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Title: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on January 31, 2006, 12:18:53 AM
About Steven Mark
           A history of The T.P.U .    (Torroidal Power Unit)
By Lindsay Mannix 2006




Have you ever had a dream? An idea that comes from within you and seems a bit crazy at first but wont go away? Perhaps you are crazy?
What if somehow you?re self imposed limitations and boundaries were lifted in a way that enabled you to do anything you really wanted to? Instead of ?I could? it was ?I must I will I can if fact I cant not!?
Reasons not to do things reasons not to believe are spirited by cynics and skeptics amongst us all over the world. We want our ideas to fit into other people?s boxes and when it doesn?t seem to it is too easy to just give up to the interests of other who really are not interested at all.
Why do we listen to their negative statements when the little voice in side us whispers ?we can?
The real question is what has a cynic or skeptic ever created other than doubt?
Instead of saying or thinking ?I doubt that? how about the possibility on the other side of doubt?  You see the very word ?doubt? contains this. Instead of doubt how about ?I do not understand that yet? or even ?I?m not ready to do that right now?.
Well my friends it is the fear inside us, which prevents that from happening.
Perhaps that fear seems rational. Quite often it really is not!
I would like to share my experience of how this works or doesn?t work? And if you will come on this journey you too I can be sure that some of the veils of your creativity may be lifted from your being. And more of your choices may be that.your choices!

I have never written a book before but this does not even fit my previous idea of what writing a book was. I consider this as a record of discovery from my perspective, and was inspired by a brilliant man whose achievements will not be forgotten.

Stories of devices like the one I am about to describe to you have been told before. The difference with this particular one is that as of January 2006 the device, the technology, the inventor, and most of those involved are still with us. You will be told of what amounts to a scam, real people have lost money here and many more may do so unless this story is understood. You will hear about personal attacks from people who would seem to have no reason to do so. You may also be schooled in the technology that could change how we live.

Histories going back 100 years reveals several inventors who have made these devices operate but for seemingly unknown reasons they have never succeeded in a way that allowed them to become useful in peoples everyday lives.

We are not talking about microwave ovens, dishwashers, computers, water treatment processes, medical practices and many other wonderful inventions of last century, which are useful and vital parts of our modern world. What we are focusing on is inventions relating to energy generation and specifically technology that has the effect of reducing oil and coal consumption throughout the world. You may think that the oil companies are just out to control everything in our lives. Let?s find out!

I can hear it now ?conspiracy theory!? another crackpot with tall poppy syndrome another loser who wants to justify his lack of material wealth by pointing at those who seem to have more. All I can say at this stage is hear me out, absorb what you can and please do not try to categorize this tale just yet .If you can bear with me you may see that it is the way that we too quickly make assumptions that prevent new ideas and concepts like the one that is revealed here from fitting into our world.

By ?our? world I really mean your world. Every body lives in their own different world, the one that they have created for themselves or happily allow others to structure for them. There is no judgment here it is just that we all cannot help but want things to fit into what we already know and this works for us in most situations.basic survival it is why a child can learn most things more quickly than an adult. It works and I?m not knocking it. But please identify this anomaly in your self and others to understand how our good friend ?experience? can play tricks on us. Other wise put this down now as another crack pot and read something more appealing to you. I suggest ?new idea? or ?who?.

Many people, at different times in their lives get the inspiration and an ability to create something unique something that means a lot to them and feels good. The arts are the best example of this creativity manifesting into something that many others can share, reject or analyze.  Have you ever sat down to paint something, gone to do some creative gardening, started to write a book, really whatever you really like to do and find that you just can?t seem to get into it?
Have you ever found your self-doing your best work really easily and getting results that amaze you and others and you just say, ?it was nothing really?. And you are not being polite.

Trades people suffer the same Inspiration and even TV repairmen get a bit frisky at times!

I do not apologize for approaching the subject matter indirectly here, as the understanding that I will attempt to reveal to you requires that I explain the social and interpersonal relevance of new discovery. A discovery that if we allow it to will make our world a better place. Without this the story will not be of any real use, if this is already in your present understanding then just bear with me as many others may not understand, in fact if you are not with me so far please go back and read slower. As this is a large part of the reasoning that prevents inventions such as this from entering mainstream use.

The device that I am revealing is by Steven Mark who invented it in the late eighties it generates electricity without the use of fuel, as we know it. This is not a Technical manual and I am not an engineer but Engineers reports are here for you to peruse. Anomalies that are used and exploited by Steven Mark will be explained in the hope that his technology will not fade into another money pit. 

Bullshit lies crackpot are common reactions to any free energy  ?claim? because right at this point that is all it is to you. Put this down now..If you feel that you are being misled already then what follows is surely not for you. But if you imagine that it might be possible that somebody has, in our recent times had the tenacity skill and inspiration to look into something and create a result that defies current science as we are told to understand it please, with out assumption read on.

To begin with lets get the terminology right these are not strictly FREE ENERGY devices they are CONVERSION devices, which tune to the earths magnetic field and extract useful energy from it. 


Since the early 80?s I ran my own Communication and Television repair shop. Never making a fortune and never wanting one. Happily challenged on a daily basis with nutting out the faults and repairing them. Occasionally putting technology together for new things..Windsurfing timing systems. Irrigation remote control. Radio communications systems that used ?unsound engineering practices? .Two kids a mortgage..Life was challenging but simple I was happy if a bit stressed by customer?s expectations.
 
1n 1996 my life changed. A friend of mine rang me and asked if it was possible to extract energy from the earth?s magnetic field.
My answer was that no body has done it but nothing is impossible. I had never seen an electron and never tuned to the earths magnetism. Sure we use electromagnetism for all sorts of things every electronic device uses it in some way, we even transmit it over long distances but as far as I knew there was only enough energy to turn a compass needle and it seemed static, in other words it didn?t keep turning the needle. I was curious
 
He then told me of a person named Brian Collins and how he had invented a device which could generate electricity with nothing more than wire from the hardware shop. My curiosity was aroused so I had a look around the Internet and discovered that over the last hundred years or so a few people seemed to have achieved this in some way. Tesla Cohler, Hendershot, Searl to name a few. Many other mathematician types could mathematically prove that it could be done but as I am not a mathematician it all looked like Chinese to me. Tom Beardon is worth a look if you like maths.
 
At this point I asked my friend to find out more ..
 
Apparently selected investors would forward $10,000 us and go on a trip to the usa to view the ?Collins generator?.
 
Brian Collins was the inventor of a unique engine dubbed the Collins engine, which did seem to have real fuel saving advantages. His engine is another story but of importance here is that he truly had a history of being a successful inventor.

I contacted Brian Collins by phone and spoke with him at length. My curiosity was insatiable and I asked him many questions but it became obvious to me that he did not know how it worked.  Well I didn?t know how it worked either so how could I say that he didn?t know? This was quite different than somebody not wanting to reveal the secret .He seemed to be suffering from some form of delusion He quite clearly and coherently explained to me that he was working in gods name. He saw himself as the modern version of ?Moses? ..In fact he suggested that it was his new nickname that his ?friends? could use.
Basically people who wanted to follow Moses into the new world could be allowed invest in ?his? invention that he would reveal to the world when it was ready for such things.
In retrospect there was some relevance to that!
 
I advised my friend not to invest money in this, as something was not right here.
My curiosity for the device however, was elevated.
If this was real then no money could possibly be enough to pay for it in the light of how much oil it would save. 

It reminded me of a scene in a movie where a wealthy sheik asked a mother ?how much for your children??
 
A few months later the same friend came to me and showed me a video of the device running with a well-spoken person called Steven doing the demonstration he seemed a gentle and patient person revealing the operation of the device as he understood it and a few things that were un finished about it. There were two devices demonstrated one was about 100 mm in diameter the other about 450mm .The small device generated a few hundred watts and the larger device 1 kilowatt.

Throughout the demonstration Brian Collins displayed incoherence and a complete lack of common sense. It was embarrassing to hear his explanations. Steven on the other hand was compliant and communicative. Of importance here is that the video was not at all ?professional? just somebody holding a cheap cameras as still as they could with no camera skills. Lots of blurry zooms and shakes you know the stuff! However the video was continuous and showed that something that would seem impossible was happening here.
 
I was 99% sure that the device was real and 100% sure that Brian Collins knew almost nothing about it. 
All the investors must have realized by now  that Brian was clearly not the inventor.

I kept the video and watched it over and over. I contacted other people who I learned were investors  whom I will not name unless they agree, and a few other who?s names escape me at this time and they were all very closed mouthed about it because they felt that they had lost money with Brian. They even considered that the whole thing might be a trick. My interest was not in money and, as they did not, and could not understand this I must have put them offside so to speak. All I wanted was to know what was happening with the device?  How did it work? I knew that a money scheme would not work here and how do I contact Steve Marks? I did not care that Brian Collins fell on his sword, only that there was a real device in existence and it should not be allowed to disappear like the others had over the years. They did not want me to contact Steven but they did want to know if I could make free power for them. Their only interest was the money that they could have made ?a part of me despised them. Perhaps they were ashamed?

I then started to examine the possibility that the whole thing was a fraud so that I could put my mind at rest. I started using radio transmitters and microwave oven magnetrons to duplicate the effect and put the whole thing to bed. But I was unable to achieve anything even nearly like the video demo It was really hard work and risky at times for the techs out there it would have to have been a 50 kilowatt transmitter to do it and even with 2 kilowatts there were adverse reactions (sparks and burnouts) all over the place.

I found it amazing that most all of my colleagues said it was a scam but when witnessing my attempts to prove it fail they were still in ?scam mode? after all we were never taught that you could tune to the earths field so I was considered WHAKO. Even the people who could possibly help solve this riddle saw no challenge in it. I wasn?t lonely but I really felt isolated and alone.
 
The Sunday paper here in Perth ran a story with ?Miracle generator scam catches fools?. and so on.
Professor x from uni z says that it is impossible. Conservation of energy law etc..So fools and their money ?. You get the picture.
I contacted the journalist involved and asked if he would care to investigate further and discover how the so-called scam was done. But he wasn?t interested, ?people lost money, the professor at the university which you have never attended say that its impossible ?go away you stupid dreamer?. %%%%!!!!
 
?But this is too important to pass of ?what if it is real??
?Let somebody else do it ..Vie got work to do?.
?I thought a real journalist would be curious why not look harder??
?A real Electronics Man should know better ..Go away?

You get the picture.
I wondered how the real inventor must have felt over the years.
But I was beginning to understand a part of human nature that I was unready to accept as I had expected that every body lived in ?my? world.

The next few years I spent on Internet sites, which were full of people who experimented with free energy. Many intelligent people were glad to offer whatever help they could to discover something. While most seemed well meaning there was a surprising number of people who really did not even know how to read a multimeter the most common ones included motors driving generators offering very small measure power gains over very long periods. I built some of these with some success but no real usable power. Basically they were pulse battery chargers and if you got the pulse just right you would see unexplainable power gain. At times!

Every time I offered my experiences with what became known, as the marks device the scam story would emerge over and over again. I would say but does any body know how the scam was done? Silence
Batteries somebody well meaning said?but batteries cannot do that?that?s because he has a special switching circuit that flattens the batteries more than any body else can?oh really how does he do that?dunno but he?s a scamster and a child molester so don?t deal with him?. how can I contact him? Dunno but we are not interested in any body like that and if he?s not prepared to show everybody then it just proves that it?s a scam.

The whole thing was soul destroying to me a bit like unrequited love.
Inspired by the achievements of this mystery person whom I would probably never meet I began to think that I better apply my self to my dream after all they all thought that I was crazy any way!
Since childhood I always felt a motorcycle could fly ..In fact it could be a very good airplane and the safety of these super fast machines on the ground was clearly something to consider.
So with the knowledge that anything was possible it was really only myself preventing me from playing my own hand. Thanks Steven the ghost!
For the next few years my efforts went into building the ?skybike?
And in 1999 I flew the first Honda CBR900

Around this time Brian Collins Passed away

It may seem reasonable to many that the motorcycle manufacturers would be begging to use something like this to market their products but let me assure you that they were all skeptical to say the least and it seemed that because they hadn?t though of it then I must be given a wide berth because who would do such a dangerous thing?
As it turned out that was not the reason The real reason was that their business is structured around the whiz bang marketing that they already have and the bottom line is that everybody with whom I spoke was working with in the bottom line which was transporting boxes of machinery to destinations and earning their wages as dictated by the business that developed over years. Flying motorbikes just did not fit that picture!
 


After a few years of this with no success as to finding Steve Mark I made a digital version of the tape that I had and posted on the net.
This created some additional interest and somebody else posted some earlier demos of the same type of devices with Steven Mark showing the process.
Now I really knew that this was the real thing and Steve was obviously the real inventor. but why was nobody else interested when it was clearly the best thing and the most recent thing on the net? Was I the only one who could see it?

The scam stories started again, as did the molester stories people who used to seem dedicated to research would cut and paste anything derogatory about him true or not but not spend any time examining the technology demonstrated. Did they all work for the oil companies? I was getting very cynical about peoples motives and wondered how the most brilliant guy was being defamed because he showed his technology to some people who really had no hope of selling it in their own name.
I felt like a traitor to the person I most respected for posting the first video on the net. Somebody that I hadn?t even met but felt for emotionally even though I was interested in the discovery myself. In all the postings on him there were only 3 or 4 who were really interested in the process of how did this work. The rest seemed happy to bag him and follow others who did not even know how to use a simple multimeter.
So you see that many people become their own enemies by using money and morality to gauge something that is surely neither but world changing.

Then I finally made contact with Steve, who recalled it very much like I had ,
Here are the first few emails. Please do not attack this man who has succeeded in what most us us only dream about.. If you only want to knock him all over again then that will surely not be appropriate for such a brilliant mind as his.

Steven,
Thank you for your response. I aploagise for not answering sooner
I have been away for a few days working on our rail communications system.
 To me this is very important as I have spent the last five years of spare time wondering wether magnetic fields poses inertia. Deep down I knew that the operation of your device was valid and after watching one of your early videos it was obvious that this was certainly real.
 
From time to time I have shown this to "technical" people and asked what they thought and wether it was possible and I learned that perhaps i was crazy to believe in something that i should know better of.
My trade is in electronics !
What I really learned was that people cant help but be  so very closed minded about anything new . a good video which demonstrates this is "what the bleep do we really know" I hope you have seen it.
Any way, after type testing the sky bike I learned something else..something that I wasn't ready for and that is the way money clouds and fights discovery I really believe that what you have discovered is priceless. My admiration for you as a discoverer is unquestionable, but I also know that it could not have been money that motivated you to discover this.
 
I  think that your story is an important part of making this technology a part of peoples lives and I completely understand how the greedy money scammers cloud this, the most important validation of all.
 
Technically I have found no body who accepts the possibility that this works so in that regard I am alone with you....
If you google me you will see many posts on the quack sites saying here it is.. this going back 5 years
Let's talk more soon.. Thank you again
 
Lindsay Mannix

Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. Thank you for your letter.
I did not know that my letter was posted on his web site.  Usually my letters and reports about the technology are never posted anywhere.Or if they do get posted they disappear suddenly.
There has been a concerted effort to eliminate anything I may have to say and to discount the validity of the technology.This is done by attacking me rather then the demonstration as viewed in the video tapes.  That is because most of the demonstrations I gave were to engineers and scientists who confirmed the validity of the power generated by my technology. Lay people do not understand just how difficult if not impossible it would be to fake what is shown in the video tapes of the demonstrations.
The video tapes were made with permission to record the historical events as they unfolded. However, some very misguided people took them and used them for evil. Now that the video tapes are everywhere people have been trying to claim they are the inventor or know the inventor etc. Be assured that I have no associates except the those involved with the corporation owning the technology and with Paul Stemm who has been involved with the project longer then anyone else.
It is interesting that when we started to demonstrate the technology no one believed that something so small could generate so much useable power. So they hired engineers and other technical people to confirm that indeed the units did output the energy as viewed in the demonstration. Since no one could discount the demonstrations of power, over time they started to discount the validity of the technology by defaming me.
At first we did not understand this. Why would people who did not see the demonstration or have never met with me, go out of their way to create lies and post them on web sites devoted to furthering alternative energy sources? After a while it became quit clear that the billion dollar oil interests have provided most of the effort to distort any potentially serious alternative to the use of fossil fuels.They even have the world governments in their pockets.
The technology is now owned by a corporation not in the United States, and so that gives me a slight leverage in discussing my situation with you.
I see that you are in Australia.
I have had several dealings with people in Australia. Some of them good and some of them bad.
There was one fellow who was claiming to be the inventor and selling 50 percent shares in his company to everyone he could find. The problem has been that everyone with a copy of the famous demonstration tapes is claming to have something to do with the technology and is usually trying to exploit it in some way.
This only helps to create additional bad publicity for the technology and certainly works for the benefit of the oil industries.
I assure you that I invented the technology over 15 years ago and that I have never personally sought money for the technology. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to achieve the demonstrated results. Therein lays the rub...
I hope to hear from you again.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
SM


So my budding researchers I ask you all again. Can any body find fraud or deception in this device?

Has any body any thing real to say against this man?

Does any body want to apologize to him?

This is the place to do it Feel free!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Tink on January 31, 2006, 02:02:14 AM
Hello Mr. Mannix,

About a year ago I saw one of the 4 movies and I thought THERE you have it!
And then came all the bad stories about him a scamartist.
I still (after one year) believe that Steven Mark has something great to give us, and I still hope that one day we will find the drawings of his device somewhere on the net.
I wish Steven Mark well.

Greetings, Tink.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on January 31, 2006, 05:15:16 PM
I agree with Tink.
Steven Marks has accomplished something very real.
It would be very hard to fake.
If there would be any hidden batteries involved he at least would have
created a very efficient inverter to upconvert any possible battery voltage
to the used outputvoltage to power the incandescant lamps.
Have again a look at the pics and the videos:

http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/ (http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/)

Is it possible to do this with just a few small hidden batteries ?
I don?t believe that.

I hope Steven Marks comes soon out of it hidden place and shows the world
how to do it...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 01, 2006, 04:28:17 AM
Many thanksfor the insight. Have to study this. thanks again.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 02, 2006, 05:43:48 AM
Have a look at these circuits:

http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/035/5/5AR4.pdf

http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/dcigna/tubes/sheets/amperex/5ar4-3g.gif
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/dcigna/tubes/sheets/amperex/5ar4-4g.gif

http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/093/5/5U4GB.pdf

Steven probably meant the phase difference between 5 Volts AC heating transformer
and main transformer.
So if you run the heating transformer out of phase or in a phase offset to the
main transformer,he might see some strange induction voltage or some kindof spike or something like this...
This is not yet clear to me.
If somebody has a good interpretition, please post it. Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 02, 2006, 06:34:51 AM
P.S:Who is this guy  Paul Stemm and what has he got to do with it ?

Does the hardware still exist like the small coil ring that could light up a 60 or 100 Watts
bulb ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 02, 2006, 07:09:58 AM
What has Reed N Huish got for material of this stuff ?
What is the? GigaBytes data composed of ? Just movies ?
=================
Reed Huish wrote:


Have 5.80 GB of data.

Agreements, documents, movies, notes, etc.? But mostly movies.

Cool stuff. But as you can see from the current video, if the date is
correct, then all of these videos are over 7 years old.? So what has
happened in the last decade?

Reed, ZPower

===========

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Hartmann [mailto:harti@harti.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:37 AM
To: reed@zpower.net
Cc: 'Sterling D. Allan'; 'doug_ZPE'; 'Alexander Frolov'; 'Mark Tomion'; 'Dr.
Steven Greer'; 'Rob_ZPE'
Subject: Re: Police Report on Steven Mark
Importance: High

Hi Reed , thanks for the info.
Well, the real question is, was it ever proved that it was a fake ?
What did all the guys find out, when they cut pieces out of the middle sized
unit ?
Were there any special batteries hidden ?

Otherwise, if they could not find any, how does this device power 875 Watts
for such a long time with this small size ?

Do you have any answer to this ?

Dave Squires and his group is working on simular projects with magnetic
cores, etc and they also have some effects, which still needs to be scaled
up.

So maybe Marks was silenced with Money or was bought out by the millitary
black projects....who knows...

Maybe you could upload some more data to this FTP site, if I give you the
password ?
Especially the notes and technical documents would be very interesting to
see.

Regards, Stefan.

==============
Huish replied:

Stefan,

It not proven to be REAL or not proven to be FAKE.


Unfortunately, all the documents and videos I have are sealed due to past
confidentiality agreements signed.

Reed

==========

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Hartmann [mailto:harti@harti.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:12 AM
To: reed@zpower.net

Subject: Marks documents...


Come on Reed,
you tease us over here, that you have 5.8 GB of data about it , and now you
tell us, that they are sealed ???

Well, maybe you can tell us then? at least, who these investors were, so we
can contact them and hear their story and what the raid and destroying of
one unit was all about ?

How long do these NDA agreements lasts that you signed ?
more than 7 years ?

Does Marks still live in Anaheim ?
Why not driving by and just give him a visit.
Maybe someone from my 2100 users list is living near him and just can ring
at his doorbell ?

Can you give us names of the investors who have seen it live ?
I want to contact them.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.



===============
Huish responded:

Stefan,

I don't know any investors that have seen it live.

Remember, this was over 5 years ago....

Sorry, names of the investors is confidential.

And I KEEP MY AGREEMENTS, so sorry for the tease, but I cannot give out any
further detailed information.

Reed, ZPower

===============================================

It makes me wonder, why Mr. Huish does not make available these documents after
all those years. NDAs have probably long since then ended, but Reed Huish just sits
on his 5.8 GB of data about it.....
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Tink on February 02, 2006, 06:31:23 PM
Dear Mr. Mannix,

If Steven Mark didn't want any money why all the investors?
If I wouldn't have any money for a FE invention I would give it to the world and fast.
I must say something is wrong with this picture.

Greetings, Tink.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 02, 2006, 07:12:46 PM
Hi Lindsay, I did not want to annoy or insult anybody over here.
I just wanted to let everyone know, that also some other people like
Mr.Huish fell for this disinformation crap.

So it was probably started by this guy Brian Collins, who just was in there for the
money and as always money and politics destroy good faith into a technology,
the story continued to get too big for all the persons involved.

I hope that we will soon see some more explanation from you and Steven Marks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on February 03, 2006, 03:34:16 AM
To understand your view Mr.Lindsay Mannix,there has to be explained some concrete facts.
When I visit the Keelynet-pages I have to read that this device is first introduced to public
1979 !
We have now 2006 !
There are several peoples named,also Paul Stemm as "interests-attorney",whom today ?

We can read about the Moulina-Martinez device,with same names-group-influence !

Sincerely
            de Lanca

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on February 03, 2006, 09:46:25 AM
Dont we just love talking about irrelevant stuff

I am not interested in changing your belief system but I ask what do you base it on?

Meanwhile here is Steven's Latest in depth revelation for you I'm sure he just loves going over this you...not!

It is you who believes the bullshit. And you find it easier to belive bullshit than the fact that Steven has sreally done it.

Just dont say any thing if you have no FACTS...you know like the stuff in the video and what he has revealed so far.

What you read somewhere is no fact it is just something you read somewhere now go and watch the videos and go to bed!

Keep up 





Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well. I have read the postings on the site. I am again saddened by the things some people say.
I tell you categorically, I have never met any of these people who claim to have met with me or seen a demonstration. Raymond Dale is someone I have actually tried to contact many times in the past to ask why he maintains disinformation. He never answered anyone who has inquired as far as I know.
I even sent him the facts concerning the disinformation he posted on his site.
Some of the lies posted about me are that I was born in Pennsylvania on such and such a date and I now live in Anaheim at some address on Humming Bird Lane etc.
The fact is that according to Pennsylvania state records, no one named Steven Marks or any possible derivation of that name, was ever born on or around that date. Obviously that information was just made up.
Also, the address was also made up by someone. According to the US postal service and the Anaheim police department there is no such address in existence in the city of Anaheim.
After proving these two main statements false I went on to prove virtually everything was made up as a lie, Dale did nothing. He didn't remove the lies or even post my response. I find that very suspect.   All these years I have been supposedly conning people out of their money and yet I haven't been arrested? In fact why is it that there is not one single police report with my name on it? Surely you would agree that if these people were really conned out of any money at all,  they would have run screaming to the authorities, right? However, if you check with public records you will find that there has never been one single complaint concerning me in any way. Even people who invested money with the enterprising Brian Collins admit that they never once met with me, or that if they did meet with me in fact I never once asked them for money. My job was to demonstrate the technology to technical people who were to report about the validity of the device. Not one single scientist or engineer ever left a demonstration claiming the demonstration was a fake. I think the eminent Dr. Schinzinger's report is conclusive and definitive that I did not fake the demonstration. He would be an absolute authority on the subject of electrical generation and he was interested enough in the technology to suggest that he be permitted to work on it with me.
I believe people like to say sensational things. They like the feeling of making up things they know nothing about and convincing others they have some importance.
I have never asked anyone for money. I never met any of the people who have recently written to the web site. And why for God's sake would I drive up to a demonstration in a Rolls Royce if I was a con man trying to milk money out of people? That is just foolish talk.
They are lying for some personal devious purpose. I assume that they are mentally ill, I do not know. Why is it that no one who claims to have met with me can agree on my name. Is it Steven Marks, Stephen Marks, Marx, Mark etc. I would think that if these people actually met with me and saw a demonstration they would remember my real name, especially if I ask them for millions of dollars. The reason they can't remember is because they were never there. Every single person who came to one of my demonstrations was checked out by a professional security organization to make sure of who they were and that they had a legitimate reason for being present. Records were kept concerning all of my demonstrations by the company owning the technology. They are still available if you are interested. All of the people posting things and claiming to have been present are simply lying. They were never there.
Now about the video tape showing the device being cut into pieces. That was a demonstration I did many years ago for two technical people. One of them was the famous Dr. Roland Schinzinger. He is the older gentleman with the gray beard you can see in the video. I cut the power unit into pieces with a jig saw myself to show once and for all that there were no batteries inside the thing and to let people know what was inside as a reference. At the end of the demonstration I gave pieces of the unit to everyone present.
However, more then anything, how can Mr. Reed or others explain to you and the readers how they know all about me or met with me at an address that doesn't even exist? These people need to check up on facts before they use  information they have seen posted on the net to propagate their own myths. In the end I believe it will only make them look foolish.
Sincerely,
SM



Have fun!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 03:35:41 PM
Hi Steven and Lindsa
y, I agree, that we should now concentrate on the technical aspect of the invention and should leave all politics and bullshit disinformation behind us.

After looking at the electron tube circuits Steven mentioned, I have a slight idea, how this resonating and backlooping and amplification of the 'kicks' works. But I am really looking forward for Steven to release more info, so we could run a few experiments to see what is going on
in a 2 transformer setup, which are out of phase.
I did not yet understand, what kind of signals he did feed into them to see these  kicks ? Maybe he can let us know. Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 03:48:23 PM
Too bad we can not ask anymore Prof. Schinzinger what his impression was about Steven?s technology, cause he died on 25th of Jan. 2004
as is written here :
http://www.schinzinger.com/index.php?page=3

Is this the Dr. Roland Schinzinger Steven Marks has mentioned ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on February 03, 2006, 03:52:03 PM
Mannix:
I watched the Marks videos many times and agree that the effect is real and that it could revolutionize our world. (at least for lighting! ;-) Anyway- to be in contact with SM is an incredible achievement- thanks for all your hard work in this.

SM seems quite down to earth and willing to help, but I have to ask why nothing has come of this wonderful discovery in all these years? I'm sure all of you agree with me that we are on the brink of global crises on the energy front.....and to have something like this buried because of greed (corporate or personal) is beyond my comprehension. Why oh why can't a construction diagram be uploaded? If it ever made it to the Net the powers that be would be helpless to stop it. What could they do- outlaw wire & magnets?

I do appreciate the tidbits of info (the many small kicks stuff) which reminds me of Tesla's resonance, or the operation of a laser. But obviously we will need more info to begin experimenting. What would happen if 100 of us had working units? Think the government could stop it then? How about 1,000? If it was on the Web there would be MILLIONS of replications within months. Mr. Marks- if you read this.....please we are begging you to release more info. My bet is the US or Israel will nuke Iran within 6 months and then the US will probably head into a recession or depression soon after. The time is now or never.

Geez.....if I could light an LED with this technology I'd be ecstatic! How bout you guys?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 04:05:54 PM
Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on February 03, 2006, 04:51:48 PM
If I was being threatened by the "Men in Black" over an invention I would go public via the web with the threats AND the invention! How dare they squelch important discoveries! Good thing they were not around to stop Tesla designing our AC system or we'd probably be in the Dark Ages with Edison's pathetic DC. But they obviously were around to kill his later discoveries....What a bunch of crap. And here we sit with hot soldering irons begging for the missing puzzle pieces. This discovery would be worth any sacrifice to release to the Web....and if they did kill off the inventor the World would know about it. If Stanley Meyers would have given us the secret to his electrolosizer we all would be driving water cars now....sigh.
 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 03, 2006, 05:42:15 PM
Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?

@hartiberlin

SM ?u?erte etwas von mehrfachen frequenzen und einem leichten kurzzeitig erh?hten elektronenflu? am Anfang (also beim Einschalten) in einem Leiter. Aus seinen Aussagen konnte ich aber nicht schlie?en das das etwas mit Elektronenr?hren zu tun hat.

Insgesamt erinnert mich das ganze an den HOPE-Generator von Buschwalker! M?glicherweise sind viele Einzelspulen, aber immer sch?n voneinander getrennt und nicht ?bereinandergewickelt, auf dem Toroid untergebracht, die dann in 3einer bestimmten Anordnung miteinander verbunden werden m?ssen. Na ja, ist nur mal so ein gedanke. Ich Hoffe ja auch das SM noch ein bisschen mehr aus dem N?hk?stchen plaudert. Ich halte es aber auch f?r besser wenn nicht einfach nur ein fertiger Plan hineingestellt wird. Die Leute sollen sich selber auch ein bischen Gedanken machen wie soetwas funktionieren kann.

MfG
rensseak
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on February 03, 2006, 05:55:57 PM
Anyone seen the new "Nuts & Volts"? Has a neat article on magnetic amplifiers....(like a tube or a transistor, cept can handle much higher currents) uses an iron core, ferrite toroid, and coils. Thought it kinda fit in this thread.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 06:39:17 PM
Look here for the magnetic amplifier picture:

http://www.nutsvolts.com/toc_Pages/feb06toc.htm
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 06:42:54 PM
yes, maybe he is pulsing 2 transformers which are out of phase with short pulses with different frequency bursts
this way, that these "kicks" or pulse output voltage superimpose and then feeds these back from the
secondary to the primary in some way, so that it again gives a feedback loopwhich resonantes and builds
up an oscillation.
I just wonder, when he says, he taps the magnetic field of the earth, why he does
not tap the magnetic field of a permanent magnet ? This would be a much stronger
field to be tapped... hmm...maybe he also used magnets inside his devices to get
more output....

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on February 03, 2006, 08:00:57 PM
If I remember the video, wasn't a small magnet used to "start up" the coil?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mpav on February 03, 2006, 08:14:18 PM
This all sounds very similar to Tesla's magic car setup described over in Keely.net. ?The only way we will ever be able to get this technology into production is that we publish the plans far and wide...and make them simple and cheap enough for the basic end-user to use.

In a world where such a device would potentially destroy millions of jobs in one of the most important industries in the G-7, where it could potentially equalize all other countries to the same living standards enjoyed by the G-7....you can understand that the powers that provide money would not be interested in producing such a device. ?It will be up to the thousands of individual inventors to bring this device to their neighborhood, farms, cities. ?Step by step it will take its place in people's lives and at a critical mass point, they will no longer be able to stop, hide, or destroy this technology.

I am confident that Marks device is not a hoax...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mpav on February 03, 2006, 08:18:39 PM
You are correct about a magnet being used to turn on the smalll coil... as he mentioned in his video at the following address:

http://harti.com/coil/coilnew01.avi
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: IcyBlue on February 03, 2006, 08:51:09 PM
Look here for the magnetic amplifier picture:
http://www.nutsvolts.com/toc_Pages/feb06toc.htm
Here is a explanation of how such things work. Quite interesting stuff: http://avstop.com/AC/apgeneral/MAGNETICAMPLIFIERS.html
It's the magnetic counterpart to the vacuum tube. Somehow this concept reminds me of the MEG or the Coler generator - if you replace the DC winding by a permanent magnet made of the right material. A similar setup can also and has been used as frequency doubler; but I don't have the link at hand at the moment.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 08:59:45 PM
Steven told us:
Quote
"In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
Even today you can find examples of discussion of this fact even in non scientific journals.
If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that."

Can anyone think of an experiment to show this kick ?
I have played with lots of coils and the only short kick I have seen, when you
switch a powersupply across a coil is, that in the first new nanoseconds the voltage charges
up the coil?s capacitance and thus a very sharp big current spike is flowing into the coil to
charge up its stray capacitance. But this is just only a very short pulse.

The normal current in a R L circuit after the stray capacitance chargeup is defined by:
i(t)=Imax x (1 -e(^-L/Rxt ))


If we have a permanent magnet field inside the coil from a permanent magnet
or from the earth, what will happen to the current then ?

Probably due to the Lentz law effect the current will rise slower as in the above formular ? Or am I wrong ?
To my understanding this will even slow down the current and not produce a kick..
Or am I wrong with that ?

Or does Steven use the stray capacitance chargeup current "jump-kick" to base his devices on ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 09:12:43 PM
Quote
"If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the >filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick."


Has anybody got this book and please can quote the whole paragraph, so we can read some more about this effect ?
Thanks !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 09:23:25 PM
Quote

Can anyone think of an experiment to show this kick ?
I have played with lots of coils and the only short kick I have seen, when you
switch a powersupply across a coil is, that in the first new nanoseconds the voltage charges
up the coil?s capacitance and thus a very sharp big current spike is flowing into the coil to
charge up its stray capacitance. But this is just only a very short pulse.



I actually never tested,if this stray capacitance chargeup spike-current
is able to be transformed to the secondary of a transformer secondary coil...?
Hmm...
maybe if we have a transformer and we switch on the primary coil
only for less than 1 millisecond onto a DC powersupply, the
stray capacitance chargeup current spike will be transformed into the
secondary coil of the transformer and also produce there a bigger current spike ("kick") ?
Maybe this current can then via a second transformer be fed back to the first
primary coil and do a feedback loop and thus you only need a small Voltage kick to start it up ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 09:48:21 PM
Does anyone have this book ?

http://www.powells.com/biblio/4-0750656948-0

Please quote the whole paragraph mentioned.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on February 04, 2006, 12:25:59 AM
Here's a link to the table of contents and the index of that book. Wouldn't it be wild if we could do OU with a tube design? :-)


http://www.amazon.ca/gp/reader/0750656948/ref=sib_dp_pt/702-0020475-1077648#reader-page
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 04, 2006, 12:41:26 AM
Maybe someone scan in the pages from the transfomer section and post it here as a PDF File ?
Or is there somewhere an Ebook available from it ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on February 04, 2006, 05:46:47 AM
That the stuff!

Now here is some more of what Steven has explained to me.
I have taken some personl stuff out so that we can keep relevant here

Excuse the typos  Mine as well !




Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. I have a moment to write you and thought I would do so.
Something that has always bothered me is a statement that was made to me by a gentleman who is the head of a security firm here in the US.
He used to keep track of all the postings on the Internet concerning alternative energy developments.
He mentioned that in almost every other circumstance where a technology has been displayed or discussed, it is usually the demonstration that is discredited. An example would be -- look at all the wires going over the table. They must go to some hidden power source, etc.
However, he mentioned to me that in the case of my technology no one has ever managed to create a credible argument that my technology demonstration was faked.  That is why he believes there has been a concerted effort to attack me personally. Some statements trying to discredit the technology were made by what appears to be nit wits and are easily recognized. The following for example:
The inventor claims that the output of the unit is high voltage DC with a frequency component of around 5k Hz.
Then the person trying to discredit me goes on to say that I am trying to fool people because you can't have DC and AC together, etc.
My dear Lindsay, there is something more sinister about some of the simple statements that have been made about my comments on the video tape.
That one statement and others like it were all over the place for while. It appeared as though the person writing it felt it was very important to get his viewpoint across to as many interested people as he could.
Why would that person keep harping about the frequencies not being possible within a DC output power?
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v  300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
My security man tried to contact the person at his email addresses but with no response. In his opinion it does not seem logical that someone so energetically trying to disprove the validity of my technology would simply never answer any of his e-mail inquires.
What I am trying to say here is that believe I am not the only person who knows about the reality of the technology. There are others who know it can be done and have a desire to see to it that it's application is delayed for as long as possible.
Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand". I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it. In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!
On to another point.
HE said that one day in his laboratory he was noticing that there were some reactions on his magnetometer for no reason he could understand. The next day he had many magnetometers brought into his laboratory and he began additional research. He found that the measurement of the earth's magnetic field was fairly straightforward. You have a device, which measures a very small magnetic force which comes from the generation of magnetic waves as the big iron ball we call the earth rotates. If you look at a scientific display of the earth you see that it resembles a big power generator. It has poles, a magnetic field, rotation, everything.
Now I am you know that anytime you have a magnetic field moving past a wire you have electron flow in that wire or more precisely on the surface.
So the earth is generating the most unbelievably huge amount of power all the time and we can't tap into it?! I don't believe it!  Neither did Nicola Tesla.
He found a way to tap into the earth's power potential and he demonstrated it often.
 Did you know that every single one of his patents was purchased by Edison and Westinghouse? He had a very large amount of patents and they purchased all of them but only utilized one for transmitting electric power via 60 cycle AC and step down transformers, which became the standard of power transmission throughout the earth to this day.
Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory. He noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. however one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably.  It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn't it?
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless. 
He was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow. That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere.
Please let me make another point.
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
 So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
    Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large useable amounts of power.
By the way, when I met with Dr. Schinzinger many years ago we discussed a point you may find invaluable in your thought processes.
Did you know Lindsay, that it is a scientific impossibility to play a vinyl record with a diamond needle?  Well it is. Science tells us that if you were to use a diamond, the hardest natural substance to play the soft groves of a vinyl record you would destroy the record with just one playing, but, as you know that is not the case. They have made millions and millions of vinyl records and people used millions of turntables equipped with diamond needles to play them repeatedly over and over again. How could something that could not possible survive one playing continually be played over and over again?
Science can not explain this. I say that if you run a diamond across a plate of glass you will invariably make a serious scratch in it with very little force, but if you play a vinyl record there is no damage or at least very little discernable wear. Something to think about, isn't it?
The reason the diamond needle phenomenon exists today is because of ignorance. You see when they started making grooved records back in the beginning of this last century they were using cactus needles to play the records. The cactus needles would wear down and need to be sharpened. So enterprising young men came up with steel needles. Unfortunately, they too would wear down and need to be sharpened. Eventually these enterprising men continued to use harder and harder materials eventually arriving at diamond to make their playing needles -- about the hardest thing they could come up with. They didn't know that according to science only one playing of the shellac disk would destroy it. They didn't know so they just kept on making and selling diamond needles for not only shellac disks but the new soft vinyl ones as well..
Trial and error is the best way to make new discoveries. If we rely completely on what we are told by scientists and engineers we will never make any relevant discoveries because we are told not to try, that they are impossible.
Lindsay, I hope that you got something out of all this. I am very tired now and I have to go. I will talk to you again.
Next time I will try not to be all over the page. It is just that I have so much information to convey. It is more important that I get you to understand the concept more then anything else I could convey to you. I am sorry.
Sincerely,
SM


Please Digest this carefully Guys I took me 3 days..and nights to see the significance of all this
Have fun!

Lindsay Mannix
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: IcyBlue on February 04, 2006, 11:15:41 AM
Quote
[...]Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless. [...] He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves.[...]
we do not need to go into wild guesses about natural occuring electric and magnetic currents anymore because, compared with tesla, we have the advance that we can simply meassure and display them. All you need to do is buildung a VLF receiver and feed the signal to a spectrum analyzer. We don't need to speculate about large magnetic waves, because if there are any, we would see them in the frequency plot. See www.vlf.it for more details.

Attached is an example, showing the earth schumann resonances (the strong line is the power distribution system frequency of 50Hz). Natural activity is undenieable present, but very weak, compared with the manmade noises.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 04, 2006, 03:46:28 PM
I agree, the thunderstorm magnetic waves output is very low, if you are miles away... so this is probably not the power source for Steven?s devices. Also it is  very uncommon, that his output ceases, when he turns the device by 180 degrees and not by 90 degrees, thus I also don?t believe, that it is really powered by the weak magnetic field of the earth ...hmm, maybe he is just tapping the permanent magnet and cools down the core and magnet..but then, why does the output decrease when turned by 180 degrees and not by 90 degrees, which could be more normal...?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 04, 2006, 05:23:18 PM
Maybe Steven can just post an experiment we could try to see his effect ? This would take all the guessing out of this thread and we could move on to verify the effect. It must not be the actual device circuit, but just an experiment, which proves the concept and where one could clearly measure some positive results....
Many thanks.
Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 04, 2006, 07:12:47 PM
\"If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.\"


What is the meaning of \"find the circuit potential\"?


maybe all posible free  electrons in a wire of x inch?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 04, 2006, 08:43:46 PM
Maybe Steven can just post an experiment we could try to see his effect ? This would take all the guessing out of this thread and we could move on to verify the effect. It must not be the actual device circuit, but just an experiment, which proves the concept and where one could clearly measure some positive results....
Many thanks.
Stefan.


Hallo hartiberlin,

schon mal das hier gelesen?

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm (http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm)

MfG
rensseak
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Tink on February 04, 2006, 10:44:03 PM
Hello all,

Have a look at this site with Cook coil generator.
Okay okay, it did not seem to work for Mr. Randall and to be honest I never got it to work either.
But all the same,....have a look:
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm

Just my two pennies.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Tink on February 04, 2006, 11:06:22 PM
Hello again,

An other thing to ponder about,...the Emery coil !
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm

The thing is; dc from coils, and things happening that should not happen (the diamond needle)

Just another two cents.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 05, 2006, 05:12:37 PM
Just a short note of appreciation to "SM" and Lindsay.  There are probably many more such as myself soaking in this great information.   I'm an outdated wanna-be electronics tech that does not remember much so the simplistic teaching style is great  Please keep-up the good work!

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Kator01 on February 05, 2006, 08:03:10 PM
Hello,

looking at this I miss the exact description of how the coil is wound. Does anyone have a diagramm of this
coil ?

Kator
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 05, 2006, 08:49:31 PM
No circuits or diagrams, he seems to be teaching something much better.....the concept.

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mpav on February 06, 2006, 04:07:13 AM
So does this patent application basically describe this device... or is Steven's device something different.

http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_CH/.cmd/ad/.ar/sa.getBib/.c/6_0_69/.ce/7_0_1ET/.p/5_0_18L/.d/2?selectedTab=ifwtab&isSubmitted=isSubmitted&dosnum=10091863
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 06, 2006, 05:50:59 PM
This may be presumptious, but I'm fairly certain SM's Power Ring and Perrigo's Accumulator have much in common.

http://rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig~1.htm

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 06, 2006, 08:26:52 PM
Hello again,

An other thing to ponder about,...the Emery coil !
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm

The thing is; dc from coils, and things happening that should not happen (the diamond needle)

Just another two cents.

This is probably just a measurement error.
If you see, that the small meter is just reflected to6 amps
as he puts it up onto the core, the core magnetism is probably
just deflecting the needle of this small ampmeter.
The lighting of the bulb comes from mechanically removing the magnetized
iron core from the rest of the core and thereby inducing current into the coils
via induction.
It is like opening the core with  a permanent magnet.
I am sure the rest is measurement errorsas he also
never tried it with a digital ampmeter to prove it ?!

I think this does not resemble the Marks devices !
Regards, stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 06, 2006, 08:32:49 PM
Hello all,

Have a look at this site with Cook coil generator.
Okay okay, it did not seem to work for Mr. Randall and to be honest I never got it to work either.
But all the same,....have a look:
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm

Just my two pennies.


Yes, maybe the Marks device is something simular to this,
who knows..
Maybe Steven got something towork, which Randall did not get to work ?

As Steven posted, it must be very special components and the circuits
are dangerous to experiment with cause High Voltage is involved it will
be much better, if he would send us an example, how to see the basic effect
in an experiment, so that if the effect is seen by independent researchers we can
build up onto this and design our own scaled up version to extract useful output.

But we first have to see the real effect in an experiment. All posted until now
is too vague to begin experimenting. So Steven, if you read this, maybe you
can point us into the right direction, so some can start experimenting.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on February 06, 2006, 09:49:50 PM
Recitation from Jim Rendalls Cook-coil page:"I have not built this."

Anything what is not build can not be approved !

Sincerely
? ? ? ? ? ? de Lanca

p.s.:very ridiculous the use of the GB151309(Parfitt) as reference for the Molina-Martinez device !
Meyer-Mace(FR2680613),Zielinski(WO) or Yebda(FR2809241) would be a better explaination !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 06, 2006, 10:20:35 PM
Maybe someone who owns the book can scan in the pages from the Valve tubes book and post it over here ?
So we would have an example of what it says.
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on February 07, 2006, 07:32:18 AM
Hi all,

Please be patient and read this very carefully

Please do not make assumptions but realise that this is the results of your interest

Steven has been aprehensive anout every body building things before understanding them
I know that it is double edged
Lindsay Mannix

Dearest Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. I have read you latest letter.
What Web site went down?
 
I am sorry that you had the experience with your associates in your workplace, but I have found that to be basic human nature, unfortunately. it is a shame really. However, your personal experience gives you an understanding of all the problems I have had to face in my life.
I hope to come to meet with you one day if Paul will permit.
Thank you for the song. I can not download to the PC here, however i did load it on to a magzip and will enjoy it when I can get to a private PC.
 
You mention that you find the inertial effects of my technology as being interesting to you. All I can say is, MY GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA JUST HOW INTERESTING!!! 
Do you remember our brief discussion about if it could provide a motive force?
I am not sure if I should comment more at this time. It is not that I am apprehensive about you, it is that I am pleased with what we have managed to get away with so far without intervention by higher sources. So why tempt them too much.
I have read more of Stefan's web site postings about my technology and I can see much good coming from it all.
Some of them are almost right on.
You have not posted all of my letters to you?
Have you posted some of the engineers reports I sent to you?
Did I send you Dr. Schinzinger first report?
Let me know your thoughts?
 
I would like to answer a few questions I have read on Stefan's web site..
I would like to mention Stefan and Freedom fuel and Bushwacker and Mica individually but instead I will just make statements that can be relevant to whomever as needed.
First of all:
1    There are several parts of the power unit which have patents. Remember that the power unit technology is owned by the UEC corporation and I have to be very careful about not stepping on their toes. I am not afraid of them or anything like that. It is just that they are the legitimate owners of the patents and most of the research ect. I would not like to break my trust with them.
However, I can, and will give to all of you as much information as I can. I believe that I will be able to give you enough information to begin research on your own. I just have to pass it in front of my attorney first so I do not get myself into trouble, that's all.
2    I will in time give out a basic Hardware diagram which you may find helpful.
3    No I will not publish a schematic diagram of the control circuit. It is proprietary information owned and controlled by the UEC corporation, so I won't go there.
4    I will tell you about my initial experiments and what Electron tube circuits I used to control the frequencies that gave us our significant breakthroughs way back when.
5    Yes, Stefan I do intend to point you in the right direction. You deserve at least that much for all of the good effort you have put forth for so long. And especially your kindness to me.
6    About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!
7    The patents are in several segments pertaining only to the control units not the collector coil itself, so I will send you examples of the hardware diagrams. however, I do not have access to a PC at all times so it will take some time for me to be able to scan things and send them off, be patient please. Also I am not spending all my time sitting in front of a PC reading and sending. I must travel to a public place in order to safely send any information at all.
8    YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors..  Study the strange factors.
9    Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things. But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power unit.
10    We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was called, the Magnetic shadow casting material? No it wasn't some kind of paint. But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet! We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments. I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit.
11    Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?
they are not . . .they can't be.
12    Who ever it was that said there might be possibly military applications for this technology is a very wise man. We believe that is probably the primary government interest followed by the ever popular oil industry trying to stop it.
13    I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However, they do look like it. And some of what you said is not far off at all.
14    Both Freedomfuel and bushwacker have good and relevant points.
15    Yes there is an inertia.
16    Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on. Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect. They seam to resist being moved through the air. When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced. Some of you should think about that.
17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM
 
 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on February 07, 2006, 07:41:45 AM
ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD.
 

Report on Test of Energy Device
 
At the request of Mr. Richard Mincherton I was present on October 28th at a test demonstration of a device that its inventor claims will produce electric power without measurable energy input except as derived from the earth'? magnetic and gravitational fields. The test was conducted at the inventor's home. I was allowed to bring and use measuring instruments, but because the inventor had to leave after
1 ? hours, I was not able to conduct independent tests on my own.
 
Based on my observations, I can attest to the fact that the three models of the device displayed and tested on that day did indeed light up one, two and six light bulbs (each rated at 100 watt and 120 volt) respectively. This was less then the figures quoted to me before the test, but still adequate to demonstrate that the devices function in some fashion. The smallest unit produced 140 to 150 volts unloaded and 60 to 90 volts when lighting one 100-watt bulb.
The mid-sized unit produced 250 volts unloaded,
and was observed producing
142 Volts at .5 Ampere after 30 minutes of lighting two bulbs.
The largest unit produced 798 Volts unloaded. With a six-bulb load the voltage dropped to 420 Volts.
 
It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because the inventor ended the demonstration after 1 ? hours.
 
I could not detect any time-varying magnetic field that might have provided an external energy input.
 
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance.
 
 
 
 
 
 October 29, 1995     Roland Schinzinger
 
 
 
RESUME   ROLAND SCHINZINGER
 
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering  (UCI)
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering  (UCI)
PhD, Univ. California, Berkeley    1966
MS,   ?      1954
BS,   ?      1953
Westinghouse Design School / U. of Pittsburgh  1955
Apprenticeship (Technikum), Bosch Co.   1947
High School (Doitsu Gakuin, Tokyo, Abitur)  1945
 
Academic Appointments:
 
(UCI) Associate Dean 1979-83, 1985-86
(UCB)Teaching Fellow 1963-65
Robert College Istanbul Turkey:
Associate Professor 1962-63
Associate Professor 1958-62
 
University of California, energ. & Mgt. (Grad Program) 1991-92
California State Polytechnic University    1978-80
University of Santa Maria, Brazil     1993
University of Kariruhe, Germany-
Power and High Voltage Institute     1986
University of Manchester Inst. Of Science and Tech.-
And Imperial College, London:     1972-73
 
Honors:
 
Fellow, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Eng.,(IEEE)
Fellow, Institute for the Advancement of Engineering
Award for Contributions to Professionalism (IEEE)
1983 Centennial Medal (IEEE)
Science Faculty Fellow (Natl. Sc. Foundation)   1964-65
Sangamo Prize Fellowship (Sangamo Electric)   1953
Honor Societies HKN, TBN, Sigma xi
Listed in ?Who?s Who, Am. Men & Women in Science and Engineering
 
Publications:
 
Over 70 technical papers, plus numerous reports and commentaries.
Also four books: Ethics in Engineering   McGraw-Hill
   Conformal Mapping   P.A.Laura
   Emergencies in Water Delivery Davis Pub.
   Electrical Laboratory   SIMA Ltd.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 07, 2006, 11:04:39 PM
Hmm, what is still intriguing to me is, that when the device is rotated by 180 degrees, the output decreases much and is going down.
Maybe it is some kind of Lentz law defying tansformer setup, where he controls via a 90degrees phase shift driver about 4 coils, so he has a rotating magnet field on his core. Maybe he switches on his unit via a small magnet via a Reed Relay, which can be seen in coil01.avi
If you turn the device around by 180 degrees, the rotation direction will also change from clockwise to counterclockwise, so this could be an example, why it might be important to have the right spinning direction of the fields to get output at all ! hmm, but I still wonder if he can do it without a control circuit at all... I guess also inside the small ring that there is a small controll circuit, which drives all the coils and transformers and which is probably 9 Volt battery powered. But he probably has achieved an OU transformer, which only needs very low input power and outputs at least 1000:1 more than inputed...
Any further hints would be very apreciated.. Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 07, 2006, 11:16:00 PM
If he turns his device by 180 degrees and the output goes down, then it seems to matter, in which spinning direction he is cutting the earth magnetic fields , or am I wrong ? What could be still a different reason for this ? What puzzles me is, that he is demoing it above some measurement equipment, where the case is probably made of iron so it would shield any earth magnetic field... so why does the output decrease when it is turned by 180 degrees ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 08, 2006, 12:44:04 AM
I believe you are looking at the earths magnetic field incorrectly.  The field runs from from pole to pole, not straight out from the axis and into space so he could probably run this thing on top of a car and it not effect the operation.  Another guess is the closer to the north or south pole the device is operated, the more power is produced since the fields are more concentrated.

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 08, 2006, 04:52:55 AM
is this the mentioned UEC corporation ?

http://www.uecus.com/aboutus.htm

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on February 08, 2006, 06:47:39 PM


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Lives with his girlfriend in the
Philippines,
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Bldg, Suit 413, Metro Manila Phone 011-63-2-810-9284/8945358. Ah
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 09, 2006, 12:20:59 AM
I have watched the video again today and the unit which is shown without the tape wrapped around it,
which powers the 2
standing lamps.

In this unit one can ?clearly see, that there are several short turn coils
wrapped around the lower side of the toroidal core.
So I guess, if this unit is producing a rotating magnet field it must
be controlled by a 90 degrees phase shifted sine wave or other 90 degrees
phase shifted wave, like a square wave or something simular.

Let us assume he uses 4 driver coils each 90 degrees space apart,
each on a quarter legof the toroid and each pair is controlled with a 90 degrees
phase shifted sine wave oscillator, powered by a single 9 Volts battery.
With this he could generate a rotating magnet field inside the core !

How then can you design the output coil or coils to extract more energy than
you put into the 4 phase shifted driver coils ?

Any idea ?
Maybe the output coils are located beneath the low turn windings
driver coils and have more turns ?
How could these be wired to violate lentz law and defy the transformer
principle ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 09, 2006, 12:28:29 AM
Please all, let us concentrate when you post here in this thread
onto just the technical details. Please no flamewars.
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 09, 2006, 01:17:43 AM
Please can somebody post an experiment,
where one can see, that a current impulse in a conductor  is
amplified via the earth magnet field ?

How could one design a circuit which would show this ?

I can?t see how this should work.
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on February 09, 2006, 01:20:46 AM
Lebt Klaus Rassbach noch,Herr Stefan Hartmann ?
Addresse:Berlin

Hoeflichst und mit aller gebietenden Hochachtung
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?de Lanca

p.s.:Hanna Albert Awad,irgendwo im Libannon(Ajaltoun,Kerouan),
mindestens ein Anruf wert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 09, 2006, 08:46:47 AM
I thought I would chime in with my 2 cents on this subject.  :D

Two things I think are very important here.... and I could be  wrong... ;)  (ask me about routing IP traffic and I'm 100%)

#1 In one of the videos Steven say's that the device is resonating at about 7.4 cycles per second.

#2 The continued references to tubes.

Tesla used a device to power an electric motor (in a car) that used vaccum tubes to amplify his source - which was apparently the resonant frequency of Schuman cavity.

I'd also like to add my 'hurumph!' to the notion that education might hold some of you back from a revelation in this matter.  If Tesla used technology from 100 years ago to tap the aether... all we can really be sure of is that it can be done with that technology.
So my contention is that there is 100 years of technology branching away from the truth and towards the constraints put in place by evil men with greed as their motive.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 09, 2006, 09:46:28 AM

ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD.
 
Report on Test of Energy Device
 
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance.
 
 October 29, 1995     Roland Schinzinger

Quote from: mannix link=http://www.keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000596.htm

So here is what i have found out 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 10
inch wood former . there are capacitors but no info on them. I have used a
14 inch wheel plastic wheel trim with 22 turns of lamp wire and ,wavin a
magnet over the coil gives a rf output which i have not been able to explain
yet.


Hallo Lindsay,

look like there is no iron involved to the core of the coil!? It seems to be important, or not?

greetings
Norbert K??ner
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 09, 2006, 02:22:52 PM
Speaking of turbines:  http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm

I've often wondered if placing a number of cores north to south and somehow pulsing them to the earth frequency would form a blocking effect of the field.  If the 1st core were to block the field from the second, this may cause the second core to charge 180 degrees out of phase which would then pulse the third core...... but how could even consider looping something like this is beyond me.  Unless the turbine effect is more of a partial field blocking which allows it to step around the torroid, which would also mean that some windings would be 100% output and others only a partial.

I believe Hendershots first self runner had to be aligned south to north which could indicate an in-line coring system versus the torroid which would always place a couple of windings (when wound like petals on a flower) in a north-south configuration.  Just thinking out loud....

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 10, 2006, 01:57:21 AM



So here is what i have found out 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 10
inch wood former . there are capacitors but no info on them. I have used a
14 inch wheel plastic wheel trim with 22 turns of lamp wire and ,wavin a
magnet over the coil gives a rf output which i have not been able to explain
yet.

Where did this info come from Lindsay ?

Why does there come up an RF burst, when waiving a magnet over this
coil ?
How did you measure it ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 10, 2006, 11:25:37 AM
You just read the quote info of my posting!

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Grin


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 10, 2006, 04:31:08 PM
Yes ,
That was a very early experiment  It was RF pickup !
I had to hold the magnet ..it was thru my body!

That Info came from somebody who spoke to somebody who saw the cross section that was cut from the coil.

The Rf source turned out to be  a plastic welderacros the road . It it strange that somebody would respond to that now after all these years.

I had even forgotten that I posted that!


By the way it was years ago and your reference gives the impressin that it was yesterday!

I hope you can see how mis leading this could be


Lindsay Mannix


To bad, no answer of my question!

Today i was reading about magnet resonanz imaging and how it works. Maybe the cork like core is a organic material and because of pleacing a magnet it gives a stronger signal from the Schumannfrequenz.

Unfortunately I do not have measuring instruments, therefore i can only guess.

Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 10, 2006, 09:32:06 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on February 11, 2006, 10:12:40 AM
Freedom fuel,

Thank you for your insights.


First of all the sebcar.
I did not discover any overunity as such in the sebcar...but.

One of the effects was that many people had trouble with the adjustment pot smoking up!

This could possibly have been external.

The sebcar was a fun project that was a bit outside the box so to speak.
Perhaps using the sebcar system with air turbine coils could be fun to?
another project that looked interesting was the tep project at jlnaudins site.

Just going thru what steven had told me

I do suggest that people who are not familiar with rf and the burns that can be had do not mess with this.

The coils get hot. THis problem has not been resolved. It apparently due to the windings moving.

Think of the ouput as dc (pulsed)5khz with lots of Hash in it.

When it is unloaded the voltage climbs substantially and I do not mean a spike. it lasts for several seconds and is a good third higher.
Steven calls it the turbine effect.

The large coils have control units (as seen) the small coils have the control unit mounted on the inside edge of the coil and they do have to be inside the coil.
Here is something interesting from Steven.



It has been a very long road from beginning to end. It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today.
So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the power generator. I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute.
Perhaps a story which had impact on me at that time was told to me by my boss way back in 1970 I believe it was.
He told me that around 1965 or 66 there was an explosion in an apartment in Chicago. the authorities had concluded that for some unknown reason, a General Electric color television receiver had been the source of an explosion that killed a young black child in the apartment. My boss went on to relate that he was involved in the investigation because he was in Chicago at the time and he was  invaluably experienced with television circuits and etc.
He told us that what they found was, the TV had exploded with some quick furry. The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front but sparred his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen.
The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals necessary to create the explosion. It appeared that the TV was the exact center of the explosion, however no one could find a reason for the explosion occurring. Also consider that there is not really much inside a TV to explode with enough force to kill people and destroy the living room a large apartment. Yes a CRT can explode and kill someone, however this was not the kind of explosion we are talking about. The most interesting part of the story is that according to our boss, metallic objects especially those containing large amounts of iron were dramatically displaced. He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and pulled toward the TV set. When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws! Everything in the room appeared to have moved or was moving toward the TV as it exploded, or imploded as the case may be. The child was apparently killed by way of these metallic objects traveling through his body on their way toward the center of the TV set.
As far as  my boss knew,  there was never a good explanation for the occurrence. We found out that this was not the only unexplained explosion of TV sets worldwide. However, the fact that all the sets exploded while in operation may bear some light. Also most of the TV sets were made by the GE company or were TV sets made using GE circuits and of similar design.
However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his own theory which he never told anyone as far as i know, except me. His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . . Now that is something I have thought about a great deal.
My employer's words had great impact on me. Not that they meant anything really, but I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one moment in time to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the designers. And so it goes. Some of the reasons why I thought about things the way I did and perhaps why I set out to think along the lines I did when I discovered the power generator technology. Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is actually what it does you know.
Sincerely,
SM





Thats about all I have for now.
 
As long as this stays relevant and in Stevens interest I will continue to post.

There is something that I must add here. Steven has had no convictions of any kind..search the net for effects
search for blowing up tv sets find a clue to unusual effects.

 

I do wonder why people chose not to use their actual names.


Sincerely

Lindsay Mannix





Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 06:32:31 PM
Hmm, very strange this "magnetically-imploding" tv set...
Well, if indeed nails were removed from the wall and were accelerated into the direction
of the TV-set, then the magnetic flux density must
have reached at least 100 Tesla or more ! I can?t imagine, how this could have happened
just in a old TV-set. There must have been forces at work, which have not been
created by the normal 60 AC supply.
Such forces would have needed at least a few 100 KWatts of power to generate
just a huge magnetic field. The fuse of the appartment would have been
blown, if this power would have been drawn from the grid socket...
A loose transformer contact in the TV set could have caused just a burnup
of some components, but not such a Mega-Watts requirement magnetic field !
Hmm, indeed, very strange...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 07:15:17 PM
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif

This is the mentioned animated GIF pic of a toroidal core being powered
by a DC supply and changing the taps where the power supply is applied.

Remember, that the 2 partial-coils are in repelling mode, so the magnet fields
wil move out of the core inside the center.

This same configuration can be got, if you use 2 pairs of coils ( 4 coils all in all) located
90 degrees apart
on a toroidal core and control them with a 90 degrees phase shifted sine generator.
This way you can avoid any mechanical switching and also get the same rotating field.

Now I read, that the control circuit must be inside the big coils in the bigger units and
that the bigger units only contained cork and wires.... Now the question is,
how is the big outer coil wounded ? Is it wounded around its axis or is it wound like a toroidal
transfomer ? Are there many coils around the cork core or just one or 2  or 4 ?

If it is a selfrunning system as it appears to be, there must be some kind
of feedback loops, so the system can oscillate up and feed itsself.

But the small 2 toroidal coils ontop of this plastic box, can they generate such a big field,
that the outer big coil on the cork toroidal core can have enough induction
to generate a feedback loop ?
It is a pretty huge airgap so to say...

Hmm, we really need more info before we can try to setup an experiment
to prove any effects...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 07:17:59 PM
Who is Klaus Rassbach ?
I don?t know him...

Lebt Klaus Rassbach noch,Herr Stefan Hartmann ?
Addresse:Berlin

Hoeflichst und mit aller gebietenden Hochachtung
 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?de Lanca

p.s.:Hanna Albert Awad,irgendwo im Libannon(Ajaltoun,Kerouan),
mindestens ein Anruf wert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 11, 2006, 07:27:19 PM
These latest comments about inspiration for the device are interesting.  Even more so considering that Tesla worked for RCA in the early years of TV.  It is said he worked under a different name... and I have no confirmation of the one source... but interesting.

About the TV exploding... I wonder what kind of antenna setup they had on it.  Back in the day, it was not uncommon to use rabbit ears with aluminum foil sheets connected to the ears.  I'm sure people used all sorts of metal and the like.
It's possible that a set of power amplified rabbit ears got screwy and electronically enlarged the antenna to such a size that it was able to draw a greater source of energy than regular broadcast waves.

If you like that theory... let's talk about how Bushwacker's HOPE might work.  :)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 11, 2006, 07:36:05 PM
Oh yeah...  Aluminum amplifies signals at certain frequencies. 

"30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz"

http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 08:02:42 PM
>You mention that you find the inertial effects of my technology as being interesting to you. All I can say is, MY GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA JUST >HOW INTERESTING!!!?

I can imagine that.
An all solid state electronic circuit that has inertia and would want to resist movement like
a spinning gyroscop would be very interesting !


>Do you remember our brief discussion about if it could provide a motive force?
>I am not sure if I should comment more at this time.

Yes, if the frequencies are changed probably it could also generate an unidirectional force
defying Newston?s 3rd law.


 
>I would like to answer a few questions I have read on Stefan's web site..
>I would like to mention Stefan and Freedom fuel and Bushwacker and Mica individually but instead I will just make statements that can be relevant >to whomever as needed.
>First of all:
>1.? ? There are several parts of the power unit which have patents. Remember that the power unit technology is owned by the UEC corporation >and I have to be very careful about not stepping on their toes. I am not afraid of them or anything like that. It is just that they are the legitimate >owners of the patents and most of the research ect. I would not like to break my trust with them.
>However, I can, and will give to all of you as much information as I can. I believe that I will be able to give you enough information to begin >research on your own. I just have to pass it in front of my attorney first so I do not get myself into trouble, that's all.

That is okay with us.

>2.? ? I will in time give out a basic Hardware diagram which you may find helpful.

That would be very nice. At least a basic instruction how to see the basic "noise" effect inside
a transformer or something liks this, so we can see, that there is indeed a bigger spike
pulse coming out of a small excitation pulse.


>3? ? No I will not publish a schematic diagram of the control circuit.
>It is proprietary information owned and controlled by the UEC corporation, so I won't go there.

Okay, sure.

>4? ? I will tell you about my initial experiments and what Electron tube circuits I used to control the frequencies that gave us our significant >breakthroughs way back when.

Yes, maybe we can try first the basic effects and lean from thereon forward.


>5? ? Yes, Stefan I do intend to point you in the right direction.
>You deserve at least that much for all of the good effort you have put forth for so long. And especially your kindness to me.

Many thanks I appreciate it very much.


>6? ? About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!

Yes, it looks like some ofthe flames I could draw with my 2000 Volts DC battery power supplies, when
drawing arcs with it via the Newman coil.
As your output seems to be chopped DC with an RF noise superimposed on it, this is simular to what
I have seen.



>7? ? The patents are in several segments pertaining only to the control units not the collector coil itself,
>so I will send you examples of the hardware diagrams.
>however, I do not have access to a PC at all times so it will take some time for me to be able to scan things and send them off, be patient please. >Also I am not spending all my time sitting in front of a PC reading and sending.
>I must travel to a public place in order to safely send any information at all.

Okay, this is very kind of you. Looking forward to see the information.



>8.? ? YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors..? Study the strange factors.

Yes, we should do this.



>9? ? Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things.
>But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is
>and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power unit.


I see.

>10? ? We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
>I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was >called, the Magnetic shadow casting material?


What is the Magnetic shadow casting material? ?Have not heard about this yet ...



>No it wasn't some kind of paint.
> But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!
>We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and
>Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments.
>I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit.

Would be very interested to hear about that too !


>11? ? Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?
>they are not . . .they can't be.

How many dimensions do you think they have ?


>12? ? Who ever it was that said there might be possibly military applications for this technology is a very wise man. We believe that is probably the >primary government interest followed by the ever popular oil industry trying to stop it.

Can imagine, that the black projects are already a few years ahead of us.
As they are so top secret I could imagine the oil industry does not know
of them either. But as they are so top secret they are also not used
yet, only for top secret military demonstration, I guess...



>13? ? I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However, they do look like it. And some of what you said is not far off at all.
>14? ? Both Freedomfuel and bushwacker have good and relevant points.
>15? ? Yes there is an inertia.
>16? ? Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
>Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation,
>the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
>They seam to resist being moved through the air.
>When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
> Some of you should think about that.

Very intersting ! Seems to be like a solid state gyroscop !


>17? ? Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that.
>If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
>And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?

Hmm, the ball is turning right or in the other case left around.
Hmm, why would this change the output power ?
Does it need to turn counter wise to the earth magnet field
or the earth rotation to cut their magnet field ?

But to my understanding the earth has a about 30 to 40 uTesla
strong STATIC magnetic field in every place or does it vary much ?



>I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
>Sincerely,
>SM

Steven , many thanks, I hope you can give us more infos and we appreciate
it very much.

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 08:46:32 PM
If you look closer again to this picture:
http://harti.com/coil/energycoil44.jpg

you can see, that there are probably 4 coils
wound on each of the 2 control circuit toroids
ontop of the box inside the big coil in the center.

If these 2 toroids have counter rotating magnets fields
like in
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
but every toroid has a different rotating direction, so one is
clockwise and the other counter clockwise, there would
buildup indeed an interesting interference moiree pattern
in a magnetic field around it.
Maybe the bigger outer toroid just catches this moiree magnetic
pattern and converts it to output energy ?

Or does it make sense, if the 2 smaller inner toroids have the
same rotation direction with their magnetic fields somehow ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: shadow on February 13, 2006, 02:19:02 PM
Hallo Zusammen,

bin neu hier und hatte gestern Abend eine verr?ckte Theorie die ich hier mal vorstellen wollte. Bekomme den Text leider nicht auf Englisch hin.

Zu meiner Theorie: 

Jeder kennt ja das Ph?nomen einer vollen Badewanne wenn man den St?psel am Abfluss zieht. Es entsteht ein Strudel, der sich nach unten hin verj?ngt und somit beschleunigt. 

Vielleicht arbeitet Steven Marks Ger?t wie eine Art Abfluss f?r das Erdmagnetfeld, wobei der Abfluss ein Konverter ist, der die magnetischen Felder in f?r uns nutzbare elektrische Energie umwandelt.

Wird das Ger?t gestartet entsteht durch den "Abfluss" des Erdmagnetfeldes ein magnetischer Wirbelsturm. ?hnlich wie in der Badewanne verj?ngt sich dieser nach unten hin und wird beschleunigt und dann im Ger?t gewandelt.


Das schwache Erdmagnetfeld wird auf diese weise konzentriert und somit nutzbar.

Jeder Wirbelsturm hat im Zentrum das so genannte "Auge" in dem nicht sehr viel passiert, vielleicht erkl?rt das den Aufbau des Ger?tes.

In dem 180MB Video wird bei 32min 40sek ein Ger?t auf den Kopf gestellt, was daraufhin seinen Betrieb einstellt. Eine Erkl?rung daf?r w?re vielleicht das jeder Wirbelsturm eine bevorzugte Drehrichtung hat, beeinflusst durch die Corioliskraft.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corioliskraft . Vielleicht stimmt hier die bevorzugte Drehrichtung nicht mehr mit der der elektrischen Schaltung des Ger?tes ?berein.

Wie gesagt nur ne verr?ckte Theorie, aber vielleicht ist ja was dran?

shadow
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 14, 2006, 01:04:27 AM
Hi Shadow, that is a very interesting idea, that you compare the bath tube vortex
in the water, when you release the water from the bath tube with this
magnetic vortex, which might be here at play with the Marks device.
Maybe Marks is really just creating a vortex inside the center of the big
coil with his 2 small toroidal coils and thus attracts a 3 dimensional
magnetic vortex which whirles into the center and thus "charges" all
the time the output outer coil ?

But then I wonder how the small units work as they don?t have exiter
coils inside the center of the toroid ?

Maybe also the skin effects works positively if used in a vortex excitation
sequence ?
Will the skin effect then add current into the system when used in a vortex condition
or will it also break and drag the current down ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on February 14, 2006, 02:21:58 AM
Each magnet symbolizises the vortex-effect,"Wirbel,Strudel,Spirale" !

Sincerely
? ? ? ? ? ? de Lanca

p.s.: The magnet gives the same graphical image like the (plasma) fusion process,why ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: not_a_mib on February 14, 2006, 11:23:29 PM
The exploding TV might have been tuned to some program that really sucked, such as "The Waltons." ;-)
This would account for the material drawn toward the set.  That show has produced anomalous TV receiver
behavior in at least one other case, the David Hamel account. 
http://www.rense.com/general58/UFOencounterfuels30yr.htm

Do these ring devices work inside a closed metal enclosure? (Faraday cage)
Possible experiment:  start a ring + bulb out in the open, then slowly lower it into a nonferrous metal barrel,
then finally put a metal cap atop it to form a closed shell.  If the energy source is nonlocal, the
device should shut down, probably even before it fully enters the barrel.

If the energy source is truly local, it might keep running inside the sealed enclosure.  In this state, it might do
something unusual to the space within the enclosure such as:  (clueless newbie speculations...)
1.  Changing the physical constants of the space, such as lightspeed, permittivity, and permeability.
2.  Making crushing or bulging forces on the enclosure walls, would expect crushing from simple "ZPE pressure" idea.
3.  Change in weight, would expect loss.
Calorimetry might be revealing, a local system might have exactly zero net heat production or absorption.

A possible transformer anomaly is the Poynting vector near one.  Consider a simple nearly-ideal transformer
consisting of a nonconductive toroidal (donut shaped) high-permeability core, with small primary and secondary
windings of a few turns each  on opposite sides of the core.  The secondary is connected to a load and the primary
to an AC source by two-wire "lamp cord" style transmission lines.  Now look at the Poynting vector
P = ExH in a few places.  It is supposed to represent a flow of energy and momentum ("stuff") as carried by the
fields.  E is the electric field, H the magnetic "intensity," which is just the magnetic field with a scale factor.
Magnetic flux density or field B
Magnetic "intensity" H
Permeability u (should be Greek mu, but I have an Ugly American (Yankistani) keyboard)
B = uH, for ideal core, u is very large, for air, u is small.

Between the wires of the lamp cord, one sees E directed between the wires, and H perpendicular to E, so P points
down the wires toward the load as expected, "stuff" is oozing down the gap between the wires, leaving the
AC source and eventually entering the load.

Now look between turns of the primary winding.  E is directed between the turns, in nearly the same direction as H.
Also H is present inside the winding, but should largely vanish outside it.  The P vector seems to quietly vanish
into the winding.  The secondary winding is similar.

Now look inside the core material away from the windings.  H is directed along the core, E loops around it,
so P "throbs" in and out normal to the core surface.  Just outside the core material, H mostly vanishes, so P
should also, giving a discontinuity at the core surface.  (The equivalent "surface current" from magnetic domains
in the core may account for this, acting as a source and sink.)  In the space outside the core and windings,
P is largely absent.

There does not seem to be a P flux crossing the space between the windings, no transport of "stuff".  In a
strongly-coupled transformer, the fields inside the core do not change very much when the load is changed,
the fields do not seem to reflect the energy flow through the transformer.  How does the "stuff" get from
one winding to the other?  (I am probably missing something really obvious here, I haven't quite got the
hang of this electric stuff yet.)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 15, 2006, 12:26:19 AM
>If the radio signal is too strong the radio receiver might be overloaded and distortion or
>other bad effects will take place. By tuning slightly off frequency we can weaken the
>signal the radio is receiving >and amplify and produce the sound for entertainment purposes.
>However, the music will not be of high quality. The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc.
 
>OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
>Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
>No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying
>to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
>But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact
>that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
>My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning
>them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency
>the more power you permit the collector >to dissipate into a load.

I see, until here this all relates to a resonance condition for LC circuits.



>the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use.
>In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the
>collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.

Now this is the most interesting part.
This means that you must supply the right frequencies to the coils
that match their physical shape and length ?
Or does it just depend also of the used length of the circumference of the core ?



>You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because
>the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.?

So the signal source sees no load in this setup , if you draw a few hundred Watts out ofthe collector coil ?


>It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of
>power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.
>We instead must >deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make
>the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
>The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. >that is why the control
>units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the
>frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the
>whole thing off exact >conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.

Okay, this makes sense and is the bridge that? collapsed due to much wind excitation and was destroyed this way... That is just a resonance catastropy.

 
>By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation?

No, I don?t know this. Does Lindsay has a video tape of it he could post ?



> Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very slowly.
>it >speeds up faster and faster until it just stops.
>When it stops the unit is always operating at about it's design >maximum.
>We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect.
>When the unit is shut off the compass starts to revolve again and slowly comes to >a rest.

Hmm, maybe the freqency gets just too fast for the mechanical compass to follow it.
Then the compass needle stalls and gets to a rest at too high frequencies.
As the frequency comes down, the compass needle can again catch up and
restarts and slows down in sync with the singnal source.

Now, my most important question is:
Does the frequency run up controlled by your control circuit or is it due to some kind
of selfresonance and/or? your "current kick" inductions ?

If we go from a 4 coils on a toroid core spinning field like this
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif

how is this? frequency windup done? ?
Is this done via your control circuit ?

On the contrary: If we would wind 4 normal coils onto a toroidal core and just use a 4 x 90 degrees phase driver to
drive it this way, that it keeps the flux inside the core, a compass needle would not move inside
the core center,cause the whole flux stays inside the core, so the setup must really by like in
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
where the flux comes out of the core cause 2 coil pairs always repell the flux out of the core...





>By the way, the fire discharge everyone sees in the video is after the output of the device is
>switched through a large high value resister! I hope that will wake up a few of you to the danger potentials.

Yes,there must be quite some power behind it as you can also see, that it can light about 8 to 10 x 100 Watt bulbs, so
so around 1 KWatt power from it from this small converter is pretty powerful....!





>Stefan is quite correct about the amount of power necessary to pull the nails out of the
>walls during the GE color television explosion in Chicago. Actually? Dr. Schinzinger
> told me that it would have >required much more power then that.


Yes,I can imagine this.
Is there any more info about this accidebt on the web available ?
Maybe we can study the circuit diagramm of this special TV set and see, when one
component fails, what could then happen ?

Did the tv electron-beam yoke, which reflects the elecron beam become
a rotating toroid converter ?
I could only imagine, that this unit, which normally also sits on
some kind of core was running away in frequency and might have catched up
the right frequencies which are required to get such a selfresonating state ?

I wonder, why it could then produce the huge magnet fields and did? not
smoke up earlier before it reached 100 Teslas or more
to pull out the nails from the walls ?

Normally the coils would have already burnt up, when they have produced
1 Tesla or less if too high current would have passed through them...



>We theorized that the TV set must have become for a split second, a
>power unit very similar in operation to one of my own making.
>Except for the fact that it wouldn't have been designed to collect >and convert the available power in a useful way.
>Instead, the TV just stumbled for one millisecond on the correct combination of
>frequencies necessary to cause the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
>But unfortunately the TV set had no way to control the function and began to absorb and
>discharge both the electric and magnetic factors caused by the influence of the strong field.

Hmm, I guess ithas needed more than a few milliseconds to remove the nails from the wall...
This is just all speculation only ....We just don?t know and an exact? report is not available...



>It was during this discussion with Dr. Schinzinger that he pointed out that during an atomic explosion aside from the gigantic
>blast wave and heat produced there is also an extremely large magnetic force which is so strong that it travels way out
>into space during the explosion. The magnetic wave is so strong that it will >completely destroy any
>unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design. That is why solid state radios will be useless
>after an nuclear attack on your country. Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from
>when you explode an atomic bomb. It is just created? Is it converted? Is it part of the earth somehow?
>Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
> I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
>It is something else to think about. perhaps in connection with my power technology. Dr. Schinzinger
> said that it is explained as being the result of the splitting of the atom.
>However, that is a very short explanation and not really a satisfactory explanation of what
>generates the force. He agreed with me and said it would also mean that in reality we
> know very little about magnetic fields and magnetic property.

Hmm, yes, interesting, but I am now more confused as before.
Now is the control circuit winding up the frequencies or is this done by selfresonation or what is going on there ?
And how are the coils wound onto the core and must the core? be magnetic itsself like a ferrit core or is itreally a cork core ?

And what does it have to do with the earth magnetic field giving a kick to the currents ?

I rather would firstly like to have a basic experiment, where we can prove, that the magnet field
of the earth can really work as a negative resistance and propell the electrons in a circuit...
this is what you first claimed was the propelling source of your circuit.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 15, 2006, 08:06:42 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 16, 2006, 06:00:59 AM
I've gone over this thread more than once, and maybe I'm missing something.  :)

But before I read one more post waxing-poetic about the little engine who could... haha (no offense) I would like to see some actual power come out of the device.  :)
I've seen voltage - but anyone can transform 60v out of a weak source.  Where are the ampheres?
The gyroscopic effect?  It's spinning.  So?

I can understand hiding the design... though I wouldn't hide anything... but I cannot understand the length of this discussion about a device that has not been clearly shown to produce real power.

This forum is made up of many different types of people.  There are engineers who think in formulas and specifics (show me a drawing!) and there are people like me, who are abstract thinkers, who perceive with abstract thought.  But we all have the same goal (hopefully) and that is to deliver power to the people for free.

I understand that when a device shows *promise* the tendancy is to try and decide how it might work and to start calculating... and I think sometimes the engineers get so focused on the math that they cannot see the forest for the trees.  This leaves it to the ones who think, not just 'outside the box', but abstractly - to say, "Shit - or get off the pot!"

We all appreciate the time people take to share their experiments and their knowledge.  But showing me a fuzzy video of a device and a voltmeter that reads 60v is just not enough to make me waste one second of time on wondering how it works.

Is there really one person here who couldn't make a box with a gyroscope in it that would have 60v left over?  At least for the amount of time that we've seen this thing work?

Geez.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 16, 2006, 10:22:53 AM
Elvis, look again into all videos, this device delivers about 1 KWatt of power in the biggest device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mica Busch on February 16, 2006, 07:29:19 PM
Also Elvis, this system is entirely solid state [as I understand it]. THAT is what makes the gyroscopic effect intruiging.   8)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mpav on February 17, 2006, 03:20:16 PM
It would be great if SM would be able to provide some additional information on these questions:

1)  When Larry is mentioning the "short" pieces of wire, can we assume that current is not constantly flowing through every piece of wire all of the time?  Can we assume that the wire does not completely encircle the coil?
2)  Were there any heat dissipation problems... did the heat generated stabilize...or did it continue to get hotter the longer the device was on?
3)  You said the spinning compass would finally stay in one spot....  was it always oriented in the same direction?  Would you attribute this to the fact that the magnetic vortex became so fast that the mechanical rotation of the compass essentially left it standing still?
4)  When you disengaged the unit for power down...did the compass start spinning again and then slow down?  Did it spin in the opposite direction?
5)  Can you breakdown for us the essential parts of the unit... at least in a descriptive manner?

These could be very helpful answer in understanding the basic working of the unit.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 18, 2006, 11:37:58 AM
 :-*  Glad you liked my analogy. 

Obvioulsy I can't argue that there is no evidence if others choose to believe whatever they see in a video.

But to be honest... and I hope you take this has constructive... ;)   It was your "infomercial" style of posting that pushed my buttons and drove me to vent.   :-*
When Steven brings his product to market and we are all free from the leash of commercial power... THEN you can rant about the man like he was the second coming.  Until then... ease up on the worship. 

On a lighter note - it might be nice to make a new topic with all the relevant info posted there.  This thread is bogged with nonsense - including my own. :D

Peace!!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 19, 2006, 09:46:06 PM
Lindsay,

That's exactly right.  That surge killed alot of people before A/C came along.  That surge is what led tesla to his discovery that disruptive discharge across a spark gap would free the voltage from the current (or something like that) so that you could transform that voltage 10,000 times per foot of coil.  What he pulled off the spark was probably the same thing as the 'streamers' that conducts lightning.
And it's most likely that the resuilting radiant energy he produced... was actually something like streamers... that would ground to a resonating circuit to pull energy out of the air the same way lighting happens.
The frequency of the waves (for lack of a better term) he created determined the energy that was pulled out of the air.
As a matter of fact - the cooling effect he felt is the same thing you feel when a thunderstorm rolls in.  :)

Realizing this is what got me interested... and is the reason I am here.

Now... if I had the resources... I would have already built a spark-gap tesla coil and started experimenting with reducing the time of discharge.  :)
But... not only do I not have the resources... but I could never find a damn EE who could explain what kind of cap I needed and how I could tell the rate of discharge. 
And I have thought about using the ignition system out of a car to test with... but that's too dangerous for a newbie like me :)

I apologize for being rude in my other posts.  but it's frustrating to me... as someone who is not an EE... when I know what Tesla did... and I can understand it in an abstract way... but I have no education in electronics and no resources to experiment... and when I come to forums like this to try and find someone who might have the same light go off in their head - as did in mine... someone with the expertise to actually make it work... I find everyone wants to see a drawing and tells me to get off my lazy ass and test my own shit.

Tesla did it.  Gray did the same thing with his machine.  It seems obvious to me. 

{and as a pre-emptive strike on Bushwacker... it is not that I am lazy... I am just poor.}

Peace!



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on February 19, 2006, 09:49:47 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 21, 2006, 12:54:11 AM
I have the basic skills, a multimeter and a personal 20mhz o'scope.? I am paying close attention to what's being said but I've also got the materials to build a Kromrey Generator and my resources are in that direction.? I was going to pursue the HOPE next but am waiting on a dual trace o'scope (input vs output) before that is tried.? Please don't stop, the archives are a wonderful tool but unless they are filled.......

The idea of extracting power from the ether isn't new, but is a difficult idea to grasp.? Where does the energy come from, the sun, the earth's crust versus molten core being in turn a dynamo, a basic back ground energy upon all that which is physical is built upon?? I don't know.? But I do remember at a free energy conference being told about a minute kick on the up-slop but didn't realize it was attributed to the earth's field.? ?So my guess is to have high speed switching and try to use only the extra kick.? SM's device was stated at being about 5khz dc but the Prentice device (see below) is attributed to be at 500khz a/c.? Perhaps I'm looking at to much information trying to figure this thing out.? But believe me, both of my remaining brain cells are processing the information given.

http://www.rexresearch.com/prentice/prentice.htm

Also, I have a dead 12v car battery at the house and will perform the mentioned experiment.

Many thanks,

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Dansway on February 21, 2006, 01:03:30 AM
Faraday stated: "When a current suddenly ceases, it can INDUCE a current IN THE SAME WIRE which is stronger than the original current. Thus, by conservation of force, there must be some force present, AN OPERATIVE, other than electric force. This force is probably the MAGNETIC FORCE."

~Dan

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 21, 2006, 02:59:02 AM
Lindsay and Steven.
Many thanks for the infos so far, but I am also pretty busy with other things right now,
so I have no time to do these tests. Also I have tried to look up the effect
of the kick current with Google, but did not find any experiment,
which can prove this.
ALso the tube valve book is not available over here in the libraries
and I hoped, somebody would scan it it from their local library or
somebody, who has this book in his posession...
Just keep the info flowing. This year there will
also be many more interesting new devices come up, I can not yet
speak of, cause I have signed NDA.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 21, 2006, 06:18:10 AM
Before saying anything else I would like to direct my question to Steven Mark. And here is my question:

In at least one of you devices, does the OUTPUT AC component frequency increase PROPORTIONALLY with INCREASING the number of turns in the output coil?

This is not a funny question, this has been achieved in one of my experiments. I would really appreciate and respect any answer from Steven, even no answer at all. The answer would definitely help me to verify if I am going in the right direction.
And here is some more info.
I am a new in this forum as a registered member but I am not new in this field and in tracing this forum, at all. I have set up one (after a year of experimenting) experiment where I have managed to multiply electrical ?kicks? that Steven Mark was talking about. I have not managed to naturally generate initial ?kick?, at least yet. The electrical ?kick? that I was using was generated artificially but it did got multiplied. I am not yet ready to reveal everything. I might post more info after I get a stable and easily reproducible results but PLEASE don?t be disappointed if I don?t. As Steven said, I don?t like ?Monkey see, monkey do? approach. Unfortunately the things are not moving fast enough.
Some info, only based on my own experience AND after looking at Steven?s videos again and again and some experiments:
1)No magnetic core CAN be used, at least in the simplest set up. In some videos it looks like that the magnetic core IS being used but I think that was some technical improvement vs. general approach.
2)Magnet is a mandatory part but not the best solution, just the simplest solution
3)Look very carefully at the videos and/or some screenshots. There are at least two pictures that do reveal too much. (I don?t want to say that I am absolutely right, I might be wrong)
4)Some of the postings is this forum do really have very interesting stuff

Thanks a lot to Steven

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 21, 2006, 09:57:25 AM
Lindsay and Steven.
Many thanks for the infos so far, but I am also pretty busy with other things right now,
so I have no time to do these tests. Also I have tried to look up the effect
of the kick current with Google, but did not find any experiment,
which can prove this.
ALso the tube valve book is not available over here in the libraries
and I hoped, somebody would scan it it from their local library or
somebody, who has this book in his posession...
Just keep the info flowing. This year there will
also be many more interesting new devices come up, I can not yet
speak of, cause I have signed NDA.
Regards, Stefan.


Hallo Stefan,

Mit "first kick" ist offensichtlich der Einschaltstrom gemeint.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einschaltstrom

Wie das jetzt aber mit dem Erdmagnetfeld zusammenpasst und ob die Begr?ndung wie sie bei Wikipedia steht so stimmt kann ich nicht sagen.

MfG
rensseak

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 21, 2006, 10:33:56 AM
Hallo Steven Mark and Linday Mannix,

first of all, many thanks that you are willing to give us some lesson, otherwise we must again invent the wheel.

My english is not perfect, so i want to know if the "first kick" you mention is the same as "startup current" or "starting current" in german "Einschaltstrom" or "Anlaufstrom".

regards from Germany
Norbert K??ner
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on February 21, 2006, 03:59:18 PM
After rereading, I'm obviously getting tired.  I thought the idea was to take an unknown induced voltage and jolt a dead battery(Bendini styple o/u).....obviously brain dead again.  The actual idea is to see the copper movement with a sudden jolt of power, and the true quest is what the copper is reacting against to move which is apparently the earths field since the low gauge copper cannot be heated fast enough to cause a physical jump. 

Sorry, I'll try to pay more attention in the future....

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 21, 2006, 07:13:39 PM
Hallo Lindsay,

ok, next question!

steve said it would be in common sens, but you said it is new education. I'm now irritated.

I was somewhere reading that every electron has a spin and a north and a South Pole (http://www.physorg.com/news9125.html (http://www.physorg.com/news9125.html)) and "when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire" the adjustment of this poles or spin is changing and this gives the kick.

regards
Norbert K??ner


Rennseak,

Good question

You are looking for prescribed terminology I am sorry your training does not include this .....it still doesn't

I quote from Steven directly here ..."when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire"
 unquote
This is the first gold nugget ....do not try and fit it into your education this is a new education

Every body has been looking for back emf

The kick is physical...it shows that there is ENERGY!!!

It is to prove to you that it is there

It is to remove your doubt

It is the foundation of you knowing that it exists

I sincerely hope this helps with the context and action of the KICK!

Does any body else think that one kick amounts to any thing?

Perhaps we need more than one kick ...who knows? ...

What if we had a switch that could turn off the moment after we turned it on?

Heres a potentially stupid term"foward emf"... no sparks ay? ...




I hope this makes sense to you, it is a slow process.

If I could down load my brain here it may help ..I feel like I already have


Im sorry but I keep repeating "read the thread again"


But yes a good question!

Lindsay Mannix


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 22, 2006, 12:15:57 AM
Whatever the source of input this device has... and it has been implied that the source is the "kick" that comes for "free" when a circuit is closed... so we have a source that is not really used - only for the initial "kick", over and over and over...
Then perhaps this is a series LC circuit resonating at the same frequency as the input so that impedance is zero and the output is amplified 100-1000 times - over and over and over?

see this reference...

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 22, 2006, 02:17:27 AM
Good idea ! This could be, that he has the coil of the LC circuit then on a toroidal core
and the resonating will induce into the secondary also pulses.

The question would then be, why the magnet field would spin up
in frequency ( the compass spinup) ? This would not fit with a fixed
LC resonance circuit....
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 22, 2006, 02:29:27 AM
ty.  :)

I would have no idea how this power is then transformed or delivered to a secondary circuit.  But... it's possible that the physical arrangment of the coils... whether multiple LC circuits or a combination with secondary coils... that the alternating current is rotating around a concentric axis.... thus creating a gyroscopic effect.

Also... don't forget that the power input is said to be small... and so the device is constantly adding that small input to the residual (input minus loss) at each cycle.  This would cause the coils to produce more and more (flux?) and if they are arranged so that it is a roatating field... it would cause the perceived gyroscopic affect to get stronger and stronger until it reached maximum.

The time to stop this motion... the "spin down" also points to an oscillation like in an LC circuit.

Maybe you can answer this - I have heard that you cannot couple a secondary coil to the coil in a LC or "tank" circuit.  Is this true? If it is, then we are still way behind the curve on how this device works.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 22, 2006, 02:50:49 AM
P.S: I have searched back and forth GOOGLE for any reference of the earth magnet field
for instant bigger current when switching on ( Einschaltstrom)
but have not yet found anything related to the earth magnetic field.
So until someone can scan these valve book pages we will be still
in the dark how this effect is working and how it can be seen in an experiment.
P.S: the experiment with the cable and the battery:
There you probably just see, that coil loops repell each self against
each other...
So if you lay a longer wire into a coil onto the floor and energize this cable
the loops will just repell each other, but just only due to their
own magnet fields repelling each other loop...

Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 22, 2006, 03:33:50 AM
parallel wires with current flowing in the same direction will attract.... reverse the current in one of the wires and they repell.

I'm not sure where the "kick" comes from... but flip the switch on a big DC generator and you will see the glow.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 22, 2006, 03:54:21 AM
Yes,sure they will attract, sorry I mixed this up.
Anyway the wire will move because it is attractic each other.
This is probably what Lindsay meant, am I right ?
Or did he say the whole coil jumps off the ground, because it
is repelled by the earth magnet field ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on February 22, 2006, 04:14:36 AM
I don't want to put words in his mouth... but he said they would jump.  And they will... I think he meant from the "kick" though.

I'll try to find reference to the kick - it's what made flipping the switch  on old DC distribution systems dangerous.

I think his reference to the earth's magnectic field was to explain where the kick was coming from.... I think...  :)  Tesla noticed it - and that's what led to the tesla coil.
By using a spark gap... he generated a disruptive discharge... he was (I assume) trying to find the kick... and what it was.
What he did was - by quenching the spark... and holding the discharge time down to under 100ms... was to generate a voltage that would step up 10,000 times per foot of coil (secondary) - this is the spark-gap tesal coil.

This is - I assume - like a streamer of ionized air.  It rolled up the outside of the coil.  He also noticed a cooling affect.  More like a thunderstorm rolling in, eh??  This is why I say it was ionized air - like the streamers that lightning discharges in.

So - assuming Tesla was able to get a true current out of this - with the proper receiver... I can only assume that creating the streamer "made lightning."

So this is why I say that mannix must be alluding to the kick coming from the earth's magnetic field.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 22, 2006, 05:45:04 AM
With all respect for Steven

In my previous posting I have mentioned that there are at least two pictures from Steven?s device that might be revealing ?too? much. I have attached those pictures to this post. We will have a look at them a little later.
In one of the previous postings, not by me, there was a reference to the ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?. Now, if you go to the link http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf and read that file on page 7 fig. 12 (Measured startup transient), also fig. 11 on page 6. Doesn?t it explain why the compass is rotating in one direction at start up and another direction at shut down?  Now on fig. 14 (Measured stable soliton oscillation?) Doesn?t it explain why the compass is not rotating when the system has stabilized? I want really to emphasize it, it DOES!!! I don?t want to say that Steven is using the same idea, not at all. It is just my wild guess.
I am not a good teacher to explain everything I know, but if you have some knowledge in electronics, you should be able to easily understand the above. The only thing I don?t agree with that article when it says ??.there has not been a robust electrical soliton oscillator reported to date??. That is simply not true. I have developed myself, as a part of my job, more than enough such generators but could never even imagine that I was doing something special. It just was my everyday job. I am very sure that other people were doing even better job.
Now, for the same document, have a look at fig 8. Anything common with a magnet? Yes and no, but more yes. It doesn?t prove any over unity yet but the similarities are very high. In my previous posting, I have said that using a magnet is not the best solution, just the simplest. I think that using a vacuum tube with cold cathode is better but for the reason not having even one (if I only new about it 25 years ago) I cannot prove it.
In my previous posting, I have asked Steven a question, not a trivial one. If he can answer, negative or positive, doesn?t matter, I would be more than satisfied. Based on my question in the previous posting, at some time I was experimenting with some ?free energy? devices. I forgot completely about Steven?s device at that time. But when I found this forum and read everything I was almost ready to go and buy a bottle of brandy. I was looking for generating a standing wave but got something different and very interesting. Despite that, I didn?t know what to do with that all. Having read the entire postings here, the picture is clearer.
Now, about the attached images. Open the attachments and have a look at the type (manner) of windings. Anything strange? Yes, at least for me. I am not yet ready to tell how I managed to multiply the artificially generated ?kicks? but probably at some time I will do it. I just want to recover my previous experiments and reproduce it again with some more stuff in mind.
And again, to prevent any arguing, I might be very wrong.

Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Conwy on February 22, 2006, 10:54:32 PM
Hi,

I have have viewed the videos and read the helpful patents that have been referenced on this subject (Lindsay yahoo forum). I would now like to express my Opinion about how the toroid device (the model) shown in the first of Steve's videos can be based on one of these patents (ref. US2004/0007932 Jan 15,2004) - There is a lot of educated guess work here!

(Please note I am not saying that this device model is a copy of the patent only the device in the patent probably uses similar science to operate!)


First observation:

The video shows what I beleive to be a black plastic wire spool - (The bit left over when you have used up all the wire!)
The center of the spool has been enlarged to accept a small cylinder.

Now if you read patent and note fig. 12 you will notice a dual pattern of windings - one
set being the primary and the other being the secondary.

Second observation:

If you study the model video footage you will see a that a winding has been threaded from the outside edge of the cheek
of the plastic spool through the center and around to the outside edge of the cheek opposite. The winding connection appear as white around each cheek.  The white being some sort of plastic insulation tape etc. Each winding as it passes over a spool cheek is possibly taped to the spool with black tape (or black epoxy resin not sure..) The pattern of laced white connection has similarity to the patent - See top and bottom of figure 12B. I can only assume that the active part of the winding is that section which would appear vertical within the spool centre if the spool cheek was horizontal.

Third observation:

At first I assumed the winding is an attempt to generate a rotating magnetic field which can be imagined as
rotating (virtual) bar magnet spun perpendicular to the spool axis. But the designs shown in the video footage
do not attempt to make efficent magnetic flux paths across the diameter of the toroid i.e. some toroids are shown empty! -
We therefore have to assume that the design is a multipolar design i.e. N-S loops of flux close to the windings active region i.e. the circumference of the inside of the spool.

Fourth Observation:

Again reference the patent (fig.12B and C). The patent also describes various three phase windings ignore these... If I was building a small test model I would not start with a three phase design I would go for a biphase design as it is easier to construct and drive (i.e. only a single capacitor in series to generate second phase). Note the pattern of windings shown in fig. 12B is a biphase arrangement and is equivalent to a single spinning magnet as described above. In order to make this a multipolar winding you would have to link fourth such windings in series (overlap end to end..). Again if you look at the model the winding is shown in four equal sectors around the cheek of the spool.

Fifth observation:

With an educated guess - I would say the function of the extra cylinder insert is to support the secondary against the primary described above - Some evidence of this is shown as more white insulation around the intersection of the cylinder and spool but this is more difficult to see on the video.

Whats it all for?

The patent implies that a 'moving' magnetic field is produced by the primary which induces a similar 'moving' magnetic field in the secondary. As well as normal transformer action between the primary and secondary you have an extra effect - Apparently the secondary can be made to electrically drive the primary 'positive feedback' and in doing so produce the electrical equivalent of a spinning mechanical flywheel.

What ever adds energy to the system only occurs if the magnetic travel or spin is in the correct direction in relation to it - The video shows that the system has to be orientated correctly for the generator effect to be observed. It is my guess that the secondary must be rotated physically in relation to the primary by some fixed amount possibly in order to 'tune' the phasing to get it to work correctly and make the device only allow magnetic field spin in one prefered direction.

I must comment here that the source of the extra energy seems to be unclear but I suspect it must be some kind of relativistic field effect do to the extreme spin rate of the magnetic field or perhaps some unknown spinning flow of energy into or out of our planet!

Anyway thanks all for this very interesting forum.

Regards

Conwy
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 23, 2006, 07:08:55 AM
Conwy,

Can you provide a link to the us patent you have mentioned? I have tried to find it on Google but with no results. Just want to read everything.
Conwy, as I understood (correct me if I am wrong), you are talking about a bigger coil. What about the video that shows a smaller coil? Is there anything inside that coil? There is nothing inside (in the center) in few of the smaller coils and it still works.


I would like to go into more details about Steven?s ?kicks? of energy excess. I am not even sure if I am doing the right thing trying to explain it. I would really ask everybody not to jump into conclusion unless you have a very good picture in your head.

About the ?kicks? that Steven was talking about. Steven said that those ?kicks? represent some kind (please don?t blame for incorrect wording, just the meaning I want to express) of energy excess. I would not call it as ?excess of energy? even in Steven?s case it is absolutely right, I would call it as very short and tiny unbalanced states of energy. Without going into heavy mathematics and physics, here is a very simple example, not directly related to energy, but look at it as a general idea or situation that is always present in any kind of action or interaction and real life.
In any (almost) university book (even in some schools) you can find a very ?strange? thing from the first point of view and it is that in any triangle the sum of all angles is ALWAYS greater that 180. It cannot be even equal to 180, it is always greater. If you don?t know about it, search for it. What it means that there is no ideal situation in real life. The same refers to the energy of any kind. There is always a bit of unbalanced state represented in any given LOCALIZED system (localized doesn?t mean not having connection to outside, just the way we use it). There is always a ?kick? generated by whatever unbalanced means, earth magnetic field or anything else, doesn?t really matter in general but in the exact case interesting to figure out. That very little piece of unbalanced state is what can put the system into the self-oscillation. The funny thing is that you can artificially increase the unbalanced state.
The definition of the balanced state of the system. (forgive me for my English, not my first language). I am not going to read you all the physic laws here, you know them. (There are so many skeptics that you can learn all the physics just based on their articles, no need for university -:)). I want to show you a different view on them. Any system is trying to get into a balanced state by trying (as much as it can if you don?t FORCE it) to spend the LEAST energy from the SOURCE AND ITS own. This is not my theory; this is taken from the pure mathematics and physics I was thought in the university. Looks stupid from the first view. You can say, wait a second; a simple transformer takes more energy from the source if you load it more. Guess what, wrong (may be -:)). In the case of the simple transformer, the magnetic flux generated by the output coil is directed in an opposite way to the magnetic flux generated by the input coil. It means, that the current generated by the output coil in the input coil will be in the same direction as the current from the source. Not yet strange? Okay, the transformer is trying to HELP you by adding the current to the input current AND this is what means the system is trying to get into the balanced state. But unfortunately we are ignoring it and not separating the source current from the generated current. As a result we put the system into the situation where it has no choice as to consume more and more energy from the source. If you can split it or make the interaction non-linear, you can get a really high efficiency but not YET over unity. Why? May be in the next post.

PS. A lot of people are talking about rotating magnetic field. I don?t know if it can generate excess of energy but at least in Steven?s case this is NOT a rotating field. How can you possibly use a rotating field in case of Steven?s BIG coil with the power unit in the center and connected to the main coil with only few wires? You simply don?t have enough number of wires connected to the external coil with no magnetic core to generate any efficient rotating magnetic field.

Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on February 23, 2006, 07:39:41 AM
@Kames,
In the bigger unit he could use the 2small toroidal cores to counter rotate
the magnetic flux and produce some kind of a magnetic vortex which "sucks"
in magnetic waves from the surroundings or free air electrons or what else
and produces a vortex motion inside the bigger output coil.
He probaly needs the big airgap between the 2 cores and the outercoil
to have the right vortex size...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 23, 2006, 08:41:42 AM
Hi Stefan,

My time is 2am and my head stops working, But anyway. If you are talking about a magnetic vortex in the bigger coil, what about the smaller coils? There are no torroidal units in it. What generates the vortex in them? We have to assume that Steven is using a different approach in the smaller units or we have to say that the vortex is not the case.
Without thinking a lot I think you need at least three coils to generate a rotating vortex, two is not enough even if they are using a different frequencies and such a called ?running? phase.
I can?t find a link to the website that has a java applet where you can programmatically select a number of different source points, assign different frequencies and see the graphical interference. I will search my computer for that link (not today, it is 2.30am) but no promises.
And again, even if you are right and it is possible to generate a vortex, what about the smaller units? I can hardly believe they are using a different idea.

Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 23, 2006, 01:52:15 PM
Hi Lindsay,

You are absolutely right. The inner coils are the part of the control unit that help the other coils to collect. Does it mean vortex? Maybe, but not convinced. The absence of such control unit in some (not all) other torroidal power units in the videos makes me think that the idea is simpler.  When I said ?rotating? field, I actually meant standard rotating field, like in the electrical motor. I didn?t mean vortex. Stefan reminded me that it might me a vortex. Agree with Stefan. But I don?t think the idea of the vortex is used. Even if I am wrong about the vortex I fully agree that the vortex can actually multiply the ?kicks? under some conditions.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 24, 2006, 06:34:51 AM
Before proceeding I think that everybody should check it out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,758.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,757.0.html
Very nice.

Coming back to my simple transformer experiment.
The experiment I am going to describe is not going to give you any over unity but it will show a real anomaly. You can reproduce it if you like and measure it. It is very much reproducible.

The way I have described the balance in the system for the simple transformer in the previous post cannot be applied to everything. Any kind of system requires its own description. Only the main idea can be reused.
Probably many of you read a lot of articles when somebody was saying that an over unity has been achieved. When asked to loop the system, everything was failing apart. Do you really believe that everybody is a con man? I really like what Steven said (don?t remember exact wording) ? ?You have to be an idiot to believe that there is a hidden battery that can give so much power for such a long time?. If I see a real power output on the active load, I believe my eyes, as simple as is.
How many times have you heard that somebody was using a back EMF and achieved over unity? Probably a lot. Did somebody managed to publicly demonstrate such a system in the self-running mode? I am not aware of it.
Have a look at the next link:
http://www.opensourceenergy.com/txtlstvw.aspx?LstID=d77e8f6b-bc60-46f2-91f2-72d55f53fb46
If the link is not working, search for the ?Zoltan Szili releases 50 watt ZPE circuit for Open Source?
His device is fully based on the back EMF idea. Even all the calculations were performed using special software to simulate the circuit. The question is: who is wrong? Software or the guy that posted it? I would say that both of them are right but it won?t work. At the same time you can use real equipment and do measure the excess of power.
I have performed the same experiment (but not identical circuit) a long time ago and did measure the excess of power in the range of 160% but could never managed to loop the device. Isn?t some kind of nonsense, you have excess of power but you cannot loop/use it, which means you cannot prove anything. The thumbnails for that circuit are not good but pay a very careful attention to them. I would say pay a lot of attention to the timing. What do you see? Nothing? Go back to my previous post and read about splitting two currents in the simple transformer. Otherwise, if you can reproduce it exactly, meaning that you have to get the same timing as in that link, you will get an anomaly, guaranteed. My experiment consisted of 2 identical coils 80 watts transformer with 50 turns in each coil. The frequency was between 100 and 500 Hz. The power ratio was measured using different methods ? converting everything to DC, using oscilloscope, using digital scope and transferring the diagrams to the computer and then calculating the size of the area under each impulse. Any way I was doing it, it was around 160% excess in active power.
Here is the answer for the anomaly. The way I was measuring the power was based on the calculation of the magnetic flux produced by each coil, or in other words, number of turns multiplied by the current in the coil. The output current was exceeding the input by 160% in active power. Can you explain the situation where the output current (the size of the area under the current line, ie in average) is greater than input having two identical coils and it is not even a resonance? I want to make a point here. I know very well the difference between active and reactive power. However, when looping the device back to the battery, the discharge current was always bigger than the charge. You can call it as a mistake but I wouldn?t. The problem was that the power was measured on the transformer, between output and input ON THE TRANSFORMER. The power should have been measured on the entire system despite that there was a piece of unit in the middle of the system that WAS GIVING the excess of power. Here we are coming to the paradox in nature. There are two contradicting things that are very deep in nature and I really don?t want to go that deep. Otherwise, my writing will never end. Just try to build a picture or use it as is.

If you really like to reproduce the circuit, here is the answer how to get the anomaly. In my previous post I have said that the output coil is trying to ?help? you. In order to see it you have somehow to separate the two currents IN THE INPUT COIL. The simplest way to do it is to split in time, making one current invisible to another. The new input impulse MUST not even begin until there is at least a little power left in the output coil. In my case I was waiting until the output current (NOT VOLTAGE) was reduced by the factor of 2 x 3.14 times and only then a new input impulse was sent to the input coil again. ONLY back EMF (using a single rectifier and a big capacitor in the output) was used to power the load in order to separate in time any kind of action that could occur in the input coil and output coil at the same time.


Regards.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 25, 2006, 07:37:11 AM
Hi Mannix,

Yes, I am a little off topic. This is true. I just wanted to show a real experiment based on the theory. It is still a little far from Steven. In one of my first postings I did strongly emphasize that Steven?s device (most of them) doesn?t have a magnetic core. I would even say that I didn?t want to emphasize it initially. I am more than 100% agree that Steven device doesn?t have to do anything with back EMF. I would say that I am absolutely sure about it. It was just an example of anomaly that a lot of people, I hope, would like to try in order to see something at least.
In my opinion, Steven?s device has a lot in common with splitting signals in time, but not only. But about it a little later, it is 1.30 am -:(.
I am just trying to get to the point without saying what I am not yet ready to say for a lot of different reason, including that I don?t have a device like Steven has. But I do have very unusual effects in my latest experiment. Believe me, this is not simple. I want to tell something but every time anything you are trying to explain it is touching the main idea that is not yet ready to be released in all details. I want everybody to understand it and possibly to find a better way.
My apology, I will try to keep myself much closer to Steven?s device.
I probably need two more postings to finish.

Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 25, 2006, 01:04:52 PM
Hi Mannix,

Yes, I am a little off topic. This is true. I just wanted to show a real experiment based on the theory. It is still a little far from Steven. In one of my first postings I did strongly emphasize that Steven?s device (most of them) doesn?t have a magnetic core. I would even say that I didn?t want to emphasize it initially. I am more than 100% agree that Steven device doesn?t have to do anything with back EMF. I would say that I am absolutely sure about it. It was just an example of anomaly that a lot of people, I hope, would like to try in order to see something at least.
In my opinion, Steven?s device has a lot in common with splitting signals in time, but not only. But about it a little later, it is 1.30 am -:(.
I am just trying to get to the point without saying what I am not yet ready to say for a lot of different reason, including that I don?t have a device like Steven has. But I do have very unusual effects in my latest experiment. Believe me, this is not simple. I want to tell something but every time anything you are trying to explain it is touching the main idea that is not yet ready to be released in all details. I want everybody to understand it and possibly to find a better way.
My apology, I will try to keep myself much closer to Steven?s device.
I probably need two more postings to finish.

Regards



Hallo kames,

when you wrote signal splitting i remember of the flanger effect. It is used for making doubling effects or hall effects in music, particularly for e-Guitarre. Which surprised me one times was, when two person is talking via VoIP and both are using loudspeaker there will be an echo that become louder and louder. Sorry for my terrible english. I hop i get it this time. Unfortunately I do not have experience in electronics and also have no equipment to make some expiriments. So I can only guess.

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 26, 2006, 05:52:43 AM
Rensseak, sorry to disappoint you but I don?t think that Steven?s device works this way. The effect you experienced is based on the standing wave. Can it provide over unity? Maybe, but I have never managed to get over unity with at least a simple standing wave. The standing wave can be a VERY efficient way of transferring the energy (see Tesla) but it doesn?t provide any explanation where the excess of the energy can come from.
 
Let?s collect what I have posted:
a)   My question in my very first post.
b)   The screenshots I have attached in one of my posts
c)   The article ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator? that was posted here. I would like to stress the technical aspects described in that article.
d)   Time splitting (probably is not the most important in Steven?s device)
e)   The ?kick? is always present. Not simple to find how to use it.
f)   The compass rotates at start up and shut down times. See my previous posts and ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?. This is very simple.
The above is just for keeping in mind, we need it if we want to explain the nature of the things.

Let?s collect some major observations from Steven?s device:
1)   No magnetic core
2)   The device vibrates at very low frequency and has (at least a big coil) a gyroscopic effect.
3)   The device generates DC current
4)   The device has AC component of relatively high frequency in the output
5)   Not every torroid has a power unit in the center. This means that there are several technical solutions and the big coil is not the simplest example to reproduce. Don?t want to speculate about vortex but I am not convinced about it.
6)   Every device makes use of a magnet (If you didn?t read ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?, please read it.)
7)   Steven mentioned about getting the most potential from the device. We are not talking about a simple resonance. I don?t believe that there is any standard electrical resonance at all. This means we are talking about the importance of the mechanical assembly of the device, such as coil connections and even spacing between the coils. If you like, you can say that the mechanical assembly must multiply (not just generate) the ?kicks? or in other words short electrical impulses.
8)   In one of the videos Steven showed a spark when shorting the wires. I wasn?t there but based on my experience I can tell you almost for sure that such a spark can be generated only by relatively high frequency.

We need the above to do the reverse engineering, not the nicest thing to do without understanding but if you don?t have understanding, you will hardly be able to make the device self-running, even if you know all the assembly details. My main idea is to get e), 2), 3) and 4) (some of them might be artificial for now) and if it still doesn?t provide me over unity, I will start adding new stuff to the SAME type of mechanical assembly, such as looking for another natural way of ?multiplying? the ?kicks?. The mechanical assembly is more than important in Steven?s device.

Now, a little of imagination. Produce the next picture/diagram in your mind. You have a torroid, doesn?t matter yet if it has a magnetic core, and inside that torroid there is a short AND sharp positive electrical impulse rotating, let?s say, with the speed 10 Hz or 10 revolutions per second. That impulse is not present along the entire length of the torroid at the same time, it is always localized at a given point. Now it is important not to have a magnetic core. Imagine that the impulse is going through the number of smaller coils/sections connected in series. Between each coil there is space with no windings. When such an impulse goes through a single section it will produce an electromagnetic impulse also ALWAYS localize at a given point. That magnetic impulse will provide a mechanical stress on the device for different reasons, interfering with the earth magnetic field or even because the assembly is not mechanically ideal. If you hold such a torroid in your hands, would you feel a low frequency vibration? ABSOLUTELY. Would it generate some kind of gyroscopic effect? VERY possible. Why no magnetic core? Because, if the core is magnetic, to get that impulse localized at a given point is very difficult if possible at all. The magnetic core will increase the magnetic interaction among the coils, which will literally destroy the effect. This is important; going through multiple coils a sharp impulse won?t lose its sharpness too much (see ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?).
Now imagine that there is another very standard coil on the torroid with little space between each turn. I am not sure if is the spacing between each turn is really required but it can increase the efficiency. When a localized sharp magnetic impulse is passing by every turn in another coil it will generate a sharp electrical impulse in that coil in every single turn. Doesn?t it look like multiplying? Because the magnetic impulse in the first coil is sharp enough and has only, let?s say, a positive polarity, it will generate a series of electrical impulses in the second coil in the SAME direction every time it crosses each turn in the second coil (the same direction is a little tricky but absolutely possible, you can partially associate it with the ?motional field?). Doesn?t it look like generating DC? Because the second coil is NEVER ideal and has some spacing between turns, would the output DC contain AC component? ABSOLUTELY. Because the second coil has multiple turns and a sharp magnetic impulse per one revolution in the torroid passing by every single turn in the second coil, would the output AC component have a much higher frequency than the initial 10 Hz mentioned above? ABSOLUTERLY.

Not much left to explain.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: orionjf on February 26, 2006, 06:09:39 PM
Congratulations Kames!! It?s very impressive your analysis and deductive ideas. I have some questions about your last conclusions. I?m sorry if they are more or less important but I think can help us to understand the problem.
1.- Delay line model (soliton) versus frequencies and rotate speed.
If it is used analog delay lines (we assume it, using LC series cells) there is a contradiction between pulse bandwidth, delay and resonance frequencies to allow the pulse transmission without losses (or with very low losses). I try to explain it:
Consider a 50cm long (linear long, or Pi*diameter) toroid. From the delay point of view, you need 100ms delay order or magnitude for 10Hz rotating signal (100ms total, consider then 10 cells with 10ms per cell delay, for instance). If you build LC cells with this delay (large L and C values), rise time of pulses are very long and the spectrum components are in low frequencies. In other words, it is impossible to transmit high frequencies due to impedance; it is a low-pass filter, keeping these delay times. The only way to make it is using digital delay lines, keeping high frequencies pulses (with AD/DA conversions) ?in memories? and released it at a special time points. Then, the LC network must be tuned at high resonance frequencies, as soliton works.
There is another and evidence question about it: the wavelength  must be cm order of magnitude (consider soliton model) for comparing to toroid length (5cm, for instance) that implies Ghz frequencies (this is without delays considerations). At these frequencies, L and C must have a very very little value.
So, I see an incompatibility between propagation conditions ? frequencies and desires values of pulses, rotating speed ? All can be done but I see difficulties to be done at the same time.
I include a link with an example of analog delay lines if it can help ..
http://www.eettaiwan.com/ARTICLES/2001JUN/2001JUN15_AMD_PL_AN2026.PDF

2.- DC current in output (or ?quasi? DC current).
DC current in a inductance output implies nearly to zero voltaje or ? another model for the output inductance. I mean: the output voltaje in a inductance (the output coil we study) is V=Ldi/dt (the ?usual? model). Then, quasi DC current implies di/dt nearly to zero value ? or ? there is a change in the inductance, then V=Ldi/dt + idL/dt (the ?real? model). Then, if i is a constant, V=idL/dt. This can be if L changes in the time, but how can L change in the time domain? ? Changing :
N: number of turns. It seems not possible.
Mu: permeability. It must be possible, working at saturation levels adding/not adding magnetic fields.
S: Section. It must be possible changing magnetic field space components (direction). (It is similar to Stefan explanation of rotating field), but L has not changes itself.
L: Length: It seems not possible
Then we have two possible parameters: mu and section (field space direction). With a section change, then the flux is changing too and V=-nd(flux)/dt is generated, but L doesn?t change, then it is imposible to get a V with I=constant at the same time changing only effective section of coil (that  is magnetic field space direction). Then, if there is DC currents in the output, must be changes in mu of the output coil or .. I missed anything. In this case, a core is necessary and working in a special nearly to saturation point. (That is the base of magnetic pulse amplifiers).

I want to encourage to all team (a very nice team) to continue investigating these questions, and a special mention to kames and to Stefan for this very good web.
Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 26, 2006, 11:24:35 PM
Hi Orionjf,

Probably Stefan deserves much more than I do. I am practically nobody in this forum. I came here and, I am sorry, I will soon disappear for a long time, after my last post where I am going to explain what the over unity requires and how it can be applied to Steven?s device.
You are almost right but not in everything. To some contradiction to your article have a look at this article:
http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf
The guys are using completely different shape of impulse.

I have never said that I know exactly how to generate that 10 Hz rotating impulse. I just performed a reverse engineering to show what is required to get the same type of output single. What I have said was in my very first post question. That was based on my own experiment some time ago and I didn?t know what to do with that all. As a result I have not continued my experiment but I am going to come back. I have said that for whatever reason in my experiment the output frequency was increasing with increasing the number of turns in the output coil. That happened when I was experimenting with standing wave using short impulses. I have tried to be very careful in wording and explanation to avoid as much as possible different confusions. I have tried to avoid complicated technical aspects in order to avoid writing a long book here.
If you look at one of the attachments in one of my previous post here, you will see a screenshot from two Steven?s coils. One of the screenshots with ABSOLUTELY no doubts shows multiple coils connected in series. Even if I don?t know what it is and how it works but I can safely assume it is important.

What I am going to say now is very speculative (I HAVEN?T tested everything) and I really want to avoid too many questions. I just don?t have that much time to find answer for everything, especially I don?t have all the answers right away.

Now closer to your question. In the article above, a quote from it: ??In addition to maintaining their shape, solitons on the NLTL possess other important properties [3]?[5]. To begin with,
a taller soliton travels faster than a shorter one on the NLTL. Due to this amplitude-dependent speed, as shown in Fig. 2(a), a taller soliton originally placed behind a shorter one catches up with the shorter one and moves ahead of it after a collision. During the collision ??the two solitons do not linearly superpose ??and as a result experience a significant amount of amplitude modulation. After the collision [bottom of Fig. 2(a)], the two solitons return to their original shapes, however, they have acquired a permanent time (phase) shift due to the nonlinear collision ??.?

Just follow me very carefully. Showing above just imagine that one soliton catches up with another always in the same coil among all those sections of coils. Wouldn?t be a ?kind? of standing wave resonance? Yes, but it won?t be rotating yet, however, the impulse width would increase (Fig 2a in the above article), but not useful yet, still too short. Let?s say we send those short impulses into our coils artificially, one after another. Now imagine that we put a little of distortion into it and all the solitons do meet in the same coil but not exactly at the same spot, just a little one behind another. The overall width of the impulse increases dramatically (if not progressively, see Fig 2a in the above article) and becomes much more useful when using standard coils. Such a little shift constitutes a very low speed rotating field or you can look at it as such a called ?running? phase. That is how those 10 Hz can be generated.


Again, I am not 100% sure. The only thing I have tested is increasing the output frequency while increasing the number of turns in the output coil. The rest is just a reverse engineering.

Regards.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 27, 2006, 01:15:26 AM
Hi Orionjf,

Just realized that I missed your second questions. You are saying that ??Then, quasi DC current implies di/dt nearly to zero value ? or ? there?.?. This not true. The di/dt is not zero even with very short and sharp impulses (you can add here Steven?s ?kicks? or you can add here that at the time equal to zero the current of the impulse is much higher because the magnetic flux is always a little behind). Without going into all the details take any high frequency transformer and send, for simplicity, very short square impulses of the same polarity into it. Make sure that when there is no input impulse the input coil is not ?in the air? but shorten by the generator output circuit. The output signal will have impulses of the same polarity, meaning that there are DC and AC components at the same time. If the high frequency transformer can practically replicate short input impulses, it means there is a corresponding magnetic flux change even (and probably important) if the magnetic flux is a always behind a the beginning of the impulse if the previous magnetic flux had enough to time to ?go away?. If there is a corresponding magnetic flux change what prevents it from generating the same impulses by ?cutting? single turns in the output coil if the flux is ?rotating?? When I say high frequency I don?t mean really high frequency. The above is used in a lot of electronic circuits and can be easily reproduced at frequencies as low as 20 kHz represented by short impulses.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: orionjf on February 27, 2006, 04:41:57 AM
Dear Kames,
Your answer to question 1 could be right. Only by two different propagation speeds can be explained this phenomenon: something like a group or phase speed and a ?carrier? speed, using a modulated signal reference. In that case it will be very difficult to tune it, I think.
With regard to question 2, I am not sure. Peaks of current means very large peaks in voltage (remember V depends on di/dt). An inductance ?avoid? peaks of current exactly making peaks of voltage. I don?t say that current peaks can?t be done but if done, then the output is a very high and sharp pulse. If current function is a ?ramp?, voltaje will be a constant (DC) but not viceversa, that is all DC components of current don?t create any output voltage. Only with sin or cos function, v and i follow the ?same? shape because derivative or integral function are the same (with phase corrections). In all other cases, I think only an integration (by capacitors, for instance) can provides DC components.
I agree with you that we need to do a complete reverse engineering.
Best regards

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 27, 2006, 05:05:57 AM
A little of mathematics:
The mentioned di/dt will never results to zero. The more correct mathematical expression would be lim (di/dt) with time -> zero. When a short impulse enters a coil with no magnetic flux left in it, the di will be a much higher number than dt and can be represented by a function like ?k + x^2?. As a result the function lim (di/dt) with time -> zero will result to infinity because the dt is always linear.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 27, 2006, 05:40:29 AM
Hi Orionjf,

Just posted a message but didn't see your reply, That is why I didn't mention your name at the top. My appology.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 27, 2006, 12:49:00 PM
Hallo Steve Mark,

i hope that you still read here because this weekend my head was smoking an i would like to ask you something.

In one of the videos you demonstrate your device which ist connected to a measuring instrument. When you turn it top down the voltage decrease and you had no explanation for it. Now my question:  did you try your device already on the earth south site?

I was also thinking about the exploding TV and the wire found in the the wall. The position in the TV of this wire is NOSW at the  CR tube and also the small coils inside at your device. These small coils are enclosed of a big coil like the primary  coil of the tesla transformer. May be  the direction of winding the small coils is also important. Starting the first "kick" comes from the magnets and the kick is a result of the initial inertia of the free electrons is in the cable. About the control, sure there are condensators, but i dont know how to build it. It could be so, that the small coils successively counter clockwise be induced, so that there it a rotating magnetic field.

regards
Norbert K??ner


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 27, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
It doesn?t let me sleep quietly the thing that is causing so much confusion. When we are talking about DC and AC components at the same time we are talking about a possibility to convert ?quasi? DC to real DC automatically assuming that a capacitor is required.
I am not working any more as an electronic engineer (but still working in IT, I am not that old  -:)), but if anybody here is, correct me if I am wrong. At the time I was working nobody was saying ?quasi? DC, even it is absolutely correct and even a better term. Everybody was saying DC IMPULSES automatically assuming that you can get a real DC component from it if using a capacitor, for example. As simple as is if not stupid. When people were talking about DC and AC components at the same time it was just a spoken language and nothing else. That is how it seats in my brain and I guess probably for other people as well.

However, for Steven?s device:
1)If vortex is involved, it can generate a real DC component
2)If a moving/rotating magnetic impulse can partially looked at as a ?motional field?, it can also generate a real DC component

Sorry for the confusion about DC and AC.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: orionjf on February 28, 2006, 02:22:42 AM
I?m sorry if I introduced some confusion about DC components. For a better common understanding, we can consider the following:
- A pulse (every shape) from -2.5 to 2.5 volts, for instance, has not got any DC component (we assume a symmetric shape negative-positive).
- A pulse from 0 to 5 volts has got a DC component
- Both of them have an AC component (the same!!!).
Right? If right, we understand the same.
Then:
-I think, every DC component doesn?t generate anything in a coil. All emf?s or something like that are generated by AC components (consider the above example, both can ?generated? the same). If there are other cases I am very interesting to know it.
-The signal present in a coil as result of a generated (or transformed) energy will be AC pure signal if the process is reversible (because if a reversible process exists there are two possible outputs with the same input, that is not possible).
I think if DC components are observed, the energy generation process can?t be a reversible process. Then emf?s and analogues process can?t be applied.
Probably we are talking about discontinuities were usual models are not applied (as Kames explained with di/dt). Spark gaps are discontinuities, for example. Some of them are irreversible processes.
Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on February 28, 2006, 03:22:27 AM
Hi everybody,

Took me almost a day to find one article, but finally have found. Will definitely save it on my disk that next time I don?t have to search for it again. Have a look at the next link:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/12.html
Most of the stuff is well know, but search for the next text: ??.A significant difference exists, however, between continuous-mode operation and the sudden starting condition assumed?..?. Think about a short impulse traveling ?ALONE? or a ?kick? and read to the end.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: orionjf on February 28, 2006, 12:30:30 PM
Very interesting article, Kames, thanks.
You can find another in the same web (the back page, http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/11.html ). The first figure is the fundamental idea of magnetic amplifiers. Mix this (amplifier) with soliton concepts and maybe we have a interesting material for studying.
Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on February 28, 2006, 07:14:49 PM
Why should the magnetic shield used in color picture tube?

http://www.thaicrt.com/engfaq.asp#faq5 (http://www.thaicrt.com/engfaq.asp#faq5)


ELF and VLF radiation from deflection yoke

- MPRII
Swedish Low Radiation Standard. Monitors generate both VLF (Very Low Frequencies 0.1KHz to 400 KHz) and ELF (Extremely Low Frequencies 1 Hz - 1000 Hz ) frequencies. These EM fields are generated by the monitor's deflection yoke which positions the electron beams. The horizontal refresh rate generates frequencies in the VLF range, and the vertical refresh rate generates frequencies in the ELF range.
The Swedish National Board of Measurement and Testing developed a set of standards for measuring, and came up with acceptable levels for electro-static potential , alternating electric and magnetic fields.
Hansol monitors limit build-up of electro-static by using an Anti-Static conductive silica coating on the face of the CRT. Emission cancellation coils mounted on the deflection yoke are also used to significantly limit both the VLF and ELF electromagnetic fields.
MPRI Standards created by the Swedish Labor Unions 1986. First version of MPRII. MPRI only addresses VLF 0.1 KHz to 400 KHz.
MPRII Standard created by the Swedish Labor Unions 1987. This defines the level of acceptable emissions ELF, VLF, electric, magnetic and static discharge from monitors.
VLF = Very Low Frequencies 0.1KHz - 400 KHz
ELF - Extremely Low Frequencies 1 Hz - 1000 Hz
MPRII Limits
Electro Static Potential Within + or - 500 volts
Magnetic Field
Band I 2 to 400 KHz < or = to 25 nt
Band II 5 Hz - 2 KHz < or = to 250 nt
Alternating Electric Field
Band I 2 to 400 KHz < or = to 2.5 v/m
Band II 5 Hz - 2 KHz < or = to 25 v/m

http://www.hansol-us.com/tech-support/faq-html/ans20.htm (http://www.hansol-us.com/tech-support/faq-html/ans20.htm)

or http://www.hansol.ca/support_answers.htm (http://www.hansol.ca/support_answers.htm)


Kick start

Another suspicious circuit element in colour monitors is the degaussing circuit (refer Fig. 13). It acts only when the monitor is switched on and lasts only for a few seconds.

The red, green, and blue electron beams are always critically aligned to the corresponding phosphor dots on the face plate. However, local magnetic perturbations can misalign the whole set-up, giving rise to localised colours. Therefore it is necessary to ensure that the shadow mask and the other metal parts inside the CRT are completely demagnetised before the monitor is to be used. The process of demagnetisation is called degaussing.

The degaussing circuit sends AC current through the coil wound around the face of the CRT, generating a gradually diminishing AC magnetic field or H field. A typical degaussing circuit may have a peak-to-peak current of 4.5 to 6 amperes when switched on, and below 2 mA after 30 seconds. It does not perform a little extra job of demagnetising things in the nearby areas including the user.

The applied H field is always directed towards the face of the CRT and operates straight from 220V AC line. So in many establishments, expectant mothers are advised to keep away from colour monitors. It is alleged that while the colour monitor wakes up with a big yawn, the sleeping fetus may be tickled mercilessly.

http://www.electronicsforu.com/efylinux/efyhome/cover/oct2001/pctoxin1.htm (http://www.electronicsforu.com/efylinux/efyhome/cover/oct2001/pctoxin1.htm)






Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on March 01, 2006, 05:49:02 AM
Hi everybody,

Here are my final thoughts about Steven?s device and over unity in general. If there is more, I don?t mind to change my mind, but no promises to answer all of the questions or objections -:), just don?t have time for everything and don?t like promises, especially in the field of free energy. After this post I am going to recover my old experiment that I mentioned before.

In my opinion, there are two major conditions that make the device to be self-running. The first is known to everybody and the second (which I have never mentioned)?., I hope you are not going to start throwing tomatoes at me -:).

1)It is obvious that the main condition is to have something that provides excess of power. In case of Steven? device it is a ?kick?. We can describe the effect as an effect of the earth magnetic field or we can describe it on the paper. Whatever way is easier to explain it for somebody is the best way to go. For me it was a combination of different ways, a little of nature, a little of mathematic and a little of theory. In the reference to the article that I have posted before ( http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/12.html ) the very last picture shows a change of the current that is at least at the first part (especially if you make an impulse shorter) of it can be described as a function ?k + x^2?. That is why I have said that a more correct way to describe the effect would be ?lim (di/dt)? instead of just ?di/dt?. You can also recall a very famous article ?Nothing is something?, which is not directly related but you might like to search for ??..Electrometer readings were always close to parabolic, thus indicating that the source was of infinite capacity?..?.
By the way, would Steven?s device work out of space?
2)And here is the second condition, where I probably should cover my head, just in case -:). You would be really surprised if I say that even the excess of power is not enough to make the device to be self-running. You need the device to be ABLE to transfer more energy from input to output, or you can say you need unequal behavior between input and output (do not look only at coils even if the coils are all you have). You can use my example with a simple transformer with the time splitting, or Sweet Floyd device with standard and bifilar coils, or a transformer from a standard computer switching power supply, or Steven?s device with the output frequency greater than the base input shown as a vibration and/or gyroscopic effect. Obviously, there are much more examples but it is not that simple in every case to determine what can possibly constitute it. ?Most? of the time the ability of the device to be self-running is determined by the ratio ?output/input?. But let me ask you a question, if both arguments go to infinity, what would be the result? That is where a more correct way would be to say ?lim (output/input) with load -> to infinity?. In other words, you have to determine which part is going to infinity FASTER.

That is it.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 01, 2006, 06:58:56 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 01, 2006, 07:37:41 PM
What is the simplest experiment to see this 'kick' on a scope, so one can measure it ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: DRAKE on March 02, 2006, 02:06:52 AM
HI All
        Iv been reading alot this seems to be making me think overtime.

Charged particles, like electrons and positive ions, cannot readily move across a magnetic field line. They can move fine along the field lines. In the cosmic arena, these charged particles will take the place of the compass needle in helping us visualize magnetic field lines. The point to remember here, for later discussion, is that a charged particle?s motion is constrained by a magnetic field, but a neutral particle?s (an atom or a molecule) is not.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on March 03, 2006, 06:49:01 AM
My take on the generator ring is:  The magnets on top are used to set up a magnetic field from a permanent magnet ring torid.  This field is close in strength to that of the earth, which is why the magnets are not directly attached to the ring, but are just close.  It provides a 'mask' or a beat frequency like an AM radio (but in this case a permanent magnetic field to beat with the earth's magnetic field).  The coil on the lower torid, is cut to a length that equals the beat frequency difference that is realized at the point of the coil on the lower torid. I speculate that the coil is not an open coil, but a closed coil to resonate near 5kz. (The frequency that is created by a repeating occurance of a cancelling of the magnetic field on the lower ring after the magnetic field of the top ring is beat together with the earth's magnetic field (which is delayed due to distance of travel time), the difference resulting in a harmonic (5kz) of the earth's magnetic field compared to the local permanent magnet field). 

In short it creates a pulsing of a magnetic field on the lower torid which induces a voltage in the lower coil when 'tuned in' to the frequency of the beating together of these magnetic fields.

Am I getting close Mr. SM?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on March 03, 2006, 04:50:05 PM
The kick implies to me that Mr. SM is introducing a frequency in the lower coil that invokes a pulse back of greater magnitude to start the system producing or oscillating.  Then the power is self sustaining?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on March 04, 2006, 01:59:16 AM
Hi all,
Steven aked me to post this

Dear Lindsay,
I am perplexed that everyone thinks that GOOGLE is an accredited reference source.
It is NOT.
Google is a search engine. It is different then a reference library.
And it is very different then a SCIENCE LIBRARY.
NO accredited scientist does any serious reference work sitting at home with GOOGLE.
Google is comprised of information specifically put into in by interested parties.
No scientific information placed there by libraries.
People need to realize this before they die from lack of serious information.
Go to a library!
Sincerely,
SM


Please to not take this as anything but something to further you knowledge... Nothing that steven has revealed is wrong
he really is trying to help people understand his technology ....not DUPLICATE.

Re read this long thread ...relax  perhaps some of it will fit.

Every body want somebody else to solve their problems and work out the puzzle.

Large peices of the jigsaw ARE here ...Im sorry to sound condesending.


Lindsay Mannix
 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on March 04, 2006, 02:08:08 AM
These may be obvious questions... but -

When and where can I buy this device?
 
This has been working since 1997... right?  Is Steven off the grid?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on March 04, 2006, 06:44:40 AM
Perhaps Mr. SM could "bring us along" since we all do not have science libraries available?  This is turning out to be an extremely drawn out process that really does not need to take that much time to convey.  Perhaps if we pick up the speed a little?  I am concerned that we will loose our audience or put them to sleep at this pace of the chase.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 04, 2006, 03:42:11 PM
Hallo Steve and Lindsay,

i am glad to see that you give me answer to my question.

Just a bit more from Steven

DEAR LINDSAY,
PLEASE POST THIS RESPONCE TO THE QUESTIONS HE HAS ASKED.
 
Hallo Steve Mark,

i hope that you still read here because this weekend my head was smoking an i would like to ask you something.

In one of the videos you demonstrate your device which ist connected to a measuring instrument. When you turn it top down the voltage decrease and you had no explanation for it. Now my question:  did you try your device already on the earth south site?
 
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?


It is nice to hear, that my assumption are correct.

You look at this site (unfortunately only in German) but i hope the picture can help you to find an answer of your question and also something similar to your device. the truth question is, from where comes the magnetic force and what is it. I dont know.

http://home.arcor.de/freie.energie/grundlagen/grundlagen.htm (http://home.arcor.de/freie.energie/grundlagen/grundlagen.htm)

And also you read Viktor Schauberger, i think there you can also read something similar to your device, i'm sure.


http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_4.htm (http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_4.htm)

For me i was first thinking about the coriolis force (its mor an effect than a known force). hurricans has a left spin on north and vice-versa on south, seen from above and vice-versa seen from down.

http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es1904/es1904page01.cfm?chapter_no=visualization
 (http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es1904/es1904page01.cfm?chapter_no=visualization)


I was also thinking about the exploding TV and the wire found in the the wall. The position in the TV of this wire is NOSW at the  CR tube and also the small coils inside at your device. These small coils are enclosed of a big coil like the primary  coil of the tesla transformer. May be  the direction of winding the small coils is also important. Starting the first "kick" comes from the magnets and the kick is a result of the initial inertia of the free electrons is in the cable. About the control, sure there are condensators, but i dont know how to build it. It could be so, that the small coils successively counter clockwise be induced, so that there it a rotating magnetic field.

regards
Norbert K??ner
 
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES  PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR.  THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.


I read all your posts again carefully and you said already that many of short wires gives more current as voltage out. Last time i open an flyback transformer and i was really surprised to see how thin the wire (as thin as a hair) of the secondary coil is. So we have to pump very fast (frequenzy) to get out high pressure (voltage) acceleration and sufficient electrons (current).  It is known that at high frequencies most of the electrons are flowing at the wires surface (for me i think not only).  So it makes sense to connect many very thin wire to a bigger one to get out a lot of electrons (more current). I'm sure you know the water drop generator of lord kelvin. Someone made this of a leader plate with one spiral and improved so the effect. It would be surely better if he had made it with plenty of thin spiral and connected to one end. (Just this moment i'm thinking is it somehow possible to biuld with this device  a resonant circuit?) Hmm!     

http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/RSUltraschall/html/proj7d.htm (http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/RSUltraschall/html/proj7d.htm)

So i think there are two rings in your device with such kind of spiral in opposite direction.  To feel the "kick" it is important to have plenty of thin wire twisted to one cable.   

Did you read already something about planar transformators? They are very small and efficient (over 95%).

http://virtual-magnetics.de/ptdeutsch/pt.htm  (http://virtual-magnetics.de/ptdeutsch/pt.htm)
http://www.neosid.de/planartr.htm  (http://www.neosid.de/planartr.htm)

Because of less experience in electronics i'm still not sure how you manage your device and if there is really a tube somewhere hidden! ;-)

regards
Norbert

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on March 05, 2006, 12:55:25 PM
Hi everybody,

Steven asked us a question: ?YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY??

Did anybody try to find an answer?
My curiosity is too high. There are two theories that start fitting each other beautifully. May I try to answer this question? If anybody else has an answer or explanation, or any objections, please let everybody know.
Otherwise, I will try to answer the question, no later then by the end of my day. Please don?t take my answers as the absolute truth, I might be very wrong.

Regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gyulasun on March 05, 2006, 05:43:21 PM
Hi All,

Reading through the threads here I think the answer to Steven question is that once his device needs the Earth magnetic field to operate, then it works in reverse due to the change of the magnetic flux when one passes the Equator? (i.e.? North pole - South pole of the Earth as a gigantic magnet).? More precisely if we imagine the Earth as fat rod or rather a sphere magnet and probe it with a Gauss meter that has a pole identification feature, the meter flips when going from North to South or vice versa.? Correct?

Norbert included an interesting link in German language and I think online language translators can be used to make it much more understandable for those not reading in German, see for instance? ? ?http://webtranslation.paralink.com/?

and copy/paste the link which you wish to read in English and choose  the Direction of the translation German-English (or other language) and click translate. It gives at least a 90% correct English text which is very good for those not knowing any German.

Regards
Gyula
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 05, 2006, 10:00:21 PM

 
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,? ?THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?

Possibly the same reason why tornados turn in one direction in the north hemisphere and in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: kames on March 06, 2006, 02:00:26 AM
The answer to Steven question, why the device is working in reverse on another side of the equator is very simple but the explanation is not. The answer is because his device is making use of the earth magnetic field.
I can see two major types of the magnetic devices. One type is observing the magnetic flux from outside, like many standard devices, and making use of the force lines, such as ?cutting? them. The second type is observing the magnetic flux by being within the flux itself, ie being inside it and making use of the energy flow. The energy flow on both sides of the magnet is exiting the magnet, not entering, and entering back to the magnet in the middle, such as on the equator. On one side the energy flow has one polarity on another side the energy flow has a different polarity. I would avoid saying just positive and negative. As a result, if the earth magnetic field is used to generate the ?kicks? and/or the rotating field, the direction/polarity of the ?kick(s)? and/or the rotating field would change in reverse on another side of the equator.
Howard Johnston in his book ?The Secret World of Magnets? with a very simple electronic experiment showed the energy flow of the magnet. His electronic experiment, if doesn?t prove it completely, makes a very tough point about it and it is very difficult to neglect.

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 06, 2006, 10:34:52 AM
Hi All,

Norbert included an interesting link in German language and I think online language translators can be used to make it much more understandable for those not reading in German, see for instance     http://webtranslation.paralink.com/ 

Regards
Gyula

thanks for this translator. It translate english to german also very well. for writing english i use the help of googles language tool. and you know, they call it in german "Sprachtool" and this is a mixing of german and english (=GENGLISH?).

regards
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 06, 2006, 10:55:53 AM
What is the simplest experiment to see this 'kick' on a scope, so one can measure it ?

Probably not with an osilloscope.  The phenomenon, if it exists, would only be discernible at voltages in the hundreds of thousands of volts range and it would not register as a voltage spike.  It is excess energy but not in the form of an increased current.  Rather, one should regard it as a burst of magnetic current flowing outside the conductor.


For my understanding Steven means that the cable  real mechanically jumps. You look to the jumper cable (one site shortened) and you can really see that there is a short twitch whenfirst connecting to a car battery.

regards
 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 06, 2006, 02:48:31 PM
Hi all,
Steven aked me to post this

Dear Lindsay,
I am perplexed that everyone thinks that GOOGLE is an accredited reference source.
It is NOT.
Google is a search engine. It is different then a reference library.
And it is very different then a SCIENCE LIBRARY.
NO accredited scientist does any serious reference work sitting at home with GOOGLE.
Google is comprised of information specifically put into in by interested parties.
No scientific information placed there by libraries.
People need to realize this before they die from lack of serious information.
Go to a library!
Sincerely,
SM


Please to not take this as anything but something to further you knowledge... Nothing that steven has revealed is wrong
he really is trying to help people understand his technology ....not DUPLICATE.

Re read this long thread ...relax  perhaps some of it will fit.

Every body want somebody else to solve their problems and work out the puzzle.

Large peices of the jigsaw ARE here ...Im sorry to sound condesending.


Lindsay Mannix
 


Hallo Steven,

what you mean with  serious information? who decides which information is serious? lets talk about the internet and not google. google is only a surch engine. For me the internet is the biggest brain on earth. Here you can get inspiration and exchange of thoughts with other peoples around the world, like with you.

Yours sincerely
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 06, 2006, 08:29:02 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: DRAKE on March 09, 2006, 07:07:15 AM
If lightning isnt caused by clouds rubbing through the air, It maybe that the clouds act like big cappacitors
and collect this earth electo magnetic energy traveling between the earth and the ionesphere, and short out when thy get full of it. Iv read that theres a lightning strike 100 times every second somewhere on earth, thats alot of energy.
Now if water spirals down plugholes anticlockwise in the northern hemisphere and visa versa, and if maybe that is more about electro magnetics than water pesay, or do clouds and water have some affinity to magnetic fields,
 which way will the rottating magnetic flux rotate on the eqator?
Does the SM coil act like a botomless sink that just keeps spinning faster and farster?
how do we control the speed and how do we start it turning?


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mannix on March 10, 2006, 05:43:51 AM
Hi all,
 A bit more from Steven

Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 
Dear Stephen,
 
Thank you for your kind words of sympathy regarding my loss. We both share similar feelings.
 
In your letter you asked my opinion:  I think it is a miracle that your device works. Exactly how it converts energy is elusive to both of us at this time. That does not mean we shouldn't apply ourselves to know for sure. My offer to work with you still stands. I understand your difficulties with the gentlemen you work for and I will not take your decision personally. I will be glad to talk to you and help you all I can. My offer to work on the project was made with the greatest respect and not as some kind of justification to the Foremost Corporation. I told them that from what I could see of your units they did supply substantial amounts of both voltage and current. I told them I could not give any indication of the value of the discovery without knowing more about it. I did recommend that they invest necessary funds to continue working on the discovery and that I was interested in working with you. That is about all I said to them on the subject. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is not true.
 
To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your units.  There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought. Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector coils.
 
You may also leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
 
Sincerely,
 
Roland
 
Lindsay,
That is the reason why the power inverter is always placed well outside the coils of the power units shown in the videos.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on March 11, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
Lindsay,

I have a question for Stephen.  Why has his invention been dormant over the years?  Why have we not seen any devices out on the market yet or heard any updates about it?  What is the status of his device?
I think the guys are interested in a device to power their personal homes, and this would seem to be a great device to do it with.

Thank you!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 11, 2006, 06:28:18 PM

Here we go again

KICK
Lots of kicks
One big kick
lots of big kicks
A collector that is excited by lots of big kicks
Our Magnetic radio tunes in to something else and starts collecting


sounds like a cascade and magnetic radio sounds like a detector http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917de.htm (http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917de.htm).
there was a time they listen radio without any battery.

Any body who wants to give up should do so without discouraging others from continuing..in what ever it may be .

If you think its too hard ..you are absolutely and completely right! well done .

There has been a lot revealed here

Give up if you like... I wont

No, not yet.

look to my attachment. it shows a drawing of how i think it could work. Steven said to me there is a rotating magnetic field.  just tell me if i am on the right way.

the large rings has only few turns of many thin insolated wires, like a litz. these two rings are wound with copper-wire coils with alternating number of turns (the golden ratio i think is a good choice) and then connected as in the drawing shown so that it become a rotating magnetig field.

It is only what i'm thinking, so dont laugh on me if i'm wrong.

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 13, 2006, 11:02:13 AM
Hallo Lindsay,

did you see already this devices with your own eyes in reality?
what about the video you want to show us, where we can see the rotating compass needle? I would like also to see this one.

Where he puts the magnet in the big toroid coil? somewhere in the center to the control unit? This part or place where he puts the magnet is there iron or other magnetic material involve?


Thanks Norbert,

Nice diagram and inspiring!

I was beginnng to think that nobody was absorbing the descriptions here.

Worth experimenting with



Ok, when i'm reading around this forum, then it looks like there was some conversation via email between you and lancaIV that lankaIV gets angry. Maybe because of the monkey see, monkey do? And what says me your answer? Hmm

regards
Norbert

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 13, 2006, 02:08:38 PM
Norbert, where do you see so many coils on the cores in which video ?
I can see maximum 4 coils on one core...
Also as your coils are shown NS NS NS etc.., the flux would be totally inside the core
and not coming out of the core into the air as it would be with the animated GIF.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 13, 2006, 03:05:48 PM
Norbert, where do you see so many coils on the cores in which video ?
I can see maximum 4 coils on one core...
Also as your coils are shown NS NS NS etc.., the flux would be totally inside the core
and not coming out of the core into the air as it would be with the animated GIF.

Hallo Harti,

ich stelle mir das mal so vor, dass es eine gro?e Spule  ist (quasi als ersatz f?r den eisenkern) mit m?glichst vielen d?nnen von einander isolierten dr?hten  (wie bei einer HF-Litze). Auf dieser gro?en Spule sitzen dann die vielen kleinen Spulen mit unterschiedlicher wicklungszahl durch die dann der "kick" l?uft, ?hnlich  wie beim HOPE. Woher soll sonst das rotierende magnetfeld kommen, das hat doch Steven ganz klar erw?hnt!?  In den videos sind zwei ringe mit einem gewissen abstand zueinander zu erkennen. Also k?nnte man sich doch vorstellen das die gro?e Spule im unteren ring fortgesetzt wird nur das dann die verbindungsreihenfolge der unteren spulen umgekehrt verl?uft bei gleichbleibender stromflu?richtung. Steven hatte etwas von einem ball und rotantio eines feldes erw?hnt :

Quote from: Steven Mark
17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?

Wie soll man es sich sonst vorstellen was er meint? Die beiden gro?en ringe stellen die nord- und die s?dseite der erde dar. Ich denke mal das sich um das ganze ger?t sobald es "hochgefahren ist" eine gro?es magnetfeld aufbaut ?hnlich wie das erdmagnetfeld.

Hab das jetzt mal in deutsch geschrieben, in englisch w?r mir das jetzt zu umst?ndlich gewesen.

Gru?
Norbert



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 14, 2006, 04:41:11 AM
Norbert and all,
the question really is, if Steven?s toroidal coils are
really wired like a repelling fluxfield inside the core, so the
magnet field will go out in the air like this:

(http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif)

( This arrangement and rotation can also be got by
using 90 degrees phase shifter control circuit all total solid state)

or if it is like Norbert said in a NS NS NS NS fashion,
so the flux stays inside the core like the flux of a normal
transformer.
But if the flux stays inside the core I don?t see, how he can
get a compass to rotate in the center of the toroid !

Also there seems to be at least 3 different units,
so each could be designed different...
The main question is, how the coils are wound
and how these "kicks" could be superimposed to get a real
positive feedback circuit which is oscillating with its own power
from these kicks.

Too bad, nobodyhas yet scanned in the pages from the valve book,
where the reference to the kicks are.
Maybe some user from the USA can go to his library and scan in the
pages about these kicks ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 14, 2006, 04:47:47 AM
I wonder, if you let rotate 2 of these toroids close at each other
and one toroid?s magnetic flux field turns left around and the other right around,
what kind of superimposed Moiree-Magnetic field pattern will be created in the
airgap around it and if this is enough to get an output coil a few inches
away to induce enough power (about 1 KWatts)  like it is shown in the biggest unit ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 14, 2006, 09:37:32 AM
I wonder, if you let rotate 2 of these toroids close at each other
and one toroid?s magnetic flux field turns left around and the other right around,
what kind of superimposed Moiree-Magnetic field pattern will be created in the
airgap around it and if this is enough to get an output coil a few inches
away to induce enough power (about 1 KWatts)  like it is shown in the biggest unit ?


I'm also wondering why the HOPE generator is functioning. the only which we can do are eperiments around it to find out.

When you break a magnet you get two new magnets with a north and a south pol and wehn you put two magnet together you get one big magnet. And what about the earth? How the magnetic force and/or field of the earth is generatet?
the two toroid rings become two magnets which are mutually attracting and with opposite rotating magnetic field. And yes, it's crazy to think so.

The Tesla-transformer was build without an iron core but when it comes to coils we think automatically of a iron core like in the animation in your previous post. Why?

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: DRAKE on March 15, 2006, 02:25:27 PM
Hi every body,
                  Can anyone tell me what bayling wire is exactly ?
  and can anyone give me a link to the hope generator/
    Thanks
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 15, 2006, 07:06:29 PM
Hallo to all,

today i made a test with what i'm thinking how it works. unfortunately the wire gone out so that I could not wind the other ring. I used a 6V Pb-accumulator to produce small sparks and it shows me a flashing light emitting diode. it gives a better result when the anode of the diode is connected to the +pol of the accumulator.

vielleicht ist es ja m?glich das SM mit dem magneten einen art funkeninduktor ansteuert. das kabel f?r den ring ist ein lautsprecherkabel mit gen?gend d?nnen dr?hten, die aber leider nicht einzeln voneinander isoliert sind . war auch nur mal so f?r einen schnellen versuch gedacht und das ganze ist auch nur zusammengewurstelt, ich gebe es zu. leider habe ich keine messger?te um genaueres sagen zu k?nnen.

regards
Gru?
Norbert


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on March 15, 2006, 10:39:20 PM
Mannix,

Please ask SM if one compass is placed slightly above the coil and another placed slightly below the coil if both compasses will rotate in exactly the same direction, in unison, and in timing.

Thanks,

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 20, 2006, 01:08:46 AM
Here is a page 262 scan courtousy of Jason Owens from
the Valve book !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 20, 2006, 01:16:10 AM
When I understand it right, "kick" means in this interpretation a mechanical jump
inside the earth field, but this is just a magnetical caused mechanical movement
and not an electrial induction pulse.... so this is probably not the effect we are looking for...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 20, 2006, 02:07:58 AM
Hi Lanca,
normally we have Barkhausen jumps only in Iron material, if I remember
correctly. But this is a tungsten wire in a valve...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 20, 2006, 04:41:16 PM
That "kick" needs current to exist.

So, some uS (or mS) after the power is turned on, a HUGE current will flow in the filament,
generating a magnetic field that causes a slight filament movement due to the earth magnetic field.

Is this the same effect Tesla mentioned? The very first instant of a circuit closure?

Is the reciprocal valid? A slight movement will generate a huge current on the wire?



http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/tesla.htm (http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/tesla.htm)

The Unusual Radiations Produced by Nikola Tesla
(c) Robert Neil Boyd

    "Secrets of Cold War Technology", a book by Gerry Vassilatos

    OVERVIEW:

    "The sudden quick closure of the switch now brought a penetrating shockwave throughout the laboratory, one which could be felt both as a sharp pressure and a penetrating electrical irritation. A "sting". Face and hands were especially sensitive to the explosive shockwaves, which also produced a curious "stinging" effect at close range...

    "Tesla shielded himself with several materials. The arrangement of rapidly interrupted high voltage direct currents resulted in the radiation of stinging rays which could be felt at great distances from their super-sparking source. In fact, Tesla felt the stings right through the shields! Whatever had been released from the wires during the instant of switch closure, successfully penetrated the shields of glass and of copper. It made no difference, the effect permeated each substance as if the shield were not there at all...

    "Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest...

    "The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure... He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field...

    "By properly adjusting the inherent circuit parameters, Tesla learned how to produce an extremely rapid series of unidirectional impulses on demand. When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects. Able to feel the stinging shocks, though shielded at a distance of nearly fifty feet from his apparatus...

    "Controlling the rapidity of current blowout in the magnetic DC arc, Tesla released a new spectrum of light-like energies throughout his large gallery space. These energetic species were like no other which the world has since seen. Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature..."

    FURTHER DETAIL:

    TESLA RADIANT ENERGY:
    SHOCKWAVES

    "... while endeavoring toward his own means for identifying electrical waves, Tesla was blessed with an accidental observation which forever changed the course of his experimental investigations. Indeed, it was an accident which forever changed the course of his life and destiny. In his own attempts to achieve where he felt Hertz had failed, Tesla developed a powerful method by which he hoped to generate and detect real electromagnetic waves. Part of this apparatus required the implementation of a very powerful capacitor bank. This capacitor "battery" was charged to very high voltages, and subsequently discharged through short copper bus-bars. The explosive bursts thus obtained produced several coincident phenomena which deeply impressed Tesla, far exceeding the power of any electrical display he had ever seen. These proved to hold an essential secret which he was determined to uncover.

    The abrupt sparks, which he termed "disruptive discharges", were found capable of exploding wires into vapor. They propelled very sharp shockwaves, which struck him with great force across the whole front of his body. Of this surprising physical effect, Tesla was exceedingly intrigued. Rather like gunshots of extraordinary power than electrical sparks, Tesla was completely absorbed in this new study. Electrical impulses produced effects commonly associated only with lightning. The explosive effects reminded him of similar occurrences observed with high voltage DC generators. A familiar experience among workers and engineers, the simple closing of a switch on a high voltage dynamo often brought a stinging shock, the assumed result of residual static charging.

    This hazardous condition only occurred with the sudden application of high voltage DC. This crown of deadly static charge stood straight out of highly electrified conductors, often seeking ground paths which included workmen and switchboard operators. In long cables, this instantaneous charge effect produced a hedge of bluish needles, pointing straight away from the line into the surrounding space. The hazardous condition appeared briefly, at the very instant of switch closure. The bluish sparking crown vanished a few milliseconds later, along with the life of any unfortunate who happened to have been so "struck". After the brief effect passed, systems behaved as designed. Such phenomena vanished as charges slowly saturated the lines and systems. After this brief surge, currents flowed smoothly and evenly as designed.

    The effect was a nuisance in small systems. But in large regional power systems where voltages were excessive, it proved deadly. Men were killed by the effect, which spread its deadly electrostatic crown of sparks throughout component systems. Though generators were rated at a few thousand volts, such mysterious surges represented hundreds of thousands, even millions of volts. The problem was eliminated through the use of highly insulated, heavily grounded relay switches. Former engineering studies considered only those features of power systems which accommodated the steady state supply and consumption of power. It seemed as though large systems required both surge and normal operative design considerations. Accommodating the dangerous initial "supercharge" was a new feature. This engineering study became the prime focus of power companies for years afterward, safety devices and surge protectors being the subject of a great many patents and texts.

    Tesla knew that the strange supercharging effect was only observed at the very instant in which dynamos were applied to wire lines, just as in his explosive capacitor discharges. Though the two instances were completely different, they both produced the very same effects. The instantaneous surge supplied by dynamos briefly appeared super-concentrated in long lines. Tesla calculated that this electrostatic concentration was several orders in magnitude greater than any voltage which the dynamo could supply. The actual supply was somehow being amplified or transformed. But how?...

    The high voltage of the dynamo exerted such an intense unidirectional pressure on the densified charges that alternations were impossible. The only possible backrushes were oscillations. In this case, charges surged and stopped in a long series until the supercharge was wasted away. All parameters which forced such oscillations actually limited the supercharge from manifesting its total energetic supply, a condition Tesla strove to eliminate. Indeed he spent an excessive time developing various means to block every "backrush" and other complex current echo which might forced the supercharge to prematurely waste its dense energy. Here was an effect demanding a single unidirectional super pulse. With both the oscillations and alternations eliminated, new and strange effects began making their appearance. These powerful and penetrating phenomena were never observed when working with high frequency alternations...

    The sudden quick closure of the switch now brought a penetrating shockwave throughout the laboratory, one which could be felt both as a sharp pressure and a penetrating electrical irritation. A "sting". Face and hands were especially sensitive to the explosive shockwaves, which also produced a curious "stinging" effect at close range. Tesla believed that material particles approaching the vapor state were literally thrust out of the wires in all directions. In order to better study these effects, he poised himself behind a glass shield and resumed the study. Despite the shield, both shockwaves and stinging effects were felt by the now mystified Tesla. This anomaly provoked a curiosity of the very deepest kind, for such a thing was never before observed. More powerful and penetrating than the mere electrostatic charging of metals, this phenomenon literally propelled high voltage charge out into the surrounding space where it was felt as a stinging sensation. The stings lasting for a small fraction of a second, the instant of switch closure. But Tesla believed that these strange effects were a simple effect of ionized shockwaves in the air, rather like a strongly ionized thunderclap.

    Tesla devised a new series of experiments to measure the shockwave pressure from a greater distance. He required an automatic "trip switch". With this properly arranged, a more controlled and repetitious triggering of the effect was possible. In addition, this arrangement permitted distant observations which might cast more light on the shield-permeating phenomenon. Controlling the speed of the high voltage dynamo controlled the voltage. With these components properly adjusted, Tesla was able to walk around his large gallery spaces and make observations. Wishing also to avoid the continuous pressure barrage and its stinging sparks, Tesla shielded himself with several materials. The arrangement of rapidly interrupted high voltage direct currents resulted in the radiation of stinging rays which could be felt at great distances from their super-sparking source. In fact, Tesla felt the stings right through the shields! Whatever had been released from the wires during the instant of switch closure, successfully penetrated the shields of glass and of copper. It made no difference, the effect permeated each substance as if the shield were not there at all. Here was an electrical effect which communicated directly through space without material connections. Radiant electricity!...

    RADIANT ELECTRICITY

    Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had already realized the significance of this unexpected effect The idea of bringing this strange and wondrous new phenomenon to its full potential already suggested thrilling new possibilities in his mind. He completely abandoned research and development of alternating current systems after this event, intimating that a new technology was about to unfold.

    The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure. Thus far, Tesla employed rotating contact switches to produce his unidirectional impulses. When these mechanical impulse systems failed to achieve the greatest possible effects, Tesla sought a more "automatic" and powerful means. He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field...

    By properly adjusting the inherent circuit parameters, Tesla learned how to produce an extremely rapid series of unidirectional impulses on demand. When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects. Able to feel the stinging shocks, though shielded at a distance of nearly fifty feet from his apparatus, Tesla recognized at once that a new potential for electrical power transmission had been revealed to him. Tesla was first to understand that electrical shock waves represented a new means for transforming the world... Tesla found it impossible to measure a diminution in radiant force at several hundred yards...

    Also, Tesla wished to determine the effect of gradually decreased impulse durations required greatest skill and precaution. Tesla knew that he would be exposing himself to mortal danger. Controlling the rapidity of current blowout in the magnetic DC arc, Tesla released a new spectrum of light-like energies throughout his large gallery space. These energetic species were like no other which the world has since seen. Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials.

    With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla."
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 20, 2006, 06:25:59 PM
That "kick" needs current to exist.

So, some uS (or mS) after the power is turned on, a HUGE current will flow in the filament,
generating a magnetic field that causes a slight filament movement due to the earth magnetic field.

Is this the same effect Tesla mentioned? The very first instant of a circuit closure?

Is the reciprocal valid? A slight movement will generate a huge current on the wire?

In the valve book above it is written, that the huge current is only flowing,
cause the resistance is much lower in cold condition of the filament
and the circuit was designed with the filament being hot to have the
correct resistance... so the  mechanical kick comes only
from the much higher current from cold filaments and their
movement inside the earthfield.
But this is no electrical induction kick which Steven has spoken of.
So where is the electrical induction kick ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 23, 2006, 01:53:36 PM

So please start making kicks interact with other kicks .. you never know you might just strike gold!

Interesting that the KICK was the first thing that Steven chose to reveal.



I think a good way of doing this experiment is using a power mosfet and a pulse generator.


Yes, but what are you pulsing with the Power Mosfet ?
A transformer ? What kind of transformer ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on March 24, 2006, 12:10:35 AM
Tesla harnessed the "kick" by discharging caps across a spark gap.  The information previous about the duration are correct.

I believe the spark is led by an ionization... just like lightning.  Apparently this ionization would run up the coil. That appears to be more capacitance than inductance.  So maybe then there is no current at all in the coil (at 100ms) and so there is zero inductance.
So it's electrostatic in nature?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 24, 2006, 02:32:26 PM

So please start making kicks interact with other kicks .. you never know you might just strike gold!
Interesting that the KICK was the first thing that Steven chose to reveal.
Good kick Hunting!



Quote from: Steven Mark

There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand". I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it. In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!


did somebody also try out already this?

could it be that the magnet gives the first "kick" but this kick is separated in two "kicks" flowing then in opposite direction?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on March 24, 2006, 11:44:22 PM

hallo to all,

look at this sites maybe they can help us to understand the "KICK".

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html)
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html)

and in german translation

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/fresonant.html (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/fresonant.html)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on March 25, 2006, 12:03:24 AM
Thanks Renseak for the interesting link !

This is the condition we need to get:

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/runaway.gif

I have to study thus further.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: koostos on March 25, 2006, 05:25:19 AM
Some interesting data on Stephen Mark !!


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Please don?t post this disinformation crap over here again.
Thanks. ( moderator)

Raymond Dale?s postings are disinformation.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on March 30, 2006, 09:07:21 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Jack Dominico on March 31, 2006, 08:32:52 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/gb191301098.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm#notes

It occurs to me that the SM unit appears to be a solid state compact functional version of the Roy Meyers device of 1913 as listed above.

Question: Is there any strongly diamagnetic material involved in the SM unit or is diamagnetism known to be involved in the oveall process?

As an aside, below is a facinating display of what appears to me to involve more than just diamagnetic levitation. The silver disk shows resistance to being moved, and once moved it wants to stay in one place. However, is spins quite easily in place. Yet..it will lift the bar below it...facinating.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/03/magnet.html

Certainly gravity, which appears to be a "push" force ...or perhaps gravity is a secondary effect of another primary force...it would appear to effect the SM unit in regard to it ceasing when turned upside down...this would also indicate that perhaps whatever resonance or energy exchange that is occurring may be using the "top" of the unit as it's focal point for transceiving same. The gyroscopic effect adds further indications. Tesla's theory of gravity involves Radiant Energy flowing into the Earth and having an effect on the material above the surface (as I understand it).? Also, Bill Lyne is absolutely sure that the space-time continuum is made rigid by high frequency, very high voltage waveforms and can then be pulled against using electrical DC high voltage - sounds rather like the way the SM unit reacts.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 02, 2006, 10:04:45 AM
Hi all,
I found this site yesterday off a link on Keelynet.  I have read thru this thread only once, but I got so excited, I thought I would jump in.  I didn't want to be left out of this bit of history.

I am a retired musician, but I have always had an interest in science.  Not mathematical, but practical.

In regards to the initial kick, reference was made about Tesla in the "Lost Science" book.  A better reference in the same book was about T. Townsend Brown on page 237 when he observed the heavy cables jump up when a plasma tube was demonstrated when he was a young lad in school.  He observed the cable jump up when first energized, and a second jump when the current stopped.  The first jump was bigger than the second jump.  This led to his career path and dream of creating a spacedrive.

When I studied electronics, it was vacuum tubes.  The class project was for each student to build his own 5 tube superheterodyne receiver.  In a superhet, a strong frequency is beat against the weak radio signal.  This creates a third frequency which is the difference or the sum of the  two frequencies.  This signal is much stronger than the weak original radio signal, and this is what is amplified downstream.

Here is my take on what Steven Mark has kindly decided to give of his time.  Of course I am just a musician, I could be way off target?

The heart of the generator is three coils next to each other.  The primary coil is part of a tank circuit that is tuned to oscillate around 180,000 hertz.  This is the supposedly natural frequency of magnetism as per Coler device or MRA, if my memory serves me right?
When the magnet is inserted, it provides the initial kick to put this primary coil into oscillation.  The secondary coil is part of a tank circuit that is tuned just 7.3hertz lower or higher than the primary circuit.  The two higher frequencies will beat against each other creating this third frequency of 7.3 hertz.  This is the frequency of the third coil tank circuit.  The natural Schumann resonant frequency reinforces this cycle, which in turn reinforces the other two coils because they are all closely coupled. The slightly out of phase circuits create a virtual wave that chases itself around the torus creating the magnetic vortex.   Power is taken off the capacitor of the appropriate tank circuit. 

I hope this helps?
tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 02, 2006, 01:33:12 PM
Put the whole thing in a gyro and it'll go anywhere :)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 02, 2006, 06:40:16 PM
The whole thing about using two frequencies to net a third sounds reasonable.  And certainly the theory of the position of the magnet makes sense...

I really like this theory. :)  But like all theories it must be tested... and towards that end... allow me to play "devil's advocate" :D

If the third circuit resonates at a frequency that pulls energy in from a resonate cavity (between the earth and the ionosphere) then why isn't it charging all the time?
Doesn't the theory require an assumption that the third circuit is capable of pulling energy from "the aether" - does that mean it should be able to work without the other two circuits?

But that is a mute point for now.  I only bring it up because it is the essence of the theory.... that the thrid coil pulls energy from something.

Alsio - are we sure the circuits are tank circuits?  In a resonate tank circuit, the reactance of the coil should be eliminated.  This is not what appears to be happening with the device - i.e. the gyroscopic effect.
Maybe caps are in series with the coils?  This would draw as much current as possible.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 02, 2006, 11:20:13 PM
Hi all,

The third resonant frequency (Schumann) is too weak to overcome losses by itself to sustain resonance.  Or, if it could sustain resonance in a circuit,  as soon as you tried to extract power, it would stop.

Let me explain again the superhet principal that made radio come of age from the crystal sets.
The weak radio station tuned to receive is mixed with a stronger frequency in a tube.  When you mix two frequencies together, you create two additional frequencies.  One is the sum of the two original frequencies and the other is the difference between the two frequencies.   These two frequencies are stronger than the original signal because of the strength of the added frequency.  In our case we know to look for a frequency of around 7.4 hertz.

The first coil is finely tuned to 174k and we really can't mess with it.  The third coil is finely tuned to 7.4 hertz and we can't mess with it.  So, the control must come from the created frequency of the second coil that we energize with the battery of the controller.  The controller is a varible capacitor the detunes the resonance of the second coil.  The first kick start is the magnet, the second kick start is the battery powered second frequency.  The third kick start is the shcumann resonance, even though weak, is just enough to build little by little up to usable power.

There is a forth coil, which is the fewer heavy turns for output.  I assume these coils to be all flatwound and stacked on top of one another.  Does anyone know for sure if the coils are torus wound or flatwound?

Does anyone catch a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel?

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 03, 2006, 12:44:33 AM
A very bright light indeed.  I hope it's not a train.  :D

Seems easy to test though. :)

The 174khz circuit and the (166.6khz or 181.4khz) circuit create a frequency of 7.4hz which is picked up by the 7.4hz coil.... and that powers it and increases it's "size" to something large enough to pick up more of the Schuman resonance.

Do you think the magnet is needed?  Why not just use another battery?  Then you could use any two freq. that were 7.4 apart.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 03, 2006, 06:54:51 AM
Hold on a tic...  I can see the approaching magnet inducing current.  But what happens after that... it's not moving. 

Still a very good theory.  :)

What does that magnet do?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 03, 2006, 08:01:23 AM
Elvis

The magnet is necessary for several reasons. ?It locks in the exact magetic frequency just like a crystal. ?If you take it out, the circuit drifts and loses its resonance. ?When Steven takes it out of his working device, it winds down.

I feel the magnet acts not only as a crystal to lock in frequency, it also acts something like a diode to rectify the pulses of the magnetic field.
If you read about the Coler device on Rexsearch, they speculated there was more energy in one direction than the other. ?In other words, a static magnet has even balanced fields, but when used in a circuit, there is more energy one direction creating ?unbalanced fields. ?This accounts for the energy collected.

As I think about it, you are correct about the power circuit being a series resonance and not a tank circuit. ?the fewer heavy windings would need more inductance to be in resonance and I suggest a coil solenoid rigged as a safety switch as shown in the patent by Roy Meyers, also on Rexresearch. ?When the output reaches a certain level, it opens the switch as a safety cutoff.

I don't think there is any runway danger until a vortex is created? ?Then all bets are off. ?Mayben the safety switch has to also turn off the resonant tank circuits beside the power circuit? ?The fact that there is an gyroscopic effect with just fields which have no mass, means to me there is a gravity effect. ?Bruce dePalma proved rotating masses fall at a different rates than the same objects not rotating.

Perhaps, rotating fields effect gravity? ?If I knew how to work my computer better, I would post links. ?I am recalling from memory just to get these ideas down. ?I wish I were a younger man.

Steven, if you still have a working machine, place it on a sensitive scale to see if it gains or loses weight?

If so, Eureka! an easier way to achieve antigravity. ?Think about it. ?Let's say it gained a little weight running in its normal state. ?It does not want to run when it is upside down. ?What if you force fed it with energy to make it run, it might just want to take off?
As you can see, even though I am an old fart, my mind likes to wonder.

Anyway, if Steven has time to look at these posts, he might hint that we are warm or cold in this line of reasoning.

Good luck to all,
Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Awakening Human on April 03, 2006, 06:08:51 PM
My apologies for such an ignorant question.  I am not familiar in any way with electronics...some might say that this is good since
I haven't had any classical electronics training thus granting one a more open spectrum of what can and cannot be done, but the risks of injury/death definitely outweigh the former in being responsible and taking prudent care of oneself and those around. 

I definitely understand the caution taken by those being responsible enough, not to just let the average person get hurt
by falling of the cliff and trying to duplicate the excellent results thus far obtained blindfolded so to speak.

My interests do lie in the direction of getting/creating free energy to the people.  I'm sure by now with all the martyrs,
people that are more or less in the know understand that the only possible way(barring some ET intervention) to get humanity off the grid is to give the tech. away for free to as many able people as possible. 

How does one tune and keep a coil tuned to a necessary frequency of 174/166Hz ? 

Thank you for the privilege to communicate and apologies for my lack of knowledge in this area.

Kindest Regards to all.  Leon   ;D
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Awakening Human on April 03, 2006, 06:49:33 PM
Hello,

I forgot to add some value hopefully to this whole discussion.  I came across the following website:
http://zelator.topcities.com/odd.htm

It had information on:

--------------------------------------------------------
Ed Leedskalnin was the gentleman who built Coral Castle moving enormous slabs of rock by himself. He apparently used the same technology employed by Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayans etc. (More than likely soundwave/antigravity technology) Good article by Gary Val Tenuta since pulled from his website but available here. his is one of the more popular articles on site.

Transcribed here are three of the booklets Leedskalnin used to sell to tourists at the castle.

Magnetic Currents

Magnetic Currents 2

Magnetic Currents 3
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

These three text files on the website have very interesting simple experiments into magnetic currents.  I thought it might be usefull
to some of the folks here in integrating/creating.

I would also like to add that we shouldn't hold each other back by keeping secrets...this has been going on for too long...
hence the arrested development we've all been living since Keely, Russell, Tesla, Reich, Schauberger, etc...Humanity has been kept in check from flourishing into paradise/ecstasy by the various entities focused on secrets and mind control of the masses.
Please lets get more responsible with each other.

Kindest Regards, Leon  ;D
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 04, 2006, 12:06:33 AM
Leon,
The resonant freq. of a series LC circuit is derived from the properties of capacitor and the inductor involved.
Here's a link for you - http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Thaelin on April 04, 2006, 12:34:20 PM
Hi all:
   Well I have been trying to make sense of all this. I have been through the messages and video and I keep comming up with the same things.

1 7.23 hrtz opperation frequency
2 Multiple harmonics there of
3 Counter clockwise rotation of a magnetic vortex
4 Kicks are simply where the harmonics overlap as follows:
     positive side:  1   2  2   3   1   2  2   3   1
   negative side:    3  1   2    2  3   1   2    2  3

these kicks pose a very interesting wave form when seen on a scope.

Somewhere in this has to be some caps. That would make it a definate LC resonate device. Although he does specificly state that the device must never reach a resonate state. That would be the purpose of the "box" to slightly detune and keep it there. In the large device I can see what surely looks like a pair of caps.

What still has me wondering is what is being triggered with the placing of the magnet????  It was a simple ceramic magnet from the looks.
From the math it looks like the small 25watt unit is running at 400 ma and the large is at 850 ma. Thats not a lot but then considering where it seems to be comming from makes that a different ball park. I would like to get physical size measures of the large coil so I can wind up a test coil. Any one have any ideas on that?

Sugra
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 04, 2006, 05:19:11 PM
Hi All,

Wel,l I finally downloaded the video of what I am going to call Version2, the one lighting two lamps.  So far all my comments have been on observing the very blurry first videos and a frequency  of 7.4 hertz.  I live in the country and only have a slow modem connection.  If anyone can send me a link for the clear video that shows litz wire,  would be appreciated  although, I will eventually get to it.

For the following comments, let us assume that the magnetic resonance frequency is a given at 175k hertz.  And, that the magnet excites the primary coil circuit tuned to resonance at 175k.  Let us also assume that my idea of how it works is close to being correct.

I am going to try and look at this through Steven's eyes and do a narrative that may have nothing to do with reality, but it at least will follow a logical path that will hopefully give so ideas to bulding some experimental hardware.

Version 1 is beatiful in its purity.  It uses the natural frequency of magnets to generate power.  It is sustained by the natural Schumann resonance of 7.5 hertz.  It should work even better in the middle of the desert away from modern electrical pollution.
However,  breakthrough it is, Steven realizes it has problems and can be improved.  To get any kick at all from the S. frequency, the circuit has to be tuned to its fundamental note of 7.4 hertz meaning realitivly large components.  A higher harmonic frequency would be so weak it would be lost in the noise of our modern electrical society.   Another problem is, it's scary!  The slight phase difference in freqency creates a rotating field that has to be carefully controlled to prevent runaway. ( Remember the emploding TV scenario). 

Instead of trying to find a weak signal amid the noise, why not use the pollution to maintain resonance?   The 60 cycle emf fields are virtually everywhere.  If I  tune to 60 cycles, I still have to deal with relatively large components.   If I  tune to 6,000 hertz, I can get impressive power using relatively small components.  The sub harmonic of 60 hertz will still give plenty of kick to maintain resonance.  And, I won't have as much worry about controlling a runaway situation due to a sight phase difference.  It may not work in the middle of the desert.  But how many peole live in the desert anyway?

So, Steven goes on to design Version 2.  He realizes that instead of just placing the magnet next to the resonant coil, if he incorporates the magnet into the circuit so that the current flows through it, he gets even more power.  This  is done in the Roy Meyer device and the coler device.  See Rexresearch.com

The theory is that the magnet works something like a diode.  Notice that Version 2 has two magnets each doing its half the cycle and that they are placed into a special holder (with contacts?).

Remember, Steven said no special massive electronic tricks.  Mostly just frequencies and coils and magnets.  Both Coler and Meyer were working simple devices that you could put your hands around.  But they didn't know the exact magnetic frequency of 175k hertz.  And were just lucky getting partial harmonics to maintain a weak resonance.  Think of their magnets as capacitor plates along with their respective coils forming tuned resonant circuits with the current going through the magnets and you basically have the basics of the process as I see it.  Of course I could be wrong, I'm only a musician .
 
Gentlemen, start your soldering irons,
Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 05, 2006, 05:52:06 AM
I won't speculate about steven... mannix is touchy about that... ;)
But... considering your theory Tishatang... and I *like* the theory too - it's the same thing I was dicussing over the last couple of months in another thread... resonant circuits in cascade... so when you posted, I was very interested in hearing someone else back up what I had been considering.
I thought I could get enough voltage out of a loop antenna to begin a resonance (with a cap in series with the antenna) and begin to power the antenna to increase it's size (electronically) and capture more and more.  Of course the question is how to get the power out of the circuit...

But - back to this theory.   Is it really that simple?  The magnet induces current without motion?

But why not maximize that?  Why then use 7.4?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 05, 2006, 10:02:30 AM
Yes,
I think things can be simple.  Our minds try to justify their existence by thinking too much.
Roy Meyers circa 1912, in a prison tool shed makes something that works.
Hans Coler circa 1940 a tinkerer makes something that works.
Serendipity revealed to them some magic combination that got an effect.
If they could do ti, we can do it !

All I am trying to do is look at Steven's device given the parameters and hints we have been given.
since we don't have a direct dialog with Steven, we have to start somewhere to explain what we see.  If the first device
ran at 7.4hertz and the second device ran at 6k hertz, what made Steven go to the second design?
I chose to do little bit of fantasy to illustrate a thinking process.  Otherwise, we will go on discussing little tidbits here and there and
miss the overall picture.

As exciting as the MRA story was to read, it is a nonlinear scalar device.  My gut feeling is that Steven's 7.4 hertz device is on the edge of a scalar device.  How many pieces of lab gear must Steven have lost in developing that first working model? A rotating field to produce power is OK, but if it has the potential to slip into a vortex of unknown potential, we have to be very careful.  I can see why Steven is so cautious. 

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on April 06, 2006, 03:50:23 AM
What specifically does he mean by the 7.4hz and the 6khz?  Is that the cycle of the output?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 06, 2006, 05:46:27 AM
It is the AC ripple on top of the DC output.
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on April 06, 2006, 09:45:16 AM
It occurred to me that in this digital age, fundamental electronic theory might not be explained like the "good old days".
Here is a link some of the old books0  (free download)

http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm

I used the "The
Amatuer Radio Handbook" fifty years ago and somehow I still remember some of the stuff even tho I never worked in electronics.

tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Jack Dominico on April 08, 2006, 03:29:38 AM
The magnet initates a Barkhausen effect which produces an initial current or "kick" which can be picked up by a coil.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: silverdragonrs on April 08, 2006, 06:47:28 AM
could somebody please list a link and a book that will alow me to learn all about frequencies as well as a few other things that you all are talking about so that i may follow (i just need the basics i can figure it out from there) thanks,

danny
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on April 13, 2006, 07:40:48 PM
On March the 20th Kosh may have quoted the valve textbook when he wrote about how mechanical damage occurs to filaments of valves due to a reaction force being developed between the current and the Earth?s magnetic field.  This is hardly overunity as the energy is supplied by the current source and not the Earth?s magnetic field.  Energy can be supplied by the Earth?s magnetic field but in this example I believe that it  cannot be explained by standard electrical engineering theory involving cutting lines of flux.  Rather the Earth?s magnetic field should be seen as mediating in the exchange of energy between the Earth and the Sun.  I have concluded that the Earth does not directly receive much EM radiation from the Sun, but rather packets of magnetic energy in the form of source free magnetic vortices are trapped by the Earth's magnetic field which acts as a vast solar energy collector.  How light, heat and other EM radiation could be formed can be demonstrated by considering the luminous effects that occur when UFOs take off.  UFOs utilize counter rotating magnet assemblies like the Mikell device and as these spin faster a range of colours is seen culminating in white.  In fact the whole spectrum of EM radiation is emitted as air atoms are ionized and excited.  Once they observed this the black project scientists understood how the Sun really generates EM radiation - not from nuclear fusion but rather from turbulence in it's magnetic field interacting with it's atmosphere.  In support of this hypothesis is the fact that the planets with considerable magnetic fields also have luminous atmospheres.  The Sun has the most powerful magnetic field and also the most luminous atmosphere.

The hypothesis I have put forward at this forum is that free energy devices pump the ionosphere until a resonance is achieved with a magnetic vortex directing these magnetic particles back to the device as a magnetic current or 'cold electricity'.  The curious thing about the Mark device is that it appears to output RF current judging by the flame like discharge made by a short circuit shown in the video.  This suggests that there is more than one way of extracting energy from the ionosphere.  You ought to carefully study this paper that puts forward the hypothesis that it is possible to pump the ionophere with verticaly reflecting antennas to obtain RF energy:

RF Energy via Solar/Ionospheric Resonance
http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_iono.htm

Byers has put forward the hypothesis that the ionosphere acts as a massive solar energy collector which can be stimulated with RF emissions to reflect energy back to a transmitter using a technique similar to Masers.  Atoms in the ionosphere are ionized by solar UV photons and put into a higher higher energy state which represents stored solar energy.  He proposes a system whereby a source of RF energy can be amplified by the stimulated emission of photons of the same frequency and phase as the source as these excited atoms drop to lower energy levels.  Since the ionosphere reflects radio waves there would be a frequency at which standing waves would developed inside this resonant cavity and feedback would lead to amplified coherent radiation within it.  The flaw with this proposal is that the frequency of the hyperfine structure of air atoms would be in the gighertz range which would require a cavity much smaller than that between the Earth and the ionosphere.  However, Byers does support his hypothesis with a spectrum analyzer graph of an ionosounding test which shows a resonance at 5.456 Mhz with a broad sholder of stimulated emissins from 5.3 Mhz to 6 Mhz.

Another paper worth studying is this one from the Swedish Institiute Of Space Physics:

Stimulated Electromagnetic Emissions
http://www.physics.irfu.se/SEE/

This paper describes experiments in which powerful radio transmitters were used to induce turbulence in the ionosphere and study wave-plasma interactions.  The electric field component of the radio wave induces variations in the electron density at intervals of one wavelength resulting in longitudinal waves called Langmuir waves.  Part of the incident wave is reflected back at a higher frequency implying an energy gain since the energy of a wave is proportional to it's frequency.  Here is an interesting quote that may have some relevence to the Mark device:

'The pump waves used in the experiments were circularly polarised and depending on the direction of rotation of the field components, clockwise (ordinary) or anticlockwise (extraordinary) the effect could or could not be observed. This indicated that the magnetic field was an important contributor to the observed scattering effect.'

We know that the Mark device emits a rotating wave because the correct orientation of the coil depends on which hemisphere the device is located at.  This can be explained by the Coriolis effect.  This is the apparant deflection of a moving object in a rotating frame of reference such as, in this case, the Earth's magnetic field.  The analogy might not be valid because the Mark coil does not look much like a radio antenna, but I could be wrong.

Another way in which the Earth's magnetic field could be a source of energy could be connected with the action of solar electrons trapped in the torroidal Van Allen radiation belts.  The Earth's magnetic field bend the paths of charges so that they move perperdiculary to the field lines, i. e. in circles or spirals around the field lines, of which the frequency depends on the charge and the mass of the particle in question. Since these circulating electrons accelerate towards the centre of their motion they emit radio waves called 'cyclotron radiation'  Pump waves corresponding in frequency to this cyclotron radiation electrons tend to further accelerate the gyro motion, just like a forced harmonic oscillator.
I do not know if any of this is really relevant to understanding the Mark device but it may point the way to further research.  Here are some links you may find useful for background reading
:
Magnetic Fields Of the Planets
http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/research/planetaryweb/undergraduate/dom/magrev/magtoc.htm

Living Reviews In Solar Physics
http://solarphysics.livingreviews.org/

The Sun's Magnetic Field
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarmag.html

Magnetism Is Key To Mystery Of the Sun
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/magmyst.html

Do magnetic waves heat the solar atmosphere?
http://academic.evergreen.edu/z/zita/talks/2003Portland/03APS.ppt

Mikell Device
http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp

Magnetic Energy To Heal the Planet
http://www.magneticenergy.co.uk

http://www.geocities.com/magneticdiscoveryclub







Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on May 17, 2006, 08:58:59 PM
well... if the magnet he sticks to the device initiates current in a coil... which I guess is a given... I don't see how the "king" is sending other electrons down another wire a short time later - or several times.

Perhaps the secret is in the "bing weavy" - though I'm not sure what the hell that is.

I've noticed you post the same thing twice (or more) alot.  Maybe you have a sticky v-key?

Here's my story - hehe - One day the king went to the local tavern to have a few beers.  He noticed a wench who seemed eager to put out... and so the king bought her a drink, and then another... and listened to her stories about how she loved , and couln't wait to get back to the castle and bang the king.  But of course, she wasn't ready yet... and so the king sat and listened to her talk for hours about all sorts of things.
The king was very bored - but very horny... and so he sat and listened, hoping that his patience would pay off.
Many people approached the king and whispered in his ear that the wench was a -tease.  But the wench assured the king that she was worth the wait... and that when she was ready... and if she had enough to drink... she would definitely "rock his world."
So the king continued to listen.  Occasionally, he would make a proposition... but the wench would say that, though she was in fact a , she was not a slut... and she would not put out unless he tried harder.
And so the king continued to play along.
There were other suitors too.  They all made propositions - and the wench would ramble on and on about how horny all these propositions were making her... and that soon, she would be so horny that she would fuck the whole lot of them right there in the tavern.
As they talked into the night - noone noticed the bulge in the wenches skirt. ;)
And that's where the story ends.
I'll leave it up to you to decide whether the wench was a guy... or a tease... or both. :P
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on May 22, 2006, 12:05:00 AM
@Stephan: OK, first post in this thread, has anyone posted a comprehensive list of all the clues here? I suggest this:

A new post, that is a locked sticky that contains 4 lists... for example:

1. What we know for sure about the device and it's operation.
  A. Device generates power by taking advantage of the earths magnetic field.
  B. Device consists of one or more coils in a special arrangement.
    a. One coil is composed of many small pieces of wire connected in series or parallel.
    b. One coils is composed of a heavier gauge wire than the other.
    c. The king's electrons "jump" from one coil to the other.
  C. Device is toroidal in it's physical aspect.
  D. Device requires initial Kick to be introduced by a magnet, at which point it self runs.
  E. Device generates in addition to electricity, gyroscopic forces.
  F. Device requires a Control Circuit to prevent it from destroying itself.
  G. Device is "tuned" to specific frequencies.
  H. Etc, etc., etc.. (I know I've missed a lot)
 
2. What we are reasonably sure are involved in some way.
  A. Harmonic frequencies (try creating the "worst case scenario" according to Mr. Mark)
  B. Some sort of magnetic cascade effect, or chain reaction that produces a magnetic "vortex" of some sort.
  C. Etc., etc., etc. (ditto)

3. Things we are completely clueless about.
  A. Devices Coils contain unknown core materials.
  B. Configuration and windings of the Devices coils are unknown.
  C. Process for Tuning the device is unknown.
  D. Etc., etc., etc.

4. Things that are completely wrong about the device. followed by correction
  A. Device contains batteries. - Device contains no electro chemical storage devices.
  B. Device contains Piezo stacks - Piezos cannot possibly produce that much power for sustained periods, if at all
  C. etc., etc., etc.

This will provide Mr. Marks a list to which he can refer and give us ideas as to the things we are dead on about, and the thing to which we are clueless, he (via Mannix) could simply say "that belongs in list 3" or "that should be in list 1.", or "banish that thought to list 4"
 
@Mannix/Mark:
Sorry for all the nagative remarks here, and our meager attempts to understand this, but as you have stated, we need to drop all of our preconceptions of what we know about things and "be as little children." This is very difficult for myself and, I'm sure, many others. It took Mr. Mark several years to put this together, and we are being given clues via vagueries, and parables, which although enlightening, are a very unconventional way of disseminating information. Being experimenters, we like hard testable theory to base work from. Hence the noticed hesitance of people here to simply abandon other OU projects the may be involved with, and conduct experiments here. You see, we have hard tangible testable things on our workbenches, some of us. Those of us who are fairly talented anyway. You must admit, the way this has gone is very strange. Not that there is no credibility to the technology, but there are other questions that linger in our heads as we read this information, due to the strangeness of the way the information is making its way to us. For example, why does Mr. Mark speak exclusively through you? Why doesn't he post directly? Have you replicated the technology with the additional info that Mr. Mark has given you? You seem to posess more expertise on the device than someone who has not replicated it is capable of. And the inverse of that question: Given the information and knowlege that you no doubt command about the device, if you haven't built one yet, why not?

Please understand that these are rhetorical questions, you don't need to answer them, and they are not offered up in a skeptical manner, and are not intended to "derail" the thread. They are only offered as an explanation to why people have approached this in a skeptical manner in this thread from time to time. Many of us have scientific minds (or we would not be here), and as such, we are supposed to ask the tough questions, and have a healthy level of skepticism. Any technology that cannot be scrutinized(especially in this arena), we have been conditioned over time, due to the actions of hucksters (a few bad eggs spoil the... you get the drift), to be hyper sensitive to a few warning signs.

So, in the hopes of continuing our interaction, I would hope that you are understanding, and don't take the negative comments too personally. I understand that you (Mr. Marks) have endured much ridicule and skepticism. But consider the source, we are not big oil, we are not Uncle Sam. We have the self-same interests that you do. Our skepticism is, for good or bad, aimed at making damn sure we get it right, and are not being led around by our collective nose-ring.

Thank you immensely for the amazing amount of info that you have given us thus far. I hope you take my post as it is intended, and not as an attack.

Now that that is out of the way. What do you think about the Lists(not the content, the concept)? Are they a good way to reference what we have learned so far? I think they will help us to better connect the dots so to speak.

Regards,
 Gnostik
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on June 02, 2006, 05:18:31 AM
This will be obvious to those who have studied free energy for any length of time?..but the SM device will never see the light of day.  The film I saw was from 1996.  Tesla had free energy. Rexresearch.com has dozens of free energy devices that have not been replicated but were witnessed.  Bell Labs has at least 28 free energy devices sitting on their shelves according to a retired Bell Labs scientist.

SM, I highly suggest you read Dr. Greer?s book  ?Forbidden Knowledge.?  You have the answers but along with the other dozens of brilliant people have sold out humanity.  Just remember this while your children or grandchildren lay dieing in a hospital from respiratory failure or some equally other bad disease due to pollution from petroleum based energy use.  Or half the animal and plant life are gone do to similar types of pollution.

I wrote an essay for English 101 while taking night courses in the air force.  The title was ?Man, God?s Greatest Failure.?  That was written in 1991 but is even more aptly true today??..

I understand not wanting to give away your idea, but did you invent electricity?  Are you responsible for the a/c running through our lines?  No, but Tesla did give-up all rights to HIS invention to help the world by allowing a/c to be used royalty free.  I don?t  know how long a patent lasts but don?t you think that at least one of the devices from the early 1900?s should be patent free by now?.and still not one free energy device is on the market.  Of course this is all coincidence and yours will be on the market in a matter of weeks?..it?s time to get real.  There is an energy conspiracy and you have one of the answers that if released, would unbind our hands from the tyrants of the oil corporations, the President and the Vice President of the U.S..

Look at Coral Castle.  Mr. Edward Leedskalnin died and everything he knew was lost with him.  He had free energy also and knew better than to share his secret with the world?.though he didn?t mind flaunting his abilities without every revealing his secrets.  Does this sound familiar?

Let?s put things in a different perspective?.certainly, 80% of the world lives in extreme poverty with hardly any infrastructure.  But, I gave my word that I wouldn?t share my knowledge to help them?.my hands are tied.  So what if most of them will never go beyond a 2nd grade education because they are having to work to support their families.  If they are bright enough, they can figure this out?.after all, how much does a little wire cost.  Let?s see, while I was stationed in Turkey the minimal wage was $5 per month so it will be no time before they finish their degree, experiment in their free time and get this figured out.

While in the 7th grade I remember a boy that came from a well off family.  He bought extra food almost every day just in case he wanted it during lunch.  There were several other children such as myself that didn?t have anything to eat at school but practically everyday he?d ask us if we?d like to buy his food.  Of course we had no money or we would have bought our own,  so practically everyday we?d watch him through it in the trash instead of giving it to someone. 

To whom much is given, much is expected??..

I grew-up poor but can no longer claim that title.  I have done 100's of hours of charity work in auto repairs, home repairs, even going as far as to give away cars to people that genuily tried to help themselves.  I've put time into experiments of various devices and none of them have worked in over unity.  I'm either lacking in brain cells or simply not intuitive enough to master these devices. 

The only way your device will be seen by the average Joe is by us.  The average tinkerer.  You should consider mass releasing your device and allowing replication.  When you pass you can be remembered one of two ways....the selfish guy that threw the bird to humanity or the guy that did something altruistic and came forward.  Reincarnation is a fact and will hold up in a court of law strictly using the scientific data.  If you chose to withold your device from mankind, you will no longer remember how to build it when you come back and you will be in the same boat as the rest of us.  Release it, and your life will be easier as all of humanity will be raised....simple as that.

I actually fear dieing only because it has taken so long to learn a few absolute truths that are only obtained by extreme experiences and study.  So much information to be relearned......

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Loki67671 on June 05, 2006, 11:57:37 AM
My notes in bold........................................... ;D


One day in a land under the noses of all the kings (I did it, but I'm not going to tell you how because I don't actually understand whats going on either, is that what you mean?) there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home(This implies switched ground or return connection later in the story) but they were sent the longest way possible (Root frequency winding = longest wavelength),it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way(Resonance) . They were told  that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit(Positive Feedback). So their king gave them a big kick(Inductive start-up and magnetic bias, symmetry breaking) and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them.(Ground or common is still connected) See you at the arranged time back here he said and off they went!

Some short time later(Phase shifted harmonic generator) the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey.down another wire(n'th order harmonic winding/'s) . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together  so he disconnected the return wire before any of them arrived home(Switched ground or common connection) ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.(Why I caused multiple magnetic fields to collapse simultaneously causing very large inductive kicks, thats what I've done)

Meanwhile the electrons were on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened?(I used FET's or relays to switch the connections of the windings to where I choose) they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was.(Multiple collapsing fields inducing constructive and destructive interference) They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends.(This effect appears to to be cascading or chain reactive, the magnet is not just for a starting kick, it is biasing the local  space against the earths magnetic field) Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much for room(Heavy gage secondary in a closed loop configuration i.e. ground un-switched) . They told their friends and  almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home.(Induction from an opened circuit to closed circuit, approaching infinite impedance to approaching zero impedance) The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point(positive feedback in a magnetic biasing) so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and they just kept on  coming(There is you gain) .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come.(Nor do you have to, mother nature loves to party) . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other.new found wire that was not for his travellers. the king was  relieved(I can imagine) ..but when he saw(feedback or sensing path) all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the return wire was a bad mistake.(triggers the switching of part of the harmonic windings and the the root) He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the  others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would(couple in or create a positive feed back mechanism) find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire(Switching in an additional secondary winding) that led somewhere else and joined them together managed to get most the uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.(This is the load carrying winding). told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumping and pushing.  It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by  that he had no way of dealing with them  so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whiz by(timing sensing for the harmonic generators) . He would tell some of them that the party was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster.(Frequency sweeping) He even sent some of them down the long weaving wire(perhaps an additional control winding) to let the others know that the party was over but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and  left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice(Now it's running and I hope someone from the oil companies or the government doesn't decide to kill my ass so I think I'll just run on free electricity which and of itself is a huge gain over my fellow man allowing me to keep my gold for other things while the peasants continue to pay for energy) ..I'm told that he went to a power generator where none of this silliness could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.

Nice work, if it's true.

Modified to remove a little of the harshness..............My Fault....I was crouchy.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: jake on June 05, 2006, 02:40:40 PM
Loki,

Don't hold back - tell us how you really feel!

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 08, 2006, 05:07:40 PM
Having read ALL of these post (boy did that take a long time) it struck me that we need to know the parameters to achieving the largest 'kick'. Another member of the forum pointed out that Tesla had also observed these 'kicks'. From Tesla we know that:

a. The higher the voltage applied across a wire the larger the kick.
b. The faster the voltage is made to appear on the wire the larger the kick.

So high voltage needs to be applied to the wire as a square wave with as fast a ramp up time as possible.
I'm assuming that the levels would be 0V and say 1000V as opposed to 1000V and -1000V inorder to achieve a DC output.

What I don't know is what parameters of the 'wire' will give the largest kick.
Is it:

1. Diameter of the wire.
2. Length of the wire.
3. Insulation around the wire.
4. How tighly the wire is bundled together.
5. What wire material, copper, iron, steel, or copper coated steel which is good for high frequencies.

My gut feeling is that the following would give an excellent kick:

1. Cut enamelled copper wire into 2 inch lengths - say 200 of them.
2. Strip the enamel from the ends of each wire.
3. Bundle the wires together to form a cylinder and tie with a non metallic tie. e.g. cotton
4. Solder all the wires at one end of the cylinder together and attach a thick wire - wire A.
5. Solder all the wires at the other end of the cylinder together and attach another wire - wire B.
6. This will then look like a large resistor.
7. Coat the whole cylinder with large amounts of epoxy resin (or melted acrylic) so that the cylinder is very well insulated. Perhaps as much as 0.5 inch all round ?

Why use the epoxy resin ?
Another member mentioned the problems that on connecting a high dc voltage, sparks would fly out of an insulated conductor at right angles to the wire. We want to keep the energy in the conductor so the more insulation around the conductor the better.

To test I'm thinking of applying a high voltage 0-1000V fast ramp square wave to 'wire A' and just observing. I'm hoping there will be an adundance of 'charge' in 'wire B'. I'll observe what I get! Or if anyone else thinks this has merits please try and give your observations too.

The second part would be to try and capture some of the energy. Perhaps a simple two coil transformer  attached to part B.

Alternatively:

a.  I was thinking of doing away with all the epoxy around the cylinder and simply wrap a secondary around the cylinder and just observe the voltage obtained.

or

b. Putting the whole unepoxied cylinder inside a copper pipe, and then putting epoxy around the copper pipe. The copper pipe would act as the collector of energy from the wires inside.


I'm throwing this out as an idea, for brainstorming, the main point being to understand what parameters give the biggest kick.

Also Patrick Flanagen's Electric Field Generator ( see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/efg.htm) appears to share some attributes with what we are doing. It would be interesting to see what would happen if his device was place inside a copper pipe and a high voltage positive offset square wave applied.I bet you would get a large current flowing through the pipe if you connect a wire to each end of the pipe. As far as I can tell he uses high voltage AC sine waves without any DC offset. i.e. +5000v to -5000V as opposed to a DC offset sinewave of +10000 to 0 volts.




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 09, 2006, 02:36:01 AM
Consider this hypothetical case. If you look at the still surface of a dam of water and you paddle your feet in the dam, there does not appear to be any energy in the dam. Now imagine that you have no idea what a dam is. Now imagine your education system teaches you that to use the water from the dam you have to 'scoop' the water from the top of the dam. Over time there is a concrete set of laws on scooping water. The larger the bucket the more water you scoop etc.

Now imagine that one day you are messing around at the bottom of the dam on the outside and decide to stick in a pipe into the dam a few feet down. All of sudden there is this huge rush of water through the pipe!! How can this be ? Your scoop 'laws' clearly tell you that you cannot scoop more water than the size of the scoop. Yet if you measure the amount of water pouring out of the pipe. It is clearly much more than the size of the pipe!! IMPOSSIBLE! But the people who know the rules believe this is a trick. They tell you connect this so called 'pipe' to the top of the dam and show us your 'scoop-pipe' scooping water back into the dam. (Everyone knows that an immutible law of scooping is that if you scoop water you can pour back into the dam). Low and behold when you connect the pipe to the top of the dam, the water stops pouring. Everyone laughs having PROVED that you are a fraud.....

Now clearly if you have no knowledge of what a dam is and how it works, the above differences in taking water out of the dam appear to 'magical' and go against all known laws! If you try and analyse how the pipe is getting the water, using the 'scoop' laws you are bound to fail to understand how the pipe is working. 'Scooping' is not the principle being used on the dam.

Similarly with the Steven Mark's device we are trying to understand what is happening based on an incomplete model of how electricity is generated and what electricity really is and for that matter what magnetism really is. We are thinking in terms of transformers (the scoops in the dam example) where we really need to start thinking in terms of the 'pipe' and trying to think what the 'dam' is really like.

This is what lead me to the basics concerning the 'kick' in the previous email - and of course mannix insistence that this is where we should start.

Now some further thoughts on how to proceed. The Steven Mark device clearly has complex timings involved - to do with frequencies, magnets etc. How much of this complexity is due to wanting to feedback some of the output back into the input - but at the right frequencies ? My gut feeling is - most of it.

After all you don't just decide to wrap a few coils with magnets and happen across the exact number of windings, gauge of wire, core, capacitance etc. No way. Everything starts with a little of the 'umm that is strange'. Then replicating the effect. Then determining what makes the effect bigger. Then once you can achieve an output greater than your input - you then look to feedback some of the output into the input. Ahh, but if the effect is dependant on frequencies, tying outputs to inputs can play havoc with all those things that affect frequecies and oscillation in electronics. So you come up with a clever scheme to make it all work which indirectly (and obviously unintentionally) MASKS what is really happening.

I'm sure the 'ahha' moment is due to the kick. Understand how we can make this kick bigger and how we can collect some useful energy from the kick and we will be on the way to understanding what is happening.

This is my guess on what is happening. Magnetism obviously plays a large part in this device. Let's disregard what we think we know about magnetic fields and instead make an assumption that there are north and south magnetic particles. (Scientist have long sought to determine the existance of a  magnetic monopole and I can't see how this could be possible unless magnetism was caused by particles which undermost circumstances appeared in pair and thus the appearance of a field.) So let's go along with the assumption for now. The kick somehow brings these particles into existence for a brief period of time. The two magnets are used to cause the particles to flow in opposite directions down a wire. The interaction of the particles causes electrons to flow to create electricity but not in the same manner as a true magnetic field. This is why the output is DC rather than the expected AC when dealing with conductors being exposed to a changing magnetic field. It is the coming together of magnetic particles that causes the electron flow. This is why you don't want an iron core! The iron core would be very attractive to the particles and thus they wouldn't combine where you want them to.

So Mannix/ Steven Mark am I close ?




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 09, 2006, 08:03:07 PM
Tesla/Sweet/Gray/Wootan et al, all found independently that the resonant frequency for magnetic fields was somewhere in the 180Khz Range. With the MRA, they found that it seemed to be precicely 174.926. I don't know if this applies here, but the MRA was found to be resonating with the earth's magnetic field when not being introduced to specific local magnetic fields. The "Kicks" are probably the highs and lows of the square wave itself. I don't know if this will help with the Marks device or not, but it seems relevant.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 09, 2006, 08:55:02 PM
Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.

I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 09, 2006, 09:27:16 PM
Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.

I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.

Neos are conductive.. They are composed of mostly iron Nd(FE)b, and most are nickel coated. Now if you read the info on the MRA here: http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/2mra.htm, you will find that there are other aspects that are similar to the TPU. It has what they call "virtual rotation". The principal is that they rotate the energy via resonance, instead of mechanically rotating anything. I have a feeling that something similar is happening in the TPU, albeit MUCH more effectively, and efficiently. After which the inductance in one coil cascades to the next creating power (and a magnetic field). This may be, in part,  what creates the gyroscopic effect. Rotating energy via resonance, and hence a rotating magnetic field via inductance.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 10, 2006, 02:28:57 AM
Thanks gnostic for the info., much appreciated.

Having had a closer look at one of the earlier Steven Mark's videos where the TPU is not wrapped up. It appears not to have windings all the way around the toroid but rather 4 'blocks' of somethings 90 degrees around the toroid.

My immediate questions are what is the framework of the toroid made of specifically:

a.  What are the upper and lower rings made of
b.  What material is used to connect the upper and lower rings.

Another interesting observation is that the different size TPU's are not scaled proportionally. The difference between the inside and outside radius of each toroid looks to be approximately the same. You might expect the large toroid to have a larger difference between the inside and the outside.
Is this relevant; I don't know.


Material Choices for the rings (as in a. above)


Possible material characteristics are

Conductor/Non-conductor
Attractive to magnetic field/Not attractive to magnetic fields
Insulator/Dielectric Insulator

I'm going to plump for the 'Not attractive to magnetic fields' and 'Conductor'. Firstly because it looks like metal. Secondly non attractive to magnetic fields because I think we want something that doesn't act like a transformer. So I would plump for either aluminium or copper. Probably aluminium because it's easier to machine and cheaper than copper.

What material to connect the upper ring to the lower ring.


This is much more difficult without knowing the purpose of the rings. I'm going to go for insulator because there appears to be as part of the input/feedback electronics two small transformer style toroids, and two large capacitors which suggests feeding into two electrically isolated structures i.e. the two rings.

So an interesting experiment comes to mind, what happens if we apply a different frequency of square wave to each ring ? The two small transformer toroids and capacitors could certainly achieve this. On the top ring the wires for the square wave would be connected 180 degress apart. Similarly on the bottom ring the wires would be 180 degrees apart. I think both rings would be oriented so that the connections to each ring were above each other but obviously electrically isolated from each other.

So you bang a high voltage square wave into the ring and you get a 'kick'. OK what happens to this kick ? What is this 'kick' made of ? Magnetic particles ? Ummm. Let's assume that different frequencies of square wave relative to the circumferance of the rings cause the position of the 'kicks' to move round in a circle around the ring. If we apply the same frequency to the top and bottom rings the kicks to the top and bottom are going to be synchronised. Differ the frequencies slightly between top and bottom (say by 7.5 hertz - shumann resonance ?) and you have relative movement of kicks of 7.5 hertz applied on top of a much higher frequency. Perhaps one of the rings is set to the resonant frequency of ferrite (174.9Khz) whilst the other ring is set 7.5 Hz higher or lower.

This rotational motion of kicks somehow sets up a rotation of magentic particles which by some unknown mechanism couples with the earth's magnetic field and/or the ionesphere causing more particles to be pulled into the 'whirlwind'. All we have to do is direct the particles to the right place. This is where the magnets come in. Standard style output coils are placed between the two rings 90 degrees from the outputs. The coils would have iron cores. Place magnets above the coils ? North up on one coil and south up on the other and you would attract the appropriate magnetic particle ? The particles interact with the coil causing the current ?

Or perhaps the magnets are only necessary to prime the pump. Yes this sounds more likely. The permanent magnets provide a continuous replenishment of magnetic particles which are whirled in a circle by the kicks; followed by coupling with the earth's magnetic field; which causes large amounts of current caused by the particles to appear in the output coils. Remove the magnets and the source of particles drys up hence the wind down effect that is observed in the generated voltage.

Lots of guess work, conjecture and imagination! Perhaps some clues from Mannix/Steven can point us in the right direction to limit the experiments required.

Or perhaps the toroid structure is a total smoke screen...






Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 10, 2006, 09:28:57 AM
Hi gnOstik and bob.diroto and all,

I am glad to see more discussion like this on this topic.
Here are some of my observations:

There is a difference between the early single magnet design and the later two magnet design.  Just as the case of the testika device.  The early testika had only one "windmill"  and the later two.  The single design gives you a half wave rectified pulsating DC.  The two element design gives you a full wave rectified  pulsating DC output.  Notice the testika counter rotates and I feel the Mark device electrodynamically counter rotates.
The colliding force fields gives you much more engergy than just adding the two halves together.

Steven Mark hints at this in point17 of one of his letters.

 "17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?  I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "

I don't recall this point being discussed here.

Anyway, back to the design of the Mark device as I see it.

Any coil has a natural resonant frequency because of capacitance between the windings.  The higher frequencies are easier to construct because the components are smaller.  I am guessing enough fine windings will give you the resonant frequency of 175K hertz.  If the first coil is wound to have a resonant freq of 178k and the reverse direction coil is wound to have a resonant frequency of 172k hertz, than we have a beat frequency difference of 6k hertz, our design output.  This 6k freqency will need bigger components to have a resonant freq of 6k.  Therefore the upper and lower plates are the capacitor plates of the 6k resonanant coil.
By placing all the coils within the plates, all the coils are closely coupled with 6k hertz.  The voltage will get very high between these plates.  The open air device is just that, using air as the dialectic between the plates.  The higher voltage devices need additional insulation in the middle to keep the two halves from arcing across the coils in between.  As I recall when a demo torus was cut into pieces, there was a cork-like material in the middle.(?)   See the engineering report somewhere in this thread.

The open air design shows a few windings around one of the plates to reduce the voltage for output.
The coils and capacitors in the middle of the big unit, I feel are just a filter network to change the pulsating DC to more pure DC for the inverter shown in the video running the TV.

Hope this helps,

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 10, 2006, 11:09:34 AM
Hi all,

Links to Henry Moray speeches:

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/speech.htm

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/beyond.htm

Good reading for all.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 10, 2006, 12:01:33 PM
tishatang,

I for one hopes that Steven Mark via Mannix continues to post. The essnce of the information appears to be correct even if the delivery is somewhat original. Let's just see where this goes! Of course I haven't endured several months of drip-feed and have the advantage? of reading all the posts in one sitting.

I hand't thought of the plates being capacitor plates... interesting. I have though had other thoughts about whether the plates are actually metal. On the open model of the mark device he seems happy to touch the toroid framework when the device is working. Conductors or capacitor plates, I certainly wouldn't be touching anything metal in this device! I'm now thinking along the lines that the framework is made of some sort of insulated material - plastic, acylic, epoxy etc.

 "17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?  I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "

This statement has intrigued me from the time I first read it on the original posting. The key is understanding what is meant by "rotate in two directions". Is this two directions through the same axis or is it axis at right angles to each other ? Or is it top half rotates one way, the bottom half rotates the other way ?

Given other hints that there is a whirlwind/turbine/jet engine of magnetic field then I guess rotate in two directions will give a vortex if rotated around the same axis ?

Or perhaps if rotated about two different axis you'd get standing waves ? Or pulsating vortexes arranged in a grid around the sphere. Or perhaps you'd get a grid of field lines ?


Baling Wire Reference

When he says that the first device was made of baling wire. Is this a literal term that actual baling wire was used, which to my understanding is not insulated, or is it a generic term, meaning odds-ends of wire he had laying around, which may well have been insulated wire ?


Control Circuit


I think the electronics in the center of the large toroid are the input and feedback control electronics. He specifically mentions in the video turning on one frequency and then turning on the next.


Frequencies

I have a gut feeling that the main frequency will be a multiple of the resonant frequency of ferrite. e.g. 695Khz or something around this frequency. Perhaps the trick is to pulse at two different multiples of the ferrite frequency ?


I think I need to start more experiments on the kicks...

Tishatang, I'll check out those moray links now, cheers.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 10, 2006, 05:22:23 PM
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm - gets more interesting 2/5/ to 1/2 through the document.

I think the steven Mark device utilises an aspect of this phenomenon documented by Tesla.

"These electrical irritations expanded out of the wire in all directions and filled the room in a mystifying manner. He had never before observed such an effect. He thought that the hot metal vapor might be acting as a "carrier" for the electrical charges. This would explain the strong pressure wave ac?companied by the sensation of electrical shock. He utilized longer wires. When the discharge wire was resistive enough, no explosion could occur.

Wire in place, the dynamo whirred at a slower speed. He threw the switch for a brief instant, and was again caught off guard by the stinging pressure wave! The effect persisted despite the absence of an explosive conductor. Here was a genuine mystery. Hot vapor was not available to "carry" high voltage charges throughout the room. No charge carriers could be cited in this instance to explain the stinging nature of the pressure wave. So what was happening here?

The pressure wave was sharp and strong, like a miniature thunderclap. It felt strangely "electrical" when the dynamo voltage was sufficiently high. In fact, it was uncomfortably penetrating when the dynamo voltage was raised beyond certain thresholds. It became clear that these pressure waves might be electrified. Electrified sound waves. Such a phenomenon would not be unexpected when high voltages were used. Perhaps he was fortunate enough to observe the rare phenomenon for the first time.

He asked questions. How and why did the charge jump out of the line in this strange manner? Here was a phenomenon, which was not described in any of the texts with which he was familiar. And he knew every written thing on electricity. Thinking that he was the victim of some subtle, and possibly deadly short circuit, he rigorously examined the circuit design. Though he searched, he could find no electrical leakages. There were simply no paths for any possible corona effects to find their way back into the switching ter?minal, which he held.

Deciding to better insulate the arrangement in order that all possible line leakages could be eradicated, he again attempted the experiment. The knife switch rapidly closed and opened, he again felt the unpleasant shock just as painfully as before. Right through the glass shield! Now he was perplexed. Desiring total distance from the apparatus, he modified the system once more by making it "automatic".

He could freely walk around the room during the test. He could hold the shield or simply walk without it. A small rotary spark switch was arranged in place of the hand-held knife switch. The rotary switch was arranged to inter?rupt the dynamo current in slow, successive intervals. The system was actu?ated, the motor switch cranked it contacts slowly. Snap ... snap ... snap ... each contact produced the very same room-filling irritation.

This time it was most intense. Tesla could not get away from the shocks, regardless of his distance from the apparatus across his considerably large gallery hall. He scarcely could get near enough to deactivate the rotating switch. From what he was able to painfully observe, thin sparks of a bright blue-white color stood straight out of the line with each electrical contact.

The shock effects were felt far beyond the visible spark terminations. This seemed to indicate that their potential was far greater than the voltage ap?plied to the line. A paradox! The dynamo charge was supplied at a tension of fifteen thousand volts, yet the stinging sparks were characteristics of electro?static discharges exceeding some two hundred fifty thousand volts. Some?how this input current was being transformed into a much higher voltage by an unknown process. No natural explanation could be found. No scientific explanation sufficed. There was simply not enough data on the phenomenon for an answer. And Tesla knew that this was no ordinary phenomenon. Somewhere in the heart of this activity was a deep natural secret. Secrets of this kind always opened humanity into new revolutions.......


.......Copper cylinders produced remarkable volumes of white discharges. The discharges from certain sized cylinders were actually larger than those being applied. This inferred that an energy transformation effect was taking place within the cylinder. This reminded him of his initial observation with the shock-excited wires. Those which did not explode gave forth far greater volt?ages than were initially used. He had never understood why this was occur?ring. Here was another instance in which applied energy was seemingly mag?nified by a conductor. Why was this happening?

The key to understanding this bizarre phenomenon might be found here, he thought. He observed the discharges from copper cylinders of various diameters. Each became edged with white brush discharges when held near or actually placed within the conductive copper strap of the impulser. The discharge effect was most pronounced when cylinders were placed within the periphery of the copper strap.

Tesla noticed that white corona sheaths were actually covering the outer cylinder wall at times. These would appear, build in strength, and disappear on sudden discharge with a surprising length. The sheathing action was re?petitive when the cylinder had a critically small volume. Very small cylinders behaved like rods, where discharges only appeared at their edges. The stabil?ity of these strange sheath discharges varied with cylinder diameter and length. Tesla noticed that not every cylinder performed well near the impulser. Only cylinders of specific volume produced stable and continuous white elec?trical sheaths. If the cylinders were too small, then the sheaths were intermit?tent and unstable. There was an obvious connection between the supplied impulse train and the cylinder volume. But what was it?

Tesla surveyed the entire range of his recent discoveries. Impulses produced a radiant electrical effect. Radiant electricity was mysteriously flow?ing through space. As it flowed, it focused over metal conductors as a white fluidic corona. When the shape and volume of the metal conductors were just right, the energy appeared as a stable white corona of far greater voltage than the impulse generator supplied. More questions. More discoveries. "

Now I'm not saying this is exactly what we are looking at but I think the Steven Mark device's mode of operating is more in line with this than traditional electro-magnetics.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 11, 2006, 03:18:46 AM
I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:

The Theory

My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.

A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later.  I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.

I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.

How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?

I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.

I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?

The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.

Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire

You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.

Sizing of TPU

The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.


Steady State

I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.


Comment Please

So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.

Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Lance on June 11, 2006, 02:36:43 PM
Please locate a copy of 'The free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity' (Video tape) a technical lecture by Peter Lindemann,Dsc. (Produced by Clear Tech Inc.)

The video contains some excelent research material on Radiant Energy and describes another invention which utilizes it -The work of E.V. Gray.

(Essentially E.V.Gray used a metal screen surrounding one electrode ('solid wire') of a spark discharger to pick up the radiant 'electrostatic' component.)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 11, 2006, 07:21:53 PM
I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:

The Theory

My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.

A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later.  I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.

I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.

How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?

I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.

I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?

The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.

Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire

You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.

Sizing of TPU

The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.


Steady State

I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.


Comment Please

So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.

Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.



Hallo bob.diroto,

nice theory. But what about when he said that his device behaves similar to a radio reveiver?

Quote from: Steven Mark
OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver. No I do not want to hear
feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to
be amplified before
they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just
like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to
dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it
for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin
to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes
the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.  It is important that you note
that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received
by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of
conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes
to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.

Could it be that the two rings behaves like an antenna which are at the same time send and receive? But then is still the question how it comes to the rotating magnetic field.

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 12, 2006, 05:31:02 AM
Hi Norbert,

This turned out to be a bit of a brain dump/brain storming sessions and I've just put ideas down as they occured to me...

I take your point when Steven Mark says it acts like a radio receiver and I also think it is interesting that he said "several" which in normal use means more than 2 but not many.

Quote from Steven Mark
"In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."

A simple model of a radio receiver is that you have a resonant LCR circuit which is set to resonate at the frequency you want to tune in to. The incoming radio waves resonate with the LCR circuit. You then extract the modulated signal from the incoming radio waves.

It is the 'kick' that extracts the excess 'electrostatic' energy. Tesla is very clear about this. The bigger the kick the more energy you get out. The more energy you put into creating the kick the more energy you get out. So this aspect satisfies the 'running with gain'.

Perhaps there is an optimum number of 'kicks' per second. The 'kick' causes the earth's Magnetic Field/Ionesphere (MF/I) to respond. If the MF/I pulsates or has a frequency then for optimum energy transfer you'd need to pulse at this frequency. Obvious contenders are schumanne resonance approx. 7.6Hz and ferrite resonance 173.75KHz.

Tesla also observed that certain metal solid shapes and volume optimised the energy transfer. To me this suggests some sort of standing wave in the solid. Which in turn suggests that this 'electrostatic' energy has a specific frequency. So perhaps we have an Ionesphere that pulses which in turn delivers electrostatic energy which pulses at it's own frequency as well. Hence the need for multiple frequencies. The number of 'kicks' per second must be correct but to collect you need another frequency set up as well ?

Now Steven Mark says "the frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the coil". What are the implications of this statement. If there is a wave which goes around the coil then for a standing wave you need the circumference to be a whole multiple of the wavelength of the frequency. So what comes first the frequency or the circumference ?!!

Working backwards from what we do know about the TPU. We know it suffers from eddy currents and excessive heat which in turn implies large moving magnetic fields (but not necessarily alternating). Given that Steven Mark has said the output is mainly DC with a small 6Khz A/C component this suggests the magnetic fields are not alternating but rotating in one direction over a toroidal wound conductor giving the main DC output.

For the 6KHz AC to be a small component of a large DC component this MUST have come from another source producing an alternating magnetic field that intersected the output coil.  I was originally thinking that you had to rotate the actual position where the  'kicks' are generated. But now I think Steven Mark's generates a small 6Khz rotating magnetic field which is used to rotate the electrostatic field. Rotating charges cause a rotating magnetic field. Correctly timed 'kicks' will cause the electrostatic field to build up, which in turn increases the rotating magnetic field and hence the output. Use some of the output to provide higher voltage 'kicks' and you have a positive gain situation happening.

So the 6Khz input magnetic field is like the LCR circuit of the radio which allows the conversions of the electrostatic energy into a much larger magnetic field which fits in with Steven Mark's idea that the principle is 'like a radio receiver'.

If we don't try to do any feedback of the energy then we can avoid the positive gain runaway situation that destroys equipment. It'll also be a much simpler design. This is now looking a lot more doable from an experimental point of view.


Proof of Concept


1. Get some equipment to generate some high voltage pulses which in turn fed into some litz wire will generate the kicks. I'm initially thinking ignition coil type of set up where we can alter the rate of 'kicks'.

2. Four normal coils with ferrite core to generate the small input rotating magnetic field. Input sine wave into 1 pair of coils, other coil driven via a parallel (or is it series ?) capacitor to give 90 degrees out of phase for the other pair. i.e. a simple two phase setup. As we're not trying to prove overunity in this proof of concept but just to prove that 'kicks' will increase a small rotating magnetic field into a larger rotating magnetic field we can rectify mains voltage down to 6-12volts AC sinewave and use this as the input sinewave.

3. Torroid coil around the circumference to collect the output.

Safety: Can we turn it off if unexpected excess energy appears ?
Answer: Yes, turn off the mains and the circuit doing the kicks.

I'm going to give this a whirl. Might take some time though.

Any comments appreciated.









Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 12, 2006, 07:44:36 AM
Perhaps we need to look smaller(in principal). What is the most widely accessible, and reproducable free energy device? We've all probably built and used several, and have them around the house.

A crystal radio. Expand the concept out to what we know about the marks device.

He was an audio engineer before this after all.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 12, 2006, 09:06:31 AM
Hi All,

Moray's device would not work without a ground.  I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.

Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!

I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.

His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length.  If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil. 

link:  http://www.ttr.com/corum/ 

     "If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical      disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ...         as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr.       Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.

If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?

The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.

They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.

The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.

The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz.  Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 12, 2006, 06:15:39 PM
Hi All,

Moray's device would not work without a ground.  I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.

Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!

I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.

His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length.  If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil. 

link:  http://www.ttr.com/corum/ 

     "If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical      disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ...         as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr.       Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.

If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?

The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.

They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.

The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.

The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz.  Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.

Tishatang


I think you are correct about the size of the coils, what we need to remember here is that the size of the coil/length of wire, determines what frequency the coil itself resonates at. How do we tune a crystal radio? By shorting it at some point along the coil, which effectively shortens the coil and it's resonant frequency, allowing it to resonate with a known frequency. Since Marks claims that his device works like a radio receiver, we need to figure out what frequency to "Tune" into, or make the coil resonant to. Since he claims it get's it's energy from the magnetic field of the earth, we need to figure out the resonant frequency of magnetic flux, which we've done. bob.diroto was saying the resonant frequency of ferrite, that's not exactly correct, although he was giving the correct frequency, we're not looking for the resonant frequency of any element, but MAGNETISM ITSELF (elements have much higher resonant frequencies). This might sound strange, but it's commonly done with digital compasses etc. The sizes of the coils relate to different OCTAVES of those frequencies. We know that electromagnetism is way outside the visible spectrum. So are radio waves, but we tune into those quite easily. Once we have a coil resonant with magnetism, we need to figure out how to induce "kicks" into it. Marks starts the process by agitating the coil with a permanent magnet.

What keeps them building? What causes them to rotate, and thus build the vortex, the earth's rotation? I'm guessing this is, at least in part,  the case.
The earth has a slight wobble to the rotation on it's axis. What happens when you have a ball filled with fluid and you begin to spin it? The fluid, due to conservation of motion, does not spin at the same speed of the ball right away, it has to catch up to it. Once it has caught up however, if the ball begins to spin in different directions, slightly, the fluid will not, those same laws of conservation of motion want to keep it going in the same direction. It will however, have a slight variation in it's currents, due to friction against the core and walls of the ball. Apply this to a ball with an iron core (the earth), and apply a static charge to that fluid(mantle). You've got electro-magnetism. Now what happens when it wobbles after the momentum of that fluid is established? The electro-magnetism fluctuates, due to the currents of the fluid, responding to the wobble. This causes a sort of "beat" to the inductance in the core. Or "Kick".

I don't know how this relates to what Tao is saying, but we've got mulitple, aspects of this thing to think about. I can see how what Tao is saying fits with the "parable" that mannix layed down for us.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 13, 2006, 01:21:28 AM
Notice the part that says the coil is "cut until resonance is established", that makes perfect sense considering the prototype was made of bailing wire. Also the fact that the Mark device is "a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its good and bad points.

I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)

But you already knew that. ;)

Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?

Anyway, I'm beginning to think that I was wrong about Mannix. I think he probably is working with SM now, as your posts suggest. I just thought it was strange that SM would communicate through a 3rd party to begin with. So, Mr. Mannix, and SM, if you read this (I know you will, I know you at least look at the boards, as you were last active today, according to your profile.
), please accept my apologies.

Anyway, I have a feeling, that once we get this built, we will have the tools in our arsenal to figure out other similar technologies, like the Sweet VTA, Moray's devices, Grey's devices, etc. And improve others like the MRA.

I'm still sort of at a loss as to what the other frequencies/coils are for. I know one is an output coil, that's about it.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 13, 2006, 01:59:59 AM
Hi Tao,

How long ago did you get that private message you got from Mannix/Steven that you generously posted ?

cheers Bob
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 13, 2006, 02:03:43 AM
I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)

But you already knew that. ;)

Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?


I didn't write the '[snip]' stuff, that was already in that email message ;).

I'm not holding out, I was just remembering old things I saw months ago that could maybe help us now.

I for one wasn't familiar with the sparks from crystal sets, can you explain?

We CAN do this, expecially if Steven could do it with some bailing wire and that less-than-pleasant looking prototype he made. Meaning, he used some spare parts and was able to make this device, I think we should have no problems once we figure out all the pieces and construct a nice diagram as to how this whole thing works.

On some of the crystal radio sets, you have your receiver coil, and how you tune it is you take one end of your antenna wire and short it to the coil. One end of your coil is up the band the other is down the band. The farther up or down the the coil you short it, the farther up or down the band you tune the frequency. As you do this, you can see little sparks.

As I said before it's the original radiant/free energy device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 13, 2006, 03:12:26 AM
Mannix/Steven Mark

Quote
"By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation?"

Does anyone have a copy of this video or http address where I can find this video ?

Thanks in advance. Bob
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 13, 2006, 04:44:33 AM
I'm now starting the process of trying to answer those probing questions that Steven Mark's posted at various points:

Quote
Steven Mark says:
Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?

I'm going to assume that by 'two direction' he means rotating the field left to right i.e. through a vertical axis and rotating the field top to bottom i.e. through a horizontal axis.

I did this by marking spots on a soccer ball so I know this is correct.
Any point on the surface of the 'big ball' will trace a spiral path around the ball going from top to bottom and then bottom to top and repeats. e.g. Like peeling an orange from top to bottom to get one long strip.

We already know that a working TPU in any one location will not work if turned upside down. The reason for this must be that the energy field we are tapping into must 'spiral' around the earth.

Quote
Norbert asks:
Now my question:  did you try your device already on the earth south site?
Steven Mark says:
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?

They work in reverse because if there is one spiral of energy that goes from top to bottom of the earth, if you are on the top of the earth looking down on the spiral, from your reference point, the spiral will go say clockwise, but if you are on the bottom of the earth the spiral, from your reference point will go anticlockwise. (Draw a spiral on a transparency to show that looking at a spiral from each side changes the direction of the spiral.) The very fact that the TPU must be turned over implies that the TPU 'receiving mechnism' must have a preset direction of rotation that doesn't initially reference the energy field.

Cheers ,Bob
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 13, 2006, 05:48:48 AM
...If Earth had a strong enough magnetic field around her, one much stronger than what we have today, then these random lightning strikes would only be sending their respective waves in one direction, East."
Note that Steven places a that small magnet at right angles to the electrical ring(toroid) in his device as shown in the video...

The whole article was excellent. But more specifically I think Steven places the magnets above the locations where the kicks take place. If we believe the kicks are pseudo electrostatic then this would bias the charges to move in one rotational direction. Indeed if you look at the video of Steven placing the two magnets in the device that takes two permanent magnets you can see him take a magnet from a stack of magnets. He does this twice without flipping the magnets over before placing them in his unit. This means both magnets are place in the same orientation i.e. North both pointing in the same direction.

On another point that Tao mentioned about the battery.
I think there is no doubt that Steven uses a small battery to drive his control boxes. He specifically states that it took him time to learn how to use semiconductor circuits to control the frequencies. There is NO WAY you can have an operating *semi condictor* circuit without a reliable source of constant voltage. A small 9V battery would be sufficient.

Quote
Steven Mark says:
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES  PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR.  THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.

I really think we have cracked this.

The electrostatic field is made to initially rotate by the placement of the magnets.
The rotating electrostatic field creates a rotating magnetic field.
Further kicks make the electrostatic field bigger.
Making the magnetic field bigger.
As the rate of rotation starts to build the voltage gets bigger.
As the pulsing and rotation approaches a known resonant frequency to which the output coil is already tuned to by cutting down the length of the wire, the energy field that provides the 'kicks' starts to sync to the output coil.

The design problem Steven faced was that using auto-feedback to get the rotation going meant the unit naturally wants to run towards the resonant frequency. Alternatively he could generate the rotating field electronically at the desired frequency by using an inverter circuit OR by using a motor to spin some magnets and then have coils to pick up the appropriate sin wave. But these solution require bigger batteries something he had to avoid if he wanted to have a device that he could easily prove to be overunity.

At this point we don't need to worry about having a feedback mechanism working. Probably safer not to because if we directly control the input signal from completely an outside source we can reduce or turn off this signal if things start to get hairy.

At this point in the game, we can use outside power sources, sinewave/function generators, and high voltage pulse generators, in order to prove the concept.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 13, 2006, 05:56:02 AM
Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 13, 2006, 10:18:09 PM
Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?

I doubt it, because we are just forming the complete theory ;), at least I know I am doing this first.

It can't be that difficult to build, after all, look at Steven's first prototype in that video, :). It looks like he used some pieces from CD spindles, some copper wire, some bailing wire, and a magnet. And of course the control electronics, which can't be anything intricate.

The main problem was getting a complete grasp of the concept, and I now feel we have a fairly good grasp of it now, after piecing everything together from the videos, Steven's writings, and that last article I posted.

I agree, we are getting a handle on this. In the SM quote you posted along with the article.. this one:
Quote
I would also like to say that in the video Steven says "these devices take energy from the inherent magnetic field of the earth....there is a frequency pattern setup in here...if you hold the device in your hands it vibrates ever so slightly right around at 7.3 cycles per second".

I wonder if he meant 7.83, which is the strongest of the schumann resonances.

If so, that is a big indicator as well.

I sure would like some confirmations of our ideas, if we're going in the right directions or not.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 13, 2006, 11:47:04 PM

Abstract of US5487113
A method and apparatus is disclosed for producing one or more audiospatial effects in an original audio signal. A spatially disorienting signal, typically a modified white noise pattern, is combined with the original audio signal. A spatially reorienting signal is further combined with the original audio signal in order to give a listener the perception, upon hearing the original audio signal played back, that the sound emanates from a predetermined direction.


So, Steven definitely knew his audio processing ;).

Yes, that's one of the reasons I figured he might use something like the crystal radio concept. I was trying to get on the same wavelength he was when he discovered it. Knowing he was an audio engineer, and he spoke of the TPU being like a radio receiver, I asked my self, "what would and audio engineer who was interested in free energy base their device off of?"

Now reading this, I KNOW that he's using ELV/VLF/SCHUMANN resonances. You see the spatial disorientation stuff? Read this...

Here's some examples of the different biological effects amplified schumann resonances can cause. Some beneficial, some.... not so much....

http://www.bwgen.com/presets/desc45.htm

What rang a bell for me was this.

Quote
while using this frequency i felt a wierd buzzing in my head and even though i knew where i was i felt like i was somewhere else. Can some1 tell me what that was?

hmm.... spacial disorientation perhaps?

He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.

I can smell this thing now.... It's close.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 14, 2006, 12:47:19 AM

He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.

I can smell this thing now.... It's close.


We indeed are close.

Steven's theoretical timeline of events:

The idea you laid out above makes perfect sense, he was already using the schumann resonance frequencies in his attempts to make new audio products for his company when he happened upon the concept for the TPU.

So, he grabs what he has around, ie. some bailing wire, some copper wire, some capacitors, some small electronic parts, some crude structure to hold the stuff together, and there is the very device that we see in that first video, the device on which he places only one magnet, the same device that won't operate upside down. This device is turned on by the insertion of a permanent magnet.

A video later, we see his next device, the one in which he inserts two magnets on opposite sides of the device, but as you said, the magnets are in the same orientation around the unit. This unit is also quite crude, but here Steven demonstrates the lighting of resistive loads with this device. Here also, Steven seems to have solved the upside-down-problem, perhaps by using the two magnets? This device is turned on by the insertion of two permanent magnets.

The next videos show three different coil devices, a small, a medium, and the very large one. Each is completed wrapped with electrical tape in a nice ring shape so as to make the presentation of the device more appeasing to the eye and also to hide the device's internals to on-lookers, for the first two devices weren't shown to investors because all the components were in view and they were too crude. The small device is turned on by the insertion of what looks like a small magnet on the inside of the coil, the medium device is turned on by the switching of one toggle switch, and the largest device is turned on by the switching of two toggle switches at over one second apart.

I'd say thats a possible timeline for Steven's development of the TPU.

We are VERY close now...

Put one together and make it produce some power! 

More power to ya! 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 14, 2006, 07:59:06 AM
HOLY CRAP!!! Check this out!! From your article. (I haven't read it all yet, but it's like SM wrote the damn thing!) This is incredible.

Quote
How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.

another quote

Quote
The energy doesn't vanish, instead it ends up INSIDE the atom. Half of the energy goes into "kicking" an electron to a higher level, and the other half is re-emitted as "scattered" waves.

I mean, c'mon, this guy has to have thought of this. He's described it to a "t" and he doesn't even know it.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 14, 2006, 04:15:55 PM
OK, you're way ahead of me here, I have to read two more articles still. Thing is, I thought I had read almost all of Bill B.'s stuff, science hobbyist is one of my favorite sites re: this kind of stuff. He's a pretty sharp guy. Kind of like a Bill Nye type of dude, he used to have a "ask bill" thing. Cool thing is, he's right in my back yard, so I can ask him if he ever built one. Or if he's heard of SM. I bet they've had a few conversations over the years.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 14, 2006, 04:34:19 PM
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but if this TPM is basically an antenna........we need  an expert in coil type antenna tuning or possibly Tesla coil tuning. All Tesla coils and coil type antennas require exactly this type of "tuning" to achieve resonance and amplification. I've been following the Marks stuff for years and this is by far the best info yet! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 14, 2006, 05:06:11 PM
Tuning a coil is simply a matter of having the right equipment and a pair of wire snips. Problem is, I don't think any of us have the right equipment. Tao is in college, and their electronics dept. might, so he might be able to build all of our coils for us. I'm not positive of that however.

Regards,
Gn0stik.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 14, 2006, 05:24:58 PM
If you can get a hold of an old ARRL (American Radio Relay League) handbook (ham operator book), this book usually has very useful formulas and charts for resonate circuits, tank circuits or series resonate circuits.  It will help you calculate close values to get into the ball park if you know the frequency of the circuit that you need.  It can also help you calculate the Q of the tank or series resonate circuit. 

Here is a page that may be helpful as a online calculator for ohm's law and resonate circuits. 

http://www.wd5gnr.com/calc.htm (http://www.wd5gnr.com/calc.htm)

Liberty
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 14, 2006, 06:19:39 PM
Hi All,
nice new infos.
So can somebody draw a picture how you think the
coils are located to each other ?
Is the main coil in the 1 KW device then a iron wire coil
and around it is a copper coil wound to extract the power ?
Thanks Tao for posting the private emails !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 14, 2006, 07:20:49 PM
Hmm, the circuit must probably be kept oscillating near the "resonance catastrophe" frequency !

I still remember pretty well, when a few months ago I wondered, why my flat was shaking a bit
and a pretty load deep humming sound was heard all over my flat.

It was generated by a truck standing about 50 Meters away and having its motor run idle
and the small noise it generated from the motor was the exact resonance frequency of my
flat room and thus there was really a "good" vibration all over the place in
my flat and I really wondered how such a small outside noise could be this big
amplified....it probably really was the resonance amplification of energy at the exact
resonance frequency...
Also I remember somebody telling me in my physics classes, that when the
oscillations at the resonance point get too big, the sin(x) equatations don?t fit anymore....

So the coils must probably have a very high Q in the Mark?s setup to resonate very well...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 14, 2006, 08:54:16 PM

Doing it my way, as it said in that post that Steven confirmed, all you need is a voltage potential, from mV to really any V, this voltage potential could be from anything, perhaps the Schumann Resonance?, Perhaps A small battery?, Perhaps an already charged capacitor?


Or many thin wire to few thick wire. Maybe this is what he mean with circuit potential?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 14, 2006, 09:10:21 PM

The problem is, what about all that stuff Steven was saying about getting too close to the exact resonant frequencies and how it would instantly destroy the device and such? And how all the circuitry in the TPU is there not for generating impulse, but there to stop the device from running too close to its ??


Sorry, i didn't read all before answering! So one more post.

Is there a resonant frequency of the length of the wire?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 14, 2006, 10:43:01 PM

The problem is, what about all that stuff Steven was saying about getting too close to the exact resonant frequencies and how it would instantly destroy the device and such? And how all the circuitry in the TPU is there not for generating impulse, but there to stop the device from running too close to its ??


Sorry, i didn't read all before answering! So one more post.

Is there a resonant frequency of the length of the wire?



yes
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 01:15:51 AM
Tao and all,

Now that was a great find. Indeed wow. so many angles to think about.

Quote
Bill says:
If we wind ourselves a toroidial (donut) inductor and plug it into a 120VAC wall plug, the device will draw a current but ideally won't draw any flow of energy. However, if we then wind a big loose 1-turn secondary "coil" around the donut (through its hole) and short out this "coil", a huge amperage appears in the wire, the coil grows red hot, and many hundreds of watts are drawn from the donut inductor and from the wall outlet. Even if the 1-turn secondary is lifted significantly away from the coil, it still heats up.

Why is this weird? After all, it's just the way that normal transformers work. But think for a moment. In donut-inductors, the magnetic field-lines from each turn of wire extend over to the area enclosed by the next turn of wire, and as a result the magnetic field connects in a circle, and no field extends past the surface of the donut. Yet the secondary coil is entirely *outside* the donut, and therefor the magnetic flux never touches it. We can even use a large, narrow toroid (a hoop-like primary coil) and wind a floppy secondary over it so that the turns of the secondary coil remain many inches away from the wires of the primary and many inches away from the magnetic flux it encloses. The question arises: how does the magnetic field inside the donut-inductor create a current in the secondary coil if no magnetic flux comes anywhere near the the secondary coil?

The field around a donut-inductor is odd because it acts as if it cannot be shielded. If we try to place a metal shield between the primary and secondary of the donut-transformer, this simply creates another "shorted secondary winding" on the transformer. The shield becomes hot and draws an additional energy-flow from the wall plug, but as long as the resistance of the windings is low, this won't stop our original secondary from drawing its own, independent energy flow. Apparently the "voltage circles" surrounding a donut-transformer are unshieldable.

Note also that tesla 'radiant energy' i.e. the Steven Mark's 'kicks' also has this unshielded aspect.

Steven Mark also told us to investigate the anomalies of a toroid...

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 15, 2006, 01:26:19 AM
Well, it is not the flux density at work, but the magnetic vector potential A .
The flux density is always just the output of a vectorpotential change  dA/dt .

So this is always overseen in magnetic circuits.
This is why it is much more intelligent to try to design magnetic circuits
from looking at the magnetic vector potential A, which is perpendicular to
 flux density B !

You can NOT explain a transformer logically with the fluxdensity change dB/dt
but you can explain it very well with the dA/dt change !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 15, 2006, 01:32:33 AM
Hmm, too bad I don?t have much time now, so I can?t experiment, but if somebody has
a pulse generator and some free time and some iron wire,
please test the following:

Please wire up an aircore coil from iron wire , e.g. 250 windings and
try to pulse it with short voltage pulse spikes.
You can alternatively also use a 12 Volt battery and use a toggle switch to
pulse 12 Volts pulses onto the coil mechanically, which might be
even better, as the mechanical contact can have more effects...
You will see, that an iron coil has no Back EMF voltage !

That I had already tested last year !
It seems that themagnetic flux generated is just sucked in
by its own material and it also would be interesting to see,
from which amperage on you can repell a permanent magnet...
As small amperage would probably not produce a big external
magnet field you would need probably more amperage than in
a copper coil to produce the same repelling forces onto a permanent magnet,
as the permanent magnet always wants to attract the iron coil....
See, what pulsing of the iron coil will get you....
Where is the resonance frequency and how will you get
Back EMF at all ?

Then also wind a copper coil around the iron coil, as if the iron
coild would be the core of a transformer and see, what will show
up on a scope at the copper coil, if you pulse the iron coil...
Maybe you can see several pulse spikes on the copper coil output
when you just pulse with ONE pulse the iron coil ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 01:48:06 AM
So, what resonant frequency should we design out resonant circuits to:

Schumann Resonance: 7.83Hz
--- wavelength of  38287670 meters 38287km!

OR

Magnetic Field Resonance: 173.9KHz
--- wavelength of 1723.93593 meters - 1/4 wavelength of 861.967965
--- wavelength of 5655.95777 feet - 1/4 wavelength of 1413.9894425
--- wavelength of 67871.49324 inches - 1/4 wavelength 16967.87331

On a tesla secondary the wirelength used is a quarter wavelength. I don't know whether this is strictly relevant but I've given the wavelengths above incase they ring any bells with numbers that are the same or very near, that you've seen else where or in other devices.

By the way I found this website to convert between units rather than plugging numbers into a calculator:
http://www.1728.com/freqwave.htm

Given that a magnetic field from a magnet seemed to set the coils in motion. I'm assuming that the coils are tuned to the Magnetic Field Resonance and that the 7.8Hz vibration that Steven once mentioned is a side effect of this tuning.

Diameters of Steven Marks coil - are 5 inches (from Engineers report)
2.5 inches - mentioned by Steven on video.
15 inches - my guess by looking at the video.

As Steven Mark said the frequency is related to the circumference of the TPU (and therefore the diameter).
Although I'm used to dealing in meters/centimeter I think our measurement units should be in feet and inches.

I'm going to try and come up with some calcs for the 2.5 inch version... I'm assuming this will need less wire...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 02:01:14 AM
Well, it is not the flux density at work, but the magnetic vector potential A .
The flux density is always just the output of a vectorpotential change  dA/dt .

So this is always overseen in magnetic circuits.
This is why it is much more intelligent to try to design magnetic circuits
from looking at the magnetic vector potential A, which is perpendicular to
 flux density B !

You can NOT explain a transformer logically with the fluxdensity change dB/dt
but you can explain it very well with the dA/dt change !


Hi Hartiberlin,
Not familiar with the term magnetic vector potential A - is this the Electric Field component of an electromagnetic wave ? or related by some formula ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 15, 2006, 02:33:28 AM
Hmm, it is the curl of magnetic flux density B.
But it can be seen as a perpendicular circle around the
flux density circle .
So the electron flow in a wire is really only caused by the A field,
cause it directly propells the electrons.
( The electrons flow in the same direction the A-Field curls around
the magnetic flux line...)
The magnetic field line
around a conductor is only a side effect !
So in a transformer with a circular iron core , where the
B-field from the primary is totally inside the core, the scondary coil
just gets its power from the changing A-field and  not from the
changing B-field.

What would be interesting to study would be a transformer,
that has a DC current in its primary coil, but the core diameter is
changing ! This will also induce power in the secondary coil,
as the A-Field is changing !
or build 2 iron cores in each other, one with a bigger diameter
and have on each core a primary winding.
Then switch the primary current from the bigger diameter core coil to the
smaller diameter core coil and have a secondary coil going through
both cores.
Thus you will change the diameter electronically and thus have a changing
diameter core... This will induce current inside the secondary coil....but I don?t know,
if this have a Lentz effect on the power source....
so ifyou draw power from the secondary it might not be reflected back to the 2 switched
primary coils...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 02:40:07 AM
Magnetic Field Resonance: 173.9KHz
--- wavelength of 1723.93593 meters - 1/4 wavelength of 861.967965
--- wavelength of 5655.95777 feet - 1/4 wavelength of 1413.9894425
--- wavelength of 67871.49324 inches - 1/4 wavelength 16967.87331
.
.
.
Diameters of Steven Marks coil - are 5 inches (from Engineers report)
2.5 inches - mentioned by Steven on video.
15 inches - my guess by looking at the video.

As Steven Mark said the frequency is related to the circumference of the TPU (and therefore the diameter).


I think I've found something that is either amazingly coincidental or extremely relevant...

Given that 'pi' 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 etc is used in coil calcs and in calculating circumference from the diameter I decided to divide the wavelengths by 'pi' to see what I would get. I choose feet because this is the unit of measurement that Steven Mark used.

Guess what: 5655.95777 / 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 1800.3472740290264967375540913472

What are the chances that dividing by 'pi' is going to be 1800 and a decimal and not 1801 and a decimal but 1800 ? But also that the Steven Mark diameters of 2.5, 5 and 15 are exactly divisible into 1800 ie. factors.

And similarly for the quarter wavelength 1413.9894425 / 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 =
450.08681850725662418438852283681

And 450 is also exactly divisible by 2.5, 5 and 15.

Working backward:

1800 x 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 5654.8667764616278292327580899031feet

Wavelength of 5654.86677feet = Frequency of   173.933551kHz

This has got to be relevant ? Or is it a mathematical oddity ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 15, 2006, 02:53:50 AM
Hmm, yes, seems interesting...
Maybe he is just pulsing his iron wire coil with around 180 Khz,
where the Barkhausen noise occurs and this way with one single pulse
he can get several pulses from the barkhausen domain jumps in his iron wire
and if he feeds these back in a collector coil wound around the iron coil, he can have a positive
feedback loop, so this thing gets itsself to oscillate ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 15, 2006, 02:55:55 AM
?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?

Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 03:10:51 AM
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 03:17:09 AM
Thanks hartiberlin for your reply describing the magnetic vector potential.

Also found this document, with a few diagrams for visualising, if this helps other people. It helped me!

http://abacus.bates.edu/~msemon/thoughts.pdf
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 15, 2006, 03:31:38 AM
Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 03:46:46 AM
Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?
No, he'd make us all look like idiots. :) ;D
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 04:01:08 AM
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!

Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.

Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.

If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.

Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.

This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.

Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.

This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 04:03:48 AM
oops, double post
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 15, 2006, 04:54:19 AM
Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.

http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm

The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.

Series LC  http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html

As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.

With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series... 
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
 
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 15, 2006, 05:00:03 AM
Oh yeah... putting all this in frame with the marks device... there was a discussion about his circuit being resonant with the frequency of magnetism... which would explain how the "kick" of the magnet approaching would start something that would grow...  *see the links above about resonant LC circuits*
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 05:09:50 AM
thanks gnostic, your summary of Bill's ideas has suddenly clicked with me. Going off to reread Bill's stuff again...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Automan on June 15, 2006, 06:33:58 AM
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.

I enjoyed the last amazing  unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the  "evil government supression" , the  air force's  secret experiments with the "technology"  He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine.  Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits.  It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)

I do wish he had finished  that story, it was quite entertaining.  For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html

Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style.  What ever you's do, do NOT give money.  Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)


You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of  Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf  (Supposedly  ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". )  A very interesting Study.)

I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and  how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.

I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near  cities, or other communities.  It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines.  That's quite a punch.  It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me?  I work for a power company as an engineer. You  can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml  and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf   I'm sure you will find this quite informative.  Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer,  You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 06:45:24 AM
Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.

http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm

The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.

Series LC  http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html

As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.

With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series... 
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
 
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.




Thanks for the detail, and the links, we already read about the LC circuits in the www.amasci.com links. But the detail is very welcome. The gains that might start a flame war are well discussed in those articles. In fact the gain is only limited by the Q. So it only depends on how much power you want, and you build the circuit to match your needs. It's out there for the taking. The thing is.... You can take this power from ANY radiant power source within our atmosphere. If there's a particular radio station you hate, feel free to tune your circuits to their frequency and siphon what you need.

So yeah, fun stuff. Crazy thing is, look at the dates of these articles. They line up very well with when the SM device came to light.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 06:59:50 AM
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.

I enjoyed the last amazing  unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the  "evil government supression" , the  air force's  secret experiments with the "technology"  He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine.  Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits.  It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)

I do wish he had finished  that story, it was quite entertaining.  For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html

Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style.  What ever you's do, do NOT give money.  Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)


You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of  Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf  (Supposedly  ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". )  A very interesting Study.)

I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and  how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.

I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near  cities, or other communities.  It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines.  That's quite a punch.  It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me?  I work for a power company as an engineer. You  can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml  and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf   I'm sure you will find this quite informative.  Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer,  You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)




Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science. Please tell me, is it possible to draw power directly out of the thin air? Turns out, SM isn't the inventor or even conceiver of these principals at all. He's simply a very creative implementer of it.  Of course, you being an engineer, will pooh pooh, the source, or even the source's sources. However, keep this in in mind. If radiant energy was an impossible concept.... crystal radios wouldn't work.. BTW what was your first electrical project? I bet a crystal radio was one of your first 10 at least, eh mr. engineer?

If mannix or mark annoys you. ignore them. frankly, mannix's presentation is quite annoying. But you can join us, if you'd like, in trying to figure this thing out. We're pretty much there on theory, now we need to implement. Just think, if nothing happens, you'd get to be there to say "told you so".

Oh, and nobody here invests in these things. If someone actually came up with a device that could go over unity, and didn't freely share it with the world, he would automatically be placed on the "suspicious" list. At least for most of us. We've seen a lot come and go, man.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Automan on June 15, 2006, 07:23:51 AM
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!

Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.

Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.

If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.

Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.

This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.

Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.

This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.



Have you ever seriously sat down and asked yourself, reseached as to how it's even possible for the earth to generate a magnetic field?

Lets examine this a little closer.

Most earth scientists believe that the earth, as well as having a high density, the  core, unlike the mantle, must be metallic in order to generate the geomagnetic field. According to the dynamo theory, fluid motion in the earth's outer core moves conducting material (liquid iron) across an already existing(how?), weak magnetic field and generates an electric current. The electric current, in turn, produces a magnetic field that also interacts with the fluid motion to create a secondary magnetic field. Together, the two fields are stronger than the original (a transformer) and lie essentially along the earth's rotation axis.

The main characteristics of the geomagnetic field includes short-term and long-term fluctuations in intensity, reversals of polarity at irregular intervals (ranging from tens of thousands to tens of millions of years), an 11? offset between the geomagnetic axis and spin axis, and the drift of the magnetic poles around the geographic poles in an estimated period of several thousand years. Scientists assume that the dynamo theory can explain these features, though a detailed understanding is lacking. There are competing dynamo models, and a great deal of fudging is required to get the numerical models to reproduce some of the features of the actual magnetic field.

To explain the offset between the earth's geomagnetic axis and the spin axis, some scientists believe that the earth's overall Magnetic field may be a combination of a central, dynamo-created dipole field, aligned with the rotation axis, and several variable dipole fields located in the outermost portions of the core. But other scientists argue that there is no physical mechanism to generate dipoles near the core's surface [2]. Some planets have even greater and more puzzling tilts between their magnetic and rotation axes: 46.8? in the case of Neptune, and 58.6? in the case of Uranus.

 Even assuming that an outer core of liquid iron exists (which isn't likely for a variiety of reasons), there are major problems with the dynamo theory.

 Scientists are somewhat vague as to how a magnetic field could extend 2,000 miles beyond an electric current. It requires a very powerful current to produce even relatively weak magnetic effects a very short distance above the flow. The electrical resistance of iron, at the alleged temperatures of the core(moleten), would be staggering. A steady flow of electricity requires constant potential differences. How are such potential differences produced and maintained in this hypothetical core?

The magnitude, width, and depth of such currents would have to be unbelievable to extend the magnetic field even a small fraction of the distance required, and the EMF [electromotive force] required to produce it would be even more incredible. Where could such an EMF come from? So far, scientists are reluctant to explain this, especially since these currents are confined to a ball and would therefore follow closed paths.

V.N. Larin [Hydridic earth, 1993, pp. 199-200.] questions whether a mechanism exists to maintain strong electric currents in the earth's interior during its entire evolution, and argues that the very existence of active convection in the core is dubious. If convection is of thermal origin, then the source of heat in the iron core is incomprehensible. Another possibility is radioactivity, but no mechanism is known which might have segregated radioactive elements together with iron and nickel. Some scientists think that the heat source of convection may be the ongoing growth of the core. In this case, the heat would come from the potential energy of heavy particles settling in the gravity field, but this is unlikely to have lasted several billion years .

An alternative theory has been proposed by J.M. Herndon, [Substructure of the inner core of the earth', pp. 646-8] who suggests that the earth's magnetic field is largely produced by electric currents generated by a self-sustaining nuclear fission reaction in a uranium (and thorium) subcore at the centre of the earth, having a density as high as 26 g/cm? . However, the existence of such a subcore is entirely hypothetical. It also destroys the entire theory of inner earth structure. (It shows how little we really know about this planet)

 Given their belief in the generation of magnetic fields by convection currents of electrically conducting liquid iron in a planet's core, scientists were puzzled by the discovery that the Moon and Mercury had significant magnetic fields, since the Moon's core is believed to be entirely solid and Mercury's core nearly so. Venus is believed to have an entirely liquid core and was expected to possess a strong magnetic field, but no significant self-generated field has been detected. The magnetic fields of Jupiter and Saturn are believed to be generated by electric currents within a layer of liquid metallic hydrogen inside them, while the fields of Neptune and Uranus are thought to be produced in their superheated liquid mantles -- but all this is little better than guesswork  Clearly the present dynamo theory cannot explain the magnetic fields detected around some asteroids.

I think someone who posted that our magnetic field is produced by the sun is probably closer to the truth than he knows. 
It's really impossible for the earths core, 5000 or more miles below the surface to generate such a giant magnetic field.  Especially since the core is thought to be solid, as is the outer core.   It would also have to be spinning on it's own separate axis.

We are coming to a time where we need to update these age old models of what and the earth is constructed., no matter how much it hurts the establishment.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Automan on June 15, 2006, 07:48:49 AM
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science.


I have read the entire thread before I posted.

I gave my reasons why I  think these people are playing games with you.  If you choose to continue,  that's just fine with me.  But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.





I second what gn0stik says and would like to add this: Please don't post anything more in this thread unless you intend to contribute, for it you don't contribute all you are doing in taking up space and hindering our creativity.

You made your statements and tried to make your points and I respect your theories, as I do everyones'.

So please leave it and us alone now.

We have better things to do than read about how we are 'being suckered' and 'all wrong' about what we are doing. OK? Fine, its over now.


I have read the entire thread before I posted.

I gave my reasons why I  think these people are playing games with you.  If you choose to continue,  that's just fine with me.  But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.

It's rather rude of you to suggest I'm "trolling".   I would contribute, but Now I don't think I'll bother.
Have fun.   I'll just read along and laugh.  You aren't the first people this guy has played.  He's quite good at it.   

Make sure your wire is pointing north when you hold it in the air. (Think about that for a moment as well)

And think about the first statment on page one. Does a 100 hp car engine run and put out 100 HP at all times and all RPM? Or does it have a throttle?   Ask him to show the math which shows how much HP is required to maintain this car of his @ 60MPH. Cruising speed.  The truth of the matter, is that his 25 hp 2 cycle engine is far less efficient than the 100 hp 4 stroke.   @ strokes do not have any torque, they make up for it via RPM, they gobble gas because they are a simple pump with no valves, just ports.   Ask him how he determined this 2 strokes exaust system design for the load and weight of the car, and for "charging"  batteries?   It makes no sense to use a 2 stroke for charging batteries.

And no "DUDE",  you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science. 

In fact, you can't even provide a diagram.  he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet  not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.

have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"? 
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see"  the light.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Automan on June 15, 2006, 08:07:12 AM
?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?

Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?

Of course they do! Plus eddy currents, and  anything any othr flux material suffers from.

Konehead does a lot of playing around with pulse motors, and iron wire for some things, maybe you can find some usefull information on his page.
This link is for building  very efficient neo-mag generator, but just click back to his main page. I think he uses iron wire coils to pick up stray back emf and feed it back into his pulse outboard motor.

http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/RVMuller.html



Ooops.  That's not what you were looking for.
I was thinking of This :http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/splatterenergy.html

Which is how to pick up Flux "splatter" and feed it back .  Steel core coil, not steel wire.
Still, it's a good tip
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Automan on June 15, 2006, 08:21:32 AM
And no "DUDE",  you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science. 

In fact, you can't even provide a diagram.  he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet  not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.

have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"? 
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see"  the light.




Even if this whole thing was bunk and bogus, I know for a fact that me and gn0stik could give a crap, because we already learned some amazing things in our process of looking at this 'fake invention'.

I thank you for your concerns, I really do, but I feel that they aren't warranted in this thread.



That's all well and fine.  I was just warning you, there was no need to be rude.

I never said this guy was stupid, just a player.  He's probably reading  http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm and feeding you  interesting things that are sort of relevant, but in the end, they all add up to nothing. 

Anyways, carry on.  You'll find this same sort of thing(but a different story) on many sites.   It's all well and fine, until they con someone out of cash. then it isn't funny anymore.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 09:32:23 AM
Hi Mannix,

Any comments on the posts to this forum in the last week or so ?

Are you still in contact with Steven Mark ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 15, 2006, 10:38:25 AM
The old rotating compass.

Been thinking about the compass. A compass is placed within the space in the center of the toroid. The unit is started and the compass starts to speed up, until the unit gets to maximum power where the compass stops rotating. When the unit it turned off, the compass starts to rotate again and then slows down and stops. It's been commented that there is a jet engine turbine effect.

These are the only reasons I can think for this effect:

a. The magnetic field stops rotating.
b. The magnetic field ceases to be.
c. The magnetic field moves away from influencing the compass.
d. The magnetic field is spinning so fast the compass needle can't get a hold.

I don't think a. or b. are realistic, the compass does start rotating again on slow down.
I find it hard to think d. It's like saying that you can't feel a 200km wind because it's going so fast. If the magnetic field was there you'd get rotation of the compass even if there was a lot of slippage.

But we know the device has inertial effects. And like a tornado the eye has no movement.I think that whatever field is set up has vortex like effects which as it speed up causes the center to be void of magnetic fields, which is 'c' above. Something like a spinning electron field!!! (Hello Mr Mannix thanks for that clue in your last post!)

Incidently I think the first devices created by Steven Mark relied on self-resonance and tuned coils only. With them tuned in to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet which we are assuming, with good reason, to be 173.9 Khz. Extracting energy probably proved to be difficult because variable resistive loads will change the resonance. i.e. You'd have to tune your device to the expected resistance. And if the resistance changed over time (like a heating lightbulb filament might change resistance) you'd probably pass over the exact resonance point and boom your device dissappears in a mass of smoke and copper....

Once he understood the nature of what he was tapping into - and I'm summising the unknown field is spiral (helical) in nature - he was able to create advanced devices. It is these later devices that exhibit the spinning compass effect.

On later devices I believe he was able to directly create the required frequencies and thus not have to rely on tricky positive feedback loops which can get out of hand. If you want to tap into a spiral electric field you need to create a circular polarising waveform. This is what the four coils we can see are for, I believe.  The coils would be oriented vertically - with pole going up/down - with a sine signal applied 90degree out of phased. For info. on circular polarisation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization

It is the electric field that spirals and the 'kicks' generate electrostatic effects. Patrick Flanagen's device was an Electron Field Generator.




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 04:28:56 PM
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have heard very little from Steven of late.
I had drawn his attention to the current thread yesterday ,hoping that he might want to add to the entheusiasim  but i feel that when he sees the rubbish of late he may understandibly shrink away.

He really liked Dr Morays speech

For those who find my attitude annoying I would like to point out that it is a very fine line between copying and discovering and I do find it frustrating going over what was clearly emphasised previously.

The reason that he has chosen to work thru me is that it insulates him from the stuff that comes from time to time . Many times he has said that he will never look here again.  As far as he is concerned he has given us what it took him 10 years to discover. He has also shared the inspiration as well as the fact that the actual source of the energy is not clearly understood . Perhaps tesla understood it. I urge you all to experiment with the head start that he has offered.
I think it unlikely that he will post a diagram but I am sure that he will encourage understanding. This involves people being hands on. I do not know what will come of this but the process is worth contributing to and I urge people with a positive attitude to stay with it ..as for the others they should just watch.
They have nothing to lose and nobody wants any money!
If you think that this is a game then simply do not play if you dont want to but Please try not to  make something both fantastic and hard, even harder for those with the courage, who dare to stick thier head into this.

End of annoyance

Sincerly

Lindsay Mannix

So Im not sure who will be offended by what. But I am sure that Steven would be offended by the rubbish. Perhaps he is too sensitivor perhaps he is just completely unimpressed.           

Welcome back Lindsay. I hope you didn't take the comment I posted about you the wrong way. I have to admit, I used to find you fairly annoying, and had a lot of questions about your presentation tactics, and the way info has been distributed here. At any rate, I've been working hard to understand the principals you've laid down for us in your parable, and prior to that, and I think we've hit on some important principles here. Whether Steven Discovered, or re-discovered, or simply implemented, is of no concern of mine, I will still give credit where credit is due. I'm perfectly aware that in many cases principles have been discovered by many people in a very close time frame. I sure would appreciate some validation of what we've been talking about as of late. We can still move on without it, as I'm relatively sure we've hit on some good info. Heck, perhaps Bill got his info from Steven.  My biggest worry at the moment, is that knowing how dangerous it is, what kind of precautions should we take when implementing. How to SAFELY implement. I don't want my first attempt to go runaway, and start zapping me from across the room. We WILL give this a shot very shortly.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 15, 2006, 09:11:57 PM

It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.



You didn't see nothing...  Take a look at this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneSmallStepForMan/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneSmallStepForMan/)

Now that's a great source of personal entertainment!


Hey thanks for the link, there's some good info in there. Regardless of the spirit in which you posted it.

@Stefan: hey man, our threads are getting derailed quite frequently by these guys who would prefer to be derisive than contribute. Are you ok with that? (not you Kosh).

@Automan: What do you care if we're wasting our time? It's our time to waste. Go bother someone who's wasting OTHER people's time. Like politicians or something. What did you think? That you would just come here and disseminate your immense amount of conventional wisdom and we would all just snap out of it?
That you would personally come and save us from being deluded by hucksters? How self-important is that?
Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 16, 2006, 12:07:42 AM
Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.

I agree, this thread has been derailed enough by that Automan, everything was going nicely until he wasted almost a day of our time and filled many pages of this thread with pointless 'arguements'.

 Lets get back to the issues guys.

Onward to the goal gn0stik!!!

;)

Alright then, After having read and re-read Beatty's pages, and diagrams etc., I have a pretty good idea how to build one of these things. However I have NO equipment with which to tune a coil, and to be frank, I'm a bit scared of this thing. I don't generally mess around with electronics that have a big "bite" to them, without significant safety assurances.. And this thing could chew my damn leg off if I'm not careful. Nevertheless I'm thinking that if we get some figures down for diameter, width, and number of turns, etc., that can help us build coils without tuning equipment, I will end up buying some wire, and going tongue in cheek with this thing, as long as I rig up a deadman switch that I can operate from a distance. I am, again, re-reading the amasci.com stuff, to solidify this stuff in my mind. I'm also checking out the papers he used a references, as those serve well as coroborative materials. (not that a UW professor has no credibility of his own)

Any way, here is the the C.F. Bohren Paper.

http://www.cheniere.org/references/bohren/index.htm

Bearden's web site had it for free, everywhere else, I had to log in, or buy it.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 16, 2006, 02:04:29 AM
I've commented a couple. the white stuff next to the "heat sink" looks like simple peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device.

Regards,
Gn0stik.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 16, 2006, 05:16:39 AM
That is nothing interesting, peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device. To confirm this, look at the spot underneath the commented pic with the two large caps in it. There is some material cut away there as well. Now, the pic that you posted above of the two round things on top of the heatsink are interesting. The now look like they could be inductors. In previous pictures they just looked like notched disks, now the notches appear to be windings.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 16, 2006, 06:55:53 AM
Yes, according to one of Steven's videos, he said on his first device with bailing wire, that the magnets "set up the frequency" of the device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 16, 2006, 07:05:51 AM
From Bills site:

http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vectFE.html

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If there is an energy gain, then probably we can wind a small pickup-coil onto the inductor of the tuned circuit, then connect the terminals of the donut-coil to this small pickup-coil instead of to the high-frequency generator. This will form a so-called "stand-alone closed-loop free energy device." Without some sort of governor mechnism such as some back- to-back Zener diodes connected across the tuned circuit, the ZPE energy would build up within fractions of a second and cause a piece of the wire to melt (or perhaps the whole device would vanish in an immense flash and a clould of green copper-oxide smoke.)

Are those things pickup coils?


As for the magnets.... I'm not sure, I've gone back and forth from thinking that they are "smoke and mirrors" to being certain they are necessary.

The reason I was thinking they were smoke and mirrors because without them, the device is simple to look at and determine all the necessary components.

Bill beaty talks about the shorted secondary coil which the "kings electrons" go down and find a dead end, and then jump wires. I thought that perhaps the magnet starter was to create an initial inductance in the coil, which in turn begins the process of the electrons running down the wire, and hence a magnetic field. This magnetic field forces the magnetic field of the permanent magnets to re-orient in it's presence as it move around the coil, and move back into the coil once it has passed.

I don't really, know, it's all speculation, really.

What get's me is, I have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, they wouldn't be necessary at all. However I also have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, we'd just be stealing energy, and that's cheating... ;) Everything is free when you steal it, even energy. Again, just speculation. EVERY OTHER ASPECT has been nailed down.

I've sent Bill an email inviting him to this discussion. If he's ever experimented with this, I told him I'd be willing to pay him a visit.

Regards,
Gn0stik.  

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 16, 2006, 07:07:14 AM
Hi Tao & gnostic,

Found these videos which demonstrate interesting resonant phenomina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY&mode=suggested&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkox6niJ1Wc&mode=suggested&search=

Although sound is used it's the same principle for electromagnetic waves going around a coil or on a plate or round the circumference etc.

The reason I bring this up is that Tesla observed that disruptive discharge (i.e. kicks) caused different metal objects to accumulated different levels of charge based on their size. In other words this energy that comes from a kick has a specific frequency. If we want to gather this energy on a metal plate, pipe or using a coil we need to know what the frequency is so we can gather the energy effectively.

I'm almost certain I know what the component are in the video clips... but just checking before posting.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 16, 2006, 07:20:08 AM
The yellow tubes are high voltage polyester capacitors. I've checked the Steven video these yellow tubes have wires coming from them which can be seen at certain angles.

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg

(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg)

The two toroids are transformers for sure. 1 transformer for each driving frequency I'd say. Without knowing the number of turns I cant say whether they are increaing or decreasing the voltage. I suspect the turns are the same in which case they are acting like isolating transformers.

The wire and number of turns looks awfully thin to be chucking out any sort of heat. The heatsinks underneath the toroids I think are for high voltage switching mosfets. These mosfets would be used to generate a high voltage square wave with a sharp rise time. I've used these mosfets for exactly this purpose and they get incredibly hot (car ignition project). Also you would never mount the item generating the heat on top of the fins but underneath.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 16, 2006, 07:26:24 AM
The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 16, 2006, 02:31:37 PM
It looks like that every part is doubly present. similar to the thestatika.       

@tao   
ok, he use only one magnet to the small coil but maybe he just adds only the second magnet! Who knows?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 16, 2006, 03:09:45 PM
I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.

The idea is that a battery is connected across A and B but when doing so deliberately create sparks at both connections and then disconnect the battery. This should send some nice sharp pulses into the wires to get things going.

The idea is that a pulse travels down the wire to say kick unit (green) number 1, it then travels down 100's of thin litz wire. This generates a 'kick'. It is my theory that the kicks are electrostatic extremely high frequency high energy pulses that are 'electron' based i.e. negative. This electrostatic energy gathers on the copper tube and will then generate a larger pulse in kick unit 2 and then onto 3 and then onto 4. The wiring is done in such a way that on each reversal of the resonant circuit there are at least 4 kick units (1,2,3,4) or (5,6,7,8) that will be connected to a +ve potential. A +ve potential is necessary in order to get the electrons that are collected on the copper tube moving back through a kick unit to generate more kicks. The cross over at 4 and 8 is so that as current reverses (in LC resonant fashion) the electrons on this copper pipe will contribute to a much higher current on the reverse swing.

I've added a light bulb (25watt!) more for the resistance than any expectation of high current. It will also act as a fuse if unexpected volts or amps appear.

The capacitor and coil are only their for some resonance. Not particularly critical at this point perhaps do a few calcs to get 6khz. Capacitor should be high voltage 1000V minimum.

Sizing of the copper pipe will be critical. As I've mentioned before Tesla noted that size of metal changed how much energy was present on the metal. I believe this is due to a standing wave effect. My instinct says a square is better than a rectangle. For the copper pipe this means the height must be the same as the circumference. Or Height = diamater x pi. (0.5 inch diameter pipe should be easy to get hold of I think)

I think it is important to keep to imperial measurements (i.e. inches and 1/16 and 1/32 of an inch). My reasoning for this is imperial measurements are somewhere along the line, going way back, derived from arc measurements. Distance measured by 1 second of arc on the earth is equivalent to so many inches. Which is why degrees, minutes (') and seconds('') use the same abbreviation for feet(') and inches(''). There is a historic connection somewhere. And since the kicks are linked to sizes of things which in turn is linked to the ionesphere which in turn goes round the earth we might as well pick a unit that was derived from the dimensions of the earth.

Also note that the vertical position of the wire connection to the pipe may be critical to effective working. The Chladni virbratating sound demos/videos vividly showed the effect of how wavelength against size affected things. Perhaps the charge can only be tapped off at certain nodes as per a tesla coil.

The idea is to start in motion a series of experiments in order to get a working cascade unit.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 16, 2006, 08:24:16 PM
Initial power is my main problem too. There is so much of what BillB was saying in his papers that coincides with what SM's device does that it's scary, however..... All of Bill's papers talk about a power INPUT. There is no power input that we can see on SM's device. Somehow, the magnets provide this. Also in Bill's papers the power input was AC to power the antenna. The frequency of the current was set to the frequency of the LC circuit. This created the superposition of fields, or "worst case scenario". This is how the frequency is "set up" on the device in Bills papers. Since the TPU's LC is tuned to the resonant frequency of Magnetism itself, the magnets are used to "set up" the frequency, and get the ball rolling. It seems to me, that from what we know, it would take more than a momentary wave of a magnet to create enough current to set up the frequency. But perhaps the earth's magnetic field does the rest of the work?


The following is from the first paper we looked at.

Quote
How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 17, 2006, 01:52:17 AM
I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.

Looks good, I am just curious to see what that thing will do ;).

When done right, the KICKS will manifest themselves as HIGHER voltage than the input that created the KICKS, and those kicks will NOT inherently contain ANY CURRENT.

These KICKS are INSTANTANEOUSLY GENERATED and on a oscilloscope they will appear are large needle lines, hence you could call these KICKS somewhat of a static electricity.

The CURRENT will manifest once that HIGHER voltage KICK is APPLIED to AN INDUCTIVE LOAD, hence a coil/inductor with a resistive load connected to it.

This is not quite how I understand it. I guess the experiment will sort out what actually happens. As I understand, there are two parts to the kicks. When you suddenly apply any potential across a wire. i.e. a square wave with a sharp rise time, when viewing the voltage on an oscilloscope, yes, you will see the needle lines but this is an exact counter to applying the voltage, it is in effect a back emf, it's directly created and uses the power from the just applied current and voltage. The excess power never appears in this circuit. The circuit is completely balanced. Energy in = energy out. BUT a secondary affect of generating this kick is that the wire sends out rays of 'waves/particles'. Any metal objects near by of the correct shape are given a large charge. This 'problem' is designed away. Iron cores absorb this charge, metal parts are earthed. As Steven Mark says you short circuit the power. For this charge to be of any good to us, you need a mechanism of as Steven Mark, says, of "finding the potential". By connecting the copper pipe, which contains this freely generated charge, back to one side of the circuit via another kick generator you now have 'charge' flowing along a wire to the +ve side of the circuit. This IS the CURRENT. The current comes first not the high voltage. But we are immediately using this current flow to generate more kicks. But note the appearance of this charge and thus the current is instant. i.e. A VERY fast rise time. This is exactly what we want for even bigger kicks. This is the cascade in immediate action BEFORE any rise in voltage.

This extra charge ends up on the plate of the capacitor. Extra charge on a capacitor plate is the higher voltage. And hence as the LC resonant circuit reverses current direction, it does so at a higher voltage and thus more current flows than the pevious time. And hence bigger kicks.
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I know exactly how to make the KICKS, I just want to know how Steven is getting his INITIAL POWER that he uses to MAKE THE KICKS and power the solid state electronics.

Anywhere where there are solid state electronics you need to have a good reference voltage - realistically this has to come from a battery. A small 9Volt would be perfect. (You could use capacitors but why bother when a small battery will do and provide reliable consistent operation?) Consider a camara flash driven from a battery. You can easily generate 1000V in a capacitor for discharge. Once the pulses are going if it's a nicad battery you could feed some of the current back into the battery.

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Knowing that there is a wind up period in his unit I would have to say that there definitely is a feedback mechanism in his unit and that as the KICKS are reapplied to the input they continually RISE in VOLTAGE/POWER and this then produces larger kicks, perhaps THIS is why Steven said that the control circuitry had to be there so that the unit wouldn't destroy itself??

I think the control circuitry replaces most of the natural positive feedback mechanism. i.e. You put some solid state electronics in the feedback part of the mechanism and then you can control whether you allow the feedback to go round the system again. For instance, take my experiment. In theory as I loop round the finally kick, from kick-unit-4 and kick-unit-8 back to the beginning of the circuit there is nothing stopping the kicks from getting larger and larger other than the resistance of the lamp. If however you break that final kick. You can be back in control. The control unit would put out a large 'kick' hence the 1000V poly caps we can see. Inside the actual coil there could be a series of kick units cascaded. Hence 1 kick could generate 10 kicks if there were 10 units. Have a hundred units and you get a 100 kicks. If the 100 kicks generate more power than the cost of generating 1 kick you have over unity but now you are in control. The control unit kicks out 50 pulses a second (50hz) and 100 cascade units effectively convert this to 5000HZ.


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Then again, for me thats all the easy part, MY PROBLEM IS where does Steven get the INITIAL POWER to make that FIRST KICK and WHY does the units stop WHEN the permanent magnet is taken away?
Natural positve feedback requires a magnet ? I'll have to try my experiment with some magnets positioned around to see what happens.

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Does the units with the SPST switches EVEN HAVE MAGNETS??
Probably not if he's not looping round the kicks.

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Does he use the power from some distant AM radio station, just for those INITIAL KICKS?
I'd say he uses a battery. Perhaps the small units are very sensitive to the freq. of magnetism and start oscillating. I'm going to try and get the thing runnning from batteries first so I can understand the parameters of what is happening. I suspect once we know this we'll have a better chance of creating a non battery standalong device.

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Does he use the inherent frequencies of magnetism at about 175Khz taken from imbedded permanent magnets or the magnetism of the earth?
I'm going for 175kHz. After all we know the output is high frequency.




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 17, 2006, 04:34:57 AM
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This fact was proven by the experiment in which Peter Lindemann and another person stood near one of Eric Dollard's Tesla Magnifying Transmitters he built and each man stood perpendicularly outward from the device while it was in operation. Each man held a different electrode of a common light bulb and the bulb lit brightly while in their hands! Ask Peter if you don't believe.

Hi Tao, I do believe!

This is fascinating stuff. I wonder if each person was at a slightly different negative potential to each other. In other words the bulb lit by only partial transfer of the available charge!!

Do you have any good web references on Eric Dollard (I'll give google a whirl in the meantime) ?

I used to have an excellent book by Peter Lindemann with the picture of a tesla coil with an unconventional spark coming from the top of it, on the front of the book. The book got way layed in one of my moving house. Do you by any chance know of this book, and the name of the book ? As i'd like to purchase it again.

Excellent stuff tao. I think we're really motoring now.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 17, 2006, 04:55:20 AM
The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?

Hmm, my guess is, that he just uses these magnets to switch on the circuit
via a hidden reed relay switch and he has hidden a small 9 Volts block battery to generate
the right pulses for the coils !
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 17, 2006, 05:34:25 AM
@Bob,
where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?

@tao,
how would you generate your kicks and feedback them positively back ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 17, 2006, 12:16:39 PM
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@Bob,
where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?

No iron wire at present. My understanding is that the effect occurs when a current first tries to flow in a wire. Using enamelled litz wire is an easy way of applying a current to many wires at once. I think there is going to have to be a fair amount of experimentation to get the kick unit right. I've got a car ignition coil set up to give me a high voltage pulse. Time is my only issue at the moment. Litz wire might prove to be too thin, could just burn up. I'm hoping the large bundle of parallel litz wire will prevent this. Otherwise I'll be moving to a higher gauge wire, and no doubt will try iron wire.

To start with I'm going to try and nail down an effective design for one kick unit and will use a spark plug with a magnet to blow out the spark as fast as possible. The spark plug being used as a diode. Once I have a measureable and consistent effect I'll move on to trying to eliminatie the spark plug. I'm hoping a fast enough pulse train will eliminate the need for diodes. (My schematic is based on this assumption. As Steven Mark doesn't seem to have used diodes in his earlier designs).

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 17, 2006, 05:07:52 PM
Bob - You're on the right track with the ignition coil and spark plug... and the disruptive discharge.

If I might interject here... what the disruptive discharge does is release plasma.  That's not going to run in wire - but you might catch it on a plate.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 17, 2006, 05:42:38 PM
I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.

@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 17, 2006, 06:04:57 PM
In the aerial generator patent that I uploaded, iron wire was used around the magnets.  I believe it's purpose was to 'set up the frequency' between the on board magnets and with the magnetic field of the earth.  I gathered the idea that the device would not produce power unless iron wire was used in that part of the circuit...  Perhaps a small winding of iron wire around the magnets was being used in the TPU?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 17, 2006, 07:23:40 PM
I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.


Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.

Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?

Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.

Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......


*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....

Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 18, 2006, 03:24:13 AM
In reference to the 'kick' - if you are generating any current in a wire... then it will come at the standard cost... and you will see no overunity.

If you plan on using disruptive discharge to get overunity, then you need to understand that any current on the 'other side' of the gap is not free.  It will come at a cost - which is more than just running current through the wire... some of the energy is lost to heat.

What you can do with the spark gap is freeing plasma... and you can step that up, and then convert it to current to create more energy than you started with.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 18, 2006, 04:19:55 AM
@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?

Yes, it is a modified tank circuit. I'm assuming Steven Mark's device works using two principles. Firstly a cascading of 'kicks' and secondly pulsing the energy formed by these kicks so that these is some resonance with the ionesphere. Now obviously these two principle can be combined together if you know both the frequency for the kicks and the frequency for pulsing the resultant energy. In arbitrary units if you have an ideal frequency of 40 for kicks and an ideal frequency of 50 for pulsing ionesphere then a frequency of 200 will work OK as 40 and 50 are both factors of 200 but a frequency of 100 will not. Much easier to nail down one frequency first and then move up in multiples of this frequency to find out how to pulse the ionesphere.

The schematic is only intended to generate cascaded 'kicks'. The important part is the capacitor which provides a +ve plate to which the collected charge from the copper pipe can move towards thus generating the current. I've added the air coil in order to provide some additional impedance into the circuit in order to bring the resonant frequency down to a reasonable level so that I can observe on the basic oscilloscope that I have. I'm imagining that the 'kick' units will not have a high impedance because they are not really coils.

Totally separately as a test bed I'm proposing using an ignition coil driven by a mosfet circuit which in turn is turned on/off via a signal generator. That way I can give a big walloping charge to just one kick unit in order to get the geometry of the kick unit correct. i.e. To get the size of the collector plate correct. To do this I'll be trying different diameter copper pipe at different heights. As mentioned I'll be starting at a 1 to 1 ratio of height to circumference. So the ignition coil is just there for the test bed and not part of the schematic.

To make things slightly more complicated I've started reading Eric Dollard material as hightlighted by Tao (thanks Tao - it is certainly interesting). Eric believes that there is a difference 'quality' (as in the characterisitcs of the charge) of charge coming from a collapsing magnetic field and one coming from a capacitor... So I might have to scrap my ignition coil test bed idea for that of having a capacitor charging circuit for the capacitor and then organising for this capacitor to dump it's charge across a kick coil at regular intervals. This is more inline with what Tesla was doing with his Wireless Energy Transmission Coil stuff except he used a resonant circuit to charge a capacitor which then dumped across a spark gap into his main tesla coil.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 18, 2006, 05:09:21 AM
yes you can pick up the charge that's radiated.  But unless you have done something to it, then you are only capturing what you have put in.  of course this may or may not be true... but this whole thread is speculation at this point.
How the marks device implements this is something that everyone is guessing at... but if we have decided that it is based on what Tesla did - then you must consider the details of the Tesla coil.  Between the Tesla coil and the marks device... we know more about Tesla's work at this point.

Using bob's ignition coil and spark plug - the next step, per Tesla's work - would be to place a coil over the gap.  The coil would step up the plasma 10,000 times per foot of coil and radiate that energy - which could then be captured in the form of a charge on a metal plate within range of the coil.
And that's what my comments are based on - the fact that he was using the setup to test the principle of disruptive discharge providing some sort of energy that could be transformed and used without adding load to the primary circuit.

How the marks device does this would be the next step after understanding what exactly is occuring with the disruptive discharge.

And yes - the output is cold electricity... but there is a primary circuit connected to a spark-gap... and yes there is heat at that spark - the cold electricity is the radiant energy.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 18, 2006, 11:46:33 AM
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

Comments please...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 18, 2006, 05:41:29 PM
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

Comments please...

If it's being used as the collector, then I agree that's probably the case. It could also simply be a loose spiral around the outside of the primary coil, for testing. Of course in a collector plate you want surface area, so the ideal item would be a tube, like one of those toroidal cake pans or something, separated by rubber grommets.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 18, 2006, 05:52:17 PM
Perhaps if the iron wire (bailing wire) was being used in a fashion like is shown on the basic version (that uses two horseshoe magnets) on the right side of these plans for the aerial generator.  It shows two horseshoe magnets with iron wire connected to them.  This is a picture from the Aerial Generator patent that shows how the iron wire was used to produce power.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 18, 2006, 06:10:17 PM
I narrowed the picture down to this picture.  The figure to the right of the horseshoe setup is the picture of the overvoltage relay construction.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 02:28:08 AM
Hi all,

Perhaps there may also be some relevance in the descriptions in this thread that in my opinion ( not from Steven)  could be at play here . If you recall Steven saying that tesla discovered that potentials  that are seperate from each other can coexist  in the same wire. I quote from Steven("I tried it and he is right").
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1165.msg9016/topicseen.html#msg9016
In particular the diagram that is animated with a paint brush shows several aspects of what may be relevant in Stevens invention.
Lindsay Mannix

animated diagram is here:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

"Potentials that are separate from each other can coexist".
From what I understand, if you set up a standing wave in a wire, you get different voltages along the wire depending on how far from a node you are ? I think this is why comms lines are terminated so that the line appears as an infinite length of wire to the signal. To prevent unwanted reflection of the signal back onto the comms line.

Looking at the paintbrush picture I guess the correlation is that there are opposing signals creating a moving standing wave ?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 02:46:17 AM
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

Comments please...

Perhaps this is why, when Steven cut open his largest device for the examiner, that there was seen a cork-like material.

IF he used the baling wire as a sort of 'tube' with which he surrounded his KICK GENERATING WIRE then cork material would be the best way to keep this 'tube' at a specific distance from the primary.

From Roland Schinzinger's report on the TPU:
"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."


Tao, I think you are spot on with this observation about the cork. I hadn't thought that the distance from the kick wire to the collector could be significant. I'll add this to my list of parameters to try out to determine the best geometry for the kick unit.

I have to say that Roland Schinzinger's description couldn't be more vague if he tried!!

"These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."

Dissecting his statement:

Array - does this mean  "A rectangular arrangement of quantities in rows and columns, as in a matrix." This is the mathematical defn found in a dictionary. Or does it just mean 'many' or 'large number'.

circumferentially arranged coils
- if it's a coil of uninsulated iron wire then this would read "circumferentially arranged tubes". Note there is no mention of orientation or these 'coils/tubes', which is an obvious thing to include, so by ommission, the orientation of the 'coils/tubes' is significant.

And the stated physical orientation between these 'coils', wires and cork is totally ambiguous.

Unfortunately work is snoballing at the moment, not least because I've been putting off completing some projects in order to research the Steven Mark device!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 03:23:39 AM
Thought experiment:

I think most people would agree that moving charges causes a magnetic field to appear.

I think most people would also agree that capacitors store charge.

If you mount say 10 large fully charged 2000volt capacitors on the outside of the cylinder and rotate the cylinder at high speed what would be the effect given that you now have 'moving charges'.

1. A rotating magnetic field would be created ?
2. Each charge would create it's own magnetic field which would partially cancel out ?
4. If you set up an LC circuit with capacitors so that charges are moving around whilst rotating would this cause a larger magnetic field ?
5. Would the voltage of the capacitors reduce if a magnetic field is created ?
6. If a magnetic field is created would there be back torque on the motor rotating the cylinder and if so what is pushing against what to create the back torque ?
7. Would doubling the voltage double the magnetic field ?
8. If you could separate the plates of the capacitor further apart would this create a larger magnetic field ?

If the collected kicks on the Steven Mark device are 'electron like' ie. only one charge, if you time the kicks so that the position of the kicks around the circumference move round in a circle, would the result be a moving magnetic field ?




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 19, 2006, 04:06:49 AM
 :P  I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."
If that's what you want... then move magnets.  Of course then you would have a regular generator.
And setting up a LC circuit would create a pulsing magnetic field in the core of the inductor... so??  If you put another coil around it - then you change the whole resonance equation.

And to TAO... the magnet must induce the initial current.  *IF* you can multiply power... it doesn't matter how small a current you start with, eh??  So no need for pre-charged caps or batteries.
The removal of the magnet would cause reverse current to flow (reverse of the original first current) in whatever coils it excited initially.  You might want to figure out how that could stop the device... it makes sense that's what's happening.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 04:15:15 AM
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We all already know the secret to Steven's device!, (his entire GAIN MECHANISM)

All we need figure out now is what the magnets were used for and from where did he get his initial power source to start the generation of the FIRST KICKS.
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Hi Tao, I'd appreciate if you could write down exactly how you believe Steven Mark's device works.

The first kick is from a battery. You could go ahead on this assumption in order to test your theory on how the device operates.

Permanent Magnets:

Brain dump to trigger ideas:

1. Creates a magnetic field.
2. Magnetic fields cause charges to move.
3. Operation of reed switch.
4. Contribute to another magnetic field.
5. Diverge existing magnetic field.
6. Cancel an existing magnetic field.
7. Source of freq. of magnetism. Acts like a crystal ?
8. Source of magnetic 'particles' ??
9. As part of the current circuit ? Perhaps kick currents interact differently when passed through a magnet.
10. To magnetically saturate a magnetic material such as iron.
11. To somehow alter the freq. on an LC circuit to be much nearer to the required resonant frequency. Don't know how this would be achieved in practice !
12. Nothing. To misdirect people as to operation of device.
13. To improve kick magnitude ?
14. To improve collector tube collecting ability ?
15. To attract kick energy to the collector tube ? (Perhaps kick energy is attracted to a particular pole ?)
16. What does a permanent magnet do if placed next to a capacitor ? Nothing ? Never tried this - no idea.
17. Does a capacitor interact with a permanent magnetic field differently when charged with 'kick' energy ?

Tao, I think you're going to have to start building, if you haven't already, to find out what the magnets are for....




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 04:40:51 AM
:P  I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."

Elvis, would you like to back that up with any rational logical argument or does being a smartass exclude you from doing this ?

The idea of a thought experiment is that you posit a series of logical steps that follow on from each other to arrive at an unexpected conclusion. In this case moving capacitors should create a moving magnetic field which is indeed an unheard of idea to me.

Simple stating that they don't is not helpful - it doesn't elicit any understanding which is the whole point of a thought experiment.

What is required is to understand which of the steps is actually invalid and why the subsequent step does not actually follow on.

1. Moving charges create magnetic fields around the charges.
2. If the charges are moving in a circle then the magnetic field is also moving. i.e. If at time T1 the charges are  in position P1 but not in position P2 but at time T2 they are in position P2 but not T1 by definition of step one above, this satisfies the condition for a moving magnetic field.
3. Capacitors contain charges.
4. Physically rotating charged capacitors fixed to the outside of a rotating cylinder will by definition be rotating the charges. i.e. Moving the charges from P1 to P2 in duration T1 to T2. and QED should create a rotating magnetic field.

Where is the fallacy in this set of logical steps, if indeed there is one.

a. If a magnetic field is created what are the implication of this ?
b. If a magnetic field is NOT created, why not ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 19, 2006, 06:01:38 AM
bob - When I said I didn't want to sound like a smartass, I didn't mean I was shooting you down for the sake of it.  I was just trying to politely state the obvious.

First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux. 

Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current.  The current moves when it's discharged.

Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates.  I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor.  So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.

And last but not least... I am 100% sure that even if there was a magnetic field around a capacitor... you would be better off moving magnets instead of 2000V capacitors around.  And if you are just going to move magnetic fields around - whether they are magnets or caps or wires... you are still talking about a generator... and that is nothing new or exciting.

As far as this device - assuming it is for real - it is either using resonant LC circuits that act as an amplified antenna to draw power from some frequency (natural or manmade)... 
-OR- it's using disruptive discharge (on a smaller scale than Tesla or Gray) to break out a component of what we call electricity and step it up before converting it back to restart the process (thereby multiplying the power in increments) (of course it may just break the component out "for free" and it all just adds up.

If it's either one of these cases - an inductor in the device is simply part of a voltage multiplier (like in a microwave oven) meant to collect voltage for output.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 19, 2006, 06:28:39 AM
But Elvis, wouldn't the power be a such a high level after the device ran for many minutes/seconds that when you remove the magnet you are no longer just opposing that first magnetic field, but you are now opposing the NEW much more powerful field?

So, I don't see how pulling the magnet away would completely slow the device down to a stop??

Or are you just telling me that when the magnet is removed it starts a chain of events that stops the device eventually, and when I figure out what those events are that I will know what the magnet is there for?

Just trying to understand what you meant.

A magnet approaching the device *appears* to start it.
We know that a magnetic field approaching a coil will induce current.
We also know that the device starts with some amount of power - that's what Mannix has said.

So if it starts with power, and mulitplies that power... then any small amount of power would do - including a small magnet inducing current in a coil.  And since we see him do that... I would suggest it's just that simple.

The magnet stays on the device, unmoved while it's running.
Steven said it had to stay there.
We know that the magnet sitting there is doing nothing in the way of inducing current.
So the reason it sits there is not to do something... but to keep from doing what it would do if moved... otherwise, Steven would move the magnet past the device to start it, or put it on and then take it off.

A building magnetic field creates current in a coil... and a collapsing field creates current in a coil... but the polarity is reversed.

Connect a light bulb to a coil and pass the coil through a horseshoe magnet. The light will flash.  Actually it's two flashes that are too fast to see as two.
Pass the coil through the magnet and stop in the middle.  The light will flash once.  When you continue, and remove the coil, the light flashes again.
You can use a compass to see that one side of the coil is N and one side is S when the first current flows... and then the poles reverse when the second current flows.

Given the facts as we know them - I am 100% sure that the reverse current reverses the whole process in the device.  Exactly how that works is still not clear to me... and that may be because if I knew that, I'd know how the whole thing worked :)
So that's why I said - this is something to figure out... and I think it's very important to understanding the device.
At the least... it's better to check every leap of faith against the known facts - before you end up miles away from the truth.






Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 06:32:40 AM
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By elvis.
.
First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux.

Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current.  The current moves when it's discharged.

Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates.  I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor.  So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.

To point 1: Who said anything about a current going throught a wire ?
Moving charges whether they are in a wire or not create a magnetic field.
A plasma is a good example.
It is also well known that a spinning CD disc create a small oscillating magnetic field due to the static charges on the disc.

To point 2: But they are moving charges which in theory should create a magnetic field. See where I'm going with this...

To point 3: So if a CD disc, with static charge, that rotates can create a magnetic field why not a capacitor with it's much larger charge ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 06:39:06 AM
Depending on which pole he biased the BLOWOUT with he could charge copper collectors around with either hot or cold electricity.

That's new information to me - I haven't come across this idea before.
Is this an idea of yours or is this from another source ?
Do you have any web refs for this, I'm very interested in following up on this ?

thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 19, 2006, 06:49:21 AM
Bob - I see where you're going.  But honestly, why not just move magnets?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 07:17:33 AM
Bob - I see where you're going.  But honestly, why not just move magnets?

Magnets inducing charges into wires have backemf and back torque and are therefore self limiting.

Can the same be said for rotating charges outside of a conductor that are in a dielectric.

See this excellent web ref which compares moving charge in a conductor with moving charge in a dielectric.
http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp10.asp

The 'kicks' energy on the collector has an electrostatic character, yet the Mark Steven's device has rotating magnetic fields. There is also supposedly some sort of interaction with the ionesphere which can be thought of as a plate of a capacitor with the earth being the other ?

In other words we need to make a leap in our generation mechanisms between a non moving electrostatic field and a rotating magnetic fields.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on June 19, 2006, 07:22:58 AM
There are no moving parts in the device.  The rotating magnetic field is from the current flowing.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 08:01:17 AM
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So Bob is just trying to find the gap/method of turning electostatic-type radiant charge into a rotating magnetic field and hence getting the output that Steven gets...

Thank you Tao, exactly!

I for one think that when the penny drops as to what is happening to make this device work most people here will say, including me:
'Oh, I now see how this works now, the problem was I was assuming...'

We need to challenge our assumptions in order to make the leap to a better way of generating electricity, which is where the thought experiment comes in.

Let's say we had 50 kick units around the circumference being driven in turn at 175khz. That's is rotating charge at (175/50)*60 = 210,000 rpm.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 19, 2006, 12:12:37 PM
Hi Tao,

That magnetic amp. is interesting, more for the way it uses standard components in a novell way (well, novell to me anyway!). I'm not sure it's specifically relevant to the TPU because the magnification is at the expence of the AC input field. I think too much energy would be wasted in the iron cores ? I wonder what an electrostatic equivalent would look like ?  But you certainly are a gold mine of material, thoughts, knowledge and inspiration! I can't thank you enough! Perhaps this is one for the backburner, the unconscious does a great job of assimilating new material and allowing the relevant to materialise as a thought from midair.

I also have another observation concerning the 'control units'.

Did you notice that all of the components for the control unit are in the center of the large coil BUT two capacitors are placed right next to the coil ? If I was designing this I'd want everything mounted in the center with socket and plugs to all the other connection wires. It would make sense and this appears to be what he was trying to do. Therefore I believe the driving capacitors have to be mounted near the coil because they MUST BE as near as possible to the 'kick units'.

Is this relevant or just an adhoc design anomaly ?


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 19, 2006, 06:04:08 PM
Well, I for one think you've hit on something here Tao.

Sorry I haven't been paticipating folks, I've been going back and reading, and re-reading the basics.
I think we've gotten off course, we've learned a lot about frequencies, and resonant coils, and believe we could probably collectively built a moray type device or a vta type device. However I'm starting to rethink my position that the Bill Beaty stuff is 100% applicable to SM's TPU.
Some of it is obviously applicable, but I think it was a relatively small amount, and much of it could server to distract us. For this reason, I've taken what we've learned and gone back to the source, Steven Himself. And reading the postings of the people he praised. I think we've lost a considerable resource in offending him. I think it was unavoidable, since in any forum there will be detractors, theres no way for us keep out undesirables. We can only get rid of them once they have shown themselves. The people who are continuing on here, are obviously the dedicated researchers.

Having gone back and re-read all of SM's original posts via Mannix, we have a lot more info than we realize, but I think we need to re focus.
And since Mannix has started to post again, perhaps we can re-kindle that relationship and continue moving on the correct path.

Perhaps we could start a new private thread, that only the really dedicated researchers can particpate in (bob, tao, stephan, liberty, elvis, and myself, and of course Lindsay, I don't intend to overlook anyone). We can gather all of the the information we know is relevant thus far, and the stuff we are reasonable sure is relevant and post it there. This thread is getting a bit long. This would allow us a good brainstorming environment to lay down some facts, free from derision, and negativity..... thoughts? Stephan? all?

Perhaps Mr. Mannix can feel more comfortable posting some of the other information SM sent him in that thread.

I've also been working on building my pulsed em kundel motor variant. Which also explains part of my non participation... I've been a bit distracted. Too many projects. 

Reading through Steven via Mannix's old posts... Something began to trouble me. We've forgotten about some information Steven had given us early on.

From Steven: on page 7

Quote

Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
 So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
    Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

So one of these coils is made from many small pieces of conductor, and is in effect many small coils. How does this apply to what you just posted? I believe in effect, what you have is perhaps hundreds of coils arranged in a modified mag-amp.

Look at Schizinger's report in light of this...

Quote

"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."

Circumferentially arranged coils makes a bit more sense now.

it's the "....and wires" part  that irritates the hell out of me.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 19, 2006, 06:11:53 PM
On Steven Marks second device (without tape on it), he said that it is based on the knowledge of coils and the special interaction between the coils. 

It seems to all go back to bailing wire... with the magnets.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: crusty on June 19, 2006, 08:50:24 PM
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your “videothek” the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the “videothek” of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: crusty on June 19, 2006, 09:03:36 PM
Sorry the correct link is:

www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot2.html

Christian
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 19, 2006, 09:10:07 PM
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


Hi Christian, welcome aboard. I have to respect someone who reads and understands, and even experiments a little before posting anything. Sorry to hear about your tube frying. Those things are expensive these days. I'm unsure as to whether the increased current is in respect to the plate or the filament as well. I assume it meant the filament. If we had the old RCA manual that would be great. Unfortunately that was probably lost to time.

I assume this experiment from mannix's second post in this thread is what you are talking about.
Quote
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.  The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

I've been going back and reading steven's(mannix's) old posts as well, and although we've found some new relavent information, I think in our excitement, we have forgotten old tips that steven gave us early on. I'm still going back through to see how any of the old information relates to what we've found recently.

Brainstorming can be good and bad in this way. It can help you find answers but also make you overconfident.

@stephan, what happened to all the material you used to keep on your web site? Seemed to all disappear after january or so.. You used to have a whole section in your /coil directory.

Sad that it's gone.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on June 20, 2006, 02:27:06 PM
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it.  I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back. 

A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve.  The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry.  We consider this ok?  That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 20, 2006, 06:39:29 PM
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it.  I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back. 

A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve.  The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry.  We consider this ok?  That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....

Rich

I have to disagree man. Nobody's out there killing people that are inventing ways to feed the hungry. I think that's an unfair comparison. If you give someone food, there's not much of a chance that they will misuse it and kill themselves or others accidentally, or start a fire, or worse.. They just eat it. There is a danger factor here.

Another aspect is propagation and understanding of the technology. If you just give someone donated food from a farm, they eat for a little while.. But if you give them chickens and teach them how to raise them, they have eggs and meat forever, and fertilizer for their fields. And they can teach others how to raise chickens. That's all Steven is trying to accomplish.

An argument can be made that the need is too great. Just give us the damn chickens and we'll figure out how to raise them ourselves. Well when hungry people get ahold of chickens what do they do? They eat them right away. Nothing is left to raise. No fertilizer, no eggs... just bones and feathers left over.

If Steven just gave us this technology without showing how it works, what lasting legacy would he have given us? After the websites that have instruction on them are shut down, and the devices taken from us, what do we have? Can we rebuild then? Probably not, as we didn't know how it worked to begin with.

As frustrating as it is, Steven is doing the right thing. I just hope he doesn't stay away from the many for the misgivings of the few. Although this place has it's faults (what group doesn't) this is probably one of the safest places to share it. We are all believers here. Albeit, sometimes misguided ones.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: crusty on June 20, 2006, 07:40:51 PM
Hi all,

my intention was only to say that I hope that the positive inspiration of the believers here who are checking out how the devices works and how it could be replicated should not disappear!

@ gnOstik:

the content of the "video sever" is now hosted at http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/

Where the new video is also stored.

best regards,

Christian
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 20, 2006, 07:54:33 PM
I knew about that directory, I just thought there was more on stephan's old site. I guess he just moved it all.

Cool!

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 21, 2006, 01:37:56 AM
Well I've got plenty of wire, and can work with high voltage safely (if I had a decent power supply).

Can someone send me a link to a decent power supply that will not break the bank? I'm also looking for some test equipment. If anyone has any for sale, that would be ok too.

Personally, I could care less about the ridicule. I've already shut a few up, with evidence of existing technology. I'm sure they still think i'm crazy, but they still drink beer with me, and that's all that matters. :)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 21, 2006, 02:14:38 AM
I am wondering how many people have at the very least a cro on hand , have lots of wire around ,can safely work with high voltage,and are ready to wind many different coils ,most or all of which will be non functional.

Dual channel 35Mhz scope, 3Mhz function generator, and a whole bunch of non-working coils!!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: oouthere on June 21, 2006, 02:48:52 AM
I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular.  Ridicule??? I could care less.  But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel.  And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes.  I've built two different versions but nothing worked.  My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.

Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS.  Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out?  That's teaching???

Rich
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 21, 2006, 05:14:23 AM
Gotta agree with Rich...Sure I got the scope, meters, power supplies, wire, components and the extreme desire to replicate the TPU. But it sure would be nice to have a solid starting point.....even if all it did was power a damn LED. But NOOOOOOO...we get to play the guessing game for MONTHS OR YEARS and still get nowhere. We all have families and jobs to deal with too! It's almost to the Now or Never scenario...cause if things go to s#it like I'm assuming they will....good luck getting the needed components.

Steven Marks- if your listening and aren't blowing smoke up our ass- WE NEED SOME HINTS HERE.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 21, 2006, 05:47:19 AM
Steven didn't have to give anyone ANYTHING.

He gave us MORE than enough background on his thought processes leading up to his invention.

We should be so lucky.

Now the time is nearing and we are closing in on the exact way his devices work, OF OUR OWN ACCORD and via LISTENING TO STEVEN'S WORDS.

If this doesn't make sense, re-read EVERYTHING that Steven wrote!

I agree.

I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular.  Ridicule??? I could care less.  But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel.  And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes.  I've built two different versions but nothing worked.  My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.

Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS.  Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out?  That's teaching???

Rich

So let me get this straight. You did experiments on the TPU before we had any tips, and now that we have something to go on you are unwilling?

When you were working on the TPU before, why didn't you opt to work on something that had far more information available on it? We've uncovered a great deal here, and now is not the time to quit over sour grapes.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 21, 2006, 08:44:47 AM
Hi all,
Well, I studied electronics in 1956.  Then I discovered cars.  After 50 years of working on cars, my body said no more.  Since discovering this site, I have acquired a scope, some meters, some wire, and background of reading on the net.  I hope my hand is steady enough to solder?

I have been dealing with other personal issues, but hope soon to learn how to use the scope and do some experiments.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 21, 2006, 04:23:49 PM
Some observations:

Ignition coil to provide high voltage pulses

I wanted a source of high voltage pulses to try out various 'kick units. I thought an ignition coil would do the job. The problem with an ignition coil is you need to apply power to the primary for long enough to build up the magnetic field in the primary so that on cutting power to the primary the field quickly collapses and induces a high voltage into the secondary. This works well up to around 1000Hz (which is to be expected 4 cylinders @ 7000rpm is less than a 1kHz). I can get 1 inch sparks without a problem. With higher frequency pulse rate, it looks like the magnetic field of the primary is not fully expanded and therefore on removing the power the voltage in the secondary is vastly reduce and not sufficient for sparking.

I used this circuit here, a kit which I had knocking around the garage.
http://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/illustrated/illustrated_assembly_manual_k2543.pdf
Instead of points a function generator was used.

I'm using a spark lead and spark plug, with the spark plug acting as the first spark gap, I then run a wire from the earth of the spark plug which was going to feed my kick units. However, there is significant ringing (observed on scope) on this wire from the spark plug which has time to fully decay before another pulse arrives.

I'm assuming I need to a get the pulse rate higher so another pulse appears before this pulse has fully decayed ? Your thoughts on this please.

I noticed that on pulling a short spark, the spark was coloured the traditional blue/violet, but on making the spark longer, by moving the wire further from the strike point, at a certain point the spark changed to pure white with no blue/violet overtones whatsoever. There was a distinct crossover. A bit further from this point and the spark was extinguished.

For those that aren't aware, sparks contain a high ultraviolet component, so keep viewing to a minimum and use good quality sunglasses.

Mannix, you'll probably know the answer to this one. If the primary is being pulsed but the spark gap is too wide to cause a spark, what actually happens to the energy that was induced into the secondary ?

1. Does it just 'ring' away with the natural impedance and capacitance of the wire ?
2. Converts to heat ?
3. Induces back into the primary ?

A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?

Has anyone tried creating an air coil + capacitor that is resonant to 174.9Khz, and then placed in a magnetic field from a permanent magnet ? I've not tried this yet.

Anyone got a circuit based on capacitors for generating high voltage pulses up to 200Khz ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: jake on June 21, 2006, 07:08:43 PM
Quote
A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?

The resistance of the wire is still much lower than the resistance of the gap where the spark occurs, and there is relatively little current flow to produce the spark.  It is almost "static" electricity.

I don't know for sure why the wires are high resistance.  It might be to limit the current to the spark to keep the coil from discharging any farther than is necessary to create the spark.

I know the capacitor is in the circuit to keep the spark from occurring at the distributor.  The cap limits the dv/dt at the distributor end so the discharge spark occurs at the spark plug.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 21, 2006, 09:12:48 PM
Hi all,

The resistance in the plug wires is to cut down radio interference when the plug fires.  In the early days of solid plug wires, if you had a buzz in your radio, you used resistor spark plugs.  They stopped using
resistor plugs when all the cars required high resistance carbon coated string instead of solid wire to the plugs.  The capacitor in the circuit is also to cut down radio interference from the sparks.

If the resistance is to high (too large a gap to fire) the coil will arc internally across its secondary winding, burning it out after a short time.

I have some 5 strand #26 litz wire I plan to wind many turns around so that it is at least 1/4 wavelength of 175K hertz.  I figure I can solder the ends together to add effective length.  This is to get the effect of standing waves ala a Tesla coil.

Somewhere I read about an old energizer design which had miles of wire on it.  I think it worked by switching it off before the the currant reached the end.  Something like Mannix's parable.  If I can find it, I will post the link.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: pese on June 21, 2006, 09:46:06 PM
the wire resistance IS NOT NEED !

Car (Germany ) was up 1955 without any resistance ! (only insulated wires)
Some drivers , want to by special (additional) resistors, OR
Spark - Plugs with (build-in"resistor")
to DEGREASE , noise (trouble) in Car-AM-RADIOs.
Thats all .
Nothing "mystery"

D.P.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 22, 2006, 07:46:50 AM
Hi all,

I found a site which may help us visualise what happens when different waveforms combine. Opposite of an FFT on a waveform.

This is where all the java applets to run can be found:
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2481

This one demonstrates how any complex waveform can be broken down into it's component sin waves of different phase AND different amplitude.
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2487

Now imagine on the coils that instead of sine waves we applying pulses to each coil. Each waveform could have a different frequency and amplitude and possibly 90 phase change via a capacitor.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 22, 2006, 10:47:13 AM

Steven Has said that electron tubes were better,especially when first experimenting because of their ability to handle transients better than semiconductors . Can any body see the relevance of this?

Lindsay Mannix

At a guess, with semiconductor diode you're going to get reverse current if the transient is greated than the breakdown threshold of the diode. Whilst a rectifier electron tube will not have this problem ??

If all coils are commoned on one transformer and you're driving each coil with a different frequency square wave (especially if the square wave isn't well shaped) you're going to get transients ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 22, 2006, 11:05:11 AM
Been having a discussion with gnostic on this one. Can we have votes (A,B or C) in as to what the likely arrangement is:

Steven says the coils are "one on top of the other" :

Would this be:

Version A
A horizontal cross section from the side would look like this, to my understanding.

c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3


Version B

c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c3
c3c2c1c1c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c1c1c2c2c3
c3c2c1c1c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c1c1c2c2c3
c3c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3


Version C

c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 22, 2006, 04:00:05 PM
@bob.diroto

I see you added one to the mix. I like A or C.. For some other reasons specified in the letter from steven.

The wording of his emails says not "interleaved", which to me sort of eliminates  B. He says there are two collector coils towards the botoom of his message, To me this seems to indicate A or C.

With A or C, either would work in my estimation. They could also be run in parallel, series, two in series, one parallel to those two, etc. I think the arrangement would be the two collector coils in series, and the "kick" coil, parallel to them in the middle.  Collectors being c1, and c3, and the Kick coil being c2. Going back to look at the old vids and pics it seems that on the smaller one, A is used and C may be used on the larger one.

If I had to pick one, I'd pick A.

I need to find some Litz wire. Diroto was right about that all along it seems. All I have is solid, shielded wire of various gauges.

Radio Shack?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 22, 2006, 04:08:37 PM
Here is an interesting quote from Tesla, look closely, it's exactly what Steven has been saying about what happens when the frequencies and kicks come together:
"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray
higher frequency wave imposed on  the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
 
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave
to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously
great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released
into surrounding space with inconceivable violence.
 
It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower
frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be
produced by intent."   -N. Tesla


By the way, I printed off EVERYTHING Steven EVER said in this thread and spent 2+ hours reading all 15 pages and underlined everything of importance, even the very subtleties. I suggest everyone look over what Steven has said AGAIN.

Tao you read my mind.....I also cut & pasted ALL SM/Mannix comments into a MS Publisher file....but added a few insightful posts from Tao, Tishang, and several others that Mannix said were on the right track. Oh and Mannix- Thanks for the PM- will be a big help!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 22, 2006, 04:17:55 PM
How about using 3 microcontrollers to generate frequencies amped by MOSFETs and sent into the 3 coils......you could also then use Hall Effect sensors to monitor EM field outputs from each coil as well. You could then set them to automatically scan thousands of combinations and log any magic combos.....

But it is easier to do non-squarewave with the MAX038. If you're looking for a decent schematic check out:
http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Function%20Generator/function%20generator.htm

I found some MAX038's here: http://www.futurlec.com/
They have no phone # to double check stock, but the site accepted my order. Get 'em while you can- this chip is very hard to find.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: crusty on June 22, 2006, 10:00:22 PM
For the European experimenters:
There is a complete MAX038 experimental board kit available at www.elv.de
If you search for kit Part No.: 60-272-60 on that side you will be lead to the kit- description where you also can download the whole article from their magazine inclusive circuit diagram and circuit board.
But unfortunately written in German.
But Easier to understand for me this time. ;)

Best regards,
Christian
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 23, 2006, 12:22:21 AM
Hi all,

Reading some Tesla material and it says the most pronounced affects occured when the mass in the disrupter circuit equalled the mass in the metal object/coil over which the huge 'electrostatic' like, energy flowed around.

Would the mass in the disrupter circuit be the mass of the wire from where the spark occurs but not including the mass of the wire from the pulse source to where the spark occurs ?

Cheers,
 Bob
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 23, 2006, 08:04:39 AM
I believe it's this one. I'll explain why below.

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c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3

SM said they were stacked one on top of the other(paraphrase). The mental orientation of the coil I have in my head when I think of it is laying flat on a table. He would have said side-by-side, or concentric otherwise.

In the case of option C the coil would be short and wide, and the collector coils and the kick coil would be of varying diameters, making tuning difficult. You could probably get it to pump out something but nothing like in the videos.

The TPUs in the video are all thin and tall suggesting stacked coils of a common diameter.

Version B in my opinion is straight out. Nothing with it jives with what we've studied or learned, even remotely.

Now I'm guessing we need to figure out how they are wound, if in fact this is the right arrangment.

Dr. Schizinger said they were "cicumferentially" arranged. I'm thinking the collector coils (c1 and c3) are wound straight around the outside circumference of a round form, creating the toroid with the windings themselves.. This would also explain to a degree the rotating magnetic field as the electrons would have to travel straight around the the coil creating a uniform magnetic field that would emanate from the around the outside, inside, above, and below, all at once, perpendicular to the coil, and travel with the electron flow. The coils could then be wrapped around the outside, and through the center of the toroidal collector coil wrapping it with the "control wiring".

A long spiral winding that is wound around the diameter of the thickness of the coil might create a similar effect, but the field would be slightly canted depending on it's position around the coil.

The problem with this arrangement would be that there would be no core to speak of on the collectors. Just a form to wrap the windings around. Perhaps the "cork like material" was just an insulating spacer between the collectors and receiver/kick center coil (c2).

Once these are all wrapped with control wiring, they would be stacked, and the entire coil portion of the unit could be wrapped likewise.

Going back through the old posts by mannix, I found this.

"one was about 100 mm in diameter the other about 450mm. The small device generated a few hundred watts and the larger device 1 kilowatt." - This is from mannix's first post. An estimate of size. I'm not sure how he could be so sure of the sizes, perhaps because of items in the vicinity of the TPUs. But it gives us something to go on.

The Thickness and height of the medium unit's coil is similar to the large one, which makes me think it's an exact division of the larger one.

Damn i've been busy. No time to wind anything myself yet. In the mean time, i've been going over the videos and scouring old posts for clues.


That's all I have for now, I just had to get it down as a coherent thought before I moved on. This place has become a sort of notebook to me.




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 23, 2006, 09:36:51 AM
I came across this link while researching mag amps

Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/zpe_mra2.html

"If the rhythmic energy flowing through the mass is made resonant to the mass aggregate resonance, you further reduce the resistance and impedance, thereby achieving unity and in some cases overunity." Vanguard Note  Joel McClain



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 23, 2006, 01:46:55 PM
Would I be right in thinking in the SM arrangment we've just been given, that if I pulse one frequency into one coil and another frequency into another coil that within the empty space in the center of the toroid we would get a superposition of magnetic and electric waves ?

On this assumption, this java applet allow a good visualisation of what sort of resulting waveform will occur for sin waves of various amplitude and frequency.

http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/viewtopic.php?t=35
(Having changed the values in the text boxes hit RETURN key to change the animated waveform display)

Of particular interest are:

1. Standing waves where both frequencies are the same but direction of travel is in opposite directions.
To achieve this using two coils, the coil circumference has to be whole number related to wavelength of the chosen frequency. AND if both coils are wound in the same direction the top of each coil need to be connected to the bottom of the other coil AND then driven in parallel.

2. Where one frequency is a whole integer multiple of the other. Notice how the standing wave appears to move.

3. Where one frequency is very slighly different from the other.


Increasing the ramp-up and ramp-down time of a sqaure wave. You'll notive in the above animation that when two opposing waves meet, it increases the ramp-up and ramp-down times. We could use this to our benefit to make square waves with increasingly sharp ramp-up/ramp-down times.

This allows you to play with combining many sin waves (fft theory) and visualise what happens when a square wave is superpositioned with a cosine wave.
http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/viewtopic.php?t=33


Why am I highlighting these things ? Although an oscilloscope is going to show you what you have, nothing beats trying to gain some intuition, as to what combination of waveforms is going to get you nearer to some of the criteria Steven has mentioned.





Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 23, 2006, 09:45:38 PM
Remember that it also depends on how we arange them as well, If the top and bottom collectors are connected in series, and the middle coil is parallel to both of those, we can't really pump in frequencies from either direction without changing polarity. Unless you have more than one connection to them, in order to do it.. (Remeber steven saying "I tried it, and it works!") This is because they are essentially one long wire making two coils.

As to your video Tao, that's pretty interesting. That's the kind of effect I was expecting to see, with the magnetic field causing inductance into the center coil as it spun around the toroid directionally. Kind of reminds me of those socks I got for xmas last year, that I never wear, though.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Lance on June 23, 2006, 09:55:53 PM
Regards toroids and motional fields...

Please has anyone performed an experiment to rotate a magnetised core inside a simple toroid at a constant speed (i.e. simulated moving flux). Can anyone answer if this would cause a DC voltage to appear at the coil wire ends?

If the flux is contained within the core as you would expect - wouldn't you avoid any back emf. effects when tapping current?

If the answer to these questions if affirmative - then could we not replace the spinning core with a motor winding inside the toroid and tap DC power?

These questions have been bugging me for a while...  :)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 23, 2006, 11:24:56 PM
Remember that it also depends on how we arange them as well, If the top and bottom collectors are connected in series, and the middle coil is parallel to both of those, we can't really pump in frequencies from either direction without changing polarity. Unless you have more than one connection to them, in order to do it.. (Remeber steven saying "I tried it, and it works!") This is because they are essentially one long wire making two coils.

As to your video Tao, that's pretty interesting. That's the kind of effect I was expecting to see, with the magnetic field causing inductance into the center coil as it spun around the toroid directionally. Kind of reminds me of those socks I got for xmas last year, that I never wear, though.


IF this method is correct, then you only need three connections. Two from those central controls to each with a different frequency, just like Steven said in the video where he turns on the first then second frequency. Then you would need a third connection for the output. None of the 3 toroids(coils) would be connected to each other.


Then again, if we think in terms of PULSED DC and the Tesla radiant then the frequencies in the different coils would still be opperating at a frequency, just not AC ones, only pulsed DC ones, so no reversals of current would be allowed.

The interaction from these pulses then explains the KICKS and how they can combine into larger kicks, and the MOTIONAL FIELD could still happen through the interactions of these PULSED DC impulses based on their frequencies.

More later, I'm rambling on :P

If you go back and read his letter, he defenitely infers that the coils are connected to eachother, and that we should experiment on how they should be connected. At least that was my impression


Quote
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 24, 2006, 02:38:32 AM
In regards to freq generators:

Instead of MAX038 which seem hard to get and expensive, why not use cheap CMOS flip flops like
74ACT74?

link:  http://www.futurlec.com/IC74AC00Series.shtml

Only costs $.28  and 6nS cutoff time.

I am not technical and maybe I am missing something obvious.

Tishatang

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 03:25:24 AM

Please has anyone performed an experiment to rotate a magnetised core inside a simple toroid at a constant speed (i.e. simulated moving flux). Can anyone answer if this would cause a DC voltage to appear at the coil wire ends?


Yes it would. But just because there is only an A-field outside the toroid doesn't mean you won't get back EMF effects. You do get back EMF effects.

But if the rotating magnetic field is created as a side effect of the kicks and some synchronising with the ionesphere to somehow tap into excess energy then you will get a DC output that is overunity. Thus unto how do we convert electrostatic effects (kicks) into magnetic field effects...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 03:33:14 AM
Very nice Tao.

Also have a look at what happens when you have two frequencies that are the same moving in opposite directions. Quite obviously a standing wave. BUT look what happens when you alter the amplitude of one of those frequencies. You get a sort of rotating effect with the pulse.

Now if the circumference is whole number related to the wavelength you're going to get those standing wave pulses occur in the SAME place on the coils.

How do you get a moving STANDING WAVE... I first thought change one of the frequencies slightly but then you get the effect that you've shown on your video, which I think certainly needs investigating.

Then I realised once you've got your frequency that is whole number related to the circumference if you change the frequency slightly that goes into both coils the point of meeting will move slowly round but without the 'capsule' effect.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 03:35:45 AM
Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.

Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion  when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 24, 2006, 04:17:54 AM
Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.

Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion  when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?

Ferrofluid should do nicely.......
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 24, 2006, 04:27:14 AM
Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.

Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion  when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?

Yes, That should work ok, I would use something a bit bigger, containerwise. Perhaps a small glass measuring bowl, so you could view it from above.

there are magnetic chemical stirring deals used quite commonely.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Jdo300 on June 24, 2006, 08:32:41 AM
Hi Everyone,

I've been closely following this thread on and though I haven?t been posting, I have been actively working on understanding the device as well as testing some of the principles Steve and others have discussed. At the moment, I have acquired a nice digital oscilloscope, a 400W DC power supply and a function generator that goes into the MHz. Right now I'm making a homemade amplifier circuit to run square and sine waves through a bunch of different coils that I found and made myself to see how they respond.

I am also going to be testing the effect of permanent magnets on these coils. There were many posts on the subject so I thought I would put in my two cents worth. I mentioned this to Lindsay in a private e-mail a while ago but I have been doing research into permanent magnets to find a way to make a running permanent magnet motor. I wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" here:

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90 (http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90)

In the article, I experimentally show how magnets can produce 'kicks' that are up to 100 times as powerful as the magnet itself when the field is quickly compressed and allowed to 'snap' back at 90 degrees to the pole
face.

I began thinking of how this principle may be employed in the Mark device and then it occurred to me that when he placed the magnet(s) in the device, they seemed to be at 90 degrees to the coils (particularly in his first device). Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work. Now, I am still hypothesizing about this. I plan to do some simple experiments to see if this is in fact true but I thought I'd run the idea past you all to see
what you think.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 10:30:09 AM
Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work.

The static kick comes when the high voltage potential is first applied across a wire (inductance) i.e. either before or as the magnetic field is starting to build. As the magnetic field builds around the wire, the effective resistance decreases and the current flow increases.

I have no idea whether the presence of the magnetic field would hinder the initial expansion of the magnetic field, and thus the current, and thus allow a more powerful static kick to materialise. It certainly sounds realistic and very worth testing out. I've made particular note to try out the 90 degree placement of the magnet. I had assumed an inline placement of the magnet. All good stuff.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 10:46:37 AM
I've been looking for a java applet which would allow multiple waves to be superpositioned. Ideally allowing square waves with multiple sin waves of any phase. No luck yet. If anyone else can find something like this, please post!

The nearest I've got so far is this, which allows 4 sine waves.
http://www.coastal.udel.edu/faculty/rad/superplot.html
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: jake on June 24, 2006, 02:49:18 PM
Hi Everyone,

I've been closely following this thread on and though I haven?t been posting, I have been actively working on understanding the device as well as testing some of the principles Steve and others have discussed. At the moment, I have acquired a nice digital oscilloscope, a 400W DC power supply and a function generator that goes into the MHz. Right now I'm making a homemade amplifier circuit to run square and sine waves through a bunch of different coils that I found and made myself to see how they respond.

I am also going to be testing the effect of permanent magnets on these coils. There were many posts on the subject so I thought I would put in my two cents worth. I mentioned this to Lindsay in a private e-mail a while ago but I have been doing research into permanent magnets to find a way to make a running permanent magnet motor. I wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" here:

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90 (http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90)

In the article, I experimentally show how magnets can produce 'kicks' that are up to 100 times as powerful as the magnet itself when the field is quickly compressed and allowed to 'snap' back at 90 degrees to the pole
face.

I began thinking of how this principle may be employed in the Mark device and then it occurred to me that when he placed the magnet(s) in the device, they seemed to be at 90 degrees to the coils (particularly in his first device). Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work. Now, I am still hypothesizing about this. I plan to do some simple experiments to see if this is in fact true but I thought I'd run the idea past you all to see
what you think.

God Bless,
Jason O


Jason,

Very nice work.

From your article:
Quote
Dig into the physics behind the effects. This is where I am currently working. There comes a point where the serious builder needs to acquire a comprehensive understanding of the physics behind magnetic fields. This research is like anything else; you cannot advance it if you don?t know what you are doing. Do your homework.

Amen, Amen, and Amen
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 24, 2006, 04:22:57 PM

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/report.htm
On first reading you think they've mistaken collapsing field of an inductor as something special. Then I started reading again... note how they can also see this ringing on the induced 60 hz signal... and later on in the article they appear to be well aware of the collapsing field of an inductor scope signature.

"...The sensitivity of the scope was turned up to inspect the "hum interference" being picked up by the coil and it was noted, that there was a ringing on the induced 60 hz. signal on both the positive and negative portion of the wave form. The ringing started at the point on the waveform, just as the sign wave started to decrease from its maximum rise?time. The ringing was again counted and again found to be 24,080 hz. An audio oscillator was set to 24,080 hz and we attempted to hook it to the coil. Upon approaching the coil with the 600 ohm feed lead, the subject amplitude increased dramatically and was sustained.

Much effort was given to the notion that the current pickup of the coil was due strictly to induction. The coil was placed inside a special magnetic alloy shield, with a resulting increase in the output current. This was just the opposite, of what we might have expected to happen. Many other efforts were made to determine if the coil was deriving the ringing energy from some source of electrical interference. After a couple of hours of effort, no source or other explication was discovered. "



http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm

This article is an excellent read

....SuperLight was identified scientifically over 100 years ago when James Clerk Maxwell solved his famous wave equation. This occurred shortly after radio was invented by Nikola Tesla, and theoretical physicists tried to find a mathematical model to explain radio waves. When using positive numbers in Maxwell's Equations this explains radio waves and also all forms of electro?magnetic radiation such as light, radio, TV, microwaves, x?rays, etc. What his equation also explains 100 years ago was SuperLight but because it was the solution that comes from the use of negative numbers, "this second solution" was ignored for over 100 years. Remember when you were taught algebra and were told to ignore imaginary numbers (e.g. The square root of ?1) because they have no meaning in this world. Well, times have changed and now we have a very valid second solution to Maxwell's equation and it is SuperLight.

In the mid 70's a scientist, Dr. William Tiller, at Stanford University took another look at Maxwell's equation and asked; "What does this second solution explain when interpreted in our world."{1}

To understand this second solution, we must first review what the first or positive solution explains. The first solution is as follows: Radio waves leave the antenna and radiate out into space from a point source (the antenna) equally in all directions into space toward infinity traveling at the speed of light. The wave is composed of a large electrical component and a small magnetic component 90 degrees to the electrical component. Thus named, electro?magnetic radiation.

The second solution describes a particle wave of just the opposite structure. It explains that from infinity traveling toward the point source from all directions radiates SuperLight. This new radiation is composed of a large magnetic component and a small electrical component, thus the name, magneto?electric radiation. When the equations are looked at more closely, one finds that "SuperLight" travels at the speed of light squared !   1020 meters per second,   or 10 billion times faster than light.

It has a frequency 10 billion times higher, and has a corresponding, shorter wavelength.   It therefore has a higher energy density.

The question one asks immediately is, "if it is so powerful, how come we do not feel it, or how come it is not detected scientifically?"   Well, the frequency is so high, its wave length so short, (4 x 10?8 nano?meters, or 4 x 10?17 meters), its velocity so fast, that it goes through everything as though the substance was nearly completely transparent (like glass).

We can say the higher frequency is completely penetrating like x?rays, but even more so. More information, regarding the relative size, will be given later.....




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 24, 2006, 06:18:52 PM
My belief is that the "kicks" come from the use of iron wire (which develops the beat frequency for the device).  The frequency is set up by the magnets (the signal injector).  Steven said on his second model, that it is just the coils and the interaction between them.  Steven also said that the TPU is a conversion device.  It uses the magnetic field of the earth to generate power through a converter process.
 
Therefore, no electronics or frequency injectors.  No batteries, no signal generators.  Only the control circuit has electronics (the small electronic device in the center of some of his larger devices, (not all).   That would seem to indicate that in order to produce power, the electronic control device is not really needed.   That is why I reference the previous patent on the aerial generator.  It shows a method of using iron wire with the magnets and a zinc plate (perhaps a copper coil could substitute?), which produces power.  I think that the TPU does a similar thing. 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 24, 2006, 10:09:35 PM
Liberty,

Without the use of a battery and some electronics, how would you propose the initial "kick" can be created? SM has made a concerted effort to convey the message that the kick is very important, and is a result of initial "current flow" in a piece of wire. You have not said it directly, but do you believe that the application of the magnet to the TPU is what initiates or creates the first kick? I feel that the magnet is not there for that purpose. It is there to create an imbalance in the total earth flux flowing in and/or through the toroid.

I am not implying that there are any frequency/signal injectors at all, I am proposing that there is a battery source and this battery source is switched alternately to the 3 "excitor" coils to create very short current pulses in each coil. We are not talking about square waves here, only extremely short pulses. This is what SM has been talking about and emphasizing. Only a short pulse should be required to initiate a kick, so why leave the circuit "ON" for longer than is necessary to produce one? After this, yes, now it is the arrangement of the coils and how they interact with each other that "amplifies" the kick effect to produce useable power on the output coil.

I am sure there are still a few very key elements missing in the information we have to successfully get one of these devices going. Only SM knows however.

Incidentally, there do exist some counter-positive factoids about Steven here: http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=987
and therein is mention that he has used a battery.

Darren

When you look at the video of the 2nd device (without tape) that has two rings, there does not appear to be room for any electronics(may be a capacitor on board, but not sure because the picture is of such low quality).  He also does not mention any battery or electronic circuit.  He says that it is a conversion device and it has to do with the relationship of the coils to one another.  Coils are very important he said.  So with that in mind, here is a different device that uses iron wire combined with a zinc plate and magnets to develop power.  It is a patent from a long time ago.  But could you see how the magnets (which Steven said, 'sets up the frequency'...) could be used as the input frequency to combine with earth's frequency?  These two frequencies if mixed would effectively lower the extreme frequency of a magnetic field and produce voltage spikes that might be seen in a coil.  This could be the kick that repeats and winds up as long as the magnet is in place?  When the magnet is removed, the voltage winds down as per the video on Steven's first device with bailing wire (iron wire).

Look at the patent, and imagine if you replaced the zinc plate between the horseshoe magnet, with a copper coil such as the TPU device has, would it develop a voltage output, being fed with iron wire?  Also I have attached the aerial generator file below. 

Anyone's idea could be valid or all put together.  At this point it is just a guessing game, until we experiment a little.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 25, 2006, 12:32:20 AM
I went back to watch "coilnew01.avi" to see if it is the video showing the exposed wiring. It does not appear to be the one, however, in it SM states this "...it doesn't contain any batteries capable of generating the amount of electricity that you're going to be witnessing here." That is a direct quote, and to me in other words says that it does contain a battery or batteries, just not one powerful enough to produce the level of output we see in the device.

It should be noted too, that this is his first device he built with bailing wire, and it too has some kind of coil or "something" in the middle of the toroid, in this case on top. This no doubt is an equivalent to the controller parts seen inside the large toroid. There just is too much evidence for me to ignore the distinct probability that there is indeed a battery required for its operation, and not strictly for the controller portion.

Could someone please provide the file name of the video(s) showing the compass spining, the cutting open of the coil, and the bare exposed coiling? It would be much appreciated, as I feel "behind" and not able to contribute much more without having seen them.

Thanks,
Darren

Your quote is true, however, if you go on to listen to what he says later, he says that the device "is very very cheaply put together, no mass circuitry with this stuff, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they enteract with each other"... 

This is said at the very end of the bailing wire device clip for those of you that wish to listen to it.  But who knows, maybe that means he is still using a battery and a little circuit of some sort???  It's anyone's guess.

As far as the toroid that is in the center of the bailing wire device, it appears to be a copper winding.  I just wonder if it is being fed by the bailing wire (iron wire) that is coiled on the empty wire reel edge that he is using for his device?  Could it be that once the iron wire feeds the copper winding on the core, that the voltage is increased with more windings around the core like an old car spark coil is made?  Just a thought...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 25, 2006, 01:24:12 AM
Exactly!

Not a mass of circuitry...again probably implying that there is circuitry, just not complicated circuitry.

For those not "in the know", before any real progress can be made with this device, the question of whether a battery is needed for its operation is fundamental. This is fundamental to successfully duplicating the device, and I am convinced there is one.

Liberty, you mentioned the 2nd video, it sounds like one that I have not seen. Could you please indicate what the file name is for this video clip and where it can be downloaded?

Thanks,
Darren

I'm not sure where the videos are all at, but here are some videos and some pictures.  http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/ (http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 25, 2006, 05:20:40 AM
I have no idea how you can make any of that out from that picture. It's totally blurry. I watched the video, and it doesn't appear to have any wires running into the corner of the magnet, he Just sets the magnet on there and removes it, to demonstrate it spinning up and down.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on June 25, 2006, 09:56:03 AM
I posted earlier about Moray needing a ground.  Another article says otherwise.

Link:       http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html

Which leads to this link:

http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/energy/moray1.asc

" What sort  of an apparatus is  Moray's  Radiant  Energy  Device?
    Briefly, it would  appear to be similar to a radio receiving  set  of
    power proportions.

         It is  composed  of  two  coils  of  wire, or inductancies.   It
    contains several condensers, or capacitors, of different sizes.

         There is  a  detector  tube,   or   electronic  valve,  and  two
    oscillator tubes.  Added to this is a "bar of silver  and  a  bar  of
    copper", a starting  device,  and a step down electrical transformer,
    reported to be 1000-to-1, primary to secondary.

         All of this is enclosed in a box  measuring about 30 inches long
    by 16 inches  wide  by  16 inches high.  It weighs about  50  pounds.
    There are no   moving  parts.  Moray  says  there  are  no  dangerous
    radiations surrounding the box when it is in operation.

         Many persons have looked inside  the  box.    Several  have made
    more than a  cursory  examination of its contents -  except  for  the
    detector tube!

         The inductances  are about eight and 10 inches in diameter. They
    are composed of several layers of wire.   The diameter of the wire is
    much smaller than necessary to carry  anything  like  50 kilowatts of
    ordinary commercial electricity.

         Probably, there is a direct relationship between the size of the
    wire and the number of turns of it on each coil.  Further,  it can be
    assumed the distance  separating  the two coils is important, as well
    as the direction in which the coils are wound.

         Moray is silent as to the materials  used  in  his capacitors or
    condensers.   Neither does he tell their capacities.    They  vary in
    size but this is not indicative of capacity!

         If one  part  of  the apparatus is more important than another I
    would conclude it is the tubes or  valves.    Moray will not say much
    about these.   He  admits they do not contain an electrically  heated
    filament whose radiations  provide  the means of carrying currents to
    different parts of the tube and which produce the valve action.

                                    Page 5




         How, then,  is this valve action produced?   Moray does not say.
    I have learned,  from  other  sources,   of   Moray's   purchase   of
    radioactive materials.

         I have  been  informed  by  one  source  that Moray  uses  these
    radioactivities as the "carrying-currents" within his tubes.  Exactly
    what the radioactive materials may be, I have not learned as yet.

         Some say  it  is  a uranium compound; others deny this.  What is
    more, we do not know whether the detector  tube  and  the oscillators
    use the same materials.

         Being cold tubes, it can be assumed they are not  vacuum  tubes.
    However, Moray does  have  vacuum  pumps in his laboratory. The tubes
    may be filled with gas.  But if they are filled with a gas, what gas?

         These tubes, especially the  detector,  seem  to  be the weakest
    links in the chain of parts in the Moray system.  By  far the greater
    number of times  the  demonstration  apparatus has stopped because of
    troubles, it appeared the trouble lay in the detector tube.

         Moray does  not  allow  anyone   to  see  the  detector  tube  -
    apparently the big secret of the device lies there!

         At the same time, the least understood of the device's mysteries
    is the function of the bar of silver and the bar of  copper  set side
    by side.

         Are they "true" copper and silver?  Or are they alloys -possibly
    treated with the  very radiant energy they may help to produce?  Have
    they been transmuted in some way?   Are they only decoys?  Are they a
    special type of   air   condenser?    Are   their  lengths,   widths,
    thicknesses, as well  as  their  distance  apart, important?   All of
    these questions, and many, many more,  flood  into  one's  mind - and
    remain unanswered!

         Early in his experiments Mr. Moray used both an  antenna  and  a
    ground connection.   He  no longer uses either.   This eliminates the
    possibility that he taps either current  from  power  lines  or  from
    radio transmitters.  "

Haven't read the rest of this thread, but seems Moray had more in common with Mark device than I realized.

Tishatang

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mark australia on June 25, 2006, 12:57:19 PM
Dear Lindsey..could you find out for me what motor this was ..I am looking at building a hybrid. I know its of the topic but would help me.
I found a wonderful 2-stroke gasoline engine that would put out 25 hp on one gallon for 3.5 hours.
Kind regards
Mark
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 25, 2006, 11:42:42 PM
Who is performing the experiment in this picture?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 26, 2006, 06:42:30 AM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1329559.pdf

One way fluid valve of Tesla. This fluid valve works best when there are large, high frequency impulses imparted to the fluid. I'm wondering whether this device came about by the equivalent for an electrical circuit and if so what form would this take ?

I know a diode works as a one way valve but I'm wondering whether tesla had created another electrical one way valve using some other concept.

Would it be possible to loop round the current in a wire in such a way that the magnetic field generated by the current in the wire would automatically oppose current reversals particularly when dealing with large high voltage impulses ?

For example, take a length of wire, bend it back on itself and then wind a coil around the wire up to the point where the wire was bent and then repeatanother say 2 inches down the wire. End result is a length of wire over which there are turns of coils wound from the same wire ?



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 26, 2006, 07:37:28 AM
Who is performing the experiment in this picture?

Given what looks like the copious amounts of iron/steel/metal in the device, it looks like it is before the information given by Steven Mark. As it has been stated that iron cores are definately not used.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 26, 2006, 07:58:48 AM
I've got litz wire which has at least 25 strands. Each individual wire is enamelled.

I've been painstakingly sandpapering the end of each wire in order to remove the enamel and make a connection. Is there a better way of removing the enamel on litz wire ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 26, 2006, 09:08:51 AM
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.






Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 26, 2006, 10:15:21 AM
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.


You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.

perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 26, 2006, 11:37:06 AM
Hello  I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 26, 2006, 02:52:49 PM
Who is performing the experiment in this picture?



It is from George Woynar?s group, who are also trying to replicate the
Methernitha Testatika.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 26, 2006, 04:16:14 PM
Hello  I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike




Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 26, 2006, 05:36:12 PM
Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gyulasun on June 26, 2006, 05:45:14 PM
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.


You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.

perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?

Hi,

Though it was a long time ago I did the following to clean the end(s) of Litz wire:

-Use a lighter and burn the end of the Litz till the textil is burnt and the wires get red hot (a few seconds)

-While red hot, suddenly put/dip it into spirits (denatured alcohol) you provided in advance in a very small dish near to you  (if you have no denatured alcohol I think normal +90% alcohol will do)  Be very careful not to light the alcohol in the small dish!

-Now use (multicore) solder wire (which includes resin) and the tiny wire ends should get nicely tinned by using your normal soldering iron.

rgds
Gyula
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 27, 2006, 12:21:52 AM
Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/


Thanks Stefan. Much appreciated. Is that your site as well?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 27, 2006, 09:39:27 AM
Hello  I have some questions for the group

Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?

I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.

Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?

Thank you
Mike




Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.

I've looked at all the videos on 'ntinternals' but non are clear enough (on my computer) to be able to say:
"You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly."

I'm fairly sure this is a video I haven't yet seen, do you have a name for the file ?

As for the baling wire. This is either wrapped closely together to form a kick collector 'tube' (see an earlier post of mine) and would form part of the circuit OR forms an actual coil in which case the coil would not be tightly wrapped other wise the contact of the uninsulated baling wire to the next turn would ineffect short the coil. I don't think the baling wire would be a core because SM has stated the cores are not made of metal.

HOWEVER, different orientation of coil means that it may be possible for one coil to in effect become the core for anothe coil, so in this respect the baling wire could become a core but only if it were a coil as well.

Cheers. Bob

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 27, 2006, 10:38:31 AM
Thanks Bob
I will read your post
I am still trying to get a grasp on the coil arrangements.

the vid is called   energycoils_full_divx_gsm_audio
I forgot were I got it from

I have it saved on disk though, if you want it

I'm not shure if it is the same one you saw allready

what is the name of the file you saw?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 27, 2006, 04:38:28 PM
Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?

Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.

I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.

As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 27, 2006, 04:41:40 PM
After watching all the videos, it seems evident that there may be 2 or 3 different versions of the device. I am not talking about size and power output, but physical configuration of the coils.

Remember Steven said to forget coils and just think about wires and kicks. Maybe the physical configuration isn't so important.


Also note that at one point SM states that the device vibrates slightly at a frequency of 7.3 Hz. Then at another point, he states that it vibrates at a frequency of 5 kHz.

And the measurement equipment was?  His hand?  7.3Hz measured by hand? Wow!



I'm sure he measured it with other equipment prior to this taping, to know the frequency.

Also, perhaps your right about the arrangement. But then he also states that it's important to know about the interaction between coils, I don't think arrangement is totally unimportant either..

Regards.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Jdo300 on June 27, 2006, 06:00:25 PM
I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.

Hi Darren,

I never saw him place a magnet on the device in that video, but assuming that you are right about it sticking to the coils, that would make sense if he is using ferromagnetic iron wire for the collector coils.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on June 27, 2006, 06:24:31 PM
Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?

Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.

I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.

As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

 

Quote from Gn0stic:  "You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology."


I agree with you Gn0stic.

Or another possiblity is that he is somewhat aware of how it works, but wants to protect his device and is leading everyone to a technical 'close miss' so it sounds on track but is really a wild goose chase filled with mysteries that will never end (like the 'kicks').  The end result is dead ends and wasted time and everyone gives up resulting in a protected device that nobody can recreate, while admiring the inventor because he was able to do the impossible that no one else can seem to understand.  Already there are contradictions in the recent notes and what is said on the early videos...  As someone already said that the notes say forget the coils, and the video says:  no circuitry, no battery, just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other, the coils are very important...

I think that the early videos hold the most promise, especially the tips that Steven tells us in the videos. (Almost daring you to figure out the puzzle).  Steven was not near as careful in hiding the device secrets in the early videos as he was in later devices that are all taped up, centering up on performance and size of the device, rather than technical aspects of the internals of the device.  Steven doesn't act like he was the original inventor (in my opinion), but more like someone who ran across a method from someone else (perhaps the patent on the aerial generator?), on how to make a conversion device using iron wire with magnets and the earth's magnetic field,  which was not well known to anyone.  I think that Steven used this type of knowledge and combined it with his knowledge of transformers to come up with his 'TPU'.  I believe that all of the devices are based on the same method, and the device is really very simple and less complicated than we are being led to believe.  But that is just my opinion. 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 28, 2006, 12:05:15 AM
Yeah, your right Tao, we seem to have gotten ahead of ourselves again. We need to be measuring kicks. Has anyone had any luck yet?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 28, 2006, 05:41:10 AM
I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.

I'm not bothering to try and get a non battery version going. I don't think it can be done without knowing the exact frequencies. SM obviously had access to an FFT scope (spectrum analyser). I'm seriously thinking of getting a oscilloscope board for my PC which has an FFT facility included. The main issue being I don't want to fry my PC.

Don't know about anybody else but with 500V pulses going into my coils any neo magnets within 3 inches of my coils start to flip around, as would be expected.

I believe the vertical control coils (kick tubes) are made of iron wire onto which the neo magnet sticks.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 28, 2006, 06:04:22 AM
See tao's diagram in this link

I believe the coil tao has marked "Control Wiring Vertically Wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils" are made of uninsulated iron wire, to form a kick collector tube. As per Tesla who said metal objects of different sizes collected radiant energy dependant on their shape, and mass related to the mass of the disruptive discharge circuit. Therefore I'm guessing this tube needs to be an as yet unknown, specific diameter and height in order to collect the radiant kick energy.

I haven't as yet been able to 'collect' any form of kick energy on an iron tube which surrounds a wire which has rapid pulses applied to it...Anyone else had any luck in observing a measurable voltage, or current spike, on applying a high voltage pulse across a wire ?

The iron tube sings to whatever frequency of pulses you put into the horizontal coil. But this is just a magnetic field effect, as the tube is physically vibrated in the magnetic field of the horizontal coil, and is to be totally expected.

I was thinking maybe the physical vibration of the iron coil interacted with the permanent magnet which was placed on the side of the iron coil, would also be physically vibrating, thereby creating some vibrating permanent magnet effect.

e.g. The iron coil physically vibrates, causing the permanent magnet to vibrate, which induces further current into coil, causing more vibrations etc. etc. Which when linked to frequency of magnetism the alledged 174.9kHz would cause some unexpected energy to appear.

What are your thoughts on this theory ?

Mannix do you have anymore unpublished info. from Steven Mark ?


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 28, 2006, 06:30:02 AM
From Lindsay
Quote
It would be preferable if you could keep the primary inspiration from those who are not in a position to contribute at this early stage.

I understand now.

It's too bad that just because one has only recently joined, that they are automatically labeled "not in a position to contribute". For the short time I've been here, I feel I've contributed more than my share, and I emphasize the word share. I didn't have to spend the hours I did compiling all your and SM's letters the way I did. I didn't have to spend the hours contemplating that diagram I found then drawing up the diagram and sharing it. I didn't have to spend the time thinking about the "kick" issue and how to test for it, then post it, but I did. If that's not contributing, then that's a real shame. It seems there are only a few who post here, and some very infrequently with new ideas. I though I have brought a few good ones.

Anyway, good luck to you (the few) guys, I hope you crack the safe. To those who are in the same boat as myself, good luck to you as well. Perhaps I'll start a new group on Yahoo, where all will be shared with everyone.

PS. Lindsay, I did read ALL the posts (I gathered them all in one file remember?), and there is nothing close to what tao has just posted.

Darren

To z_p_e:

I appreciate the information you have collated, and time you have spent, and ideas you have put out to the group. Do not assume that Mannix speaks for all of us here.

I do share Mannix's frustration, which I think is what is coming out in his replies to you, that there is obviously a configuration of coils and simple components (capacitors, resistors etc.) which has the potential to eradicate poverty WORLDWIDE. Lack of Energy is what causes poverty, and what gives tremendous political power to certain countries.

z_p_e please keep posting.


To Mannix:

Why don't you post, for all to review, the information you sent to a select few of us ? Whilst I appreciated being in the loop for the personal message, I believe this caused a level of disquiet. I'm still wondering whether there is other information that has been sent out to other people, where I wasn't included. I do understand the sentiment behind the personal message, of let's cut to the chase. But I think the key will be some 'newbie' asking what appears to be the same quesiton but in a slightly different way, and then something clicks with one of use, as to what is really happening with the coils.

How often have you had a problem and then over a beer explaining to a friend in simple terms what the problem is, the answer suddenly becomes obvious to you, simply because the process of explaining allowed certain assumptions to be reviewed.

Perhaps we should try a different tack of explaining to newer posters (of which I was one not long ago) what the current theories are, and what we are currently trying to do. I'll try and put a post together later, on this tack, as I now have paying (imagine that!) work to complete.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: SMC on June 28, 2006, 07:14:43 AM
Is anyone else besides myself waiting on the MAX038 Freq. Generator chips? I did post a source although I don't know how many they have since this is a discontinued chip.
As for the PM some of us received- I think Mannix was trying to encourage some of us that maybe have the equipment needed to explore deeper....You're not going to crack this nut w/o a scope, freq gen, and a counter wouldn't hurt either.
Tesla revolutionized motors with a "rotating field"...might help to go back to basics a bit......

Oh...BTW....and old computer monitor makes an awesome mag field detector.....might come in handy. See attached pic.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 28, 2006, 07:53:08 AM
From Lindsay
Quote
It would be preferable if you could keep the primary inspiration from those who are not in a position to contribute at this early stage.

I understand now.

It's too bad that just because one has only recently joined, that they are automatically labeled "not in a position to contribute". For the short time I've been here, I feel I've contributed more than my share, and I emphasize the word share. I didn't have to spend the hours I did compiling all your and SM's letters the way I did. I didn't have to spend the hours contemplating that diagram I found then drawing up the diagram and sharing it. I didn't have to spend the time thinking about the "kick" issue and how to test for it, then post it, but I did. If that's not contributing, then that's a real shame. It seems there are only a few who post here, and some very infrequently with new ideas. I though I have brought a few good ones.

Anyway, good luck to you (the few) guys, I hope you crack the safe. To those who are in the same boat as myself, good luck to you as well. Perhaps I'll start a new group on Yahoo, where all will be shared with everyone.

PS. Lindsay, I did read ALL the posts (I gathered them all in one file remember?), and there is nothing close to what tao has just posted.

Darren

Well, sorry if we're a little slow on the draw. At first we were probably just waiting to see if you would contribute, then, if you would contribute anything useful, then if you would stick around and then, we just probably forgot. Nothing against you man, your obviously a go getter.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 28, 2006, 09:03:33 AM
Hi group,

energycoils-full-vid screen shot

The bottom arrow shows wires hanging out from the cut, top arrow shows what looks like more wires I will post better screen shots soon.

thanks Tao for the help

The video shows a TPU being cut and the Engineers take meter readings from coil ends and various locations.


 ;DMike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 28, 2006, 09:15:48 AM
And what is this sitting on the control box looks like wood?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 28, 2006, 09:19:47 AM

AWESOME picture.

Can you do some more pictures with the magnet in different positions so we can see the magnet's field?

Like try the magnet flipped over, rotated 90 degrees, etc..

Thanks either way.


You look here http://mindprint.dyndns.org/trmweb%20II/Magnete_Feldlinien.htm (http://mindprint.dyndns.org/trmweb%20II/Magnete_Feldlinien.htm) and scroll down.

Anziehung=attraction
Absto?ung=repulsion

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on June 28, 2006, 09:29:15 AM
Hi group,

energycoils-full-vid screen shot

The bottom arrow shows wires hanging out from the cut, top arrow shows what looks like more wires I will post better screen shots soon.

thanks Tao for the help

The video shows a TPU being cut and the Engineers take meter readings from coil ends and various locations.


 ;DMike


Is it possible that you upload this video so that everyone can watch it?

thanks
Norbert
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 28, 2006, 09:35:14 AM
Hi Norbert,

The video I have is to large to post (173Mb)

I will figure somthing out.

one more shot from the vid
Is this the magnet holders?

 ;DMike

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 28, 2006, 11:12:11 AM
This is a summary of where I am in my thinking and experiments:

SM, I believe uses the term ?Control Wires? in the very broadest sense meaning wires involved in the input and output of the TPU. Because if you are feeding some of your output back into the input the output could be thought of as control wires.

High confidence this is correct.

SM has said there is a rotating magnetic field in the empty center of the toroid and it is this field which induces the voltage and current in the output coil. In tao?s model the output coil would be the very outside control wires. This is further backed up in that SM has stated a compass rotates slowly at first and gradually picks up speed and then eventually stops. It is my belief that the compass stops rotating because the magnetic field confines itself to a small circular area near the coils. If the magnetic field is their the compass will rotate IMO. QED no rotation, no field moving over the compass.


The Kicks

I?ve not been able to get a useful measure of the ?kick? effect. I?ve confirmed that shorting a battery with a jumper cable, as per Mannix suggestion, does result in the cables jumping, but it is more like a  twitch. As per several of my postings I?ve tried linking an outside tube made of iron wire, into a parallel LC circuit to see if energy could be enticed to build up in an LC circuit. Not a sniff of anything unusual. My thinking here is that my circuit is not isolated enough. I have not yet tried using a transformer to pulse the high voltage into the circuit. SM does specifically mention that transformers were part of his discovery process. SM says unusual things can be observed (oscilloscope or spectrum analyser ?) when two high voltage transformers get slightly out of phase.

My assumption is that the ?kicks? are linked to Tesla Radiant Energy which has an electrostatic component. Radiant energy requires metal objects to be of a certain size, shape and mass, for it to collect on a metal object.

This is my number one aim. To get some kicks and make some measurements. Anyone got this working yet ?


Frequencies

There are lots of numbers bandied around:

SM has said 7.3 Hz vibration in one of his devices.
SM has also mentioned 6000Hz component, in the pulsed DC output.
174.9KHz is the frequency of magnetism.
It can be seen in the video that the output is very high frequency judging by the ?fire? effect of generated sparks when output wires from the TPU are shorted.

He has also said the frequency is related to the circumference. To get a wavelength within the length of wire in one of the coils would mean frequencies in the gigahertz range ?  Or perhaps this is a way of saying standing waves are required ? Or perhaps this is a cryptic way of saying that resonant circuits must be used as the diameter of a coil affects the impedance of a coil which in turn affects the resonant frequency. Parallel resonance is an effective open circuit on the power source (infinite resistance). Serial resonance is an effective short on the power source (no resistance). I?ve been thinking whether these two effects can somehow be combined to good use. Parallel resonance for the input coils as it would use very little current to drive the circuit and serial resonance for the output coils in order to have very little resistance.


Permanent Magnet

My latest thinking on this is, if the earths weak field causes a small kick, then the much larger field of a permanent magnet must enhance the kick effect. But I?m buggered if I can measure any kick effect, permanent magnet or not.


Batteries

To me, this is a no brainer. Batteries are used to get things going. Once we understand what is happening we can close the loop of output back into input power.


Electrostatic and high voltage

Patrick Flanagen has a 1988 patent for an Electron Field Generator. It requires high voltage (5000v) AC pulses applied to two fully insulated plates. Plates are cast in epoxy resin. Diagram on patent is self explanatory. The end result is a cascade of electrons (in the environment). Perhaps there is an element of this effect as insulated coils could be thought of as stretched out plates.


My Step by Step No Working - Energy Building Process!

1.   Generate kicks ? it doesn?t matter how much battery power at this point is used to generate kicks. You need to have some kicks. No kicks ? no TPU. I?m still stuck at trying to get some kicks.
2.   Turn one kick into multiple kicks. 150khz high voltage pulses in theory generates 150,000 kicks per second. Have two coils both with 150khz, and say 151khz pulses and have these both going to a simple transformer so both inputs interact with each other and perhaps something ?strange? happens. Throw in a permanent magnet to make the kicks bigger.
3.   Collect electrostatic energy from the kicks ? iron tubes cut to right length, mass and size.
4.   Turn electrostatic energy on the tubes into rotating magnetic field. My only theory so far is to somehow rotate where the kicks are coming from and perhaps this generates a rotating electric field which in turn gives a rotating magnetic field.
5.   Rotating magnetic field induces high current and voltage into output coil.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 28, 2006, 12:23:03 PM
Hi all,
Perhaps I need to qualify something.

At this stage this thread is for those who ARE winding coils. Information and discussion WILL come up to a pace where we can all get on the same page.BUT if you do not have the basic test equipment and aren't prepered to put lots of effort in then be honest and just watch...do not contribute unless you are hands on. I apolagise if I have offended any body ,I am just trying to give this the best chance of success.
If your ego gets bruised by this ...you need a thicker ego. I know I do sometimes.
If any body that is hands on,has the necessary skill, works with high voltage, and is prepared to spend much spare time chasing this Please let me know.
I am going to get us all to the gate at the same time and not be slowed down by those who have just arrived. This has been going for months now so For those who have just discovered this Please Take the time and read everything.I imagine it will take several nights to read and several weeks to absorb.
As stated, very early on this will never be monkey see monkey do ...mabey nothing will be achieved except the journey I dont know..what I do know is that we cannot keep slowing down to the pace of those who come in late.
Plenty of people who are well trained an have passed many memory tests have in thier mind, very good reasons to say that this is impossible. For you people please just leave us dreamers alone and do a crossword. Success is just a matter of time and some hard work for the rest of us ,and the more productive we can spend that time the better.Its still free to watch The last thing that we should have here is a closed shop...If it comes to that this whole thing will be a failure of sorts.
Please pm me with your experience and equipment..lets get going.

Lindsay Mannix
 

Mannix, I totally disagree.

I think it is only your perception that things are slowed down by other people posting and 'coming in late'. People are mostly slowed down by work and family commitments. People don't have a straight run of time. I get 3-4 days spare if I finish a project early.

I would appreciate more of your involvement in the ongoing discussions and theories raised.

What do you think causes the rotating magnetic field ?
How are you getting the kicks ?
What mechanism are you using to get multiple kicks ?
How are you collecting the kick energy ?
What mechanism are you using or thinking of using in order to convert the static energy into a rotating magnetic field ?
What parameters have you determined for efficiently collecting kick energy ?

I know you've posted the 'all the kings men' story but honestly why introduce another layer of interpretation. Why not actually tell us exactly what you believe, why you believe this, what experiments you've done to confirm your theory, and whether SM has confirmed your beliefs.

Why not start another thread with the opening message, This thread is for contributors who are building coils please post on the other thread if you are not building coils ? Perhaps on this new thread you could post any other information from Steven Mark that you have not yet put onto the board. Why you hold back information I have no idea. That last personal message was crucial. Could have saved me a bucket load of time if I had it earlier.

I for one would like to know:

How long had you been holding onto the last particularly valuable information from Steven Mark ?

Do you have any other information from Steven Mark that you are not posting at this moment ?

Why drip feed the information ? Let's get all the information on the board.


I have a 35MHz oscilloscope, 3Mhz Function Generator, and a shed full of old parts. I'm familiar with high voltage, rf precautions. I never wear a watch or jewellery when in my experiments shed. I'm thinking of obtaining a spectrum analyser (I know a two way satellite guy who may have one going).


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 28, 2006, 05:52:51 PM
If anyone is interested in a nice, inexpensive usb oscope/freq.generator for the pc check this out.
It comes in a kit, but he'll assemble it for you at additional cost.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140001937188
 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140001937188)

I'm buying one today if he answers my email favorably, about where to connect the probes.



Note to stefan: don't turn my posting into your ads please. Many people can't even follow those links as ad houses are blocked by their computers. You can do it all you wan't to your own ebay ads, but I was trying to show someone something and ask for advice, and I don't appreciate that. That's just going a bit to far hijacking other people's posts for no other reason than to make money, and make them look like ad hound jerks.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on June 28, 2006, 07:15:53 PM
hi group,
I have uploaded the video to megaupload as Tao sugested.

here is the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GBI9ZVHU

 ;DMike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 28, 2006, 08:29:08 PM
do I have to sign up for that site in order to download it? I just get ads
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 28, 2006, 09:21:25 PM
do I have to sign up for that site in order to download it? I just get ads


Look at the top right-hand side of the web page, you should see a button and counts down from 60 seconds and then says "Click here to download".

It's there, just hard to see if you don't know where to look.

ALSO, make sure you have java script enabled...............

GOT IT! thanks...

That'll teach me to pay a litte more attention. :)

Ha! At any rate take a look at that ebay item I posted about, tell me if it looks ok to you. I assume it's using a MAX chip. But he doesn't specify. I figured I'd put it in an altoids case.

I guess I'll find out for myself, but does the video confirm in any way our suspicions about how it's wound? Your 3d diagrams are nice by the way, that's exactly how I envisioned them.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 28, 2006, 10:57:27 PM
hi group,
I have uploaded the video to megaupload as Tao sugested.

here is the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GBI9ZVHU

 ;DMike


Well,
I just watched it again in single step with media player classic again
and at 38:30 min Steven lifts the open core TPU device and you can
easily see, that it just has 2 big about 10 windings coils on the
lower core parts only...

Does somebody recognize what kind of core ring this it at all ?

Is this some kind of commercial available ferrite core ?
That would really help, if we could locate such a core...
Then the first experiments would be much easier...
Maybe it is a core from an old TV tube magnetic deflection unit which
normally sits on the neck of a TV tube ?

I guess as this is the easiest device, he might just have
only got 2 or 4 iron wire LC circuits in the right
setup and phase angle setup and with the magnets he
is just putting a remanz level magnetisation onto the iron wire
coils, so they don?t pulse with AC but with chopped DC..
The capacitors are a little hard to see in this segment...

This open device looks so simple build it must be probably
only a few LC circuits, maybe a small circuit driver in one
of the footer stands of it for generating a few pulses into the
coils , if at all ?
In some segments he says, it is just a clever combination
of coils and phase angle setup, so he might evenm
have no circuit over there in it, but just uses the magnets
to induce small inductions which will go into sustained
oscillation and the oscillation will rise and rise,
until his 91 Volts chopped Dc or so is reached...

2. When they disassembled through sawing the bigger unit,
it looks like the core is really made out of wood or kork and
just a coil is wound toroidal around it. Not wound around the
center axis, but wound toroidal like a toroidal transformer.
This can also be seen, as he saws the thing through, he only has to cut
ONE or TWO wires with his "cutter knife-clamp".
If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !

So this verifies, that the coils are wound toroidal around this wood core.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 28, 2006, 11:51:58 PM
Hi Tao,
could you please post a few screenshots of your Bryce5 model ?
I am not at home, so I can?t look at Bryce models, maybe just a few JPEGs
would be great.

2. I guess the kicks could only come from the Barkhausen noise inside
the bailing ( iron) wire and it really needs this wire, in copper wire we don?t have
Barkhausen kicks.
Why it is around 5 to 6 Khz and not around 180 Khz is puzzling to me...
Maybe his LC resonance frequency is just around 5 to 6 Khz and
this is a beat frequency or a lower octave frequency of the Barkhausen
noise kicks at 180 khz ?
The open core TPU unit looks so easy to build, probably just about 4
coils and a few caps and the core, that is all...
He also said, it depends mainly on the setup of the coils
and phase relationship, so the feedback loop is very important
from the intial magnet induction and magnetisation of the iron
wire coils...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Esa Maunu on June 29, 2006, 01:28:28 AM
SM told something about mumber of waves / frequencies around the device?
I am not reading all the discussion,but i have some information related to this on my web-site

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

Esa
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Esa Maunu on June 29, 2006, 02:00:17 AM
Here it was..

"He has also said the frequency is related to the circumference. To get a wavelength within the length of wire in one of the coils would mean frequencies in the gigahertz range ?  Or perhaps this is a way of saying standing waves are required ? Or perhaps this is a cryptic way of saying that resonant circuits must be used as the diameter of a coil affects the impedance of a coil which in turn affects the resonant frequency. Parallel resonance is an effective open circuit on the power source (infinite resistance). Serial resonance is an effective short on the power source (no resistance). I?ve been thinking whether these two effects can somehow be combined to good use. Parallel resonance for the input coils as it would use very little current to drive the circuit and serial resonance for the output coils in order to have very little resistance."

I have an Excel table, free to download from my web-site,select sheet MEC bifilar coil and you can get needed circumference dimensions and frequencies to have nested cylindrical field formation around the device.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

Esa



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 29, 2006, 03:29:28 AM
Quote from: stefan
If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !

They make metal cutting blades for those things.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 29, 2006, 03:30:19 AM
Quote from: stefan
If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !

They make metal cutting blades for those things.

Esa, nice info on your site. I'll be reading through it soon.

@tao where did you find that barkhausen effect stuff?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 08:27:11 AM
An interesting article, generation of electromagnetic fields but not directly from current.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/cfa/

From this beginning Hately and Kabbary report they were able to produce direct synthesis of the electromagnetic field using two large capacitor plates and two large cylinders of short length. The capacitor plates, called "D plates" for the term "D" in the Poynting theorem, were positioned parallel to one another to form a capacitor. The cylinders, called "E plates" were positioned one above and one below the D plates. When the cylinders were driven by a radio frequency power source, they produced high?frequency E?fields, thus the designation "E plates".

Crossing effect

To synthesize the electromagnetic wave, radio frequency power is fed through a power divider / phasing network to the D and E plates. The resulting electric and magnetic fields are cross?stressed in phase to synthesize the Poynting vector and produce radiated power within the small area surrounding the antenna. This effect is what gives the Crossed?Field Antenna (CFA) its name.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Esa Maunu on June 29, 2006, 10:57:01 AM
If there are nested cylindrical EM field created around SM device,this can be a way to collect / compress zero point energy.ZPE is a carrier medium for all EM fields,and if it`s density is changed rapidly around the collector coil,it can lead to coil induction to create electricity.

To get correct values by my Excel table ( bifilar coil sheet ) with this SM device ,we must also add the lenght of the wire to the table for wave number calculations around devices circumference.We must also know permittivity value for the wire that was used used.

You can download this table from my web-site,
Password for the table edit is PADI1234

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

Esa
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 03:12:44 PM
In addition, the article also states this as a characteristic of the Barkhausen pulses:

Quote
Any Barkhausen effect transitions will induce weak pulses in the coil wound onto the core material, L1. These pulses are in the low microvolt range, and have a sharp spike profile.


SMALL KICKS, anyone?? It appears we have found the SOURCE of the SMALL KICKS, which when combined through the many COILS' INERACTIONS can generate LARGER KICKS. Interesting isn't it?


Right or wrong, this is cool stuff, and not to be disregarded, without some introspection, as it fits PERFECTLY WITH WHAT STEVEN HAS SAID THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No one even address the post below please!, lets stay on track..........

My reading of this is that the core magnetic material is selected so that very small changes in magnetic field translate to larger changes in voltage than would normally be expected, but it's still in the microvolt range. An oscilloscope set to the microvolt range will display thousands of spikes when connected across any passive coil due to lights being clicked on and off, light dimmers, lawn mowers, cars, lightening, etc. etc. If you're wanting microvolt spikes you've got thousands of them right now. Not to mention reradiation from the main wiring in the house. I've also noticed the electronic dimmers which use wave chopping dumps loads of crap onto the mains wiring. My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!

I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.

I haven't been successful in generating 'collectable' kick energy, even with a car battery. I've gone back to finding out first principles on the three things we know about the wire: The wire is copper wire, iron wire/baling wire. And this research has been revealing - putting a post together now.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 29, 2006, 03:28:30 PM
Quote from: bob.diroto
My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!

Very nice bob! Your coil is receiving energy. I would go back and read the amasci.com links on Bill Beaty's site.
If you can generate power from that, you just need to tune it to a different frequency!

snip snip
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 03:42:34 PM
As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...

which lead to this:

"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.

Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.

But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".

Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.

On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm

That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.

This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf

Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm

Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.

In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.

Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
OR
Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?





Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 29, 2006, 04:19:33 PM
I think you may be right about the iron wire. This device has been about using the the supposed negative factors of electronics to the benefit of the device. In the case of iron we're using it's higher resistance to cause a slower relaxation time.

I think this may be the key to controlling the overheating problem too. Even though we arent even close to this point yet. Fine tuning this material might be beneficial, finding the perfect relaxation time by trying different conductive wires would create a balance between the number of kicks generated, and how much heat the device puts off. I'm heading out the door right now, so this might not make sense.

At any rate, steel wire, siSteel wire, etc etc. might be beneficial to the device once we get to the point of making it work.

I still can't figure out if he ever insulated the bailiing wire before putting it in the device or not. I assume he did, but there's a lot of unconventional stuff about the tpu.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 04:45:37 PM
I think that Steven is not using one of the iron wires as a conductor.
Could you explain your thinking/reasoning on this a bit more ?

Are you saying he is using it as a conductor but is also using it as say a collector tube.
Or
Are you saying he is not using it as a conductor at all ?

Cheers

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 06:35:05 PM

I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.

Your right, I have been trying to figure this all out based on the whole magnet thing. :P

The whole fact that taking a magnet off stops the device from working.

Perhaps part of his kick generation circuitry relies on a small iron core transformer which needs to be semi saturated. A saturated core will generate plenty of higher frequency harmonics. By only being semi saturated, the saturation will only occur during high voltage peaks, thus clustering the harmonics ? If you somehow wrap the input to the output perhaps the effect is higher and higher harmonics. Perhaps even having harmonics in the gigahertz territory, which would then make sense of his comment that the circumference is linked to the frequency, as the wavelength of a gigahertz wave is a few inches as opposed to hundreds of feet.

Take the magnets off and the core doesn't saturate as much and the harmonics die down.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 29, 2006, 06:38:51 PM
As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...

which lead to this:

"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.

Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.

But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".

Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.

On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm

That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.

This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf

Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm

Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.

In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.

Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
OR
Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?




Bob, didn't you see my post a while back on this??

Seems you missed it entirely!!!

LOL :)






I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.


Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.

Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?

Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.

Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......


*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....

Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.

What I meant to portray was the electron gas relaxtion time difference from copper as opposed to steel.

In steel the electron gas relaxation time is longer, and hence, when electricity is first applied to the wire, it takes longer for the electrons to START to propagate down the wire, as opposed to copper.

This would mean, any material that has a longer electron gas relaxation time will be better to use as the KICK GENERATING WIRE.


http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/nikolova/EM_downloads/LectureNotes/Lecture13.pdf
Quote
Consider an isolated conductor whose initial total charge is
zero. If it comes into a contact with charged source, it will
accumulate charge. The Coulombic forces due to the excess
charge in the conductor?s volume will push the highly mobile
charged particles away from each other until they reach the
conductor?s surface. They will accumulate there because they
cannot leave the surface. In a perfect conductor (which is an
idealized case), this process happens immediately. In real
good conductors, it takes some finite time, typically 10^-19 s.
This process is called charge relaxation, and the time
required for its completion is called relaxation time. We will
now give a more rigorous definition of the relaxation time.


http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
Quote
when a Source ( a dipole ) is connected to a resistive load, the most important part of the principle is the information transfered to the load at the speed of light by the S-Flow. The S-Flow is pure EM energy which flows through the space and outside the conductor. This energy is Free and only this part must be used as a "free lunch". Just after this very short time, after that the switch is closed ( the transient phase ), the current begins to flow in the circuit. This transient phase is named the Relaxation Time. In copper, the relaxation time is incredibly rapid, it's about 1.5 x 10-19 sec. When the current flows ( the permanent phase ), the circuit consumes power from the Source and dissipates energy by Joule's Effet, this phase must not be used in our case.

I ONLY refereneced that source to EXPLAIN what I meant about the difference in using copper as opposed to steel for our KICK generation wire, don't get lost in what the articles say.

;)


Tao, you are so right!

I do remember reading your posts and the articles but the significance at the time went right over my head.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on June 29, 2006, 07:24:30 PM
Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING  BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !

The interesting part will be, what happens, if you
put a current through iron wire, that is alreday magnetized
by a permanent magnet almost at the point, where it
toggles the Barkhausen spikes back and forth.

Normally you do this with a iron core with a copper
coil wound around it to see the Barkhausen jumps...

Now if the iron core is also a coil and the Barkhausen
jumps superimpose the current put through to it,
it could probably feedback to another coil and
start selfoscillate and increase the amplitude
so it will wind higher and higher..
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 30, 2006, 03:07:59 AM
Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING  BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !


Who the heck are you talking to? Nobody is saying that he's not as far as I can tell, but if people want to theorize, let them. Steven simply said he used bailing wire on his FIRST PROTOTYPE. That's all. He hasn't said one way or the other whether it's a required component or not. So there's room to theorize. But if other people want to wind some coils and test other theories... .That's thier business.

In case you didn't notice that quote from liberty is from a while ago.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 04:36:40 AM

Remember that conductivity and resisitivity are inverses of eachother, so: coductivity = (1 / resistivity)
So, here is the equation for calculating the relaxation times...
T = ( (8.854x10^-12) / (conductivity of said metal) ),(T is the relaxation time in seconds)
.
.

REMEMBER that for a KICK GENERATING WIRE we want it to have the LONGEST RELAXATION TIME. So "Times slower than Copper's relaxation time" refers to how many times longer a given metal's relaxation time is then Copper.


Logically I think the following is true ?

1. It would follow that we need to get maximum voltage on the kick generating wire within the relaxation time ? If peak volts is 20,000V but we only get to 2000V before the relaxation time expires then this reduces the kick effect ?

2. If therefore follows that we need very high rise times when applying the high voltage ?

3. If we can't get high rise times we need even higher voltage to compensate ?

4. Even with iron/steel we're looking relaxation of 10 exp -17 and rise times of this small magnitude ?

5. Can semiconductors even switch on at this speed ?

6. Alternatives to semiconductor are:

6a. Physical commutator action should give an almost instant rise time ?
6b. Capacitor dumping over spark-gap gives almost instant rise time ?
6c. Electron tubes, thyratrons and the like. This would explain why Steven Mark said he had his first break through when using electron tubes.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 30, 2006, 05:33:40 AM
You are dead right bob. Some other things to consider follow.

Thermal properties and area of conductor are also factors in figuring out resisivity and conductivity.

For example the conductivity of a 25 awg iron wire at 25 degrees c is lower than at say 22 degrees.
in other words a specific diameter wire has better conductivity at lower a temperature.
Hence superconductors needing to be frozen. (I wonder what a superconductor's relaxation time is)

Likewise the conductivity of a 22awg wire at 22 degrees celcius is higher than a 25awg wire at that temperature.
in other words a thicker diameter wire has better conductivity at a given temperature.

I assume all of those measurements in the excel file were taken with a given area (length and gauge) and at a given temperature.

Also, the stainless steel wire will have a different gauging system, the steel industry uses mwg (musical wire gauge) instead of awg.

There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.


On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.

Of particular interest for this scenario in looking at these charts was stainless 330, and iron ingot. As well as the FeNi alloy.
Very low resistance, high conductivity(fast rise time), and LONG relaxation time. These would seem to be ideal for the purpose to me for this scenario. Perhaps too much so. It might get hot too fast.
But then again, the hotter it gets the lower it's conductivity, and higher it's resistance, so it might be that we can find an alloy that reaches a balance once it's warmed up.

One choice creates more inductance and less "jumping ship" and the other creates more "jumping ship" and less inductance. The question is, are they the direct inverse of the other. And which one serves our purpose better.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 06:29:36 AM
Quote
There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.

My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 06:59:11 AM
Quote
On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.

My thinking was that a high rise time is necessary in order to get the potential (volts) as high as possible on to the wire, before the wire actually started conducting. The relaxation time being the time between the start of applying the potential and electrons creating a current.

It would be nice to know if the transition is abrupt or whether the appearance of current in the circuit also has a rise time after the relaxation time is up. It could be the case that we have substantially longer than the relaxation time in order to get the full potential applied across the circuit.

A fast (nano second) rise time is not a prerequisite for switching and electronic components. In electronic circuits a fast rise time is nice if you are triggering off the leading edge but not essential. The rise time just has to be proportional to the rate at which you need to process the information.

However, thinking about this, the voltage rise time quoted for semiconductor switches might be a function of the initial current flow through the semiconductor (I'm not talking about the triggering voltage/current here) and that the 'potential' actually appears on the wire much faster ? Or is this total crap ?!!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 30, 2006, 07:10:05 AM
Quote
There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.

Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.

My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.




Uhh, yep, your right. Heh. I got the E -n wrong on the chart.  My bad. However you quoted the wrong scenario. You should have quoted the low resistance high conductivity scenario.

I was kind of leaning toward the first scenario anyway, as a soft iron wire with higher resistance and longer relax time would would serve a trifecta of purposes. First of all by defenition soft iron wire distorts local standing magnetic lines of flux. With the control wires being made of soft iron(baling) wire, the earths magnetic lines of flux would be pulled into the coils by the control wire, this effect would be small, but it would be there. Perhaps enough for the tuned coils to act on them better. Second, The resistance would cause the electrons to jump ship due to the microscopic imperfections in it's surface, this only happens more and more as it heats up. Thirdly the resistance would also hinder back emf, and cause those electrons to jump the wire as well, as the current stops. And of course theres the magnetic component of the electricity that would cause inductance in adjacent coils.

Quote from: tao
Steven said that it should be the other way around and hence, this statement:
So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable(collector wires) around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings(control wires). Now, if Steven put into those many many windings(control wires, which are around the stout cable) a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from these many many windings(control wires), this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit the stout cable(collector wires). Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.

Ok so are you saying the stout cable is the toroidally wound multistrand wire bundled together? and around that there are the many many control wires(soft iron wire, or the goldish colored wire in your bryce diagram), because this is pretty much how SM described it, in my understanding,  Or the other way around? I'm pretty sure I understand you correctly. In fact I'm pretty sure we have the arrangement nailed.

We still have a lot to figure out though. Kicks, frequencies, control circuits. I think ZPE had a pretty good thing going with that circuit he posted, and Bill Beaty's stuff is interesting too. But it's just a sign of how far we have yet to go.

This could cost a small fortune in wire alone.  :)

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 08:46:37 AM
Tao and all,

I want to check my understanding of what tao has just said concerning Tesla stuff.
So summarising in my own words:

The spark gap allowed the voltage to rise in the supplying capacitor. Only when it had risen to a certain level would a spark jump the spark gap. In this case the spark gap acts as a way of creating an almost instantaneous rise time of voltage in the wire to which the spark gap jumped to ? And that tesla then wanted to blow out this spark gap before the current had a chance to run to the end of the primary ? Therefore preventing current reversals and therefore leading to the effect of kicks, radiant energy etc.

Votes please for Steven Mark TPU:

Iron wire should be:
1. Insulated ?
2. No insulation ?

Iron wire coil (not collector) should be:
A. Closely wound turns that don't quite touch.
B. Very closely wound turns because using insulation.
C. Widely spaced turns.

Length of wire used in the coil should be:
X. Doesn't matter.
Y. As short as possible.
Z. As long as possible.

My vote is for 1 and B and Z which would allow for the most compact coil OR if no insulation is a requirement for transfer of the kick energy then I vote for 2 and C and Z.

I'm assumimg 'Z' in both cases based on Tao's observations on Bedini's devices.

If the iron wire is magnetically saturated does anyone know if this increases the relaxation time ?

Can a magnetic field be directed down the end of a iron wire (as per liberty wave guide idea) ? e.g. If I place North of a permanent magnet against the end of an iron wire does this propagate a north field all the way down the wire, even if the wire is coiled ? I guess I'm going to have to try this one out. A coil of magnetic field, an interesting concept. I wonder how this would interact with a high potential applied to the same coil.

What if we used fine iron filings in a tube, as part of the kick circuit ? This would have an increase in resistance but would it be useful ?




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 09:07:03 AM
Just had another idea on switching potential to a wire.

Take a long length of insulated iron wire. Have two high speed mosfets (SCRs) attached to each end of the iron wire. At the same time as switching one mosfet on you switch the other mosfet so as to disconnect the ground.

You are therefore utilising the small intrinsic differences in switch times to get a very,very small pulse width which would be much, much faster than trying to turn one mosfet on and off with the other end of the iron wire tied to ground.

I don't know whether mosfets will take this sort of abuse though.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Esa Maunu on June 30, 2006, 09:54:21 AM
There is also mumetal wires available.Mumetal consists of 80% Ni  and 20% Fe,usually available as uninsulated.
Interesting property with mumetal is it`s very high permeability, up to 325.000

http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html

Esa
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 10:42:08 AM
This is a slight variation on the previous theme.

Same long pice of iron wire, again with mosfets (scr) one on each end. This time both mosfets are normally tied to ground. You use the same signal to turn both mosfets (scrs) on at the same time feeding the high voltage to both sides of the iron wire at the same time. The slight difference in turn on time, and the difference in turn on time could be in the order of  few pico seconds, would mean one end goes to high volts potential slightly before the other.

The nice thing about this is that you don't have to know which mosfet switches faster, as long as there is a small difference, it should work. This setup also has the nice feature that you get a pico second pulse as you switch both mosfets on AND when you switch both mosfets off.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on June 30, 2006, 10:50:52 AM

I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.

WATCH THE CLIP!!!


:)
Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Esa Maunu on June 30, 2006, 12:13:42 PM
I have made some corrections to my excel table.If you use a wire that has a very high permittivity, say with mumetal wire permittivity is max 350.000 ,this means that if you have a frequency of 6 kHz, the wavelenght in a medium is 8,44 cm , and if the coil circumference is 8,07 cm, there are 3.0 waves around the circumference,if the wire lenght is 1000 cm.
I will send a new version of my Excel table ( bifilar coil ) today to my web-site.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/


Esa
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on June 30, 2006, 04:11:47 PM

I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.

WATCH THE CLIP!!!


:)
Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.

Where do we get that book! It's gone from amazon, not available. :(

Ken Adachi is selling them at educate-yourself.org, but the page is old, who knows if he still has them.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 01, 2006, 07:31:47 AM
Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap. 

That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 01, 2006, 06:20:05 PM
Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap. 

That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...

Well, if the caps discharge instantaneously over a sparkgap on a large enough piece of wire that would explain why the charge jumps the wire, because it wouldn't have enough time to get to the end of the wire. However I'm unclear as to how to force a cap to do that. Do you simply charge the cap to a high enough potential to be able to jump the gap, At which point it dumps enough of it's energy to create a bunching effect in the control wire, which then dumps the bunched electrons at right angles into the coils?

By the way can anyone make out the number of the second patent in that video? The first one is US4595975, which I have attached.
Also attached is the circuit in the first of the two gray patents discussed in the video.

I have not attached the second picture in the patent as I don't think that SM's device uses a conversion element like gray's. I think the arrangement of the coils does that. I think that both devices perform similarly, however one is defenitely putting out conventional electricity, whereas the other is obviously not(gray's), as noted by the fact that you can place your hand in water with a powered device without being shocked with gray's device, and SM clearly states that you could have your heart stopped with his. 

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 01, 2006, 08:34:46 PM
The way Gray did it was to use an electron tube, which is connected to the plus side of a 12/6 V battery, on one side of the spark gap, and the PLUS SIDE of a capacitor on the other side of the spark gap. Then Gray would turn on the electron tube for about 10-50 microseconds and sharply turn it off. Since the electron tube acts like really good diode, BEFORE he pulses the electron tube on and off, it is acting like a diode so the high voltage on the capacitor is seeing NOTHING on the other side of the spark gap. Then when Gray pulses the electron tube the high voltage capacitor, usually at 3000V, sees 12V or 6V(depending on the battery he used) on the other side of the spark gap and then it JUMPS to the other side, right about this time(10-50 microseconds) Gray turns OFF the electron tube and now it is a really good DIODE again, thereby stoping the current in its tracks. Since Gray discharged the 3000V to a POSITIVE VOLTAGE, he there by was creating ELECTROPOSITIVE RADIANT ENERGY, COLD ELECTRICITY. This is why Gray called his process 'splitting the positive'. And Gray would NEVER show anyone his electron tube pulsing circuit, OR his conversion tube!

This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.

By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)

I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:

+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.

However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:

+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)

I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?


Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?





Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 01, 2006, 08:47:55 PM
And SM's device is an Electro-Negative radiant device? Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Ed's device is a more evolved version of the SM device. They both seem to work on producing energy in a similar way, albeit by different means, similar principles apply. EVG used electromagnets, whereas SM uses the earths magnetic field. The conversion element in Grey's device is what is used to convert from EM-Neg to EM-Pos, splitting the positive, and thereby overcoming the heating, runaway, and danger problems with SM's device. It seems a marriage of these two technologies would be the ultimate free energy device.

My question is do you think that the control circuitry in the patent, and as described by Peter, are applicable to the SM device?

Here are z_p_e's circuits for comparison.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 01, 2006, 10:34:04 PM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6531378517026122577&q=free+energy

This was a great video.
Much appreciated.

Camster
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Nali2001 on July 01, 2006, 11:00:02 PM
also see:

Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&q=tesla

Tesla longitudinal electricity
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&q=tesla
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 02, 2006, 12:29:47 AM
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This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.

By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)


I don't know the answer to this for sure, but that is perhaps why Gray used a block of carbon ;).


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I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:

+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.

However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:

+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)

I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?


Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?


Look at the image I made below, Tesla's system and Gray's systems are the same.

I just got off the phone with Peter Lindemann. He's doing a talk at the upcoming Tesla Tech in SLC Utah at the end of this month.
He's a very, VERY informative guy.

For research materials he suggested.

The Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nikola Tesla, which contains Lectures and research by Nikola Tesla. It can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EAC7NE/sr=8-2/qid=1151789980/ref=sr_1_2/104-3292845-9583160?ie=UTF8

His book, of course, and The Secrets of Cold War Technology, which can be found on his site.

The Border Lands archives, related to Eric Dollard.

A paper called "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomenon" By Tesla, which is a chapter in the first book I mentioned, but here is a link to a pdf of the article.

http://ban.junis.ni.ac.yu/Bibl/tesla/tesla_Predavanja/1893_Light_and_Other_HF_Phenomena(Lecture).pdf

What he explained to me, is that splitting the positive is breaking voltage free from current. 

There is an inverse of what happens in a capacitor when it is discharge into a zero impedence wire, and it creates huge amounts of current.

Basically the concept is that when the current in a high impedence inductor collapses, and hence the magnetic field collapses abruptly,  the voltage rises to compensate and create current in the wire because it absolutely HAS to have a path.

Eric Dollard in working with Tesla's principles, discovered that a field effect produced by 1 Ampere CAN be produced by VOLTAGE ALONE!
It takes aproximately 100,000 volts of potential to create the field equivalent to what is produced by 1 amp. This is how over balanced our understanding of electro-magnetism is toward magnetism. And to have 1 volt truly have an equivalence. We'd have to readjust our measurement system entirely. 1 volt should be equal to what is actually considered to be 100,000 volts by todays measurements.

With electricity as it is commonly thought of, as having a component of voltage, and current, voltage is the free part of the equation. Current is actually the breaks in the system. That every conventional electro magnetic motor we have is running with the brakes on so to speak.

Separating the current from the voltage(splitting the positive) is what Telsa did and it is what EV Gray did. Grey did not invent his device. Yes Tao you are correct, HE COPIED IT!, and yes he got his ideas from his buddy at NASA, Tesla's assistant. According to Peter, the reason EG was so closed mouth about his device, is that if anyone more competent than Grey worked on it, he would be swept aside (such was his fear), he even fired his son EV Gray Jr., whom Peter spoke to, who did engineering drawings for him, for asking too many questions about his device.

What Nali2001 posted about logitudinal waves is dead on. That's the key.... At least to Grey's Devices, and perhaps to SM's as well. Perhaps it didn't work from the magnetic field lines of the earth after all.

Also check this out for TEM/LMD stuff. J.L.N did some experiements on this effect.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

Also, he says that the effect that grey produced HAS BEEN REPRODUCED.. There have however been problems with the circuits exploding however. Not many people today have much knowlege about electron tubes, and so have tried without success to replace that with a thyristor or SCR, instead of the thyratron(the component #28 you point to above) which is supposed to be there. At least that is my understanding (He talks very fast). But here my friends is the source of the KICKS!!!! The real source. And the science behind them.

I'm half thinking of working on EG's circuit instead simply because there is so much more info on it.

Also Peter told me that the little note at the beginning of his video proved a bit over optimistic. That not any competent EE can produce the Grey device by taking close notes of his video and book. MUCH study is needed.

He also said that it would be OK to call him ANY TIME, regarding clarification, and help on any reproduction attempts. He's an AWESOME guy! very personable, and a treasure trove of knowlege. My head is bursting. I'm sure I only got down a small fraction of what he told me.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 02, 2006, 08:13:44 AM
It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.

It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.

The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz).  I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.

I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'.  The same energy that Dr. Moray found.  I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source. 

I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did.  The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 02, 2006, 09:23:50 AM
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You truely can't just take Gray's schematic from Peter and just build it, there is much PRIOR knowledge you must possess to know how to HANDLE the radiant.

As the video points out item 36 in the gray diagram is not just the 'load'.

Gray demonstrated light bulbs glowing in water using the 'cold' electricity', this implies the conversion tube that captures radiant electricity does not 'convert' or 'generate' electrons.

Gray does something in item 36 to convert back to electrons. What is this process ?
Is it just a capacitor ?

Now to what SM is doing:

If the Ether is all around us as an oscillating medium then if you can pulse the ether at right angles to the natural oscillation of the ether then this in theory would create a vortex. If the Ether pulses up-down (i.e. along the line of gravity) then you would need to pulse the Ether left-right. Once you have a vortex of Ether, I imagine all sorts of electromagnetic effects could be captured. This would be the turbine effect. In fact if the either just flowed in one direction ( in the direction of gravity) then a left right oscillation would still create a swirling/turbine effect.

The permanent magnet field must come about because of some interaction with the Ether. The permanent magnet is there to enhance certain effects with the Ether. Perhaps it creates a distortion or stabilises the flow of Ether, or compresses the Ether. Either way the magnet is essential to distorted/concentrate the Ether in a way that the device can then use. Remove the magnet and the Ether is no longer distorted and the voltage starts to drop. Obviously the distortion to the Ether is not understood. So there are times where the natural flow of the Ether is correct for operation of the device WITHOUT THE MAGNET. The device SM cut up wouldn't turn off/on even when he removed the magnet, which is why he cut it up!.

A 'kick' obviously interacts with the Ether. If you generate kicks in two devices on opposite sides of the toroids and apply kicks left-right in an oscillating fashion, you will get a swirling. This is what SM meant when he said consider what happens when you have two spherical field than move in two directions.

If you look at SM first devices where the sides of the toroid are open you can clearly see that it is not toroidally wound coils around the whole device. You can however see what look like 4 coils. On two of these coils he places the magnets. These will be the kick coils operating in left-right oscillations and the other two coils will be pick up coils that pick up the magnetic field generated by swirling Ether.

From this design, you analyse what frequencies of left-right generate the most swirling. Now you can generate a more efficient design because instead of left-right you can pulse in a circle as long as it still uphold the same left-right frequency. And instead of two coils picking up only a small part of the rotating magnetic field, you have a complete toroid picking up the magnetic field. Instead of having two kick coils as you now know the frequency you can utilise beat frequencies from two interacting coils, combined with the correct size of coil, to create 'kicks' going in a circle.

The final design is a very clever hybrid where he utilises exactly the correct frequencies so that he can constructively interfere the frequencies in a transformer to create shorter pulses with higher and higher rise times and fall times and also higher amplitude. The coils are fed with these rectified pulses, in exactly the right place to create the rotation at the correct frequency. IT ALSO TOTALLY HIDES THE METHOD OF OPERATING FROM ELECTRIC CIRCUIT CHARACTERISTICS TO PRECISE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS.

But here is the great part. SM is not COLLECTING the radiant energy to feed into an external circuit as per gray but is only feeding back the collected pulses to a capacitor to provide power for his pulsing unit.

He only requires DC pulses of short enough duration, fast rise, fast fall time, and sufficiently high voltage so that the wire the pulse is applied to generates a large enough effect to pulse the Ether BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO GENERATE RADIANT ENERGY, just large enough to pulse the Ether. Iron wire, because of relaxation time, enhances the effect.

The key is not to generate radiant energy from the very first pulse. Just big enough to get the swirling going. Once the swirling is going, you can intercept a magnetic field, get traditional current and feed some of this current back to the battery of the pulse generating circuit. I wouldn't mind betting that the swirling enhances the kick effect which eventually gets large enough to capture radiant electricity and it is this that is fed back into the LC resonant circuit via the small toroidal transformers that we can see in each design.










Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 02, 2006, 09:33:29 AM
The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.

No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 02, 2006, 10:44:49 AM
Going back to the discussion about wire relaxation time and all that... and I've said this before :)  - It's not got anything to do with stopping the voltage/current/power from getting "all the way down the wire"...   I'm pretty sure it was the fairy tale that mannix posted that started that line of reasoning...  HOWEVER... (with all due respect) Mannix does not know how the device works.  Whatever his theories are... and they might be close to right... but they are still just a guess.
Even so - you shouldn't take a parable so literally.  Especially from a friend of a friend.

Tesla's radiant energy is based on "disruptive discharge" and was based on disrupting the discharge of a spark across a gap.  He was extinguishing the spark.  The whole center was the spark.
So what are we looking at when a spark fires?  A dielectric breakdown caused by an electric field... and THAT translates into TIME.  I bet those numbers look better than relaxation times on wire. :)

Any guesses on what exactly gets isolated when a spark is not allowed to make it to 100 microseconds?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: penguin hood on July 02, 2006, 01:25:21 PM
This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.

Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly. 

Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 02, 2006, 01:33:46 PM
The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.

No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.


Is the high frequency usually PURE WHITE? I haven't seen such, so excuse my statement if such is the case. Just from what I have seen, Tesla and Eric Dollard describe the output from the Tesla coils as pure white streamers that have flame like appearances, quite unlike normal high frequency outputs.

Just as a case in point, all those Tesla coils that output the purpleish streamers are NOT TRUE TESLA TRANSMITTERS.
I've used high frequency DC arc welders. They produce EXACTLY the flame of pure white colour if you try to weld too thin a piece of metal. In fact the edges of the flame will turn slightly different colours, depending on the metal vaporised, as the vaporised metal changes state. You can just see the colours when viewing the flame at the end of the energycoil.mpg movie, but the camara is having a hard time dealing with the high brightness of the flame.

It was this movie that convinced me that this TPU device was for real.
That sort of energy should need a BIG power unit!!!

It's fairly frightening really I've had a shock from an arc welder that was current limited.
One second you're in the booth and it appears to you that the next second you are outside of the booth 1 meter away...saying what the hell (actually you say a lot worse than that). The burn lasted weeks.

The guy in the movie doing the demonstration 'flame' is a total nutter (in the nicest possible way) for
a. Not wearing gloves.
b. For holding both contact in his hand. One arc and it's a jolt straight across the chest.

As a warning to all in general.

For those that aren't aware, contrary to hollywood, when you receive an ongoing shock all your muscles tighten stiff. You are not actually flung back. What happens, is you loose awareness (not necessarily consciousness), if you are lucky enough that the tightening of the muscles disconnects you from the source of shock, you stumble backwards, as a standing tightened muscular frame has a balance point that tips you backwards, your body if it can regain control of the muscles will try to keep balance, at some point, your awareness returns. From your own point of view it is an instant of time between the start of the shock and picking yourself off the floor a couple of meters back. Your mind infers that you were blasted backwards at high speed.

If you have a penchant for touching bare wires, a neon test screwdriver is handy as it'll glow to almost any kind of reasonable high potential (100+V) with even a small current behind it, be it AC/DC or high frequency. Second having confirmed that the wire is not live, never first touch with your fingers, use the back of your hand. By using the back of the hand, if there is current on it, that will shock, your fingers will tighten over just air, and almost certainly disconnect you from the shock. Unpleasant but liveable. If you use your fingers, your fingers will involuntarily grasp the cable tighter and you will almost certainly die as there will be no Residual Current Device to break the current.



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 02, 2006, 01:42:16 PM
This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.

Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly. 

Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.

Thank you very much Penguin Hood. That would be most appreciated.
Your experience with designing circuits/electronics experience will be very useful.
I might have a couple of other circuit outlines to run past you in the next few weeks.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 02, 2006, 05:43:29 PM
It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.

It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.

The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz).  I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.

I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'.  The same energy that Dr. Moray found.  I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source. 

I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did.  The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.


To elaborate on a hypothesis:

 "It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power."

A spark when discharged emits frequencies.  Many frequencies across the entire spectrum band, but for an instant.  (Like how you hear static discharge on the AM radio at any frequency).  This frequency discharge must interact with the special frequency that taps into this radiant energy.  (My guess is in the Ultra Violet range of frequency, where I believe that magnetism resides).  The 'radiant energy' piggy backs or is modulated onto the energy of the original spark (similar to how audio on an AM radio carrier travels) and can be split off of the original spark energy and stored or used.  Just a guess, but this is my guess as to how this energy is made available to use or store in a tesla or Ed Gray style device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 02, 2006, 06:10:48 PM
Additionally, I will go on to say that the aerial generator and the SM device, appear to use the frequency of a local magnet (through the use of iron, or steel wire) to mingle with the magnetic field of the earth. (After conversion of the earth's magnetic field in iron wire, while mixing with that of the local masking magnetic field, resulting in a 5-6khz AC output?).  It appears that the iron/steel wire may have a similar capablity to that of fiber optics.  But it has more to it.  The fiber optics carries the laser light.  The iron wire may carry the magnetic field and frequency. 

If two such wires were placed near each other, one being attached to the local magnet (from N to S pole) and the other iron wire attached at one end of the local magnet and then fed into a toroid with copper windings, cut to frequency of about 5-6khz.  Perhaps this is the essence of the SM device? 

Just something to think about.

Liberty
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 02, 2006, 06:44:51 PM
The previously attached drawing of a possible TPU configuration has expired.  This was an Independence Day special attraction only!  This circuit is for educational purposes only.  :)

Disclaimer:  Warning!  The circuit may be capable of producing hazardous voltages or other safety issues.  Do not build or use the circuit as it is intended for educational purposes only.  If you choose to build or use the circuit or any part thereof, it is completely at your own risk.  The 'possibletpuconfiguration' circuit may or may not work. 

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: lancaIV on July 03, 2006, 01:16:02 AM
Yes,it seems that there is a similance between
the Molina-Martinez device and the Meyer-Mace concept,
one is open and the other closed !
But this is a part of the MEG-study,Pasichinikyj included !

There is the choice to use e-magnets and or pm-magnets,
to introduce pulsed DC or AC.

S
  dL
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 03, 2006, 06:02:17 AM

Tesla's radiant energy is based on "disruptive discharge" and was based on disrupting the discharge of a spark across a gap.  He was extinguishing the spark.  The whole center was the spark.


Tesla used a spark gap because he didn't have nothing better to switch high voltages!
Not correct. There are a number of tesla patents that deal with achieving faster and faster switch rates e.g. opposite rotating contact wheels.
The main advantage of using a spark is the extremely FAST RISE-TIME of applying the voltage to the line.
One of THE essential requirement of achieving the desired radiant energy.
The second being that shorter and shorter impulse duration created different effects.
Hence the need to use different techniques to blow out the spark. Both magnets and hot air were used by Tesla.


He wrote about exploding or vaporizing wires when he discharged his capacitors into
thin pieces of wire. At the same time he noted a "tingling" effect resulting from the
experiment. He described that as tiny particles going out of the wires at right angles.

All the talk about stopping the spark was just to get shorter sparks.
Tesla wanted a higher repetition rate for the power discharge to study the effect.
So he needed to stop the spark quickly just to generate a new one. Nothing magic here!

NO. It is not just about generating new sparks.It is
a. Creating very fast rise time of applied voltage to the wire.
b. Creating very fast fall time as the voltage is removed from the wire.
c. Creating very short impulse times.
d. Ensuing no backrush of energy. (In modern terms - the reverse voltage breakdown level of the rectifier/diode was extremely high.)
e. Repetition of the impulses at regular intervals.

The 'magic' is that tesla realised a simple spark would meet ALL of these requirements.
Something that is still hard to beat with modern semiconductors.


He used thicker wire and higher power levels. The wire didn't explode anymore, but
that tingling sensation remained as Tesla previewed. And he noted about lamps turning
on when conected to the short piece of metal at the other side of the spark gap!

What you fail to mention is that from the spark gap to the primary was a large copper bus bar.
The lamp was connected across this copper bus bar, with the bus bar shorting the lamp.
The lamp still however lit.

On his Tesla coils he used just two turns of thick wire for the primary.
He wanted to KICK the wire to the very limit of explosion, but without exploding the wire!
That is the way he got his radiant energy generation! That energy was collected at the
secondary of his coils and amplified by resonance (standing waves).

So, have you ever seen a magnetizer in operation?
Remember those Mannix battery jumper cables?

They produce the same effect, high power suddenly running into the wires without exploding
them. The same happens in the tube filament Steven told us. Too much power and it burns.

I guess the magic is exactly this high power discharge (KICKS) into pieces of wire.
Edwin Gray collected that same energy released in the process.

What kind of energy is that?


See inline comments in above quote
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on July 03, 2006, 07:36:37 AM
Ed Grays Power Conversion Tube

According to Bedini, Ed Gray used copper mesh grids to collect radiant energy from the spark gap.

Have a look here:
http://www.keelynet.com/evgray/powrtube.htm

Mike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 03, 2006, 08:27:25 AM
Important Experimental Results

A 1000V capacitor (CapA) is discharge across an **iron wire**. Making the connection causes sparks so I guess this counts as a spark gap.

I tried winding many collector air coils made of copper with different diameters. Only one end of the collector coil is connected to the +ve of a DIFFERENT 1000V capacitor (CapB) previously charged to 500V via a 500V charging circuit rigged from a camara flash unit.

With this set up:
1. I mesaured the voltage on CapB.
2. I would charge CapA and discharge across the iron wire.
3. I would repeat step 2, 10-20 times.
4. I then remeasure the voltage on CapB again.

This process was repeated for different diameters/ lengths of collector coil.
The collector coil being placed in many different positions - Iron wire placed inside the collector coil or collector coil placed in different positions around the iron wire.
Permanent magnets placed in different positions.

No change in voltage was noted in CapB with any of the coils. If anything a slight reduction in voltage.

I finally tried a spiral collector coil as per tesla secondary in his magnifying transmitter.
This had a definate affect on the voltage of the capacitor.
Sometimes it would be 1 volt higher, sometimes 1 volt lower. I sometimes get a string of reductions of say 0.5 volt each. And other times a string of increases of 0.5 volts.

There seems to be no consistency. I've tried placing magnets at different positions to try and get consistent increase or consistent decrease.

As yet no consistency. But a definate effect.

Conclusion

A flat spiral coil is known to be a good broadband receiver. Early radio enthusiansts (1940's) used flat spiral coils on the end of long radio receiving aerials to increase the receiving frequency bandwidth.

Either the spiral coil is being inducted with energy in the standard induction principle or it is a small manifestation of the kick. I am encouraged that non of my other non spiral coils had this affect.

If it is radiant energy I believe the spiral worked because of the changing diameter of the copper wire. It requires a certain circumference to grab the radiant energy is my guess which is why non of my other coils worked. (Unfortunately this same principle could be true, I think, for standard electromagnetic radiation).

Obviously the time taken to do each pulse limits getting the parameters correct and to eliminate affects caused by constant measuring of the voltage. Once I get the pulsing circuit going I'll be able to have an oscilloscope constantly attached and hopefully will be able to make further deductions.

Now need to get a capacitor based pulsing circuit going. And by good luck Penguin Hood has earlier said he'll be posting such a circuit....

By the way a pulsing automotive coil has too much ringing to be any good as a HV pulsing supply. Also you can't get the pulsing frequency up very high as the primary doesn't have chance to reach full voltage (Magnetic field has not fully expanded in primary coil). Nor can you control the pulse width.




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on July 03, 2006, 11:39:43 AM
Single Wire Conduction
using flat spiral coil
from Milan Manchich

see here:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/milan.htm

Mike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on July 03, 2006, 01:28:15 PM
Hi Bob,
please try to use iron wire coils in your setup.
Try to premagnetize the iron coils with a magnet
as close to the Barkhausen jump magnetisation level
as possible with the right distance of the magnet
and put a cap in parallel so you have a LC circuit.
Then give it a kick via an electric pulse and see,
if it will resonate at the Barkausen frequency
or lower frequency, but make sure the oscillation
will drive it always through the Barkhausen regime,
so you will see some spikes on the oscillation voltage.
Now if you have the iron wire coil on a ferrite core and
couple these spikes to another iron wire coil with a cap in paralell
you could see, if you could resonate this LC circuit as well
and finally try to feedback some energy to the first LC circuit with
some additional circuit.
Please try step by step.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on July 03, 2006, 01:41:57 PM
P.S: Bob Shannon, who made this Barkhausen effect receiver said to me,
that the Barkhausen jumps occured also with a static magnet sitting
at the right distance away from the iron material. Then the jumps were
quite low in counts, but some domains flipped back and forth,
so there is some energy generation via these jumps occuring in this state
due to the temperature and background radiation which kicks
some magnetic domains back and forth.
So if you would have a sine current which goes through this regime,
it would also flip the domains back and forth and the spikes
of this flipping would induce voltage spikes that could be collected
in a bigger cap.
This is probably the big electrolytic cap in Steven Mark?s bigger 1 KW unit
inside the toroid.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 03, 2006, 08:08:31 PM
I want to first say that I in no way want to deviate from the RADIANT TESLA/GRAY line of discussions, because ultimately I feel that is the ONLY PLACE where FREE ENERGY IS, but I found this today, and I couldn't get over how similar it was to Steven's second device..............


Steven's second device in the video coilnew05.avi looks like the exact same thing as a previous patent from 1993 in France.

Allow me to explain the EXACT similarities in detail, THEN you can decide for yourself.


Here is a description of the device:
--This patented generator is a solid-state generator which uses the nuclear resonant ferromagnetic effect in a cylindrical rod of iron. (BALING WIRE ANYONE???)
--It uses a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound around it.
--This rod is placed between a U shaped core (soft iron)(A ROD PULS ATTACHED TO A "U" SHAPE EQUALS A COMPLETE CIRCLE/TOROID) for closing the magnetic circuit and thus reducing the magnetic losses(SIMILAR TO A TOROID, SOMETHING STEVEN TOLD US TO LOOK INTO) (see the diagram).
--The inventors claim that if we introduce 105 eV to the iron (isotope 56), its change to the iron isotope 54. The energy generated by this nuclear reaction inside the iron rod will produce an energy gain of 20,000 eV. The energy required for generating the isotopic mutation is produced by a nuclear magnetic resonance effect. The parametric excitation is obtained by the coil #2 acting as the pump.
The energy output is collected by the coil #3 which is able to produce 110-220-380V at 400Hz(THIS COULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED, THE Hz, BASED ON THE SETUP USED).
--The iron rod is used as the main source of energy by isotopic mutation effect, thus, this will provide a simple and cheap source of energy for a long time.
--The inventors claim that this device can be used for building self-powered elecrical power supplies.

Here is the patent abstract:
Abstract of FR2680613
Generator of energy by resonant nuclear ferromagnetism, consisting of a "U"-shaped chassis made of mild steel containing a cylindrical bar made of ferromagnetic fuel rod on which at least 3 induction coils act.(AT LEAST THREE, SO THERE COULD BE MORE)The first coil is an electromagnet(YOU COULD ALSO USE A SMALL PERMANENT MAGNET TO PRODUCE THIS SAME EFFECT AS THE DC BIAS FROM THIS ELECTROMAGNET DOES, HMMM :)), the second is a nuclear magnetic resonance actuator(THE KICK GENERATING WIRE), the third(COLLECTOR COILS) recovering the induction energy present in the bar. Device intended particularly to supply commercially exploitable electrical energy as well as to perform isotopic mutations.


Now, lets look at some of the things that we have seen from the various videos of Steven and his words:
--Steven's device is known, at least the first one, to use baling wire, of which many consist of IRON.
--Steven NEVER SAID he DIDN'T use batteries, only that a battery couldn't do the demonstrations of power his TPU was showing, that doesn't mean a battery wasn't there to provide the frequencies to the IRON,
--Steven said to pay attention to the TOROIDAL structure and that it was IMPORTANT, hmm, just like the device above, absolutely IMPORTANT.
--Steven's device OBVIOUSLY used permanent magnets NEAR the coils, hmm, maybe to simulate the 0.5 Tesla DC field that the electromagnet on COIL #1 of the patent creates?
--Steven's devices came out just a little after the French patent above, i.e. 1993.
--The AC entered into the COIL #2 would be the KICK GENERATING WIRE that produces the nuclear reactions that move through the TPU and are picked up via the COIL #3.
--Steven's second device in particular appear to ONLY HAVE A COUPLE COILS, JUST LIKE THE PICTURE FROM THE FRENCH PATENT.


Again, if I am wrong, at least we got to see another potential for inclusion into the matrix of ideas about Steven's TPU, a win-win situation.


Thanks Tao for bringing this up. There are definate parallels with the Steven Mark's device as you've pointed out.

Have you noticed that the 21Mhz mentioned in the patent is exactly 120 times the 175Khz identified with magnetism ? Interesting huh.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on July 04, 2006, 02:59:11 PM
Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 04, 2006, 03:34:59 PM
Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have this on my list of things to try.
I'll pm you when I have done it. (and will post to the board the results)
I'm concentrating at the moment on getting parts for a pulsing circuit.
I do have to say in the next few weeks my spare time is going to be limited as a project at work moves to the next phase.....
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 04, 2006, 06:51:37 PM
Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have this on my list of things to try.
I'll pm you when I have done it. (and will post to the board the results)
I'm concentrating at the moment on getting parts for a pulsing circuit.
I do have to say in the next few weeks my spare time is going to be limited as a project at work moves to the next phase.....

Happy independence day for those of you in the US, be safe with your fireworks, and enjoy the barbeques!!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 06, 2006, 06:25:50 AM
Hi All,

I have a gut feeling that the person behind all of this is stan deyo as both the dates posted for these videos imply.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2183733306119723239&q=free+energy+duration%3Along

compare the designs illustrated in these 2 videos.

Simply put a and b together people and you will probably work out the message between the lines.

Regards,

Dean
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 06, 2006, 07:00:47 AM
Additionally I suspect that there is little or no additional technology required in these devices. What we may be observing is the juxtaposition of 2 coils of equal mass and density  similar to the the tesla transponder stimulated by the presence of a local magnetic source so that they vibrate and become resonant to the earths magnetic field. The magnet would be used similar to a tuning fork to begin or maintain the resonance. The frequency required was described in the video 6XXX? Take your calcs do the math on the length and distrubition for the windings and the differential as per the longitudinal wave video and see what happens?. Subsequently the toroidal or vortex nature of the system may be the reason that once turned upside down .. ofcourse depending on which hemisphere you are in .. the device stops working.

Just my totally whacky idea here but some people are better at the big picture than others i guess.
   
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 06, 2006, 08:32:11 AM
Hi All,

I have a gut feeling that the person behind all of this is stan deyo as both the dates posted for these videos imply.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2183733306119723239&q=free+energy+duration%3Along

compare the designs illustrated in these 2 videos.

Simply put a and b together people and you will probably work out the message between the lines.

Regards,

Dean

Well, the stan deyo video is very interesting. And he was in australia for a Loooooong time. Just recently got his citizenship back. He and steven may have crossed paths. But I don't think they are the same person. Even if SM does look like a young stan deyo. Their voices are wrong. The designs in the video did give me a moment of pause, as at first look, the toroidal coil in the antigravity portion of the video reminded me of our own arrangement here. However the free energy stuff was more like moray's receivers. I suppose SM's device could be an incarnation of what Moray did.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 06, 2006, 09:03:22 AM
Also note in the stan dey footage he skips the free energy device component of his presentation.

Another point is that if you view the coil from stevens pictures closely they seem to exhibit the thick band around the outside sometimes as the light catches them, extrememly similar to the design shown in the deyo clip.

certainly still has me wondering, and being an aussie i can hear the accent in both clips. though i do agree not so similar sounding voices.

i think this may just be a collaborative assault to bring this technology forward.

Or a load of crap as so many of us have discovered over the years :(
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 06, 2006, 10:22:41 AM
ok, heres another theory, posibbly leading to a potential scam accusation here .. maybe what we are seeing is an implimentation of the tesla power transitter/reciever. with the power source located in another room ??
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on July 07, 2006, 03:23:42 AM
The Fogal semiconductor

 The device has an electrolytic capacitor and a parallel resistor   attached to the emitter junction of a bipolar transistor.   Electrolytic capacitors react differently in this type of circuit configuration than a standard non-electrolytic bypass capacitor.  The electrolytic capacitor creates a unique electromagnetic field. The parallel resistor is used to "bleed-off" excess charge potential from the plate of the capacitor to generate the electromagnetic field.

taken from:  http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/fogal_device/fogal.htm

maby this could explain the capacitors with parallel resistors

what do you guys think about this?

Thanks,
 Mike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 07, 2006, 04:00:20 AM
This is an interesting little piece of technology. One of the things that Peter told me when we talked, was that if you are generating power with NO HEAT, you know you are on the right track. However SM's unit has an overheating problem. This is one of the things that confuses me about it. I Keep going back and forth between it being misdiagnosed as tapping the earth's magnetic field and it actually being zpe/aether, and it actually tapping the magnetic field. The Heat problem seems to indicate large amounts of inductance/current. This means he's obviously NOT "splitting the positive" as EV Gray would put it. If however, one of Grey's conversion tubes was placed on the output, (sparkgap, resistor, collector tubes), in series with a thyristor/thyratron, I'm thinking we'd see some HUGE gains, and the thing would run cool! However, mannix/sm arent talking anymore, obviously, so... who knows.

Oh, yeah! Everyone notice? We have now been graced with underlined, and linked words that we will never click on because we are not farking MORONS. I'm thinking this is about it for me here. I can't stand the commercialization of a website that is based on FREE energy. I'll be starting one soon. The ads on every single page of every single thread were bad enough. Then posting those lame ebay ads with fake click through crap so he could make money. Now the idiot traps. Great. It's even in the the title of this forum now, at least as I'm typing this "ENERGY" is underlined with an ad link. That seems appropriate. Ironic somehow. A free energy site using the word energy to link ads to make money. Honestly. I've hosted, and developed several web sites, and it's not that expensive. You either believe in what your doing and are willing to pay for it or not.

.... and that's how I REALLY feel.

I just bought a hosting account for 2 years, 35gb space, unlimited bandwidth transfers, asp.net, AND cgi hosting, unlimited databases, unlimited domain parking, and unlimited domain registrations.

The root domain is gn0sis.com, which is where I'll host my ad-free forums. it's not up yet but should be within 24 hours. Anyone is welcome there.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Landor on July 07, 2006, 05:50:33 AM
Keep your hair on or you may blow a valve mate  ;D. Patience is a virture and when exercised wards off ulsers and the like. I am working on a water connector which I hope to be testing soon. I wish to see if it will also not generate heat when current passes through it. One always has to live in hope and if not lots of fun and ecitement trying  ::)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 07, 2006, 09:52:15 AM

My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.

If it were real..

Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?

If it is real and he is working out the bugs.

Show others and they will help work out the bugs.  Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.

I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..

I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.

I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.

Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 07, 2006, 01:11:47 PM

My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.

If it were real..

Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?

If it is real and he is working out the bugs.

Show others and they will help work out the bugs.  Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.

I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..

I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.

I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.

Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)


Dean, why don't you sod off if you have nothing constructive to contribute. It's obvious you have very little insight into either the technology nor the politics involved. Quite frankly why would Steven Mark even care what you think about him given the lack of credibility you have establish on this forum.

More to the point, a personal attack on Steven Mark can only have one motive, which is to ensure Steven Mark does not make any further contribution to this forum.

So I repeat, take your personal attacks elsewhere, you are not welcome here.

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 07, 2006, 11:21:44 PM

My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.

If it were real..

Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?

If it is real and he is working out the bugs.

Show others and they will help work out the bugs.  Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.

I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..

I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.

I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.

Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)


All this from an Aussie who's claim to fame is you made it on tv once on accident? How are you contributing? Go smoke your herbs and play your guitar on some street corner where you'll be appreciated, if you haven't been banned at the noise bar.. Steven's a good guy, just a little gun-shy because of people like you. Like he needs, or even gives a sh*t about your pathetic critisizms.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 08, 2006, 12:24:36 PM
I will ignore that flame as you can only be so upset if you are so desperate to be a believer, though I won't stand down based on your very low level research effort on my contributions to this world. Maybe you have become an investor in this new prophet, and should he be so lame as to scurry into the woodwork where he belongs due to my comments then so be it. So google my name all you like, go ahead make wild allegations or some weak lie up see if i care, but hero's are meant to save the world not leave bread crumbs off into obscurity. Be careful where you place faith, you wont be the first sucker born nor the last. I read with interest a large portion of the postings and watched with interest all the videos and materials provided. I drew my own conclusions and made my own comments as I feel i have every right to.

I am sure you are neither a bad person nor as ignorant as you have portrayed, so just remember , I am here and able to respond and need no proxy to do so... Steven isn't !!

PS. Hope you listend to a few tracks while you were there... may improve my rankings anyways.

Kind Regards,

Dean McGowan


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 08, 2006, 03:10:58 PM
Hi all,
Perhaps I need to qualify something.

At this stage this thread is for those who ARE winding coils. Information and discussion WILL come up to a pace where we can all get on the same page.BUT if you do not have the basic test equipment and aren't prepered to put lots of effort in then be honest and just watch...do not contribute unless you are hands on. I apolagise if I have offended any body ,I am just trying to give this the best chance of success.
If your ego gets bruised by this ...you need a thicker ego. I know I do sometimes.
If any body that is hands on,has the necessary skill, works with high voltage, and is prepared to spend much spare time chasing this Please let me know.
I am going to get us all to the gate at the same time and not be slowed down by those who have just arrived. This has been going for months now so For those who have just discovered this Please Take the time and read everything.I imagine it will take several nights to read and several weeks to absorb.
As stated, very early on this will never be monkey see monkey do ...mabey nothing will be achieved except the journey I dont know..what I do know is that we cannot keep slowing down to the pace of those who come in late.
Plenty of people who are well trained an have passed many memory tests have in thier mind, very good reasons to say that this is impossible. For you people please just leave us dreamers alone and do a crossword. Success is just a matter of time and some hard work for the rest of us ,and the more productive we can spend that time the better.Its still free to watch The last thing that we should have here is a closed shop...If it comes to that this whole thing will be a failure of sorts.
Please pm me with your experience and equipment..lets get going.

Lindsay Mannix
 

Mannix, I totally disagree.

I think it is only your perception that things are slowed down by other people posting and 'coming in late'. People are mostly slowed down by work and family commitments. People don't have a straight run of time. I get 3-4 days spare if I finish a project early.

I would appreciate more of your involvement in the ongoing discussions and theories raised.

What do you think causes the rotating magnetic field ?
How are you getting the kicks ?
What mechanism are you using to get multiple kicks ?
How are you collecting the kick energy ?
What mechanism are you using or thinking of using in order to convert the static energy into a rotating magnetic field ?
What parameters have you determined for efficiently collecting kick energy ?

I know you've posted the 'all the kings men' story but honestly why introduce another layer of interpretation. Why not actually tell us exactly what you believe, why you believe this, what experiments you've done to confirm your theory, and whether SM has confirmed your beliefs.

Why not start another thread with the opening message, This thread is for contributors who are building coils please post on the other thread if you are not building coils ? Perhaps on this new thread you could post any other information from Steven Mark that you have not yet put onto the board. Why you hold back information I have no idea. That last personal message was crucial. Could have saved me a bucket load of time if I had it earlier.

I for one would like to know:

How long had you been holding onto the last particularly valuable information from Steven Mark ?

Do you have any other information from Steven Mark that you are not posting at this moment ?

Why drip feed the information ? Let's get all the information on the board.


I have a 35MHz oscilloscope, 3Mhz Function Generator, and a shed full of old parts. I'm familiar with high voltage, rf precautions. I never wear a watch or jewellery when in my experiments shed. I'm thinking of obtaining a spectrum analyser (I know a two way satellite guy who may have one going).




Drip feed .. bread crumbs .. you say potato i say potato .. the only thing that seperates us is that one of us is in denial and the other isn't

Regards,

Dean
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 08, 2006, 03:40:03 PM
Would anyone like to debate the evidence given thus far before committing resources and time to their replication efforts?

If just one person could put forward a convincing unbiased assessment of the information submitted so far, then I should take back my comments and I will gladly do so.

You see, i know some of you guys are as smart as hell, and more than willing to give of your time and effort, but i have been following these information trails for years now online, and I rarely make comments as you may easily confirm with google (as some like to do) But this and the myriad of tales of human colonisation of faraway galaxies by intelligent aliens doing exchange student programs and the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"

which by the way is a total misnomer given the nature of the technology presented much more likely that it would be a longitudinal wave phenomena should it be real.

Keep up the good work, keep an open mind even .. much as was put forward in the stan deyo video when the scientists were told the story of the guy who happened upon the antigravity device and perished demonstrating it, If this thread inspires you to try as it so obvously has then Steven Mark story is harmless... but i think the scientist were lucky they werent given a video of a supposedly functional device, rather just the belief they can if they try....

Don't stop trying .. I know i wont.

 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: penguin hood on July 08, 2006, 05:23:06 PM
The following explanation is the function principle of a high voltage pulse generator designed and built two years ago to drive capacitive loads. The prototype showed be very good for this purpose.
I think create a website to share deeper information about the generator due the forum visualization is not appropriate.

FIG 1
The figure 1 is a circuital configuration frequently used in electronic to generate unipolar voltage pulses. The output has the Co capacitor as load.
During the transistor cut off (OFF) the voltage output is equal to V1 source while during the transistor saturation (ON) is approached to zero.
The R1 resistance must limit the drawing current through the transistor during the saturation. Therefore the resistance must be increased as long as the V1 voltage is increased. As consequence, for high voltages this circuit has a very large RC time constant affecting the pulse edge, wherein R is the net resistance and C is the net capacitance of circuit.
Also the maximum voltage output of this configuration is being limited by the maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
The objective was to demonstrate the difficulty to generate high voltage pulses with sharp edges using this configuration.

FIG 2
The figure 2 is the circuital configuration used by the high voltage pulse generator proposed.
Two transistors, the transistors M1 and M2 are switched alternatively. While one is satured (ON) the other transistor is cutt off (OFF) and viceversa
Each transistor has connected in parallel a zener diode (Dz1, Dz2). The circuit has a particularity: between the cathode of Dz1 and the negative of V1 the voltage is constant and equal to the zener voltage, despite the switching is changing the transistor states. Chossing the Dz1, Dz2 zener diodes of voltage close to V1 voltage, the resistance can be reduced considerably (several magnitude orders) still keeping unchanged the drawing current throrough the zener diodes. So the RC time constant can be very small improving notably the switching time.
Again the maximum voltage output is being limited by maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.

FIG 3
Defining with the name "Cell" to the circuit of figure 2, if the outputs from N cells are serial connected (the fig 3 has 4 cells), the voltage is multiplied by N independing the maximum output voltage of the individual component limitations.
The voltages from V1,V2,V3,V4 sources MUST BE FLOATINGS. It is easy to create many floating AC voltages from one only source using coils coupled magnetically (a transformer with many secondaries). Then from each floating AC voltage are created the high DC voltages (V1, V2, V3, and V4 at fig.3) using voltage multipliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier) 
Note that the function of a transformer in this case it is not to gain voltage but to decouple the voltages, while the voltage multipliers are used to gain voltage.
The transformer should operate to high frequency (kHz order) so the voltage multipliers recover rapidly the charge.
With the actually disposable MOSFET transistors each cell could generate unipolar pulses of 1000 volts, then using 4 cells as in FIG.3 it is possible generate unipolar pulses of 4000 volts on a capacitive load on order nanofarads with switching times on the order of nanoseconds.
FIG. 4
Shows to how to control the transistors.
FIG. 5
Shows how to generate the floating voltages for the voltage multiplier and transistor control. The coils are on same ferrite core. The complete diagram to build one cell.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 08, 2006, 07:33:55 PM
Would anyone like to debate the evidence given thus far before committing resources and time to their replication efforts?

If just one person could put forward a convincing unbiased assessment of the information submitted so far, then I should take back my comments and I will gladly do so.

You see, i know some of you guys are as smart as hell, and more than willing to give of your time and effort, but i have been following these information trails for years now online, and I rarely make comments as you may easily confirm with google (as some like to do) But this and the myriad of tales of human colonisation of faraway galaxies by intelligent aliens doing exchange student programs and the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"

which by the way is a total misnomer given the nature of the technology presented much more likely that it would be a longitudinal wave phenomena should it be real.

Keep up the good work, keep an open mind even .. much as was put forward in the stan deyo video when the scientists were told the story of the guy who happened upon the antigravity device and perished demonstrating it, If this thread inspires you to try as it so obvously has then Steven Mark story is harmless... but i think the scientist were lucky they werent given a video of a supposedly functional device, rather just the belief they can if they try....

Don't stop trying .. I know i wont.

 

If your not going to stop trying and you believe we should stay open minded, then why berate? Why share a negative opinion at all? Whether or not someone has believable assessment of the technology and the Man himself is of no consequence if that is your final outlook.

Here is the crux of the device, the video, the man, etc. Regardless of whether or not you like the way he presents it.

The effect you see in the videos is impossible to fake. Unless the videos were professionally edited by someone in hollywood to remove the wires that it would obviously take to provide enough electricity to power those devices, it's real. No transformer/battery arrangement known can do that in that small of a package. Period.

So ad-hominem attacks will get you nowhere in the face of the reality of the device.

Steven CANT give us all the information. He no longer owns the rights to the device. He can give us hints to how the device works and how it is arranged, via little parables and what-not, but unless he wants to lose his home to patent lawyers, he's pretty much stuck to this system of delivery.

Go back and read the ENTIRE thread, and follow all the links posted and read those materials as well. Then come back with a full understanding of the technology we're working with.

Pay close attention to Tao's "eureka" post and the amasci.com materials.

Now, am I unbiased? NO. I believe this thing exists and works. But I simply cannot believe otherwise given the evidence of my eyes.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 09, 2006, 02:23:27 AM
The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.

Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example. Who amonst you did not honestly doubt up until this point, though readily accepted the demonstation as the "clincher" in the deal. Our hopes and dreams were already engaged by this point and more than anything else, myself included were happy to negate the fact that there was little convincing about this grand finale presentation that had us/me totally taken in. I was more than ready to run off to the workshop and begin tweaking my toys, until i gave myself leave to re-examine the facts provided.

I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined, however and I know you would agree they are most definitely not the source of the ascribed overunity and are only capable of rearranging the values in our standard equations and not capable of creating more output than input.

This highlight to me your understanding of electronics but not the capabilities of the Marks device. And this again shows us how we are lead along to believe as we take 80% factual information add it to the unknown, which could easily be given should Steven had not be so silly as to attribute his identity to the information and had just posted the information as someone who had just discovered it for themselves. Who is to say he posted  it under these circumstances ? unless ofcourse there is some need for recognition or self glorification?

Or .. its a hoax ?



Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 09, 2006, 12:30:46 PM
The following explanation is the function principle of a high voltage pulse generator designed and built two years ago to drive capacitive loads. The prototype showed be very good for this purpose.
I think create a website to share deeper information about the generator due the forum visualization is not appropriate.

FIG 1
The figure 1 is a circuital configuration frequently used in electronic to generate unipolar voltage pulses. The output has the Co capacitor as load.
During the transistor cut off (OFF) the voltage output is equal to V1 source while during the transistor saturation (ON) is approached to zero.
The R1 resistance must limit the drawing current through the transistor during the saturation. Therefore the resistance must be increased as long as the V1 voltage is increased. As consequence, for high voltages this circuit has a very high 1/RC time constant affecting the pulse edge, wherein R is the net resistance and C is the net capacitance of circuit.
Also the maximum voltage output of this configuration is being limited by the maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
The objective was to demonstrate the difficulty to generate high voltage pulses with sharp edges using this configuration.

FIG 2
The figure 2 is the circuital configuration used by the high voltage pulse generator proposed.
Two transistors, the transistors M1 and M2 are switched alternatively. While one is satured (ON) the other transistor is cutt off (OFF) and viceversa
Each transistor has connected in parallel a zener diode (Dz1, Dz2). The circuit has a particular simmetry, no matter the switching, the drawing current from source through R1 remain constant (in other words, the drawing current through R1 is DC). Chossing the Dz1, Dz2 zener diodes of voltage close to V1 voltage, the resistance can be reduced considerably (several magnitude orders) still keeping low the drawing current. So the 1/RC time constant can be very small improving notably the switching time.
Again the maximum voltage output is being limited by maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.

FIG 3
Defining with the name "Cell" to the circuit of figure 2, if the outputs from N cells are serial connected (the fig 3 has 4 cells), the voltage is multiplied by N independing the maximum output voltage of the individual component limitations.
The voltages from V1,V2,V3,V4 sources MUST BE FLOATINGS. It is easy to create many floating AC voltages from one only source using coils coupled magnetically (a transformer with many secondaries). Then from each floating AC voltage are created the high DC voltages (V1, V2, V3, and V4 at fig.3) using voltage multipliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier) 
Note that the function of a transformer in this case it is not to gain voltage but to decouple the voltages, while the voltage multipliers are used to gain voltage.
The transformer should operate to high frequency (kHz order) so the voltage multipliers recover rapidly the charge.
With the actually disposable MOSFET transistors each cell could generate unipolar pulses of 1000 volts, then using 4 cells as in FIG.3 it is possible generate unipolar pulses of 4000 volts on a capacitive load on order nanofarads with switching times on the order of nanoseconds.

Thanks Penguin Hood. Your efforts are much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 09, 2006, 02:20:31 PM
I've highlighted below the techniques this 'Dean' person is using to instill doubt.

He will attempt to draw us into further discussions, under the guise of wanting 'to believe' or 'prove it to me' to waste time and also so he can use the pattern of selecting a subset of information, making a logical fallacy, and drawing a conclusion that instills doubt.

I suggest any further posts we simply reply by pointing back to this posting
which clearly demonstrates his modus operandi.

The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.

Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example.
He quotes a small subset of the information available on all the videos/forum.
He then states as fact that only a subset of the information he has given is the only credible information.
He then goes on to show how his ONE example could be faked. And then draws the INCORRECT conclusion that if you doubt the TV example, you should seriously consider that you are being decieved. He is doing the logical equivalent of "All fish live underwater therefore everything underwater must be a fish.". He fails to mention the video demonstration of the flame like discharge from the large coil.

The flame discharge showing vaporisation of metal with intense white arcing light requires HIGH FREQUENCY, HIGH VOLTAGE and HIGH CURRENT. This is a FACT. This clearly indicates that HIGH POWER is available.


Who amonst you did not honestly doubt up until this point, though readily accepted the demonstation as the "clincher" in the deal. Our hopes and dreams were already engaged by this point and more than anything else, myself included were happy to negate the fact that there was little convincing about this grand finale presentation that had us/me totally taken in. I was more than ready to run off to the workshop and begin tweaking my toys, until i gave myself leave to re-examine the facts provided.
Having created some doubt in your mind. He now needs to create a set of statements that you agree with. This is what the above is doing. Sales men use this all the time to create rapport. They get you to agree to 4 or 5 things in a row and then try to sell you their conclusion. Again it's a logical fallacy. If A,B,C and D are true therefore my conclusion is true. In this case, what he is selling is 'DOUBT'. His whole post is about creating DOUBT in your mind.


I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined, however and I know you would agree they are most definitely not the source of the ascribed overunity and are only capable of rearranging the values in our standard equations and not capable of creating more output than input.

This highlight to me your understanding of electronics but not the capabilities of the Marks device.
This shows us for sure that this 'Dean' mannequin's purpose is to instill doubt.

He INCORRECTLY concluded, because he has not bothered to follow the threads that Penguin Hoods electronic diagrams were an attempt to recreate the Steven Mark device. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. But note how he has latched onto these diagrams to further promote his agenda of instilling doubt. We all know that Penguin Hoods diagrams were in responce to our need for a high voltage dc pulse generator with fast rise and fall times. Obviously this type of circuit is NOT going to be in patents because it is STANDARD ELECTRONICS. So why does
Dean say "I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined". THIS IS QUITE SIMPLY A LIE to dissuade the casual reader of this thread that we do not know what we are doing. Again he was trying to establish rapport by first complementing and then trivialising the circuits provided. Now lets examine the conclusion he is trying to sell...DOUBT.
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And this again shows us how we are lead along to believe as we take 80% factual information add it to the unknown,
Is this really a conclusion from what he just said ? NO NOT AT ALL. And his following statements show that all he wants to do is make more statements to instill doubt.

which could easily be given should Steven had not be so silly as to attribute his identity to the information and had just posted the information as someone who had just discovered it for themselves. Who is to say he posted  it under these circumstances ? unless ofcourse there is some need for recognition or self glorification?

Or .. its a hoax ?

And his final statement leaves us in no doubt what he was trying to achieve.
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The 'mannequin' having been outed, as a paid troll, will now respond by either:

a. Trawling through our posts, selectively picking subsets of information, to try and discredit people. The logical fallacy used will be along the line 'because this is wrong everything else is wrong'. Which is just another version of 'All cows have 4 legs, this table has 4 legs, therefore this table is a cow!!'.

b. Reappearing under a different username. So watch out for new users or users with the same create date as this 'mannequin' guy.

c. Personal attack, going along the ego, paranoid route. His reply to gnostic was of this nature.

d. Further postings trying to link this discussion with fringe 'alien conspiracies'. Again to try and establish these postings, as postings of 'nutters'. You'll notice he is now doing this already on his other posts.

e. Claim that I'm the troll.





Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Mica Busch on July 09, 2006, 04:10:58 PM
the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"
Ignorance.
This thread was started by Mannix, an ASSOCIATE of Mark's, and the word 'Master' appears only in the title, nowhere in the original post or quoted letter. The title is obviously a note of enthusiasm and respect for Mr. Mark's understanding of electromagnetic phenomena, which would ellicit the idea that he is a 'Master' of such, because of what he has done with that understanding. Much like a chess master being able to beat any 'newbies'. Mannix is simply excited about what has been discovered. Proxy? Yes. I believe he explained why he does not post directly.

Anyways, I commend the contributors to this thread and I follow it closely, good work!
It is exciting to see the equations take shape behind the results ;)

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 09, 2006, 06:27:56 PM
I've highlighted below the techniques this 'Dean' person is using to instill doubt.

He will attempt to draw us into further discussions, under the guise of wanting 'to believe' or 'prove it to me' to waste time and also so he can use the pattern of selecting a subset of information, making a logical fallacy, and drawing a conclusion that instills doubt.

I suggest any further posts we simply reply by pointing back to this posting
which clearly demonstrates his modus operandi.

The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.

Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example.
He quotes a small subset of the information available on all the videos/forum.
He then states as fact that only a subset of the information he has given is the only credible information.
He then goes on to show how his ONE example could be faked. And then draws the INCORRECT conclusion that if you doubt the TV example, you should seriously consider that you are being decieved. He is doing the logical equivalent of "All fish live underwater therefore everything underwater must be a fish.". He fails to mention the video demonstration of the flame like discharge from the large coil.

The flame discharge showing vaporisation of metal with intense white arcing light requires HIGH FREQUENCY, HIGH VOLTAGE and HIGH CURRENT. This is a FACT. This clearly indicates that HIGH POWER is available.

You forgot his most glaring issue. The fact he says that those lights or the handi vac or drill could easily be powered by batteries for such a short period of time.

Please find me an array of batteries that small that could power those devices. I encourage you to find me an array of batteries that could power even one of those lightbulbs that would fit in such a small package as the tpu model he is demonstrating there. You obviously have NO experience with electronics or power requirements for AC powered electrical devices. You hear that loud raspy wind when he's running the drill? Those are it's brushes. This has a powerful AC motor in it. It's not like a makita 18 volt cordless. Theres much more power in it. Lets not forget the TV was running the whole time. While the drill was running, and while the vac was running. And the light bulbs, each of those was at the minimum 15 watts.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 09, 2006, 07:34:59 PM
The doubt will persist until a successful replication is made of the TPU device or something like it.  It is only natural and to be expected.  I would suggest that concentration on the technical aspects of replication of the TPU along with experimentation will further the cause and bring us closer to an answer, more than speculations of whether we believe it or not.   
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 10, 2006, 03:47:01 AM
Hey Lindsay, how goes the battle?

Good to hear from you again. I thought perhaps we'd lost you to history.

As far as the switching, your probably right, we might need to use tubes to start with, until we can find the frequencies we need to work with. If we can find the frequencies with a function generator, we can then trim the coils to resonate naturally at those frequencies. I'm thinking this will be the thing that kills us.. We could literally test frequencies for the rest of our lives before finding even one of them. This is much more difficult than safe cracking. Do you have any ideas where we should start? Have we hit on any of the correct frequencies in our research thus far?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 10, 2006, 06:58:51 AM
Okay Lets just skip the options a,b,c... etc  and accept we are all feeing pain in this.

Given the premises put forward as to my understanding of this device, and should I have made an attempt myself to replicate the device with a small degree of success, ie. I am not powering my househld from it. How would I go about proving or disproving that I have suceeded or failed and am not just living too close to a powerful emf source?

Assuming by this point in time you all dont think i am a pot smoking no brain, detractor with an IQ of 130 and no ambition.

What is the testing/validation framework?

Because I dont buy giving an example of two large lamp bases with more than enough room to fit a small  car battery within them, taking this beyond a hobbyist experiment and as a professional excersise how do I proceed?

Should I prepare some kind of shielding from external sources similar to a faraday cage etc..?

Can I extend one more idea (unqualified ofcourse) from my own attempts, that is that if this engery is derived from quantum fluctuations, then the switching mechanism you are pursuing may be inherent in the materials used and the mass ratios (often prescribed to be 1:1) within the components and therefor I am contemplating that a switching unit of the calibre being pursued may either not be in existence or may be just out of reach (present tech).

So thinking outside of the box here ..

a) is the switch inherent in the design/balance of components
b) or a new innovation such as described below

I do remember reviewing a presentation regarding silicon magnetic switching to be developed for new microprocessors, similar to hard disk data technology yet a lot smaller.   

The gates are made from a new compound derived from believe it or not some black sludge/dust byproduct of gold mining that has the amazing ability to be able to magnetise and demagnetise at extremely short intervals. This is not some fanciful idea, given time i am sure i can relocate the video and its a presentation made by a reputable physicist at a reputable forum.


Regards

Dean McGowan

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 10, 2006, 08:01:36 AM
Another more natural way of creating the switching may be simply inducing a feedback loop in the circuit that has a natural phase cancellation thus opening and closing the loop allowing for the natural capacitance and voltage multiplication to self regulate. I thought this made sense when considering the system based on longitudinal waveforms. This diagram is crude but let me know what you think?

I have 2 small ring magnets wound seperately using a single steel wire and an iron core wound with copper wire.

The mass of the 2 seperate circuits is the same and I have brought into contact a small neodymium magnet to the copper wound iron core. Results .. inconclusive, too small a scale to make any validatable observations, though It did seem to be totally ineffective when the device was not in the upright position.

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   |\|                         load
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This is my interpretation of the system however I have deviated from the Steven Marks device as I considered that the copper winding is around the outside of the circuit, however this may only be an issue of semantics.

I put this forward as I am of the opinion that efforts may be being made on non essential components as often included/excluded in demonstrations and patents for such devices. I also accept this may be an over simplification of the device.


Regards,

Dean McGowan
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 10, 2006, 04:47:38 PM
Awesome! welcome aboard Dean. BTW 130 is a bit above average 140 is borderline genius and Einstein is thought to have been somewhere in the 160s.

It seems to me that although ambitous, and perhaps oversimplified, you have attempted to start running before you have started walking. Our first goal is to find kicks and the correct frequencies. Using a spark gap before the coils is probably sufficient in your current set up to get a good rise time in your iron windings to be able to measure kicks. This should also create an elongated induction time in your secondaries as the relax times of the iron windings will be slow.

Once you see kicks, the small(time) but large(power) spikes that occur we have a start. This would be crawling.

As far as what is critical and what is not, the only part of the control circuitry that is critical is the switching. Everything else is, I'm assuming for pulsing the coils. The coil arrangement is critical, and we are relatively sure we have a grip on that. Tao and I have posted some information related to the arrangement of the coils, if you haven't already seen it. I can send you our information that led us to that conclusion if mannix doesn't mind, if you are seriously interested in participating. Although we had a bumpy start, this is productive.

We won't win the boston marathon any time soon, but unfortunately, we don't have the full body of information to work with.

We CAN learn something however. Something we can use toward the final product.

Understand Dean, that we fully realize that we may never get there. However, we are willing to give it a shot, and follow these leads as they may take us to unexpected places, and these concepts DO have merit.

Regards,
Gn0stik.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 10, 2006, 07:55:18 PM
I'm new to this forum but much read on Bedini devices.

The Bedini / Wagner type energisers in self oscillation mode when matched to their collection coils (Trifilar wound air coil) can drive various loads with an AC or rectified  to DC output. I have recently driven a UK 240v / 60W light bulb on a fully charged 12V pack of high quality / high capacity NICAD batteries for a considerable time in excess of the longest Steven Mark demo which was about 15mins. To be honest, I did not get the bulb to full brightness but this is because I just need to find the right coil configuration which is where I think a good deal of experimentation is required. Its basically a very simple minimum component inverter where the frequency can be altered to tune the system to lowest current and highest lamp brightness.

Its interesting to note that I found that a frequency of around 6KHz gave best power transfer on my simple test coil and of course is above audio range, so the device runs very quiet. I estimate that current draw for full brightness will be well under 10 Amps which can be delivered for the demo period from a small set of batteries that could be hidden within the toroid air coil. My energiser did get very hot on its rather small heatsink, so I'm not surprised that Steven kept checking his device during the demo.

I am not trying to discredit Stevens device, just point out that I think from my simple experiment that contrary to what comes across in the video, it is quite possible to run a 120V light bulb from a small set of quality batteries of the right type.

Hoppy
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 10, 2006, 09:37:25 PM
When choosing high voltage capacitors, you'll want capacitors that will take the stress of very high voltage rise times.

Check out Polypropylene capacitors. The bright yellow packaging is typical of HV polypropylene capacitors.
These can also be seen in one of the videos of the larger TPU.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/71285.pdf
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 11, 2006, 02:01:22 AM
I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 11, 2006, 02:20:42 AM
Another simple observation, and it is often good to remind ourselves of the obvious, is that the only thing that tends to improve the resulting output is scale of the device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 11, 2006, 05:55:56 AM
I thought I would post a link to this video and image from my lab.
Tesla is right, the capacitor does make a difference in the longitudal waves down the coil from the violent blast. The better I can get the cap to charge and release creating a bigger snap the better the strobe light lights. Here is an image of the setup http://cmnet.ca/projects/maggap.jpg. Here is a video applying violent shocks to 6 raps of house wire. The right side coil is connected to the strobe light. http://cmnet.ca/projects/hvt1.avi.

Camster    


When I test the circuit without a capacitor, the spark gap will jump the full distance of the electrodes when the electrodes are at their widest. The strobe light will not light and using a milliamp meter on a separate coil, which is held close to the base of the heavy coil, shows 0 ma. With 2 .05 microfarad 1kv cap in series from a 1940’s radio, the distance between the electrodes has to be about 1-2 mm to get a white spark. The strobe light lights and the amp meter shows .05 ma. As well I used a coil connected to my oscilloscope, placed at 90 deg to the setup coil and could read a 9-10 volt ac wave. I believe with this experiment I may understand what Peter Lindermann described in his presentation with regards to some of Tesla’s work in conduction with Hertz. “Slapping the water with a hand.” One other note: The positive side of the thick coil showed much less to no action but the negative side is where I took the above values. Disconnecting one wire from the strobe light, I could get a 3mm spark that would seem to go into wood, the ends of capacitors  and the end of my finger from that wire with out any shocking affect <such fun :)>.  So perhaps the higher readings with the capacitor was do to the capacitor being a capacitor and holding back until it has some amps behind it sending more amps into the main coil and producing a higher voltage to light the strobe. ???? The pulses were timmed the same.  

Camster

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 11, 2006, 03:03:29 PM
Quote
author=dean_mcgowan
I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan

What a load of crap.

Capacitance, inductance and resistance are present in all wires to varying degrees.
By this very fact capacitors, coils and resistors are ANALOG to suggest otherwise is tripe. DIGITAL my arse.
It is the infinite non-step like features of analog circuits that make them so suitable for the task at hand.
One of the reasons why eletron tubes would be far more suitable because they allow far more harmonics to progress around an analog circuit.

You may be able to tune your coils to a particular resonant frequency without an additional capacitor but this doesn't mean there is no capacitance in your circuit. Capacitance introduced by your choice of insulation between layers; distance apart of the turns; diameter of wire; size of coil; choice of former; tension on the wire; precision in winding etc.

It's already well understood that fast rise and fall times along with short impulse times coupled with a circuit that never allows reversal of current (diode operation) are required to generate radiant energy. It is more than clear from Tao's work and confirmation from Steven Mark that this is the direction to take.

A spark gap is a good initial choice because it has the attributes of incredibly fast rise time and fall time, and provides a high voltage diode action, and a switching action. By definition if voltage could be applied instantly to the wire the harmonics would continue on into infinity. High voltage capacitors by definition are able to present large amounts of charge to a wire via an appropriate switch.

It is precisely these very high frequency harmonics that we are after in our coil circuits as it is the interaction of these frequencies that can then be observed and deductions made on the right combination of frequencies to use to achieve the desired result.

You'll note from the comments by Lindsay Mannix that they are looking for appropriate switching mechanisms. Fast rise times are not the problem. It's the fast fall times that is the issue. MOSFETS only go to around 1500V. IGBTs go to much higher voltages but have much lower switching times because their trailing edge keeps going - the current doesn't shut off smoothly.

Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.






Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 11, 2006, 08:43:25 PM
to anyone trying to access my site, i'm changing providers and getting a full refund. sorry for being off topic, but this is the 3rd time it's been down in 3 days. I'm not staying with them. it's rediculous. All I need is a full backup out of them, when I can get back in via ftp and then I'm cancelling. rediculous.

no time to read now. later...

Gn0stik.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 11, 2006, 08:54:34 PM
Quote
author=dean_mcgowan
I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan

What a load of crap.


Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.

Seeing as how he has dropped the negative, I kinda think we should give him a chance. After all he was asking for input on his circuit. And you did give him some which if he tried really hard could take as constructive criticism, and use your input. At least he's winding coils.

I can't say as much.. I've been too damn busy with life to get the right equipment. So there's really no use in me winding coils, as I could not measure the results anyway.

Dean does seem to be a genuine fan of free energy according to his msn profile.

Or maybe your right, perhaps he just likes messing with people's heads.

Dean? What's your motive here?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 12, 2006, 04:42:20 AM
I don't really want to keep defending myself here .. there is no other motive than to participate, I am sorry if you interpret it as anything other than that. If my level of understanding is incomplete or off the beaten track then just ignore the post, however i would prefer clear information as you have been good enough to offer. I have consumed a lot of information over the years now and I am not exaggerating, I have read many technical articles and many esoteric articles and I am attempting to take a wholistic approach to the matter. Ok I can see how it may infuriate you that i may not be smack on with conventional terminology, and I also dont see myself as Kosol device devoutee either. I am not an expert in any particular field, though neither were tesla or any other innovators. What i do have a very good track record on is trend perception and preciptence. I have a very good knack for finding needles in the haystack. Call me lucky. I am purely putting effort in and expressing my thoughts.

I do understand what capacitance is and what diodes and resistors do within a circuit. I also understand that much of the community is at odds with the roles they play using differring interpretations of electricity. I dont argue that quotes such as splitting the negative or the true direction of electrical flow are either correct or incorrect.

There is no hidden agenda here, please accept that as the truth.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 12, 2006, 04:57:06 AM
I dont think i tried to say that there was no capacitance, I think i stated that there is inherently a natural capacitor built into the system and that that should be enough and more likely to be much faster at switching (maybe under the right phase conditions) and that it is more a matter of tuning the mass and frequency within the system. The digital analog analogy was maybe a poor way to illustrate what i was trying to communicate. I think what i really meant was that there are features/qualities in a valve that get lost onces translated into digital equivalents and taking a step back, that there is a natural capacitor within the circuit that we may be ignoring and not making use off as we see a more tangible result using a contructed one.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 12, 2006, 05:40:32 AM
Here is a valid question.

How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?

My thoughts were that environmental conditions would make this a highly unrealiable or repeatable factor in the system. I did not try to negate its purpose within the system. Though having thought about this from a quantum point of view, lets say that this too is already happening when taking the example of the hydrogen atom and how the electron state is described when it seemingly disappears and manifests as 2 seperate spin quarks one acheving a higher state of energy level and the other a lower state. Maybe the waterfall type flow/effect that we are attempting to initiate here using the spark could be inherent as well.

Does a river flow because we decide to push water down the hill or force the water up into the clouds to be taken to the mountain reservoir, or do we simply place a water wheel in the river ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 12, 2006, 06:13:05 AM
This is an interesting sub-harmonic effect:

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/060706_violin.htm


Yes, Great article.

Can certainly see how it applies to this forum. I was kind of thinking in these terms when discussing swtiching etc and how anomolous effect can be created within a finely tuned system. Take for example that plucking the string essentially creates the most obvious effect of setting in motion a simple wave though as described in the artice she gently applies pressure to a harmonic point on the string(enough pressure to allow the initial wave to continue to propogate and the secondary wave or harmonic as they describe to be added) hence causing the anomolous third effect of the subharmonic to become apparent through phase cancellation/conjugation. This waves shape may not sound like any particular instrument either i suspect.  It would be very interesting to if we could find the total input and output energy values as well.. she may just be a human zpe machine .. hehehe :P
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on July 12, 2006, 09:19:52 AM
Hi all,

Links to explain maybe how Tesla, Moray and Mark get the power gain.

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm

Aspden proposes energy gain from concentric capacitor.  Mark TPU has similar form.
Capacitor plates could be on inside and outside edges?

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.html

This second link of his notes explains anomalous gain of power when concentric capacitor is negatively pulsed on the discharge cycle.  read all of the notes as different explanations are given that may strike a chord within and give us a clue on how to design our own device.

Here are some quotes:

Now, in this brief note, which I admit I present as possibly only of passing interest, I only wish to draw attention to a feature of the Piggin thesis that I find curious as it may have some bearing upon the claim I am making in presenting that BERLIN LECTURE. Remember that in that Lecture I am suggesting that the aether can import energy anomalously into a concentric cylindrical capacitor. Critics will ask for evidence in support, so I feel obliged to point to anything that can help in this quest.

So all I intend to present here is a copy of page 105 from Dr. Piggin's thesis, which introduces his Fig. 49, and couple this with a quotation concerning that Fig. 49 that appears on page 100 of the thesis. I leave others who may read this to infer what they may, but say further that in his experiment Piggin applies an electrical pulse to charge the capacitor and follows this by an opposite polarity pulse to force its rapid discharge, after which, for some mysterious reason, that capacitor begins to recharge of its own accord. Can the inertial energy of the aether that I discuss in the BERLIN LECTURE be feeding in by a sub-microsecond delay?
*******
To put this in perspective, if this capacitor energy escalation theme is a valid proposition, one can begin to contemplate a practical application based on the above 50 kW power output from a pair of 1 nanofarad capacitors. Such a capacitor using air as dielectric would need an electrode separation of the order of 1 cm to withstand the 25,000 volt charge. If it were to comprise two concentric cylinders, one having an internal diameter of 20 cm and the other an external diameter of 19 cm, and an overall length of 50 cm, then its capacitance would be 2.2 nanofarad and two such capacitors would only take up a fraction of the space assigned to the engine compartment of an ordinary automobile. Yet the potential power rating, based on that 2.2 nanofarad value would be in excess of 100 kW, which is an acceptable level for such an application. The equipment needed to generate a 25 kV capacitor priming voltage, taken together with a standard electrical car battery to feed in the initial charge of the capacitors plus the inductor/transformer units which form the resonant circuit and provide a lower voltage transformer output need be no larger in volume than the capacitors. One is then left with the need for an electric motor that can provide the mechanical drive for the automobile, this being standard technology but the greater weight factor in terms of drive power generated and so the primary design criterion that could limit vehicle performance.

One can, however, be sure that if the new technology implied can meet the requirements of powering an automobile, it can be even more advantageous in large scale electric power generation for domestic and industrial use as well as in ship propulsion.

Accordingly, the scientific principle involved warrants the necessary research to verify or disprove what is suggested and, if viable, ascertain such criteria as may impose limitations on performance.

[H. ASPDEN: 17th March 2002]

Maybe this is a piece of the puzzle and how these devices work?

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 12, 2006, 05:14:13 PM
Just a thought to consider here. If according to the experiments performed in this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&q=tesla Tesla was working with longitudinal waves not transverse waves which to me means that the current form of induction or coupling in a standard transformer only applies to the well known transverse wave. A little more on the waves: http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html. If we study the new transformer Tesla spoke of you will notice that the design is opposite to that of a standard transformer in that it is loosely coupled and the secondary coil is one wire in width but tall. The experiments I did last night involved using an air core coil to sniff or feel around the thick primary coil. <see cmnet.ca/projects under high voltage for the test apparatus  > What I found was when the coil was parallel or inline to the core as with standard transformers, I could sense ~ .02 ma, if the coil was at a 90 degrees to the core a reading of .5 ma was shown. Adjusting the spark gap from a crackling sound to a hissing sound showed up to 1ma. “I know its not much but it’s far more than that produced with a regular spark and if the spark gap is closed there is nothing.”  As well the core is wrapped with finner gauge wire one width of wire except at the far right end where I rapped back a few mm. I found that there was arching between the raps. I thought about this all night and in my sleep I was wrapping coils in my dreams. My next experiment is to change the design of my primary <thick> coil to accommodate better propagation of longitudinal waves, more finding and studying of Tesla's new transformer. If anyone has a design in mind please share :) My thought is that we need to treat longitudinal waves different than those of our current understanding and that hitting the copper with a sudden jolt produces a wave but not the same wave as electrons traveling a rap of wire. 
By the way criticism is like a failed experiment you always come away with new knowledge.
 
Camster                  
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 12, 2006, 06:30:15 PM
Here is a valid question.

How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?

I don?t know if this question is for me but just so everyone knows my parameters I am using a 6 volt car coil driven by a 12v motorcycle battery that has a condenser to help protect the points, which is pulsed by using a small motor to spin a cam that operates a set of points <radio shack micro switch > The motor is driven by a hobby train power supply that allows me to change the speed that the SPDT micro switch is switched, the knob width of the cam sets the pulse on time in correlation to the speed of rotation. You ask why not use an npn transistor? Because the transistor can not provide a true on off pulse due to its inherent curve in base voltage over output, and I keep frying them. My coil is pulling +/- 1 amp at roughly +/- 7hz, very clean on off on a scope to the ms. The spark gap consists of 2 brass rods lathed to a point, I found both electrostatic and magnetic properties when using brass and only brass produced both. The wattage, well I haven?t begun to take those measurements until I see higher gain in the new Tesla transformer. But I think a static generator would be a better source, or if I could get that dynamo Tesla was using. But to prove the theory I will stick with my current source which produces the voltage type I need.

Camster       
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 12, 2006, 11:31:03 PM
What we need to remember here is that SM's device is not an "ether" device. Although ether may be involved somewhere, it gains it's power via a current gain by collecting and multiplying kicks. The kicks are identified by a mechanical jump caused by the induced magnetic field interacting with the earth's magnetic field(remember the page out of the book, and the jumper cables experiment, which I was able to do), as kicks occur in the bailing wire segments successively, and the current moves around the outside of the toroid, this mechanical force causes the gyroscopic effect, and rotating magnetic field, it is a MECHANICAL FORCE moving around the outside of the device, this is why it's bound together so tightly. It would likely unravel itself if it were not. As with any motion, it tends to like to stay in motion. This is also why you see the little tidbits of a conversation between Mannix and SM regarding using it as a motive drive system of some sort.

Quote from: SM
In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential use of the coil to provide motive force:
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.

If it were an ether device, it would have no heating problems. All accounts I've read of Tesla's and Gray's work, have indicated that it runs cool. To get back to some basics, and a clearer focus, perhaps we should go back and re-read some pre-page 45 stuff. As we tend to get off the known path after a while around here.

@Dean

I was not talking about using the spark gap for any kind of permanent mode of accomplishing anything in a finished device.
Just as a method of introducing a quick jump of current in wire with a sharp rise time, in order to measure kicks.
We can wind some coils to do this, or simply work with some wire.

A system that would use a spark gap as part of it's operation would be more related to a tesla device, or defenitely a Gray device, his conversion unit was a spark gap surrounded by a mesh, and a resistor on the other side of the gap. 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on July 13, 2006, 07:30:21 AM
Hi gnostik,

I assume the first part of your latest post was in response to my post about Aspden.
You missed the point completely.

Here is a scholarly work on how the power of the initial kicks is amplified, whether those kicks come from a magnet or the aether or whatever.
If you negatively pulse a discharging capacitor, it rebounds with gained energy from the aether, so the theory
says.

In all my reading, this is the first time this has been explained so eloquently and simple.  So, when it's time to experiment, instead of just pulsing  dc, you pulse with a positive and then a negative in time with the frequency of the circuit.  Maybe this is the control mechanism of the SM device.  By just varying the pulse width, you control gain.  It is interesting this Piggin paper was in 1983. about the same time SM started as I recall.

A self-resonate coil of wire would also be a cylinder capacitor and subject to Aspden's theory.  Although, later in his notes, he thinks parallel capacitors would also work.

I take issue with your statement that there is a mechanical force moving around the outside the device.  This implies mass and inertia.  What is going on is a cogging effect with the magnetic field of the earth and the rotating fields of the device.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 13, 2006, 04:39:27 PM
No I was not repsonding to you tish. You can take issue with it if you like, but go back and read, and re-read all of Mannix/SM's remarks and the hints they were dropping, you'll see these kicks definitely have a mechanical component.. The mechanical force is just an easy to see indicator. The gyroscopic effect that is demonstrated is the result of thousands of those "jumper cable" experiments on a small scale. Remember, they said your training will not help you with this, you will have to drop all your preconceptions. I agree with you to a degree that it's a "cogging effect", but not as you simply state it. If it's simply a cogging effect, we should be able to see the same reaction by tying a magnet to a string and swinging it over our heads. The fact is, without some kind of amplification, the earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to cause too much drag at all. Least of all no visible effects. Something else is happening here.

Something happens in ALL wire when current is suddenly sent down it. The book was simply explaining why filaments fail over a period of time. It was explaining that this kick causes micro fissures in the surface of the material which eventually causes it to break. Find a lightbulub with a loose filament, you know the little springy kind. Flash it really quick. Watch the filament, what does it do? Why do lightbulbs always burn out when you first turn them on?

Let's use some conventional analogies to talk about "electron" flow. When electrons flow down a wire is it a bunch of particles all freely zipping down there at the speed of light, completely unencumbered? Sure, for a very short time, after that, it's more like those little pendulum office toys where one ball hits a line of balls and the end ball shoots off to repeat the process. Wow, mass and Inertia! Is there not inertia there? Do electrons not have mass? But initially when they are all struggling to become ordered in that first short time frame (microsecond? picosecond?), they are all pushing and shoving like a bunch of highschool football players trying get a good place in the lunch line.

The kick always happens, in all wire, "when a current is first caused to flow" in it. SM has noticed, that something special is happening here. The earth's magnetic field should not be strong enough to cause this kind of interaction, but yet it does seem to. So why does a small magnetic field in a wire react so strongly to the earth's magnetic field?

This is all I'm focusing on, I was not responding specifically to you. Is the energy gain caused by ether? Perhaps. But that comes when the current is caused to stop flowing abruptly at the peak of the kick ;)

By the way, do you know what happens when current is cut off abruptly? Voltage increases to compensate. And it increases dramatically, in order to create it's own path. Is this the cause of his increase? Who knows. But a CURRENT component is needed to keep the kicks going. We do know that.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 13, 2006, 05:21:34 PM
Some updates on my experiments. As I posted before the same spark setup same kicks. This time I changed the configuration of the coil to document differences. Currently I am using a ferrite rod about 6” * ½“, one end wrapped 6 times with heavy gauge wire and the rest wrapped with finer mag wire. When the spark gap is firing just right not really sparking but hissing, very small gap with magnets very close to the gap, I get 1ma when I diode one side of the secondary an I can light a 9watt florescent light about 50%. When I point the copper wire at an electroscope the leaves separate, only when I point the wire at the electroscope pickup, not if I put the wire beside it. The compass moves back and forth with the pulses not just one way as in a typical electromagnet. When I remove the capacitors there is no effect regardless of how I set the spark gap. When I replace the core with a steel rod same dimensions there is nothing, no voltage nothing. Going back now to the ferrite core I wrapped another rap around the outside of my secondary coil. Get this, there was no increase in the output if I connected the 2 together to form a double rap coil, there was less ma. Also I noticed the second rap on my secondary almost seem to fight with the first rap of the secondary. From there I connected a small separate coil to my milliamp gauge and moved the coil from the edge of the primary to the end of the secondary. Amps were strong at the end closest to the primary and dropped off as I moved to the end of the secondary. I then used the same coil and connected it to my oscilloscope, the volts closet to the primary was 65 on an AC wave, the wave was at +- 2.6MHZ as I moved the coil towards the end of the secondary the volts rose to 110 the frequency remained. Tonight I want to change the secondary windings to a smaller gauge of wire to see what difference this makes. Conclusion: The amps seem to pile up at the primary side and the volts seem to increase latterly or down the length of the secondary. I know what you are thinking … but overlapping wraps on the secondary produce no better results and I noticed that when the secondary was double wrapped with tape between the layers there was arching between the layers. One more thing my high voltage coil is drawing 200ma but when the gap is just right and the secondary is producing max amps the input drops to about 175 ma.

Camster         
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on July 13, 2006, 05:47:08 PM
Hi cOmster,
it is hard to follow, what you are doing, if you post no schematics diagram of your circuit...
How much input power do you feed your circuit, when you can get the 9 Watts fluorescent bulb
to light about half of the full brightness ?
Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 13, 2006, 06:33:51 PM
Ok it's nothing fancy. But here is a fast drawing. The part after the HV coil is by Tesla's Specs.

Camster
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 13, 2006, 06:51:11 PM
Possible enhancement:  Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch.  It will provide a constant source of switching.  They work quite well into a standard power transformer.  (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit). 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 13, 2006, 07:12:45 PM
Possible enhancement:  Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch.  It will provide a constant source of switching.  They work quite well into a standard power transformer.  (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit). 


Ah yes I understand what you are saying. I did a lot of testing on that side of the circuit and found that using a cmos to drive the unit could not provide the sudden, violent drop to 0 in voltage. Now if a power oscillator or cmos setup is watched on the oscilloscope at high frequency there is a curve to the on off pulse. Seems no matter what I did, used a 555 timer circuit to drive it or my function generator in combo with a NPN Transistor, I always had a curve in the on off pulse going to the coil, capacitance I know. However using the switch gives a much better pulse with vertical lines and no capacitance. I think Tesla intended this circuit to be driven by a electrostatic generator. Wonder how long it would take me to build an electrostatic generator? I want to try other cores on this setup to see the results. I was surprised the steel rod did nothing. I wonder what copper will do??? 

Camster
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 13, 2006, 07:25:31 PM
Perhaps what you are looking for on the input side of the circuit is a small spark gap on the relay contacts as it opens up and closes?  A solid state circuit will not do that.  But a mechanical contact will...  How about a model T spark coil for input???  It uses a contact that vibrates and pulses the voltage into the coil mechanically. 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 13, 2006, 07:40:11 PM
Model T you say... I have to admit that is a little before my time. But you are dead on with the fact of the small spark gap on the switch. Know where I can get a set of model T points :) ? I guess you could say my switching device is modeled after a 70Â’s ford before electronic ignition.

Camster
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 13, 2006, 08:13:22 PM
This type of circuit should pulse the battery into the high voltage car coil.  You would have to 'play' around with the values of the resistor and cap. to vary the speed of the chatter of the relay. 

The relay should start with power on it, pulsing power to the car coil as well.  When contacts pull apart, it discontinues power to the car coil too.  (When the contacts are open on the relay, it disengages the relay coil power and then discontinues power to the car coil, except for the back emf).  This cycle repeats over and over.  The rate of charge on the cap determines the speed of the relay cycle rate.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on July 13, 2006, 08:51:08 PM
 Great idea, lets compare what I am doing verses your circuit. I attached a pic of my logic. What I was trying to achieve is to be able to adjust the frequency of the pulses with the rotation of the cam. I then need to adjust the frequency of the on time verses the off time which is the width of the gog  or cam lobe. I have found that a millisecond switch on time with a longer off time to allow oscillation in the vintage :) coil works the best. With modification to your circuit, I think I may be able to achieve this and allow me to adjust easer the timing device. But IÂ’m not to concerned right now with the input driver as I am seeing promising effects on the Tesla side of the circuit and want to concentrate on this side. I much appreciate yours and anyoneÂ’s input. It would be nice to find someone in my area who would want to do some serious Tesla experiments with me. Its takes so long to try each little thing, document it and wrap some more coils.

Camster
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Liberty on July 13, 2006, 09:17:04 PM
You are welcome to use the circuit if it will help you.  I just pulled it out of thought, it  is only one of many variations of that type of circuit that one oculd use.  It may not be as fast as the rotary setup that you have.  But it is simple and easy to use.  Kind of a thow back to the time of Mr. Tesla.  :) 

I hope you have much more good success with your circuit.

Liberty 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on July 14, 2006, 12:51:57 PM
Hi all,

Links to explain maybe how Tesla, Moray and Mark get the power gain.

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm

Aspden proposes energy gain from concentric capacitor.  Mark TPU has similar form.
Capacitor plates could be on inside and outside edges?

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.html


Well i have had some time to read and digest these links and it realy seems to reinforce the general narrative so far, including the most recent posts, synchonisity at its finest.

Thankyou again for sharing these with us all.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 14, 2006, 06:27:44 PM
I have been studying the videos very carefully and finding them more impressive every time run them. However, I have one observation that I'm hoping someone else can shed some light on. Why do the two decorative floor standing lamps, when operated from the wall socket, initially glow very brightly when switched-on and then dim down? This does not seem consistent with what should happen with a normal tungsten lamp when operated on a normal mains supply. The same effect can be seen when they are plugged into the device, although the first lamp is off camera at the moment it is switched on. I have not noticed this effect on the other deomos.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: MrMag on July 14, 2006, 09:16:20 PM
Not sure, but could it maybe be the camera iris adjusting to the additional light??
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 14, 2006, 09:32:09 PM
Not sure, but could it maybe be the camera iris adjusting to the additional light??

Maybe but why don't we see the same effect on any of the other videos?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 15, 2006, 05:32:13 AM
I didn't like that video for the specific reason it could be dismissed too easily by the skeptics. I prefer some of the others myself. So I never really paid that much attention to it. I didn't even focus on the dimming effect, I focused on the base of the lamps.

the video where he shows the plain old utility sockets connected to the board with ten bulbs, to me is far more impressive because you know there can't possibly be any hidden power source... no base. See what I mean?

Not that I think the video is invalid or anything like that, just not much use in a debate against disbelievers.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on July 15, 2006, 06:46:27 AM
Hmm, I wonder why Steven Mark has no interest to become the biggest inventor
of the 21st century...
If you look at all the things Tesla has done 100 years ago,
Steven Mark would also be the biggest electrical inventor,
if he comes forward with his invention and does not hide anymore...

If you watch the Video about Tesla,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2256433507046558974

Steven Mark could be
the same for our time frame, but it seems he has choosen
not to get famous and rememberedin history... at least not in
the wider public...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 15, 2006, 09:07:34 AM
I didn't like that video for the specific reason it could be dismissed too easily by the skeptics. I prefer some of the others myself. So I never really paid that much attention to it. I didn't even focus on the dimming effect, I focused on the base of the lamps.

the video where he shows the plain old utility sockets connected to the board with ten bulbs, to me is far more impressive because you know there can't possibly be any hidden power source... no base. See what I mean?

Not that I think the video is invalid or anything like that, just not much use in a debate against disbelievers.

The colour of  light from the bulbs is also interesting. I agree that the other videos look much more convincing but why did Steven leave himself so open to question with the 'floor lamp' video??

I want to believe in this as much as everyone else but we all need to be very aware of how easy it is to trick the eye. You only have to look at TV programmes featuring our best magicians to understand this.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: HMM on July 15, 2006, 01:32:01 PM
Hello,

Any body trying vacuum tubes?
 I have some tubes from www.tubesandmore.com  and I plan on building a Dynatron or a Transitron Oscillator
which works in the negative resistance region.  I want to find self oscillation in a tank circuit. I belive this is a Key to the TPU.
army_theory.pdf under oscillators
here: http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm
 
Mike
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 16, 2006, 05:53:12 PM
At 21.55/57.05 on the video counter, why does the guy testing the large device walk over to the camera man forcibly push the camera down to point at the lamps and edge of table and what do you see hanging down below the table under the fifth lamp from the RHS?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: woidbam on July 16, 2006, 08:41:24 PM
Hello,

another Theory about Magnetism.
Magnetism
Alternate Energy Research
Pages Presented by David Lowrance

http://magnetism.fateback.com/

bye
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: koostos on July 17, 2006, 10:40:28 AM
Has anyone seen this http://www.nutech2000.com/prod136.htm (http://www.nutech2000.com/prod136.htm)
or has a copy of the video ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2006, 10:12:37 PM
Does anyone know why the Steven Mark videos have disapeared from: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid  ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: joule on July 21, 2006, 10:36:32 PM
Let me guess;

1) It will be said the MIB's shut them down :'(

2) We were told by the legal team to remove the material 8)

3) To much traffic and we are trying to resolve the issue so everyone can view ???

4) Thing don't work????  ;D
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 21, 2006, 10:58:40 PM
Or perhaps its because we can see the strings attached ;)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Nali2001 on July 21, 2006, 11:56:53 PM
http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=Steven+Mark+  ;)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 23, 2006, 10:36:24 AM
Thanks for the link Nali 2001.

Take a look at video 2 at 00:19:02 to 04 on the run counter where he moves the device to a different area of the room to demo that it can work 'off bench' so to speak. After illuminating the light bulb why does he appear to be removing something from each of the device terminals before returning it to the demo table?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mark australia on July 23, 2006, 12:05:11 PM
I do not wish to upset proceedings but has anyone come closer to what SM had built.
Also has anyone tried to contact the patent owner mentioned who might be willing to come forward. He lives in Asia.
I am not being negative but dont feel like going back through 129 pages of posts. I did post one re SM background which was removed and I guess it was wrong of me at the time to put anything negative about his past or some of the others he was associated with.
Kind Regards
Mark.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mkt3920 on July 24, 2006, 05:00:25 PM
Question for Mannix.

In reference to the post that begins: "One day in a land under the noses of all the kings there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king.", was this your interpretation of what was happening within the device or was the story from Steven?  Thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 25, 2006, 06:58:54 PM
There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 27, 2006, 04:48:29 PM
There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.


I do not see any similarities other than there being a toroidal coil.

What parallels are you drawing between the two devices ?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on July 27, 2006, 08:18:15 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 28, 2006, 10:05:39 PM
Quote
There are some clever people posting here but I think that you should try to base your comments on your research or the research of others in order to keep it real.  Here is some research I have done based on certain authoritative sources.

I'm sure we can really make some progress by studying reports on reverse engineering of UFO's and other UFO related authoritative documents. Is it possible that Steven has been directly involved in this field??
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 28, 2006, 11:02:31 PM
There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.


I do not see any similarities other than there being a toroidal coil.

What parallels are you drawing between the two devices ?

For one thing - the use of an iron tip on the conical coil form.  There has been discussion here about *why* iron wire was used.  This "patent application" explains the use of the iron.

The next thing I see is that the device described at that link uses a shifting magnetic field.  Speculation here is that the Marks device uses a rotating field... hence the gyroscopic effect.
"Toroidal fields" sucking ZPE (as postulated by some) seem less likely than simply using the shifting field to create a current in a collector coil via inductance.

Also... the power input is tuned to the natural harmonics of the total device to spike the output.  This is more evidence that the same processes are at work with the Marks device - though it's obviously tuned to the power generated by the approaching magnet.

In general... what this link describes is a device that moves a magnetic field without motion and creates current.  That is certainly what Marks has developed... if not in the same configuration, it's still likely that it's the same process.

The device described at that link seems like more than bullshit to me... if only for the descriptions of how magnets really work.  The inventor is in line with Leedskalnin... and Leedskalnin provides simple experiments to prove his theories.

This device is not a duplicate of the Marks device.  But - I believe that the technology described there, may help in understanding what is happening with the Marks device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mkt3920 on July 29, 2006, 01:41:15 AM
Please refer to the pdf file of the Patent Application for their Solid State Energy Generator (toroid, coils, magnets) from this news release (yesterday) from Magnetic Power Inc.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 29, 2006, 06:26:59 PM
Welcome back bob and tao. Long time... I haven't been posting much either, as I've been trying to get my own site up.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on July 29, 2006, 09:05:16 PM
Thanks Tao.

We should also mention that JackH's valve... and the flynn parallel path... are proof that a small amount of energy at the right resonance can get you more than you might figure out of a magnet.

I think it's also related to the spike associated with resonate LC circuits.

 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: bob.diroto on July 29, 2006, 10:00:20 PM
Please refer to the pdf file of the Patent Application for their Solid State Energy Generator (toroid, coils, magnets) from this news release (yesterday) from Magnetic Power Inc.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html

Many thanks for this information. Have downloaded the PDF of the patent. I can't fault the logic/theory anywhere. To make a practical device there will need to be more flux linkage. i.e. More radial wires through the cores either through larger gauge wire or more holes. I suspect there is a fine balance between having enough magnetic material around the radial wires and having enough copper to tap into the flux linkage efficiently.

But this is only an issue for people like us reading the patent wanting to try to replicate a working device!! They obviously have a commercial working version of this device.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 30, 2006, 10:47:22 AM
This is an interesting patent. However, no mention is made of the I/P to O/P power ratio, so this will need to be established with replication. Stevens device presumably differs from this to some extent as according to his statements, he does not use a battery or power supply to provide input power. I agree with Bob that a lot more flux linkage would be needed to make a practical device.

For replication / proof of concept purposes, instead of having to obtain suitable drilled magnets, how about each magnet comprising of two  magnets placed in magnetic allignment on each side of the 'collection' wire loop?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: mark australia on July 30, 2006, 12:29:53 PM
Bob,
At this tage they do not have a working prototype giving out continuoes power. They will need to build one to complete the patent process, and they are confident they will. But at this stage your assumption is incorrect.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on July 31, 2006, 06:29:18 AM
This is an interesting patent. However, no mention is made of the I/P to O/P power ratio, so this will need to be established with replication. Stevens device presumably differs from this to some extent as according to his statements, he does not use a battery or power supply to provide input power. I agree with Bob that a lot more flux linkage would be needed to make a practical device.

hmm, I've read every single post regarding the Steven Mark device on this forum, and I don't think I've ever read that he said he doesn't use any batteries. However, he doesn't say that he does either. Since his smallest device puts out 300 Watts and the largest puts out 1KW approximately, it's pretty safe to assume he doesn't use a battery that can provide the power it generates, if he did, the battery itself would be a device worthy of a Nobel Prize. Could you please provide a quote?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Hoppy on July 31, 2006, 11:34:53 AM
Quote
hmm, I've read every single post regarding the Steven Mark device on this forum, and I don't think I've ever read that he said he doesn't use any batteries. However, he doesn't say that he does either. Since his smallest device puts out 300 Watts and the largest puts out 1KW approximately, it's pretty safe to assume he doesn't use a battery that can provide the power it generates, if he did, the battery itself would be a device worthy of a Nobel Prize. Could you please provide a quote?


I fully appreciate that Steven has not confirmed whether or not he uses batteries at all in his device. My presumption that the new patent was not the same as Stevens device is based on my view that the new device needs continuous input power to drive the resonant circuit and that this level of power is not available from any battery that Steven could 'hide' within his device, especially the 300W and intermediate model. I apologise if my post was misleading.

I do not understand why Steven should avoid confirming whether any battery is used, given that IMO his device would be more credible if a battery was required. As you will be aware from my previous posts, I have studied the video evidence very carefully and am not impressed with what I have seen.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on August 01, 2006, 12:05:49 AM
This seems nothing like the Steven Mark device to me. Not that it isn't valuable in it's own rite, just not all that relevent. This works nothing like what Steven has described of his device. No kicks, no earth's magnetic field.

It is a resonant LC that utilizes magnetism sure enough, but not the TPU.

It is however, very interesting, and deserving of it's very own thread.

Regards,
Gn0stik.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on August 02, 2006, 11:27:13 AM
@Nostradam
looking forward for your diagrams.
Many thanks.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on August 02, 2006, 05:36:24 PM
I'm thinking about , and i don't understand something - why SM devices are using power of earth magnetic field ? I think that field of any permanent magnet is much more greater  ??? or there is important some fluctuations of magnetic field ? i wonder if these weak fluctuations can produce so much energy ? It seems that Steven Mark self not fully understand the nature of that things, he says in video "we can't explain why the device is stopped when turning upside down" ...
Maybe he means by "KICKS" these many many fluctations in period of time ? ::)

And if we imagine ... in some day there are millions or milliards of people using these devices, what will happen with earht magnetic field ? maybe that will disappear ? :o

The magnetic field is resonating at 7.4hz(estimated).  It cannot be "used up" anymore than a magnet can be "used up" by passing a coil through it's field.


Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: woidbam on August 02, 2006, 06:12:56 PM
The magnetic field is resonating at 7.4hz(estimated). 

Estimated!

I know it is a crazy contribution. But look here:

http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=1&t=2559

"so by 2006 june the 6 at 6.18 pm california time the earth heart beat will jump from a 12.999 cycle per secound to a 13 hzr or cycle persecound"

Esoteriks?

Bye
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on August 03, 2006, 02:37:52 AM
With all due respect... your being such an ass is part of the reason some people question the validity of the device.

For the record - I know everytime I see lightning strike that "mankind" has no idea what electricity is... and that there is obviously (nearly) unlimited potential energy in the atmosphere.  I'm also sure that some have understood it in the past, that some do now, and that others will in the future.

I am willing to accept the marks videos for what they appear to be... and I do not dismiss his claims of overunity.

But your attitude towards anyone who dares comes within a mile of questioning this device is uncalled for and downright RUDE.
You say that "doubters" serve no purpose except to clutter the thread... well, you sir are the pot calling the kettle black.

Instead of posting a page of nonsense attacking people... why don't you post ONE coherent post detailing what you know about the way the device works??  WITHOUT using metaphors and parables.
Can you do that? ???
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Elvis Oswald on August 03, 2006, 05:49:48 AM
thank you. :)

A moving magnetic field in a solid-state device - meaning no moving parts.  Sort of like the JackH valve, the parallel path, and the fluxite device... except the initial power comes from the permanent magnet approaching the device.

I realize that all of these devices are different - but the underlying principles are the same... you think?

And seriously, thanks for being polite.  We're all after the same thing.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Jdo300 on August 07, 2006, 09:25:30 AM
Hello Everyone,

Here is some information that may give us insight into the interesting gyroscopic effect that the device has. I found this PowerPoint presentation from www.americanantigravity.com and it talks about how ferrous materials like mu-metal wire (or Iron) can have strong anti-gravity effects simply by passing an ELF signal through the windings! It is very short, simple, and to the point; definitely worth a look.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/DeAquino-Comprehensive-Gravity-Control.pdf

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on August 08, 2006, 12:15:21 PM
Hi all,

I finally found a reference I had lost.  Here are some quotes.

http://www.rexresearch.com/newman/newman.htm

     "My interpretation of Newman's original idea for his motor is as follows. As a thought experiment, suppose one made a coil consisting of 186,000 miles of wire. An electrical field would require one second to travel the length of the wire, or in Newman's language, it would take one second for gyrotons inserted at one end of the wire to reach the other end. Now suppose that the polarity of the applied voltage was switched before the one second has elapsed, and this polarity switching was repeated with a period less than one second. Gyrotons would become trapped in the wire, as their number increased, so would the alignment of electrons and the number of gyrotons in the magnetic field increase. The intensified magnetic field could be used to do work on an external magnet, while the input current to the coil would be small or non-existant. Newman's motors contain up to 55 miles of wire, and the voltage is rapidly switched as the magnet rotates. He elaborates upon his theory in his book, and uses it to interpret a variety of physical phenomena."

Newman theorized atoms gave up some of their mass, so, it would also relate to the recent antigravity post.


     " His greatest technical problem has been high voltage switching".

Sounds also like Steven Mark quote.

If someone could come up with Joseph Newman's book THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN, there might be additional clues.

Description of Newman Motors ---

Newman's motors may be described as two-pole, single phase, permanent magnet armature, DC motors. That is, the armature consists of a single permanent magnet which either rotates or reciprocates within a single coil of copper wire. The coil is energized with a bank of dry cell, carbon zinc batteries. In the rotating models, which will be emphasized in this paper, the battery voltage to the coil is reversed each half cycle of rotation by a mechanical commutator attached to the shaft of the rotating armature. Motor operation is sensitive to the angle at which the voltage is switched, and this is optimized experimentally. On some models, the commutator also interrupts the voltage several times per cycle, creating a pulsed input to the coil.

The coils are constructed with a very large number of turns of copper wire. In all models, the coil inductive reactance is much larger than the coil resistance at operating speed. However, the coil resistance is large enough so that even in the locked rotor condition, very little current flows through the coil. The motors typically draw less than ten milliampere so that small capacity batteries (e.g., 9 volt transistor batteries) can be used in series for the power supply. Self resonant frequencies (frequency at which the coil inductive reactance equals the coil distributed capacitive reactance) are typically on the order of the armature rotation frequency. The permanent magnet armature is very strong, and TIGHT COUPLING TO THE COIL is emphasized in Newman's later models [emphasis added]. His early models used up to 700 pounds of ceramic magnets, while later models used smaller armatures made with powerful neodymium-boron-iron magnets. The commutator is protected by fluorescent tubes placed across the motor. Enough tubes are placed in series so that the battery voltage will not break them down. When the coil is switched, the tubes are lit by the resulting high voltage, minimizing arcing across the commutator.

Newman's motors exhibit the following extraordinary characteristics:

1) High torque is realized with very little input current and very little input power. The battery input power is typically several times smaller than the measured frictional power losses occurring when the armature rotates at its operating speed. His motors are at least ten times more efficient than commercial electric motors (perform the same work with one tenth the input power.)

2) The batteries last much longer than would be expected for the current input. It has been demonstrated that "dead" dry cell batteries will charge up while operating a Newman Motor, and subsequently be able to deliver significant power to normal loads (e.g., lights). The batteries fail by internal shorting rather than be depletion of their internal energy.

3) Significant rf power is generated by the motor (primarily in the ten to twenty megahertz range). The rf is a high voltage relative to ground, and will light fluorescent or neon tubes placed between the motor and ground in addition to lighting the tubes placed across the motor coil. The rf current flows through the entire system, and has been measured calorimetrically to have an rms value many times larger than the battery input current.

EXPERIMENTAL DATA

A large amount of data has been collected by many individuals on the various Newman Motors. While Newman's most recent prototypes are perhaps the most interesting because of their reduced volume, I will present data on his original prototype large machine which has been more extensively investigated. Measured motor parameters are listed below:

COIL PARAMETERS:

Weight ........................... 9,000 pounds
Copper Wire Length ...... 55 miles
Coil Inductance ............. 1,100 Henries
Coil Resistance .............. 770 Ohms
Coil Inside Diameter ...... 4 feet
Coil Height .................... 4 feet

ROTOR PARAMETERS:

Rotor Weight ..................... 700 lbs. ceramic magnets
Rotor Length ..................... 4 feet
Moment of Inertia .............. 40 Kg-sq.m.
Magnetic Moment ............. 100 Tesla-cu.in

BATTERY PARAMETERS:

Battery Type ..................... 6 Volt Ray-O-Vac Lantern
Total Series Voltage .......... 590 Volts

DYNAMIC PARAMETERS:

Torque Constant ................ 15,400 oz. in./amp
Drag Coefficient ................. 0.005 Watts/sq.rpm.
Q at 200 rpm ..................... 30
Power Factor, 200 rpm ...... 0.03

The torque constant was measured at DC and agrees with calculations. The drag coefficient was measured by plotting the motor speed versus time after disconnecting the batteries. It was found that the decay is exponential with the drag torque being proportional to the angular speed. With the motor operating at 200 rpm, the following measurements and calculations were obtained:

RESULTS: 200 RPM at 590 VOLTS

Battery Input Current ............ 10 milliampere
Battery Input Power .............. 6 Watts
Rotor Frictional Losses .......... 200 Watts
RF Current (rms) ................. 500 milliampere
RF Ohmic Losses in Coil .......... 190 Watts
Additional Loads ................. Fluorescent Tubes
Incandescent Bulbs
Fan (belt driven)

The frictional losses are computed from the measured drag coefficient. The ohmic losses are computed from the coil resistance. Without considering the additional loads, it is seen that the output energy of the machine exceeded the input by a factor of 65!

Oscillograph photos show that the current waveform is dominated by the very large spike which occurs when the magnetic field of the coil collapses. The leading edge of this spike is shown in Figure 1. The staircase current rise is typical of the Newman Motors, with the width of the stairs in all cases being approximately equal to the length of the coil winding divided by the speed of light. Although the average current in the spike is at DC, the actual current waveform under the stairs is pulsing at a frequency of about 13 megahertz. The time average current in the waveform agrees with the calorimeter measurement of the rf current

PHENOMENOLOGICAL THEORY

A phenomenological theory of operation is suggested here, which involves the following sequence of events:

1) The battery is switched across the coil and a current wavefront (gyroscopic particles) propagates into the coil at a speed determined by the coil's propagation time constant.

2) Before the wavefront completes its journey through the coil, the battery voltage is switched open. At this point the coil contains a charge equal to the current times the on-time.

3) When the switch is opened, all of this charge leaves the coil in a very short time, creating a very large current pulse in the coil.

4) The magnetic field generated by this current pulse (gyroscopic particle flow) propagates out to the permanent magnet armature, and gives it an impulsive torque.

5) The magnet accelerates, and the resulting magnetic field disturbance of the permanent magnet is propagated back to the coil, creating a back-emf. However, by the time this occurs, the switch is open so that the back emf does not impede the current flowing in the battery circuit.

These notions agree qualitatively with the measured waveforms. After one-half cycle of rotation, a charge on the order of 0.01 Coulombs will be contained within the coil. From the oscillograph this is seen to be dumped in a few milliseconds, creating a current of several amps. This current continues to flow for some ten milliseconds before decaying to zero.

Lots to think about.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Joakim on August 08, 2006, 01:10:20 PM
"Lots to think about..."

But this is also noteworthy:
"My copy of the test performed by the National Bureau of Standards says that in a test, Newman's machine only returned 1 third to 2 thirds the energy put into it (the rest of the energy being wasted).   Norm Biss of Erie Pa  reports that he got his employer to agree to build and test a Newman motor.  He found Newman to be ignorant of electronic motors and their assembly. Newman made a whole mess in the motor with 3 different kinds of glue trying to hold everything together.  He broke all kinds of parts on the motor by over heating and using an 8 lb sledge hammer.  They say Joe stole a key to the place and stole the device the day before qualified engineers were going to test it. More on this at: THE NORM BISS STORY"
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm

I'm so disappointed with people not taking the consequences for their claims and actions... How can we rid this field of hobby experimentalists from these guys?

I began reading up on this OU subject a week ago, knowing nothing before that. I've been left feeling cheated about 99 times out of 100 when examining what critics has to say about all these claims. The only type of device I see possible of OU right now are the magnetic ones - like the Stephen Marks device (even though some critics have valid points against him). The most interesting device to me right now is the one that Hans Coler built in before and during WWII in Germany. This device has actually been tested by British Intelligence so...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: tishatang on August 09, 2006, 05:01:45 PM
Hi Joakim,

I posted my link because I remembered something like the parable ala Mannix.  I think Newman has a piece of the puzzle in stopping and starting pulses in a wire before the current has a chance to reach the end.  Evidently Mannix feels this is a part of the Mark device to post his parable.

In regards to your posted link, I feel there is a lot of disinformation, especially in the point by point rebutal of Hastings by Tom Napier.

Tom Napier knows this is motor designed to run at self resonance of the coil, yet he treats the math as if it were a simple solinoid coil! 

Trust Hastings here because he states the motor turns at the self resonance of the coil and that the Q of the coil is 30 in his example.  When a coil is at resonance the voltage is multiplied by the Q of the coil.  If you have 400 volts supplied by the batteries then at resonance you have 400 X 30 = 12000 volts in the coil.  Also, the current would decrease dramatically.  So, all the numbers Napier is using do not apply at resonance.

In addition, when you have coil whose wire length is greater than 1/4 wave length, standing waves appear within the coil!  The incredible length of Newman's coil must have all kinds of standing waves in it.  Maybe this is where the high frequency in the megahertz range comes from.  This is not addressed by Hastings or Napier.
It must come from all those rich harmonics in those standing waves.  Here is a reference:

http://www.ttr.com/corum/

The later Newman seems out of character from the early Newman.  Maybe, he was on to something, and the powers that be couldn't just do him in because of his high profile.  So, maybe they just beamed into his head messages from God?  This technology is available to the spooks for a long time, and is now becoming commercial in that coming soon to local dept stores are displays that talk only to you in your head when you stand in front of them.

Be aware that a lot of critics are paid disinformants to steer you away from energy freedom.

Tishatang
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on August 13, 2006, 10:10:22 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: c0mster on August 16, 2006, 08:23:36 PM
This is interesting.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: pese on August 16, 2006, 08:53:53 PM
Kennst Du den schriftlichen text dazu?
Das gab es vor 2 Jahren im www !
Ein Ger?t das 300Watt (900 Watt) liefert
und mit radiant energie arbeitet.
Es gab eine Serienfertigung Katalog und Preisliste dazu .
Leider sind s?mtliche Hinweise dazu aus dem www verschwunden (unter anderem auch aus keelynet)
Wer hat die Texte kopiert und kann die HIER einstellen?
  translation:

Do you know the written text in addition?  That gave it before 2 years in the www! 
Equipment the 300Watt (900 Watts) supplies  and with radian energy works. 
There was a quantity production to catalog and price list in addition.   
Unfortunately all references to it disappeared from the www (among other things also out keelynet)   
 Who copied (2004 this)? and can the texts the HERE adjust?

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: aarnold on August 16, 2006, 09:43:56 PM
does anybody replicated this???
or just Steven Mark?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on August 23, 2006, 05:18:31 AM
@Nostradam
many thanks for finding this.
Looks like it is really Steven Mark, his voice sounds familar.

Hmm,nice prototype.
The only thing what bothers me is the flat wood
thing plate in the upper case half.
What is behind it ?
Could there be any flat sized batteries be hidden
or is there just a flat coil behind it or something simular ?

Also this unit does not seem to have the effect, that it doesn?t work
when one puts it upside down !?

The magnet seems tobe pretty strong in this unit, so is this some kind of hint ?
Also the magnet is now fixed inside the coil, so no movement between coil and
magnet.

If this works somehow via Barkhausen Resonance effects, I wonder, if
the 2 mentioned transformers are just impedance transformers
to match the impedance of the 25 Watts bulb or if they play any
other role in it ?
The circuit board surely looks a bit like a switched power supply,
maybe it is from a 12 Volts DC to 120 Volts AC converter and
changed and fitted to the Barkhausen-Resonance application ???
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on August 23, 2006, 05:42:24 AM
What is curious, that the maybe  ? flatcoil ? behind the wood panel in the
upper half case seems to be in series with ths output bulb
and the transformer.
The wire from the big transformer goes first behind this panel
and then comes back to the bulb, so transformer output coil,
panel and bulb are in series !

That means, if the thing behind the panel is really a flat coil
with lots of capacitance or a flat condensor,
then the transformer and panel thing must be in resonance and
this seems to be an LCR circuit, where the 25 Watts bulb is the R load resistor.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: aarnold on August 23, 2006, 04:16:48 PM
we don't need a transformer to ligth a bulb..... why does he use one?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: GM on August 23, 2006, 04:45:53 PM
we don't need a transformer to ligth a bulb..... why does he use one?

Maybe the output voltage of his earlier device is to low?

In his newer (toroid) designs he could fit the coil windings to get the right voltage
to drive a 120 volt light bulb directly.

And I am able to relate if he worked with small voltages on his first experiments. 
This will reduce te "Ouch-effect" ;D

Markus
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Nali2001 on August 24, 2006, 01:53:37 AM
Is it just me or is the guy in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6540638039071490742&q=magnet (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6540638039071490742&q=magnet)

probably the same guy from this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=utterly+amazing (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=utterly+amazing)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403&q=utterly+amazing (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403&q=utterly+amazing)

I reconized the way he talks\explains and also the voice sounds familiar.
Also the guys wears the same rings on both hands in both video's.
Big ring on right hand and smaller ring on left hand. Conpare the video's!
Does not per-se proove anything. But I'm quite conviced this is the same guy.
The plate probably is made from the same material as the rods.

What do you think?
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: hartiberlin on August 24, 2006, 03:48:01 AM
@Nali2001
No, these are 2 different guys, although I must admit they sound
pretty much the same, but if you have seen the other Steven Mark?s
videos you can see, that these are 2 different persons.
The name of the Asian guy from the Rods video is unkown to me.
Does anyone know the name of him ?

It was speculated that this might be a fake with small
button-sized battery cells hidden inside the rods stacked up for around 100 Volts DC.
But you never know.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: supersam on September 02, 2006, 12:15:40 AM
I think what everyone has been missing in this whole thread is the importance of harmonics! 



finally tao has stumbled upon a link that has great implications of a harmonicaly balanced ( or unbalanced ) system that has potential.  However with Stevens
TPU you have all of the advantages with few disadvantages.  maybe everyone should take a look at the relevance of harmonic balancing.  I have seen several prototypes of devices that could have benifitted from a little balance.  you should all stop and take and think about the natural balance of the uuniverse if you think you are going to tap into it.  you might want to look very closely at the infomation at "heartbeat200.com"  some of the ideas about how phi and pi interact might help alot in figuring out where to place magnets on a two dimentional plane to get your desired effects.  if it can be done?

Mywork is clearly focused on creating at least A THREE DIMENSIONAL MODEL.  i just don't think it can be done intwo.  creating a three dimensional model is tough.  so i hoppe someone can accomplish in two.

to tao thanks for the referece but i don't think it will ever be able to fulfil the needs of mankind as a whole.  maybe you can have enough power in your lifetime to survive, but i want AC (air conditioning).  Thanks for the help on not having to recharge the batteries on my cell phone and laptop.

please lets not kill tis thread.  it might be the best chance we have!
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on September 02, 2006, 03:06:40 AM

Here is my interpretation of a three dimensional model

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1453.0.html

Kind Regards,

Dean McGowan
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Dingus Mungus on September 02, 2006, 11:08:37 PM
I'm 8 pages in and the story is thrilling...

I'm betting the "harmonics" might relate to the Schumann resonance, but I'll have to see whats revealed page by page. I've been researching this device since I first saw it's demo video on youtube, and I'm happy to say since the advent of the internet its impossible to supress information... if people are only willing to share it.

<smirk>

Well this is my first post on this site but recently I've found myself doing a lot of research here, so I'll probably be here for a while (or at least till I find an energy source). I wouldn't mind a plot spoiler on this 140+ page novel that may or may not contain informaion on its actual construction.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: savyasachi on September 03, 2006, 03:00:31 AM
Hi, is it what You are talking about?
Hope it helps.

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Dingus Mungus on September 03, 2006, 05:52:39 AM
Hi, is it what You are talking about?
Hope it helps.

http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf



Looks like exactly what I was hoping to find...
Wow... Thanks Savy!

Is that the "Steve Mark(s) Device" or just something similar?
If it is the "SMD", then have there been any replications yet?
In other words, does anyone know for certain this phenomenon is 'real'?

(I must admit this would be the greatest invention ever if sustainable)

I'm going to reveiw this patent info further now to see if it includes the
exact winding/wiring details. The whole world needs this device now, it is
the metaphorical 'kick' we all need to get back to true sovereignty.

Mr. Mark if you are reading this, I know you'll make the right choice and
share this technology with the world soon... Till then I wait in excitement.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: supersam on September 03, 2006, 04:46:43 PM
dean

thanks for the post i think you might be on to something.  have you considered the effects of combining both phi and pi in your concept.  i think that the harmonics and mathmatics really are going to start to line up if you do.  three bar magnets are great but what about six?  how did you arrange your inner magnets to call them phi?  have you looked at 18 and 19? might be easier than a whole refitting.  let me know.  have you considered takin your phi spiral to asphere within a sphere instead of a cone within a cone?

how about making it a solid stat sphere in a sphere?  seems to me magnetic flux is spherical so to take ful advantage of the power of maqgnetics and also be able to manipulate for maximum power we are going to have to start thinking at least in three dimensions.  not saying it can't be done in two,but it seems to me that there will be a big difference in output between a circle and a sphere.

thanks
sam
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: AdamMarquis on September 03, 2006, 07:20:21 PM
Here's a (modified, better) cross post from another thread made to ask
about the MPInc solid state disk generator.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1437.msg11670.html#msg11670
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Overtone, I believe it's not as complex as you imply it is.
Sure it depends on magnets more than S. Mark's devices,
but still!!

To me it looks deceptively simple, (yet...
that damn flux is puzzling me!) here's why.

Best Electromagnetic Theory
=====================
When one looks at electromagnetics from a moving electron standpoint,
(without an unless magnetic field abstraction, take a look at the New Magnetism
of Distinti @ http://www.distinti.com ) a magnet being modelized as a one
wire loop of n amperes, it's easy to conceive and even calculate rougly
what's going on (with the the disk alternator in mind): if each magnet is modelized
as a square (full effecton/no effect, since orthogonality prevails)
wire of x amp, then one can easly modelize using the now free NIA1
document what's going on. Look on Distinti's website for more details.
http://distinti.com/distinti/ne/ne.htm
http://distinti.com/docs/        =>> To get access to all his papers
I need to recall that for him inertia arises from electron acceleration,
nothing else need to be used to explain it.

The Disk Alternator
==============
The Magnetic Power Inc device makes the Disk Alternator,
the most simple to build alternator from a guy in Laval, Quebec, Canada
US Pat. Application 20050099081 @ http://pat2pdf.org almost
obsolete, since it's  the same basic idea, except the magnets are
not moving. Now, if we take into account the 5-6 thousand
hertz Steven Mark was able to pulse its cores at, it would
mean that the solid state electrical generator is similar to
a disk alternator driven to circa 70,000 RPMs!!
There are other similar patents for alternators with coils on a disk
with spining magnets over them, can't recall the names nor numbers.

Adding to that the toroidally wound generator in the Sullivan patent,
20030025416 @ pat2pdf.org
and the low-loss rotating flux transformer patents from Westinghouse
4639610 and 4595843 @ http://pat2pdf.org
one can start understanding of what possibilities are out there.
Basically, saturate the core of the CEG to get free energy out of a
no-moving part flywheel, at least it's what I understand about it.
The Sullivan patent says backtorque appear only when core's saturated.
JNaudin replicated it.

Rotating Flux Generators
==================
The CEG,  20030168921, is the 4595843 patent applied to electrical
energy generation. The best way I know of implementing the
blaxbox box is SHE (Selective Harmonic Elimination) sinewave synthesis,
more commonly known as Magic Sinewaves.

I uncovered from this thread a reference to another rotating flux
patent(s, should I say), the ones from Chung Huyn from Huyn Laboratory Co Ltd,
about  this exact same principle of inertia in rotating flux, dating as far back as 1986.
The CEG was thus already discovered, it's almost a natural thing to do/try, to
almost to fully saturate a non-moving core with moving "flux" and play in that area. There's
even a French-written Morocco patent about this CEG/Rotating flux technology,
which is more like S.M.'s device than MPI's since it does not need magnets as much.
The patents uses the phrasing "travelling magnetic field", which is what bothers a
physics student who wish to get rid of the B field abstraction.
Here's how distinti came to see flux: it might change, but still interesting.
http://distinti.com/docs/classfluxan.pdf
I have not studied nor applied it to anything, but would seem to be the
way to go to explain logically an outdated theory about flux lines.
Sorry to make you read that poor phrasing, will think about it more thoroughly.

Almost-Bifilar Winding Enhancement
==========================
Regarding the modeling of the drive coil's effect of the Gundersons device,
one has to think Fynn et al 's Parallel Path technology (newest patent 6342746).

The Parallel-Symmetric coil idea by Erl Koenig is worth of mention too.
It is contained in this US patent, 4806834, which state 25% current
reduction for the same magnetic effect is possible. (His 4584438
patent is a great application of this parallel-symmetric coil idea,
along with the more recent 5977707) It smells bifilar winding.
I recall that bifilar winding make the voltage between adjacent
wires V/2 (half Voltage) instead V over number of turns and I recall
all the potential applications ala TEP, much like using it as a capacitor
Energy Saver, which diminishes peak power but extent the "workfullnes"
of the stored charge couple times more, as one shorts a series capacitor
across the load when it becomes almost full. George Wiseman worked
on this problem, experimenting the serial/parallel capacitor concept with
washer fluid pumps.

The Anonymous poster's explanation of the Marks device
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg10964.html#msg10964
mention at the very first point the transistorized bifilar
kicker of Bedini, which is similar in action to the Time Energy Pump
project, which material might relate to the Mark device.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm

Negative Damping Phenomena
======================
Magnets opposing one another act as a negative damping coefficient
spring, as Cyril Smith posted I can't recall where (steorn forum IIRC).
He points out the Delta Tooling Co. US Patent 6232689 about a press
using big&powerful rectangular magnets with one of them rotating,
thus using the negative damping effect to replace classical hydraulic
systems.

Conclusion
========
I'm pretty sure the Gunderson device is home buildable from
the combined information in the aforementionned patents.
It's easly modelized and easly built IMO. But one never knows
until one tries, that's for sure.

I recently read the first few S.M. comments about the
difficulties of understanding his device, will read the others
as soon as I get time to give.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: savyasachi on September 04, 2006, 12:30:26 AM
Hi, everyone.

 I want to ask You one question:  can You just built it, and check, if it works??? Please, help me. I have no access to the materials, or place to do it myself at this time. But I always have this question in my head...does it really work??????????
 It is only two coils, few magnets, and torroidall ferrid... or maybe I am wrong?

 Or if You have ANY OTHER progect, or You know any thing working, please let me know!!!!

  Hope to hear from You soon.

 Savyasaci
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: dean_mcgowan on September 04, 2006, 02:21:45 AM
Sam,

Out of respect I should really continue this discussion in the appropriate thread, however I hope no one minds this one post.

The phi spiral is evident when you lay the piece of paper I have inset in the second cone pic, flat as opposed to being inset as shown.

I intend to post more information soon in the appropriate thread once I have some more compelling results to offer, though I thought It was worthy of detailing and showing my efforts thus far. My version 2 model will be of similar scale yet I intent to employ much stronger magnets.

I will exhaust these options until I begin to change the basic design. Anyone who would like to try and replicate my efforts need only contact me and I will supply a full set of instructions as to how to proceed. No catches, no holding back of any information whatsoever.

Thankyou and Kudos to the Steven Marks device.

Regards,

Dean McGowan
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: supersam on September 04, 2006, 06:26:36 AM
 :)dean

i wil take that under advisement and meet you on the appropiate site.  thank for your effort. i still would like some help on my sphere in a sphere idea. i think we can achieve great things if we mesh phi and pi!

thanks
sam
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: giantkiller on September 04, 2006, 08:58:28 AM
I see so much diatribe and group hugging.
Forget the complex and just stay with the basics. Nobody gives a dimn about spewage. It just chases people away. Create your own conspiracy.
Reverse engineer the Stephen Marks 3" ring. This device seems to be the real thing by the mp4 video. 8)
That is what I am doing. Hence my avatar. I have posted to get input from anybody on specs. As I get them my avatar will change until that fateful day when I appear in the news as interviewed or dead.
Let's get real.... 8)
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: savyasachi on September 04, 2006, 03:20:55 PM
 is it the same circuit, invented by Steven Mark? - http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
 Or not the same?
Can anyone, please, give me direction in Internet on S.M. circuit, if it is different.
 Thank You

 
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: GM on September 04, 2006, 03:56:31 PM
is it the same circuit, invented by Steven Mark? - http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
 Or not the same?

There is every indication that Mr. Marks Device don't use any ferromagentic core.
(for example in one of the videos some people hold/wave about a speaker-magnet directly to a small device, but no attraction occured)

So this circuit seem to bee different.

Regrads, Markus
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: savyasachi on September 04, 2006, 08:15:06 PM
Thanks Markus
By the way, look what I found, wery simmilar to the previous one,
http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf
if it can be usefull to anyone...
Savyasaci
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: GM on September 04, 2006, 08:27:44 PM
savyasaci,

thank you for your eagerness, but there is already a MEG-section in this forum.

So, please, first look for the right place befor you post your informations.
Otherwise you would macerate/adulterate a well defined thread/topic.

Thank you.  ;)

Markus
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 04, 2006, 08:49:44 PM
The Steven Marks videos are extremely impressive! He refers to an Earth 5 KHz source. This seems to be where he's getting the energy.

I just wish Steven would get this device out in the market already since he does not want to publish, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons. Does Steven have a web blog so we can see what he is doing? I just can't justify him taking nearly 10 years to market a working device. This is a legitimate question.

BTW, does anyone have any clue as to what type of energy this 5 KHz might be? ... Very interesting!

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 04, 2006, 09:21:42 PM
Here's a thought. Over continents the Earths crust is typically 30 kilometers. This is really a long shot, stab in the dark, but at the speed of light it would take an electric wave 200 usec to traverse down and reflect back up. 200 usec is 5 KHz.  So if by some small chance the Steven Marks device is acting like a directional Earth antenna then it makes sense that if you reverse (turn up side down) the device that it would stop working.

I have no idea yet what the speed of electric waves would traverse at 5 KHz. That's pretty low frequency so it very well could be near c.

Here's a simple method for Steven Marks to test this theory. Just take the device far out in the ocean. We know that the average Earths crust thickness is only 5 kilometers under the oceans, which would bring the resonance up to 30 KHz.

http://www.livescience.com/technology/050407_earth_drill.html

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on September 04, 2006, 09:34:37 PM
The Steven Marks videos are extremely impressive! He refers to an Earth 5 KHz source. This seems to be where he's getting the energy.

I just wish Steven would get this device out in the market already since he does not want to publish, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons. Does Steven have a web blog so we can see what he is doing? I just can't justify him taking nearly 10 years to market a working device. This is a legitimate question.

BTW, does anyone have any clue as to what type of energy this 5 KHz might be? ... Very interesting!

Paul Lowrance



Hi Paul,

as I can remember, he only limit the frequency to 5 kHz, else it would continuously step up to a higher frequency until it will destroy the unit.

rensseak
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 04, 2006, 09:38:48 PM
Quote
Hi Paul,

as I can remember, he only limit the frequency to 5 kHz, else it would continuously step up to a higher frequency until it will destroy the unit.

rensseak
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on September 04, 2006, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: Steven Mark
In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin
to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes
the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.  It is important that you note
that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received
by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of
conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes
to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.

Quote
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?

Paul Lowrance

The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.

rensseak




Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 04, 2006, 10:28:14 PM
Quote from: rensseak
Quote
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?

Paul Lowrance

The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.

rensseak
rensseak,

May I ask where you are getting your information from?

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: rensseak on September 04, 2006, 11:32:46 PM
Quote from: rensseak
Quote
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?

Paul Lowrance

The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.

rensseak
rensseak,

May I ask where you are getting your information from?

Paul Lowrance

From Mannix and what he wrote for Steven Mark in this forum. OK, it's not an information, more a conclusion/combination of me. Sorry for misunderstanding.

rensseak
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 05, 2006, 12:33:23 AM
No problem rensseak.


Everyone,

Steven Marks provides some interesting info.  He vaguely mentions something about frequency patterns that can change, but that is not actual frequency. He says it resonates at 5 KHz and also has a physical vibration at 7.3 Hz (not KHz) even though there are no moving parts. We know there Earth has numerous resonance's around 7.3 Hz depending what level. There are many levels to Earth from the hot Mantels, to the upper crusts, to the ionosphere and beyond.

Also we know his machine contains a solid-state rotation very much like a physical motor. The more I think about it the more likely it seems he is tapping into Earths energy. This could be the hot mantel, which is roughly 20 to 80 kilometers down, but varies depending where you are located. Or it could be the D-layer ionosphere, which is 50 to 90 kilometers up. Either one could resonate at 5 KHz resonance depending where you are located. Also it would explain why the machine does not work when you flip it upside down. Other effects would be constant variations in effectiveness, which his device also shows in the videos and Steven mentions this. Such variations could not come from the Earths magnetic field because Earths magnetic field does not vary much at all from hour to hour much less minute to minute.

No offense to anyone, but this machine scares me, lol. So please enjoy this research as I'll spend my time on other devices and on my own device. If it is true that he is tapping into Earths energy, then it would spell such global havoc if millions of people tapped into. I cannot even begin to imagine the concequences. Perhaps the big boys in the secret government took Steven for a ride to show him exactly where the energies coming from and to convince him that 7 billion people extracting this energy would kill the planet. I understand a lot of people think Steven is simply cutting magnetic lines and getting free energy from no place, but I very much disagree. So I think Steven Marks device is legitimate. IMHO it is a very scary machine that I'll stay away from.  :)

Peace,
Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: giantkiller on September 05, 2006, 04:49:30 AM
The humming sound is the copper loops vibrating against each other. This is noticable in household appliance transformers except that they are baked in varnish to squelch it otherwise the plates chatter. :-\
When I worked at Keystone Transformer in Philadelphia my first job was to dip the terminal leads of the transformers in acid after they cooled from the ovens and then they sit on a rotating table while the acid dissolves the varnish off the male leads. My next task was to air blow the residue off and then they would go to testing.
My next job was to actually load up the coils with plates and seat that in collared frames.
Just a little trivia.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 05, 2006, 05:00:33 AM
The humming sound is the copper loops vibrating against each other. This is noticable in household appliance transformers except that they are baked in varnish to squelch it otherwise the plates chatter. :-\
When I worked at Keystone Transformer in Philadelphia my first job was to dip the terminal leads of the transformers in acid after they cooled from the ovens and then they sit on a rotating table while the acid dissolves the varnish off the male leads. My next task was to air blow the residue off and then they would go to testing.
My next job was to actually load up the coils with plates and seat that in collared frames.
Just a little trivia.

Yes, those old humming appliances.  ;)  Giantkiller, appliances in U.S. hum at 60 Hz, not 7.3 Hz. Also hums are sign of loose windings in coil unless were talking about massive amounts of current, but even so Stevens device hums at 7.3 Hz. It seems Stevens device resonates at 5 KHz. This would causes vertical resonance waves at ~5 KHz while at the same time the wave would also resonates around the globe at ~7 Hz. This is something the great Tesla discovered.

I see Stevens device as using the Earth as magnetic material in a similar fashion that other devices such as the MEG use a magnet to flip the process so as to collect Magnetocaloric energy. That could explain why Stevens device does not work upside down because you're essentially the electronics don't know the process flip. Since the process flipped the role has changed so that you can no longer collect the Magnetocaloric energy.

Essentially Steven created an open field rotating magnet that spins at roughly 300000 rpms! That's a pretty cool idea as long as just a few people play with it, and not a few billion.

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: giantkiller on September 05, 2006, 05:17:32 AM
Ok, it has been ten years of coils from Steven Marks and no schematics. I had read a writing from Freedomfuel and he alluded to something not quite right. And yes, Freedomfuel, if Steve truely had something he'd be dead. Nobody can make money on this. That takes public eye time and the MIB will find you. The oil machine is well oiled. So...

I put this to the world: Anybody producing a schematic to me will not be known and I will make many of them and give away 1 each to the first 100 people. It would be up to you to announce to the world. Or we run some kind of fantasy ring and report new applications here. And so starts the next ring out. I don't need to make any money off this. This pure and simple form of energy is meant to be free. I have seen Tesla's movies. And brothers, I know it can be done. After all "Man cannot fly"!
Computers really didn't take off till everybody got one. I remember in 1983, when I got my Apple computer, my friends and family thought I was nuts. I mean, what the hall is anybody going to do with one those things in the house?
Now look at us.
Back to my offer: I am thinking that each 3" unit should cost $50.00 U.S. to make. By the time the 100th is made the world should be in an uproar. My cost is $5k. Peanuts. I've run $160,000.00 a transaction shorting Oracle in the stock market multiple times on any given day. Need more proof? October 1st is start of the fiscal year. Oracle license fees are due by the end of the fiscal year, September 30. Guess what their stock price does? Every year 'It goes up' when the revenues are reported. Get rich! There are so many ways to make money without working it's pathetic.
Give me a schematic and let's get on with it... Put up or shut up. The world is round so I can run circles around it.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: savyasachi on September 05, 2006, 06:02:08 PM
If You happen to get schematic, give it to us, the sooner the better. It is the best way to preserve something, by giving it to everybody, and it is safe for YOU, You will not remain as "target" any more! So, You can have it for much longer.
Savya

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: giantkiller on September 05, 2006, 07:13:23 PM
And your response, brother, is what I want the most. Without solidarity on any issue, we live in darkness.
You are #1 to receive. This response will be your proof of purchase. ;)
I have repeatedly watched the steven mark video at the 3" ring section. I do know electronics and what I see looks plausible. What could be done is the ring is actually a messy grouping of nicads. There are no parts of any of the videos that actually prove to the viewer that there is vibration or gyroscopic torsion. In a previous post Freedomfuel stated that 'with that kind of field generation the video should show some noise'. I agree. But this is new and 'all things are possible'. Also I hope that Steven Mark is not playing the viewers for fools. I also agree with Freedomfuel that the possibility of a tilt switch is there. All one has to do is incorporate a mercury tilt switch. Then you get tilt and magnetic attraction in a capsule package that could be hidden. Steven uses a magnet on a 6" black unit. The same one that doesn't work upside down.
It is hard to tell if he is trying to 'rook' the investors or the viewers or both. I have been involved with personalities like this before and it all smells the same. I was withholding this view before until I read Freedomfuel's post. I am a newbie to this site but have been done the 'inventor's road' for many years. Everybody want a true reality. Some want it so bad they make shat up. Too me it seems like this cosmic aether view sounds like a new age crystal worship, but for guys. Guys don't want pretty, they want motive force. That is why we do guns and motors.
Anyway my offer still stands. Too all: "Let's kick some butt".
And to Steven Mark or any one posing to be an intermediary: Cut the sh*t. Your story is running out. This same pattern is going on with the Joe cell. It takes some people, but only the people who are new. The vintage viewers just call it for what it is and go away. :'(

Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 05, 2006, 08:23:53 PM
I think it might be best in this case to separate the opinions from the facts & possibilities.

First here are my opinions. Before I studied the facts I too thought Steven might be a scam artist, but now after pondering upon his device I can see other possibilities that IMHO have higher probability.

Resonance is a powerful thing. We see what a miniscule force can do to a huge bridge if properly performed. It is possible to find resonance between the Mantel layer and the Earths surface. With each cycle the forces add up. If I'm correct, then Steven's device is highly localized and would need fine-tuning when moved from city to city. In fact, I would imagine that such a technique would not work everywhere. This could be driving Steven crazy and prohibiting him from marketing the device.

One thing is for certain. It is possible to build a device that causes such vibrations due to resonance caused by a high speed rotating magnetic field.

IMHO it is a blessing that Stevens is having difficulties. A machine that instantly moves energy from the inner Earth to top surface is dangerous on a global scale. There are too many other devices with better potential that are safe such as the MEG.

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: giantkiller on September 05, 2006, 10:02:11 PM
Has anybody done a 'google:steven mark'
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
Oh, dear...
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 06, 2006, 03:53:25 PM
The information could be true, or not true. That is the nature of a google search, lol. Just recently I was searching google for scientific information on emissivity of certain materials, which you would think you could trust such science web pages. I found every contradictory answer under the sun for the exact same material. Internet information by itself can be vague, false, and sometimes contradictory.

Paul Lowrance
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: gn0stik on September 07, 2006, 06:19:04 PM
Has anybody done a 'google:steven mark'
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
Oh, dear...

This has been posted many times in here... It's hogwash. They guy is a known slanderer. You can completely dismiss it.
Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: Freedomfuel on September 07, 2006, 08:51:42 PM
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Title: Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
Post by: PaulLowrance on September 07, 2006, 09:04:23 PM
Thanks Freedomfuel. I think we just disagree and have different opinions unless you know something specific about Stevens device and the MEG that I do not. If I am correct about Steven's device then it instantly moves energy from the Earths mantel. Tornados and such do not move energy from Earths mantel.

I don't think any of us can say for certain how Steven's device works due to lack of detail as compared to the MEG. I very very much disagree with you on the