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About Steven Mark
A history of The T.P.U . (Torroidal Power Unit)
By Lindsay Mannix 2006
Have you ever had a dream? An idea that comes from within you and seems a bit crazy at first but wont go away? Perhaps you are crazy?
What if somehow you?re self imposed limitations and boundaries were lifted in a way that enabled you to do anything you really wanted to? Instead of ?I could? it was ?I must I will I can if fact I cant not!?
Reasons not to do things reasons not to believe are spirited by cynics and skeptics amongst us all over the world. We want our ideas to fit into other people?s boxes and when it doesn?t seem to it is too easy to just give up to the interests of other who really are not interested at all.
Why do we listen to their negative statements when the little voice in side us whispers ?we can?
The real question is what has a cynic or skeptic ever created other than doubt?
Instead of saying or thinking ?I doubt that? how about the possibility on the other side of doubt? You see the very word ?doubt? contains this. Instead of doubt how about ?I do not understand that yet? or even ?I?m not ready to do that right now?.
Well my friends it is the fear inside us, which prevents that from happening.
Perhaps that fear seems rational. Quite often it really is not!
I would like to share my experience of how this works or doesn?t work? And if you will come on this journey you too I can be sure that some of the veils of your creativity may be lifted from your being. And more of your choices may be that.your choices!
I have never written a book before but this does not even fit my previous idea of what writing a book was. I consider this as a record of discovery from my perspective, and was inspired by a brilliant man whose achievements will not be forgotten.
Stories of devices like the one I am about to describe to you have been told before. The difference with this particular one is that as of January 2006 the device, the technology, the inventor, and most of those involved are still with us. You will be told of what amounts to a scam, real people have lost money here and many more may do so unless this story is understood. You will hear about personal attacks from people who would seem to have no reason to do so. You may also be schooled in the technology that could change how we live.
Histories going back 100 years reveals several inventors who have made these devices operate but for seemingly unknown reasons they have never succeeded in a way that allowed them to become useful in peoples everyday lives.
We are not talking about microwave ovens, dishwashers, computers, water treatment processes, medical practices and many other wonderful inventions of last century, which are useful and vital parts of our modern world. What we are focusing on is inventions relating to energy generation and specifically technology that has the effect of reducing oil and coal consumption throughout the world. You may think that the oil companies are just out to control everything in our lives. Let?s find out!
I can hear it now ?conspiracy theory!? another crackpot with tall poppy syndrome another loser who wants to justify his lack of material wealth by pointing at those who seem to have more. All I can say at this stage is hear me out, absorb what you can and please do not try to categorize this tale just yet .If you can bear with me you may see that it is the way that we too quickly make assumptions that prevent new ideas and concepts like the one that is revealed here from fitting into our world.
By ?our? world I really mean your world. Every body lives in their own different world, the one that they have created for themselves or happily allow others to structure for them. There is no judgment here it is just that we all cannot help but want things to fit into what we already know and this works for us in most situations.basic survival it is why a child can learn most things more quickly than an adult. It works and I?m not knocking it. But please identify this anomaly in your self and others to understand how our good friend ?experience? can play tricks on us. Other wise put this down now as another crack pot and read something more appealing to you. I suggest ?new idea? or ?who?.
Many people, at different times in their lives get the inspiration and an ability to create something unique something that means a lot to them and feels good. The arts are the best example of this creativity manifesting into something that many others can share, reject or analyze. Have you ever sat down to paint something, gone to do some creative gardening, started to write a book, really whatever you really like to do and find that you just can?t seem to get into it?
Have you ever found your self-doing your best work really easily and getting results that amaze you and others and you just say, ?it was nothing really?. And you are not being polite.
Trades people suffer the same Inspiration and even TV repairmen get a bit frisky at times!
I do not apologize for approaching the subject matter indirectly here, as the understanding that I will attempt to reveal to you requires that I explain the social and interpersonal relevance of new discovery. A discovery that if we allow it to will make our world a better place. Without this the story will not be of any real use, if this is already in your present understanding then just bear with me as many others may not understand, in fact if you are not with me so far please go back and read slower. As this is a large part of the reasoning that prevents inventions such as this from entering mainstream use.
The device that I am revealing is by Steven Mark who invented it in the late eighties it generates electricity without the use of fuel, as we know it. This is not a Technical manual and I am not an engineer but Engineers reports are here for you to peruse. Anomalies that are used and exploited by Steven Mark will be explained in the hope that his technology will not fade into another money pit.
Bullshit lies crackpot are common reactions to any free energy ?claim? because right at this point that is all it is to you. Put this down now..If you feel that you are being misled already then what follows is surely not for you. But if you imagine that it might be possible that somebody has, in our recent times had the tenacity skill and inspiration to look into something and create a result that defies current science as we are told to understand it please, with out assumption read on.
To begin with lets get the terminology right these are not strictly FREE ENERGY devices they are CONVERSION devices, which tune to the earths magnetic field and extract useful energy from it.
Since the early 80?s I ran my own Communication and Television repair shop. Never making a fortune and never wanting one. Happily challenged on a daily basis with nutting out the faults and repairing them. Occasionally putting technology together for new things..Windsurfing timing systems. Irrigation remote control. Radio communications systems that used ?unsound engineering practices? .Two kids a mortgage..Life was challenging but simple I was happy if a bit stressed by customer?s expectations.
1n 1996 my life changed. A friend of mine rang me and asked if it was possible to extract energy from the earth?s magnetic field.
My answer was that no body has done it but nothing is impossible. I had never seen an electron and never tuned to the earths magnetism. Sure we use electromagnetism for all sorts of things every electronic device uses it in some way, we even transmit it over long distances but as far as I knew there was only enough energy to turn a compass needle and it seemed static, in other words it didn?t keep turning the needle. I was curious
He then told me of a person named Brian Collins and how he had invented a device which could generate electricity with nothing more than wire from the hardware shop. My curiosity was aroused so I had a look around the Internet and discovered that over the last hundred years or so a few people seemed to have achieved this in some way. Tesla Cohler, Hendershot, Searl to name a few. Many other mathematician types could mathematically prove that it could be done but as I am not a mathematician it all looked like Chinese to me. Tom Beardon is worth a look if you like maths.
At this point I asked my friend to find out more ..
Apparently selected investors would forward $10,000 us and go on a trip to the usa to view the ?Collins generator?.
Brian Collins was the inventor of a unique engine dubbed the Collins engine, which did seem to have real fuel saving advantages. His engine is another story but of importance here is that he truly had a history of being a successful inventor.
I contacted Brian Collins by phone and spoke with him at length. My curiosity was insatiable and I asked him many questions but it became obvious to me that he did not know how it worked. Well I didn?t know how it worked either so how could I say that he didn?t know? This was quite different than somebody not wanting to reveal the secret .He seemed to be suffering from some form of delusion He quite clearly and coherently explained to me that he was working in gods name. He saw himself as the modern version of ?Moses? ..In fact he suggested that it was his new nickname that his ?friends? could use.
Basically people who wanted to follow Moses into the new world could be allowed invest in ?his? invention that he would reveal to the world when it was ready for such things.
In retrospect there was some relevance to that!
I advised my friend not to invest money in this, as something was not right here.
My curiosity for the device however, was elevated.
If this was real then no money could possibly be enough to pay for it in the light of how much oil it would save.
It reminded me of a scene in a movie where a wealthy sheik asked a mother ?how much for your children??
A few months later the same friend came to me and showed me a video of the device running with a well-spoken person called Steven doing the demonstration he seemed a gentle and patient person revealing the operation of the device as he understood it and a few things that were un finished about it. There were two devices demonstrated one was about 100 mm in diameter the other about 450mm .The small device generated a few hundred watts and the larger device 1 kilowatt.
Throughout the demonstration Brian Collins displayed incoherence and a complete lack of common sense. It was embarrassing to hear his explanations. Steven on the other hand was compliant and communicative. Of importance here is that the video was not at all ?professional? just somebody holding a cheap cameras as still as they could with no camera skills. Lots of blurry zooms and shakes you know the stuff! However the video was continuous and showed that something that would seem impossible was happening here.
I was 99% sure that the device was real and 100% sure that Brian Collins knew almost nothing about it.
All the investors must have realized by now that Brian was clearly not the inventor.
I kept the video and watched it over and over. I contacted other people who I learned were investors whom I will not name unless they agree, and a few other who?s names escape me at this time and they were all very closed mouthed about it because they felt that they had lost money with Brian. They even considered that the whole thing might be a trick. My interest was not in money and, as they did not, and could not understand this I must have put them offside so to speak. All I wanted was to know what was happening with the device? How did it work? I knew that a money scheme would not work here and how do I contact Steve Marks? I did not care that Brian Collins fell on his sword, only that there was a real device in existence and it should not be allowed to disappear like the others had over the years. They did not want me to contact Steven but they did want to know if I could make free power for them. Their only interest was the money that they could have made ?a part of me despised them. Perhaps they were ashamed?
I then started to examine the possibility that the whole thing was a fraud so that I could put my mind at rest. I started using radio transmitters and microwave oven magnetrons to duplicate the effect and put the whole thing to bed. But I was unable to achieve anything even nearly like the video demo It was really hard work and risky at times for the techs out there it would have to have been a 50 kilowatt transmitter to do it and even with 2 kilowatts there were adverse reactions (sparks and burnouts) all over the place.
I found it amazing that most all of my colleagues said it was a scam but when witnessing my attempts to prove it fail they were still in ?scam mode? after all we were never taught that you could tune to the earths field so I was considered WHAKO. Even the people who could possibly help solve this riddle saw no challenge in it. I wasn?t lonely but I really felt isolated and alone.
The Sunday paper here in Perth ran a story with ?Miracle generator scam catches fools?. and so on.
Professor x from uni z says that it is impossible. Conservation of energy law etc..So fools and their money ?. You get the picture.
I contacted the journalist involved and asked if he would care to investigate further and discover how the so-called scam was done. But he wasn?t interested, ?people lost money, the professor at the university which you have never attended say that its impossible ?go away you stupid dreamer?. %%%%!!!!
?But this is too important to pass of ?what if it is real??
?Let somebody else do it ..Vie got work to do?.
?I thought a real journalist would be curious why not look harder??
?A real Electronics Man should know better ..Go away?
You get the picture.
I wondered how the real inventor must have felt over the years.
But I was beginning to understand a part of human nature that I was unready to accept as I had expected that every body lived in ?my? world.
The next few years I spent on Internet sites, which were full of people who experimented with free energy. Many intelligent people were glad to offer whatever help they could to discover something. While most seemed well meaning there was a surprising number of people who really did not even know how to read a multimeter the most common ones included motors driving generators offering very small measure power gains over very long periods. I built some of these with some success but no real usable power. Basically they were pulse battery chargers and if you got the pulse just right you would see unexplainable power gain. At times!
Every time I offered my experiences with what became known, as the marks device the scam story would emerge over and over again. I would say but does any body know how the scam was done? Silence
Batteries somebody well meaning said?but batteries cannot do that?that?s because he has a special switching circuit that flattens the batteries more than any body else can?oh really how does he do that?dunno but he?s a scamster and a child molester so don?t deal with him?. how can I contact him? Dunno but we are not interested in any body like that and if he?s not prepared to show everybody then it just proves that it?s a scam.
The whole thing was soul destroying to me a bit like unrequited love.
Inspired by the achievements of this mystery person whom I would probably never meet I began to think that I better apply my self to my dream after all they all thought that I was crazy any way!
Since childhood I always felt a motorcycle could fly ..In fact it could be a very good airplane and the safety of these super fast machines on the ground was clearly something to consider.
So with the knowledge that anything was possible it was really only myself preventing me from playing my own hand. Thanks Steven the ghost!
For the next few years my efforts went into building the ?skybike?
And in 1999 I flew the first Honda CBR900
Around this time Brian Collins Passed away
It may seem reasonable to many that the motorcycle manufacturers would be begging to use something like this to market their products but let me assure you that they were all skeptical to say the least and it seemed that because they hadn?t though of it then I must be given a wide berth because who would do such a dangerous thing?
As it turned out that was not the reason The real reason was that their business is structured around the whiz bang marketing that they already have and the bottom line is that everybody with whom I spoke was working with in the bottom line which was transporting boxes of machinery to destinations and earning their wages as dictated by the business that developed over years. Flying motorbikes just did not fit that picture!
After a few years of this with no success as to finding Steve Mark I made a digital version of the tape that I had and posted on the net.
This created some additional interest and somebody else posted some earlier demos of the same type of devices with Steven Mark showing the process.
Now I really knew that this was the real thing and Steve was obviously the real inventor. but why was nobody else interested when it was clearly the best thing and the most recent thing on the net? Was I the only one who could see it?
The scam stories started again, as did the molester stories people who used to seem dedicated to research would cut and paste anything derogatory about him true or not but not spend any time examining the technology demonstrated. Did they all work for the oil companies? I was getting very cynical about peoples motives and wondered how the most brilliant guy was being defamed because he showed his technology to some people who really had no hope of selling it in their own name.
I felt like a traitor to the person I most respected for posting the first video on the net. Somebody that I hadn?t even met but felt for emotionally even though I was interested in the discovery myself. In all the postings on him there were only 3 or 4 who were really interested in the process of how did this work. The rest seemed happy to bag him and follow others who did not even know how to use a simple multimeter.
So you see that many people become their own enemies by using money and morality to gauge something that is surely neither but world changing.
Then I finally made contact with Steve, who recalled it very much like I had ,
Here are the first few emails. Please do not attack this man who has succeeded in what most us us only dream about.. If you only want to knock him all over again then that will surely not be appropriate for such a brilliant mind as his.
Steven,
Thank you for your response. I aploagise for not answering sooner
I have been away for a few days working on our rail communications system.
To me this is very important as I have spent the last five years of spare time wondering wether magnetic fields poses inertia. Deep down I knew that the operation of your device was valid and after watching one of your early videos it was obvious that this was certainly real.
From time to time I have shown this to "technical" people and asked what they thought and wether it was possible and I learned that perhaps i was crazy to believe in something that i should know better of.
My trade is in electronics !
What I really learned was that people cant help but be so very closed minded about anything new . a good video which demonstrates this is "what the bleep do we really know" I hope you have seen it.
Any way, after type testing the sky bike I learned something else..something that I wasn't ready for and that is the way money clouds and fights discovery I really believe that what you have discovered is priceless. My admiration for you as a discoverer is unquestionable, but I also know that it could not have been money that motivated you to discover this.
I think that your story is an important part of making this technology a part of peoples lives and I completely understand how the greedy money scammers cloud this, the most important validation of all.
Technically I have found no body who accepts the possibility that this works so in that regard I am alone with you....
If you google me you will see many posts on the quack sites saying here it is.. this going back 5 years
Let's talk more soon.. Thank you again
Lindsay Mannix
Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. Thank you for your letter.
I did not know that my letter was posted on his web site. Usually my letters and reports about the technology are never posted anywhere.Or if they do get posted they disappear suddenly.
There has been a concerted effort to eliminate anything I may have to say and to discount the validity of the technology.This is done by attacking me rather then the demonstration as viewed in the video tapes. That is because most of the demonstrations I gave were to engineers and scientists who confirmed the validity of the power generated by my technology. Lay people do not understand just how difficult if not impossible it would be to fake what is shown in the video tapes of the demonstrations.
The video tapes were made with permission to record the historical events as they unfolded. However, some very misguided people took them and used them for evil. Now that the video tapes are everywhere people have been trying to claim they are the inventor or know the inventor etc. Be assured that I have no associates except the those involved with the corporation owning the technology and with Paul Stemm who has been involved with the project longer then anyone else.
It is interesting that when we started to demonstrate the technology no one believed that something so small could generate so much useable power. So they hired engineers and other technical people to confirm that indeed the units did output the energy as viewed in the demonstration. Since no one could discount the demonstrations of power, over time they started to discount the validity of the technology by defaming me.
At first we did not understand this. Why would people who did not see the demonstration or have never met with me, go out of their way to create lies and post them on web sites devoted to furthering alternative energy sources? After a while it became quit clear that the billion dollar oil interests have provided most of the effort to distort any potentially serious alternative to the use of fossil fuels.They even have the world governments in their pockets.
The technology is now owned by a corporation not in the United States, and so that gives me a slight leverage in discussing my situation with you.
I see that you are in Australia.
I have had several dealings with people in Australia. Some of them good and some of them bad.
There was one fellow who was claiming to be the inventor and selling 50 percent shares in his company to everyone he could find. The problem has been that everyone with a copy of the famous demonstration tapes is claming to have something to do with the technology and is usually trying to exploit it in some way.
This only helps to create additional bad publicity for the technology and certainly works for the benefit of the oil industries.
I assure you that I invented the technology over 15 years ago and that I have never personally sought money for the technology. The technology is not magic and is in fact uses simple electronic concepts to achieve the demonstrated results. Therein lays the rub...
I hope to hear from you again.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
SM
So my budding researchers I ask you all again. Can any body find fraud or deception in this device?
Has any body any thing real to say against this man?
Does any body want to apologize to him?
This is the place to do it Feel free!
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Hello Mr. Mannix,
About a year ago I saw one of the 4 movies and I thought THERE you have it!
And then came all the bad stories about him a scamartist.
I still (after one year) believe that Steven Mark has something great to give us, and I still hope that one day we will find the drawings of his device somewhere on the net.
I wish Steven Mark well.
Greetings, Tink.
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I agree with Tink.
Steven Marks has accomplished something very real.
It would be very hard to fake.
If there would be any hidden batteries involved he at least would have
created a very efficient inverter to upconvert any possible battery voltage
to the used outputvoltage to power the incandescant lamps.
Have again a look at the pics and the videos:
http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/ (http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/)
Is it possible to do this with just a few small hidden batteries ?
I don?t believe that.
I hope Steven Marks comes soon out of it hidden place and shows the world
how to do it...
Regards, Stefan.
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Many thanksfor the insight. Have to study this. thanks again.
Regards, Stefan.
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Have a look at these circuits:
http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/035/5/5AR4.pdf
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/dcigna/tubes/sheets/amperex/5ar4-3g.gif
http://tdsl.duncanamps.com/dcigna/tubes/sheets/amperex/5ar4-4g.gif
http://www.mif.pg.gda.pl/homepages/frank/sheets/093/5/5U4GB.pdf
Steven probably meant the phase difference between 5 Volts AC heating transformer
and main transformer.
So if you run the heating transformer out of phase or in a phase offset to the
main transformer,he might see some strange induction voltage or some kindof spike or something like this...
This is not yet clear to me.
If somebody has a good interpretition, please post it. Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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P.S:Who is this guy Paul Stemm and what has he got to do with it ?
Does the hardware still exist like the small coil ring that could light up a 60 or 100 Watts
bulb ?
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What has Reed N Huish got for material of this stuff ?
What is the? GigaBytes data composed of ? Just movies ?
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Reed Huish wrote:
Have 5.80 GB of data.
Agreements, documents, movies, notes, etc.? But mostly movies.
Cool stuff. But as you can see from the current video, if the date is
correct, then all of these videos are over 7 years old.? So what has
happened in the last decade?
Reed, ZPower
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Hartmann [mailto:harti@harti.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 8:37 AM
To: reed@zpower.net
Cc: 'Sterling D. Allan'; 'doug_ZPE'; 'Alexander Frolov'; 'Mark Tomion'; 'Dr.
Steven Greer'; 'Rob_ZPE'
Subject: Re: Police Report on Steven Mark
Importance: High
Hi Reed , thanks for the info.
Well, the real question is, was it ever proved that it was a fake ?
What did all the guys find out, when they cut pieces out of the middle sized
unit ?
Were there any special batteries hidden ?
Otherwise, if they could not find any, how does this device power 875 Watts
for such a long time with this small size ?
Do you have any answer to this ?
Dave Squires and his group is working on simular projects with magnetic
cores, etc and they also have some effects, which still needs to be scaled
up.
So maybe Marks was silenced with Money or was bought out by the millitary
black projects....who knows...
Maybe you could upload some more data to this FTP site, if I give you the
password ?
Especially the notes and technical documents would be very interesting to
see.
Regards, Stefan.
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Huish replied:
Stefan,
It not proven to be REAL or not proven to be FAKE.
Unfortunately, all the documents and videos I have are sealed due to past
confidentiality agreements signed.
Reed
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-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Hartmann [mailto:harti@harti.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 24, 2004 9:12 AM
To: reed@zpower.net
Subject: Marks documents...
Come on Reed,
you tease us over here, that you have 5.8 GB of data about it , and now you
tell us, that they are sealed ???
Well, maybe you can tell us then? at least, who these investors were, so we
can contact them and hear their story and what the raid and destroying of
one unit was all about ?
How long do these NDA agreements lasts that you signed ?
more than 7 years ?
Does Marks still live in Anaheim ?
Why not driving by and just give him a visit.
Maybe someone from my 2100 users list is living near him and just can ring
at his doorbell ?
Can you give us names of the investors who have seen it live ?
I want to contact them.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Huish responded:
Stefan,
I don't know any investors that have seen it live.
Remember, this was over 5 years ago....
Sorry, names of the investors is confidential.
And I KEEP MY AGREEMENTS, so sorry for the tease, but I cannot give out any
further detailed information.
Reed, ZPower
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It makes me wonder, why Mr. Huish does not make available these documents after
all those years. NDAs have probably long since then ended, but Reed Huish just sits
on his 5.8 GB of data about it.....
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Dear Mr. Mannix,
If Steven Mark didn't want any money why all the investors?
If I wouldn't have any money for a FE invention I would give it to the world and fast.
I must say something is wrong with this picture.
Greetings, Tink.
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Hi Lindsay, I did not want to annoy or insult anybody over here.
I just wanted to let everyone know, that also some other people like
Mr.Huish fell for this disinformation crap.
So it was probably started by this guy Brian Collins, who just was in there for the
money and as always money and politics destroy good faith into a technology,
the story continued to get too big for all the persons involved.
I hope that we will soon see some more explanation from you and Steven Marks.
Regards, Stefan.
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To understand your view Mr.Lindsay Mannix,there has to be explained some concrete facts.
When I visit the Keelynet-pages I have to read that this device is first introduced to public
1979 !
We have now 2006 !
There are several peoples named,also Paul Stemm as "interests-attorney",whom today ?
We can read about the Moulina-Martinez device,with same names-group-influence !
Sincerely
de Lanca
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Dont we just love talking about irrelevant stuff
I am not interested in changing your belief system but I ask what do you base it on?
Meanwhile here is Steven's Latest in depth revelation for you I'm sure he just loves going over this you...not!
It is you who believes the bullshit. And you find it easier to belive bullshit than the fact that Steven has sreally done it.
Just dont say any thing if you have no FACTS...you know like the stuff in the video and what he has revealed so far.
What you read somewhere is no fact it is just something you read somewhere now go and watch the videos and go to bed!
Keep up
Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well. I have read the postings on the site. I am again saddened by the things some people say.
I tell you categorically, I have never met any of these people who claim to have met with me or seen a demonstration. Raymond Dale is someone I have actually tried to contact many times in the past to ask why he maintains disinformation. He never answered anyone who has inquired as far as I know.
I even sent him the facts concerning the disinformation he posted on his site.
Some of the lies posted about me are that I was born in Pennsylvania on such and such a date and I now live in Anaheim at some address on Humming Bird Lane etc.
The fact is that according to Pennsylvania state records, no one named Steven Marks or any possible derivation of that name, was ever born on or around that date. Obviously that information was just made up.
Also, the address was also made up by someone. According to the US postal service and the Anaheim police department there is no such address in existence in the city of Anaheim.
After proving these two main statements false I went on to prove virtually everything was made up as a lie, Dale did nothing. He didn't remove the lies or even post my response. I find that very suspect. All these years I have been supposedly conning people out of their money and yet I haven't been arrested? In fact why is it that there is not one single police report with my name on it? Surely you would agree that if these people were really conned out of any money at all, they would have run screaming to the authorities, right? However, if you check with public records you will find that there has never been one single complaint concerning me in any way. Even people who invested money with the enterprising Brian Collins admit that they never once met with me, or that if they did meet with me in fact I never once asked them for money. My job was to demonstrate the technology to technical people who were to report about the validity of the device. Not one single scientist or engineer ever left a demonstration claiming the demonstration was a fake. I think the eminent Dr. Schinzinger's report is conclusive and definitive that I did not fake the demonstration. He would be an absolute authority on the subject of electrical generation and he was interested enough in the technology to suggest that he be permitted to work on it with me.
I believe people like to say sensational things. They like the feeling of making up things they know nothing about and convincing others they have some importance.
I have never asked anyone for money. I never met any of the people who have recently written to the web site. And why for God's sake would I drive up to a demonstration in a Rolls Royce if I was a con man trying to milk money out of people? That is just foolish talk.
They are lying for some personal devious purpose. I assume that they are mentally ill, I do not know. Why is it that no one who claims to have met with me can agree on my name. Is it Steven Marks, Stephen Marks, Marx, Mark etc. I would think that if these people actually met with me and saw a demonstration they would remember my real name, especially if I ask them for millions of dollars. The reason they can't remember is because they were never there. Every single person who came to one of my demonstrations was checked out by a professional security organization to make sure of who they were and that they had a legitimate reason for being present. Records were kept concerning all of my demonstrations by the company owning the technology. They are still available if you are interested. All of the people posting things and claiming to have been present are simply lying. They were never there.
Now about the video tape showing the device being cut into pieces. That was a demonstration I did many years ago for two technical people. One of them was the famous Dr. Roland Schinzinger. He is the older gentleman with the gray beard you can see in the video. I cut the power unit into pieces with a jig saw myself to show once and for all that there were no batteries inside the thing and to let people know what was inside as a reference. At the end of the demonstration I gave pieces of the unit to everyone present.
However, more then anything, how can Mr. Reed or others explain to you and the readers how they know all about me or met with me at an address that doesn't even exist? These people need to check up on facts before they use information they have seen posted on the net to propagate their own myths. In the end I believe it will only make them look foolish.
Sincerely,
SM
Have fun!
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Hi Steven and Lindsa
y, I agree, that we should now concentrate on the technical aspect of the invention and should leave all politics and bullshit disinformation behind us.
After looking at the electron tube circuits Steven mentioned, I have a slight idea, how this resonating and backlooping and amplification of the 'kicks' works. But I am really looking forward for Steven to release more info, so we could run a few experiments to see what is going on
in a 2 transformer setup, which are out of phase.
I did not yet understand, what kind of signals he did feed into them to see these kicks ? Maybe he can let us know. Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.
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Too bad we can not ask anymore Prof. Schinzinger what his impression was about Steven?s technology, cause he died on 25th of Jan. 2004
as is written here :
http://www.schinzinger.com/index.php?page=3
Is this the Dr. Roland Schinzinger Steven Marks has mentioned ?
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Mannix:
I watched the Marks videos many times and agree that the effect is real and that it could revolutionize our world. (at least for lighting! ;-) Anyway- to be in contact with SM is an incredible achievement- thanks for all your hard work in this.
SM seems quite down to earth and willing to help, but I have to ask why nothing has come of this wonderful discovery in all these years? I'm sure all of you agree with me that we are on the brink of global crises on the energy front.....and to have something like this buried because of greed (corporate or personal) is beyond my comprehension. Why oh why can't a construction diagram be uploaded? If it ever made it to the Net the powers that be would be helpless to stop it. What could they do- outlaw wire & magnets?
I do appreciate the tidbits of info (the many small kicks stuff) which reminds me of Tesla's resonance, or the operation of a laser. But obviously we will need more info to begin experimenting. What would happen if 100 of us had working units? Think the government could stop it then? How about 1,000? If it was on the Web there would be MILLIONS of replications within months. Mr. Marks- if you read this.....please we are begging you to release more info. My bet is the US or Israel will nuke Iran within 6 months and then the US will probably head into a recession or depression soon after. The time is now or never.
Geez.....if I could light an LED with this technology I'd be ecstatic! How bout you guys?
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Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?
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If I was being threatened by the "Men in Black" over an invention I would go public via the web with the threats AND the invention! How dare they squelch important discoveries! Good thing they were not around to stop Tesla designing our AC system or we'd probably be in the Dark Ages with Edison's pathetic DC. But they obviously were around to kill his later discoveries....What a bunch of crap. And here we sit with hot soldering irons begging for the missing puzzle pieces. This discovery would be worth any sacrifice to release to the Web....and if they did kill off the inventor the World would know about it. If Stanley Meyers would have given us the secret to his electrolosizer we all would be driving water cars now....sigh.
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Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?
@hartiberlin
SM ?u?erte etwas von mehrfachen frequenzen und einem leichten kurzzeitig erh?hten elektronenflu? am Anfang (also beim Einschalten) in einem Leiter. Aus seinen Aussagen konnte ich aber nicht schlie?en das das etwas mit Elektronenr?hren zu tun hat.
Insgesamt erinnert mich das ganze an den HOPE-Generator von Buschwalker! M?glicherweise sind viele Einzelspulen, aber immer sch?n voneinander getrennt und nicht ?bereinandergewickelt, auf dem Toroid untergebracht, die dann in 3einer bestimmten Anordnung miteinander verbunden werden m?ssen. Na ja, ist nur mal so ein gedanke. Ich Hoffe ja auch das SM noch ein bisschen mehr aus dem N?hk?stchen plaudert. Ich halte es aber auch f?r besser wenn nicht einfach nur ein fertiger Plan hineingestellt wird. Die Leute sollen sich selber auch ein bischen Gedanken machen wie soetwas funktionieren kann.
MfG
rensseak
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Anyone seen the new "Nuts & Volts"? Has a neat article on magnetic amplifiers....(like a tube or a transistor, cept can handle much higher currents) uses an iron core, ferrite toroid, and coils. Thought it kinda fit in this thread.
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Look here for the magnetic amplifier picture:
http://www.nutsvolts.com/toc_Pages/feb06toc.htm
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yes, maybe he is pulsing 2 transformers which are out of phase with short pulses with different frequency bursts
this way, that these "kicks" or pulse output voltage superimpose and then feeds these back from the
secondary to the primary in some way, so that it again gives a feedback loopwhich resonantes and builds
up an oscillation.
I just wonder, when he says, he taps the magnetic field of the earth, why he does
not tap the magnetic field of a permanent magnet ? This would be a much stronger
field to be tapped... hmm...maybe he also used magnets inside his devices to get
more output....
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If I remember the video, wasn't a small magnet used to "start up" the coil?
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This all sounds very similar to Tesla's magic car setup described over in Keely.net. ?The only way we will ever be able to get this technology into production is that we publish the plans far and wide...and make them simple and cheap enough for the basic end-user to use.
In a world where such a device would potentially destroy millions of jobs in one of the most important industries in the G-7, where it could potentially equalize all other countries to the same living standards enjoyed by the G-7....you can understand that the powers that provide money would not be interested in producing such a device. ?It will be up to the thousands of individual inventors to bring this device to their neighborhood, farms, cities. ?Step by step it will take its place in people's lives and at a critical mass point, they will no longer be able to stop, hide, or destroy this technology.
I am confident that Marks device is not a hoax...
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You are correct about a magnet being used to turn on the smalll coil... as he mentioned in his video at the following address:
http://harti.com/coil/coilnew01.avi
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Look here for the magnetic amplifier picture:
http://www.nutsvolts.com/toc_Pages/feb06toc.htm
Here is a explanation of how such things work. Quite interesting stuff: http://avstop.com/AC/apgeneral/MAGNETICAMPLIFIERS.html
It's the magnetic counterpart to the vacuum tube. Somehow this concept reminds me of the MEG or the Coler generator - if you replace the DC winding by a permanent magnet made of the right material. A similar setup can also and has been used as frequency doubler; but I don't have the link at hand at the moment.
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Steven told us:
"In one of the RCA engineering manuals I read that it has been measured in a wire that there exists a slight increase in current when first electrons are caused to flow in it. This was explained because the earth's magnetic field exerted some influence on the wire and the electron flow inside it. Or rather the electrons on the surface of the wire.
Even today you can find examples of discussion of this fact even in non scientific journals.
If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that."
Can anyone think of an experiment to show this kick ?
I have played with lots of coils and the only short kick I have seen, when you
switch a powersupply across a coil is, that in the first new nanoseconds the voltage charges
up the coil?s capacitance and thus a very sharp big current spike is flowing into the coil to
charge up its stray capacitance. But this is just only a very short pulse.
The normal current in a R L circuit after the stray capacitance chargeup is defined by:
i(t)=Imax x (1 -e(^-L/Rxt ))
If we have a permanent magnet field inside the coil from a permanent magnet
or from the earth, what will happen to the current then ?
Probably due to the Lentz law effect the current will rise slower as in the above formular ? Or am I wrong ?
To my understanding this will even slow down the current and not produce a kick..
Or am I wrong with that ?
Or does Steven use the stray capacitance chargeup current "jump-kick" to base his devices on ?
Regards, Stefan.
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"If you look in Morgan Jones book, Valve Amplifiers, 3rd edition, on page 262 he says, The inrush of current through the >filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick."
Has anybody got this book and please can quote the whole paragraph, so we can read some more about this effect ?
Thanks !
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Can anyone think of an experiment to show this kick ?
I have played with lots of coils and the only short kick I have seen, when you
switch a powersupply across a coil is, that in the first new nanoseconds the voltage charges
up the coil?s capacitance and thus a very sharp big current spike is flowing into the coil to
charge up its stray capacitance. But this is just only a very short pulse.
I actually never tested,if this stray capacitance chargeup spike-current
is able to be transformed to the secondary of a transformer secondary coil...?
Hmm...
maybe if we have a transformer and we switch on the primary coil
only for less than 1 millisecond onto a DC powersupply, the
stray capacitance chargeup current spike will be transformed into the
secondary coil of the transformer and also produce there a bigger current spike ("kick") ?
Maybe this current can then via a second transformer be fed back to the first
primary coil and do a feedback loop and thus you only need a small Voltage kick to start it up ?
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Does anyone have this book ?
http://www.powells.com/biblio/4-0750656948-0
Please quote the whole paragraph mentioned.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Here's a link to the table of contents and the index of that book. Wouldn't it be wild if we could do OU with a tube design? :-)
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/reader/0750656948/ref=sib_dp_pt/702-0020475-1077648#reader-page
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Maybe someone scan in the pages from the transfomer section and post it here as a PDF File ?
Or is there somewhere an Ebook available from it ?
Thanks.
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That the stuff!
Now here is some more of what Steven has explained to me.
I have taken some personl stuff out so that we can keep relevant here
Excuse the typos Mine as well !
Dear Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. I have a moment to write you and thought I would do so.
Something that has always bothered me is a statement that was made to me by a gentleman who is the head of a security firm here in the US.
He used to keep track of all the postings on the Internet concerning alternative energy developments.
He mentioned that in almost every other circumstance where a technology has been displayed or discussed, it is usually the demonstration that is discredited. An example would be -- look at all the wires going over the table. They must go to some hidden power source, etc.
However, he mentioned to me that in the case of my technology no one has ever managed to create a credible argument that my technology demonstration was faked. That is why he believes there has been a concerted effort to attack me personally. Some statements trying to discredit the technology were made by what appears to be nit wits and are easily recognized. The following for example:
The inventor claims that the output of the unit is high voltage DC with a frequency component of around 5k Hz.
Then the person trying to discredit me goes on to say that I am trying to fool people because you can't have DC and AC together, etc.
My dear Lindsay, there is something more sinister about some of the simple statements that have been made about my comments on the video tape.
That one statement and others like it were all over the place for while. It appeared as though the person writing it felt it was very important to get his viewpoint across to as many interested people as he could.
Why would that person keep harping about the frequencies not being possible within a DC output power?
I have made a great study of Vacuum tube power supplies as I have told you. It is all very interesting. Please remind me to tell you why Nicola Tesla used Vacuum tubes in his most powerful demonstrations of his power conversion technologies.
Anyway, I have taken a high voltage power supply as follows:
500 v-0-500 v 300 mV plate transformer run it through a full wave silicon circuit then run it through a 5U4 electron tube rectifier. Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
My security man tried to contact the person at his email addresses but with no response. In his opinion it does not seem logical that someone so energetically trying to disprove the validity of my technology would simply never answer any of his e-mail inquires.
What I am trying to say here is that believe I am not the only person who knows about the reality of the technology. There are others who know it can be done and have a desire to see to it that it's application is delayed for as long as possible.
Now about the DC output with AC signal.
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand". I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it. In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!
On to another point.
HE said that one day in his laboratory he was noticing that there were some reactions on his magnetometer for no reason he could understand. The next day he had many magnetometers brought into his laboratory and he began additional research. He found that the measurement of the earth's magnetic field was fairly straightforward. You have a device, which measures a very small magnetic force which comes from the generation of magnetic waves as the big iron ball we call the earth rotates. If you look at a scientific display of the earth you see that it resembles a big power generator. It has poles, a magnetic field, rotation, everything.
Now I am you know that anytime you have a magnetic field moving past a wire you have electron flow in that wire or more precisely on the surface.
So the earth is generating the most unbelievably huge amount of power all the time and we can't tap into it?! I don't believe it! Neither did Nicola Tesla.
He found a way to tap into the earth's power potential and he demonstrated it often.
Did you know that every single one of his patents was purchased by Edison and Westinghouse? He had a very large amount of patents and they purchased all of them but only utilized one for transmitting electric power via 60 cycle AC and step down transformers, which became the standard of power transmission throughout the earth to this day.
Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory. He noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. however one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably. It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn't it?
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless.
He was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow. That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere.
Please let me make another point.
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large useable amounts of power.
By the way, when I met with Dr. Schinzinger many years ago we discussed a point you may find invaluable in your thought processes.
Did you know Lindsay, that it is a scientific impossibility to play a vinyl record with a diamond needle? Well it is. Science tells us that if you were to use a diamond, the hardest natural substance to play the soft groves of a vinyl record you would destroy the record with just one playing, but, as you know that is not the case. They have made millions and millions of vinyl records and people used millions of turntables equipped with diamond needles to play them repeatedly over and over again. How could something that could not possible survive one playing continually be played over and over again?
Science can not explain this. I say that if you run a diamond across a plate of glass you will invariably make a serious scratch in it with very little force, but if you play a vinyl record there is no damage or at least very little discernable wear. Something to think about, isn't it?
The reason the diamond needle phenomenon exists today is because of ignorance. You see when they started making grooved records back in the beginning of this last century they were using cactus needles to play the records. The cactus needles would wear down and need to be sharpened. So enterprising young men came up with steel needles. Unfortunately, they too would wear down and need to be sharpened. Eventually these enterprising men continued to use harder and harder materials eventually arriving at diamond to make their playing needles -- about the hardest thing they could come up with. They didn't know that according to science only one playing of the shellac disk would destroy it. They didn't know so they just kept on making and selling diamond needles for not only shellac disks but the new soft vinyl ones as well..
Trial and error is the best way to make new discoveries. If we rely completely on what we are told by scientists and engineers we will never make any relevant discoveries because we are told not to try, that they are impossible.
Lindsay, I hope that you got something out of all this. I am very tired now and I have to go. I will talk to you again.
Next time I will try not to be all over the page. It is just that I have so much information to convey. It is more important that I get you to understand the concept more then anything else I could convey to you. I am sorry.
Sincerely,
SM
Please Digest this carefully Guys I took me 3 days..and nights to see the significance of all this
Have fun!
Lindsay Mannix
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[...]Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless. [...] He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves.[...]
we do not need to go into wild guesses about natural occuring electric and magnetic currents anymore because, compared with tesla, we have the advance that we can simply meassure and display them. All you need to do is buildung a VLF receiver and feed the signal to a spectrum analyzer. We don't need to speculate about large magnetic waves, because if there are any, we would see them in the frequency plot. See www.vlf.it for more details.
Attached is an example, showing the earth schumann resonances (the strong line is the power distribution system frequency of 50Hz). Natural activity is undenieable present, but very weak, compared with the manmade noises.
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I agree, the thunderstorm magnetic waves output is very low, if you are miles away... so this is probably not the power source for Steven?s devices. Also it is very uncommon, that his output ceases, when he turns the device by 180 degrees and not by 90 degrees, thus I also don?t believe, that it is really powered by the weak magnetic field of the earth ...hmm, maybe he is just tapping the permanent magnet and cools down the core and magnet..but then, why does the output decrease when turned by 180 degrees and not by 90 degrees, which could be more normal...?
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Maybe Steven can just post an experiment we could try to see his effect ? This would take all the guessing out of this thread and we could move on to verify the effect. It must not be the actual device circuit, but just an experiment, which proves the concept and where one could clearly measure some positive results....
Many thanks.
Stefan.
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\"If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.\"
What is the meaning of \"find the circuit potential\"?
maybe all posible free electrons in a wire of x inch?
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Maybe Steven can just post an experiment we could try to see his effect ? This would take all the guessing out of this thread and we could move on to verify the effect. It must not be the actual device circuit, but just an experiment, which proves the concept and where one could clearly measure some positive results....
Many thanks.
Stefan.
Hallo hartiberlin,
schon mal das hier gelesen?
http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm (http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm)
MfG
rensseak
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Hello all,
Have a look at this site with Cook coil generator.
Okay okay, it did not seem to work for Mr. Randall and to be honest I never got it to work either.
But all the same,....have a look:
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm
Just my two pennies.
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Hello again,
An other thing to ponder about,...the Emery coil !
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm
The thing is; dc from coils, and things happening that should not happen (the diamond needle)
Just another two cents.
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Just a short note of appreciation to "SM" and Lindsay. There are probably many more such as myself soaking in this great information. I'm an outdated wanna-be electronics tech that does not remember much so the simplistic teaching style is great Please keep-up the good work!
Rich
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Hello,
looking at this I miss the exact description of how the coil is wound. Does anyone have a diagramm of this
coil ?
Kator
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No circuits or diagrams, he seems to be teaching something much better.....the concept.
Rich
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So does this patent application basically describe this device... or is Steven's device something different.
http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_CH/.cmd/ad/.ar/sa.getBib/.c/6_0_69/.ce/7_0_1ET/.p/5_0_18L/.d/2?selectedTab=ifwtab&isSubmitted=isSubmitted&dosnum=10091863
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This may be presumptious, but I'm fairly certain SM's Power Ring and Perrigo's Accumulator have much in common.
http://rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig~1.htm
Rich
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Hello again,
An other thing to ponder about,...the Emery coil !
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/emery.htm
The thing is; dc from coils, and things happening that should not happen (the diamond needle)
Just another two cents.
This is probably just a measurement error.
If you see, that the small meter is just reflected to6 amps
as he puts it up onto the core, the core magnetism is probably
just deflecting the needle of this small ampmeter.
The lighting of the bulb comes from mechanically removing the magnetized
iron core from the rest of the core and thereby inducing current into the coils
via induction.
It is like opening the core with a permanent magnet.
I am sure the rest is measurement errorsas he also
never tried it with a digital ampmeter to prove it ?!
I think this does not resemble the Marks devices !
Regards, stefan.
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Hello all,
Have a look at this site with Cook coil generator.
Okay okay, it did not seem to work for Mr. Randall and to be honest I never got it to work either.
But all the same,....have a look:
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm
Just my two pennies.
Yes, maybe the Marks device is something simular to this,
who knows..
Maybe Steven got something towork, which Randall did not get to work ?
As Steven posted, it must be very special components and the circuits
are dangerous to experiment with cause High Voltage is involved it will
be much better, if he would send us an example, how to see the basic effect
in an experiment, so that if the effect is seen by independent researchers we can
build up onto this and design our own scaled up version to extract useful output.
But we first have to see the real effect in an experiment. All posted until now
is too vague to begin experimenting. So Steven, if you read this, maybe you
can point us into the right direction, so some can start experimenting.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Recitation from Jim Rendalls Cook-coil page:"I have not built this."
Anything what is not build can not be approved !
Sincerely
? ? ? ? ? ? de Lanca
p.s.:very ridiculous the use of the GB151309(Parfitt) as reference for the Molina-Martinez device !
Meyer-Mace(FR2680613),Zielinski(WO) or Yebda(FR2809241) would be a better explaination !
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Maybe someone who owns the book can scan in the pages from the Valve tubes book and post it over here ?
So we would have an example of what it says.
Thanks.
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Hi all,
Please be patient and read this very carefully
Please do not make assumptions but realise that this is the results of your interest
Steven has been aprehensive anout every body building things before understanding them
I know that it is double edged
Lindsay Mannix
Dearest Lindsay,
I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. I have read you latest letter.
What Web site went down?
I am sorry that you had the experience with your associates in your workplace, but I have found that to be basic human nature, unfortunately. it is a shame really. However, your personal experience gives you an understanding of all the problems I have had to face in my life.
I hope to come to meet with you one day if Paul will permit.
Thank you for the song. I can not download to the PC here, however i did load it on to a magzip and will enjoy it when I can get to a private PC.
You mention that you find the inertial effects of my technology as being interesting to you. All I can say is, MY GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA JUST HOW INTERESTING!!!
Do you remember our brief discussion about if it could provide a motive force?
I am not sure if I should comment more at this time. It is not that I am apprehensive about you, it is that I am pleased with what we have managed to get away with so far without intervention by higher sources. So why tempt them too much.
I have read more of Stefan's web site postings about my technology and I can see much good coming from it all.
Some of them are almost right on.
You have not posted all of my letters to you?
Have you posted some of the engineers reports I sent to you?
Did I send you Dr. Schinzinger first report?
Let me know your thoughts?
I would like to answer a few questions I have read on Stefan's web site..
I would like to mention Stefan and Freedom fuel and Bushwacker and Mica individually but instead I will just make statements that can be relevant to whomever as needed.
First of all:
1 There are several parts of the power unit which have patents. Remember that the power unit technology is owned by the UEC corporation and I have to be very careful about not stepping on their toes. I am not afraid of them or anything like that. It is just that they are the legitimate owners of the patents and most of the research ect. I would not like to break my trust with them.
However, I can, and will give to all of you as much information as I can. I believe that I will be able to give you enough information to begin research on your own. I just have to pass it in front of my attorney first so I do not get myself into trouble, that's all.
2 I will in time give out a basic Hardware diagram which you may find helpful.
3 No I will not publish a schematic diagram of the control circuit. It is proprietary information owned and controlled by the UEC corporation, so I won't go there.
4 I will tell you about my initial experiments and what Electron tube circuits I used to control the frequencies that gave us our significant breakthroughs way back when.
5 Yes, Stefan I do intend to point you in the right direction. You deserve at least that much for all of the good effort you have put forth for so long. And especially your kindness to me.
6 About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!
7 The patents are in several segments pertaining only to the control units not the collector coil itself, so I will send you examples of the hardware diagrams. however, I do not have access to a PC at all times so it will take some time for me to be able to scan things and send them off, be patient please. Also I am not spending all my time sitting in front of a PC reading and sending. I must travel to a public place in order to safely send any information at all.
8 YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors.. Study the strange factors.
9 Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things. But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power unit.
10 We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was called, the Magnetic shadow casting material? No it wasn't some kind of paint. But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet! We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments. I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit.
11 Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?
they are not . . .they can't be.
12 Who ever it was that said there might be possibly military applications for this technology is a very wise man. We believe that is probably the primary government interest followed by the ever popular oil industry trying to stop it.
13 I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However, they do look like it. And some of what you said is not far off at all.
14 Both Freedomfuel and bushwacker have good and relevant points.
15 Yes there is an inertia.
16 Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on. Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect. They seam to resist being moved through the air. When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced. Some of you should think about that.
17 Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM
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ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD.
Report on Test of Energy Device
At the request of Mr. Richard Mincherton I was present on October 28th at a test demonstration of a device that its inventor claims will produce electric power without measurable energy input except as derived from the earth'? magnetic and gravitational fields. The test was conducted at the inventor's home. I was allowed to bring and use measuring instruments, but because the inventor had to leave after
1 ? hours, I was not able to conduct independent tests on my own.
Based on my observations, I can attest to the fact that the three models of the device displayed and tested on that day did indeed light up one, two and six light bulbs (each rated at 100 watt and 120 volt) respectively. This was less then the figures quoted to me before the test, but still adequate to demonstrate that the devices function in some fashion. The smallest unit produced 140 to 150 volts unloaded and 60 to 90 volts when lighting one 100-watt bulb.
The mid-sized unit produced 250 volts unloaded,
and was observed producing
142 Volts at .5 Ampere after 30 minutes of lighting two bulbs.
The largest unit produced 798 Volts unloaded. With a six-bulb load the voltage dropped to 420 Volts.
It was difficult to determine how many hours the devices may be able to operate because the inventor ended the demonstration after 1 ? hours.
I could not detect any time-varying magnetic field that might have provided an external energy input.
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance.
October 29, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
RESUME ROLAND SCHINZINGER
Dept. of Electrical and Computer Engineering (UCI)
Professor Emeritus of Electrical Engineering (UCI)
PhD, Univ. California, Berkeley 1966
MS, ? 1954
BS, ? 1953
Westinghouse Design School / U. of Pittsburgh 1955
Apprenticeship (Technikum), Bosch Co. 1947
High School (Doitsu Gakuin, Tokyo, Abitur) 1945
Academic Appointments:
(UCI) Associate Dean 1979-83, 1985-86
(UCB)Teaching Fellow 1963-65
Robert College Istanbul Turkey:
Associate Professor 1962-63
Associate Professor 1958-62
University of California, energ. & Mgt. (Grad Program) 1991-92
California State Polytechnic University 1978-80
University of Santa Maria, Brazil 1993
University of Kariruhe, Germany-
Power and High Voltage Institute 1986
University of Manchester Inst. Of Science and Tech.-
And Imperial College, London: 1972-73
Honors:
Fellow, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Eng.,(IEEE)
Fellow, Institute for the Advancement of Engineering
Award for Contributions to Professionalism (IEEE)
1983 Centennial Medal (IEEE)
Science Faculty Fellow (Natl. Sc. Foundation) 1964-65
Sangamo Prize Fellowship (Sangamo Electric) 1953
Honor Societies HKN, TBN, Sigma xi
Listed in ?Who?s Who, Am. Men & Women in Science and Engineering
Publications:
Over 70 technical papers, plus numerous reports and commentaries.
Also four books: Ethics in Engineering McGraw-Hill
Conformal Mapping P.A.Laura
Emergencies in Water Delivery Davis Pub.
Electrical Laboratory SIMA Ltd.
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Hmm, what is still intriguing to me is, that when the device is rotated by 180 degrees, the output decreases much and is going down.
Maybe it is some kind of Lentz law defying tansformer setup, where he controls via a 90degrees phase shift driver about 4 coils, so he has a rotating magnet field on his core. Maybe he switches on his unit via a small magnet via a Reed Relay, which can be seen in coil01.avi
If you turn the device around by 180 degrees, the rotation direction will also change from clockwise to counterclockwise, so this could be an example, why it might be important to have the right spinning direction of the fields to get output at all ! hmm, but I still wonder if he can do it without a control circuit at all... I guess also inside the small ring that there is a small controll circuit, which drives all the coils and transformers and which is probably 9 Volt battery powered. But he probably has achieved an OU transformer, which only needs very low input power and outputs at least 1000:1 more than inputed...
Any further hints would be very apreciated.. Regards, Stefan.
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If he turns his device by 180 degrees and the output goes down, then it seems to matter, in which spinning direction he is cutting the earth magnetic fields , or am I wrong ? What could be still a different reason for this ? What puzzles me is, that he is demoing it above some measurement equipment, where the case is probably made of iron so it would shield any earth magnetic field... so why does the output decrease when it is turned by 180 degrees ?
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I believe you are looking at the earths magnetic field incorrectly. The field runs from from pole to pole, not straight out from the axis and into space so he could probably run this thing on top of a car and it not effect the operation. Another guess is the closer to the north or south pole the device is operated, the more power is produced since the fields are more concentrated.
Rich
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is this the mentioned UEC corporation ?
http://www.uecus.com/aboutus.htm
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Lives with his girlfriend in the
Philippines,
wife and two children , live in Irvine, CA, has not practised law in 20 years. Peninsula Court
Bldg, Suit 413, Metro Manila Phone 011-63-2-810-9284/8945358. Ah
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I have watched the video again today and the unit which is shown without the tape wrapped around it,
which powers the 2
standing lamps.
In this unit one can ?clearly see, that there are several short turn coils
wrapped around the lower side of the toroidal core.
So I guess, if this unit is producing a rotating magnet field it must
be controlled by a 90 degrees phase shifted sine wave or other 90 degrees
phase shifted wave, like a square wave or something simular.
Let us assume he uses 4 driver coils each 90 degrees space apart,
each on a quarter legof the toroid and each pair is controlled with a 90 degrees
phase shifted sine wave oscillator, powered by a single 9 Volts battery.
With this he could generate a rotating magnet field inside the core !
How then can you design the output coil or coils to extract more energy than
you put into the 4 phase shifted driver coils ?
Any idea ?
Maybe the output coils are located beneath the low turn windings
driver coils and have more turns ?
How could these be wired to violate lentz law and defy the transformer
principle ?
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Please all, let us concentrate when you post here in this thread
onto just the technical details. Please no flamewars.
Thanks.
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Please can somebody post an experiment,
where one can see, that a current impulse in a conductor is
amplified via the earth magnet field ?
How could one design a circuit which would show this ?
I can?t see how this should work.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Lebt Klaus Rassbach noch,Herr Stefan Hartmann ?
Addresse:Berlin
Hoeflichst und mit aller gebietenden Hochachtung
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?de Lanca
p.s.:Hanna Albert Awad,irgendwo im Libannon(Ajaltoun,Kerouan),
mindestens ein Anruf wert
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I thought I would chime in with my 2 cents on this subject. :D
Two things I think are very important here.... and I could be wrong... ;) (ask me about routing IP traffic and I'm 100%)
#1 In one of the videos Steven say's that the device is resonating at about 7.4 cycles per second.
#2 The continued references to tubes.
Tesla used a device to power an electric motor (in a car) that used vaccum tubes to amplify his source - which was apparently the resonant frequency of Schuman cavity.
I'd also like to add my 'hurumph!' to the notion that education might hold some of you back from a revelation in this matter. If Tesla used technology from 100 years ago to tap the aether... all we can really be sure of is that it can be done with that technology.
So my contention is that there is 100 years of technology branching away from the truth and towards the constraints put in place by evil men with greed as their motive.
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ROLAND SCHINZINGER PhD.
Report on Test of Energy Device
After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance.
October 29, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
So here is what i have found out 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 10
inch wood former . there are capacitors but no info on them. I have used a
14 inch wheel plastic wheel trim with 22 turns of lamp wire and ,wavin a
magnet over the coil gives a rf output which i have not been able to explain
yet.
Hallo Lindsay,
look like there is no iron involved to the core of the coil!? It seems to be important, or not?
greetings
Norbert K??ner
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Speaking of turbines: http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm
I've often wondered if placing a number of cores north to south and somehow pulsing them to the earth frequency would form a blocking effect of the field. If the 1st core were to block the field from the second, this may cause the second core to charge 180 degrees out of phase which would then pulse the third core...... but how could even consider looping something like this is beyond me. Unless the turbine effect is more of a partial field blocking which allows it to step around the torroid, which would also mean that some windings would be 100% output and others only a partial.
I believe Hendershots first self runner had to be aligned south to north which could indicate an in-line coring system versus the torroid which would always place a couple of windings (when wound like petals on a flower) in a north-south configuration. Just thinking out loud....
Rich
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So here is what i have found out 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 10
inch wood former . there are capacitors but no info on them. I have used a
14 inch wheel plastic wheel trim with 22 turns of lamp wire and ,wavin a
magnet over the coil gives a rf output which i have not been able to explain
yet.
Where did this info come from Lindsay ?
Why does there come up an RF burst, when waiving a magnet over this
coil ?
How did you measure it ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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You just read the quote info of my posting!
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Grin
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Yes ,
That was a very early experiment It was RF pickup !
I had to hold the magnet ..it was thru my body!
That Info came from somebody who spoke to somebody who saw the cross section that was cut from the coil.
The Rf source turned out to be a plastic welderacros the road . It it strange that somebody would respond to that now after all these years.
I had even forgotten that I posted that!
By the way it was years ago and your reference gives the impressin that it was yesterday!
I hope you can see how mis leading this could be
Lindsay Mannix
To bad, no answer of my question!
Today i was reading about magnet resonanz imaging and how it works. Maybe the cork like core is a organic material and because of pleacing a magnet it gives a stronger signal from the Schumannfrequenz.
Unfortunately I do not have measuring instruments, therefore i can only guess.
Norbert
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Freedom fuel,
Thank you for your insights.
First of all the sebcar.
I did not discover any overunity as such in the sebcar...but.
One of the effects was that many people had trouble with the adjustment pot smoking up!
This could possibly have been external.
The sebcar was a fun project that was a bit outside the box so to speak.
Perhaps using the sebcar system with air turbine coils could be fun to?
another project that looked interesting was the tep project at jlnaudins site.
Just going thru what steven had told me
I do suggest that people who are not familiar with rf and the burns that can be had do not mess with this.
The coils get hot. THis problem has not been resolved. It apparently due to the windings moving.
Think of the ouput as dc (pulsed)5khz with lots of Hash in it.
When it is unloaded the voltage climbs substantially and I do not mean a spike. it lasts for several seconds and is a good third higher.
Steven calls it the turbine effect.
The large coils have control units (as seen) the small coils have the control unit mounted on the inside edge of the coil and they do have to be inside the coil.
Here is something interesting from Steven.
It has been a very long road from beginning to end. It took several years of experimentation to discover what frequencies and most importantly how to make small integrated circuits work to perform the control functions necessary to make the demonstrations you see on the video tapes available today.
So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the power generator. I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute.
Perhaps a story which had impact on me at that time was told to me by my boss way back in 1970 I believe it was.
He told me that around 1965 or 66 there was an explosion in an apartment in Chicago. the authorities had concluded that for some unknown reason, a General Electric color television receiver had been the source of an explosion that killed a young black child in the apartment. My boss went on to relate that he was involved in the investigation because he was in Chicago at the time and he was invaluably experienced with television circuits and etc.
He told us that what they found was, the TV had exploded with some quick furry. The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front but sparred his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen.
The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals necessary to create the explosion. It appeared that the TV was the exact center of the explosion, however no one could find a reason for the explosion occurring. Also consider that there is not really much inside a TV to explode with enough force to kill people and destroy the living room a large apartment. Yes a CRT can explode and kill someone, however this was not the kind of explosion we are talking about. The most interesting part of the story is that according to our boss, metallic objects especially those containing large amounts of iron were dramatically displaced. He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and pulled toward the TV set. When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws! Everything in the room appeared to have moved or was moving toward the TV as it exploded, or imploded as the case may be. The child was apparently killed by way of these metallic objects traveling through his body on their way toward the center of the TV set.
As far as my boss knew, there was never a good explanation for the occurrence. We found out that this was not the only unexplained explosion of TV sets worldwide. However, the fact that all the sets exploded while in operation may bear some light. Also most of the TV sets were made by the GE company or were TV sets made using GE circuits and of similar design.
However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his own theory which he never told anyone as far as i know, except me. His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . . Now that is something I have thought about a great deal.
My employer's words had great impact on me. Not that they meant anything really, but I kept thinking about the possibility of many frequencies combining at one moment in time to produce an entirely different effect then intended by the designers. And so it goes. Some of the reasons why I thought about things the way I did and perhaps why I set out to think along the lines I did when I discovered the power generator technology. Or more appropriately, the power converter technology, because that is actually what it does you know.
Sincerely,
SM
Thats about all I have for now.
As long as this stays relevant and in Stevens interest I will continue to post.
There is something that I must add here. Steven has had no convictions of any kind..search the net for effects
search for blowing up tv sets find a clue to unusual effects.
I do wonder why people chose not to use their actual names.
Sincerely
Lindsay Mannix
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Hmm, very strange this "magnetically-imploding" tv set...
Well, if indeed nails were removed from the wall and were accelerated into the direction
of the TV-set, then the magnetic flux density must
have reached at least 100 Tesla or more ! I can?t imagine, how this could have happened
just in a old TV-set. There must have been forces at work, which have not been
created by the normal 60 AC supply.
Such forces would have needed at least a few 100 KWatts of power to generate
just a huge magnetic field. The fuse of the appartment would have been
blown, if this power would have been drawn from the grid socket...
A loose transformer contact in the TV set could have caused just a burnup
of some components, but not such a Mega-Watts requirement magnetic field !
Hmm, indeed, very strange...
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http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
This is the mentioned animated GIF pic of a toroidal core being powered
by a DC supply and changing the taps where the power supply is applied.
Remember, that the 2 partial-coils are in repelling mode, so the magnet fields
wil move out of the core inside the center.
This same configuration can be got, if you use 2 pairs of coils ( 4 coils all in all) located
90 degrees apart
on a toroidal core and control them with a 90 degrees phase shifted sine generator.
This way you can avoid any mechanical switching and also get the same rotating field.
Now I read, that the control circuit must be inside the big coils in the bigger units and
that the bigger units only contained cork and wires.... Now the question is,
how is the big outer coil wounded ? Is it wounded around its axis or is it wound like a toroidal
transfomer ? Are there many coils around the cork core or just one or 2 or 4 ?
If it is a selfrunning system as it appears to be, there must be some kind
of feedback loops, so the system can oscillate up and feed itsself.
But the small 2 toroidal coils ontop of this plastic box, can they generate such a big field,
that the outer big coil on the cork toroidal core can have enough induction
to generate a feedback loop ?
It is a pretty huge airgap so to say...
Hmm, we really need more info before we can try to setup an experiment
to prove any effects...
Regards, Stefan.
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Who is Klaus Rassbach ?
I don?t know him...
Lebt Klaus Rassbach noch,Herr Stefan Hartmann ?
Addresse:Berlin
Hoeflichst und mit aller gebietenden Hochachtung
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?de Lanca
p.s.:Hanna Albert Awad,irgendwo im Libannon(Ajaltoun,Kerouan),
mindestens ein Anruf wert
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These latest comments about inspiration for the device are interesting. Even more so considering that Tesla worked for RCA in the early years of TV. It is said he worked under a different name... and I have no confirmation of the one source... but interesting.
About the TV exploding... I wonder what kind of antenna setup they had on it. Back in the day, it was not uncommon to use rabbit ears with aluminum foil sheets connected to the ears. I'm sure people used all sorts of metal and the like.
It's possible that a set of power amplified rabbit ears got screwy and electronically enlarged the antenna to such a size that it was able to draw a greater source of energy than regular broadcast waves.
If you like that theory... let's talk about how Bushwacker's HOPE might work. :)
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Oh yeah... Aluminum amplifies signals at certain frequencies.
"30 db amplification at 2.6 Ghz and a 20 db amplification at 1.2 Ghz"
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
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>You mention that you find the inertial effects of my technology as being interesting to you. All I can say is, MY GOD YOU HAVE NO IDEA JUST >HOW INTERESTING!!!?
I can imagine that.
An all solid state electronic circuit that has inertia and would want to resist movement like
a spinning gyroscop would be very interesting !
>Do you remember our brief discussion about if it could provide a motive force?
>I am not sure if I should comment more at this time.
Yes, if the frequencies are changed probably it could also generate an unidirectional force
defying Newston?s 3rd law.
>I would like to answer a few questions I have read on Stefan's web site..
>I would like to mention Stefan and Freedom fuel and Bushwacker and Mica individually but instead I will just make statements that can be relevant >to whomever as needed.
>First of all:
>1.? ? There are several parts of the power unit which have patents. Remember that the power unit technology is owned by the UEC corporation >and I have to be very careful about not stepping on their toes. I am not afraid of them or anything like that. It is just that they are the legitimate >owners of the patents and most of the research ect. I would not like to break my trust with them.
>However, I can, and will give to all of you as much information as I can. I believe that I will be able to give you enough information to begin >research on your own. I just have to pass it in front of my attorney first so I do not get myself into trouble, that's all.
That is okay with us.
>2.? ? I will in time give out a basic Hardware diagram which you may find helpful.
That would be very nice. At least a basic instruction how to see the basic "noise" effect inside
a transformer or something liks this, so we can see, that there is indeed a bigger spike
pulse coming out of a small excitation pulse.
>3? ? No I will not publish a schematic diagram of the control circuit.
>It is proprietary information owned and controlled by the UEC corporation, so I won't go there.
Okay, sure.
>4? ? I will tell you about my initial experiments and what Electron tube circuits I used to control the frequencies that gave us our significant >breakthroughs way back when.
Yes, maybe we can try first the basic effects and lean from thereon forward.
>5? ? Yes, Stefan I do intend to point you in the right direction.
>You deserve at least that much for all of the good effort you have put forth for so long. And especially your kindness to me.
Many thanks I appreciate it very much.
>6? ? About the Flame like Discharge. Yes it does cause RF burns. I was going to tell about that, but I decided to wait and see how long it would take one of you to realize this on your own. Bravo!
Yes, it looks like some ofthe flames I could draw with my 2000 Volts DC battery power supplies, when
drawing arcs with it via the Newman coil.
As your output seems to be chopped DC with an RF noise superimposed on it, this is simular to what
I have seen.
>7? ? The patents are in several segments pertaining only to the control units not the collector coil itself,
>so I will send you examples of the hardware diagrams.
>however, I do not have access to a PC at all times so it will take some time for me to be able to scan things and send them off, be patient please. >Also I am not spending all my time sitting in front of a PC reading and sending.
>I must travel to a public place in order to safely send any information at all.
Okay, this is very kind of you. Looking forward to see the information.
>8.? ? YES, torodial transformers have some very weird factors..? Study the strange factors.
Yes, we should do this.
>9? ? Your interest in the harmonic resonance is also stepping toward the right direction of things.
>But then again it depends on your viewpoint about exactly what harmonic resonance is
>and how it relates to mag fields and converting energy as does my power unit.
I see.
>10? ? We have done a great deal of experimentation with permanent magnets with some very astounding results.
>I could stop now and start over again with that subject alone. Has anyone ever read any of the reports about our experiments with what was >called, the Magnetic shadow casting material?
What is the Magnetic shadow casting material? ?Have not heard about this yet ...
>No it wasn't some kind of paint.
> But you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!
>We went through about ten thousand dollars worth of Neodymium and
>Super Cobalt 404 magnetic material in our experiments.
>I could write volumes of information about that stuff. Those experiments tie in to our development of the power unit.
Would be very interested to hear about that too !
>11? ? Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?
>they are not . . .they can't be.
How many dimensions do you think they have ?
>12? ? Who ever it was that said there might be possibly military applications for this technology is a very wise man. We believe that is probably the >primary government interest followed by the ever popular oil industry trying to stop it.
Can imagine, that the black projects are already a few years ahead of us.
As they are so top secret I could imagine the oil industry does not know
of them either. But as they are so top secret they are also not used
yet, only for top secret military demonstration, I guess...
>13? ? I am sorry, they are not piezo stacks. However, they do look like it. And some of what you said is not far off at all.
>14? ? Both Freedomfuel and bushwacker have good and relevant points.
>15? ? Yes there is an inertia.
>16? ? Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
>Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation,
>the units have a definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
>They seam to resist being moved through the air.
>When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
> Some of you should think about that.
Very intersting ! Seems to be like a solid state gyroscop !
>17? ? Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that.
>If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball.
>And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
Hmm, the ball is turning right or in the other case left around.
Hmm, why would this change the output power ?
Does it need to turn counter wise to the earth magnet field
or the earth rotation to cut their magnet field ?
But to my understanding the earth has a about 30 to 40 uTesla
strong STATIC magnetic field in every place or does it vary much ?
>I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
>Sincerely,
>SM
Steven , many thanks, I hope you can give us more infos and we appreciate
it very much.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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If you look closer again to this picture:
http://harti.com/coil/energycoil44.jpg
you can see, that there are probably 4 coils
wound on each of the 2 control circuit toroids
ontop of the box inside the big coil in the center.
If these 2 toroids have counter rotating magnets fields
like in
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
but every toroid has a different rotating direction, so one is
clockwise and the other counter clockwise, there would
buildup indeed an interesting interference moiree pattern
in a magnetic field around it.
Maybe the bigger outer toroid just catches this moiree magnetic
pattern and converts it to output energy ?
Or does it make sense, if the 2 smaller inner toroids have the
same rotation direction with their magnetic fields somehow ?
Regards, Stefan.
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Hallo Zusammen,
bin neu hier und hatte gestern Abend eine verr?ckte Theorie die ich hier mal vorstellen wollte. Bekomme den Text leider nicht auf Englisch hin.
Zu meiner Theorie:
Jeder kennt ja das Ph?nomen einer vollen Badewanne wenn man den St?psel am Abfluss zieht. Es entsteht ein Strudel, der sich nach unten hin verj?ngt und somit beschleunigt.
Vielleicht arbeitet Steven Marks Ger?t wie eine Art Abfluss f?r das Erdmagnetfeld, wobei der Abfluss ein Konverter ist, der die magnetischen Felder in f?r uns nutzbare elektrische Energie umwandelt.
Wird das Ger?t gestartet entsteht durch den "Abfluss" des Erdmagnetfeldes ein magnetischer Wirbelsturm. ?hnlich wie in der Badewanne verj?ngt sich dieser nach unten hin und wird beschleunigt und dann im Ger?t gewandelt.
Das schwache Erdmagnetfeld wird auf diese weise konzentriert und somit nutzbar.
Jeder Wirbelsturm hat im Zentrum das so genannte "Auge" in dem nicht sehr viel passiert, vielleicht erkl?rt das den Aufbau des Ger?tes.
In dem 180MB Video wird bei 32min 40sek ein Ger?t auf den Kopf gestellt, was daraufhin seinen Betrieb einstellt. Eine Erkl?rung daf?r w?re vielleicht das jeder Wirbelsturm eine bevorzugte Drehrichtung hat, beeinflusst durch die Corioliskraft.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corioliskraft . Vielleicht stimmt hier die bevorzugte Drehrichtung nicht mehr mit der der elektrischen Schaltung des Ger?tes ?berein.
Wie gesagt nur ne verr?ckte Theorie, aber vielleicht ist ja was dran?
shadow
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Hi Shadow, that is a very interesting idea, that you compare the bath tube vortex
in the water, when you release the water from the bath tube with this
magnetic vortex, which might be here at play with the Marks device.
Maybe Marks is really just creating a vortex inside the center of the big
coil with his 2 small toroidal coils and thus attracts a 3 dimensional
magnetic vortex which whirles into the center and thus "charges" all
the time the output outer coil ?
But then I wonder how the small units work as they don?t have exiter
coils inside the center of the toroid ?
Maybe also the skin effects works positively if used in a vortex excitation
sequence ?
Will the skin effect then add current into the system when used in a vortex condition
or will it also break and drag the current down ?
Regards, Stefan.
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Each magnet symbolizises the vortex-effect,"Wirbel,Strudel,Spirale" !
Sincerely
? ? ? ? ? ? de Lanca
p.s.: The magnet gives the same graphical image like the (plasma) fusion process,why ?
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The exploding TV might have been tuned to some program that really sucked, such as "The Waltons." ;-)
This would account for the material drawn toward the set. That show has produced anomalous TV receiver
behavior in at least one other case, the David Hamel account.
http://www.rense.com/general58/UFOencounterfuels30yr.htm
Do these ring devices work inside a closed metal enclosure? (Faraday cage)
Possible experiment: start a ring + bulb out in the open, then slowly lower it into a nonferrous metal barrel,
then finally put a metal cap atop it to form a closed shell. If the energy source is nonlocal, the
device should shut down, probably even before it fully enters the barrel.
If the energy source is truly local, it might keep running inside the sealed enclosure. In this state, it might do
something unusual to the space within the enclosure such as: (clueless newbie speculations...)
1. Changing the physical constants of the space, such as lightspeed, permittivity, and permeability.
2. Making crushing or bulging forces on the enclosure walls, would expect crushing from simple "ZPE pressure" idea.
3. Change in weight, would expect loss.
Calorimetry might be revealing, a local system might have exactly zero net heat production or absorption.
A possible transformer anomaly is the Poynting vector near one. Consider a simple nearly-ideal transformer
consisting of a nonconductive toroidal (donut shaped) high-permeability core, with small primary and secondary
windings of a few turns each on opposite sides of the core. The secondary is connected to a load and the primary
to an AC source by two-wire "lamp cord" style transmission lines. Now look at the Poynting vector
P = ExH in a few places. It is supposed to represent a flow of energy and momentum ("stuff") as carried by the
fields. E is the electric field, H the magnetic "intensity," which is just the magnetic field with a scale factor.
Magnetic flux density or field B
Magnetic "intensity" H
Permeability u (should be Greek mu, but I have an Ugly American (Yankistani) keyboard)
B = uH, for ideal core, u is very large, for air, u is small.
Between the wires of the lamp cord, one sees E directed between the wires, and H perpendicular to E, so P points
down the wires toward the load as expected, "stuff" is oozing down the gap between the wires, leaving the
AC source and eventually entering the load.
Now look between turns of the primary winding. E is directed between the turns, in nearly the same direction as H.
Also H is present inside the winding, but should largely vanish outside it. The P vector seems to quietly vanish
into the winding. The secondary winding is similar.
Now look inside the core material away from the windings. H is directed along the core, E loops around it,
so P "throbs" in and out normal to the core surface. Just outside the core material, H mostly vanishes, so P
should also, giving a discontinuity at the core surface. (The equivalent "surface current" from magnetic domains
in the core may account for this, acting as a source and sink.) In the space outside the core and windings,
P is largely absent.
There does not seem to be a P flux crossing the space between the windings, no transport of "stuff". In a
strongly-coupled transformer, the fields inside the core do not change very much when the load is changed,
the fields do not seem to reflect the energy flow through the transformer. How does the "stuff" get from
one winding to the other? (I am probably missing something really obvious here, I haven't quite got the
hang of this electric stuff yet.)
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>If the radio signal is too strong the radio receiver might be overloaded and distortion or
>other bad effects will take place. By tuning slightly off frequency we can weaken the
>signal the radio is receiving >and amplify and produce the sound for entertainment purposes.
>However, the music will not be of high quality. The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc.
>OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
>Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
>No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying
>to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
>But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact
>that radio waves need to be amplified before they can be of any use to us.
>My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning
>them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency
>the more power you permit the collector >to dissipate into a load.
I see, until here this all relates to a resonance condition for LC circuits.
>the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use.
>In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the
>collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
Now this is the most interesting part.
This means that you must supply the right frequencies to the coils
that match their physical shape and length ?
Or does it just depend also of the used length of the circumference of the core ?
>You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because
>the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.?
So the signal source sees no load in this setup , if you draw a few hundred Watts out ofthe collector coil ?
>It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of
>power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.
>We instead must >deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make
>the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
>The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. >that is why the control
>units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the
>frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the
>whole thing off exact >conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
Okay, this makes sense and is the bridge that? collapsed due to much wind excitation and was destroyed this way... That is just a resonance catastropy.
>By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation?
No, I don?t know this. Does Lindsay has a video tape of it he could post ?
> Notice that when I first turn the unit on that the compass starts to spin very slowly.
>it >speeds up faster and faster until it just stops.
>When it stops the unit is always operating at about it's design >maximum.
>We never found out why any of this occurred. It tended to reinforce what I observed as the turbine effect.
>When the unit is shut off the compass starts to revolve again and slowly comes to >a rest.
Hmm, maybe the freqency gets just too fast for the mechanical compass to follow it.
Then the compass needle stalls and gets to a rest at too high frequencies.
As the frequency comes down, the compass needle can again catch up and
restarts and slows down in sync with the singnal source.
Now, my most important question is:
Does the frequency run up controlled by your control circuit or is it due to some kind
of selfresonance and/or? your "current kick" inductions ?
If we go from a 4 coils on a toroid core spinning field like this
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
how is this? frequency windup done? ?
Is this done via your control circuit ?
On the contrary: If we would wind 4 normal coils onto a toroidal core and just use a 4 x 90 degrees phase driver to
drive it this way, that it keeps the flux inside the core, a compass needle would not move inside
the core center,cause the whole flux stays inside the core, so the setup must really by like in
http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif
where the flux comes out of the core cause 2 coil pairs always repell the flux out of the core...
>By the way, the fire discharge everyone sees in the video is after the output of the device is
>switched through a large high value resister! I hope that will wake up a few of you to the danger potentials.
Yes,there must be quite some power behind it as you can also see, that it can light about 8 to 10 x 100 Watt bulbs, so
so around 1 KWatt power from it from this small converter is pretty powerful....!
>Stefan is quite correct about the amount of power necessary to pull the nails out of the
>walls during the GE color television explosion in Chicago. Actually? Dr. Schinzinger
> told me that it would have >required much more power then that.
Yes,I can imagine this.
Is there any more info about this accidebt on the web available ?
Maybe we can study the circuit diagramm of this special TV set and see, when one
component fails, what could then happen ?
Did the tv electron-beam yoke, which reflects the elecron beam become
a rotating toroid converter ?
I could only imagine, that this unit, which normally also sits on
some kind of core was running away in frequency and might have catched up
the right frequencies which are required to get such a selfresonating state ?
I wonder, why it could then produce the huge magnet fields and did? not
smoke up earlier before it reached 100 Teslas or more
to pull out the nails from the walls ?
Normally the coils would have already burnt up, when they have produced
1 Tesla or less if too high current would have passed through them...
>We theorized that the TV set must have become for a split second, a
>power unit very similar in operation to one of my own making.
>Except for the fact that it wouldn't have been designed to collect >and convert the available power in a useful way.
>Instead, the TV just stumbled for one millisecond on the correct combination of
>frequencies necessary to cause the phenomenon of magnetic collection.
>But unfortunately the TV set had no way to control the function and began to absorb and
>discharge both the electric and magnetic factors caused by the influence of the strong field.
Hmm, I guess ithas needed more than a few milliseconds to remove the nails from the wall...
This is just all speculation only ....We just don?t know and an exact? report is not available...
>It was during this discussion with Dr. Schinzinger that he pointed out that during an atomic explosion aside from the gigantic
>blast wave and heat produced there is also an extremely large magnetic force which is so strong that it travels way out
>into space during the explosion. The magnetic wave is so strong that it will >completely destroy any
>unprotected electronic circuits of solid state design. That is why solid state radios will be useless
>after an nuclear attack on your country. Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from
>when you explode an atomic bomb. It is just created? Is it converted? Is it part of the earth somehow?
>Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into pieces in a fragment of a second?
> I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes from during an atomic explosion...
>It is something else to think about. perhaps in connection with my power technology. Dr. Schinzinger
> said that it is explained as being the result of the splitting of the atom.
>However, that is a very short explanation and not really a satisfactory explanation of what
>generates the force. He agreed with me and said it would also mean that in reality we
> know very little about magnetic fields and magnetic property.
Hmm, yes, interesting, but I am now more confused as before.
Now is the control circuit winding up the frequencies or is this done by selfresonation or what is going on there ?
And how are the coils wound onto the core and must the core? be magnetic itsself like a ferrit core or is itreally a cork core ?
And what does it have to do with the earth magnetic field giving a kick to the currents ?
I rather would firstly like to have a basic experiment, where we can prove, that the magnet field
of the earth can really work as a negative resistance and propell the electrons in a circuit...
this is what you first claimed was the propelling source of your circuit.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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I've gone over this thread more than once, and maybe I'm missing something. :)
But before I read one more post waxing-poetic about the little engine who could... haha (no offense) I would like to see some actual power come out of the device. :)
I've seen voltage - but anyone can transform 60v out of a weak source. Where are the ampheres?
The gyroscopic effect? It's spinning. So?
I can understand hiding the design... though I wouldn't hide anything... but I cannot understand the length of this discussion about a device that has not been clearly shown to produce real power.
This forum is made up of many different types of people. There are engineers who think in formulas and specifics (show me a drawing!) and there are people like me, who are abstract thinkers, who perceive with abstract thought. But we all have the same goal (hopefully) and that is to deliver power to the people for free.
I understand that when a device shows *promise* the tendancy is to try and decide how it might work and to start calculating... and I think sometimes the engineers get so focused on the math that they cannot see the forest for the trees. This leaves it to the ones who think, not just 'outside the box', but abstractly - to say, "Shit - or get off the pot!"
We all appreciate the time people take to share their experiments and their knowledge. But showing me a fuzzy video of a device and a voltmeter that reads 60v is just not enough to make me waste one second of time on wondering how it works.
Is there really one person here who couldn't make a box with a gyroscope in it that would have 60v left over? At least for the amount of time that we've seen this thing work?
Geez.
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Elvis, look again into all videos, this device delivers about 1 KWatt of power in the biggest device.
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Also Elvis, this system is entirely solid state [as I understand it]. THAT is what makes the gyroscopic effect intruiging. 8)
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It would be great if SM would be able to provide some additional information on these questions:
1) When Larry is mentioning the "short" pieces of wire, can we assume that current is not constantly flowing through every piece of wire all of the time? Can we assume that the wire does not completely encircle the coil?
2) Were there any heat dissipation problems... did the heat generated stabilize...or did it continue to get hotter the longer the device was on?
3) You said the spinning compass would finally stay in one spot.... was it always oriented in the same direction? Would you attribute this to the fact that the magnetic vortex became so fast that the mechanical rotation of the compass essentially left it standing still?
4) When you disengaged the unit for power down...did the compass start spinning again and then slow down? Did it spin in the opposite direction?
5) Can you breakdown for us the essential parts of the unit... at least in a descriptive manner?
These could be very helpful answer in understanding the basic working of the unit.
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:-* Glad you liked my analogy.
Obvioulsy I can't argue that there is no evidence if others choose to believe whatever they see in a video.
But to be honest... and I hope you take this has constructive... ;) It was your "infomercial" style of posting that pushed my buttons and drove me to vent. :-*
When Steven brings his product to market and we are all free from the leash of commercial power... THEN you can rant about the man like he was the second coming. Until then... ease up on the worship.
On a lighter note - it might be nice to make a new topic with all the relevant info posted there. This thread is bogged with nonsense - including my own. :D
Peace!!
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Lindsay,
That's exactly right. That surge killed alot of people before A/C came along. That surge is what led tesla to his discovery that disruptive discharge across a spark gap would free the voltage from the current (or something like that) so that you could transform that voltage 10,000 times per foot of coil. What he pulled off the spark was probably the same thing as the 'streamers' that conducts lightning.
And it's most likely that the resuilting radiant energy he produced... was actually something like streamers... that would ground to a resonating circuit to pull energy out of the air the same way lighting happens.
The frequency of the waves (for lack of a better term) he created determined the energy that was pulled out of the air.
As a matter of fact - the cooling effect he felt is the same thing you feel when a thunderstorm rolls in. :)
Realizing this is what got me interested... and is the reason I am here.
Now... if I had the resources... I would have already built a spark-gap tesla coil and started experimenting with reducing the time of discharge. :)
But... not only do I not have the resources... but I could never find a damn EE who could explain what kind of cap I needed and how I could tell the rate of discharge.
And I have thought about using the ignition system out of a car to test with... but that's too dangerous for a newbie like me :)
I apologize for being rude in my other posts. but it's frustrating to me... as someone who is not an EE... when I know what Tesla did... and I can understand it in an abstract way... but I have no education in electronics and no resources to experiment... and when I come to forums like this to try and find someone who might have the same light go off in their head - as did in mine... someone with the expertise to actually make it work... I find everyone wants to see a drawing and tells me to get off my lazy ass and test my own shit.
Tesla did it. Gray did the same thing with his machine. It seems obvious to me.
{and as a pre-emptive strike on Bushwacker... it is not that I am lazy... I am just poor.}
Peace!
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I have the basic skills, a multimeter and a personal 20mhz o'scope.? I am paying close attention to what's being said but I've also got the materials to build a Kromrey Generator and my resources are in that direction.? I was going to pursue the HOPE next but am waiting on a dual trace o'scope (input vs output) before that is tried.? Please don't stop, the archives are a wonderful tool but unless they are filled.......
The idea of extracting power from the ether isn't new, but is a difficult idea to grasp.? Where does the energy come from, the sun, the earth's crust versus molten core being in turn a dynamo, a basic back ground energy upon all that which is physical is built upon?? I don't know.? But I do remember at a free energy conference being told about a minute kick on the up-slop but didn't realize it was attributed to the earth's field.? ?So my guess is to have high speed switching and try to use only the extra kick.? SM's device was stated at being about 5khz dc but the Prentice device (see below) is attributed to be at 500khz a/c.? Perhaps I'm looking at to much information trying to figure this thing out.? But believe me, both of my remaining brain cells are processing the information given.
http://www.rexresearch.com/prentice/prentice.htm
Also, I have a dead 12v car battery at the house and will perform the mentioned experiment.
Many thanks,
Rich
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Faraday stated: "When a current suddenly ceases, it can INDUCE a current IN THE SAME WIRE which is stronger than the original current. Thus, by conservation of force, there must be some force present, AN OPERATIVE, other than electric force. This force is probably the MAGNETIC FORCE."
~Dan
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Lindsay and Steven.
Many thanks for the infos so far, but I am also pretty busy with other things right now,
so I have no time to do these tests. Also I have tried to look up the effect
of the kick current with Google, but did not find any experiment,
which can prove this.
ALso the tube valve book is not available over here in the libraries
and I hoped, somebody would scan it it from their local library or
somebody, who has this book in his posession...
Just keep the info flowing. This year there will
also be many more interesting new devices come up, I can not yet
speak of, cause I have signed NDA.
Regards, Stefan.
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Before saying anything else I would like to direct my question to Steven Mark. And here is my question:
In at least one of you devices, does the OUTPUT AC component frequency increase PROPORTIONALLY with INCREASING the number of turns in the output coil?
This is not a funny question, this has been achieved in one of my experiments. I would really appreciate and respect any answer from Steven, even no answer at all. The answer would definitely help me to verify if I am going in the right direction.
And here is some more info.
I am a new in this forum as a registered member but I am not new in this field and in tracing this forum, at all. I have set up one (after a year of experimenting) experiment where I have managed to multiply electrical ?kicks? that Steven Mark was talking about. I have not managed to naturally generate initial ?kick?, at least yet. The electrical ?kick? that I was using was generated artificially but it did got multiplied. I am not yet ready to reveal everything. I might post more info after I get a stable and easily reproducible results but PLEASE don?t be disappointed if I don?t. As Steven said, I don?t like ?Monkey see, monkey do? approach. Unfortunately the things are not moving fast enough.
Some info, only based on my own experience AND after looking at Steven?s videos again and again and some experiments:
1)No magnetic core CAN be used, at least in the simplest set up. In some videos it looks like that the magnetic core IS being used but I think that was some technical improvement vs. general approach.
2)Magnet is a mandatory part but not the best solution, just the simplest solution
3)Look very carefully at the videos and/or some screenshots. There are at least two pictures that do reveal too much. (I don?t want to say that I am absolutely right, I might be wrong)
4)Some of the postings is this forum do really have very interesting stuff
Thanks a lot to Steven
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Lindsay and Steven.
Many thanks for the infos so far, but I am also pretty busy with other things right now,
so I have no time to do these tests. Also I have tried to look up the effect
of the kick current with Google, but did not find any experiment,
which can prove this.
ALso the tube valve book is not available over here in the libraries
and I hoped, somebody would scan it it from their local library or
somebody, who has this book in his posession...
Just keep the info flowing. This year there will
also be many more interesting new devices come up, I can not yet
speak of, cause I have signed NDA.
Regards, Stefan.
Hallo Stefan,
Mit "first kick" ist offensichtlich der Einschaltstrom gemeint.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einschaltstrom
Wie das jetzt aber mit dem Erdmagnetfeld zusammenpasst und ob die Begr?ndung wie sie bei Wikipedia steht so stimmt kann ich nicht sagen.
MfG
rensseak
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Hallo Steven Mark and Linday Mannix,
first of all, many thanks that you are willing to give us some lesson, otherwise we must again invent the wheel.
My english is not perfect, so i want to know if the "first kick" you mention is the same as "startup current" or "starting current" in german "Einschaltstrom" or "Anlaufstrom".
regards from Germany
Norbert K??ner
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After rereading, I'm obviously getting tired. I thought the idea was to take an unknown induced voltage and jolt a dead battery(Bendini styple o/u).....obviously brain dead again. The actual idea is to see the copper movement with a sudden jolt of power, and the true quest is what the copper is reacting against to move which is apparently the earths field since the low gauge copper cannot be heated fast enough to cause a physical jump.
Sorry, I'll try to pay more attention in the future....
Rich
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Hallo Lindsay,
ok, next question!
steve said it would be in common sens, but you said it is new education. I'm now irritated.
I was somewhere reading that every electron has a spin and a north and a South Pole (http://www.physorg.com/news9125.html (http://www.physorg.com/news9125.html)) and "when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire" the adjustment of this poles or spin is changing and this gives the kick.
regards
Norbert K??ner
Rennseak,
Good question
You are looking for prescribed terminology I am sorry your training does not include this .....it still doesn't
I quote from Steven directly here ..."when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire"
unquote
This is the first gold nugget ....do not try and fit it into your education this is a new education
Every body has been looking for back emf
The kick is physical...it shows that there is ENERGY!!!
It is to prove to you that it is there
It is to remove your doubt
It is the foundation of you knowing that it exists
I sincerely hope this helps with the context and action of the KICK!
Does any body else think that one kick amounts to any thing?
Perhaps we need more than one kick ...who knows? ...
What if we had a switch that could turn off the moment after we turned it on?
Heres a potentially stupid term"foward emf"... no sparks ay? ...
I hope this makes sense to you, it is a slow process.
If I could down load my brain here it may help ..I feel like I already have
Im sorry but I keep repeating "read the thread again"
But yes a good question!
Lindsay Mannix
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Whatever the source of input this device has... and it has been implied that the source is the "kick" that comes for "free" when a circuit is closed... so we have a source that is not really used - only for the initial "kick", over and over and over...
Then perhaps this is a series LC circuit resonating at the same frequency as the input so that impedance is zero and the output is amplified 100-1000 times - over and over and over?
see this reference...
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html
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Good idea ! This could be, that he has the coil of the LC circuit then on a toroidal core
and the resonating will induce into the secondary also pulses.
The question would then be, why the magnet field would spin up
in frequency ( the compass spinup) ? This would not fit with a fixed
LC resonance circuit....
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ty. :)
I would have no idea how this power is then transformed or delivered to a secondary circuit. But... it's possible that the physical arrangment of the coils... whether multiple LC circuits or a combination with secondary coils... that the alternating current is rotating around a concentric axis.... thus creating a gyroscopic effect.
Also... don't forget that the power input is said to be small... and so the device is constantly adding that small input to the residual (input minus loss) at each cycle. This would cause the coils to produce more and more (flux?) and if they are arranged so that it is a roatating field... it would cause the perceived gyroscopic affect to get stronger and stronger until it reached maximum.
The time to stop this motion... the "spin down" also points to an oscillation like in an LC circuit.
Maybe you can answer this - I have heard that you cannot couple a secondary coil to the coil in a LC or "tank" circuit. Is this true? If it is, then we are still way behind the curve on how this device works.
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P.S: I have searched back and forth GOOGLE for any reference of the earth magnet field
for instant bigger current when switching on ( Einschaltstrom)
but have not yet found anything related to the earth magnetic field.
So until someone can scan these valve book pages we will be still
in the dark how this effect is working and how it can be seen in an experiment.
P.S: the experiment with the cable and the battery:
There you probably just see, that coil loops repell each self against
each other...
So if you lay a longer wire into a coil onto the floor and energize this cable
the loops will just repell each other, but just only due to their
own magnet fields repelling each other loop...
Stefan.
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parallel wires with current flowing in the same direction will attract.... reverse the current in one of the wires and they repell.
I'm not sure where the "kick" comes from... but flip the switch on a big DC generator and you will see the glow.
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Yes,sure they will attract, sorry I mixed this up.
Anyway the wire will move because it is attractic each other.
This is probably what Lindsay meant, am I right ?
Or did he say the whole coil jumps off the ground, because it
is repelled by the earth magnet field ?
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I don't want to put words in his mouth... but he said they would jump. And they will... I think he meant from the "kick" though.
I'll try to find reference to the kick - it's what made flipping the switch on old DC distribution systems dangerous.
I think his reference to the earth's magnectic field was to explain where the kick was coming from.... I think... :) Tesla noticed it - and that's what led to the tesla coil.
By using a spark gap... he generated a disruptive discharge... he was (I assume) trying to find the kick... and what it was.
What he did was - by quenching the spark... and holding the discharge time down to under 100ms... was to generate a voltage that would step up 10,000 times per foot of coil (secondary) - this is the spark-gap tesal coil.
This is - I assume - like a streamer of ionized air. It rolled up the outside of the coil. He also noticed a cooling affect. More like a thunderstorm rolling in, eh?? This is why I say it was ionized air - like the streamers that lightning discharges in.
So - assuming Tesla was able to get a true current out of this - with the proper receiver... I can only assume that creating the streamer "made lightning."
So this is why I say that mannix must be alluding to the kick coming from the earth's magnetic field.
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With all respect for Steven
In my previous posting I have mentioned that there are at least two pictures from Steven?s device that might be revealing ?too? much. I have attached those pictures to this post. We will have a look at them a little later.
In one of the previous postings, not by me, there was a reference to the ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?. Now, if you go to the link http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf and read that file on page 7 fig. 12 (Measured startup transient), also fig. 11 on page 6. Doesn?t it explain why the compass is rotating in one direction at start up and another direction at shut down? Now on fig. 14 (Measured stable soliton oscillation?) Doesn?t it explain why the compass is not rotating when the system has stabilized? I want really to emphasize it, it DOES!!! I don?t want to say that Steven is using the same idea, not at all. It is just my wild guess.
I am not a good teacher to explain everything I know, but if you have some knowledge in electronics, you should be able to easily understand the above. The only thing I don?t agree with that article when it says ??.there has not been a robust electrical soliton oscillator reported to date??. That is simply not true. I have developed myself, as a part of my job, more than enough such generators but could never even imagine that I was doing something special. It just was my everyday job. I am very sure that other people were doing even better job.
Now, for the same document, have a look at fig 8. Anything common with a magnet? Yes and no, but more yes. It doesn?t prove any over unity yet but the similarities are very high. In my previous posting, I have said that using a magnet is not the best solution, just the simplest. I think that using a vacuum tube with cold cathode is better but for the reason not having even one (if I only new about it 25 years ago) I cannot prove it.
In my previous posting, I have asked Steven a question, not a trivial one. If he can answer, negative or positive, doesn?t matter, I would be more than satisfied. Based on my question in the previous posting, at some time I was experimenting with some ?free energy? devices. I forgot completely about Steven?s device at that time. But when I found this forum and read everything I was almost ready to go and buy a bottle of brandy. I was looking for generating a standing wave but got something different and very interesting. Despite that, I didn?t know what to do with that all. Having read the entire postings here, the picture is clearer.
Now, about the attached images. Open the attachments and have a look at the type (manner) of windings. Anything strange? Yes, at least for me. I am not yet ready to tell how I managed to multiply the artificially generated ?kicks? but probably at some time I will do it. I just want to recover my previous experiments and reproduce it again with some more stuff in mind.
And again, to prevent any arguing, I might be very wrong.
Regards
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Hi,
I have have viewed the videos and read the helpful patents that have been referenced on this subject (Lindsay yahoo forum). I would now like to express my Opinion about how the toroid device (the model) shown in the first of Steve's videos can be based on one of these patents (ref. US2004/0007932 Jan 15,2004) - There is a lot of educated guess work here!
(Please note I am not saying that this device model is a copy of the patent only the device in the patent probably uses similar science to operate!)
First observation:
The video shows what I beleive to be a black plastic wire spool - (The bit left over when you have used up all the wire!)
The center of the spool has been enlarged to accept a small cylinder.
Now if you read patent and note fig. 12 you will notice a dual pattern of windings - one
set being the primary and the other being the secondary.
Second observation:
If you study the model video footage you will see a that a winding has been threaded from the outside edge of the cheek
of the plastic spool through the center and around to the outside edge of the cheek opposite. The winding connection appear as white around each cheek. The white being some sort of plastic insulation tape etc. Each winding as it passes over a spool cheek is possibly taped to the spool with black tape (or black epoxy resin not sure..) The pattern of laced white connection has similarity to the patent - See top and bottom of figure 12B. I can only assume that the active part of the winding is that section which would appear vertical within the spool centre if the spool cheek was horizontal.
Third observation:
At first I assumed the winding is an attempt to generate a rotating magnetic field which can be imagined as
rotating (virtual) bar magnet spun perpendicular to the spool axis. But the designs shown in the video footage
do not attempt to make efficent magnetic flux paths across the diameter of the toroid i.e. some toroids are shown empty! -
We therefore have to assume that the design is a multipolar design i.e. N-S loops of flux close to the windings active region i.e. the circumference of the inside of the spool.
Fourth Observation:
Again reference the patent (fig.12B and C). The patent also describes various three phase windings ignore these... If I was building a small test model I would not start with a three phase design I would go for a biphase design as it is easier to construct and drive (i.e. only a single capacitor in series to generate second phase). Note the pattern of windings shown in fig. 12B is a biphase arrangement and is equivalent to a single spinning magnet as described above. In order to make this a multipolar winding you would have to link fourth such windings in series (overlap end to end..). Again if you look at the model the winding is shown in four equal sectors around the cheek of the spool.
Fifth observation:
With an educated guess - I would say the function of the extra cylinder insert is to support the secondary against the primary described above - Some evidence of this is shown as more white insulation around the intersection of the cylinder and spool but this is more difficult to see on the video.
Whats it all for?
The patent implies that a 'moving' magnetic field is produced by the primary which induces a similar 'moving' magnetic field in the secondary. As well as normal transformer action between the primary and secondary you have an extra effect - Apparently the secondary can be made to electrically drive the primary 'positive feedback' and in doing so produce the electrical equivalent of a spinning mechanical flywheel.
What ever adds energy to the system only occurs if the magnetic travel or spin is in the correct direction in relation to it - The video shows that the system has to be orientated correctly for the generator effect to be observed. It is my guess that the secondary must be rotated physically in relation to the primary by some fixed amount possibly in order to 'tune' the phasing to get it to work correctly and make the device only allow magnetic field spin in one prefered direction.
I must comment here that the source of the extra energy seems to be unclear but I suspect it must be some kind of relativistic field effect do to the extreme spin rate of the magnetic field or perhaps some unknown spinning flow of energy into or out of our planet!
Anyway thanks all for this very interesting forum.
Regards
Conwy
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Conwy,
Can you provide a link to the us patent you have mentioned? I have tried to find it on Google but with no results. Just want to read everything.
Conwy, as I understood (correct me if I am wrong), you are talking about a bigger coil. What about the video that shows a smaller coil? Is there anything inside that coil? There is nothing inside (in the center) in few of the smaller coils and it still works.
I would like to go into more details about Steven?s ?kicks? of energy excess. I am not even sure if I am doing the right thing trying to explain it. I would really ask everybody not to jump into conclusion unless you have a very good picture in your head.
About the ?kicks? that Steven was talking about. Steven said that those ?kicks? represent some kind (please don?t blame for incorrect wording, just the meaning I want to express) of energy excess. I would not call it as ?excess of energy? even in Steven?s case it is absolutely right, I would call it as very short and tiny unbalanced states of energy. Without going into heavy mathematics and physics, here is a very simple example, not directly related to energy, but look at it as a general idea or situation that is always present in any kind of action or interaction and real life.
In any (almost) university book (even in some schools) you can find a very ?strange? thing from the first point of view and it is that in any triangle the sum of all angles is ALWAYS greater that 180. It cannot be even equal to 180, it is always greater. If you don?t know about it, search for it. What it means that there is no ideal situation in real life. The same refers to the energy of any kind. There is always a bit of unbalanced state represented in any given LOCALIZED system (localized doesn?t mean not having connection to outside, just the way we use it). There is always a ?kick? generated by whatever unbalanced means, earth magnetic field or anything else, doesn?t really matter in general but in the exact case interesting to figure out. That very little piece of unbalanced state is what can put the system into the self-oscillation. The funny thing is that you can artificially increase the unbalanced state.
The definition of the balanced state of the system. (forgive me for my English, not my first language). I am not going to read you all the physic laws here, you know them. (There are so many skeptics that you can learn all the physics just based on their articles, no need for university -:)). I want to show you a different view on them. Any system is trying to get into a balanced state by trying (as much as it can if you don?t FORCE it) to spend the LEAST energy from the SOURCE AND ITS own. This is not my theory; this is taken from the pure mathematics and physics I was thought in the university. Looks stupid from the first view. You can say, wait a second; a simple transformer takes more energy from the source if you load it more. Guess what, wrong (may be -:)). In the case of the simple transformer, the magnetic flux generated by the output coil is directed in an opposite way to the magnetic flux generated by the input coil. It means, that the current generated by the output coil in the input coil will be in the same direction as the current from the source. Not yet strange? Okay, the transformer is trying to HELP you by adding the current to the input current AND this is what means the system is trying to get into the balanced state. But unfortunately we are ignoring it and not separating the source current from the generated current. As a result we put the system into the situation where it has no choice as to consume more and more energy from the source. If you can split it or make the interaction non-linear, you can get a really high efficiency but not YET over unity. Why? May be in the next post.
PS. A lot of people are talking about rotating magnetic field. I don?t know if it can generate excess of energy but at least in Steven?s case this is NOT a rotating field. How can you possibly use a rotating field in case of Steven?s BIG coil with the power unit in the center and connected to the main coil with only few wires? You simply don?t have enough number of wires connected to the external coil with no magnetic core to generate any efficient rotating magnetic field.
Regards
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@Kames,
In the bigger unit he could use the 2small toroidal cores to counter rotate
the magnetic flux and produce some kind of a magnetic vortex which "sucks"
in magnetic waves from the surroundings or free air electrons or what else
and produces a vortex motion inside the bigger output coil.
He probaly needs the big airgap between the 2 cores and the outercoil
to have the right vortex size...
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Hi Stefan,
My time is 2am and my head stops working, But anyway. If you are talking about a magnetic vortex in the bigger coil, what about the smaller coils? There are no torroidal units in it. What generates the vortex in them? We have to assume that Steven is using a different approach in the smaller units or we have to say that the vortex is not the case.
Without thinking a lot I think you need at least three coils to generate a rotating vortex, two is not enough even if they are using a different frequencies and such a called ?running? phase.
I can?t find a link to the website that has a java applet where you can programmatically select a number of different source points, assign different frequencies and see the graphical interference. I will search my computer for that link (not today, it is 2.30am) but no promises.
And again, even if you are right and it is possible to generate a vortex, what about the smaller units? I can hardly believe they are using a different idea.
Regards
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Hi Lindsay,
You are absolutely right. The inner coils are the part of the control unit that help the other coils to collect. Does it mean vortex? Maybe, but not convinced. The absence of such control unit in some (not all) other torroidal power units in the videos makes me think that the idea is simpler. When I said ?rotating? field, I actually meant standard rotating field, like in the electrical motor. I didn?t mean vortex. Stefan reminded me that it might me a vortex. Agree with Stefan. But I don?t think the idea of the vortex is used. Even if I am wrong about the vortex I fully agree that the vortex can actually multiply the ?kicks? under some conditions.
Regards.
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Before proceeding I think that everybody should check it out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,758.0.html
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,757.0.html
Very nice.
Coming back to my simple transformer experiment.
The experiment I am going to describe is not going to give you any over unity but it will show a real anomaly. You can reproduce it if you like and measure it. It is very much reproducible.
The way I have described the balance in the system for the simple transformer in the previous post cannot be applied to everything. Any kind of system requires its own description. Only the main idea can be reused.
Probably many of you read a lot of articles when somebody was saying that an over unity has been achieved. When asked to loop the system, everything was failing apart. Do you really believe that everybody is a con man? I really like what Steven said (don?t remember exact wording) ? ?You have to be an idiot to believe that there is a hidden battery that can give so much power for such a long time?. If I see a real power output on the active load, I believe my eyes, as simple as is.
How many times have you heard that somebody was using a back EMF and achieved over unity? Probably a lot. Did somebody managed to publicly demonstrate such a system in the self-running mode? I am not aware of it.
Have a look at the next link:
http://www.opensourceenergy.com/txtlstvw.aspx?LstID=d77e8f6b-bc60-46f2-91f2-72d55f53fb46
If the link is not working, search for the ?Zoltan Szili releases 50 watt ZPE circuit for Open Source?
His device is fully based on the back EMF idea. Even all the calculations were performed using special software to simulate the circuit. The question is: who is wrong? Software or the guy that posted it? I would say that both of them are right but it won?t work. At the same time you can use real equipment and do measure the excess of power.
I have performed the same experiment (but not identical circuit) a long time ago and did measure the excess of power in the range of 160% but could never managed to loop the device. Isn?t some kind of nonsense, you have excess of power but you cannot loop/use it, which means you cannot prove anything. The thumbnails for that circuit are not good but pay a very careful attention to them. I would say pay a lot of attention to the timing. What do you see? Nothing? Go back to my previous post and read about splitting two currents in the simple transformer. Otherwise, if you can reproduce it exactly, meaning that you have to get the same timing as in that link, you will get an anomaly, guaranteed. My experiment consisted of 2 identical coils 80 watts transformer with 50 turns in each coil. The frequency was between 100 and 500 Hz. The power ratio was measured using different methods ? converting everything to DC, using oscilloscope, using digital scope and transferring the diagrams to the computer and then calculating the size of the area under each impulse. Any way I was doing it, it was around 160% excess in active power.
Here is the answer for the anomaly. The way I was measuring the power was based on the calculation of the magnetic flux produced by each coil, or in other words, number of turns multiplied by the current in the coil. The output current was exceeding the input by 160% in active power. Can you explain the situation where the output current (the size of the area under the current line, ie in average) is greater than input having two identical coils and it is not even a resonance? I want to make a point here. I know very well the difference between active and reactive power. However, when looping the device back to the battery, the discharge current was always bigger than the charge. You can call it as a mistake but I wouldn?t. The problem was that the power was measured on the transformer, between output and input ON THE TRANSFORMER. The power should have been measured on the entire system despite that there was a piece of unit in the middle of the system that WAS GIVING the excess of power. Here we are coming to the paradox in nature. There are two contradicting things that are very deep in nature and I really don?t want to go that deep. Otherwise, my writing will never end. Just try to build a picture or use it as is.
If you really like to reproduce the circuit, here is the answer how to get the anomaly. In my previous post I have said that the output coil is trying to ?help? you. In order to see it you have somehow to separate the two currents IN THE INPUT COIL. The simplest way to do it is to split in time, making one current invisible to another. The new input impulse MUST not even begin until there is at least a little power left in the output coil. In my case I was waiting until the output current (NOT VOLTAGE) was reduced by the factor of 2 x 3.14 times and only then a new input impulse was sent to the input coil again. ONLY back EMF (using a single rectifier and a big capacitor in the output) was used to power the load in order to separate in time any kind of action that could occur in the input coil and output coil at the same time.
Regards.
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Hi Mannix,
Yes, I am a little off topic. This is true. I just wanted to show a real experiment based on the theory. It is still a little far from Steven. In one of my first postings I did strongly emphasize that Steven?s device (most of them) doesn?t have a magnetic core. I would even say that I didn?t want to emphasize it initially. I am more than 100% agree that Steven device doesn?t have to do anything with back EMF. I would say that I am absolutely sure about it. It was just an example of anomaly that a lot of people, I hope, would like to try in order to see something at least.
In my opinion, Steven?s device has a lot in common with splitting signals in time, but not only. But about it a little later, it is 1.30 am -:(.
I am just trying to get to the point without saying what I am not yet ready to say for a lot of different reason, including that I don?t have a device like Steven has. But I do have very unusual effects in my latest experiment. Believe me, this is not simple. I want to tell something but every time anything you are trying to explain it is touching the main idea that is not yet ready to be released in all details. I want everybody to understand it and possibly to find a better way.
My apology, I will try to keep myself much closer to Steven?s device.
I probably need two more postings to finish.
Regards
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Hi Mannix,
Yes, I am a little off topic. This is true. I just wanted to show a real experiment based on the theory. It is still a little far from Steven. In one of my first postings I did strongly emphasize that Steven?s device (most of them) doesn?t have a magnetic core. I would even say that I didn?t want to emphasize it initially. I am more than 100% agree that Steven device doesn?t have to do anything with back EMF. I would say that I am absolutely sure about it. It was just an example of anomaly that a lot of people, I hope, would like to try in order to see something at least.
In my opinion, Steven?s device has a lot in common with splitting signals in time, but not only. But about it a little later, it is 1.30 am -:(.
I am just trying to get to the point without saying what I am not yet ready to say for a lot of different reason, including that I don?t have a device like Steven has. But I do have very unusual effects in my latest experiment. Believe me, this is not simple. I want to tell something but every time anything you are trying to explain it is touching the main idea that is not yet ready to be released in all details. I want everybody to understand it and possibly to find a better way.
My apology, I will try to keep myself much closer to Steven?s device.
I probably need two more postings to finish.
Regards
Hallo kames,
when you wrote signal splitting i remember of the flanger effect. It is used for making doubling effects or hall effects in music, particularly for e-Guitarre. Which surprised me one times was, when two person is talking via VoIP and both are using loudspeaker there will be an echo that become louder and louder. Sorry for my terrible english. I hop i get it this time. Unfortunately I do not have experience in electronics and also have no equipment to make some expiriments. So I can only guess.
regards
Norbert
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Rensseak, sorry to disappoint you but I don?t think that Steven?s device works this way. The effect you experienced is based on the standing wave. Can it provide over unity? Maybe, but I have never managed to get over unity with at least a simple standing wave. The standing wave can be a VERY efficient way of transferring the energy (see Tesla) but it doesn?t provide any explanation where the excess of the energy can come from.
Let?s collect what I have posted:
a) My question in my very first post.
b) The screenshots I have attached in one of my posts
c) The article ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator? that was posted here. I would like to stress the technical aspects described in that article.
d) Time splitting (probably is not the most important in Steven?s device)
e) The ?kick? is always present. Not simple to find how to use it.
f) The compass rotates at start up and shut down times. See my previous posts and ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?. This is very simple.
The above is just for keeping in mind, we need it if we want to explain the nature of the things.
Let?s collect some major observations from Steven?s device:
1) No magnetic core
2) The device vibrates at very low frequency and has (at least a big coil) a gyroscopic effect.
3) The device generates DC current
4) The device has AC component of relatively high frequency in the output
5) Not every torroid has a power unit in the center. This means that there are several technical solutions and the big coil is not the simplest example to reproduce. Don?t want to speculate about vortex but I am not convinced about it.
6) Every device makes use of a magnet (If you didn?t read ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?, please read it.)
7) Steven mentioned about getting the most potential from the device. We are not talking about a simple resonance. I don?t believe that there is any standard electrical resonance at all. This means we are talking about the importance of the mechanical assembly of the device, such as coil connections and even spacing between the coils. If you like, you can say that the mechanical assembly must multiply (not just generate) the ?kicks? or in other words short electrical impulses.
8) In one of the videos Steven showed a spark when shorting the wires. I wasn?t there but based on my experience I can tell you almost for sure that such a spark can be generated only by relatively high frequency.
We need the above to do the reverse engineering, not the nicest thing to do without understanding but if you don?t have understanding, you will hardly be able to make the device self-running, even if you know all the assembly details. My main idea is to get e), 2), 3) and 4) (some of them might be artificial for now) and if it still doesn?t provide me over unity, I will start adding new stuff to the SAME type of mechanical assembly, such as looking for another natural way of ?multiplying? the ?kicks?. The mechanical assembly is more than important in Steven?s device.
Now, a little of imagination. Produce the next picture/diagram in your mind. You have a torroid, doesn?t matter yet if it has a magnetic core, and inside that torroid there is a short AND sharp positive electrical impulse rotating, let?s say, with the speed 10 Hz or 10 revolutions per second. That impulse is not present along the entire length of the torroid at the same time, it is always localized at a given point. Now it is important not to have a magnetic core. Imagine that the impulse is going through the number of smaller coils/sections connected in series. Between each coil there is space with no windings. When such an impulse goes through a single section it will produce an electromagnetic impulse also ALWAYS localize at a given point. That magnetic impulse will provide a mechanical stress on the device for different reasons, interfering with the earth magnetic field or even because the assembly is not mechanically ideal. If you hold such a torroid in your hands, would you feel a low frequency vibration? ABSOLUTELY. Would it generate some kind of gyroscopic effect? VERY possible. Why no magnetic core? Because, if the core is magnetic, to get that impulse localized at a given point is very difficult if possible at all. The magnetic core will increase the magnetic interaction among the coils, which will literally destroy the effect. This is important; going through multiple coils a sharp impulse won?t lose its sharpness too much (see ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?).
Now imagine that there is another very standard coil on the torroid with little space between each turn. I am not sure if is the spacing between each turn is really required but it can increase the efficiency. When a localized sharp magnetic impulse is passing by every turn in another coil it will generate a sharp electrical impulse in that coil in every single turn. Doesn?t it look like multiplying? Because the magnetic impulse in the first coil is sharp enough and has only, let?s say, a positive polarity, it will generate a series of electrical impulses in the second coil in the SAME direction every time it crosses each turn in the second coil (the same direction is a little tricky but absolutely possible, you can partially associate it with the ?motional field?). Doesn?t it look like generating DC? Because the second coil is NEVER ideal and has some spacing between turns, would the output DC contain AC component? ABSOLUTELY. Because the second coil has multiple turns and a sharp magnetic impulse per one revolution in the torroid passing by every single turn in the second coil, would the output AC component have a much higher frequency than the initial 10 Hz mentioned above? ABSOLUTERLY.
Not much left to explain.
Regards.
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Congratulations Kames!! It?s very impressive your analysis and deductive ideas. I have some questions about your last conclusions. I?m sorry if they are more or less important but I think can help us to understand the problem.
1.- Delay line model (soliton) versus frequencies and rotate speed.
If it is used analog delay lines (we assume it, using LC series cells) there is a contradiction between pulse bandwidth, delay and resonance frequencies to allow the pulse transmission without losses (or with very low losses). I try to explain it:
Consider a 50cm long (linear long, or Pi*diameter) toroid. From the delay point of view, you need 100ms delay order or magnitude for 10Hz rotating signal (100ms total, consider then 10 cells with 10ms per cell delay, for instance). If you build LC cells with this delay (large L and C values), rise time of pulses are very long and the spectrum components are in low frequencies. In other words, it is impossible to transmit high frequencies due to impedance; it is a low-pass filter, keeping these delay times. The only way to make it is using digital delay lines, keeping high frequencies pulses (with AD/DA conversions) ?in memories? and released it at a special time points. Then, the LC network must be tuned at high resonance frequencies, as soliton works.
There is another and evidence question about it: the wavelength must be cm order of magnitude (consider soliton model) for comparing to toroid length (5cm, for instance) that implies Ghz frequencies (this is without delays considerations). At these frequencies, L and C must have a very very little value.
So, I see an incompatibility between propagation conditions ? frequencies and desires values of pulses, rotating speed ? All can be done but I see difficulties to be done at the same time.
I include a link with an example of analog delay lines if it can help ..
http://www.eettaiwan.com/ARTICLES/2001JUN/2001JUN15_AMD_PL_AN2026.PDF
2.- DC current in output (or ?quasi? DC current).
DC current in a inductance output implies nearly to zero voltaje or ? another model for the output inductance. I mean: the output voltaje in a inductance (the output coil we study) is V=Ldi/dt (the ?usual? model). Then, quasi DC current implies di/dt nearly to zero value ? or ? there is a change in the inductance, then V=Ldi/dt + idL/dt (the ?real? model). Then, if i is a constant, V=idL/dt. This can be if L changes in the time, but how can L change in the time domain? ? Changing :
N: number of turns. It seems not possible.
Mu: permeability. It must be possible, working at saturation levels adding/not adding magnetic fields.
S: Section. It must be possible changing magnetic field space components (direction). (It is similar to Stefan explanation of rotating field), but L has not changes itself.
L: Length: It seems not possible
Then we have two possible parameters: mu and section (field space direction). With a section change, then the flux is changing too and V=-nd(flux)/dt is generated, but L doesn?t change, then it is imposible to get a V with I=constant at the same time changing only effective section of coil (that is magnetic field space direction). Then, if there is DC currents in the output, must be changes in mu of the output coil or .. I missed anything. In this case, a core is necessary and working in a special nearly to saturation point. (That is the base of magnetic pulse amplifiers).
I want to encourage to all team (a very nice team) to continue investigating these questions, and a special mention to kames and to Stefan for this very good web.
Regards
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Hi Orionjf,
Probably Stefan deserves much more than I do. I am practically nobody in this forum. I came here and, I am sorry, I will soon disappear for a long time, after my last post where I am going to explain what the over unity requires and how it can be applied to Steven?s device.
You are almost right but not in everything. To some contradiction to your article have a look at this article:
http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf
The guys are using completely different shape of impulse.
I have never said that I know exactly how to generate that 10 Hz rotating impulse. I just performed a reverse engineering to show what is required to get the same type of output single. What I have said was in my very first post question. That was based on my own experiment some time ago and I didn?t know what to do with that all. As a result I have not continued my experiment but I am going to come back. I have said that for whatever reason in my experiment the output frequency was increasing with increasing the number of turns in the output coil. That happened when I was experimenting with standing wave using short impulses. I have tried to be very careful in wording and explanation to avoid as much as possible different confusions. I have tried to avoid complicated technical aspects in order to avoid writing a long book here.
If you look at one of the attachments in one of my previous post here, you will see a screenshot from two Steven?s coils. One of the screenshots with ABSOLUTELY no doubts shows multiple coils connected in series. Even if I don?t know what it is and how it works but I can safely assume it is important.
What I am going to say now is very speculative (I HAVEN?T tested everything) and I really want to avoid too many questions. I just don?t have that much time to find answer for everything, especially I don?t have all the answers right away.
Now closer to your question. In the article above, a quote from it: ??In addition to maintaining their shape, solitons on the NLTL possess other important properties [3]?[5]. To begin with,
a taller soliton travels faster than a shorter one on the NLTL. Due to this amplitude-dependent speed, as shown in Fig. 2(a), a taller soliton originally placed behind a shorter one catches up with the shorter one and moves ahead of it after a collision. During the collision ??the two solitons do not linearly superpose ??and as a result experience a significant amount of amplitude modulation. After the collision [bottom of Fig. 2(a)], the two solitons return to their original shapes, however, they have acquired a permanent time (phase) shift due to the nonlinear collision ??.?
Just follow me very carefully. Showing above just imagine that one soliton catches up with another always in the same coil among all those sections of coils. Wouldn?t be a ?kind? of standing wave resonance? Yes, but it won?t be rotating yet, however, the impulse width would increase (Fig 2a in the above article), but not useful yet, still too short. Let?s say we send those short impulses into our coils artificially, one after another. Now imagine that we put a little of distortion into it and all the solitons do meet in the same coil but not exactly at the same spot, just a little one behind another. The overall width of the impulse increases dramatically (if not progressively, see Fig 2a in the above article) and becomes much more useful when using standard coils. Such a little shift constitutes a very low speed rotating field or you can look at it as such a called ?running? phase. That is how those 10 Hz can be generated.
Again, I am not 100% sure. The only thing I have tested is increasing the output frequency while increasing the number of turns in the output coil. The rest is just a reverse engineering.
Regards.
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Hi Orionjf,
Just realized that I missed your second questions. You are saying that ??Then, quasi DC current implies di/dt nearly to zero value ? or ? there?.?. This not true. The di/dt is not zero even with very short and sharp impulses (you can add here Steven?s ?kicks? or you can add here that at the time equal to zero the current of the impulse is much higher because the magnetic flux is always a little behind). Without going into all the details take any high frequency transformer and send, for simplicity, very short square impulses of the same polarity into it. Make sure that when there is no input impulse the input coil is not ?in the air? but shorten by the generator output circuit. The output signal will have impulses of the same polarity, meaning that there are DC and AC components at the same time. If the high frequency transformer can practically replicate short input impulses, it means there is a corresponding magnetic flux change even (and probably important) if the magnetic flux is a always behind a the beginning of the impulse if the previous magnetic flux had enough to time to ?go away?. If there is a corresponding magnetic flux change what prevents it from generating the same impulses by ?cutting? single turns in the output coil if the flux is ?rotating?? When I say high frequency I don?t mean really high frequency. The above is used in a lot of electronic circuits and can be easily reproduced at frequencies as low as 20 kHz represented by short impulses.
Regards.
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Dear Kames,
Your answer to question 1 could be right. Only by two different propagation speeds can be explained this phenomenon: something like a group or phase speed and a ?carrier? speed, using a modulated signal reference. In that case it will be very difficult to tune it, I think.
With regard to question 2, I am not sure. Peaks of current means very large peaks in voltage (remember V depends on di/dt). An inductance ?avoid? peaks of current exactly making peaks of voltage. I don?t say that current peaks can?t be done but if done, then the output is a very high and sharp pulse. If current function is a ?ramp?, voltaje will be a constant (DC) but not viceversa, that is all DC components of current don?t create any output voltage. Only with sin or cos function, v and i follow the ?same? shape because derivative or integral function are the same (with phase corrections). In all other cases, I think only an integration (by capacitors, for instance) can provides DC components.
I agree with you that we need to do a complete reverse engineering.
Best regards
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A little of mathematics:
The mentioned di/dt will never results to zero. The more correct mathematical expression would be lim (di/dt) with time -> zero. When a short impulse enters a coil with no magnetic flux left in it, the di will be a much higher number than dt and can be represented by a function like ?k + x^2?. As a result the function lim (di/dt) with time -> zero will result to infinity because the dt is always linear.
Regards.
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Hi Orionjf,
Just posted a message but didn't see your reply, That is why I didn't mention your name at the top. My appology.
Regards.
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Hallo Steve Mark,
i hope that you still read here because this weekend my head was smoking an i would like to ask you something.
In one of the videos you demonstrate your device which ist connected to a measuring instrument. When you turn it top down the voltage decrease and you had no explanation for it. Now my question: did you try your device already on the earth south site?
I was also thinking about the exploding TV and the wire found in the the wall. The position in the TV of this wire is NOSW at the CR tube and also the small coils inside at your device. These small coils are enclosed of a big coil like the primary coil of the tesla transformer. May be the direction of winding the small coils is also important. Starting the first "kick" comes from the magnets and the kick is a result of the initial inertia of the free electrons is in the cable. About the control, sure there are condensators, but i dont know how to build it. It could be so, that the small coils successively counter clockwise be induced, so that there it a rotating magnetic field.
regards
Norbert K??ner
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It doesn?t let me sleep quietly the thing that is causing so much confusion. When we are talking about DC and AC components at the same time we are talking about a possibility to convert ?quasi? DC to real DC automatically assuming that a capacitor is required.
I am not working any more as an electronic engineer (but still working in IT, I am not that old -:)), but if anybody here is, correct me if I am wrong. At the time I was working nobody was saying ?quasi? DC, even it is absolutely correct and even a better term. Everybody was saying DC IMPULSES automatically assuming that you can get a real DC component from it if using a capacitor, for example. As simple as is if not stupid. When people were talking about DC and AC components at the same time it was just a spoken language and nothing else. That is how it seats in my brain and I guess probably for other people as well.
However, for Steven?s device:
1)If vortex is involved, it can generate a real DC component
2)If a moving/rotating magnetic impulse can partially looked at as a ?motional field?, it can also generate a real DC component
Sorry for the confusion about DC and AC.
Regards.
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I?m sorry if I introduced some confusion about DC components. For a better common understanding, we can consider the following:
- A pulse (every shape) from -2.5 to 2.5 volts, for instance, has not got any DC component (we assume a symmetric shape negative-positive).
- A pulse from 0 to 5 volts has got a DC component
- Both of them have an AC component (the same!!!).
Right? If right, we understand the same.
Then:
-I think, every DC component doesn?t generate anything in a coil. All emf?s or something like that are generated by AC components (consider the above example, both can ?generated? the same). If there are other cases I am very interesting to know it.
-The signal present in a coil as result of a generated (or transformed) energy will be AC pure signal if the process is reversible (because if a reversible process exists there are two possible outputs with the same input, that is not possible).
I think if DC components are observed, the energy generation process can?t be a reversible process. Then emf?s and analogues process can?t be applied.
Probably we are talking about discontinuities were usual models are not applied (as Kames explained with di/dt). Spark gaps are discontinuities, for example. Some of them are irreversible processes.
Regards
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Hi everybody,
Took me almost a day to find one article, but finally have found. Will definitely save it on my disk that next time I don?t have to search for it again. Have a look at the next link:
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/12.html
Most of the stuff is well know, but search for the next text: ??.A significant difference exists, however, between continuous-mode operation and the sudden starting condition assumed?..?. Think about a short impulse traveling ?ALONE? or a ?kick? and read to the end.
Regards.
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Very interesting article, Kames, thanks.
You can find another in the same web (the back page, http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/11.html ). The first figure is the fundamental idea of magnetic amplifiers. Mix this (amplifier) with soliton concepts and maybe we have a interesting material for studying.
Regards
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Why should the magnetic shield used in color picture tube?
http://www.thaicrt.com/engfaq.asp#faq5 (http://www.thaicrt.com/engfaq.asp#faq5)
ELF and VLF radiation from deflection yoke
- MPRII
Swedish Low Radiation Standard. Monitors generate both VLF (Very Low Frequencies 0.1KHz to 400 KHz) and ELF (Extremely Low Frequencies 1 Hz - 1000 Hz ) frequencies. These EM fields are generated by the monitor's deflection yoke which positions the electron beams. The horizontal refresh rate generates frequencies in the VLF range, and the vertical refresh rate generates frequencies in the ELF range.
The Swedish National Board of Measurement and Testing developed a set of standards for measuring, and came up with acceptable levels for electro-static potential , alternating electric and magnetic fields.
Hansol monitors limit build-up of electro-static by using an Anti-Static conductive silica coating on the face of the CRT. Emission cancellation coils mounted on the deflection yoke are also used to significantly limit both the VLF and ELF electromagnetic fields.
MPRI Standards created by the Swedish Labor Unions 1986. First version of MPRII. MPRI only addresses VLF 0.1 KHz to 400 KHz.
MPRII Standard created by the Swedish Labor Unions 1987. This defines the level of acceptable emissions ELF, VLF, electric, magnetic and static discharge from monitors.
VLF = Very Low Frequencies 0.1KHz - 400 KHz
ELF - Extremely Low Frequencies 1 Hz - 1000 Hz
MPRII Limits
Electro Static Potential Within + or - 500 volts
Magnetic Field
Band I 2 to 400 KHz < or = to 25 nt
Band II 5 Hz - 2 KHz < or = to 250 nt
Alternating Electric Field
Band I 2 to 400 KHz < or = to 2.5 v/m
Band II 5 Hz - 2 KHz < or = to 25 v/m
http://www.hansol-us.com/tech-support/faq-html/ans20.htm (http://www.hansol-us.com/tech-support/faq-html/ans20.htm)
or http://www.hansol.ca/support_answers.htm (http://www.hansol.ca/support_answers.htm)
Kick start
Another suspicious circuit element in colour monitors is the degaussing circuit (refer Fig. 13). It acts only when the monitor is switched on and lasts only for a few seconds.
The red, green, and blue electron beams are always critically aligned to the corresponding phosphor dots on the face plate. However, local magnetic perturbations can misalign the whole set-up, giving rise to localised colours. Therefore it is necessary to ensure that the shadow mask and the other metal parts inside the CRT are completely demagnetised before the monitor is to be used. The process of demagnetisation is called degaussing.
The degaussing circuit sends AC current through the coil wound around the face of the CRT, generating a gradually diminishing AC magnetic field or H field. A typical degaussing circuit may have a peak-to-peak current of 4.5 to 6 amperes when switched on, and below 2 mA after 30 seconds. It does not perform a little extra job of demagnetising things in the nearby areas including the user.
The applied H field is always directed towards the face of the CRT and operates straight from 220V AC line. So in many establishments, expectant mothers are advised to keep away from colour monitors. It is alleged that while the colour monitor wakes up with a big yawn, the sleeping fetus may be tickled mercilessly.
http://www.electronicsforu.com/efylinux/efyhome/cover/oct2001/pctoxin1.htm (http://www.electronicsforu.com/efylinux/efyhome/cover/oct2001/pctoxin1.htm)
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Hi everybody,
Here are my final thoughts about Steven?s device and over unity in general. If there is more, I don?t mind to change my mind, but no promises to answer all of the questions or objections -:), just don?t have time for everything and don?t like promises, especially in the field of free energy. After this post I am going to recover my old experiment that I mentioned before.
In my opinion, there are two major conditions that make the device to be self-running. The first is known to everybody and the second (which I have never mentioned)?., I hope you are not going to start throwing tomatoes at me -:).
1)It is obvious that the main condition is to have something that provides excess of power. In case of Steven? device it is a ?kick?. We can describe the effect as an effect of the earth magnetic field or we can describe it on the paper. Whatever way is easier to explain it for somebody is the best way to go. For me it was a combination of different ways, a little of nature, a little of mathematic and a little of theory. In the reference to the article that I have posted before ( http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/12.html ) the very last picture shows a change of the current that is at least at the first part (especially if you make an impulse shorter) of it can be described as a function ?k + x^2?. That is why I have said that a more correct way to describe the effect would be ?lim (di/dt)? instead of just ?di/dt?. You can also recall a very famous article ?Nothing is something?, which is not directly related but you might like to search for ??..Electrometer readings were always close to parabolic, thus indicating that the source was of infinite capacity?..?.
By the way, would Steven?s device work out of space?
2)And here is the second condition, where I probably should cover my head, just in case -:). You would be really surprised if I say that even the excess of power is not enough to make the device to be self-running. You need the device to be ABLE to transfer more energy from input to output, or you can say you need unequal behavior between input and output (do not look only at coils even if the coils are all you have). You can use my example with a simple transformer with the time splitting, or Sweet Floyd device with standard and bifilar coils, or a transformer from a standard computer switching power supply, or Steven?s device with the output frequency greater than the base input shown as a vibration and/or gyroscopic effect. Obviously, there are much more examples but it is not that simple in every case to determine what can possibly constitute it. ?Most? of the time the ability of the device to be self-running is determined by the ratio ?output/input?. But let me ask you a question, if both arguments go to infinity, what would be the result? That is where a more correct way would be to say ?lim (output/input) with load -> to infinity?. In other words, you have to determine which part is going to infinity FASTER.
That is it.
Regards.
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What is the simplest experiment to see this 'kick' on a scope, so one can measure it ?
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HI All
Iv been reading alot this seems to be making me think overtime.
Charged particles, like electrons and positive ions, cannot readily move across a magnetic field line. They can move fine along the field lines. In the cosmic arena, these charged particles will take the place of the compass needle in helping us visualize magnetic field lines. The point to remember here, for later discussion, is that a charged particle?s motion is constrained by a magnetic field, but a neutral particle?s (an atom or a molecule) is not.
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My take on the generator ring is: The magnets on top are used to set up a magnetic field from a permanent magnet ring torid. This field is close in strength to that of the earth, which is why the magnets are not directly attached to the ring, but are just close. It provides a 'mask' or a beat frequency like an AM radio (but in this case a permanent magnetic field to beat with the earth's magnetic field). The coil on the lower torid, is cut to a length that equals the beat frequency difference that is realized at the point of the coil on the lower torid. I speculate that the coil is not an open coil, but a closed coil to resonate near 5kz. (The frequency that is created by a repeating occurance of a cancelling of the magnetic field on the lower ring after the magnetic field of the top ring is beat together with the earth's magnetic field (which is delayed due to distance of travel time), the difference resulting in a harmonic (5kz) of the earth's magnetic field compared to the local permanent magnet field).
In short it creates a pulsing of a magnetic field on the lower torid which induces a voltage in the lower coil when 'tuned in' to the frequency of the beating together of these magnetic fields.
Am I getting close Mr. SM?
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The kick implies to me that Mr. SM is introducing a frequency in the lower coil that invokes a pulse back of greater magnitude to start the system producing or oscillating. Then the power is self sustaining?
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Hi all,
Steven aked me to post this
Dear Lindsay,
I am perplexed that everyone thinks that GOOGLE is an accredited reference source.
It is NOT.
Google is a search engine. It is different then a reference library.
And it is very different then a SCIENCE LIBRARY.
NO accredited scientist does any serious reference work sitting at home with GOOGLE.
Google is comprised of information specifically put into in by interested parties.
No scientific information placed there by libraries.
People need to realize this before they die from lack of serious information.
Go to a library!
Sincerely,
SM
Please to not take this as anything but something to further you knowledge... Nothing that steven has revealed is wrong
he really is trying to help people understand his technology ....not DUPLICATE.
Re read this long thread ...relax perhaps some of it will fit.
Every body want somebody else to solve their problems and work out the puzzle.
Large peices of the jigsaw ARE here ...Im sorry to sound condesending.
Lindsay Mannix
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These may be obvious questions... but -
When and where can I buy this device?
This has been working since 1997... right? Is Steven off the grid?
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Perhaps Mr. SM could "bring us along" since we all do not have science libraries available? This is turning out to be an extremely drawn out process that really does not need to take that much time to convey. Perhaps if we pick up the speed a little? I am concerned that we will loose our audience or put them to sleep at this pace of the chase.
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Hallo Steve and Lindsay,
i am glad to see that you give me answer to my question.
Just a bit more from Steven
DEAR LINDSAY,
PLEASE POST THIS RESPONCE TO THE QUESTIONS HE HAS ASKED.
Hallo Steve Mark,
i hope that you still read here because this weekend my head was smoking an i would like to ask you something.
In one of the videos you demonstrate your device which ist connected to a measuring instrument. When you turn it top down the voltage decrease and you had no explanation for it. Now my question: did you try your device already on the earth south site?
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?
It is nice to hear, that my assumption are correct.
You look at this site (unfortunately only in German) but i hope the picture can help you to find an answer of your question and also something similar to your device. the truth question is, from where comes the magnetic force and what is it. I dont know.
http://home.arcor.de/freie.energie/grundlagen/grundlagen.htm (http://home.arcor.de/freie.energie/grundlagen/grundlagen.htm)
And also you read Viktor Schauberger, i think there you can also read something similar to your device, i'm sure.
http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_4.htm (http://www.frank.germano.com/viktorschauberger_4.htm)
For me i was first thinking about the coriolis force (its mor an effect than a known force). hurricans has a left spin on north and vice-versa on south, seen from above and vice-versa seen from down.
http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es1904/es1904page01.cfm?chapter_no=visualization
(http://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/visualizations/es1904/es1904page01.cfm?chapter_no=visualization)
I was also thinking about the exploding TV and the wire found in the the wall. The position in the TV of this wire is NOSW at the CR tube and also the small coils inside at your device. These small coils are enclosed of a big coil like the primary coil of the tesla transformer. May be the direction of winding the small coils is also important. Starting the first "kick" comes from the magnets and the kick is a result of the initial inertia of the free electrons is in the cable. About the control, sure there are condensators, but i dont know how to build it. It could be so, that the small coils successively counter clockwise be induced, so that there it a rotating magnetic field.
regards
Norbert K??ner
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
I read all your posts again carefully and you said already that many of short wires gives more current as voltage out. Last time i open an flyback transformer and i was really surprised to see how thin the wire (as thin as a hair) of the secondary coil is. So we have to pump very fast (frequenzy) to get out high pressure (voltage) acceleration and sufficient electrons (current). It is known that at high frequencies most of the electrons are flowing at the wires surface (for me i think not only). So it makes sense to connect many very thin wire to a bigger one to get out a lot of electrons (more current). I'm sure you know the water drop generator of lord kelvin. Someone made this of a leader plate with one spiral and improved so the effect. It would be surely better if he had made it with plenty of thin spiral and connected to one end. (Just this moment i'm thinking is it somehow possible to biuld with this device a resonant circuit?) Hmm!
http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/RSUltraschall/html/proj7d.htm (http://www.r-s-ultraschall.com/RSUltraschall/html/proj7d.htm)
So i think there are two rings in your device with such kind of spiral in opposite direction. To feel the "kick" it is important to have plenty of thin wire twisted to one cable.
Did you read already something about planar transformators? They are very small and efficient (over 95%).
http://virtual-magnetics.de/ptdeutsch/pt.htm (http://virtual-magnetics.de/ptdeutsch/pt.htm)
http://www.neosid.de/planartr.htm (http://www.neosid.de/planartr.htm)
Because of less experience in electronics i'm still not sure how you manage your device and if there is really a tube somewhere hidden! ;-)
regards
Norbert
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Hi everybody,
Steven asked us a question: ?YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY??
Did anybody try to find an answer?
My curiosity is too high. There are two theories that start fitting each other beautifully. May I try to answer this question? If anybody else has an answer or explanation, or any objections, please let everybody know.
Otherwise, I will try to answer the question, no later then by the end of my day. Please don?t take my answers as the absolute truth, I might be very wrong.
Regards
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Hi All,
Reading through the threads here I think the answer to Steven question is that once his device needs the Earth magnetic field to operate, then it works in reverse due to the change of the magnetic flux when one passes the Equator? (i.e.? North pole - South pole of the Earth as a gigantic magnet).? More precisely if we imagine the Earth as fat rod or rather a sphere magnet and probe it with a Gauss meter that has a pole identification feature, the meter flips when going from North to South or vice versa.? Correct?
Norbert included an interesting link in German language and I think online language translators can be used to make it much more understandable for those not reading in German, see for instance? ? ?http://webtranslation.paralink.com/?
and copy/paste the link which you wish to read in English and choose the Direction of the translation German-English (or other language) and click translate. It gives at least a 90% correct English text which is very good for those not knowing any German.
Regards
Gyula
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YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,? ?THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?
Possibly the same reason why tornados turn in one direction in the north hemisphere and in the opposite direction in the southern hemisphere
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The answer to Steven question, why the device is working in reverse on another side of the equator is very simple but the explanation is not. The answer is because his device is making use of the earth magnetic field.
I can see two major types of the magnetic devices. One type is observing the magnetic flux from outside, like many standard devices, and making use of the force lines, such as ?cutting? them. The second type is observing the magnetic flux by being within the flux itself, ie being inside it and making use of the energy flow. The energy flow on both sides of the magnet is exiting the magnet, not entering, and entering back to the magnet in the middle, such as on the equator. On one side the energy flow has one polarity on another side the energy flow has a different polarity. I would avoid saying just positive and negative. As a result, if the earth magnetic field is used to generate the ?kicks? and/or the rotating field, the direction/polarity of the ?kick(s)? and/or the rotating field would change in reverse on another side of the equator.
Howard Johnston in his book ?The Secret World of Magnets? with a very simple electronic experiment showed the energy flow of the magnet. His electronic experiment, if doesn?t prove it completely, makes a very tough point about it and it is very difficult to neglect.
Regards.
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Hi All,
Norbert included an interesting link in German language and I think online language translators can be used to make it much more understandable for those not reading in German, see for instance http://webtranslation.paralink.com/
Regards
Gyula
thanks for this translator. It translate english to german also very well. for writing english i use the help of googles language tool. and you know, they call it in german "Sprachtool" and this is a mixing of german and english (=GENGLISH?).
regards
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What is the simplest experiment to see this 'kick' on a scope, so one can measure it ?
Probably not with an osilloscope. The phenomenon, if it exists, would only be discernible at voltages in the hundreds of thousands of volts range and it would not register as a voltage spike. It is excess energy but not in the form of an increased current. Rather, one should regard it as a burst of magnetic current flowing outside the conductor.
For my understanding Steven means that the cable real mechanically jumps. You look to the jumper cable (one site shortened) and you can really see that there is a short twitch whenfirst connecting to a car battery.
regards
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Hi all,
Steven aked me to post this
Dear Lindsay,
I am perplexed that everyone thinks that GOOGLE is an accredited reference source.
It is NOT.
Google is a search engine. It is different then a reference library.
And it is very different then a SCIENCE LIBRARY.
NO accredited scientist does any serious reference work sitting at home with GOOGLE.
Google is comprised of information specifically put into in by interested parties.
No scientific information placed there by libraries.
People need to realize this before they die from lack of serious information.
Go to a library!
Sincerely,
SM
Please to not take this as anything but something to further you knowledge... Nothing that steven has revealed is wrong
he really is trying to help people understand his technology ....not DUPLICATE.
Re read this long thread ...relax perhaps some of it will fit.
Every body want somebody else to solve their problems and work out the puzzle.
Large peices of the jigsaw ARE here ...Im sorry to sound condesending.
Lindsay Mannix
Hallo Steven,
what you mean with serious information? who decides which information is serious? lets talk about the internet and not google. google is only a surch engine. For me the internet is the biggest brain on earth. Here you can get inspiration and exchange of thoughts with other peoples around the world, like with you.
Yours sincerely
Norbert
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If lightning isnt caused by clouds rubbing through the air, It maybe that the clouds act like big cappacitors
and collect this earth electo magnetic energy traveling between the earth and the ionesphere, and short out when thy get full of it. Iv read that theres a lightning strike 100 times every second somewhere on earth, thats alot of energy.
Now if water spirals down plugholes anticlockwise in the northern hemisphere and visa versa, and if maybe that is more about electro magnetics than water pesay, or do clouds and water have some affinity to magnetic fields,
which way will the rottating magnetic flux rotate on the eqator?
Does the SM coil act like a botomless sink that just keeps spinning faster and farster?
how do we control the speed and how do we start it turning?
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Hi all,
A bit more from Steven
Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
Dear Stephen,
Thank you for your kind words of sympathy regarding my loss. We both share similar feelings.
In your letter you asked my opinion: I think it is a miracle that your device works. Exactly how it converts energy is elusive to both of us at this time. That does not mean we shouldn't apply ourselves to know for sure. My offer to work with you still stands. I understand your difficulties with the gentlemen you work for and I will not take your decision personally. I will be glad to talk to you and help you all I can. My offer to work on the project was made with the greatest respect and not as some kind of justification to the Foremost Corporation. I told them that from what I could see of your units they did supply substantial amounts of both voltage and current. I told them I could not give any indication of the value of the discovery without knowing more about it. I did recommend that they invest necessary funds to continue working on the discovery and that I was interested in working with you. That is about all I said to them on the subject. Anything you may have heard to the contrary is not true.
To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your units. There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought. Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector coils.
You may also leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
Sincerely,
Roland
Lindsay,
That is the reason why the power inverter is always placed well outside the coils of the power units shown in the videos.
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Lindsay,
I have a question for Stephen. Why has his invention been dormant over the years? Why have we not seen any devices out on the market yet or heard any updates about it? What is the status of his device?
I think the guys are interested in a device to power their personal homes, and this would seem to be a great device to do it with.
Thank you!
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Here we go again
KICK
Lots of kicks
One big kick
lots of big kicks
A collector that is excited by lots of big kicks
Our Magnetic radio tunes in to something else and starts collecting
sounds like a cascade and magnetic radio sounds like a detector http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917de.htm (http://earlyradiohistory.us/1917de.htm).
there was a time they listen radio without any battery.
Any body who wants to give up should do so without discouraging others from continuing..in what ever it may be .
If you think its too hard ..you are absolutely and completely right! well done .
There has been a lot revealed here
Give up if you like... I wont
No, not yet.
look to my attachment. it shows a drawing of how i think it could work. Steven said to me there is a rotating magnetic field. just tell me if i am on the right way.
the large rings has only few turns of many thin insolated wires, like a litz. these two rings are wound with copper-wire coils with alternating number of turns (the golden ratio i think is a good choice) and then connected as in the drawing shown so that it become a rotating magnetig field.
It is only what i'm thinking, so dont laugh on me if i'm wrong.
regards
Norbert
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Hallo Lindsay,
did you see already this devices with your own eyes in reality?
what about the video you want to show us, where we can see the rotating compass needle? I would like also to see this one.
Where he puts the magnet in the big toroid coil? somewhere in the center to the control unit? This part or place where he puts the magnet is there iron or other magnetic material involve?
Thanks Norbert,
Nice diagram and inspiring!
I was beginnng to think that nobody was absorbing the descriptions here.
Worth experimenting with
Ok, when i'm reading around this forum, then it looks like there was some conversation via email between you and lancaIV that lankaIV gets angry. Maybe because of the monkey see, monkey do? And what says me your answer? Hmm
regards
Norbert
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Norbert, where do you see so many coils on the cores in which video ?
I can see maximum 4 coils on one core...
Also as your coils are shown NS NS NS etc.., the flux would be totally inside the core
and not coming out of the core into the air as it would be with the animated GIF.
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Norbert, where do you see so many coils on the cores in which video ?
I can see maximum 4 coils on one core...
Also as your coils are shown NS NS NS etc.., the flux would be totally inside the core
and not coming out of the core into the air as it would be with the animated GIF.
Hallo Harti,
ich stelle mir das mal so vor, dass es eine gro?e Spule ist (quasi als ersatz f?r den eisenkern) mit m?glichst vielen d?nnen von einander isolierten dr?hten (wie bei einer HF-Litze). Auf dieser gro?en Spule sitzen dann die vielen kleinen Spulen mit unterschiedlicher wicklungszahl durch die dann der "kick" l?uft, ?hnlich wie beim HOPE. Woher soll sonst das rotierende magnetfeld kommen, das hat doch Steven ganz klar erw?hnt!? In den videos sind zwei ringe mit einem gewissen abstand zueinander zu erkennen. Also k?nnte man sich doch vorstellen das die gro?e Spule im unteren ring fortgesetzt wird nur das dann die verbindungsreihenfolge der unteren spulen umgekehrt verl?uft bei gleichbleibender stromflu?richtung. Steven hatte etwas von einem ball und rotantio eines feldes erw?hnt :
17 Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
Wie soll man es sich sonst vorstellen was er meint? Die beiden gro?en ringe stellen die nord- und die s?dseite der erde dar. Ich denke mal das sich um das ganze ger?t sobald es "hochgefahren ist" eine gro?es magnetfeld aufbaut ?hnlich wie das erdmagnetfeld.
Hab das jetzt mal in deutsch geschrieben, in englisch w?r mir das jetzt zu umst?ndlich gewesen.
Gru?
Norbert
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Norbert and all,
the question really is, if Steven?s toroidal coils are
really wired like a repelling fluxfield inside the core, so the
magnet field will go out in the air like this:
(http://harti.com/coil/toroid_gen.gif)
( This arrangement and rotation can also be got by
using 90 degrees phase shifter control circuit all total solid state)
or if it is like Norbert said in a NS NS NS NS fashion,
so the flux stays inside the core like the flux of a normal
transformer.
But if the flux stays inside the core I don?t see, how he can
get a compass to rotate in the center of the toroid !
Also there seems to be at least 3 different units,
so each could be designed different...
The main question is, how the coils are wound
and how these "kicks" could be superimposed to get a real
positive feedback circuit which is oscillating with its own power
from these kicks.
Too bad, nobodyhas yet scanned in the pages from the valve book,
where the reference to the kicks are.
Maybe some user from the USA can go to his library and scan in the
pages about these kicks ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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I wonder, if you let rotate 2 of these toroids close at each other
and one toroid?s magnetic flux field turns left around and the other right around,
what kind of superimposed Moiree-Magnetic field pattern will be created in the
airgap around it and if this is enough to get an output coil a few inches
away to induce enough power (about 1 KWatts) like it is shown in the biggest unit ?
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I wonder, if you let rotate 2 of these toroids close at each other
and one toroid?s magnetic flux field turns left around and the other right around,
what kind of superimposed Moiree-Magnetic field pattern will be created in the
airgap around it and if this is enough to get an output coil a few inches
away to induce enough power (about 1 KWatts) like it is shown in the biggest unit ?
I'm also wondering why the HOPE generator is functioning. the only which we can do are eperiments around it to find out.
When you break a magnet you get two new magnets with a north and a south pol and wehn you put two magnet together you get one big magnet. And what about the earth? How the magnetic force and/or field of the earth is generatet?
the two toroid rings become two magnets which are mutually attracting and with opposite rotating magnetic field. And yes, it's crazy to think so.
The Tesla-transformer was build without an iron core but when it comes to coils we think automatically of a iron core like in the animation in your previous post. Why?
regards
Norbert
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Hi every body,
Can anyone tell me what bayling wire is exactly ?
and can anyone give me a link to the hope generator/
Thanks
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Hallo to all,
today i made a test with what i'm thinking how it works. unfortunately the wire gone out so that I could not wind the other ring. I used a 6V Pb-accumulator to produce small sparks and it shows me a flashing light emitting diode. it gives a better result when the anode of the diode is connected to the +pol of the accumulator.
vielleicht ist es ja m?glich das SM mit dem magneten einen art funkeninduktor ansteuert. das kabel f?r den ring ist ein lautsprecherkabel mit gen?gend d?nnen dr?hten, die aber leider nicht einzeln voneinander isoliert sind . war auch nur mal so f?r einen schnellen versuch gedacht und das ganze ist auch nur zusammengewurstelt, ich gebe es zu. leider habe ich keine messger?te um genaueres sagen zu k?nnen.
regards
Gru?
Norbert
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Mannix,
Please ask SM if one compass is placed slightly above the coil and another placed slightly below the coil if both compasses will rotate in exactly the same direction, in unison, and in timing.
Thanks,
Rich
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Here is a page 262 scan courtousy of Jason Owens from
the Valve book !
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When I understand it right, "kick" means in this interpretation a mechanical jump
inside the earth field, but this is just a magnetical caused mechanical movement
and not an electrial induction pulse.... so this is probably not the effect we are looking for...
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Lanca,
normally we have Barkhausen jumps only in Iron material, if I remember
correctly. But this is a tungsten wire in a valve...
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That "kick" needs current to exist.
So, some uS (or mS) after the power is turned on, a HUGE current will flow in the filament,
generating a magnetic field that causes a slight filament movement due to the earth magnetic field.
Is this the same effect Tesla mentioned? The very first instant of a circuit closure?
Is the reciprocal valid? A slight movement will generate a huge current on the wire?
http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/tesla.htm (http://www.rialian.com/rnboyd/tesla.htm)
The Unusual Radiations Produced by Nikola Tesla
(c) Robert Neil Boyd
"Secrets of Cold War Technology", a book by Gerry Vassilatos
OVERVIEW:
"The sudden quick closure of the switch now brought a penetrating shockwave throughout the laboratory, one which could be felt both as a sharp pressure and a penetrating electrical irritation. A "sting". Face and hands were especially sensitive to the explosive shockwaves, which also produced a curious "stinging" effect at close range...
"Tesla shielded himself with several materials. The arrangement of rapidly interrupted high voltage direct currents resulted in the radiation of stinging rays which could be felt at great distances from their super-sparking source. In fact, Tesla felt the stings right through the shields! Whatever had been released from the wires during the instant of switch closure, successfully penetrated the shields of glass and of copper. It made no difference, the effect permeated each substance as if the shield were not there at all...
"Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest...
"The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure... He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field...
"By properly adjusting the inherent circuit parameters, Tesla learned how to produce an extremely rapid series of unidirectional impulses on demand. When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects. Able to feel the stinging shocks, though shielded at a distance of nearly fifty feet from his apparatus...
"Controlling the rapidity of current blowout in the magnetic DC arc, Tesla released a new spectrum of light-like energies throughout his large gallery space. These energetic species were like no other which the world has since seen. Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature..."
FURTHER DETAIL:
TESLA RADIANT ENERGY:
SHOCKWAVES
"... while endeavoring toward his own means for identifying electrical waves, Tesla was blessed with an accidental observation which forever changed the course of his experimental investigations. Indeed, it was an accident which forever changed the course of his life and destiny. In his own attempts to achieve where he felt Hertz had failed, Tesla developed a powerful method by which he hoped to generate and detect real electromagnetic waves. Part of this apparatus required the implementation of a very powerful capacitor bank. This capacitor "battery" was charged to very high voltages, and subsequently discharged through short copper bus-bars. The explosive bursts thus obtained produced several coincident phenomena which deeply impressed Tesla, far exceeding the power of any electrical display he had ever seen. These proved to hold an essential secret which he was determined to uncover.
The abrupt sparks, which he termed "disruptive discharges", were found capable of exploding wires into vapor. They propelled very sharp shockwaves, which struck him with great force across the whole front of his body. Of this surprising physical effect, Tesla was exceedingly intrigued. Rather like gunshots of extraordinary power than electrical sparks, Tesla was completely absorbed in this new study. Electrical impulses produced effects commonly associated only with lightning. The explosive effects reminded him of similar occurrences observed with high voltage DC generators. A familiar experience among workers and engineers, the simple closing of a switch on a high voltage dynamo often brought a stinging shock, the assumed result of residual static charging.
This hazardous condition only occurred with the sudden application of high voltage DC. This crown of deadly static charge stood straight out of highly electrified conductors, often seeking ground paths which included workmen and switchboard operators. In long cables, this instantaneous charge effect produced a hedge of bluish needles, pointing straight away from the line into the surrounding space. The hazardous condition appeared briefly, at the very instant of switch closure. The bluish sparking crown vanished a few milliseconds later, along with the life of any unfortunate who happened to have been so "struck". After the brief effect passed, systems behaved as designed. Such phenomena vanished as charges slowly saturated the lines and systems. After this brief surge, currents flowed smoothly and evenly as designed.
The effect was a nuisance in small systems. But in large regional power systems where voltages were excessive, it proved deadly. Men were killed by the effect, which spread its deadly electrostatic crown of sparks throughout component systems. Though generators were rated at a few thousand volts, such mysterious surges represented hundreds of thousands, even millions of volts. The problem was eliminated through the use of highly insulated, heavily grounded relay switches. Former engineering studies considered only those features of power systems which accommodated the steady state supply and consumption of power. It seemed as though large systems required both surge and normal operative design considerations. Accommodating the dangerous initial "supercharge" was a new feature. This engineering study became the prime focus of power companies for years afterward, safety devices and surge protectors being the subject of a great many patents and texts.
Tesla knew that the strange supercharging effect was only observed at the very instant in which dynamos were applied to wire lines, just as in his explosive capacitor discharges. Though the two instances were completely different, they both produced the very same effects. The instantaneous surge supplied by dynamos briefly appeared super-concentrated in long lines. Tesla calculated that this electrostatic concentration was several orders in magnitude greater than any voltage which the dynamo could supply. The actual supply was somehow being amplified or transformed. But how?...
The high voltage of the dynamo exerted such an intense unidirectional pressure on the densified charges that alternations were impossible. The only possible backrushes were oscillations. In this case, charges surged and stopped in a long series until the supercharge was wasted away. All parameters which forced such oscillations actually limited the supercharge from manifesting its total energetic supply, a condition Tesla strove to eliminate. Indeed he spent an excessive time developing various means to block every "backrush" and other complex current echo which might forced the supercharge to prematurely waste its dense energy. Here was an effect demanding a single unidirectional super pulse. With both the oscillations and alternations eliminated, new and strange effects began making their appearance. These powerful and penetrating phenomena were never observed when working with high frequency alternations...
The sudden quick closure of the switch now brought a penetrating shockwave throughout the laboratory, one which could be felt both as a sharp pressure and a penetrating electrical irritation. A "sting". Face and hands were especially sensitive to the explosive shockwaves, which also produced a curious "stinging" effect at close range. Tesla believed that material particles approaching the vapor state were literally thrust out of the wires in all directions. In order to better study these effects, he poised himself behind a glass shield and resumed the study. Despite the shield, both shockwaves and stinging effects were felt by the now mystified Tesla. This anomaly provoked a curiosity of the very deepest kind, for such a thing was never before observed. More powerful and penetrating than the mere electrostatic charging of metals, this phenomenon literally propelled high voltage charge out into the surrounding space where it was felt as a stinging sensation. The stings lasting for a small fraction of a second, the instant of switch closure. But Tesla believed that these strange effects were a simple effect of ionized shockwaves in the air, rather like a strongly ionized thunderclap.
Tesla devised a new series of experiments to measure the shockwave pressure from a greater distance. He required an automatic "trip switch". With this properly arranged, a more controlled and repetitious triggering of the effect was possible. In addition, this arrangement permitted distant observations which might cast more light on the shield-permeating phenomenon. Controlling the speed of the high voltage dynamo controlled the voltage. With these components properly adjusted, Tesla was able to walk around his large gallery spaces and make observations. Wishing also to avoid the continuous pressure barrage and its stinging sparks, Tesla shielded himself with several materials. The arrangement of rapidly interrupted high voltage direct currents resulted in the radiation of stinging rays which could be felt at great distances from their super-sparking source. In fact, Tesla felt the stings right through the shields! Whatever had been released from the wires during the instant of switch closure, successfully penetrated the shields of glass and of copper. It made no difference, the effect permeated each substance as if the shield were not there at all. Here was an electrical effect which communicated directly through space without material connections. Radiant electricity!...
RADIANT ELECTRICITY
Through successive experimental arrangements, Tesla discovered several facts concerning the production of his effect. First, the cause was undoubtedly found in the abruptness of charging. It was in the switch closure, the very instant of "closure and break", which thrust the effect out into space. The effect was definitely related to time, IMPULSE time. Second, Tesla found that it was imperative that the charging process occurred in a single impulse. No reversal of current was permissible, else the effect would not manifest. In this, Tesla made succinct remarks describing the role of capacity in the spark-radiative circuit. He found that the effect was powerfully strengthened by placing a capacitor between the disrupter and the dynamo. While providing a tremendous power to the effect, the dielectric of the capacitor also served to protect the dynamo windings. Not yet sure of the process at work in this phenomenon, Tesla sought the empirical understanding required for its amplification and utilization. He had already realized the significance of this unexpected effect The idea of bringing this strange and wondrous new phenomenon to its full potential already suggested thrilling new possibilities in his mind. He completely abandoned research and development of alternating current systems after this event, intimating that a new technology was about to unfold.
The effect could also be greatly intensified to new and more powerful levels by raising the voltage, quickening the switch "make-break" rate, and shortening the actual time of switch closure. Thus far, Tesla employed rotating contact switches to produce his unidirectional impulses. When these mechanical impulse systems failed to achieve the greatest possible effects, Tesla sought a more "automatic" and powerful means. He found this "automatic switch" in special electrical arc dischargers. The high voltage output of a DC generator was applied to twin conductors through his new arc mechanism, a very powerful permanent magnet sitting crosswise to the discharge path. The discharge arc was automatically and continually "blown out" by this magnetic field...
By properly adjusting the inherent circuit parameters, Tesla learned how to produce an extremely rapid series of unidirectional impulses on demand. When the impulses were short, abrupt, and precise in their successions, Tesla found that the shocking effect could permeate very large volumes of space with apparently no loss of intensity. He also found that the shocking effect penetrated sizable metal shields and most insulators with ease. Developing a means for controlling the number of impulses per second, as well as the intermittent time intervals between each successive impulse, he began discovering a new realm of effects. Each impulse duration gave its own peculiar effects. Able to feel the stinging shocks, though shielded at a distance of nearly fifty feet from his apparatus, Tesla recognized at once that a new potential for electrical power transmission had been revealed to him. Tesla was first to understand that electrical shock waves represented a new means for transforming the world... Tesla found it impossible to measure a diminution in radiant force at several hundred yards...
Also, Tesla wished to determine the effect of gradually decreased impulse durations required greatest skill and precaution. Tesla knew that he would be exposing himself to mortal danger. Controlling the rapidity of current blowout in the magnetic DC arc, Tesla released a new spectrum of light-like energies throughout his large gallery space. These energetic species were like no other which the world has since seen. Tesla found that impulse duration alone defined the effect of each succinct spectrum. These effects were completely distinctive, endowed with strange additional qualities never purely experienced in Nature. Moreover, Tesla observed distinct color changes in the discharge space when each impulse range had been reached or crossed. Never before seen discharge colorations did not remain a mystery for long. Trains of impulses, each exceeding 0.1 millisecond duration, produced pain and mechanical pressures. In this radiant field, objects visibly vibrated and even moved as the force field drove them along. Thin wires, exposed to sudden bursts of the radiant field, exploded into vapor. Pain and physical movements ceased when impulses of 100 microseconds or less were produced. These latter features suggested weapon systems of frightful potentials.
With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light At these impulse frequencies, Tesla was able to stimulate the appearance of effects which are normally admixed among the electromagnetic energies inherent in sunlight. Shorter impulses produced cool room penetrating breezes, with an accompanying uplift in mood and awareness. There were no limits in this progression toward impulses of diminished duration. None of these impulse energies could be duplicated through the use of high frequency harmonic alternations, those which Sir Oliver Lodge popularized, and which later was embodied in Marconi Wave Radio. Few could reproduce these effects because so few understood the absolute necessity of observing those parameters set by Tesla. These facts have been elucidated by Eric Dollard, who also successfully obtained the strange and distinct effects claimed by Tesla."
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That "kick" needs current to exist.
So, some uS (or mS) after the power is turned on, a HUGE current will flow in the filament,
generating a magnetic field that causes a slight filament movement due to the earth magnetic field.
Is this the same effect Tesla mentioned? The very first instant of a circuit closure?
Is the reciprocal valid? A slight movement will generate a huge current on the wire?
In the valve book above it is written, that the huge current is only flowing,
cause the resistance is much lower in cold condition of the filament
and the circuit was designed with the filament being hot to have the
correct resistance... so the mechanical kick comes only
from the much higher current from cold filaments and their
movement inside the earthfield.
But this is no electrical induction kick which Steven has spoken of.
So where is the electrical induction kick ?
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So please start making kicks interact with other kicks .. you never know you might just strike gold!
Interesting that the KICK was the first thing that Steven chose to reveal.
I think a good way of doing this experiment is using a power mosfet and a pulse generator.
Yes, but what are you pulsing with the Power Mosfet ?
A transformer ? What kind of transformer ?
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Tesla harnessed the "kick" by discharging caps across a spark gap. The information previous about the duration are correct.
I believe the spark is led by an ionization... just like lightning. Apparently this ionization would run up the coil. That appears to be more capacitance than inductance. So maybe then there is no current at all in the coil (at 100ms) and so there is zero inductance.
So it's electrostatic in nature?
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So please start making kicks interact with other kicks .. you never know you might just strike gold!
Interesting that the KICK was the first thing that Steven chose to reveal.
Good kick Hunting!
There is a book about Nicola Tesla "The Man who Had lightning in his hand". I suggest that you find a copy of that book and read it. In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!
did somebody also try out already this?
could it be that the magnet gives the first "kick" but this kick is separated in two "kicks" flowing then in opposite direction?
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hallo to all,
look at this sites maybe they can help us to understand the "KICK".
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html)
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html)
and in german translation
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html)
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/fresonant.html (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=en_de&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.richieburnett.co.uk/fresonant.html)
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Thanks Renseak for the interesting link !
This is the condition we need to get:
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/runaway.gif
I have to study thus further.
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Some interesting data on Stephen Mark !!
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Please don?t post this disinformation crap over here again.
Thanks. ( moderator)
Raymond Dale?s postings are disinformation.
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http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/gb191301098.pdf
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm#notes
It occurs to me that the SM unit appears to be a solid state compact functional version of the Roy Meyers device of 1913 as listed above.
Question: Is there any strongly diamagnetic material involved in the SM unit or is diamagnetism known to be involved in the oveall process?
As an aside, below is a facinating display of what appears to me to involve more than just diamagnetic levitation. The silver disk shows resistance to being moved, and once moved it wants to stay in one place. However, is spins quite easily in place. Yet..it will lift the bar below it...facinating.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/2006/03/magnet.html
Certainly gravity, which appears to be a "push" force ...or perhaps gravity is a secondary effect of another primary force...it would appear to effect the SM unit in regard to it ceasing when turned upside down...this would also indicate that perhaps whatever resonance or energy exchange that is occurring may be using the "top" of the unit as it's focal point for transceiving same. The gyroscopic effect adds further indications. Tesla's theory of gravity involves Radiant Energy flowing into the Earth and having an effect on the material above the surface (as I understand it).? Also, Bill Lyne is absolutely sure that the space-time continuum is made rigid by high frequency, very high voltage waveforms and can then be pulled against using electrical DC high voltage - sounds rather like the way the SM unit reacts.
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Hi all,
I found this site yesterday off a link on Keelynet. I have read thru this thread only once, but I got so excited, I thought I would jump in. I didn't want to be left out of this bit of history.
I am a retired musician, but I have always had an interest in science. Not mathematical, but practical.
In regards to the initial kick, reference was made about Tesla in the "Lost Science" book. A better reference in the same book was about T. Townsend Brown on page 237 when he observed the heavy cables jump up when a plasma tube was demonstrated when he was a young lad in school. He observed the cable jump up when first energized, and a second jump when the current stopped. The first jump was bigger than the second jump. This led to his career path and dream of creating a spacedrive.
When I studied electronics, it was vacuum tubes. The class project was for each student to build his own 5 tube superheterodyne receiver. In a superhet, a strong frequency is beat against the weak radio signal. This creates a third frequency which is the difference or the sum of the two frequencies. This signal is much stronger than the weak original radio signal, and this is what is amplified downstream.
Here is my take on what Steven Mark has kindly decided to give of his time. Of course I am just a musician, I could be way off target?
The heart of the generator is three coils next to each other. The primary coil is part of a tank circuit that is tuned to oscillate around 180,000 hertz. This is the supposedly natural frequency of magnetism as per Coler device or MRA, if my memory serves me right?
When the magnet is inserted, it provides the initial kick to put this primary coil into oscillation. The secondary coil is part of a tank circuit that is tuned just 7.3hertz lower or higher than the primary circuit. The two higher frequencies will beat against each other creating this third frequency of 7.3 hertz. This is the frequency of the third coil tank circuit. The natural Schumann resonant frequency reinforces this cycle, which in turn reinforces the other two coils because they are all closely coupled. The slightly out of phase circuits create a virtual wave that chases itself around the torus creating the magnetic vortex. Power is taken off the capacitor of the appropriate tank circuit.
I hope this helps?
tishatang
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Put the whole thing in a gyro and it'll go anywhere :)
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The whole thing about using two frequencies to net a third sounds reasonable. And certainly the theory of the position of the magnet makes sense...
I really like this theory. :) But like all theories it must be tested... and towards that end... allow me to play "devil's advocate" :D
If the third circuit resonates at a frequency that pulls energy in from a resonate cavity (between the earth and the ionosphere) then why isn't it charging all the time?
Doesn't the theory require an assumption that the third circuit is capable of pulling energy from "the aether" - does that mean it should be able to work without the other two circuits?
But that is a mute point for now. I only bring it up because it is the essence of the theory.... that the thrid coil pulls energy from something.
Alsio - are we sure the circuits are tank circuits? In a resonate tank circuit, the reactance of the coil should be eliminated. This is not what appears to be happening with the device - i.e. the gyroscopic effect.
Maybe caps are in series with the coils? This would draw as much current as possible.
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Hi all,
The third resonant frequency (Schumann) is too weak to overcome losses by itself to sustain resonance. Or, if it could sustain resonance in a circuit, as soon as you tried to extract power, it would stop.
Let me explain again the superhet principal that made radio come of age from the crystal sets.
The weak radio station tuned to receive is mixed with a stronger frequency in a tube. When you mix two frequencies together, you create two additional frequencies. One is the sum of the two original frequencies and the other is the difference between the two frequencies. These two frequencies are stronger than the original signal because of the strength of the added frequency. In our case we know to look for a frequency of around 7.4 hertz.
The first coil is finely tuned to 174k and we really can't mess with it. The third coil is finely tuned to 7.4 hertz and we can't mess with it. So, the control must come from the created frequency of the second coil that we energize with the battery of the controller. The controller is a varible capacitor the detunes the resonance of the second coil. The first kick start is the magnet, the second kick start is the battery powered second frequency. The third kick start is the shcumann resonance, even though weak, is just enough to build little by little up to usable power.
There is a forth coil, which is the fewer heavy turns for output. I assume these coils to be all flatwound and stacked on top of one another. Does anyone know for sure if the coils are torus wound or flatwound?
Does anyone catch a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel?
Tishatang
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A very bright light indeed. I hope it's not a train. :D
Seems easy to test though. :)
The 174khz circuit and the (166.6khz or 181.4khz) circuit create a frequency of 7.4hz which is picked up by the 7.4hz coil.... and that powers it and increases it's "size" to something large enough to pick up more of the Schuman resonance.
Do you think the magnet is needed? Why not just use another battery? Then you could use any two freq. that were 7.4 apart.
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Hold on a tic... I can see the approaching magnet inducing current. But what happens after that... it's not moving.
Still a very good theory. :)
What does that magnet do?
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Elvis
The magnet is necessary for several reasons. ?It locks in the exact magetic frequency just like a crystal. ?If you take it out, the circuit drifts and loses its resonance. ?When Steven takes it out of his working device, it winds down.
I feel the magnet acts not only as a crystal to lock in frequency, it also acts something like a diode to rectify the pulses of the magnetic field.
If you read about the Coler device on Rexsearch, they speculated there was more energy in one direction than the other. ?In other words, a static magnet has even balanced fields, but when used in a circuit, there is more energy one direction creating ?unbalanced fields. ?This accounts for the energy collected.
As I think about it, you are correct about the power circuit being a series resonance and not a tank circuit. ?the fewer heavy windings would need more inductance to be in resonance and I suggest a coil solenoid rigged as a safety switch as shown in the patent by Roy Meyers, also on Rexresearch. ?When the output reaches a certain level, it opens the switch as a safety cutoff.
I don't think there is any runway danger until a vortex is created? ?Then all bets are off. ?Mayben the safety switch has to also turn off the resonant tank circuits beside the power circuit? ?The fact that there is an gyroscopic effect with just fields which have no mass, means to me there is a gravity effect. ?Bruce dePalma proved rotating masses fall at a different rates than the same objects not rotating.
Perhaps, rotating fields effect gravity? ?If I knew how to work my computer better, I would post links. ?I am recalling from memory just to get these ideas down. ?I wish I were a younger man.
Steven, if you still have a working machine, place it on a sensitive scale to see if it gains or loses weight?
If so, Eureka! an easier way to achieve antigravity. ?Think about it. ?Let's say it gained a little weight running in its normal state. ?It does not want to run when it is upside down. ?What if you force fed it with energy to make it run, it might just want to take off?
As you can see, even though I am an old fart, my mind likes to wonder.
Anyway, if Steven has time to look at these posts, he might hint that we are warm or cold in this line of reasoning.
Good luck to all,
Tishatang
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My apologies for such an ignorant question. I am not familiar in any way with electronics...some might say that this is good since
I haven't had any classical electronics training thus granting one a more open spectrum of what can and cannot be done, but the risks of injury/death definitely outweigh the former in being responsible and taking prudent care of oneself and those around.
I definitely understand the caution taken by those being responsible enough, not to just let the average person get hurt
by falling of the cliff and trying to duplicate the excellent results thus far obtained blindfolded so to speak.
My interests do lie in the direction of getting/creating free energy to the people. I'm sure by now with all the martyrs,
people that are more or less in the know understand that the only possible way(barring some ET intervention) to get humanity off the grid is to give the tech. away for free to as many able people as possible.
How does one tune and keep a coil tuned to a necessary frequency of 174/166Hz ?
Thank you for the privilege to communicate and apologies for my lack of knowledge in this area.
Kindest Regards to all. Leon ;D
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Hello,
I forgot to add some value hopefully to this whole discussion. I came across the following website:
http://zelator.topcities.com/odd.htm
It had information on:
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Ed Leedskalnin was the gentleman who built Coral Castle moving enormous slabs of rock by himself. He apparently used the same technology employed by Egyptians, Sumerians, Mayans etc. (More than likely soundwave/antigravity technology) Good article by Gary Val Tenuta since pulled from his website but available here. his is one of the more popular articles on site.
Transcribed here are three of the booklets Leedskalnin used to sell to tourists at the castle.
Magnetic Currents
Magnetic Currents 2
Magnetic Currents 3
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These three text files on the website have very interesting simple experiments into magnetic currents. I thought it might be usefull
to some of the folks here in integrating/creating.
I would also like to add that we shouldn't hold each other back by keeping secrets...this has been going on for too long...
hence the arrested development we've all been living since Keely, Russell, Tesla, Reich, Schauberger, etc...Humanity has been kept in check from flourishing into paradise/ecstasy by the various entities focused on secrets and mind control of the masses.
Please lets get more responsible with each other.
Kindest Regards, Leon ;D
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Leon,
The resonant freq. of a series LC circuit is derived from the properties of capacitor and the inductor involved.
Here's a link for you - http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html
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Hi all:
Well I have been trying to make sense of all this. I have been through the messages and video and I keep comming up with the same things.
1 7.23 hrtz opperation frequency
2 Multiple harmonics there of
3 Counter clockwise rotation of a magnetic vortex
4 Kicks are simply where the harmonics overlap as follows:
positive side: 1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3 1
negative side: 3 1 2 2 3 1 2 2 3
these kicks pose a very interesting wave form when seen on a scope.
Somewhere in this has to be some caps. That would make it a definate LC resonate device. Although he does specificly state that the device must never reach a resonate state. That would be the purpose of the "box" to slightly detune and keep it there. In the large device I can see what surely looks like a pair of caps.
What still has me wondering is what is being triggered with the placing of the magnet???? It was a simple ceramic magnet from the looks.
From the math it looks like the small 25watt unit is running at 400 ma and the large is at 850 ma. Thats not a lot but then considering where it seems to be comming from makes that a different ball park. I would like to get physical size measures of the large coil so I can wind up a test coil. Any one have any ideas on that?
Sugra
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Hi All,
Wel,l I finally downloaded the video of what I am going to call Version2, the one lighting two lamps. So far all my comments have been on observing the very blurry first videos and a frequency of 7.4 hertz. I live in the country and only have a slow modem connection. If anyone can send me a link for the clear video that shows litz wire, would be appreciated although, I will eventually get to it.
For the following comments, let us assume that the magnetic resonance frequency is a given at 175k hertz. And, that the magnet excites the primary coil circuit tuned to resonance at 175k. Let us also assume that my idea of how it works is close to being correct.
I am going to try and look at this through Steven's eyes and do a narrative that may have nothing to do with reality, but it at least will follow a logical path that will hopefully give so ideas to bulding some experimental hardware.
Version 1 is beatiful in its purity. It uses the natural frequency of magnets to generate power. It is sustained by the natural Schumann resonance of 7.5 hertz. It should work even better in the middle of the desert away from modern electrical pollution.
However, breakthrough it is, Steven realizes it has problems and can be improved. To get any kick at all from the S. frequency, the circuit has to be tuned to its fundamental note of 7.4 hertz meaning realitivly large components. A higher harmonic frequency would be so weak it would be lost in the noise of our modern electrical society. Another problem is, it's scary! The slight phase difference in freqency creates a rotating field that has to be carefully controlled to prevent runaway. ( Remember the emploding TV scenario).
Instead of trying to find a weak signal amid the noise, why not use the pollution to maintain resonance? The 60 cycle emf fields are virtually everywhere. If I tune to 60 cycles, I still have to deal with relatively large components. If I tune to 6,000 hertz, I can get impressive power using relatively small components. The sub harmonic of 60 hertz will still give plenty of kick to maintain resonance. And, I won't have as much worry about controlling a runaway situation due to a sight phase difference. It may not work in the middle of the desert. But how many peole live in the desert anyway?
So, Steven goes on to design Version 2. He realizes that instead of just placing the magnet next to the resonant coil, if he incorporates the magnet into the circuit so that the current flows through it, he gets even more power. This is done in the Roy Meyer device and the coler device. See Rexresearch.com
The theory is that the magnet works something like a diode. Notice that Version 2 has two magnets each doing its half the cycle and that they are placed into a special holder (with contacts?).
Remember, Steven said no special massive electronic tricks. Mostly just frequencies and coils and magnets. Both Coler and Meyer were working simple devices that you could put your hands around. But they didn't know the exact magnetic frequency of 175k hertz. And were just lucky getting partial harmonics to maintain a weak resonance. Think of their magnets as capacitor plates along with their respective coils forming tuned resonant circuits with the current going through the magnets and you basically have the basics of the process as I see it. Of course I could be wrong, I'm only a musician .
Gentlemen, start your soldering irons,
Tishatang
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I won't speculate about steven... mannix is touchy about that... ;)
But... considering your theory Tishatang... and I *like* the theory too - it's the same thing I was dicussing over the last couple of months in another thread... resonant circuits in cascade... so when you posted, I was very interested in hearing someone else back up what I had been considering.
I thought I could get enough voltage out of a loop antenna to begin a resonance (with a cap in series with the antenna) and begin to power the antenna to increase it's size (electronically) and capture more and more. Of course the question is how to get the power out of the circuit...
But - back to this theory. Is it really that simple? The magnet induces current without motion?
But why not maximize that? Why then use 7.4?
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Yes,
I think things can be simple. Our minds try to justify their existence by thinking too much.
Roy Meyers circa 1912, in a prison tool shed makes something that works.
Hans Coler circa 1940 a tinkerer makes something that works.
Serendipity revealed to them some magic combination that got an effect.
If they could do ti, we can do it !
All I am trying to do is look at Steven's device given the parameters and hints we have been given.
since we don't have a direct dialog with Steven, we have to start somewhere to explain what we see. If the first device
ran at 7.4hertz and the second device ran at 6k hertz, what made Steven go to the second design?
I chose to do little bit of fantasy to illustrate a thinking process. Otherwise, we will go on discussing little tidbits here and there and
miss the overall picture.
As exciting as the MRA story was to read, it is a nonlinear scalar device. My gut feeling is that Steven's 7.4 hertz device is on the edge of a scalar device. How many pieces of lab gear must Steven have lost in developing that first working model? A rotating field to produce power is OK, but if it has the potential to slip into a vortex of unknown potential, we have to be very careful. I can see why Steven is so cautious.
Tishatang
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What specifically does he mean by the 7.4hz and the 6khz? Is that the cycle of the output?
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It is the AC ripple on top of the DC output.
Download videos!
link: http://ntint.ntinternals.net/
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It occurred to me that in this digital age, fundamental electronic theory might not be explained like the "good old days".
Here is a link some of the old books0 (free download)
http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm
I used the "The
Amatuer Radio Handbook" fifty years ago and somehow I still remember some of the stuff even tho I never worked in electronics.
tishatang
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The magnet initates a Barkhausen effect which produces an initial current or "kick" which can be picked up by a coil.
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could somebody please list a link and a book that will alow me to learn all about frequencies as well as a few other things that you all are talking about so that i may follow (i just need the basics i can figure it out from there) thanks,
danny
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On March the 20th Kosh may have quoted the valve textbook when he wrote about how mechanical damage occurs to filaments of valves due to a reaction force being developed between the current and the Earth?s magnetic field. This is hardly overunity as the energy is supplied by the current source and not the Earth?s magnetic field. Energy can be supplied by the Earth?s magnetic field but in this example I believe that it cannot be explained by standard electrical engineering theory involving cutting lines of flux. Rather the Earth?s magnetic field should be seen as mediating in the exchange of energy between the Earth and the Sun. I have concluded that the Earth does not directly receive much EM radiation from the Sun, but rather packets of magnetic energy in the form of source free magnetic vortices are trapped by the Earth's magnetic field which acts as a vast solar energy collector. How light, heat and other EM radiation could be formed can be demonstrated by considering the luminous effects that occur when UFOs take off. UFOs utilize counter rotating magnet assemblies like the Mikell device and as these spin faster a range of colours is seen culminating in white. In fact the whole spectrum of EM radiation is emitted as air atoms are ionized and excited. Once they observed this the black project scientists understood how the Sun really generates EM radiation - not from nuclear fusion but rather from turbulence in it's magnetic field interacting with it's atmosphere. In support of this hypothesis is the fact that the planets with considerable magnetic fields also have luminous atmospheres. The Sun has the most powerful magnetic field and also the most luminous atmosphere.
The hypothesis I have put forward at this forum is that free energy devices pump the ionosphere until a resonance is achieved with a magnetic vortex directing these magnetic particles back to the device as a magnetic current or 'cold electricity'. The curious thing about the Mark device is that it appears to output RF current judging by the flame like discharge made by a short circuit shown in the video. This suggests that there is more than one way of extracting energy from the ionosphere. You ought to carefully study this paper that puts forward the hypothesis that it is possible to pump the ionophere with verticaly reflecting antennas to obtain RF energy:
RF Energy via Solar/Ionospheric Resonance
http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/RFenergy_iono.htm
Byers has put forward the hypothesis that the ionosphere acts as a massive solar energy collector which can be stimulated with RF emissions to reflect energy back to a transmitter using a technique similar to Masers. Atoms in the ionosphere are ionized by solar UV photons and put into a higher higher energy state which represents stored solar energy. He proposes a system whereby a source of RF energy can be amplified by the stimulated emission of photons of the same frequency and phase as the source as these excited atoms drop to lower energy levels. Since the ionosphere reflects radio waves there would be a frequency at which standing waves would developed inside this resonant cavity and feedback would lead to amplified coherent radiation within it. The flaw with this proposal is that the frequency of the hyperfine structure of air atoms would be in the gighertz range which would require a cavity much smaller than that between the Earth and the ionosphere. However, Byers does support his hypothesis with a spectrum analyzer graph of an ionosounding test which shows a resonance at 5.456 Mhz with a broad sholder of stimulated emissins from 5.3 Mhz to 6 Mhz.
Another paper worth studying is this one from the Swedish Institiute Of Space Physics:
Stimulated Electromagnetic Emissions
http://www.physics.irfu.se/SEE/
This paper describes experiments in which powerful radio transmitters were used to induce turbulence in the ionosphere and study wave-plasma interactions. The electric field component of the radio wave induces variations in the electron density at intervals of one wavelength resulting in longitudinal waves called Langmuir waves. Part of the incident wave is reflected back at a higher frequency implying an energy gain since the energy of a wave is proportional to it's frequency. Here is an interesting quote that may have some relevence to the Mark device:
'The pump waves used in the experiments were circularly polarised and depending on the direction of rotation of the field components, clockwise (ordinary) or anticlockwise (extraordinary) the effect could or could not be observed. This indicated that the magnetic field was an important contributor to the observed scattering effect.'
We know that the Mark device emits a rotating wave because the correct orientation of the coil depends on which hemisphere the device is located at. This can be explained by the Coriolis effect. This is the apparant deflection of a moving object in a rotating frame of reference such as, in this case, the Earth's magnetic field. The analogy might not be valid because the Mark coil does not look much like a radio antenna, but I could be wrong.
Another way in which the Earth's magnetic field could be a source of energy could be connected with the action of solar electrons trapped in the torroidal Van Allen radiation belts. The Earth's magnetic field bend the paths of charges so that they move perperdiculary to the field lines, i. e. in circles or spirals around the field lines, of which the frequency depends on the charge and the mass of the particle in question. Since these circulating electrons accelerate towards the centre of their motion they emit radio waves called 'cyclotron radiation' Pump waves corresponding in frequency to this cyclotron radiation electrons tend to further accelerate the gyro motion, just like a forced harmonic oscillator.
I do not know if any of this is really relevant to understanding the Mark device but it may point the way to further research. Here are some links you may find useful for background reading
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Magnetic Fields Of the Planets
http://www.es.ucl.ac.uk/research/planetaryweb/undergraduate/dom/magrev/magtoc.htm
Living Reviews In Solar Physics
http://solarphysics.livingreviews.org/
The Sun's Magnetic Field
http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/solarmag.html
Magnetism Is Key To Mystery Of the Sun
http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlkop/magmyst.html
Do magnetic waves heat the solar atmosphere?
http://academic.evergreen.edu/z/zita/talks/2003Portland/03APS.ppt
Mikell Device
http://www.fdp.nu/mikelldevice/thedevice.asp
Magnetic Energy To Heal the Planet
http://www.magneticenergy.co.uk
http://www.geocities.com/magneticdiscoveryclub
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well... if the magnet he sticks to the device initiates current in a coil... which I guess is a given... I don't see how the "king" is sending other electrons down another wire a short time later - or several times.
Perhaps the secret is in the "bing weavy" - though I'm not sure what the hell that is.
I've noticed you post the same thing twice (or more) alot. Maybe you have a sticky v-key?
Here's my story - hehe - One day the king went to the local tavern to have a few beers. He noticed a wench who seemed eager to put out... and so the king bought her a drink, and then another... and listened to her stories about how she loved , and couln't wait to get back to the castle and bang the king. But of course, she wasn't ready yet... and so the king sat and listened to her talk for hours about all sorts of things.
The king was very bored - but very horny... and so he sat and listened, hoping that his patience would pay off.
Many people approached the king and whispered in his ear that the wench was a -tease. But the wench assured the king that she was worth the wait... and that when she was ready... and if she had enough to drink... she would definitely "rock his world."
So the king continued to listen. Occasionally, he would make a proposition... but the wench would say that, though she was in fact a , she was not a slut... and she would not put out unless he tried harder.
And so the king continued to play along.
There were other suitors too. They all made propositions - and the wench would ramble on and on about how horny all these propositions were making her... and that soon, she would be so horny that she would fuck the whole lot of them right there in the tavern.
As they talked into the night - noone noticed the bulge in the wenches skirt. ;)
And that's where the story ends.
I'll leave it up to you to decide whether the wench was a guy... or a tease... or both. :P
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@Stephan: OK, first post in this thread, has anyone posted a comprehensive list of all the clues here? I suggest this:
A new post, that is a locked sticky that contains 4 lists... for example:
1. What we know for sure about the device and it's operation.
A. Device generates power by taking advantage of the earths magnetic field.
B. Device consists of one or more coils in a special arrangement.
a. One coil is composed of many small pieces of wire connected in series or parallel.
b. One coils is composed of a heavier gauge wire than the other.
c. The king's electrons "jump" from one coil to the other.
C. Device is toroidal in it's physical aspect.
D. Device requires initial Kick to be introduced by a magnet, at which point it self runs.
E. Device generates in addition to electricity, gyroscopic forces.
F. Device requires a Control Circuit to prevent it from destroying itself.
G. Device is "tuned" to specific frequencies.
H. Etc, etc., etc.. (I know I've missed a lot)
2. What we are reasonably sure are involved in some way.
A. Harmonic frequencies (try creating the "worst case scenario" according to Mr. Mark)
B. Some sort of magnetic cascade effect, or chain reaction that produces a magnetic "vortex" of some sort.
C. Etc., etc., etc. (ditto)
3. Things we are completely clueless about.
A. Devices Coils contain unknown core materials.
B. Configuration and windings of the Devices coils are unknown.
C. Process for Tuning the device is unknown.
D. Etc., etc., etc.
4. Things that are completely wrong about the device. followed by correction
A. Device contains batteries. - Device contains no electro chemical storage devices.
B. Device contains Piezo stacks - Piezos cannot possibly produce that much power for sustained periods, if at all
C. etc., etc., etc.
This will provide Mr. Marks a list to which he can refer and give us ideas as to the things we are dead on about, and the thing to which we are clueless, he (via Mannix) could simply say "that belongs in list 3" or "that should be in list 1.", or "banish that thought to list 4"
@Mannix/Mark:
Sorry for all the nagative remarks here, and our meager attempts to understand this, but as you have stated, we need to drop all of our preconceptions of what we know about things and "be as little children." This is very difficult for myself and, I'm sure, many others. It took Mr. Mark several years to put this together, and we are being given clues via vagueries, and parables, which although enlightening, are a very unconventional way of disseminating information. Being experimenters, we like hard testable theory to base work from. Hence the noticed hesitance of people here to simply abandon other OU projects the may be involved with, and conduct experiments here. You see, we have hard tangible testable things on our workbenches, some of us. Those of us who are fairly talented anyway. You must admit, the way this has gone is very strange. Not that there is no credibility to the technology, but there are other questions that linger in our heads as we read this information, due to the strangeness of the way the information is making its way to us. For example, why does Mr. Mark speak exclusively through you? Why doesn't he post directly? Have you replicated the technology with the additional info that Mr. Mark has given you? You seem to posess more expertise on the device than someone who has not replicated it is capable of. And the inverse of that question: Given the information and knowlege that you no doubt command about the device, if you haven't built one yet, why not?
Please understand that these are rhetorical questions, you don't need to answer them, and they are not offered up in a skeptical manner, and are not intended to "derail" the thread. They are only offered as an explanation to why people have approached this in a skeptical manner in this thread from time to time. Many of us have scientific minds (or we would not be here), and as such, we are supposed to ask the tough questions, and have a healthy level of skepticism. Any technology that cannot be scrutinized(especially in this arena), we have been conditioned over time, due to the actions of hucksters (a few bad eggs spoil the... you get the drift), to be hyper sensitive to a few warning signs.
So, in the hopes of continuing our interaction, I would hope that you are understanding, and don't take the negative comments too personally. I understand that you (Mr. Marks) have endured much ridicule and skepticism. But consider the source, we are not big oil, we are not Uncle Sam. We have the self-same interests that you do. Our skepticism is, for good or bad, aimed at making damn sure we get it right, and are not being led around by our collective nose-ring.
Thank you immensely for the amazing amount of info that you have given us thus far. I hope you take my post as it is intended, and not as an attack.
Now that that is out of the way. What do you think about the Lists(not the content, the concept)? Are they a good way to reference what we have learned so far? I think they will help us to better connect the dots so to speak.
Regards,
Gnostik
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This will be obvious to those who have studied free energy for any length of time?..but the SM device will never see the light of day. The film I saw was from 1996. Tesla had free energy. Rexresearch.com has dozens of free energy devices that have not been replicated but were witnessed. Bell Labs has at least 28 free energy devices sitting on their shelves according to a retired Bell Labs scientist.
SM, I highly suggest you read Dr. Greer?s book ?Forbidden Knowledge.? You have the answers but along with the other dozens of brilliant people have sold out humanity. Just remember this while your children or grandchildren lay dieing in a hospital from respiratory failure or some equally other bad disease due to pollution from petroleum based energy use. Or half the animal and plant life are gone do to similar types of pollution.
I wrote an essay for English 101 while taking night courses in the air force. The title was ?Man, God?s Greatest Failure.? That was written in 1991 but is even more aptly true today??..
I understand not wanting to give away your idea, but did you invent electricity? Are you responsible for the a/c running through our lines? No, but Tesla did give-up all rights to HIS invention to help the world by allowing a/c to be used royalty free. I don?t know how long a patent lasts but don?t you think that at least one of the devices from the early 1900?s should be patent free by now?.and still not one free energy device is on the market. Of course this is all coincidence and yours will be on the market in a matter of weeks?..it?s time to get real. There is an energy conspiracy and you have one of the answers that if released, would unbind our hands from the tyrants of the oil corporations, the President and the Vice President of the U.S..
Look at Coral Castle. Mr. Edward Leedskalnin died and everything he knew was lost with him. He had free energy also and knew better than to share his secret with the world?.though he didn?t mind flaunting his abilities without every revealing his secrets. Does this sound familiar?
Let?s put things in a different perspective?.certainly, 80% of the world lives in extreme poverty with hardly any infrastructure. But, I gave my word that I wouldn?t share my knowledge to help them?.my hands are tied. So what if most of them will never go beyond a 2nd grade education because they are having to work to support their families. If they are bright enough, they can figure this out?.after all, how much does a little wire cost. Let?s see, while I was stationed in Turkey the minimal wage was $5 per month so it will be no time before they finish their degree, experiment in their free time and get this figured out.
While in the 7th grade I remember a boy that came from a well off family. He bought extra food almost every day just in case he wanted it during lunch. There were several other children such as myself that didn?t have anything to eat at school but practically everyday he?d ask us if we?d like to buy his food. Of course we had no money or we would have bought our own, so practically everyday we?d watch him through it in the trash instead of giving it to someone.
To whom much is given, much is expected??..
I grew-up poor but can no longer claim that title. I have done 100's of hours of charity work in auto repairs, home repairs, even going as far as to give away cars to people that genuily tried to help themselves. I've put time into experiments of various devices and none of them have worked in over unity. I'm either lacking in brain cells or simply not intuitive enough to master these devices.
The only way your device will be seen by the average Joe is by us. The average tinkerer. You should consider mass releasing your device and allowing replication. When you pass you can be remembered one of two ways....the selfish guy that threw the bird to humanity or the guy that did something altruistic and came forward. Reincarnation is a fact and will hold up in a court of law strictly using the scientific data. If you chose to withold your device from mankind, you will no longer remember how to build it when you come back and you will be in the same boat as the rest of us. Release it, and your life will be easier as all of humanity will be raised....simple as that.
I actually fear dieing only because it has taken so long to learn a few absolute truths that are only obtained by extreme experiences and study. So much information to be relearned......
Rich
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My notes in bold........................................... ;D
One day in a land under the noses of all the kings (I did it, but I'm not going to tell you how because I don't actually understand whats going on either, is that what you mean?) there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home(This implies switched ground or return connection later in the story) but they were sent the longest way possible (Root frequency winding = longest wavelength),it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way(Resonance) . They were told that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit(Positive Feedback). So their king gave them a big kick(Inductive start-up and magnetic bias, symmetry breaking) and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them.(Ground or common is still connected) See you at the arranged time back here he said and off they went!
Some short time later(Phase shifted harmonic generator) the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey.down another wire(n'th order harmonic winding/'s) . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together so he disconnected the return wire before any of them arrived home(Switched ground or common connection) ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.(Why I caused multiple magnetic fields to collapse simultaneously causing very large inductive kicks, thats what I've done)
Meanwhile the electrons were on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened?(I used FET's or relays to switch the connections of the windings to where I choose) they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was.(Multiple collapsing fields inducing constructive and destructive interference) They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends.(This effect appears to to be cascading or chain reactive, the magnet is not just for a starting kick, it is biasing the local space against the earths magnetic field) Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much for room(Heavy gage secondary in a closed loop configuration i.e. ground un-switched) . They told their friends and almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home.(Induction from an opened circuit to closed circuit, approaching infinite impedance to approaching zero impedance) The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point(positive feedback in a magnetic biasing) so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and they just kept on coming(There is you gain) .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come.(Nor do you have to, mother nature loves to party) . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other.new found wire that was not for his travellers. the king was relieved(I can imagine) ..but when he saw(feedback or sensing path) all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the return wire was a bad mistake.(triggers the switching of part of the harmonic windings and the the root) He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would(couple in or create a positive feed back mechanism) find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire(Switching in an additional secondary winding) that led somewhere else and joined them together managed to get most the uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.(This is the load carrying winding). told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumping and pushing. It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by that he had no way of dealing with them so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whiz by(timing sensing for the harmonic generators) . He would tell some of them that the party was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster.(Frequency sweeping) He even sent some of them down the long weaving wire(perhaps an additional control winding) to let the others know that the party was over but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice(Now it's running and I hope someone from the oil companies or the government doesn't decide to kill my ass so I think I'll just run on free electricity which and of itself is a huge gain over my fellow man allowing me to keep my gold for other things while the peasants continue to pay for energy) ..I'm told that he went to a power generator where none of this silliness could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.
Nice work, if it's true.
Modified to remove a little of the harshness..............My Fault....I was crouchy.
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Loki,
Don't hold back - tell us how you really feel!
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Having read ALL of these post (boy did that take a long time) it struck me that we need to know the parameters to achieving the largest 'kick'. Another member of the forum pointed out that Tesla had also observed these 'kicks'. From Tesla we know that:
a. The higher the voltage applied across a wire the larger the kick.
b. The faster the voltage is made to appear on the wire the larger the kick.
So high voltage needs to be applied to the wire as a square wave with as fast a ramp up time as possible.
I'm assuming that the levels would be 0V and say 1000V as opposed to 1000V and -1000V inorder to achieve a DC output.
What I don't know is what parameters of the 'wire' will give the largest kick.
Is it:
1. Diameter of the wire.
2. Length of the wire.
3. Insulation around the wire.
4. How tighly the wire is bundled together.
5. What wire material, copper, iron, steel, or copper coated steel which is good for high frequencies.
My gut feeling is that the following would give an excellent kick:
1. Cut enamelled copper wire into 2 inch lengths - say 200 of them.
2. Strip the enamel from the ends of each wire.
3. Bundle the wires together to form a cylinder and tie with a non metallic tie. e.g. cotton
4. Solder all the wires at one end of the cylinder together and attach a thick wire - wire A.
5. Solder all the wires at the other end of the cylinder together and attach another wire - wire B.
6. This will then look like a large resistor.
7. Coat the whole cylinder with large amounts of epoxy resin (or melted acrylic) so that the cylinder is very well insulated. Perhaps as much as 0.5 inch all round ?
Why use the epoxy resin ?
Another member mentioned the problems that on connecting a high dc voltage, sparks would fly out of an insulated conductor at right angles to the wire. We want to keep the energy in the conductor so the more insulation around the conductor the better.
To test I'm thinking of applying a high voltage 0-1000V fast ramp square wave to 'wire A' and just observing. I'm hoping there will be an adundance of 'charge' in 'wire B'. I'll observe what I get! Or if anyone else thinks this has merits please try and give your observations too.
The second part would be to try and capture some of the energy. Perhaps a simple two coil transformer attached to part B.
Alternatively:
a. I was thinking of doing away with all the epoxy around the cylinder and simply wrap a secondary around the cylinder and just observe the voltage obtained.
or
b. Putting the whole unepoxied cylinder inside a copper pipe, and then putting epoxy around the copper pipe. The copper pipe would act as the collector of energy from the wires inside.
I'm throwing this out as an idea, for brainstorming, the main point being to understand what parameters give the biggest kick.
Also Patrick Flanagen's Electric Field Generator ( see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/efg.htm) appears to share some attributes with what we are doing. It would be interesting to see what would happen if his device was place inside a copper pipe and a high voltage positive offset square wave applied.I bet you would get a large current flowing through the pipe if you connect a wire to each end of the pipe. As far as I can tell he uses high voltage AC sine waves without any DC offset. i.e. +5000v to -5000V as opposed to a DC offset sinewave of +10000 to 0 volts.
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Consider this hypothetical case. If you look at the still surface of a dam of water and you paddle your feet in the dam, there does not appear to be any energy in the dam. Now imagine that you have no idea what a dam is. Now imagine your education system teaches you that to use the water from the dam you have to 'scoop' the water from the top of the dam. Over time there is a concrete set of laws on scooping water. The larger the bucket the more water you scoop etc.
Now imagine that one day you are messing around at the bottom of the dam on the outside and decide to stick in a pipe into the dam a few feet down. All of sudden there is this huge rush of water through the pipe!! How can this be ? Your scoop 'laws' clearly tell you that you cannot scoop more water than the size of the scoop. Yet if you measure the amount of water pouring out of the pipe. It is clearly much more than the size of the pipe!! IMPOSSIBLE! But the people who know the rules believe this is a trick. They tell you connect this so called 'pipe' to the top of the dam and show us your 'scoop-pipe' scooping water back into the dam. (Everyone knows that an immutible law of scooping is that if you scoop water you can pour back into the dam). Low and behold when you connect the pipe to the top of the dam, the water stops pouring. Everyone laughs having PROVED that you are a fraud.....
Now clearly if you have no knowledge of what a dam is and how it works, the above differences in taking water out of the dam appear to 'magical' and go against all known laws! If you try and analyse how the pipe is getting the water, using the 'scoop' laws you are bound to fail to understand how the pipe is working. 'Scooping' is not the principle being used on the dam.
Similarly with the Steven Mark's device we are trying to understand what is happening based on an incomplete model of how electricity is generated and what electricity really is and for that matter what magnetism really is. We are thinking in terms of transformers (the scoops in the dam example) where we really need to start thinking in terms of the 'pipe' and trying to think what the 'dam' is really like.
This is what lead me to the basics concerning the 'kick' in the previous email - and of course mannix insistence that this is where we should start.
Now some further thoughts on how to proceed. The Steven Mark device clearly has complex timings involved - to do with frequencies, magnets etc. How much of this complexity is due to wanting to feedback some of the output back into the input - but at the right frequencies ? My gut feeling is - most of it.
After all you don't just decide to wrap a few coils with magnets and happen across the exact number of windings, gauge of wire, core, capacitance etc. No way. Everything starts with a little of the 'umm that is strange'. Then replicating the effect. Then determining what makes the effect bigger. Then once you can achieve an output greater than your input - you then look to feedback some of the output into the input. Ahh, but if the effect is dependant on frequencies, tying outputs to inputs can play havoc with all those things that affect frequecies and oscillation in electronics. So you come up with a clever scheme to make it all work which indirectly (and obviously unintentionally) MASKS what is really happening.
I'm sure the 'ahha' moment is due to the kick. Understand how we can make this kick bigger and how we can collect some useful energy from the kick and we will be on the way to understanding what is happening.
This is my guess on what is happening. Magnetism obviously plays a large part in this device. Let's disregard what we think we know about magnetic fields and instead make an assumption that there are north and south magnetic particles. (Scientist have long sought to determine the existance of a magnetic monopole and I can't see how this could be possible unless magnetism was caused by particles which undermost circumstances appeared in pair and thus the appearance of a field.) So let's go along with the assumption for now. The kick somehow brings these particles into existence for a brief period of time. The two magnets are used to cause the particles to flow in opposite directions down a wire. The interaction of the particles causes electrons to flow to create electricity but not in the same manner as a true magnetic field. This is why the output is DC rather than the expected AC when dealing with conductors being exposed to a changing magnetic field. It is the coming together of magnetic particles that causes the electron flow. This is why you don't want an iron core! The iron core would be very attractive to the particles and thus they wouldn't combine where you want them to.
So Mannix/ Steven Mark am I close ?
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Tesla/Sweet/Gray/Wootan et al, all found independently that the resonant frequency for magnetic fields was somewhere in the 180Khz Range. With the MRA, they found that it seemed to be precicely 174.926. I don't know if this applies here, but the MRA was found to be resonating with the earth's magnetic field when not being introduced to specific local magnetic fields. The "Kicks" are probably the highs and lows of the square wave itself. I don't know if this will help with the Marks device or not, but it seems relevant.
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Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.
I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.
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Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.
I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.
Neos are conductive.. They are composed of mostly iron Nd(FE)b, and most are nickel coated. Now if you read the info on the MRA here: http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/2mra.htm, you will find that there are other aspects that are similar to the TPU. It has what they call "virtual rotation". The principal is that they rotate the energy via resonance, instead of mechanically rotating anything. I have a feeling that something similar is happening in the TPU, albeit MUCH more effectively, and efficiently. After which the inductance in one coil cascades to the next creating power (and a magnetic field). This may be, in part, what creates the gyroscopic effect. Rotating energy via resonance, and hence a rotating magnetic field via inductance.
Just a thought.
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Thanks gnostic for the info., much appreciated.
Having had a closer look at one of the earlier Steven Mark's videos where the TPU is not wrapped up. It appears not to have windings all the way around the toroid but rather 4 'blocks' of somethings 90 degrees around the toroid.
My immediate questions are what is the framework of the toroid made of specifically:
a. What are the upper and lower rings made of
b. What material is used to connect the upper and lower rings.
Another interesting observation is that the different size TPU's are not scaled proportionally. The difference between the inside and outside radius of each toroid looks to be approximately the same. You might expect the large toroid to have a larger difference between the inside and the outside.
Is this relevant; I don't know.
Material Choices for the rings (as in a. above)
Possible material characteristics are
Conductor/Non-conductor
Attractive to magnetic field/Not attractive to magnetic fields
Insulator/Dielectric Insulator
I'm going to plump for the 'Not attractive to magnetic fields' and 'Conductor'. Firstly because it looks like metal. Secondly non attractive to magnetic fields because I think we want something that doesn't act like a transformer. So I would plump for either aluminium or copper. Probably aluminium because it's easier to machine and cheaper than copper.
What material to connect the upper ring to the lower ring.
This is much more difficult without knowing the purpose of the rings. I'm going to go for insulator because there appears to be as part of the input/feedback electronics two small transformer style toroids, and two large capacitors which suggests feeding into two electrically isolated structures i.e. the two rings.
So an interesting experiment comes to mind, what happens if we apply a different frequency of square wave to each ring ? The two small transformer toroids and capacitors could certainly achieve this. On the top ring the wires for the square wave would be connected 180 degress apart. Similarly on the bottom ring the wires would be 180 degrees apart. I think both rings would be oriented so that the connections to each ring were above each other but obviously electrically isolated from each other.
So you bang a high voltage square wave into the ring and you get a 'kick'. OK what happens to this kick ? What is this 'kick' made of ? Magnetic particles ? Ummm. Let's assume that different frequencies of square wave relative to the circumferance of the rings cause the position of the 'kicks' to move round in a circle around the ring. If we apply the same frequency to the top and bottom rings the kicks to the top and bottom are going to be synchronised. Differ the frequencies slightly between top and bottom (say by 7.5 hertz - shumann resonance ?) and you have relative movement of kicks of 7.5 hertz applied on top of a much higher frequency. Perhaps one of the rings is set to the resonant frequency of ferrite (174.9Khz) whilst the other ring is set 7.5 Hz higher or lower.
This rotational motion of kicks somehow sets up a rotation of magentic particles which by some unknown mechanism couples with the earth's magnetic field and/or the ionesphere causing more particles to be pulled into the 'whirlwind'. All we have to do is direct the particles to the right place. This is where the magnets come in. Standard style output coils are placed between the two rings 90 degrees from the outputs. The coils would have iron cores. Place magnets above the coils ? North up on one coil and south up on the other and you would attract the appropriate magnetic particle ? The particles interact with the coil causing the current ?
Or perhaps the magnets are only necessary to prime the pump. Yes this sounds more likely. The permanent magnets provide a continuous replenishment of magnetic particles which are whirled in a circle by the kicks; followed by coupling with the earth's magnetic field; which causes large amounts of current caused by the particles to appear in the output coils. Remove the magnets and the source of particles drys up hence the wind down effect that is observed in the generated voltage.
Lots of guess work, conjecture and imagination! Perhaps some clues from Mannix/Steven can point us in the right direction to limit the experiments required.
Or perhaps the toroid structure is a total smoke screen...
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Hi gnOstik and bob.diroto and all,
I am glad to see more discussion like this on this topic.
Here are some of my observations:
There is a difference between the early single magnet design and the later two magnet design. Just as the case of the testika device. The early testika had only one "windmill" and the later two. The single design gives you a half wave rectified pulsating DC. The two element design gives you a full wave rectified pulsating DC output. Notice the testika counter rotates and I feel the Mark device electrodynamically counter rotates.
The colliding force fields gives you much more engergy than just adding the two halves together.
Steven Mark hints at this in point17 of one of his letters.
"17 Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be? I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "
I don't recall this point being discussed here.
Anyway, back to the design of the Mark device as I see it.
Any coil has a natural resonant frequency because of capacitance between the windings. The higher frequencies are easier to construct because the components are smaller. I am guessing enough fine windings will give you the resonant frequency of 175K hertz. If the first coil is wound to have a resonant freq of 178k and the reverse direction coil is wound to have a resonant frequency of 172k hertz, than we have a beat frequency difference of 6k hertz, our design output. This 6k freqency will need bigger components to have a resonant freq of 6k. Therefore the upper and lower plates are the capacitor plates of the 6k resonanant coil.
By placing all the coils within the plates, all the coils are closely coupled with 6k hertz. The voltage will get very high between these plates. The open air device is just that, using air as the dialectic between the plates. The higher voltage devices need additional insulation in the middle to keep the two halves from arcing across the coils in between. As I recall when a demo torus was cut into pieces, there was a cork-like material in the middle.(?) See the engineering report somewhere in this thread.
The open air design shows a few windings around one of the plates to reduce the voltage for output.
The coils and capacitors in the middle of the big unit, I feel are just a filter network to change the pulsating DC to more pure DC for the inverter shown in the video running the TV.
Hope this helps,
Tishatang
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Hi all,
Links to Henry Moray speeches:
http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/speech.htm
http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/beyond.htm
Good reading for all.
Tishatang
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tishatang,
I for one hopes that Steven Mark via Mannix continues to post. The essnce of the information appears to be correct even if the delivery is somewhat original. Let's just see where this goes! Of course I haven't endured several months of drip-feed and have the advantage? of reading all the posts in one sitting.
I hand't thought of the plates being capacitor plates... interesting. I have though had other thoughts about whether the plates are actually metal. On the open model of the mark device he seems happy to touch the toroid framework when the device is working. Conductors or capacitor plates, I certainly wouldn't be touching anything metal in this device! I'm now thinking along the lines that the framework is made of some sort of insulated material - plastic, acylic, epoxy etc.
"17 Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be? I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "
This statement has intrigued me from the time I first read it on the original posting. The key is understanding what is meant by "rotate in two directions". Is this two directions through the same axis or is it axis at right angles to each other ? Or is it top half rotates one way, the bottom half rotates the other way ?
Given other hints that there is a whirlwind/turbine/jet engine of magnetic field then I guess rotate in two directions will give a vortex if rotated around the same axis ?
Or perhaps if rotated about two different axis you'd get standing waves ? Or pulsating vortexes arranged in a grid around the sphere. Or perhaps you'd get a grid of field lines ?
Baling Wire Reference
When he says that the first device was made of baling wire. Is this a literal term that actual baling wire was used, which to my understanding is not insulated, or is it a generic term, meaning odds-ends of wire he had laying around, which may well have been insulated wire ?
Control Circuit
I think the electronics in the center of the large toroid are the input and feedback control electronics. He specifically mentions in the video turning on one frequency and then turning on the next.
Frequencies
I have a gut feeling that the main frequency will be a multiple of the resonant frequency of ferrite. e.g. 695Khz or something around this frequency. Perhaps the trick is to pulse at two different multiples of the ferrite frequency ?
I think I need to start more experiments on the kicks...
Tishatang, I'll check out those moray links now, cheers.
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http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm - gets more interesting 2/5/ to 1/2 through the document.
I think the steven Mark device utilises an aspect of this phenomenon documented by Tesla.
"These electrical irritations expanded out of the wire in all directions and filled the room in a mystifying manner. He had never before observed such an effect. He thought that the hot metal vapor might be acting as a "carrier" for the electrical charges. This would explain the strong pressure wave ac?companied by the sensation of electrical shock. He utilized longer wires. When the discharge wire was resistive enough, no explosion could occur.
Wire in place, the dynamo whirred at a slower speed. He threw the switch for a brief instant, and was again caught off guard by the stinging pressure wave! The effect persisted despite the absence of an explosive conductor. Here was a genuine mystery. Hot vapor was not available to "carry" high voltage charges throughout the room. No charge carriers could be cited in this instance to explain the stinging nature of the pressure wave. So what was happening here?
The pressure wave was sharp and strong, like a miniature thunderclap. It felt strangely "electrical" when the dynamo voltage was sufficiently high. In fact, it was uncomfortably penetrating when the dynamo voltage was raised beyond certain thresholds. It became clear that these pressure waves might be electrified. Electrified sound waves. Such a phenomenon would not be unexpected when high voltages were used. Perhaps he was fortunate enough to observe the rare phenomenon for the first time.
He asked questions. How and why did the charge jump out of the line in this strange manner? Here was a phenomenon, which was not described in any of the texts with which he was familiar. And he knew every written thing on electricity. Thinking that he was the victim of some subtle, and possibly deadly short circuit, he rigorously examined the circuit design. Though he searched, he could find no electrical leakages. There were simply no paths for any possible corona effects to find their way back into the switching ter?minal, which he held.
Deciding to better insulate the arrangement in order that all possible line leakages could be eradicated, he again attempted the experiment. The knife switch rapidly closed and opened, he again felt the unpleasant shock just as painfully as before. Right through the glass shield! Now he was perplexed. Desiring total distance from the apparatus, he modified the system once more by making it "automatic".
He could freely walk around the room during the test. He could hold the shield or simply walk without it. A small rotary spark switch was arranged in place of the hand-held knife switch. The rotary switch was arranged to inter?rupt the dynamo current in slow, successive intervals. The system was actu?ated, the motor switch cranked it contacts slowly. Snap ... snap ... snap ... each contact produced the very same room-filling irritation.
This time it was most intense. Tesla could not get away from the shocks, regardless of his distance from the apparatus across his considerably large gallery hall. He scarcely could get near enough to deactivate the rotating switch. From what he was able to painfully observe, thin sparks of a bright blue-white color stood straight out of the line with each electrical contact.
The shock effects were felt far beyond the visible spark terminations. This seemed to indicate that their potential was far greater than the voltage ap?plied to the line. A paradox! The dynamo charge was supplied at a tension of fifteen thousand volts, yet the stinging sparks were characteristics of electro?static discharges exceeding some two hundred fifty thousand volts. Some?how this input current was being transformed into a much higher voltage by an unknown process. No natural explanation could be found. No scientific explanation sufficed. There was simply not enough data on the phenomenon for an answer. And Tesla knew that this was no ordinary phenomenon. Somewhere in the heart of this activity was a deep natural secret. Secrets of this kind always opened humanity into new revolutions.......
.......Copper cylinders produced remarkable volumes of white discharges. The discharges from certain sized cylinders were actually larger than those being applied. This inferred that an energy transformation effect was taking place within the cylinder. This reminded him of his initial observation with the shock-excited wires. Those which did not explode gave forth far greater volt?ages than were initially used. He had never understood why this was occur?ring. Here was another instance in which applied energy was seemingly mag?nified by a conductor. Why was this happening?
The key to understanding this bizarre phenomenon might be found here, he thought. He observed the discharges from copper cylinders of various diameters. Each became edged with white brush discharges when held near or actually placed within the conductive copper strap of the impulser. The discharge effect was most pronounced when cylinders were placed within the periphery of the copper strap.
Tesla noticed that white corona sheaths were actually covering the outer cylinder wall at times. These would appear, build in strength, and disappear on sudden discharge with a surprising length. The sheathing action was re?petitive when the cylinder had a critically small volume. Very small cylinders behaved like rods, where discharges only appeared at their edges. The stabil?ity of these strange sheath discharges varied with cylinder diameter and length. Tesla noticed that not every cylinder performed well near the impulser. Only cylinders of specific volume produced stable and continuous white elec?trical sheaths. If the cylinders were too small, then the sheaths were intermit?tent and unstable. There was an obvious connection between the supplied impulse train and the cylinder volume. But what was it?
Tesla surveyed the entire range of his recent discoveries. Impulses produced a radiant electrical effect. Radiant electricity was mysteriously flow?ing through space. As it flowed, it focused over metal conductors as a white fluidic corona. When the shape and volume of the metal conductors were just right, the energy appeared as a stable white corona of far greater voltage than the impulse generator supplied. More questions. More discoveries. "
Now I'm not saying this is exactly what we are looking at but I think the Steven Mark device's mode of operating is more in line with this than traditional electro-magnetics.
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I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:
The Theory
My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.
A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later. I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.
I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.
How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?
I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.
I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?
The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.
Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire
You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.
Sizing of TPU
The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.
Steady State
I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.
Comment Please
So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.
Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.
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Please locate a copy of 'The free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity' (Video tape) a technical lecture by Peter Lindemann,Dsc. (Produced by Clear Tech Inc.)
The video contains some excelent research material on Radiant Energy and describes another invention which utilizes it -The work of E.V. Gray.
(Essentially E.V.Gray used a metal screen surrounding one electrode ('solid wire') of a spark discharger to pick up the radiant 'electrostatic' component.)
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I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:
The Theory
My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.
A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later. I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.
I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.
How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?
I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.
I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?
The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.
Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire
You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.
Sizing of TPU
The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.
Steady State
I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.
Comment Please
So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.
Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.
Hallo bob.diroto,
nice theory. But what about when he said that his device behaves similar to a radio reveiver?
OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver. No I do not want to hear
feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to
be amplified before
they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just
like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to
dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it
for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin
to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes
the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. It is important that you note
that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received
by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of
conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes
to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
Could it be that the two rings behaves like an antenna which are at the same time send and receive? But then is still the question how it comes to the rotating magnetic field.
regards
Norbert
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Hi Norbert,
This turned out to be a bit of a brain dump/brain storming sessions and I've just put ideas down as they occured to me...
I take your point when Steven Mark says it acts like a radio receiver and I also think it is interesting that he said "several" which in normal use means more than 2 but not many.
Quote from Steven Mark
"In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."
A simple model of a radio receiver is that you have a resonant LCR circuit which is set to resonate at the frequency you want to tune in to. The incoming radio waves resonate with the LCR circuit. You then extract the modulated signal from the incoming radio waves.
It is the 'kick' that extracts the excess 'electrostatic' energy. Tesla is very clear about this. The bigger the kick the more energy you get out. The more energy you put into creating the kick the more energy you get out. So this aspect satisfies the 'running with gain'.
Perhaps there is an optimum number of 'kicks' per second. The 'kick' causes the earth's Magnetic Field/Ionesphere (MF/I) to respond. If the MF/I pulsates or has a frequency then for optimum energy transfer you'd need to pulse at this frequency. Obvious contenders are schumanne resonance approx. 7.6Hz and ferrite resonance 173.75KHz.
Tesla also observed that certain metal solid shapes and volume optimised the energy transfer. To me this suggests some sort of standing wave in the solid. Which in turn suggests that this 'electrostatic' energy has a specific frequency. So perhaps we have an Ionesphere that pulses which in turn delivers electrostatic energy which pulses at it's own frequency as well. Hence the need for multiple frequencies. The number of 'kicks' per second must be correct but to collect you need another frequency set up as well ?
Now Steven Mark says "the frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the coil". What are the implications of this statement. If there is a wave which goes around the coil then for a standing wave you need the circumference to be a whole multiple of the wavelength of the frequency. So what comes first the frequency or the circumference ?!!
Working backwards from what we do know about the TPU. We know it suffers from eddy currents and excessive heat which in turn implies large moving magnetic fields (but not necessarily alternating). Given that Steven Mark has said the output is mainly DC with a small 6Khz A/C component this suggests the magnetic fields are not alternating but rotating in one direction over a toroidal wound conductor giving the main DC output.
For the 6KHz AC to be a small component of a large DC component this MUST have come from another source producing an alternating magnetic field that intersected the output coil. I was originally thinking that you had to rotate the actual position where the 'kicks' are generated. But now I think Steven Mark's generates a small 6Khz rotating magnetic field which is used to rotate the electrostatic field. Rotating charges cause a rotating magnetic field. Correctly timed 'kicks' will cause the electrostatic field to build up, which in turn increases the rotating magnetic field and hence the output. Use some of the output to provide higher voltage 'kicks' and you have a positive gain situation happening.
So the 6Khz input magnetic field is like the LCR circuit of the radio which allows the conversions of the electrostatic energy into a much larger magnetic field which fits in with Steven Mark's idea that the principle is 'like a radio receiver'.
If we don't try to do any feedback of the energy then we can avoid the positive gain runaway situation that destroys equipment. It'll also be a much simpler design. This is now looking a lot more doable from an experimental point of view.
Proof of Concept
1. Get some equipment to generate some high voltage pulses which in turn fed into some litz wire will generate the kicks. I'm initially thinking ignition coil type of set up where we can alter the rate of 'kicks'.
2. Four normal coils with ferrite core to generate the small input rotating magnetic field. Input sine wave into 1 pair of coils, other coil driven via a parallel (or is it series ?) capacitor to give 90 degrees out of phase for the other pair. i.e. a simple two phase setup. As we're not trying to prove overunity in this proof of concept but just to prove that 'kicks' will increase a small rotating magnetic field into a larger rotating magnetic field we can rectify mains voltage down to 6-12volts AC sinewave and use this as the input sinewave.
3. Torroid coil around the circumference to collect the output.
Safety: Can we turn it off if unexpected excess energy appears ?
Answer: Yes, turn off the mains and the circuit doing the kicks.
I'm going to give this a whirl. Might take some time though.
Any comments appreciated.
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Perhaps we need to look smaller(in principal). What is the most widely accessible, and reproducable free energy device? We've all probably built and used several, and have them around the house.
A crystal radio. Expand the concept out to what we know about the marks device.
He was an audio engineer before this after all.
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Hi All,
Moray's device would not work without a ground. I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.
Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!
I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.
His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length. If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil.
link: http://www.ttr.com/corum/
"If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ... as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr. Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.
If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?
The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.
They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.
The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.
The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz. Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.
Tishatang
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Hi All,
Moray's device would not work without a ground. I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.
Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!
I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.
His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length. If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil.
link: http://www.ttr.com/corum/
"If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ... as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr. Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.
If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?
The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.
They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.
The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.
The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz. Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.
Tishatang
I think you are correct about the size of the coils, what we need to remember here is that the size of the coil/length of wire, determines what frequency the coil itself resonates at. How do we tune a crystal radio? By shorting it at some point along the coil, which effectively shortens the coil and it's resonant frequency, allowing it to resonate with a known frequency. Since Marks claims that his device works like a radio receiver, we need to figure out what frequency to "Tune" into, or make the coil resonant to. Since he claims it get's it's energy from the magnetic field of the earth, we need to figure out the resonant frequency of magnetic flux, which we've done. bob.diroto was saying the resonant frequency of ferrite, that's not exactly correct, although he was giving the correct frequency, we're not looking for the resonant frequency of any element, but MAGNETISM ITSELF (elements have much higher resonant frequencies). This might sound strange, but it's commonly done with digital compasses etc. The sizes of the coils relate to different OCTAVES of those frequencies. We know that electromagnetism is way outside the visible spectrum. So are radio waves, but we tune into those quite easily. Once we have a coil resonant with magnetism, we need to figure out how to induce "kicks" into it. Marks starts the process by agitating the coil with a permanent magnet.
What keeps them building? What causes them to rotate, and thus build the vortex, the earth's rotation? I'm guessing this is, at least in part, the case.
The earth has a slight wobble to the rotation on it's axis. What happens when you have a ball filled with fluid and you begin to spin it? The fluid, due to conservation of motion, does not spin at the same speed of the ball right away, it has to catch up to it. Once it has caught up however, if the ball begins to spin in different directions, slightly, the fluid will not, those same laws of conservation of motion want to keep it going in the same direction. It will however, have a slight variation in it's currents, due to friction against the core and walls of the ball. Apply this to a ball with an iron core (the earth), and apply a static charge to that fluid(mantle). You've got electro-magnetism. Now what happens when it wobbles after the momentum of that fluid is established? The electro-magnetism fluctuates, due to the currents of the fluid, responding to the wobble. This causes a sort of "beat" to the inductance in the core. Or "Kick".
I don't know how this relates to what Tao is saying, but we've got mulitple, aspects of this thing to think about. I can see how what Tao is saying fits with the "parable" that mannix layed down for us.
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Notice the part that says the coil is "cut until resonance is established", that makes perfect sense considering the prototype was made of bailing wire. Also the fact that the Mark device is "a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its good and bad points.
I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)
But you already knew that. ;)
Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?
Anyway, I'm beginning to think that I was wrong about Mannix. I think he probably is working with SM now, as your posts suggest. I just thought it was strange that SM would communicate through a 3rd party to begin with. So, Mr. Mannix, and SM, if you read this (I know you will, I know you at least look at the boards, as you were last active today, according to your profile.
), please accept my apologies.
Anyway, I have a feeling, that once we get this built, we will have the tools in our arsenal to figure out other similar technologies, like the Sweet VTA, Moray's devices, Grey's devices, etc. And improve others like the MRA.
I'm still sort of at a loss as to what the other frequencies/coils are for. I know one is an output coil, that's about it.
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Hi Tao,
How long ago did you get that private message you got from Mannix/Steven that you generously posted ?
cheers Bob
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I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)
But you already knew that. ;)
Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?
I didn't write the '[snip]' stuff, that was already in that email message ;).
I'm not holding out, I was just remembering old things I saw months ago that could maybe help us now.
I for one wasn't familiar with the sparks from crystal sets, can you explain?
We CAN do this, expecially if Steven could do it with some bailing wire and that less-than-pleasant looking prototype he made. Meaning, he used some spare parts and was able to make this device, I think we should have no problems once we figure out all the pieces and construct a nice diagram as to how this whole thing works.
On some of the crystal radio sets, you have your receiver coil, and how you tune it is you take one end of your antenna wire and short it to the coil. One end of your coil is up the band the other is down the band. The farther up or down the the coil you short it, the farther up or down the band you tune the frequency. As you do this, you can see little sparks.
As I said before it's the original radiant/free energy device.
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Mannix/Steven Mark
"By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation?"
Does anyone have a copy of this video or http address where I can find this video ?
Thanks in advance. Bob
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I'm now starting the process of trying to answer those probing questions that Steven Mark's posted at various points:
Steven Mark says:
Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?
I'm going to assume that by 'two direction' he means rotating the field left to right i.e. through a vertical axis and rotating the field top to bottom i.e. through a horizontal axis.
I did this by marking spots on a soccer ball so I know this is correct.
Any point on the surface of the 'big ball' will trace a spiral path around the ball going from top to bottom and then bottom to top and repeats. e.g. Like peeling an orange from top to bottom to get one long strip.
We already know that a working TPU in any one location will not work if turned upside down. The reason for this must be that the energy field we are tapping into must 'spiral' around the earth.
Norbert asks:
Now my question: did you try your device already on the earth south site?
Steven Mark says:
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?
They work in reverse because if there is one spiral of energy that goes from top to bottom of the earth, if you are on the top of the earth looking down on the spiral, from your reference point, the spiral will go say clockwise, but if you are on the bottom of the earth the spiral, from your reference point will go anticlockwise. (Draw a spiral on a transparency to show that looking at a spiral from each side changes the direction of the spiral.) The very fact that the TPU must be turned over implies that the TPU 'receiving mechnism' must have a preset direction of rotation that doesn't initially reference the energy field.
Cheers ,Bob
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...If Earth had a strong enough magnetic field around her, one much stronger than what we have today, then these random lightning strikes would only be sending their respective waves in one direction, East."
Note that Steven places a that small magnet at right angles to the electrical ring(toroid) in his device as shown in the video...
The whole article was excellent. But more specifically I think Steven places the magnets above the locations where the kicks take place. If we believe the kicks are pseudo electrostatic then this would bias the charges to move in one rotational direction. Indeed if you look at the video of Steven placing the two magnets in the device that takes two permanent magnets you can see him take a magnet from a stack of magnets. He does this twice without flipping the magnets over before placing them in his unit. This means both magnets are place in the same orientation i.e. North both pointing in the same direction.
On another point that Tao mentioned about the battery.
I think there is no doubt that Steven uses a small battery to drive his control boxes. He specifically states that it took him time to learn how to use semiconductor circuits to control the frequencies. There is NO WAY you can have an operating *semi condictor* circuit without a reliable source of constant voltage. A small 9V battery would be sufficient.
Steven Mark says:
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.
I really think we have cracked this.
The electrostatic field is made to initially rotate by the placement of the magnets.
The rotating electrostatic field creates a rotating magnetic field.
Further kicks make the electrostatic field bigger.
Making the magnetic field bigger.
As the rate of rotation starts to build the voltage gets bigger.
As the pulsing and rotation approaches a known resonant frequency to which the output coil is already tuned to by cutting down the length of the wire, the energy field that provides the 'kicks' starts to sync to the output coil.
The design problem Steven faced was that using auto-feedback to get the rotation going meant the unit naturally wants to run towards the resonant frequency. Alternatively he could generate the rotating field electronically at the desired frequency by using an inverter circuit OR by using a motor to spin some magnets and then have coils to pick up the appropriate sin wave. But these solution require bigger batteries something he had to avoid if he wanted to have a device that he could easily prove to be overunity.
At this point we don't need to worry about having a feedback mechanism working. Probably safer not to because if we directly control the input signal from completely an outside source we can reduce or turn off this signal if things start to get hairy.
At this point in the game, we can use outside power sources, sinewave/function generators, and high voltage pulse generators, in order to prove the concept.
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Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?
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Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?
I doubt it, because we are just forming the complete theory ;), at least I know I am doing this first.
It can't be that difficult to build, after all, look at Steven's first prototype in that video, :). It looks like he used some pieces from CD spindles, some copper wire, some bailing wire, and a magnet. And of course the control electronics, which can't be anything intricate.
The main problem was getting a complete grasp of the concept, and I now feel we have a fairly good grasp of it now, after piecing everything together from the videos, Steven's writings, and that last article I posted.
I agree, we are getting a handle on this. In the SM quote you posted along with the article.. this one:
I would also like to say that in the video Steven says "these devices take energy from the inherent magnetic field of the earth....there is a frequency pattern setup in here...if you hold the device in your hands it vibrates ever so slightly right around at 7.3 cycles per second".
I wonder if he meant 7.83, which is the strongest of the schumann resonances.
If so, that is a big indicator as well.
I sure would like some confirmations of our ideas, if we're going in the right directions or not.
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Abstract of US5487113
A method and apparatus is disclosed for producing one or more audiospatial effects in an original audio signal. A spatially disorienting signal, typically a modified white noise pattern, is combined with the original audio signal. A spatially reorienting signal is further combined with the original audio signal in order to give a listener the perception, upon hearing the original audio signal played back, that the sound emanates from a predetermined direction.
So, Steven definitely knew his audio processing ;).
Yes, that's one of the reasons I figured he might use something like the crystal radio concept. I was trying to get on the same wavelength he was when he discovered it. Knowing he was an audio engineer, and he spoke of the TPU being like a radio receiver, I asked my self, "what would and audio engineer who was interested in free energy base their device off of?"
Now reading this, I KNOW that he's using ELV/VLF/SCHUMANN resonances. You see the spatial disorientation stuff? Read this...
Here's some examples of the different biological effects amplified schumann resonances can cause. Some beneficial, some.... not so much....
http://www.bwgen.com/presets/desc45.htm
What rang a bell for me was this.
while using this frequency i felt a wierd buzzing in my head and even though i knew where i was i felt like i was somewhere else. Can some1 tell me what that was?
hmm.... spacial disorientation perhaps?
He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.
I can smell this thing now.... It's close.
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He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.
I can smell this thing now.... It's close.
We indeed are close.
Steven's theoretical timeline of events:
The idea you laid out above makes perfect sense, he was already using the schumann resonance frequencies in his attempts to make new audio products for his company when he happened upon the concept for the TPU.
So, he grabs what he has around, ie. some bailing wire, some copper wire, some capacitors, some small electronic parts, some crude structure to hold the stuff together, and there is the very device that we see in that first video, the device on which he places only one magnet, the same device that won't operate upside down. This device is turned on by the insertion of a permanent magnet.
A video later, we see his next device, the one in which he inserts two magnets on opposite sides of the device, but as you said, the magnets are in the same orientation around the unit. This unit is also quite crude, but here Steven demonstrates the lighting of resistive loads with this device. Here also, Steven seems to have solved the upside-down-problem, perhaps by using the two magnets? This device is turned on by the insertion of two permanent magnets.
The next videos show three different coil devices, a small, a medium, and the very large one. Each is completed wrapped with electrical tape in a nice ring shape so as to make the presentation of the device more appeasing to the eye and also to hide the device's internals to on-lookers, for the first two devices weren't shown to investors because all the components were in view and they were too crude. The small device is turned on by the insertion of what looks like a small magnet on the inside of the coil, the medium device is turned on by the switching of one toggle switch, and the largest device is turned on by the switching of two toggle switches at over one second apart.
I'd say thats a possible timeline for Steven's development of the TPU.
We are VERY close now...
Put one together and make it produce some power!
More power to ya!
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HOLY CRAP!!! Check this out!! From your article. (I haven't read it all yet, but it's like SM wrote the damn thing!) This is incredible.
How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.
another quote
The energy doesn't vanish, instead it ends up INSIDE the atom. Half of the energy goes into "kicking" an electron to a higher level, and the other half is re-emitted as "scattered" waves.
I mean, c'mon, this guy has to have thought of this. He's described it to a "t" and he doesn't even know it.
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OK, you're way ahead of me here, I have to read two more articles still. Thing is, I thought I had read almost all of Bill B.'s stuff, science hobbyist is one of my favorite sites re: this kind of stuff. He's a pretty sharp guy. Kind of like a Bill Nye type of dude, he used to have a "ask bill" thing. Cool thing is, he's right in my back yard, so I can ask him if he ever built one. Or if he's heard of SM. I bet they've had a few conversations over the years.
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Sorry if this has been brought up before, but if this TPM is basically an antenna........we need an expert in coil type antenna tuning or possibly Tesla coil tuning. All Tesla coils and coil type antennas require exactly this type of "tuning" to achieve resonance and amplification. I've been following the Marks stuff for years and this is by far the best info yet! Keep up the good work.
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Tuning a coil is simply a matter of having the right equipment and a pair of wire snips. Problem is, I don't think any of us have the right equipment. Tao is in college, and their electronics dept. might, so he might be able to build all of our coils for us. I'm not positive of that however.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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If you can get a hold of an old ARRL (American Radio Relay League) handbook (ham operator book), this book usually has very useful formulas and charts for resonate circuits, tank circuits or series resonate circuits. It will help you calculate close values to get into the ball park if you know the frequency of the circuit that you need. It can also help you calculate the Q of the tank or series resonate circuit.
Here is a page that may be helpful as a online calculator for ohm's law and resonate circuits.
http://www.wd5gnr.com/calc.htm (http://www.wd5gnr.com/calc.htm)
Liberty
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Hi All,
nice new infos.
So can somebody draw a picture how you think the
coils are located to each other ?
Is the main coil in the 1 KW device then a iron wire coil
and around it is a copper coil wound to extract the power ?
Thanks Tao for posting the private emails !
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Hmm, the circuit must probably be kept oscillating near the "resonance catastrophe" frequency !
I still remember pretty well, when a few months ago I wondered, why my flat was shaking a bit
and a pretty load deep humming sound was heard all over my flat.
It was generated by a truck standing about 50 Meters away and having its motor run idle
and the small noise it generated from the motor was the exact resonance frequency of my
flat room and thus there was really a "good" vibration all over the place in
my flat and I really wondered how such a small outside noise could be this big
amplified....it probably really was the resonance amplification of energy at the exact
resonance frequency...
Also I remember somebody telling me in my physics classes, that when the
oscillations at the resonance point get too big, the sin(x) equatations don?t fit anymore....
So the coils must probably have a very high Q in the Mark?s setup to resonate very well...
Regards, Stefan.
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Doing it my way, as it said in that post that Steven confirmed, all you need is a voltage potential, from mV to really any V, this voltage potential could be from anything, perhaps the Schumann Resonance?, Perhaps A small battery?, Perhaps an already charged capacitor?
Or many thin wire to few thick wire. Maybe this is what he mean with circuit potential?
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The problem is, what about all that stuff Steven was saying about getting too close to the exact resonant frequencies and how it would instantly destroy the device and such? And how all the circuitry in the TPU is there not for generating impulse, but there to stop the device from running too close to its ??
Sorry, i didn't read all before answering! So one more post.
Is there a resonant frequency of the length of the wire?
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The problem is, what about all that stuff Steven was saying about getting too close to the exact resonant frequencies and how it would instantly destroy the device and such? And how all the circuitry in the TPU is there not for generating impulse, but there to stop the device from running too close to its ??
Sorry, i didn't read all before answering! So one more post.
Is there a resonant frequency of the length of the wire?
yes
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Tao and all,
Now that was a great find. Indeed wow. so many angles to think about.
Bill says:
If we wind ourselves a toroidial (donut) inductor and plug it into a 120VAC wall plug, the device will draw a current but ideally won't draw any flow of energy. However, if we then wind a big loose 1-turn secondary "coil" around the donut (through its hole) and short out this "coil", a huge amperage appears in the wire, the coil grows red hot, and many hundreds of watts are drawn from the donut inductor and from the wall outlet. Even if the 1-turn secondary is lifted significantly away from the coil, it still heats up.
Why is this weird? After all, it's just the way that normal transformers work. But think for a moment. In donut-inductors, the magnetic field-lines from each turn of wire extend over to the area enclosed by the next turn of wire, and as a result the magnetic field connects in a circle, and no field extends past the surface of the donut. Yet the secondary coil is entirely *outside* the donut, and therefor the magnetic flux never touches it. We can even use a large, narrow toroid (a hoop-like primary coil) and wind a floppy secondary over it so that the turns of the secondary coil remain many inches away from the wires of the primary and many inches away from the magnetic flux it encloses. The question arises: how does the magnetic field inside the donut-inductor create a current in the secondary coil if no magnetic flux comes anywhere near the the secondary coil?
The field around a donut-inductor is odd because it acts as if it cannot be shielded. If we try to place a metal shield between the primary and secondary of the donut-transformer, this simply creates another "shorted secondary winding" on the transformer. The shield becomes hot and draws an additional energy-flow from the wall plug, but as long as the resistance of the windings is low, this won't stop our original secondary from drawing its own, independent energy flow. Apparently the "voltage circles" surrounding a donut-transformer are unshieldable.
Note also that tesla 'radiant energy' i.e. the Steven Mark's 'kicks' also has this unshielded aspect.
Steven Mark also told us to investigate the anomalies of a toroid...
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Well, it is not the flux density at work, but the magnetic vector potential A .
The flux density is always just the output of a vectorpotential change dA/dt .
So this is always overseen in magnetic circuits.
This is why it is much more intelligent to try to design magnetic circuits
from looking at the magnetic vector potential A, which is perpendicular to
flux density B !
You can NOT explain a transformer logically with the fluxdensity change dB/dt
but you can explain it very well with the dA/dt change !
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Hmm, too bad I don?t have much time now, so I can?t experiment, but if somebody has
a pulse generator and some free time and some iron wire,
please test the following:
Please wire up an aircore coil from iron wire , e.g. 250 windings and
try to pulse it with short voltage pulse spikes.
You can alternatively also use a 12 Volt battery and use a toggle switch to
pulse 12 Volts pulses onto the coil mechanically, which might be
even better, as the mechanical contact can have more effects...
You will see, that an iron coil has no Back EMF voltage !
That I had already tested last year !
It seems that themagnetic flux generated is just sucked in
by its own material and it also would be interesting to see,
from which amperage on you can repell a permanent magnet...
As small amperage would probably not produce a big external
magnet field you would need probably more amperage than in
a copper coil to produce the same repelling forces onto a permanent magnet,
as the permanent magnet always wants to attract the iron coil....
See, what pulsing of the iron coil will get you....
Where is the resonance frequency and how will you get
Back EMF at all ?
Then also wind a copper coil around the iron coil, as if the iron
coild would be the core of a transformer and see, what will show
up on a scope at the copper coil, if you pulse the iron coil...
Maybe you can see several pulse spikes on the copper coil output
when you just pulse with ONE pulse the iron coil ?
Regards, Stefan.
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So, what resonant frequency should we design out resonant circuits to:
Schumann Resonance: 7.83Hz
--- wavelength of 38287670 meters 38287km!
OR
Magnetic Field Resonance: 173.9KHz
--- wavelength of 1723.93593 meters - 1/4 wavelength of 861.967965
--- wavelength of 5655.95777 feet - 1/4 wavelength of 1413.9894425
--- wavelength of 67871.49324 inches - 1/4 wavelength 16967.87331
On a tesla secondary the wirelength used is a quarter wavelength. I don't know whether this is strictly relevant but I've given the wavelengths above incase they ring any bells with numbers that are the same or very near, that you've seen else where or in other devices.
By the way I found this website to convert between units rather than plugging numbers into a calculator:
http://www.1728.com/freqwave.htm
Given that a magnetic field from a magnet seemed to set the coils in motion. I'm assuming that the coils are tuned to the Magnetic Field Resonance and that the 7.8Hz vibration that Steven once mentioned is a side effect of this tuning.
Diameters of Steven Marks coil - are 5 inches (from Engineers report)
2.5 inches - mentioned by Steven on video.
15 inches - my guess by looking at the video.
As Steven Mark said the frequency is related to the circumference of the TPU (and therefore the diameter).
Although I'm used to dealing in meters/centimeter I think our measurement units should be in feet and inches.
I'm going to try and come up with some calcs for the 2.5 inch version... I'm assuming this will need less wire...
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Well, it is not the flux density at work, but the magnetic vector potential A .
The flux density is always just the output of a vectorpotential change dA/dt .
So this is always overseen in magnetic circuits.
This is why it is much more intelligent to try to design magnetic circuits
from looking at the magnetic vector potential A, which is perpendicular to
flux density B !
You can NOT explain a transformer logically with the fluxdensity change dB/dt
but you can explain it very well with the dA/dt change !
Hi Hartiberlin,
Not familiar with the term magnetic vector potential A - is this the Electric Field component of an electromagnetic wave ? or related by some formula ?
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Hmm, it is the curl of magnetic flux density B.
But it can be seen as a perpendicular circle around the
flux density circle .
So the electron flow in a wire is really only caused by the A field,
cause it directly propells the electrons.
( The electrons flow in the same direction the A-Field curls around
the magnetic flux line...)
The magnetic field line
around a conductor is only a side effect !
So in a transformer with a circular iron core , where the
B-field from the primary is totally inside the core, the scondary coil
just gets its power from the changing A-field and not from the
changing B-field.
What would be interesting to study would be a transformer,
that has a DC current in its primary coil, but the core diameter is
changing ! This will also induce power in the secondary coil,
as the A-Field is changing !
or build 2 iron cores in each other, one with a bigger diameter
and have on each core a primary winding.
Then switch the primary current from the bigger diameter core coil to the
smaller diameter core coil and have a secondary coil going through
both cores.
Thus you will change the diameter electronically and thus have a changing
diameter core... This will induce current inside the secondary coil....but I don?t know,
if this have a Lentz effect on the power source....
so ifyou draw power from the secondary it might not be reflected back to the 2 switched
primary coils...
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Magnetic Field Resonance: 173.9KHz
--- wavelength of 1723.93593 meters - 1/4 wavelength of 861.967965
--- wavelength of 5655.95777 feet - 1/4 wavelength of 1413.9894425
--- wavelength of 67871.49324 inches - 1/4 wavelength 16967.87331
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Diameters of Steven Marks coil - are 5 inches (from Engineers report)
2.5 inches - mentioned by Steven on video.
15 inches - my guess by looking at the video.
As Steven Mark said the frequency is related to the circumference of the TPU (and therefore the diameter).
I think I've found something that is either amazingly coincidental or extremely relevant...
Given that 'pi' 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 etc is used in coil calcs and in calculating circumference from the diameter I decided to divide the wavelengths by 'pi' to see what I would get. I choose feet because this is the unit of measurement that Steven Mark used.
Guess what: 5655.95777 / 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 1800.3472740290264967375540913472
What are the chances that dividing by 'pi' is going to be 1800 and a decimal and not 1801 and a decimal but 1800 ? But also that the Steven Mark diameters of 2.5, 5 and 15 are exactly divisible into 1800 ie. factors.
And similarly for the quarter wavelength 1413.9894425 / 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 =
450.08681850725662418438852283681
And 450 is also exactly divisible by 2.5, 5 and 15.
Working backward:
1800 x 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 5654.8667764616278292327580899031feet
Wavelength of 5654.86677feet = Frequency of 173.933551kHz
This has got to be relevant ? Or is it a mathematical oddity ?
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Hmm, yes, seems interesting...
Maybe he is just pulsing his iron wire coil with around 180 Khz,
where the Barkhausen noise occurs and this way with one single pulse
he can get several pulses from the barkhausen domain jumps in his iron wire
and if he feeds these back in a collector coil wound around the iron coil, he can have a positive
feedback loop, so this thing gets itsself to oscillate ?
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?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?
Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?
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So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?
Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!
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Thanks hartiberlin for your reply describing the magnetic vector potential.
Also found this document, with a few diagrams for visualising, if this helps other people. It helped me!
http://abacus.bates.edu/~msemon/thoughts.pdf
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Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?
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Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?
No, he'd make us all look like idiots. :) ;D
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So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?
Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!
Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.
Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.
If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.
Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.
This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.
Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.
This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.
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oops, double post
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Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.
http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm
The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.
Series LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html
Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.
With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series...
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.
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Oh yeah... putting all this in frame with the marks device... there was a discussion about his circuit being resonant with the frequency of magnetism... which would explain how the "kick" of the magnet approaching would start something that would grow... *see the links above about resonant LC circuits*
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thanks gnostic, your summary of Bill's ideas has suddenly clicked with me. Going off to reread Bill's stuff again...
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It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).
This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.
I enjoyed the last amazing unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the "evil government supression" , the air force's secret experiments with the "technology" He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine. Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits. It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)
I do wish he had finished that story, it was quite entertaining. For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html
Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style. What ever you's do, do NOT give money. Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)
You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf (Supposedly ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". ) A very interesting Study.)
I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.
I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near cities, or other communities. It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines. That's quite a punch. It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me? I work for a power company as an engineer. You can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf I'm sure you will find this quite informative. Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer, You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)
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Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.
http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm
The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.
Series LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html
Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html
As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.
With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series...
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.
Thanks for the detail, and the links, we already read about the LC circuits in the www.amasci.com links. But the detail is very welcome. The gains that might start a flame war are well discussed in those articles. In fact the gain is only limited by the Q. So it only depends on how much power you want, and you build the circuit to match your needs. It's out there for the taking. The thing is.... You can take this power from ANY radiant power source within our atmosphere. If there's a particular radio station you hate, feel free to tune your circuits to their frequency and siphon what you need.
So yeah, fun stuff. Crazy thing is, look at the dates of these articles. They line up very well with when the SM device came to light.
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It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).
This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.
I enjoyed the last amazing unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the "evil government supression" , the air force's secret experiments with the "technology" He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine. Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits. It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)
I do wish he had finished that story, it was quite entertaining. For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html
Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style. What ever you's do, do NOT give money. Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)
You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf (Supposedly ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". ) A very interesting Study.)
I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.
I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near cities, or other communities. It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines. That's quite a punch. It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me? I work for a power company as an engineer. You can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf I'm sure you will find this quite informative. Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer, You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)
Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science. Please tell me, is it possible to draw power directly out of the thin air? Turns out, SM isn't the inventor or even conceiver of these principals at all. He's simply a very creative implementer of it. Of course, you being an engineer, will pooh pooh, the source, or even the source's sources. However, keep this in in mind. If radiant energy was an impossible concept.... crystal radios wouldn't work.. BTW what was your first electrical project? I bet a crystal radio was one of your first 10 at least, eh mr. engineer?
If mannix or mark annoys you. ignore them. frankly, mannix's presentation is quite annoying. But you can join us, if you'd like, in trying to figure this thing out. We're pretty much there on theory, now we need to implement. Just think, if nothing happens, you'd get to be there to say "told you so".
Oh, and nobody here invests in these things. If someone actually came up with a device that could go over unity, and didn't freely share it with the world, he would automatically be placed on the "suspicious" list. At least for most of us. We've seen a lot come and go, man.
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So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?
Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!
Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.
Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.
If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.
Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.
This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.
Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.
This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.
Have you ever seriously sat down and asked yourself, reseached as to how it's even possible for the earth to generate a magnetic field?
Lets examine this a little closer.
Most earth scientists believe that the earth, as well as having a high density, the core, unlike the mantle, must be metallic in order to generate the geomagnetic field. According to the dynamo theory, fluid motion in the earth's outer core moves conducting material (liquid iron) across an already existing(how?), weak magnetic field and generates an electric current. The electric current, in turn, produces a magnetic field that also interacts with the fluid motion to create a secondary magnetic field. Together, the two fields are stronger than the original (a transformer) and lie essentially along the earth's rotation axis.
The main characteristics of the geomagnetic field includes short-term and long-term fluctuations in intensity, reversals of polarity at irregular intervals (ranging from tens of thousands to tens of millions of years), an 11? offset between the geomagnetic axis and spin axis, and the drift of the magnetic poles around the geographic poles in an estimated period of several thousand years. Scientists assume that the dynamo theory can explain these features, though a detailed understanding is lacking. There are competing dynamo models, and a great deal of fudging is required to get the numerical models to reproduce some of the features of the actual magnetic field.
To explain the offset between the earth's geomagnetic axis and the spin axis, some scientists believe that the earth's overall Magnetic field may be a combination of a central, dynamo-created dipole field, aligned with the rotation axis, and several variable dipole fields located in the outermost portions of the core. But other scientists argue that there is no physical mechanism to generate dipoles near the core's surface [2]. Some planets have even greater and more puzzling tilts between their magnetic and rotation axes: 46.8? in the case of Neptune, and 58.6? in the case of Uranus.
Even assuming that an outer core of liquid iron exists (which isn't likely for a variiety of reasons), there are major problems with the dynamo theory.
Scientists are somewhat vague as to how a magnetic field could extend 2,000 miles beyond an electric current. It requires a very powerful current to produce even relatively weak magnetic effects a very short distance above the flow. The electrical resistance of iron, at the alleged temperatures of the core(moleten), would be staggering. A steady flow of electricity requires constant potential differences. How are such potential differences produced and maintained in this hypothetical core?
The magnitude, width, and depth of such currents would have to be unbelievable to extend the magnetic field even a small fraction of the distance required, and the EMF [electromotive force] required to produce it would be even more incredible. Where could such an EMF come from? So far, scientists are reluctant to explain this, especially since these currents are confined to a ball and would therefore follow closed paths.
V.N. Larin [Hydridic earth, 1993, pp. 199-200.] questions whether a mechanism exists to maintain strong electric currents in the earth's interior during its entire evolution, and argues that the very existence of active convection in the core is dubious. If convection is of thermal origin, then the source of heat in the iron core is incomprehensible. Another possibility is radioactivity, but no mechanism is known which might have segregated radioactive elements together with iron and nickel. Some scientists think that the heat source of convection may be the ongoing growth of the core. In this case, the heat would come from the potential energy of heavy particles settling in the gravity field, but this is unlikely to have lasted several billion years .
An alternative theory has been proposed by J.M. Herndon, [Substructure of the inner core of the earth', pp. 646-8] who suggests that the earth's magnetic field is largely produced by electric currents generated by a self-sustaining nuclear fission reaction in a uranium (and thorium) subcore at the centre of the earth, having a density as high as 26 g/cm? . However, the existence of such a subcore is entirely hypothetical. It also destroys the entire theory of inner earth structure. (It shows how little we really know about this planet)
Given their belief in the generation of magnetic fields by convection currents of electrically conducting liquid iron in a planet's core, scientists were puzzled by the discovery that the Moon and Mercury had significant magnetic fields, since the Moon's core is believed to be entirely solid and Mercury's core nearly so. Venus is believed to have an entirely liquid core and was expected to possess a strong magnetic field, but no significant self-generated field has been detected. The magnetic fields of Jupiter and Saturn are believed to be generated by electric currents within a layer of liquid metallic hydrogen inside them, while the fields of Neptune and Uranus are thought to be produced in their superheated liquid mantles -- but all this is little better than guesswork Clearly the present dynamo theory cannot explain the magnetic fields detected around some asteroids.
I think someone who posted that our magnetic field is produced by the sun is probably closer to the truth than he knows.
It's really impossible for the earths core, 5000 or more miles below the surface to generate such a giant magnetic field. Especially since the core is thought to be solid, as is the outer core. It would also have to be spinning on it's own separate axis.
We are coming to a time where we need to update these age old models of what and the earth is constructed., no matter how much it hurts the establishment.
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It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).
Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science.
I have read the entire thread before I posted.
I gave my reasons why I think these people are playing games with you. If you choose to continue, that's just fine with me. But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.
I second what gn0stik says and would like to add this: Please don't post anything more in this thread unless you intend to contribute, for it you don't contribute all you are doing in taking up space and hindering our creativity.
You made your statements and tried to make your points and I respect your theories, as I do everyones'.
So please leave it and us alone now.
We have better things to do than read about how we are 'being suckered' and 'all wrong' about what we are doing. OK? Fine, its over now.
I have read the entire thread before I posted.
I gave my reasons why I think these people are playing games with you. If you choose to continue, that's just fine with me. But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.
It's rather rude of you to suggest I'm "trolling". I would contribute, but Now I don't think I'll bother.
Have fun. I'll just read along and laugh. You aren't the first people this guy has played. He's quite good at it.
Make sure your wire is pointing north when you hold it in the air. (Think about that for a moment as well)
And think about the first statment on page one. Does a 100 hp car engine run and put out 100 HP at all times and all RPM? Or does it have a throttle? Ask him to show the math which shows how much HP is required to maintain this car of his @ 60MPH. Cruising speed. The truth of the matter, is that his 25 hp 2 cycle engine is far less efficient than the 100 hp 4 stroke. @ strokes do not have any torque, they make up for it via RPM, they gobble gas because they are a simple pump with no valves, just ports. Ask him how he determined this 2 strokes exaust system design for the load and weight of the car, and for "charging" batteries? It makes no sense to use a 2 stroke for charging batteries.
And no "DUDE", you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science.
In fact, you can't even provide a diagram. he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.
have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"?
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see" the light.
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?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?
Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?
Of course they do! Plus eddy currents, and anything any othr flux material suffers from.
Konehead does a lot of playing around with pulse motors, and iron wire for some things, maybe you can find some usefull information on his page.
This link is for building very efficient neo-mag generator, but just click back to his main page. I think he uses iron wire coils to pick up stray back emf and feed it back into his pulse outboard motor.
http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/RVMuller.html
Ooops. That's not what you were looking for.
I was thinking of This :http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/splatterenergy.html
Which is how to pick up Flux "splatter" and feed it back . Steel core coil, not steel wire.
Still, it's a good tip
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And no "DUDE", you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science.
In fact, you can't even provide a diagram. he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.
have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"?
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see" the light.
Even if this whole thing was bunk and bogus, I know for a fact that me and gn0stik could give a crap, because we already learned some amazing things in our process of looking at this 'fake invention'.
I thank you for your concerns, I really do, but I feel that they aren't warranted in this thread.
That's all well and fine. I was just warning you, there was no need to be rude.
I never said this guy was stupid, just a player. He's probably reading http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm and feeding you interesting things that are sort of relevant, but in the end, they all add up to nothing.
Anyways, carry on. You'll find this same sort of thing(but a different story) on many sites. It's all well and fine, until they con someone out of cash. then it isn't funny anymore.
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Hi Mannix,
Any comments on the posts to this forum in the last week or so ?
Are you still in contact with Steven Mark ?
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The old rotating compass.
Been thinking about the compass. A compass is placed within the space in the center of the toroid. The unit is started and the compass starts to speed up, until the unit gets to maximum power where the compass stops rotating. When the unit it turned off, the compass starts to rotate again and then slows down and stops. It's been commented that there is a jet engine turbine effect.
These are the only reasons I can think for this effect:
a. The magnetic field stops rotating.
b. The magnetic field ceases to be.
c. The magnetic field moves away from influencing the compass.
d. The magnetic field is spinning so fast the compass needle can't get a hold.
I don't think a. or b. are realistic, the compass does start rotating again on slow down.
I find it hard to think d. It's like saying that you can't feel a 200km wind because it's going so fast. If the magnetic field was there you'd get rotation of the compass even if there was a lot of slippage.
But we know the device has inertial effects. And like a tornado the eye has no movement.I think that whatever field is set up has vortex like effects which as it speed up causes the center to be void of magnetic fields, which is 'c' above. Something like a spinning electron field!!! (Hello Mr Mannix thanks for that clue in your last post!)
Incidently I think the first devices created by Steven Mark relied on self-resonance and tuned coils only. With them tuned in to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet which we are assuming, with good reason, to be 173.9 Khz. Extracting energy probably proved to be difficult because variable resistive loads will change the resonance. i.e. You'd have to tune your device to the expected resistance. And if the resistance changed over time (like a heating lightbulb filament might change resistance) you'd probably pass over the exact resonance point and boom your device dissappears in a mass of smoke and copper....
Once he understood the nature of what he was tapping into - and I'm summising the unknown field is spiral (helical) in nature - he was able to create advanced devices. It is these later devices that exhibit the spinning compass effect.
On later devices I believe he was able to directly create the required frequencies and thus not have to rely on tricky positive feedback loops which can get out of hand. If you want to tap into a spiral electric field you need to create a circular polarising waveform. This is what the four coils we can see are for, I believe. The coils would be oriented vertically - with pole going up/down - with a sine signal applied 90degree out of phased. For info. on circular polarisation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization
It is the electric field that spirals and the 'kicks' generate electrostatic effects. Patrick Flanagen's device was an Electron Field Generator.
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Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have heard very little from Steven of late.
I had drawn his attention to the current thread yesterday ,hoping that he might want to add to the entheusiasim but i feel that when he sees the rubbish of late he may understandibly shrink away.
He really liked Dr Morays speech
For those who find my attitude annoying I would like to point out that it is a very fine line between copying and discovering and I do find it frustrating going over what was clearly emphasised previously.
The reason that he has chosen to work thru me is that it insulates him from the stuff that comes from time to time . Many times he has said that he will never look here again. As far as he is concerned he has given us what it took him 10 years to discover. He has also shared the inspiration as well as the fact that the actual source of the energy is not clearly understood . Perhaps tesla understood it. I urge you all to experiment with the head start that he has offered.
I think it unlikely that he will post a diagram but I am sure that he will encourage understanding. This involves people being hands on. I do not know what will come of this but the process is worth contributing to and I urge people with a positive attitude to stay with it ..as for the others they should just watch.
They have nothing to lose and nobody wants any money!
If you think that this is a game then simply do not play if you dont want to but Please try not to make something both fantastic and hard, even harder for those with the courage, who dare to stick thier head into this.
End of annoyance
Sincerly
Lindsay Mannix
So Im not sure who will be offended by what. But I am sure that Steven would be offended by the rubbish. Perhaps he is too sensitivor perhaps he is just completely unimpressed.
Welcome back Lindsay. I hope you didn't take the comment I posted about you the wrong way. I have to admit, I used to find you fairly annoying, and had a lot of questions about your presentation tactics, and the way info has been distributed here. At any rate, I've been working hard to understand the principals you've laid down for us in your parable, and prior to that, and I think we've hit on some important principles here. Whether Steven Discovered, or re-discovered, or simply implemented, is of no concern of mine, I will still give credit where credit is due. I'm perfectly aware that in many cases principles have been discovered by many people in a very close time frame. I sure would appreciate some validation of what we've been talking about as of late. We can still move on without it, as I'm relatively sure we've hit on some good info. Heck, perhaps Bill got his info from Steven. My biggest worry at the moment, is that knowing how dangerous it is, what kind of precautions should we take when implementing. How to SAFELY implement. I don't want my first attempt to go runaway, and start zapping me from across the room. We WILL give this a shot very shortly.
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It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).
This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.
You didn't see nothing... Take a look at this:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneSmallStepForMan/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneSmallStepForMan/)
Now that's a great source of personal entertainment!
Hey thanks for the link, there's some good info in there. Regardless of the spirit in which you posted it.
@Stefan: hey man, our threads are getting derailed quite frequently by these guys who would prefer to be derisive than contribute. Are you ok with that? (not you Kosh).
@Automan: What do you care if we're wasting our time? It's our time to waste. Go bother someone who's wasting OTHER people's time. Like politicians or something. What did you think? That you would just come here and disseminate your immense amount of conventional wisdom and we would all just snap out of it?
That you would personally come and save us from being deluded by hucksters? How self-important is that?
Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.
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Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.
I agree, this thread has been derailed enough by that Automan, everything was going nicely until he wasted almost a day of our time and filled many pages of this thread with pointless 'arguements'.
Lets get back to the issues guys.
Onward to the goal gn0stik!!!
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Alright then, After having read and re-read Beatty's pages, and diagrams etc., I have a pretty good idea how to build one of these things. However I have NO equipment with which to tune a coil, and to be frank, I'm a bit scared of this thing. I don't generally mess around with electronics that have a big "bite" to them, without significant safety assurances.. And this thing could chew my damn leg off if I'm not careful. Nevertheless I'm thinking that if we get some figures down for diameter, width, and number of turns, etc., that can help us build coils without tuning equipment, I will end up buying some wire, and going tongue in cheek with this thing, as long as I rig up a deadman switch that I can operate from a distance. I am, again, re-reading the amasci.com stuff, to solidify this stuff in my mind. I'm also checking out the papers he used a references, as those serve well as coroborative materials. (not that a UW professor has no credibility of his own)
Any way, here is the the C.F. Bohren Paper.
http://www.cheniere.org/references/bohren/index.htm
Bearden's web site had it for free, everywhere else, I had to log in, or buy it.
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I've commented a couple. the white stuff next to the "heat sink" looks like simple peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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That is nothing interesting, peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device. To confirm this, look at the spot underneath the commented pic with the two large caps in it. There is some material cut away there as well. Now, the pic that you posted above of the two round things on top of the heatsink are interesting. The now look like they could be inductors. In previous pictures they just looked like notched disks, now the notches appear to be windings.
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Yes, according to one of Steven's videos, he said on his first device with bailing wire, that the magnets "set up the frequency" of the device.
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From Bills site:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vectFE.html
If there is an energy gain, then probably we can wind a small pickup-coil onto the inductor of the tuned circuit, then connect the terminals of the donut-coil to this small pickup-coil instead of to the high-frequency generator. This will form a so-called "stand-alone closed-loop free energy device." Without some sort of governor mechnism such as some back- to-back Zener diodes connected across the tuned circuit, the ZPE energy would build up within fractions of a second and cause a piece of the wire to melt (or perhaps the whole device would vanish in an immense flash and a clould of green copper-oxide smoke.)
Are those things pickup coils?
As for the magnets.... I'm not sure, I've gone back and forth from thinking that they are "smoke and mirrors" to being certain they are necessary.
The reason I was thinking they were smoke and mirrors because without them, the device is simple to look at and determine all the necessary components.
Bill beaty talks about the shorted secondary coil which the "kings electrons" go down and find a dead end, and then jump wires. I thought that perhaps the magnet starter was to create an initial inductance in the coil, which in turn begins the process of the electrons running down the wire, and hence a magnetic field. This magnetic field forces the magnetic field of the permanent magnets to re-orient in it's presence as it move around the coil, and move back into the coil once it has passed.
I don't really, know, it's all speculation, really.
What get's me is, I have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, they wouldn't be necessary at all. However I also have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, we'd just be stealing energy, and that's cheating... ;) Everything is free when you steal it, even energy. Again, just speculation. EVERY OTHER ASPECT has been nailed down.
I've sent Bill an email inviting him to this discussion. If he's ever experimented with this, I told him I'd be willing to pay him a visit.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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Hi Tao & gnostic,
Found these videos which demonstrate interesting resonant phenomina:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY&mode=suggested&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkox6niJ1Wc&mode=suggested&search=
Although sound is used it's the same principle for electromagnetic waves going around a coil or on a plate or round the circumference etc.
The reason I bring this up is that Tesla observed that disruptive discharge (i.e. kicks) caused different metal objects to accumulated different levels of charge based on their size. In other words this energy that comes from a kick has a specific frequency. If we want to gather this energy on a metal plate, pipe or using a coil we need to know what the frequency is so we can gather the energy effectively.
I'm almost certain I know what the component are in the video clips... but just checking before posting.
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The yellow tubes are high voltage polyester capacitors. I've checked the Steven video these yellow tubes have wires coming from them which can be seen at certain angles.
http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg
(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg)
The two toroids are transformers for sure. 1 transformer for each driving frequency I'd say. Without knowing the number of turns I cant say whether they are increaing or decreasing the voltage. I suspect the turns are the same in which case they are acting like isolating transformers.
The wire and number of turns looks awfully thin to be chucking out any sort of heat. The heatsinks underneath the toroids I think are for high voltage switching mosfets. These mosfets would be used to generate a high voltage square wave with a sharp rise time. I've used these mosfets for exactly this purpose and they get incredibly hot (car ignition project). Also you would never mount the item generating the heat on top of the fins but underneath.
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The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?
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It looks like that every part is doubly present. similar to the thestatika.
@tao
ok, he use only one magnet to the small coil but maybe he just adds only the second magnet! Who knows?
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I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.
The idea is that a battery is connected across A and B but when doing so deliberately create sparks at both connections and then disconnect the battery. This should send some nice sharp pulses into the wires to get things going.
The idea is that a pulse travels down the wire to say kick unit (green) number 1, it then travels down 100's of thin litz wire. This generates a 'kick'. It is my theory that the kicks are electrostatic extremely high frequency high energy pulses that are 'electron' based i.e. negative. This electrostatic energy gathers on the copper tube and will then generate a larger pulse in kick unit 2 and then onto 3 and then onto 4. The wiring is done in such a way that on each reversal of the resonant circuit there are at least 4 kick units (1,2,3,4) or (5,6,7,8) that will be connected to a +ve potential. A +ve potential is necessary in order to get the electrons that are collected on the copper tube moving back through a kick unit to generate more kicks. The cross over at 4 and 8 is so that as current reverses (in LC resonant fashion) the electrons on this copper pipe will contribute to a much higher current on the reverse swing.
I've added a light bulb (25watt!) more for the resistance than any expectation of high current. It will also act as a fuse if unexpected volts or amps appear.
The capacitor and coil are only their for some resonance. Not particularly critical at this point perhaps do a few calcs to get 6khz. Capacitor should be high voltage 1000V minimum.
Sizing of the copper pipe will be critical. As I've mentioned before Tesla noted that size of metal changed how much energy was present on the metal. I believe this is due to a standing wave effect. My instinct says a square is better than a rectangle. For the copper pipe this means the height must be the same as the circumference. Or Height = diamater x pi. (0.5 inch diameter pipe should be easy to get hold of I think)
I think it is important to keep to imperial measurements (i.e. inches and 1/16 and 1/32 of an inch). My reasoning for this is imperial measurements are somewhere along the line, going way back, derived from arc measurements. Distance measured by 1 second of arc on the earth is equivalent to so many inches. Which is why degrees, minutes (') and seconds('') use the same abbreviation for feet(') and inches(''). There is a historic connection somewhere. And since the kicks are linked to sizes of things which in turn is linked to the ionesphere which in turn goes round the earth we might as well pick a unit that was derived from the dimensions of the earth.
Also note that the vertical position of the wire connection to the pipe may be critical to effective working. The Chladni virbratating sound demos/videos vividly showed the effect of how wavelength against size affected things. Perhaps the charge can only be tapped off at certain nodes as per a tesla coil.
The idea is to start in motion a series of experiments in order to get a working cascade unit.
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Initial power is my main problem too. There is so much of what BillB was saying in his papers that coincides with what SM's device does that it's scary, however..... All of Bill's papers talk about a power INPUT. There is no power input that we can see on SM's device. Somehow, the magnets provide this. Also in Bill's papers the power input was AC to power the antenna. The frequency of the current was set to the frequency of the LC circuit. This created the superposition of fields, or "worst case scenario". This is how the frequency is "set up" on the device in Bills papers. Since the TPU's LC is tuned to the resonant frequency of Magnetism itself, the magnets are used to "set up" the frequency, and get the ball rolling. It seems to me, that from what we know, it would take more than a momentary wave of a magnet to create enough current to set up the frequency. But perhaps the earth's magnetic field does the rest of the work?
The following is from the first paper we looked at.
How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.
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I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.
Looks good, I am just curious to see what that thing will do ;).
When done right, the KICKS will manifest themselves as HIGHER voltage than the input that created the KICKS, and those kicks will NOT inherently contain ANY CURRENT.
These KICKS are INSTANTANEOUSLY GENERATED and on a oscilloscope they will appear are large needle lines, hence you could call these KICKS somewhat of a static electricity.
The CURRENT will manifest once that HIGHER voltage KICK is APPLIED to AN INDUCTIVE LOAD, hence a coil/inductor with a resistive load connected to it.
This is not quite how I understand it. I guess the experiment will sort out what actually happens. As I understand, there are two parts to the kicks. When you suddenly apply any potential across a wire. i.e. a square wave with a sharp rise time, when viewing the voltage on an oscilloscope, yes, you will see the needle lines but this is an exact counter to applying the voltage, it is in effect a back emf, it's directly created and uses the power from the just applied current and voltage. The excess power never appears in this circuit. The circuit is completely balanced. Energy in = energy out. BUT a secondary affect of generating this kick is that the wire sends out rays of 'waves/particles'. Any metal objects near by of the correct shape are given a large charge. This 'problem' is designed away. Iron cores absorb this charge, metal parts are earthed. As Steven Mark says you short circuit the power. For this charge to be of any good to us, you need a mechanism of as Steven Mark, says, of "finding the potential". By connecting the copper pipe, which contains this freely generated charge, back to one side of the circuit via another kick generator you now have 'charge' flowing along a wire to the +ve side of the circuit. This IS the CURRENT. The current comes first not the high voltage. But we are immediately using this current flow to generate more kicks. But note the appearance of this charge and thus the current is instant. i.e. A VERY fast rise time. This is exactly what we want for even bigger kicks. This is the cascade in immediate action BEFORE any rise in voltage.
This extra charge ends up on the plate of the capacitor. Extra charge on a capacitor plate is the higher voltage. And hence as the LC resonant circuit reverses current direction, it does so at a higher voltage and thus more current flows than the pevious time. And hence bigger kicks.
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I know exactly how to make the KICKS, I just want to know how Steven is getting his INITIAL POWER that he uses to MAKE THE KICKS and power the solid state electronics.
Anywhere where there are solid state electronics you need to have a good reference voltage - realistically this has to come from a battery. A small 9Volt would be perfect. (You could use capacitors but why bother when a small battery will do and provide reliable consistent operation?) Consider a camara flash driven from a battery. You can easily generate 1000V in a capacitor for discharge. Once the pulses are going if it's a nicad battery you could feed some of the current back into the battery.
Knowing that there is a wind up period in his unit I would have to say that there definitely is a feedback mechanism in his unit and that as the KICKS are reapplied to the input they continually RISE in VOLTAGE/POWER and this then produces larger kicks, perhaps THIS is why Steven said that the control circuitry had to be there so that the unit wouldn't destroy itself??
I think the control circuitry replaces most of the natural positive feedback mechanism. i.e. You put some solid state electronics in the feedback part of the mechanism and then you can control whether you allow the feedback to go round the system again. For instance, take my experiment. In theory as I loop round the finally kick, from kick-unit-4 and kick-unit-8 back to the beginning of the circuit there is nothing stopping the kicks from getting larger and larger other than the resistance of the lamp. If however you break that final kick. You can be back in control. The control unit would put out a large 'kick' hence the 1000V poly caps we can see. Inside the actual coil there could be a series of kick units cascaded. Hence 1 kick could generate 10 kicks if there were 10 units. Have a hundred units and you get a 100 kicks. If the 100 kicks generate more power than the cost of generating 1 kick you have over unity but now you are in control. The control unit kicks out 50 pulses a second (50hz) and 100 cascade units effectively convert this to 5000HZ.
Then again, for me thats all the easy part, MY PROBLEM IS where does Steven get the INITIAL POWER to make that FIRST KICK and WHY does the units stop WHEN the permanent magnet is taken away?
Natural positve feedback requires a magnet ? I'll have to try my experiment with some magnets positioned around to see what happens.
Does the units with the SPST switches EVEN HAVE MAGNETS??
Probably not if he's not looping round the kicks.
Does he use the power from some distant AM radio station, just for those INITIAL KICKS?
I'd say he uses a battery. Perhaps the small units are very sensitive to the freq. of magnetism and start oscillating. I'm going to try and get the thing runnning from batteries first so I can understand the parameters of what is happening. I suspect once we know this we'll have a better chance of creating a non battery standalong device.
Does he use the inherent frequencies of magnetism at about 175Khz taken from imbedded permanent magnets or the magnetism of the earth?
I'm going for 175kHz. After all we know the output is high frequency.
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Tao
This fact was proven by the experiment in which Peter Lindemann and another person stood near one of Eric Dollard's Tesla Magnifying Transmitters he built and each man stood perpendicularly outward from the device while it was in operation. Each man held a different electrode of a common light bulb and the bulb lit brightly while in their hands! Ask Peter if you don't believe.
Hi Tao, I do believe!
This is fascinating stuff. I wonder if each person was at a slightly different negative potential to each other. In other words the bulb lit by only partial transfer of the available charge!!
Do you have any good web references on Eric Dollard (I'll give google a whirl in the meantime) ?
I used to have an excellent book by Peter Lindemann with the picture of a tesla coil with an unconventional spark coming from the top of it, on the front of the book. The book got way layed in one of my moving house. Do you by any chance know of this book, and the name of the book ? As i'd like to purchase it again.
Excellent stuff tao. I think we're really motoring now.
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The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?
Hmm, my guess is, that he just uses these magnets to switch on the circuit
via a hidden reed relay switch and he has hidden a small 9 Volts block battery to generate
the right pulses for the coils !
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@Bob,
where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?
@tao,
how would you generate your kicks and feedback them positively back ?
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@Bob,
where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?
No iron wire at present. My understanding is that the effect occurs when a current first tries to flow in a wire. Using enamelled litz wire is an easy way of applying a current to many wires at once. I think there is going to have to be a fair amount of experimentation to get the kick unit right. I've got a car ignition coil set up to give me a high voltage pulse. Time is my only issue at the moment. Litz wire might prove to be too thin, could just burn up. I'm hoping the large bundle of parallel litz wire will prevent this. Otherwise I'll be moving to a higher gauge wire, and no doubt will try iron wire.
To start with I'm going to try and nail down an effective design for one kick unit and will use a spark plug with a magnet to blow out the spark as fast as possible. The spark plug being used as a diode. Once I have a measureable and consistent effect I'll move on to trying to eliminatie the spark plug. I'm hoping a fast enough pulse train will eliminate the need for diodes. (My schematic is based on this assumption. As Steven Mark doesn't seem to have used diodes in his earlier designs).
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Bob - You're on the right track with the ignition coil and spark plug... and the disruptive discharge.
If I might interject here... what the disruptive discharge does is release plasma. That's not going to run in wire - but you might catch it on a plate.
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I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.
@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?
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In the aerial generator patent that I uploaded, iron wire was used around the magnets. I believe it's purpose was to 'set up the frequency' between the on board magnets and with the magnetic field of the earth. I gathered the idea that the device would not produce power unless iron wire was used in that part of the circuit... Perhaps a small winding of iron wire around the magnets was being used in the TPU?
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I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.
Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.
Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?
Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.
Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......
*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....
Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.
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In reference to the 'kick' - if you are generating any current in a wire... then it will come at the standard cost... and you will see no overunity.
If you plan on using disruptive discharge to get overunity, then you need to understand that any current on the 'other side' of the gap is not free. It will come at a cost - which is more than just running current through the wire... some of the energy is lost to heat.
What you can do with the spark gap is freeing plasma... and you can step that up, and then convert it to current to create more energy than you started with.
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@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?
Yes, it is a modified tank circuit. I'm assuming Steven Mark's device works using two principles. Firstly a cascading of 'kicks' and secondly pulsing the energy formed by these kicks so that these is some resonance with the ionesphere. Now obviously these two principle can be combined together if you know both the frequency for the kicks and the frequency for pulsing the resultant energy. In arbitrary units if you have an ideal frequency of 40 for kicks and an ideal frequency of 50 for pulsing ionesphere then a frequency of 200 will work OK as 40 and 50 are both factors of 200 but a frequency of 100 will not. Much easier to nail down one frequency first and then move up in multiples of this frequency to find out how to pulse the ionesphere.
The schematic is only intended to generate cascaded 'kicks'. The important part is the capacitor which provides a +ve plate to which the collected charge from the copper pipe can move towards thus generating the current. I've added the air coil in order to provide some additional impedance into the circuit in order to bring the resonant frequency down to a reasonable level so that I can observe on the basic oscilloscope that I have. I'm imagining that the 'kick' units will not have a high impedance because they are not really coils.
Totally separately as a test bed I'm proposing using an ignition coil driven by a mosfet circuit which in turn is turned on/off via a signal generator. That way I can give a big walloping charge to just one kick unit in order to get the geometry of the kick unit correct. i.e. To get the size of the collector plate correct. To do this I'll be trying different diameter copper pipe at different heights. As mentioned I'll be starting at a 1 to 1 ratio of height to circumference. So the ignition coil is just there for the test bed and not part of the schematic.
To make things slightly more complicated I've started reading Eric Dollard material as hightlighted by Tao (thanks Tao - it is certainly interesting). Eric believes that there is a difference 'quality' (as in the characterisitcs of the charge) of charge coming from a collapsing magnetic field and one coming from a capacitor... So I might have to scrap my ignition coil test bed idea for that of having a capacitor charging circuit for the capacitor and then organising for this capacitor to dump it's charge across a kick coil at regular intervals. This is more inline with what Tesla was doing with his Wireless Energy Transmission Coil stuff except he used a resonant circuit to charge a capacitor which then dumped across a spark gap into his main tesla coil.
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yes you can pick up the charge that's radiated. But unless you have done something to it, then you are only capturing what you have put in. of course this may or may not be true... but this whole thread is speculation at this point.
How the marks device implements this is something that everyone is guessing at... but if we have decided that it is based on what Tesla did - then you must consider the details of the Tesla coil. Between the Tesla coil and the marks device... we know more about Tesla's work at this point.
Using bob's ignition coil and spark plug - the next step, per Tesla's work - would be to place a coil over the gap. The coil would step up the plasma 10,000 times per foot of coil and radiate that energy - which could then be captured in the form of a charge on a metal plate within range of the coil.
And that's what my comments are based on - the fact that he was using the setup to test the principle of disruptive discharge providing some sort of energy that could be transformed and used without adding load to the primary circuit.
How the marks device does this would be the next step after understanding what exactly is occuring with the disruptive discharge.
And yes - the output is cold electricity... but there is a primary circuit connected to a spark-gap... and yes there is heat at that spark - the cold electricity is the radiant energy.
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One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:
How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?
The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!
The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.
I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....
Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.
Comments please...
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One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:
How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?
The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!
The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.
I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....
Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.
Comments please...
If it's being used as the collector, then I agree that's probably the case. It could also simply be a loose spiral around the outside of the primary coil, for testing. Of course in a collector plate you want surface area, so the ideal item would be a tube, like one of those toroidal cake pans or something, separated by rubber grommets.
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Perhaps if the iron wire (bailing wire) was being used in a fashion like is shown on the basic version (that uses two horseshoe magnets) on the right side of these plans for the aerial generator. It shows two horseshoe magnets with iron wire connected to them. This is a picture from the Aerial Generator patent that shows how the iron wire was used to produce power.
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I narrowed the picture down to this picture. The figure to the right of the horseshoe setup is the picture of the overvoltage relay construction.
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Hi all,
Perhaps there may also be some relevance in the descriptions in this thread that in my opinion ( not from Steven) could be at play here . If you recall Steven saying that tesla discovered that potentials that are seperate from each other can coexist in the same wire. I quote from Steven("I tried it and he is right").
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1165.msg9016/topicseen.html#msg9016
In particular the diagram that is animated with a paint brush shows several aspects of what may be relevant in Stevens invention.
Lindsay Mannix
animated diagram is here:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg
"Potentials that are separate from each other can coexist".
From what I understand, if you set up a standing wave in a wire, you get different voltages along the wire depending on how far from a node you are ? I think this is why comms lines are terminated so that the line appears as an infinite length of wire to the signal. To prevent unwanted reflection of the signal back onto the comms line.
Looking at the paintbrush picture I guess the correlation is that there are opposing signals creating a moving standing wave ?
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One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:
How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?
The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!
The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.
I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....
Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.
Comments please...
Perhaps this is why, when Steven cut open his largest device for the examiner, that there was seen a cork-like material.
IF he used the baling wire as a sort of 'tube' with which he surrounded his KICK GENERATING WIRE then cork material would be the best way to keep this 'tube' at a specific distance from the primary.
From Roland Schinzinger's report on the TPU:
"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."
Tao, I think you are spot on with this observation about the cork. I hadn't thought that the distance from the kick wire to the collector could be significant. I'll add this to my list of parameters to try out to determine the best geometry for the kick unit.
I have to say that Roland Schinzinger's description couldn't be more vague if he tried!!
"These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."
Dissecting his statement:
Array - does this mean "A rectangular arrangement of quantities in rows and columns, as in a matrix." This is the mathematical defn found in a dictionary. Or does it just mean 'many' or 'large number'.
circumferentially arranged coils - if it's a coil of uninsulated iron wire then this would read "circumferentially arranged tubes". Note there is no mention of orientation or these 'coils/tubes', which is an obvious thing to include, so by ommission, the orientation of the 'coils/tubes' is significant.
And the stated physical orientation between these 'coils', wires and cork is totally ambiguous.
Unfortunately work is snoballing at the moment, not least because I've been putting off completing some projects in order to research the Steven Mark device!
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Thought experiment:
I think most people would agree that moving charges causes a magnetic field to appear.
I think most people would also agree that capacitors store charge.
If you mount say 10 large fully charged 2000volt capacitors on the outside of the cylinder and rotate the cylinder at high speed what would be the effect given that you now have 'moving charges'.
1. A rotating magnetic field would be created ?
2. Each charge would create it's own magnetic field which would partially cancel out ?
4. If you set up an LC circuit with capacitors so that charges are moving around whilst rotating would this cause a larger magnetic field ?
5. Would the voltage of the capacitors reduce if a magnetic field is created ?
6. If a magnetic field is created would there be back torque on the motor rotating the cylinder and if so what is pushing against what to create the back torque ?
7. Would doubling the voltage double the magnetic field ?
8. If you could separate the plates of the capacitor further apart would this create a larger magnetic field ?
If the collected kicks on the Steven Mark device are 'electron like' ie. only one charge, if you time the kicks so that the position of the kicks around the circumference move round in a circle, would the result be a moving magnetic field ?
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:P I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."
If that's what you want... then move magnets. Of course then you would have a regular generator.
And setting up a LC circuit would create a pulsing magnetic field in the core of the inductor... so?? If you put another coil around it - then you change the whole resonance equation.
And to TAO... the magnet must induce the initial current. *IF* you can multiply power... it doesn't matter how small a current you start with, eh?? So no need for pre-charged caps or batteries.
The removal of the magnet would cause reverse current to flow (reverse of the original first current) in whatever coils it excited initially. You might want to figure out how that could stop the device... it makes sense that's what's happening.
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We all already know the secret to Steven's device!, (his entire GAIN MECHANISM)
All we need figure out now is what the magnets were used for and from where did he get his initial power source to start the generation of the FIRST KICKS.
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Hi Tao, I'd appreciate if you could write down exactly how you believe Steven Mark's device works.
The first kick is from a battery. You could go ahead on this assumption in order to test your theory on how the device operates.
Permanent Magnets:
Brain dump to trigger ideas:
1. Creates a magnetic field.
2. Magnetic fields cause charges to move.
3. Operation of reed switch.
4. Contribute to another magnetic field.
5. Diverge existing magnetic field.
6. Cancel an existing magnetic field.
7. Source of freq. of magnetism. Acts like a crystal ?
8. Source of magnetic 'particles' ??
9. As part of the current circuit ? Perhaps kick currents interact differently when passed through a magnet.
10. To magnetically saturate a magnetic material such as iron.
11. To somehow alter the freq. on an LC circuit to be much nearer to the required resonant frequency. Don't know how this would be achieved in practice !
12. Nothing. To misdirect people as to operation of device.
13. To improve kick magnitude ?
14. To improve collector tube collecting ability ?
15. To attract kick energy to the collector tube ? (Perhaps kick energy is attracted to a particular pole ?)
16. What does a permanent magnet do if placed next to a capacitor ? Nothing ? Never tried this - no idea.
17. Does a capacitor interact with a permanent magnetic field differently when charged with 'kick' energy ?
Tao, I think you're going to have to start building, if you haven't already, to find out what the magnets are for....
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:P I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."
Elvis, would you like to back that up with any rational logical argument or does being a smartass exclude you from doing this ?
The idea of a thought experiment is that you posit a series of logical steps that follow on from each other to arrive at an unexpected conclusion. In this case moving capacitors should create a moving magnetic field which is indeed an unheard of idea to me.
Simple stating that they don't is not helpful - it doesn't elicit any understanding which is the whole point of a thought experiment.
What is required is to understand which of the steps is actually invalid and why the subsequent step does not actually follow on.
1. Moving charges create magnetic fields around the charges.
2. If the charges are moving in a circle then the magnetic field is also moving. i.e. If at time T1 the charges are in position P1 but not in position P2 but at time T2 they are in position P2 but not T1 by definition of step one above, this satisfies the condition for a moving magnetic field.
3. Capacitors contain charges.
4. Physically rotating charged capacitors fixed to the outside of a rotating cylinder will by definition be rotating the charges. i.e. Moving the charges from P1 to P2 in duration T1 to T2. and QED should create a rotating magnetic field.
Where is the fallacy in this set of logical steps, if indeed there is one.
a. If a magnetic field is created what are the implication of this ?
b. If a magnetic field is NOT created, why not ?
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bob - When I said I didn't want to sound like a smartass, I didn't mean I was shooting you down for the sake of it. I was just trying to politely state the obvious.
First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux.
Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current. The current moves when it's discharged.
Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates. I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor. So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.
And last but not least... I am 100% sure that even if there was a magnetic field around a capacitor... you would be better off moving magnets instead of 2000V capacitors around. And if you are just going to move magnetic fields around - whether they are magnets or caps or wires... you are still talking about a generator... and that is nothing new or exciting.
As far as this device - assuming it is for real - it is either using resonant LC circuits that act as an amplified antenna to draw power from some frequency (natural or manmade)...
-OR- it's using disruptive discharge (on a smaller scale than Tesla or Gray) to break out a component of what we call electricity and step it up before converting it back to restart the process (thereby multiplying the power in increments) (of course it may just break the component out "for free" and it all just adds up.
If it's either one of these cases - an inductor in the device is simply part of a voltage multiplier (like in a microwave oven) meant to collect voltage for output.
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But Elvis, wouldn't the power be a such a high level after the device ran for many minutes/seconds that when you remove the magnet you are no longer just opposing that first magnetic field, but you are now opposing the NEW much more powerful field?
So, I don't see how pulling the magnet away would completely slow the device down to a stop??
Or are you just telling me that when the magnet is removed it starts a chain of events that stops the device eventually, and when I figure out what those events are that I will know what the magnet is there for?
Just trying to understand what you meant.
A magnet approaching the device *appears* to start it.
We know that a magnetic field approaching a coil will induce current.
We also know that the device starts with some amount of power - that's what Mannix has said.
So if it starts with power, and mulitplies that power... then any small amount of power would do - including a small magnet inducing current in a coil. And since we see him do that... I would suggest it's just that simple.
The magnet stays on the device, unmoved while it's running.
Steven said it had to stay there.
We know that the magnet sitting there is doing nothing in the way of inducing current.
So the reason it sits there is not to do something... but to keep from doing what it would do if moved... otherwise, Steven would move the magnet past the device to start it, or put it on and then take it off.
A building magnetic field creates current in a coil... and a collapsing field creates current in a coil... but the polarity is reversed.
Connect a light bulb to a coil and pass the coil through a horseshoe magnet. The light will flash. Actually it's two flashes that are too fast to see as two.
Pass the coil through the magnet and stop in the middle. The light will flash once. When you continue, and remove the coil, the light flashes again.
You can use a compass to see that one side of the coil is N and one side is S when the first current flows... and then the poles reverse when the second current flows.
Given the facts as we know them - I am 100% sure that the reverse current reverses the whole process in the device. Exactly how that works is still not clear to me... and that may be because if I knew that, I'd know how the whole thing worked :)
So that's why I said - this is something to figure out... and I think it's very important to understanding the device.
At the least... it's better to check every leap of faith against the known facts - before you end up miles away from the truth.
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By elvis.
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First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux.
Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current. The current moves when it's discharged.
Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates. I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor. So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.
To point 1: Who said anything about a current going throught a wire ?
Moving charges whether they are in a wire or not create a magnetic field.
A plasma is a good example.
It is also well known that a spinning CD disc create a small oscillating magnetic field due to the static charges on the disc.
To point 2: But they are moving charges which in theory should create a magnetic field. See where I'm going with this...
To point 3: So if a CD disc, with static charge, that rotates can create a magnetic field why not a capacitor with it's much larger charge ?
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Depending on which pole he biased the BLOWOUT with he could charge copper collectors around with either hot or cold electricity.
That's new information to me - I haven't come across this idea before.
Is this an idea of yours or is this from another source ?
Do you have any web refs for this, I'm very interested in following up on this ?
thanks.
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Bob - I see where you're going. But honestly, why not just move magnets?
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Bob - I see where you're going. But honestly, why not just move magnets?
Magnets inducing charges into wires have backemf and back torque and are therefore self limiting.
Can the same be said for rotating charges outside of a conductor that are in a dielectric.
See this excellent web ref which compares moving charge in a conductor with moving charge in a dielectric.
http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp10.asp
The 'kicks' energy on the collector has an electrostatic character, yet the Mark Steven's device has rotating magnetic fields. There is also supposedly some sort of interaction with the ionesphere which can be thought of as a plate of a capacitor with the earth being the other ?
In other words we need to make a leap in our generation mechanisms between a non moving electrostatic field and a rotating magnetic fields.
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There are no moving parts in the device. The rotating magnetic field is from the current flowing.
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So Bob is just trying to find the gap/method of turning electostatic-type radiant charge into a rotating magnetic field and hence getting the output that Steven gets...
Thank you Tao, exactly!
I for one think that when the penny drops as to what is happening to make this device work most people here will say, including me:
'Oh, I now see how this works now, the problem was I was assuming...'
We need to challenge our assumptions in order to make the leap to a better way of generating electricity, which is where the thought experiment comes in.
Let's say we had 50 kick units around the circumference being driven in turn at 175khz. That's is rotating charge at (175/50)*60 = 210,000 rpm.
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Hi Tao,
That magnetic amp. is interesting, more for the way it uses standard components in a novell way (well, novell to me anyway!). I'm not sure it's specifically relevant to the TPU because the magnification is at the expence of the AC input field. I think too much energy would be wasted in the iron cores ? I wonder what an electrostatic equivalent would look like ? But you certainly are a gold mine of material, thoughts, knowledge and inspiration! I can't thank you enough! Perhaps this is one for the backburner, the unconscious does a great job of assimilating new material and allowing the relevant to materialise as a thought from midair.
I also have another observation concerning the 'control units'.
Did you notice that all of the components for the control unit are in the center of the large coil BUT two capacitors are placed right next to the coil ? If I was designing this I'd want everything mounted in the center with socket and plugs to all the other connection wires. It would make sense and this appears to be what he was trying to do. Therefore I believe the driving capacitors have to be mounted near the coil because they MUST BE as near as possible to the 'kick units'.
Is this relevant or just an adhoc design anomaly ?
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Well, I for one think you've hit on something here Tao.
Sorry I haven't been paticipating folks, I've been going back and reading, and re-reading the basics.
I think we've gotten off course, we've learned a lot about frequencies, and resonant coils, and believe we could probably collectively built a moray type device or a vta type device. However I'm starting to rethink my position that the Bill Beaty stuff is 100% applicable to SM's TPU.
Some of it is obviously applicable, but I think it was a relatively small amount, and much of it could server to distract us. For this reason, I've taken what we've learned and gone back to the source, Steven Himself. And reading the postings of the people he praised. I think we've lost a considerable resource in offending him. I think it was unavoidable, since in any forum there will be detractors, theres no way for us keep out undesirables. We can only get rid of them once they have shown themselves. The people who are continuing on here, are obviously the dedicated researchers.
Having gone back and re-read all of SM's original posts via Mannix, we have a lot more info than we realize, but I think we need to re focus.
And since Mannix has started to post again, perhaps we can re-kindle that relationship and continue moving on the correct path.
Perhaps we could start a new private thread, that only the really dedicated researchers can particpate in (bob, tao, stephan, liberty, elvis, and myself, and of course Lindsay, I don't intend to overlook anyone). We can gather all of the the information we know is relevant thus far, and the stuff we are reasonable sure is relevant and post it there. This thread is getting a bit long. This would allow us a good brainstorming environment to lay down some facts, free from derision, and negativity..... thoughts? Stephan? all?
Perhaps Mr. Mannix can feel more comfortable posting some of the other information SM sent him in that thread.
I've also been working on building my pulsed em kundel motor variant. Which also explains part of my non participation... I've been a bit distracted. Too many projects.
Reading through Steven via Mannix's old posts... Something began to trouble me. We've forgotten about some information Steven had given us early on.
From Steven: on page 7
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
So one of these coils is made from many small pieces of conductor, and is in effect many small coils. How does this apply to what you just posted? I believe in effect, what you have is perhaps hundreds of coils arranged in a modified mag-amp.
Look at Schizinger's report in light of this...
"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."
Circumferentially arranged coils makes a bit more sense now.
it's the "....and wires" part that irritates the hell out of me.
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On Steven Marks second device (without tape on it), he said that it is based on the knowledge of coils and the special interaction between the coils.
It seems to all go back to bailing wire... with the magnets.
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Hi all,
I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.
After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament. >:(
Such a pity!! :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.
Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current?
By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.
@stefan hartiberlin:
Can you please also add to your “videothek†the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?
I think it would be good for all of us to have the “videothek†of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.
Best regards,
Christian
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Sorry the correct link is:
www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot2.html
Christian
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Hi all,
I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.
After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament. >:(
Such a pity!! :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.
Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current?
By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.
@stefan hartiberlin:
Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?
I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.
Best regards,
Christian
Hi Christian, welcome aboard. I have to respect someone who reads and understands, and even experiments a little before posting anything. Sorry to hear about your tube frying. Those things are expensive these days. I'm unsure as to whether the increased current is in respect to the plate or the filament as well. I assume it meant the filament. If we had the old RCA manual that would be great. Unfortunately that was probably lost to time.
I assume this experiment from mannix's second post in this thread is what you are talking about.
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
I've been going back and reading steven's(mannix's) old posts as well, and although we've found some new relavent information, I think in our excitement, we have forgotten old tips that steven gave us early on. I'm still going back through to see how any of the old information relates to what we've found recently.
Brainstorming can be good and bad in this way. It can help you find answers but also make you overconfident.
@stephan, what happened to all the material you used to keep on your web site? Seemed to all disappear after january or so.. You used to have a whole section in your /coil directory.
Sad that it's gone.
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Hi all,
I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.
After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament. >:(
Such a pity!! :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.
Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current?
By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.
@stefan hartiberlin:
Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?
I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.
Best regards,
Christian
I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it. I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back.
A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve. The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry. We consider this ok? That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....
Rich
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Hi all,
I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.
After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament. >:(
Such a pity!! :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.
Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current?
By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.
@stefan hartiberlin:
Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?
I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.
Best regards,
Christian
I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it. I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back.
A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve. The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry. We consider this ok? That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....
Rich
I have to disagree man. Nobody's out there killing people that are inventing ways to feed the hungry. I think that's an unfair comparison. If you give someone food, there's not much of a chance that they will misuse it and kill themselves or others accidentally, or start a fire, or worse.. They just eat it. There is a danger factor here.
Another aspect is propagation and understanding of the technology. If you just give someone donated food from a farm, they eat for a little while.. But if you give them chickens and teach them how to raise them, they have eggs and meat forever, and fertilizer for their fields. And they can teach others how to raise chickens. That's all Steven is trying to accomplish.
An argument can be made that the need is too great. Just give us the damn chickens and we'll figure out how to raise them ourselves. Well when hungry people get ahold of chickens what do they do? They eat them right away. Nothing is left to raise. No fertilizer, no eggs... just bones and feathers left over.
If Steven just gave us this technology without showing how it works, what lasting legacy would he have given us? After the websites that have instruction on them are shut down, and the devices taken from us, what do we have? Can we rebuild then? Probably not, as we didn't know how it worked to begin with.
As frustrating as it is, Steven is doing the right thing. I just hope he doesn't stay away from the many for the misgivings of the few. Although this place has it's faults (what group doesn't) this is probably one of the safest places to share it. We are all believers here. Albeit, sometimes misguided ones.
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Hi all,
my intention was only to say that I hope that the positive inspiration of the believers here who are checking out how the devices works and how it could be replicated should not disappear!
@ gnOstik:
the content of the "video sever" is now hosted at http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/
Where the new video is also stored.
best regards,
Christian
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I knew about that directory, I just thought there was more on stephan's old site. I guess he just moved it all.
Cool!
Regards.
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Well I've got plenty of wire, and can work with high voltage safely (if I had a decent power supply).
Can someone send me a link to a decent power supply that will not break the bank? I'm also looking for some test equipment. If anyone has any for sale, that would be ok too.
Personally, I could care less about the ridicule. I've already shut a few up, with evidence of existing technology. I'm sure they still think i'm crazy, but they still drink beer with me, and that's all that matters. :)
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I am wondering how many people have at the very least a cro on hand , have lots of wire around ,can safely work with high voltage,and are ready to wind many different coils ,most or all of which will be non functional.
Dual channel 35Mhz scope, 3Mhz function generator, and a whole bunch of non-working coils!!
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I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular. Ridicule??? I could care less. But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel. And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes. I've built two different versions but nothing worked. My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.
Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS. Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out? That's teaching???
Rich
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Gotta agree with Rich...Sure I got the scope, meters, power supplies, wire, components and the extreme desire to replicate the TPU. But it sure would be nice to have a solid starting point.....even if all it did was power a damn LED. But NOOOOOOO...we get to play the guessing game for MONTHS OR YEARS and still get nowhere. We all have families and jobs to deal with too! It's almost to the Now or Never scenario...cause if things go to s#it like I'm assuming they will....good luck getting the needed components.
Steven Marks- if your listening and aren't blowing smoke up our ass- WE NEED SOME HINTS HERE.
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Steven didn't have to give anyone ANYTHING.
He gave us MORE than enough background on his thought processes leading up to his invention.
We should be so lucky.
Now the time is nearing and we are closing in on the exact way his devices work, OF OUR OWN ACCORD and via LISTENING TO STEVEN'S WORDS.
If this doesn't make sense, re-read EVERYTHING that Steven wrote!
I agree.
I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular. Ridicule??? I could care less. But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel. And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes. I've built two different versions but nothing worked. My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.
Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS. Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out? That's teaching???
Rich
So let me get this straight. You did experiments on the TPU before we had any tips, and now that we have something to go on you are unwilling?
When you were working on the TPU before, why didn't you opt to work on something that had far more information available on it? We've uncovered a great deal here, and now is not the time to quit over sour grapes.
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Hi all,
Well, I studied electronics in 1956. Then I discovered cars. After 50 years of working on cars, my body said no more. Since discovering this site, I have acquired a scope, some meters, some wire, and background of reading on the net. I hope my hand is steady enough to solder?
I have been dealing with other personal issues, but hope soon to learn how to use the scope and do some experiments.
Tishatang
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Some observations:
Ignition coil to provide high voltage pulses
I wanted a source of high voltage pulses to try out various 'kick units. I thought an ignition coil would do the job. The problem with an ignition coil is you need to apply power to the primary for long enough to build up the magnetic field in the primary so that on cutting power to the primary the field quickly collapses and induces a high voltage into the secondary. This works well up to around 1000Hz (which is to be expected 4 cylinders @ 7000rpm is less than a 1kHz). I can get 1 inch sparks without a problem. With higher frequency pulse rate, it looks like the magnetic field of the primary is not fully expanded and therefore on removing the power the voltage in the secondary is vastly reduce and not sufficient for sparking.
I used this circuit here, a kit which I had knocking around the garage.
http://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/illustrated/illustrated_assembly_manual_k2543.pdf
Instead of points a function generator was used.
I'm using a spark lead and spark plug, with the spark plug acting as the first spark gap, I then run a wire from the earth of the spark plug which was going to feed my kick units. However, there is significant ringing (observed on scope) on this wire from the spark plug which has time to fully decay before another pulse arrives.
I'm assuming I need to a get the pulse rate higher so another pulse appears before this pulse has fully decayed ? Your thoughts on this please.
I noticed that on pulling a short spark, the spark was coloured the traditional blue/violet, but on making the spark longer, by moving the wire further from the strike point, at a certain point the spark changed to pure white with no blue/violet overtones whatsoever. There was a distinct crossover. A bit further from this point and the spark was extinguished.
For those that aren't aware, sparks contain a high ultraviolet component, so keep viewing to a minimum and use good quality sunglasses.
Mannix, you'll probably know the answer to this one. If the primary is being pulsed but the spark gap is too wide to cause a spark, what actually happens to the energy that was induced into the secondary ?
1. Does it just 'ring' away with the natural impedance and capacitance of the wire ?
2. Converts to heat ?
3. Induces back into the primary ?
A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?
Has anyone tried creating an air coil + capacitor that is resonant to 174.9Khz, and then placed in a magnetic field from a permanent magnet ? I've not tried this yet.
Anyone got a circuit based on capacitors for generating high voltage pulses up to 200Khz ?
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A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?
The resistance of the wire is still much lower than the resistance of the gap where the spark occurs, and there is relatively little current flow to produce the spark. It is almost "static" electricity.
I don't know for sure why the wires are high resistance. It might be to limit the current to the spark to keep the coil from discharging any farther than is necessary to create the spark.
I know the capacitor is in the circuit to keep the spark from occurring at the distributor. The cap limits the dv/dt at the distributor end so the discharge spark occurs at the spark plug.
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Hi all,
The resistance in the plug wires is to cut down radio interference when the plug fires. In the early days of solid plug wires, if you had a buzz in your radio, you used resistor spark plugs. They stopped using
resistor plugs when all the cars required high resistance carbon coated string instead of solid wire to the plugs. The capacitor in the circuit is also to cut down radio interference from the sparks.
If the resistance is to high (too large a gap to fire) the coil will arc internally across its secondary winding, burning it out after a short time.
I have some 5 strand #26 litz wire I plan to wind many turns around so that it is at least 1/4 wavelength of 175K hertz. I figure I can solder the ends together to add effective length. This is to get the effect of standing waves ala a Tesla coil.
Somewhere I read about an old energizer design which had miles of wire on it. I think it worked by switching it off before the the currant reached the end. Something like Mannix's parable. If I can find it, I will post the link.
Tishatang
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the wire resistance IS NOT NEED !
Car (Germany ) was up 1955 without any resistance ! (only insulated wires)
Some drivers , want to by special (additional) resistors, OR
Spark - Plugs with (build-in"resistor")
to DEGREASE , noise (trouble) in Car-AM-RADIOs.
Thats all .
Nothing "mystery"
D.P.
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Hi all,
I found a site which may help us visualise what happens when different waveforms combine. Opposite of an FFT on a waveform.
This is where all the java applets to run can be found:
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2481
This one demonstrates how any complex waveform can be broken down into it's component sin waves of different phase AND different amplitude.
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2487
Now imagine on the coils that instead of sine waves we applying pulses to each coil. Each waveform could have a different frequency and amplitude and possibly 90 phase change via a capacitor.
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Steven Has said that electron tubes were better,especially when first experimenting because of their ability to handle transients better than semiconductors . Can any body see the relevance of this?
Lindsay Mannix
At a guess, with semiconductor diode you're going to get reverse current if the transient is greated than the breakdown threshold of the diode. Whilst a rectifier electron tube will not have this problem ??
If all coils are commoned on one transformer and you're driving each coil with a different frequency square wave (especially if the square wave isn't well shaped) you're going to get transients ?
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Been having a discussion with gnostic on this one. Can we have votes (A,B or C) in as to what the likely arrangement is:
Steven says the coils are "one on top of the other" :
Would this be:
Version A
A horizontal cross section from the side would look like this, to my understanding.
c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
Version B
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c3
c3c2c1c1c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c1c1c2c2c3
c3c2c1c1c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c1c1c2c2c3
c3c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
Version C
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
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@bob.diroto
I see you added one to the mix. I like A or C.. For some other reasons specified in the letter from steven.
The wording of his emails says not "interleaved", which to me sort of eliminates B. He says there are two collector coils towards the botoom of his message, To me this seems to indicate A or C.
With A or C, either would work in my estimation. They could also be run in parallel, series, two in series, one parallel to those two, etc. I think the arrangement would be the two collector coils in series, and the "kick" coil, parallel to them in the middle. Collectors being c1, and c3, and the Kick coil being c2. Going back to look at the old vids and pics it seems that on the smaller one, A is used and C may be used on the larger one.
If I had to pick one, I'd pick A.
I need to find some Litz wire. Diroto was right about that all along it seems. All I have is solid, shielded wire of various gauges.
Radio Shack?
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Here is an interesting quote from Tesla, look closely, it's exactly what Steven has been saying about what happens when the frequencies and kicks come together:
"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray
higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave
to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously
great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released
into surrounding space with inconceivable violence.
It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower
frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be
produced by intent." -N. Tesla
By the way, I printed off EVERYTHING Steven EVER said in this thread and spent 2+ hours reading all 15 pages and underlined everything of importance, even the very subtleties. I suggest everyone look over what Steven has said AGAIN.
Tao you read my mind.....I also cut & pasted ALL SM/Mannix comments into a MS Publisher file....but added a few insightful posts from Tao, Tishang, and several others that Mannix said were on the right track. Oh and Mannix- Thanks for the PM- will be a big help!
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How about using 3 microcontrollers to generate frequencies amped by MOSFETs and sent into the 3 coils......you could also then use Hall Effect sensors to monitor EM field outputs from each coil as well. You could then set them to automatically scan thousands of combinations and log any magic combos.....
But it is easier to do non-squarewave with the MAX038. If you're looking for a decent schematic check out:
http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Function%20Generator/function%20generator.htm
I found some MAX038's here: http://www.futurlec.com/
They have no phone # to double check stock, but the site accepted my order. Get 'em while you can- this chip is very hard to find.
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For the European experimenters:
There is a complete MAX038 experimental board kit available at www.elv.de
If you search for kit Part No.: 60-272-60 on that side you will be lead to the kit- description where you also can download the whole article from their magazine inclusive circuit diagram and circuit board.
But unfortunately written in German.
But Easier to understand for me this time. ;)
Best regards,
Christian
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Hi all,
Reading some Tesla material and it says the most pronounced affects occured when the mass in the disrupter circuit equalled the mass in the metal object/coil over which the huge 'electrostatic' like, energy flowed around.
Would the mass in the disrupter circuit be the mass of the wire from where the spark occurs but not including the mass of the wire from the pulse source to where the spark occurs ?
Cheers,
Bob
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I believe it's this one. I'll explain why below.
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c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
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SM said they were stacked one on top of the other(paraphrase). The mental orientation of the coil I have in my head when I think of it is laying flat on a table. He would have said side-by-side, or concentric otherwise.
In the case of option C the coil would be short and wide, and the collector coils and the kick coil would be of varying diameters, making tuning difficult. You could probably get it to pump out something but nothing like in the videos.
The TPUs in the video are all thin and tall suggesting stacked coils of a common diameter.
Version B in my opinion is straight out. Nothing with it jives with what we've studied or learned, even remotely.
Now I'm guessing we need to figure out how they are wound, if in fact this is the right arrangment.
Dr. Schizinger said they were "cicumferentially" arranged. I'm thinking the collector coils (c1 and c3) are wound straight around the outside circumference of a round form, creating the toroid with the windings themselves.. This would also explain to a degree the rotating magnetic field as the electrons would have to travel straight around the the coil creating a uniform magnetic field that would emanate from the around the outside, inside, above, and below, all at once, perpendicular to the coil, and travel with the electron flow. The coils could then be wrapped around the outside, and through the center of the toroidal collector coil wrapping it with the "control wiring".
A long spiral winding that is wound around the diameter of the thickness of the coil might create a similar effect, but the field would be slightly canted depending on it's position around the coil.
The problem with this arrangement would be that there would be no core to speak of on the collectors. Just a form to wrap the windings around. Perhaps the "cork like material" was just an insulating spacer between the collectors and receiver/kick center coil (c2).
Once these are all wrapped with control wiring, they would be stacked, and the entire coil portion of the unit could be wrapped likewise.
Going back through the old posts by mannix, I found this.
"one was about 100 mm in diameter the other about 450mm. The small device generated a few hundred watts and the larger device 1 kilowatt." - This is from mannix's first post. An estimate of size. I'm not sure how he could be so sure of the sizes, perhaps because of items in the vicinity of the TPUs. But it gives us something to go on.
The Thickness and height of the medium unit's coil is similar to the large one, which makes me think it's an exact division of the larger one.
Damn i've been busy. No time to wind anything myself yet. In the mean time, i've been going over the videos and scouring old posts for clues.
That's all I have for now, I just had to get it down as a coherent thought before I moved on. This place has become a sort of notebook to me.
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I came across this link while researching mag amps
Magnetic Resonance Amplifier
http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/zpe_mra2.html
"If the rhythmic energy flowing through the mass is made resonant to the mass aggregate resonance, you further reduce the resistance and impedance, thereby achieving unity and in some cases overunity." Vanguard Note Joel McClain
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Would I be right in thinking in the SM arrangment we've just been given, that if I pulse one frequency into one coil and another frequency into another coil that within the empty space in the center of the toroid we would get a superposition of magnetic and electric waves ?
On this assumption, this java applet allow a good visualisation of what sort of resulting waveform will occur for sin waves of various amplitude and frequency.
http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/viewtopic.php?t=35
(Having changed the values in the text boxes hit RETURN key to change the animated waveform display)
Of particular interest are:
1. Standing waves where both frequencies are the same but direction of travel is in opposite directions.
To achieve this using two coils, the coil circumference has to be whole number related to wavelength of the chosen frequency. AND if both coils are wound in the same direction the top of each coil need to be connected to the bottom of the other coil AND then driven in parallel.
2. Where one frequency is a whole integer multiple of the other. Notice how the standing wave appears to move.
3. Where one frequency is very slighly different from the other.
Increasing the ramp-up and ramp-down time of a sqaure wave. You'll notive in the above animation that when two opposing waves meet, it increases the ramp-up and ramp-down times. We could use this to our benefit to make square waves with increasingly sharp ramp-up/ramp-down times.
This allows you to play with combining many sin waves (fft theory) and visualise what happens when a square wave is superpositioned with a cosine wave.
http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/viewtopic.php?t=33
Why am I highlighting these things ? Although an oscilloscope is going to show you what you have, nothing beats trying to gain some intuition, as to what combination of waveforms is going to get you nearer to some of the criteria Steven has mentioned.
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Remember that it also depends on how we arange them as well, If the top and bottom collectors are connected in series, and the middle coil is parallel to both of those, we can't really pump in frequencies from either direction without changing polarity. Unless you have more than one connection to them, in order to do it.. (Remeber steven saying "I tried it, and it works!") This is because they are essentially one long wire making two coils.
As to your video Tao, that's pretty interesting. That's the kind of effect I was expecting to see, with the magnetic field causing inductance into the center coil as it spun around the toroid directionally. Kind of reminds me of those socks I got for xmas last year, that I never wear, though.
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Regards toroids and motional fields...
Please has anyone performed an experiment to rotate a magnetised core inside a simple toroid at a constant speed (i.e. simulated moving flux). Can anyone answer if this would cause a DC voltage to appear at the coil wire ends?
If the flux is contained within the core as you would expect - wouldn't you avoid any back emf. effects when tapping current?
If the answer to these questions if affirmative - then could we not replace the spinning core with a motor winding inside the toroid and tap DC power?
These questions have been bugging me for a while... :)
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Remember that it also depends on how we arange them as well, If the top and bottom collectors are connected in series, and the middle coil is parallel to both of those, we can't really pump in frequencies from either direction without changing polarity. Unless you have more than one connection to them, in order to do it.. (Remeber steven saying "I tried it, and it works!") This is because they are essentially one long wire making two coils.
As to your video Tao, that's pretty interesting. That's the kind of effect I was expecting to see, with the magnetic field causing inductance into the center coil as it spun around the toroid directionally. Kind of reminds me of those socks I got for xmas last year, that I never wear, though.
IF this method is correct, then you only need three connections. Two from those central controls to each with a different frequency, just like Steven said in the video where he turns on the first then second frequency. Then you would need a third connection for the output. None of the 3 toroids(coils) would be connected to each other.
Then again, if we think in terms of PULSED DC and the Tesla radiant then the frequencies in the different coils would still be opperating at a frequency, just not AC ones, only pulsed DC ones, so no reversals of current would be allowed.
The interaction from these pulses then explains the KICKS and how they can combine into larger kicks, and the MOTIONAL FIELD could still happen through the interactions of these PULSED DC impulses based on their frequencies.
More later, I'm rambling on :P
If you go back and read his letter, he defenitely infers that the coils are connected to eachother, and that we should experiment on how they should be connected. At least that was my impression
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
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In regards to freq generators:
Instead of MAX038 which seem hard to get and expensive, why not use cheap CMOS flip flops like
74ACT74?
link: http://www.futurlec.com/IC74AC00Series.shtml
Only costs $.28 and 6nS cutoff time.
I am not technical and maybe I am missing something obvious.
Tishatang
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Please has anyone performed an experiment to rotate a magnetised core inside a simple toroid at a constant speed (i.e. simulated moving flux). Can anyone answer if this would cause a DC voltage to appear at the coil wire ends?
Yes it would. But just because there is only an A-field outside the toroid doesn't mean you won't get back EMF effects. You do get back EMF effects.
But if the rotating magnetic field is created as a side effect of the kicks and some synchronising with the ionesphere to somehow tap into excess energy then you will get a DC output that is overunity. Thus unto how do we convert electrostatic effects (kicks) into magnetic field effects...
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Very nice Tao.
Also have a look at what happens when you have two frequencies that are the same moving in opposite directions. Quite obviously a standing wave. BUT look what happens when you alter the amplitude of one of those frequencies. You get a sort of rotating effect with the pulse.
Now if the circumference is whole number related to the wavelength you're going to get those standing wave pulses occur in the SAME place on the coils.
How do you get a moving STANDING WAVE... I first thought change one of the frequencies slightly but then you get the effect that you've shown on your video, which I think certainly needs investigating.
Then I realised once you've got your frequency that is whole number related to the circumference if you change the frequency slightly that goes into both coils the point of meeting will move slowly round but without the 'capsule' effect.
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Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.
Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?
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Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.
Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?
Ferrofluid should do nicely.......
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Observing the magnetic field in the empty space of the toroid.
Will filling a coke bottle with a mix of glycerine, water and very small iron filings allow this field to be seen in motion when the bottle is placed in the center of the toroid ?
Yes, That should work ok, I would use something a bit bigger, containerwise. Perhaps a small glass measuring bowl, so you could view it from above.
there are magnetic chemical stirring deals used quite commonely.
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Hi Everyone,
I've been closely following this thread on and though I haven?t been posting, I have been actively working on understanding the device as well as testing some of the principles Steve and others have discussed. At the moment, I have acquired a nice digital oscilloscope, a 400W DC power supply and a function generator that goes into the MHz. Right now I'm making a homemade amplifier circuit to run square and sine waves through a bunch of different coils that I found and made myself to see how they respond.
I am also going to be testing the effect of permanent magnets on these coils. There were many posts on the subject so I thought I would put in my two cents worth. I mentioned this to Lindsay in a private e-mail a while ago but I have been doing research into permanent magnets to find a way to make a running permanent magnet motor. I wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" here:
http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90 (http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90)
In the article, I experimentally show how magnets can produce 'kicks' that are up to 100 times as powerful as the magnet itself when the field is quickly compressed and allowed to 'snap' back at 90 degrees to the pole
face.
I began thinking of how this principle may be employed in the Mark device and then it occurred to me that when he placed the magnet(s) in the device, they seemed to be at 90 degrees to the coils (particularly in his first device). Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work. Now, I am still hypothesizing about this. I plan to do some simple experiments to see if this is in fact true but I thought I'd run the idea past you all to see
what you think.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work.
The static kick comes when the high voltage potential is first applied across a wire (inductance) i.e. either before or as the magnetic field is starting to build. As the magnetic field builds around the wire, the effective resistance decreases and the current flow increases.
I have no idea whether the presence of the magnetic field would hinder the initial expansion of the magnetic field, and thus the current, and thus allow a more powerful static kick to materialise. It certainly sounds realistic and very worth testing out. I've made particular note to try out the 90 degree placement of the magnet. I had assumed an inline placement of the magnet. All good stuff.
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I've been looking for a java applet which would allow multiple waves to be superpositioned. Ideally allowing square waves with multiple sin waves of any phase. No luck yet. If anyone else can find something like this, please post!
The nearest I've got so far is this, which allows 4 sine waves.
http://www.coastal.udel.edu/faculty/rad/superplot.html
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Hi Everyone,
I've been closely following this thread on and though I haven?t been posting, I have been actively working on understanding the device as well as testing some of the principles Steve and others have discussed. At the moment, I have acquired a nice digital oscilloscope, a 400W DC power supply and a function generator that goes into the MHz. Right now I'm making a homemade amplifier circuit to run square and sine waves through a bunch of different coils that I found and made myself to see how they respond.
I am also going to be testing the effect of permanent magnets on these coils. There were many posts on the subject so I thought I would put in my two cents worth. I mentioned this to Lindsay in a private e-mail a while ago but I have been doing research into permanent magnets to find a way to make a running permanent magnet motor. I wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" here:
http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90 (http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90)
In the article, I experimentally show how magnets can produce 'kicks' that are up to 100 times as powerful as the magnet itself when the field is quickly compressed and allowed to 'snap' back at 90 degrees to the pole
face.
I began thinking of how this principle may be employed in the Mark device and then it occurred to me that when he placed the magnet(s) in the device, they seemed to be at 90 degrees to the coils (particularly in his first device). Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work. Now, I am still hypothesizing about this. I plan to do some simple experiments to see if this is in fact true but I thought I'd run the idea past you all to see
what you think.
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
Very nice work.
From your article:
Dig into the physics behind the effects. This is where I am currently working. There comes a point where the serious builder needs to acquire a comprehensive understanding of the physics behind magnetic fields. This research is like anything else; you cannot advance it if you don?t know what you are doing. Do your homework.
Amen, Amen, and Amen
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http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/report.htm
On first reading you think they've mistaken collapsing field of an inductor as something special. Then I started reading again... note how they can also see this ringing on the induced 60 hz signal... and later on in the article they appear to be well aware of the collapsing field of an inductor scope signature.
"...The sensitivity of the scope was turned up to inspect the "hum interference" being picked up by the coil and it was noted, that there was a ringing on the induced 60 hz. signal on both the positive and negative portion of the wave form. The ringing started at the point on the waveform, just as the sign wave started to decrease from its maximum rise?time. The ringing was again counted and again found to be 24,080 hz. An audio oscillator was set to 24,080 hz and we attempted to hook it to the coil. Upon approaching the coil with the 600 ohm feed lead, the subject amplitude increased dramatically and was sustained.
Much effort was given to the notion that the current pickup of the coil was due strictly to induction. The coil was placed inside a special magnetic alloy shield, with a resulting increase in the output current. This was just the opposite, of what we might have expected to happen. Many other efforts were made to determine if the coil was deriving the ringing energy from some source of electrical interference. After a couple of hours of effort, no source or other explication was discovered. "
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
This article is an excellent read
....SuperLight was identified scientifically over 100 years ago when James Clerk Maxwell solved his famous wave equation. This occurred shortly after radio was invented by Nikola Tesla, and theoretical physicists tried to find a mathematical model to explain radio waves. When using positive numbers in Maxwell's Equations this explains radio waves and also all forms of electro?magnetic radiation such as light, radio, TV, microwaves, x?rays, etc. What his equation also explains 100 years ago was SuperLight but because it was the solution that comes from the use of negative numbers, "this second solution" was ignored for over 100 years. Remember when you were taught algebra and were told to ignore imaginary numbers (e.g. The square root of ?1) because they have no meaning in this world. Well, times have changed and now we have a very valid second solution to Maxwell's equation and it is SuperLight.
In the mid 70's a scientist, Dr. William Tiller, at Stanford University took another look at Maxwell's equation and asked; "What does this second solution explain when interpreted in our world."{1}
To understand this second solution, we must first review what the first or positive solution explains. The first solution is as follows: Radio waves leave the antenna and radiate out into space from a point source (the antenna) equally in all directions into space toward infinity traveling at the speed of light. The wave is composed of a large electrical component and a small magnetic component 90 degrees to the electrical component. Thus named, electro?magnetic radiation.
The second solution describes a particle wave of just the opposite structure. It explains that from infinity traveling toward the point source from all directions radiates SuperLight. This new radiation is composed of a large magnetic component and a small electrical component, thus the name, magneto?electric radiation. When the equations are looked at more closely, one finds that "SuperLight" travels at the speed of light squared ! 1020 meters per second, or 10 billion times faster than light.
It has a frequency 10 billion times higher, and has a corresponding, shorter wavelength. It therefore has a higher energy density.
The question one asks immediately is, "if it is so powerful, how come we do not feel it, or how come it is not detected scientifically?" Well, the frequency is so high, its wave length so short, (4 x 10?8 nano?meters, or 4 x 10?17 meters), its velocity so fast, that it goes through everything as though the substance was nearly completely transparent (like glass).
We can say the higher frequency is completely penetrating like x?rays, but even more so. More information, regarding the relative size, will be given later.....
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My belief is that the "kicks" come from the use of iron wire (which develops the beat frequency for the device). The frequency is set up by the magnets (the signal injector). Steven said on his second model, that it is just the coils and the interaction between them. Steven also said that the TPU is a conversion device. It uses the magnetic field of the earth to generate power through a converter process.
Therefore, no electronics or frequency injectors. No batteries, no signal generators. Only the control circuit has electronics (the small electronic device in the center of some of his larger devices, (not all). That would seem to indicate that in order to produce power, the electronic control device is not really needed. That is why I reference the previous patent on the aerial generator. It shows a method of using iron wire with the magnets and a zinc plate (perhaps a copper coil could substitute?), which produces power. I think that the TPU does a similar thing.
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Liberty,
Without the use of a battery and some electronics, how would you propose the initial "kick" can be created? SM has made a concerted effort to convey the message that the kick is very important, and is a result of initial "current flow" in a piece of wire. You have not said it directly, but do you believe that the application of the magnet to the TPU is what initiates or creates the first kick? I feel that the magnet is not there for that purpose. It is there to create an imbalance in the total earth flux flowing in and/or through the toroid.
I am not implying that there are any frequency/signal injectors at all, I am proposing that there is a battery source and this battery source is switched alternately to the 3 "excitor" coils to create very short current pulses in each coil. We are not talking about square waves here, only extremely short pulses. This is what SM has been talking about and emphasizing. Only a short pulse should be required to initiate a kick, so why leave the circuit "ON" for longer than is necessary to produce one? After this, yes, now it is the arrangement of the coils and how they interact with each other that "amplifies" the kick effect to produce useable power on the output coil.
I am sure there are still a few very key elements missing in the information we have to successfully get one of these devices going. Only SM knows however.
Incidentally, there do exist some counter-positive factoids about Steven here: http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=987
and therein is mention that he has used a battery.
Darren
When you look at the video of the 2nd device (without tape) that has two rings, there does not appear to be room for any electronics(may be a capacitor on board, but not sure because the picture is of such low quality). He also does not mention any battery or electronic circuit. He says that it is a conversion device and it has to do with the relationship of the coils to one another. Coils are very important he said. So with that in mind, here is a different device that uses iron wire combined with a zinc plate and magnets to develop power. It is a patent from a long time ago. But could you see how the magnets (which Steven said, 'sets up the frequency'...) could be used as the input frequency to combine with earth's frequency? These two frequencies if mixed would effectively lower the extreme frequency of a magnetic field and produce voltage spikes that might be seen in a coil. This could be the kick that repeats and winds up as long as the magnet is in place? When the magnet is removed, the voltage winds down as per the video on Steven's first device with bailing wire (iron wire).
Look at the patent, and imagine if you replaced the zinc plate between the horseshoe magnet, with a copper coil such as the TPU device has, would it develop a voltage output, being fed with iron wire? Also I have attached the aerial generator file below.
Anyone's idea could be valid or all put together. At this point it is just a guessing game, until we experiment a little.
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I went back to watch "coilnew01.avi" to see if it is the video showing the exposed wiring. It does not appear to be the one, however, in it SM states this "...it doesn't contain any batteries capable of generating the amount of electricity that you're going to be witnessing here." That is a direct quote, and to me in other words says that it does contain a battery or batteries, just not one powerful enough to produce the level of output we see in the device.
It should be noted too, that this is his first device he built with bailing wire, and it too has some kind of coil or "something" in the middle of the toroid, in this case on top. This no doubt is an equivalent to the controller parts seen inside the large toroid. There just is too much evidence for me to ignore the distinct probability that there is indeed a battery required for its operation, and not strictly for the controller portion.
Could someone please provide the file name of the video(s) showing the compass spining, the cutting open of the coil, and the bare exposed coiling? It would be much appreciated, as I feel "behind" and not able to contribute much more without having seen them.
Thanks,
Darren
Your quote is true, however, if you go on to listen to what he says later, he says that the device "is very very cheaply put together, no mass circuitry with this stuff, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they enteract with each other"...
This is said at the very end of the bailing wire device clip for those of you that wish to listen to it. But who knows, maybe that means he is still using a battery and a little circuit of some sort??? It's anyone's guess.
As far as the toroid that is in the center of the bailing wire device, it appears to be a copper winding. I just wonder if it is being fed by the bailing wire (iron wire) that is coiled on the empty wire reel edge that he is using for his device? Could it be that once the iron wire feeds the copper winding on the core, that the voltage is increased with more windings around the core like an old car spark coil is made? Just a thought...
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Exactly!
Not a mass of circuitry...again probably implying that there is circuitry, just not complicated circuitry.
For those not "in the know", before any real progress can be made with this device, the question of whether a battery is needed for its operation is fundamental. This is fundamental to successfully duplicating the device, and I am convinced there is one.
Liberty, you mentioned the 2nd video, it sounds like one that I have not seen. Could you please indicate what the file name is for this video clip and where it can be downloaded?
Thanks,
Darren
I'm not sure where the videos are all at, but here are some videos and some pictures. http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/ (http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/)
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I have no idea how you can make any of that out from that picture. It's totally blurry. I watched the video, and it doesn't appear to have any wires running into the corner of the magnet, he Just sets the magnet on there and removes it, to demonstrate it spinning up and down.
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I posted earlier about Moray needing a ground. Another article says otherwise.
Link: http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html
Which leads to this link:
http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/energy/moray1.asc
" What sort of an apparatus is Moray's Radiant Energy Device?
Briefly, it would appear to be similar to a radio receiving set of
power proportions.
It is composed of two coils of wire, or inductancies. It
contains several condensers, or capacitors, of different sizes.
There is a detector tube, or electronic valve, and two
oscillator tubes. Added to this is a "bar of silver and a bar of
copper", a starting device, and a step down electrical transformer,
reported to be 1000-to-1, primary to secondary.
All of this is enclosed in a box measuring about 30 inches long
by 16 inches wide by 16 inches high. It weighs about 50 pounds.
There are no moving parts. Moray says there are no dangerous
radiations surrounding the box when it is in operation.
Many persons have looked inside the box. Several have made
more than a cursory examination of its contents - except for the
detector tube!
The inductances are about eight and 10 inches in diameter. They
are composed of several layers of wire. The diameter of the wire is
much smaller than necessary to carry anything like 50 kilowatts of
ordinary commercial electricity.
Probably, there is a direct relationship between the size of the
wire and the number of turns of it on each coil. Further, it can be
assumed the distance separating the two coils is important, as well
as the direction in which the coils are wound.
Moray is silent as to the materials used in his capacitors or
condensers. Neither does he tell their capacities. They vary in
size but this is not indicative of capacity!
If one part of the apparatus is more important than another I
would conclude it is the tubes or valves. Moray will not say much
about these. He admits they do not contain an electrically heated
filament whose radiations provide the means of carrying currents to
different parts of the tube and which produce the valve action.
Page 5
How, then, is this valve action produced? Moray does not say.
I have learned, from other sources, of Moray's purchase of
radioactive materials.
I have been informed by one source that Moray uses these
radioactivities as the "carrying-currents" within his tubes. Exactly
what the radioactive materials may be, I have not learned as yet.
Some say it is a uranium compound; others deny this. What is
more, we do not know whether the detector tube and the oscillators
use the same materials.
Being cold tubes, it can be assumed they are not vacuum tubes.
However, Moray does have vacuum pumps in his laboratory. The tubes
may be filled with gas. But if they are filled with a gas, what gas?
These tubes, especially the detector, seem to be the weakest
links in the chain of parts in the Moray system. By far the greater
number of times the demonstration apparatus has stopped because of
troubles, it appeared the trouble lay in the detector tube.
Moray does not allow anyone to see the detector tube -
apparently the big secret of the device lies there!
At the same time, the least understood of the device's mysteries
is the function of the bar of silver and the bar of copper set side
by side.
Are they "true" copper and silver? Or are they alloys -possibly
treated with the very radiant energy they may help to produce? Have
they been transmuted in some way? Are they only decoys? Are they a
special type of air condenser? Are their lengths, widths,
thicknesses, as well as their distance apart, important? All of
these questions, and many, many more, flood into one's mind - and
remain unanswered!
Early in his experiments Mr. Moray used both an antenna and a
ground connection. He no longer uses either. This eliminates the
possibility that he taps either current from power lines or from
radio transmitters. "
Haven't read the rest of this thread, but seems Moray had more in common with Mark device than I realized.
Tishatang
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Dear Lindsey..could you find out for me what motor this was ..I am looking at building a hybrid. I know its of the topic but would help me.
I found a wonderful 2-stroke gasoline engine that would put out 25 hp on one gallon for 3.5 hours.
Kind regards
Mark
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Who is performing the experiment in this picture?
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http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1329559.pdf
One way fluid valve of Tesla. This fluid valve works best when there are large, high frequency impulses imparted to the fluid. I'm wondering whether this device came about by the equivalent for an electrical circuit and if so what form would this take ?
I know a diode works as a one way valve but I'm wondering whether tesla had created another electrical one way valve using some other concept.
Would it be possible to loop round the current in a wire in such a way that the magnetic field generated by the current in the wire would automatically oppose current reversals particularly when dealing with large high voltage impulses ?
For example, take a length of wire, bend it back on itself and then wind a coil around the wire up to the point where the wire was bent and then repeatanother say 2 inches down the wire. End result is a length of wire over which there are turns of coils wound from the same wire ?
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Who is performing the experiment in this picture?
Given what looks like the copious amounts of iron/steel/metal in the device, it looks like it is before the information given by Steven Mark. As it has been stated that iron cores are definately not used.
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I've got litz wire which has at least 25 strands. Each individual wire is enamelled.
I've been painstakingly sandpapering the end of each wire in order to remove the enamel and make a connection. Is there a better way of removing the enamel on litz wire ?
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Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!
Lindsay
I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.
I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.
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Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!
Lindsay
I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.
I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.
You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.
perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?
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Hello I have some questions for the group
Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?
I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.
Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?
Thank you
Mike
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Who is performing the experiment in this picture?
It is from George Woynar?s group, who are also trying to replicate the
Methernitha Testatika.
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Hello I have some questions for the group
Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?
I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.
Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?
Thank you
Mike
Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.
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Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/
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Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!
Lindsay
I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.
I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.
You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.
perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?
Hi,
Though it was a long time ago I did the following to clean the end(s) of Litz wire:
-Use a lighter and burn the end of the Litz till the textil is burnt and the wires get red hot (a few seconds)
-While red hot, suddenly put/dip it into spirits (denatured alcohol) you provided in advance in a very small dish near to you (if you have no denatured alcohol I think normal +90% alcohol will do) Be very careful not to light the alcohol in the small dish!
-Now use (multicore) solder wire (which includes resin) and the tiny wire ends should get nicely tinned by using your normal soldering iron.
rgds
Gyula
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Here are still a few more videos:
http://ntint.ntinternals.net/
Thanks Stefan. Much appreciated. Is that your site as well?
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Hello I have some questions for the group
Why did SM use bailing wire in his first device?
Was it the core of his output coils?
or was the bailing wire part of the current path?
I have seen the video with the coil being sawed open, they cut out a pie shaped section of a medium size TPU. You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly.
The scroll saw used to cut the unit open cuts through pretty easily so any metal used in the device must be soft.
Could someone give an idea of how the coils might be configured in a schematic type drawing?
Thank you
Mike
Where did you see this video? I've been unable to find it. Stefan used to have it in the old harti.com/coil site, but it's not moved over here yet.
I've looked at all the videos on 'ntinternals' but non are clear enough (on my computer) to be able to say:
"You can see two coil ends with what looks like a wood section in between and the output coils wraped around toroidaly."
I'm fairly sure this is a video I haven't yet seen, do you have a name for the file ?
As for the baling wire. This is either wrapped closely together to form a kick collector 'tube' (see an earlier post of mine) and would form part of the circuit OR forms an actual coil in which case the coil would not be tightly wrapped other wise the contact of the uninsulated baling wire to the next turn would ineffect short the coil. I don't think the baling wire would be a core because SM has stated the cores are not made of metal.
HOWEVER, different orientation of coil means that it may be possible for one coil to in effect become the core for anothe coil, so in this respect the baling wire could become a core but only if it were a coil as well.
Cheers. Bob
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Thanks Bob
I will read your post
I am still trying to get a grasp on the coil arrangements.
the vid is called energycoils_full_divx_gsm_audio
I forgot were I got it from
I have it saved on disk though, if you want it
I'm not shure if it is the same one you saw allready
what is the name of the file you saw?
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Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?
Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.
I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.
As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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After watching all the videos, it seems evident that there may be 2 or 3 different versions of the device. I am not talking about size and power output, but physical configuration of the coils.
Remember Steven said to forget coils and just think about wires and kicks. Maybe the physical configuration isn't so important.
Also note that at one point SM states that the device vibrates slightly at a frequency of 7.3 Hz. Then at another point, he states that it vibrates at a frequency of 5 kHz.
And the measurement equipment was? His hand? 7.3Hz measured by hand? Wow!
I'm sure he measured it with other equipment prior to this taping, to know the frequency.
Also, perhaps your right about the arrangement. But then he also states that it's important to know about the interaction between coils, I don't think arrangement is totally unimportant either..
Regards.
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I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.
Hi Darren,
I never saw him place a magnet on the device in that video, but assuming that you are right about it sticking to the coils, that would make sense if he is using ferromagnetic iron wire for the collector coils.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Why would Steven give us hardware diagrams if he doesn't know how it works?
Seriously, He's made several of these, and he's guiding us down the road of discovery, on the principles of discovery that led him to make them. The only hints we have to go on, have come from him, and here we are all working our asses off trying to decypher his notes to us, and we don't think he knows how it works? You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology. If that were the case he'd be teaching in the public school system, with all the rest of the ignorant teachers. Let's not go down that road again.
I for one think he's probably the only one (outside UEC) that does know how it works.
As for the camera anomaly. That is interesting, remember however that this was done in the late 80's with magnetic tape media. It could have been stored badly, or is just aged at the time of conversion to digital. It's hard to say if that is caused by device, but it does look like RF interference as I have seen it in the past.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
Quote from Gn0stic: "You can't have it both ways, either he does know how it works and we're not wasting our time, or he doesn't know, and we're all idiots. Which is it? He can't be both our teacher, and ignorant of the technology."
I agree with you Gn0stic.
Or another possiblity is that he is somewhat aware of how it works, but wants to protect his device and is leading everyone to a technical 'close miss' so it sounds on track but is really a wild goose chase filled with mysteries that will never end (like the 'kicks'). The end result is dead ends and wasted time and everyone gives up resulting in a protected device that nobody can recreate, while admiring the inventor because he was able to do the impossible that no one else can seem to understand. Already there are contradictions in the recent notes and what is said on the early videos... As someone already said that the notes say forget the coils, and the video says: no circuitry, no battery, just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other, the coils are very important...
I think that the early videos hold the most promise, especially the tips that Steven tells us in the videos. (Almost daring you to figure out the puzzle). Steven was not near as careful in hiding the device secrets in the early videos as he was in later devices that are all taped up, centering up on performance and size of the device, rather than technical aspects of the internals of the device. Steven doesn't act like he was the original inventor (in my opinion), but more like someone who ran across a method from someone else (perhaps the patent on the aerial generator?), on how to make a conversion device using iron wire with magnets and the earth's magnetic field, which was not well known to anyone. I think that Steven used this type of knowledge and combined it with his knowledge of transformers to come up with his 'TPU'. I believe that all of the devices are based on the same method, and the device is really very simple and less complicated than we are being led to believe. But that is just my opinion.
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Yeah, your right Tao, we seem to have gotten ahead of ourselves again. We need to be measuring kicks. Has anyone had any luck yet?
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I believe there may be some ferromagnetic material inside the device, otherwise his little magnet would not stick to the side of the coils. He can be seen doing this on the coil he eventually cuts open. It appears at least that the magnet sticks. I could be wrong however.
I'm not bothering to try and get a non battery version going. I don't think it can be done without knowing the exact frequencies. SM obviously had access to an FFT scope (spectrum analyser). I'm seriously thinking of getting a oscilloscope board for my PC which has an FFT facility included. The main issue being I don't want to fry my PC.
Don't know about anybody else but with 500V pulses going into my coils any neo magnets within 3 inches of my coils start to flip around, as would be expected.
I believe the vertical control coils (kick tubes) are made of iron wire onto which the neo magnet sticks.
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See tao's diagram in this link
I believe the coil tao has marked "Control Wiring Vertically Wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils" are made of uninsulated iron wire, to form a kick collector tube. As per Tesla who said metal objects of different sizes collected radiant energy dependant on their shape, and mass related to the mass of the disruptive discharge circuit. Therefore I'm guessing this tube needs to be an as yet unknown, specific diameter and height in order to collect the radiant kick energy.
I haven't as yet been able to 'collect' any form of kick energy on an iron tube which surrounds a wire which has rapid pulses applied to it...Anyone else had any luck in observing a measurable voltage, or current spike, on applying a high voltage pulse across a wire ?
The iron tube sings to whatever frequency of pulses you put into the horizontal coil. But this is just a magnetic field effect, as the tube is physically vibrated in the magnetic field of the horizontal coil, and is to be totally expected.
I was thinking maybe the physical vibration of the iron coil interacted with the permanent magnet which was placed on the side of the iron coil, would also be physically vibrating, thereby creating some vibrating permanent magnet effect.
e.g. The iron coil physically vibrates, causing the permanent magnet to vibrate, which induces further current into coil, causing more vibrations etc. etc. Which when linked to frequency of magnetism the alledged 174.9kHz would cause some unexpected energy to appear.
What are your thoughts on this theory ?
Mannix do you have anymore unpublished info. from Steven Mark ?
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From Lindsay
It would be preferable if you could keep the primary inspiration from those who are not in a position to contribute at this early stage.
I understand now.
It's too bad that just because one has only recently joined, that they are automatically labeled "not in a position to contribute". For the short time I've been here, I feel I've contributed more than my share, and I emphasize the word share. I didn't have to spend the hours I did compiling all your and SM's letters the way I did. I didn't have to spend the hours contemplating that diagram I found then drawing up the diagram and sharing it. I didn't have to spend the time thinking about the "kick" issue and how to test for it, then post it, but I did. If that's not contributing, then that's a real shame. It seems there are only a few who post here, and some very infrequently with new ideas. I though I have brought a few good ones.
Anyway, good luck to you (the few) guys, I hope you crack the safe. To those who are in the same boat as myself, good luck to you as well. Perhaps I'll start a new group on Yahoo, where all will be shared with everyone.
PS. Lindsay, I did read ALL the posts (I gathered them all in one file remember?), and there is nothing close to what tao has just posted.
Darren
To z_p_e:
I appreciate the information you have collated, and time you have spent, and ideas you have put out to the group. Do not assume that Mannix speaks for all of us here.
I do share Mannix's frustration, which I think is what is coming out in his replies to you, that there is obviously a configuration of coils and simple components (capacitors, resistors etc.) which has the potential to eradicate poverty WORLDWIDE. Lack of Energy is what causes poverty, and what gives tremendous political power to certain countries.
z_p_e please keep posting.
To Mannix:
Why don't you post, for all to review, the information you sent to a select few of us ? Whilst I appreciated being in the loop for the personal message, I believe this caused a level of disquiet. I'm still wondering whether there is other information that has been sent out to other people, where I wasn't included. I do understand the sentiment behind the personal message, of let's cut to the chase. But I think the key will be some 'newbie' asking what appears to be the same quesiton but in a slightly different way, and then something clicks with one of use, as to what is really happening with the coils.
How often have you had a problem and then over a beer explaining to a friend in simple terms what the problem is, the answer suddenly becomes obvious to you, simply because the process of explaining allowed certain assumptions to be reviewed.
Perhaps we should try a different tack of explaining to newer posters (of which I was one not long ago) what the current theories are, and what we are currently trying to do. I'll try and put a post together later, on this tack, as I now have paying (imagine that!) work to complete.
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Is anyone else besides myself waiting on the MAX038 Freq. Generator chips? I did post a source although I don't know how many they have since this is a discontinued chip.
As for the PM some of us received- I think Mannix was trying to encourage some of us that maybe have the equipment needed to explore deeper....You're not going to crack this nut w/o a scope, freq gen, and a counter wouldn't hurt either.
Tesla revolutionized motors with a "rotating field"...might help to go back to basics a bit......
Oh...BTW....and old computer monitor makes an awesome mag field detector.....might come in handy. See attached pic.
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From Lindsay
It would be preferable if you could keep the primary inspiration from those who are not in a position to contribute at this early stage.
I understand now.
It's too bad that just because one has only recently joined, that they are automatically labeled "not in a position to contribute". For the short time I've been here, I feel I've contributed more than my share, and I emphasize the word share. I didn't have to spend the hours I did compiling all your and SM's letters the way I did. I didn't have to spend the hours contemplating that diagram I found then drawing up the diagram and sharing it. I didn't have to spend the time thinking about the "kick" issue and how to test for it, then post it, but I did. If that's not contributing, then that's a real shame. It seems there are only a few who post here, and some very infrequently with new ideas. I though I have brought a few good ones.
Anyway, good luck to you (the few) guys, I hope you crack the safe. To those who are in the same boat as myself, good luck to you as well. Perhaps I'll start a new group on Yahoo, where all will be shared with everyone.
PS. Lindsay, I did read ALL the posts (I gathered them all in one file remember?), and there is nothing close to what tao has just posted.
Darren
Well, sorry if we're a little slow on the draw. At first we were probably just waiting to see if you would contribute, then, if you would contribute anything useful, then if you would stick around and then, we just probably forgot. Nothing against you man, your obviously a go getter.
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Hi group,
energycoils-full-vid screen shot
The bottom arrow shows wires hanging out from the cut, top arrow shows what looks like more wires I will post better screen shots soon.
thanks Tao for the help
The video shows a TPU being cut and the Engineers take meter readings from coil ends and various locations.
;DMike
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And what is this sitting on the control box looks like wood?
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AWESOME picture.
Can you do some more pictures with the magnet in different positions so we can see the magnet's field?
Like try the magnet flipped over, rotated 90 degrees, etc..
Thanks either way.
You look here http://mindprint.dyndns.org/trmweb%20II/Magnete_Feldlinien.htm (http://mindprint.dyndns.org/trmweb%20II/Magnete_Feldlinien.htm) and scroll down.
Anziehung=attraction
Absto?ung=repulsion
regards
Norbert
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Hi group,
energycoils-full-vid screen shot
The bottom arrow shows wires hanging out from the cut, top arrow shows what looks like more wires I will post better screen shots soon.
thanks Tao for the help
The video shows a TPU being cut and the Engineers take meter readings from coil ends and various locations.
;DMike
Is it possible that you upload this video so that everyone can watch it?
thanks
Norbert
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Hi Norbert,
The video I have is to large to post (173Mb)
I will figure somthing out.
one more shot from the vid
Is this the magnet holders?
;DMike
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This is a summary of where I am in my thinking and experiments:
SM, I believe uses the term ?Control Wires? in the very broadest sense meaning wires involved in the input and output of the TPU. Because if you are feeding some of your output back into the input the output could be thought of as control wires.
High confidence this is correct.
SM has said there is a rotating magnetic field in the empty center of the toroid and it is this field which induces the voltage and current in the output coil. In tao?s model the output coil would be the very outside control wires. This is further backed up in that SM has stated a compass rotates slowly at first and gradually picks up speed and then eventually stops. It is my belief that the compass stops rotating because the magnetic field confines itself to a small circular area near the coils. If the magnetic field is their the compass will rotate IMO. QED no rotation, no field moving over the compass.
The Kicks
I?ve not been able to get a useful measure of the ?kick? effect. I?ve confirmed that shorting a battery with a jumper cable, as per Mannix suggestion, does result in the cables jumping, but it is more like a twitch. As per several of my postings I?ve tried linking an outside tube made of iron wire, into a parallel LC circuit to see if energy could be enticed to build up in an LC circuit. Not a sniff of anything unusual. My thinking here is that my circuit is not isolated enough. I have not yet tried using a transformer to pulse the high voltage into the circuit. SM does specifically mention that transformers were part of his discovery process. SM says unusual things can be observed (oscilloscope or spectrum analyser ?) when two high voltage transformers get slightly out of phase.
My assumption is that the ?kicks? are linked to Tesla Radiant Energy which has an electrostatic component. Radiant energy requires metal objects to be of a certain size, shape and mass, for it to collect on a metal object.
This is my number one aim. To get some kicks and make some measurements. Anyone got this working yet ?
Frequencies
There are lots of numbers bandied around:
SM has said 7.3 Hz vibration in one of his devices.
SM has also mentioned 6000Hz component, in the pulsed DC output.
174.9KHz is the frequency of magnetism.
It can be seen in the video that the output is very high frequency judging by the ?fire? effect of generated sparks when output wires from the TPU are shorted.
He has also said the frequency is related to the circumference. To get a wavelength within the length of wire in one of the coils would mean frequencies in the gigahertz range ? Or perhaps this is a way of saying standing waves are required ? Or perhaps this is a cryptic way of saying that resonant circuits must be used as the diameter of a coil affects the impedance of a coil which in turn affects the resonant frequency. Parallel resonance is an effective open circuit on the power source (infinite resistance). Serial resonance is an effective short on the power source (no resistance). I?ve been thinking whether these two effects can somehow be combined to good use. Parallel resonance for the input coils as it would use very little current to drive the circuit and serial resonance for the output coils in order to have very little resistance.
Permanent Magnet
My latest thinking on this is, if the earths weak field causes a small kick, then the much larger field of a permanent magnet must enhance the kick effect. But I?m buggered if I can measure any kick effect, permanent magnet or not.
Batteries
To me, this is a no brainer. Batteries are used to get things going. Once we understand what is happening we can close the loop of output back into input power.
Electrostatic and high voltage
Patrick Flanagen has a 1988 patent for an Electron Field Generator. It requires high voltage (5000v) AC pulses applied to two fully insulated plates. Plates are cast in epoxy resin. Diagram on patent is self explanatory. The end result is a cascade of electrons (in the environment). Perhaps there is an element of this effect as insulated coils could be thought of as stretched out plates.
My Step by Step No Working - Energy Building Process!
1. Generate kicks ? it doesn?t matter how much battery power at this point is used to generate kicks. You need to have some kicks. No kicks ? no TPU. I?m still stuck at trying to get some kicks.
2. Turn one kick into multiple kicks. 150khz high voltage pulses in theory generates 150,000 kicks per second. Have two coils both with 150khz, and say 151khz pulses and have these both going to a simple transformer so both inputs interact with each other and perhaps something ?strange? happens. Throw in a permanent magnet to make the kicks bigger.
3. Collect electrostatic energy from the kicks ? iron tubes cut to right length, mass and size.
4. Turn electrostatic energy on the tubes into rotating magnetic field. My only theory so far is to somehow rotate where the kicks are coming from and perhaps this generates a rotating electric field which in turn gives a rotating magnetic field.
5. Rotating magnetic field induces high current and voltage into output coil.
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Hi all,
Perhaps I need to qualify something.
At this stage this thread is for those who ARE winding coils. Information and discussion WILL come up to a pace where we can all get on the same page.BUT if you do not have the basic test equipment and aren't prepered to put lots of effort in then be honest and just watch...do not contribute unless you are hands on. I apolagise if I have offended any body ,I am just trying to give this the best chance of success.
If your ego gets bruised by this ...you need a thicker ego. I know I do sometimes.
If any body that is hands on,has the necessary skill, works with high voltage, and is prepared to spend much spare time chasing this Please let me know.
I am going to get us all to the gate at the same time and not be slowed down by those who have just arrived. This has been going for months now so For those who have just discovered this Please Take the time and read everything.I imagine it will take several nights to read and several weeks to absorb.
As stated, very early on this will never be monkey see monkey do ...mabey nothing will be achieved except the journey I dont know..what I do know is that we cannot keep slowing down to the pace of those who come in late.
Plenty of people who are well trained an have passed many memory tests have in thier mind, very good reasons to say that this is impossible. For you people please just leave us dreamers alone and do a crossword. Success is just a matter of time and some hard work for the rest of us ,and the more productive we can spend that time the better.Its still free to watch The last thing that we should have here is a closed shop...If it comes to that this whole thing will be a failure of sorts.
Please pm me with your experience and equipment..lets get going.
Lindsay Mannix
Mannix, I totally disagree.
I think it is only your perception that things are slowed down by other people posting and 'coming in late'. People are mostly slowed down by work and family commitments. People don't have a straight run of time. I get 3-4 days spare if I finish a project early.
I would appreciate more of your involvement in the ongoing discussions and theories raised.
What do you think causes the rotating magnetic field ?
How are you getting the kicks ?
What mechanism are you using to get multiple kicks ?
How are you collecting the kick energy ?
What mechanism are you using or thinking of using in order to convert the static energy into a rotating magnetic field ?
What parameters have you determined for efficiently collecting kick energy ?
I know you've posted the 'all the kings men' story but honestly why introduce another layer of interpretation. Why not actually tell us exactly what you believe, why you believe this, what experiments you've done to confirm your theory, and whether SM has confirmed your beliefs.
Why not start another thread with the opening message, This thread is for contributors who are building coils please post on the other thread if you are not building coils ? Perhaps on this new thread you could post any other information from Steven Mark that you have not yet put onto the board. Why you hold back information I have no idea. That last personal message was crucial. Could have saved me a bucket load of time if I had it earlier.
I for one would like to know:
How long had you been holding onto the last particularly valuable information from Steven Mark ?
Do you have any other information from Steven Mark that you are not posting at this moment ?
Why drip feed the information ? Let's get all the information on the board.
I have a 35MHz oscilloscope, 3Mhz Function Generator, and a shed full of old parts. I'm familiar with high voltage, rf precautions. I never wear a watch or jewellery when in my experiments shed. I'm thinking of obtaining a spectrum analyser (I know a two way satellite guy who may have one going).
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If anyone is interested in a nice, inexpensive usb oscope/freq.generator for the pc check this out.
It comes in a kit, but he'll assemble it for you at additional cost.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140001937188
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140001937188)
I'm buying one today if he answers my email favorably, about where to connect the probes.
Note to stefan: don't turn my posting into your ads please. Many people can't even follow those links as ad houses are blocked by their computers. You can do it all you wan't to your own ebay ads, but I was trying to show someone something and ask for advice, and I don't appreciate that. That's just going a bit to far hijacking other people's posts for no other reason than to make money, and make them look like ad hound jerks.
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hi group,
I have uploaded the video to megaupload as Tao sugested.
here is the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GBI9ZVHU
;DMike
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do I have to sign up for that site in order to download it? I just get ads
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do I have to sign up for that site in order to download it? I just get ads
Look at the top right-hand side of the web page, you should see a button and counts down from 60 seconds and then says "Click here to download".
It's there, just hard to see if you don't know where to look.
ALSO, make sure you have java script enabled...............
GOT IT! thanks...
That'll teach me to pay a litte more attention. :)
Ha! At any rate take a look at that ebay item I posted about, tell me if it looks ok to you. I assume it's using a MAX chip. But he doesn't specify. I figured I'd put it in an altoids case.
I guess I'll find out for myself, but does the video confirm in any way our suspicions about how it's wound? Your 3d diagrams are nice by the way, that's exactly how I envisioned them.
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hi group,
I have uploaded the video to megaupload as Tao sugested.
here is the link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GBI9ZVHU
;DMike
Well,
I just watched it again in single step with media player classic again
and at 38:30 min Steven lifts the open core TPU device and you can
easily see, that it just has 2 big about 10 windings coils on the
lower core parts only...
Does somebody recognize what kind of core ring this it at all ?
Is this some kind of commercial available ferrite core ?
That would really help, if we could locate such a core...
Then the first experiments would be much easier...
Maybe it is a core from an old TV tube magnetic deflection unit which
normally sits on the neck of a TV tube ?
I guess as this is the easiest device, he might just have
only got 2 or 4 iron wire LC circuits in the right
setup and phase angle setup and with the magnets he
is just putting a remanz level magnetisation onto the iron wire
coils, so they don?t pulse with AC but with chopped DC..
The capacitors are a little hard to see in this segment...
This open device looks so simple build it must be probably
only a few LC circuits, maybe a small circuit driver in one
of the footer stands of it for generating a few pulses into the
coils , if at all ?
In some segments he says, it is just a clever combination
of coils and phase angle setup, so he might evenm
have no circuit over there in it, but just uses the magnets
to induce small inductions which will go into sustained
oscillation and the oscillation will rise and rise,
until his 91 Volts chopped Dc or so is reached...
2. When they disassembled through sawing the bigger unit,
it looks like the core is really made out of wood or kork and
just a coil is wound toroidal around it. Not wound around the
center axis, but wound toroidal like a toroidal transformer.
This can also be seen, as he saws the thing through, he only has to cut
ONE or TWO wires with his "cutter knife-clamp".
If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !
So this verifies, that the coils are wound toroidal around this wood core.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Tao,
could you please post a few screenshots of your Bryce5 model ?
I am not at home, so I can?t look at Bryce models, maybe just a few JPEGs
would be great.
2. I guess the kicks could only come from the Barkhausen noise inside
the bailing ( iron) wire and it really needs this wire, in copper wire we don?t have
Barkhausen kicks.
Why it is around 5 to 6 Khz and not around 180 Khz is puzzling to me...
Maybe his LC resonance frequency is just around 5 to 6 Khz and
this is a beat frequency or a lower octave frequency of the Barkhausen
noise kicks at 180 khz ?
The open core TPU unit looks so easy to build, probably just about 4
coils and a few caps and the core, that is all...
He also said, it depends mainly on the setup of the coils
and phase relationship, so the feedback loop is very important
from the intial magnet induction and magnetisation of the iron
wire coils...
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SM told something about mumber of waves / frequencies around the device?
I am not reading all the discussion,but i have some information related to this on my web-site
http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/
Esa
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Here it was..
"He has also said the frequency is related to the circumference. To get a wavelength within the length of wire in one of the coils would mean frequencies in the gigahertz range ? Or perhaps this is a way of saying standing waves are required ? Or perhaps this is a cryptic way of saying that resonant circuits must be used as the diameter of a coil affects the impedance of a coil which in turn affects the resonant frequency. Parallel resonance is an effective open circuit on the power source (infinite resistance). Serial resonance is an effective short on the power source (no resistance). I?ve been thinking whether these two effects can somehow be combined to good use. Parallel resonance for the input coils as it would use very little current to drive the circuit and serial resonance for the output coils in order to have very little resistance."
I have an Excel table, free to download from my web-site,select sheet MEC bifilar coil and you can get needed circumference dimensions and frequencies to have nested cylindrical field formation around the device.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/
Esa
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If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !
They make metal cutting blades for those things.
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If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !
They make metal cutting blades for those things.
Esa, nice info on your site. I'll be reading through it soon.
@tao where did you find that barkhausen effect stuff?
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An interesting article, generation of electromagnetic fields but not directly from current.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/cfa/
From this beginning Hately and Kabbary report they were able to produce direct synthesis of the electromagnetic field using two large capacitor plates and two large cylinders of short length. The capacitor plates, called "D plates" for the term "D" in the Poynting theorem, were positioned parallel to one another to form a capacitor. The cylinders, called "E plates" were positioned one above and one below the D plates. When the cylinders were driven by a radio frequency power source, they produced high?frequency E?fields, thus the designation "E plates".
Crossing effect
To synthesize the electromagnetic wave, radio frequency power is fed through a power divider / phasing network to the D and E plates. The resulting electric and magnetic fields are cross?stressed in phase to synthesize the Poynting vector and produce radiated power within the small area surrounding the antenna. This effect is what gives the Crossed?Field Antenna (CFA) its name.
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If there are nested cylindrical EM field created around SM device,this can be a way to collect / compress zero point energy.ZPE is a carrier medium for all EM fields,and if it`s density is changed rapidly around the collector coil,it can lead to coil induction to create electricity.
To get correct values by my Excel table ( bifilar coil sheet ) with this SM device ,we must also add the lenght of the wire to the table for wave number calculations around devices circumference.We must also know permittivity value for the wire that was used used.
You can download this table from my web-site,
Password for the table edit is PADI1234
http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/
Esa
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In addition, the article also states this as a characteristic of the Barkhausen pulses:
Any Barkhausen effect transitions will induce weak pulses in the coil wound onto the core material, L1. These pulses are in the low microvolt range, and have a sharp spike profile.
SMALL KICKS, anyone?? It appears we have found the SOURCE of the SMALL KICKS, which when combined through the many COILS' INERACTIONS can generate LARGER KICKS. Interesting isn't it?
Right or wrong, this is cool stuff, and not to be disregarded, without some introspection, as it fits PERFECTLY WITH WHAT STEVEN HAS SAID THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No one even address the post below please!, lets stay on track..........
My reading of this is that the core magnetic material is selected so that very small changes in magnetic field translate to larger changes in voltage than would normally be expected, but it's still in the microvolt range. An oscilloscope set to the microvolt range will display thousands of spikes when connected across any passive coil due to lights being clicked on and off, light dimmers, lawn mowers, cars, lightening, etc. etc. If you're wanting microvolt spikes you've got thousands of them right now. Not to mention reradiation from the main wiring in the house. I've also noticed the electronic dimmers which use wave chopping dumps loads of crap onto the mains wiring. My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!
I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.
I haven't been successful in generating 'collectable' kick energy, even with a car battery. I've gone back to finding out first principles on the three things we know about the wire: The wire is copper wire, iron wire/baling wire. And this research has been revealing - putting a post together now.
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My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!
Very nice bob! Your coil is receiving energy. I would go back and read the amasci.com links on Bill Beaty's site.
If you can generate power from that, you just need to tune it to a different frequency!
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As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...
which lead to this:
"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.
Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.
But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".
Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.
On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm
That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.
This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf
Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm
Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.
In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.
Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
OR
Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?
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I think you may be right about the iron wire. This device has been about using the the supposed negative factors of electronics to the benefit of the device. In the case of iron we're using it's higher resistance to cause a slower relaxation time.
I think this may be the key to controlling the overheating problem too. Even though we arent even close to this point yet. Fine tuning this material might be beneficial, finding the perfect relaxation time by trying different conductive wires would create a balance between the number of kicks generated, and how much heat the device puts off. I'm heading out the door right now, so this might not make sense.
At any rate, steel wire, siSteel wire, etc etc. might be beneficial to the device once we get to the point of making it work.
I still can't figure out if he ever insulated the bailiing wire before putting it in the device or not. I assume he did, but there's a lot of unconventional stuff about the tpu.
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I think that Steven is not using one of the iron wires as a conductor.
Could you explain your thinking/reasoning on this a bit more ?
Are you saying he is using it as a conductor but is also using it as say a collector tube.
Or
Are you saying he is not using it as a conductor at all ?
Cheers
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I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.
Your right, I have been trying to figure this all out based on the whole magnet thing. :P
The whole fact that taking a magnet off stops the device from working.
Perhaps part of his kick generation circuitry relies on a small iron core transformer which needs to be semi saturated. A saturated core will generate plenty of higher frequency harmonics. By only being semi saturated, the saturation will only occur during high voltage peaks, thus clustering the harmonics ? If you somehow wrap the input to the output perhaps the effect is higher and higher harmonics. Perhaps even having harmonics in the gigahertz territory, which would then make sense of his comment that the circumference is linked to the frequency, as the wavelength of a gigahertz wave is a few inches as opposed to hundreds of feet.
Take the magnets off and the core doesn't saturate as much and the harmonics die down.
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As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...
which lead to this:
"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.
Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.
But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".
Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.
On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm
That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.
This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf
Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm
Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.
In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.
Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
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Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?
Bob, didn't you see my post a while back on this??
Seems you missed it entirely!!!
LOL :)
I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.
Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.
Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?
Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.
Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......
*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....
Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.
What I meant to portray was the electron gas relaxtion time difference from copper as opposed to steel.
In steel the electron gas relaxation time is longer, and hence, when electricity is first applied to the wire, it takes longer for the electrons to START to propagate down the wire, as opposed to copper.
This would mean, any material that has a longer electron gas relaxation time will be better to use as the KICK GENERATING WIRE.
http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/nikolova/EM_downloads/LectureNotes/Lecture13.pdf
Consider an isolated conductor whose initial total charge is
zero. If it comes into a contact with charged source, it will
accumulate charge. The Coulombic forces due to the excess
charge in the conductor?s volume will push the highly mobile
charged particles away from each other until they reach the
conductor?s surface. They will accumulate there because they
cannot leave the surface. In a perfect conductor (which is an
idealized case), this process happens immediately. In real
good conductors, it takes some finite time, typically 10^-19 s.
This process is called charge relaxation, and the time
required for its completion is called relaxation time. We will
now give a more rigorous definition of the relaxation time.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
when a Source ( a dipole ) is connected to a resistive load, the most important part of the principle is the information transfered to the load at the speed of light by the S-Flow. The S-Flow is pure EM energy which flows through the space and outside the conductor. This energy is Free and only this part must be used as a "free lunch". Just after this very short time, after that the switch is closed ( the transient phase ), the current begins to flow in the circuit. This transient phase is named the Relaxation Time. In copper, the relaxation time is incredibly rapid, it's about 1.5 x 10-19 sec. When the current flows ( the permanent phase ), the circuit consumes power from the Source and dissipates energy by Joule's Effet, this phase must not be used in our case.
I ONLY refereneced that source to EXPLAIN what I meant about the difference in using copper as opposed to steel for our KICK generation wire, don't get lost in what the articles say.
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Tao, you are so right!
I do remember reading your posts and the articles but the significance at the time went right over my head.
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Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !
The interesting part will be, what happens, if you
put a current through iron wire, that is alreday magnetized
by a permanent magnet almost at the point, where it
toggles the Barkhausen spikes back and forth.
Normally you do this with a iron core with a copper
coil wound around it to see the Barkhausen jumps...
Now if the iron core is also a coil and the Barkhausen
jumps superimpose the current put through to it,
it could probably feedback to another coil and
start selfoscillate and increase the amplitude
so it will wind higher and higher..
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Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !
Who the heck are you talking to? Nobody is saying that he's not as far as I can tell, but if people want to theorize, let them. Steven simply said he used bailing wire on his FIRST PROTOTYPE. That's all. He hasn't said one way or the other whether it's a required component or not. So there's room to theorize. But if other people want to wind some coils and test other theories... .That's thier business.
In case you didn't notice that quote from liberty is from a while ago.
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Remember that conductivity and resisitivity are inverses of eachother, so: coductivity = (1 / resistivity)
So, here is the equation for calculating the relaxation times...
T = ( (8.854x10^-12) / (conductivity of said metal) ),(T is the relaxation time in seconds)
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REMEMBER that for a KICK GENERATING WIRE we want it to have the LONGEST RELAXATION TIME. So "Times slower than Copper's relaxation time" refers to how many times longer a given metal's relaxation time is then Copper.
Logically I think the following is true ?
1. It would follow that we need to get maximum voltage on the kick generating wire within the relaxation time ? If peak volts is 20,000V but we only get to 2000V before the relaxation time expires then this reduces the kick effect ?
2. If therefore follows that we need very high rise times when applying the high voltage ?
3. If we can't get high rise times we need even higher voltage to compensate ?
4. Even with iron/steel we're looking relaxation of 10 exp -17 and rise times of this small magnitude ?
5. Can semiconductors even switch on at this speed ?
6. Alternatives to semiconductor are:
6a. Physical commutator action should give an almost instant rise time ?
6b. Capacitor dumping over spark-gap gives almost instant rise time ?
6c. Electron tubes, thyratrons and the like. This would explain why Steven Mark said he had his first break through when using electron tubes.
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You are dead right bob. Some other things to consider follow.
Thermal properties and area of conductor are also factors in figuring out resisivity and conductivity.
For example the conductivity of a 25 awg iron wire at 25 degrees c is lower than at say 22 degrees.
in other words a specific diameter wire has better conductivity at lower a temperature.
Hence superconductors needing to be frozen. (I wonder what a superconductor's relaxation time is)
Likewise the conductivity of a 22awg wire at 22 degrees celcius is higher than a 25awg wire at that temperature.
in other words a thicker diameter wire has better conductivity at a given temperature.
I assume all of those measurements in the excel file were taken with a given area (length and gauge) and at a given temperature.
Also, the stainless steel wire will have a different gauging system, the steel industry uses mwg (musical wire gauge) instead of awg.
There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.
Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.
On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.
Of particular interest for this scenario in looking at these charts was stainless 330, and iron ingot. As well as the FeNi alloy.
Very low resistance, high conductivity(fast rise time), and LONG relaxation time. These would seem to be ideal for the purpose to me for this scenario. Perhaps too much so. It might get hot too fast.
But then again, the hotter it gets the lower it's conductivity, and higher it's resistance, so it might be that we can find an alloy that reaches a balance once it's warmed up.
One choice creates more inductance and less "jumping ship" and the other creates more "jumping ship" and less inductance. The question is, are they the direct inverse of the other. And which one serves our purpose better.
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There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.
Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.
My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.
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On the other hand it would seem that a fast rise time is necceary for switching and electronic components unless we go old school so you might want low resistivity, and high conductance with a long relax time. In this case you have high inductance in the adjacent coils. And less electrons jumping to the larger wire.
My thinking was that a high rise time is necessary in order to get the potential (volts) as high as possible on to the wire, before the wire actually started conducting. The relaxation time being the time between the start of applying the potential and electrons creating a current.
It would be nice to know if the transition is abrupt or whether the appearance of current in the circuit also has a rise time after the relaxation time is up. It could be the case that we have substantially longer than the relaxation time in order to get the full potential applied across the circuit.
A fast (nano second) rise time is not a prerequisite for switching and electronic components. In electronic circuits a fast rise time is nice if you are triggering off the leading edge but not essential. The rise time just has to be proportional to the rate at which you need to process the information.
However, thinking about this, the voltage rise time quoted for semiconductor switches might be a function of the initial current flow through the semiconductor (I'm not talking about the triggering voltage/current here) and that the 'potential' actually appears on the wire much faster ? Or is this total crap ?!!
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There are other factors to consider as well.
Resistance is the act of a conductor throwing off electrons due to inconsistencies in the atomic lattice. Right?
Well if the Iron wire is chosen for it's resistance and long relax time, as opposed to its conductance and long relax time. What would you have? You'd have electrons "jumping to the larger wire" wouldn't you? This would be in combination with the inductance in the adjacent coils.
Of particular interest for this scenario are Iron, due to the high resistance (electrons jumping ship)and long relax time.
My understanding is that conductance is reciprocal to resistance and that relaxation time is inversely proportional to conductance. Therefore I don't think it's possible to have high conductance and long relaxation times as higher conductance would mean shorter relaxation times.
Uhh, yep, your right. Heh. I got the E -n wrong on the chart. My bad. However you quoted the wrong scenario. You should have quoted the low resistance high conductivity scenario.
I was kind of leaning toward the first scenario anyway, as a soft iron wire with higher resistance and longer relax time would would serve a trifecta of purposes. First of all by defenition soft iron wire distorts local standing magnetic lines of flux. With the control wires being made of soft iron(baling) wire, the earths magnetic lines of flux would be pulled into the coils by the control wire, this effect would be small, but it would be there. Perhaps enough for the tuned coils to act on them better. Second, The resistance would cause the electrons to jump ship due to the microscopic imperfections in it's surface, this only happens more and more as it heats up. Thirdly the resistance would also hinder back emf, and cause those electrons to jump the wire as well, as the current stops. And of course theres the magnetic component of the electricity that would cause inductance in adjacent coils.
Steven said that it should be the other way around and hence, this statement:
So, based on those things, lets look at the Mark device. Lets say Steven put one big stout cable(collector wires) around or in the rings,and all around these he had many many windings(control wires). Now, if Steven put into those many many windings(control wires, which are around the stout cable) a current and before the current could get to the end of the wire, he stopped it's flow abruptly, then perpendicular radiations (the KICKS), the same Tesla observed, would appear and spread from these many many windings(control wires), this would cause Tesla'a copper charging effect, which would hit the stout cable(collector wires). Now, if Steven wired the coils right and stopped the discharge of the current through the coils he would be able to extract a lot of extra energy from the tap points on the coils. This is basically how Tesla's magnifying transmitter works.
Ok so are you saying the stout cable is the toroidally wound multistrand wire bundled together? and around that there are the many many control wires(soft iron wire, or the goldish colored wire in your bryce diagram), because this is pretty much how SM described it, in my understanding, Or the other way around? I'm pretty sure I understand you correctly. In fact I'm pretty sure we have the arrangement nailed.
We still have a lot to figure out though. Kicks, frequencies, control circuits. I think ZPE had a pretty good thing going with that circuit he posted, and Bill Beaty's stuff is interesting too. But it's just a sign of how far we have yet to go.
This could cost a small fortune in wire alone. :)
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Tao and all,
I want to check my understanding of what tao has just said concerning Tesla stuff.
So summarising in my own words:
The spark gap allowed the voltage to rise in the supplying capacitor. Only when it had risen to a certain level would a spark jump the spark gap. In this case the spark gap acts as a way of creating an almost instantaneous rise time of voltage in the wire to which the spark gap jumped to ? And that tesla then wanted to blow out this spark gap before the current had a chance to run to the end of the primary ? Therefore preventing current reversals and therefore leading to the effect of kicks, radiant energy etc.
Votes please for Steven Mark TPU:
Iron wire should be:
1. Insulated ?
2. No insulation ?
Iron wire coil (not collector) should be:
A. Closely wound turns that don't quite touch.
B. Very closely wound turns because using insulation.
C. Widely spaced turns.
Length of wire used in the coil should be:
X. Doesn't matter.
Y. As short as possible.
Z. As long as possible.
My vote is for 1 and B and Z which would allow for the most compact coil OR if no insulation is a requirement for transfer of the kick energy then I vote for 2 and C and Z.
I'm assumimg 'Z' in both cases based on Tao's observations on Bedini's devices.
If the iron wire is magnetically saturated does anyone know if this increases the relaxation time ?
Can a magnetic field be directed down the end of a iron wire (as per liberty wave guide idea) ? e.g. If I place North of a permanent magnet against the end of an iron wire does this propagate a north field all the way down the wire, even if the wire is coiled ? I guess I'm going to have to try this one out. A coil of magnetic field, an interesting concept. I wonder how this would interact with a high potential applied to the same coil.
What if we used fine iron filings in a tube, as part of the kick circuit ? This would have an increase in resistance but would it be useful ?
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Just had another idea on switching potential to a wire.
Take a long length of insulated iron wire. Have two high speed mosfets (SCRs) attached to each end of the iron wire. At the same time as switching one mosfet on you switch the other mosfet so as to disconnect the ground.
You are therefore utilising the small intrinsic differences in switch times to get a very,very small pulse width which would be much, much faster than trying to turn one mosfet on and off with the other end of the iron wire tied to ground.
I don't know whether mosfets will take this sort of abuse though.
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There is also mumetal wires available.Mumetal consists of 80% Ni and 20% Fe,usually available as uninsulated.
Interesting property with mumetal is it`s very high permeability, up to 325.000
http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html
Esa
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This is a slight variation on the previous theme.
Same long pice of iron wire, again with mosfets (scr) one on each end. This time both mosfets are normally tied to ground. You use the same signal to turn both mosfets (scrs) on at the same time feeding the high voltage to both sides of the iron wire at the same time. The slight difference in turn on time, and the difference in turn on time could be in the order of few pico seconds, would mean one end goes to high volts potential slightly before the other.
The nice thing about this is that you don't have to know which mosfet switches faster, as long as there is a small difference, it should work. This setup also has the nice feature that you get a pico second pulse as you switch both mosfets on AND when you switch both mosfets off.
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I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.
WATCH THE CLIP!!!
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Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.
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I have made some corrections to my excel table.If you use a wire that has a very high permittivity, say with mumetal wire permittivity is max 350.000 ,this means that if you have a frequency of 6 kHz, the wavelenght in a medium is 8,44 cm , and if the coil circumference is 8,07 cm, there are 3.0 waves around the circumference,if the wire lenght is 1000 cm.
I will send a new version of my Excel table ( bifilar coil ) today to my web-site.
http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/
Esa
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I found this Peter Lindemann video on video.google.com and cut out this VERY IMPORTANT clip which explains everything needed to generate the KICKS. Just like my last post says about Tesla, Gray, and Bedini.
WATCH THE CLIP!!!
:)
Excellent!! It definately is a MUST WATCH.
Where do we get that book! It's gone from amazon, not available. :(
Ken Adachi is selling them at educate-yourself.org, but the page is old, who knows if he still has them.
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Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap.
That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...
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Pay close attention to the details of the experiments Tesla did with the spark-gap.
That's why I suggested (a few pages back) that bob.d try to disrupt the discharge on his ignition coil / spark plug set-up and place a coil over it and see if he sees the same effect Tesla saw...
Well, if the caps discharge instantaneously over a sparkgap on a large enough piece of wire that would explain why the charge jumps the wire, because it wouldn't have enough time to get to the end of the wire. However I'm unclear as to how to force a cap to do that. Do you simply charge the cap to a high enough potential to be able to jump the gap, At which point it dumps enough of it's energy to create a bunching effect in the control wire, which then dumps the bunched electrons at right angles into the coils?
By the way can anyone make out the number of the second patent in that video? The first one is US4595975, which I have attached.
Also attached is the circuit in the first of the two gray patents discussed in the video.
I have not attached the second picture in the patent as I don't think that SM's device uses a conversion element like gray's. I think the arrangement of the coils does that. I think that both devices perform similarly, however one is defenitely putting out conventional electricity, whereas the other is obviously not(gray's), as noted by the fact that you can place your hand in water with a powered device without being shocked with gray's device, and SM clearly states that you could have your heart stopped with his.
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The way Gray did it was to use an electron tube, which is connected to the plus side of a 12/6 V battery, on one side of the spark gap, and the PLUS SIDE of a capacitor on the other side of the spark gap. Then Gray would turn on the electron tube for about 10-50 microseconds and sharply turn it off. Since the electron tube acts like really good diode, BEFORE he pulses the electron tube on and off, it is acting like a diode so the high voltage on the capacitor is seeing NOTHING on the other side of the spark gap. Then when Gray pulses the electron tube the high voltage capacitor, usually at 3000V, sees 12V or 6V(depending on the battery he used) on the other side of the spark gap and then it JUMPS to the other side, right about this time(10-50 microseconds) Gray turns OFF the electron tube and now it is a really good DIODE again, thereby stoping the current in its tracks. Since Gray discharged the 3000V to a POSITIVE VOLTAGE, he there by was creating ELECTROPOSITIVE RADIANT ENERGY, COLD ELECTRICITY. This is why Gray called his process 'splitting the positive'. And Gray would NEVER show anyone his electron tube pulsing circuit, OR his conversion tube!
This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.
By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)
I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:
+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.
However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:
+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)
I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?
Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?
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And SM's device is an Electro-Negative radiant device? Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Ed's device is a more evolved version of the SM device. They both seem to work on producing energy in a similar way, albeit by different means, similar principles apply. EVG used electromagnets, whereas SM uses the earths magnetic field. The conversion element in Grey's device is what is used to convert from EM-Neg to EM-Pos, splitting the positive, and thereby overcoming the heating, runaway, and danger problems with SM's device. It seems a marriage of these two technologies would be the ultimate free energy device.
My question is do you think that the control circuitry in the patent, and as described by Peter, are applicable to the SM device?
Here are z_p_e's circuits for comparison.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6531378517026122577&q=free+energy
This was a great video.
Much appreciated.
Camster
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also see:
Tesla transverse and longitudinal electric waves
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&q=tesla
Tesla longitudinal electricity
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6461713170757457294&q=tesla
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This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.
By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)
I don't know the answer to this for sure, but that is perhaps why Gray used a block of carbon ;).
I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:
+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.
However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:
+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)
I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?
Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?
Look at the image I made below, Tesla's system and Gray's systems are the same.
I just got off the phone with Peter Lindemann. He's doing a talk at the upcoming Tesla Tech in SLC Utah at the end of this month.
He's a very, VERY informative guy.
For research materials he suggested.
The Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nikola Tesla, which contains Lectures and research by Nikola Tesla. It can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EAC7NE/sr=8-2/qid=1151789980/ref=sr_1_2/104-3292845-9583160?ie=UTF8
His book, of course, and The Secrets of Cold War Technology, which can be found on his site.
The Border Lands archives, related to Eric Dollard.
A paper called "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomenon" By Tesla, which is a chapter in the first book I mentioned, but here is a link to a pdf of the article.
http://ban.junis.ni.ac.yu/Bibl/tesla/tesla_Predavanja/1893_Light_and_Other_HF_Phenomena(Lecture).pdf
What he explained to me, is that splitting the positive is breaking voltage free from current.
There is an inverse of what happens in a capacitor when it is discharge into a zero impedence wire, and it creates huge amounts of current.
Basically the concept is that when the current in a high impedence inductor collapses, and hence the magnetic field collapses abruptly, the voltage rises to compensate and create current in the wire because it absolutely HAS to have a path.
Eric Dollard in working with Tesla's principles, discovered that a field effect produced by 1 Ampere CAN be produced by VOLTAGE ALONE!
It takes aproximately 100,000 volts of potential to create the field equivalent to what is produced by 1 amp. This is how over balanced our understanding of electro-magnetism is toward magnetism. And to have 1 volt truly have an equivalence. We'd have to readjust our measurement system entirely. 1 volt should be equal to what is actually considered to be 100,000 volts by todays measurements.
With electricity as it is commonly thought of, as having a component of voltage, and current, voltage is the free part of the equation. Current is actually the breaks in the system. That every conventional electro magnetic motor we have is running with the brakes on so to speak.
Separating the current from the voltage(splitting the positive) is what Telsa did and it is what EV Gray did. Grey did not invent his device. Yes Tao you are correct, HE COPIED IT!, and yes he got his ideas from his buddy at NASA, Tesla's assistant. According to Peter, the reason EG was so closed mouth about his device, is that if anyone more competent than Grey worked on it, he would be swept aside (such was his fear), he even fired his son EV Gray Jr., whom Peter spoke to, who did engineering drawings for him, for asking too many questions about his device.
What Nali2001 posted about logitudinal waves is dead on. That's the key.... At least to Grey's Devices, and perhaps to SM's as well. Perhaps it didn't work from the magnetic field lines of the earth after all.
Also check this out for TEM/LMD stuff. J.L.N did some experiements on this effect.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm
Also, he says that the effect that grey produced HAS BEEN REPRODUCED.. There have however been problems with the circuits exploding however. Not many people today have much knowlege about electron tubes, and so have tried without success to replace that with a thyristor or SCR, instead of the thyratron(the component #28 you point to above) which is supposed to be there. At least that is my understanding (He talks very fast). But here my friends is the source of the KICKS!!!! The real source. And the science behind them.
I'm half thinking of working on EG's circuit instead simply because there is so much more info on it.
Also Peter told me that the little note at the beginning of his video proved a bit over optimistic. That not any competent EE can produce the Grey device by taking close notes of his video and book. MUCH study is needed.
He also said that it would be OK to call him ANY TIME, regarding clarification, and help on any reproduction attempts. He's an AWESOME guy! very personable, and a treasure trove of knowlege. My head is bursting. I'm sure I only got down a small fraction of what he told me.
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It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.
It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.
The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz). I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.
I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'. The same energy that Dr. Moray found. I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source.
I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did. The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.
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You truely can't just take Gray's schematic from Peter and just build it, there is much PRIOR knowledge you must possess to know how to HANDLE the radiant.
As the video points out item 36 in the gray diagram is not just the 'load'.
Gray demonstrated light bulbs glowing in water using the 'cold' electricity', this implies the conversion tube that captures radiant electricity does not 'convert' or 'generate' electrons.
Gray does something in item 36 to convert back to electrons. What is this process ?
Is it just a capacitor ?
Now to what SM is doing:
If the Ether is all around us as an oscillating medium then if you can pulse the ether at right angles to the natural oscillation of the ether then this in theory would create a vortex. If the Ether pulses up-down (i.e. along the line of gravity) then you would need to pulse the Ether left-right. Once you have a vortex of Ether, I imagine all sorts of electromagnetic effects could be captured. This would be the turbine effect. In fact if the either just flowed in one direction ( in the direction of gravity) then a left right oscillation would still create a swirling/turbine effect.
The permanent magnet field must come about because of some interaction with the Ether. The permanent magnet is there to enhance certain effects with the Ether. Perhaps it creates a distortion or stabilises the flow of Ether, or compresses the Ether. Either way the magnet is essential to distorted/concentrate the Ether in a way that the device can then use. Remove the magnet and the Ether is no longer distorted and the voltage starts to drop. Obviously the distortion to the Ether is not understood. So there are times where the natural flow of the Ether is correct for operation of the device WITHOUT THE MAGNET. The device SM cut up wouldn't turn off/on even when he removed the magnet, which is why he cut it up!.
A 'kick' obviously interacts with the Ether. If you generate kicks in two devices on opposite sides of the toroids and apply kicks left-right in an oscillating fashion, you will get a swirling. This is what SM meant when he said consider what happens when you have two spherical field than move in two directions.
If you look at SM first devices where the sides of the toroid are open you can clearly see that it is not toroidally wound coils around the whole device. You can however see what look like 4 coils. On two of these coils he places the magnets. These will be the kick coils operating in left-right oscillations and the other two coils will be pick up coils that pick up the magnetic field generated by swirling Ether.
From this design, you analyse what frequencies of left-right generate the most swirling. Now you can generate a more efficient design because instead of left-right you can pulse in a circle as long as it still uphold the same left-right frequency. And instead of two coils picking up only a small part of the rotating magnetic field, you have a complete toroid picking up the magnetic field. Instead of having two kick coils as you now know the frequency you can utilise beat frequencies from two interacting coils, combined with the correct size of coil, to create 'kicks' going in a circle.
The final design is a very clever hybrid where he utilises exactly the correct frequencies so that he can constructively interfere the frequencies in a transformer to create shorter pulses with higher and higher rise times and fall times and also higher amplitude. The coils are fed with these rectified pulses, in exactly the right place to create the rotation at the correct frequency. IT ALSO TOTALLY HIDES THE METHOD OF OPERATING FROM ELECTRIC CIRCUIT CHARACTERISTICS TO PRECISE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS.
But here is the great part. SM is not COLLECTING the radiant energy to feed into an external circuit as per gray but is only feeding back the collected pulses to a capacitor to provide power for his pulsing unit.
He only requires DC pulses of short enough duration, fast rise, fast fall time, and sufficiently high voltage so that the wire the pulse is applied to generates a large enough effect to pulse the Ether BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO GENERATE RADIANT ENERGY, just large enough to pulse the Ether. Iron wire, because of relaxation time, enhances the effect.
The key is not to generate radiant energy from the very first pulse. Just big enough to get the swirling going. Once the swirling is going, you can intercept a magnetic field, get traditional current and feed some of this current back to the battery of the pulse generating circuit. I wouldn't mind betting that the swirling enhances the kick effect which eventually gets large enough to capture radiant electricity and it is this that is fed back into the LC resonant circuit via the small toroidal transformers that we can see in each design.
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The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.
No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.
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Going back to the discussion about wire relaxation time and all that... and I've said this before :) - It's not got anything to do with stopping the voltage/current/power from getting "all the way down the wire"... I'm pretty sure it was the fairy tale that mannix posted that started that line of reasoning... HOWEVER... (with all due respect) Mannix does not know how the device works. Whatever his theories are... and they might be close to right... but they are still just a guess.
Even so - you shouldn't take a parable so literally. Especially from a friend of a friend.
Tesla's radiant energy is based on "disruptive discharge" and was based on disrupting the discharge of a spark across a gap. He was extinguishing the spark. The whole center was the spark.
So what are we looking at when a spark fires? A dielectric breakdown caused by an electric field... and THAT translates into TIME. I bet those numbers look better than relaxation times on wire. :)
Any guesses on what exactly gets isolated when a spark is not allowed to make it to 100 microseconds?
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This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.
Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly.
Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.
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The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.
No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.
Is the high frequency usually PURE WHITE? I haven't seen such, so excuse my statement if such is the case. Just from what I have seen, Tesla and Eric Dollard describe the output from the Tesla coils as pure white streamers that have flame like appearances, quite unlike normal high frequency outputs.
Just as a case in point, all those Tesla coils that output the purpleish streamers are NOT TRUE TESLA TRANSMITTERS.
I've used high frequency DC arc welders. They produce EXACTLY the flame of pure white colour if you try to weld too thin a piece of metal. In fact the edges of the flame will turn slightly different colours, depending on the metal vaporised, as the vaporised metal changes state. You can just see the colours when viewing the flame at the end of the energycoil.mpg movie, but the camara is having a hard time dealing with the high brightness of the flame.
It was this movie that convinced me that this TPU device was for real.
That sort of energy should need a BIG power unit!!!
It's fairly frightening really I've had a shock from an arc welder that was current limited.
One second you're in the booth and it appears to you that the next second you are outside of the booth 1 meter away...saying what the hell (actually you say a lot worse than that). The burn lasted weeks.
The guy in the movie doing the demonstration 'flame' is a total nutter (in the nicest possible way) for
a. Not wearing gloves.
b. For holding both contact in his hand. One arc and it's a jolt straight across the chest.
As a warning to all in general.
For those that aren't aware, contrary to hollywood, when you receive an ongoing shock all your muscles tighten stiff. You are not actually flung back. What happens, is you loose awareness (not necessarily consciousness), if you are lucky enough that the tightening of the muscles disconnects you from the source of shock, you stumble backwards, as a standing tightened muscular frame has a balance point that tips you backwards, your body if it can regain control of the muscles will try to keep balance, at some point, your awareness returns. From your own point of view it is an instant of time between the start of the shock and picking yourself off the floor a couple of meters back. Your mind infers that you were blasted backwards at high speed.
If you have a penchant for touching bare wires, a neon test screwdriver is handy as it'll glow to almost any kind of reasonable high potential (100+V) with even a small current behind it, be it AC/DC or high frequency. Second having confirmed that the wire is not live, never first touch with your fingers, use the back of your hand. By using the back of the hand, if there is current on it, that will shock, your fingers will tighten over just air, and almost certainly disconnect you from the shock. Unpleasant but liveable. If you use your fingers, your fingers will involuntarily grasp the cable tighter and you will almost certainly die as there will be no Residual Current Device to break the current.
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This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.
Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly.
Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.
Thank you very much Penguin Hood. That would be most appreciated.
Your experience with designing circuits/electronics experience will be very useful.
I might have a couple of other circuit outlines to run past you in the next few weeks.
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It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.
It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.
The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz). I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.
I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'. The same energy that Dr. Moray found. I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source.
I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did. The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.
To elaborate on a hypothesis:
"It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power."
A spark when discharged emits frequencies. Many frequencies across the entire spectrum band, but for an instant. (Like how you hear static discharge on the AM radio at any frequency). This frequency discharge must interact with the special frequency that taps into this radiant energy. (My guess is in the Ultra Violet range of frequency, where I believe that magnetism resides). The 'radiant energy' piggy backs or is modulated onto the energy of the original spark (similar to how audio on an AM radio carrier travels) and can be split off of the original spark energy and stored or used. Just a guess, but this is my guess as to how this energy is made available to use or store in a tesla or Ed Gray style device.
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Additionally, I will go on to say that the aerial generator and the SM device, appear to use the frequency of a local magnet (through the use of iron, or steel wire) to mingle with the magnetic field of the earth. (After conversion of the earth's magnetic field in iron wire, while mixing with that of the local masking magnetic field, resulting in a 5-6khz AC output?). It appears that the iron/steel wire may have a similar capablity to that of fiber optics. But it has more to it. The fiber optics carries the laser light. The iron wire may carry the magnetic field and frequency.
If two such wires were placed near each other, one being attached to the local magnet (from N to S pole) and the other iron wire attached at one end of the local magnet and then fed into a toroid with copper windings, cut to frequency of about 5-6khz. Perhaps this is the essence of the SM device?
Just something to think about.
Liberty
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The previously attached drawing of a possible TPU configuration has expired. This was an Independence Day special attraction only! This circuit is for educational purposes only. :)
Disclaimer: Warning! The circuit may be capable of producing hazardous voltages or other safety issues. Do not build or use the circuit as it is intended for educational purposes only. If you choose to build or use the circuit or any part thereof, it is completely at your own risk. The 'possibletpuconfiguration' circuit may or may not work.
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Yes,it seems that there is a similance between
the Molina-Martinez device and the Meyer-Mace concept,
one is open and the other closed !
But this is a part of the MEG-study,Pasichinikyj included !
There is the choice to use e-magnets and or pm-magnets,
to introduce pulsed DC or AC.
S
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Tesla's radiant energy is based on "disruptive discharge" and was based on disrupting the discharge of a spark across a gap. He was extinguishing the spark. The whole center was the spark.
Tesla used a spark gap because he didn't have nothing better to switch high voltages!
Not correct. There are a number of tesla patents that deal with achieving faster and faster switch rates e.g. opposite rotating contact wheels.
The main advantage of using a spark is the extremely FAST RISE-TIME of applying the voltage to the line.
One of THE essential requirement of achieving the desired radiant energy.
The second being that shorter and shorter impulse duration created different effects.
Hence the need to use different techniques to blow out the spark. Both magnets and hot air were used by Tesla.
He wrote about exploding or vaporizing wires when he discharged his capacitors into
thin pieces of wire. At the same time he noted a "tingling" effect resulting from the
experiment. He described that as tiny particles going out of the wires at right angles.
All the talk about stopping the spark was just to get shorter sparks.
Tesla wanted a higher repetition rate for the power discharge to study the effect.
So he needed to stop the spark quickly just to generate a new one. Nothing magic here!
NO. It is not just about generating new sparks.It is
a. Creating very fast rise time of applied voltage to the wire.
b. Creating very fast fall time as the voltage is removed from the wire.
c. Creating very short impulse times.
d. Ensuing no backrush of energy. (In modern terms - the reverse voltage breakdown level of the rectifier/diode was extremely high.)
e. Repetition of the impulses at regular intervals.
The 'magic' is that tesla realised a simple spark would meet ALL of these requirements.
Something that is still hard to beat with modern semiconductors.
He used thicker wire and higher power levels. The wire didn't explode anymore, but
that tingling sensation remained as Tesla previewed. And he noted about lamps turning
on when conected to the short piece of metal at the other side of the spark gap!
What you fail to mention is that from the spark gap to the primary was a large copper bus bar.
The lamp was connected across this copper bus bar, with the bus bar shorting the lamp.
The lamp still however lit.
On his Tesla coils he used just two turns of thick wire for the primary.
He wanted to KICK the wire to the very limit of explosion, but without exploding the wire!
That is the way he got his radiant energy generation! That energy was collected at the
secondary of his coils and amplified by resonance (standing waves).
So, have you ever seen a magnetizer in operation?
Remember those Mannix battery jumper cables?
They produce the same effect, high power suddenly running into the wires without exploding
them. The same happens in the tube filament Steven told us. Too much power and it burns.
I guess the magic is exactly this high power discharge (KICKS) into pieces of wire.
Edwin Gray collected that same energy released in the process.
What kind of energy is that?
See inline comments in above quote
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Ed Grays Power Conversion Tube
According to Bedini, Ed Gray used copper mesh grids to collect radiant energy from the spark gap.
Have a look here:
http://www.keelynet.com/evgray/powrtube.htm
Mike
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Important Experimental Results
A 1000V capacitor (CapA) is discharge across an **iron wire**. Making the connection causes sparks so I guess this counts as a spark gap.
I tried winding many collector air coils made of copper with different diameters. Only one end of the collector coil is connected to the +ve of a DIFFERENT 1000V capacitor (CapB) previously charged to 500V via a 500V charging circuit rigged from a camara flash unit.
With this set up:
1. I mesaured the voltage on CapB.
2. I would charge CapA and discharge across the iron wire.
3. I would repeat step 2, 10-20 times.
4. I then remeasure the voltage on CapB again.
This process was repeated for different diameters/ lengths of collector coil.
The collector coil being placed in many different positions - Iron wire placed inside the collector coil or collector coil placed in different positions around the iron wire.
Permanent magnets placed in different positions.
No change in voltage was noted in CapB with any of the coils. If anything a slight reduction in voltage.
I finally tried a spiral collector coil as per tesla secondary in his magnifying transmitter.
This had a definate affect on the voltage of the capacitor.
Sometimes it would be 1 volt higher, sometimes 1 volt lower. I sometimes get a string of reductions of say 0.5 volt each. And other times a string of increases of 0.5 volts.
There seems to be no consistency. I've tried placing magnets at different positions to try and get consistent increase or consistent decrease.
As yet no consistency. But a definate effect.
Conclusion
A flat spiral coil is known to be a good broadband receiver. Early radio enthusiansts (1940's) used flat spiral coils on the end of long radio receiving aerials to increase the receiving frequency bandwidth.
Either the spiral coil is being inducted with energy in the standard induction principle or it is a small manifestation of the kick. I am encouraged that non of my other non spiral coils had this affect.
If it is radiant energy I believe the spiral worked because of the changing diameter of the copper wire. It requires a certain circumference to grab the radiant energy is my guess which is why non of my other coils worked. (Unfortunately this same principle could be true, I think, for standard electromagnetic radiation).
Obviously the time taken to do each pulse limits getting the parameters correct and to eliminate affects caused by constant measuring of the voltage. Once I get the pulsing circuit going I'll be able to have an oscilloscope constantly attached and hopefully will be able to make further deductions.
Now need to get a capacitor based pulsing circuit going. And by good luck Penguin Hood has earlier said he'll be posting such a circuit....
By the way a pulsing automotive coil has too much ringing to be any good as a HV pulsing supply. Also you can't get the pulsing frequency up very high as the primary doesn't have chance to reach full voltage (Magnetic field has not fully expanded in primary coil). Nor can you control the pulse width.
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Single Wire Conduction
using flat spiral coil
from Milan Manchich
see here:
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/milan.htm
Mike
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Hi Bob,
please try to use iron wire coils in your setup.
Try to premagnetize the iron coils with a magnet
as close to the Barkhausen jump magnetisation level
as possible with the right distance of the magnet
and put a cap in parallel so you have a LC circuit.
Then give it a kick via an electric pulse and see,
if it will resonate at the Barkausen frequency
or lower frequency, but make sure the oscillation
will drive it always through the Barkhausen regime,
so you will see some spikes on the oscillation voltage.
Now if you have the iron wire coil on a ferrite core and
couple these spikes to another iron wire coil with a cap in paralell
you could see, if you could resonate this LC circuit as well
and finally try to feedback some energy to the first LC circuit with
some additional circuit.
Please try step by step.
Many thanks.
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P.S: Bob Shannon, who made this Barkhausen effect receiver said to me,
that the Barkhausen jumps occured also with a static magnet sitting
at the right distance away from the iron material. Then the jumps were
quite low in counts, but some domains flipped back and forth,
so there is some energy generation via these jumps occuring in this state
due to the temperature and background radiation which kicks
some magnetic domains back and forth.
So if you would have a sine current which goes through this regime,
it would also flip the domains back and forth and the spikes
of this flipping would induce voltage spikes that could be collected
in a bigger cap.
This is probably the big electrolytic cap in Steven Mark?s bigger 1 KW unit
inside the toroid.
Regards, Stefan.
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I want to first say that I in no way want to deviate from the RADIANT TESLA/GRAY line of discussions, because ultimately I feel that is the ONLY PLACE where FREE ENERGY IS, but I found this today, and I couldn't get over how similar it was to Steven's second device..............
Steven's second device in the video coilnew05.avi looks like the exact same thing as a previous patent from 1993 in France.
Allow me to explain the EXACT similarities in detail, THEN you can decide for yourself.
Here is a description of the device:
--This patented generator is a solid-state generator which uses the nuclear resonant ferromagnetic effect in a cylindrical rod of iron. (BALING WIRE ANYONE???)
--It uses a common iron rod (isotopic number 56) with 3 simple coils wound around it.
--This rod is placed between a U shaped core (soft iron)(A ROD PULS ATTACHED TO A "U" SHAPE EQUALS A COMPLETE CIRCLE/TOROID) for closing the magnetic circuit and thus reducing the magnetic losses(SIMILAR TO A TOROID, SOMETHING STEVEN TOLD US TO LOOK INTO) (see the diagram).
--The inventors claim that if we introduce 105 eV to the iron (isotope 56), its change to the iron isotope 54. The energy generated by this nuclear reaction inside the iron rod will produce an energy gain of 20,000 eV. The energy required for generating the isotopic mutation is produced by a nuclear magnetic resonance effect. The parametric excitation is obtained by the coil #2 acting as the pump.
The energy output is collected by the coil #3 which is able to produce 110-220-380V at 400Hz(THIS COULD PROBABLY BE CHANGED, THE Hz, BASED ON THE SETUP USED).
--The iron rod is used as the main source of energy by isotopic mutation effect, thus, this will provide a simple and cheap source of energy for a long time.
--The inventors claim that this device can be used for building self-powered elecrical power supplies.
Here is the patent abstract:
Abstract of FR2680613
Generator of energy by resonant nuclear ferromagnetism, consisting of a "U"-shaped chassis made of mild steel containing a cylindrical bar made of ferromagnetic fuel rod on which at least 3 induction coils act.(AT LEAST THREE, SO THERE COULD BE MORE)The first coil is an electromagnet(YOU COULD ALSO USE A SMALL PERMANENT MAGNET TO PRODUCE THIS SAME EFFECT AS THE DC BIAS FROM THIS ELECTROMAGNET DOES, HMMM :)), the second is a nuclear magnetic resonance actuator(THE KICK GENERATING WIRE), the third(COLLECTOR COILS) recovering the induction energy present in the bar. Device intended particularly to supply commercially exploitable electrical energy as well as to perform isotopic mutations.
Now, lets look at some of the things that we have seen from the various videos of Steven and his words:
--Steven's device is known, at least the first one, to use baling wire, of which many consist of IRON.
--Steven NEVER SAID he DIDN'T use batteries, only that a battery couldn't do the demonstrations of power his TPU was showing, that doesn't mean a battery wasn't there to provide the frequencies to the IRON,
--Steven said to pay attention to the TOROIDAL structure and that it was IMPORTANT, hmm, just like the device above, absolutely IMPORTANT.
--Steven's device OBVIOUSLY used permanent magnets NEAR the coils, hmm, maybe to simulate the 0.5 Tesla DC field that the electromagnet on COIL #1 of the patent creates?
--Steven's devices came out just a little after the French patent above, i.e. 1993.
--The AC entered into the COIL #2 would be the KICK GENERATING WIRE that produces the nuclear reactions that move through the TPU and are picked up via the COIL #3.
--Steven's second device in particular appear to ONLY HAVE A COUPLE COILS, JUST LIKE THE PICTURE FROM THE FRENCH PATENT.
Again, if I am wrong, at least we got to see another potential for inclusion into the matrix of ideas about Steven's TPU, a win-win situation.
Thanks Tao for bringing this up. There are definate parallels with the Steven Mark's device as you've pointed out.
Have you noticed that the 21Mhz mentioned in the patent is exactly 120 times the 175Khz identified with magnetism ? Interesting huh.
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Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have this on my list of things to try.
I'll pm you when I have done it. (and will post to the board the results)
I'm concentrating at the moment on getting parts for a pulsing circuit.
I do have to say in the next few weeks my spare time is going to be limited as a project at work moves to the next phase.....
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Hi Bob,
did you try in your experiments,
if you can use the Barkhausen noise spikes
to induce a voltage in other coils ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have this on my list of things to try.
I'll pm you when I have done it. (and will post to the board the results)
I'm concentrating at the moment on getting parts for a pulsing circuit.
I do have to say in the next few weeks my spare time is going to be limited as a project at work moves to the next phase.....
Happy independence day for those of you in the US, be safe with your fireworks, and enjoy the barbeques!!
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Hi All,
I have a gut feeling that the person behind all of this is stan deyo as both the dates posted for these videos imply.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2183733306119723239&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
compare the designs illustrated in these 2 videos.
Simply put a and b together people and you will probably work out the message between the lines.
Regards,
Dean
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Additionally I suspect that there is little or no additional technology required in these devices. What we may be observing is the juxtaposition of 2 coils of equal mass and density similar to the the tesla transponder stimulated by the presence of a local magnetic source so that they vibrate and become resonant to the earths magnetic field. The magnet would be used similar to a tuning fork to begin or maintain the resonance. The frequency required was described in the video 6XXX? Take your calcs do the math on the length and distrubition for the windings and the differential as per the longitudinal wave video and see what happens?. Subsequently the toroidal or vortex nature of the system may be the reason that once turned upside down .. ofcourse depending on which hemisphere you are in .. the device stops working.
Just my totally whacky idea here but some people are better at the big picture than others i guess.
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Hi All,
I have a gut feeling that the person behind all of this is stan deyo as both the dates posted for these videos imply.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2183733306119723239&q=free+energy+duration%3Along
compare the designs illustrated in these 2 videos.
Simply put a and b together people and you will probably work out the message between the lines.
Regards,
Dean
Well, the stan deyo video is very interesting. And he was in australia for a Loooooong time. Just recently got his citizenship back. He and steven may have crossed paths. But I don't think they are the same person. Even if SM does look like a young stan deyo. Their voices are wrong. The designs in the video did give me a moment of pause, as at first look, the toroidal coil in the antigravity portion of the video reminded me of our own arrangement here. However the free energy stuff was more like moray's receivers. I suppose SM's device could be an incarnation of what Moray did.
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Also note in the stan dey footage he skips the free energy device component of his presentation.
Another point is that if you view the coil from stevens pictures closely they seem to exhibit the thick band around the outside sometimes as the light catches them, extrememly similar to the design shown in the deyo clip.
certainly still has me wondering, and being an aussie i can hear the accent in both clips. though i do agree not so similar sounding voices.
i think this may just be a collaborative assault to bring this technology forward.
Or a load of crap as so many of us have discovered over the years :(
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ok, heres another theory, posibbly leading to a potential scam accusation here .. maybe what we are seeing is an implimentation of the tesla power transitter/reciever. with the power source located in another room ??
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The Fogal semiconductor
The device has an electrolytic capacitor and a parallel resistor attached to the emitter junction of a bipolar transistor. Electrolytic capacitors react differently in this type of circuit configuration than a standard non-electrolytic bypass capacitor. The electrolytic capacitor creates a unique electromagnetic field. The parallel resistor is used to "bleed-off" excess charge potential from the plate of the capacitor to generate the electromagnetic field.
taken from: http://www.eskimo.com/~ghawk/fogal_device/fogal.htm
maby this could explain the capacitors with parallel resistors
what do you guys think about this?
Thanks,
Mike
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This is an interesting little piece of technology. One of the things that Peter told me when we talked, was that if you are generating power with NO HEAT, you know you are on the right track. However SM's unit has an overheating problem. This is one of the things that confuses me about it. I Keep going back and forth between it being misdiagnosed as tapping the earth's magnetic field and it actually being zpe/aether, and it actually tapping the magnetic field. The Heat problem seems to indicate large amounts of inductance/current. This means he's obviously NOT "splitting the positive" as EV Gray would put it. If however, one of Grey's conversion tubes was placed on the output, (sparkgap, resistor, collector tubes), in series with a thyristor/thyratron, I'm thinking we'd see some HUGE gains, and the thing would run cool! However, mannix/sm arent talking anymore, obviously, so... who knows.
Oh, yeah! Everyone notice? We have now been graced with underlined, and linked words that we will never click on because we are not farking MORONS. I'm thinking this is about it for me here. I can't stand the commercialization of a website that is based on FREE energy. I'll be starting one soon. The ads on every single page of every single thread were bad enough. Then posting those lame ebay ads with fake click through crap so he could make money. Now the idiot traps. Great. It's even in the the title of this forum now, at least as I'm typing this "ENERGY" is underlined with an ad link. That seems appropriate. Ironic somehow. A free energy site using the word energy to link ads to make money. Honestly. I've hosted, and developed several web sites, and it's not that expensive. You either believe in what your doing and are willing to pay for it or not.
.... and that's how I REALLY feel.
I just bought a hosting account for 2 years, 35gb space, unlimited bandwidth transfers, asp.net, AND cgi hosting, unlimited databases, unlimited domain parking, and unlimited domain registrations.
The root domain is gn0sis.com, which is where I'll host my ad-free forums. it's not up yet but should be within 24 hours. Anyone is welcome there.
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Keep your hair on or you may blow a valve mate ;D. Patience is a virture and when exercised wards off ulsers and the like. I am working on a water connector which I hope to be testing soon. I wish to see if it will also not generate heat when current passes through it. One always has to live in hope and if not lots of fun and ecitement trying ::)
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My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.
If it were real..
Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?
If it is real and he is working out the bugs.
Show others and they will help work out the bugs. Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.
I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..
I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.
I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.
Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)
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My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.
If it were real..
Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?
If it is real and he is working out the bugs.
Show others and they will help work out the bugs. Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.
I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..
I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.
I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.
Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)
Dean, why don't you sod off if you have nothing constructive to contribute. It's obvious you have very little insight into either the technology nor the politics involved. Quite frankly why would Steven Mark even care what you think about him given the lack of credibility you have establish on this forum.
More to the point, a personal attack on Steven Mark can only have one motive, which is to ensure Steven Mark does not make any further contribution to this forum.
So I repeat, take your personal attacks elsewhere, you are not welcome here.
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My thoughts as I have followed it and was amazed by the video.
If it were real..
Why would he not donate it to help the world (if he did not want to make money on it), or make them and sell them (make some money), or sell it to a big company (collect a large fee and a percentage)?
If it is real and he is working out the bugs.
Show others and they will help work out the bugs. Sure there are people here that would be more than willing to help.
I was all for it, but the delays and relayed EMAIL, teasing, etc..
I tend to agree, I cant believe that greed could really come into it in every incarnation of these devices, as I know for sure if I could do this I would immediately diseminate the information on how to make it happen immediately. Every last detail of it. You could only assume that karma would compensate you admirably.
I think people should put up or shut up with these things otherwise they are just a distraction to the real workers. It is kind of like some power trip having all the people interested running hither and dither trying to understand their little quest like a bunch of da vinci code goof balls.
Steven if your watching/reading .. plug yourself into your little toy and zap yourself silly for all i care, your either a coward or a nut job as far as I am concerned. :P 8)
All this from an Aussie who's claim to fame is you made it on tv once on accident? How are you contributing? Go smoke your herbs and play your guitar on some street corner where you'll be appreciated, if you haven't been banned at the noise bar.. Steven's a good guy, just a little gun-shy because of people like you. Like he needs, or even gives a sh*t about your pathetic critisizms.
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I will ignore that flame as you can only be so upset if you are so desperate to be a believer, though I won't stand down based on your very low level research effort on my contributions to this world. Maybe you have become an investor in this new prophet, and should he be so lame as to scurry into the woodwork where he belongs due to my comments then so be it. So google my name all you like, go ahead make wild allegations or some weak lie up see if i care, but hero's are meant to save the world not leave bread crumbs off into obscurity. Be careful where you place faith, you wont be the first sucker born nor the last. I read with interest a large portion of the postings and watched with interest all the videos and materials provided. I drew my own conclusions and made my own comments as I feel i have every right to.
I am sure you are neither a bad person nor as ignorant as you have portrayed, so just remember , I am here and able to respond and need no proxy to do so... Steven isn't !!
PS. Hope you listend to a few tracks while you were there... may improve my rankings anyways.
Kind Regards,
Dean McGowan
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Hi all,
Perhaps I need to qualify something.
At this stage this thread is for those who ARE winding coils. Information and discussion WILL come up to a pace where we can all get on the same page.BUT if you do not have the basic test equipment and aren't prepered to put lots of effort in then be honest and just watch...do not contribute unless you are hands on. I apolagise if I have offended any body ,I am just trying to give this the best chance of success.
If your ego gets bruised by this ...you need a thicker ego. I know I do sometimes.
If any body that is hands on,has the necessary skill, works with high voltage, and is prepared to spend much spare time chasing this Please let me know.
I am going to get us all to the gate at the same time and not be slowed down by those who have just arrived. This has been going for months now so For those who have just discovered this Please Take the time and read everything.I imagine it will take several nights to read and several weeks to absorb.
As stated, very early on this will never be monkey see monkey do ...mabey nothing will be achieved except the journey I dont know..what I do know is that we cannot keep slowing down to the pace of those who come in late.
Plenty of people who are well trained an have passed many memory tests have in thier mind, very good reasons to say that this is impossible. For you people please just leave us dreamers alone and do a crossword. Success is just a matter of time and some hard work for the rest of us ,and the more productive we can spend that time the better.Its still free to watch The last thing that we should have here is a closed shop...If it comes to that this whole thing will be a failure of sorts.
Please pm me with your experience and equipment..lets get going.
Lindsay Mannix
Mannix, I totally disagree.
I think it is only your perception that things are slowed down by other people posting and 'coming in late'. People are mostly slowed down by work and family commitments. People don't have a straight run of time. I get 3-4 days spare if I finish a project early.
I would appreciate more of your involvement in the ongoing discussions and theories raised.
What do you think causes the rotating magnetic field ?
How are you getting the kicks ?
What mechanism are you using to get multiple kicks ?
How are you collecting the kick energy ?
What mechanism are you using or thinking of using in order to convert the static energy into a rotating magnetic field ?
What parameters have you determined for efficiently collecting kick energy ?
I know you've posted the 'all the kings men' story but honestly why introduce another layer of interpretation. Why not actually tell us exactly what you believe, why you believe this, what experiments you've done to confirm your theory, and whether SM has confirmed your beliefs.
Why not start another thread with the opening message, This thread is for contributors who are building coils please post on the other thread if you are not building coils ? Perhaps on this new thread you could post any other information from Steven Mark that you have not yet put onto the board. Why you hold back information I have no idea. That last personal message was crucial. Could have saved me a bucket load of time if I had it earlier.
I for one would like to know:
How long had you been holding onto the last particularly valuable information from Steven Mark ?
Do you have any other information from Steven Mark that you are not posting at this moment ?
Why drip feed the information ? Let's get all the information on the board.
I have a 35MHz oscilloscope, 3Mhz Function Generator, and a shed full of old parts. I'm familiar with high voltage, rf precautions. I never wear a watch or jewellery when in my experiments shed. I'm thinking of obtaining a spectrum analyser (I know a two way satellite guy who may have one going).
Drip feed .. bread crumbs .. you say potato i say potato .. the only thing that seperates us is that one of us is in denial and the other isn't
Regards,
Dean
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Would anyone like to debate the evidence given thus far before committing resources and time to their replication efforts?
If just one person could put forward a convincing unbiased assessment of the information submitted so far, then I should take back my comments and I will gladly do so.
You see, i know some of you guys are as smart as hell, and more than willing to give of your time and effort, but i have been following these information trails for years now online, and I rarely make comments as you may easily confirm with google (as some like to do) But this and the myriad of tales of human colonisation of faraway galaxies by intelligent aliens doing exchange student programs and the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"
which by the way is a total misnomer given the nature of the technology presented much more likely that it would be a longitudinal wave phenomena should it be real.
Keep up the good work, keep an open mind even .. much as was put forward in the stan deyo video when the scientists were told the story of the guy who happened upon the antigravity device and perished demonstrating it, If this thread inspires you to try as it so obvously has then Steven Mark story is harmless... but i think the scientist were lucky they werent given a video of a supposedly functional device, rather just the belief they can if they try....
Don't stop trying .. I know i wont.
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The following explanation is the function principle of a high voltage pulse generator designed and built two years ago to drive capacitive loads. The prototype showed be very good for this purpose.
I think create a website to share deeper information about the generator due the forum visualization is not appropriate.
FIG 1
The figure 1 is a circuital configuration frequently used in electronic to generate unipolar voltage pulses. The output has the Co capacitor as load.
During the transistor cut off (OFF) the voltage output is equal to V1 source while during the transistor saturation (ON) is approached to zero.
The R1 resistance must limit the drawing current through the transistor during the saturation. Therefore the resistance must be increased as long as the V1 voltage is increased. As consequence, for high voltages this circuit has a very large RC time constant affecting the pulse edge, wherein R is the net resistance and C is the net capacitance of circuit.
Also the maximum voltage output of this configuration is being limited by the maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
The objective was to demonstrate the difficulty to generate high voltage pulses with sharp edges using this configuration.
FIG 2
The figure 2 is the circuital configuration used by the high voltage pulse generator proposed.
Two transistors, the transistors M1 and M2 are switched alternatively. While one is satured (ON) the other transistor is cutt off (OFF) and viceversa
Each transistor has connected in parallel a zener diode (Dz1, Dz2). The circuit has a particularity: between the cathode of Dz1 and the negative of V1 the voltage is constant and equal to the zener voltage, despite the switching is changing the transistor states. Chossing the Dz1, Dz2 zener diodes of voltage close to V1 voltage, the resistance can be reduced considerably (several magnitude orders) still keeping unchanged the drawing current throrough the zener diodes. So the RC time constant can be very small improving notably the switching time.
Again the maximum voltage output is being limited by maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
FIG 3
Defining with the name "Cell" to the circuit of figure 2, if the outputs from N cells are serial connected (the fig 3 has 4 cells), the voltage is multiplied by N independing the maximum output voltage of the individual component limitations.
The voltages from V1,V2,V3,V4 sources MUST BE FLOATINGS. It is easy to create many floating AC voltages from one only source using coils coupled magnetically (a transformer with many secondaries). Then from each floating AC voltage are created the high DC voltages (V1, V2, V3, and V4 at fig.3) using voltage multipliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier)
Note that the function of a transformer in this case it is not to gain voltage but to decouple the voltages, while the voltage multipliers are used to gain voltage.
The transformer should operate to high frequency (kHz order) so the voltage multipliers recover rapidly the charge.
With the actually disposable MOSFET transistors each cell could generate unipolar pulses of 1000 volts, then using 4 cells as in FIG.3 it is possible generate unipolar pulses of 4000 volts on a capacitive load on order nanofarads with switching times on the order of nanoseconds.
FIG. 4
Shows to how to control the transistors.
FIG. 5
Shows how to generate the floating voltages for the voltage multiplier and transistor control. The coils are on same ferrite core. The complete diagram to build one cell.
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Would anyone like to debate the evidence given thus far before committing resources and time to their replication efforts?
If just one person could put forward a convincing unbiased assessment of the information submitted so far, then I should take back my comments and I will gladly do so.
You see, i know some of you guys are as smart as hell, and more than willing to give of your time and effort, but i have been following these information trails for years now online, and I rarely make comments as you may easily confirm with google (as some like to do) But this and the myriad of tales of human colonisation of faraway galaxies by intelligent aliens doing exchange student programs and the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"
which by the way is a total misnomer given the nature of the technology presented much more likely that it would be a longitudinal wave phenomena should it be real.
Keep up the good work, keep an open mind even .. much as was put forward in the stan deyo video when the scientists were told the story of the guy who happened upon the antigravity device and perished demonstrating it, If this thread inspires you to try as it so obvously has then Steven Mark story is harmless... but i think the scientist were lucky they werent given a video of a supposedly functional device, rather just the belief they can if they try....
Don't stop trying .. I know i wont.
If your not going to stop trying and you believe we should stay open minded, then why berate? Why share a negative opinion at all? Whether or not someone has believable assessment of the technology and the Man himself is of no consequence if that is your final outlook.
Here is the crux of the device, the video, the man, etc. Regardless of whether or not you like the way he presents it.
The effect you see in the videos is impossible to fake. Unless the videos were professionally edited by someone in hollywood to remove the wires that it would obviously take to provide enough electricity to power those devices, it's real. No transformer/battery arrangement known can do that in that small of a package. Period.
So ad-hominem attacks will get you nowhere in the face of the reality of the device.
Steven CANT give us all the information. He no longer owns the rights to the device. He can give us hints to how the device works and how it is arranged, via little parables and what-not, but unless he wants to lose his home to patent lawyers, he's pretty much stuck to this system of delivery.
Go back and read the ENTIRE thread, and follow all the links posted and read those materials as well. Then come back with a full understanding of the technology we're working with.
Pay close attention to Tao's "eureka" post and the amasci.com materials.
Now, am I unbiased? NO. I believe this thing exists and works. But I simply cannot believe otherwise given the evidence of my eyes.
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The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.
Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example. Who amonst you did not honestly doubt up until this point, though readily accepted the demonstation as the "clincher" in the deal. Our hopes and dreams were already engaged by this point and more than anything else, myself included were happy to negate the fact that there was little convincing about this grand finale presentation that had us/me totally taken in. I was more than ready to run off to the workshop and begin tweaking my toys, until i gave myself leave to re-examine the facts provided.
I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined, however and I know you would agree they are most definitely not the source of the ascribed overunity and are only capable of rearranging the values in our standard equations and not capable of creating more output than input.
This highlight to me your understanding of electronics but not the capabilities of the Marks device. And this again shows us how we are lead along to believe as we take 80% factual information add it to the unknown, which could easily be given should Steven had not be so silly as to attribute his identity to the information and had just posted the information as someone who had just discovered it for themselves. Who is to say he posted it under these circumstances ? unless ofcourse there is some need for recognition or self glorification?
Or .. its a hoax ?
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The following explanation is the function principle of a high voltage pulse generator designed and built two years ago to drive capacitive loads. The prototype showed be very good for this purpose.
I think create a website to share deeper information about the generator due the forum visualization is not appropriate.
FIG 1
The figure 1 is a circuital configuration frequently used in electronic to generate unipolar voltage pulses. The output has the Co capacitor as load.
During the transistor cut off (OFF) the voltage output is equal to V1 source while during the transistor saturation (ON) is approached to zero.
The R1 resistance must limit the drawing current through the transistor during the saturation. Therefore the resistance must be increased as long as the V1 voltage is increased. As consequence, for high voltages this circuit has a very high 1/RC time constant affecting the pulse edge, wherein R is the net resistance and C is the net capacitance of circuit.
Also the maximum voltage output of this configuration is being limited by the maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
The objective was to demonstrate the difficulty to generate high voltage pulses with sharp edges using this configuration.
FIG 2
The figure 2 is the circuital configuration used by the high voltage pulse generator proposed.
Two transistors, the transistors M1 and M2 are switched alternatively. While one is satured (ON) the other transistor is cutt off (OFF) and viceversa
Each transistor has connected in parallel a zener diode (Dz1, Dz2). The circuit has a particular simmetry, no matter the switching, the drawing current from source through R1 remain constant (in other words, the drawing current through R1 is DC). Chossing the Dz1, Dz2 zener diodes of voltage close to V1 voltage, the resistance can be reduced considerably (several magnitude orders) still keeping low the drawing current. So the 1/RC time constant can be very small improving notably the switching time.
Again the maximum voltage output is being limited by maximum voltage that can be applied without damaging the transistor.
FIG 3
Defining with the name "Cell" to the circuit of figure 2, if the outputs from N cells are serial connected (the fig 3 has 4 cells), the voltage is multiplied by N independing the maximum output voltage of the individual component limitations.
The voltages from V1,V2,V3,V4 sources MUST BE FLOATINGS. It is easy to create many floating AC voltages from one only source using coils coupled magnetically (a transformer with many secondaries). Then from each floating AC voltage are created the high DC voltages (V1, V2, V3, and V4 at fig.3) using voltage multipliers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltage_multiplier)
Note that the function of a transformer in this case it is not to gain voltage but to decouple the voltages, while the voltage multipliers are used to gain voltage.
The transformer should operate to high frequency (kHz order) so the voltage multipliers recover rapidly the charge.
With the actually disposable MOSFET transistors each cell could generate unipolar pulses of 1000 volts, then using 4 cells as in FIG.3 it is possible generate unipolar pulses of 4000 volts on a capacitive load on order nanofarads with switching times on the order of nanoseconds.
Thanks Penguin Hood. Your efforts are much appreciated.
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I've highlighted below the techniques this 'Dean' person is using to instill doubt.
He will attempt to draw us into further discussions, under the guise of wanting 'to believe' or 'prove it to me' to waste time and also so he can use the pattern of selecting a subset of information, making a logical fallacy, and drawing a conclusion that instills doubt.
I suggest any further posts we simply reply by pointing back to this posting
which clearly demonstrates his modus operandi.
The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.
Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example.
He quotes a small subset of the information available on all the videos/forum.
He then states as fact that only a subset of the information he has given is the only credible information.
He then goes on to show how his ONE example could be faked. And then draws the INCORRECT conclusion that if you doubt the TV example, you should seriously consider that you are being decieved. He is doing the logical equivalent of "All fish live underwater therefore everything underwater must be a fish.". He fails to mention the video demonstration of the flame like discharge from the large coil.
The flame discharge showing vaporisation of metal with intense white arcing light requires HIGH FREQUENCY, HIGH VOLTAGE and HIGH CURRENT. This is a FACT. This clearly indicates that HIGH POWER is available.
Who amonst you did not honestly doubt up until this point, though readily accepted the demonstation as the "clincher" in the deal. Our hopes and dreams were already engaged by this point and more than anything else, myself included were happy to negate the fact that there was little convincing about this grand finale presentation that had us/me totally taken in. I was more than ready to run off to the workshop and begin tweaking my toys, until i gave myself leave to re-examine the facts provided.
Having created some doubt in your mind. He now needs to create a set of statements that you agree with. This is what the above is doing. Sales men use this all the time to create rapport. They get you to agree to 4 or 5 things in a row and then try to sell you their conclusion. Again it's a logical fallacy. If A,B,C and D are true therefore my conclusion is true. In this case, what he is selling is 'DOUBT'. His whole post is about creating DOUBT in your mind.
I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined, however and I know you would agree they are most definitely not the source of the ascribed overunity and are only capable of rearranging the values in our standard equations and not capable of creating more output than input.
This highlight to me your understanding of electronics but not the capabilities of the Marks device.
This shows us for sure that this 'Dean' mannequin's purpose is to instill doubt.
He INCORRECTLY concluded, because he has not bothered to follow the threads that Penguin Hoods electronic diagrams were an attempt to recreate the Steven Mark device. THIS IS NOT THE CASE. But note how he has latched onto these diagrams to further promote his agenda of instilling doubt. We all know that Penguin Hoods diagrams were in responce to our need for a high voltage dc pulse generator with fast rise and fall times. Obviously this type of circuit is NOT going to be in patents because it is STANDARD ELECTRONICS. So why does
Dean say "I do appreciate your effort in providing the circuits that are well described in many patents I have examined". THIS IS QUITE SIMPLY A LIE to dissuade the casual reader of this thread that we do not know what we are doing. Again he was trying to establish rapport by first complementing and then trivialising the circuits provided. Now lets examine the conclusion he is trying to sell...DOUBT.
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And this again shows us how we are lead along to believe as we take 80% factual information add it to the unknown,
Is this really a conclusion from what he just said ? NO NOT AT ALL. And his following statements show that all he wants to do is make more statements to instill doubt.
which could easily be given should Steven had not be so silly as to attribute his identity to the information and had just posted the information as someone who had just discovered it for themselves. Who is to say he posted it under these circumstances ? unless ofcourse there is some need for recognition or self glorification?
Or .. its a hoax ?
And his final statement leaves us in no doubt what he was trying to achieve.
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The 'mannequin' having been outed, as a paid troll, will now respond by either:
a. Trawling through our posts, selectively picking subsets of information, to try and discredit people. The logical fallacy used will be along the line 'because this is wrong everything else is wrong'. Which is just another version of 'All cows have 4 legs, this table has 4 legs, therefore this table is a cow!!'.
b. Reappearing under a different username. So watch out for new users or users with the same create date as this 'mannequin' guy.
c. Personal attack, going along the ego, paranoid route. His reply to gnostic was of this nature.
d. Further postings trying to link this discussion with fringe 'alien conspiracies'. Again to try and establish these postings, as postings of 'nutters'. You'll notice he is now doing this already on his other posts.
e. Claim that I'm the troll.
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the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"
Ignorance.
This thread was started by Mannix, an ASSOCIATE of Mark's, and the word 'Master' appears only in the title, nowhere in the original post or quoted letter. The title is obviously a note of enthusiasm and respect for Mr. Mark's understanding of electromagnetic phenomena, which would ellicit the idea that he is a 'Master' of such, because of what he has done with that understanding. Much like a chess master being able to beat any 'newbies'. Mannix is simply excited about what has been discovered. Proxy? Yes. I believe he explained why he does not post directly.
Anyways, I commend the contributors to this thread and I follow it closely, good work!
It is exciting to see the equations take shape behind the results ;)
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I've highlighted below the techniques this 'Dean' person is using to instill doubt.
He will attempt to draw us into further discussions, under the guise of wanting 'to believe' or 'prove it to me' to waste time and also so he can use the pattern of selecting a subset of information, making a logical fallacy, and drawing a conclusion that instills doubt.
I suggest any further posts we simply reply by pointing back to this posting
which clearly demonstrates his modus operandi.
The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.
Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example.
He quotes a small subset of the information available on all the videos/forum.
He then states as fact that only a subset of the information he has given is the only credible information.
He then goes on to show how his ONE example could be faked. And then draws the INCORRECT conclusion that if you doubt the TV example, you should seriously consider that you are being decieved. He is doing the logical equivalent of "All fish live underwater therefore everything underwater must be a fish.". He fails to mention the video demonstration of the flame like discharge from the large coil.
The flame discharge showing vaporisation of metal with intense white arcing light requires HIGH FREQUENCY, HIGH VOLTAGE and HIGH CURRENT. This is a FACT. This clearly indicates that HIGH POWER is available.
You forgot his most glaring issue. The fact he says that those lights or the handi vac or drill could easily be powered by batteries for such a short period of time.
Please find me an array of batteries that small that could power those devices. I encourage you to find me an array of batteries that could power even one of those lightbulbs that would fit in such a small package as the tpu model he is demonstrating there. You obviously have NO experience with electronics or power requirements for AC powered electrical devices. You hear that loud raspy wind when he's running the drill? Those are it's brushes. This has a powerful AC motor in it. It's not like a makita 18 volt cordless. Theres much more power in it. Lets not forget the TV was running the whole time. While the drill was running, and while the vac was running. And the light bulbs, each of those was at the minimum 15 watts.
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The doubt will persist until a successful replication is made of the TPU device or something like it. It is only natural and to be expected. I would suggest that concentration on the technical aspects of replication of the TPU along with experimentation will further the cause and bring us closer to an answer, more than speculations of whether we believe it or not.
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Hey Lindsay, how goes the battle?
Good to hear from you again. I thought perhaps we'd lost you to history.
As far as the switching, your probably right, we might need to use tubes to start with, until we can find the frequencies we need to work with. If we can find the frequencies with a function generator, we can then trim the coils to resonate naturally at those frequencies. I'm thinking this will be the thing that kills us.. We could literally test frequencies for the rest of our lives before finding even one of them. This is much more difficult than safe cracking. Do you have any ideas where we should start? Have we hit on any of the correct frequencies in our research thus far?
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Okay Lets just skip the options a,b,c... etc and accept we are all feeing pain in this.
Given the premises put forward as to my understanding of this device, and should I have made an attempt myself to replicate the device with a small degree of success, ie. I am not powering my househld from it. How would I go about proving or disproving that I have suceeded or failed and am not just living too close to a powerful emf source?
Assuming by this point in time you all dont think i am a pot smoking no brain, detractor with an IQ of 130 and no ambition.
What is the testing/validation framework?
Because I dont buy giving an example of two large lamp bases with more than enough room to fit a small car battery within them, taking this beyond a hobbyist experiment and as a professional excersise how do I proceed?
Should I prepare some kind of shielding from external sources similar to a faraday cage etc..?
Can I extend one more idea (unqualified ofcourse) from my own attempts, that is that if this engery is derived from quantum fluctuations, then the switching mechanism you are pursuing may be inherent in the materials used and the mass ratios (often prescribed to be 1:1) within the components and therefor I am contemplating that a switching unit of the calibre being pursued may either not be in existence or may be just out of reach (present tech).
So thinking outside of the box here ..
a) is the switch inherent in the design/balance of components
b) or a new innovation such as described below
I do remember reviewing a presentation regarding silicon magnetic switching to be developed for new microprocessors, similar to hard disk data technology yet a lot smaller.
The gates are made from a new compound derived from believe it or not some black sludge/dust byproduct of gold mining that has the amazing ability to be able to magnetise and demagnetise at extremely short intervals. This is not some fanciful idea, given time i am sure i can relocate the video and its a presentation made by a reputable physicist at a reputable forum.
Regards
Dean McGowan
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Another more natural way of creating the switching may be simply inducing a feedback loop in the circuit that has a natural phase cancellation thus opening and closing the loop allowing for the natural capacitance and voltage multiplication to self regulate. I thought this made sense when considering the system based on longitudinal waveforms. This diagram is crude but let me know what you think?
I have 2 small ring magnets wound seperately using a single steel wire and an iron core wound with copper wire.
The mass of the 2 seperate circuits is the same and I have brought into contact a small neodymium magnet to the copper wound iron core. Results .. inconclusive, too small a scale to make any validatable observations, though It did seem to be totally ineffective when the device was not in the upright position.
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This is my interpretation of the system however I have deviated from the Steven Marks device as I considered that the copper winding is around the outside of the circuit, however this may only be an issue of semantics.
I put this forward as I am of the opinion that efforts may be being made on non essential components as often included/excluded in demonstrations and patents for such devices. I also accept this may be an over simplification of the device.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
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Awesome! welcome aboard Dean. BTW 130 is a bit above average 140 is borderline genius and Einstein is thought to have been somewhere in the 160s.
It seems to me that although ambitous, and perhaps oversimplified, you have attempted to start running before you have started walking. Our first goal is to find kicks and the correct frequencies. Using a spark gap before the coils is probably sufficient in your current set up to get a good rise time in your iron windings to be able to measure kicks. This should also create an elongated induction time in your secondaries as the relax times of the iron windings will be slow.
Once you see kicks, the small(time) but large(power) spikes that occur we have a start. This would be crawling.
As far as what is critical and what is not, the only part of the control circuitry that is critical is the switching. Everything else is, I'm assuming for pulsing the coils. The coil arrangement is critical, and we are relatively sure we have a grip on that. Tao and I have posted some information related to the arrangement of the coils, if you haven't already seen it. I can send you our information that led us to that conclusion if mannix doesn't mind, if you are seriously interested in participating. Although we had a bumpy start, this is productive.
We won't win the boston marathon any time soon, but unfortunately, we don't have the full body of information to work with.
We CAN learn something however. Something we can use toward the final product.
Understand Dean, that we fully realize that we may never get there. However, we are willing to give it a shot, and follow these leads as they may take us to unexpected places, and these concepts DO have merit.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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I'm new to this forum but much read on Bedini devices.
The Bedini / Wagner type energisers in self oscillation mode when matched to their collection coils (Trifilar wound air coil) can drive various loads with an AC or rectified to DC output. I have recently driven a UK 240v / 60W light bulb on a fully charged 12V pack of high quality / high capacity NICAD batteries for a considerable time in excess of the longest Steven Mark demo which was about 15mins. To be honest, I did not get the bulb to full brightness but this is because I just need to find the right coil configuration which is where I think a good deal of experimentation is required. Its basically a very simple minimum component inverter where the frequency can be altered to tune the system to lowest current and highest lamp brightness.
Its interesting to note that I found that a frequency of around 6KHz gave best power transfer on my simple test coil and of course is above audio range, so the device runs very quiet. I estimate that current draw for full brightness will be well under 10 Amps which can be delivered for the demo period from a small set of batteries that could be hidden within the toroid air coil. My energiser did get very hot on its rather small heatsink, so I'm not surprised that Steven kept checking his device during the demo.
I am not trying to discredit Stevens device, just point out that I think from my simple experiment that contrary to what comes across in the video, it is quite possible to run a 120V light bulb from a small set of quality batteries of the right type.
Hoppy
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When choosing high voltage capacitors, you'll want capacitors that will take the stress of very high voltage rise times.
Check out Polypropylene capacitors. The bright yellow packaging is typical of HV polypropylene capacitors.
These can also be seen in one of the videos of the larger TPU.
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/71285.pdf
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I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
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Another simple observation, and it is often good to remind ourselves of the obvious, is that the only thing that tends to improve the resulting output is scale of the device.
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I thought I would post a link to this video and image from my lab.
Tesla is right, the capacitor does make a difference in the longitudal waves down the coil from the violent blast. The better I can get the cap to charge and release creating a bigger snap the better the strobe light lights. Here is an image of the setup http://cmnet.ca/projects/maggap.jpg. Here is a video applying violent shocks to 6 raps of house wire. The right side coil is connected to the strobe light. http://cmnet.ca/projects/hvt1.avi.
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When I test the circuit without a capacitor, the spark gap will jump the full distance of the electrodes when the electrodes are at their widest. The strobe light will not light and using a milliamp meter on a separate coil, which is held close to the base of the heavy coil, shows 0 ma. With 2 .05 microfarad 1kv cap in series from a 1940’s radio, the distance between the electrodes has to be about 1-2 mm to get a white spark. The strobe light lights and the amp meter shows .05 ma. As well I used a coil connected to my oscilloscope, placed at 90 deg to the setup coil and could read a 9-10 volt ac wave. I believe with this experiment I may understand what Peter Lindermann described in his presentation with regards to some of Tesla’s work in conduction with Hertz. “Slapping the water with a hand.†One other note: The positive side of the thick coil showed much less to no action but the negative side is where I took the above values. Disconnecting one wire from the strobe light, I could get a 3mm spark that would seem to go into wood, the ends of capacitors and the end of my finger from that wire with out any shocking affect <such fun :)>. So perhaps the higher readings with the capacitor was do to the capacitor being a capacitor and holding back until it has some amps behind it sending more amps into the main coil and producing a higher voltage to light the strobe. ???? The pulses were timmed the same. ÂÂ
Camster
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I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
What a load of crap.
Capacitance, inductance and resistance are present in all wires to varying degrees.
By this very fact capacitors, coils and resistors are ANALOG to suggest otherwise is tripe. DIGITAL my arse.
It is the infinite non-step like features of analog circuits that make them so suitable for the task at hand.
One of the reasons why eletron tubes would be far more suitable because they allow far more harmonics to progress around an analog circuit.
You may be able to tune your coils to a particular resonant frequency without an additional capacitor but this doesn't mean there is no capacitance in your circuit. Capacitance introduced by your choice of insulation between layers; distance apart of the turns; diameter of wire; size of coil; choice of former; tension on the wire; precision in winding etc.
It's already well understood that fast rise and fall times along with short impulse times coupled with a circuit that never allows reversal of current (diode operation) are required to generate radiant energy. It is more than clear from Tao's work and confirmation from Steven Mark that this is the direction to take.
A spark gap is a good initial choice because it has the attributes of incredibly fast rise time and fall time, and provides a high voltage diode action, and a switching action. By definition if voltage could be applied instantly to the wire the harmonics would continue on into infinity. High voltage capacitors by definition are able to present large amounts of charge to a wire via an appropriate switch.
It is precisely these very high frequency harmonics that we are after in our coil circuits as it is the interaction of these frequencies that can then be observed and deductions made on the right combination of frequencies to use to achieve the desired result.
You'll note from the comments by Lindsay Mannix that they are looking for appropriate switching mechanisms. Fast rise times are not the problem. It's the fast fall times that is the issue. MOSFETS only go to around 1500V. IGBTs go to much higher voltages but have much lower switching times because their trailing edge keeps going - the current doesn't shut off smoothly.
Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.
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to anyone trying to access my site, i'm changing providers and getting a full refund. sorry for being off topic, but this is the 3rd time it's been down in 3 days. I'm not staying with them. it's rediculous. All I need is a full backup out of them, when I can get back in via ftp and then I'm cancelling. rediculous.
no time to read now. later...
Gn0stik.
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I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
What a load of crap.
Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.
Seeing as how he has dropped the negative, I kinda think we should give him a chance. After all he was asking for input on his circuit. And you did give him some which if he tried really hard could take as constructive criticism, and use your input. At least he's winding coils.
I can't say as much.. I've been too damn busy with life to get the right equipment. So there's really no use in me winding coils, as I could not measure the results anyway.
Dean does seem to be a genuine fan of free energy according to his msn profile.
Or maybe your right, perhaps he just likes messing with people's heads.
Dean? What's your motive here?
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I don't really want to keep defending myself here .. there is no other motive than to participate, I am sorry if you interpret it as anything other than that. If my level of understanding is incomplete or off the beaten track then just ignore the post, however i would prefer clear information as you have been good enough to offer. I have consumed a lot of information over the years now and I am not exaggerating, I have read many technical articles and many esoteric articles and I am attempting to take a wholistic approach to the matter. Ok I can see how it may infuriate you that i may not be smack on with conventional terminology, and I also dont see myself as Kosol device devoutee either. I am not an expert in any particular field, though neither were tesla or any other innovators. What i do have a very good track record on is trend perception and preciptence. I have a very good knack for finding needles in the haystack. Call me lucky. I am purely putting effort in and expressing my thoughts.
I do understand what capacitance is and what diodes and resistors do within a circuit. I also understand that much of the community is at odds with the roles they play using differring interpretations of electricity. I dont argue that quotes such as splitting the negative or the true direction of electrical flow are either correct or incorrect.
There is no hidden agenda here, please accept that as the truth.
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I dont think i tried to say that there was no capacitance, I think i stated that there is inherently a natural capacitor built into the system and that that should be enough and more likely to be much faster at switching (maybe under the right phase conditions) and that it is more a matter of tuning the mass and frequency within the system. The digital analog analogy was maybe a poor way to illustrate what i was trying to communicate. I think what i really meant was that there are features/qualities in a valve that get lost onces translated into digital equivalents and taking a step back, that there is a natural capacitor within the circuit that we may be ignoring and not making use off as we see a more tangible result using a contructed one.
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Here is a valid question.
How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?
My thoughts were that environmental conditions would make this a highly unrealiable or repeatable factor in the system. I did not try to negate its purpose within the system. Though having thought about this from a quantum point of view, lets say that this too is already happening when taking the example of the hydrogen atom and how the electron state is described when it seemingly disappears and manifests as 2 seperate spin quarks one acheving a higher state of energy level and the other a lower state. Maybe the waterfall type flow/effect that we are attempting to initiate here using the spark could be inherent as well.
Does a river flow because we decide to push water down the hill or force the water up into the clouds to be taken to the mountain reservoir, or do we simply place a water wheel in the river ?
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This is an interesting sub-harmonic effect:
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/060706_violin.htm
Yes, Great article.
Can certainly see how it applies to this forum. I was kind of thinking in these terms when discussing swtiching etc and how anomolous effect can be created within a finely tuned system. Take for example that plucking the string essentially creates the most obvious effect of setting in motion a simple wave though as described in the artice she gently applies pressure to a harmonic point on the string(enough pressure to allow the initial wave to continue to propogate and the secondary wave or harmonic as they describe to be added) hence causing the anomolous third effect of the subharmonic to become apparent through phase cancellation/conjugation. This waves shape may not sound like any particular instrument either i suspect. It would be very interesting to if we could find the total input and output energy values as well.. she may just be a human zpe machine .. hehehe :P
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Hi all,
Links to explain maybe how Tesla, Moray and Mark get the power gain.
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm
Aspden proposes energy gain from concentric capacitor. Mark TPU has similar form.
Capacitor plates could be on inside and outside edges?
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.html
This second link of his notes explains anomalous gain of power when concentric capacitor is negatively pulsed on the discharge cycle. read all of the notes as different explanations are given that may strike a chord within and give us a clue on how to design our own device.
Here are some quotes:
Now, in this brief note, which I admit I present as possibly only of passing interest, I only wish to draw attention to a feature of the Piggin thesis that I find curious as it may have some bearing upon the claim I am making in presenting that BERLIN LECTURE. Remember that in that Lecture I am suggesting that the aether can import energy anomalously into a concentric cylindrical capacitor. Critics will ask for evidence in support, so I feel obliged to point to anything that can help in this quest.
So all I intend to present here is a copy of page 105 from Dr. Piggin's thesis, which introduces his Fig. 49, and couple this with a quotation concerning that Fig. 49 that appears on page 100 of the thesis. I leave others who may read this to infer what they may, but say further that in his experiment Piggin applies an electrical pulse to charge the capacitor and follows this by an opposite polarity pulse to force its rapid discharge, after which, for some mysterious reason, that capacitor begins to recharge of its own accord. Can the inertial energy of the aether that I discuss in the BERLIN LECTURE be feeding in by a sub-microsecond delay?
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To put this in perspective, if this capacitor energy escalation theme is a valid proposition, one can begin to contemplate a practical application based on the above 50 kW power output from a pair of 1 nanofarad capacitors. Such a capacitor using air as dielectric would need an electrode separation of the order of 1 cm to withstand the 25,000 volt charge. If it were to comprise two concentric cylinders, one having an internal diameter of 20 cm and the other an external diameter of 19 cm, and an overall length of 50 cm, then its capacitance would be 2.2 nanofarad and two such capacitors would only take up a fraction of the space assigned to the engine compartment of an ordinary automobile. Yet the potential power rating, based on that 2.2 nanofarad value would be in excess of 100 kW, which is an acceptable level for such an application. The equipment needed to generate a 25 kV capacitor priming voltage, taken together with a standard electrical car battery to feed in the initial charge of the capacitors plus the inductor/transformer units which form the resonant circuit and provide a lower voltage transformer output need be no larger in volume than the capacitors. One is then left with the need for an electric motor that can provide the mechanical drive for the automobile, this being standard technology but the greater weight factor in terms of drive power generated and so the primary design criterion that could limit vehicle performance.
One can, however, be sure that if the new technology implied can meet the requirements of powering an automobile, it can be even more advantageous in large scale electric power generation for domestic and industrial use as well as in ship propulsion.
Accordingly, the scientific principle involved warrants the necessary research to verify or disprove what is suggested and, if viable, ascertain such criteria as may impose limitations on performance.
[H. ASPDEN: 17th March 2002]
Maybe this is a piece of the puzzle and how these devices work?
Tishatang
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Just a thought to consider here. If according to the experiments performed in this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&q=tesla Tesla was working with longitudinal waves not transverse waves which to me means that the current form of induction or coupling in a standard transformer only applies to the well known transverse wave. A little more on the waves: http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html. If we study the new transformer Tesla spoke of you will notice that the design is opposite to that of a standard transformer in that it is loosely coupled and the secondary coil is one wire in width but tall. The experiments I did last night involved using an air core coil to sniff or feel around the thick primary coil. <see cmnet.ca/projects under high voltage for the test apparatus > What I found was when the coil was parallel or inline to the core as with standard transformers, I could sense ~ .02 ma, if the coil was at a 90 degrees to the core a reading of .5 ma was shown. Adjusting the spark gap from a crackling sound to a hissing sound showed up to 1ma. “I know its not much but itÂ’s far more than that produced with a regular spark and if the spark gap is closed there is nothing.Ââ€Ã‚ As well the core is wrapped with finner gauge wire one width of wire except at the far right end where I rapped back a few mm. I found that there was arching between the raps. I thought about this all night and in my sleep I was wrapping coils in my dreams. My next experiment is to change the design of my primary <thick> coil to accommodate better propagation of longitudinal waves, more finding and studying of Tesla's new transformer. If anyone has a design in mind please share :) My thought is that we need to treat longitudinal waves different than those of our current understanding and that hitting the copper with a sudden jolt produces a wave but not the same wave as electrons traveling a rap of wire.ÂÂ
By the way criticism is like a failed experiment you always come away with new knowledge.
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Here is a valid question.
How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?
I don?t know if this question is for me but just so everyone knows my parameters I am using a 6 volt car coil driven by a 12v motorcycle battery that has a condenser to help protect the points, which is pulsed by using a small motor to spin a cam that operates a set of points <radio shack micro switch > The motor is driven by a hobby train power supply that allows me to change the speed that the SPDT micro switch is switched, the knob width of the cam sets the pulse on time in correlation to the speed of rotation. You ask why not use an npn transistor? Because the transistor can not provide a true on off pulse due to its inherent curve in base voltage over output, and I keep frying them. My coil is pulling +/- 1 amp at roughly +/- 7hz, very clean on off on a scope to the ms. The spark gap consists of 2 brass rods lathed to a point, I found both electrostatic and magnetic properties when using brass and only brass produced both. The wattage, well I haven?t begun to take those measurements until I see higher gain in the new Tesla transformer. But I think a static generator would be a better source, or if I could get that dynamo Tesla was using. But to prove the theory I will stick with my current source which produces the voltage type I need.
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What we need to remember here is that SM's device is not an "ether" device. Although ether may be involved somewhere, it gains it's power via a current gain by collecting and multiplying kicks. The kicks are identified by a mechanical jump caused by the induced magnetic field interacting with the earth's magnetic field(remember the page out of the book, and the jumper cables experiment, which I was able to do), as kicks occur in the bailing wire segments successively, and the current moves around the outside of the toroid, this mechanical force causes the gyroscopic effect, and rotating magnetic field, it is a MECHANICAL FORCE moving around the outside of the device, this is why it's bound together so tightly. It would likely unravel itself if it were not. As with any motion, it tends to like to stay in motion. This is also why you see the little tidbits of a conversation between Mannix and SM regarding using it as a motive drive system of some sort.
In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential use of the coil to provide motive force:
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
If it were an ether device, it would have no heating problems. All accounts I've read of Tesla's and Gray's work, have indicated that it runs cool. To get back to some basics, and a clearer focus, perhaps we should go back and re-read some pre-page 45 stuff. As we tend to get off the known path after a while around here.
@Dean
I was not talking about using the spark gap for any kind of permanent mode of accomplishing anything in a finished device.
Just as a method of introducing a quick jump of current in wire with a sharp rise time, in order to measure kicks.
We can wind some coils to do this, or simply work with some wire.
A system that would use a spark gap as part of it's operation would be more related to a tesla device, or defenitely a Gray device, his conversion unit was a spark gap surrounded by a mesh, and a resistor on the other side of the gap.
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Hi gnostik,
I assume the first part of your latest post was in response to my post about Aspden.
You missed the point completely.
Here is a scholarly work on how the power of the initial kicks is amplified, whether those kicks come from a magnet or the aether or whatever.
If you negatively pulse a discharging capacitor, it rebounds with gained energy from the aether, so the theory
says.
In all my reading, this is the first time this has been explained so eloquently and simple. So, when it's time to experiment, instead of just pulsing dc, you pulse with a positive and then a negative in time with the frequency of the circuit. Maybe this is the control mechanism of the SM device. By just varying the pulse width, you control gain. It is interesting this Piggin paper was in 1983. about the same time SM started as I recall.
A self-resonate coil of wire would also be a cylinder capacitor and subject to Aspden's theory. Although, later in his notes, he thinks parallel capacitors would also work.
I take issue with your statement that there is a mechanical force moving around the outside the device. This implies mass and inertia. What is going on is a cogging effect with the magnetic field of the earth and the rotating fields of the device.
Tishatang
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No I was not repsonding to you tish. You can take issue with it if you like, but go back and read, and re-read all of Mannix/SM's remarks and the hints they were dropping, you'll see these kicks definitely have a mechanical component.. The mechanical force is just an easy to see indicator. The gyroscopic effect that is demonstrated is the result of thousands of those "jumper cable" experiments on a small scale. Remember, they said your training will not help you with this, you will have to drop all your preconceptions. I agree with you to a degree that it's a "cogging effect", but not as you simply state it. If it's simply a cogging effect, we should be able to see the same reaction by tying a magnet to a string and swinging it over our heads. The fact is, without some kind of amplification, the earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to cause too much drag at all. Least of all no visible effects. Something else is happening here.
Something happens in ALL wire when current is suddenly sent down it. The book was simply explaining why filaments fail over a period of time. It was explaining that this kick causes micro fissures in the surface of the material which eventually causes it to break. Find a lightbulub with a loose filament, you know the little springy kind. Flash it really quick. Watch the filament, what does it do? Why do lightbulbs always burn out when you first turn them on?
Let's use some conventional analogies to talk about "electron" flow. When electrons flow down a wire is it a bunch of particles all freely zipping down there at the speed of light, completely unencumbered? Sure, for a very short time, after that, it's more like those little pendulum office toys where one ball hits a line of balls and the end ball shoots off to repeat the process. Wow, mass and Inertia! Is there not inertia there? Do electrons not have mass? But initially when they are all struggling to become ordered in that first short time frame (microsecond? picosecond?), they are all pushing and shoving like a bunch of highschool football players trying get a good place in the lunch line.
The kick always happens, in all wire, "when a current is first caused to flow" in it. SM has noticed, that something special is happening here. The earth's magnetic field should not be strong enough to cause this kind of interaction, but yet it does seem to. So why does a small magnetic field in a wire react so strongly to the earth's magnetic field?
This is all I'm focusing on, I was not responding specifically to you. Is the energy gain caused by ether? Perhaps. But that comes when the current is caused to stop flowing abruptly at the peak of the kick ;)
By the way, do you know what happens when current is cut off abruptly? Voltage increases to compensate. And it increases dramatically, in order to create it's own path. Is this the cause of his increase? Who knows. But a CURRENT component is needed to keep the kicks going. We do know that.
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Some updates on my experiments. As I posted before the same spark setup same kicks. This time I changed the configuration of the coil to document differences. Currently I am using a ferrite rod about 6†* ½“, one end wrapped 6 times with heavy gauge wire and the rest wrapped with finer mag wire. When the spark gap is firing just right not really sparking but hissing, very small gap with magnets very close to the gap, I get 1ma when I diode one side of the secondary an I can light a 9watt florescent light about 50%. When I point the copper wire at an electroscope the leaves separate, only when I point the wire at the electroscope pickup, not if I put the wire beside it. The compass moves back and forth with the pulses not just one way as in a typical electromagnet. When I remove the capacitors there is no effect regardless of how I set the spark gap. When I replace the core with a steel rod same dimensions there is nothing, no voltage nothing. Going back now to the ferrite core I wrapped another rap around the outside of my secondary coil. Get this, there was no increase in the output if I connected the 2 together to form a double rap coil, there was less ma. Also I noticed the second rap on my secondary almost seem to fight with the first rap of the secondary. From there I connected a small separate coil to my milliamp gauge and moved the coil from the edge of the primary to the end of the secondary. Amps were strong at the end closest to the primary and dropped off as I moved to the end of the secondary. I then used the same coil and connected it to my oscilloscope, the volts closet to the primary was 65 on an AC wave, the wave was at +- 2.6MHZ as I moved the coil towards the end of the secondary the volts rose to 110 the frequency remained. Tonight I want to change the secondary windings to a smaller gauge of wire to see what difference this makes. Conclusion: The amps seem to pile up at the primary side and the volts seem to increase latterly or down the length of the secondary. I know what you are thinking … but overlapping wraps on the secondary produce no better results and I noticed that when the secondary was double wrapped with tape between the layers there was arching between the layers. One more thing my high voltage coil is drawing 200ma but when the gap is just right and the secondary is producing max amps the input drops to about 175 ma.
Camster    ÂÂ
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Hi cOmster,
it is hard to follow, what you are doing, if you post no schematics diagram of your circuit...
How much input power do you feed your circuit, when you can get the 9 Watts fluorescent bulb
to light about half of the full brightness ?
Thanks.
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Ok it's nothing fancy. But here is a fast drawing. The part after the HV coil is by Tesla's Specs.
Camster
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Possible enhancement: Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch. It will provide a constant source of switching. They work quite well into a standard power transformer. (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit).
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Possible enhancement: Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch. It will provide a constant source of switching. They work quite well into a standard power transformer. (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit).
Ah yes I understand what you are saying. I did a lot of testing on that side of the circuit and found that using a cmos to drive the unit could not provide the sudden, violent drop to 0 in voltage. Now if a power oscillator or cmos setup is watched on the oscilloscope at high frequency there is a curve to the on off pulse. Seems no matter what I did, used a 555 timer circuit to drive it or my function generator in combo with a NPN Transistor, I always had a curve in the on off pulse going to the coil, capacitance I know. However using the switch gives a much better pulse with vertical lines and no capacitance. I think Tesla intended this circuit to be driven by a electrostatic generator. Wonder how long it would take me to build an electrostatic generator? I want to try other cores on this setup to see the results. I was surprised the steel rod did nothing. I wonder what copper will do???
Camster
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Perhaps what you are looking for on the input side of the circuit is a small spark gap on the relay contacts as it opens up and closes? A solid state circuit will not do that. But a mechanical contact will... How about a model T spark coil for input??? It uses a contact that vibrates and pulses the voltage into the coil mechanically.
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Model T you say... I have to admit that is a little before my time. But you are dead on with the fact of the small spark gap on the switch. Know where I can get a set of model T points :) ? I guess you could say my switching device is modeled after a 70Â’s ford before electronic ignition.
Camster
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This type of circuit should pulse the battery into the high voltage car coil. You would have to 'play' around with the values of the resistor and cap. to vary the speed of the chatter of the relay.
The relay should start with power on it, pulsing power to the car coil as well. When contacts pull apart, it discontinues power to the car coil too. (When the contacts are open on the relay, it disengages the relay coil power and then discontinues power to the car coil, except for the back emf). This cycle repeats over and over. The rate of charge on the cap determines the speed of the relay cycle rate.
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Great idea, lets compare what I am doing verses your circuit. I attached a pic of my logic. What I was trying to achieve is to be able to adjust the frequency of the pulses with the rotation of the cam. I then need to adjust the frequency of the on time verses the off time which is the width of the gog or cam lobe. I have found that a millisecond switch on time with a longer off time to allow oscillation in the vintage :) coil works the best. With modification to your circuit, I think I may be able to achieve this and allow me to adjust easer the timing device. But I’m not to concerned right now with the input driver as I am seeing promising effects on the Tesla side of the circuit and want to concentrate on this side. I much appreciate yours and anyone’s input. It would be nice to find someone in my area who would want to do some serious Tesla experiments with me. Its takes so long to try each little thing, document it and wrap some more coils.
Camster
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You are welcome to use the circuit if it will help you. I just pulled it out of thought, it is only one of many variations of that type of circuit that one oculd use. It may not be as fast as the rotary setup that you have. But it is simple and easy to use. Kind of a thow back to the time of Mr. Tesla. :)
I hope you have much more good success with your circuit.
Liberty
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Hi all,
Links to explain maybe how Tesla, Moray and Mark get the power gain.
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm
Aspden proposes energy gain from concentric capacitor. Mark TPU has similar form.
Capacitor plates could be on inside and outside edges?
http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.html
Well i have had some time to read and digest these links and it realy seems to reinforce the general narrative so far, including the most recent posts, synchonisity at its finest.
Thankyou again for sharing these with us all.
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I have been studying the videos very carefully and finding them more impressive every time run them. However, I have one observation that I'm hoping someone else can shed some light on. Why do the two decorative floor standing lamps, when operated from the wall socket, initially glow very brightly when switched-on and then dim down? This does not seem consistent with what should happen with a normal tungsten lamp when operated on a normal mains supply. The same effect can be seen when they are plugged into the device, although the first lamp is off camera at the moment it is switched on. I have not noticed this effect on the other deomos.
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Not sure, but could it maybe be the camera iris adjusting to the additional light??
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Not sure, but could it maybe be the camera iris adjusting to the additional light??
Maybe but why don't we see the same effect on any of the other videos?
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I didn't like that video for the specific reason it could be dismissed too easily by the skeptics. I prefer some of the others myself. So I never really paid that much attention to it. I didn't even focus on the dimming effect, I focused on the base of the lamps.
the video where he shows the plain old utility sockets connected to the board with ten bulbs, to me is far more impressive because you know there can't possibly be any hidden power source... no base. See what I mean?
Not that I think the video is invalid or anything like that, just not much use in a debate against disbelievers.
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Hmm, I wonder why Steven Mark has no interest to become the biggest inventor
of the 21st century...
If you look at all the things Tesla has done 100 years ago,
Steven Mark would also be the biggest electrical inventor,
if he comes forward with his invention and does not hide anymore...
If you watch the Video about Tesla,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2256433507046558974
Steven Mark could be
the same for our time frame, but it seems he has choosen
not to get famous and rememberedin history... at least not in
the wider public...
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I didn't like that video for the specific reason it could be dismissed too easily by the skeptics. I prefer some of the others myself. So I never really paid that much attention to it. I didn't even focus on the dimming effect, I focused on the base of the lamps.
the video where he shows the plain old utility sockets connected to the board with ten bulbs, to me is far more impressive because you know there can't possibly be any hidden power source... no base. See what I mean?
Not that I think the video is invalid or anything like that, just not much use in a debate against disbelievers.
The colour of light from the bulbs is also interesting. I agree that the other videos look much more convincing but why did Steven leave himself so open to question with the 'floor lamp' video??
I want to believe in this as much as everyone else but we all need to be very aware of how easy it is to trick the eye. You only have to look at TV programmes featuring our best magicians to understand this.
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Hello,
Any body trying vacuum tubes?
I have some tubes from www.tubesandmore.com and I plan on building a Dynatron or a Transitron Oscillator
which works in the negative resistance region. I want to find self oscillation in a tank circuit. I belive this is a Key to the TPU.
army_theory.pdf under oscillators
here: http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm
Mike
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At 21.55/57.05 on the video counter, why does the guy testing the large device walk over to the camera man forcibly push the camera down to point at the lamps and edge of table and what do you see hanging down below the table under the fifth lamp from the RHS?
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Hello,
another Theory about Magnetism.
Magnetism
Alternate Energy Research
Pages Presented by David Lowrance
http://magnetism.fateback.com/
bye
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Has anyone seen this http://www.nutech2000.com/prod136.htm (http://www.nutech2000.com/prod136.htm)
or has a copy of the video ?
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Does anyone know why the Steven Mark videos have disapeared from: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ?
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Let me guess;
1) It will be said the MIB's shut them down :'(
2) We were told by the legal team to remove the material 8)
3) To much traffic and we are trying to resolve the issue so everyone can view ???
4) Thing don't work???? ;D
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Or perhaps its because we can see the strings attached ;)
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http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=Steven+Mark+ ;)
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Thanks for the link Nali 2001.
Take a look at video 2 at 00:19:02 to 04 on the run counter where he moves the device to a different area of the room to demo that it can work 'off bench' so to speak. After illuminating the light bulb why does he appear to be removing something from each of the device terminals before returning it to the demo table?
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I do not wish to upset proceedings but has anyone come closer to what SM had built.
Also has anyone tried to contact the patent owner mentioned who might be willing to come forward. He lives in Asia.
I am not being negative but dont feel like going back through 129 pages of posts. I did post one re SM background which was removed and I guess it was wrong of me at the time to put anything negative about his past or some of the others he was associated with.
Kind Regards
Mark.
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Question for Mannix.
In reference to the post that begins: "One day in a land under the noses of all the kings there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king.", was this your interpretation of what was happening within the device or was the story from Steven? Thanks.
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There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.
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There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.
I do not see any similarities other than there being a toroidal coil.
What parallels are you drawing between the two devices ?
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There are some clever people posting here but I think that you should try to base your comments on your research or the research of others in order to keep it real. Here is some research I have done based on certain authoritative sources.
I'm sure we can really make some progress by studying reports on reverse engineering of UFO's and other UFO related authoritative documents. Is it possible that Steven has been directly involved in this field??
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There's alot of this - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1283.0.html - that looks like it relates to the theories being talked about here.
I do not see any similarities other than there being a toroidal coil.
What parallels are you drawing between the two devices ?
For one thing - the use of an iron tip on the conical coil form. There has been discussion here about *why* iron wire was used. This "patent application" explains the use of the iron.
The next thing I see is that the device described at that link uses a shifting magnetic field. Speculation here is that the Marks device uses a rotating field... hence the gyroscopic effect.
"Toroidal fields" sucking ZPE (as postulated by some) seem less likely than simply using the shifting field to create a current in a collector coil via inductance.
Also... the power input is tuned to the natural harmonics of the total device to spike the output. This is more evidence that the same processes are at work with the Marks device - though it's obviously tuned to the power generated by the approaching magnet.
In general... what this link describes is a device that moves a magnetic field without motion and creates current. That is certainly what Marks has developed... if not in the same configuration, it's still likely that it's the same process.
The device described at that link seems like more than bullshit to me... if only for the descriptions of how magnets really work. The inventor is in line with Leedskalnin... and Leedskalnin provides simple experiments to prove his theories.
This device is not a duplicate of the Marks device. But - I believe that the technology described there, may help in understanding what is happening with the Marks device.
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Please refer to the pdf file of the Patent Application for their Solid State Energy Generator (toroid, coils, magnets) from this news release (yesterday) from Magnetic Power Inc.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
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Welcome back bob and tao. Long time... I haven't been posting much either, as I've been trying to get my own site up.
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Thanks Tao.
We should also mention that JackH's valve... and the flynn parallel path... are proof that a small amount of energy at the right resonance can get you more than you might figure out of a magnet.
I think it's also related to the spike associated with resonate LC circuits.
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Please refer to the pdf file of the Patent Application for their Solid State Energy Generator (toroid, coils, magnets) from this news release (yesterday) from Magnetic Power Inc.
http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
Many thanks for this information. Have downloaded the PDF of the patent. I can't fault the logic/theory anywhere. To make a practical device there will need to be more flux linkage. i.e. More radial wires through the cores either through larger gauge wire or more holes. I suspect there is a fine balance between having enough magnetic material around the radial wires and having enough copper to tap into the flux linkage efficiently.
But this is only an issue for people like us reading the patent wanting to try to replicate a working device!! They obviously have a commercial working version of this device.
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This is an interesting patent. However, no mention is made of the I/P to O/P power ratio, so this will need to be established with replication. Stevens device presumably differs from this to some extent as according to his statements, he does not use a battery or power supply to provide input power. I agree with Bob that a lot more flux linkage would be needed to make a practical device.
For replication / proof of concept purposes, instead of having to obtain suitable drilled magnets, how about each magnet comprising of two magnets placed in magnetic allignment on each side of the 'collection' wire loop?
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Bob,
At this tage they do not have a working prototype giving out continuoes power. They will need to build one to complete the patent process, and they are confident they will. But at this stage your assumption is incorrect.
Kind Regards
Mark
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This is an interesting patent. However, no mention is made of the I/P to O/P power ratio, so this will need to be established with replication. Stevens device presumably differs from this to some extent as according to his statements, he does not use a battery or power supply to provide input power. I agree with Bob that a lot more flux linkage would be needed to make a practical device.
hmm, I've read every single post regarding the Steven Mark device on this forum, and I don't think I've ever read that he said he doesn't use any batteries. However, he doesn't say that he does either. Since his smallest device puts out 300 Watts and the largest puts out 1KW approximately, it's pretty safe to assume he doesn't use a battery that can provide the power it generates, if he did, the battery itself would be a device worthy of a Nobel Prize. Could you please provide a quote?
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hmm, I've read every single post regarding the Steven Mark device on this forum, and I don't think I've ever read that he said he doesn't use any batteries. However, he doesn't say that he does either. Since his smallest device puts out 300 Watts and the largest puts out 1KW approximately, it's pretty safe to assume he doesn't use a battery that can provide the power it generates, if he did, the battery itself would be a device worthy of a Nobel Prize. Could you please provide a quote?
I fully appreciate that Steven has not confirmed whether or not he uses batteries at all in his device. My presumption that the new patent was not the same as Stevens device is based on my view that the new device needs continuous input power to drive the resonant circuit and that this level of power is not available from any battery that Steven could 'hide' within his device, especially the 300W and intermediate model. I apologise if my post was misleading.
I do not understand why Steven should avoid confirming whether any battery is used, given that IMO his device would be more credible if a battery was required. As you will be aware from my previous posts, I have studied the video evidence very carefully and am not impressed with what I have seen.
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This seems nothing like the Steven Mark device to me. Not that it isn't valuable in it's own rite, just not all that relevent. This works nothing like what Steven has described of his device. No kicks, no earth's magnetic field.
It is a resonant LC that utilizes magnetism sure enough, but not the TPU.
It is however, very interesting, and deserving of it's very own thread.
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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@Nostradam
looking forward for your diagrams.
Many thanks.
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I'm thinking about , and i don't understand something - why SM devices are using power of earth magnetic field ? I think that field of any permanent magnet is much more greater ??? or there is important some fluctuations of magnetic field ? i wonder if these weak fluctuations can produce so much energy ? It seems that Steven Mark self not fully understand the nature of that things, he says in video "we can't explain why the device is stopped when turning upside down" ...
Maybe he means by "KICKS" these many many fluctations in period of time ? ::)
And if we imagine ... in some day there are millions or milliards of people using these devices, what will happen with earht magnetic field ? maybe that will disappear ? :o
The magnetic field is resonating at 7.4hz(estimated). It cannot be "used up" anymore than a magnet can be "used up" by passing a coil through it's field.
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The magnetic field is resonating at 7.4hz(estimated).
Estimated!
I know it is a crazy contribution. But look here:
http://khmer.cc/community/t.c?b=1&t=2559
"so by 2006 june the 6 at 6.18 pm california time the earth heart beat will jump from a 12.999 cycle per secound to a 13 hzr or cycle persecound"
Esoteriks?
Bye
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With all due respect... your being such an ass is part of the reason some people question the validity of the device.
For the record - I know everytime I see lightning strike that "mankind" has no idea what electricity is... and that there is obviously (nearly) unlimited potential energy in the atmosphere. I'm also sure that some have understood it in the past, that some do now, and that others will in the future.
I am willing to accept the marks videos for what they appear to be... and I do not dismiss his claims of overunity.
But your attitude towards anyone who dares comes within a mile of questioning this device is uncalled for and downright RUDE.
You say that "doubters" serve no purpose except to clutter the thread... well, you sir are the pot calling the kettle black.
Instead of posting a page of nonsense attacking people... why don't you post ONE coherent post detailing what you know about the way the device works?? WITHOUT using metaphors and parables.
Can you do that? ???
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thank you. :)
A moving magnetic field in a solid-state device - meaning no moving parts. Sort of like the JackH valve, the parallel path, and the fluxite device... except the initial power comes from the permanent magnet approaching the device.
I realize that all of these devices are different - but the underlying principles are the same... you think?
And seriously, thanks for being polite. We're all after the same thing.
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Hello Everyone,
Here is some information that may give us insight into the interesting gyroscopic effect that the device has. I found this PowerPoint presentation from www.americanantigravity.com and it talks about how ferrous materials like mu-metal wire (or Iron) can have strong anti-gravity effects simply by passing an ELF signal through the windings! It is very short, simple, and to the point; definitely worth a look.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/DeAquino-Comprehensive-Gravity-Control.pdf
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi all,
I finally found a reference I had lost. Here are some quotes.
http://www.rexresearch.com/newman/newman.htm
"My interpretation of Newman's original idea for his motor is as follows. As a thought experiment, suppose one made a coil consisting of 186,000 miles of wire. An electrical field would require one second to travel the length of the wire, or in Newman's language, it would take one second for gyrotons inserted at one end of the wire to reach the other end. Now suppose that the polarity of the applied voltage was switched before the one second has elapsed, and this polarity switching was repeated with a period less than one second. Gyrotons would become trapped in the wire, as their number increased, so would the alignment of electrons and the number of gyrotons in the magnetic field increase. The intensified magnetic field could be used to do work on an external magnet, while the input current to the coil would be small or non-existant. Newman's motors contain up to 55 miles of wire, and the voltage is rapidly switched as the magnet rotates. He elaborates upon his theory in his book, and uses it to interpret a variety of physical phenomena."
Newman theorized atoms gave up some of their mass, so, it would also relate to the recent antigravity post.
" His greatest technical problem has been high voltage switching".
Sounds also like Steven Mark quote.
If someone could come up with Joseph Newman's book THE ENERGY MACHINE OF JOSEPH NEWMAN, there might be additional clues.
Description of Newman Motors ---
Newman's motors may be described as two-pole, single phase, permanent magnet armature, DC motors. That is, the armature consists of a single permanent magnet which either rotates or reciprocates within a single coil of copper wire. The coil is energized with a bank of dry cell, carbon zinc batteries. In the rotating models, which will be emphasized in this paper, the battery voltage to the coil is reversed each half cycle of rotation by a mechanical commutator attached to the shaft of the rotating armature. Motor operation is sensitive to the angle at which the voltage is switched, and this is optimized experimentally. On some models, the commutator also interrupts the voltage several times per cycle, creating a pulsed input to the coil.
The coils are constructed with a very large number of turns of copper wire. In all models, the coil inductive reactance is much larger than the coil resistance at operating speed. However, the coil resistance is large enough so that even in the locked rotor condition, very little current flows through the coil. The motors typically draw less than ten milliampere so that small capacity batteries (e.g., 9 volt transistor batteries) can be used in series for the power supply. Self resonant frequencies (frequency at which the coil inductive reactance equals the coil distributed capacitive reactance) are typically on the order of the armature rotation frequency. The permanent magnet armature is very strong, and TIGHT COUPLING TO THE COIL is emphasized in Newman's later models [emphasis added]. His early models used up to 700 pounds of ceramic magnets, while later models used smaller armatures made with powerful neodymium-boron-iron magnets. The commutator is protected by fluorescent tubes placed across the motor. Enough tubes are placed in series so that the battery voltage will not break them down. When the coil is switched, the tubes are lit by the resulting high voltage, minimizing arcing across the commutator.
Newman's motors exhibit the following extraordinary characteristics:
1) High torque is realized with very little input current and very little input power. The battery input power is typically several times smaller than the measured frictional power losses occurring when the armature rotates at its operating speed. His motors are at least ten times more efficient than commercial electric motors (perform the same work with one tenth the input power.)
2) The batteries last much longer than would be expected for the current input. It has been demonstrated that "dead" dry cell batteries will charge up while operating a Newman Motor, and subsequently be able to deliver significant power to normal loads (e.g., lights). The batteries fail by internal shorting rather than be depletion of their internal energy.
3) Significant rf power is generated by the motor (primarily in the ten to twenty megahertz range). The rf is a high voltage relative to ground, and will light fluorescent or neon tubes placed between the motor and ground in addition to lighting the tubes placed across the motor coil. The rf current flows through the entire system, and has been measured calorimetrically to have an rms value many times larger than the battery input current.
EXPERIMENTAL DATA
A large amount of data has been collected by many individuals on the various Newman Motors. While Newman's most recent prototypes are perhaps the most interesting because of their reduced volume, I will present data on his original prototype large machine which has been more extensively investigated. Measured motor parameters are listed below:
COIL PARAMETERS:
Weight ........................... 9,000 pounds
Copper Wire Length ...... 55 miles
Coil Inductance ............. 1,100 Henries
Coil Resistance .............. 770 Ohms
Coil Inside Diameter ...... 4 feet
Coil Height .................... 4 feet
ROTOR PARAMETERS:
Rotor Weight ..................... 700 lbs. ceramic magnets
Rotor Length ..................... 4 feet
Moment of Inertia .............. 40 Kg-sq.m.
Magnetic Moment ............. 100 Tesla-cu.in
BATTERY PARAMETERS:
Battery Type ..................... 6 Volt Ray-O-Vac Lantern
Total Series Voltage .......... 590 Volts
DYNAMIC PARAMETERS:
Torque Constant ................ 15,400 oz. in./amp
Drag Coefficient ................. 0.005 Watts/sq.rpm.
Q at 200 rpm ..................... 30
Power Factor, 200 rpm ...... 0.03
The torque constant was measured at DC and agrees with calculations. The drag coefficient was measured by plotting the motor speed versus time after disconnecting the batteries. It was found that the decay is exponential with the drag torque being proportional to the angular speed. With the motor operating at 200 rpm, the following measurements and calculations were obtained:
RESULTS: 200 RPM at 590 VOLTS
Battery Input Current ............ 10 milliampere
Battery Input Power .............. 6 Watts
Rotor Frictional Losses .......... 200 Watts
RF Current (rms) ................. 500 milliampere
RF Ohmic Losses in Coil .......... 190 Watts
Additional Loads ................. Fluorescent Tubes
Incandescent Bulbs
Fan (belt driven)
The frictional losses are computed from the measured drag coefficient. The ohmic losses are computed from the coil resistance. Without considering the additional loads, it is seen that the output energy of the machine exceeded the input by a factor of 65!
Oscillograph photos show that the current waveform is dominated by the very large spike which occurs when the magnetic field of the coil collapses. The leading edge of this spike is shown in Figure 1. The staircase current rise is typical of the Newman Motors, with the width of the stairs in all cases being approximately equal to the length of the coil winding divided by the speed of light. Although the average current in the spike is at DC, the actual current waveform under the stairs is pulsing at a frequency of about 13 megahertz. The time average current in the waveform agrees with the calorimeter measurement of the rf current
PHENOMENOLOGICAL THEORY
A phenomenological theory of operation is suggested here, which involves the following sequence of events:
1) The battery is switched across the coil and a current wavefront (gyroscopic particles) propagates into the coil at a speed determined by the coil's propagation time constant.
2) Before the wavefront completes its journey through the coil, the battery voltage is switched open. At this point the coil contains a charge equal to the current times the on-time.
3) When the switch is opened, all of this charge leaves the coil in a very short time, creating a very large current pulse in the coil.
4) The magnetic field generated by this current pulse (gyroscopic particle flow) propagates out to the permanent magnet armature, and gives it an impulsive torque.
5) The magnet accelerates, and the resulting magnetic field disturbance of the permanent magnet is propagated back to the coil, creating a back-emf. However, by the time this occurs, the switch is open so that the back emf does not impede the current flowing in the battery circuit.
These notions agree qualitatively with the measured waveforms. After one-half cycle of rotation, a charge on the order of 0.01 Coulombs will be contained within the coil. From the oscillograph this is seen to be dumped in a few milliseconds, creating a current of several amps. This current continues to flow for some ten milliseconds before decaying to zero.
Lots to think about.
Tishatang
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"Lots to think about..."
But this is also noteworthy:
"My copy of the test performed by the National Bureau of Standards says that in a test, Newman's machine only returned 1 third to 2 thirds the energy put into it (the rest of the energy being wasted). Norm Biss of Erie Pa reports that he got his employer to agree to build and test a Newman motor. He found Newman to be ignorant of electronic motors and their assembly. Newman made a whole mess in the motor with 3 different kinds of glue trying to hold everything together. He broke all kinds of parts on the motor by over heating and using an 8 lb sledge hammer. They say Joe stole a key to the place and stole the device the day before qualified engineers were going to test it. More on this at: THE NORM BISS STORY"
http://www.phact.org/e/skeptic/newman.htm
I'm so disappointed with people not taking the consequences for their claims and actions... How can we rid this field of hobby experimentalists from these guys?
I began reading up on this OU subject a week ago, knowing nothing before that. I've been left feeling cheated about 99 times out of 100 when examining what critics has to say about all these claims. The only type of device I see possible of OU right now are the magnetic ones - like the Stephen Marks device (even though some critics have valid points against him). The most interesting device to me right now is the one that Hans Coler built in before and during WWII in Germany. This device has actually been tested by British Intelligence so...
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Hi Joakim,
I posted my link because I remembered something like the parable ala Mannix. I think Newman has a piece of the puzzle in stopping and starting pulses in a wire before the current has a chance to reach the end. Evidently Mannix feels this is a part of the Mark device to post his parable.
In regards to your posted link, I feel there is a lot of disinformation, especially in the point by point rebutal of Hastings by Tom Napier.
Tom Napier knows this is motor designed to run at self resonance of the coil, yet he treats the math as if it were a simple solinoid coil!
Trust Hastings here because he states the motor turns at the self resonance of the coil and that the Q of the coil is 30 in his example. When a coil is at resonance the voltage is multiplied by the Q of the coil. If you have 400 volts supplied by the batteries then at resonance you have 400 X 30 = 12000 volts in the coil. Also, the current would decrease dramatically. So, all the numbers Napier is using do not apply at resonance.
In addition, when you have coil whose wire length is greater than 1/4 wave length, standing waves appear within the coil! The incredible length of Newman's coil must have all kinds of standing waves in it. Maybe this is where the high frequency in the megahertz range comes from. This is not addressed by Hastings or Napier.
It must come from all those rich harmonics in those standing waves. Here is a reference:
http://www.ttr.com/corum/
The later Newman seems out of character from the early Newman. Maybe, he was on to something, and the powers that be couldn't just do him in because of his high profile. So, maybe they just beamed into his head messages from God? This technology is available to the spooks for a long time, and is now becoming commercial in that coming soon to local dept stores are displays that talk only to you in your head when you stand in front of them.
Be aware that a lot of critics are paid disinformants to steer you away from energy freedom.
Tishatang
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This is interesting.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
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Kennst Du den schriftlichen text dazu?
Das gab es vor 2 Jahren im www !
Ein Ger?t das 300Watt (900 Watt) liefert
und mit radiant energie arbeitet.
Es gab eine Serienfertigung Katalog und Preisliste dazu .
Leider sind s?mtliche Hinweise dazu aus dem www verschwunden (unter anderem auch aus keelynet)
Wer hat die Texte kopiert und kann die HIER einstellen?
translation:
Do you know the written text in addition? That gave it before 2 years in the www!
Equipment the 300Watt (900 Watts) supplies and with radian energy works.
There was a quantity production to catalog and price list in addition.
Unfortunately all references to it disappeared from the www (among other things also out keelynet)
Who copied (2004 this)? and can the texts the HERE adjust?
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does anybody replicated this???
or just Steven Mark?
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@Nostradam
many thanks for finding this.
Looks like it is really Steven Mark, his voice sounds familar.
Hmm,nice prototype.
The only thing what bothers me is the flat wood
thing plate in the upper case half.
What is behind it ?
Could there be any flat sized batteries be hidden
or is there just a flat coil behind it or something simular ?
Also this unit does not seem to have the effect, that it doesn?t work
when one puts it upside down !?
The magnet seems tobe pretty strong in this unit, so is this some kind of hint ?
Also the magnet is now fixed inside the coil, so no movement between coil and
magnet.
If this works somehow via Barkhausen Resonance effects, I wonder, if
the 2 mentioned transformers are just impedance transformers
to match the impedance of the 25 Watts bulb or if they play any
other role in it ?
The circuit board surely looks a bit like a switched power supply,
maybe it is from a 12 Volts DC to 120 Volts AC converter and
changed and fitted to the Barkhausen-Resonance application ???
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What is curious, that the maybe ? flatcoil ? behind the wood panel in the
upper half case seems to be in series with ths output bulb
and the transformer.
The wire from the big transformer goes first behind this panel
and then comes back to the bulb, so transformer output coil,
panel and bulb are in series !
That means, if the thing behind the panel is really a flat coil
with lots of capacitance or a flat condensor,
then the transformer and panel thing must be in resonance and
this seems to be an LCR circuit, where the 25 Watts bulb is the R load resistor.
Regards, Stefan.
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we don't need a transformer to ligth a bulb..... why does he use one?
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we don't need a transformer to ligth a bulb..... why does he use one?
Maybe the output voltage of his earlier device is to low?
In his newer (toroid) designs he could fit the coil windings to get the right voltage
to drive a 120 volt light bulb directly.
And I am able to relate if he worked with small voltages on his first experiments.
This will reduce te "Ouch-effect" ;D
Markus
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Is it just me or is the guy in this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6540638039071490742&q=magnet (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6540638039071490742&q=magnet)
probably the same guy from this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=utterly+amazing (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=utterly+amazing)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403&q=utterly+amazing (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4298347669641896403&q=utterly+amazing)
I reconized the way he talks\explains and also the voice sounds familiar.
Also the guys wears the same rings on both hands in both video's.
Big ring on right hand and smaller ring on left hand. Conpare the video's!
Does not per-se proove anything. But I'm quite conviced this is the same guy.
The plate probably is made from the same material as the rods.
What do you think?
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@Nali2001
No, these are 2 different guys, although I must admit they sound
pretty much the same, but if you have seen the other Steven Mark?s
videos you can see, that these are 2 different persons.
The name of the Asian guy from the Rods video is unkown to me.
Does anyone know the name of him ?
It was speculated that this might be a fake with small
button-sized battery cells hidden inside the rods stacked up for around 100 Volts DC.
But you never know.
Regards, Stefan.
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I think what everyone has been missing in this whole thread is the importance of harmonics!
finally tao has stumbled upon a link that has great implications of a harmonicaly balanced ( or unbalanced ) system that has potential. However with Stevens
TPU you have all of the advantages with few disadvantages. maybe everyone should take a look at the relevance of harmonic balancing. I have seen several prototypes of devices that could have benifitted from a little balance. you should all stop and take and think about the natural balance of the uuniverse if you think you are going to tap into it. you might want to look very closely at the infomation at "heartbeat200.com" some of the ideas about how phi and pi interact might help alot in figuring out where to place magnets on a two dimentional plane to get your desired effects. if it can be done?
Mywork is clearly focused on creating at least A THREE DIMENSIONAL MODEL. i just don't think it can be done intwo. creating a three dimensional model is tough. so i hoppe someone can accomplish in two.
to tao thanks for the referece but i don't think it will ever be able to fulfil the needs of mankind as a whole. maybe you can have enough power in your lifetime to survive, but i want AC (air conditioning). Thanks for the help on not having to recharge the batteries on my cell phone and laptop.
please lets not kill tis thread. it might be the best chance we have!
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Here is my interpretation of a three dimensional model
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1453.0.html
Kind Regards,
Dean McGowan
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I'm 8 pages in and the story is thrilling...
I'm betting the "harmonics" might relate to the Schumann resonance, but I'll have to see whats revealed page by page. I've been researching this device since I first saw it's demo video on youtube, and I'm happy to say since the advent of the internet its impossible to supress information... if people are only willing to share it.
<smirk>
Well this is my first post on this site but recently I've found myself doing a lot of research here, so I'll probably be here for a while (or at least till I find an energy source). I wouldn't mind a plot spoiler on this 140+ page novel that may or may not contain informaion on its actual construction.
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Hi, is it what You are talking about?
Hope it helps.
http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
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Hi, is it what You are talking about?
Hope it helps.
http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
Looks like exactly what I was hoping to find...
Wow... Thanks Savy!
Is that the "Steve Mark(s) Device" or just something similar?
If it is the "SMD", then have there been any replications yet?
In other words, does anyone know for certain this phenomenon is 'real'?
(I must admit this would be the greatest invention ever if sustainable)
I'm going to reveiw this patent info further now to see if it includes the
exact winding/wiring details. The whole world needs this device now, it is
the metaphorical 'kick' we all need to get back to true sovereignty.
Mr. Mark if you are reading this, I know you'll make the right choice and
share this technology with the world soon... Till then I wait in excitement.
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dean
thanks for the post i think you might be on to something. have you considered the effects of combining both phi and pi in your concept. i think that the harmonics and mathmatics really are going to start to line up if you do. three bar magnets are great but what about six? how did you arrange your inner magnets to call them phi? have you looked at 18 and 19? might be easier than a whole refitting. let me know. have you considered takin your phi spiral to asphere within a sphere instead of a cone within a cone?
how about making it a solid stat sphere in a sphere? seems to me magnetic flux is spherical so to take ful advantage of the power of maqgnetics and also be able to manipulate for maximum power we are going to have to start thinking at least in three dimensions. not saying it can't be done in two,but it seems to me that there will be a big difference in output between a circle and a sphere.
thanks
sam
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Here's a (modified, better) cross post from another thread made to ask
about the MPInc solid state disk generator.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1437.msg11670.html#msg11670
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Overtone, I believe it's not as complex as you imply it is.
Sure it depends on magnets more than S. Mark's devices,
but still!!
To me it looks deceptively simple, (yet...
that damn flux is puzzling me!) here's why.
Best Electromagnetic Theory
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When one looks at electromagnetics from a moving electron standpoint,
(without an unless magnetic field abstraction, take a look at the New Magnetism
of Distinti @ http://www.distinti.com ) a magnet being modelized as a one
wire loop of n amperes, it's easy to conceive and even calculate rougly
what's going on (with the the disk alternator in mind): if each magnet is modelized
as a square (full effecton/no effect, since orthogonality prevails)
wire of x amp, then one can easly modelize using the now free NIA1
document what's going on. Look on Distinti's website for more details.
http://distinti.com/distinti/ne/ne.htm
http://distinti.com/docs/ =>> To get access to all his papers
I need to recall that for him inertia arises from electron acceleration,
nothing else need to be used to explain it.
The Disk Alternator
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The Magnetic Power Inc device makes the Disk Alternator,
the most simple to build alternator from a guy in Laval, Quebec, Canada
US Pat. Application 20050099081 @ http://pat2pdf.org almost
obsolete, since it's the same basic idea, except the magnets are
not moving. Now, if we take into account the 5-6 thousand
hertz Steven Mark was able to pulse its cores at, it would
mean that the solid state electrical generator is similar to
a disk alternator driven to circa 70,000 RPMs!!
There are other similar patents for alternators with coils on a disk
with spining magnets over them, can't recall the names nor numbers.
Adding to that the toroidally wound generator in the Sullivan patent,
20030025416 @ pat2pdf.org
and the low-loss rotating flux transformer patents from Westinghouse
4639610 and 4595843 @ http://pat2pdf.org
one can start understanding of what possibilities are out there.
Basically, saturate the core of the CEG to get free energy out of a
no-moving part flywheel, at least it's what I understand about it.
The Sullivan patent says backtorque appear only when core's saturated.
JNaudin replicated it.
Rotating Flux Generators
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The CEG, 20030168921, is the 4595843 patent applied to electrical
energy generation. The best way I know of implementing the
blaxbox box is SHE (Selective Harmonic Elimination) sinewave synthesis,
more commonly known as Magic Sinewaves.
I uncovered from this thread a reference to another rotating flux
patent(s, should I say), the ones from Chung Huyn from Huyn Laboratory Co Ltd,
about this exact same principle of inertia in rotating flux, dating as far back as 1986.
The CEG was thus already discovered, it's almost a natural thing to do/try, to
almost to fully saturate a non-moving core with moving "flux" and play in that area. There's
even a French-written Morocco patent about this CEG/Rotating flux technology,
which is more like S.M.'s device than MPI's since it does not need magnets as much.
The patents uses the phrasing "travelling magnetic field", which is what bothers a
physics student who wish to get rid of the B field abstraction.
Here's how distinti came to see flux: it might change, but still interesting.
http://distinti.com/docs/classfluxan.pdf
I have not studied nor applied it to anything, but would seem to be the
way to go to explain logically an outdated theory about flux lines.
Sorry to make you read that poor phrasing, will think about it more thoroughly.
Almost-Bifilar Winding Enhancement
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Regarding the modeling of the drive coil's effect of the Gundersons device,
one has to think Fynn et al 's Parallel Path technology (newest patent 6342746).
The Parallel-Symmetric coil idea by Erl Koenig is worth of mention too.
It is contained in this US patent, 4806834, which state 25% current
reduction for the same magnetic effect is possible. (His 4584438
patent is a great application of this parallel-symmetric coil idea,
along with the more recent 5977707) It smells bifilar winding.
I recall that bifilar winding make the voltage between adjacent
wires V/2 (half Voltage) instead V over number of turns and I recall
all the potential applications ala TEP, much like using it as a capacitor
Energy Saver, which diminishes peak power but extent the "workfullnes"
of the stored charge couple times more, as one shorts a series capacitor
across the load when it becomes almost full. George Wiseman worked
on this problem, experimenting the serial/parallel capacitor concept with
washer fluid pumps.
The Anonymous poster's explanation of the Marks device
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg10964.html#msg10964
mention at the very first point the transistorized bifilar
kicker of Bedini, which is similar in action to the Time Energy Pump
project, which material might relate to the Mark device.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/scalwidx.htm
Negative Damping Phenomena
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Magnets opposing one another act as a negative damping coefficient
spring, as Cyril Smith posted I can't recall where (steorn forum IIRC).
He points out the Delta Tooling Co. US Patent 6232689 about a press
using big&powerful rectangular magnets with one of them rotating,
thus using the negative damping effect to replace classical hydraulic
systems.
Conclusion
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I'm pretty sure the Gunderson device is home buildable from
the combined information in the aforementionned patents.
It's easly modelized and easly built IMO. But one never knows
until one tries, that's for sure.
I recently read the first few S.M. comments about the
difficulties of understanding his device, will read the others
as soon as I get time to give.
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Hi, everyone.
I want to ask You one question: can You just built it, and check, if it works??? Please, help me. I have no access to the materials, or place to do it myself at this time. But I always have this question in my head...does it really work??????????
It is only two coils, few magnets, and torroidall ferrid... or maybe I am wrong?
Or if You have ANY OTHER progect, or You know any thing working, please let me know!!!!
Hope to hear from You soon.
Savyasaci
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Sam,
Out of respect I should really continue this discussion in the appropriate thread, however I hope no one minds this one post.
The phi spiral is evident when you lay the piece of paper I have inset in the second cone pic, flat as opposed to being inset as shown.
I intend to post more information soon in the appropriate thread once I have some more compelling results to offer, though I thought It was worthy of detailing and showing my efforts thus far. My version 2 model will be of similar scale yet I intent to employ much stronger magnets.
I will exhaust these options until I begin to change the basic design. Anyone who would like to try and replicate my efforts need only contact me and I will supply a full set of instructions as to how to proceed. No catches, no holding back of any information whatsoever.
Thankyou and Kudos to the Steven Marks device.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
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:)dean
i wil take that under advisement and meet you on the appropiate site. thank for your effort. i still would like some help on my sphere in a sphere idea. i think we can achieve great things if we mesh phi and pi!
thanks
sam
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I see so much diatribe and group hugging.
Forget the complex and just stay with the basics. Nobody gives a dimn about spewage. It just chases people away. Create your own conspiracy.
Reverse engineer the Stephen Marks 3" ring. This device seems to be the real thing by the mp4 video. 8)
That is what I am doing. Hence my avatar. I have posted to get input from anybody on specs. As I get them my avatar will change until that fateful day when I appear in the news as interviewed or dead.
Let's get real.... 8)
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is it the same circuit, invented by Steven Mark? - http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
Or not the same?
Can anyone, please, give me direction in Internet on S.M. circuit, if it is different.
Thank You
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is it the same circuit, invented by Steven Mark? - http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
Or not the same?
There is every indication that Mr. Marks Device don't use any ferromagentic core.
(for example in one of the videos some people hold/wave about a speaker-magnet directly to a small device, but no attraction occured)
So this circuit seem to bee different.
Regrads, Markus
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Thanks Markus
By the way, look what I found, wery simmilar to the previous one,
http://www.cheniere.org/references/MEG_Patent.pdf
if it can be usefull to anyone...
Savyasaci
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savyasaci,
thank you for your eagerness, but there is already a MEG-section in this forum.
So, please, first look for the right place befor you post your informations.
Otherwise you would macerate/adulterate a well defined thread/topic.
Thank you. ;)
Markus
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The Steven Marks videos are extremely impressive! He refers to an Earth 5 KHz source. This seems to be where he's getting the energy.
I just wish Steven would get this device out in the market already since he does not want to publish, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons. Does Steven have a web blog so we can see what he is doing? I just can't justify him taking nearly 10 years to market a working device. This is a legitimate question.
BTW, does anyone have any clue as to what type of energy this 5 KHz might be? ... Very interesting!
Paul Lowrance
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Here's a thought. Over continents the Earths crust is typically 30 kilometers. This is really a long shot, stab in the dark, but at the speed of light it would take an electric wave 200 usec to traverse down and reflect back up. 200 usec is 5 KHz. So if by some small chance the Steven Marks device is acting like a directional Earth antenna then it makes sense that if you reverse (turn up side down) the device that it would stop working.
I have no idea yet what the speed of electric waves would traverse at 5 KHz. That's pretty low frequency so it very well could be near c.
Here's a simple method for Steven Marks to test this theory. Just take the device far out in the ocean. We know that the average Earths crust thickness is only 5 kilometers under the oceans, which would bring the resonance up to 30 KHz.
http://www.livescience.com/technology/050407_earth_drill.html
Paul Lowrance
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The Steven Marks videos are extremely impressive! He refers to an Earth 5 KHz source. This seems to be where he's getting the energy.
I just wish Steven would get this device out in the market already since he does not want to publish, which is unfortunate for obvious reasons. Does Steven have a web blog so we can see what he is doing? I just can't justify him taking nearly 10 years to market a working device. This is a legitimate question.
BTW, does anyone have any clue as to what type of energy this 5 KHz might be? ... Very interesting!
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,
as I can remember, he only limit the frequency to 5 kHz, else it would continuously step up to a higher frequency until it will destroy the unit.
rensseak
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Hi Paul,
as I can remember, he only limit the frequency to 5 kHz, else it would continuously step up to a higher frequency until it will destroy the unit.
rensseak
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?
Paul Lowrance
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In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin
to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes
the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. It is important that you note
that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received
by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of
conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes
to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?
Paul Lowrance
The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.
rensseak
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Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?
Paul Lowrance
The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.
rensseak
rensseak,
May I ask where you are getting your information from?
Paul Lowrance
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Thanks rensseak. Is there a place where I can read about this as it sounds very interesting? So essentially Steven has made units that were 2.5 KHz, 1.25 KHz, etc?
Paul Lowrance
The unit get warmly so may be it is a save frequencie.
rensseak
rensseak,
May I ask where you are getting your information from?
Paul Lowrance
From Mannix and what he wrote for Steven Mark in this forum. OK, it's not an information, more a conclusion/combination of me. Sorry for misunderstanding.
rensseak
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No problem rensseak.
Everyone,
Steven Marks provides some interesting info. He vaguely mentions something about frequency patterns that can change, but that is not actual frequency. He says it resonates at 5 KHz and also has a physical vibration at 7.3 Hz (not KHz) even though there are no moving parts. We know there Earth has numerous resonance's around 7.3 Hz depending what level. There are many levels to Earth from the hot Mantels, to the upper crusts, to the ionosphere and beyond.
Also we know his machine contains a solid-state rotation very much like a physical motor. The more I think about it the more likely it seems he is tapping into Earths energy. This could be the hot mantel, which is roughly 20 to 80 kilometers down, but varies depending where you are located. Or it could be the D-layer ionosphere, which is 50 to 90 kilometers up. Either one could resonate at 5 KHz resonance depending where you are located. Also it would explain why the machine does not work when you flip it upside down. Other effects would be constant variations in effectiveness, which his device also shows in the videos and Steven mentions this. Such variations could not come from the Earths magnetic field because Earths magnetic field does not vary much at all from hour to hour much less minute to minute.
No offense to anyone, but this machine scares me, lol. So please enjoy this research as I'll spend my time on other devices and on my own device. If it is true that he is tapping into Earths energy, then it would spell such global havoc if millions of people tapped into. I cannot even begin to imagine the concequences. Perhaps the big boys in the secret government took Steven for a ride to show him exactly where the energies coming from and to convince him that 7 billion people extracting this energy would kill the planet. I understand a lot of people think Steven is simply cutting magnetic lines and getting free energy from no place, but I very much disagree. So I think Steven Marks device is legitimate. IMHO it is a very scary machine that I'll stay away from. :)
Peace,
Paul Lowrance
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The humming sound is the copper loops vibrating against each other. This is noticable in household appliance transformers except that they are baked in varnish to squelch it otherwise the plates chatter. :-\
When I worked at Keystone Transformer in Philadelphia my first job was to dip the terminal leads of the transformers in acid after they cooled from the ovens and then they sit on a rotating table while the acid dissolves the varnish off the male leads. My next task was to air blow the residue off and then they would go to testing.
My next job was to actually load up the coils with plates and seat that in collared frames.
Just a little trivia.
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The humming sound is the copper loops vibrating against each other. This is noticable in household appliance transformers except that they are baked in varnish to squelch it otherwise the plates chatter. :-\
When I worked at Keystone Transformer in Philadelphia my first job was to dip the terminal leads of the transformers in acid after they cooled from the ovens and then they sit on a rotating table while the acid dissolves the varnish off the male leads. My next task was to air blow the residue off and then they would go to testing.
My next job was to actually load up the coils with plates and seat that in collared frames.
Just a little trivia.
Yes, those old humming appliances. ;) Giantkiller, appliances in U.S. hum at 60 Hz, not 7.3 Hz. Also hums are sign of loose windings in coil unless were talking about massive amounts of current, but even so Stevens device hums at 7.3 Hz. It seems Stevens device resonates at 5 KHz. This would causes vertical resonance waves at ~5 KHz while at the same time the wave would also resonates around the globe at ~7 Hz. This is something the great Tesla discovered.
I see Stevens device as using the Earth as magnetic material in a similar fashion that other devices such as the MEG use a magnet to flip the process so as to collect Magnetocaloric energy. That could explain why Stevens device does not work upside down because you're essentially the electronics don't know the process flip. Since the process flipped the role has changed so that you can no longer collect the Magnetocaloric energy.
Essentially Steven created an open field rotating magnet that spins at roughly 300000 rpms! That's a pretty cool idea as long as just a few people play with it, and not a few billion.
Paul Lowrance
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Ok, it has been ten years of coils from Steven Marks and no schematics. I had read a writing from Freedomfuel and he alluded to something not quite right. And yes, Freedomfuel, if Steve truely had something he'd be dead. Nobody can make money on this. That takes public eye time and the MIB will find you. The oil machine is well oiled. So...
I put this to the world: Anybody producing a schematic to me will not be known and I will make many of them and give away 1 each to the first 100 people. It would be up to you to announce to the world. Or we run some kind of fantasy ring and report new applications here. And so starts the next ring out. I don't need to make any money off this. This pure and simple form of energy is meant to be free. I have seen Tesla's movies. And brothers, I know it can be done. After all "Man cannot fly"!
Computers really didn't take off till everybody got one. I remember in 1983, when I got my Apple computer, my friends and family thought I was nuts. I mean, what the hall is anybody going to do with one those things in the house?
Now look at us.
Back to my offer: I am thinking that each 3" unit should cost $50.00 U.S. to make. By the time the 100th is made the world should be in an uproar. My cost is $5k. Peanuts. I've run $160,000.00 a transaction shorting Oracle in the stock market multiple times on any given day. Need more proof? October 1st is start of the fiscal year. Oracle license fees are due by the end of the fiscal year, September 30. Guess what their stock price does? Every year 'It goes up' when the revenues are reported. Get rich! There are so many ways to make money without working it's pathetic.
Give me a schematic and let's get on with it... Put up or shut up. The world is round so I can run circles around it.
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If You happen to get schematic, give it to us, the sooner the better. It is the best way to preserve something, by giving it to everybody, and it is safe for YOU, You will not remain as "target" any more! So, You can have it for much longer.
Savya
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And your response, brother, is what I want the most. Without solidarity on any issue, we live in darkness.
You are #1 to receive. This response will be your proof of purchase. ;)
I have repeatedly watched the steven mark video at the 3" ring section. I do know electronics and what I see looks plausible. What could be done is the ring is actually a messy grouping of nicads. There are no parts of any of the videos that actually prove to the viewer that there is vibration or gyroscopic torsion. In a previous post Freedomfuel stated that 'with that kind of field generation the video should show some noise'. I agree. But this is new and 'all things are possible'. Also I hope that Steven Mark is not playing the viewers for fools. I also agree with Freedomfuel that the possibility of a tilt switch is there. All one has to do is incorporate a mercury tilt switch. Then you get tilt and magnetic attraction in a capsule package that could be hidden. Steven uses a magnet on a 6" black unit. The same one that doesn't work upside down.
It is hard to tell if he is trying to 'rook' the investors or the viewers or both. I have been involved with personalities like this before and it all smells the same. I was withholding this view before until I read Freedomfuel's post. I am a newbie to this site but have been done the 'inventor's road' for many years. Everybody want a true reality. Some want it so bad they make shat up. Too me it seems like this cosmic aether view sounds like a new age crystal worship, but for guys. Guys don't want pretty, they want motive force. That is why we do guns and motors.
Anyway my offer still stands. Too all: "Let's kick some butt".
And to Steven Mark or any one posing to be an intermediary: Cut the sh*t. Your story is running out. This same pattern is going on with the Joe cell. It takes some people, but only the people who are new. The vintage viewers just call it for what it is and go away. :'(
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I think it might be best in this case to separate the opinions from the facts & possibilities.
First here are my opinions. Before I studied the facts I too thought Steven might be a scam artist, but now after pondering upon his device I can see other possibilities that IMHO have higher probability.
Resonance is a powerful thing. We see what a miniscule force can do to a huge bridge if properly performed. It is possible to find resonance between the Mantel layer and the Earths surface. With each cycle the forces add up. If I'm correct, then Steven's device is highly localized and would need fine-tuning when moved from city to city. In fact, I would imagine that such a technique would not work everywhere. This could be driving Steven crazy and prohibiting him from marketing the device.
One thing is for certain. It is possible to build a device that causes such vibrations due to resonance caused by a high speed rotating magnetic field.
IMHO it is a blessing that Stevens is having difficulties. A machine that instantly moves energy from the inner Earth to top surface is dangerous on a global scale. There are too many other devices with better potential that are safe such as the MEG.
Paul Lowrance
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Has anybody done a 'google:steven mark'
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
Oh, dear...
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The information could be true, or not true. That is the nature of a google search, lol. Just recently I was searching google for scientific information on emissivity of certain materials, which you would think you could trust such science web pages. I found every contradictory answer under the sun for the exact same material. Internet information by itself can be vague, false, and sometimes contradictory.
Paul Lowrance
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Has anybody done a 'google:steven mark'
http://www.padrak.com/ine/SMARK.html
Oh, dear...
This has been posted many times in here... It's hogwash. They guy is a known slanderer. You can completely dismiss it.
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Thanks Freedomfuel. I think we just disagree and have different opinions unless you know something specific about Stevens device and the MEG that I do not. If I am correct about Steven's device then it instantly moves energy from the Earths mantel. Tornados and such do not move energy from Earths mantel.
I don't think any of us can say for certain how Steven's device works due to lack of detail as compared to the MEG. I very very much disagree with you on the MEG as Naudin provided extreme details, which show "free energy." I would very much like to hear your detailed reasons why you feel the MEG is not a "free energy" machine.
Paul Lowrance
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Thanks Freedomfuel. I think we just disagree and have different opinions unless you know something specific about Stevens device and the MEG that I do not. If I am correct about Steven's device then it instantly moves energy from the Earths mantel. Tornados and such do not move energy from Earths mantel.
I don't think any of us can say for certain how Steven's device works due to lack of detail as compared to the MEG. I very very much disagree with you on the MEG as Naudin provided extreme details, which show "free energy." I would very much like to hear your detailed reasons why you feel the MEG is not a "free energy" machine.
Paul Lowrance
Steven's device is a hybrid of the MEG and Tesla's work on capacitive discharge and current-less waves. More so the Tesla work though, that is the heart of the Mark device.
In my mind, the Mark device in no way uses energy from the Earth's mantel. The only reason Steven said that his device used the Earth's magnetism was because of the idea Steven got from reading old tecnical manuals on vacuum tubes and the effects of increased current at the start of current flow. Those manuals and other references simply didn't know the source of that increased current so they just said it came from the Earth's magnetism. Also, saying that the device works on the Earth's magnetism makes selling his devices that much easier then saying they run off cosmic rays or the aether or something else that is quite intangilbe and away from mainstream thought....
And regarding the MEG, it most certainly works, but the problem is that converting the uncurled-A potential(tesla waves) into regular 'current' can pose problems, another reason why Naudin used a 'conditioned resistor' to attempt to figure the power output.
I agree, after reading back through my tesla stuff, and the stuff that gray did... I'd have to.. Radiant energy is the most likely root of the power in the mark device. However it runs hot, or at least one of the coils does. What's unique about it is how he captures the radiant.
The capacitors, the buzzer(black thing in the center, for pulsing the dc), the diodes, the magnet at 90 degrees... it all fits. the circuit fits gray's circuit quite nicely, however, marks "splits the positive" a bit different than gray did. I can't explain the large coils.
It's interesting to note however that it's a combination of Teslas work. The rotational magnetic fields and the radiant. He generates power (or steps it up) with one, and captures it after the split with the other.
Gray's coil would jump 2 feet off the table when a switch was thrown. Tesla witnessed people dying from being zapped by the tendrils coming off the coils at 90 degrees. quite a "kick" I would say.
Resonance also plays a big part. There was a magic circle that tesla noticed in which he could place a helical coil, induce the effect, and watch tendrils of cold electricity crawl all over it. Different frequencies and distances caused different expressions of the energy.
Sometimes very deadly, other times very practical. The wireless power transmission, and death ray were the same effect, just different expressions of it, and utilized slightly differently. Kind of the diffrerence between a floodlight and a laser. Hundreds of millions of volts in tesla's devices. But those were powered quite agressively for startup power.
To really understand the kicks, you need to read tesla's patents.. A good suggested read is "the secrets of cold war technology" and Lindemann's "free energy secrets of cold electricity". Tesla also spoke in front of a host of engineers at one point, the transcript of that is a good read as well.
Unfortunately there's not much reading on Gray's device that comes from gray himself. He was a true student of Tesla, and sought out people who actually worked with Tesla in his research and development.
At any rate, I ramble on. SM's device works, and it's worth studying further, along with Gray's, Moray's, and Tesla's work. It's worthwhile work, but you can lose a lifetime to it rather quickly, and with very little reward. Success comes after much experimentation and investment in equipment, I'm sure.
Then again.... I could be wrong, SM could be interpreting it perfectly well. After all he said the device's on/off behavior is exactly the opposite in the southern hemisphere.
Who knows. As long as we're in the dark about the details, we'll never know for sure.
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Then again.... I could be wrong, SM could be interpreting it perfectly well. After all he said the device's on/off behavior is exactly the opposite in the southern hemisphere.
Who knows. As long as we're in the dark about the details, we'll never know for sure.
I agree that anything so far is only speculation, as you said, "As long as we're in the dark about the details" Indeed who would not want to work on something as exciting as Telsa's radiant energy, but even though I believe radiant energy is for real, IMHO SM device does not extract energy from radiant energy.
I think you mentioned something very important that should demonstrate the energy is not coming from radiant, "the device's on/off behavior is exactly the opposite in the southern hemisphere." Perhaps we should focus on two coincidences.
1) The device vibrates at 7.3 Hz. This is a Earth resonance as waves traverse around the globe. Slight frequency variations depend which layer of Earth the wave is traversing around the globe and the frequency of the wave.
2) The device resonates at 5 KHz. This could match resonance between the device and the top Mantel or between Earth and the D-layer ionsphere or perhaps both. :-)
3) The device is directional and needs to be pointing a certain direction relative to Earth. This seems to also support the idea that the device is extracting the energy from Earth, most likely something that is directly below or above the device.
Does anyone know why Steven has not marketed his device? I can only speculate that the device does not work in all locations.
Paul Lowrance
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Has anyone considered going into UEC offices and see if they can talk with management about this device. Actually..are there any offices to go to? If they do exist, it might be interesting to find out more about this company and what products (if any) it produces.
Just a thought...but we might get some better ideas of what is happening with this technology or what kind of people are maintaining this technology. 8)
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UEC shall have some patents about special coil materials .
A search about UEC will not give solution because there is not an official
"headquarter" !
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Hi Kosh,
This 7.3Hz is just a wild guess based on feeling the vibration with the hands.
It can be ANYTHING below say 60Hz...
Could you please tell us where you get this information from? I don't recall Steven stating it was a wild guess. When someone provides a number down to the 1/10th of a Hz then they are usually certain of it. It kind of sounds silly to say the vibration is 7.3 Hz when it is 60 Hz, lol.
7.3 Hz should be a big clue. :-)
Paul Lowrance
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is this the mentioned UEC corporation ?
http://www.uecus.com/aboutus.htm
Does anyone know for sure if this is the UEC company we keep discussing. If so, are there any Floridian readers close to this place that would be willing to make a visit to this place?
Better yet can Mannix get Marks to verify whether this is the company or not?
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And I doubt a person can measure a 7.3 Hz mechanical vibration just by hand. That is silly!
Steven never said it was measured by hand and actually it would be extremely easy to measure. There are a lot of methods. A simple & cheap method is to use a speaker and a frequency meter or scope.
Paul Lowrance
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Back on page 16 an anomolous TV set was being talked about, I posted a piece on one in the old yahoo forum.
Isn't it when you broadcast a minute signal to an antenna and receive a larger signal than you would without the broadcast to be considered gain. If you can project a magnetic pulse into a larger field couldn't you somehow attract some of that larger field to the core of source? If you could I would assume this to be gain. A coil (aircore) sends out a pulse that's said to be infinite. So some is lost. No core present to limit the flux growth. But if we insert a core at the correct time and then colapse the field would it pull additional flux from another field. This core can be inserted using an electromagnet that holds no residual magnetism. I know I am mouthing off before I read all 155 pages, I'm sorry, and at my age I should know better.
Stephen , I can't get the link to energycoil44.jpg too work, can you fix it?
I stop and think of all the work I've done to try to iliminate the kick, we first blamed current source inverters of producing the pulse ( spikes going above 100KV) also open transition to close transition spikes). So forgive me I won't crack a book yet, I am accointed with this kick and marvel it can be put to use. (made it to page 20)
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Hi Tao,
this is very important information !
Did you get this information directly from Steven ?
have you been in email contact with him recently ?
What else did he email you ?
Better post this again in the Steven Marks thread also.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Tao,
so is this the configuration of the 1 KW Mark?s unit ?
So 3 copper coils ontop each other with some control coils
wound around each copper coil and around all 3 copper coils...
hmm.. so the copper coils work as the output ?
Are the control coils then iron wire coils or also copper coils ?
How does he squeeze the water-juice out of the wire, without using
any energy ?
Is this some kind of Lentz law violation resonance effect ?
Tao,
maybe you can post your ideas in steps so not all
in one posting but your ideas you have now already and
the next ideas then next...
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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This all makes good sense.
2 coils works like a Tesla coil and the 3rd is the collector coil to tap off from, much like a secondary only this would be a trinary arrangement. Could we have here a Telsa coil? Fat, squatty, and umphed up? The discharge is controlled instead of through the air. Could one use construction grade cardboard tubing, like what is used for concrete pylon forms? How about PVC. Just thinking of a base for winding. If you look at the SM17, it looks pretty crisp all the way around the ring.
So once again, we have
1: coil specs, for the 3 coils, gauge, number of turns, and seems direction.
if one looks close at the SM17 you will the outer layer is made up of vertical runs. Anything from 16 gauge to Romex(120v, 12 gauge) household? LOL)
2: clocking circuits. The Tesla coil idea could answer alot of questions. Is 5Khz in the range.
google: what is the frequency range of a tesla coil.
!!!And check this out!!! http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm (http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm) ;)
http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/trashy.html (http://www.angelfire.com/80s/sixmhz/trashy.html) ;D
3: Any power, kick. I would tend to think a kick start is what is used. Remember the magnet start? And come to think about when SM engergized the 3,6,17 coils, there could have been a momentary switch to a charge cap?
Thanks TAO.
Commitment, Coordination, Completion!
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Good Morning, Viet Nam!. That's the best Robin Williams I can do except the one about Golf.
After further research...
Is anybody out there not sleeping, jumping out of bed Googling questions 24/7, talking about things at work like you're a nut case?
Obsessive, compulsive, creativity is your disease! But I digress!
I found some web sites with very informative, good specs on Tesla coils and what is on them are specs that fit what Steven Mark has and my claim that the coils are Teslas but with what I think are additions.
If you Google: what is the working freq of a tesla coil or what is the frequency range of a tesla coil ...
then http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/tesla.shtml (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/tesla.shtml)
then http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html) 4mhz coil link from above
then http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//index.htm?http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/millietess.htm (http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//index.htm?http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/millietess.htm) Derek Woodroffe's MillieTess project, the cutest little Tesla coil, 2" tall!
then http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/mtcct3sr.jpg (http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk//millietess/mtcct3sr.jpg) the circuit. Notice the ZTX push / pull stage.
Now back to the 4mhz coil link from above: http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfcirc.gif (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfcirc.gif) Notice the ztx push / pull stage
Now if you look at the SM17, you see to large cylinders on top of a heat sink in the center of the device. I contend that they are either a pair transistors as push / pull coil drivers or a pair of Class E oscillators. Look at 'Enter the Class E amplifier?' on
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/hfsstc.html) and focus on the switch explaination. Another similarity, oh my gosh! I feel a party comin' on. In fact!, read the whole darn page. If you don't know electronics, try any way.
This could be stretch, but here goes. In the SM17 (Steven Mark 17" coil), underneath the heat sink are 4 AA batteries connects to a buck/boost circuit to boost the voltage or current only to start the circuit and ever so lightly tap the clock circuit. The coil KICK, back EMF, or the harmonic resonancy does the rest based on the tuning. So me thinks... But we all agree, 'There ain't much there'. :o
Just for grins: http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3cw3z/what.html (http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3cw3z/what.html)
This is relating to light generation from high freqs and the connection to UFOs is inescapable. After all, are not our base measurements started from a frequency identification chart? A Tesla coil that generates Ultra-violet? Sure sounds like the NASA videos again...
This is gonna' take us higher ;) ;)
I have the 6" coil in my avatar mounted and will explain and shoot out doco tonight, hopefully in time for the evening rotation in Europe.
It's been two days of googling in the squirrel wheel. I gotta take a bath. My dogs are looking at me like I'm food.
If stay within your boundaries, you will never see what's real. 8)
I am in the 'Friends and family' program. They are all wondering where I at... :D
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Thanks Tao. Yes I am big fan of the craft stores also the cloth stores like Hancocks.
I forget about the styro toroids. Man, good snag. I now can duplicate the 6" in my avatar with this new model. Perfect fit!
But as you can see about the avatar the coils are attached by connecting blocks making it totally programmable. Like the old phone bank switch panels. Cool, huh?
So my stance has always been in these threads 'I am willing to do the hardware with any sound ideas upto my discretion. I reserve the right to keep the logic on the decisions short and sweet with minimum flexative diatribe'. Kapeesh? That is the standing offer to all. Tao, let me know if you think the circuits I found look like a fit to you and any misgivings you have about them. I address all here also.
Remember that the smaller circuits are readily expanding into higher power models quicker. And as Tao pointed out (God bless his techno heart) use the simplest materials at hand. We get there quicker!
Also, I have an R&D company and have been at this since I was 12. Designing, hacking, prototyping. My goal always is to come out smelling like a rose on any design problem. No vanity here. What I mean is "Commitment, Coordination, Completion". Those words embellish the team spirit and group coordination. Give me bit here and I will throw the doco here. You can see by my avatar, "I mean business, I mean done". Sounds like Donald Trump, huh? Once again, anybody need proof? Google: Doomrod
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Hi giantkiller,
I like your go get-em attitude. I'm all about the bench testing also. Just today, I went to the hardware store to get a few feet of 3/8" clear vinyl tubing that I will be using to wrap the collector coils and control coils on. To do this, I will cut a length of the tubing to make the diameter toroid that I want (I'm shooting for something in the range of 4-6 inches in diameter). Next, I will split the tubing along the length and wind a bunch of either 16, 20, or 24 gauge magnet wire (haven?t decided which yet) through the inside of the tube to make the collector windings. I also ordered some litz wire on eBay to experiment with later on too. Next, I will wrap four coils around the outside of the tube toroidally in the same fashion as you to make a rotating field when I pulse the input signals into it.
I will also make two other tube sets like the first to make the three collector/control coil sets. After doing some testing, I may also wrap some wire around all three of them toroidally to see what that does. But I have a sneaking suspicion that I will get some revealing results just with one tube for now.
The biggest challenge I face at the moment is how to properly phase shift the input pulses to the coils by 90 degrees to get the fields to rotate. My immediate thought is to wire it like a two-phase motor and use a capacitor to offset the second set of coils by 90. Another thought is to make each coil pare a tank circuit and then feed the frequency into one and let the other one oscillate through induction from the first tank. (Have no idea if this will work like I think though). How do you plan to offset the input signals by 90 degrees?
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. Does anyone have any theories on what the third toroidal coil that is wrapped around all three collector coils does? It is clear to me that the "coils wrapped in segments" around the collector are meant to make some kind of rotating field, but I'm not sure about the one that is wrapped all the way around all three.
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There shall exist a third kind of energy !
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If anybody has digitals of their devices, then by all means make it your avatar in your Overunity profile. Let's show the world what we're doing and hijack this stagecoach! Everybody gets on board and all is safe. We spread the knowledge and no one can be fingered for starting something or creating the wrong device. Oh dear...
Blow minds, not souls
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As you can this diagram matches my avatar.
Looking at the terminal blocks one can see that the coils are total open for any type of coupling.
This basic configuration is also open to coil changes. 8)
The windings are spelled pretty clearly.
And so are the Automotive connections
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Hello to all of you
I?m new here and please excuse me for my very bad english but i think you will understand me. I am in electronics for 30 years and like you trying to replicate Stevens TPU.
Maybe I had sucess??
Here is what I made:
3 horizontal coils (colector) conected in series and 1 long coil (control) wound vertically over the 3 colector coils.
On one end of the control coil I have supplied 12 V DC and on the other end a pulsed signal from my signal generator.
The result: Kicks of 320V and very low current.
I?m measuring this kicks with a very cheap meter and I know that this kicks are not so real but I see that here is something going on.
Pegards
Otto
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Lets take the next step. It's deep... :o
As you know the human race uses bands of frequencies for different purposes and in those bands there are combinations or chords that produce even greater effects.
Don't you think that there are just as many areas in the magnetic realm? How big is your God?
Examples are:
If you look at the Hamel disk: http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shamel3.htm (http://www.linux-host.org/energy/shamel3.htm)one can see three layers or three high speed rotating magetic fields.
Unfortunately he is doing it mechanically. But by his description of the 1st and 2nd devices and what they did when they worked, point me to 3 stacked fields of different sizes and different speeds. This looks to be a virtual high speed Tesla coil! The amount of flux lines crossing creates 2 layers of higher speed control which then points me to the two frequencies used by Hutchison: http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html. (http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html.)
Electrically we can alter the rotation speed of the coils and thereby change the interference in the 2 control layers.
Hutchison has reproduced the 'Philadelphia experiment' with a Tesla coil and another interference frequency. The more power the greater effect. But he is having trouble pinpointing the control focus on the objects. I believe he is experiencing the same lack of control the lifters exhibit: http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm) These experiements are at the field edge, not centered.
The next step we take is to the movie the 'Philadelphia experiment' with Kurt Russel. Yeah, I know Hollywood. But hear me out.
Once again we see a large field, cloaking/light distortion, matter distortion and transference, and time distortion/travel. The metal ship was in a sea of salt water and became invisible. Big field, big metal device creating the field. The main character, Kurt Russel, was right next to the generator and became highly charged. He walks away from the center of the field and the matter and time distortion effects start to appear. And we see massive light variations with wind! Other seamen who are not in the center, who are lower charged, exhibit ultra-high microwave type effects, Material distortion, levitation/transfer, heat. Kurt walks outside to the the deck, being charged at the center of the field is at a different field charge than those outside the center. His being goes a different route. He now experiences time distortion/travel. When he arrives at the new time he exhibits a charge capacity around metal objects, Just like a walking Tesla coil. My thinking would lead me to believe that eventually the charge decreased and he returned to his own time. He didn't suffer any damage, except slight burning.
Now that brings us to the next step: The Steven Mark coil. Everybody who replicates a Tesla coil always copies it in the tall model. The SM coils are squat. This is the next and most important step, for now we can get better configurations with mutliple coils, either stacked or horizontal or intertwined in some fashion. With the SM coils we see one attribute in this current configuration, but the other placements and frequency variations can produce other desired effects, like mentioned above. Just power and speed is all we need. I believe that the combinations of frequencies can be thought of in musical terms like chords. Be it nothing more than reproducable combinations for desired results. The same energy that lets you shove frequencies in your ears and eyes also cooks your food. Just different frequencies of the same stuff.
The resonant harmonics are produced at even higher speeds electronically. Which is where we want to go?
The main goal is get the interferences up to harmonic levels, create the field around something, fluctuate the harmonics. Just like the UFO sightings and the movie 'Philadelphia experiment' , anything partially in the field edge will experience some change. You've been warned.
Could someone please give direction to the web page in this thread that displays the SM coil 3 coil design?
Do any of you also realise that in this thread we have all the necessary information and knowledge to do these eperiments very cheaply? :)
Thank you all for your time here. I know what I must do and I expect this message to be a Shot heard around the world
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Hi Otto,
The results you are getting are quite intriguing! 320 volt spikes are nothing to snicker at, though I must ask how much DC current you were feeding into the coil (or did you just have one end of the coil on the DC source?). Could you please give us a detailed description of how your setup was constructed? I would like to replicate the effects that you are getting. I have an oscilloscope so I can see the details of the interactions in the wire.
@Everyone
Now that we have the idea of the rotating magnetic field settled on, we should start discussing how the feedback mechanism works for this device? Once the rotating fields start producing power in the collector coils, how does this resulting power get fed into the coils producing the rotating field?? Could this be what the third control coil that encompasses the three smaller control coils does? What do you all think?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Now that we have the idea of the rotating magnetic field settled on, we should start discussing how the feedback mechanism works for this device? Once the rotating fields start producing power in the collector coils, how does this resulting power get fed into the coils producing the rotating field?? Could this be what the third control coil that encompasses the three smaller control coils does? What do you all think?
God Bless,
Jason O
I had an ephiny, with the SM design what if those smaller internal coils are the feedback pickups?? maybe one is the tickler and the other is the feedback pickup?
Also, I was thinking that instead of 4 coils we use maybe 3 control coils wrapped toridally around the collector coils instead (three segments)? Then those coils are pulsed sequentially? If the collectors can be tapped we can rectify the output (or use a smaller collector coil) for powering the control electronics? Whaddya think?
Giantkiller, to your last question regarding control/trigger... (was thinking on this
As for the control circuits to KISS (keep it simple...), we use a 555 timer with its output run into a shift register or something similar and use the outputs to trigger some power transistors to handle the coil pulsing?? This would work for either ingnition coils (three of them or four) or directly powering the control coils. I think this is a good starting point what do you think????
This coming weekend I will be building my own TPU coil using the above ideas, 3 control coils and multiple collectors (3 main outs and one control power coil with full wave rectifiers and filter caps to check the outputs. I also like the idea of the capacitor to change the phase angle, but I think that idea would be best for 2 control coils.
I'll post more after I complete the build or if I come up with any other ideas. I'm getting a good feeling here, I think we are on to something.
Carl
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Has anyone rotated the field yet? Steven Mark's said study the toroid.
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Finally...
Great output from all! Now as you have seen from my previous posts, I document. And I will continue to place doco and pictures of the strides I make as I expect everybody else to do. The last 4 days have shown great hope with the amount of people contributing. That is what it is all about. Put pics there. Even if they are half-cocked. Graham Bell found the working telephone device by spilling acid on his hand and yelling.
I use Visio2k for drawing. Get it, learn it. do it. Or hand drawn and scan. It's all good.
All for one, and one for all
Starcruiser, you mentioned the 555 timer to a current driver? Done. I have a single signal channel with a tip41 output running but thought the power from the truck would be totally 'Tool Time Tim Taylor' to do. I'd like to be the first one with 90's Tesla truck!
jdo300: Welcome aboard this current trend. Everybody sounds like they want a piece of this action and that is good. All of our different backgrounds will be of benefit.
Well now that I've got the pro-active ra-ra off my chest I can say I am truly glad to be here in such a time as this. My idea of this is as we do our independant thing we are actually doing the greater good. I do appreciate the circuit suggestions to what I've done. This is gonna be fun. Experimentation is what lies between dreams and reality. Experience is the knowledge along the way.
And remember, get your avatars updated with a design pic. Show and tell always wins. It shows positive action to a down trodden world.
Let's change the world, friends. 8) It turns another day without change.
Tesla said 'Rotating magnetic field'. Those words haunt me into doing. I don't want to remember those words if I have done nothing.
And Tao!!! Thank you very much! Mountains of doco to light the path. Something has to come of all this.
If some of you haven't seen the NASA alien videos, get on it. They are truly here with demostrations of different frequency powers!
I go to the VLA and Roswell this weekend in care of www.bisque.com (http://www.bisque.com). I feel like Richard Dryfus in 'Close encounters'! LOL
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Hi tao,
Can you tell us where we can find these post by SM?
Thanks,
Paul Lowrance
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Hi Tao,
great thinking !
If the Mark units are really working on interfence pattern
moving along and inducing output inside the core copper coils,
then why does he need 3 coils inside the core ?
Why not just one coil and just a few control coils wrapped around it
to create the 2 opposite rotating magnetic flux fields ?
So if it has nothing to do with the Barkhausen resonance in
iron wires, I still wonder, if this rotating interference pattern
will need additional input power, if power is drawn from the output
coils ?
I don?t yet see the dragless operation of this !
Also if you use antennas to draw power from a transmitter,
the transmitter needs to generate this power first,
so the antenna is able to draw it all from it.
So if the transmitter and antenna are coupled, then the power is
just transmitted from the transmitter to the antenna and that?s it.
You need to put more power into the transmitter, if you draw more load
wattage from the antenna...
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Who invented the names SM13 to SM17 and were there any schematics posted ?
Where ?
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I came up with SM3, SM6, & SM17. I posted these purely as monikers so to concisely identify what every one was talking about. After all, these are the focus of the ongoing conversations. A level playing field is needed. Simple and unique. That is, if everybody agrees. SM made them and didn't even call them anything. Since the 3 devices have differences they need to be called different. Unless anybody disagrees. Do we need a voting contest, wait for SM to stand up to the microphone? I didn't see the need for complications. The next goal is to get the devices into the free world. I apologize if I didn't ask. I tend to move fast past the unnecessary. The initials do pay tribute to the man and the numbers to the devices though.
Sorry. :(
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Tao told me about his finds at craft stores in his search for air core materials. So I went and found numerous types of toroids and took pix.
I am concerned though about fire hazard. Styrofoam gases and smoke can kill. Very unpleasant.
There are 6" 8" 9" 12" 16", styrofoam, floral green foam, cardboard, press board. All very inexpensive. US 5.00 and lower.
There is also painted magnet wire. Looks like steel though.
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I came up with SM3, SM6, & SM17.
Hi giantkiller,
why the addition 3 , 6 and 17 ?
Where does it come from?
Why not SM100, SM300 and SM1000
for the Wattage output ?
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Hi all
JDO 300
Here is a description what I have done:
Everybody here is speaking about kicks and so I tried to get this kicks. First I took a 110 V relay (big coil?) and conected and disconnected very fast 12 V DC to this coil to see if there would be some kicks. I saw nothing!!
Then I took a electromagnet 220V from a water valve and again I pulsed tihs electromagnet with 12 VDC. Now I saw on my cheap meter very big kicks over 1000V. Ok I know that my meter is lying (I think so). I realised that I see this kicks when I FIRST touch the coil with the +. For myself this are the kicks we are surching for so I started to build my TPU.
1. I made a donat form from my cork plates. Outer diameter 6Ë (15,2cm), inner diameter 5ËÂ(12,7cm), height 1 3/4ËÂ(4,4cm).
Collector coils (horizontal)
2. From a coax cable I took only the fine litz wire and made a round coil. In one cable I had 95 wires and so I took for one coil 8 pieces of coax cable times 95 wires and so I have for one ring 760 wires.
3. Now I took one cork donat and on this cork comes a coil and then 3 cork donuts and the second coil and again 3 cork rings and then the third coil and then only 1 donat cork ring. In this way i have the height of my unit.
4. I tried this thing with all the 3 rings open or closed (the ends soldered together) but I dont see any changes so I decited to run this collector coils in series.
Control coil(s) (vertical)
1. The control coil (one coil in this moment) has 700-800 turns of 0,56 mm vertically wound over the collector coil.
This was the hardware and now the software:
I have a function generator with a sinewave, squarewave and triangle output with 5V dc output up to 100kHz (of corse self made). On this generator I can vary the frequency from 1 Hz to 100 kHz. The otput is connected to a transistor BDX33. The collector is connected to one end of the control coil and on the other end of the control coil is connected to +12 VDV. The minus of the 12VDC is connected to the generators output and to the transistors emiter. It is very important to figure out on witch end of the collector coil to connect the function generator and on the other end of the coil the +12 VDC(nonsence??) because if you conect it wrong you would have a big NOTHING!!! or at least lower kicks.
Now the collector coil: one end of the 1. coil (ring) is connected to a diode (with this diode i have bigger kicks)and then to a bridge rectifier (~). The other end of the 3. coil is connected to the bridge rectifier (~) but this end is also connected to a 2 or 4 uF capacitor and the other end of the cap is connected to the minus.
On the + and - side of the rectifier is my multimeter.
At resonance ( biggest voltage, lowest current) with this setup i have on the meter 45-50 VDC and 80VAC.
Now, if I connect the collector of the transistor (pulsed DC) to the bridge rectifier (~) i have 320VAC kicks.
When I held my hand NEAR the multimeter the kicks jumps to 400-500 VAC. When I turn the multimeter from north to say east I have different voltages. When I turn the multimeter from the horizontal position to vertical I have again other voltages on my meter. I forgot to say that the frequency is around 70-80 kHz (I think).
For this moment I have no scope but I will soon buy one. In this kicks is no current or very little so we can not speak about any power but for me it is interresting how this thing works. I have no compass so i dont know if there is an rotating magnetic field. My next stepp will be to wind a second control coil and pulse this coil with another frequency. I think there will be some nice things to see.
otto
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I would have to agree that SM3, SM6, & SM17 are good names. The wattage can easily change, but the diameter of a particular machine is fixed.
Those posts are spread across EVERY post that Mannix ever did. I have compiled all of SM's words into a text file that makes reading his words easy.
Tao,
Thanks. I can see Mannix's quotes of SM are valuable. Everyone should save these posts to their computer. I saved them, but it's not reliable as someone or group has been repeatedly hacking my machine ever since I started continuing my Magnetocaloric energy research. As a software engineer it's been close to 10 years that I've worked with computer & Internet security and after taking precautions I'm amazed as to how they are able to hack into my machine. I can watch their actions. It was just roughly a month ago that my entire HD was lost.
Anyhow, I wish Mannix would come back and post some more of SM. I believe "other forums" was mentioned. If possible could you please (re)post the links where SM or Mannix has posted on other forums?
Also, if the difference frequency or interefernce or beat frequency of the two is 7.8Hz, is this able to somehow extract excess energy by connecting with the schumman resonance.
Dave,
I see you have also made the connection. I just don't see how any radiant energy from the Sun holds up. Here's what SM says, "YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER, THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?"
According to SM's experiments, it is clear that his device needs to be pointing toward Earth. Also the 7.3 Hz mentioned by SM should be another huge giveaway.
Normally I wouldn't even bother mentioning that due to the weakness of the earths field, etc, but perhaps something else can go on when standing waves are involved?
Yes I agree. Anyone who has seen the power of resonance cannot dismiss it. Even the Mythbusters were astonished with the power of resonance. Just a precise miniscule tapping on a bridge can manifest into noticeable forces. In the hands of a genius such as Tesla then such miniscule forces become powerful. If we sent the right type of field around the Earth at the exact frequency and continually repeat then it is possible for such a weak field to become very powerful.
I have a theory that sounds good so far. If it's true I have no idea. In a nutshell, there could be a resonance between the device and the D-layer ionosphere and/or the top layer Mantel. This matches the 5 KHz resonance. This field would also spread horizontally around the globe and matches the 7.3 Hz. If this field is in resonance (builds up over time) then the field could become very strong. Since the device is in resonance with this field, it could very well experience a gyroscopic and inertia effect. When you move such a machine you are moving it out of alignment with the resonance field, which would cause resistance. To understand why this would occur we need to understand standing waves. Consider sand on a vibrating disc. There is a force on the sand to stay in nodes and away from the antinodes. Similarly, as SM moves his device he is essentially moving the entire resonance that has been building up over time. He is moving the away from the node and into the antinode. This would cause resistance. That could explain the inertia effect. The gyroscope effect could be explained by once again the magnetic material reacting to the antinode. Anyone who's placed a PM somewhat near another PM and then moved it sideways knows there's a force that wants to rotate the magnetic. That could explain the gyroscope effect.
It's just a theory. I think we need to find out if it is true and not be irresponsible. If the "free energy" is coming from some radiant energy source then it sounds safe. If the energy is being instantly moved from the mantel or D-layer then we seriously need to consider the consequences and be responsible. Personally I cannot take the position that others here might be hating or angry that anyone would even suggest such a thought. We need to also be responsible, find out what is really happening, and just be nice and work with everyone. :)
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
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I would have to agree that SM3, SM6, & SM17 are good names. The wattage can easily change, but the diameter of a particular machine is fixed.
Okay, let us keep these names, sounds good with the diameter
description.
Are these in inches = 2,54 cm ?
@Otto,
sounds good, what you are doing.
Yes, please try to wind another control coil around
the core and drive it with a different frequency and
see, if the current output from your rectifier will
go up !
Also you could connect a 10 or 100 Ohm resistor at your output
and measure the DC voltage at it, if you put a capacitor
across it, so you will see the output wattage !
Watts= DC-Voltage^2 / Resistorvalue
Then please compare it versus the input wattage from your 12 Volts DC source.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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The SM3, SM6, SM17 are in inches. Gotten from the stevennew.mp4
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I too am wondering why 'three collector coils/wires is important' according to SM also hartiberlin AND how that all relates to this...
This is where my Radiant Theory covers more ground and is able to combine ALL that Steven described and is shown in the videos....
I merely posted my rotating magnetic field theory just to spark the minds of all the people who feel SM's devices work exclusively on rotating magnetic fields.......
Tao, what post/page# did you mention the rotating coils. I need to go back and read that.
I came up another theory about the SM3 & SM6
I had mentioned before that I felt the SMs were Tesla coils. You had mention that there are 3 coils. Well with those could one possibly build an air core Tesla coil by embedding the feedback coil (lets say 10 turns) inside a control coil (lets say 50 turns) inside the largest output coil (lets say 1000 turns)?
I say this because in the video that an SM6 has a slice cut out, there is just styrofoam/cork type filling. I did not see any thing that would match up with the diagram in the compiled posts of Steven Mark. That diagram show internal windings.
As always, I am open to be incorrect.
If we look for the sunlight, we shall see no shadows. Helen Keller. ;)
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About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
Through the different control wire and coil wire arrangements you can keep complete control of the unit most of the time. However, you must have an emergency KILL switch. A way of cutting off all the control frequencies simultaneity. This kill switch must be, manual and also connected through a heat sensor buried within the collector coil. it should automatically stop the function of the unit before it self destructs on it's own. This is important for obvious reasons. Also the kill switch should also be connected to cut off whenever it measures over voltage. If that should ever happen, you would never have enough time to hit the kill switch before the inevitable explosion occurred.
You know, it is very similar to the idea of a long garden hose. Picture a hose with water in it. If you pick up one end and move along the length of the hose you will move the water constantly along in the direction you are moving. You could also squeeze the hose in the direction to move the water along as well. And you could do both to control the movement of the water more precisely. You can think of the movement of water as the movement of electrons through the collector coils.
I hope the things I share with you give you ideas about how my unit works. As you know, I am a great believer in understanding, not copying.
Sincerely,
SM.
Hi Tao,
I tried to search the whole forum here, but did not find this posted earlier ?
So this seems to be information that you have found somewhere else ?
I also could not remember having read it already before.
So where did you get it from ?
P.S. I think the search function over here might also have some
problems as it can not find some other sentences...
I will try to fix it soon with a fresh install of the forum software...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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@Tao,
Awesome work with your theory about the Steve Mark device, as well as for compiling that information. I love the references you made to Bill Beaty?s website. I remember reading over it a long time ago but I just about forgot about it until now. I too have some information that I believe will be very valuable to our research here. As you have been so diligently explaining and re-explaining the concepts here, I have been working in the background doing some bench tests which I believe have confirmed what you have been saying all along. This is a long post and I have only been able to scratch the surface of some of the experiments I have done. But all I have to say is We Got It 8). But first off, I?ll reply to a couple of other recent posts here.
@Otto,
You may not realize it but the results that you are getting area great step in the right direction!! I read the description of your setup and tried to visualize it to the best of my ability. But to make things easier, could you possibly draw some diagrams of the circuits you described? Also, if possible, could you take a picture of your setup? I have a set of ideas on how I believe the device works, like Tao, and from a series of promising experiments I have tried, I believe that we are not too far off from getting this thing to work. I have some more comments to make on your setup but I would first like to see the diagrams of it to make sure that I am interpreting your explanations correctly.
Hi Tao,
great thinking !
If the Mark units are really working on interfence pattern
moving along and inducing output inside the core copper coils,
then why does he need 3 coils inside the core?
Why not just one coil and just a few control coils wrapped around it
to create the 2 opposite rotating magnetic flux fields?
So if it has nothing to do with the Barkhausen resonance in
iron wires, I still wonder, if this rotating interference pattern
will need additional input power, if power is drawn from the output
coils ?
I don?t yet see the dragless operation of this !
Also if you use antennas to draw power from a transmitter,
the transmitter needs to generate this power first,
so the antenna is able to draw it all from it.
So if the transmitter and antenna are coupled, then the power is
just transmitted from the transmitter to the antenna and that?s it.
You need to put more power into the transmitter, if you draw more load
wattage from the antenna...
I *think* I can explain how the fields in the control coils can rotate without experiencing a drag from the collectors. I actually posted a question on PhysicsForums.com about coils at right angles to each other and how that affects the magnetic coupling of the coils. You can check my post out here: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=121122.
Essentially, what I learned is that two magnetic fields at right angles will not couple to each other in the case of coils. But the mere explanation of this was not enough so I set out to test the idea. I had a round coil with an OD of 3?, and ID of 2?, and a height of 0.5?. It was made of insulated 16 gauge wire and was varnished together (no metal core). So I took this coil and toroidally wrapped some 20 gauge magnet wire around 1/4th of the diameter and ran sine wave signals of different frequencies through the 20 gauge coil. As I did so, I had my two-channel scope hooked onto both coils so I could monitor the input signal and the signal that was produced in the big coil. For the most part, my test results agreed with what the people on PhysicsForums said. Magnetic fields at right angles don?t really interact. Now, granted, there was a small signal induced but it was only a small, small fraction of the input. But? It gets better?. So, I switch my function generator over to the square wave signal (0 DC offset) and try varying frequencies. I notice immediately that at certain frequencies, there are numerous amounts of spikes that appear on the toroidal input coil. BUT, these spikes are almost losslessly conveyed to the larger coil! I later learned that after finding what I call the ?sweet spot? of the coil, that the spikes can easily be twice as tall as the input voltage (which was always less then 20 volts for my function generator).
Now there is one more thing I need to throw in here that will blow this thing out of the water!!! I disconnected the ground lead of my function generator from the toroidal coil and I was still getting spikes! After a bit of retuning, I found out that it actually worked better (meaning bigger spikes) using only one wire from the function generator rather than two. I rediscovered Tesla?s one-wire electricity!
Now, before I got all excited about this feat, I decided to see if I was getting any usable current, so using some small germanium diodes, and a smoothing cap, I made a rectifier circuit and started changing a 3000uF capacitor from the output of my circuit! It took about 15-20 seconds to fully tank up but once It did, I could run some LEDs or even a tiny DC motor off of it for a couple of seconds. But I noticed that creating higher voltage spikes allowed the capacitor to charge even faster. The effects I am mentioning here I found using a number of different coils so I don?t have any exact numbers to tell. But I can say that in my case, the frequencies that worked best for me were anywhere from the 200-400 kHz, 400-600 kHz and 6-7MHz range depending on the size of the coil. Not to say that lower frequencies did not have any effects. My input voltage was limited to the 20 volts that my function generator could output (I haven?t done any tests with transistors just yet) but the secret is all in the square wave and the frequency that you pulse it at?.
As some people have already mentioned, the sweet spot for each coil must have something to do with the frequency that they can resonate at (like an antenna).
I have a lot more thoughts to share but my mind is all over the place at the moment. But as a suggestion, everyone should focus on pulsing the coils with an ungrounded signal source. Or if you do choose the ground the circuit (like in my right angle coil setup) put the ground wire on the other coil that is not attached to the input. I also got bigger spikes that way also.
More to come?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Jason,
nice experiment.
Can you try to measure, if the output wattage is higher than the input wattage
in your circuit ?
Maybe put in series with the function-pulse-generator a 10 Ohm resistor, so you can measure
the current from the function-pulse-generator into the circuit.
Maybe you will find a frequency, where you have more output than input power ?
Many thanks for this interesting experiment.
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@Jason,
maybe only capacitive coupling ?
how big was output versus input power ?
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@Dave
what DC source did you use with the ignition coil ? 12 Volts ?
How big were the forward kicks and how long did they last ? thanks .
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Hi Dave, how do you measure the large forward kicks on your coill? Did you put a scope directly across the coil ? or across the battery? was the battery frshly charged or old ?
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Hi Dave,
Your device and setup look professional. Great work!
Telsa's radiant pulses require very high voltage and abrupt switching with long wires or high resistance
That sounds very interesting. Do you have any in depth research references that focus on this Tesla radiant effect on high abrubt voltage on long wires so that I and others here can study it?
Paul Lowrance
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Does anyone remember this guy Anderson or how he was called, who used 2 toroidal donut coils inside each other to try to deflect gravity ?
He also has written 4 small DOS PC programs that did show the superimposing of some scalar waves... but my old PC was just too fast already to display it rightly... I guess we should look again into it, as the magnetic interference patter could be generated this way ?
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If Steven Mark did really say, that 3 output coils are important, then I guess 2 of them are somehow put in series, so that they act bifilar and compensate any backdrag onto the control coils and the third one might get the output..hmmm....
The question is, if it really works only by using copper coils and no iron coils are required, then it is not based on the Barkhausen effect and just seems to be just a Lentz law violation effect...
But if iron coils are required, then it is probably needed a 180 khz resonance LC circuit to tap the Barkhausen resonance...
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Sorry Dave, could not yet see your posted pics, as I am on my PDA only in this moment. Will check it out later and comment then. Many thanks.
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A good book about this is "Secrets of Cold War Technolgy - Project HAARP and Beyond" by Gary Vassilatos. I also recommend the Tesla Longitudinal waves work from Borderlands research. There is not really any online research about it.
Thanks, I'll have to get that book. As for Borderlands research, their work is valuable, but some of their experiments are flawed such as the on suggesting fast than light speed. Don't get me wrong, I know fast than c is possible, but not as simple as they suggest and not in their experiments.
All theories are great and we should test them. Eventually someone will create the smoking gun and publish the detailed build instructions so that anyone can build it; i.e., a machine that is self-running (closing the loop). That will be some day! Perhaps the machine will be created by accident or perhaps a theory will lead someone into designing a self-running "free energy" machine on paper that will work when built. If a theory is detailed enough and correct then it will lead to the smoking gun. If not, then oh well, back to the drawing board, lol.
Looking forward to seeing everyone's experimental and research results.
Paul Lowrance
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@ Marco,
this might be an optical illusion from this angle of viewpoint.
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hi Dave,
could you please try this attached to this posting circuit with your ignition coil please and post some
scope shots ?
Please try to use a low capacitive diode, if you have one,
as the capacitance of the nonconducting diode layer will have some influence
on the k?cks.
You can see this, if you put a Nanofarad capacitor in parallel with the diode...
Many thanks.
P.S: and please don?t ground the scope!
It must be floating versus your house ground !
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A good book about this is "Secrets of Cold War Technolgy - Project HAARP and Beyond" by Gary Vassilatos. I also recommend the Tesla Longitudinal waves work from Borderlands research. There is not really any online research about it.
Thanks, I'll have to get that book. As for Borderlands research, their work is valuable, but some of their experiments are flawed such as the on suggesting fast than light speed. Don't get me wrong, I know fast than c is possible, but not as simple as they suggest and not in their experiments.
All theories are great and we should test them. Eventually someone will create the smoking gun and publish the detailed build instructions so that anyone can build it; i.e., a machine that is self-running (closing the loop). That will be some day! Perhaps the machine will be created by accident or perhaps a theory will lead someone into designing a self-running "free energy" machine on paper that will work when built. If a theory is detailed enough and correct then it will lead to the smoking gun. If not, then oh well, back to the drawing board, lol.
Looking forward to seeing everyone's experimental and research results.
Paul Lowrance
This book, Secrets of Cold War Technology - Project HAARP and Beyond is out of print. It's out of date at least in the U.S. Although Amazon UK claims to have some for sell:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Secrets-Cold-War-Technology-Project/dp/0932813801
There's a story in San Diego, CA, USA that is selling it, but I think their web page is out of date. I'll send them an email to find out.
http://www.thebooktree.com/mindcont.html
Paul Lowrance
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Dear all,
I was thinking. The capacitors in the large TPU are clearly electrolytic, and given their size, of fairly high capacitance. Correct me if I am wrong, but using electrolytic capacitors in a tuned or resonant circuit is not recommended as they will explode? Non-polarised capacitors must be used?
I think it is more likely the electrolytic caps are there to power the circuit in the middle and are continually replenished by the system? If there are two oscillators for two frequencys, perhaps they have one cap each to power them, kind of keep the power more stable and prevent frequency shift?
That is right, they probably are capacitors after some diodes which store a charge only and have only pulsed DC on it,
so they are only there to extract energy.
The 2 yellow capacitors in the center seem to be the alufoil type capacitors who are used to control the
frequencies and which have AC on them !
Also given the size of these capacitors and the torroid inductors in the middle, you judge the frequency to be very low?
I have been thinking also about counter rotating mangetic fields. If you have counter rotating fields at the same frequency, there could be standing waves created in the collector coils. As per Jerry Bayles AG work shows and Prof Stavros of Greece, that standing waves created in matter, can represent negative energy. If negative energy is then created in the collector coils, this could explain the excess energy. But then we know the coils heat up, so this wouldnt tally? They should infact cool...?
How do you define negative energy ?
If no Barkhausen effect resonance is used to extract the power from iron coils, then
I guess it must be some kind of Lentz law violation, if only copper coils are used.
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Also, if the difference frequency or interefernce or beat frequency of the two is 7.8Hz, is this able to somehow extract excess energy by connecting with the schumman resonance. Normally I wouldn't even bother mentioning that due to the weakness of the earths field, etc, but perhaps something else can go on when standing waves are involved?
Yes,could be, that he is using 2 frequencies with a beat frequency, which he winds up so the thing is
like a vortex and sucks in external magnet field energy.
This also seems to be logical when you remember, that Steven spoke about the
compass that spun up inside the center... although he never demonstrated it inside any video.
I would love to see a video about the compass spin up inside the center..
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Jason!
I have tried to perform a simlar test as you. I have tested a torroid with another coil rapped around it at 90 degrees. Then I have tested sine and square waves. I am surprised to find that square waves can induce a perfect sinewave in the second coil, but a sine wave on the input just makes a small mess on the output. Also I have only few turns on the output, yet I can measure better voltage than the input.
I have tested the output by loading with 1ohm/5watt non-inductive resistor, the results can be seen below. By the way, I forgot to test with input ground floating, will try that later!
For better tests I will need to build a square wave pulse circuit at the resonant frequency (determinded by scope sweep), then I can run off a battery and measure DC power used on the INPUT to I can compare easier.
Please note the input signal is in RED, the output in BLUE.
(note- first pic should say unloaded, not inloaded)
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
why do your input wave do not show up on your scope as sine and square waves ?
Is this indeed the current from the input waves ?
BTW, great experiments you are doing!
Please keep rambling on and explain in easy words the condition for the
Hooper E-Field with these circuits.Many thanks for all the insights !
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Dave, do you get with your nice 4 coils on the toroid setup
now also this rotating magnet field ?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif
Did you put each pair of the 2 coils in repelling mode, so the flux
comes out of the core ?
Then you could probably lower the frequency to a few Hz only and
see a compass rotate inside the center of the toroid ?
Does this work ?
How is the lightbulb connected ?
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@Dave
what DC source did you use with the ignition coil ? 12 Volts ?
How big were the forward kicks and how long did they last ? thanks .
Hi Stefan, the source was a simple, 12v/4aH deep cycle battery, charged at about 11.95v.
The kicks seem to last only 10uS or less.
I measure the signal across the coil, not the battery. This can be seen in the circuit diagram I posted.
I have the software I think you are talking about, it shows how cancelling waves generate scalar waves? If this is the one you mean, I will post it on my site for download or something.
Torroidal coils can be used to deflect gravity, as only the Motional E Field exist outside the torroid. Electrons orbitting in neutral un magnetised matter generate magnetic field, BxV, but as they all move in different direction the magnetic field sums to zero, yet the motional E fields ADD. This field is divergent and pulls on electrons in surrounding matter and pushes away the protons. Gravity is soo weak beacuse we only feel the difference between the push and the pull and this also explain why neutral matter also has gravitational field. You can see the work of Hooper, or check it out here http://www.electrogravityphysics.com/html/contents.html
You may know the motional E field as the Vector A potential? It falls off with the square distance and is unsheildable, it matches gravity in every way and fills in the missing link!
Anyway, enough of my ramblings.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
yes,please post it and does anyone know, how to slow the speed of these
old DOS programs, so one can really see, what is going on ?
Anything faster than a 100 Mhz Pentium 1 was too fast to see the output the programs..
Dave , are you sure, that the magnetic vectorfield A is the same as the Hooper Motional E-field ?
I really have to study his work.
Many thanks.
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Jason!
I have tried to perform a simlar test as you. I have tested a torroid with another coil rapped around it at 90 degrees. Then I have tested sine and square waves. I am surprised to find that square waves can induce a perfect sinewave in the second coil, but a sine wave on the input just makes a small mess on the output. Also I have only few turns on the output, yet I can measure better voltage than the input.
I have tested the output by loading with 1ohm/5watt non-inductive resistor, the results can be seen below. By the way, I forgot to test with input ground floating, will try that later!
For better tests I will need to build a square wave pulse circuit at the resonant frequency (determinded by scope sweep), then I can run off a battery and measure DC power used on the INPUT to I can compare easier.
Please note the input signal is in RED, the output in BLUE.
(note- first pic should say unloaded, not inloaded)
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
well done tests.
Please also try with a higher load resistor like 10 Ohm or 100 Ohm or 1 KOhm.
What is about the turn numbers of your coils ?
Only copper coils or also iron coils ?
I see the drivercoil from your photo
Photo_092006_005.jpg
is only a few windings and is only going around a short distance
around the main coil and only at the outer side it is near the output coil,
as on the other side you have this tape layers still there, so the distance is greater.
As TAO posted from the Steven Mark comment, that it works like a garden hose
if you squeeze it , the water will come out....
so only squeezing it at one small location will not make much water come
out of the hose, but if you squeeze the whole toroid hose at the same time,
if will come ALL of the water out in one big rush !
Now the question is, how we can lower the input power to do the squeezing
and get more "water" out, then we needed to power the squeezing !
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Jason!
I have tried to perform a simlar test as you. I have tested a torroid with another coil rapped around it at 90 degrees. Then I have tested sine and square waves. I am surprised to find that square waves can induce a perfect sinewave in the second coil, but a sine wave on the input just makes a small mess on the output. Also I have only few turns on the output, yet I can measure better voltage than the input.
Hi Dave,
does the square wave input have to be at the resonance frequency of the output coil
to get such a good sine wave at the output ?
What, if you just use short pulses, so if you use only 10:90 on-off pulse width ?
Could you reduce this way the input power and still have the same output power ?
Will this also work at other frequencies or only at the resonance frequency
of the output coil ?
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Hi Stefan,
If no Barkhausen effect resonance is used to extract the power from iron coils, then I guess it must be some kind of Lentz law violation, if only copper coils are used.
I'm curious, where would this information come from? You've mentioned this Barkhausen effect resonance on numerous occasions, but it was my impression this has not been verified yet. I believe tao and others have repeatedly tried to find this 180 KHz resonance and even below this frequency and way up in the MHz range without finding it. Is there an experiment that tao or anyone can try that reveals this 180 KHz Barkhausen effect resonance? Or are you simply refereeing to a theory or unproven claims?
According to my research there is no fixed resonance near 180 KHz in magnetic material. There is something called FMR (FerroMagnetic Resoance), but it's not a fixed frequency and is way up their in frequency. Also there's ESR (Electron Spin Resonance), and EPR (Electron Paramagnetic Resonance), and last but not least NMR (Nuclear Magnetic Resonance), but all these are not fixed resonance's and far from 180 KHz. :(
To my knowledge the field caused by Barkhausen effect is mostly random noise and somewhat broad spectrum. It's commonly known this effect is cause by avalanche effect and very pronounced in hard steel due to pinning and the free electrons in steel or iron dampen the avalanche thereby lowering the frequency spectrum.
Yes I would agree and debate any physicist there's "free energy" to be gained from the avalanche (the cause of Magnetocaloric energy), but so far nobody has proven this by closing the loop and publishing the exact build instructions for such a device. Yes, I firmly believe someone will one day close the loop on such a Magnetocaloric energy machine, but from what I know it is very tricky, but possible. :)
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
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Guys,
I have noticed something wierd! I have rapped a collector coil around my original coil so its at 90 degrees. I am pulsing the control coil with square wave. I can collect a signal on the collector, but this is the wierd part. The voltage changes a fair bit depending on if I turn the coil upside down. Up one way I get about 12mV across a 0.1 ohm load. Turn it up the other way and I get about 98mV over the same load. During this I change nothing, I just turn upside down. NOTICE! NOT only does the voltage change, but the wave form also changes shape!
Now, because of the winding, the direction of the coil is counter-clockwise whether its upside down or not. Nothing on the coil changes. Why should the collector care if its upside down, its still in the same place relative to the control coil, it doesnt know any different!
The only thing it changes relavant to its the earths magnetic field as SM said! So if it can react to this, perhaps this can also contribute to its power as he said? But I still do not see how.
IF the SM device has a threshold voltage, say for instance, mine was 20mV, it would not start when upside down, but when I turned it up the other way it would change to 98mV and it would start!
The only the differnt when upside down, is the current flow in the control coil relative to the earths magnetic field?
How can this work?
Note: for reference, North is out the right of the photos.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
great results so far.
But one thing is confusing.
Do you still use your other circuit with the 4 coil driver at 90 degrees also with it
or did you just use the core ?
What is the white coil ? The control or output coil ?
Which coils are which ?
Strange, that you get different waveforms !
How could this be ?
Do you change any location when you turn it upside down ?
Maybe nearer to any transformer, so there will be any more induction ?
Try to use use higher ohm load resistors, so you are not only in the MilliVolt range,
but at least in the Volts range, then the error factor is smaller !
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... i was doing an experiment to see if it is possible to extraxt some power form a permanent magnet.
...
i read in this forum someone said the were defenitly not.
...
now i also read somebody said if you somehow compress the magnetic field and let it "snap" (just cut the dc power fast) it would preduce a "kick" to about 100 times the power of the magnet.
I love this topic. :) Yes, absolutely 100% you can extract "free energy" from magnetic material! If you ask most scientists they'll tell you, "Nope," but most scientists really have no accurate conception what's happening inside magnetic material on the atomic scale.
Now if you ask the correct person at IBM, you'll probably get an answer like, "Yes, it's theoretically possible, but nobody knows how."
I've posted this in another thread, but here it goes again, in a nutshell ->
Potential energy is being converted into kinetic energy as the electron "spins" align. There are domains in all magnetic materials at normal temperatures, but this is not the lowest energy state. The lowest energy state is when the magnetic material (includes PM's) are fully saturated.
In a nutshell, we'll always get kinetic energy when magnetic material goes from non-magnetized to magnetized. This is the Magnetocaloric effect. All magnetic materials heat up when magnetized and cool down when un-magnetized. The reason the material cools down is because the thermal vibrations (ambient temperature) force the "spins" to flip against the net magnetic field. This requires energy because the electron "spin" is going against the net magnetic field. So picture an atom striking the other atom, which results in the electron flipping, causing an avalanche effect. This avalanche and pinning for poor materials allows a group of spins to remain against the net field. The atom will slow down because it requires energy. The magnetic material cools down when the atoms slow down. Simply stated this is why magnetic materials cool down when the applied field is removed. If we get into details then we'll have to consider other forces such as changes in the materials specific heat capacity.
Outlining this entire process using conventional well-proven science we see without any doubt there's energy being radiated within magnetic material when it is magnetized. We normally don't see much of that energy because the magnetic material absorbs this energy. For materials such as hard steel a lot of this energy is absorbed due to pinning. In high permeable materials such as Metglas we'll see most of this energy is absorbed due to countless internal reflections. If we peered within Metglas as it was being magnetized we would see a sea of energy waves like a highly turbulent ocean.
The trick is how to rob that Magnetocaloric energy from the magnetic material.
Paul Lowrance
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Hi Stefan,
If no Barkhausen effect resonance is used to extract the power from iron coils, then I guess it must be some kind of Lentz law violation, if only copper coils are used.
I'm curious where would this information come from?
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
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Stefan,
I have performed the test you asked me to. I realise I should have connect the diode in that mannor in the first place, my error.
The noise is much reduced, but we can still see some positive spikes, and a few of them are at BEGINING of the Pulse.
Also, through all my tests I use a battery powered Fluke 123 Digital Scope, so there is always floating ground.
Regards,
Dave
Hi Dave,
these are the right results.
Could you please upload a scopeshot that shows the real RF burst spike in
its full swing, so just trigger on one burst and show a few waves of it in faster
x-direction-speed ?
( so one can the whole overswing over 12 Volts)
So these spikes go up to around 24 Volts ?
Now you see, why Newman can recharge his batteries !
These RF bursts seem to recharge the batteries or at least keep them longer
durational.
It only works via mechanical switching and the switching electrodes
play an important role !
Try to put some tap water onto your switching contacts and record
the waveforms again, you will see, that these waveforms will
now miss the spikes !
This is, because the contact is now made mostly via the water to water
and this then has no different metal contacts...
It depends really on the contact materials as I have found out some time
ago with my Newman experiments.
Please try it and let me know.
Many thanks Dave !
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... i was doing an experiment to see if it is possible to extraxt some power form a permanent magnet.
...
i read in this forum someone said the were defenitly not.
...
now i also read somebody said if you somehow compress the magnetic field and let it "snap" (just cut the dc power fast) it would preduce a "kick" to about 100 times the power of the magnet.
I love this topic. :) Yes, absolutely 100% you can extract "free energy" from magnetic material! If you ask most scientists they'll tell you, "Nope," but most scientists really have no accurate conception what's happening inside magnetic material on the atomic scale.
Now if you ask the correct person at IBM, you'll probably get an answer like, "Yes, it's theoretically possible, but nobody knows how."
I've posted this in another thread, but here it goes again, in a nutshell ->
Potential energy is being converted into kinetic energy as the electron "spins" align. There are domains in all magnetic materials at normal temperatures, but this is not the lowest energy state. The lowest energy state is when the magnetic material (includes PM's) are fully saturated.
In a nutshell, we'll always get kinetic energy when magnetic material goes from non-magnetized to magnetized. This is the Magnetocaloric effect. All magnetic materials heat up when magnetized and cool down when un-magnetized. The reason the material cools down is because the thermal vibrations (ambient temperature) force the "spins" to flip against the net magnetic field. This requires energy because the electron "spin" is going against the net magnetic field. So picture an atom striking the other atom, which results in the electron flipping, causing an avalanche effect. This avalanche and pinning for poor materials allows a group of spins to remain against the net field. The atom will slow down because it requires energy. The magnetic material cools down when the atoms slow down. Simply stated this is why magnetic materials cool down when the applied field is removed. If we get into details then we'll have to consider other forces such as changes in the materials specific heat capacity.
Outlining this entire process using conventional well-proven science we see without any doubt there's energy being radiated within magnetic material when it is magnetized. We normally don't see much of that energy because the magnetic material absorbs this energy. For materials such as hard steel a lot of this energy is absorbed due to pinning. In high permeable materials such as Metglas we'll see most of this energy is absorbed due to countless internal reflections. If we peered within Metglas as it was being magnetized we would see a sea of energy waves like a highly turbulent ocean.
The trick is how to rob that Magnetocaloric energy from the magnetic material.
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,you are exactly right and this is, what Omnibus does not want to look at.
This is in my view also the way the Finsrud device works.
He extracts this small energy to overcome the frictional losses and the
ball keeps moving.
Okay, please let us discuss in this thread just the Mark devices.
Well, I still wonder, why the Mark?s devices then get hot coils.
Maybe there only some attached magnets get cold ?
( If he at all uses any magnets...)
Maybe also if he does not use any magnets, maybe only the
air around the coils then gets cold, but as the coils already
extract and convert the power and have losses, these coils get hot ?
( this would be for the case this thing works just as a Lentz law
violator, in case of a Barkhausen resonance unit, if there would be
some iron coils in there, maybe just the iron coils get cold and the copper coils get hot ?)
Well, or if the Mark devices really tap the earth magnetic field,
then they draw probably the power via some kind of resonance
and then they don?t need to cool down, as it is just an extraction
from the earth field to the device... So there is
always no violation of the first law, which I think is valid throughout nature,
otherwise nature would have been already collapsed, if the 1st law would
not apply in each case.
Anyway, let us concentrate again onto the experimental results.
Dave is doing a great job to post his eperiments here.
Many thanks.
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hi,
Before i run ito this website i was doing an experiment to see if it is possible to extraxt some power form a permanent magnet.
i started with something like fig1
then i thought about replacing coil 1 with a permanent magnet like fig2.
or even better fig3.
this couldnt be done because magnets are solid i thougt..........but i read in this forum someone said the were defenitly not.
seems to be something there.
now i also read somebody said if you somehow compress the magnetic field and let it "snap" (just cut the dc power fast) it would preduce a "kick" to about 100 times the power of the magnet.
maybe something there too.
but its just a thougt.......
greetz marco
Hi Marco, I don?t yet see, how you can extract
more energy.
If you use a magnet with it you must use more electrical energy to
compress the field first. Okay, then it snaps back also more,
but only as much as you compressed it before.
This is the same circuit as Bill Alek?s Intalek Smartpack device.
But he saw now, that he can only get additional
electric charges, when he used 2 sparkgaps in series to
have additional electrons generated in the circuit
via somekind of electron clouds or "cold fusion" effects
at the spark gaps.
Same goes for Newman devices.
This seems to be the only way to get more electrons into the circuit loop
from outside and chargeup the batteries.
Maybe thus it would be best to optimize these spark gaps for
the most extrernal electon flow incoming via
mesh metal parts ectracting electron from electron clouds around the
spark contacts or special graphite surfacecontact points or bigger surfaces...
As Newman uses now 8 and more spark gaps in series for his new motors,
there he gets a lot of external electrons converted to fly into his circuit and
thus charge up his batteries.
Regards, Stefan.
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Stefan,
I have performed the test you asked me to. I realise I should have connect the diode in that mannor in the first place, my error.
The noise is much reduced, but we can still see some positive spikes, and a few of them are at BEGINING of the Pulse.
Also, through all my tests I use a battery powered Fluke 123 Digital Scope, so there is always floating ground.
Regards,
Dave
Dave, what kind of mechanical switch are you using ?
What contact material does it have ?
Can you change it to copper and graphite ?
Maybe just use a graphite pencil tip and some copper wire and see any differences ?
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hi,
i do find it funny that they all seem to have that so called "optic illusion"
greets marco
Hi Marco,you are right !
Looks a bit strange !
Maybe it will indeed function best, if there is a small angle between
the coils ?
Maybe it is best for the local earth magnet field at Steven?s location to
extract the most power ?
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For now we can only have theories about Steven Mark's device. Regardless where it gets the energy from there will always be heat generated by the current in the wires.
If I had but one request for legitimate "free energy" device inventors it would be the following ->
Please, could you please just get a simple 50 cent thermistor. All you need is connect the thermistor to a scope or multimeter. I have a $10 digital multimeter and a cheap thermistor that can measure temperate changes of just 10mW in a 3" iron toroid. In other words, if there is just 10 mW of energy being removed/added from/to the 3" iron toroid then I can sense it.
The thermistor only needs to make contact with the magnetic material. You can test both the PM or core in any experiment.
Hey, this request is on my Christmas list. :)
Paul Lowrance
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Ok, may questions to answer.
Hi Dave, do you get with your nice 4 coils on the toroid setup
now also this rotating magnet field ?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif
The coils are bifilar, with to layers, I did not detect any movement with a compass so I do not think the field comes out of the core. I have tried from 100hz, to 6khz, with single field, and counter rotating field with intereference signal. Nor can I feel any vibration.
Please try at around 1 Hz only and see, if you can get the field to rotate inside the center as this:
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif
Why are you using bifilar coils?
Just 4 normal coils will do it.
You have to setup each coil pair, so that
coil at 12 and 6 o?clock repell and
also coils at 3 and 9 o?clock repell,
but coils at 3 and 9 o?clock must be additionally
90 degrees out of phase to coils at 12 and 6 o?clock.
Then set a compass into the center and watch it spin at 1 Hz.
Instead of the compass you can then place an output coil into the center
and see, if you draw power from it, if the input power will rise ?
Try to orient the output coil in the center at 0 and at 90 degrees to the
other coils and see, what will happen.
Many thanks.
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Okay, please let us discuss in this thread just the Mark devices.
OK Stefan, I understand. I only wanted to know where all of us could verify this "Barkhausen effect resonance" that you have made reference to on numerous occasions. And also just wanted to know if you were stating a theory or was it an unverified claim or is there an actual experiment that we can build that shows this 180 KHz Barkhausen effect resonance.
You made this statement in reference to Mark's device and thought it was appropriate to ask. Isn't that the scientific method to ask for references? This is 3rd time to ask you, lol, so I'll just sit back and enjoy this thread regardless if no answer. :)
Thanks,
Paul Lowrance
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By the way, Chris Arnold, who replicated the Newman machine
more for plasma lightning between the commutator contacts of a Newman machine,
also reported a while back, that when he has big disruptive currents at his commutator,
the coil then sends out huge amounts of "radiation" energy.
Maybe this is this radiant energy which Tesla told has killed some
workers nearby ?
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Okay, please let us discuss in this thread just the Mark devices.
OK Stefan, I understand. I only wanted to know where all of us could verify this "Barkhausen effect resonance" that you have made reference to on numerous occasions. And also just wanted to know if you were stating a theory or was it an unverified claim or is there an actual experiment that we can build that shows this 180 KHz Barkhausen effect resonance.
You made this statement in reference to Mark's device and thought it was appropriate to ask. Isn't that the scientific method to ask for references? This is 3rd time to ask you, lol, so I'll just sit back and enjoy this thread regardless if no answer. :)
Thanks,
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,
in one video or one thread over here Steven Mark did claim, that he made his first prototype
out of bailing wire, which is to my understanding just garden iron wire ?
You can see e.g. at Jean Louis Naudin site, that he has researched Barkhausen jumps
in iron material and saw also these avalance spikes, which have a basic
frequency of around 180 Khz.
So if you bring a permanent magnet close to an iron rod and have around the iron
rod an parallel LC tank circuit of 180 Khz with High Q ( low losses)
you can probably keep this LC circuit oscillating as Bob Shannon
did report, that also a static , not moving magnet near the iron material will keep
some domains flipping back and forth due to temperature fluctuations
or incoming scalar waves... He actually used it as a scalar wave receiver...
Look it up at Bill Beaty?s site www.amasci.com
So have the magnet in the right distance, so the iron rod is at the most steep
BH curve at the right working point and the domains will flip back and forth inside
the iron rod and induce the 180 Khz pulses into the LC tank circuit.
But this must be build pretty big to etract any useful power, as
there are not many domains fliipping and the voltages are only in the Millivolt range.
But maybe Steven Mark is using something like this to start his process and
then feeds back the oscillations to other LC circuits and thus builds up a positive feedback loop
and thus the oscillations get bigger and bigger ?
This was my first basic understandingof how the Mark devices
work, but as TAO now found the quote that there seem to be
only copper coils in the recent MARK devices, I wonder
if my theory with the Barkhause resonance was wrong...
Then why did he use "bailing" wire at all ?
Regards, Stefan.
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Here is the Barkhausen energy output quote:
http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/bark.html
"If the core material is properly biased, the detector should produce a nearly constant rate of background Barkhausen effect domain transition pulses. This rate will not vary substantially over a reasonably wide temperature range for most core materials."
"Perhaps the most interesting variation on this device is known as a Barkhausen Effect Battery. As we have many thousands of Barkhausen effect transition pulses per second in a well constructed detector, it follows that if the detecting coil is tuned to resonance at the background transition rate, we can produce an induced (weak) electromagnetic current in a load placed across the Barkhausen effect coil. With large coils and highly nonlinear magnetic fields, this voltage may be used to drive simple circuits, such as low-powered tunnel diode transmitters. "
And I add up:
or even work as a free energy device powered by extraction of heat energy from this iron material
this way !
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Hi Marco,
what does your circuit look like ?
Do you have a picture of your setup ?`
Electrons in wires onlymove at a few Millimeters/sec
or cm/sec, when I remember right.
What moves forward with lightspeedis the EM field.
Think of it like the electron balls pushing each other horizontally
and thus the last ball flies out with not much delay, like
such a toy, where the first and the last steel ball flies up and comes down
when you lift the most right or left ball and let it go...
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i think of it's kinda frequenty switch
but i could be totally wrong here just "spinning" my mind.
greets marco
maybe there are three coils?
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top and bottom connected in series and middle rapped around at 90 degrees as illustrated previously
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I was refering to the post by Dave
Guys,
I have noticed something wierd! I have rapped a collector coil around my original coil so its at 90 degrees. I am pulsing the control coil with square wave. I can collect a signal on the collector, but this is the wierd part. The voltage changes a fair bit depending on if I turn the coil upside down. Up one way I get about 12mV across a 0.1 ohm load. Turn it up the other way and I get about 98mV over the same load. During this I change nothing, I just turn upside down. NOTICE! NOT only does the voltage change, but the wave form also changes shape!
Now, because of the winding, the direction of the coil is counter-clockwise whether its upside down or not. Nothing on the coil changes. Why should the collector care if its upside down, its still in the same place relative to the control coil, it doesnt know any different!
The only thing it changes relavant to its the earths magnetic field as SM said! So if it can react to this, perhaps this can also contribute to its power as he said? But I still do not see how.
IF the SM device has a threshold voltage, say for instance, mine was 20mV, it would not start when upside down, but when I turned it up the other way it would change to 98mV and it would start!
The only the differnt when upside down, is the current flow in the control coil relative to the earths magnetic field?
How can this work?
Note: for reference, North is out the right of the photos.
Regards,
Dave.
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Hello all,
I have yesterday posted a very long post but I don?t know were it is. I have trouble with opening the site.
Mr. Mark and Mr. Mannix, I want to say to You both that you are great people and thank You for the TPU.
If somebody can tell me how to make shematics and post them here that would be great (I?am not good with this).
I think my TPU works wery well in this stage of developement and of course I will share my work with you.
Otto
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Hi Otto,
get yourself the free MC8 demopackage
http://www.spectrum-soft.com/download.shtm
and
with it you can draw easily the circuit diagram !
Please convert the output BMP screen file first to a JPEG
picture via any free BMP to JPEG converter before posting it here.
Many thanks.
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Ok Stefan,
I have tested rotating field with 90 degree shift at 1hz, I cannot see any compass movement, it seems it does not leave the core.
Dave then you have the coil wiring wrong !
If the coils are repelling the flux MUST go out of the core !
What kindof core are you using ?
Just a plastic core or real ferrite or iron core ?
I have also tested different loads and done some power calculations. I dont think there is anything wierd going on here:(
For what case was this ?
Please describe the setup.
Thanks.
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There are many interesting phenomenas on the area of free - energy devices and with the devices that produces antigravity effects.
After researcing this kind of systems, i found that there is one common thing that exsists behind with almost every this kind of devices,for exsample bifilar coil type devices( Mark device etc. ),Grays device, Testatika Machine,Searl generator, only to mention of few.
This common thing is a ability to produce source free magnetic structures ( SFMS ).This kind of magnetic structures, SFMS ,differs of conventional magnetic fields,because they are not closed systems, but open systems,it is one kind of bipolar magnetic, long and straight line.
The needed technology to produce this kind of magnetic structures is based on to method, how to cut the magnetic energy from the EM- half wave.
This can be possible,if we cancel the magnetic field by cutting the magnetic field with a sharp DC-pulses, for exsample with a bifilar coil structure that is feeded with microwave input.Here opposite magnetic fields cancels each other,when the wires are in 90 degrees angles with each other,DC pulse creates a magnetic field around the wire,and in a places, where wires are crossing,this sharp magnetic pulse cancels the microwaves magnetic component,and a "magnetic soliton" is created.
In short, the idea is to cut microwave magnetic component,from the half wave of the microwave.
The needed microwave frequency can be created by microwave oscillator,also a sparking creates a wide spectrum of microwaves,that induces in to coil.
The "magnetic soliton" , that we create with this magnetic field cutting system has a tendency to stretch and align with parallel to external magnetic field nearby.
This long and thin wave is a open system,that has a property to pump energy from the long distances, but only in to one direction,the system is like request to have energy,and we can have energy back as an answer.This process happens by phase conjugation, when reguesting signal and answer signal are are with excactly same line and phase.
Another property is that SFMS can go through all the matter, without a much attenuation or reflection.Also a gravity field is created around those SFMS lines,because there is shifts in a space time.
Detection of SFMS with a conventional EM-instruments is not easy,because most of the instruments are designed to detect EM-waves.Anyway, there are created instruments also to detect SFMS lines.
If you are interested about the subject,there is available some theoretical files,by Bibhas R.DE
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Links/Papers/BibhasDe.pdf#search=%22magnetostatic%20wave%20source%22
Esa
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Hi Paul,
in one video or one thread over here Steven Mark did claim, that he made his first prototype
out of bailing wire, which is to my understanding just garden iron wire ?
You can see e.g. at Jean Louis Naudin site, that he has researched Barkhausen jumps
in iron material and saw also these avalance spikes, which have a basic
frequency of around 180 Khz.
So if you bring a permanent magnet close to an iron rod and have around the iron
rod an parallel LC tank circuit of 180 Khz with High Q ( low losses)
you can probably keep this LC circuit oscillating as Bob Shannon
did report, that also a static , not moving magnet near the iron material will keep
some domains flipping back and forth due to temperature fluctuations
or incoming scalar waves... He actually used it as a scalar wave receiver...
Look it up at Bill Beaty?s site www.amasci.com
So have the magnet in the right distance, so the iron rod is at the most steep
BH curve at the right working point and the domains will flip back and forth inside
the iron rod and induce the 180 Khz pulses into the LC tank circuit.
But this must be build pretty big to etract any useful power, as
there are not many domains fliipping and the voltages are only in the Millivolt range.
But maybe Steven Mark is using something like this to start his process and
then feeds back the oscillations to other LC circuits and thus builds up a positive feedback loop
and thus the oscillations get bigger and bigger ?
This was my first basic understandingof how the Mark devices
work, but as TAO now found the quote that there seem to be
only copper coils in the recent MARK devices, I wonder
if my theory with the Barkhause resonance was wrong...
Then why did he use "bailing" wire at all ?
Regards, Stefan.
hartiberlin,
What if the small torrid cores are using this effect to generate the starting kicks? I know you mentioned this in the above but I was looking to clarify this. The cores in his large unit have a silver looking torrid core, SM also mentioned aircore transformers so I believe this is an integral part of the design/effect. SO if the center/small torrid core is a Barkhausen effect oscillator, the second core maybe another tank circuit that couples this to a control coil???
THe other idea I had was the center coils maybe feedback pickup(s).
I also wanted to share an idea I am looking to try with mu TPU. I am looking to build a test coil setup this weekend and have been thinking the design over for a first run experiment and thought of using a HEI ignition coil module to drive the control coil(s), this would reduce the build time and expense since these can be obtained from the local autoparts store for less than $20.00 USD. This module would provide the isolation to the function generator and handle higher currents if using a 12v battery (small auto battery). All that would need to be considered is the control coils resistance in order to prevent over current in the module thus burning it out. BTW these can be heatsinked to increase their current handling.
Giantkiller,
The HEI module idea may be a simple solution to drive your coils as well. I have been using them to drive ignition coils to make a HV power source for lifter experiments so I know they work rather well with a signal generator as a trigger source.
Carl
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Hello all,
thanks Hartiberlin
I?am wrighting this post the 4th time (trouble with the network im my company)
Now please take your time and reed this:
In my earlier post I have described my setup of my TPU. After I burned a lot of BDX33C transistors I decided to use a TIP 151 transistor.With this transistor the output voltage rised to 470-480VDC or 880VAC! My meter on the power supply showed me +12V and almost no current. This I call resonance. The frequency was 70-80 kHz. Of course I can also see the harmonics. How? At resonance my meter shows me peak voltage and if I change the frequency at a lower or higher frequency I have again a peak voltage but not so high as in the resonant frequency.
What happened?
Lets see the values for the transistors:
BDX33C = NPN DARL.+DI, 100V, 10A, 70W, >200MHz, B>750
TIP 155 = NPN DARL. 350V, 7A, 80W, >10MHz , B>150
As you can see the difference is in the voltage and in B (current gain). Frequency is not critical. For myself that means that I have to find transistors with very high B and voltage.This is very important because with this transistors we have to build our 2 oscillators. How I know that there are 2 of them? In an earlier post I saw pictures of a TPU and I saw 2 oscillators (2 little coils, 2 yellow condensators 2 mikrofarad/2000V, 2 large electrolytes, resistors and one or two heatsinks for the transistors).
And now someting new:
DISCLAIMER
I CANNOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ACCIDENTS OR INJURIES THAT OCCUR FROM ANYONE TRYING TO REPLICATE MY TPU!! YOU RECREATE MY SETUP OF THE TPU AT YOUR OWN RISK.
What?s that??
In my earlier post I said that my TPU has 3 horizontally coils and one coil wound vertically through the donut.
Yesterday I wound an additional coil horizontally around the TPU and connected the pulsing transistor...
What happened?
In the first moment the voltage goes up to 500V and then every second 1V up to 1100VDC!! The AC I cannot measure. As I have no compass I stole from my wife a needle. I magnetized it and it always hangs over the TPU. This needle was "sleeping" until now. At low frequencies 1-10Hz this needle is jumping up and down and that means, I have a rotating magnetic field. Every change in the frequency changes the current through the coil and the magnetic field is weaker or stronger. Now I can "see" this field! In one moment the magnetic field goes to heaven and when I change the frequency the field goes to the earth. In this way I can totally control the magnetic field!
My setup works at a frequency of 4-6kHz (remember, no scope)
The meters on my power supply shows +12V and a little current. My function generator is set at 1VDC output and can handle only low crrents.
Last night I was playing with my TPU and trying to get better results.
I have a large capacitor (4microfarad/430V) connected from the minus to the ~leg of my bridge rectifier. To get more power I changed the capacitor with a 10 mikrofarad/100V. What happened? I had no time to look to the meters because I had every 1 second a loud bang from the capacitor! All the electronics didn?t notice this. Of course I changed the cap again. What is the current to destroy a capacitor? In kV!!
While I was working on the TPU I touched one leg of the rectifier. WOW! In this little piece of copper is so much energy stored that I will never forget this. Then I understood: the coil builts up the energy slowly (1 second) but releases it very, very fast. Like a very large electrolyt. In this moment I?am thinking of Tesla (genius) and his device to capture energy from the environment. With his plate he grabbs the energy and with a condenser stores it and then discharges very quickly into a load.
Meanwhile I noticed that my setup of the TPU is a horror!!!
Why?
As my monster showed me his power I took a faze probe (a little screwdriver with a little lamp in)(Probierstift) and saw that it lits on all 4 legs of the bridge rectifier and that means that the rectifier must be removed!
The transistor is wrong! I need a transistor with a high B and this is a MPSU transistor with B = 10000 and then connect him to a transistor that can handle hundreds of volts.
The control coil could be longer and the wire 0,5mm ....
I think you have enough for today.
Please excuse me if I was boring you but I only want you to help a little if I can.
Regards
Otto
P.S. I hope I figured ot how to post my shematic!
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Otto,
Not boring me at all! I am very excited for you that you have found the magic mix of coil arrangement. I cannot wait to see your diagrams and possibly a pix of your setup. I would (as well as others I am sure) like to reproduce your experiement to validate it for you. After that i would think the next logical step is to develop an oscillator design that will work on its own without an external source to drive the TPU coils.
I am looking forward to seeing a px of your setup.
Great work!
Carl
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http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/bark.html
Thanks for the links and info Stefan. I too have heard and read about the 180 KHz resonance. I think tao would love to see such an experiment where he could replicate it. Is this a secret? It seems so. Perhaps these inventors found a unique setup to get the 180 KHz resonance. Although as far as the actual Barkhausen effect itself, there is no 180 KHz resonance. This is something that's well documented in the science community. The Barkhausen effect by itself generates a wide spectrum. Have you read about the popular experiment where you wrap a lot of wire around hard steel, connect to your audio amplifier system, then move a PM toward and away from the steel. You'll hear pops and hissing noises. When looked on a spectrum analyzer we see there's a wide spread spectrum of frequencies.
Maybe the secret to the 180 KHz resonance is placing the PM in high electric field? I don't know, but if anyone finds a detailed experiment that can be replicated to demonstrate a 180 KHz resonance then please post it.
there are not many domains fliipping and the voltages are only in the Millivolt range.
I agree, but that's only because nearly 100% of the avalanche energy is absorbed by the magnetic material. Consider Naudin's Metglass MEG. I would venture to say the amount of energy exchange occurring per second is enough to power an electric vehicle. Yes, that much! :)
Hi marco,
I just wanted to add a few things to your comments.
some people say that magnetic waves travel @ the speed of light to be exactly 299,792,458 m/s in vacuum
Yes, but as you probably know, that's only in a vacuum.
They also say that electricity travels @ the speed of light.
But electrons do not travel @ the speed of light.
see picture below the elektron you put in is not the same elektron that comes out at the end.
it's a diffrent elektron that exits the wire.
But the speed of in and out going elektrons does seem to take place @ the speed of light.
so electrons cannot travell @ the speed of light because of there mass.
People should understand there's a difference between the electron and the EM field. Under normal voltage levels the electrons travel at a snails pace, but it's the EM field that travels up to c. Nearly 100% of the energy is contained in the EM field. As to how fast the EM field travels really depends on the effective permeability and dielectric surrounding the electron. Permeability equates to inductances, which retards the EM field signal, which equates to slower speed. That's why an electric pulse (EM field) in bare copper wire may travel at 1/3 the speed of light, but may travel close to c in a television cable. The reason being is that the television cable has dielectric material, which cancels some of the wires inductance and there's also an outer shield which cancels out a great deal of the inductance.
Paul Lowrance
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In my earlier post I said that my TPU has 3 horizontally coils and one coil wound vertically through the donut.
Yesterday I wound an additional coil horizontally around the TPU and connected the pulsing transistor...
What happened?
In the first moment the voltage goes up to 500V and then every second 1V up to 1100VDC!! The AC I cannot measure. As I have no compass I stole from my wife a needle. I magnetized it and it always hangs over the TPU. This needle was "sleeping" until now. At low frequencies 1-10Hz this needle is jumping up and down and that means, I have a rotating magnetic field. Every change in the frequency changes the current through the coil and the magnetic field is weaker or stronger. Now I can "see" this field! In one moment the magnetic field goes to heaven and when I change the frequency the field goes to the earth. In this way I can totally control the magnetic field!
My setup works at a frequency of 4-6kHz (remember, no scope)
The meters on my power supply shows +12V and a little current. My function generator is set at 1VDC output and can handle only low crrents.
Last night I was playing with my TPU and trying to get better results.
I have a large capacitor (4microfarad/430V) connected from the minus to the ~leg of my bridge rectifier. To get more power I changed the capacitor with a 10 mikrofarad/100V. What happened? I had no time to look to the meters because I had every 1 second a loud bang from the capacitor! All the electronics didn?t notice this. Of course I changed the cap again. What is the current to destroy a capacitor? In kV!!
While I was working on the TPU I touched one leg of the rectifier. WOW! In this little piece of copper is so much energy stored that I will never forget this. Then I understood: the coil builts up the energy slowly (1 second) but releases it very, very fast. Like a very large electrolyt. In this moment I?am thinking of Tesla (genius) and his device to capture energy from the environment. With his plate he grabbs the energy and with a condenser stores it and then discharges very quickly into a load.
Meanwhile I noticed that my setup of the TPU is a horror!!!
Why?
As my monster showed me his power I took a faze probe (a little screwdriver with a little lamp in)(Probierstift) and saw that it lits on all 4 legs of the bridge rectifier and that means that the rectifier must be removed!
The transistor is wrong! I need a transistor with a high B and this is a MPSU transistor with B = 10000 and then connect him to a transistor that can handle hundreds of volts.
The control coil could be longer and the wire 0,5mm ....
I think you have enough for today.
Please excuse me if I was boring you but I only want you to help a little if I can.
Regards
Otto
P.S. I hope I figured ot how to post my shematic!
Otto,
After re-reading your post I was wondering about the 4th collector coil you installed, is that wrapped around all of the coils including the control coil? To help clarify
As I understand it you wrapped the coax wire in 3 sections or coils with cork spacers, see below.....
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then wrapped the control vertically around a section of the dougnut
Was the 4th collector then wrapped horizontially around all coils?
Also you mentioned conecting the collector of the power transistor to the 4th collector coil as well as the control coil, is this accurate? do yo think this is providing a feedback loop of sorts? where did the other end of the coil connect to?
I was also thinking about the capacitor issue, have you tried connecting it accross the + and - terminals of the bridge rectifier? has it failed in this configuration also? If it was an electrolytic, the AC component would cause it to fail (blow up) and/or vent the gas produced by the electrolytic. Make sure the electrolytic is rated at least as high as the DC component otherwise it will fail again. you can series connect them to increase the voltage rating (this effectively halves the value of the capacitance if both are equal value though) or put them in parallel to increase the capacitance value.
I hope this was of some help. I am looking forward to further posts regarding your testing.
Carl
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Hi Otto,
you probably only need to have freewheel diodes ("Freilaufdioden") across your coils,
so you don?t burn up your transistors.
Just press the REPLY button under the last post on the page at the right side and
then opens up a new window with an Attach:
formular, where you can attach a file from your harddisk.
Otto, we would like to know how your device looks like and then we can help
you to get it better and safer.
Pay attention with big caps, when you rectify high voltages and store them
in big caps you can get killed, if you touch a 400 Volts DC charge 1 uF cap !
I once touched accidently a 2000 Volts DC source and it did throw
me across the table ! ;)
;(
P.S: If youi have posting problems then first type all the text into the Notepad editor
and save the file on your Harddisk and then copy and paste into the Reply formular
over here.
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@Tao,
what was your wrong setup and how do you think is now the right setup ?
Do you have a schematic or a picture for it ?
Thanks.
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WOW!! Everyone here has been extremely busy I can tell. As it has only been a little over a day and I had already fallen 10 pages behind! Well, please bear with me here, I am responding to posts from everyone over the last day so this is pretty long.
Hi Jason,
nice experiment.
Can you try to measure, if the output wattage is higher than the input wattage
in your circuit ?
Maybe put in series with the function-pulse-generator a 10 Ohm resistor, so you can measure
the current from the function-pulse-generator into the circuit.
Maybe you will find a frequency, where you have more output than input power ?
Many thanks for this interesting experiment.
I have considered electrostatic coupling to be partially to blame for this effect but in my best experiment I was able to produce 35mA at about 70VDC using a small 1:1 transformer. I hooked the hot wire from the function generator (set at 20V) onto one side of the primary, and I connected the ground wire of the secondary to one side of the secondary coil so that there would essentially be no current flow from the function generator. (It still worked without connecting the ground wire at all though). I then ran wires from the secondary coil to a bridge rectifier. For this particular circuit, I didn?t have the cap hooked up but it would easily light LEDs.
There was one other factor I haven?t mentioned that gave me this kind of output. I stuck a 1? x 1? x 0.5? SmCo magnet up against the side of the transformer which seemed to almost double the kicks that appeared on the secondary side of the transformer! Before using the magnet, I was getting something like 35VDC at 11mA max. The only problem is that the same magnet didn?t seem to work on any of the other transformers that I tried it with so I am wondering if it is genuinely causing the amplification of the signal I?m inputting or if it is just affecting the permeability of the core which was doing it. BTW, this was not a toroidal transformer; it was one of those small ferrite cylindrical ones where the coils are completely enclosed inside the middle of it.
When I tried the same experiment with some miscellaneous toroidal transformers I had found, the magnet just seemed to choke the signal rather than amplifying it. HOWEVER, I must say that I didn?t spend a lot of time playing with the magnet so it could be a simple matter of finding the right frequency that works with it. One thing is for sure, the magnet under the right conditions is definitely doing something good to the circuit.
As soon as I get the chance, I?ll post a diagram of my setup and specs as well as some photos of what I did.
@Dave,
VERY Nice controller circuit! I have been asking around for a while now trying to figure out how to create the 90 degree phase shift to run the rotating magnetic fields. After seeing your circuit diagram, I immediately went out and got all the needed electronic components to make your controller. What is the operating frequency range of your setup? Any idea how much power it draws from the battery to run?
About the kicks you are observing; as far as I understand, they are electrostatic in nature and occur when you tap the leads because the electric field that abruptly appears in the wire gives the electrons an abrupt ?kick? which makes the big spikes. But if you think about this, that is the power that we are looking for. Tesla experimented with this very effect with his spark gap experiments. The abrupt starting and stopping of the circuit is the key here. And from my experiments, I realized that I didn?t even need to input any current into the circuit to create the spikes. Anyone can see this simply by taking a simple coil, hooking a scope probe to one end and tapping the other end on the positive terminal of a battery. The voltage spikes I?ve gotten from doing that have always been way over the range of the screen! So if you use? say a MOSFET and switch a battery in and out of the circuit into a coil (not draining the battery just switching the voltage potential on and off), then you can actually create an oscillation in the coil at the right frequency. And in the case of my 1:1 transformer, for some weird reason, at the sweet spot, the voltage on the primary could be amplified up to 4 times on the secondary. Though the current output on the secondary may be quite small, the fact that there is any current at all when I am not inputting any current is an interesting effect in itself.
Jason!
I have tried to perform a simlar test as you. I have tested a torroid with another coil rapped around it at 90 degrees. Then I have tested sine and square waves. I am surprised to find that square waves can induce a perfect sinewave in the second coil, but a sine wave on the input just makes a small mess on the output. Also I have only few turns on the output, yet I can measure better voltage than the input.
I have tested the output by loading with 1ohm/5watt non-inductive resistor, the results can be seen below. By the way, I forgot to test with input ground floating, will try that later!
For better tests I will need to build a square wave pulse circuit at the resonant frequency (determinded by scope sweep), then I can run off a battery and measure DC power used on the INPUT to I can compare easier.
Please note the input signal is in RED, the output in BLUE.
(note- first pic should say unloaded, not inloaded)
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Great! I?m glad to know that someone else is getting the positive results that I have been seeing. I can give you some more tips for finding the ?sweet spot? for your coil. As you sweep through the frequencies with the square wave, you will notice that after a while, the square wave itself will turn into a sine wave at a high enough frequency (usually up in the 100?s of MHz though). But right around that time, is when I have seen the output voltages jump up to 4 times as high as the input. By the way, what kind of square wave are you using? A 0 DC offset wave or some other value? And what was the frequency you pulsed it with?
I would love to see a video about the compass spin up inside the center..
Hey Stefan,
I would love to see that video too, but I have found a video about Tesla on Google and in one scene 15 minutes into it. They show an exhibit where a small polyphase generator is turned by hand which feeds the current into one of Tesla?s toroidal stators. It has a big compass needle in the center and when they rotate the generator, you can see the rotating magnetic field make the compass needle spin:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=956328325858405664&q=Tesla&hl=en
i think of it's kinda frequenty switch
but i could be totally wrong here just "spinning" my mind.
greets marco
Marco, I think you might be onto something here :). Even if what we are seeing from the videos is just an optical illusion, having the asymmetric geometry could definitely work in our favor. Think ?frequency slamming? The rotating ?globs? of pulses in the device can get more and less concentrated as they circulate. This could simply help to enhance the interference of the frequencies.
For now we can only have theories about Steven Mark's device. Regardless where it gets the energy from there will always be heat generated by the current in the wires.
If I had but one request for legitimate "free energy" device inventors it would be the following ->
Please, could you please just get a simple 50 cent thermistor. All you need is connect the thermistor to a scope or multimeter. I have a $10 digital multimeter and a cheap thermistor that can measure temperate changes of just 10mW in a 3" iron toroid. In other words, if there is just 10 mW of energy being removed/added from/to the 3" iron toroid then I can sense it.
The thermistor only needs to make contact with the magnetic material. You can test both the PM or core in any experiment.
Hey, this request is on my Christmas list. :)
Paul Lowrance
Hi Paul,
My multimeter can measure temperature with the probes. The next time I do some tests with my transformer, I will measure it to see if there are any changes in the temperature.
Hello all,
thanks Hartiberlin
I?am wrighting this post the 4th time (trouble with the network im my company)
Now please take your time and reed this:
In my earlier post I have described my setup of my TPU. After I burned a lot of BDX33C transistors I decided to use a TIP 151 transistor.With this transistor the output voltage rised to 470-480VDC or 880VAC! My meter on the power supply showed me +12V and almost no current. This I call resonance. The frequency was 70-80 kHz. Of course I can also see the harmonics. How? At resonance my meter shows me peak voltage and if I change the frequency at a lower or higher frequency I have again a peak voltage but not so high as in the resonant frequency.
What happened?
Lets see the values for the transistors:
BDX33C = NPN DARL.+DI, 100V, 10A, 70W, >200MHz, B>750
TIP 155 = NPN DARL. 350V, 7A, 80W, >10MHz , B>150
As you can see the difference is in the voltage and in B (current gain). Frequency is not critical. For myself that means that I have to find transistors with very high B and voltage.This is very important because with this transistors we have to build our 2 oscillators. How I know that there are 2 of them? In an earlier post I saw pictures of a TPU and I saw 2 oscillators (2 little coils, 2 yellow condensators 2 mikrofarad/2000V, 2 large electrolytes, resistors and one or two heatsinks for the transistors).
And now someting new:
DISCLAIMER
I CANNOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY ACCIDENTS OR INJURIES THAT OCCUR FROM ANYONE TRYING TO REPLICATE MY TPU!! YOU RECREATE MY SETUP OF THE TPU AT YOUR OWN RISK.
What?s that??
In my earlier post I said that my TPU has 3 horizontally coils and one coil wound vertically through the donut.
Yesterday I wound an additional coil horizontally around the TPU and connected the pulsing transistor...
What happened?
In the first moment the voltage goes up to 500V and then every second 1V up to 1100VDC!! The AC I cannot measure. As I have no compass I stole from my wife a needle. I magnetized it and it always hangs over the TPU. This needle was "sleeping" until now. At low frequencies 1-10Hz this needle is jumping up and down and that means, I have a rotating magnetic field. Every change in the frequency changes the current through the coil and the magnetic field is weaker or stronger. Now I can "see" this field! In one moment the magnetic field goes to heaven and when I change the frequency the field goes to the earth. In this way I can totally control the magnetic field!
My setup works at a frequency of 4-6kHz (remember, no scope)
The meters on my power supply shows +12V and a little current. My function generator is set at 1VDC output and can handle only low crrents.
Last night I was playing with my TPU and trying to get better results.
I have a large capacitor (4microfarad/430V) connected from the minus to the ~leg of my bridge rectifier. To get more power I changed the capacitor with a 10 mikrofarad/100V. What happened? I had no time to look to the meters because I had every 1 second a loud bang from the capacitor! All the electronics didn?t notice this. Of course I changed the cap again. What is the current to destroy a capacitor? In kV!!
While I was working on the TPU I touched one leg of the rectifier. WOW! In this little piece of copper is so much energy stored that I will never forget this. Then I understood: the coil builts up the energy slowly (1 second) but releases it very, very fast. Like a very large electrolyt. In this moment I?am thinking of Tesla (genius) and his device to capture energy from the environment. With his plate he grabbs the energy and with a condenser stores it and then discharges very quickly into a load.
Meanwhile I noticed that my setup of the TPU is a horror!!!
Why?
As my monster showed me his power I took a faze probe (a little screwdriver with a little lamp in)(Probierstift) and saw that it lits on all 4 legs of the bridge rectifier and that means that the rectifier must be removed!
The transistor is wrong! I need a transistor with a high B and this is a MPSU transistor with B = 10000 and then connect him to a transistor that can handle hundreds of volts.
The control coil could be longer and the wire 0,5mm ....
I think you have enough for today.
Please excuse me if I was boring you but I only want you to help a little if I can.
Regards
Otto
P.S. I hope I figured ot how to post my shematic!
Otto,
That is amazing results you are getting there! Please post some pictures and a circuit diagram of what you did. I would love to see if I can get the same results as you.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Wow, this thread is moving along quite nicely. We finally have some builders in here. I have neglected for a long time, I got distracted after I started my own site I guess. Tao, it's come a long way since it was basically, you, me, and a few others working towards this. The thread is massive now. I'll go back through a bit and show some things we thought were important back in the day.
Here's the deal however. I see some frustration growing, and I can see why. Folks, if you want to know the basics of this thing it's all in this thread, right down to coil diagrams, and 3d renderings. What we have gathered from SMs posts, and what you are showing to be true via experimentation jives with what we theorized months ago. If any of this is a mystery go back into the thread a ways.
I'll post more in a bit.
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COULD IT BE that Iron wire or bailing wire, being magnetic wire, is able to increase this lag time and allow the radiant discharge only?
Dave.
@Dave, look at around page 100 of this thread, we have speculated that this is exactly what it's for. We need a control coil with a high rise time at penetration and slow relaxation time. Which means a material with good conductivity, but relatively high resistance. Soft iron, siSteel, etc. provide this. You can find this kind of wire, not only in bailing wire, (which I have found in soft iron at home depot), or you could use a thinner version which is already shielded, which is used in flower arrangements, etc.
I have a feeling that a thicker grade wire will produce better results however.
The coil arrangement we came up with earlier in our theorizing is as follows.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=712.0;attach=1532;image)
This is based on the info that Tao posted earlier that came from SM.
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
So you see, we have determined that the collectors are wound horizontally around the circumference, and the control coils (NOTE PLURAL) are wound VERTICALLY through the axis.... this from SM's own words.
One thing that is missing from the diagram above is the little tidbit about "the control wire is vertically wound in SEVERAL SEGMENTS around EACH of the collector coils.
So each collector coil being wound around the circumference then has several smaller control wires wound through the axis vertically, perhaps in series. Then the collectors with their respective control wires are stacked, and connected(two in parallel, one in series), and then a tertiary control winding is wound around all of the previous coils, consolidating them into one cohesive unit.
I'm not sure what Tao meant about his "faulty arrangement", or whether or not this arrangement is what he meant.
Boy I wish we had some of the old regulars around here for continuity's sake. Bob, Dean, etc, were all good contributors.
@Otto: is this arrangment even remotely like what you are testing? Just interested in how you are acheiving your results.
@JDO: I'm excited about your results as well, however, I have to say that your frequencies, your "sweet spots" are completely unexpected. Of course sweet spots will change with diameters, wire lengths, and coil arrangments as well as materials. I'm interested what those sweet spots would look like with an arrangement like I have outlined.
It seems you all have a piece of it. Now let's get them all together in the same unit.
Keep up the good work guys.
Regards.
Rich (gn0stik)
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Hello I will post my shematic
Otto
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Edit: Scraped, irrelevant.
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Hi all
I have followed the SM discussion since it started. I?ve been thinking a lot of the hints we got from Steven Mark. Here are some of my thoughts, so far I?ve not been able to do any experimenting my self, in lack of time. But hope to get time to start in about 2 month or so.
Harmonics, in an electrical system, are currents created by non-linear loads that generate non-sinusoidal (non-linear) current waveforms. These current and voltage wave forms operate on frequencies that are in multiples of the fundamental 60hz frequency. That is, the fundamental frequency is at 60 hertz, the 2nd harmonic is at 120hz frequency (60 x 2), the 3rd at 180 hertz, and so forth. Harmonics are principally the by-product of switch-mode power supply technology where AC is rectified to DC, and back again. In the process, a capacitor is charged in the first half-cycle, and then discharged in the next half-cycle, in supplying current to the load. This cycle is repeated. This action of recharging causes AC current to flow only during a portion of the AC voltage wave, in abrupt pulses. These abrupt pulses distort the fundamental wave shape causing distortion to the various harmonic frequencies.
Harmonic currents and voltages produced by single phase, non-linear loads which are connected phase-to-neutral in a three phase four wire system, are third order, zero sequence harmonics (the third harmonic and its odd multiples - 3rd, 9th, 15th, 21st, etc., phasors displaced by zero degrees). These third order, zero sequence harmonic currents, do not cancel but add up arithmetically on the neutral bus, creating a primary source of excessive neutral current.
He also stated that there is a heat problem, then this K-Factor pops up in to my mind. The K-Factor is defined as a ratio between the additional losses created by the harmonics and the eddy losses at the rated 60 Hz. This factor is used to specify the size of the transformer to meet the magnitude of the harmonic load in the circuit. This because the Harmonics create a lot of eddy current that will generate heat.
If we inject a ?kick? at every multiple, at right time. It should be possible to make the kicks to join in to a big kick.That could be repeated to you have many big kicks. Mark says it?s like a garden Water pipe, if you lift it up you start the flow, then to keep it flow we need to ?squeeze? in sequence too keep it flowing in right direction. The squeezing can be done by injecting pulses, by sequence via the controller windings to make a flow. The interesting gyro effect could be because a strong interaction with the magnetic field of the earth core, or that a strong rotating field is established with possibly could give this gyro effect.
With Regards
Kent /
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Just to add comments to cap100nf, and for those not understanding what he say. ;)
If you want to know what cap100nf talking about, just take a look of this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_factor to learn more if some of you didn't know this.
We call this power apparent power : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent power
Normally wiht electrical product, we dont like this power. Why? Because we can not use this power and it's more trouble. Example is we can mesure this power but not use it to power motor then the consumer will pay this power but without use it. Another trouble is if you have apparent power in your circuit, you must transport it, then you need bigger wire, bigger transformer, then a lot of added cost, ect. :-\
It's the reason, normally we don't like it and want to correct the power factor.
For harmonic, is the same think but this time like cap100nf said this time it's because of the peak coming from the fondamental 60 hertz here in america 120hz,180,240hz and up, or from any frequency like 50 hz in Europe if you like or if you like to generate any cycle added multiplier. Each king of transformer add some kind of dephase and depend of the circuit used (Some need curent in the begining of the cycle for exemple) add harmonics.
I don't know if the power production from Mark is related to this, but I just wanted to add coments on cap100nf comments.
I wich you Good luck, it will be fun if this work since it will change a lot of think ! And we say in french Merde to wish someone good luck ! ;)
Alp
Sergio
PS, One other trouble this power produce, since we must transport this power, on bad effect is this power have bring a lot of heat in transformer and wire if they are not enought powerfull. It's the reason now transformer are rated in VA (Volt*Ampere) This include apparent power more the real power Watts.
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Hi dave, that's tao's drawing from earlier in the thread.
The key to the magnet motion is not in the drawing, but what I think the drawing missed.
A. The individual control windings have several segments around each collector winding. several.. multiple.
B. Iron, or some other slow relax-time control wiring. This maximizes the kicks, via the bunching effect, and prolongs the magnetic field they give off. Fine tuning this material, I believe is the answer to the heating problems too. Even though the heating most likely takes place in the copper antenna(collector) winding, and not the control wiring.
There was a post around here somewhere with a diagram about a possible way to connect all of those collector windings... I can't find it anywhere. At any rate, tesla accomplished this too. I would look for patents information on how this was done.
Again, there are 4 control wiring sections, one section around each collector, then they are all wound by a larger one. The internal segments around the collectors are made of several smaller control windings.
How many all together? he didn't say. It's quite a few though.
Rich
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Guys, isn't this what Otto has done?
It appears from his posts that he is using the steel braid from some COAX to form his colletors. He stated in his last post his collector coils are formed from 95 strands of the shielding wire x 8 lengths which give him 760 wires all in parallel. He also stated he used a single control winding at first then added another collector over that and connected it to his control circuit output transistor which increased his output. I think we really should examine Otto's work and see if this provides us some insight.
Some outstanding questions I have are:
Are the collectors (horizontal coils) wound multiple times around or just once?
Will we get the same reaction/ouput if there is one colletor coil (wound multiple times, say 20 or so) using 16gauge stranded copper wire instead of the braid from the COAX?
Is his control coil using solid core or stranded wire?
Is the modification he made by adding that additional coil providing a positive feedback loop?
I am thinking that the orientation of the coils is the key here as well as the tickler circuit to drive the coils (the feedback mechanism)
Just some thoughts, I might be off base but I think this is worth pursuing.
Best regards,
Carl
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I agree, I don't think the kick is dependent on the the control wiring configuration. And kicks are what we should be working on at this point.
When the time comes to suss out the rotational magnetic piece of the puzzle, we can approach it like this.
The best way to find out how they are connected, IMO, is to wind just one collector coil circumferencially, around a cardboard tape center perhaps. Then wrap a few, say, three, 120 degree control coils around it vertically, through the axis. Connect those in series, apply a current, and see what happens. Then connect them in parallel and apply a current and see what happens. You will see different properties of the magnetic field generated when doing this, guaranteed. At that point see which is more beneficial. I don't think this is an insurmountable obstacle.
When we get to circuits, then we will have some difficulty. This is not the hard part.
Another way to look at it is to see how an electric motor works, since those utilize rotating magnetic fields to operate. here's a snippet from wikipedia.
The rotating magnetic field is a key principle in the operation of alternating-current motors. A permanent magnet in such a field will rotate so as to maintain its alignment with the external field. This effect was utilised in early alternating-current electric motors. A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems.
Because magnets degrade with time, synchronous motors and induction motors use short-circuited rotors (instead of a magnet) following the rotating magnetic field of a multicoiled stator. The short-circuited turns of the rotor develop eddy currents in the rotating field of the stator, and these currents in turn move the rotor by the Lorentz force.
In 1882, Nikola Tesla identified the concept of the rotating magnetic field. In 1885, Galileo Ferraris independently researched the concept. In 1888, Tesla gained U.S. Patent 381968 for his work. Also in 1888, Ferraris published his research in a paper to the Royal Academy of Sciences in Turin.
Here is a link to tesla's patent related to this concept, and work, it's his ac electric motor, and there is a lot of talk of rotating magnetic fields, and even a few wiring diagrams. Rotating magnetic fields is nothing new. ;)
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0381968.pdf
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Guys, isn't this what Otto has done?
It appears from his posts that he is using the steel braid from some COAX to form his colletors. He stated in his last post his collector coils are formed from 95 strands of the shielding wire x 8 lengths which give him 760 wires all in parallel. He also stated he used a single control winding at first then added another collector over that and connected it to his control circuit output transistor which increased his output. I think we really should examine Otto's work and see if this provides us some insight.
Some outstanding questions I have are:
Are the collectors (horizontal coils) wound multiple times around or just once?
Will we get the same reaction/ouput if there is one colletor coil (wound multiple times, say 20 or so) using 16gauge stranded copper wire instead of the braid from the COAX?
Is his control coil using solid core or stranded wire?
Is the modification he made by adding that additional coil providing a positive feedback loop?
I am thinking that the orientation of the coils is the key here as well as the tickler circuit to drive the coils (the feedback mechanism)
Just some thoughts, I might be off base but I think this is worth pursuing.
Best regards,
Carl
Carl,
I agree we need to get more info on what Otto is doing, so we can verify, and replicate, he seems like he's really gotten a ways down the road with his TPU, however it would be great if he posted some sketches or pictures of his device, so that we can more accurately determine what's going on.
Well see what happens.
Rich
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gn0stik,
Yes I agree that Otto should post a few Pix of his setup so we can see what he has been doing.
I had a thought what if the rotational effect is a result of a delay line effect? Pulses traveling down the wire takes so long to get to the end and and before it reaches the end another is induced, then another etc...
What do you think?
regards,
Carl
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Well Dave, there's no way to be sure, really, unless we try different materials. My educated guess is that it is necessary, and after going back and reading through the thread a bit I can see where we were coming from on that.
The reasoning is two fold. Iron wire will have a higher resistance, hence lower levels of voltage will be needed to create the "bunching' effect that causes radiant to explode off the surface at 90 degrees to the winding. (see Tao's post about the SM communications). The higher the resistance, the lower the voltage, that will be necessary for creating the effect. Tesla used hundreds of thousands of volts, and literally vaporized copper wire, which has much lower resistance than soft iron.
For us, the iron gives us the ability to do this with lower voltage, a few hundred or .5 kv, say.
The second reason is the slow relaxation time of the magnetic field in ferrous material, this will allow us to control the motion of the magnetic field more easily, and hence control the kicks, and give us both a more powerful and more CONTROLLABLE device. Read the comments about the kill switch, made by SM via Mannix. This device is DANGROUS, and that's the primary reason SM hasn't just posted a step-by-step. If we understand it, we'll know it, and we'll know the dangers, and take precautions.
The jet turbine comment made by marco, is a recurring theme brought up by Mannix, and SM. With anything dealing with motion of a magnetic field, preserving imbalance is critical to operation. Good eye. I have no idea how that slipped by us. I have to take a closer look at videos and pics.
Rich
gn0stik,
Yes I agree that Otto should post a few Pix of his setup so we can see what he has been doing.
I had a thought what if the rotational effect is a result of a delay line effect? Pulses traveling down the wire takes so long to get to the end and and before it reaches the end another is induced, then another etc...
What do you think?
regards,
Carl
That seems to be the case Carl, have you read Mannix's "parable" also in this thread? The one with the king etc, etc?
Regards,
Rich
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Hi All, great teamwork so far. Nice brainstorming. But let us first try the simple experiments to understand one step by the next one. As 3 output coils and 4 control coils have many possibillities to be put in series or parallel, it would be good to just first understand the effect from One control coil to One output coil !
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Dave did you verify the effect, that, if you turn your output coil upside down the pulses are different, or was this an experimentation error ?
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Otto, thanks for posting your schematics. A bit smallsize, but you did get it done.Great. Well you definately need a parallel diode to the coil at the collector of your transistor, otherwise you will blow up all your transistors. Put the diode with the cathode to plus 12 volt and with the anode to the collector of your transistor. This will help.
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Dave ,I have to watch again the movies, but I think you are right, that the magnet Steven holds in his hands and touches with it the big toroidal ring seems not to stick to it, so you would be right, that the toroid does not contain any iron coils or materials. Great observation!
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do the math guys!
i keep seeing 5's and 6's popping up everywhere! there are also the musical variences of 8's and 13's: talk about placements of your control wires?
has anbody tested these placements of phi and pi?
look at these numbers and you should find in every case they are divisible to whole numbers, they are divisible to infinite numbers, and they are divisible to repeating numbers!
what does this mean, i havn't got a clue? just thought it must be important since my mind came to it in a dream.
stranger things have happened to me before.
maybe putting the control wires at the 5 and 6 points on the circle and slightly offsetting them on the third with the 8 and 13 points will get the best effect because it seems to be where the "kicks" ARE occuring.
hmm ;D
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Jason, if you get 70 volts at 35 mA already out, that is already about 2,45 Watts. Do your LEDs also suggest, that it is this much of power ? Can you already run a small inc. bulb with it ?
How much is then the input power? if you don?t connect the earth from your function generator, you probably still draw current capacitively from the function generator. Try to insolate him from the groundline and try again. At high frequencies you already have RF effects playing a role!
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Hi Otto,
I saw the image of your circuit setup. I just wanted to verify a couple of details in the diagram.
1.From what I see, you have the collector of your transistor connected to the positive terminal of your DC voltage source, and the negative terminal of the voltage source is grounded? Or just disconnected?
2. The piece of wire pictured that goes from +12V to the transistor, is that a resister, a coil, or just a straight piece of wire?
Thanks!
God Bless,
Jason O
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When Steven said, 3 output coils are important and he said it will spin like a jet engine, then I think we have a vortex here, as the 3 coils are ontop of each other and are probably 120 degrees out of phase, so the magnetic field will go up and down in them.
Now if the 3 control coils around them are also all 120 degres out of phase, we have a magnet field which rotates in a circle. Now if you superimpose that all, you will get a vortex field. Now the question is, for what reason is there the oter last coil, wrapped around all the other coils ?
Is it there to give the vortex the right direction or be any feedback coil ?
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Here's another "blast from the past"
Earlier in this thread mannix posted a parable or "bed time story" for us to elucidate upon.
Hi all,
Just a part of "the master of magnetics" That i thought I would share ...just for fun and entertainment purposes a bed time story!
Wunce upon a time in a microsecond far away in a land under the noses of all, there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home but they were sent the longest way possible. Their king told them that it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way . They were told that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit. So their king gave them a big kick to send them on their way and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them. "See you at the arranged time, back here" he said and off they went!
Some short time later the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey,down another wire . He did this a few times . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together and crash int each other. The king was worried about this so he disconnected the return wires before any of them arrived home ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.
Meanwhile the electrons were still on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened? they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was. They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends. Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much more room . They told their friends and almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home the short way. The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and their friends and their friends as well, and they just kept on comming .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come. . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other big wire that was not for his travellers. the king was relieved that they had taken the shortcut ..but when he saw all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the main return wire was a bad mistake. He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire that led somewhhere else and joined them together. he managed to get most othe uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.. told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumpung and pushing. It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by that he had no way of dealing with them so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whizz by . He would tell some of them that the pary was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster. He even sent some of them down the bing weavy wire to let the others know that the party was over, but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice ..Im told that he went to a power generator where none of this sillynes could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.
One day in a land under the noses of all the kings there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home but they were sent the longest way possible ,it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way . They were told that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit. So their king gave them a big kick and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them. See you at the arranged time back here he said and off they went!
Some short time later the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey.down another wire . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together so he disconnected the return wire before any of them arrived home ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.
Meanwhile the electrons were on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened? they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was. They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends. Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much for room . They told their friends and almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home.The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and they just kept on comming .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come. . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other.new found wire that was not for his travellers. the king was relieved ..but when he saw all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the return wire was a bad mistake. He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire that led somewhhere else and joined them together managed to get most othe uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.. told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumpung and pushing. It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by that he had no way of dealing with them so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whizz by . He would tell some of them that the pary was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster. He even sent some of them down the ling weavy wire to let the others know that the party was over but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice ..Im told that he went to a power generator where none of this sillynes could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.
There you go.
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Jason could you please post a picture from your setup, where you got 70 volts and 35 mA out ?
If you substitute the 2 coils just via a capacitor, do you then get the same effects (maybe at different frequencies) ?
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I think the King giving the electrons a kick is a pulse generator giving a short pulse to the control coil and then the party is the resonance of the control coil and the electrons then "jump" ? or influence bigger currents in the output coils as Jason and Dave have seen in their experiments. Now we need to drive the control coils only with short pulses and not square waves !
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The collectors are the "antennas" Stephan they are the ones that require tuning, not the control wires.
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Jason click on Ottos small pic and it will bring you to a bit bigger pic at imageshack.com
He has one coil from plus 12 volts going to his collector, so that is a coil and no resistor or shotcut.
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gnostik, as you pulse the control coils, they must resonate from the pulse, right ? Do you think the 3 collector coils must also be tuned to this frequency or frequency/windings relationship ? I go with the 3D pic Tao desgned of the TPU.
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Dave, just wind a longer control coil around your collector coil and try again. Maybe then you also get more output. Also please try Litz wire for the output coil. You probably also need more windings for your output coil, so your effiency will go up ....
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Do we have a capacitive coupling between the control and output coil or is it inductive ? I think this is a very important question.
If it is purely capacitive, then more windings gives more power transfer thus more efficiency. And also multi strand wire=Litz wire will then also give better results !
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Marco, alright, caps can then be used in the final product, but just for testing it is easier to try with short pulses from a function generator, which Jason and Dave have done sucessfully and they are seeing all the "kicks" already.
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If we go again by the example of the garden waterhose for the output coil, you can get more water out via one squeeze, when the waterhose has a big diameter, so Dave try to use bigger diameter output coil wires. Try to use loudspeaker wire, if you have some, that is nice multistranded and use many windings, maybe even in parallel ?
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gnostik, as you pulse the control coils, they must resonate from the pulse, right ? Do you think the 3 collector coils must also be tuned to this frequency or frequency/windings relationship ? I go with the 3D pic Tao desgned of the TPU.
Yes they do, but it seems to me that your going about it backwards. SM clearly stated that there are specific frequencies to work with, in order to make the collector coils you will have to know what 1/4 wave to wind them to AHEAD of time, since they are at the center of everything else, and you can't get to them after the fact, and if your too short, you can't add wire to it later on. Then you make the entire circuit resonant with them. Note: SM said frequencies, again, multiple.
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together, I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.
What is he talking about here? What is the worst case scenario? It would seem to me that when your talking about frequencies, the worst case scenario is .... superimposition.
This was intended to be dripped into the experiment later but here it is.
We are getting ahead of ourselves here, this is all in the thread Stephan.
For now, we need to concentrate on the results that Otto, JDO, and Dave, and any other builders are getting.
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Hi Dave, you might be right in the case of a real grounded device, but the TPU is not grounded at all, so the placing of the transistor should not play a big role....
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Marco, caps is a good approach, as you need a fast sendoff, and fast SHUTOFF. That is the action that creates the bunching effect, and in turn creates the kicks.
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Gnostik, you are right, pulsing a coil with multiple pulses will give a curious high power RF burst in it, as you can see with the Newman coils, when the commutator makes multiple very short breaking contacts from the battery to the Newman coil. There you have the same effect of immense radiation around the coil. Steven Mark seems to capture this radiation capacitively!
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P.S. In the Newman machines the radiation is lost, cause it is radiated away from the coil. if we would wire around the Newman coilwire perpendicular another wire and use this combination to build a Newman coil, one could probably get very nice power out of it !
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P.S. In the Newman machines the radiation is lost, cause it is radiated away from the coil. if we would wire around the Newman coilwire perpendicular another wire and use this combination to build a Newman coil, one could probably get very nice power out of it !
I'm not familiar with the newman machines. But capturing the radiant is the key to many of these machines. See gray's tube device that he used to capture the radiant after he split the positive.
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i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.
I believe that effect is caused by ionization of the air molecules which makes it easier to bridge the gap and the spark rises due to thermal heating.
Regards
Carl
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i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.
This device is called a "jacobs ladder", another Tesla invention. The reason the arc moves upward is because it's powered in very rapid pulses of electricity. The heat of the last strike creates more resistance in the same spot, so it finds the spot with the next least resistance, which is farther up the gap, this along with ionization are the cause.. When the lower area cools enough the spark begins at the bottom again. At least this is my understanding of it.
Regards.
Rich
Edit: oops looks like carl got to it before I did.
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i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.
The device I believe you are descibing is a "jacobs ladder" the reason the arc moves up is the air acts as a conducter a byproduct of this effect is heating of the air which makes it a better conducter but the hot air rises. With enough voltage the arc will jump from the widest gap at the top lose its ionized heat pocket and reset to the closest arc point to start again.
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gn0stik,
I just couldn't recall the name of the device, thanks
Carl
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Just out of interest I have tried pulsing a coil from different ends and the wave shape is quite different, why is this?
Regards,
Dave.
Dave, it depends also of the emitter potential !
If you pulse the transistor ALWAYS between emitter and
basis this should be equal !
Try it as you have a floating scope your groundlines
should not influence..
P.S: Also only attach a picture.
You don?t need to press the imagelink in your posting,
just attach the file, otherwise there will be a missing picture be displayed which is
confusing...
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Hi Tao,
nice ideas with the 2 different flows.
You can see exactly here:
http://overunity.com/newman/arcing2.JPG
as the current is broken by the mechanical switch the DC input current
into my coil at 33 mA is broken and then a spark jumps across the switch wich
brings this negative current spike into the battery back.
Also the coil itsself has a huge radiant impulse in it and it is
radiated away from the coil and interferes all radio reception in the neighbourhood !
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Here you can see the circuit diagramm,
but the switch in it should then be better at the negative side of the battery.
http://overunity.com/newman2/newman1.gif
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Here you can see a 2 trace scope shot.
http://overunity.com/newman/voltrise.jpg
The upper trace is the capacitor supply voltage at my
voltage doubler supply, ( low capacitance, so you still see the 50 Hz
supply ripple)
and the lower trace is the input current into the coil.
You see the 33 mA at around 620 Volts input current there
due to the ohmic resistance of the coil.
Now if the commutator opens, a spark occurs and a back current pulse
back to the capacitor supply occurs, which in fact does recharge the caps
so you see it in the upper trace the voltage rises over the 620 Volts input during
the back current pulse !
P.S: If I would have taken a 620 Volts battery instead of a voltage doubler feeded from the
grid the upper trace would have shown a flat voltage line and only during the back current
pulse the voltage would have risen....!
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Stefan,
Regards to Newmans and noise, have you ever tried applying white noise signal to a transistor which pulses a large coil as marco has said?
Regards,
Dave.
No, not yet, what should be the effect ?
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Check out these 5 videos:
http://overunity.com/newman/spike1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/arctest1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/arctest2.avi
and this is my Newman machine I tried it on:
http://overunity.com/newman/newmanmotor1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/newmanmotor2.avi
and this is the circuit for it:
http://overunity.com/newman/NEWMCIRC.JPG
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Hi Stefan,
As the newmans coil works by noise created in the commutator, I wondered if white noise transistor pulse may be able to create the same affect by with solid state? Or is an acutal spark the only answer?
Regards,
Dave.
It only works, when you have the right spark at a mechanical commutator !
Or you need at least to have a gas discharge when the current is broken with it,
so I had this idea, which I did not yet try:
http://overunity.com/newman/newman_battery_charger.jpg
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Well at least the negative current pulse which has some RF bursts superimposed
back to the batteries does NOT occur, if you only use transistor switching.
But there would probably still be the radiant pulse inside the coil.
So to use the Newman setup as a battery charger you need to have mechanical
switching, also with the right materials at the contacts, best copper and graphite
so far...
There must be this glow discharge at the spark to get this negative current spike.
With pure transistor switching this never occurs !
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In this diagramm:
http://overunity.com/newman/NEWMCIRC.JPG
"Spule" means the Newman coil
and there is just shown its electrical compensation circuit.
In real it is just a big coil !
I used the right coil in this picture for as the Newman coil ( Spule).
http://overunity.com/newman/2coils.jpg
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Tao,
From my two scope shots, are you saying the first one with high peaks are actually radiant kicks?
And the second one which is symmetrical is symmetrical because in that one the transistor is in the positive end of the coil?
Thanks,
Dave.
Dave , please try to drive in both cases with the function generator being connected
between base and emitter directly and not between ground and
base and try again. Then there should be no difference....
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when i was a litte boy i found in an old bag from my dad inside some thing they use in a car for ignition.....
i connected the thing to the output of my hifi stereo set and the result was EXTREME for me that times.
especialy as i putted in "white noise" from the reciever.
that same thing i used later when i was older for putting on my sigarette boy i scared the shi* outa my frends ;D
Okay, Marco,
but you used white noise on the primary of the ignition coil transformer
to get a high voltage spark jump at the secondary , right ?
This is different to pulsing the primary with DC pulses.
You have more voltage changes per second, so you surely will get more
output at the secondary !
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hey hartiberlin,
why did my post just go away? i really did want to know if anyone had tried any pi and phi circuits with the musical harmonics of the 8's and 13's. why would that be something that would just disapear? without a comment.
i know my post made it to the site i read it myself.
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@Supersam,
have not deleted something,
please post again, if you don?t find it.
@Dave,
nice setup with the noise generator driving the tranformer.
Can you light up now a big neon or fluorescent bulb
at the 240 Volts side of the transformer ?`
Then Output versus input power ?
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@ Dave,
please don?t use the image Link insert button , if you attach pics,
just attach the pics in the "Attach:" form. Thanks.
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@Dave:
at around 2 KiloVolts Peek to Peek you should be able to light up
quite nicely a fluorescent bulb at the output.
What is the input current into the 12 Volts side of the transformer ?
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hey dave,
you might want to concider the use of pi and phi along with the ratio of 8 and 13. 8 and 13 are the number of musical notes in a scale. depending on whether it is chromatic or not: but the ratio of 8 and 13 also produces the magic trinity of whole number divisions, infinite number divisions , and repeating number divisions.
8/13=1.625 slightly off the 1.618. 360/5=72,360/6=60. 72/60=1.2(KINDA LIKE 12) 60/72=.8333333333333333333333333333333333333333(REPEATER) 10/3=PI INFINITE NUMBER.
8(musical notes in a scale), 13 (musical notes in a chromatic scale). 8/13=1.625, 13/8=.6154 on into eternity like pi). 360/8=45. 360/13=27.69 on into eternity.
you can figure out the rest! do you get the picture?, it's just a guess, but where do you think a good place to start looking for the missing link ( the control coils ) segments should be placed)?
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Sam, I'm not really following what you are saying.
I appreciate golden numbers, math, etc. As they are the simplest expression of nature, however, I'm not following what that has to do with coil arrangement.
Regards.
Rich
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hey, good going marco, I've always just assumed the top one was the one to go with. Let us know which one works better.
Rich
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hey rich,
back on page 179 you said the missing link was where to place and how many control wires............. i just thought it might give you a hint. those numbers 5 and 6 just keep poping up. like i said what it means i havn't a clue. you just might want to look at them. the same with 8 and 13, they are the numbers of notes in a musical (harmonics) scale! depending on whether it is chromatic or not. that means whether it has all the sharps, or all the flats.
lol
sam
p.s. i hope somebody figures this out!
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5/360=72, 6/360=60,60/72=.833333333333333333333, 72/60=1.2.
360/8=45,360/13=27.69 oninto infinity like pi.
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There are two kind of systems in a electro magnetism, one is a closed systems and the other is a open system.What we all have educated, is a closed system,but in fact, the closed EM systems seems to be only a minor property of the electricity nature in a space.
But there is also an other system, open system where it is possible to energy transfer by the phase conjugation system,when the magnetic energy is insulated from the EM wave by cutting the magnetic lines with a bifilar coil structures,like there seems to be in a Mark`s device.
In fact,it seems that a closed EM systems plays only a minor part in a electricity nature,and open systems can explain the most of the phenomena in a electricity nature.
If you want to discuss more about this subject,you can contact with
esa.maunu@kolumbus.fi
Here is a link to theory about open EM systems,
http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Links/Papers/BibhasDe.pdf#search=%22magnetostatic%20wave%20source%22
I hope you have some new insights to Mark device with this discussion,and i wish a good luck to all of you,when you are researcing Steven Mark device principle.
I am now concentrated to artificial gravity fields,and this takes my time in a near future.
With best regards,
Esa
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Hello. I am very interested in the work you guys are doing here. This is one of the longest threads I think I've ever seen, well, ANYWHERE. :) I'm glad to see the work continuing.
May I suggest that you guys try a chat service, like IRC, or another such network, for a more immediate form of interaction? Dozens of pages here in just the span of a few days is a bit difficult to move through. And if interest is this high in experimentation, maybe work could be done more quickly via interactive chat? Just a thought.
I haven't been able to work on a TPU myself, but I have a few questions for all of you, if you don't mind. First, does anyone know if the Steven Mark device is still in operation? I ask because he says in his videos that the voltage fluctuates a bit. Not much, but it does. * I believe that to be very important as to its source of power. * Does the device need "fine tuning" over time, to keep it working in good order? Has he had to increase the frequency of his coils over the years?
I ask this because from all that I have heard, it appears that this device utilizes the Schumann resonances. In the past decades, apparently the base frequency has been raising from the original 7.83 Hz to upwards of 11 Hz and even higher. The HAARP projects, sun activity, and other phenomena may be changing this, but I believe these changes are affecting the ionosphere. I've read that the vertical current flow that's between the Earth and the ionosphere is potentially enormous, if tapped. Have you guys heard about this?
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the frequencies increased dramatically... if the atmosphere would change so dramatically that most of our technology would cease to operate. Would a device based on resonating Schumann frequencies still operate? The power there doesn't lie inside the Earth, rather within the atmosphere itself.
Does anyone here listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell? Not to drift too far off, he mentioned a few times about the HUGE radio towers he erected at his prior home in Pahrump, Nevada. What was so strange about these towers was that no matter what the conditions outside, there was a CONSTANT voltage on them! He had to ground them out, so his equipment would be protected. But... was it something special about their construction which tapped into this energy in the atmosphere? Their length? Their material makeup?
Just some things to think about I suppose. I'm sorry if this information was posted prior.
Thanks for listening.
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From Mannix's post "Wunce upon a time"........Note the two references to a "bigger wire". (another bigger wire is mentioned later which leads out of the "kingdom" to the power converter)
<<Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much more room .>>
<<When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other big wire that was not for his travellers. >>
So, is this referring to two of the coils being pulsed and the third coil, being bigger, (in the middle, maybe) acquiring/gathering the electrons for use?
Kent
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Hello. I am very interested in the work you guys are doing here. This is one of the longest threads I think I've ever seen, well, ANYWHERE. :) I'm glad to see the work continuing.
May I suggest that you guys try a chat service, like IRC, or another such network, for a more immediate form of interaction? Dozens of pages here in just the span of a few days is a bit difficult to move through. And if interest is this high in experimentation, maybe work could be done more quickly via interactive chat? Just a thought.
I haven't been able to work on a TPU myself, but I have a few questions for all of you, if you don't mind. First, does anyone know if the Steven Mark device is still in operation? I ask because he says in his videos that the voltage fluctuates a bit. Not much, but it does. * I believe that to be very important as to its source of power. * Does the device need "fine tuning" over time, to keep it working in good order? Has he had to increase the frequency of his coils over the years?
I ask this because from all that I have heard, it appears that this device utilizes the Schumann resonances. In the past decades, apparently the base frequency has been raising from the original 7.83 Hz to upwards of 11 Hz and even higher. The HAARP projects, sun activity, and other phenomena may be changing this, but I believe these changes are affecting the ionosphere. I've read that the vertical current flow that's between the Earth and the ionosphere is potentially enormous, if tapped. Have you guys heard about this?
It would be interesting to see what would happen if the frequencies increased dramatically... if the atmosphere would change so dramatically that most of our technology would cease to operate. Would a device based on resonating Schumann frequencies still operate? The power there doesn't lie inside the Earth, rather within the atmosphere itself.
Does anyone here listen to Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell? Not to drift too far off, he mentioned a few times about the HUGE radio towers he erected at his prior home in Pahrump, Nevada. What was so strange about these towers was that no matter what the conditions outside, there was a CONSTANT voltage on them! He had to ground them out, so his equipment would be protected. But... was it something special about their construction which tapped into this energy in the atmosphere? Their length? Their material makeup?
Just some things to think about I suppose. I'm sorry if this information was posted prior.
Thanks for listening.
The Schumann frequenceies are a range of frequencies, 7.83 is the lowest. Then 9, 13, 16, 25, and 45, or so.. That's just from memory. At any rate, They are not rising, for them to rise or lower the earth would have to cool/heat. The earth itself, NOT it's atmosphere, either that, or it's rotation would have to slow, or a few other factors. Since that is not happening (at least not at a rate that is appreciable in the span of several human generations) the resonances are NOT changing, there are several, and we are discovering more, the more we learn about them. Also, human(and animal) behavior would change radically since our brains are effected by the Schumann resonances, look into the resonances and, the brain's frequencies. Specifically Alpha, Beta, and Theta. Pretty interesting. What might be happening however, is the beginning of a pole reversal, which would cause them to fluctuate wildly, And by the way would cause global warming for a while, we are due for one.
This would defenitely screw with SM's device operation.
The Phenomena Art Bell(or george noory) was discovering, was RF frequency being picked up from other remote towers most likely, or residual energy from remote lightning strikes. Yes, it's because it was very tall. You can do the same thing with a stripped piece of coax cable about 200 feet long after a lightning storm, and charge capacitors with it, or just watch 8' sparks fly off the end if you have treated it so the insulation is an electret.
Hijacking RF energy is kinda like cheating in the FE research field. But lightening is fair game. ;)
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From Mannix's post "Wunce upon a time"........Note the two references to a "bigger wire". (another bigger wire is mentioned later which leads out of the "kingdom" to the power converter)
<<Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much more room .>>
<<When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other big wire that was not for his travellers. >>
So, is this referring to two of the coils being pulsed and the third coil, being bigger, (in the middle, maybe) acquiring/gathering the electrons for use?
Kent
Yeah, Kent, this has troubled me too. I think the multistrand cable is what this is referring to.... what the collectors are wound with.
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Cool. You guys are awesome.
@Tao, I sent Mannix an email to invite him back, yesterday, as I saw him lurking the boards, but not posting. He always wanted some building and experimentation, and result sharing to take place. Now he's not here to appreciate it. Anyway, have a nice time in Vegas. Don't break the bank. Yours or theirs. Don't fry your brain on too much booze or peyote, or whatever. And whatever you do, what happens in vegas STAYS in vegas. I have a few skeletons down their myself, if you see them, tell them I'm doing well.
@Dave, First off, I can see it in the first pic, but not the second pic. It takes a LONG time for that wave to relax on iron wire. The copper goes back to flat super fast comparatively. The second pic, I can see something, but the divs are too big. I notice a slightly higher rise time, and slightly slower relax time.
Try Discharging a capacitor across a spark gap. Spark plug, pencil leads, whatever, into your coil. I'm pretty sure that will pronounce the effect, as it's pretty much going to amount to a function of potential vs. resistance, any wire, with any level of resistance can exhibit the effect, so long as the potential you feed it, is high enough.
If Iron doesn't work at the voltage you are working with, try perhaps aluminum, electric fence wire. That stuff would be a bitch to wind though. I have to tell you.
You post some really nice diagrams, and graphs by the way. Nice work. It must be nice to have a decent lab to work out of.
@marco: I understand. we have a tendency to get off track when we theorize too much.
I'm not really sure what I'm looking at in your drawings however. safety first is a great motto.
keep up the good work man.
@otto: come back man.... where'd you go?
Rich
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Dear all,
As we have been discussing bailing wire and any strange properties this wire may have as it is made from iron and its magnetic, I have done some tests on a 100m worth of bailing wire in a coil. I have compared with waveform from a coil of copper to show any differences.
Firstly I have pulsed the coils and the iron coil is able to mantain an oscillation for longer before it damps out. I have measured the inductance of the copper coil and its is 1.97H, the iron coil is 12.98mH. So the copper coil has much more inductance, yet the iron coil has smaller inductance and can maintain self inductive oscillation for longer than the copper coil. Perhaps this is a key in the SM device? Can this be due to the fact the coil is made from a magnetic susbtance?
Hi Dave, this is very interesting.
How did you measure the inductance of the iron coil ?
Where there are turn winding differences with these both coils and how big were they ?
Different diameter ?
Did you measure the inductance via tau= L / R reaching 69 % of the maximum voltage
when you give it a DC pulse ? or or with a meter ?
It could be that a meter device for measuring it could read it wrong with an iron coil I guess,
cause they are only build for copper coils.
From your scope shots it is clear, that the iron coil can store more energy.
I also tested some iron coils some time back and saw, that they did not have
any Back EMF at all.
It probably depends on the current and the saturation level of the magnetism,
but iron coils will have still real mysterious effect to find out by us...
So if your inductance is really only 12 mH and you can store more energy,
then it is probaby due to its magnetism somehow or it release more energy
than was put into it !
So please check it out some more.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Dave,
try to see,
if you make a transformer out of 1 iron coil and 1 copper coil
or 2 iron coils, if you pulse it at the input iron coil,
if you can get more energy out at the secondary coil.
Thanks !
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dave
it looks like eight and thirteen to me. do you see it? you have to have the harmonics.
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dave
it looks like eight and thirteen to me. do you see it? you have to have the harmonics.
Sam,
At this time, I don't think we're ready to speculate on your theory, or apply it to our experiments. Perhaps in the future, if you explain it fully, we can apply it when we're at the stage of winding complete units.
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Hi all
I am attaching a short article by Konstantin Meyl. He claims to have overunity with Tesla radiant energy using low voltage electronics. This seems to be also what SM is doing?
This is obviously a translation from I think, German. Maybe some of the German speaking members could contact him directly for input?
Tishatang
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Off topic question:
Anyone here know why longitudinal waves are called scalar waves? This makes no sense, since they have motion or direction. Any force or energy that has direction as well as magnitude is called a vector quantity in physics(inertia, kinetic, momentum are all vector quantities). Scalar has magnitude, but no direction(gravity, potential energy, are scalar quantities). Longitudinal waves are still waves are they not? And hence have direction, they apparently radiate, or the energy drawn from it would not be called radiant energy.
from the first article.
I have solved this question, by extending Maxwell?s field theory for vortices of the
electric field. These so-called potential vortices are able to form structure and they
propagate in space for reason of their particle nature as a longitudinal shock wave.
if it propagates, it has direction, and cannot be a scalar quantity. see what I mean?
The sea of energy we call the ether, may be a scalar quantity, but wave moving through it are not..
I have never understood why they call it scalar. Can someone enlighten me?
Rich
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Hi Guys,
I've been researching on how i should go about building my first SM energy coil, There is a simple setup with three wound coils on a toroid soft iron structure, i'll might start with this setup. the first video where you see him with what looks like two rings and magnets placed on them seem very easy to build. anyway there seems something about using the kicks been generated that makes this all work...lol, hope i got that right.
theres something of interest, which i came across on one of my little electronic-mini engineers books, its shows a 555timer driving a normal transformer, dc to dc converter really, look at the output vs input, its a staggering amount out. Of course there are no magnets setup on this type of scenario, but what if we placed magnets near by, this may make a huge difference on the performance of the device.
Anyway this cct is easy to build and putting together
will keep you guys posted
Mrd
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They key here is to find kicks that are not taken from the supply. I could discharge a cap in to a low impeadance coil with a secondary and generate a kick, but the energy of this kick as come from the capacitor. If the energy in the kick equals the energy taken from the supply then we have nothing.
This is where the frequencies will come in I think. SM has repeatedly said that that is where the lion's share of excess power comes in. Saying, "if someone accidentally stumbled on the frequencies, and got themselves hurt".
They are, as of yet, an ongoing mystery. He says we need to create, "the worst possible scenario of frequencies". Does this indicate we are going for superposition of waves, so as to create some kind of continuing oscillation?
In one of the other threads, someone posted something, with some screenshots and a schematic of a circuit, in which he pulsed the circuit once, and the oscillations did not stop. I believe the link he provided went to a page called "strange oscillator," Or something like that. Pretty interesting link. I'll see if I can find it.
Rich
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Hi guys, I just got an email response from Mannix to one I sent him a while back, letting him know about the progress we were making with people jumping in and winding coils and getting results. He replied with mostly positive sentiments, but pointed me to a post he made back in august. It was posted by someone who did not want to get involved in the discussion.
The reason he posted it, was because SM said that he "had most of it". Here is the post.
Hi all,
Looks like things need shakup around here,
Somebody who does not want to enter the fray of "discussion" sent me this.
Greetings, Mr. Mannix:
My name is Not for publication. For several years I have been building my own designs for motors and replications of mainly Bedini-type energizers and circuits. Indeed, I have about five iterations running at any one time. I have closely followed the efforst of Stefan Harman, Edwin Badertscher, Jean-Loius Naudin, Marcus Wagner, Paul Lindemann, and several others through different cooperative building groups and have contributed myself.
I believe through my own building efforts and research, I have learned a great deal about electromagnetic circuits.
I took about a week and pored through every single post in the long string of posts concerning Mr. Steven Mark and his invention. The simple elegance of his device left me speechless. It makes perfect sense to me. (I was educated a long time ago as a EE)
Here is what I preceive in his power toroidal device, and I will try to make this concise and sensical:
1. When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil. This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again. It is also a point where that coil/transistor combination produce a high voltage output which one can gather from the collector of the transistor. If left unchecked, this resonant frequency of on/off switching will burn up the transistor, and thus a resistor must be put into the trigger winding circuit to lessen the voltage produced in the winding. It is one element of what I believe is happening in the Mark device.
2. When one places several coils around a toroid, one can think of switching from one to the next, preferably sequentially, the minimum number of coils being three. In this case one could use the trigger winding from one coil to turn on the power of the second coil, the trigger from the second to the third power, the third trigger to the power winding of the first coil.
3. Flux can switch directions within a ferrous material instantaneously, and some say superluminally. It takes very little switching power to flip flux "bundles" from one direction to another, given that there is a good path for the flux to move through. The toroid is perfect for this. If one were to turn on a magnetic field in one coil, that flux permeates most of the toroid, but more importantly is perceived by the next coil. This in turn triggers that coil to operate, and the first coil field is shut down. In this way, one could use coils to move the flux in PULSES around the toroid. This switching from coil to coil, accomplished with low power, high voltage pulses occurs at a natural frequency of the circuit and that frequency that can be handled by the power transistors.
4. The high voltage, low power is a result of the "kick" whereof Steve Mark speaks. It was most clearly described by Nikola Tesla, when he observed a very high voltage spike at the VERY INSTANT a DC switch was closed. In fact he spoke of people being killed by this spike. Such a spike (though lower in magnitude) happens within a transistor at the very instant its gate is closed to allow power to course through it. I learned of this in vacuum tubes from my dad when he taught me how to build my first Heathkit shortwave radio in 1963. He said: "Whenever possible, leave the radio on - it doesn't consume much power, but the startup surges will quickly burn up your tubes."
5. When a coil is thus activated, initially it creates a very powerful magnetic spike. Imagine that this can even be more amplified if the transistor is turned on only to close the gate of a silicone controlled rectifier, in order to dump a small capacitor very suddenly through the coil.
6. It becomes easy to see that when one talks about the switching ability of transistors, 5kHz is perfectly reasonable, switching from one coil to the next.
7. Next we have the challenge of making the many pulses of magnetic power unidirectional. As we all know current running through a wire creates a circular magnetic field centered about that wire. This also anwers the old question you posed on one of your posts as to why a set of jumper cables jumps when chorted across the battery terminal. Well, first, the direction of current is opposite in the two leads, thereby quadrupling the magnetic force in the narrow space between the two wires. This powerful magnetic "linear" flux concentration between the cables then tries to orient itself to the ambient earths magnetic flux lines, and hence, jumps. Note, however, that there is more at play here. The VERY INSTANT you connect the cable to the battery, you also have that very high voltage spike whereof Tesla spoke. This spike has a large Radiant Energy component to the electricity. It contributes a great deal to the powerful magnetic pulse.
8. Back to unidirectional flux in the toroid. In order to create a mainly DC current in windings around part or all of the toroid, we must now ensure the flux moves in ONE direction. Well, the placement of a magnet at right angles to the flow around the toroid would tend to make the flux take a preferential direction. The flux of a controlling coil in a flux-gating device such as some of the Joe Flynn devices is quite weak, but exerts enormous diretional control on even very powerful flux. This is the concept exploited in the design of the newest patent of the Magnetic Power Module. (Interestingly, it appears to be a derivation of Steven Mark's efforts....) Thus, instead of using additional small coils to make the toroidal flux take one preferred direction as compared to the other can be acco0mplished by the use of a ferrite magnet, as seen in the videos (I, too have watched them numerous times.)
9. Now to the question of the little pieces of wire and the magnet. I don't remember anyone anwering this to your or Mr. Mark's satisfaction. Let me have a go. When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a current in that wire. However, what was not iterated is that the amount of current generated is not only a matter of the strength of the magnet, but rather the SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved across that wire. Thus when we speak of moving the magnet across a small piece of wire at the speed of a gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage spike in that little piece of wire. Conversely, if you could move that wire crossways through even a weak magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate a voltage spike. In essence Mark is doing this in his toroid. He states he is running at about 5kHz. For four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes, with the magnet forcing one direction, or he is running them sequentially. For the sequential version, that would mean the "magnetic flux North" (for lack of a better way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250 times per second. The RPM of the flux would therefore be AT LEAST 75,000RPM. Can you imagine the kind of power you might generate from Neo mgnets in an armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up to 75,000RPM? Only this toroid has no back EMF when a load is put on the wires.
10. Remember I was talking about SPEED of the magnet passing the wires playing a significant role in the voltage produced. If we take the above example of 75,000 RPM, it is easy to calculate for a 14" diameter totoid, that the actual speed of the magnet "flying"past the wires at a very close range would be 3,123.74 statute miles per hour or 4,581.5 ft/second. Compare this to the bullet of a high powered rifle at 2,800 ft/sec.
11. One need only to add all the little pieces of wire, which are now individual loops of wire around the toroid's ring itself to see why the toroid generates such enormous voltages and currents. Needless to say, toroidal coils, like any coil have a preferred resonant frequency. If the toroidal coil is tuned to the "kick" frequency or pulsed frequency, one can see that this thing would put out scary amounts of power.
12. I shall make a stab here and say that these toroids DO NOT heat up until a load is put on the output wires. It would intuitively make sense that this heating is not only due to current flow within the toroid off-take winding, but also due to the new magnetic field that would result within the toroid, due to the DC current now flowing around it. Strangely, using the left hand rule for magnetism, this toroid is an abberation. Because when one thinks of the current beginning the flow through a load, the magnetic flux this winding creates is ADDITIVE to the pulsing magnetic flux created by the coils.
13. When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there are some weird things to look at. Does a high-speed rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate flux lines into a Mark device? Maybe that is exactly what it does. This simply ADDS more density to the field. However, something else strikes me more simply. Mark has set up his terrific sequential pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares if there is a battery - that point is moot when you look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle. It creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires per second. That is key and it takes little power. Once power is established, one could take a tiny amount from the output and run the circuit, so again the battery is moot. The main thing is the device's strange reaction to physical movement. I attribute this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which the magnetic flux moves.
14. We see how even small flux density, when accelerated to very high speed, can STILL generate current in conductors, be they wires or even flat surfaces. Whe we talk about these effects, we understand that ANY magnetic device, be it a simple magnet compass or object, will try to orient itself to the earth's magnetic field. Try and experiment. See how a magnetized needle in a match turns slowly to north in a cup of water. Now take a strong neodymium magnet and tape a piece of thread to it and let it hang. Note how QUICKLY and how STRONGLY it orients itself to the earth's field. What Mark appears to have proven is that one can create the effect of higher strength of a magnet through speed of movement of the field. And the field appears to be strengthened drastically by the ADDITIVE pulses of the coils pumping the toroid up to saturation.
15. To me the reason that the toroid appears to "judder" as one attempts to move the toroid across the table is straightforward. As the field rotates, there is a point in the device where the rotating field (perhaps rotating is the wrong word) better, field in its racetrack, is oriented in direct opposition to the Earth's magnetic field. On the diametrically opposite side, the field is perfect attraction to teh earth's field. This means that pushing the device North and South would have the most pronounced juddering or washboard effect. However, going crossways to N_S may also have weird effects, the flux lines moving at right angles to one another. I would tend to say this might be even more pronounced when a big load is put on the output coil, if my above assumption is correct with the inner ADDITIVE flux under load.
16. It makes sense that if we are moving a relatively weak magnetic field at very high RPM or lap rate, then perhaps we are now also talking about a gravitic interaction. Since it appears that gravity and spinning superconducting magnets are related, and we are spinning this field at a VERY high rate, then the orientation on startup is most likely also directly interacting with "gravitons?" I won't go there, as I know too little about the field. Suffice it to say, that gravity is directional, be it into the earth or into space from the earth's center. Either way it is directional. Inverting the toroid MAY then be affected in operation or stopped when it is inverted. Has Steven Mark solved this? It sounds SOOOOO interesting. And naturally, with smaller toroids, he is also talking about higher angular acceleration of the field, due to the smaller diameter. Maybe this also has a bearing on the trait?
17. The imploding television story is very interesting. Could Mark's device be close to tapping into or creating such a powervul magnetic vortex? Has he seen any evidence of magnetic attraction of any objects in or near the toroids?
Anyway, Mr. Mannix - if you have read this far, then you understand that I have a genuine desire to understand Mr. Mark's technology. My wife and I will be retiring and living in Sri Lanka soon. That country is COMPLETELY dependent on importd fossil fuels. It is a lovely but very poor country. I have been grappling with several ways I may be able to help, and hence have been spending alot of time with the Bedini devices. I believe it may have given me a leg up on Steven Mark's devices. It would be an honor to hear from you, and have your thoughts (and perhaps even Mr. Mark's) thoughts on my information above.
If you have a way I can find out more about U.E.C., it would be most appreciated. I really feel it is worth keepign up with Mr. Mark's devices and somehow push for this clean power to become a marketed module. Heck, one could build them directly INTO appliances with or without inverters so the appliances would not even HAVE power cords.
Last time this was posted most people didn't really react to it, however it did spawn renewed interest in the project, and had a tendency to get people going again.
If you are the poster of this post, please send me an email. I have a feeling I know who you are, due to the content, and some of the history about yourself that you have posted in here, and some of the projects, and people you have worked with/on. Out of respect, I'll keep this speculation to myself, but I'd like to know if you are still working on this, and what kind of results you are getting.
This post, is both good in the respect that it is an indicator that Mannix, and SM haven't totally given up on us :), and it's a bit of a head scratcher as it indicates that we will need to make a few changes to some of the ideas we've been working with.
NOW, I'm not posting this with the intention that we completely abandon the paths we've been going down, or start modifying them right away, as I'm sure we have gotten alot right. Neither do I want to completely favor the ideas outlined, as he only has it "mostly" right. Not completely right.
Just that we keep these ideas in our minds as we experiment.
Regards,
Rich
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otto,
did yiu get zapped or what? don't tell me the M.I.B? :o
i am reallly looking forward to your next posts. it seemed like you were on to something and then just disapeared.
throw us a bone when you get a chance.
lol sam
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@ctglabs
My avatar shown can be programmed/connected in various ways.The basic unconnected pairs are 4 pairs, 0, 90, 180, 270.
As you can see each side of the board has four connectors. They are ends of two coils in parallel of equal turns.
The outside set is one pair and and the inside set another. I can group any combination as adjacent or opposing windings. Any combination of 90 or 180 pairs around the iron core. With this I can also wrap a collector for feed back. This device can also be made into a Tesla by adding other coil numbers.
The driver circuit I have designed is capable of driving 8 coils in any combination in either direction. It is attached. I don't have this circuit boarded yet. That is my next step. I am sure the analog end will have changes. The resistor value could be off for the transistors and coils. R5 on the coils 15v could be variable. My coil driver end is from a previous post either by JDo300 or CTGlabs. Thanks. I only show dr1-1 for L1. All others will be the same.
goglge: Circuit maker 6.2 student version in which my driver circuit file can be simulated and throw some switches.
Just download it and rename it to t-cm.exe. The txt extension gets past the allowable types checker. I run it. It is safe. Besides it is a good program to know to pass around working circuits. I also added just the schem and waveforms. Both counters are counting upand at the same speeds.
I hope this is a good way to pass aound designs.
Thanks.
My trip to the Very Large Array was great. We got 3 really good panarama pix for my web site and backgrounds for the thesky.exe. I attended a seminar that pertained to galaxies and star systems spinning and produciing huge gravity fields. This fit in well with my designs in overunity.
Young star systems spin fast and spew plasma from both sides at its center. Looks just like large Tesla coils firing.
I monitored the activity here while on my trip and:
Gentlemen: I impressed with the volume of very pertinent entries in 5 days. Phenominal! 50 pages of circuits, designs, coils, graphs, measurements. I am proud to be part of this.
The ride is getting faster.... :)
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Regarding the 2 pole device that has been speculated to be SM's device as well.
Could it be that we are seeing that there are 2 iron cores wound with (77 and 78) winding respectively and that the circle often seen at the bottom is the collector coil the third coil ???
Are we seeing another incantation of the same device .. and is this just another clue to the real workings ...?
Thoughts gentlemen and ladies.
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Hi Marco and all others,
You draw it in paint or something and post it. I will commit...
I would really like to pump up the current in the coils but the insulation might not handle it.
I gotta get the circut boarded. I drew that in Circutmaker 6.2 student version on a laptop as a passenger flying at 85mph south on I25 to the Very Large Array in New Mexico. That night I got online and lo and behold JDo300 has his version of the 90 degree phase shift driver. I felt the need to be totally programmable in direction, control, speed. The last step is power adjustable.
Thanks for the input. I wait to obey. ;)
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I have decided to bring some ideas together from this rather long thread, and ignore every preconceived notion I personally have about this technology. Instead of giving in to the technical aspect of building the TPU and wild theorizing on my part, I'm simply going to post here what I've read from Mannix in many posts prior:
<paraphrasing, to show I have READ the material...>
From Steven:
- We can have multiple flows of electricity through the same wire, COMPLETELY separate from each other.
- multiple high frequencies traveling around the coils feed themselves, making multiple kicks become one.
- Steven tested applying a heating voltage to the cathode of the tube (from electron circuits using vacuum rectifiers) at 5V AC 60Hz.
- There was an interaction between the two AC transformers in this setup.
- The useable output current was DC, however there were both DC and AC components present on the output
- Longer wire = more potential.
- If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and if you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you want in a given space.
- Magnetic fields are NOT one dimensional.
- There are no piezo stacks in this device.
- In one way, the TPU acts like a radio. The closer you get to the right frequency, the clearer the signal. If the signal is TOO strong, the receiver will overload though, and then... boom boom.
- For more clarification, you cannot tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion or the power received will destroy the unit.
- The control units are needed to constantly monitor the frequencies of operation and to make changes when needed to kep off exact conversion.
- You create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
- The source for the signal becomes the feed, so no amplification of power is needed.
- Many wires are perpindicular to the main collector. This is NECESSARY.
- The power inverter is always placed well outside the coils.
- The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils.
From Mannix:
- Useable output current is DC, pulsed at 5khz?
- Phase difference between 5V AC HEATING transformer and the main transformer?
- There are several short turn coils.
- The large coils have control units as seen in the videos, and the small coils have the control unit mounted on the inside edge of the coil.
- No iron core!!
- Not looking at background EMF.
- We have kicks.
- We have lots of kicks.
- Lots of kicks turn into one big kick.
- A collector that is excited by lots of big kicks...
- The magnetic radio tunes into something else and starts collecting.
- There is a reaction with the Earth's magnetic field. Period.
- When current is first caused to flow in a wire, it reacts with the magnetic field of the Earth.
- Need to make a transformer that accelerates itself with its own wiring, starting the process with the right frequencies and having a config that lends itself to creating a spin field of a high frequency.
- A rotational interial field is created around some wires in which electrons are caused to flow.
<end of paraphrasing>
Interesting note: 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 14 inch plastic wheel, waving a magnet over the coil produces RF output...
Page 49, first post on the page is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY interesting... if you look at this subject the way a beginning physics student would... I personally don't think we should just gloss over that post. Thank you Mannix!
It might be helpful to post numbers given by Steven from the videos too... (frequencies)
Please tell me if I have mistyped anything here. I am just interested in having a clean, fresh start before jumping into this. No theorizing. I just want to be on the same page.
Thanks.
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Hello all,
I?m every day with you oonly reading. At home I?m in my TPU work. In this moment I?m working with 2 frequencies. Inside my TPU is a VERY strong magnetic field and I can feel that the air in the toroid is much warmer then outside. One frequency is around 5000 Hz and the other 6-8 Hz. When I hold a little magnet into the toroid I can feel the pulsating 6-8 Hz. Please don?t ask me to post the shematic because when ( not if) I will have success be sure you will be informed.
Regards
Otto
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Hey,
Has anybody tried using segments of wire all in parallel as the collector coil. I remember a post saying it would allow more current to be taken.
Mike
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People say they want totally independent control of distribution of the coil rotation. It's simple take 2 12 volt motors mount them in a box (Plastic probably) run them independently with 2 cheap train transformers. Put a plastic plate with 2 holes to fit past the armitures. Place 2 large plastic washers over the armitures that have a large enough diameter to hold 4 contacts bent to make contact with the distributor disks. Make 2 metal disks drill in the center to fit the armature with nylon bushings availible in your area. Paint epoxy on motor side, might have made a lock screw on this side,leave a 90 degree V point end towards the center hole. Make brushes from brass shim stock, it's springy. Cut the back so it is a male spade. Input power goes to the unpainted side. The brush you make for it can be mounted anywhere, make it too long you will need fairly thick stock. Anytime after the plastic washer is set in place you can drill a small hole just outside the edge, screw in a flat head screw for a set screw. Then you can loosen it and set the timing. Wire 1 motor clockwise the other counter-clockwise. If you want to input several signals at once make a spade harness, crimp several wires onto a female spade and put males on the other ends. Turn the whole assembly upside down and cut some thin strips of plastic and an old soldering iron and plastic weld the box in place. That way you wont be forever rebending your contacts.
I just found 2 old sewing machine motors but am still looking for lower draw dc, I'll get them by the weekend.
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Hi All,
I have been reading all, and have been thinking about this alot, and this is what I will start off with after I finish up torbays magnet motor/gen
which is in the magnets section in this forum.
The picture I pasted, I believe holds some of or all of the key, and is what i will be starting off with, it was one of the pics on this forum under the stevens files:- http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/ I know someone mentioned this already, but it hit me on how he has made these devices
From the videos look at the solid versions, looks very similar to the naked one Ive attached, look where the output wires are, I believe he is feeding two different frequencies into two seperate sections of coil but on one of the rings, these coils are as shown in the pic, and the magnet on the back has something to do with it as well. I'm new to transformers as such, but i've been trying to learn by reading and understanding, it's like i can't stop thinking about it, as i play it in my mind over and over
Just thought I'd give everyone some direction of what they should try first.
cheers,
Mrd
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Has anyone rotated the fields fast yet. Did you get a light head throb at a very slow speed? would litz wire be better for the inside coil?
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So far I'm just puting in 5 volt dc and trying to see if I get noise generation. Steven said to experiment to learn what the interaction of the coils do. I'm not as far advanced as most in here, I'm just looking and trying to learn. I haven't even read all the posts yet so I'm keeping this low voltage for the moment. I could add a signal from a noise generator, that might be interesting, or maybe hook up sterrio output to it to find out what's better rock or country. Actually I would like to see how the fields interact first.
Coiling does suck doesn't it and had super glue screw up my insulation and there by not stick. Ended up using duco cement and a quick tie gun to hold things in place over night, I could use some good ideas on wrapping also.
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Marco,
Please watch the video, are you sure it is the right video?!
Hmm, perhaps this is what is meant by the large wires for the collectors?
Can you post the right video for us?
Dave.
hi dave ,
it is the right video.
the amusement park ride is lika big capacitor
they take it up verry slowly....then when its up the release all energy abruptly, then stop the ride abrubtly as its down...it kicks back up and so on.
so for those people are the elektrons/wires and one has more mass so it makes visible diffrence.
its kinda symbolic :)
ROFL!!! :D
Thats one of the best anecdotal examples ever... Truely though I believe you're correct in your observations, while each coil is in a state of discharge it produces an extra kick from a harmonic resonance that extra energy is fed to another coil to help energize that coil to the point where it can then discharge and achieve the same effects. So it would be like many roller costers powering each other, but it still made perfect sense to me. LOL!
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Thanks for the warning Dave I'm once bitten by 660 and twice shy. I think my large coil sucks and I shoud make another one.
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I hope Steven is still talking to us. I know the group is hell bent towards reverse engineering because of the way the controling companies hide advances. But the group is in a mode that is not called for in this case. Steven Mark is not the establishment, he is a man seening the work that would help the world being shelved. He has offered his tutoring in the right direction as much as the law will allow. Please people he has spent 15 years developing and I am sure he will share the knowledge gained, Steven and the company he worked for hold patents. They did not borrow from other patents. They found a way to collect ambient magnetic force, this causes gain, gain=overunity or you can better say he is collecting energy that is not on a meter. In an early post (not an exact quote) Steve said the circuit will draw in magnetic flux like an antenna draws in a signal. Put aside you're aggression you got from trying to learn how other circuits work from sources that hid information. I looked at the propaganda this man has endured and he deserves our attention, calm down and become students.
Alright, lets say you manage to reverse engineer this circuit and you don't understand why it works. Lets also say you build a flying machine, this machine works fine but when you try to past the ionosphere it no longer works. Suddenly you are in the suns magnetic field and storms and what do you know...squat. Learn about this circuit from the inventer, he's probably putting himself in harms way making himself available to you.
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I hope Steven is still talking to us. I know the group is hell bent towards reverse engineering because of the way the controling companies hide advances. But the group is in a mode that is not called for in this case. Steven Mark is not the establishment, he is a man seening the work that would help the world being shelved. He has offered his tutoring in the right direction as much as the law will allow. Please people he has spent 15 years developing and I am sure he will share the knowledge gained, Steven and the company he worked for hold patents. They did not borrow from other patents. They found a way to collect ambient magnetic force, this causes gain, gain=overunity or you can better say he is collecting energy that is not on a meter. In an early post (not an exact quote) Steve said the circuit will draw in magnetic flux like an antenna draws in a signal. Put aside you're aggression you got from trying to learn how other circuits work from sources that hid information. I looked at the propaganda this man has endured and he deserves our attention, calm down and become students.
Alright, lets say you manage to reverse engineer this circuit and you don't understand why it works. Lets also say you build a flying machine, this machine works fine but when you try to past the ionosphere it no longer works. Suddenly you are in the suns magnetic field and storms and what do you know...squat. Learn about this circuit from the inventer, he's probably putting himself in harms way making himself available to you.
Nice sentiments, but who..... uhhh.... are you talking to... exactly?
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500 bucks .. would be a pretty expensive toy to pull apart to see how it works :D
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does it spin in the correct direction in the southern hemisphere :|
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it took engineers 6 years to attach a compass needle to a a piss week motor and power it with a solar panel
pure genius.. and what were they doing in their spare time .. smoking bongs
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back them off 18 degrees and you'll have the thing hitting on 5 cilinders instead of four it has got to help! 72 degrees X 5= 360 degrees. you have to start at least thinking about the golden numbers.
lol
sam
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The globe encloses a photoreceptor that gathers room light to power an internal drive
The machine uses photocell photon energy convertion to power a small asymetricly weighted dc motor. The unidirectional 'wobble' allows the smooth globe to rotate within the smooth base due to a lack of friction and the added energy from the ambient light. The globe would turn which ever direction the motor is spinning, meaning if the globe spun clockwise right side up, it would then spin counter clockwise if the globe was flipped upside down. This device in no way havests any power from the ionisphere or earth magnetic field...
Just trying to help...
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On my circuit, thanks CTGlabs, I have direction and speed seperate from the other drive channel. Each one is made up of 2 controllers with 4 lines for 4 coils. Each controller has direction and speed. On board? So if I speed one controller at 10 hz and the other at 50 hz ccw, the lissajous is 1:5. Magnetically the pattern is a crossover interference pattern of 5. Change the speed of either and you change performance.
Try this: http://www.ngsir.netfirms.com/englishhtm/Lissajous.htm (http://www.ngsir.netfirms.com/englishhtm/Lissajous.htm) or
http://www.mathcats.com/explore/lissajous/lissajous.html (http://www.mathcats.com/explore/lissajous/lissajous.html). On this on, press 'F' or 'S' and you see will the Mag field for the HAMEL disk! Anyone that read his publish will know that he experienced the frequency changes as his device reached unity, overunity and extreme power push against the base magneitc field of earth. No different than high power transmisions. But the big difference in doing it magentically I can control then interference harmonic. The HAMEL disk, when ramping up to runaway mode, went through distinct changes from screaming to glowing to huge power field generation and then it shot up into the sky. He never saw it again. Gee that sounds like Area 51 material.
Today, I go and get parts for the PHYZX engr. Magnetic field Lissajous controller. That is the name and consider it published. Feel free to devise.
Thank guys. You know I'll keep publishing what I do. And the steps taken so far in the last two weeks are very important. Each one could be considered a new direction for different results/products. The screaming ferrite bead? Sounds like Hamel disk again. I think repulsion is at hand.
Avacado!
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dave,
i think when it all comes together, you will find that if you use a 1 as a value of 90, then the next place should be a 90 as well, looking at the golden number series. this will mean that the next place will 180 not 120. then you hit the 270. maybe the fact of going down across the "equator and back gives you the other two 30's". to rectify your 120 to 180. i don't think you'll find anything at 120 by itself. but if you look at the three coils as north, south and equator you might find something of interest.
please note i am thinking purly theoretically from an amateur position, with no other training in this field other than what i have imagined from reading this shi on the internet. so please take all with a grain of salt. however i have been spending alot of time looking at it with a few bad experiments with magnet setups under my belt.
i seem to be really absorbed with it of late.
good luck and lol
sam
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Dear all,
For those without an oscilloscope, you can download this full software which contains a dual channel scope which can run on your PC, it can also work in XY mode (Lissajious figures) and it also has a signal generator.
Note: your mic socket must be a stereo one for dual scope channels, otherwise will work as single channel.
http://www.zeitnitz.de/Christian/Scope/Scope_en.html
Regards,
Dave.
Is this safe to use with power applications? Won't it fry my PC's soundcard/motherboard?
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dave,
i don't know. :-\
i am only making the observation that i 90=1, 180=2, 270=3,450=4,720=5, then you again hit the 360 mark and start a resonance.
lol
sam
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dave,
there is that stupid 5 again where is the six? if we could find it i think then all we have to do is PLUG IT IN!
sam
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thanks,
that should keep me up all night. :D\
lol
sam
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The Perpetual Motion Rotating Globe
This is the worlds most advanced globe, capable of continuously rotating on its own without any need for human contact, cords, or batteries, and most faithfully recreating the earths rotation in space right at your desktop.
Hi.
here on Ebay you can get it already for 400 US$:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230032958613 (http://partners.webmasterplan.com/click.asp?ref=284148&site=1382&subid=&type=text&tnb=32&diurl=http%3A%2F%2Fadfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F707-3922-3266-17%3Fmpro%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252FeBayISAPI.dll%253FViewItem%2526item%253D230032958613)
I wonder how the light comes through into the globe...?
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marco,
if you are going to try overlapping the coils, why not at least try the 36 and 72 points in conjunction with the 0 and 360 points?
sam
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The Perpetual Motion Rotating Globe
This is the worlds most advanced globe, capable of continuously rotating on its own without any need for human contact, cords, or batteries, and most faithfully recreating the earths rotation in space right at your desktop.
Hi.
here on Ebay you can get it already for 400 US$:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230032958613 (http://partners.webmasterplan.com/click.asp?ref=284148&site=1382&subid=&type=text&tnb=32&diurl=http%3A%2F%2Fadfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F707-3922-3266-17%3Fmpro%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fcgi.ebay.com%252Fws%252FeBayISAPI.dll%253FViewItem%2526item%253D230032958613)
I wonder how the light comes through into the globe...?
The globe appears to be a clear plastic sphere with the globe printed on to it, leaving the globe translucent. Imagine being inside a big blue sphere with no lights on inside and many lights from all angles on the outside, everything inside the sphere would be lit blue even is it was opaque. Now imagine 20 motion sensors (photocells) putting off small ammounts of power everytime they're exposed to light powering a motor. Not a major discovery or overunity, just a new and novel use of old technology. I also wrote a brief explanation of the globe devices operation on page 219. Hope I'm not being overzealous in my belief of understanding its operation, but its just the most realistic explanation based on the information given.
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Dear all,
For those without an oscilloscope, you can download this full software which contains a dual channel scope which can run on your PC, it can also work in XY mode (Lissajious figures) and it also has a signal generator.
Note: your mic socket must be a stereo one for dual scope channels, otherwise will work as single channel.
Regards,
Dave.
Is this safe to use with power applications? Won't it fry my PC's soundcard/motherboard?
hi gnostic,
i use this setup also but you must be careful not to put too much power into your soundcard its verry sensitive.
Hey folks, I'm still here. For what it?s worth, my 2 cents. I have used some similar software on my laptop as a scope. My findings were that A: The frequencies you can measure are limited. B: There is a voltage present that may through off your readings when testing with the mike input. C: The sample rates really depend on how fast your computer is. Now I haven?t tried software worth lots of $$$ but a Velleman 2MHz handheld scope is only a couple hundred dollars and gives great readings. Mind you the soundcard scope was a great learning tool. Keep up the great work.
C0mster
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dave,
what is next? are you suposed to slam my ideas, again or just hope they go away.
are you the guy from the government?
i just don't understand your reasoning. can you explain? 8)
lol
sam
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dave,
what is next? are you suposed to slam my ideas, again or just hope they go away.
are you the guy from the government?
i just don't understand your reasoning. can you explain? 8)
lol
sam
Sam, first off, we have no idea what you are talking about. You throw out numbers and magic equations, as if they are supposed to make sense to us, and THEY DON'T. Frankly it seems all a bit silly the stuff you are posting. If you can give us the slightest idea what the stuff you are posting is supposed to mean, maybe it'll make sense. For now you are rather like a bum walking around talking gibberish to himself, all the sense we can make of it. Your ideas are not suggestions, they are just a bunch of meaningless numbers because you have yet to elucidate on what the HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT~!
Perhaps they are great ideas, but how would we know! You obviously don't care to explain them to us. So, instead of taking the polite path, I'll go out on a limb here, and say what I really think.
Explain what you are talking about in a rational manner or shut the hell up and quit derailing this thread!
The buck stops here, put up, or shut up.
For Cthulu's sake!
Rich.
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dave,
what is next? are you suposed to slam my ideas, again or just hope they go away.
are you the guy from the government?
i just don't understand your reasoning. can you explain? 8)
lol
sam
Sam, first off, we have no idea what you are talking about. You throw out numbers and magic equations, as if they are supposed to make sense to us, and THEY DON'T. Frankly it seems all a bit silly the stuff you are posting. If you can give us the slightest idea what the stuff you are posting is supposed to mean, maybe it'll make sense. For now you are rather like a bum walking around talking gibberish to himself, all the sense we can make of it. Your ideas are not suggestions, they are just a bunch of meaningless numbers because you have yet to elucidate on what the HELL YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT~!
Perhaps they are great ideas, but how would we know! You obviously don't care to explain them to us. So, instead of taking the polite path, I'll go out on a limb here, and say what I really think.
Explain what you are talking about in a rational manner or shut the hell up and quit derailing this thread!
The buck stops here, put up, or shut up.
For Cthulu's sake!
Rich.
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everyone,
sorry to be such a pain, in the first place.
i just can't help but (THINK ) that the golden numbers have got to come into play at some point. that is just a thought. it is not backed up by any experimentation. so i can see where it might be anoying.
my thought is that you people that are experimenting are way ahead of people like me!
i just want to see this project brought forward as quickly as possible. i have stated once or twice in some non-sencicle fashion that i "think" the project has got to be brought into a spherical train of thought.
i believe that is the shape of a magnetic force, whether it is generated on a cicular toroid coil or not. i don't think that steven overlooked this fact.
the numbers 0,90,180,270, begin a fibonacci series,if you give 90 the value of one. just an observation. if it helps great, if it is just babling great. i don't think it hurt anyones experiments.
on the other hand i can't help but go back to thinking of the magnetic field as a sphere just like every other organization of matter in the universe, except for us and other organic organizims, that are made up of them.
sorry, if i have distracted you. i am very distracted by your work. i just can't sit back and wait. HURRY. I CAN"T WAIT!
shutting up for now,
sam
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dave,
shuttin up shuttinup!
lol keep up the good work
sam
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everyone,
sorry to be such a pain, in the first place.
i just can't help but (THINK ) that the golden numbers have got to come into play at some point. that is just a thought. it is not backed up by any experimentation. so i can see where it might be anoying.
my thought is that you people that are experimenting are way ahead of people like me!
i just want to see this project brought forward as quickly as possible. i have stated once or twice in some non-sencicle fashion that i "think" the project has got to be brought into a spherical train of thought.
i believe that is the shape of a magnetic force, whether it is generated on a cicular toroid coil or not. i don't think that steven overlooked this fact.
the numbers 0,90,180,270, begin a fibonacci series,if you give 90 the value of one. just an observation. if it helps great, if it is just babling great. i don't think it hurt anyones experiments.
on the other hand i can't help but go back to thinking of the magnetic field as a sphere just like every other organization of matter in the universe, except for us and other organic organizims, that are made up of them.
sorry, if i have distracted you. i am very distracted by your work. i just can't sit back and wait. HURRY. I CAN"T WAIT!
shutting up for now,
sam
I'm pleased that people who don't fully grasp the electronics, mechanics and forces involved are excited about this field of research. I don't believe gn0stic wasn't telling you that 'shuting up' was the best outcome, rather you should be studying how these numbers can be related to the research that is occuring or develope a concept that relates to those numbers. Which is really implying just because those numbers are important in the fibonacci sequence does not make those same numbers important in all things... With research you can learn why those numbers are important in the fibonacci sequence and then determine if those same reasons apply to this technology. I'll save you the time though (this time), it doesn't apply because you cant posibly wind a proper coil to follow such geometry. The wires thickness would have to increase with distance from the start point, and there would have to be space between the wires coils.
(loose coils = bad inductance and field propagation, making a coil with a cone shaped wire = expensive and pointless)
Now you don't need to shut up but please research before you speak...
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@supersam
My design on page 219 will get the numbers you are seeing from your frame of reference. Go to the links on the page and play with the lissajous numbers. This might give you a visual for some of the things you are thinking about.
And by the way... Good thinking, keep it up. Reality was born from dreams.
@CTGlabs
Could you please tell what page was Tao's drawing on.
To all,
When you look at the square waves and the kick, it only appears from square waves. That is because the falling edge is very high frequency. Above 40k the magnetic waves emminate and don't return. Power sends them farther and faster. The kick is the tranmission of energy and the snap when the lines of flux leave the source. One could tune an am radio to the frequency of the square wave and hear noise. Obviously. Hope I am not preaching to the choir.
Comes a time in one's life when they make the courageous decision where they approach the edge with fear and trepidation, led to crossover the precipace by cause into a new vista of adventures only to find later that the step they took caused them not to fall but have reality rise up to meet them at their new height!
If you stay within your boundaries, you will never see what is possible.
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Hi all,
It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here.
It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils.
I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever.
Some of the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics
This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down.
It would be great if more those who seem to have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations.
Perhaps Luck will come into it
I remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
Cheers to All.
Lindsay Mannix
Hello Mannix good to see you here again! :D
I was wondering if Mr Marks explained or could explain the effects he observed in the vacuum tubes and ways of replicating those effects to help us understand the nature of these 'kicks'. I figure it would be a good starting point for myself and perhaps others. Any information he or you could share about this would be greatly appreciated as it will not relate directly to the now patented device, but will allow us experimenting students observe a single cycle of the 'kick' phenomenon.
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Ok, guys, can we get back some work now!
I have wound "one layer" of the SM devices as per Taos drawing. This is 10 turns of 2mm wire, 18 cm in diameter. This then has 4 bifilar coils wound on it. Later I can wind another two of these, stack them and then wind a final coil around all of them. But for now I wish to test the 90 degree coil interact and rotating field properties and look for a "kick", also as per our anonymous poster, I can use 4 transistors and use the bifilar coils to have collector and control windings which self oscillate and the collector of one will trigger the next. This way the thing finds its own resonance and will build up by itself as SM says, like a turbine.
So if I were to stack three of these the transistors can be hidden inbetween the windings (SM small device has no external parts, its all hidden in the torroid).
Regards,
Dave.
Dave, very nice, so, I see you've applied all the aspects of what we've talked about thus far. I'm anxious to see some scope shots with the windings the way they are. I want to ask a million questions already but your data posts usually answer all the ones I feel like asking. So you have the "trigger" winding, as the anonymous poster called it leading to the "power" on the next winding? The shot is too close to see how those windings are connected to one another, but from your description that seems to be the case..
Sam,
I never told you to shut up. From my point of view, I have to work from the bottom up, start simple, test, make observation, add to working theory, then add to design and start the loop again.
I cannot jump around adding crazy and random things, I must work in a logical direction based on test results and observation.
Perhaps later (if you explain your secret numbers) there maybe a relevance later. But SM discovered the Kicks in a "vacuum tube", not with coils and secret numbers. He later used this effect from the vacuum tube and applied it to a coil structure.
I too cannot stop thinking about these things, I spend most of my spare time reading and learning and experimenting, I have done since I was a kid, I then went on to college to study electronics, since I left college, 12 years ago, I have been studying further and experimenting for years looking for free energy. In this time I have only seen two devices which break the accepted laws of physics, but they are not OU, for that I am still looking. It can sound exciting, but in reality it takes dedication alot of time and alot of disappointment.
Regards,
Dave.
May I ask which devices you saw that defied the accepted laws? And which laws they seemed to break? (not being fecetious, just curious)
Hi all,
It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here.
It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils.
I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever.
Some of the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics
This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down.
It would be great if more those who seem to have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations.
Perhaps Luck will come into it
I remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"
Cheers to All.
Lindsay Mannix
WB Lindsay, Good to see you again. It would be great if I could participate more. I need proper testing equipment, and it's just not in the budget right now. Perhaps I can swing it soon when some money comes in. I would use the pc scope, but the power it will accept is limited, and the frequency range it works with would be likewise limited. I might use it for a crude signal gen though for some applications, just not this one. My current electronics tool kit includes some soldering irons, some multimeters, and a crapload of spare parts and wire. Believe me its painful to not be able to test this stuff quantitatively. I have wound several coils and sat there and looked at them, frustrated, that that's as far as I could take it.
@Sam, sorry I got a little hot around the collar earlier. It's just that we asked you to form something that fits into what we already have, or give us some reason to think it would help us and you didn't. We just couldn't use the information, and you weren't taking the hints. You seemed positive it was applicable, yet provided us with nothing that fit in with anything we were talking about.
It felt like we were having a discussion about politics and someone kept piping in with JESUS SAVES!!!
To which the only response is, "perhaps, but what's that got to do with what we're talking about?" We honestly tried to say it nicely. And then you got cocky.
Again, I apologize for being so harsh, but I saw no other way.
Now:
BACK TO IT>>
GREAT work Dave! Keep it up!
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Hello All,
I don't mean to "butt" in here, however; in reference to the Golden Ratio,
I am almost certain,
but can't fully explain how,
it is part of the "solution"
I will go back to lurking now and I thank you all for all the awesome visuals and ideas here.
If I discover or am informed of the significance I shall share it with you all for I believe it is a hint that Steorn gave everyone.
Regards,
Eman8 8)
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Hi everyone,
I've been folowwing this thread silently but like to share something....
I would like to hear your thoughts about this:
Could it be that Stevens device uses scalar waves (creted out of colliding magnetic pulses) and that they are somehow converted to electricity, according to the statement below, especially the bit about placing a strong magnet near antenna strikes some similarity....
Scalar field detection by normal RF antennas
Even though a scalar wave train does not contain the regular EM components that are used by radio frequency communications, it can still be detected by a normal RF antenna, if that antenna is in the presence of some other static magnetic field. When the scalar wave train passes through, it will create a disturbance in the field surrounding that magnet and make the field lines move, which will impart a small electrical current in the standard RF antenna, as if the magnet itself were moved.
Since all normal RF antennas are immersed in the magnetic field of the planet, they can serve as crude scalar detectors, though the reception will be extremely weak and washed out by any normal RF in the vicinity. Detection ability is greatly increased by enclosing the antenna and circuitry in a faraday cage, and by placing a very strong magnet near the antenna inside the cage.
Any chance this might get us any further?
regards Dutchy
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Hello all,
do you know why SM has to place two magnets on top of his TPU to start it?
He has 2 reed relays (that one with only 1 contact) at the output of 2 oscillators in his TPU. With the one reed relay he activates one frequency and with the other reed relay the other frequency. Now I?m sure his TPU works with only 2 different frequencies and that means that the oscillator is always ON. I belief he uses a resonator or quarz circuit to get a low signal and this signal is amplified.
Regards
Otto
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Hi all
ctglabs
I know why the TPU stopps!
When you turn it in the wrong direction (180?) all control coils are acting in wrong direction. In an earlier post I mentioned that you must find out how to conect the oscillator on to say so 1 coil because if you connect wrong, you will have NO output. Or, to say in other way, the magnetic field must always go from the lower coil up to the top and then out in the air. A little difficult for me to explain
Regards
Otto
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Hello to all!
Like many others, I have been following this thread silently for a while and have now decided to step in and contribute to this great challenge of replicating SM's TPU. I have lots of ideas to contribute on the project and will release them one by one as time goes by. But I want to start by thanking Lyndsay Mannix for starting this thread and of course Steven Marks for revealing EVERYTHING we need to know in order to build this device. I also want to thank all of you who have contributed to this thead so far. When I got past page 40 of this thread, I tought that everything important had been said, but kept on reading anyhow. And I was glad to see that somewhere around page 170, things began to pick up and experimentation started to replace theory. The way this is going, I can confidently predict that before the end of the year, thanks to this collective effort, SM TPU WILL HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFULLY REPRODUCED!
Before going any further, I would however like so clarify one point which, although not directly linked with the technical aspect, is of prime importance:
It felt like we were having a discussion about politics and someone kept piping in with JESUS SAVES!!!
To which the only response is, "perhaps, but what's that got to do with what we're talking about?"
What has is got do do? Very simple! Theocracy is the ultimate form of government. Man cannot govern himself because corruption keeps creeping in from everywhere. Our presence here is a clear evidence of this since we wouldn't have to seek for the truth if it wasn't for the fact that some people don't want free energy device to become a reality on this planet since it would threaten their own balance of power.
Now, let's go back to the technical aspect ... I don't have much time this morning, but would however like to comment on this post from Otto:
do you know why SM has to place two magnets on top of his TPU to start it?
He has 2 reed relays (that one with only 1 contact) at the output of 2 oscillators in his TPU. With the one reed relay he activates one frequency and with the other reed relay the other frequency. Now I?m sure his TPU works with only 2 different frequencies and that means that the oscillator is always ON. I belief he uses a resonator or quarz circuit to get a low signal and this signal is amplified.
I personnally dont believe that reed switches are involved here. First, it would complicate the design of the device since it would be far easier to insert a toggle switch than a reed switch and a magnet receptacle. I think that the answer is more in tune with an earlier post (#1050) made by Dave in which he confirms that a magnet placed near a bifilar coil in a transistor circuit changes the frequency of the oscillations. Steven's device is probably set up so that placing the magnet near a winding bring the resonant frequency to the desired value. Could be also that the magnet creates a circulator for the flow of the magnetic flux like someone else suggested earlier.
On the other hand, Otto is most certainly right when he says that the TPU works with only 2 different frequencies. This is made clear just by looking at the control unit of the larger TPU. But there is certainly no crystal involved here. Just a simple resonant circuit. Just remember that SM said that his unit was in a sense very similar to a radio receiver and that the signal didn't need to be amplified. Only a tuned resonant circuit can be involved here. Or two to be more precise.
I have lots of stuff to say about the kicks and the rotating magnetic field, but my time is up for now. Talk to you all later...
Regards,
Jacob.
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So, this takes us back to the vacuum tube. Two signals of the same frequency but out of phase? We must focus on this vacuum tube kick. Once we find this kick, surely the path forward will be alot clearer?
I fully agree... If someone can explain how we can observe and measure this primary kick phenomenon, I will also be joining in on this experiment. I must stress though that it would be most beneficial if Mannix or Marks could explain this step, as it doesn't relate to the UEC's patent and may help one of us find the kick frequencies solution, but if everyone just buys a couple vacuum tubes and starts playing with frequencies our chances of accidentally discovering this 'kick' phenomenon are poor at best. I do hope they can give us this very tiny demonstration of the kick...
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I did try some experimenting with a vacuum tube the other week and I burnt it out, quite expensive to experiment with!
Not sure if relevant but this measuring coil has a coil rapped in a torroid and the end then travels round inside itself. So we have the collector and control coil setup, but in series. Perhaps then they are able to interact at 90 degrees in someway. This coil is supposed to be very sensistive, so perhaps this plays a role?
So called Rogowski coil I think, use in Tokamak reactor.
Regards,
Dave.
Hmmmm interesting...
http://www.tesla-coil.com/Rogowski.htm (http://www.tesla-coil.com/Rogowski.htm)
look at bottom graph data...
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Hallo zusammen,
ich habe hier einen interessanten Beitrag zu einem Nachbau von Hans Coler?s Magnetstromapparat gefunden:
http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302
(http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302)
Der Autor Nebirosh beschreibt hier einige Messungen die er an seinem nicht gegl?ckten Nachbau gemacht hat.
Interessant ist auch Seite 2, wo er von unerkl?rlichen Nadelspitzen zu den Kondensatoren spricht.
Sind dass vielleicht die Kicks wonach wir hier suchen?
Sorry, leider alles in Deutsch...
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Here is what babblefish translates it to:
Hello together, I found an interesting contribution here to a reproduction of Hans Coler's magnet current apparatus: http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302 The author Nebirosh describes here some measurements which it at his not successful reproduction made. Interesting also page is 2, where it speaks from unexplainable needle tips to the condensers. Perhaps that are the Kicks according to which we search here? Sorry, unfortunately everything into German...
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Hallo zusammen,
ich habe hier einen interessanten Beitrag zu einem Nachbau von Hans Coler?s Magnetstromapparat gefunden:
http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302
(http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302)
Der Autor Nebirosh beschreibt hier einige Messungen die er an seinem nicht gegl?ckten Nachbau gemacht hat.
Interessant ist auch Seite 2, wo er von unerkl?rlichen Nadelspitzen zu den Kondensatoren spricht.
Sind dass vielleicht die Kicks wonach wir hier suchen?
Hello everyone,
I've found an interesting part from a replication attempt of the Hans Coler Magnetcurrentmachine:
http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302
(http://www.klarblicker.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=843&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=492a90ffd7ffa897048a83c6a91bf302)
The author Nebirosh describes some measurements that he made on his failed replication.
Interesting is page 2, where he describes unknown spikes at the condensators.
Are these maybe the Kicks that we are looking for?
Regards Dutchy
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I can see something in the above which reminds me of something in nature. They recently confirmed on satellite these mystery super waves in the ocean, there are about 30 per month somewhere across the ocean. These waves are very high and very powerful and were thought to be seadog's rumours! But now they have been confirmed and they are created by seperate small waves mixing from different directions in the sea. When the right "wavelengths" mix, these waves join to create a very large wave which IS GREATER THAN THE SUM OF THE SMALLER WAVES. The resulting wave is devasting and I think remains unexplained. There was a documentary where they tried to re-create the effect in a massive tank inside a hanger, I believe they triggered a massive wave which blew the roof off.
SM says with these out of phase waves and multiple frequencys "All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output"
Does this sound like the electrical equivalent of the monster wave at sea?
It certainly sounds like it could be the electric equivalent.
Maybe we should focus our attention more at the out of phase transformers. According to stevens quote he found something in there that is the basis of his invention. (the combination of frquencies that cause the BIG kick he speakes about is my guess).
Dave, do you have more info about that documentary? Maybe there is something in there about how they created that monsterwave (e.g. frequencies/amplitudes/rotational directions).
regards Dutchy
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I did post some numbers and effects using multiple coils way back in Sept 2006.
overunity.com The international free energy research forum > Electronic solid states setups > Special coil-magnet setups > Tesla's rotating magnetic field generator (http://overunity.com The international free energy research forum > Electronic solid states setups > Special coil-magnet setups > Tesla's rotating magnetic field generator)
I really don't know if that was the first. But the Kick looks to be a magnetic version of a Tesla coil effect, high frequency field generation. I personally feel It doesn't matter what part of the spectrum one works in there are different effects based upon a similar exercises of frequencies and power.
If you quantify Earth as Fzero, then a base frequency of F1 with a power factor of P1, then add a second frequency of F2 with a power factor of P2, as the interference patterns change one would see marked variable effects. Hutchison does this albeit not to well controlled. I have stated this before and believe me this is not new nor my thesis. This is where I am headed with the information from this site. Across the number of experiments posted here there numerous answers to create products or effects beneficial to mankind. The last 75 pages have gone from 'A wire', to added components, to loops, to screaming little toroids, to handsize toroids with more measured effect, to combinatorial permutations of thinking and hardware. The coils that JDo300, CTGlabs, and I built in the beginning are in waiting for the next answer to become a viable device in the chain of experiment. No matter what you've seen in the world, Tesla coils, UFOs, in science fiction, new devices, they are frequency based. I contend that any new frequency based device will be some sort of Tesla coil. The SMs are Tesla coils folded into themselves. That still holds true to the basic tenant that a Tesla coil is not a standalone device but more of a model for multifrequency modulation against any heavenly body or atomic structure. and since we know space is not a void then there is the potential for frequency control. Don't just think about it, dream big! and for God's sake don't stop!
My hat is off to all the potential here.
I would really like to take an Magnetic resonancy imaging ring and turn it on either side. Now that is some power! That would make Hutchison jealous as all get out. And what would any one think of the screaming ferrite bead experiment as a topically applied pain cessation device or some kind of tumor control device or swallowed in some hermitic form to be a weight loss additive, Or used in dog training / control or pest control or a small levitation toy or a musical instrument or electronic fish bait or shark deterent?
GO,GO,GO,GO,GO on and on and on and on. Somebody here is bound to make their mark on society, or we come up with the answer and all meet up in Caracas for lunch.
Ciao for now...
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I think reading this again gives a better place to start than winding coils hoping to stumble on the secret. I think I will start again and start where SM started off.
The nut that needs to be cracked is the right combination of frequencies. SM stumbled on these results because vacuum tubes circuits rely heavily on transformers. The use of a transformer in which different frequencies can be feed is the key. Experimenting with vacuum tubes is not important here. What is intriguing however is that SM says that those frequencies are directly related to the TPU diameter!!!
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Amazing how getting back to basics helps so much. What Tao just posted is it. That's the whole enchilada, right there.
Dave, you are on the right path with going back to transformers. But it doesn't mean you have to start over again, as you basically already have a toroidal transformer.
If you wish to rewind some standard htrs and replicate his first experiment for purity's sake that will work as well. Then we can wind toroids that are resonant to those frequencies...
At one point in this thread it did some research on magnetometers, and it's here somewhere, but I can't find it. I'll look back into that and report back.
It always amazes me how easy it is to chase rabbits down the hole, and get off track. Not that we were, and not that it's bad, because we can come back and read the basics with fresh eyes afterwards. This is a process of iteration. Reading, and re-reading, and then reading it again. And then reading some other stuff, then reading it again..... I will also go back to the amasci stuff and re-read that, as it comes back into play on the third key point that tao posted.
Regards,
Rich.
@Jacob
No theocracy that man has created, ever has, nor ever will work. There is only one theocracy that ever will work, and that is the one put in place by god himself, even then, man will end up screwing it up.
And that wasn't the point. Context was the key. The guy piping in could has easily been piping in with, "42!". Which everyone knows is the secret to life, the universe, and everything; But not really relevent to the conversation at hand. Catch my drift?
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That is quite the accomplishment. I wish I had it. I'll bet there are at least 4 Tesla coils intertwined!
Congrats.
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sorry for being another newbie who chimes in, but I've read through most of this, and am trying to follow intelectually. I've reread all of mannix's posts and a quote from the man who "almost got it" really struck me.
"3. Flux can switch directions within a ferrous material instantaneously, and some say superluminally. It takes very little switching power to flip flux "bundles" from one direction to another, given that there is a good path for the flux to move through. The toroid is perfect for this. If one were to turn on a magnetic field in one coil, that flux permeates most of the toroid, but more importantly is perceived by the next coil. This in turn triggers that coil to operate, and the first coil field is shut down. In this way, one could use coils to move the flux in PULSES around the toroid. This switching from coil to coil, accomplished with low power, high voltage pulses occurs at a natural frequency of the circuit and that frequency that can be handled by the power transistors."
It seems pretty relevent right now.
p.s. I am greatly impressed with the teamwork of this forum. keep it up, there are 6 billion people cheering for you.
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That is quite the accomplishment. I wish I had it. I'll bet there are at least 4 Tesla coils intertwined!
Congrats.
I agree!
Quite impressive...
I'm very excited to read your test results.
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What drive circuit/configuration are you going to use?
I am thinking something like mine but with more control channels?
You know you gotta use square waves... I guess that doesn't need to be stressed. :o
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Hi Guys ! :)
I'm a newbie here too, and I read nearly all the posts on this thread (took 3 days just to read 'em all),
and I have become quite impressed with the device & the teamwork that's happening here,
un-fortunately I can only follow along for now, since I am moving soon & my electronics lab is all packed up :(
but I hope you don't mind if I put my $0.02 in every now and then,
thanks to all the builders for helping to get this thing off the ground, and especially to Mannix for helping to get out the info on SM's device .
i'm rootin' for ya, and wishing you best of luck :D
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Hello marco,
it seems that you are replicating the Molina-Martinez apparature !
For me it does not matter,
somebodies thought that SM=M-M
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Hi Marcos,
Yes I see it. A cascading effect in multiple rotating layers. That is what I am hoping to do with mine. You see all of the terminal connections can be plugged together like a switchboard in parallel and series connections. I only have one layer compared to your 3. I would have to do 2 more but I don't think my turns match up with the SM design. although, I stand my ground on the rotating magnetic field and effects thereafter.
One of my 1st posts on page 151 relays an offer that still stands.Poster savyasachi was the first to take it. You want to know the most amazing fact in our whole history? Jesus' giving surpased all mans accumulations? Believe it or not!
If your need a circuit designed, just ask. I wait as a humble servant in obedience.
Each step becomes a journey. ;)
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That is quite the accomplishment. ...!
Congrats.
I agree!
Quite impressive...
Yes, you obviously put in the hours on that one! Good work always pays off.
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And Marcos...
I almost forgot,
A most prestigious Avatar, dude!
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What drive circuit/configuration are you going to use?
I am thinking something like mine but with more control channels?
You know you gotta use square waves... I guess that doesn't need to be stressed. :o
hi :)
im thinking about some fast high power transistors to start with and most of the control wiring connected as a stairway down.
its like segment a from collector coil 1 is connected to segment b from collector coil 2 so segment c from collector coil 3 is connected to a from collector coil 2 and segment b from collector coil 2 is connected to c from collector coil 3 and so for segment c of collector coil 2 is connected to segment........... ;D ::)
well thats a bit hard to explain but i want to see if i can get it rotating down somehow.
and i will also use CAPS offcourse.
and maybe some diodes.
i think of it cant be that simple but lets try it anyway :)
marco
Guys let's keep it simple! SM says that there nothing intricate about his technology. Actually, the trickiest part is the control circuitry to prevent the device from tuning in too precisely. The rotating field itself is a cinch to obtain once you know what the frequencies are. You have to remember the account of the imploding tv sets. That is a key in understanding how the TPU operates. SM told us about the importance of this.
Ok, now it should be obvious to all of us that what sets a tv set apart from a radio is the image, right? Well in order to produce this image you have to scan the screen horizontally and vertically. Magnetically, this is done with the deflection yoke which basically consist of 4 separate coils working by pair to produce two perpendicular magnetic fields. Fact is if you operate two resonant LC circuits perpendicularly with a slightly different frequency (and maybe with a frequency difference of approx. 7.8 hz) you achieve two goals: you create a rotational magnetic field and you combine two out of phase signals into the same magnetic flux which according to SM can yield some interesting results...
SM also sais that the collector was really 3 coils and insisted on the importance of this number. He talked about connecting these coils in series or in parallel. But I don't think he was referring to the fact that they could be connected in this manner with each other. Otherwise it would be easy to engineer the collector in the right way to start with, and one coil would be sufficient instead of 3. No, I think the reason 3 coils are needed is because 2 of these coils need to be connected (in parallel or in series) with the two resonant LC circuits in order to feed the rotating field. The third collector coil is the one that provide the output power.
The TPU is indeed a very elegant device. This is a fabulous technology! How much cheaper can it get? Now this is what I call true democracy: free power for the ordinary man... A device affordable to all. :D
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Aye lads!
I say weez propoze a bit of a toast now ta tha wee controller. Raise yer coils in thee air and all shout 'Hip hip hoorah!' to tha mother of all designs!
Take a beltin' sip now of yer ale and sit back down fer ye put yer eye out! dunt ya know thars werk to be dun, Argh!:D
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Aye lads!
I say weez propoze a bit of a toast now ta tha wee controller. Raise yer coils in thee air and all shout 'Hip hip hoorah!' to tha mother of all designs!
Take a beltin' sip now of yer ale and sit back down fer ye put yer eye out! dunt ya know thars werk to be dun, Argh!:D
ZPE pirates setting sail in the aether? 8)
I too am now working on my part...
Currently compiling 3 component square wave simultions,
I'm looking for the combination while you build the lock...
I will be posting observed anomalies in coming days.
~Dingus
P.S. Any suggestions for lowest to highest fequencies to include would be quite helpful.
(by limit of availible electronic components, example 5hz-999Mhz)
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But remember all of you Jedis. The empire doesn't want us to have this technology... :o
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shuttinup shutinup!
lol
sam
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P.S.
has anoybody taken a look a wikapedias, transformer basics? there seem to be lots of warnings about "kicks"
J.C.
lol
shutinup shutinup
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Hello all,
Nostradam
I fully agree. I think that only the length of wire is important. If the wire is long and the frequency low (say 7..Hz the electrons are trawelling longer then in short wires with say 5000 Hz.
By the way, my TPU was working with 2 frequencies and I had very good results. There was a very, very STRONG rotational magnetic field. The control coils were connected in one piece (no segments). One resonant frequency was 6-8 Hz and the other around 5000 Hz BUT my control coils were wound vertical as tao showed us (thanks tao) and one coil horizontal around the circunference. I pulsed one coil with 6-8 Hz and the other with 5000 Hz. I can tell you, that was amazing.
As many time before I throw my TPU away! I was not satisfied! Dont say I?m crazy but I feel that something with my TPU was wrong. I?m winding a new TPU ( the 4th) and I think it will be better.
This is the reason why I?m buing today a oscilloskop. It will be used but with 100 Mz very good for me. Don?t think I have money but to finish this project with success I need the scope.
Regards
Otto
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Hello all,
ctglabs
I had 1 vertical and 1 horizontal coil pulsed with 2 frequencies. The interesting thing was that I put one little magnet OUTSIDE the TPU, so to say, on the right side and an other magnet on the left side and as I changed the frequency in one moment vibrated the right magnet and when I changed the frequency again the left magnet vibrated and again at another frequency both magnets vibrated. The distance between the magnets and the TPU was 1 inch. The hight of the magnetic field was 1 feet (35 cm). I measured it. Inside the TPU, as I changed the frequency, my magnetic needle was spinning horizontally or, when I changed the frequency, vertically. It seems to me that we can do a lot of things by just playing with frequencies. Sorry, don?t ask me the frequencies because in this moment I have no scope.
Regards
Otto
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... Sorry, don?t ask me the frequencies because in this moment I have no scope.
Hi Otto,
Of course an oscilloscope is the best for checking waveforms etc but maybe for measuring the frequencies you may borrow from your friends' circle a digital multimeter with frequncy measurement function? Just an idea...
Maybe a university or college lab near to you could be also of help in giving you meas. instrument, I wonder. I know it is not easy to beg around...
rgds
Gyula
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I have spent the last few hours simulating square wave variations of the Schuman Resonance, my findings were that no anomalys spike were observed by the scope. This simulated frequencies package can be useful to experimenters that do not have the time or components require to replicate these pulses with electronics. I can simulate anything you need from .01Hz - 22050Hz, and you can use a linear amplifier and your soundcard output to power your coils.
If anyone wants me to generate a custom set of frequencies PLEASE REQUEST!
I can export 2 tone wave files so left is frequency 1 and right is frequency 2.
I hope I can further assist in this area of the project...
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Dear all,
For those interested in looking for the signal mixing and kicks in two transformers with different phases, I present a simple circuit which is yet to be tested, so may require a little de-bugging.
Basically we have two square wave generators, we can switch between (SW1) using just one of them and having two phase shifted outputs, or we can choose to have two frequencys and shift between the phases (of course changing two frequencys would give give a kind of shift too!>!).
These outputs are fed to the primary of two transformers, of course you connect these however you want and in what order you want, or even mix it all in to the primary of one transformer.
VR2 alters the phase shift, but be aware that say 90 degrees on one frequency, wont be 90 degrees on another, whichever phase must be adjusted with the adjustment in frequency. The outputs are then buffered before going to the transistors which can be whatever you have laying around as long as they are enough to run the transformers, etc.
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
Looks good, one question though, didn't Tesla use short duration pulses? I am not sure so I ask, can you design this to vary the duty cycle? I feel this may help. We may need a 20/80 or 30/70 cycle (On/Off) to improve the test results.
Just a thought.
Carl
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OK, I just had a thought. Are we all chasing rabbits trying to measure the kick in the first place? Seems to be if the Kick phenomena(radiant flying off the surface of the wire at 90), is due to the "bunching effect", and electrons are not flowing through the full length of the wire we are measuring yet, but instead causing energy to leave the circuit at right angles... Wouldn't we have a VERY hard time measuring the kick on anything but the collectors? And even then, if the energy that we are trying to measure is radiant energy, is it measurable at all with std equipment?
This occured to me, as I've seen a few posts that were analyzing theoretical waveforms, trying to find kicks, etc., and I thought to myself, "is that even where kicks occur?"
Am I too far off base here? Am I making sense?
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OK, I just had a thought. Are we all chasing rabbits trying to measure the kick in the first place? Seems to be if the Kick phenomena(radiant flying off the surface of the wire at 90), is due to the "bunching effect", and electrons are not flowing through the full length of the wire we are measuring yet, but instead causing energy to leave the circuit at right angles... Wouldn't we have a VERY hard time measuring the kick on anything but the collectors? And even then, if the energy that we are trying to measure is radiant energy, is it measurable at all with std equipment?
This occured to me, as I've seen a few posts that were analyzing theoretical waveforms, trying to find kicks, etc., and I thought to myself, "is that even where kicks occur?"
Am I too far off base here? Am I making sense?
I'm unsure of this as well...
Altho Mannix and Marks both made refrence to Marks observing this kick effect before developing the first device, if memory serves me, the effect was witnessed in out of phase transformers in series and vacuum tubes. If we can measure anomalys spikes in either instance, it may give us the resonant frequencies to calculate harmonicly tuned coils needed for the device. On the other hand the kick effect witnessed in the transformers or vacuum tubes may not be the kicks we are looking for but phantoms that are similar in nature but not amplitude. I feel we need much more information, the info provided thus far is interesting but not enough to precisely test anything directly related.
Why would Mannix or Marks hold back helpful data that doesn't refer to the patented device? I guess we'll just have to hope the patent lapses one day so that anti-replication clauses, nondisclosure agreements and licensing fees will be nullified, then perhaps Mr Marks will finally share the secret to world peace and postmodern civil sovernty. :-[
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Hi Dave,
And by the way thanks for yesterday's welcome.
If you are using one vertical and one horizontal coil I think I can see that rotation could infact occur with sine wave! But not if using square wave?
This could be how SM has rotating field with very simple setup? But he says the horizontal coils are for collectors, not for control? Also in the large SM device, many wires can be seen coming of the torroid and going to the centre, which indicates more coils as he says.
You are right about the collector coils. We have to apply the sine waves to the control coils. The rotational inertia and gyroscopic effect is produced horizontally, not vertically. The reason Otto got results from his setup is because he feed back the output signal to the input.
Now regarding square waves vs sine waves, here is what I think is happening here:
Kicks are said to be happening when current is first set to travel through a conductor or when the flow is abruptly stopped. Now these sudden changes in current are like a square wave. And it can be shown mathematically that square waves contain all the other frequencies. Therefore when there is an abrupt change in current flow. The electrons that travel through the conductor are not set in motion linearly but start to oscillate going through the whole spectrum before the flow becomes uniform. As this happen, the "right" frequency is produced for a split second. But since the circuit is not tuned to this special frequency were the conductor interracts directly with the earth magnetic field, the kick is short lived. So to be able to observe a kick in a plain conductor, a square wave need to be used. But if the circuit is tuned to the right frequency, we can keep tapping into this energy. So the TPU can and in fact does operate with sine waves. Therefore, 2 simple tuned LC circuits is all it takes to do the job.
Regards,
Jacob
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Well dave thats just the beginning ey.
if two tones are hit on a piano that are close toghether the produced sound strength will rise and fall with a "kickking" effect.
Hi Marco,
Sounds interesting! Does it state anywhere how big the amplification is (what size the kicks are compared to the input signal)?
Would it be possible for you to scan/digitize some important pages of the book and put it online? (I know it's Dutch.....but then again, so am I)
Regards Dutchy
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OK, I just had a thought. Are we all chasing rabbits trying to measure the kick in the first place?
Hi Rich,
Yes, I think you're right. We know that the kicks do happen. All we have to do is tap into them. Or more apropriately "tune" into them. Which is exactly what a tune circuit allows us to do.
Regards,
Jacob
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Why would Mannix or Marks hold back helpful data that doesn't refer to the patented device? I guess we'll just have to hope the patent lapses one day so that anti-replication clauses, nondisclosure agreements and licensing fees will be nullified, then perhaps Mr Marks will finally share the secret to world peace and postmodern civil sovernty. :-[
Dingus,
I don't think Mannix has this information. Strangely, he seems to be searching for answers just like anyone else. As for SM, he already explained all he could about the TPU. His posts contain ALL the answers we need.
Regards,
Jacob
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Marco,
That's very interesting. Frequency builds up slowly. No effects on amplitude though. Does the frequency keep going up or does it stabilize at some point?
Jacob
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This is consistent with the TPU behaviour showing the inertia of the rotating field. The device slowly gets to its maximum designed efficiency when activated, and winds down slowly when deactivated.
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i dont think so......
below is same but now with 1000 seconds wave
it beginning to look like some kind of vortex ey ;D
Hey Marco, this is EXTREMELY interesting! I think you have something here!
Jacob
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The frequency not only builds up, but it's also modulated.
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yeah so now i throw in a 3rd frequenty... lets say 5000 Hz.
Than you can see the wave starts to wave itself. :)
What is the waveform at the bottom? Is it the 5000 hz?
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The middle waveform seems pretty regular. Can you figure out its frequency?
@Dingus:
If anyone wants me to generate a custom set of frequencies PLEASE REQUEST!
I wonder: what happens if you replicate this experiment in your program?
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The middle waveform seems pretty regular. Can you figure out its frequency?
yes... it is 7.8 Hz + 7.4 Hz + 5000 Hz somewhere between 0 and 1000 sec. ;D
Marco,
Can you tell us what the period of the middle signal is? if so we can determine the frequency by f=1/t
regards,
Carl
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to all experimenters,
let's get to the basics! if you have a current traveling through a wire you are producing a magnetic field at 90 degrees to the direction of the current. if you take your right hand and point your thumb in the direction of the current and curl your fingers in then you know the direction of the flow of the magnetic field. everyone with me so far.
if you take your wire that has the current flowing in it and make a loop out of it, what is happening? if lets say your current is flowing counter clockwise then your magnetic field is flowing in a circle at 90 degrees to your wire loop as the current travels around the loop. meaning your magnetic field is coming up throuh the loop. if your current was traveling clockwise the opposite magnetic field direction would also apply.
what ends up happening that is very interesting in the loop either way is that you get a concentration of the magnetic field on the inside of your loop. why? be cause all of the magnetic flux lines on the inside of the loop are concentrated in the diameter of the loop, however on the outside of the loop they are free and have all the space in thier world to travel. no effect on the speed they travel mind you just in the space they all have to be packed into. everyone still there. so to get a magnetic field traveling in a circle is no great feat. all you have to do is run a current through a loop of wire.
now lets say you take another wire and wrap it around the first wire. what have you done? that is right you have made a loop of a piece of wire. lets say a current is ran through this wire. which way? seems to me that you would want it also to be running counter clockwise around the first wire. why? good question.
using the same facts as the current producing a magetic field in the first wire as guide can anyone tell me which way it would be best to have the magnetic field in the second loop of wire flowin? i really don't know. my theory is that it would be best to have the current of the second wire also running counter clockwise, so that the manetic field would be "kicking along" the current in the first wire loop. but that is just a theory. other things to ponder are if you have a current running in the second wire loop auond the first wire loop can the magnetic field created by the current induce a current on the first wire loop (collector)?
next fact is when you take a magnet and move it toward a conductive wire loop a current is generated that travels counter clockwise. when you start to move the magnet away from the loop the current reverses. the current is only produced when the magnet is in motion either toward the loop or away. can the current induced then by just moving a magnet toward a toroid coil be enough to start this current in motion?
looking forward to a little more information on the real physics of this thing instead of so much speculation.
lol
sam
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supersam,
We could do this by using the torrid coil with 2 control coils wound oppposite and pulse them to create the counter fields right? Thus the collector coil would allow us to view the resulting signal on our scopes. All we need to do is make sure the control signals are slightly out of phase to avoid cancellation.
What do you think?
I was just thinking that this may provide another interesting effect.... gravity cancellation (i.e. anti-gravity)??
Regards,
Carl
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@sam!!! You're there!
Hi all,
My circuit (on post page 211) does the dual variable frequencies (the 556 dual clocks chip).
The 74193s can count up or down by the switches.
The 74139s are dual decoders, meaning there are two of them operating seperately.
So I can control 8 coils (post page 157), seperately or intertwined in some configuration at any speed.
I am buidling the circuit part this weekend. Keep in mind the previoulsy mentioned variability of the circuit output. I will be able to patch this circuit to the coil in my avatar with jumper wires and in turn jumper around the coil connections in other ways.
Why? Well I have achieved total maleability so far. I then can change out the coil if need be. I can interject another control stage between the coil board and the driver circuit for power or advanced logic. I can even add microprocessors if need be. I also can add another coil on the opposite side of the first coil from the circuit control.
I can add Marcos' coil in the mix too. Or anybodys.
Now comes the really cool part. I take small spools of wire any guage, any length. Slide them onto an iron, wooden, or plastic rod and connect them in series. That assembly slides into the center of the main driven coil. That will give a huge Tesla like rotating magnetic field. And when anyone of us finally accompishes the SM kick design, I then add that in. The power generation will be immense.
I want a self contained, portable, high powered Hutchison effect device. And why would anybody want that...
I believe and build feverishly... :o
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marcos,
it looks like your about to get a "kick"!
watch out!
lol
sam
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OK, I just had a thought. Are we all chasing rabbits trying to measure the kick in the first place? Seems to be if the Kick phenomena(radiant flying off the surface of the wire at 90), is due to the "bunching effect", and electrons are not flowing through the full length of the wire we are measuring yet, but instead causing energy to leave the circuit at right angles... Wouldn't we have a VERY hard time measuring the kick on anything but the collectors? And even then, if the energy that we are trying to measure is radiant energy, is it measurable at all with std equipment?
This occured to me, as I've seen a few posts that were analyzing theoretical waveforms, trying to find kicks, etc., and I thought to myself, "is that even where kicks occur?"
Am I too far off base here? Am I making sense?
As we all have read in the mails Tao received from Mannic directly, SM confirmed the use of radiant energy in the device.
Question is, is the 'kick' used to produce the radiant energy burst or is it the burst of radiant energy itself?
When we assume the kick he is talking about is a burst of radiant energy then there is no way that it can be measured on the control coils. As Tesla states radiant energy only produces electricity when it passes through copper (or other metals). This means that it would only manifest itself on a collecter.....and not in the circuit that creates them. We might need a radiant energy receiver....
Is there anywhere or anyway to determine for sure if this kick we're looking for is either electric,magnetic or radiant??
What do all of you think?
regards Dutchy
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dutchy,
i think what is happening, "i think", is that because of the fact that the magnetic field is being produced by current flowing around a loop there are some interesting things that are going to happen. what is happening on the inside of the loop is fairly obvious, to some extent. ther is obviously going to be a concentration of the magnetic field because of the space limitation of the diameter of the loop. what is happening on the outside?
it is my theory that the magnetic field generated by the current traveling around the loop, on the outside does no travel to far before it breaks down to .5 gause and then is reflected back by the earths magnetic field. :o then it gets bunched back up in the center of the loop or should i say loops.
just a thought, lol
sam
ps: tired of shuttinup shuttinup
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dutchy,
i think what is happening, "i think", is that because of the fact that the magnetic field is being produced by current flowing around a loop there are some interesting things that are going to happen. what is happening on the inside of the loop is fairly obvious, to some extent. ther is obviously going to be a concentration of the magnetic field because of the space limitation of the diameter of the loop. what is happening on the outside?
Sam,
There won't be much of a flux outside of the coil/loop. In every toroid shaped core (even aircore) 99% of the flux get 'trapped' inside the core and just gets dragged around in circles. This just standard toroid coil behaviour. As SM said we are looking for unconventional behaviour and as i posted before with the use of radiant energy.
regards Dutchy
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starcruiser,
i guess two control loops will work. if you are going to run them out of phase, what do you mean? are you thinking of turning say five winds on one side and six on the other? i think if you do this you will have a transformer or a rectifier, just depends on which way you run your current. lots to think about. ???
lol
sam
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dutchy,
it is my understandin and correct me if i'm wrong, but, the earths magnetic field is a form of rdiant energy. and magnetic forces travel in a circular motion until an equal and opposite effect cause them to react. what i was saying is theat the earths magnetic field is being touched and causing the action for the magnetic field to return to the inside of the toroid, where they are definately being bunched in a raio of 99 to 1. traveling in to seperate vectors because of the fact that there are two currents traveling in different directions with obviously different frequencies. ;)
lol
sam
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Marco,
In order to calculate the frequency we need the period or time of one cycle (peak to peak or crossover to crossover). From the screen shot I canot see a complete cycle of the waveform and I am not sure of the scale of the grid nor the setting you used on the scope when capturing this so I cannot figure it out.
If you have this you can use the formula of frequency= 1/t , where t= time in seconds. the t variable uses the horizontal time setting of the scope in conjucntion with the grid on the scope, i.e. 20us per div, etc.. this would mean 20 micro seconds per grid. If you have a delta function on the scope you can measure this by highlighting the complete cycle of the waveform and this will tell you either the frequency directly or it will tell you the duration of the cycle, then you can use the formula to figure out the frequency of the waveform.
I hope I was clear on this, if not let me know and I will see if I can explain it further.
supersam,
I was thinking the control coils would be of the same number of turns but wound opposite to one another, in other words while you may wind one from left to right, looping the wire from the bottom over the top, the other would be from right to left starting the same way thus you have north facing north and south facing south. Thus the signals would be unity in amplitude but the phase angle would need to be off to prevent cancellation of the signals.
Just a thought that kind of coincides with giantkillers idea or counter rotating fields at similar or differing frequencies. I also goes along with what Stan Dayo was talking about with the ship he saw at area 51 (I think he said).
I really believe the torrid (rotating magnetic fields) is the answer to several questions relating to power generation as well as drive systems for space craft. Look at the various designs out there for motors and power systems that are brushing on the very same concept but from slightly different angles. pardon the pun.
regards,
Carl
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carl
that is an interesting concept. you might actually get just the right amont of frequency change from the losses. why not give it a try?
it occurs to me, though, what we might be looking for in these "kicks" is actually just power surges. the two most common ways to generate a power surge are by creating a rapidly increased electrical presssure, like a lightning strike, or to disrupt temporarrily the electron flow in a given circuit through switching. does any of this make since or am i just babbling?
giantkiller,
dude make it happen!
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carl
that is an interesting concept. you might actually get just the right amont of frequency change from the losses. why not give it a try?
it occurs to me, though, what we might be looking for in these "kicks" is actually just power surges. the two most common ways to generate a power surge are by creating a rapidly increased electrical presssure, like a lightning strike, or to disrupt temporarrily the electron flow in a given circuit through switching. does any of this make since or am i just babbling?
giantkiller,
dude make it happen!
supersam,
I believe that is exactly what we are trying to do by using the square wave pulses and power transistors. Pulsed DC is the path that Tesla was going down and so are we it seems! Just using a slightly different technology.
I'm gonna try this later today and over the weekend, i have a few different ideas and I'll keep you posted of the results.
Regards,
Carl
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Electro-magnetics:
http://au.geocities.com/psyberplasmic/ccS1-2.html (http://au.geocities.com/psyberplasmic/ccS1-2.html)
I rest my case... ;)
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The middle waveform seems pretty regular. Can you figure out its frequency?
@Dingus:
If anyone wants me to generate a custom set of frequencies PLEASE REQUEST!
I wonder: what happens if you replicate this experiment in your program?
Well something lost in this example is square wave format, the example is sine.
I have replicated it in a square format and do not observe the growing feedback in the wafeform.
(but I do think hes on to something)
I must go now but when I return tonight I WILL investigate further.
(What program are you using to simulate this waveform???)
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And I must add this if nobody has seen it.
A great global explanation of Tesla's work and thinking...
http://au.geocities.com/psyberplasmic/ccS1-4.html (http://au.geocities.com/psyberplasmic/ccS1-4.html)
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OK, first,
RE: my last post about being able to measure kicks. If the kicks are of a radiant nature, we probably won't be able to measure them with normal equipment. However, I know that we will be able to measure something interesting. To quote SM
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another. Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
So, what we need to figure out is what we are looking at.... or for.. What is the "all kinds of things going on"
Also, I could be dead wrong on this. It could be straigt up power. If that is the case, just creating superposition of frequencies will generate nothing. We need the lightening quick PULSES. Fast on, fast off. And LOTS of them in succession.
I spoke with Peter Lindemann on the phone a while back, he told me that in Tesla's experiments what tesla found is that when current suddenly stops in a wire, Potential(voltage) will make a path, in the sudden absence of current, it will rise dramatically and CREATE CURRENT FOR ITSELF. He said something like 10,000 volts is roughly equivalent to 1 Amp of current, by our present day measuring system. Which seems to me to be extremely unbalanced if in fact current and voltage have equivalnces. He also explained how the inverse can happen..
Now, the second purpose of this post..
Remember how I said I'd go check out amasci.com again, and bill beatty's stuff and do some research on magnetometers?
Well Amasci.com did it again. Bill Beaty amazed me. I found a PDF of a design for a magnetometer there and some technical descriptions of how they work... Very interesting read. There are also some diagrams of some coils that actually look a bit like a TPU in other articles.
At any rate after reading the attached article, I'm sure we'll be talking about things like proton precession, and playing with a few new frequencies, and winding coils with specific numbers of turns, and tuning circuits. It will need to be adapted a bit to what we are doing, but so much of whats in it is relevent it's rediculous. The specific Magnetometer in the article is made with detectors that utilize distilled water for it's hydrogen content, but that's not the only kind of magnetometer out there. Like I said some of them have very similar coil designs.
It explains the magnets, it explains frequencies, and how to find the ones we want to play with, it explains pulsing the coil, and why it's important for the current to abruptly stop... It's actually kind of scary.
For those of you who don't know what a Magnetometer is, it's a device that detects and converts the earths magnetic field into small amounts of electricity, for the purposes of scientific research, and detecting metal..
You see a magnetometer is resonant with the earths magnetic field, and when the earth's magnetic field is perturbed by a local magnetic field electron polarities change and it induces a small current in the device, which is used for a sensor and trips a circuit to let you know about it. (in the case of magnetometers that are used for metal detecting).
Now what could be the perturbing local magnetic field that triggers this reaction in the TPU? Hmmm?
Regards,
Rich
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rich,
did you not hear, compression of electrical field can also create a power surge! a rapid increase in voltage like you can get out of a toroidal coil "transformer" can also create a power surge.
i guess, it all depends on how you ramp your coil up: or switch it.
the point being there is more than one way to skin the cat.
lol
sam
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rich
ps i think it all depends on how you use your contol windings. you can use them to step up the voltage with a loss of currrent if you want to. maybe even to the point you get a "kick". this is actually a little more than theory.
lol
sam
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rich,
did you not hear, compression of electrical field can also create a power surge! a rapid increase in voltage like you can get out of a toroidal coil "transformer" can also create a power surge.
i guess, it all depends on how you ramp your coil up: or switch it.
the point being there is more than one way to skin the cat.
lol
sam
I hear what you are saying Sam, and I agree for the most part. However, I believe there is only one way, conceptually to skin THIS cat. New technology is usually created by joining two or more older technologies together. The wheel, and the shoe for example, make rollerskates, and people have been enjoying them for quite a while now. How long had the wheel and the shoe been around separately before some guy in the 50's or 60's in California decided to put them together? Centuries? Millenia? That's just an example. Convergence of technologies can be extremely powerful, as in the example of the convergence of the bicycle, kite, and internal combustion engine, by the wright brothers.
The basic components of what we are making will be simple, and known quantities, and when we get it together, we will all say "OF COURSE, IT'S SO SIMPLE!", but for now, it's baffling. SM claims his device is simple, that it uses the earth's magnetic field, and that it uses kicks of energy in specially wound coils, that it requires sharp on and off pulses of power to create the kicks, and that it's started by a magnet. So, with that description, what existing technologies can we explore that exhibit some or all of those properties? Tesla's work, Antennas, and Magnetometers. I'm not saying this is absolutely correct, but a convergence of those three things would indeed manifest a device very similar SM's device. As to compressing an electric field.. yes, we know about that. We've studied the "bunching effect" extensively, and it's a direct extraction from tesla's work.
However, I've never seen a kick come out of a transformer in normal operation. Dave is working with htrs slightly out of phase with eachother right now, and I assume he's connecting them in reverse of one another to see "all kinds of things going on."
:)
Rich
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All well and good....
But the toroid has an emmission face that points inward towards itself, the center. And that is where the compression comes in.
When you apply a square wave, on the front side of the pulse the magnetic field ramps up, but on the trailing edge, the force slams back to normality exceedingly faster than the up start due to not only the earth's magnetic force but the magnetic force of the compression. Huge back-emp. On the scope you see the current pulse as that happens. Nature abhors a vaccum.
That is the 'Kick', and the harmonic buzzing and the gyroscope leveling effect. Plus the fact that the first lines of flux generated break apart from the center and envelope the unit spherically, more potential built up. Again, on the trailing edge these outer flux lines break, unleashing more power, back to enveloping the toroid and decease through the windings. A sine wave can't produce this effect as great.
It slowly relaxes and looks like the generated freqency. But again, the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. All this work is very dependent on how the unit impresses force and vibration to create interference against the earth's magnetic field. Tesla talked about this. 8)
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giantkiller,
BOOM!
lol
sam
ps: you go man!
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marcos,
BOOM! YOU ROCK!
YOU GO!
LOL
sam
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wow,
where did you get the graphics, Marcos? they really set it off!
lol
sam
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marcos,
sorry if i gave you the wrong impression. idon't have it all figured out!
i just wish you'd hurry up and get it all figured out. so i can buy a unit!
lol
sam
ps: but, with this internet thing i think i can find what i asked you for. thanks anyway. get back to doing what you do best. DOING!
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There are never failures. Only rites to passage!
And never, I mean never, give up. When you reach the point of despair, you are on the brink of true accomplishment! I have been here soooo many times. Burnout is another matter. Take a big break and think. Push away from the project for a moment and breathe. Do a lap, pet the pet, go hug someone, hey I am going to go have a beer. Join me, won't you? Where ever you are at!
Blessings to all of you in all your levels of efforts.
It all matters, it's all good!
Let's kick some ass, boys! It's about to get real cool! 8)
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All well and good....
But the toroid has an emmission face that points inward towards itself, the center. And that is where the compression comes in.
When you apply a square wave, on the front side of the pulse the magnetic field ramps up, but on the trailing edge, the force slams back to normality exceedingly faster than the up start due to not only the earth's magnetic force but the magnetic force of the compression. Huge back-emp. On the scope you see the current pulse as that happens. Nature abhors a vaccum.
That is the 'Kick', and the harmonic buzzing and the gyroscope leveling effect. Plus the fact that the first lines of flux generated break apart from the center and envelope the unit spherically, more potential built up. Again, on the trailing edge these outer flux lines break, unleashing more power, back to enveloping the toroid and decease through the windings. A sine wave can't produce this effect as great.
It slowly relaxes and looks like the generated freqency. But again, the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. All this work is very dependent on how the unit impresses force and vibration to create interference against the earth's magnetic field. Tesla talked about this. 8)
Did you even bother to read it? Honest, I'm absolutely positive you'll be impressed. Everything you are saying agrees with it. Aside from the square wave part. I'm not sure if it specifically spoke about that.
However, as I said, before, it explains a lot about how the TPU interacts with the earth's magnetic field, ideas for frequencies to tune coils to, how to make coils more sensitive to the magnetic field, how they behave when perturbed by strong LOCAL field.. Good data here. I'm not saying we start building magnetometers, but there's a lot we can learn from them. SM's device does the same thing as a magnetometer, but on a MUCH LARGER SCALE. This specific Magnetometer is a proton precession magnetometer, which utilizes hydrogen electron spin for accuracy in detection, it's basically a toroid circumferencially wound around a WATER core.. bizarre.. Most are simple toroidal coils with a secondary wrapped around the outside diameter, with a ferrite core... Some have 4 coils wound vertically, and then have one wound around the diameter... Air core (kinda remenicient of something eh?)...
Again, i'm not suggesting that we completely chase this rabbit, Just use what applies to what we are doing.. Skin it so to speak.. There is useful information here.
I attached another example of a different magnetometer setup, this one is a "fluxgate".
Let's kick some ass, boys! It's about to get real cool! :)
I agree.
:)
Rich
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Marcos,
I listened to the wave!
Dude, You are the man! The ticks are the kicks. Can you pump up the power without killing yourself?
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MARCOS,
just keep playing it and the eventually, if you take your surge protectors out, you will see the kick. damn and i thought you were getting close. have you tried turning on the air conditioner. seriously. the best two ways to get a power surge, "kick", is to either wait or create an electrical high pressure system, such as with lightning, or to upset the flow of electrons, by switching! does your setup take either one of these into consideration? most likely, and correct me if i'm wrong, your using a computer system of some sort and the weather is fine.
lol
keep up the good work, i really did think you were about to get the "kick". it deffinately looked like you had on a harmonic coupling that had a growing wave. ??? ;)
sam
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marcos,
my point exactly. it does NOT factor in a power surge. most modern electronic equipment try to block or disrupt power surge, "KICKS" to keep from damageing the stuff we are already paying for. and now you want to recreate it just for free energy.
lol
sam
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tao,
nice graphics. i think everybody should be taking a look at those:dude! have you got any coments on what has happened today so far, or, is it tomorrow already?
seems like a fairly active day. have you seen the shot, Marcos gave us of the 7.8hz, 7.4hz, and the 5kh frequencies combined into a note?
intereting how the wave started to propogate.
what are your thoughts on that?
glad the MIB hav'nt gotten you,lol
sam
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MARCOS,
FIRST LET ME SAY THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL ANSWER IS! I AM NOT DISSING ANY ATEMPTS BY YOU OR ANYBODY THAT IS EXPERIMENTING! my only point was that i don't think any of the currently marketed simulation products have the capability to think that there might be a power surge, "kick".
with this in mind are you sure that the results you think you got today are accurate? it definitely looked like your model today was going to hit- "KICK".
I WISH YOU ALL THE LUCK IN THE WORLD. if this helps great, if not the sun is still going to rise tomorrow. i hope i havn't distracted you from the important research and experimentation that is so needed. i only meant to sit back and play armchair quarterback on monday morning. but i do hope you realize alot of lost games could have been won that way.
lol
sam
ps: you know your power company that probably relies on high voltag DC does have a problem with these power surges, "KICKS" right?
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tao,
i think of the horizontal wire or wires in stevens coil can truly be the collector coils. if you think about winding a loop of wire around any other wire you can induce a current on it by simply initiating a current through the wire wrapping the first wire. with the current in the wire you wraped around the first wire, you are inducing a moving magnetic force! now since the first wire is also a loop, what is going to happen?
it seems to me that you should deffinatly be able to see why the first wire loop is the collector. now if a current is running in the first and second wire loop assemblies, what does that do to the current or voltage in the first? answer these correctly and mabe we can move on to joining coils.
lol
sam
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Stephen,
Can you split this mess up into groups of 50 posts? Keep the original title and number the groups. It takes to long to get to the middle of this project.
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@ tao
what would be big?
i cant make verry much of the image... but i do have some 6mm wire.
do you think its that fat? :)
if you do ill role another one ;D
No, no...
I am not suggesting that you or anyone else at this stage make bigger collector coils.
I was mearly referencing that video, which I admit is hard to see, I will try to make better images, regardless, in the video, what everyone was thinking was just some black cork material or something in the cut portion of the TPU, now appears, after some review, to have three embedded multistranded coils. If I am right about my video analysis, then it certainly confirms for sure that Steven was indeed using 3 horizontal multistranded collector coils. I was just saying they were big so that people might be able to more easily see them in that short video...
Now, the reason BIGGER MUTLISTRANDED wire, i.e. more diameter, is better is due to the Tesla radiant energy and it's production and collection...
The way in which Tesla/Gray collected this 'radiant energy discharge' was to have COPPER, must be copper, at 90 degrees to the DISCHARGING(KICK GENERATING) WIRE. Now, the MORE COPPER you have in this AREA that is 90 degrees to the discharging wire, the MORE 'radiant energy' you can COLLECT! Its a function of mass and area in terms of copper. The more copper the more reception.......
Why need it be multistranded wire then? This has to due with how Steven made the device work and he found that there was a lot of eddy current side effects and using multistranded copper wires lowered the adverse eddy heating of the copper collector coils........
For now, any amount of copper for the collectors is fine, don't go making the collector coils BIG, UNTIL we get the KICKS working :).
It seems to me that the collector wiring is just 3 or 4 turns for each coil, of a large diameter multistrand, like speaker wire or something. Is that what you are seeing? You can even make out the vague ovals of the inner vertical coils, it's just a faint outline. I cannot see the overall outside coil, but I'm assuming that's because of the tape. The entire thing seems to be held to gether with some form wood on top and bottom. This would be good for mounting transistors etc, as you could just cut little holes in the wood, and tape over them to keep them in place, and accessible, for maintenance.
So, now, I need to ask if anyone read the first PDF I posted about magnetometers.
I know Tao will, he's a reader. And he knows the value of the amasci.com stuff. It's a mind blower man. READ IT. If you read it, I know it won't go away without some serious consideration. It wont' change our coil setup I don't think, but it's defenitely going to help us figure a lot out, and answer a whole LOT of questions. There's too much in common. But what would we expect from another device that generates electrical current from the earth's magnetic field?
@sam, yes we know it's the collector coil, we gathered that from description sent to us from SM in PMs a while ago, made a drawinging of it, and it's posted more than once in this thread. There is a lot of stuff we've already been through, perhaps a good read of all the stuff we were up to might be a good idea to avoid redundancy. You threw the bunching effect out earlier today as if it was something new too. Really man, go read up, knowlege is your friend..
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Stephen,
Can you split this mess up into groups of 50 posts? Keep the original title and number the groups. It takes to long to get to the middle of this project.
He needs to display more than 5 posts per page. Like 10 or 15, like normal boards would be nice.
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Sam,
I don't really understand how your loops are positionned one from another. If your seconth loop is just around the first one, you won't achieve much except regular induction.
...using the same facts as the current producing a magetic field in the first wire as guide can anyone tell me which way it would be best to have the magnetic field in the second loop of wire flowin? i really don't know. my theory is that it would be best to have the current of the second wire also running counter clockwise, so that the manetic field would be "kicking along" the current in the first wire loop. but that is just a theory. other things to ponder are if you have a current running in the second wire loop auond the first wire loop can the magnetic field created by the current induce a current on the first wire loop (collector)?
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@Rich:
The basic components of what we are making will be simple, and known quantities, and when we get it together, we will all say "OF COURSE, IT'S SO SIMPLE!", but for now, it's baffling.
Don't know why you say that. I've explained it very simply on page 233.
SM claims his device is simple, that it uses the earth's magnetic field, and that it uses kicks of energy in specially wound coils, that it requires sharp on and off pulses of power to create the kicks, and that it's started by a magnet. So, with that description, what existing technologies can we explore that exhibit some or all of those properties?
Answer: the deflection yoke.
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi GiantKiller,
That is the 'Kick', and the harmonic buzzing and the gyroscope leveling effect. Plus the fact that the first lines of flux generated break apart from the center and envelope the unit spherically, more potential built up. Again, on the trailing edge these outer flux lines break, unleashing more power, back to enveloping the toroid and decease through the windings. A sine wave can't produce this effect as great.
It slowly relaxes and looks like the generated freqency. But again, the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. All this work is very dependent on how the unit impresses force and vibration to create interference against the earth's magnetic field. Tesla talked about this. 8)
You are right: the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. And this is why the square wave is able to produce the kicks. However it requires circuitry to generate, and thus, power. And SM device has no battery, remember? But if we are already tuned to the frequency responsible for the kicks, the square wave is not needed.
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Dave,
I had the thought to try two coils at once in varying positions to each other and the earths field.
Very clever, relevant and useful! Congratulation!
The interesting thing is that the coils both get the same signals as the first experiments, BUT when the two coils are placed a certain distance from each other, both of their signals jump from 10mV PP signal to 40mV PP each.
What kind of distance? Also, have you tried to position them perpendicularly?
Obviously this is very small voltages which are of no practical use...
This is all the voltage we need to start the process.
Note that this works in any orientation with repsect to the earths field and only when the coils are in the right phase. Turn one coil the other way around and the signal drops, so probably just mutual self inductance...
I don't think so. This behaviour is exactly the same thing that happens when SM turns the TPU upside down: it stops. The reason is that the energy wave that we want to tap into has 3 components: a rotational component in the X-Y plane, and a longitudinal component in the Z plane. Pretty much like a turbine. Since the rotational component is directional, it turns out that trying to tap into it in the other direction yields nothing.
Dave, SM said that the frequencies we need are directly related to the diameter of the device. Have you tried twisting your loops to make them half of their actual size in order to see if you would measure the same frequency?
Regards,
Jacob
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So from and what Bedini says about it all being about fast rise times, the coil is only responding to the fast rise signal, the rest of the resonance signal is normal if you see what I mean? We should just focus on the start of the signal, its purley the fast rise pulse that couples, the rest can be ignored...
Hi Dave and everyone,
You might be right there. Is it possible for you to try the same again with a very low duty cycle squarewave (few percent, the lower the better). I would like to see if you get the same level spike at the beginning and if the ringing wears off much quicker. If that's the case then that might be the way to generate the kicks.
Also, I was thinking of the kicks and what exactly they should be. Seeing as the kicks are the beginning of the whole proces they can't be radiant, because for the radiant pulses to be created you need elektricity to begin with, right? The only way as far as i know to start generating energy from "nothing" is through induction. The induction is either caused by the earth magnetic field or the insertion of the magnet. So is it right to conclude that first induction is needed and with that the radiant pulse are created which in turn are picked up by the collectors?
Does this reasoning make sense to anyone?
regards dutchy
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Hi guys,
Can you explain? I must be stupid.
Thanks,
Dave.
Dave,
Like I said in an earlier post: "Fact is if you operate two resonant LC circuits perpendicularly with a slightly different frequency (and maybe with a frequency difference of approx. 7.8 hz) you achieve two goals: you create a rotational magnetic field and you combine two out of phase signals into the same magnetic flux which according to SM can yield some interesting results... "
We know that the kicks are obtained by having two frequencies interact with one another. Therefore, operating an LC circuit with one (frequency), and the other LC circuit with another (frequency), we get it all: the rotational field AND the energy wave.
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone already have clue about what the outer control coil is used for? Could it be that this one is used to induce a small voltage from the earths magnetic field and with that voltage starts the whole process. Are those oscillators in the center of the big device connected to the outer coil or the inner coils?
Then the inner control coils are used to create the radiant energy which in turn is to be picked up and converted by the multistranded collectors.
regards dutchy
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Hi Marco,
so the kicks must be generated with many many windings as in the high voltage transformator for the televinson elektron beam witch writes 256 picturelines @ 50 Hz or so on to the screen.
While there is HV feed into a defection yoke, there is none in a TPU in its rev up phase. Therefore high voltage is not necessary to produce a kick. This kick HAS to be frequency related, meaning an interaction between two different signals.
Jacob
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Hi everyone,
Does anyone already have clue about what the outer control coil is used for? Could it be that this one is used to induce a small voltage from the earths magnetic field and with that voltage starts the whole process. Are those oscillators in the center of the big device connected to the outer coil or the inner coils?
Then the inner control coils are used to create the radiant energy which in turn is to be picked up and converted by the multistranded collectors.
regards dutchy
Hello Dutchy,
What do you mean by inner control coils and outer control coils? If by outer you refer to the larger diameter windings, these are used in opposite pairs to rotate the field and also probably induce a near to 7.8 HZ standing wave in the collector windings through interaction between the two signals. As for the inner coils, my guess is that they are used to somehow tune out the device if need be to prevent a power surge.
Regards,
Jacob
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dave, the deflection yoke inside a television.... its the driver for the elektronbeam witch writes onto the screen.
its made up of x and y coils so putting up some power on one side will push or pull the truerunning elektronbeam to the other side.
now for the exploding television had to somehow be bad grounded circuit so peaks appear in the yoke witch on one point started to synchronise with shuman freqency and BOOM. ;D
so the kicks must be generated with many many windings as in the high voltage transformator for the televinson elektron beam witch writes 256 picturelines @ 50 Hz or so on to the screen.
Gentlemen we are getting closer. :)
it also explains all that dust around the high voltage circuit in a tv set.... is all the static energy that hangs around and pulles the dust.
you guys seem to be overlooking the most obvious & most plausable explanation about the exploding TV set......
LIGHTNING !
a direct hit on an outdoor antenna with a million volts & many thousands of amps COULD produce the same result .
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dave
don't forget with the current running arou your ver tically wound control coils, you also have a magnetic field running at 90 degrees to this which will be picked up by the collector loop, and converted to current.
lol
sam
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you guys seem to be overlooking the most obvious & most plausable explanation about the exploding TV set......
LIGHTNING !
a direct hit on an outdoor antenna with a million volts & many thousands of amps COULD produce the same result .
I think you need to read the whole story. You'll realize that lightning had nothing to do with it.
So in many ways we have early RCA color TV engineers to thank for my discovery of the power generator. I am sure they are all dead now but they did contribute.
Perhaps a story which had impact on me at that time was told to me by my boss way back in 1970 I believe it was.
He told me that around 1965 or 66 there was an explosion in an apartment in Chicago. the authorities had concluded that for some unknown reason, a General Electric color television receiver had been the source of an explosion that killed a young black child in the apartment. My boss went on to relate that he was involved in the investigation because he was in Chicago at the time and he was invaluably experienced with television circuits and etc.
He told us that what they found was, the TV had exploded with some quick furry. The explosion did in fact kill the poor child who was sitting directly in front but sparred his mother who was some distance away in the kitchen.
The explosion was strange because of the absence of expected chemicals necessary to create the explosion. It appeared that the TV was the exact center of the explosion, however no one could find a reason for the explosion occurring. Also consider that there is not really much inside a TV to explode with enough force to kill people and destroy the living room a large apartment. Yes a CRT can explode and kill someone, however this was not the kind of explosion we are talking about. The most interesting part of the story is that according to our boss, metallic objects especially those containing large amounts of iron were dramatically displaced. He mentioned that some nails were actually removed from the walls and pulled toward the TV set. When they found them they were bent and shaped like cork screws! Everything in the room appeared to have moved or was moving toward the TV as it exploded, or imploded as the case may be. The child was apparently killed by way of these metallic objects traveling through his body on their way toward the center of the TV set.
As far as my boss knew, there was never a good explanation for the occurrence. We found out that this was not the only unexplained explosion of TV sets worldwide. However, the fact that all the sets exploded while in operation may bear some light. Also most of the TV sets were made by the GE company or were TV sets made using GE circuits and of similar design.
However, this man who had been my mentor for so many years had his own theory which he never told anyone as far as i know, except me. His theory was that the TV while in operation, somehow managed to become a receiver of more then just television waves and so for a millisecond in time became a receiver and the discharger of a huge amount of electrical and magnetic energy. This discharge of magnetic energy is vary similar to the discharge of magnetic energy during an atomic explosion. . . Now that is something I have thought about a great deal.
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Dave,
But I noticed the build up would not rise and rise, it would stop at 40mV, so I assumed this to be mutual self induction. But if we look back at the Hendershot device, if this small signal is then fed else where to larger coils which also do the same, perhaps a build up loop can start, or perhaps even have two symetrical halves and the signal can swing back and forth between the two.
For it to rise, it would have to be a resonant LC circuit, and you only had coils. And you had no feedback either, so it couldn't go anywhere from there.
Anyway, I think I need to have a look at the Hendershot device...
Regards,
Jacob
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dave,
i don't think this will violate any laws, certainly not the 90 degree law. i think by having two different diameters of looped wire you will only have different frequencies. which means, maybe different vector potentials. but both will hit the collector loop and generate a current. maybe even create a power surge,"KICK", if tuned properly to resonate.
sam
watch out for those 5's and 6's
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dave,
for the gyyro to work you have to have a large mass spinning in the center. i think we all have that with the large collector coil in the center. all that is needed is to get a current flowing in that large mass and you have a magnetic current flowing with it to make the gyroscopic effect practical.
sam
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everybody,
i think dave has a real good question about which way shoulod the control coils be spining. that seems to me to be the real question we should be finding the answer to. if we spin them the same way do we get a different effect than spinning them in the opposite?
lol
sam
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hey,
maybe one way will give you a small scale collider, and one way will give you an over unity device. what do you think? :o
sam
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you guys seem to be overlooking the most obvious & most plausable explanation about the exploding TV set......
LIGHTNING !
a direct hit on an outdoor antenna with a million volts & many thousands of amps COULD produce the same result .
I think you need to read the whole story. You'll realize that lightning had nothing to do with it.
well, post the link to the story, I would like to read it,
I have an open mind, and maybe it would change my mind :)
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dave,
that doesn't work either. maybe try again
latter
sam
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well, post the link to the story, I would like to read it,
I have an open mind, and maybe it would change my mind :)
The whole account of this is in the post you quoted from
Jacob
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Guys a question. We know there are two frequencys and we know there is a rotating field, these two things are for sure...
Question, is the field rotating in one direction, or is it two counter rotating fields? If you have counter rotating field of two different frequencys to create a difference frequency, will this signal be rotating and in what direction? I think its more likely we have two signals like I said in the other post and like marcos image, a new signal is created which grows higher in frequency and rotates in one direction. If you are to get gyroscopic feeling in the coil, surely one direction is needed. If you have two gyroscopes on a common shaft and spin one in one direction and one in the other, the force cancels, no?
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
I think both waves have to go in the same direction. The fact that they're slightly different will produce the desired effect anyway. SM said that he was getting unexpected results when both signals were opposite OR different in phase. Since the frequencies of both signals are probably very close to one another, moving them in opposite direction would create two counter rotating fields. This would invalidate the "garden hose" allegory used by SM. Plus, there is the magnet which, in my opinion, is used to polarize the direction of the rotating flux within the torroid.
But then, I could be wrong...
Regards,
Jacob
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well, post the link to the story, I would like to read it,
I have an open mind, and maybe it would change my mind :)
The whole account of this is in the post you quoted from
Jacob
ok, sorry
I thought you were referring to another story from somewhere else.
I did read the story that was posted here, I'm just saying that lightning shouldn't be ruled out because it didn't behave like the way you or me or the Chicago Fire Dept. would expect lightning to behave, lightning can & does do some very strange things .
that post did mention that a CRT "explosion" can kill people, and it no doubt can,
I have seen the result of a CRT implosion in a TV from the 1950s (before they used implosion protection) & the pieces were thrown out to 20 feet away (big pieces) !
my point is that I don't know how they determined if the whole TV EXploded or IMploded .
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I am still on a high from Marco's 'kicker' post yesterday...
Lets go on a parallel tangent here of reality to possibilties:
First: The 90 angle coil allows the lines of flux to crisscross through the other field's harmonic kick lines.
This greatly increases the interference by a level of magnitude, eq. more power. Very much like Moire pattern when looking through two screens held together and shifting each one, ie. changing frequencies. So the two parallel coils counter rotating create a squeezed harmonic between them and the colletor simply pushes a field through the 'KICK' freq. thereby extracting the power. As we have called it an antenna... No?
Second: With the 2 counterrotating base fields, the 2 freqs have to be such the the phase shifts goes clockwise looking down on the device. Why? Some could call this a stretch but here goes. Show me any spinning UFO that you have ever seen that counterclockwise rotated. In my recollection I have seen posts that talk about the difference in power when going clockwise or clockwise? This could be utterly foolish, but avenues have to be thought out.
Third: I did watch the Freak wave video and the SM devices are Freak wave creators, the kicks. The study of harmonic frequecies show that the output wave can be larger than the sum of all its components, frequency wise. We have examples of this in earth quakes and tsunamis. The SM device is a small waves to freak wave generator then collecting.
Fourth: The hutchison effect comes from the freak wave anomaly directed at an object, focused or otherwise. It is in the videos of his experiments. A Tesla coil and an injected freq. into that field. With better control than just waving 2 freqs at each other, a continuous repeatablility can be gained. I'll bet that by where the field focus is on the target object results in better control. For instance closer to the target objects center results in leviatation with the right amount of power. Where with some other combination of harmonic focus and power the target object exhibits changes and in its atomic properties. In his videos, things made of different non metallic compounds like wood, ice cream levitate, whereas metallic things seem to have the most pronounced effect.
Fifth: And most important! Postpage 1 = 2006-01-30 , postpage 148 = 2006-09-04 = 148 pages in 7 mos. This is 1 1/2 pages a day.
Well, postpage 149 2006-09-4 to postpage 264 2006-09-30 = 116 pages in 30 days. This equals 4 1/2 pages a day.
Now isn't that impressive. Our speed is tripled! Are we our own freak wave?
Next time... 8)
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maby he is using conditioned magnets as oscillators
Floyd Sweet's VTA or SQM "The Space Quantum Modulator".
http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Floyd_Sweet.html
Mike
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The middle waveform seems pretty regular. Can you figure out its frequency?
@Dingus:
If anyone wants me to generate a custom set of frequencies PLEASE REQUEST!
I wonder: what happens if you replicate this experiment in your program?
Well something lost in this example is square wave format, the example is sine.
I have replicated it in a square format and do not observe the growing feedback in the wafeform.
(but I do think hes on to something)
I must go now but when I return tonight I WILL investigate further.
(What program are you using to simulate this waveform???)
I have been trying to simulate this (reverb) stacking effect shown in your simulations for two days now, and have missed the last 25+ pages of posts. :o My results have been inconclusive so far, so I would still like to know the name of the application you used to plot this waveform...
Were all frequencies pure sine (+/-) or was one absoulte sine (0/+)?
Can you explain the exact proccess you used to simulate this waveform?
Can you PLEASE tell me the name of this app?
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... you guys because you all seem to be set on the rotational magnetic fields as the operating point of SM's devices.
Absolutely. This is the way to go.
... These control wires/coils are pulsed with DC via the dumping of a capacitor through these control wires/coils...
Tao, the TPU starts without any power at all. and as you quote yourself from SM:
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.
The incoming signal in a radio receiver is picked up by a resonant circuit. Such a circuit produces a sinewave. No pulsed DC here!
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
As he says: "the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source". We are definetively dealing with a sinewave here.
Now, what about the collector coils you say? Glad you asked. Since the magnetic field that is flying around the toroid is PARALLEL to the HORIZONTAL collector wires/coils, there can't be any induced current in the collectors, because a magnetic moved along a copper wire parallel to it induces NO current.
If the magnetic field was parallel to the collector wires, you would be right: there wouldn't be any induced current in the collector. However, that is not the case. Maybe there is a misconception about this. The rotating magnetic field is PERPENDICULAR to the collector. This creates a field within the torroid center, pretty much like the rotor of a turbine. Therefore the field is similar to the simulation seen on the attached picture below. A field parallel to the collector would be entirely confined inside the torroid.
Ok, now, here are some quotes from Steven's MANY postings on overunity.com that relate directly and support the above theory:
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My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
NOTE HERE THAT HE IS SAYING THAT THE COLLECTOR WIRES/COILS ARE THE WIRES THAT DIRECTLY CONNECT TO THE LOAD, NOT THE CONTROL WIRES, THIS SUPPORTS THE THEORY OF THE HORIZONTAL COLLECTOR WIRES BEING LOOP ANTENNAS...
If the load was connected to the control coils, they wouldn't be control coils. And vice-versa for the collector. But you are right when you say that the power from the collector is feed back to the control coils. This is why we need 3 collector coils. Two are these are feed back to a different set of control coils, the third one is for the load. Alternatively, it would also be possible to use only only 1 collector coil for feedback, but the control coil circuit would have to be wired differently.
The addition/change is that instead of simply creating a SIMPLE rotational magnetic field in ONE direction, you instead must create TWO rotational magnetic fields in opposite directions. When you have two THINGS rotating on the same axis in opposite directions you create a GYROSCOPE.
Perhaps. But most gyroscope you'll encounter are unidirectional. Plus, keep in mind that if there were 2 counter-rotating fields, the TPU would works perfectly when placed upside down. This is not so.
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR. THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
Seems to me as evidence that the rotating field is perpendicular to the collector, not that the magnetic field is bi-directional.
Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?
Two counter-rotating fields move in the same plane. What SM is saying here relates to the spiraling effect of the energy wave being tapped. Pretty muck like the nails shaped like corkscrews in the imploding tv set incident.
The basics of the matter are, if you have two counter-rotating fields moving about, say on next to the other, or one above the other, the AREA BETWEEN these counter-rotating fields will have a STANDING WAVE(or rotating STANDING WAVE if the frequencies are not 100% matched) setup, a sort of interferance wave setup which is the result of those two opposing-rotating magnetic fields.
Yes, and that is most probably what is happening in the TPU: a standing wave is created. But you can achieve the same result with 2 different signal going in the same direction.
One interesting thing to add is that in the videos of those first two models of Stevens, the ones unlike the later toroidal models, they both have an upper and lower 'ring', the first one having those saw blades, and the other having those ring cores, my theory fits perfectly in with those models because in both of those you have two distinct rings(the upper and lower) where you could place two distinct rotational magnetic fields...
Yes, the videos show 2 different architecture for the TPU: one uses regular coils grouped by pair on 2 different axis, the other use the torroid approach. These 2 are equivalent. More about this later if you want...
Now, in regards to the SM17 device lets think about the control electronics that we can see...
The two capacitors with resistors attached near the edge of the inner toroid could be the FREQUENCY GENERATORS that go into the CONTROL WIRING, which also create the ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD STANDING WAVES which are then picked up in the two LOOP ANTENNAS(the collector wires) in the SM17.
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Oh, and all the electronics you see in the middle, the two small toroidal transformers with the two caps,
THESE ARE THE RESONANT CIRCUITS!,
they EACH HAVE a 1:1 simple toroidal transformer with a matching capacitor to capture energy from the LOOP ANTENNAS via the TWO rotating magnetic fields, and note that the smaller devices DON'T have TWO of these transformers with caps, but only ONE, thereby coinciding with the above theories nicely.
SM3 and SM6 are passive devices in a sense: they use only one resonant circuit per frequency, and the control coils are the L part of such circuit. SM17 on the other hand is an active device, in the sense that the the signal fed to the control coils is produced by primary oscillators closely integrated with control electronics to prevent the device from "tuning in too closely".
Regards,
Jacob
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hi :)
some more about the yoke
the control wiring is wound in 4 segments.
but each segment is also wound in 6 segments.
so we have a total of 4 x 6 segments = 24 segments.
one segment of 6 segments has two wires to connect.
so we have a total of 4 x 2 = 8 connection wires to 24 segments.
two of 4 segments of 6 segments are interconnected.
that leaves a total of 8 - 2 = 6 wires to connect.
so it has 24 segments wich can be controled by 6 wires.
one segment of 6 segments:
the first segment has 2 turns the second has 3 turns and so on to the 6th that has 7 turns.
this is only one layer so compared to the sm device it could be 3 x 24 segments.
maybe maybe not but i think this is were it al started once :)
Marco,
The deflection yoke you have on hand is too complex to be really useful. Plus I suspect that some design guidelines have been issued to the tv manufacturers since the 50's to avoid recurrence of the tv sets implosion incidents. All that is really needed is 2 pairs of coils positionned adequately. The simplest deflexion yoke I found is wired straightforwardly, but it has 2 semi torroidal ferrite cores for the vertical deflection. We need an air core or something equivalent.
Regards,
Jacob
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I have been trying to simulate this (reverb) stacking effect shown in your simulations for two days now, and have missed the last 25+ pages of posts. :o My results have been inconclusive so far, so I would still like to know the name of the application you used to plot this waveform...
Were all frequencies pure sine (+/-) or was one absoulte sine (0/+)?
Can you explain the exact proccess you used to simulate this waveform?
Can you PLEASE tell me the name of this app?
Dingus,
You have to ask Marco what program he used. But also be aware that since then, Marco said that the results were flawed.
Regards,
Jacob
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Ok lets think voltage leads the current 90 degrees, caps current leads the voltage 60 degrees.
A coil of wire is an inductor, and inductor looks like a short to ground to DC.
Mutual inductance between inductors with seperate cores (even air) produce resonance and a great deal of noise because of feed back.
2 inductors produce 180 degrees, 3 caps produce 180 degrees. 4 inductor sections interacting with each other and needing 180 phase shift for each section, I can't tell you I think you might be going to high tech here. The correct number of componets add up to harmonics and an inverter. Stevens early devices were started with a magnet.
We are trying to generate kicks (line transients) rapidly.
This is my personal belief and might not be correct. Air coils can collapse faster that iron core inductors. They may attract magnetic flux from another field.
I traded my coils for 3 old electronic books, I'm going to try 2 configurations or 2 different and off on my own. I am going to romance the feedbacks, 2 coils per section, 3 sections and another 6 sections. 3 caps=180 degrees.
I'll build 1 standard too.
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Further info on older TVs.
I have a 2 foot diam glass? dish from a vintage 50s tv that I use as a parabolic concave mirror for focusing sunlight into a highly focused point of light. It works exceedly well because the glass appeared semi opaque before I mirrored it. That makes the inside of the glass darkened, which gives the silver side better reflection. Who I received this from told me that it was impregnated with lead. I asked this person what it's function was in the tv. He replied 'It's a radiation shield'. TVs back then put out alot of high powered freqs. The picture is attached.
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Hello all,
Just thought this could be useful. To help everyone understand how you get a rotating magnetic field with 2 sinewaves, I have attached 2 drawings, one for each TPU architecture. This illustrates what happen when we have 2 similar frequencies that are 90 degrees out of phase. These drawings are not as nice as Tao's cad rendering of the TPU windings, but they should do the job.
The aligned winding architecture is easier to understand than the torroidal architecture, but corresponding phases of each architecture represent a similar field orientation. And they both produce a magnetic field similar to the one shown on the animated gif below. A similar rotation will be obtained even with dissimilar frequencies or varying phases.
Regards,
Jacob
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So,
I had the thought to try two coils at once in varying positions to each other and the earths field.
The interesting thing is that the coils both get the same signals as the first experiments, BUT when the two coils are placed a certain distance from each other, both of their signals jump from 10mV PP signal to 40mV PP each.
Perhaps the signals provided for free in each coil are able to "bounce" of each other and self amplify?
Obviously this is very small voltages which are of no practical use, but it shows that certain coil orientations can self amplify a signal with no input from the operator, just "natural signals". So this maybe clue, or it may be rubbish!
Note that this works in any orientation with repsect to the earths field and only when the coils are in the right phase. Turn one coil the other way around and the signal drops, so probably just mutual self inductance...
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
why did you do this test on a steel table or chair ?
It works like a faraday cage and will make all your signals
worse.
Please try again in the open space with no iron or steel
or any metal near.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems.
Thanks for bringing this up Marco, its very accurate. But we don't want to supply the grid with industrial grade electricity able to power 3 phases ac motors, we're just rotating a magnetic field exactly like a deflexion yoke would do. And we're doing it with 4 wires, not 3. So this is no feat at all. Now don't forget: a deflexion yoke is magnetically identical to a TPU.
Marco, remember we were told to avoid mainstream ideas. We have to stay open minded if we want to achieve our objective: we want to build this thing!
Regards,
Jacob
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Actually, for the phases in both architecture to represent equivalent magnetic fields , the toroidal phases should look like below:
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jacob,
where in the hell did you come up with that? what in the hell did you think that made it pertinant?
sam
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Your coil picture is exactly what I have on my coil board. Your diagram is hardwired and the compliment coil pairs do not show their polarity. If your driving at 90 phase shift then all circuits need to be represented. Anyway. My coil board lets me change coils and/or lets me jumper any configuraton. Thanks for documenting one possible configuration for me. I am creating a plug -n- play coil breadboarding system. I put the coil mount in my avatar to spur others on. It also serves at part of the documentation process. The coil drivers portion will also be replacable to drive any coil changes.
I mention this in this fashion because those of us that have coil avatars displayed know the amount of work it takes to get to this state. If a coil is wrong one can feel defeated, and maybe lack of funds. My coils could be wrong. But the coil drive logic seems more sound than my coil parameters. I will follow through knowing that when the time comes for me to switch out my coil, the dynamics of all of our efforts will produce a workable solution. Boy, doesn't sound like a load of crap. The coil makers know it is tiring. My little one took 1 hour. My second one, with 4 segments, took four hours. And I know 2 coils are not enough. It is a labor of love. I bought 8 tip41 current drive transistors. Wrong. Now I have to get 8 MOSFETS, thanks Marcos. I have buz11s but they aren't as hi voltage as the irf840s. Don't know what I was thinking. The IRFs have the current bypass diodes on board. Regular TIPs don't.
Once again the schematic is on page 211 and the coil open configuration is on page 157. This current attachment links both together logically.
And hey, be still and be at peace with one another.
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Well that was goofy...
Visio 2k doesn't produce jpgs sometimes.
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jacob,
where in the hell did you come up with that? what in the hell did you think that made it pertinant?
sam
He's actually got a pretty decent Idea for rotating the fields. How much of what you post is pertinent?
the thing is, there are some opposing ideas on how this thing works. I suggest jacob build his ideas and report back, and someone get working on what Tao, and I have worked on since early in this thread.
Also, just so you know jacob, the magnetic fields tao talked about would NOT be perpendicular to the collector. It would be parallel to it, if the control wiring were perpendicular to the collector as magnetic fields expand off of a wire radially at right angles, which would line them up parallel with an inner coil that is run perpendicular to the wire being excited.
Another note. The standing waves you talked about Tao. If the upper and lower coil were wired in parallel, and the middle one was wired in series, or separate to these, it would create TWO of the standing waves you talked about not one. One between the upper and middle, and one between the lower and middle.
Also, if they counter-rotated, the ramp up effect would be much more pronounced, and detectable by a compass. If they rotated in the same direction it would happen so fast that it would be undetectable by a compass.
In addition to the two frequencies, I think there should be two different switching speeds as well. If the two fields rotated at the same speed you would have a collision point of both fields at the same spot on the coil all the time.
However if the switching speed was slightly different, as well as the frequencies, the collision point would advance just a tad at every revolution of both fields, As magnetic fields of the same polarity collide they are enhance at the point of collision(kick anyone?), giving you a net unidirectional rotation of the magnetic field, that is greater than the upper and lower fields alone could be.. Perpendicular to the collector. This would increase in speed as power increased until the unit reached it's full capacity. At which point it would likely no longer be detectable by a compass. The net unidirectional effect would in fact make it impotent when turned upside down. This would also give you the gyroscopic effect you were talking about.
However do not get side tracked by the inductance... It only accounts for a small portion of the power, which would be fed back to the controls.
The only problem I have with your theory, is that I've never heard of a loop antenna being made of a heavy gauge multi-strand wire. Bifilar maybe, but something as thick as car audio wire? Nope. And I defenitely see like 3 or 4 turns of some heavy gauge wire in the cutaway video.. Now, perhaps this would be ideal at such a close range to the emitters, as they are electrically larger, especially after inductance begins, and hence could be more efficient.
Regards, Rich.
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Oops, got it wrong again. The corrected drawing of the torroidal architecture is still different in phase representation of the aligned winding architecture. Now this is it:
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jacob,
where in the hell did you come up with that? what in the hell did you think that made it pertinant?
sam
Sam,
First of all, this technology originates from heaven not hell, just as anything else that is good on this planet. And questionning the pertinence of it is not understandable to me. This is just common sense! We know that tv sets contain a component that in the past created incidents based on the fact that it behaved like an uncontrolled TPU. And anyone who is remotely familiar with television technology knows that the deflection yoke must have been that component. I didn't come up with these facts: they are history. Now based on those facts, I simply explained how a deflection yoke would rotate a magnetic field. That's it! So this is very pertinent. Where is the problem with that?
Regards,
Jacob
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... Thanks for documenting one possible configuration for me. ..
You're welcome. Glad if it helps.
Regards,
Jacob
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JACO0B,
THANKS FOR CLARIFYING, AND SORRY IF I CAME ACROSS AS THE DEVIL I JUST DIDN'T GET IT. :o YOU DO BRING SOME PERTINENCE TO ALL OF THIS I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT AT THE TIME. THAT IS WHY I WENT TO BED.
LOL SAM
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He's actually got a pretty decent Idea for rotating the fields.
Thanks, Rich, but it's not my idea. It's just an obvious observation.
How much of what you post is pertinent?
This is for you to decide. As of now, everything that I have posted is very straighforward and as Tao would say: "100% in line with what SM has said'. :D I only made of few points, namely:
1. This things operates with naturally occurring waveforms. We're not talking about noise or irregular signals. Therefore, this energy wave must be sinusoidal.
2. It has to self start. Therefore, there is no room here for circuitry that would produce elaborate waveforms, spark gaps or anything of that nature. The only know circuit that can achieve that is a resonant LC circuit. If you know of any other way, please bring it forward as it will undoubtedly be very useful in the context of this thread.
3. It operates very much like a television deflection yoke. And if you feed two different frequencies into 2 LC circuits made in a similar manner as a deflection yoke, you get a rotating field plus you combine 2 different signals into a transformer like device that, according to SM, will produce the result we are looking for.
4. I have also stated that while the kicks can be observed in a circuit when applying a square wave (enabling or interrupting current flow is like a square wave), these kicks are in my OPINION the result of a transfert of energy between the energy wave we're trying to tap into and the conductor as it passes by the frequency associated with the phenomena, a square wave containing a multitude of frequency. Once again this is only a theory on my part. However I think it makes a lot of sense.
5. I have no idea for now what frequencies should be used. But whatever they are, they have to be consistent with what SM has said, that they are directly related to the diameter of the device.
Also, just so you know jacob, the magnetic fields tao talked about would NOT be perpendicular to the collector. It would be parallel to it, if the control wiring were perpendicular to the collector as magnetic fields expand off of a wire radially at right angles, which would line them up parallel with an inner coil that is run perpendicular to the wire being excited.
Yes, I realize that. This is why I posted these drawings. But once again, if the field was parallel, it would be entirely enclosed within the torroid and would not serve much of a purpose. Plus, it would be completely inconsistent with how a deflection yoke operates. I am sorry, but the deflection yoke is pivotal here. It has to be. Once again if you have an other theory to bring forward as to why these tv sets imploded, please do so.
Regards,
Jacob
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Hello Marco,
hi :)
so how come you talk like you know 4 sure how it works?
I don 't know all about it. I am just transposing in practical form what SM has said about the rotating field.
maybe you can post a diagram of the real thing.
Just did. Connect capacitors to the coils shown, make this circuit resonant at the correct frequencies (no idea what they are for now), feed back the output from the collector to these tuned circuits, then add some sort of control circuit to prevent the device from tuning in too precisely, and you're in business.
im a bit diffrent..... im just TESTING ALL possabillities to see what comes out cause when you know almost nothing you can do two things....
talk about what might happen in the device or go one and build stuff so you can actually see what happens.
that for me is the way to go.
sure there will be much failure but then again i learnd in a week more than ive learnd all those years on scool.
I agree entirely with your philosophy Marco. This is how discoveries are done. Keep it up!
you seem to have a good idea to the device so build it and bring it on.
I will, Marco. But it's not possible for now because of reasons you could not possibly imagine. In the meantime, I am just trying to contribute as best as I can
Regards,
Jacob
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JACO0B,
THANKS FOR CLARIFYING, AND SORRY IF I CAME ACROSS AS THE DEVIL I JUST DIDN'T GET IT. :o YOU DO BRING SOME PERTINENCE TO ALL OF THIS I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT AT THE TIME. THAT IS WHY I WENT TO BED.
LOL SAM
No offense Sam! :D
Regards,
Jacob
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The next step has definately taken place. It consists of haves and have nots. Those that have done and those have not.
A line has been drawn in the sand and 'Let those without Toroids cast the first stone'.
The most pertinent so far:
Tao release a diagram depicting the coil layouts.
Marcos has done an experiment that produced kicks from 2 frequencies. Great coil, guy!
CTGlabs now has done two experiments the produce sound. Has done an extreme amount of work!
CTGlabs has a biphase controller that is out of phase by 90 degrees.
giantkiller has 2 coils. It's me so I won't ponticate vainly.
giantkiller has a biphase controller that phase shifts harmonically by frequency and direction.
JDo300 built a coil. Another great step into producing something!
Otto built a coil but his image links did show on the post. Please put a pix in your avatar here?
And alot of postings about phased overlapping fields, kicks.
Also alot of flies in the ointment...
If I missed anybody, I apologize.
In my next post will explain better search techniques that far surpass this engines shortcomings.
There is nothing new under the sun...
http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/free_energy/moray2.html
Excerpt from that page, But read the whole thing for Moray was killed aslo:
It is generally accepted now by science, and Dr. Moray's device proves, THERE IS ENERGY COMING FROM SOMEWHERE, that the EARTH IS SURROUNDED BY SUCH A FIELD OF ENERGY. (see ZPE1 & TACHYON1 & TACHYON2 on KeelyNet)
This energy, or as Dr. Moray explained - these oscillations of Energy, are picked up by the device through the oscillators, or neutron bombardment.
As stated, these surgings or oscillations of Energy coming and going as the waves of the sea; are picked up by the Moray Device because the Moray Device is TUNED TO OSCILLATE IN HARMONY WITH THE OSCILLATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE. Every oscillation, whether large or small, is completed during the same interval of time.
The beat note of time, the heart beats of life, the oscillations of the Universe all prove the same great fact - that oscillations are all governed by the same cycle of time, completed during the same interval of time, and as I stated before, these waves of energy have a REGULAR BEAT NOTE of time, coming and going as the waves of the sea, but in a VERY DEFINITE MATHEMATICAL ORDER OF TIME, coming to the earth FROM EVERY DIRECTION with a regular BEAT NOTE that might be referred to as the Father of Time, the Sire of Gravitation.
(Note that Keely said that Gravity is Time, if one could control gravity, one could also CONTROL TIME.)
This energy has a DEFINITE ELASTIC RIGIDITY and DENSITY, which is subject to displacement and strains.
(Recall Keely's etheric vapor with various densities based on the order of vibration which was applied to disrupt water. Lower levels such as molecular yielded a taffy like substance, while higher levels such as atomic yielded a vapor or a gas and in its highest form, an electrical type current transmissible through a wire.)
When the strain is removed, this medium will spring to its old position AND BEYOND, surging back and forth as the waves of the sea, and will continue to oscillate until the original pressure is used up.
If the internal impedance is too great, there will be no oscillations, but it will merely slide back in a dead beat to its unrestrained state.
Cutting down the RESISTANCE TO THE MINIMUM and by SYNCHRONOUS ACTIONS of the device WITH the actions of the Universe, RECOVERY WILL BE QUICKER and quicker until inertia will assert itself and lengthen out the time of final recovery by carrying the RECOIL BEYOND THE NATURAL OSCILLATION and thus prolonging the vibrations by oscillation.
When the recovery is distinctly oscillatory AND HARMONICS SET IN, the oscillations will GO ON FOREVER because they are in tune with the oscillations of the Universe.
As I said, these electric oscillations ARE NOT SIMPLE OSCILLATIONS, but surgings with a DEFINITE BEAT NOTE of the evolution of matter and the evolution of energy.
It is not claimed that all of Dr. Moray's theories are proven, but it is claimed that the device works. The results are certain and that in the absence of better explanation as given in the 1931 edition of "Beyond the Light Rays," Dr. Moray's explanation is as good as any.
In explaining this theory in 1929 to a well-known and noted American Scientist, he remarked, "You go in your theory BACK of the Law of Gravitation."
We may readily take it for granted that a perpetual light, like perpetual motion, is an impossibility. I say that because I do not believe in perpetual light or motion, which, in a sense, is one and the same thing as getting something for nothing.
In this day and age it is not well to say anything is impossible, but getting something for nothing goes beyond my conception of thought.
What I have done in Radiant Energy has been and is perhaps righfully called "radical." Nevertheless, of the great number of learned men who have seen and heard of my work, not one has been able to disprove my claims, theories or discoveries.
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At the bottom of each Overunity webpage there is a tabs set.
We are going to focus on the Print tab.
Hit it. The process reads the whole Thread.
Then do a 'File save as'.
Choose a directory and let it work.
Do this everday with the same save name.
It saves the whole thread to your pc.
Go to explorer, find the saved file and click.
click anywhere in the doco and press ctrl-end.
press ctrl-f.
example enter post by:
click the 'up' direction radio selector.
And you will find what you are looking for quite easily.
Unfortunately there are no post page numbers.
And when you find the post you want, simply highlite some of the first paragraph of the text and go back over to Overunity and start a search using the magnifying glass with that and probably a 'by user:'.
Pick the meesage that matches the date time and click. Boom, you are there.
Now you can write a book.
Ta-da! 8)
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Also another great research instruct is:
Get another monitor for your pc. This is invaluable. Overunity on one, text search on another or another browser running.
With another graphic card under Win2k or XP just plug it in and goto to video settings and play with what works best.
I have a 19" and 17" monitor and now the navigation that I do is more towards where I need to go quickly than navigating through overlapping pages.
The bottom line is when someone reports something, don't lose your place. Just goto the other screen and do a search. It's up!
Ciao...
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but we have 3 collector coils and each has (in your setup) 4 segments.
it didnt take long for me to see that the control wiring was difficult to connect 4 segments on 3 coils.
Marco, we have 2 segments each made up of 2 coils. We can connect 1 collector coil on each one of these segments. That leaves us with 1 unused collector coil. Just what we need.
Regards,
Jacob
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The next step has definately taken place. It consists of haves and have nots. Those that have done and those have not.
A line has been drawn in the sand and 'Let those without Toroids cast the first stone'.
The most pertinent so far:
Tao release a diagram depicting the coil layouts.
Marcos has done an experiment that produced kicks from 2 frequencies. Great coil, guy!
CTGlabs now has done two experiments the produce sound. Has done an extreme amount of work!
CTGlabs has a biphase controller that is out of phase by 90 degrees.
giantkiller has 2 coils. It's me so I won't ponticate vainly.
giantkiller has a biphase controller that phase shifts harmonically by frequency and direction.
JDo300 built a coil. Another great step into producing something!
Otto built a coil but his image links did show on the post. Please put a pix in your avatar here?
And alot of postings about phased overlapping fields, kicks.
Also alot of flies in the ointment...
If I missed anybody, I apologize.
Hey, just wanted to help here. But I see that my contribution generates more scepticism than enthusiasm. Even antipathy it seems. Why that is, I have no idea. But I guess I will stay silent from now on. I'll still follow your work however because I am curious to know how long some of you can keep pushing away the evidence. Those who want to build a WORKING TPU will sooner or later have to reconsider.
I see all sorts of thing flying by. Some are even playing with concepts they don't understand. But the important thing is to ask: how does it fit in with what I have seen so far. And all theories about intricate methods to produce kicks that I have seen so far are:
1. Extremely vague
2. Don't fit with the notion of a passive device with no battery.
I am also an admirer of Nikola Tesla. He was a great genius! But all of you who seek answers to the TPU from his work should start by reading what is related to the TPU. In other words, READ what SM said about what in Tesla's work apply directly to the device. For instance:
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless.
He was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power.
You have to read stuff like that. It says "tune... and tap directly". All of you should know how a tuner works I guess. Strangely, it seems easier to make things more complicated than to simplify them.
You also have to read stuff like this:
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
Anyone who read those paragraphs and can't figure out the direction of the magnetic field related to the collector windings should read again... and again... and again.
In my first post, I said that if the current trend that seemed to develop keep on going forward, a working TPU could be build before the end of the year. Initially, I wanted to say "before the end of the month", but just decided to lower the objective not to frighten anyone. Well I must rephrase this: if the current trend continues and the evidence continues to be pushed aside, no TPU will ever be built.
Anyway, I was about to disclose my strategy for finding the frequencies needed. But hey, this may not be the proper time or even the proper place to do so.
God Bless!
Regards,
Jacob
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JACOB,
don't just run away because someone questions you idea! trust me it will happen in this thread. that doesn't mean that your idea's are not being considered. think of it as a learning experience. trust me i have already done the shuttinup, shuttinup theory. it only means that the forum doesn't have yoour input for that time. trust me there is something you can add!!
lol
sam
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Jacob,
You're a genius! You just exposed a very old electronics trick by mentioning that the TPUs worked without a power source or battery. If those labels are interpreted in the common everyday terms then that is true. Prestidigtation. But we used to charge up caps and then discharge them later on. So when SM throws a switch, why? we never see anytime before or the true runtime of any of the 'self-powered' devices. It is only reported. We actually never have proof?
And by all means if you have an idea but don't make it physically, draw it in paint and post it! Your ideas never put down die with you. I started documenting here after I started diatribing. Later I found that 'MY' ideas were resurfacing as other people writings. I thought plagerism bigtime. Not so. So I then started searching by topic and then 'other users' to see if 'I' was a 'johnny come lately'. In some instances yes, I was and still am. But I found out how the Overunity search engine doesn't work as well as any of us need it. This thread implementation does not have a true 'Repository' function, so things get lost. Too much webbing. That is why I mentioned the 'print to offline search' method. It has helped me greatly. In one of my first posts here I hailed the power of knowledge contained herein. I also requested more avatars of built devices. Notice I said built, not completed or perfect. It was like a call to arms and boom! More avatars of things done. Hey I don't walk on water half the time so my designs are always in limbo. It is called Unit testing and verification. Also SM said that 'There is no power source in these devices that could produce this kind of output. No shit!. That is a semantical play on words. Social engineering in it's final hour. One could put a n-cell nicad through a buck-boost circuit to up the power. When the cap charges it ceases drawing power and waits, excluding the leakage which is minimal. Then SM throws a switch, viola, things work. I mean look at the info trail. SM talks through an interpreter. the interpretor relays that to a group. Someone else in the group claims to figure it out but again is in the 'Closed club' and won't release info. That is just enough info to cause the pontificators and diatribers to theorize uselessly. While the doers have to scrap and claw in the darkness. This is the old 'All knowing, all seeing' eye in Lord of the rings concept. It has been overplayed throughout history. Who are the heros down through history that topple the false kingdoms. My abacus doesn't have enough beads. Joan of Arc, Martin Luther, Martin Luther King, Constantine, Davinci, Copernicus, Kepler, Lincoln, Jesus Christ, Braveheart, Karen Silkwood, need a clue? Engineers work on the premise that the answer can be found and that there are no failures.
Everybodies post have value. No I am not justifying my previous comments. But every so often I gotta light a fire under some butts. A number of posters have gotten bit here by what they say. Hey, I live for the fight. Because that is what makes the truth stand out. Nobody is wrong, It's all good.
Now I gotta get back to my controller building. Damn, that ticking clock is up my hide. Where's that monkey. I wanna shoot something! I bet some of you out there think I'm crazy? When the toroids sqeal, we'll see.
Take care, all.
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I will be writing my COMPLETE radiant energy theory, soon.....The way I REALLY think SM's devices work.
Hell, here is a sampler of the theory...(mind you, I am refining this..........)
Here are some terms, defined:
The segmented control coils around EACH of the 3 horizontal collector coils I shall refer to as the 'KICK coils'.
The 3 horizontal collector coils/wire of multistranded copper I will refer to as the 'collectors'.
The coil that surrounds all the other coils and spans the entire device I shall refer to as the 'feedback coil'.
Basically, there is a very sharp DC impulse applied to the KICK coils. This produces THREE THINGS, a B field that is parallel to the collectors, a B field that is contained IN the feedback coil, AND a 'radiant energy' 'apparent electron manifestation' on the collector coils(the more copper the more collected).
More later.................
Tao,
Going by the messages you received from SM, this should be the way to go. SM confirmed the use of radiant energy in them directly. None of the other theories takes that in account. Looking forward to your complete theory....
regards
Dutchy
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And another thing!...
In the last 125 post pages of the last 30 days, I have seen more posters, design ideas, designs, schematics, circuits, toriods, experiments, test results, qualified, quantified true findings and reports that at all other times in this thread!
Numerous posters have stated 'We are close!'. No how do ya think that happened?
We are a virtual team. There cannot be a single individual doing this. If so, they will be found and disappeared! We are results driven.
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Jacob, I don't think Giant Killer's post was intended say that what you have posted is not pertinent. Note, he left me off the list as well. He just focuses on the people that are actually winding coils, not the theorizers like you, I and Tao. I don't think he meant anything by excluding you or me.
Any antipathy you might be feeling is probably due to the fact that you have around 50 posts on this board, and have all the answers. You have a kind of brazen, "my way or the highway" approach to this, which is a bit offensive..
Like I said, there are opposing view points on how this thing works, I'm not saying that your ideas are bad... It may in fact be the answer. However I have read EVERY SINGLE POST ON THIS BOARD.... Compiled all the data that is pertinent that comes directly from SM and Mannix, and every single post where SM has said either your on the "right track", or "you've got it." The imploding TV is one post... And it's not a post that was intended to cause us to throw away all other precepts of the device.
We need to study what about a TV could cause it to implode(which we have done)... Cause it to go runaway.. And figure out what that is, and apply it to all the other principles.
Note that SM has NO ferrite cores in his device? Something that simple tells me that well there might be alot missing.
So, you read further, past that. You keep winding, and working and theorizing and talking to SM and Mannix, and you get to the point they hand you a coil design. That is the coil design we are working with here. Now, since the imploding TV is something that amazed and him, and brought him partially to the genesis of the TPU, don't you think the principles of that discovery would have been incorporated into that design?
Now does that mean the working with deflectors is useless? NOT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION. You are right it was foundational to his research, as was the transformers out of phase, and that "all kinds of things going on"
We can learn a lot from old TVs. But it's a CONVERGENCE OF TECHNOLOGIES... As I said before.
The KICKS, SM has said, are the key, many times, with frustration. That's what we are focusing on. Baby steps.
If you can build a TPU that functions by the end of the month, feel free. We would all applaud you.
Nobody is dismissing your work... Just don't dismiss ours. We've been working at this a long time and SM and Mannix have confirmed that we are on the right track.
Now, if you'd like to take your ball and go home.. That's too bad, there's a position on the team. But make no mistake about it, we WILL get this thing built with or without you.
Regards,
Rich.
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I sincerely apologize. In the future I will better temper myself and stay on task. :-[
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CONTACT
Have we had any direct contact with SM or is it all via Mr Mannix?
Cheers,
Dean
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CONTACT
Have we had any direct contact with SM or is it all via Mr Mannix?
Cheers,
Dean
For all we know Mannix IS SM.... However, we know absolutely nothing.. We work with what we have been given. I think Mannix is exactly who he say s he is. SM's friend, and protege. And no, SM has not spoken directly to us. He has given Lindsay messages for us.
If this is a reason however to question SM the validity of SM's messages to us, I ask this, why are we getting results exactly how he says we would, when we experiment exactly in the ways he has told us to? Anyone who has done the jumper cable experiment (which should be everyone here) has seen the kicks. The bottom line is, we have no real reason to doubt it. However, it is natural to question the validity of all this.
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rich,
i hve been thinkinking about what you wrote earlier. how can the magnet waves be perpindicular to the collecter coils, if the wires in the control coils have a current running through them?
do longitudinal electric forces also carry a magnetic field?
please answer with some site information.
lol
sam
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rich,
i hve been thinkinking about what you wrote earlier. how can the magnet waves be perpindicular to the collecter coils, if the wires in the control coils have a current running through them?
do longitudinal electric forces also carry a magnetic field?
please answer with some site information.
lol
sam
Edit: oops posted too early.
Think polarity and alignment. It has nothing to do with the radiant effect. In fact, the induction portion is not meant to be a distraction. The field will act how we design it to act.
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rich,
what?
lol
sam
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It seems quite clear to me that introducing the magnetic field is a random act that initialiases the cascade. The circuitry may have a random generator to keep the system imbalanced as described in the the information shared by marks. I mention this as those amongst us who have attemted magnet motor type inventions are very familiar with the locking of such systems due ( i believe) to the static nature of rotors and fixed position of magnets within the various systems. This is why i have tended to innovate in the proposals and prototypes I have created for the vortex magnet motor.
Just a little insight from the Mag Toy Boys.
Cheers,
Dean McGowan
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rich,
what?
lol
sam
Read this... It's a similar idea.
VERY SIMILAR...
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Capacitor%20start%20motor
Google is your friend.... ;)
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It seems quite clear to me that introducing the magnetic field is a random act that initialiases the cascade. The circuitry may have a random generator to keep the system imbalanced as described in the the information shared by marks. I mention this as those amongst us who have attemted magnet motor type inventions are very familiar with the locking of such systems due ( i believe) to the static nature of rotors and fixed position of magnets within the various systems. This is why i have tended to innovate in the proposals and prototypes I have created for the vortex magnet motor.
Just a little insight from the Mag Toy Boys.
Cheers,
Dean McGowan
Yeah, without some kind of magnetic shielding, or a way to mitigate the magnetic field itself, PMMs are pretty well doomed for failure.
Your assessment of the SM's device of a motor is pretty accurate. In actuality that's exactly what it is. With the collector wiring as the stator and the control wiring as the rotor. A frictionless one, ;) The constant imbalance is how it is switched and the frequencies being slightly off at all times..
See what I posted for sam above this post.
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Are you also suggesting that a capacitor may be a source of random spikes(kicks) within the system?
May be overkill and disruptive to the overall resonance though .. an overall wack to the side of the coke bottle as opposed to a gentle tapping as discussed in the video as inspiration to the convergent wave theory.
Happy to provide more detailed source material, I am just assuming that most people have watched the "Stan Deyo - Anti-Gravity, Free Energy and the Technology of the New World Order.gvi:"
I cannot get to it .. seems google have lost it :(
Cheers,
Dean
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rich,
what?
lol
sam
Read this... It's a similar idea.
VERY SIMILAR...
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Capacitor%20start%20motor
Google is your friend.... ;)
Here is the same thing with images and animations.
http://www.lmphotonics.com/single_phase_m.htm
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http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2826904256484692630&q=anti-gravity+duration%3Along
Re : television implosion and element yttrium
http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Y/key.html
See video at ~20 min
May be relevant to elements employed in the design.
Regards,
Dean
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note the frequency and revolving magnetic fields mentioned in the previous posted video.
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note also the six layers of opposing fields ... hmmm .. this is all sounding very familiar...
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That guy's a flippin nut job.
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That guy's a flippin nut job.
No doubt :D .. but i wonder what one of us would sound like talking about the devices we are working on ..
The design and all the issues we are dicussing sound almost exactly the same as what he describes however.
see: ~20 min mark of video. Maybe Steven Marks was inspired through some of this information.
I am not trying to convert the group into cosmic mode :-\ .. though I do think there is a lot of convergence with what is described by SM.
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Hehe, I have a hard time with the psionics, and all the spiritual technology crap. Cosmic mode, as you would call it. To me it's all just the evolution of the "new age" movement. Drives me nuts. The wierd thing is, his dad was awesome. Not a nut job at all.
I watched most of the movie, and yeah, I saw the stuff about the multilayered stuff, and the magnetic fields. To me it sounded like he was borrowing valid stuff from other sources to make his gobbeldygook more believable.
Don't get me wrong, he probably believes it. But don't expect these things to be cruising the skies anytime soon.
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I will be writing my COMPLETE radiant energy theory, soon.....The way I REALLY think SM's devices work.
Hell, here is a sampler of the theory...(mind you, I am refining this..........)
Here are some terms, defined:
The segmented control coils around EACH of the 3 horizontal collector coils I shall refer to as the 'KICK coils'.
The 3 horizontal collector coils/wire of multistranded copper I will refer to as the 'collectors'.
The coil that surrounds all the other coils and spans the entire device I shall refer to as the 'feedback coil'.
Basically, there is a very sharp DC impulse applied to the KICK coils. This produces THREE THINGS, a B field that is parallel to the collectors, a B field that is contained IN the feedback coil, AND a 'radiant energy' 'apparent electron manifestation' on the collector coils(the more copper the more collected).
More later.................
Tao,
Going by the messages you received from SM, this should be the way to go. SM confirmed the use of radiant energy in them directly. None of the other theories takes that in account. Looking forward to your complete theory....
regards
Dutchy
Hi,
Without HV discharges I dont see how radiant energy can be produced! Radiant Energy is difficult to measure and does not behave like electricity! Waiting to hear Taos theory!
Regards,
Dave.
It probably doesn't until it's in FULL operation.
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Guys,
I had an iron torroid laying around with a bifilar winding on it from something else I was doing.
I fed a different frequency to each one. You can actually hear a 3rd wave, I do not know how to describe it, but it actually sounds likes it speed up and wizzing around the torroid, I tried to record the sound, but its too high frequency for the mic I think. I tried a compass but the iron core contains the field. I know its sounds silly, but this wave speeds up, by istelf, you can clearly hear that (well the simulations told us it would), and you can hear it wizzing round, its quite amazing to experience. SM said it speeds up byself, if its same frequency out of phase it cannot and will not do this. So as he says in the video, Frequency1, then frequency2! It must be two frequencys and they will of course be out of phase anyway which will continually change.
I tried my original TPU but the single core windings must have broken inside as they appear to be open circuit. I must re-wind.
I also tried that segment coil I wound, no joy with anything on that.
Regards,
Dave.
Sounds promising Dave, Too bad there's a short in your old TPU. It would be interesting to see the field from that with a compass.
As to the second post regarding this experiment, Those spikes you show in the scope shots, what's the duration on them, and how close together do they occur? Is it just once per pulse?
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So, we can say Radiant energy is the answer. So based on what we know, how can it be generated in the TPU. We know fast rise times can do it and the spikes I saw today from mixing two frequencys were so fast my scope could hardly see them. Could these be enough/away to release this radiant pulse?
How to get these two frequencys going by themselves in the first place with no input? External noise to trigger two resonant circuits..?
Regards,
Dave.
Well, going by what Steven has given us so far I would say create many of the spikes you have seen. According to SM this load of littler spikes somehow have to be combined into on big spike (kick). Might it be that this big kick is enough to create a burst of radiant energy?
For now this is how I see the device, most likely, operating.
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Tao,
Take a look at the pic attatched.
Firstly we can clearly see bifilar windings as two colours of wire are seen on each coil. In other pics you can clearly see there are 4 such bifilar windings on the bottom ring. This can indicate the transistor with base and trigger coils as shown in my previous post, one triggering the next to create rotating field. Or each winding of the bifilar could have a different frequency and create rotating field that way, or they could counter rotate.
But we can clearly see on the top ring there is no coils, I think the top ring is just part of the "frame" of the device?
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
you are right,
there are only 2 or 4 coils in the lower ring,
none atthe top ring.
I think these are red copper coils with small diameter
copper wire and around it we have a secondary coil with only about 10 to 20
windings andmuch bigger diameter, which looks black in color.
So could it be the principle TAO has found in this patent to draw energy from
mutating the iron atoms to a different isotope ?
Where could one get this special ? iron material ?
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Hi Dave,
how did you get these small duration spikes exactly ?
How could you light a bulb with it already ?
2. Did you still try, if the coils being put upside down
generate less signals than the other way around in an open space with no metal
nearby ?
Many thanks.
P.S: I am a littlebit behind reading, cause I had other things to do,
will catch up soon.
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@gnostik
I was just checking out the videos that a friend referred, sometimes there are little nuggets in there. I am intrigued by the ideas, but certainly not a subscriber to the "Heavens Gate" mentality. Its a bit like being pregnant I think, you don't notice that there are a lot of pregnant people around until you are (or your partner is) pregnant, then all of a sudden it seems like everyone is.. lol and there is some kind of mad baby boom happening around you.
I really do think that we may have to consider the elemental or materails aspect once the general functioning of a device is achieved as I suspect that may play a role in the efficiency of the final product.
Cheers,
Dean
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I made reference to this in an earlier post when i described the coils as being connected in series. I think this is key to the resonance between the upper and lower coils.
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Wow It?s only been a few days since I was here and it took me a while to read all the posts since then. I like to hear about the team effort people are talking about. I haven?t been posting much because I am busy wrapping coils and testing. Today I think would be a good day to post my findings. Attached is pic of a 3*2*.5 ferrite core. 32g mag wire is wrapped the same direction starting at T and tapped at each quadrant giving 4 quadrants or 4 separate coils labeled A 1-4 on the attached pic # 2. 28g mag wire is wrapped opposite but in the same direction counter clockwise around the core. The resistance for each noted in pic 2. I then used my handy USB interface board to drive 4 transistors in a counterclockwise direction. The software I wrote allows me to change the RPM / switching times of the transistors which drives the 4 coils of the A* coils. The experiment was used to understand the electron flow in the wires and the magnetic interaction. This is a different set up that what Tesla uses, I am only using DC and no phase difference to try to rotate a field around the core. I found I could get the compass spinning around but only to a certain speed once my RPM increased over a certain point the compass was confused. As well the ferrite core makes a sound when you pulse it unlike a steel core. I assumed that this would happen do to the specifications of the ferrite core. Experiment #2 involved checking back EMF from A1. The back EMF with the following measurements were noted. 9volts source pulled 200ma through a transistor driven by a 555 timer with 95% off and 5% on pulse. 190ma was drawn off the coil with a diode to receive only the back EMP pulse. The scope, set to x-y mode shows a large back emf spike around 50 volts but little intensity. Intensity is amps. This clicking of the ferrite core was the next thing I wanted to inquire into so I created an amplifying circuit. The circuit uses a small pnp transistor to drive the amplifier a typical amplifier, the base will work when a negative or electron is sensed. I then pulsed the core and listened to see if the click was amplified and yes it was. This amplifier also picks up lots of dirt like the 60 Hz of the electricity flowing in my house, so annoying. One thing I did discover is that at a certain on time of the pulse, very fast, a back emf spike would be produced a few milliseconds after the pulse on A1 and could be herd in the amplifier. Anybody know why the delay in the backemf on the driver coil? My next experiment will be using a flat coil inside the core to see what kind of wave or magnetism is generated in the ferrite core and coils.
Camster
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To Dave,ctglabs:
probably you mean Charles (Karl) Steinmetz !
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dL
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@Kosh,
I read that post repeatedly and lost count. a magnet moving along the wire, which I assume is the length, causes no flux breakage. But the electrons in the wire still cause minute flux line breakage?
Or perpendicularly speaking, magnet speed across 1" = 1 unit and the same magnet speed across 12" = 12 units?
I am a EE and somewhow this goes against old knowledge.
Tnx, giantkiller.
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giantkiller,
please expain? or give it your best shot. are we talking about longitudinal electric transfer? if so, is there a 90 degree magnetic field associated with a longitudieal electric transfer? if there is a 90 degree magnetic field, in a longitudinal electric transfer i think we can get back to perpindicular to the collector coils! has anyone ever shown this?
lol
sam
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The experiement, I believe that is mentioned here, is dictated in the video: Evidence: The Case for NASA UFOs or
http://www.alienvideo.net/video-full-evidence-case-for-nasa-ufos.php (http://www.alienvideo.net/video-full-evidence-case-for-nasa-ufos.php)
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http://www.alienvideo.net/seti-makes-contact.php (http://www.alienvideo.net/seti-makes-contact.php)
The lines of flux run north and south of the planet but the shuttle orbits around the equator, perpendicular to those flux lines.
I.E. cutting across them. The engineers miscalculated the length of the teflon cable as there were photonic forces induced also, breaking and lighting up the cable. Is this the same directions of movement that Kosh is talking about?
Thx, giantkiller. :)
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Here:
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more
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even more
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http://www.altenergy-pro.com/device03-1.htm
I fired off mail to Donald Smith for the schematics. We will see.
"Cause I gotta get me one of these!"
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You won't get a reply.
He never does unless he knows you
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I attended one of the confrences that Don was susposed to speak at but he became very ill. At the conference I was fortunate enough to sit next to the inventor of the Calvin power wheel and he had done measurements on Don's equipment. He stated Don was measuring incorrectly and that no overunity was ever produced.
Rich
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tao,
holy cow! what else can i say after one reading? sounds like you've been busy, since vegas.
lol
sam
ps: shutinup, shutinup.
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tao,
i hate to ask it , but can a longitudinal transfer of electicity actually lets say run a motor? if so please explain how if it has no magnetic force, which would give it the mass to do so?
shuttinup, shuttinup.
sam
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Hi All,
I don't know if anyone has been successful yet, im actually working on torbays magnetic motor, if anyone is interested , head over to the magnet section at post 87. http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,933.430.html where I have a video on my setup.
Ive been also looking at Steven Marks videos again, and i think its easier than we think, the clue in his first video, is that he says he uses bailing wire, and this comment:- "its just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other".
Ive been thinking, and its something i will try, if no one has yet, Is use bailing wire and copper wire wound in different configurations, and placing a magnetic field around the two, perhaps theres an acceleration of the magnetic field and this causes an induction into copper wire, im just thinking real simple here, because his first prototypes dont have much in them.
What is making me more aware now than ever, is that if you ever placed two different metals in a solution, that being water or whatever, this will give you a voltage, and maybe his found out that placing a magnetic field near two different metals, like say copper and bailing wire, the same thing happens, this maybe the kicks his referring to.
check his first vid again, because maybe were barking up the wrong tree.
Mrd ;)
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Exactly, there's very little in his first prototypes, He also mentions in that its like a turbine jet engine, when he removes the magnet, it winds down slowly, and this come to think about it, might be the magnetic field which is slowly dieing down, I know this may sound like bullshit, but something tells me that its easier than we think, and were barking up the wrong tree. Again I think we should experiment the way he has his first prototypes made, as these you can clearly see two rings and werent taped up like the later ones that he shows.
I think thats where we should start, keep it simple stupid...KISS comes to mind, maybe he found this by accident, or it dawned upon him by researching other technologies....who knows for sure.
But its where Im going to head first off.
If you guys have made a start at his project and can make a jump by trying it, this would help me as well, since im stuck on another project, which im eager to finish.
Lets Help each other out.
Kindest Regards,
Mrd ;)
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tao,
i hate to ask it , but can a longitudinal transfer of electicity actually lets say run a motor? if so please explain how if it has no magnetic force, which would give it the mass to do so?
shuttinup, shuttinup.
sam
Dude, you need to do some research aside from this thread. Suggested reading topics, Heaviside Flow, JC Maxwell, Tesla, Edwin Gray, Floyd Sweet, Ed Leedskalning, TH Moray. That's a good start. By the time you read about edwin gray a bit you should have that question answered.
@Tao Nice work, I have read the first, but not the other two, yet.... It takes a while to assimilate this stuff into what we've already talked about.
Do you have a doc in which you've compiled all of the pertient info yet?
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Guys concentrate on these two, I snapped them in power dvd, the more you make sense of these images, the better will be to design.
From what i can tell look at the bailing wire, on the two rings of his first one, if you look at the bottom there seems to be two, half circumference
and on the top ring where he places the magnet on the coil, theres maybe 6 coils, which include the output.
Its the interaction between the way he has his coils setup, look how he has wound the bailing wire, it looks square or traingle configuration, pay particular attention to this. ive posted a few pics, if someone knows to enhance the images or enhance how the coils are done, i think were on the right track. I havent wound any coils yet so im not familiar with coil setup, i believe this small version is like the larger one he made, because if you look at the cutout of the larger one, it seems empty, so he has probably wound this same configuration around the cork like material.
Again concentrate on his first version, i think there is enough there to create it, if we can work out the way he has wound it, the copper winding ontop might be setup like a crystal radio setup, Ive been told you can make it with a coil.
bailing wire is the key and the way its wound, someone on this forum must be able to figure this out, ill try myself when it comes to it.
Cheers,
Mrd ;D
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Ponder this:
To start with you have two equally wound seperate coils. One is air core(#1) and one is iron core (#2). A desired freq, square wave is pumped into the air core and we get the kicks with the base freq. The magnetic field flies outward to the iron core coil #2 which gets saturated. On the #2 you would get the DC saturation with an dampened ac on top, no? Now just play with the turns ratio and coil spacing for increasing the output.
The dampened ac on the output could be harvested back through a feedback loop across a tuned tank circuit to trigger an input action into the #1 air coil. This creates a closed loop Tesla coil, No?
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K.I.S.S
I have been trying to politely say this all along, I have watched and read most everything that has been reffered over the years and it all keeps pointing straight back to the same basic design. I honestly think tao is on the money and when Paul Lowrance reveals his design we are going to once again see the same thing again.
Its all just going to come down to resonance and materials used in a very simple configuration.
Life was not meant to be as complicated as those that need to feel superior wish to make it.
Cheers,
Dean
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K.I.S.S.
I agree with some of the posters here that we need to step back from all the theorizing and outright guessing about how SM's TPU is built, based on some fuzzy videos .
I want to see someone succeed in building a working TPU as much as anyone, but the best place to start IMHO is the same circuit that SM started with,
a 5U4 power supply .
it's easy to build (no guesswork) and most of us can build one from memory & readily available parts, and even if you don't have a 5U4 on hand, then make one with 2 diodes an a resistor (it's where I would start if my lab was set up) :)
and then start playing around with the phase between the 2 output windings and look for the anomalies that SM was talking about, and go from there . :)
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
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@Kosh
You're right about the lateral resistance. That is because the center of the toriodial field is in the center. With harmonic overlapping of 2 counter-rotating magnetic fields I will be able to vary the field strength to push the center off to one side. This will give an imbalance and the toroid will easy go towards the side of least resistance. Much like the image of a sideways teardrop until re-centering is gained. The magnetic bubble off balance has been proven in physics. I saw it some years ago in another study when I was following the building and construction of the Tokamak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak)
And that is area of toriodial operation I am aiming for with the controller I am building. I did post the schematic at time back, post page 211. The step after I run my coil is to focus on making a bigger one that is flame retardant. I plan on smoking the one in my avatar.
Big field, big fun. ;)
Later.
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mr video,
why can't someone computer enhance the steven marks videos? is just because they were shot in the ninties useing whatlooked to be sixties 8mm? that is with no lighting enhancements.
lol
sam
ps:what is my reading list for tomorrow , rich? i will guarantee it will not just be here.
have you got some more old theoritical stuff that no one else has figured out except you and them? come on this is the computer age lets bring it on-line!
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Alright, wish I had more time, overlooked, listen carefully, failing because you don't know how to read.
Said in pertinent posts, posted (output perpendicular to many wires), first clue on this, Posted (if you draw a magnet the lenth of a wire) or the lenth of many.
Make detailed notes on everything said and compare notes, Steven is not trying to teach you to understand the Moray device or any other than his own. I have coiled wire both laterally and longitudely around my coil.
I have changed my configuration of number of coils on the toroid because of math problems, I have not however abandoned Steven's theories set forth. Imagine a rotating magnetic force traveling though wires wraped so the force cuts lenthwise.
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Tao,
Im reading you, great information :D
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Well said Gentlemen!
My current status is:
Controler Current status:
Sockets in place, wiring in place, cable terminals in place.
Items in need are the 556 timer parts in place, plug in chips.
Have 12 amp power supply just waiting to go.
Events taking place:
(8) Buz11s, (8) IRF840s (Thanks for the driver circuit, Marco) are coming in the mail. Will build the driver board next.
Coil ready to plug in and jumpered correctly.
I think faster than I work... My goal is: A ferrite core, 2 intertwined coils 1:1, counterrotating fields, hi/low speed.
But the current posts here about the Marco & CTGlabs results are fantastic!
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Yes.
Believe it or not I have 25 year old 20mhz single trace, xy channel Heathkit scope I built.
Through Steve Ciarcia of Byte magazine http://www.circuitcellar.com/ (http://www.circuitcellar.com/)I was able to turn it into a 8/16 trace digital scope(TTL only). I have the circuit and schemetic that I'll post later.
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I had it upto 16 traces once on a very complex project. It was like watching bad tv.
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marcos,
if you are going to rewind coils why not rewrap them on something else that makes alot of since,mathematics? you might want to try and wind some coils along the lines of rodins coil. at least as far as his theory is concerned back a few years back it seems to make since to alot of people.
i am reluctant to post a website to his but you might want to google mark rodin mathmatics. don't worry if your not a math genius i think it looks like he was. at least in his time.
lol
sam
ps: just another theory in the right direction.
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GIVE attention to test voltages from NON Sinus (or DC) Sources.
http://www.padrak.com/ine/DANGERSPOWER.html
Best
Pese
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hey rich,
where did you go? are you still stuck back in leedskalning, and moray? what is the reading list for tomorrow?
lol
sam
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A big congratulations is deserved here, posters!
In 30 days, we have doubled in posts!
Hp hip hurray, hip hip hurray!
All for one and one for all!
And may we press on into the void...unrelentingly, despite all.
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giantkiller,
YES!!!
WE must, for the common good as well as for our own. if there is anything we can learn from the past century, it is the fact, that only by helping our fellow man can we hope to advance as a civilization. otherwise is an eternal competition.
not that being the best is something to avoid;but to strive for! like all great endeavers sriving for something that someone else does not have will cause strife, but a healthy competition is the most efficient way for humans to learn.
THINK
STRIVE
LEARN
LOL
sam
ps: think, strive, learn-----5,6,5 there are those numbers again!
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hey rich,
where did you go? are you still stuck back in leedskalning, and moray? what is the reading list for tomorrow?
lol
sam
fun with dick and jane?
green eggs and ham?
take your pick. Way to take it in the right spirit by the way. :-\
I've just been reading by the way, keeping up on what's going on. Thanks for the concern.
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EXACTLY GIANTKILLER,
NOW THAT IS A GOOD COMPETITION!!!
who loses? NOBODY! ;) THERE IS NO LOSER IN A COMPETITION LIKE THIS!!!
can you see what i mean? this is a competion between each other, against a formidable task. there is no glory in winning such a task, against another human , only in winning the task for HUMANITY!!!
lol
sam
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DAMN,
maybe i should have been a politician.
lol
sam
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"Tgiantkiller,
before you ramp up, maybe you should slow down and look at the reprcussions of such activity. can we find out the why? take a walk around "the web" see if something else pops into YOUR MIND. i think that there is alot of stuff out there.
i think everyone should!
i have myself. that is what " I do during shutinup, shutinup.", but not only that actually go to a university library and look up some of this old stuff. cross check, then you will KNOW if something is amiss!
trust me just because someone puts something into a hundred year old book, doesn't make it anymore a fact than several people putting ideas on the internet in realtime! YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT ALL WITH A GRAIN OF SALT!
THINK!
lol
sam
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tao,
i can't wait to see your theory on this as well. i hope it contains some new mathematical theories as well! if not that can be worked out.
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i think we are still in the realm of theoretics at this time. however, MARCOS, HAS hit on some interesting anomolies! think about this and the "trianary relativity theory"? isn't that interesting? have a long clear think on that one.
lol
sam
ps: can't wait to see your completed theory. don't worry i will not make a public comment on it for, lets say at least six months.
lol
sam
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Variable magnetic fields and variable power. The stuff that life is made of.
Tesla mentioned it, Hutchison is doing it, Steven Mark has done it, We can see huge magnetic field effects in the movie 'Philadelphia experiment', and we are going to do it! You naysaysers stay away! I know what I see and I know where this is going. If none have seen the the hutchison effect http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html (http://www.americanantigravity.com/hutchison.html)then get your asses over there of look! If you dont', you strive in vain. He uses the common Tesla coil. I know I mentioned this before, but I am going to drill this home. There is no theory when you see a canon ball levitate or metals disinegrate or things just jump around. He is doing it! And it is simple. I believe he doesn't understand the control part. And that is where we come in!
The clearer you see your dreams, the clearer your waking moments become. And this is the stuff dreams are made of.
I mean, think of it. Here we are gathered from our own spaces with our own knowledge, in place for such a time as this.
The next great frontier bekons us. The mechanical efforts to create Overunity have failed miserably, right? What's left?
@Marco & Dave(CTGlabs)
When I get my controller up I have my own tests to do and these come from my perceptions. So I am asking for input from you for mods from your views. I plan to upgrade my configuration plans that I posted with coil jump connections from the different combinations that are possible after that I consider my efforts like an open-source project. Valid submissions will be tried. I will document the coil jumps much like the previous coil pix, on pag 268 from Jacob. But I have 8 and 1 coils! and I want to add more coils. I am able to gang more controllers together for a totally concerted harmonic drive. The SM coils are the magnetic equivalent of the Hamel disks. I'm tellin' ya guys, 'we are so close!' 8)
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Tesla has stated that at a certain discharge rate he could feel the radiant discharge as stinging feeling. He stood behind glass and he could feel this stinging just the same, it was not reduced in anyway. So it is able to travel through materials easily. It cannot be ejection of electrons and not at 20 feet away behind glass. If anything this would be Beta radiation>! And this can be stopped with paper.
Regards,
Dave.
I have been thinking about this whole phenomenon. The shockwave that could not be stopped and created a stinging sensation across the entire front of Nikola's body. First, the slower the switching time of the pulses he used the more unpleasant the results according to vassilatos's book (secrets of cold war technology) If you don't have this book, get it. If the "make-break" rate exceeded 100 microseconds(uS) there was pain and mechanical pressure.
There was also associated with the this specific field a motive force which moved objects in the room, and this was the rate at which he vaporized thin copper wires.
He noticed other effects at higher switching rates. Corona discharges changed colors. According to vassilatos's research pain and physical movement of objects ceased above the 100 uS range.
This is obviously the range at which his death ray worked, the tubes used were no doubt simple wave guides. Currently the US Air force is tinkering with "non lethal crowd control devices" that use "HF and LF" pulses. This is suposedly RF energy that they use. Supposedly the HF can only penetrate the skin and creates a "stinging sensation" but the LF can explode bone. globalsecurity.org has this info I believe. I wonder if it's really RF energy???????
With pulses of 1 uS STRONG PHYSIOLOGICAL HEAT was sensed. Shorter pulses created room filling
light, shorter yet produced cool breezes in the room(cold electricity?).
At any rate, I just wanted to reiterate how important the switching speed was. This is info directly given to us by SM/Mannix. More info here(excerpts of what I was talking about):
http://www.borderlands.com/vassilatosandtesla.htm
Heres the info from globalsecurity if your interested. Just above the section, "weapons for machinery."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/1997/suhajd~1.htm
http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200411/msg00271.html <-- more on mil weapons.
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RICH,
WHERE ARE YOU RUSSIA? no offence.
thier is nobody even close. i continue to hope there will be one day.
have you taken a look at the magnet motors site? maybe, if you want the next technology, and don't have time to wait on the NUMBER 1 TECH, this will be good enough.
don't get me wrong. the new permanent magnetic motors coming out are going to , ROCK YOUR SOCKS!!!! but you haven't seen anything yet.
wait till you see the next generation of, high tech generators that don't need you to pay for input! wouldn't that be nice? well get this they are closer than you think.
what if i told you there was already someone who had one? what you do to get your hands on it? another question might be be what would they do to get thier hands on it before you? a, very good question. especially because it has been asked for over 100 years!!!!
think about that for a few minutes and then google!!!!
lol
sam
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rich.
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so at one third of the velocity of light, nickol tesla, felt pain? was it a sunburn, or what ?
LOL
SAM
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Test Matrix
This forum would benifit incredibly by hosting a test matrix that has a list of all the components and configurations described in a matrix that shows results that will clearly define what has been tried and what has not. It is getting too hard to see the forest for the trees dont you think?
I am a DB/Software programmer so I would be happy to configure a DB driven solution towards solving this Issue if someone (highly knowledgable in electronics) would like to help me with the design requirements.
I get the feeling that if a Multi Dimensional matrice was visualised it may lead us more quickly to a final solution.
Who's gonna put there hand up for this?
Cheers,
Dean
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dean,
see if you can get in touch with "mr video" , i don't know if i spelled that correctly, because i ususally have someone else or a computer do it for me. i think he might have the ability to not only bring your other project with"magnet motors" TO FRUITION", but also might help us in this project as well.
dean,
there is no point in romancing this conection!!! if you do you will probably get turned way at the door.
THINK,
sam
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dean,
see if you can get in touch with "mr video" , i don't know if i spelled that correctly, because i ususally have someone else or a computer do it for me. i think he might have the ability to not only bring your other project with"magnet motors" TO FRUITION", but also might help us in this project as well.
??? don't look at me dude :D
I'm just a spectator here (for now)
and I hope you were just joking about enhancing the SM videos, because they will never be much better than they are now, and wether the videos are clear or not, that wasn't the point I was trying to make anyway .
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Hi all,
Just recieved this.
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
December 1, 1995
Dear Steven,
Thank you for dinner the other night. I truly enjoyed the experience and the ride home together. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
When you get to be my age Stephen you have learned how not to ruffle feathers. If I were in your shoes I would do exactly what we discussed.
I have talked to my associate about the problems as you see it involving the heat created by your unit when generating power. He is willing to assist us in finding a solution and he does not feel it is an insurmountable problem.
The current involved no matter how slight must be a contributing factor, regardless. We must first consider all the working principles and decide how to go about solving the problem.
I look forward to seeing you and your unit at my laboratory around eight thirty on Saturday morning.
I will have only one observer and we will be otherwise alone.
I promise you that we will give an honest evaluation of everything we observe and will attest to what we find.
If you need to talk to me first you may leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
Sincerely,
Roland
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and this.................................
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Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
Second report on Energy Device
At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device “toroid†at my laboratory at the UCI campus.
With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will operate his device for the tests.
The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals.
Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination of two units.
The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72†across with an inside diameter hole of 3†making a core width approximately 1†thick
The unit was exactly 2†tall, resembling a “Toroidâ€ÂÂ. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*
I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS).
We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS).
We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore 12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent light powered by the laboratory main power supply system.
The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit.
The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about connecting the second bulb along with the first.
The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as brightly as the first.
I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled and the impedance halved (ObS).
I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS).
The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours, if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over.
We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing.
The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15†at the outside and 13 “ inside with a core thickness of approximately 1â€ÂÂ. The unit was 4†tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was 9:39 AM.
The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several amperes.
He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself. The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These bulbs were wired in series.
I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS).
The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity.
I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS). I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts.
I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, “by no way.â€ÂÂ
He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.
With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.
The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).
The inventor’s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question.
The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up.
I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.
The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes. Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS).
The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period.
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation.
It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes.
Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS).
The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit while in operation.
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because of our limited time available for testing.
I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential for this Toroid technology.
December 12, 1995 Roland Schinzinger
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Hey Tao
have a look here: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/device.htm
Aerial Power Tap Experiment
courtesy of Terry Berger
Mike
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Hello all,
tao
I?m looking at your pictures and the second reminds me on my TPU!
Today I?ll try to close one of the collector coils so I?ll have one closed ring and the coils (two of them) around the ring will be pulsed. I think it will be interesting to see what will happen.
Regards
Otto
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Thanks Mannix, good information there, seems the device may be even more powerful than we expected. No upper limit to their operation has been discovered, at least in the tests we have seen! Voltage stayed the same, and current ROSE under progressively larger loads. That is AMAZING.
Thanks for that post mate... Keep it up.
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Things are really heating up here. Last night I was doing some testing with my ferrite core see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13486.html#msg13486 post for the description of the core setup. I connected A1 to negative and then skipped A2 continued the negative through A3 and A4 at the end of A4 I connected the positive. I connected my listing device to B3 to listen to the signal in the secondary coil. I pulsed the negative on A1 with a 555 driving an npn transistor. I noticed at certain frequencies I could hear something slowing down. Like a hum when it seem to stop moving I got the best measurements. This is what I got: The circuit was using 10ma to drive the coil on the core I connected the A2 coil to the amp meter through a diode --|>--, the amp meter showed 29ma. When I connected the amp meter to A2 the sound changed, became sharper. Now I connected a 6v 75ma light in between the positive driving A1-A4 and I also connected a 6v 75ma light to the A2 coil. The light on A2 lit about half brightness and the light between the driver did not light at all. I then placed a resistor in place of the driver light and also placed a resistor of the same on the A2 coil. The driving resistor showed 1.2 volts across the resistor but the second resistor on A2 only showed .8 volts. Thus looks like I am still using more watts to drive the circuit than I am getting out :(. What surprised me was that all my BEMF tests have never shown a 3x gain in ma, nor have I seen a 3x gain in ma when using 2 coils wrapped on a ferrite rod. Keep on keeping on folks.
C0mster
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hi comster ,
did you calculate any resonance in your setup?
Marco
I did not calculate any resonant frequency while I was watching the scopes. If you like I can take some scope shots tonight. The ferrite core (inductance), npn transistor (capacitance) values I haven?t calculated. It?s hard to explain in text why I use the speaker. I can hear the point at which it resonates. Like a mechanic that can hear a loose valve spring rattle when a motor is running you can also here where the resonant frequency is. Now I may be wrong about this and perhaps some math to prove the theory is needed but if you build the amplifier and play with many different tank circuits and coils you will hear the difference within the noise. For any one who loves math here are the specs. Ferrite core: http://www.cwsbytemark.com/prices/toroidal.php F337J, Transistor NPN 2n3055. Supply 9V rechargeable battery. I did not find the capacitive value of the npn. The core is rapped with 32gauge mag wire only one layer. The resistance is listed in my prior post for each segment.
C0mster
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Sorry to drop this in as I will be the one to hate for a bit.. GK needs a target. Also, take this in the right light.
Has someone posted a CLEAR detailed how to make/wrap the coils that work (or seems to be close)? Everyone has coils made that are offering infomation on their projects. Maybe a link to what they are doing (not others site)? Does anyone agree on a coil type, wraps, guage, core, etc. I see the one type most think are it, but that is just the type of coil. And the video looks like this is the one SM is using?
What to wrap them on (or what seems to be close)? What shape (OK we have the shape)?
How to arrange them? How to connect them? What to drive them with?
I am reading everyday and feel like I have a couple hours a night I am not using. I can do the driving part (not expert in the other areas). But with no coils and arrangement it means nothing. And I have scopes and meters (way too many). But some people are not up on what others are. Maybe more detail will get more people in the project.
I see people argue about direction, etc.
If you are close (in what you think is is right), share more detailed information. If you are not close, share more information.
It looks like everyone is running in different directions and never totally agree. And from a very old looking video.
Tao looks like the winner from where I sit. I would like to get my hands in it, but I would need coil info and arrangement.
No hate Mramos, is that Mr. Amos? or M. Ramos? You are correct, we don't have the exact coil set up nailed down yet. We haven't even tested all of the theories that we have bout the coil arrangements. It's rather frustrating I bet being someone who wants to work on the drive circuitry and not having any coils to work with.
The specifics we do know about the coil (as far as I understand it are attached... corrections are welcome folks), I decided on this route as opposed to trying to explain it, as it just got too complicated, the more I went on. This is a visio drawing, so I have the vsd if anyone has visio and would like to modify it.
Hope this helps mramos, the more the merrier.
BTW if you have any extra equipment laying around and wouldn't mind getting rid of it for a song, let me know... ;)
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I will get some scope shots tonight and post them or all to analyze.
C
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I see people argue about direction, etc.
If you are close (in what you think is is right), share more detailed information. If you are not close, share more information.
Hi,
I created a yahoogroups site for us all to share information on, where pics, diagrams and data can be freeley uploaded by anyone and easily accessed without searching pages of thread.
Also I will create a page dedicated to this on my website where I will store all my experiments, readings, etc and make it all as clear as possible.
Regards,
Dave.
I also have a website with forums, blogs, image sharing/uploading etc. Rather like yahoo groups but a bit less clunky if anyone would be interested in starting up some stuff over there. It's pretty bare right now, and needs people to populate it with info etc. anyway. You will need accounts though. Also I'm looking for people to upload info and keep the site popping, as I don't have time. I tried this once before but it was too buggy. Most bugs are worked out now however. :)
www.gn0sis.com
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There are 4 ways of creating power.
1:) breaking lines of flux (explosive)
2:) when the flux lines snap back together. (explosive)
3:) compressing lines of flux (implosion)
4:) relaxing the flux compression (implosion)
If you have an 'antennae' per say, you can pick up the bursts of energy from the magnetic area of this huge power pontential and the law of power loss happens when the potential diminishes downward through the frequency spectrum. There are so many flucutations of energy across a large breath of our spectrum range, the magnetic range and above. And I am willing to bet the the largest noticablilty would be above the magnetic range. Like some kind of ultra lightning. Also, maybe that explains the 7.8/7.4 hz window. This is the easiest place for our devices (copper) to interact with the decaying freqs of the compression/relaxation cycles of the generated toroid fields? :o
Such joy cannot be found except in the truth.
Y'all have fun with this one... K.I.S.S. 8)
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Finer tuning on the LC trap circuit with a diode path after. This will catch the kicks and not let them escape. With the Dc gone the device should run cooler than above the DC potential? ;)
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I hate to be the party pooper, but...
All of his devices were started inside near 50/60hz sources. A veritable flood of energy. Maybe this is good after all, the automobile starter is just used at the beginning of the trip. 8)
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Marco makes a good point. A resonant circuit for 7.8Hz is going to require a very very large coil of many henrys and large capacitor. More than is present in the SM device.
Logically though it is likely the 7.8Hz is the product of something, ie rather than he purposely generates 7.8Hz. It is the result of some interaction with this natural waves. 7.8Hz is too precise a figure otherwise and I guess we are coming back to Tesla MT!
But it is possible to wire a telsa coil in reverse and extra energy from the air in this mannor as our friend posted earlier - http://www.keelynet.com/energy/device.htm
Waiting for Taos post!
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
Remember the sum/difference of signal mixing
try a 5khz mxed with a difference signal of 5.007.8khz. Those signals are far more achivable than the 7.8 directly.
Carl
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Perhaps the coils are detuned 7.8hz so the overall rotation of the magnetic field is that. The primary frequencies have to be much higher than that. Remember there are octaves of the 7.8hz schumann into the KHz range.
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Would this be enough milliheneries?
The white centers are PVC. Coils are air core. The coil spools just slide on and are connected together.
The gold centers are the 3 inner coils. I will use 1/2 copper pipe. This gives me twice the electron flow surface area.
The bronze cans are prewound coils interconnected center wire to outer wire. These constitute the inner containment windings for field compression.
The Green cans are prewound coils interconnected center wire to outer wire. This could be 12 gauge romex.These constitute the outter containment windings for field compression. These coils are wired in series per layer and in parallel by layer or the other way.
I connect all corresponding corners together and power this just like the SM devices. The idea here is I will not have to wind any coils. This give me an expediant production model. I can make this any size.
Totally atomic, dudes!
@Marco: I can wire this like yours.
Any comments?
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Does anyone see any changes that need to be made to the coil diagram that I posted?
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Take a look at the last couple of frames of this video and be amazed ...
www.mullerpower.com/video/bearing.ram?PHPSESSID=b47a86b23d43b03431cb8b586d4b5816
Is this a SM coil I behold ????
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here is a framegrab of that .
(http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/tvf.arg/joseph01/xine_snapshot-1.png)
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http://www.mullerpower.com/Articles/petermann/PMArticle1.php
here is another thing that has been scratching around in the back of my mind too .. the black sand cores....
I remember also seeing a video on google where an MIT or such reputable institute (lady scientist) was giving a lecture on new magnetic switching for transistors that incorporated the use of this substance (black sand) that is a byproduct of the mining of gold (not sure what the process is .. but it was plentiful an cheap)
Apparently you can just mix it with a glue or other compound to create it in any shape you desire.
THe properties of this is that it induces a magnetic field and releases the field very quickly. May be relevant to your fast rise and decay times.
And also that it would be easy to saw through as seen in SM video ...
HMMMM .. food for thought folks
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so what do you think folks .. is this the missing link .. BM ---> SM maybe ??
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Thanks Mr Video, I was just trying to do that myself... good work mate
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no problem, dean :D
it could be just a single coil or an electromagnet, but who knows ???
if we got to see what he was going to do with it, then we would know exactly what it is :)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDZnNF--9Rg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKo07059Ga0&NR
here is some of the stan deyo vid i was referring to .. cant seem to find the whole thing anymore
check out the coils in the second video here .. very interesting too ..
Couple of screen grabs mr video please :D
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The thing is with the Mueller vids and information you never see it shown anywhere else and it looks a hell of a lot like the SM coil
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here ya go :)
I hope this is what you were referring to.
(http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/tvf.arg/joseph01/xine_snapshot-1a.png)
(http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/tvf.arg/joseph01/xine_snapshot-2a.png)
(http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/tvf.arg/joseph01/xine_snapshot-3a.png)
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You are the video master !!!
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(http://www.mydatabus.com/2z/tvf.arg/joseph01/biggrin.gif)
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If anyone can source the complete vid, i do remember he goes on to explain that this configuration also taps energy and seems to have the same effects as the SM device in terms of pertubations when moving it.
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here is a diagram & discription of the deyo coil that goes with the screen grabs I posted .
this does create a spinning magnetic field & has an air core .
www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Stan-Deyo-Antigravity-2005.pdf (http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Stan-Deyo-Antigravity-2005.pdf)
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so this means that we must transmit around the 7.8 Hz specially phased in order to recieve.
maybe thats why the voltage fluctates because its not steady but lightning in random order sometimes more sometimes less.
so the source isnt exactly "clean" also.
the only thing we then can do is send a signal out to see what it will give back.
@dave
dont you have some diagram of a transmitter in that range lying around?
greets marco
Hi folks, I?ve been reading this thread with great interest, and I have a basic question to ask,
marco, gnostik and many others have been mentioning a universal fundamental geofrequency of 7.4 to 7.8 Hz as the possible base driving excitation for the system.
The question is:
Shouldn?t the system be designed to resonate at that frequency?
I looked up some of the old dusty books for circuit frequencies,
f(Hz)=1/[2*pi*sqrt(LC)]
L in H
C in F
If it?s toroid shaped coil with no outside capacitor but suing the self capacitance equations for toroids
C= 0.29*L+0.41*R+1.94*sqrt[(R^3)/L]
C = self capacitance in picofarads
R = radius of coil in inches
L = length of coil in inches
Also more found here along with wire sizes aspect rations etc.
http://alumnos.elo.utfsm.cl/~bikers/TCC.html
shouldn?t the toroid be manufactured so it fundamentally resonates at 7.4 to 7.8 Hz
Also for the approx inductance for a toroid the plugins are here
Approximate Inductance of a Toroid
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indtor.html
Wouldn't solving the equations for materials, length, wire gage and toriod physical size a coiler should be able to get to the required frequency(s)?
I apologize in advance if this is way of base as I?m more into mechanics than electronics but I recall the scenarios in mechanical systems involving driver system and driven system frequencies fundamental/resonant and energy transfers along those lines for maximizing or minimizing energy transfer. From the driving system (in the case the earth field oscillator) to the driven system (this case an SM or any similar system)
Great thread both in cooperative and individual effort. Thanks
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tao,
it appears to me both directions. what is wrong with that. steven did say that current could flow both ways at once. but it does look like a collision and or maybe some kicks are going to happen. what do you think? it looks like you would have something interesting happening with different frequencies, and different directions of magneticfields. can't wait to see how you are going to tune these two frequencies to resonate.
lol
sam
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To All
I have put together a list of videos of my experiments tonight. http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/index.html. Sorry they are individual movies I didn?t have the time to put it all together with a movie editor. If you watch the movies in order you can follow the tests. I think you will find the results interesting.
C0mster
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It is said : "The skeptics might say that the above-determined violations of the energy conservation are valid only locally for that small volume....
Therefore while gaining excess of energy in some places, we would loose the same amount at other places, and if the total energy balance were calculated for the whole space, then the law of energy preservation would remain valid. This explanation is however wrong and it can be disproved easily with careful and exact calculations even for practical cases, as Mr. Vajda has done it in his study."
How could it be disproved ? I didn't read any convincing argument. Any amateur radio operator knows that several EM sources create interferences in space. Waves add in some places and destroyed each other elsewhere, depending on the distances between the target and each source.
For example the waves from two equal synchronized sources add when the difference between the distances from the target to each source is a even number of half wave lengths, and substract when it is an odd number.
This principle is used by all directional antennas, even those with only one source connected to the transmitter such as Yagi antennas but where many reflecting or diffracting elements act as secondary sources. The result is that the radiated energy is concentrated in some places of space giving illusion of an energy gain when comparing to an isotropic source: in fact the radiated energy we can tap in whole space is the same.
Fran?ois
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To All
I have put together a list of videos of my experiments tonight. http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/index.html. Sorry they are individual movies I didn?t have the time to put it all together with a movie editor. If you watch the movies in order you can follow the tests. I think you will find the results interesting.
C0mster
hi cOmster :)
nice videos 8)
Thanks Marco
Here again are the results across the 33ohm resistors: Input side .21V * .006 Amps = .00126 watts. Output side: .50v * .0149A = .00745 Watts. Pulse is 10 % on time 90% off at 3.57KHz. My next challenge is to develop a circuit to take the .00619 gain in wattage and replace it back into the driver. I should be able then to replace the driver battery with a capacitor, charge the cap, turn on the unit and have the cap never run down. Perhaps the kicks being referred to are the BEMF spikes produced in the driver coil.
To infinity and beyond.
C0mster
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We should do the experiment SM suggested. A 5U4 rectifier with separated transformers and some phase control.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the heater transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
tao,
is this the tree you are barking up? so what is wrong with having the magnetic fields going in different direction inside the colector coil? it looks to me like your setup could do this with the right tuning. or do think it is enough to have the fields just traveling around in different directions in the collector coil, slightly out of phase, to make the kicks?
lol
sam
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I don't think this a postulate or theory.
Just read...
Prior posts referenced are the Freak wave video and the Coke and speaker demo.
The gentleman with the coke and speaker demo talked about the sun emminating waves that go out and comeback. Nothing new. When returning, these collide with another outgoing set and the collision thats are the most in sync polarity wise create orbits where obviously balanced matter would sit. SM said the tuning had to do the coil's circumference. Could this antennae be right at a tuned Freak wave conjunction? I think so. The ham radio people would have to agree based on the fact that part of the reception tuning is an antennae of a certain mass, length equaling surface area. ;)
The freqs used were 7.4 and 7.8 the diff is 400hz. I just put that out there. Hadn't seen that number relayed yet. 8)
So I would then think that the collector is tuned to 400 hz while the two generated input freqs create the freak wave or harmonic collision at the coil's circumference. Where , lo and behold, there just happens to be an antennae sitting! 8)
Hey, SM said it was simple. :o
Challenge me or call me wrong....
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Repost:
That would .4 hz.
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@Marco
And that is exactly what I am here for friend... ;)
If you gander through all my previous posts, I have always diatribed the most simplest of explanations about current past work, current work and the applications that are just ahead of us.
@thank you comster for documenting what you have done. The setup you have is exactly what I have. I use bigger copper therefore I need more power and the steps with small copper are getting all of us in the right direction.
SMxx is interesting in that he uses big copper with small power. I need this stage for my next steps. The only thing I have to contend with is getting fire retardant insulated wire. Or loose turns so they don't touch. But that makes a bigger device. Could be useful.
--giantkiller
I slay giants..
Anybody up for lunch at the 'Sea of Galilea' restaurant? ;)
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@Kosh
Very good. In the SM17, he runs a tv and you can see a picture. It doesn't matter what the grid freq is 50/60. To run a tv you need AC. The light and probably the drill could run of of DC. ?But the coils vibrate and that denotes a base freq or strong harmonics of some type. If he can get strong harmonics from hash then he truly has done a miracle. And besides, have we seen the hash measurements? More symantics, just like the 'There is no power source that can produce this kind of output.' Once again, true. But that doesn't mean there isn't a small starter source. He still throws a switch. A charged cap?
Pigs fly... :D
Wanna go whale watching off the shores of Nova Scotia?
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The waves don't have to continue leaving. On the downside of the signal the field collapses back to the source. Back EMF.
Your IRF840s have internal bypass diodes. So that part you won't see.
But RF is only the speed range of the magnetic wave.
The collector coil is computed to .4hz and sits at the peak intensity of it. Different tuning or running freqs won't Freak! (massive unity) at that point in space.
Transmission, collapse, transmission, harmonic.
Transmission, collapse, transmission, harmonic.
Transmission, collapse, transmission, harmonic.
Transmission, collapse, transmission, harmonic. 8)
'I gotta go visit a friend in Corazol'. The fishing is great there. :)
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http://www.coverpop.com/whitney/ (http://www.coverpop.com/whitney/)
At certain harmonics all the waves hit the line, the collector. 8)
'Then I gotta got to Kioto to see a play'.
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This makes the grand assumption that the SM3 and the SM6 use the same freq. 7.8hz.
The edge of the SM3 sits on the inside of the Feak wave and the & SM6 sits on the outside of the Freak wave. If these little devices were right in the middle of the wave (dia of 4.5") they would burn up. So the dia of the 17" could sit in the middle of its large harmonic. But SM uses 2 other freqs to put a smaller Freak wave at that distance. If he decided to use the one freq natural model, the materials in the SM17 couldn't withstand it.
So then, depending on the the desired output you want to control, the diameter & the materials controls the choice of your 1 freq or 2 freqs model.
I said it before: I need fat copper and a reactor. But now just the copper will do. :D
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Good News I stiched all the movies together for easer viewing.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/roundcoilfull.wmv
C0mster
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Hi all,
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SM says it is very simple, just coils...
Waiting on your thoughts.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave, do you or anyone else here knows if the SM toroid is with closed ends? (one continuous piece of wire? The 2 ends soldered or crimped together?) and then the out put is stepped up with other coil(s) inside that toroid?
As an example using the formulas for toroid with no added capacitors, and only its own self capacitance calculations, it results to a base resonant a frequency of 1.78 MHz
For the following configuration
Toroidal radius 10 cm (to centerline of coil radius)
Coil radius 2 cm
Number of turns 500
Air core
What would happen if the toroid is placed in a proximity of a field of approx 1.8 MHz?
Will the wires melt? Will it start ?kicking? if the pase is slightly off? Will the energy keep on building up inside the toroid?s field? To what levels?
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
What that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?
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This is in reference to the previous video of the Freak wave at sea and the Coke bottle and speaker demo, in relation to the sun emitting gravity waves and those waves then relaxing and how that creates the planetary orbits or valence bands. Hence the collector would be the earth and the orbit would the magnetic Freak wave.
In response to previous posts about the SM3/6 compared to SM17.
The SM3 & SM6 use a single freq, the harmonic with the earth's. That is why they don't work upside down. The SM17 never got turned upside down because it wouldn't matter, it uses two freqs. and causes its own freak wave. And I have yet know what these are.
The SM3 & SM6 use the same freq. Their collectors sit just either side, respectively, of the main harmonic meeting point, Freak wave if you will. The major harmonic pulse for these two devices sits at 4.5 inches diameter. If a collector sits at the peak it will fry because the material can't handle the power at that point. So the freqs are adjusted to put the main harmonic pulse on either side of the collector. Like sideband positions. ;)
Attached is a Java app screen http://www.falstad.com/ripple/[/b]]http://www.falstad.com/ripple/ (http://[b)to create the harmonics. Even though the center is not the collector the same effect is observed in an orbit. In our case here, by varying the freqs we can cause the harmonic meeting place to vary under control.
Just another day on the planet...
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Good News I stiched all the movies together for easer viewing.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/roundcoilfull.wmv
C0mster
could't you just use a step-up transformer to feed back to the input?
or is phase and transfomer losses a problem
Great question argona369.
I will be testing various ways to see how to use the extra wattage to provide a charge back to the source battery or cap this weekend. Other tests I have done in the past with step-up transformers have shown quite a bit of loss, the coupling is never 100%- 80% at best and yes phase may change things. I will test a couple step-up transformers this weekend and post some vids. I am thinking perhaps an arrangement of parallel caps that can be switched into series using some small electronic gates providing a 10v pulse back into the 9v source, brainstorming right now. In theory a true OU device should blow it self up if a capacitor drives it, and charge is put back into it. As the input voltage rises so will the output until the Cap goes PoP.
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HI c0mster,
On second thought, couldn?t you just change the number of turns on the
Output coil to up the voltage? to feed back to primary?
Cliff
Cliff
I see your brainstorming too. ??? A very good question as well. Time to put on the lab coat and go to work. :o Woo and it?s a long weekend here in Canada.
C0mster
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tao,
i think it must have been overlooked. rich did make one post but i guess he thought better of it. "there are several frequencies created in the cicumference of my collector coils". i think you may have found out why with your other posts a while back.
now let's see your thoughts on how to control them. it looks to me like you have placed two microphones to close together and you are about to get alot of noise. maybe that is why you need contol coils and a feedback coil?
lol
sam
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OK, it took me all day to get around to reading this stuff. Nice post Tao. We've been through this all before, but it's good to rehash it now that we have some builders in our midst.
This all came about because of SM's remark about the "worst case scenario of frequencies"... anyone remember that remark?
Well, what would that be now? Superposition maybe? hmmmm.
Everyone knows that somethings are bad for some applications (like communications) but good for others (power generation)... such is the case with superposition of waves.
Here's a good read regarding similar waves superpositioned. This page is a mainstream science page and confirms nearly everything that our Hungarian friend said. With some nice graphics to boost. Anyone wanna see what a kick looks like?
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html
this is also a good supporter of the counter rotating field theory as well. ;)
Have fun.
Rich
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guys,
what is a heater transformer?
lol
sam
ps: tao, shuttinup, shuttinup! so no need to tell me. lol
yea I know.
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rich,
that seemed to be a great example of the classical understanding of waves as we were all taught. do you remember the first time you were told that there was a set of 'imaginary numbers"?
lol
sam
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Here is a excel graph representing correlations between volts driving the coil and measurements across the input and output resistor @ 33ohm
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guy's
let's say, you have that same magnetic force, speeding along at the speed of light- the impedance of copper, how much power would you have? ALOT!!!
LOL
SAM
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Notice in the picture of the large coil, wich way the wires are wrapped on the surface. Notice too were the outputs are located on the 6 inch coil. In an early post it was said power would be generated in perpendicular wires.
Why doesn't it work upside down. The magnetic componet of a potential is relitive of that potential. In other words a low voltage signal has a weak magnetic componet, a high voltage signal has a strong componet. The potential between your coil and ground is weak, the potential difference between your coil and the Ionosphere is great. On it's side it can still draw a great potential from beyound the horizon. The potential of the circuit is great considering the power of the Ionosphere. Pointed towards the ground there is not enough potential to cause a kick.
I've almost finished my new coil, I don't like to refer to any other circuit in discription. But what it looks like to me is we are trying to run a Tesla coil backwards. Instead of pulsing energy out we are trying to pulse energy in. I thought about wrapping one layer of perpendicular wire between my normal torroid wraps and continue these over the outer wraps. I've decided not to now though because air core mutual and self inductance is low Q, looking for the best possible inductance between coilsI need to keep the wraps as closely together as possible. If the outside perpendicular wraps don't act like a Tesla coil in reverse I can remove them.
Also I made a statement that was unfair earlier, Of course I know you can read. This subject is way hot, I figured a grump would make site management realise even against policy This particular subject might need some language support. So of you guys are missing stuff, all of us need 100% on this.
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I believe I've stated this already. But nice try.... Where is your avatar?
Better diatribe makes for better plagiarism.
I have also attached some nice graphs for those interested in how this are looking as far as traffic goees.
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giantkiller,
at the risk of TAO'S WRATH, i have to say that is an impressive graphic. are you having trouble shifting between pages on overunity.com like i am? it seems all of the sudden this evening it takes forever to get anything to come up. i have the best high speed that is available through time warner and that is normally very fast. tonight it seems to take 30-45 seconds just to get to the post a reply screen. what is up with that? backup if you can and take a look at tao's post with the two coils ran inside of eachother, and his question and give me your thoughts.
lol
sam
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@sam
Fear no one 8)
I had tons of trouble today with the server not found in the middle of page paints. Don't know.
What post page or link was that.
Thx1138
--giantkiller
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Kosh - it sounds like he is saying that by adjusting the frequncy of the pulsed DC input... to match the frequency of the circuit potential... you can get more power out of many lengths of wire than you can with any other frequency. That's similiar to the anomalous surges in a resonate LC circuit.
Could a small current initiated by an approaching magnet be oscillated a circuit, and delivered to another oscillating circuit - with multiple concentric coils - whose circuit potential was tuned to that frequency... thereby creating more energy than you would have put in?
Could that energy be simply passed back to the first circuit - starting the cycle over again?
I don't know how that explains the rightside up only or the magnet turning it off... :)
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It's saturday afternoon here in australia and its tools down time and time for beer and cheer .. so .. hehehe .. how long is a circle ?
It just occurred to me that if a length of wire is wound around and around it is still just a length .. burp!! .. and that :o .. check out the nipple on that .. sorry watching the car racing too .. and .. so how long is a circle.. have fun today fellas (and gals) .. you know that one of us may be a woman (not sure really) .. but do you think a woman would join a group like this and openly admit it.. maybe so that she is biased against with her opinions... Burp .. better just go back to watching the racing me thinks...
i love you all .. ok ok ok .. chips and beer .. coming ... cya's
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HAHAHA dean, have a pint for me. I'll be drinking my home brew. I make beer as a hobby. And wine and root beer, and whi.... uh. nevermind. ;)
At any rate, have a good weekend folks. And Stefan, do you realize what your ad banners are doing to your site?
ridiculous.
webmasterplan seems to pretty much blow chunks.
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tao,
let's say we take that inner core and suspend in a tube shaped ceramic core, just to stabilise it, and took and wraped the second coil around that. then let's say we took and poured a second layer of ceramic around that to spacially stabilise it, and the first coil. where should the control coils be placed before we stabilise them in the same manner.
i think i see the point. but, i have to ask why you would wind the inner and outer control wires opposite instead of the same way. it seems to me if you have different frequencies they could produce kicks either way? however going in opposite directions might be the whole problem with the heat rise. it might be the only way to get the kicks, too.
just looking for a bone.
sam
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tao,
i just went back and looked at the drawing you placed AGAIN! now that i think of it, HUH, i wonder why he called it a collector coil? ;)
lol
sam
ps: you think it might have anything to do with the fact it collects all those rapidly moving magnetic currents in all that copper? i wonder if that does anything!!!!!!!
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Hi Marco, and All,
Sorry if I sound like i don't know much about antennas and coils, this is a new area for me. I've been keeping upto date with all the posts so far.
I believe that what sm has achieved is to tune into the earths magnetic field, and is amplifying this somehow, I'm just thinking on the lines of an lc circuit being tuned to 7.23hz.
Since i'm still learning this stuff, is it easy to tune into the magnetic field of the earth, or potential if you like?
I'm going to build a crystal set using coil and variable cap and see if maybe i can pick this up with my scope, again sorry if i sound like i don't know much, I'm so fascinated with sm energy coil and want to learn all i can about how it may work.
On another note if you connect this tuned cct into a set of coils, could it be that easy to extract energy?
watching the vid again where they are cutting the larger unit, i cannot see anything inside, I even enhanced the pic with topaz, as someone mentioned this program earlier on, but could not see anything inside, ive attached pic, this to me sounds like it is far simple than we realize, I was thinking along the lines of his device basically tuning into earths magnetic field and then amplified by way of coils.
Anyway experimenting will tell.
Cheers, ;)
Mrd
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Guys, Im reading the first post again, regarding Stevens email to Lindsay:-
excerpt:-
It is very possible to generate electric power from the earth's magnetic field. Think about the fact that in just one revolution, the Earth generates enough electric power to supply North America with all it needs for over 100 years! All we have to do is tap into that energy and all our energy wishes come true.
Cheers,
Mrd ;)
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The earths magnetic field may not be as static as you think, anyway i'm getting sick of talking, best thing, go out and build, another thing ive noticed with Stevens devices, that they have two rings, so on that basis and from the early vids ive seen, im going to build around those lines.
Cheers,
Mrd ;D
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@Mannix
I am glad your anticipations have matched up with traffic post on page 331.
Been there, done that!
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gentlemen,
ithink MIB have finally arrived!!! it sure seems like someone, whether it is by buying a banner ad or what, i don't know, but someone has thrown a monkey wrench in the gears!!! :o
Hi Marco, and All,
Sorry if I sound like i don't know much about antennas and coils, this is a new area for me. I've been keeping upto date with all the posts so far.
I believe that what sm has achieved is to tune into the earths magnetic field, and is amplifying this somehow, I'm just thinking on the lines of an lc circuit being tuned to 7.23hz.
Since i'm still learning this stuff, is it easy to tune into the magnetic field of the earth, or potential if you like?
I'm going to build a crystal set using coil and variable cap and see if maybe i can pick this up with my scope, again sorry if i sound like i don't know much, I'm so fascinated with sm energy coil and want to learn all i can about how it may work.
On another note if you connect this tuned cct into a set of coils, could it be that easy to extract energy?
watching the vid again where they are cutting the larger unit, i cannot see anything inside, I even enhanced the pic with topaz, as someone mentioned this program earlier on, but could not see anything inside, ive attached pic, this to me sounds like it is far simple than we realize, I was thinking along the lines of his device basically tuning into earths magnetic field and then amplified by way of coils.
Anyway experimenting will tell.
Cheers, ;)
Mrd
mrd,
can you tell us how many frames were used, in your enhancement, it looks like six. i'm trying to figure out why there seems to be like an aurora over the unit. i think i know but if you could give us some details about where the frames were taken from maybe someone with even a better program out there can possible blend the images together or is it just a vibration of time itself that is fuzzing things out?
lol
sam
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@Kosh
You're right again, dude!
I say just plug the damn thing in the wall and lets move on. That is what mine is doing. It's time to knock out the theorists and let the mechanics kick the tires...
That is what the Comster is also doing. Just run!
We are in the field of antennae physics. We know the freq of the SM3 & SM6. We know the SM17 runs on 2 freqs. We know the distance at which each antennae sits and the tuning requires matching the harmonic on the coil. The distance? Yes. When the wave relaxes and the field is returning back to the coil. We pick up the harmonic. See attached. 8)
Attention all theorists, plagiarizers, and pontificators: There is work to be and campfire chat time is over. Put your heads down now and take your naps. :D
@Tao
Your last diagram pictures a real device that was outer coil loose romex on PVC and the inner coil inside the PVC was thick red cord. The input was 12v1a. The output was 8000v20a. I lost the link.
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@Tao
I found the link in post page 287 at the bottom.
http://www.altenergy-pro.com/gallery.htm (http://www.altenergy-pro.com/gallery.htm) 3-1 & 3-2
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@Kosh
You're right again, dude!
I say just plug the damn thing in the wall and lets move on. That is what mine is doing. It's time to knock out the theorists and let the mechanics kick the tires...
That is what the Comster is also doing. Just run!
We are in the field of antennae physics. We know the freq of the SM3 & SM6. We know the SM17 runs on 2 freqs. We know the distance at which each antennae sits and the tuning requires matching the harmonic on the coil. The distance? Yes. When the wave relaxes and the field is returning back to the coil. We pick up the harmonic. See attached. 8)
Attention all theorists, plagiarizers, and pontificators: There is work to be and campfire chat time is over. Put your heads down now and take your naps. :D
@Tao
Your last diagram pictures a real device that was outer coil loose romex on PVC and the inner coil inside the PVC was thick red cord. The input was 12v1a. The output was 8000v20a. I lost the link.
So go for it, knock us all out. Tao, and I will just stop posting and you can take us to the home stretch... how's that? You know, in the last few pages, I've seen you be disrespectful to Mannix, Myself, and Tao.. Nice work for maybe 20 lines of typing. Why not just alienate everyone here?
Perhaps we should just take our theorizing to my site, and be done with all the friggin ad banners, and elitist attitude?
If I misread the intended spirit of your post then I'm sorry.
@Mramos, did you see the diagram I posted for you? If you look at Tao's 3d diagram of the physical structure of the TPU, then look at my diagram, you will see how it's wired. As to the number of turns, That's a bit trickier.. If you are building a sm17, the diameter of the toroid itself is about 17". However, I think that's a slight overestimation of size, judging by how large SM's hands are in the video, with respect to the device, seems more like 14" or 15" to me, I wouldn't care but SM said diameter was important. By my reconing, inside diameter is about 12".. Unless steven is a very tall man, then it very well could be 17" with an Inside diameter of about 14 or 15.
OK, so the reason it's important, is because we need to tune the antenna(collector) properly. The Diameter of an antenna (the diamond shaped symbol acting as a core to the four control coils in my diagram) changes depending on the frequency you're tuning in to.
What's the exact size? number of turns, etc? We don't know yet. =)
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I wait for numbers also.
Ok, So I have a controller that is dual channel, variable frequency, clockwise/counterclockwise direction.
I can drive 5 watts to 50 watts coils.
My latest bifilar coil is a masterpiece of configurablility. I can jumper this baby like ropin' a calf to hog tying a raccoon. 8 coils. It is 16 watts big. But could be wrong. Price = $70.00 us. Not bad. But could be wrong.
The directions wound could be wrong. Ya just can't flip it over!
Labor was easy.
I could dupe what Marco wound and drive that. The number of turns made it a labor of love. Anyone would hard pressed to do it again. Although the wire would be inexpensive.
As anyone can see I have made pretty pictures also. I am still getting to the completion stage with all that I have. Marco wound the coil, comster drove the frequencies. Things are just a little shy.
I wanted wire turns and directions. I have asked since September 4, 2006. I have all the understanding that was requested by Mannix, so we don't do any damage with new found technologies.
Others have expressed similar viewpoints and dropped off.
We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case.
We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case.
We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case.
We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case.
A very simple request.
Instead of alot of class room.
Damage? Lets talk damage. Chavez is an up and coming tyrant in a train of previous oil tyrants. Last year I was involved in a deal to purchase 25 oil tankers by Shell oil from Knightsbridge to transfer oil from the southern Gulf of Mexico. Chavez goes and buys 100,000 AK47s and tons of munitions. Why? Somebody is the bad guy! So Shell pays the 25 billion fee to back out of the deal. This was deemed to limit the volumn of oil from South America. We can't get away from the Middle east?
Stupid human tricks!
Does anybody really know what time it is?
We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case. Specifications, please. Some say they have them. Produce...
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@CTGlabs
Looks like you got your own freak wave happening!
I have seen on my timers that the protoboard assembly doesn't give me the fine tuning that I want. I am going to focus on this part deeper. I need exact control. The 2 feqs that have been going around are 7.4 & 7.8 with a diff .4 hz. That is tight!
Also since the coils are certain diam, the right wavelength has to be gotten. The freak/harmonic has to appear at the distance of the coils inside edge or center or outside edge, the antennae. Old news, huh? You get the harmonic centered I guarantee you'll get heat. There is engery get pushed in without the correct release. And still think that copper isn't good enough. But it what we have to work with, no?
Great work! ;)
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gentlemen,
it seems like stephan is hard at work getting the monkey wrench out of the gears!! let's not throw another one in.
rich you might want to take a look at the letter posted by mannix, somewhere around page 316. i tried to back up and get it but ran into the MIB. when you get back to the letter that steven sent mannix, take a look at the dimentions that were posted. i never really paid that close of attention to the ratios. but i will bet they are close to a golden number.
giant killer,
great post, about the alternate energy site!!!!! i think we all can see, if this guy acctually has anything close to working, that it is going to have something to do with the 1.618. if you want my theory on the number of windings, that all depends on how you want to wind. i believe it is all going to come down to figuring out what diameter you want the inside of the torus to be; because all the other coils that are wound around it are going to have to be 1.618 times as large as the first inside collector coil that is wound. the first, or guts of the collector coil is going to have to have a radius of 1/5 of the diameter of the torus itself. all of the other coils like i said will depend on how many windings you have in the first inside "gut coil". all i know is that the second or outside collector coil, as tao theorizes, and has posted a drawing of will have the same diameter on the inside. and should be wrapped 1.618 times larger in diameter than the first. whether it is wrapped to run in parallel or opposite the first coil is the big question.
tao seems to have the idea, as do you that it should be wrapped opposite, and i can see some merrit to that. because as marcos's post of the 3d animation showed it apperared to me that the two sign waves are cancelling each other instead of resonating. what happens with the next dimention of the collector coil is something i would like to have some input on. that is if you don't think i am totally wacked out. 8)
marcos,
great post with the 3d animation. i wish someone could find a graphis progam that could wrap that into a toroid for us. it might help to see it all a little better.
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We want wire turns and directions, and freqs just in case.
Taking a break from the lab I read this post. Giantkiller, On reviewing my posts I noticed I failed to explain that my coil only has 1 layer, it is only wrapped one time for each gauge of wire. I did it this way because I wanted to test what affect the electron had on the round core and compass?s. I did not count the number of wraps I wrapped on it <Woops>. But on the inside the 32 gauge wire is wrapped with no gap. It seems this set up has a sweet spot at 3.5KHz which is harmonic at 7KHz (Hmm that seems like a familiar number here). The rest of the specs I tried to include in my video at cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil.
Dave can you calculate from those scope shots the intensity of that nice wave? Is it possible for you to post some pics of the set up or some specs? I might have missed the post where you posted them. As we see this site is having issues loading.
C0mster
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@Marco
So the Harmonic would look like a a large Ring like a toroid itself. With that happening on the coil that would explain the power burst or kick.
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marcos,
yea i see that. now consider this. instead of thinking in sound waves, for a minute, lets think about magnetic waves in a toroid. lets also take a closer look at tao's suggestion that we place this coil inside another coil. i am going to assume everyone here has studied toroids enough to know that 99% of the magnetic flux can be contained in the toroid. now, when we wrap the second coil around the first, we should again contain 99% of that coils magnetic flux plus 99% of the 1% that the first coil did not contain. are you with me so far?
now as a second considration lets say thi inside diameter of the second coil is the same or as close as possible, in other words touching on the inside, and some amount larger in diameter, let's just guess, 1.618 times as large then what will happen if both coils have the same number of windings.
i think, if 99% of the flux gets contained in the second coil and the first, all or a vast majority of the flux in the first coil is going to have to be forced to the outside of the toroid and traped as "kicks by the second.
what do you think?
lol
sam
ps: now i think i understand why a control coil and a feedback coil will be nescesary.
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Dave, I just want to congratulate you on showing the first scope shot of the first OBVIOUS, and UNDENIABLE kick. Kudos.
To quote SM, what you have done is just what he did..
When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with.
And...
It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
Now... we just need to "make enough of them fast sendoff", so that we can get a "collectible power spike" in our collector coils...
It may have been for just a minute point in time, but you have achieved overunity.
GREAT WORK
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That's basically what I was going to say.
Since he had one wave constantly on, and he was switching the second one on and off, perhaps the first wave in the smaller devices, the one that is always on, is the schumann resonance, and he just sets up a resonant circuit for the second frequency.
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dave,
congratulations, the more i started looking at it the clearer it became!!!!! that that is exactly what you have done. you made a kick!!!!!!
marcos,
congratulations, did you notice the wave that started the kick generation. look back at dave's post on page 338. in the second graph it looks like the amplitude of the wave is about to start dieing out at around -.618 to the value of 1. and as the third graph shows BAM something starts to take off to somewhere around the 7.4-7.8 range. now let's focus in on the zero point of that wave that actually cancels out in the 7.4-7.8 range on the other side. look about 1.618 to the right of the 0 point of the 5 cube matrix AND THERE IS THE "KICK"!!!!!!! I LOVE IT WHEN THEORY AND EXPERIMENTATION COME TOGETHER!!!!!
NOW let's take it to the next step.
lol
sam
ps: how about the 12? any teories on where to place the control coils?
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A question regarding coils,
In one video does the SM device look like this? The first one,
this reminds me of hendershot who was really trying to make a magnetic compass
And ended up with a free energy machine
. http://www.walkerscientific.com/Products/Product_Lines/Helmholtz/helmholtz.html
Or maybe something like this?
http://www.sciencefirst.com/artcls/6.pdf#search=%22magnetometer%20coil%22
also this, and the quadrupole link on this page?
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/helmholtz.html
Cliff
Argona, yes, I'm still not completely convinced it's not that simple. SM makes remarks about eddy currents creating heat in the collector coils, and knowing how magnetometers work, and the fact he speaks about tesla's increasingly sensitive magnetometers to detect lightning strikes in the lab, it would be a logical conclusion. If it is in fact how the device works, then we need to draw parallels to all of SMs other remarks. Likening a magnetometer to a toroidal xformer is easy enough, that's basically what it is, etc. Therefor getting kicks out of it would be possible.
Magnetometers frequently use a rheostat to adjust frequency cancel the earth's field in order to detect other metals since the earth's field is strong enough to cover up any inductance created by eddy currents.
However if we tuned it the other way, to create a "freak wave" instead of trying to cancel it out...
get my drift?
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giantkiller,
let's say you take power out at the nine points like a rodin torus. what happens? nothing!!! it was ready to be harvested.
lol
sam
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marcos,
remember you only used a little of the power and transposed it; or only the control wires are wound vertically. which comes back to the question. HOW are the control wires wound? how are the collectors wound?
their length must be CALCULABLE!!!!
think first to the "NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE!!!! 1.618 IN OUR PERSPECTIVE. PHI!!!
lol
sam
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Hi All,
Something just came to me, while thinking about what Steven mentioned, that one kick isnt enough but when you combine many kicks, thats where you see some amazing things, like Dave's scope output I think he has hit the nail on the head.
This is what I'm thinking, even the days when i built a preamp, the preamp had to have a ramp up delay as it would damage the speakers when you first turned it on, as you would get a loud thump. I'm thinking along the lines of what Steven has mentioned that theres an interaction with the earths magnetic field and electrons in a wire.
I'm looking at this real simple like:- So if we were to have 10 people flicking on and off switches going into say 10 transformers, and these transformers were connected in parallel, I reckon the kicks collected would be substantial in nature.
As Steve mentioned when you first turn on a cct theres a kick.
Cheers, all and keep up the good work
Fantastic
Mrd ;D
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I think I stumbled...
My previous posts have mentioned some of these things before, but all of you have done the experiements to prove!
Thanks. No, I am not trying to grab glory. I just couldn't get my controller in time. But that is ok. The part I saw myself in was appearing past the initial attempts. I, like Marco, would like to avoid winding another coil. But with everybodies efforts, the next coils would less incorrect than way off base. Kapeesh?
@Marcos....
Your coil partially worked because of a previous post. I mentioned that the bypass diodes in the MOSfet might be the fault. But how does one increase the power out of bipolars other than the MOSfets without dire consequences?
And the cu de gras is my coil is speaker wire! I am already stranded! I kinda fell into that.
So the question that still digs at me is the clocking control for the 'close in time' freqs. I have two for the bigger coil scenario, but on a small diam coil. I could have the best or worst of both worlds. Small diam coil with 16 g stranded wire, with 3 layer cross wound of 88 turns at 4 segment times 2. I am thinking power drivers.
My skeptism at this config is that my coil wiring doesn't match up with the diam to maximise the freak wave/harmonic at the desired distance for the necessary wavelength. And I am driving with MOSfets.
I wait for replies.
Oh, and another thing...
All is good! Damn good!
So what can I expect to see from further progress? I myself am finishing putting together the controller. I plan to keep the sloppy 556 clocks in the works. I start from there. Ooh, ya know I think supersam or gnostic mentioned crystals before. Eh? Crystal controlled timers would the cats meow.
I gotta quit postin and get back the boards.
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giantkiller,
you you might want to take a " a look at the rodin coils" before you jump the 88 is not a possibility, unless it is something different. but if you are looking for high tech? i just didn't want you to dive into something unknown without at least realising it. i hope for the best. watch out there could be alot of power behind door #1!!!!!!
lol
sam
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mramos,
THANKS, ;D
SAM
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Another dipiction where the circuit produces the harmonic wave at the tuned distance, the wavelength of the coil radius. Two views.
@sam, explain to me how you want Marco's previous toroid pic wrapped
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Hi Dave, do you or anyone else here knows if the SM toroid is with closed ends? (one continuous piece of wire? The 2 ends soldered or crimped together?) and then the out put is stepped up with other coil(s) inside that toroid?
As an example using the formulas for toroid with no added capacitors, and only its own self capacitance calculations, it results to a base resonant a frequency of 1.78 MHz
For the following configuration
Toroidal radius 10 cm (to centerline of coil radius)
Coil radius 2 cm
Number of turns 500
Air core
What would happen if the toroid is placed in a proximity of a field of approx 1.8 MHz?
Will the wires melt? Will it start ?kicking? if the pase is slightly off? Will the energy keep on building up inside the toroid?s field? To what levels?
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
What that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?
Hi Mike,
I dont think it is close ended as SM has said it has control coils which are wound in segments around the torroid shape, it is to produce a rotating field.
Nice calculations though on working out the resonance for diameter and number of turns. Guess it will be more complex with the segmented coils though! A challenge!
I think you are right about the magnets being used to start the oscillation. As there is no power input, then this can serve as a little kick start.
Regards,
Dave.
Ahh ok. Thanks Dave.
After looking at one of the videos, the one with the most simple torus about 5" dia placed on the glass table, I thought with the old proven KISS principle the following could be a safe first assumption:
a. a closed loop energy amplification main toroid with a base resonating frequency of 7.4 - 7.8 Hz
b. a number of output (and possibly control) coils that can be
c. inside the energy collection and amplification toroid in different orientations?
or
d. interwoven with the main toroid
or
e. some of the output coils are actually part (sections of the toroid/spliced wires)
or
f. some combination of the above
I was thinking closed end toroid since it appears to be self powering.
with possibility (e) one will actually remove current directly from the source without physically introducting another coil inside?
Just thinking out loud.
Thanks folks for a very interesting thread. Nice links, pics, info.
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Guys,
This web site does have a slow loading performance. If you want to get rid of it, just disable java script temporarily in you browser when viewing. However, when posting a message, you might want to enable it back, otherwise, some features might not work.
Just a thought -:)
Kames.
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Hi guys,
yes, it seems there are now some problems
with the Ebay banners, as the sometimes quit loading.
You can just press the reload button in your browser,
then the page reloads quickly okay.
I will investigate it and try to get it fixed.
Otherwise you can disable the Javascript
in this moment.
@Dave,
great findings with this superimposed spike in the transformers.
How exactly was the setup for this ?
Did you use 2 transformers and just put their output in parallel
or did you feed just one tranformer with these 2 waves , only on different input coils
on the one transformer ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi All, and Dave,
The second sinewave generator, how is this being switched on and off, are you physically doing this with a switch?
If we were to set something up with many switches, would a 555 timer do with square pulse, which are the on off?
Sorry for the dumb questions.
Mrd ;)
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Hey Dave,
Thanks, lol I try not to sound dumb anyway, just my simple approach to all this.
I was just checking 555 timer cct that i posted on this forum, it looks like a very efficient dc to dc converter, using 555 timer as pulse generator.
I was just thinking this, if we instead of putting a signwave in , just used a pulse gen, and used several of them on one transformer, this may do the same thing with the kicks, I wont know until i try myself, and im sorry to ask questions, where no one has prob tried this yet. I figured since your ahead of the game with a built cct and all, if you would like to try this, Ive pasted again the 555 timer cct i was referring to, so I'm thinking the pulse may produce these kicks, since its a switching on and off, and if we had several 555timer doing it into same coil/transformer, it may be the holy grail we are looking for....lol ;D
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Hi Dave,
No I don't have anything setup yet, Ive been reading alot and thinking, and going back and reading again. I'm hooked with sm device, but havent really a clue where to start until now, After reading and going through this in my head and seeing your great results, I'm going to try it soon.
I'm probably not as good as most people on this forum when it comes to measuring, but I can do it, and it will take me some time.
The building cct part wont be an issue, but unfortunately I havent started this yet, I do have breadboards and 555 timers, but need to buy a couple of transformers, on that question, I'm actually in australia and its 240 volts rated here, so i would like to ask what type of transformer i should get?
hmm several dc to dc converters connected together, what i was thinking was linking several 555timers on the one transformer, I guess theres still some work ahead, only experimenting will tell. Curreently I want to finish torbays magnet motor, and have been putting my energy into it, this of course is my next project, so im trying to help by keeping it simple.
;)
Mrd
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Hi Dave,
What do you mean you want to go into cupboard and cry? Is it because after the tests youve done , youve foundout that it really was false?
I'm trying to understand your meaning here, sorry as im not sure.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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Hi Dave,
Don't despair, I don't know much myself about whats free and whats not, Im not even sure how you come to that conclusion, and theres my problem.
Maybe it is free but your not recognizing it, have you thought about that? Eexperimenting and observing is the way, and I reckon your doing just fine. People here talk alot and havent experimented enough. My way of thinking, is that we truly don't understand all that is out there, and should be building and experimenting, to learn. I'm learning by building, In the case though with sm device, he says its all to do with kicks, and as i see it, he mentions jumper leed and when you first apply a current in the wire theres a kick, so maybe im a fool in believing this, but what if we dwelve into this further, by doing what he says, and thats to build, get our hands dirty and learn and move on from this.
I like to think KISS, and then work it that way, and then evolve from there, Thats why i like that 555timer dc to dc converter, and to start off with I was going to build that, so i can learn.
Cheers, Champ
Dom ;)
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Hehehe ok Dave,
Maybe, I still don't know, I'm like a big kid, i know.
Are you able to make that 555timer dc to dc converter, and play around with the two transformer you have, or build two or 3 of the 555 timer ccts and see what happens when you use em together?
I was even going to use a magnet and place it near by to see if this makes any difference.
Cheers,
Dom :D
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Hi Dave,
did you try to put the 2 transformer input and/or outputs in series ?
Probably not yet , right ?
Graham Gunderson has seen some strange results,
when he pulsed or fed one transformer with two 180 degres out of phase
signals, so that they normally cancel each other out.
He also could produce a strange "ray" this way, which was
some kind of scalar "beam" or something simular,
which could knock off or influence things at a distance.
It must be still in my old
yahoogroups free-energy archive
or in the yahoogroups
ou-builders@yahoogroups.com
He wanted to offer kits of this design,
but then he went with MPI, where he now
has this new solid state magnet patent.
But I guess Steven Mark also meant, you must put
pulses into ONE transformer, to get kicks out,
and this is best, if you do it with a bifilar coil
or 2 x 180 out of phase input coils to see
some kicks at the normally canceled output secondary
coil.
Graham said, he had some strange signals at the secondary
this way, but when I remember correctly, he pulsed the the
input coils on the same transformer and
when hold into a direction of some metal image hanging at
his ceilling wall a few meters away, it shook and
his device produced some kind of scalar wave.
Later he tested over distances of at least 50 to 100 Meters
and it was like a light beam he said.
Unfortunately he never published his whole setup in detail.
But it had to do with canceling out currents in
2 primary coils in a transformer and then the
secondary output coil showed strange results and
the thing also vibrated in very peculiar ways.
Also you could feel this ray with your hands, so
it was influencing biological cells.
So Dave, please try it with one transformer and
use one, which has or instance 240 Volt to 2 x 12 Volts.
Then use the 2 secondary 12 Volts windings to put
your input singnals in there , so that they cancel each other out
and look at the other 240 Volts coil, what will come out of it.
Please also test this with your noise generator.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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P.S. If you put 2 transformers input coils in series
and drive it with noise,
the input current might not draw additional current from
the battery, when the 2 output coils are also in series ?!
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@Marco, can you film yourself turning that on please? ;)
@dave, all due respect, but isn't white noise too dirty to tell when two white noise signals are combining? There are all kinds of natural spikes in white noise.
Also, I thought you were well into operation when the spikes occured in your experiemnt, not when you just turned it on.
Regards,
Rich
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Thanks man. Oh, and use your right hand to throw the switch keep your left behind your back... That thing sounds a bit scary.
@stefan, ok so the site is loading faster now that you have removed the banners, but now those automatic link things cause the site to throw a "site not found error" after it has already loaded, and it sends us to a dns error page, so that we have to refresh, what domain do those ads come from, so I can block them in my firewall?
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Ok I have a very simple question.
Let's take a closed end toroid e.g. 1000 turns 10 cm radius with a base harmonic for 3.5 MHz
Mark the turn at 12 o'clock as 0
and let's say the turn at 3:00 o'clock as 250 (going clock wise)
Next splice a wire on the 0 turn and a wire at the 250 turn
Next apply a jolt of potential to those 2 wires
Do we have 2 sets of currents going through the toroid?
One current from turn 0 to turn 250 clock wise ( through consecutive turns 0, 1,2, ? 248,249,250 for a total of 250 turns and ? of the toroid)?
The other current from turn 0 to turn 250 counter clock wise (through consecutive turns 0, 999, 998,?252,251,250 for a total of 750 turns or the other ? of the toroid)?
Do we have 2 standing waves rushing through the toroid at opposite rotations at different frequencies and effectively amplifying each other when the amplitudes are in sync?
Shouldn?t there be splice location where max amplification at max freq results?
Possibly at exact opposites?, or some harmonic multiple divisor of 1000 (in the example above 1000 turns were used)
I keep thinking closed toroid since in that video the simplest design about 5" dia (the one he placed on the glass table) there seemed to be no outside power sources driving the toroid
Or maybe use a pm to kick start the proccess intead of an outside VA source.
Any insights will be appreciated. Thx
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Hi Stefan,
I am a member of ou-builders, but I dont think there is anything about it there, although there is some of Grahams previous posts in a text file on there which is quite long.
Yes, but it is already a few years back.
The Yahoogroups also has not a good search engine,
so it is hard to search in these archives...
So, to place two signals both in the primary at once 180d out so they cancel, but see some signals on the secondary? Sounds interesting, I can try this.
Exactly,
please try it and also try to put 2 transformers in all various series/parallel
configurations.
Somehow the transformers can act on each other
espcially when you drive them with noise pulses..
Makes me think when SM says "electrons can travel in both directions at once".
Yes, maybe only one component cancels out and the non visible
scalar component adds up....
Graham and me exchanged a few emails during this time,
where he claimed, he could convert the scalar energy back
into electrical energy in a special crystal setup,
where 2 scalar waves did interfere and he was able to light
a fluorescent or neon lamp or something like this, when I remember correctly,
where the interference area of 2 scalar waves was...
Unfortunately he never did publish the real setup and I could
only guess, what he really did do...
But he said, he used ONE transformer, where he drove both
normal 12 Volts output coils 180 degrees out of phase probably
with strong pulses and at one of the core then came also this scalar wave
out, which he could also feel with his hands...
He said, when I remember right, that he also never had
totally canceled output at the 240 Volts coil, which he used
as his secondary.
He might have also shorted it out, so that the scalar wave
was stronger from the core.
He might have also modified the transformer core,
so that he might have removed one iron leg from it,
so that he could point the open core to distant objects...
Too bad, he did not come over here.
I did send him 3 weeks ago an invitation, when PMI announced
his patent, but so far he seems to be too busy to post over here...
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi all,
At the risk of sounding incredibly ignorant: I hope all the tests are with toroids. I am partial to air core so that nothing is in the way of the EM wave returning. But also the expansion to the center would cause the flux lines to squeeze or compress into the center building up force. And of course any change in windings would have to happen around the toroid. Can be expensive.
Is anybody with me on this? Should I go back to my desk and put my head down now?
I got the flu but I must go to Radio shack and get some 100 ohm resistors.
Ouch, I just had a thought: What if the harmonic happened in the center also? That would ripple power outward.
Also, with the kick, bemf. Its' been mentioned but how can it be kept in the circuit to sustain power?
We've always been taught to dump or bypass it. Which if you think about it. This simple fix/flaw is where we are at and it seems to me a whole nother area of hidden electronics. The Tesla side.
Thanks guys. This is enjoyable to follow along. I feel like sh*t. Contact Nite & day is really powerful meds for flu! But i can't afford to miss any postings. This 'Around the world in 24/7' is cool. Somebody is always up working.
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If you have the time for toroids: http://atlas.ch/atlas_photos/toroid/toroid_barrel.html (http://atlas.ch/atlas_photos/toroid/toroid_barrel.html) 8)
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@dave,
thanks. For the SMs there can be no saturation. And also with air you get the magnetic waves crossing through the center and through to the other side outside? Seems like that could happen becasue there is no magnetic barrier. The would make one very complex field with flux lines crossing spherically like a 3d spirographic pattern. If the flux lines cross each other at angles wouldn't that generate power?
Thanks for the reply.
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Dear all,
First, congratulations to all team with a special mention for people who are building models and they are sharing results.
Dave (ctglabs), tao, .. I think the last ideas could be a key for a future (I hope sooner than later) understanding of SM device. So, Dave, go ahead with your experiments ?
Talking about the latest results, I want to give you my opinion, based on some similar tests with transformers. I think you are using a very high resistance for loading, then the transformer works as an ideal voltage generator (similar with an open circuit). This is a non-linear V-I relationship that can produce false results. If you try to change the load (use a variable resistor, for instance) and the V output does not change, that is. When you find the first (or the highest) load value that Vout decreases if you decrease the load, that is the minimum current that can cancel the flux generated by the primary. Beyond this point, the equation Vi*Ii=Vo*Io (without losses) is valid and the power is the same (in-out). But if Io is close to zero due to a high resistance in the output, Vo tends to infinite (Vo=Vi*Ii/Io) but it is limited by EMF value.
Then, I think you have to test a lower value for loading (1K for instance). Don?t worry if you have a very small voltage. Then make the measure of one input and output and two inputs and output. Maybe I am wrong but I had a lot of surprises in the past working with transformers in non-linear situations. If you get the same effect, GREAT !!!!! and congratulations again !!!!!! ;)
I think it is a very good approach to mix signals, and the white noise can be a very good idea. You can ?mix? adding ? or multiplying. In the second case (similar to radio detection) you have a DC component and harmonics. Doing it n times, you have a very high DC component and a high freq.-low amplitude ripple. White noise has infinite energy due to the high (infinity) bandwidth, but it is not useful because the power (amplitude) is too small. But if we can ?concentrate? near to DC by freqs translation (multiply) a spread spectrum of noise, and then adding in an accumulative process, we have the same ?energy? but a lot of power near to DC. It is similar to concentrate in a few seconds (nuclear explosion) the natural radioactivity of uranium that runs billions years: you have the same energy but, obviously, more power. Just a thought maybe wrong.
Regards
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@dave!
Plz for the sake of prosperity. On your OU(if I may be so bold) transformer circuit, plug in the square wave to double the kicks! Maybe, no?
Maybe you scope will peg? ;)
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@Tao
Great sims. 8)
Although, reality does tend to play unfair sometimes...
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Stefan I have tried the out of phase idea using the circuit from my last post but having the phases the other way round so they cancel perfectly.
All I see on the scope is a dead line as the primary signals cancel. No strange feeling on my skin or lamps falling off the shelf! But I am using very lower power...
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
please try again and use something like a 240 to 2 x 6 Volts transformer.
Could also be 2 x 12 or 2 x 15 Volts .
Then drive the 2 coils, that are normally the secondary coils
with 2 noise generators, which are not synchron.
Do it this way, that the coils voltages would normally cancel
out each other.
Then look at the 240 Volts coil and see, if it has spikes.
Maybe you can drive a fluorescent tube with it.
The good thing should be, that if you load
the 240 Volts coil with a load, the other 2 input coils
should not be loaded much, that means, if you pull out more
power from the output, that should not need more input
power at the input.
Of course the question is, if you are at the right working
point on the BH diagram of the transformer core.
Could be, that you must bring the core into saturation or shortly
before this, so please try to put in not mikroWatts, but at least
a few hundred milliWatts.
If you don?t have 2 noise generators, you could also try
with 2 out of phase square wave generators.
Many thanks.
Regads, Stefan.
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I figure now is as good a time as any to drop a BOMB OF COINCIDENCE concerning SM's words and a real phenomenon....
START SECTION THREE
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Steven Mark's Words
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These are direct quotes from Steven Mark about his devices:
Here SM says that his devices work like radio receivers:
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.No I do not want to hear feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
Here SM says that his different devices use different frequencies and that the closer you get to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' that you will permit more power output:
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
Here SM is saying something VERY IMPORTANT, that you make several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE and that the DIAMETER/CIRCUMFERANCE determines the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' of his different devices, if Steven's collector coils are indeed loop antennas then this makes perfect sense, different circumferances, different 'center/idea frequencies':
The important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
Here SM talks about the signal source, i.e. the 'several frequencies in the SPACE OF THE COLLECTOR COILS CIRCUMFERENCE' having the characteristic that it has inherent gain:
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.
Here SM refers to the fact that if you were to tune directly to the 'center frequency'/'ideal frequency' which is based on the circumferance of the device, that you would destroy the device, well think about that, if SM used the technique from above and he stayed at one frequency and he looped the output at 1.5x COP to the input, then the device would surely be "instantly destroyed":
It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work.
Here SM is explaining that you must constantly move AROUND, i.e. above and below, the 'center/ideal frequency' because if you stay on it too long the device would smoke itself:
Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important. Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.
END SECTION THREE
I have MUCH more to say about Steven's words regarding the KICKS and combining KICKS, and how they exactly match the Hungarian scientist works above. I will guide you in detail through the exact similarities.
I will post more later, this took me a while to format and its 1am ;).
Almost forgot, here are the links to the above info from the Hungarians:
Free energy from wave-fields (Introduction):
http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/interference.htm
Simplified explanation how to gain free energy from wave-fields:
http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/studyexp.htm
Janos Vajda is ?Violation of The Energy Thesis in Wave-Fields? is here:
.DOC Format(self-extracting) = http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/study11_w.exe
.HTML Format = http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/study1.htm
Hi Tao,
nice, that you have found that.
It seems this is probably the most realistic explanation,
how the SM devices could work.
The question then is only,
why do they stop to work,
when you turn them around by 180 degrees ?
If this is the basic principle, it is sure, that you can start with a few millivolts
of induction by waiving a permanent magnet across the unit and
then the unit starts to run up.
But I think, this probably must be used with short pulses
traveling on transmission lines or coil wires,
but I guess the transformer setup, which Dave presented is flawed,
as I will post next.
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Hi Dave,
using your 2 transformer to double the amplitude of the sinwave
is probably energywise not right,
as you also double the inner resistance of this
sine wave power source, as you put 2 transformer output coils
in series and thus the inner power source resistance is also
doubled.
So if you apply an ohmic load to the output, you can only
draw the maximum power out,
when Rload=Rsource.
An example.
YOu have 2 battery sources with 2 Volts DC and each has a power supply inner resistance as 1 Ohm.
Now if you short them each out, you can draw from each source
4 Watts ( 2 Volts x 2 amps), so 8 Watts in total.
Now put both batteries in series.
Now you have 4 Volts and a total inner resistance
of 2 Ohm, so if you now short the output,
the 2 batteries deliver 4 volts and 2 amps, so also 8 Watts !
So you see, the same applies here with the AC setup of Dave by just using
transformers.
You add up source inner resistance and thus the output current
is lower and thus the energy conservation always applies...
But it could be different , if you look at pulses traveling from
both sides to a center point on a transmission line or a coil wire !
I will have a deeper look now into this.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hmm,
by looking at the first animation picture of this page:
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html
I wonder, if the added up wave hill will really have more energy ?
Normally we just build the integral over the pulse area,
so we just see, how much area is beneath the pulse curve
until the ground line to see how much energy a pulse has.
Now if you watch closely, I don?t think the
superpositioned pulse will have more area under
its curve, than the 2 single pulses alone , or am I wrong ?!
You also have to count in the duration of the pulses
and as they superimpose, the question is,
when do we start to extract energy and
what is the source resistance of the 2 pulses ?
Does the voltage just collapse, if we apply a real load resistor ?
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I get what you are saying about the battery sources and the power outputs and resistive doubling, but Dave's setup seems a bit different, for instance...
First off, I can't get any simulations going that produce the output that Dave's scopes are showing. It's a very simple setup, why aren't the sims working.
Probably, because they already count in the source and load resistance ?
Another thing, the output he is seeing in volts across the resistor is double the amplitude of the two sine waves. It certainly seems like superposition.
One thing is for sure in all this, is you are inputing two sine waves with 1V pk-pk and they somehow combine with no energy input by you, and at the output they are now 2V pk-pk, that then is a for sure 2 times energy gain. A 2V pk-pk sine wave has 4 times the energy of a 1V pk-pk sine wave...
This only applies for open output and no load resistor or
very high ohmic load resistor !
So in real world application when you want to draw
power from it, just calculate the load resistor,
where you get the most power out and you find:
Rload=Rsource.
As Rsource is doubled you must also double
Rload, so your current is 4 times less and
thus you will not draw more power out !
If this would be this simple, it would
have been discovered long ago !
Regards, Stefan.
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If you look again at:
super1.gif
(the first animation picture in:)
http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/superposition/superposition.html
it gets clear,
that a trick might be to put a load only at the transmission
line in the center, when the waves are at position 5 to 15.
As the 2 waves also change positions, when you
look from the center 10 you see,
that each wave is once left to the 10 and then right to the
center 10 and the other wave is first right to the 10 and
then left to the 10 !
This means for a short moment the pulse width is 2 times much wider
! This event also occurs 2 times shortly after each other !
In regard to the SM coil setup this could mean, that the bigger
pulse width corresponds to a lower frequency
and that the collector coil dimensions might just be tuned exactly to
this lower pulse width frequency component !
So then the collector coil is acting as a tuned resonance coil
which will be energized 2 times with this bigger pulse width lower
frequency pulse and as this is will transfer a lot of energy
it could be fed back and a selfresonance can be acommplished
this way...
I hope this has gotten clear somehow,
otherwise ask...
The trick seems to tap the 2 pulses 2 times as long then
via this setup which is done by tuning
the collector coil to a 2 times lower frequency via
its dimensions (length or wire and diameter and capacitance
of wire) !
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P.S. As my hobby is music I tried to design in earlier time
harmonizer circuit for music electronics, etc...
There is an analog circuity, that can half the frequency
of a sine wave.
it works by switching the polarity of the sine wave,
when the sine wave is at the center of the lower hill (valley).
Then the sine wave is inverted at this level and will
continue down for another period,
so the frequency is halfed.
(Okay, the half frequency sine wave
then looks a bit distorted, but the principle works,
only has a bit of harmonic distortion in it)
ALSO THE AMPLITUDE IS DOUBLED this way, so it seems this new
halfed frequency has more power in it !
Maybe we can do it this way also with the SM devices, if we tune
the output coils to half the frequency of the input kick
pulses of the control coils wrapped around the output coils !
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Hi Stefan and All,
It?s been a while since I have posted here, WOW lots of progress I see. GREAAT work Dave with your setup. I think you are definitely onto something here. I think I may have the solution to address all the input vs. output questions floating around. If we have problems figuring out if Dave is really drawing more power from the source to run the load, then how about running the load without drawing any power from the source at all.
This is what I think I have been able to do with my circuit setup. I have made two versions of it, one using only diodes and a piece of anything metal, and the other version uses a small 1:1 transformer (toroidal by the way). I have made a series of videos of the first circuit and I will be making a better video of the second one this week to post but I thought now would be the first time to introduce this.
I have been able to successfully generate enough power to run a series of LEDs using my first circuit. The only thing is that it runs at a much higher frequency then anything that SM was working with (4-6MHz), but I believe that this has to do with the length of wire that I am using to pull power into the circuit. I attached an image showing the circuit diagram for this first one and a scope shot of the input square wave before and after it was connected to the circuit. And I will upload each video in separate posts. Unfortunately, the camera I used at the time could only take 60 second videos so I had to make 5 separate parts to fit in all the demos. Oh, and they are in QuickTime too. I?ll explain my second circuit next after posting the videos. But I think this may hold the key to producing power without depleting the source. Either that or I have made some kind of weird radio receiver :P
God Bless,
Jason O
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Ok I have a very simple question.
Let's take a closed end toroid e.g. 1000 turns 10 cm radius with a base harmonic for 3.5 MHz
Mark the turn at 12 o'clock as 0
and let's say the turn at 3:00 o'clock as 250 (going clock wise)
Next splice a wire on the 0 turn and a wire at the 250 turn
Next apply a jolt of potential to those 2 wires
Do we have 2 sets of currents going through the toroid?
One current from turn 0 to turn 250 clock wise ( through consecutive turns 0, 1,2, ? 248,249,250 for a total of 250 turns and ? of the toroid)?
The other current from turn 0 to turn 250 counter clock wise (through consecutive turns 0, 999, 998,?252,251,250 for a total of 750 turns or the other ? of the toroid)?
Do we have 2 standing waves rushing through the toroid at opposite rotations at different frequencies and effectively amplifying each other when the amplitudes are in sync?
Shouldn?t there be splice location where max amplification at max freq results?
Possibly at exact opposites?, or some harmonic multiple divisor of 1000 (in the example above 1000 turns were used)
I keep thinking closed toroid since in that video the simplest design about 5" dia (the one he placed on the glass table) there seemed to be no outside power sources driving the toroid
Or maybe use a pm to kick start the proccess intead of an outside VA source.
Any insights will be appreciated. Thx
Well, judging by what SM has said, it's possible to do what you are describing, but, by other descriptions of his layout this is probably not what he's doing, at least in the larger device. The counter rotating fields could easily be accomplished in two separate sets of controls rather than the same wire.
By splicing, do you mean simply soldering a lead at the 250 point? Or closing it completely, and soldering two on? At any rate, there's really no way to know exactly what would happen without actually doing it. Basically, correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just get a hot toroid, as you've just made a big heating element if it's completely closed. You have to have output somewhere, and if you have two input and two out put, you might as well just make a bifilar toroidal xformer and feed it different signals in opposite directions. I may be missing something here, or simply dind't understand you, however.
:)
Rich
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Hi Jason,
seems to be "Avramenko plug",
what you have created there.
One wire electrical energy transfer
done by the Russian inventor Mr.Avramenko.
I also already tried something like this.
Works nicely, the only question is, if you can
extract some "free" electrons from the metal
and have more output this way.
The circuit is closed back to your function generator
capacitively, so what does your circuit draw
from the function generator ?
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Jason,
seems to be "Avramenko plug",
what you have created there.
One wire electrical energy transfer
done by the Russian inventor Mr.Avramenko.
I also already tried something like this.
Works nicely, the only question is, if you can
extract some "free" electrons from the metal
and have more output this way.
The circuit is closed back to your function generator
capacitively, so what does your circuit draw
from the function generator ?
Regards, Stefan.
Stephan, this looks nothing like an AFEP to me. At least the diagrams are completely different than the ones on naudins site.
@Dave, what happens when you feed t3 directly with the two signals? Without going through t1 and t2 first?
Do you have the ability to do that?
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Jason,
have a look at this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/afep01.htm)
If you make the metal bigger and bigger in area,
you could probably attract more free electrons from the air
and get some overunity !
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Hey Stefan,
I can't seem to upload my videos directly to the forum here. So if you can download them from me and post them here, that would be great.
In the mean time, here is some information about my second circuit:
I used a simple 1:1 toroidal transformer (encapsulated in ferrite) along with a full wave rectifier I made out of Germanium diodes and a large cap to store the output power. I noticed that when you connect one lead from the function generator onto the primary of the transformer, and connect the rectifier circuit to the ends of the secondary, that when tuned, the output voltage amplitude can be almost 4 times the amplitude of the input.
Unlike the first circuit, this one ran at a much lower frequency, from 500-600 KHz but the power output was much greater than before. With a voltage input of about 9V from the frequency generator, I was able to produce 37 volts DC from the bridge rectifier at about 11mA which equates to 0.41Watts DC. This power output was achieved with the ground of the function generator connected to the secondary coil of my transformer. I included circuit diagrams of the setup so you all can test and verify the results for yourself. I also took pictures of the actual transformer I used in the experiment if anyone wants to get the exact one I used. All the specs for it are printed on it so I took multiple images of the transformer from different angles to capture all the information written on it. I'm not sure where to get these from since I got mine from the tech guy at my college. As soon as I get a chance, I make another set of videos showing the transformer circuit charging a cap and running a small DC motor. As a note, I marked one connection of the circuit as Optional. The ground lead from the function generator does not need to be connected there but I found that the capacitor charged faster with it connected.
What do you think of having one lead of the function generator connected to each side of the transformer? Does current still flow from the function generator with it connected in this fashion or is it still considered an open circuit?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Stephan, this looks nothing like an AFEP to me. At least the diagrams are completely different than the ones on naudins site.
Well,
it is a shorted out Avramenko plug !
The upper 2 diodes is one leg
and the lower 4 LEDs are the other diodes leg
and it is shorted out at the right side, so
the LEDs just light.
Jason could just have used all LEDs for his diodes,
this would also work.
The coil or metal is used to get attract some
free electrons from the metal and air.
If you make this metal space area bigger,
then you can also get more power out.
Jason use large alufoil pieces and thus collect and catch
free electrons from the air around you.
Good luck.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hey Stefan,
I can't seem to upload my videos directly to the forum here. So if you can download them from me and post them here, that would be great.
In the mean time, here is some information about my second circuit:
I used a simple 1:1 toroidal transformer (encapsulated in ferrite) along with a full wave rectifier I made out of Germanium diodes and a large cap to store the output power. I noticed that when you connect one lead from the function generator onto the primary of the transformer, and connect the rectifier circuit to the ends of the secondary, that when tuned, the output voltage amplitude can be almost 4 times the amplitude of the input.
Unlike the first circuit, this one ran at a much lower frequency, from 500-600 KHz but the power output was much greater than before. With a voltage input of about 9V from the frequency generator, I was able to produce 37 volts DC from the bridge rectifier at about 11mA which equates to 0.41Watts DC. This power output was achieved with the ground of the function generator connected to the secondary coil of my transformer. I included circuit diagrams of the setup so you all can test and verify the results for yourself. I also took pictures of the actual transformer I used in the experiment if anyone wants to get the exact one I used. All the specs for it are printed on it so I took multiple images of the transformer from different angles to capture all the information written on it. I'm not sure where to get these from since I got mine from the tech guy at my college. As soon as I get a chance, I make another set of videos showing the transformer circuit charging a cap and running a small DC motor. As a note, I marked one connection of the circuit as Optional. The ground lead from the function generator does not need to be connected there but I found that the capacitor charged faster with it connected.
What do you think of having one lead of the function generator connected to each side of the transformer? Does current still flow from the function generator with it connected in this fashion or is it still considered an open circuit?
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
this way you have a capacitive coupling between
the primary and secondary coil of at least a few pico
to nanofarad.
At around 500 Khz square wave this is a low resistance ,
so the power comes almost all from your function generator.
See, how much light it will produce more,
if you connect bigger alufoils instead of the coil and
hang them high isolated into the air.
You can transfer the videos to my
FTP site at:
ftp://hartiupload:ftp@ftp.servage.net
or via an FTP Program like Smartftp.com
Server:
ftp.servage.net
user: hartiupload
password: ftp
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Jason,
also have a look at this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm
and this:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep02.htm
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Hi Stefan,
I am uploading the videos now. As for the issue with the capacitive coupling, this can occur rather the ground is connected to the circuit or not? If so, how do I measure the power consumed by the circuit. I have a multimeter to measure the current but since the frequencies I am working with are too high > 20KHz, my meter is no good. I can monitor the input voltage with my scope though. What would you recommend?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Okay Jason,
put a 1 or 10 or 100 Ohm resistor into the groundline
from your function generator before going to the transformer
and measure with your scope the voltage at it.
Don?t ground the scope, as this will shut away the free electrons
to ground.
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Hi Stefan,
I'll try adding the resistors to the setup when I goto take the next video. Does the circuit still draw power from the function generator even when the ground lead is not connected?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Stefan,
I'll try adding the resistors to the setup when I goto take the next video. Does the circuit still draw power from the function generator even when the ground lead is not connected?
God Bless,
Jason O
Yes, surely,
capacitively.
Okay, I will move the videos now to a webpage directory.
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Hi Jason,
your videos are now
here:
http://overunity.com/jason/
You make a closed circuit via the stray capacitance.
If this is a few hundred picofarads, it is a low
resistance at 500 Khz and its harmonics of the square
wave.
So most of the power comes
from the function generator.
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Hi Dave,
That?s an awesome setup you have there! I will be testing your setup to verify the results you are getting. By the way, does this work at any frequency or just a select range? By looking at the three-transformer setup, this got me thinking about how SM uses three collector coils, each with their own rotating field coils. If we were to go with a single-frequency design. One could easily see how the top and bottom control segments could function as the two transformers, and the one in the middle could be the third. That way they are constantly feeding each other, and maybe the feedback could be achieved by inductive coupling between them?? If this is even somewhat true, then I see the importance of tuning off the exact coupling frequency a bit so that the voltages in the system won't multiply exponentially.
By the way, I forgot to include the diagram and pictures from my transformer circuit. Here they are.
God Bless,
Jason O
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I have just tried with 100 ohms load and 10 ohms load. The effect remains. Is this load low enough for you guys?
Regards,
Dave.
Good news, Dave!!!!!
I suggest you try to see the relationship between output power increments vs. input power (changes?) in order to model the device completely. That is, use two different load resistors, measure power out, and see the current in the input for each one (then calculate power in the input). It is good a current sensor as Stefan said, using a resistor (low, 1 to 10 ohm) just in series between generator ground output and your input and measure voltage. If a power increment in the output does not have any change in the input, then we have the best result. If there is a relationship and it is linear (K), it would be good if k with superimposed is >1 (consider power relationship, not voltages).
Good luck !!!
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Ok I have a very simple question.
Let's take a closed end toroid e.g. 1000 turns 10 cm radius with a base harmonic for 3.5 MHz
Mark the turn at 12 o'clock as 0
and let's say the turn at 3:00 o'clock as 250 (going clock wise)
Next splice a wire on the 0 turn and a wire at the 250 turn
Next apply a jolt of potential to those 2 wires
Do we have 2 sets of currents going through the toroid?
One current from turn 0 to turn 250 clock wise ( through consecutive turns 0, 1,2, ? 248,249,250 for a total of 250 turns and ? of the toroid)?
The other current from turn 0 to turn 250 counter clock wise (through consecutive turns 0, 999, 998,?252,251,250 for a total of 750 turns or the other ? of the toroid)?
Do we have 2 standing waves rushing through the toroid at opposite rotations at different frequencies and effectively amplifying each other when the amplitudes are in sync?
Shouldn?t there be splice location where max amplification at max freq results?
Possibly at exact opposites?, or some harmonic multiple divisor of 1000 (in the example above 1000 turns were used)
I keep thinking closed toroid since in that video the simplest design about 5" dia (the one he placed on the glass table) there seemed to be no outside power sources driving the toroid
Or maybe use a pm to kick start the proccess intead of an outside VA source.
Any insights will be appreciated. Thx
Well, judging by what SM has said, it's possible to do what you are describing, but, by other descriptions of his layout this is probably not what he's doing, at least in the larger device. The counter rotating fields could easily be accomplished in two separate sets of controls rather than the same wire.
By splicing, do you mean simply soldering a lead at the 250 point? Or closing it completely, and soldering two on? At any rate, there's really no way to know exactly what would happen without actually doing it. Basically, correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just get a hot toroid, as you've just made a big heating element if it's completely closed. You have to have output somewhere, and if you have two input and two out put, you might as well just make a bifilar toroidal xformer and feed it different signals in opposite directions. I may be missing something here, or simply dind't understand you, however.
:)
Rich
Yes I meant soldering a wire at 0 turn and another wire at 250 turn. The toroid is closed it self also.
Thanks for the reply.
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:)hi
as we are to switch two 50hz transformers in series what would the output frequency be?
close to the 100 hz lightning?
anybody knows? its because of the experiment i dont know to put them series or paralell.
in paralell would trigger the overload switch i think but in the series strange things can happen.
greets marco.
Hi marco,
Consider all in phase, when you ?add? the same signal, freq is always the same. You are adding if you connect in series (voltages) or parallel (currents). Maths: Acoswt + Acoswt = 2Acoswt
When you ?multiply? the same signal by itself, there are two outputs: a DC component and a signal with double freq. Maths: Acoswt * Acoswt = (1/2)A^2 + (1/2)(A^2)cos2wt
Your are multiplying if one signal varies the gain of a circuit that ?carries? the other signal (?beating? freqs, in the RF language).
(All in phase).
It will be good to think about what happen if you multiply and add (collect) in a closed loop: probably you have a bigger and bigger DC component with a higher and higher freq ripple (notice, higher freq, is not equivalent to higher amplitude). Even, it has sense the Stefan?s idea about Barkhausen effect: translate a broadband spectrum of low power signals and to add them at the same point. The problem is: How to build it?
Regards
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Dave, that's what I meant, feed t3 with two in phase sine sources to replace t1 and t2.
This is all very interesting, and you may have stumbled upon something here, but the problem I have with it, is, where are the kicks? Have we stopped looking for them? If this is the true operation of SMs TPU, then why all the talk about kicks? Why did we look for them for so long. I guess we would be using one signal from the earth, and one man made one, and relying on chance superposition to create kicks?
If that's the case, why not just do this instead. It's much more controllable.
Also, although your set up was odd, and it could be posited that science would have over looked it because they would see no point in making a circuit like this; If you simplify it by removing T1, and T2, and Pumping T3 with two sine waves, and they still add, then science probably WOULD have stumbled upon this by now. See what I mean?
I'm not trying to rain on the parade, I just think we really need to perform due diligence here.
Also, have we thought about closing the loop? Or wiring the output of this to another similar device? Feeding T1 and T2 of another setup with T3 of your current device, and seeing if it continues to rise? If so, throw a fuse between the two, and close the loop, so it can't runaway. (I know it's not quite that simple)
My mind is kind of reeling at the moment, between being giddy, and skeptical, and bummed out that we are not seeing any SM type phenomena. No earth's magnetic field, no kicks, etc.
Also at some point we'll have to try this with toroidal xformers.
Regards,
Rich.
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Have just purchased the 5U4G Valve, just need rest of the circuit diagram!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5U4G-BEH-Electro-Harmonix-Tubes-Valves_W0QQitemZ180029391178QQihZ008QQcategoryZ39997QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Dave.
here ya go, Dave :)
you probably didn't need to go out and buy a 5U4 though
you could "simulate" a 5U4 with 2 diodes & a resistor .
but it shouldn't really matter, either way is good :)
good luck !
(http://www.mydatabus.com/2e/tvf.arg/joseph01/5U4simple.jpg)
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Hi Dave,
That?s an awesome setup you have there! I will be testing your setup to verify the results you are getting. By the way, does this work at any frequency or just a select range? By looking at the three-transformer setup, this got me thinking about how SM uses three collector coils, each with their own rotating field coils. If we were to go with a single-frequency design. One could easily see how the top and bottom control segments could function as the two transformers, and the one in the middle could be the third. That way they are constantly feeding each other, and maybe the feedback could be achieved by inductive coupling between them?? If this is even somewhat true, then I see the importance of tuning off the exact coupling frequency a bit so that the voltages in the system won't multiply exponentially.
By the way, I forgot to include the diagram and pictures from my transformer circuit. Here they are.
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
It can work on many frequencys, once you get too high >>1Mhz it doesnt work but thats just because the transformer cannot work at such high frequency.
I have just tried with 100 ohms load and 10 ohms load. The effect remains. Is this load low enough for you guys?
I see what you are saying about the 3 coils! But it doesnt expalin 90 degree coupling to the collectors?
Also it wouldnt be DC with AC hash? (if the effect is real at all).
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
From what I understand, the 90 degree coupling is not a direct phenomena but a result of the rotating magnetic field created by the control coils. The only way to directly couple two 90 degree coils is with the kicks. I've been thinking about this for a while (and about the comments Stefan made about my setup) and it occurred to me that the capacitive coupling created by the abruptly changing voltage is what creates the spikes and current flow. SO, if you can imagine the wire acting like a capacitor that you are tapping, and this cap is part of a resonant circuit, then you can essentially tank it up for free?
This is all purely speculation but at this point, I am trying to determine if I can create a pulsing voltage signal in a coil using the one-wire technique and induce oscillations in another coil without expending any power from the source. I plan to accomplish this simply by charging a large capacitor to a high voltage (100-200V, and use a MOSFET to switch the cap on and off into the primary of my transformer. Since I would only have one wire from the coil attached to the switching circuit, My guess is that the cap won't get drained from the pulses, but since I am creating large static voltage spikes in the coil, I can induce oscillations in the second coil (if this is a transformer) via capacitive coupling, and run the circuit. I have already experimentally determined that the voltage gain can be as much as 4, so if I rectify the voltage to DC, I can use it to charge my cap to a higher voltage and pulse the coil at higher and higher voltages! But at the moment, I am at a loss trying to figure out how to make a good switching circuit for this. I have a bunch of 555 timers to use but I'm not sure how to correctly connect them to drive the MOSFETS to pulse the cap into my primary. What do you think?
God Bless,
Jason O
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agreed, Dave !
best to start as close to SM's circiut as possible .
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As SM told, he used a silicon rectifier BETWEEN the power transformer and the tube plates.
Besides, without the tube it seems to be impossible to analise the interaction between the heater AC and the rectified voltage.
well, all ya need to do, is connect a low ohm resistor to the filiment windings, and the doides between the plate & one side of the filiment windings in the transformer as you said & it SHOULD work the same way, but if Dave is getting the 5U4 anyway then there is no problem .
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Hi Jason,
Your one wire thing is interesting. It reminds me of something I tested a while back.
Get a high voltage transformer, one that can make a spark jump (mine was 50kV). Now on the secondary have one end tied to ground and the other end is simply placed near a screw driver.
Turn the thing on and a spark will jump to the screw driver, but the screw driver is not connected to anything. The screw driver is able to give up some electrons or accept some, you can place a current meter (needle coil one) and see a current flow with the open ended circuit!
But next, un-tie the ground of the secondary, so the end is floating and the other end is still near the screw driver, does it still spark over ;)
Hi Dave,
Hmmm this experiment sounds interesting, I'll definitely try it :-).
Presumably as your voltage increases your current will decrease so you will not be able to charge the cap as quickly?
Ok, please correct me if I am wrong here, but from what I understand (which could be wrong), I do not actually have a flow of current through the primary of my transformer because it is not a complete circuit. So if I am using the MOSFET to switch the voltage signal on and off into my coil (keep in mind that the other end of the coil is not grounded to the cap!) I can still generate a voltage and current in the secondary winding. This I can use the tank up my source cap up to a higher value because I *don't think* my cap is actualy getting discharged in this process.
The transistor switching should be easy. Just place the transistor between the cap and the coil. If you want to charge between discharges then I suggest you put the 555 output in to a 4013 flipflop, then you can have two outputs at 180 degree phase. You can charge the cap in one cycle and discharge it else where on the other.
Also your 555 on time will need to reflect the time constant of the circuit so that you can make sure there is enough time to charge the cap before you try and discharge it!
Regards,
Dave
Hmmm this sounds interesting, except that I have no intention of tapping the capacitor for power! Ultimitely I will use the coils, that are at the moment in the transformer, to create a rotating field and then I will produce power in my collector coils that way! And since my rotating field coils are pulsing, I can induce electrostatic spikes and whatever the rotating field produces into the collectors all at the same time :) Also, since the rotating field is really just squeezing the electrons around inside the toroid, I think that is where the DC output comes from?? The RF component could be the spikes that are being picked up from the control coils' rotatiing fields! Any thoughts?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Dave, that's what I meant, feed t3 with two in phase sine sources to replace t1 and t2.
This is all very interesting, and you may have stumbled upon something here, but the problem I have with it, is, where are the kicks? Have we stopped looking for them? If this is the true operation of SMs TPU, then why all the talk about kicks? Why did we look for them for so long. I guess we would be using one signal from the earth, and one man made one, and relying on chance superposition to create kicks?
If that's the case, why not just do this instead. It's much more controllable.
Also, although your set up was odd, and it could be posited that science would have over looked it because they would see no point in making a circuit like this; If you simplify it by removing T1, and T2, and Pumping T3 with two sine waves, and they still add, then science probably WOULD have stumbled upon this by now. See what I mean?
I'm not trying to rain on the parade, I just think we really need to perform due diligence here.
Also, have we thought about closing the loop? Or wiring the output of this to another similar device? Feeding T1 and T2 of another setup with T3 of your current device, and seeing if it continues to rise? If so, throw a fuse between the two, and close the loop, so it can't runaway. (I know it's not quite that simple)
My mind is kind of reeling at the moment, between being giddy, and skeptical, and bummed out that we are not seeing any SM type phenomena. No earth's magnetic field, no kicks, etc.
Also at some point we'll have to try this with toroidal xformers.
Regards,
Rich.
Rich,
I see what you are saying. I have found it essentially impossible to use one transformer with two sine inputs. The frequencys have to match 100% to the dot and the phases have to be 100% perfect or they will not add. I have not been able to do this with two sine sources its too precise for what I have.
Thus I devised a way to create this perfect frequency and phase match by splitting it and adding back again.
I have not forgotten about the kicks or anything, I was lead somewhere and I thought it worth posting.
Everyone seems against it so I suggest we just drop it. Maybe its too far off topic of maybe I am just talking crap? After all I am just a hobbiest, Im not an engineer by trade. In my working life I work for an international medical rescue company co-ordinating rescue of injured British Citizens abroad. I have done this for 12 years, before this I studied electronics and have taught myself from then onwards.
So, back to the kicks, I have tons of test equipment so if anyone has any ideas on how we can create them I am all ears for ideas I can test for the group and post back.
Kosh is building the valve and power supply that SM started with, perhaps he can post this diagram and we can build this too?
Regards,
Dave.
Well, I think you took this entirely the wrong way.
I'm not saying to throw the baby out with the bathwater, your results speak for themselves. And no we're not all sying your crazy, or it's impossible.
There is a burden that any FE researcher must carry. Once you have achieved results, you have to confirm it with every possible test, that is all. You have to TRY to invalidate it with every means necessary to prove that it's valid. If it cannot withstand our own scrutiny, how will it ever withstand the scrutiny of mainstream science? We have to be our own toughest critics. How many designs have you seen that it is eventually discredited due to bad measurement.
If we have accidentally discovered another type of FE while trying to back-engineering the SM device.. . Thats FINE.. It's just not the specific thing we were looking for. If in fact you have discovered something here. Something that is so straight forward, that someone can build with PC power supply parts, and bits of wire, PERFECT. AWESOME.
Let me explain something about your setup.
It's easier to build than SM's device.
It's easier to control than SM's device.
It's easier to maintain operation than SM's device.
It's easier to cool than SM's device.
So do not mistake my saying that I was skeptical, and bummed out, that I meant it's impossible, and off topic.
I just meant that it seemed to be not very SM like, and that it needed further testing.. Does that mean it's useless in this discussion?
If it works... HELL NO.
Rich.
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For now I will be working on the valve power supply and going over SM posts agains. So the valve can be seen to have DC with AC signal in it? Hmm similar to TPU output! Perhaps we have been looking in the wrong place for kicks. Perhaps an interaction in the earths field can happen with pulsed DC signal and an AC signal in the same wire or something?
Regards,
Dave.
yup Dave
there defanatly will be AC riding on the DC output of this type of pwr supply (and many other types)
just make sure that you don't use the filter cap on the output side & you should see it for yourself :)
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The secondary of the Filament transformer is essentially floating and as such reflects the voltage and waveform of the full wave rectified output. There should be no interaction (or very little) between the 2 voltages, mostly because the filament transformer secondary is floating. This is how one would WANT the power supply to work, and it does indeed seem to do what it is supposed to.
The tube "catode" is connected on the midpoint of the filament in your 5U4 model.
At that point there will be NO voltage due to the 5Vac.
Try editing your 5U4 model and connect the catode to one end of the filament.
yes, that's true !
and I get the impression that z_p_e is using a computer simulation ??
if so, then he's not likely to find anything strange,
what we are looking for is not likely to show up in a computer simulation,
you need to build "the real thing" :)
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Jason,
Sorry mate. I realise what you are saying now, applogies.
I guess that you could use a FET between one side of your cap and the primary. Of course no current will flow if the other end of the primary is not connected to anything. But whether this will work, you will have to try. I mean if the original signal was coming from say a 555 timer, its output is only an internal transistor anyway? So if you use a charged cap and a transistor with open ended primary, surley you have the same thing but larger?!
Also, in the version with 555 timer and open ended primary, its a bit like the HV thing I mentioned. There may be no current flow as such, but the free electrons can bunch up on one end of the wire and then the other depending on the potential at the 555 output. So you get longitudinal oscillation of electrons in the wire, but no closed loop current. These will of course create a magnetic field as they move and this will couple with your secondary like an antenna?!
So, looking from this angle, will charged cap, with mosfet and open primary still work>!
I guess if you have a greater potential switching at one end of the wire, the longitudinal compression in the wire will be stronger the thus stronger magnetic field, but the cap cannot changes its potential? Unless you have two caps, with two fets. One cap is the other way around, one fet is P type. Then you can switch the base of the coil between potentials while leaving the other end open and create this longitudinal movement!
Dave.
Hi Dave,
You got it! And I have good news for you. I KNOW THIS WORKS!! I have already built the transformer circuit and I pulsed it with one wire from my function generator and it will indeed induce oscillations in the secondary! the most power I got out of it was about 0.5W with about 9V RMS input from the function generator, but I noticed that the power increases linearly with the voltage input so Vout = 4 * Vin with my particular setup. Now, the current isn't very high but as I showed in my demo videos, just adding a piece of something metal in the circuit increases the current output!
Could you perhaps send me a diagram showing how to properly connect the MOSFET, the cap and the 555 timer? I want to make sure that the pulse part at least works right as I know from experimentation that the rest will work :-). I heard something about needing to ground the base of the MOSFET to keep it from switching on by itself but since my circuit is not grounded and I don't want to make any kind of complete circuit with the cap, how do I deal with that problem?
God Bless,
Jason O
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Darren,
Just thinking. SM says the kicks in the valve he saw were interaction with the earths magnetic field? Unless your simulation can add this factor, I do not think you will see anything? Its time for a real version! I will post once I have put it together.
Regards,
Dave.
yeah Dave
that's one of the factors I had in mind, when I said that computer simulations won't work .
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Hi Darren,
I have just performed a simulation. In the simulation the voltages do not add.
When I compare the phases they are not 100% aligned either. So the software will not add them?
In any event, as you all say, the voltage cannot do this, its impossible? So why are we looking for it in simulation software that is designed to follow the rules?
Everyone is telling me it cannot happen but has anyone built a real circuit to prove it is right or wrong?
We are here to challenge our knowledge and push past our conventional training. I post something that may be odd and I get shot down in flames by people who are supposedly on a free energy forum because they have open minds and want to look for the answer? Yet no one builds it, they just tell me its crap. With this attitude, no free energy device will come from this forum?
In any case, I posted this asking for peoples thoughts. I did not come on here saying I have found free energy. But you would never believe it from the responses, anyone would think I came claiming I have discovered OU in a circuit that is so simple you will laugh?
Dave.
Dave, you did put the 2 first transformers in parallel.
This way the voltages will not add.
You must put them in series.
But as the impedance will also add, there is no power gain !
Please can you try th circuit I suggested with 2 noise generators into
the 2 x 12 Volts coils out of phase and post the voltage at the 240 Volts coil output ?
Many thanks.
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I sent this site out earlier.
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Earlier back many pages. I don't recall anybody else mentioning this.
My famous statement is could be wrong!
With the square wave appeared BEMF.
With the two beat frequencies, SM3 & SM6 uses one then the earth's. The SM17 uses 2 of it's own. The 17" is not cylindrically at the wavelength of the freq inherent with the earth. The other two are. Now with any two freqs against each other there appearsa harmonic.
The idea here was to get the Kick from each BEMF to harmonize at the coil edge. That is 3 of the elements needed. The fourth element is tuning which now the collector/antennaes at the right distance would be of the correct parameters to be in tune with the Freak wave harmonic.
Thus power out. The fifth element is us. Just like the movie. What are the potentials.
I stated this before. Search on Freak wave.
I also posted a wave testing site to allow the simulations of harmonics. Did anybody go there? Has anybody read anything?
I don't want to see anybody waste their time. This work is very relevent. With the potential products and applications that I previously mentioned I see this variable high speed magnetic vortex the next big leap for mankind. The SM devices are just a part.
Could I be wrong?
Thank you for your time. I'll put my head down now...
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Dave, you did put the 2 first transformers in parallel.
This way the voltages will not add.
You must put them in series.
But as the impedance will also add, there is no power gain !
Please can you try th circuit I suggested with 2 noise generators into
the 2 x 12 Volts coils out of phase and post the voltage at the 240 Volts coil output ?
Many thanks.
Stefan,
The two transformers were in PARALLEL! The voltages ADDs when the signals are IN PHASE 100%.
Well Dave, in your earlier posted schematics, you didput the first 2 transformer?s output coils in series,
then the voltage adds up, but not, when you put them in parallel,
then only the output current adds up.
You probably mixed this up..
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Have a nice holiday !
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I have no idea what I would be looking for (even if I was set up to build a pwr supply),
but I think I would know if something is happening that's not SUPPOSED to be happening ,
and if SM could find it, then so could we .
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Here are 2 shots of my progress.
The coil (PE6-1), driver board, logic board, power supply, clock timer control, and coil driver cables and a coil to coil jumper.
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No sir. I have no alternate defination other that what you have said.
Tesla worked this also.
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Here are 2 shots of my progress.
The coil (PE6-1), driver board, logic board, power supply, clock timer control, and coil driver cables and a coil to coil jumper.
Nice setup.
I wonder, why you drill the coil?s ends, before they go to the connectors on the board ?
This way you have the coil?s end wire too close together and if you have high voltage
pulses on them, they might break the isolation and make a shortout at this place,
so don?t do this...
How are you driving the coils on the toroid ?
According to this,only electronically ?
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif
By the way here are all the old files:
http://overunity.com/stevenmark/
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dave,
i think that was what tesla was studying. the kicks that he was studying were exactly that, the ones that occured and were killing people when the circuit was turned on. i think stevens analogy of thinking of a wire several miles long and being able to stop the current before it got to the other end, may be the fly in the ointment. so to speak! with that in mind do you still think your experiment that showed this kick is still in total error?
lol
sam
ps: i guess you were busy while i was at the nascar race in talledega yesterday. great experiment with the sign wave and transformers. looks like very reproducible kicks to me to. that is if you know how to read a scope. ;)
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@Dave,
maybe you can just drive the 2 x 12 Volts transformer with the same noise generator
and just see, if the 240 Volts output cancels all out ?
There might be still some output, when you use noise as the source and drive the core
with it into saturation,so the input should at least be 0.5 Watts or so...
Many thanks.
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One more time, Dave!
I can't believe my engineering eyes.?!./!?.1/???
And I believe you showed the current as the same? I forgot. It's been such a long time ago, so many posts...
But the jury is in and verdict is Guilty of doubling the voltage from nothing. All in favor say aye! AYE!
What prestidigitation is next?
And no, I don't have scope shots yet. Am still putting the last wires on. I just don't have the time. Ya know, with this huge stream of posts. Well, I'm just overwhelmed. Not just whelmed. I gotta go see my therapist tomorrow. The meds have worn off and I like what I have been seeing from your tests and others tests.
Congrats. I believe now. Didn't you say you're a medical supply person? Well I am a financial database programmer and hate electronics. But that is where I have a patent. Go figure?
Thanks for the hard effort. Now git yerself a beer and put your feet up. Your results can be added to Marco's coil kick results.
It has been a good day!
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@Dave,
In line with your scope shot request: what are you using, pc & sound card, pc card & software combo? I have the Heathkit with only a screen and data outputs.
I also can't find the schem to the 8/16 trace scope add on. But I will keep looking. The circuit is pretty simple though.
8 channels are fed to a 74151 which are addressed with a 74193. That is clocked by a 555. the 193s are wired to a 7404 hex inverter(only 4 are used) then to a resistor ladder and out to the scope. Only works for ttl as 74 series.
Thanks, giantkiller.
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@Dave,
maybe you can just drive the 2 x 12 Volts transformer with the same noise generator
and just see, if the 240 Volts output cancels all out ?
There might be still some output, when you use noise as the source and drive the core
with it into saturation,so the input should at least be 0.5 Watts or so...
Many thanks.
Stefan, Could you, please, explain more about the bold sentence ?
Thanks
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Steven said it is like a antenna, think of it as a magnetic collector tricking part of the Earth's field into thinking it is part of the generated field and then collapsing through the windings with the origanal field.
The 1 on the left has clockwise innercoils and CCW outer, the center one has 6 sections instead of 4(romancing inertial force, the right 1 has all clockwize wraps with a longitudal wrap to check for output there. Check the pic with the large coil closely and the output wire position on the 6 inch coil and you will see why I did that.
Stephen your going to be mad at me, I down sized the pic with photo shop and then screwed up and posted the full sized one. I don't know how to delete it. I tried to swap it with edit and it was trying to add the right pic on top of it. I stopped before that happened. No use adding insult on top of injury. Could you please wipe it for me?
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I see you used a higher gauge wire than Marco. I have used 16 gauge and believe that a signal generator output needs amplification to drive that much copper.
That is a good looking coil. Why don't you put it up as your avatar?
giantkiller.
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@dave
attached scope 8/16 schem
Merry Christmas to all.
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oops
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@Dave,
maybe you can just drive the 2 x 12 Volts transformer with the same noise generator
and just see, if the 240 Volts output cancels all out ?
There might be still some output, when you use noise as the source and drive the core
with it into saturation,so the input should at least be 0.5 Watts or so...
Many thanks.
Here you go...
Many thanks, but what circuit diagram was used for the 3 scope shots ?
You can just describe it.
What voltage levels did you feed the transformers with ?
12 Volts peek to peek or lower ?
Many thanks Dave.
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Guys, see this quote from SM. What it seems to me he is saying is that the earths field produces lorentz force on these electrons when they first move, so they are helped along by this. This means they have more energy in total that was given by the supply?
If you break down what he's saying, I cannot see what else he can mean?
"The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.
SMALL KICK. Those words mean a great deal. It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the earth and simple electrons running through wires. It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY. I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible. They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it. Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . . There in lies the secret my friend."
Does anyone interpret this differently or see another meaning?
Regards,
Dave.
thats exactly what i mean....
you have in your hands an "object" wich is moving slowly forward.
but..... you think its standing still because you are also moving slowly forward........
two in the same direction "looks" like nothing.
now if you change the direction of one of the two then you would see the effect.
its like hitting the brakes and turning the wheel and accellerating again in a diffrent direction.
so as you grab it again its going to break stop and speedup again until it moving along with you again.
sorry if you dont know what i mean.
marco
Hi Marco and Dave et. All
I am following you guys here and I would like to offer up an analogy of what you guys are stating above. Let me know if we are on the same wavelength here. You know when you get up out of your seat in an airplane and you get "pushed" back down? That is what I am imagining.
Regards
Joe
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Also the device would need to be a certain way up for the lorentz force to act in the right direction, so turning upside down could stop it like Darren says.
Think of it as a positive feedback due to Earth's magnetic field when the TPU is at the correct orientation and a negative feedback when not.
Maybe this positive feedback is what we need to generate and maintain some form of oscillation.
I had a phone conversation with Peter Lindemann a while back and we got to talking about some of Gray and Tesla's work. We spoke about the exact same thing SM described when he threw the switch on the dynamos. He eplained to me that what Gray found was that when you "pop" a circuit with a burst of power, via a spark gap, or some other instantaneous method voltage rises to compensate for the lack of a current path. He said that there is actually an equivalence between voltage and current at aproximately 10,000 to One, volts to amps. And that potential absolutely has to have a path once introduced to a wire. If it doesn't it will rise to compensate, how much will it rise? Depends on the resistance of the wire itself. He said it's all explained in either "the secrets of cold war technology" by Vasilatos, or "on light and other high frequency phenomena" by Tesla. I can't remember which one. At any rate, that would explain the kick quite nicely.
What happens when the equivalence is met? A current path is again created, and hence a magnetic field. Protons in the copper try desperately to align with the local magnetic field, as this new current flows. The local magnetic field being the earths. However, due to spin they are like little gyroscopes and cannot align perfectly right away, they have to sort of wobble towards it, this is called precession. Protonic precession causes eddy currents in metals in a close proximity (think metal detectors). Now what metals do we have in close proximity to this process? Why, The collector coils.
So now we have gyroscopic force, heat, due to the eddy currents, and power out of nowhere.
Of course this all hinges on whether Lindemann was right, and hence Tesla, or Vassilatos.
The diagram I have posted back on whatever page that was, is designed specifically with these things in mind. As well as other things that SM/Mannix described, such as the spinning up effect, and the turbine forces. It's bifilar because of the descriptions of the "mystery" poster, which SM called essentially correct. (why we haven't tested that setup yet, I have no idea... but I cannot throw stones as I'm not a builder.)
At any rate, make of this as you wish. But if I had equipment, this is what I'd be testing.
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Hi Dave,
Have a great break, and I want to say, good work, your experimenting, and like i said before, its more than it's worth, the rewards can be surreal.
Fantatstic.
I've been reading these posts daily, keeping upto date on whats happening and saving whats relevant.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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@Dave,
maybe you can just drive the 2 x 12 Volts transformer with the same noise generator
and just see, if the 240 Volts output cancels all out ?
There might be still some output, when you use noise as the source and drive the core
with it into saturation,so the input should at least be 0.5 Watts or so...
Many thanks.
Here you go...
Many thanks, but what circuit diagram was used for the 3 scope shots ?
You can just describe it.
What voltage levels did you feed the transformers with ?
12 Volts peek to peek or lower ?
Many thanks Dave.
The same as my 3 transformer experiment from before, but this time I fed whitenoise instead. So white noise is fed in to the two transformers in parallel, then I changed the phases between the two transformers output in to the 3rd transformer to get results. In in parellel and in phase the voltages adds again, outof phase it cancels to nothing.
Dave.
Dave,
Have you tried to use a white noise generator on one transforner and the 1khz signal source on the other? I am thinking your last go at the white noise test failed due to the fact the signal source was the same in both, maybe 2 separate signal sources so they are sufficiently randomized?
Just a thought.
BTW, I have finally got my second coil built and have been testing, I have been noticing that the length of the collector coil will impact the percieved frequency, i.e. the frequency input into the tickler coil (square wave at what ever frequency) will multiply itself in the collector. I feel this is due to the wavelength of the "Antenna" collector coil. and what it will resonate at. I am looking to adjust/tune the resonace of the collector coil to bring it to a harmonic of 7.8hz or maybe 925hz.
I should be able to post some data on my experiements this weekend, been rather busy with family duties so I have been squeezing testing in when possible.
regards,
Carl
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Hey guys, I've been silently following this since day 1, I didn't have anything to add to further the progress so I have kept quiet. One way to maybe understand the operation of the TPU that might help, is how the kicks progress into generating usable electricity, I use the analogy of feedback between two Nextel phones or a mic and amplifier scenario. You can make a cluck sound, aim the mic into the face of the amp & depending on the distance from the amp it's easy to vary the intensity of the feedback.....
I figured I'd toss this out there for those who maybe following as well, but yet don't quite still have a solid understanding of how it operates....
Good or bad analogy?
My financed .02
As you guys were.... (not intending to dissuade the discussion)
-art
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Hey guys, I've been silently following this since day 1, I didn't have anything to add to further the progress so I have kept quiet. One way to maybe understand the operation of the TPU that might help, is how the kicks progress into generating usable electricity, I use the analogy of feedback between two Nextel phones or a mic and amplifier scenario. You can make a cluck sound, aim the mic into the face of the amp & depending on the distance from the amp it's easy to vary the intensity of the feedback.....
I figured I'd toss this out there for those who maybe following as well, but yet don't quite still have a solid understanding of how it operates....
Good or bad analogy?
My financed .02
As you guys were.... (not intending to dissuade the discussion)
-art
Raptor, the acoustical feedback is closely related to what Dave had done with this two xformers. What happens in an acoustical feedback system is the source and output become acoustically couple with 0 degrees phase shift and it creates a runaway db gain system. Dave has basically done this with electrical sine waves. The difference being that accoustical feed back is done via proximity of the source and output since it's an acoustical system, and hence is closed loop when too close. Daves superposition is created manually. We we still don't know if it's possible to close the loop yet, however, if you've ever seen a speaker stack explode because of feedback, you know the danger. We'd have to be very careful with closing the loop on dave's system. Dave you might want to copyright that as "electrical art". Just a thought.
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Hi Dave
Your setup with the 3 tansformers look very interessting to me.
Here is a little idea to kill all doubts about this setup.
This little circuit is like an electronic fuse. The page I linked is in german language, but the circuit is very simple, so there would be no problem for you to understand.
http://www.bayer-soft.de/elektro/strombeg/konstant.htm
Install this between your wave generator and T1 and T2. Perhaps you have to install a load (i.e. resistance, better would be a poti) in parallel to the both tranformers to ensure a certain current (i.e. 100 mA).
Without a load on T3, adjust the "fuse" now with the poti, so that you are able to messure a voltage on the output of T3.
Next step would be to connect a load to T3 and see if the "electronic fuse" reacts (switch off the power) or not.
If not then you got it. Power from nowhere!!!
Otherwise the fuse will switch off, and you will know that this "extrapower" on T3 was drawn from your wave generator.
Good luck with it.
Waiting for results.
kr
2tiger
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Hi Dave
Your setup with the 3 tansformers look very interessting to me.
Here is a little idea to kill all doubts about this setup.
This little circuit is like an electronic fuse. The page I linked is in german language, but the circuit is very simple, so there would be no problem for you to understand.
http://www.bayer-soft.de/elektro/strombeg/konstant.htm
Install this between your wave generator and T1 and T2. Perhaps you have to install a load (i.e. resistance, better would be a poti) in parallel to the both tranformers to ensure a certain current (i.e. 100 mA).
Without a load on T3, adjust the "fuse" now with the poti, so that you are able to messure a voltage on the output of T3.
Next step would be to connect a load to T3 and see if the "electronic fuse" reacts (switch off the power) or not.
If not then you got it. Power from nowhere!!!
Otherwise the fuse will switch off, and you will know that this "extrapower" on T3 was drawn from your wave generator.
Good luck with it.
Waiting for results.
kr
2tiger
Hi! Very good idea! I guess this is one way to tell for sure where the power is from!
There are many tests to perform with this yet to be sure of anything.
It maybe as Rich said a good idea to copyright it. Any free energy device that comes from this forum should be free for everyone and not allowed to be suppressed or stolen by someone or a patent issued on it for no patented free energy device will ever come to market. People out there may think that they are above suppression and they can patent something and we will all be driving round in fuelless cars and living on houses off the grid with free energy. This will not happen until there is no oil left and then you will have to pay the energy companys for energy they make using scaled up free energy devices that have bought off inventors, etc. These people run the world, through oil, the world is controlled, they have no problem killing people or a member of your family.
This information will be given away for free and for non-commerical use!
Now, back to it! Can anyone else be bothered to get the transformers and try it themselves? Are we here to make a free energy device or not?!
By the way, BMW have a hydrogen fuel cell car that makes enough power to run half a street and makes it from its own water on board, no need to store hydrogen. The hydrogren is then made back in to water and sent back to the tank! This has been shown on Top Gear in 2003 and driven at high speed. Yet BMW are actively being suppressed from bringing it to market. It works, its efficient, its clean and its high power, but where is it?
Regards,
Dave.
Dave this circuit would be good for placing between two of your circuits as well, as a method for runaway protection when closing the loop. It wouldn't prevent it of course but it would prevent meltdown, and save your gear for more testing.
If of course it confirms that it's really additional power.
This BMW thing is news to me! Very cool, and very saddening and frustrating at the same time. :/
At any rate, who's willing to replicate? Marco? JDO? GiantKiller? Stefan, how bout getting your hands dirty?
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Hey guys,
Still trying to find answers to life's most pressing questions? ::)
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Dave,
12 hour shift work......would be hard, my mind is on this constantly, make it real hard when your thinking free energy.
Anyway, no problem , youve started something that anyone here can easily replicate and get moving on.
I was thinking of using 3 or 4 transformers the input and one on the output, I wonder if the o/p would be exponential and take off like something silly.....lol
Man I agree with you totally, that they, who ctrl the masses, would not hessitate to murder, and try keep people from thinking and using there brains. The media/gov/interested parties will do anything to supress, as it would mean loss revenue for them.
Here's something to think about, look how much money they spend on advertising on car commercials, they spend a fortune on advertising, then you have to ask yourself, hmmm you need to buy car, thats right because, at the end of the day, you need to buy fuel to run that car, so who benefits from that........like ive read before question everything? some answers are right in your face.
Anyway Dave, you have a good holiday.
:)
All the Best
Dom
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Hi all,
@gnostic,
I am still in the loop, seriously. The flu wasted my weekend, but I still made progress in four days. And thanks for including me. I thought I burned some bridges.
@everyone
As you could see from previous controller & coil pix I posted, I have parts on board and now the boards are connected and everything is up and running.
Only one bug remains, as I am in the finally stages debugging. I got dead pin on the 74139. Little thing, but with a fever, had to shutdown. Anyway.
These are the docs and specs
Coil logistics on page 157
Schematic on page 211
Control design on page 269
boards on page 379
I don't have the turn ratios as high as dave's. The highest I can get is like comsters, some combinations of the 4 segments. He has more turns than I do.
But look at the coil logistics and see if the turns and the segmentation configurability would be usable in comparison with the kind of suggestion going to Dave.
For those that are not builders, Print the pix off and and make connections from controller to coil to coil and post it. Add components too. We can all then feed on it.
'Gimp' is a free open source 'Photoshop'.
--giantkiller
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Hi all,
@gnostic,
I am still in the loop, seriously. The flu wasted my weekend, but I still made progress in four days. And thanks for including me. I thought I burned some bridges.
@everyone
As you could see from previous controller & coil pix I posted, I have parts on board and now the boards are connected and everything is up and running.
Only one bug remains, as I am in the finally stages debugging. I got dead pin on the 74139. Little thing, but with a fever, had to shutdown. Anyway.
These are the docs and specs
Coil logistics on page 157
Schematic on page 211
Control design on page 269
boards on page 379
I don't have the turn ratios as high as dave's. The highest I can get is like comsters, some combinations of the 4 segments. He has more turns than I do.
But look at the coil logistics and see if the turns and the segmentation configurability would be usable in comparison with the kind of suggestion going to Dave.
For those that are not builders, Print the pix off and and make connections from controller to coil to coil and post it. Add components too. We can all then feed on it.
'Gimp' is a free open source 'Photoshop'.
--giantkiller
What book's pages are we supposed to be looking at. Did I miss something?
And no you didn't burn any bridges, it's all good man.
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Those pages referenced are the overunity post pages.
As everyone, no doubt, has tried to speed navigate this site, it's tough. But that is how it is setup.
I had mentioned it before... The way around this is to print and save the html, then open that file do a ^end then do ^f find, set it up. In the find box put in 'Post by: giantkiller', no quotes. and press the find button. This puts the found string at the top of the page. When you find the post, copy and paste some of the content to the search block in the overunity forum. The post should show up. This speeds things up. I wish there was a better to do this.
I found the error in my circuit and fixed it. I am now connecting the coil to it.
Thanks, --giantkiller.
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@Dave,
maybe you can just drive the 2 x 12 Volts transformer with the same noise generator
and just see, if the 240 Volts output cancels all out ?
There might be still some output, when you use noise as the source and drive the core
with it into saturation,so the input should at least be 0.5 Watts or so...
Many thanks.
Here you go...
Many thanks, but what circuit diagram was used for the 3 scope shots ?
You can just describe it.
What voltage levels did you feed the transformers with ?
12 Volts peek to peek or lower ?
Many thanks Dave.
The same as my 3 transformer experiment from before, but this time I fed whitenoise instead. So white noise is fed in to the two transformers in parallel, then I changed the phases between the two transformers output in to the 3rd transformer to get results. In in parellel and in phase the voltages adds again, outof phase it cancels to nothing.
Dave.
Hi Dave,
I meant to do it all in ONE transformer.
I wanted to know, if you can achieve the same
as Graham Gunderson with his scalar ray beam.
Also the saturation of the core plays a role in it probably,
so it makes no sense, just to feed only MilliVolts levels.
YOu must feed it at least with a few volts of amplitude...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Dave,
I meant to do it all in ONE transformer.
I wanted to know, if you can achieve the same
as Graham Gunderson with his scalar ray beam.
Also the saturation of the core plays a role in it probably,
so it makes no sense, just to feed only MilliVolts levels.
YOu must feed it at least with a few volts of amplitude...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
Stefan,
My noise circuit only produces 0.5v max. I will need to amplify it first!
Dave.
Or he could do it himself.
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Dave
I have done extensive tests using the idea of swapping from a series of caps into one cap then back into the caps in parallel. I am just waiting for my 4016 switch to show up to make it electronic rather than mechanical switching. The extra you speak of is the electrons moving into the cap. I did this: Charge 2 caps the same uf and voltage to 9 volts. Charge a third cap to the same voltage but with only say 20% of uf in the other 2. Now connect the 2 larger caps in series add a light bulb between the positive of the series caps and the positive of the smaller uf cap. Connect the negative of the series caps to the smaller uf cap. The smaller uf cap is charged to 18 volts and the light lights. Now take that apart and connect the 2 bigger caps in parallel, connect the positive to the small cap and the negative through the bulb. The bulb lights and electrons have now been put back into the big caps. I made a manual switching device to swap the electrons back and forth, I found loss do to resistance, but a very small amount. Now I hope to use the swapping electron to travel at an adjustable frequency, power my round ferrite core and be able to put my watt gain back into the caps when they are switched to parallel. And if it all works the caps should explode do to the voltage increasing.
;D
C0mster
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Guys,
I was doing some research and came across this article at http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/re-loop-article.htm and found this to be of interest, we have been talking about tuning the collector coil to a particular frequency and this should be of help so I wanted to share this. excerpt:
Effective length (of loop antenna)
When we discussed active-antenna systems [in a prior article in the series, and which I don't have], we frequently mentioned the effective length of an antenna (often referred to as effective height). We can also talk about the effective vertical length of a loop antenna. An approximation for computing the effective length, LL, of loop antennas is
LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu)/(wavelength) [Eq. 1]
Where wavelength is in meters; n = the number of turns in the loop; A = the cross-sectional area of one turn in square meters; Mu = the effective permeability of the core material ( = 1 for air core); and wavelength = (3*(10**8))/(frequency in Hz). [That's wavelength = three times ten to the eighth power, then divided by frequency.]
Hope this is understandable.
Regards,
Carl
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Now, what if you, through circuitry, placed an inductor across the two caps, with the caps in parallel. The caps would theoretically both dump at the same time into the inductor, right? So at the exact point when both caps are discharged and all the energy from the two caps is stored in the inductor's magnetic field, you would disconnect one of the caps, the second one from the example above, and you would leave only the first cap connected to this now fully loaded inductor.
Well, it seems to me that nothing at all would happen. If both caps have a similar charge, no current will flow through the inductor and therefore no magnetic field will develop in it.
O.K. guys, you all deserve a 60 seconds philosophical break... Here are two interesting quotes from Bruce DePalma:
Free energy comes from a place where limitation is not the paradigm of Mankind, and ownership and control are ideas which have been forgotten long ago. In the sense that free energy is available now, the contemporary establishment is confronted with something it does not want to understand, because in its understanding all other realities are shattered.
The fact that free energy is suppressed speaks to the greed and self-interest of a ruling elite which, even in the face of an emergency of global starvation, resource depletion and environmental pollution, will not give one inch if it means loss of control.
Regards,
Jacob
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@Starcruiser
We know that loop antennae when facing the source of emmisions will show the strongest signs of reception. Our source now just happens to be in the center. The diameter or radius of the loop has to, in our case, matche the effective wavelength of the harmonic freak wave of the 2 freqs harmonizing together. The freak wave being made up of the spikes off the square waves. Geez, they would be huge. Then connected to the loop you would have an lc tank tuned between the 2 starting freqs to pass on the captured freak wave power. Or why not just a diode bridge and extract it all. So 3 things have to match, the 2 freqs for the harmonic wave, the distance of the loop antennae, and the loop coil windings. What if one would use exite the top coil with one freq and the bottom coil with the other freq and the collector just sits in the middle. That way instead of trying to match 2 electrical freqs you actually are letting the magnetic freqs do the work. Oh, sh*t! especially if they are counter rotating? The interference would be larger across the collector/antennae.
Do I have log in my eye or isn't anybody else seeing this? ;)
We still have 3 things to contend with:
1.) Self starting or not (I don't know what's here, but if you solve #3 the rest will probably solve themselves by working backwards.)
2.) The toroid having rotational and gyroscopic qualities (segmented air( for not saturation, total field collapse) coils)
3.) Immense power out (the product of the square wave bemf harmonic tuned antennae/circuit)
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I like your philosophical statement there, it follows along with Lindemann's whole article on the subject of Free Energy and new paradigms: http://www.free-energy.ws/lindemann-1.html , Have a read... ;) VERY good article...
Thanks!
Maybe you didn't get what I was suggesting. I was suggesting, that after the 12v cap discahrges into the 6v cap that you then put those 6v caps in series and connect an inductor in parallel with those two caps.
You're right, this is not the setup I had in mind.
Regards,
Jacob
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@Starcruiser
We know that loop antennae when facing the source of emmisions will show the strongest signs of reception. Our source now just happens to be in the center. The diameter or radius of the loop has to, in our case, matche the effective wavelength of the harmonic freak wave of the 2 freqs harmonizing together. The freak wave being made up of the spikes off the square waves. Geez, they would be huge. Then connected to the loop you would have an lc tank tuned between the 2 starting freqs to pass on the captured freak wave power. Or why not just a diode bridge and extract it all. So 3 things have to match, the 2 freqs for the harmonic wave, the distance of the loop antennae, and the loop coil windings. What if one would use exite the top coil with one freq and the bottom coil with the other freq and the collector just sits in the middle. That way instead of trying to match 2 electrical freqs you actually are letting the magnetic freqs do the work. Oh, sh*t! especially if they are counter rotating? The interference would be larger across the collector/antennae.
Do I have log in my eye or isn't anybody else seeing this? ;)
We still have 3 things to contend with:
1.) Self starting or not (I don't know what's here, but if you solve #3 the rest will probably solve themselves by working backwards.)
2.) The toroid having rotational and gyroscopic qualities (segmented air( for not saturation, total field collapse) coils)
3.) Immense power out (the product of the square wave bemf harmonic tuned antennae/circuit)
Guys,
I was doing some research and came across this article at http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/re-loop-article.htm and found this to be of interest, we have been talking about tuning the collector coil to a particular frequency and this should be of help so I wanted to share this. excerpt:
Effective length (of loop antenna)
When we discussed active-antenna systems [in a prior article in the series, and which I don't have], we frequently mentioned the effective length of an antenna (often referred to as effective height). We can also talk about the effective vertical length of a loop antenna. An approximation for computing the effective length, LL, of loop antennas is
LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu)/(wavelength) [Eq. 1]
Where wavelength is in meters; n = the number of turns in the loop; A = the cross-sectional area of one turn in square meters; Mu = the effective permeability of the core material ( = 1 for air core); and wavelength = (3*(10**8))/(frequency in Hz). [That's wavelength = three times ten to the eighth power, then divided by frequency.]
Hope this is understandable.
Regards,
Carl
nice find carl,
guys i think everybody should go back and review this article and let's all see if we can track down the graphics. but even without the graphics, one of the things i noticed, were several similarities and oddities that we might want to check out. one of which was the fact that loop antenaes work off of earthfield magnetic waves. that there was alot of interference that could affect there designed function just by being near metal, or wires. huh, i bet a magnet right up against one would really mess with it's designed functioning. especislly if it was designed spesifically for lets say 7.8hz.
marco,
you might have the most experience with these things. what do you think.?
dave, or tao,
has anybody done the math on what it would take to wind a toroidal coil to hit this 7.8hz earthfield. i know it is weak, at it's designed use as a receptor, however, i can't stop but think if it was effected by a much mor powerful close proxcimty strong magnet, what would it do then. the article also gave ways for calculating these loop anteneas (toroidal coils) for certain frequencies , but also gave ways of balancing and fine tuning that i have been searching for, everywhere except radio anteneas. i think before we will ever get this we will will all be ready for phd's in physics, electronics, radio, and tv, as well as mechanical and electrical engineering.
i for one am learning alot.
thanks for your patience.
lol
sam
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yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.
A sample toroid would be:
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
Whould that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13840.html#msg13840
and
formulas here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13779.html#msg13779
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yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.
A sample toroid would be:
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
Whould that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13840.html#msg13840
and
formulas here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13779.html#msg13779
Seems like this would be the obvious starting point. That would explain again why when the device is turned sideways 'it don't work'.
The loop is not pointing at the source...
Thanks guys,
Pigs fly!
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sorry,
i try to read, and think about every post. i think you guys posted those maybe when we were having so much trouble all of a sudden going forward, and it seemed to be impossible to go back. i must have missed it, however it looks to me like ther are some different equations in the article starcruiser posted tonight. it might be worth taking a look at.
lol
sam
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yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.
A sample toroid would be:
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
Whould that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13840.html#msg13840
and
formulas here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13779.html#msg13779
Seems like this would be the obvious starting point. That would explain again why when the device is turned sideways 'it don't work'.
The loop is not pointing at the source...
Thanks guys,
Pigs fly!
"The loop is not pointing at the source..."
Exactly! it seems the coils arrangement has a directional amplification orientation to it.
I also think that the toroid is closed and the other coils are used for draining the resonant energy collected in it and power the load
I posted some possible configurations here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13952.html#msg13952
After looking at one of the videos, the one with the most simple torus about 5" dia placed on the glass table, I thought with the old proven KISS principle the following could be a safe first assumption:
a. a closed loop energy amplification main toroid with a base resonating frequency of 7.4 - 7.8 Hz
b. a number of output (and possibly control) coils that can be
c. inside the energy collection and amplification toroid in different orientations?
or
d. interwoven with the main toroid
or
e. some of the output coils are actually part (sections of the toroid/spliced wires)
or
f. some combination of the above
I was thinking closed end toroid since it appears to be self powering.
with possibility (e) one will actually remove current directly from the source without physically introducting another coil inside?
Just thinking out loud.
Thanks folks for a very interesting thread. Nice links, pics, info.
BTW, giantkiller you are right, in matter of speech, pigs do fly. ;) When Boeing engineers first came up with the 747 design, there were huge doubts from many of them and just about all management that the plane would fly as it would be too heavy at take off. And yet it became the most successful volume carrier ever built
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stephan,
WHY ALL OF THE SUDDEN DO WE HAVE TO WAIT 30-45 SECONDS, WITH A HIGH SPEED DSL CONECTION FOR, "BANNERS", WHEN THE SAME BANNERS ARE BEING POSTED ON EVERY PAGE. THIS JUST DOESN'T MAKE GOOD COMMON WALK ABOUT SINCE!!!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS THREAD SINCE ABOUT PAGE 10. I KNOW BETTER!!!!! WHAT EVER YOU HAVE CHANGED CAN YOU PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK. IT HAS DRIVEN YOUR WEB SITE INTO THE DIALUP AGE OR BEYOND!!!!!
MIKESTOCK, AND GIANTKILLER,
if you can go back to the mannix post somewhere around page 315, where steven has sent him the letter from the college professor that looked at and tested his machines it gives us the measurements of the outside demensions of the coils, possibly we can now begin to make some since of it. i think what is happening is a lot of stuff may be getting dropped through the cracks because of all the delays in navigating the sight and in the time it takes to post. i think alot of posts are getting scrambled.
in other words, guys i didn't mean to miss the posts you sent and was acctually posting at the time. if that is the case if i got the prompt that someone else had posted, IWOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO SEE WHAT I MISSED. but i never saw those posts. the closest thing i saw was someone that had caluculated the size of the 7.8Hz antenna to be several meters in diameter and another post by i think tao that refered to another sight where it was pointed out that the size could be greatly reduced by adding current.
i think if someone can now go back or has already saved the post location of the mannix post, with the letter to steven, then we might be able to make a good enough guess as to how to wind a coil to maybe get in the ballpark, and with a little tuning or balancing maybe, someone will get lucky or smart.
lol
sam
ps:
keep up the good work.
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dave,
GET UM!!!!!!!!
LOL
SAM
ps:did i miss another post where stephan explained why his whole sight seems to be crashing?
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dave,
here, when you tell your badest "DOG", GETUM! that means for whoever is out there, "WATCHOUT", when you tell your , badest dog, "ANNNNT", that means he better not do it!!!!
please don't take this the wrong way. i live in BULLDOG country.
i still think you are on the right path. i am starting to think you might be on to something more than you think. at least if we can put two and two together still.
lol
sam
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dave,
is there any way to get that doubled sign wave, "kick" into one of those capistors?
sam
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@Starcruiser
We know that loop antennae when facing the source of emmisions will show the strongest signs of reception. Our source now just happens to be in the center. The diameter or radius of the loop has to, in our case, matche the effective wavelength of the harmonic freak wave of the 2 freqs harmonizing together. The freak wave being made up of the spikes off the square waves. Geez, they would be huge. Then connected to the loop you would have an lc tank tuned between the 2 starting freqs to pass on the captured freak wave power. Or why not just a diode bridge and extract it all. So 3 things have to match, the 2 freqs for the harmonic wave, the distance of the loop antennae, and the loop coil windings. What if one would use exite the top coil with one freq and the bottom coil with the other freq and the collector just sits in the middle. That way instead of trying to match 2 electrical freqs you actually are letting the magnetic freqs do the work. Oh, sh*t! especially if they are counter rotating? The interference would be larger across the collector/antennae.
Do I have log in my eye or isn't anybody else seeing this? ;)
We still have 3 things to contend with:
1.) Self starting or not (I don't know what's here, but if you solve #3 the rest will probably solve themselves by working backwards.)
2.) The toroid having rotational and gyroscopic qualities (segmented air( for not saturation, total field collapse) coils)
3.) Immense power out (the product of the square wave bemf harmonic tuned antennae/circuit)
Hi Giant Killer, your right, spot on, I noticed this, from his first early prototypes, he is using two rings, its evident that all the other ones are probably designed the same way, so you produce two frequencies on each ring and power which is collected is in the middle, something like that, I think we should stick with his earlier design, Thats what I will be starting off with anyway, just wanted to know if any other builders have gone this way.
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Hey Dave,
Before you go on leave, regarding the transformer experiment you did, if its easy enough for you to do, could you try 4 transformers, i.e 3 are fed with sinewaves into the 4th output transformer, i'm just curious what would happen. Also I'm trying to understand what your doing with the caps and inductor, maybe in lamans terms you could explain it, sorry if i ask, just my level of understanding at this time isn't upto scratch, I know ive got some reading to do. I used to build kits and my electronic theory needs abit of a refresher.
Cheers Champ,
Dom :D
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Hi Dave,
Again, sorry my understanding in antannaes and coils is simple at best, I'm new to this stuff and i don't understand fully how the earths magnetic field plays in all this, I was probably just going by what sm said the electrons in a wire interact with earths magnetic field, this i guess he was talking about his kicks.
Your right about his second version, there two rings which look bare, and though this maybe the case, its still two rings and i feel its this type of setup that will somehow give us the result. Again sorry im still new to this coil building and need to learn this, so im just looking and observing how he has them setup.
The first coil his made, correct me if im wrong he looks like he has bailing wire on both rings but in 4 segments in total, i.e two ontop and two on the bottom, and going by what giantkiller was saying, applying one freq on one, and another on the other might be whats making this work.
again im thinking KISS
lol
Dom ;D
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Hey Marco, tell us please...more detail.....lol
2 rings, 2 rings, 2 rings , 2 rings some coils
2 rings.....could this be all guys think of his early ones the first videos made
2 rings
hmm potential between the two 2 rings do i know what im talking about, do i sound like an idiot....maybe
but maybe we need to look at this from a fools perspective, and that can be me...i have no shame
2 rings
Dom ;D
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sorry about my previous post....i get excited
It's possible , could it be , but look again and see, that sm device has two rings
its simple, no mass circuitry just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
Yousy
Unbelievably simple, ...is this how the wheel was discovered all those years ago.....lol
Dom ;)
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for replying, I thought that maybe I was being too pushy by asking so many questions, I'll have to get experimenting and learning that way.
So to make it in simple terms, regarding the 2 caps and inductor, basically its a ping pong effect, one cap which is charged gets induced into an inductor, when switched that is, then that switch is then in open position, so then the inductor gets switched to the second cap, hopefully with the same charge it started off with going into second inductor and vice versa, so while you put a load on, there should be no loss, as there is always movement from one to the other, Im guessing this is what were trying to do, .......wow.....heheheh i hope i got that right
Again thanks,
This forum rocks
Dom ;D
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cool :D
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Hi Marco,
I can here the echo, this could do with the 2 ring setup, some resonance between the two happening or something to that effect.
Try putting a magnet near by the coils, to see if it makes a difference, perhaps it will boost this echo.
Cheers,
Dom ;D
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Holy crap. I go to sleep and you guys make break throughs without me.
I see how it is. !!!
Congrats marco!..
OK, so the magnet in proximity is a good suggestion. Also, have you placed a compass near by? Seems the voltage would be too small to make it work, but maybe not. Is that a rotating field?
Another note, I noticed the two toroids are of different diameters, SM said the size of the diameter matters. Perhaps if you had two identical toroids it would work better? Or maybe three? Also, what happens when the outermost control is wrapped around the two(or three). There's still a layer of windings missing ;)...
I'm getting excited here folks.
Rich...
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Hi Rich!
Sorry to leave you out!
I think Marco has become excited and gone down the store to buy more wire!
Regards,
Dave.
Well I don't blame him! This is some hardcore stuff! I see a building oscillation with spikes combining into other spikes! It stops working when he turns it upside down! which means it's probably a rotating magnetic field! HOLY SHIT!!! I THINK WE DID IT!! IF not we are so close it's scary!
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Hi Rich,
Marco came across this effect after i mentioned about the 2 rings in all of sm setups, i think this is the key to this device operation.
Although I think he found this out purely by accident, it must have benn about 2 hours ago.
focus guys on the 2 ring arrangement with coils, i dont think there is much to sm's device....KISS
Steven might have come across this phenomenon by accident.
Awesome
Dom ;D
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Well, there are at least two.. let's put it that way, we know in the larger device there are 3.
We knew it was necessary, but thought it was probably just a function of power output or something. I always assumed that one conrol/collector unit would show the phenomena we were looking to, or at least give us enoug info to add upon it correctly... STUPID ASSUMPTION.. ITS IRREDUCIBLY COMPLEX.... And yet simple.
The first two smaller devices seem to only have two though, yes.
Rich.
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marco,
first, GREAT WORK!!!!!!!
the waves we are seeing seem to remind me of the shots you did with your 7.4-7.8 tests awhile back. what are the dimensions of your coils? were they wound to possibly optimize the reception of the 7.4-7.8hz frequency? maybe this doesn,t even matter to just see the spikes. but it might help to optimize.
the article the starcruiser posted on tuning loop antenna's, seems to infer that by wrapping the loop antenna (toroid) with additional windings in some places (control coil) you could balance your loop antenna for even finer tuning.
just some thoughts. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!
LOL
sam
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2 rings and coils....focus 2 rings and coils ;)
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AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Holy crap! I've run out of 'Depends' geriatric diapers!
@Marco,
Don't change anything yet !!!!!!!!!! Just move the toroids a little in distance from each other to and fro along the center axis.
See attached!
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And another thing!
Congratulations are in order to us! We crossed 400 pages! Thats 100 pages in less than 10 days.
Drink up boys, the ride ain't over! Are we ever gonna have fun...
--giantkiller
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I can't wait to hear from Marco on the results of his next setup. I am going to try and duplicate his results using 2 coils. I will need to make another coil setup but this is exciting! I am thinking the coax collector coil might do the trick since this is what Otto was using on his setup when he got some real promising results also.
Still thinking the loop antenna theory holds some of the answers, diameter of the loop (apeture) to help tune the coil and sustain the reasonance. I think the next step might be to create a feedback loop to increase the signal strength.
Just my .02
regards,
Carl
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Marco, no offense, but I think you had it right the first time. Do what you need to do however. This is how discoveries are made. Can we get a schematic of your current coil setup? I'd like to see how it's all put together. How the controls are connected to the collector, and to eachother. And how it's all fed with the mosfet.
Is it anything like the diagram I submitted? If so, I can just work off that. Dammit, I have to buy an oscope and a damn sig gen.
To stefan... Looks like your site is back to locking up my browsers again man, I have to tell you, I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say this site has served us well, but it's become a huge pile of crap lately.
The offer is still open to move this stuff to my site.. I'll even create the accounts for you guys if you want, and email you the passwords. I have a jump on moving all the SM and mannix posts over there already, next is pertinent user posts. I'm keeping all the important stuff for posterity. I already have a doc with most of it so it's not too tough.
It's very hard to crawl 400 pages of info and compile only the good stuff however. I could use some help... :)
Rich.
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@Marco
hi, :)
you are right about the graphic.
if the coils are moved it makes diffrence.
marco
This is big and I gotta post this publically. Can you give more pictures? Is it better?
--giantkiller
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One big ouch!
I am trying to find the first phase shift circuit posted here that used cmos flipflops? for a 90d output? Jason, Dave, Jacob? I followed right behind this with posting mine and I can't find it!
Thanks,
--giantkiller
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dave,
can you kinda walk us through this circuit? i can't get it all on the screen and still see it. i guess i should've gotten the big screen. but, i am having trouble with being able to see it all together. printer went down late this afternoon.
thanks
sam
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Guys, think simple, remember that, don't look too hard into it, remember nikola tesla didnt have what we have today, and i believe he probably stumbled across this too. I think i read that he was running with a power source that couldn't be explained, it may have been sitting in his pocket, look again and again at sm, first two vids and try to work around that arrangement.
2 rings and coils...2 rings and coils focus
can't wait to experiment
goto go to work...Yuk
Dom
:)
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I am submitting this to recap the coil driver side. Strictly on the hardware side. No sims or theories,yet.
So far:
Dave used Bipolar transistors and no bypass diodes, bases driven by 4013 CMOS.
Marco used IRF840 Mosfets with internal bypass zeners. I assume you applied a signal generator?
giantkiller used BUZ11 Mosfets with internal bypass zeners, gates driven by 74ls139. I have to add a stage of 74ls244 bus drivers.
Dave has dual,multi freq, unidirectional 90 phase shift clocking.
giantkiller has dual,multi freq, bidirectional 0,90,180,270 phase shift clocking.
marco has total manual control, if you are using a sig gen?
@dave
thanks for the schem.
@marco
thanks for the latest test results.
Now for the sims and theorists:
try to tabulate in bullet format what you have seen come thru this thread about:
the coil calcs, windings/turns, wire gauges, # of coils ( no arguing!), anything item you feel is pertainent (no stories or lengthy theories!)
Think! Lets start on the design guide now and we will be done later.
Remember, as others and all have stated,
there are 3 areas:
Self starting. This will be dealt with last, so don't waste up front time on this. No one person is going to get any glory for figuring this part out. It will fall into place.
field rotation by segments This can e dealt with 2nd.
Coil/antennae And this is the big one! Find the collector specs, then the other 2 coils specs. After this, the device can be driven by mathematical specs and controlled experimentation with either of the 3 controllers previously mentioned. Because if the collector coil ain't right, nothing is right. Anybody out there know antennae specs and math? We have gotten great submits so far. I don't have time to site search this till I get my next stage done.
At this point, I welcome all arguments.
For those of us that have built coils already, don't despair. You are actually sitting on either a test platform for further on processes or follow-on products. It's all good. You see my coil is a ferrite core with no control winding. It is wrong? No. I am testing out the effects of a higher voltage rotating magnetic field. But my system setup, and Dave's and marco now enables us to replace the coil with what Marco has or what comes out of the next flury of coil threads.
For those who want to experiment: to start off you need a oscope and a signal generator.
many blessings be upon you and
thanks be to all.....
We need some cheerleaders! We already got the beer and chips!
--giantkiller
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SEE I TOLD YOU GUY'S! :o :D
THANKS STEVEN!!!!! THANKS MANNIX!!!
LOL
SAM
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I would celebrate with toast
Then I will. And I'm having cinnamon on mine! And sugar! Maybe jam later on..
Lindsay,
Couple questions.
Regarding the hypothesis in the first picture you posted....
Has SM confirmed any of this? I've read it and it's very very interesting. It points out pretty well what we may be doing right and wrong. I will read it and post questions, I'm going to let it soak in a bit first though..
The second picture isn't fully formed on the page, can you fix it and repost it as an attachment?
I've created a PDF in a more manageable size for those of you who want it of the first pic. When the second is reposted or I can get a full version of it, I'll do it for that one too.
___________
Rich
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SEE I TOLD YOU GUY'S! :o :D
THANKS STEVEN!!!!! THANKS MANNIX!!!
LOL
SAM
Told us what? I see no magic ratios or golden numbers here. These are not the droids your looking for. Move along.
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Hello all,
Please don?t use the wires from koax cables. SM or Mannix said that for the collector coils the wires must be straight and not interweaved. This was importand.
I?m building a new TPU. My collector coils have each 1000 (one thousand) fine wires. This weekend I?ll see what will happen. I also get a scope only to finish one day my work with this TPU (I?m not rich).
Regards
Otto
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Marco and all,
Yes, I think we are dealing with an open circuit here. In many of the papers on free energy, state there has to be an open circuit for the radiant energy to enter from the aether, ala Tesla's magnifying transmitter.
I have a feeling that the top plate on SM's open air design is the transmitting antenae (one side of open capacitor) and the bottom plate is the collector coil (other side of open capacitor)?
If the open side of Marco's first torrid is connected to a copper plate, and the second torrid open end is connected to a copper plate, maybe the spikes would be amplified?
Maybe the the upper and lower plates of SM's device are just flat wound spiral coils ,ala Tesla, and not plates at all? That shape would combine the effects of a torrid coil and a plate of a capacitor, the distance between them would effect the self resonance.
I wonder what would be the effect of control coils wound around a flat spiral coil would be? Hard for me to picture that in my mind? Maybe some kind of scalar effect?
It's getting exciting!
Tishatang
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What is creating these longitudinal wave fronts?, the control coils that are in segments around each collector coil as Steven said?
Or the control coils that are around all the coils together? Or both?
Hi Tao and everyone,
What I understand of the explaination is, you pulse the horizontal coil(s) with such a frequency (dependend on the circumfence!!!) that the created magnetic field of one loop coincides with the other loops of the coil. I guess that way the magnetic waves are adding up like our Hungarian friend explained in the info Tao found. So the power in the magnetic wave is not doubled but squared? What if there's more than two loops in the coil and the magnetic pulses of all those loops add up? Are there gonna be giant magnetic spikes sweeping around that core at the speed of light?
If so, then maybe imagine a second coil doing the same thing and adding them up or maybe let them collide to create radiant energy bursts?
Hope i explained myself well enough for all of you to understand...
What do you all think?
regards Dutchy
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Hi all
It takes me nearly 5 weeks to read all the posts in this thread.
And for me it?s hard to believe what SM shows in his video. Nevertheless I?m still analysing this device and trying to understand it?s function.
If I would have the time to experiment, I?d try a few things. But I haven?t.
In the meantime I?d like to tell you the results of my analyses and all the questions I have about this device.
1. question for me is, what is this kick? Answer it?s a powerspike - however it has been produced!
2. If I find one of this kicks/powerspikes, how can I collect them to an usefull amount?
I read about that someone confirms that in presentation, the smaller unit drives a 100W bulb for several hours.
3. How can I collect such huge amount of kicks in such a speed in this small device?
If this kick creates a powerspike of, let me assume, 1mW, the device have to collect 100.000 kicks every second the bulb is lightning!
If Marco have find this kicks with the two toroids, one over an other, we can see and hear that the kicks comes very sporadic. So the conclusion of it, must be, that the device must be able to store this energy in any kind in order to release the power once there are 100.000 kicks collected. But remember this the amount of kicks for the first second.
The device have to act more like a battery than like a generator and be able to store ALL the energy for power the bulb for several hours.
4. Has anyone of you any idea how this can be made with only 1 toroid?
If the voltage of the smaller unit is 180 V and it powers a 100 W bulb (current 0,555 Amperes ) for let us assume for 3 hours then the device have to store energy of round about 300 Wh and the capacity must be 1,66 Ah /180V.
And this is the point where I would start with.
Because when I?m not able to store this amount of energy in this toroid, I don?t need to care about to find the kicks nor to store them.
Perhaps I?m wrong, but I don?t believe that this device creates 100 Ws "online" to power the bulb.
And this assuption is confirmed by SM himself , when he said that one kick is not much, but a lot of kicks can create a big kick (more power), so you have to collect them.
This are just my thoughts at the moment and I could be completly wrong. So feel free to kick them around.
It would be nice to hear /read any comment on this.
kr
2Tiger
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Hi Dutchy,
I understand. I was wondering the same thing. Although people here don't believe what I have said about the sine waves in 100% adding when in parallel and 100% in phase, although I have tested this repeatedly now. I do not claim there is excess energy here yet, only that the voltages do add, but only when the sine waves are in 100% phase and are of the same voltage.
So I have been wondering about what would happen if I used 3 or 4 or even 5 transformers to create 5 waves in perfect phase from one sine source and then add them in parallel and in phase in the mixing transformer again to add the signals. The question at the moment I guess is will it work with more than two? If it does work with more than two, then it will be the square of this, not the addition! I know there is no such EM wave with a AC signal in a wire, not like a radio wave, it just appears so over time on the scope, but we must not forget that the actual energy (poytning flow) flows outside the wire and as such we may see a similar superposition of these energy fields.
I will be trying this with loop antennas soon!
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
Could it alse be that the control coils (vertical and in sections) pick up this magnetic pulsetrain and that way indicates by the induced voltage how well the (magnetic) pulses are lined/added up. Then these coils can somehow monitor and adjust the pulsetrain?
Maybe you could test this theory?
Regards Dutchy
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oh and dave :) im from holland but i do have chips and beer ;D
Hi Marco,
Perhaps one day we will build a working SM device, then we will meet and have steak, chips and beer! ;D
Dave.
Would it possible to invite me also? I'm really surprised of the progress you did here all.
Your attempt with the three transformers reminded me of the HOPE generator.
Three is important. So why not two primary and one secondary coil on one an the same transformer and than feed the primary coils with to different waves. Two of this and the output coils connected in series or paralle (should be tested).
just my .02
regards
Norbert
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I was wondering, Can you split it into four separate in phase signals to start, then feed those into two, then both of those into one?
It would probably lose phase along the way.
Just curious.
The best way to keep this going, is probably to split the out of t3 into the t1, and 2 of another setup then into a that setup's t3, see if you get a further gain.
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dave,
first off let me say that your three transformer idea i think is pertinent!!!! i also think that marcos' two coils must also be pertinent. there is probably some reason that steven has chosen to release a little more information at this time and drive an old point home as well.
i have been thinking about the pulsed dc thing and the similarities between your 3 transformer setup and the two capacitor light bulb and induction coil and how it can all be tied together with the toroidal coils. you spent some time recently looking at longitudinal waves, which if i am reading right, steven is also talking about in the latest post. also gravitomagnetics which is still somewhat theoretical in it's usefulness. i think we are going to have to find some way to tie it all together, but i also think for some reason that we have most of the parts.
lets just figure it all out and make on of these things. have you tried pulsed dc through your three transformer setup? if marcos has two coils resonating with no aparent source of energy, where do you think it is coming from? has anyone looked at the frequency of marcos' kicks? was there a frequency change, in your three transformer setup or just a doubleing of amplitude? with marcos' kick in the closup was shown several different spikes that were of greater amplitude than the base wave. as each spike of increased amplitude start to travel aroud the toroid, are they in fact creating several different frequencies that can resonate there own additional spikes?
just some thoughts. i feel now you guys have answered some really important factors in the tpu, or steven would not posted and made so many other things to think about.
keep up the good work and let everyone know your thoughts on how all this might tie together.
lol
sam
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Just thinking out loud.
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dave,
you have got to go back to thinking in longitudinal waves!!!!! they will be effecting things 90 degrees different than transverse waves. think about it. i know you recently did some experiments along those lines.
lol
sam
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Just thinking out loud.
Exactly! Two loop antenna 1/2 wavelength apart, with collector at 1/4 wavelength to collect this 4x wave, then feed it back!
Question is, does this apply to SM? We have 3 loop collectors, but then the name implys they wont work in this way. But what if the small control coils all over the place work in 3's? Building and building each other in sequence of 3 coils each, which feed the next with their output, which can create rotating field growing and growing at each bunch of 3 by the superposition, and at the same time give power to collectors? This would also wind up in frequency and could be triggered by noise since the by its nature, superposition will work with the smallest signal? But then collectors are at 90 degrees >:(
Dave.
Yes! Maybe a good start would be to use standalone devices, like the block symbols. Just to get this working. We have been doing this in small attempts and steps. ;)
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stephan,
WHY ALL OF THE SUDDEN DO WE HAVE TO WAIT 30-45 SECONDS, WITH A HIGH SPEED DSL CONECTION FOR, "BANNERS", WHEN THE SAME BANNERS ARE BEING POSTED ON EVERY PAGE. THIS JUST DOESN'T MAKE GOOD COMMON WALK ABOUT SINCE!!!!! ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS THREAD SINCE ABOUT PAGE 10. I KNOW BETTER!!!!! WHAT EVER YOU HAVE CHANGED CAN YOU PLEASE CHANGE IT BACK. IT HAS DRIVEN YOUR WEB SITE INTO THE DIALUP AGE OR BEYOND!!!!!
It seems the banner problem is solved again.
I did not change anything in the last 2 months,
so there had been a problem with the banners
from ebay somehow.
But it seems, they have solved it now.
If anyone has still problems, just disable Javascript in
your browser, then it will work faster.
In a few days, I will move to a new version of the forum software
and will also install a portal software version, then
I can also again implement longer pages..
Stay tuned.
Regards, Stefan.
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@dave, Marco
Hi.
My initial drive circuit doesn't perform correctly. I am running a 74LS139 outputs to a 100 ohm resistors to the MOSfet gates and the MOSfets(BUZ11) don't show a signal at the drain. I put a 74HC244 bus driver in between at the gates, but still not enough voltage/current. I am going to pull the 244 out replace with LM324 opamps as voltage followers for current drive. Any comments?
Also Dave, on your circuit I see that you don't have transistor bypass diodes. The bemf didn't do any damage? My guide here is old school thinking.
Thanks,
--giantkiller
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dave,
i don't mean to come across as a 'know it all", because i certainly don't. can you tell me else it could be, if not longitudinal waves, that is causing the doubleing effect in your three transformer setup. it just looks alot like longitudinal waves to me.
any thoughts?
lol
sam
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stephan,
THANKS!!!! SORRY TO BE SUCH A BI***!!
LOL
SAM
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maybe that device you built caused your computer to smoke LOL
well anyway, best of luck Marco :D
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tao,
did we read this right? three in parallel, (ok dave,s setup with an extra leg), two in series, ( ok dave's setup with an extra step, one more transformer after the third), one in parllel, (WHAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!) HOW CAN ONE BE IN PARALLEL? are we talking positive and negative, or WHAAAAAAAAT?
lol
sam
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marcos,
what is the coil matrial? are they both air coil?
lol
sam
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Well it could be the camera angle but it looks like the coils wobble just a bit when you turn it on then off. First the copper coil when you turn it on, then the iron coil when you turn it off.
Rich..
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Uhhh, did you just turn it on with a magnet?
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marcos,
so the magnet on the copper coil let loose immediatly? instead of a brief hangup?
lol
sam
ps: damn, i thought you had teleported it, for a minute. ;)
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marcos,
is this what steven was talking about? i think you might have figured out how to squeeze the water out slowly, instead of just picking up the end of the hose and pouring it out.
dave,
have you thought anymore about how to get the sign waves into the capacitor?
i know there is a difference between ac and dc pulsced. are we sure they understand that?
lol
sam
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@Marco,
I am impressed! You go dude! Yep, don't think about unwinding it. Fire that coil up!
I mentioned that before about using a wooden dowel/stick and piling spools of wire on, one after another! Connect them all in series and you are on your way to a really cheap large Tesla coil.
Just make sure the fire retardant rating of the sheath is high, lol.
--giantkiller
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Hi Guys,
In Stevens first prototype he says he used bailing wire, which is of course made out of iron, maybe his later ones were made from copper.
maybe he mixes two together, worth exploring. good work Marco, and of course everyone else.
2 rings and coils i keep saying that, because i believe sm has hit on something by using this arrangement.
Maybe the earths magnetic field gets amplified by using material that is magnetic in nature......
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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marcos,
have you accidentally laid your steel wound coil on top of your two toroidal coil setup just to see what happens? just cuious!
lol
sam
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guys,
has anybody got a clue as to what steven was thinking about with the gravitomagnetic part? it may have been important to us.
lol
sam
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These are not the droids your looking for. Move along.
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hey jason,
you can get in the corner and hide and watch with rich!!! here come your three's again.
lol
sam
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jason,
think about three collector coils, three toroids in each coil, "three in parallel, 2 in series and 1 in parallel." seems like alot of prime numbers to me. all that add to 5, 6, 8,or nine. make fun if you want.
lol
sam
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...you all wait untill you see the results of the succer below.
just bougt it like that it wasnt even expensive :)
didnt even need to coil cause its a 100 meter all in.
Congratulation Marco, you've bought yourself a nice electric fence! :)
At this point, let me please offer a few thoughts about wire.
First, if we look at Tao's CAD rendering of the coils which, may I reming everyone, has been confirmed as being accurate, we see that it says:
"Control wiring vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils."
And also:
"Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together."
Now, how many segments does it take to make "several segments"? Certainly at least 2. Some may say 3. Personally, I would say 4. In any cases, considering the 3 collector coils and the segments "around all of the horizontal collector coils together", we're talking between 11 and 19 coils minimum. My guess is 20.
O.K., now if we look at the engineer report dated September 29, 1997 (Michael Fennell, Consulting Engineer), it says that the device tested weighted 12 ounces. Think about this: 12 ounces -> 12 coils +, this isn't much weight per coil.
Also, from the pictures that we have seen so far from what I call the Aligned Winding Architecture TPU, and what Dave call the "open" model, and also from the other quote on Tao's drawing that says: "horizontal collector coils of multi strand copper wire", most of the TPU windings seem to be made from multi strand wire.
Therefore, what we have here, it seems to me, is a device made of several relatively short coils of multi-strand wire.
Just a thought!
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi everybody,
It seems that the number of posts grows faster than one can respond to a message -:) This is good.
I wanted to notice about recent (last) Mannix message, if you can call it recent with the number of responses after it. The images presented by Mannix are nothing new. Even this is a really interesting set up but you might want to look at ?The HOOPER-MONSTEIN Experiment? in http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/hoopmnst.htm . Such a set up can generate a double voltage in the output coil and as a result increase output energy by 4 times. I did perform Mannix experiment a long time ago (about 2 years ago) but never paid attention to the voltage. I was actually looking for something else. Going to do it again. I have also done powering input coils by the pulsed current and didn?t notice anything unusual, maybe my set up was wrong. My old set up was used for inducing the power from one bifilar coil into another. But for this, you need to wind the coil in four wires instead of three. The output power was very low because of the close proximity of the bifilar coils wires but it was enough to light a led and the load didn?t affect the source whatsoever. The level of noise was below 0.0001 volt. Also, the output current was behaving very strange, to say at least, when it was used to create a resonance in another coil. I am going to test it by powering input coils with pulsed current again (with some new stuff in mind) and if anything interesting, will post it here.
Kames.
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Hi Jacob,
I will add the coil specs on page 420 to the design document that I had posted about earlier.
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Hi Jacob,
I will add the coil specs on page 420 to the design document that I had posted about earlier.
Hello giantkiller,
You're doing a great job trying to summarize what has been achieved every once and awhile.
By the way, what's in the name?
Regards,
Jacob
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I am glad you ask.
The second greatest king to ever have lived is called David. At age 16 he slew a giant named Goliath. Against all odds with no support from the army of his older brothers. They trembled so that their armor shook. And David took the throne that day within the throws of adversity.
With faith and strength we all can overcome the giants in our lives. I thrive in this environment.
What I have come to realize is with the lifelong gift of Obsessive, Compulsive, Creativity is I run into those that tell me my dreams are not real. I slay the giant everytime I succeed! May we all this time around. I would like others to be part of this stride I take.
Kapeesh?
--giantkiller
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just read it, its something about kick's
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1598.0;topicseen#msg14505 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1598.0;topicseen#msg14505)
norbert
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spectrograph of mp3 sound file (was converted to wav)
notice the 50hz and 100 hz lines?
used spectrogram from this page
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Spectrum_analyzers/
still, very strange to me,,,
Cliff
Here's a better image of it..
(http://www.vlf.it/romero/marconi_old.gif)
Thing is, these are usually localized "hums", for example, the "Tao hum", the "bristol Hum" etc. have been measured between 30 and 80 hz, coincidentally this is very close to the 60hz grid frequency. The above pic was measured in an area away from the grid, and away from EM polution. Notice how faint the 60hz spectogram is.
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@giantkiller, how are you handling all of the different theories and build ideas with your builders doc? I got started on something like that, but too much was(and perhaps still is) unsolidified by experimentation to actually create a builder's doc.
Perhaps I can help with it?
I've read the entire thread like 3 or 4 times, and the pertinent stuff countless times.
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Cliff, that's a 2khz, with HUGE repetitive pulses maybe a ms long. That's definitely man made, where are you located? Mil bases around? Radio towers? Any devices around, phones etc?
OH, btw, that particular shot was done in spectrum lab.. Not on my computer though. If you are interested in elf/ulf/vlf wave analysis, check out www.vlf.it
LOTS OF GOOD STUFF THERE. As well as nice tutorials for building antennas and spectrum analyzers.
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Ahh, the plot thickens!! Well, it's man made, that's for sure. hehe.. Well I would agree that those are the kicks then. :)
I thought you were perhaps suggesting tuning the coil to 50hz. And that would work in some places as shown by my shot.. Just not everywhere.
Yes, Marco is on to something. It's very exciting, I just wish he was moving FASTER! LOL... He's only one man though.. I'm dying to see shots of his iron coil, or his bifilar coil, if that's what he's making.
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Dave,
I copied this bit from the beginning of the study of our Hungarian friend:
The objective of this study is to examine whether it is possible to violate the generally accepted energy preservation thesis in the field of electromagnetic waves.
The discussion of energy correlations in the field of electromagnetic waves does not imply the restriction of this problem to a narrow area, since the laws of wave-propagation cover a wide spectrum, from sound waves to X-rays, as well as the Compton effect and the de Broglie waves related to the particles. Thus they are related to a fairly wide area of physics.
If I understand him well, he's basically saying that this phenomena is NOT restricted to magnetic waves as in his study. This might then give support for your transformer findings.
I'm thinking of getting some ferrite ringcores and wind some 1:1 transformers and then copy your experiment to see if I can find the same results. If that's the case then we're certainly onto something, right?
regards Dutchy
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Hi Dutchy! This looks good!
But if you are going to replicate it, may I suggest to get three standard transformers and replicate the effect before trying something new with torroids? Once you have replicated this you can validate it and THEN change it!
Regards,
Dave.
Hi again,
OK, have to find some similar transformers. Can you give me the specs of the ones you used?
Btw have you read that study? In the beginning it has some good examples of the phenomena e.g when two antenna's are transmitting the same signal in the same direction. Experience shows that the power is squared although classic theory says they should "just" be added up....
Dutchy
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Hi Dave
SM says the voltage fluxuates so this seems to match that the spikes are random and you do not generate the same amount of spikes per second or the voltage would be steadier. This also means its not stored in an output cap or it would be more steady?
When the device starts it takes a minuite to get to full power, so these kicks that are extra power are able to loop back and supply more to the input and then generate even more.
O.K. - so let us assume that the kicks were not collected but produced "online" and they were looped back to self increase the energy in the coil-setup.
You say, that when the device starts it takes a minuite to get to full power.
Now what happens after the minute, if you don?t connect a load?
If the device don?t have a control-circuit to delitmit the production of kicks it will go on collecting kicks till selfdestruction.
In the case there is a control-circuit avalible to delimit the production of kicks by dumping them to a resistance i.e. then the energy produced in the first minute HAVE TO be stored somewhere. And when you dumped energy in a resistance, you will produce heat. Perhaps to selfdestruction too, but this time by burn up the insulation of the copperwires.
Please think about this.
So here is my question again: Is it possible to store this amount of energy in the smaller SM device?
Have anyone an idea ??
kr
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I've updated our feature page at PESWiki. I would really like to know what the present status is of this technology, and how we can help get it to market if it isn't already well on its way.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator)
Steven Marks' Toroid Power Units - Five 1997 videos of several solid-state prototypes include footage of small unit (6" diam x 2" high x 1" thick toroid) powering a 100W bulb, a 3-amp drill, a television, and a small vacuum. Said to harness the power of the Earth's electromagnetic field. Larger unit puts out 7 amps; could power an electric vehicle. (PESWiki; Oct. 13)
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MarksToroid/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MarksToroid/) - Forum created to pursue the tech.
I would like to interview Steve on my Free Energy Now (http://FreeEnergyNow.net (http://FreeEnergyNow.net)) radio show. Perhaps if you of you has his contact information you let him know and have him get a hold of me.
http://pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/SterlingDAllan/ (http://pureenergysystems.com/about/personnel/SterlingDAllan/)
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Hi Marco,
So one of the coils is plugged into the transmitter, which is your sound system, - mp3 player, and the other blue coil is plugged in as receiver,
So you can clearly see that 2 coils arranged like this can act as a good antenna, and if your able to tune into the 7.28hz schuman resonance, it should be able to pickup power.....or something to that effect?
:D
Cheers,
Dom
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Marco,
I take it this is not the same as when you place two torroids, one on the other since here you now use iron coil and one segment of TPU?
What is the signal played from the memory chip? 7.8hz sinewave?
On your receiver, it is just one large torroid or is there long coil around the circumference with vertical coils wound around this, and if so which is connected to the PC?
Thanks,
Dave.
As i understand it, it's the Queen music that's played from the mp3 player, amplified through the stereo, then put into the bailing wire coil.
As the coil is put closer to the toroid the music gets louder (see the monitor he's showing)
regards Dutchy
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Hi Marco,
Shit so one of the wires is disconnected from the smaller blue coil, but when you squeeze the larger coil, it actually picks it up......damn did i get that right?
Rgds,
Dom ;D
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This forum rocks, I reckon were closer than we think, So Marco what you are saying is that if you use wire made with iron and place a magnet near it, it will amplify the signal that your feeding into that coil, but when you do the same with copper wire, the signal gets weaker.
Dom
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Hi All,
I think I know whats going on now, refer to his first prototype, sm energy coil is an antenna, the coil he has ontop, is like a crystal radio receiver, this gets amplified by the coil segments, which are made from iron wire,:- bailing wire which probably have magnets near em also.
Cheers,
Dom :D
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So it works for one pole only one the iron, and neither pole works on the copper..
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So it works for one pole only one the iron, and neither pole works on the copper..
gnostic hi :),
no its one coil wrapped with iron and copper wire togheter so you have one turn copper and one turn iron one turn copper and one turn iron and so on.
and it worked only on one end.
i did wrap it because nobody said anything about the control coils could have more then one wire in the segments.
marco
Actually If you look at my diagram it's got bifilar control coils on the first layer. Which connect two in series, one in parallel, and creates two resonant LC tank ciruits(not pictured), which are fed by the control circuitry(not pictured), which is fed by the toroids.
However after Mannix's last post, I'm not sure if this is the way to go.. That one really threw me for a loop. Now, it wasn't directly from SM, but mannix does have more contact with him than anyone else. I just wish he posted the results of his tests, so we don't have to sit here reinventing the wheel all the time... I guess that's what we're here for though. Problem with my setup is that it's set up for counter-rotating magnetic fields. However, it could be set up so that both tanks are fed simultaneously, creating the pump, or sqeezing action, the hose (collector)requires.
I'll re-do it to reflect that ;)
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Hi guys,
just been tinkering, i'm no good at the theory part but i am good at 'trail and error' method.
and i don't mind blowing things up, (not really) lol. anyway, circuit diagram and scopeshot
attached of what i think is feedback through my pc sound card, very nice square wave but
'spikey', the cap gets charged (lots) and the right hand coil (coil 2) generates a nice big field.
thanks and keep up the good work.
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Marco,
Have you tried to connect the upper and lower coils in series and see what the outut is when you power the middle one?
Regards,
Carl
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Steven Mark I am going to ask you for a bone here because of the equipement I own. I swear to you I have been studying the fields by mechanically revolving the fields and the results I got was, it's not when the fields first collide, it's when the centers align that shit happens. Manix said we would have the help of someone who had access to lab equipement to die for (you) so I'm asking. Am I right are the fields fully in phase when the cores align and that is the moment of power production?
Also those 3 capacitive collector cores I theorize they serve a dual purpose, of course they do phase shifting, do they also store energy to keep the magnetic spheres from partly or fully collapsing?
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i have.
it looks like less with the wires looped.
it getting scary cause im measurin things that cant be.
Marco all 4 possibilities? with coils (top and bottom ones) both Clockwise, both counter clockwise (in relation to the center coils winding) as well as fliping the connections on the top and bottom so the top coils outside winding is connecting to the bottom coils inside and visa versa to see if the output varies substantially.
Carl
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Hi Rich,
I was looking at Mannix first drawing, the second one is half missing?
So we can have two conductors in parallel, one has a current, it will have a certain flux density. If this is then replaced with many short wires in parallel with a single collector wire in the middle, then surely the resistance of the many parallel wires will drop and share their resistance, so any current flowing will be shared out equally the same, so in the end you have the same flux density, assuming same power supply of course.
If these many wires are looped as one long wire with a single wire rapped in the middle, surely we just have a step down transformer?
Although in a transformer its layered, not the many wires made in to a "tube" with the single wire in the centre.
Regards,
Dave.
I'm having a hard time visualizing what you are saying. So, you want a bunch of small, say 12", bifilar collectors wired in parallel around the control, with one of the windings connecting to the other on the next segment? All of them together making a tube which would squeeze the collector?
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hi carl :),
until now i measured 2 possibilaties.
the most outside wires and the wire from bottom 1 and top 3 coil.
in my next video you can see what happens when the output begins to feed the input.
marco.
Wow, just viewed the video, what is the voltage of the bulb you are lighting?
Looks like inductive pickup to the coils, how were they configured/connected?
Carl
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marcos,
so you haven't trie touching it with your tounge, i take it?
chicken?
wow, it looks like you have come a long way in the last week. did you feel anything in the second video where you squezzed the coil to provide the ground? did you try sticking this to your tounge? ;)
lol
sam
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Marco,
Have you tried to measure the voltage going to the bulb yet? If so what was it? IF not could you try to? maybe try a regular light bulb and see if it lights.
Carl
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Dave,
I'm thinking he is acting as an antenna (transmitter) and the coil is picking up the signal (receiving antenna). I am thinking the center coil is providing the magnetic bias we are looking for. I am wondering if Marco adds a control coil and induces the signal there he might experience the same effect. I am thinking this is worth a try. What do you guys think?
Carl
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do you have taps on that monster coil to the collector cores so you can watch the phase relations between them?
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i have.
it looks like less with the wires looped.
it getting scary cause im measurin things that cant be.
Marco all 4 possibilities? with coils (top and bottom ones) both Clockwise, both counter clockwise (in relation to the center coils winding) as well as fliping the connections on the top and bottom so the top coils outside winding is connecting to the bottom coils inside and visa versa to see if the output varies substantially.
Carl
hi carl :),
until now i measured 2 possibilaties.
the most outside wires and the wire from bottom 1 and top 3 coil.
in my next video you can see what happens when the output begins to feed the input.
marco.
Hi, amassing, truly amassing.
RE: part-3.wmv
Is this how its set up?
3 coils of iron wire (not parallel wound with copper)
All same direction wound. I.e. all clockwise (or counter-clockwise) looking downwards.
(a)Outside wire bottom to inside wire top.
(b)Inside wire bottom to outside wire top, 12 volt bulb in series in-between connection,
Or bulb connected between connections a,b?
Middle coil fed ?juice? ac or dc? Voltage?
Mp3 players output center wire (hot) to finger. Sine wave? Frequency?
Other hand near coils pile
Cliff,
guys i said the bulb was for you to see how the coils react to my hand otherwise you would only hear the sound.
so the bulb is switched in with the juice wich is collector coil 2.
i did shortcut the outside two collectors cause then it reacted better.
in the beginning it reacted about ten centimeter now i got it to react as im standing a meter away from it.
its amazing and im still thinking about what sort of field it is.
as i grab the coils the frequency goes down but the output goes oup about 35 volt max.
then you can feel it resonating.
i did also quickly wrap a control coil around it as i put the jack on it then it goes to maximum output at once.the jack picks up the signal from the coil feeds it back into the transmitter and all starts over again.
marco.
This reminds me of the old days of antenna based TV reception, when you had to stand in certain places and move around the room to get the signal to come in right. This also happens with radio reception. The other day I went to the movies with a friend of mine and radio reception at his house was crappy, but when he started walking up to the car it started getting clearer.
So when you wrap the control wires around it @ 90 it pumps the reception up to full instantly. Interesting, do you still get any reaction with your hand/body moving closer or farther away? I would think not. So basically your body was the control. When it had no control, you held the input jack with your hand, and waved the other hand closer and farther away and that made the light go bright and dim. Now that you have a control around it. Do you hold one end of the control wire to produce the effect?
What will be interesting to see, is how the output raises with a proper control winding... ;)
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Marco,
I was re-reading your posts and had a few questions,
what is the signal sources voltage?
Can you measure this?
You were using an MP3 player as the source correct? or was it something else?
So you have a 30 vdc source on the center coil and using another "music" source for the control signal correct?
I don't want to take you away from your coil winding but just want to help you document the existing parameters to help us all understand your experiement and help you, if we can, move forward.
I will be taking a trek tomorrow to the local hobby lobby to see if they have the steel wire and see what I can duplicate/do as well.
I'm in the states and still at work so not able to play along with you. I'm sure time differences won't help either.
Regards,
Carl
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Is it the hot side or the cold side that you can light the light with? TEM/LMD on steroids anyone?
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Posted at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator)
Take it With a Grain of Salt
On Oct. 13, 2006, Mark Goldes, CEO of Magnetic Power, Inc, said:
I would take this with a very great grain of salt. Our team has looked carefully at this technology claim. We can't see anything in the videos that can't be faked (via batteries or wireless transmission of power). We also are privy to a person from Sweden who lost $80,000 to an individual (now deceased) in Perth, Australia, who said he had the authority to represent the technology. Furthermore, there has to be something seriously wrong if all these years later -- nearly a decade -- there still is nothing in the marketplace. There has not been any further news of prototyping and testing.
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Hi Dave,
The last posts in this forum are really amazing.
My post is an answer to your question and it is not related to the last posts here.
My set up for a bifilar coil experiment was next:
Equipment:
Function Generator, Oscilloscope with 1mv/div max sensitivity. Digital multimeter with ability to measure 0.0001 volt. Power Source Signal ? a car audio amplifier 300W. Frequency range was between 1 KHz and 15 KHz.
Coil:
Winding was done with 4 wires at a time, single layer, high quality coil, ferrite rod. Let?s number the wires from either side as 1, 2, 3, and 4. Assuming it, numbers 1 and 4 are representing the input bifilar coil. Numbers 2 and 3 represent output coil. In other words, the input coil are 2 wires outside and the output coil are 2 wires in the middle. The number of turns is 50. The wire type is 20G. At the other end the coils (1 and 4, 2 and 3) were connected in order to form two bifilar coils, output coil is in the middle of each turn of the input coil.
Testing for symmetry:
This is important. If the quality of windings is not good, you will be getting an output signal as a result of the asymmetry and not as a result of the HOOPER-MONSTEIN effect. How to test it? I had another coil wound on the ferrite rod. I powered that coil for a short time with about 70W signal and checked the signal in both bifilar coils. It was zero. When testing it, you have to load the output coil with some resistor, otherwise, you will be testing ?antenna effect? instead of real asymmetry/noise. I don?t remember exactly, but my each bifilar coil was 0.26 Ohm. The output coil was connected to 10-Ohm resistor to avoid any ?antenna effect?.
Results:
The set up was tested with the input power between 0 and 50W. The max output power was somewhere in the middle. With low input, it is obvious, the output was low too. With max input, the output was also low, which can be explain as increased cancellation of the magnetic flux because of the close proximity between each turn (4 wires) in the bifilar coils. The load was tested with a resistor between 10 Ohm and 1K. There was no difference in the output signal or input power consumption. The max amplitude of the output was around 0.5 V and was just enough to light a led.
Unusual:
When the output signal was connected to LC in series, the resonance was occurring with a very high hysteresis. The point of resonance was occurring far (higher frequency) after where it was supposed to be. When the frequency was going down, a perfect resonance continued to exist until the frequency was reaching the point far below the point of resonance and then abruptly disappearing.
Let me know if something wasn?t explained clear.
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Kames, you say you have a ferrite core.. Is it a toroidal ferrite core, from say, a monitor?
also, are your coils circumferentially wound, like antennas, or through the axis? I would assume through the axis since you are using a core.
Try replacing that ferrite with some garden wire, or speaker wire. ;)
It still won't be over unity, but you should see some stuff like Marco is posting.
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As a reminder:
There are over 100 dead scientists so far who had the ability to speak.
One of them was the promoter of free energy, Doctor Eugene Mallove
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=738 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=738)
How much you want to bet Tom bearden will be next. Anyone who speaks up will be shut down. Look, we all know the story about who thinks they can save the day ends their days.
No disrespect, Mr. Bearden. But we all know the costs and the enemies. Anyone pusuing this adventure can look at themselves as enemies of the state.
This thread has existed so far because of the safety in numbers. There is no such thing as 'Conspiracy theory'.
I wish us all well in this endeveavor.
I hate to post like this, but there are those that constantly say 'It can't be done, cause it would have already been done.' And I for one am tired of it. There are things far greater than our understanding that we have yet to come upon.
Gutenberg:
How many centuries did it take to get printed material?
Lister:
Operation using Lister's carbolic spray invented in 1869
Although his methods initially met with indifference and hostility, doctors gradually began to support his antiseptic techniques.
In 1870 Lister's antiseptic methods were used, by Germany, during the Franco-Prussian war saving many Prussian soldier's lives. In Germany, by 1878, Robert Koch was demonstrating the usefulness of steam for sterilizing surgical instruments and dressings.
126k abortions everyday.
tens of thousands starve to death every day.http://www.theradicaltruth.com/Footnotes/ff-starve-fn.htm (http://www.theradicaltruth.com/Footnotes/ff-starve-fn.htm)
And these things can be done?
We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
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Cliff, I posted challenges to those statements made the prestigious CEO of MPI. Just so they wouldn't go unanswered.
The article at PESWiki was largely negative regarding Mr. Mark. Nothing against you Mr. Allen, but that's largely why Mr. Mark is so reclusive in the first place. I'm not really feeling all that warm and fuzzy about the fact that Mr. Mark is having to re-read all that slander presented in those links. Although he doesn't reply much anymore, you can be sure he reads this.
At any rate, I'm having a home brew to toast a great week's work by all(taking Lindsay's advice). *raising my glass* Skol! Cheers! Prost! TCHIN TCHIN! A LA TIENNE! Mud in your eye! Hey, Howdy! Bottoms Up!
Oh, and to Giantkiller, perhaps I'm just paranoid, but I've been seeing a lot of black suburbans lately. Anyone else?
Regards,
Rich.
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Hi gn0stik,
No, I didn?t use a toroid. I used a standard ferrite rod from a radio it was wound like any standard internal radio antenna but with four wires at a time. The ferrite rod was from a very old radio and somewhat bigger is size that in modern radio. To do it with a garden wire would be a big challenge because a very good winding quality was required. I haven?t tried it using a toroid core. I might do it later. I have small toroids and a big one from a monitor. I did it about 2 years ago and I haven?t forgotten about it. Soon or later, I will come to this experiment again with some new ideas.
Right now, I am thinking about a different experiment. I don?t have yet a clear picture in my head for the actual set up but the idea, for simplicity is next.
The idea is to extract, if possible, any power from two identical charges, let?s say electrons or whatever. Imagine, two long wires in parallel, from north to south. In each wire there is an electron that moves either/or/and north or south. Can I get any power from them? Not yet. However, if I put some magnetic field that creates a pulling force on one elector towards, let?s say, west and another electron, let?s say east the picture is different. So, two electrons, in two wires, each one have an additional force applied and it is in DIFFERENT directions, perpendicular to the direction of the two wires or electrons movements.
I am still thinking about the actual set up for such an experiment.
Kames.
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From Mannix:
HYPOTHESIS
Assume the bottom example to be not two separate synchronized pulsed conductors, but as Tesla constructed, a large coil of a few turns of wire.
Stout wire as Mr. Mark would put it. Speaker wire perhaps? Mr. Mark's main work before the TPU was related to audio, specifically speakers.
I assumed that the collectors were stout wire, but not the controls. According to the diagram, the magnetic wave front producing wire would be analogous to controls. This is counter to the construction model that I had assumed. I thought the controls would be thinner wire in "many segments" wrapped around the "stout cable" of "many stranded wire".
Lindsay, Am I getting your description wrong, or am I wrong on my assumptions?
A frequency is chosen, such that the pulsed DC now sets up the magnetic wave fronts such that they coincide with one another in every turn of the coil. At each moving point of a DC "compression" pulse or wave, all the circular magnetic wave fronts would coincide. Imagine these wave fronts when the coil is now compressed into a single annular bundle of insulated conductors. The magnetic wave fronts would become additive, Now place a separate, thick conducting wire within the annular (toroidal) bundle.
OK, more confusion... don't get me wrong, I see what you are saying.. I makes perfect sense, but it's so counter to everything that I've been reading, and the assumptions I've been working under it's kind of throwing me for a loop (no pun intended, mate).
So we've got some thick (relative to my previous thinking)annular controls, short pieces, of a few turns per segment, wrapped around and even THICKER annular COLLECTOR. Is that correct? Now, the controls would have to be a very small number of turns, because being humans it would be very hard to get magnetic "wave" (we'll just call them that) fronts to coincide with eachother in a coil composed of a large number of turns.
So the controls are at 90 degrees, no inductions. Or at least, not the kind standard EM theory tells us is ideal. HOWEVER. We ARE squeezing the hose!
Am I on the right track here?
From the simplistic example above, we can see that the combined magnetic wave front impresses an immense pressure on the electrons at each point of overlap. Thus, a powerful pulsed DC current is set up within the separate, or off-take, current conducting wire. It can be easily visualized that there could be several "step" frequencies that could be pumped into the annular bundle, where more or less such wave fronts coincide. The greater the number of magnetic wave fronts that coincide with one another, the greater the combined coercive force driving electrons through the off-take conducting wire. This is where the analogy of squeezing the water through the garden hose from one end to the other truly makes sense.
Ok, so this solidifies the idea of Shorter bundles of wire, and many frequencies interacting with one another creating a synergy (the whole is more than the sum of it's parts). If I'm reading that right. I addressed the squeezing in the above commentary.
Rotational magnetic fields have also been mentioned in various dissertations as interacting with gravity. Setting up a DC pulsed ring thus actually does set up magnetic wave fronts that travel around the annular or toroidal bundle of wire and appear to have more and more effect as they all "line up'" and combine to become very powerful as they rotate around the annulus at a minimum speed of C. (As pulsed DC is used, there maybe a significant component of Radiant Energy that comes into play, and it would account for the additional power created, since the annulus appears to "organize" the direction and impact of ZPE into the L system through the collection coil.
So, this is the part that feeds the cornucopia of questions rolling around in my head. It sounds as if you have done this experiment. I note that you say a "minimum speed of C". The combining effect I understand, but that throws me. If it goes over C, then there would most definitely be gravitational effects, which would explain the motive force. However, it brings in a whole new paradigm of thinking about the device, and a whole new paradigm of thinking about it's possibilities. Are you suggesting there are antigravitational effects of the TPU?
Also, this hypothesis blows several theories out of the water. Counter-rotating magnetic fields for one. The reason we are focusing on frequency (not for energy gain, but for magnetic synchronicity). Much of the Bill Beaty stuff we were positive played a part, the schumanns 7.8hz, which I introduced, is not needed, or at least not relevent for the reasons I thought it was.
This hypothesis requires an entire new paradigm of thinking.
Last question: How much of this is theory, and how much is tested? I know this is a learning experiment, but it would help a lot if we knew that this is more than just prostelization. That you have quantified some of it somehow.
Anxiously awaiting your response.
Rich.
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author=dean_mcgowan
I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
What a load of crap.
Capacitance, inductance and resistance are present in all wires to varying degrees.
By this very fact capacitors, coils and resistors are ANALOG to suggest otherwise is tripe. DIGITAL my arse.
It is the infinite non-step like features of analog circuits that make them so suitable for the task at hand.
One of the reasons why eletron tubes would be far more suitable because they allow far more harmonics to progress around an analog circuit.
You may be able to tune your coils to a particular resonant frequency without an additional capacitor but this doesn't mean there is no capacitance in your circuit. Capacitance introduced by your choice of insulation between layers; distance apart of the turns; diameter of wire; size of coil; choice of former; tension on the wire; precision in winding etc.
It's already well understood that fast rise and fall times along with short impulse times coupled with a circuit that never allows reversal of current (diode operation) are required to generate radiant energy. It is more than clear from Tao's work and confirmation from Steven Mark that this is the direction to take.
A spark gap is a good initial choice because it has the attributes of incredibly fast rise time and fall time, and provides a high voltage diode action, and a switching action. By definition if voltage could be applied instantly to the wire the harmonics would continue on into infinity. High voltage capacitors by definition are able to present large amounts of charge to a wire via an appropriate switch.
It is precisely these very high frequency harmonics that we are after in our coil circuits as it is the interaction of these frequencies that can then be observed and deductions made on the right combination of frequencies to use to achieve the desired result.
You'll note from the comments by Lindsay Mannix that they are looking for appropriate switching mechanisms. Fast rise times are not the problem. It's the fast fall times that is the issue. MOSFETS only go to around 1500V. IGBTs go to much higher voltages but have much lower switching times because their trailing edge keeps going - the current doesn't shut off smoothly.
Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.
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maybe there are three coils?
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top and bottom connected in series and middle rapped around at 90 degrees as illustrated previously
hi,
I do use 3 coils but they are wrapped over each other so there isnt a coil inside a coil.
But i dont switch them into paralel nor in series becase im using 2 seperate input channels and one (lets say middle) coil as output.
Its just so that i can run both coils (Async) against each other to see what comes out of coil 3
I wil see if i can get a camera somewhere for some pics.
greets marco.
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just revisiting some earlier posts to see if they are again relative ...
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tao,
I think we are seing things come full circle back to the much more simple interpretations of the SM device.
I did a few experiments with small coils in a transmitter reciever feedback loop earlier on and got nominal effects , tested by touching on my tongue .. lol .. but still, induced current no doubt. These were only tiny effects and could have been ascribed to inductance. But my gut is telling me Marco is on the money !!!
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Another more natural way of creating the switching may be simply inducing a feedback loop in the circuit that has a natural phase cancellation thus opening and closing the loop allowing for the natural capacitance and voltage multiplication to self regulate. I thought this made sense when considering the system based on longitudinal waveforms. This diagram is crude but let me know what you think?
I have 2 small ring magnets wound seperately using a single steel wire and an iron core wound with copper wire.
The mass of the 2 seperate circuits is the same and I have brought into contact a small neodymium magnet to the copper wound iron core. Results .. inconclusive, too small a scale to make any validatable observations, though It did seem to be totally ineffective when the device was not in the upright position.
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This is my interpretation of the system however I have deviated from the Steven Marks device as I considered that the copper winding is around the outside of the circuit, however this may only be an issue of semantics.
I put this forward as I am of the opinion that efforts may be being made on non essential components as often included/excluded in demonstrations and patents for such devices. I also accept this may be an over simplification of the device.
Regards,
Dean McGowan
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Marco
Your last video is awesome!
It may be obvious to all and not mentioned, but I hear a high frequency squeal as your hand gets near and touches the coil. It sounds like the frequency goes higher the closer your hand gets. The higher frequencies generate higher voltages to the bulb making it glow brighter.
It sounds to my ear at about the 15Khz range? If you wound a few turns around the bulb wire and fed it to a frequency counter, it might give us an extra clue as to what's going on?
Hope this helps,
tishatang
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marcos,
are you seeing the kicks, with your latest experiments? or just the the transfering of power, like an antenna through your body? you said you were getting some physical sensations, what are they like? maybe like a static build up or what. have you maybe tried discharging yourself through any other metal maybe like a doorknob when feeling the sensations? just curious.
lol, keep up the good work,
sam
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marcos,
are you seeing the kicks, with your latest experiments? or just the the transfering of power, like an antenna through your body? you said you were getting some physical sensations, what are they like? maybe like a static build up or what. have you maybe tried discharging yourself through any other metal maybe like a doorknob when feeling the sensations? just curious.
lol, keep up the good work,
sam
sam hi, :)
im still trying to post part 4 of the videos.
the physical thing is only power flowing thrue my body as it gets above 30 volt it begins to tingle.
does anybody know about another forum thats not a bunch of crap like this one has become....?
marco
Marco,
I've offered but nobody seems interested. www.gn0sis.com, No banners, no ads, no disabling javascript, everyone can upload to the files section, everyone can blog. If you want, you can put all of your experimenting in your personal blog there and post a link to that in the forums, etc. It's a true community site, not just forums.
So, Tao, et al. I agree the stuff Mannix posted seems counter to what we thought we KNEW about the opertion of SM's device. That's why I gave him a chance to answer those questions. I know that we a lot of stuff that we discovered, that seemed to fit perfectly with SM's device, but why would Lindsay post that if he didn't have a good reason to think it was accurate, even if SM didn't give it to us. Also, I agree that it seems to contradict some of Steven's other posts. Construction details, wire orientation, etc seem to be thrown out in this post. I'm hoping he responds to my post. I'd just like to know if it was simple brainstorming, or if it's a tested design, and if so, what were the results, and setup?
Z_P_E, the effect he was talking about could be created with wires at 90 to the collectors.
All, the biggest problem I have with it, is getting those little magnetic pulses to line up, that would be next to impossible without EXTREMELY accurate equipment. That is not to say that I don't have other problems with it.
@Mannix... Little help here, how did you come across this hypothesis, is this the result of vigorous testing? If so, what were the setups, and results?
Regards,
Rich
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Merry X-Mas....
I will explain all this later in detail, time for bed....
What do you all think?
Hi Tao,
The text on your markcoils.gif picture says, in reference to what SM has said about the device: "...abrupt DC discharges from capacitors...". Do you have the actual reference to that post? I would like to go though that text again.
Regards,
Jacob
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We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
Giantkiller, you are 100% right! We are still barbarians! In fact I am not sure the world is ready for this technology. It is a shame to keep it aside because so many people could benefit from it. However, within the wrong hands, it could do much harm... So what shall we do? Personally, I don't know.
As for the dead scientists, some of them died from natural causes, like Nikola Tesla for instance. But let's think about it for a moment. Why has his name been carefully barred from just about every mainstream scientific litterature despite his formidable technical contribution to the world? Simply because he had the secret of free energy and wasn't greedy enough to withold this information. He wanted to share it with the world, free of charge! It is said that his plan for the magnifying transmitter was to build a huge version of it and locate it on a remote island in order to supply the whole planet with electrical energy. Now I wonder: where on a desolated island, away from everything, do you find so much electricity?
Regards,
Jacob
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Posted at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator)
Take it With a Grain of Salt
On Oct. 13, 2006, Mark Goldes, CEO of Magnetic Power, Inc, said:
I would take this with a very great grain of salt. Our team has looked carefully at this technology claim. We can't see anything in the videos that can't be faked (via batteries or wireless transmission of power). We also are privy to a person from Sweden who lost $80,000 to an individual (now deceased) in Perth, Australia, who said he had the authority to represent the technology. Furthermore, there has to be something seriously wrong if all these years later -- nearly a decade -- there still is nothing in the marketplace. There has not been any further news of prototyping and testing.
Anyone is entitled to his own idea about this technology. But one's opinion about something can't change reality. For instance, the fact that one believes in God or not has absolutely no impact on His existence.
I am sorry to be so uncompromising, but the TPU is as real as the air we breathe or the water we drink. And anyone who is not convinced of it should not waste his time here. As for why the device is not yet on the market, I think the answer is pretty obvious, isn't?
Regards,
Jacob
P.S.: Sterlinga, please do not take this personally, you are welcome here. And by the way, your wife is very beautiful. What a lucky guy you are!
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Thanks Jacob...
I am posting regurjatative material for sole purpose of asking the same questions again.
Do we or are we going to get the wiring specs on the coils as in the diagrams and the frequencies:
The wire gauges of all, the inner & outter coils windings diameters and each coil diameter.
The number of turns of the collector.
I have derived that the inner and outter coils are pulsed and the collector is used for listening. Right? This loop stills looks like directional attennae.
3 coils are mentions. But the 1st great picture posted by Tao shows 3 collector, 3 inner, 1 outter. But the last picture truley shows 3 total. Based on that last one I've attached more 3d pix. Which diagram should we go by.
But the most important question now is do these things matter. If we go haphazardly winding then do any configurations work as long as the magnetic fields are generated and captured in the fashion by Tao's last description.
A number of experiementers here have gotten results that seem to add up to the big design.
I submit for your approval.
--giantkiller
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We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
Giantkiller, you are 100% right! We are still barbarians! In fact I am not sure the world is ready for this technology. It is a shame to keep it aside because so many people could benefit from it. However, within the wrong hands, it could do much harm... So what shall we do? Personally, I don't know.
As for the dead scientists, some of them died from natural causes, like Nikola Tesla for instance. But let's think about it for a moment. Why has his name been carefully barred from just about every mainstream scientific litterature despite his formidable technical contribution to the world? Simply because he had the secret of free energy and wasn't greedy enough to withold this information. He wanted to share it with the world, free of charge! It is said that his plan for the magnifying transmitter was to build a huge version of it and locate it on a remote island in order to supply the whole planet with electrical energy. Now I wonder: where on a desolated island, away from everything, do you find so much electricity?
Regards,
Jacob
GAHHHH!!!! THE WORLD IS READY. I hate this friggin disdain for humanity... Leedskalnin thought the world wasn't ready for his technology, Bruce Perreault has said crap like that. That's the attitude that the friggin MIB's have and it's a pompous, self-righteous pile of bullshit! The Printing press caused more strife than this will, the Automobile did. AND STILL IS TODAY.. Now there's a technology that the world wan't ready for.. PETROLEUM!
Will it be hard before it gets better? YES! We buried our selves, now, we have to dig ourselves out, and it won't be pretty. People will die, they already have. But make no mistake, the world is ready. We are long past ready. Free energy technology should have, and COULD have been introduces several times.
@Z_P_E: according to my understanding of Tesla's and Gray's technology, does not involve magnetic fields, nor opposing fields. Like to see the references* as you have indicated.
Not perhaps, tesla, and gray's technologies, but check out Metal Detectors. They work on a principle similar, but opposite in application. They work by cancelling colliding magnetic fields, and detuning to cancel out the earth's field, so that they can detect eddy currents in metals.
I tink Tao, intended to post a link to a reference, but forgot. He wouldn't have starred it like that if He didn't.
@Tao, That's basically how I thought it worked too. (the second picture), but Marco's results, and That Mannix post are tripping me out. We just need someone to test our hypotheses that we've worked up over time, to put the question to rest once and for all. Are we on the right track.
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@gn0stik
You previoulsy asked the design document and how I am gathering it.
I message the page to me that has results, web findings, or drawings.
That is basically all I can get away with now. We have all talked about this threading site is not a good repository search mechanism. I have worked on a number of them before and it has to be powerful, communinal, and the ability to publisize in an open environment with the submitted documents open for group opinion and democratic hiearchy of manipulation. And two things above all. Cross linked navigation and tree navigation. These 2 items greatly speed things up.
We will see what the next version of the Overunity site has to offer. I hope it maintains the previous page numbering.
Sigh...
Are we not attacking a complex problem? Is really that complex a solution compared to the information gathering?
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Thanks Jacob...
I am posting regurjatative material for sole purpose of asking the same questions again.
Do we or are we going to get the wiring specs on the coils as in the diagrams and the frequencies:
The wire gauges of all, the inner & outter coils windings diameters and each coil diameter.
The number of turns of the collector.
I have derived that the inner and outter coils are pulsed and the collector is used for listening. Right? This loop stills looks like directional attennae.
3 coils are mentions. But the 1st great picture posted by Tao shows 3 collector, 3 inner, 1 outter. But the last picture truley shows 3 total. Based on that last one I've attached more 3d pix. Which diagram should we go by.
But the most important question now is do these things matter. If we go haphazardly winding then do any configurations work as long as the magnetic fields are generated and captured in the fashion by Tao's last description.
A number of experiementers here have gotten results that seem to add up to the big design.
I submit for your approval.
--giantkiller
GK, Sorry we don't have the specs on the specifics of the wiring of the TPU.
We know that the innermost circumferentially wound wire, that we are calling the collector is composed of a few turns of Stout, Multi-stranded wire. In the screengrabs I've seen, and the image manipulation we've done of those, it looks like no more than 3 or 4 turns..
The inner controls are wrapped around each of these collectors in "several segments", how many segments? We don't know. I would assume however it's an even number. However, If it's a triphase approach, then it's got to be divisible by thee, however it could be six, depending on how these are wired together. I have posted a diagram with four. A rotating compass however could indicate that the coils on either side of the toroid are wired in series to eachother since the south pole would have to be opposite the north one, or the compass would not spin. How many turns for each segment? Nobody knows. The gauge? Again nobody knows, but the smaller devices show bifilar windings around the upper disk on the part we can see that is exposed, and it's not a terribly heavy gauge.
The outer control coils encase all of the above.. On all three toroids. How are the toroids connected together? Two in parallel one in series? Two in series one in parallel? We don't know. If SM's remarks are to be taken as hints it would seem the former. Which would also line up with CTGLab's (Dave's) results with his transformers in phase. However, Steven talks about the interaction between coils connected OPPOSITE(inphase?) eachother, or out of phase which would mean they are not additive according to Dave's experimentation. Something else is in play. What we have not tested is the OPPOSITE eachother, whatever SM meant by that.
How is the outer winding around all three connected? Again, I don't know. We have only theory that needs to be tested by experimenters like yourself. It would seem to me that it's connected to the inner coils on one end, and the cap/resistor pairs on the other to form resonant LCs. But that's just speculation.
BTW.. does anyone know which page the hose analogy is on? I can't find it anymore.
Regards,
Gn0stik
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Thanks Jacob...
I am posting regurjatative material for sole purpose of asking the same questions again.
Do we or are we going to get the wiring specs on the coils as in the diagrams and the frequencies:
The wire gauges of all, the inner & outter coils windings diameters and each coil diameter.
The number of turns of the collector.
I have derived that the inner and outter coils are pulsed and the collector is used for listening. Right? This loop stills looks like directional attennae.
3 coils are mentions. But the 1st great picture posted by Tao shows 3 collector, 3 inner, 1 outter. But the last picture truley shows 3 total. Based on that last one I've attached more 3d pix. Which diagram should we go by.
But the most important question now is do these things matter. If we go haphazardly winding then do any configurations work as long as the magnetic fields are generated and captured in the fashion by Tao's last description.
A number of experiementers here have gotten results that seem to add up to the big design.
I submit for your approval.
--giantkiller
Hi Giantkiller,
I appreciate your trust, but am I still waiting for inspiration (if you know what I mean) about whether or not I should go public with what I know about this device.
Regards,
Jacob
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We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
Giantkiller, you are 100% right! We are still barbarians! In fact I am not sure the world is ready for this technology. It is a shame to keep it aside because so many people could benefit from it. However, within the wrong hands, it could do much harm... So what shall we do? Personally, I don't know.
As for the dead scientists, some of them died from natural causes, like Nikola Tesla for instance. But let's think about it for a moment. Why has his name been carefully barred from just about every mainstream scientific litterature despite his formidable technical contribution to the world? Simply because he had the secret of free energy and wasn't greedy enough to withold this information. He wanted to share it with the world, free of charge! It is said that his plan for the magnifying transmitter was to build a huge version of it and locate it on a remote island in order to supply the whole planet with electrical energy. Now I wonder: where on a desolated island, away from everything, do you find so much electricity?
Regards,
Jacob
GAHHHH!!!! THE WORLD IS READY. I hate this friggin disdain for humanity... Leedskalnin thought the world wasn't ready for his technology, Bruce Perreault has said crap like that. That's the attitude that the friggin MIB's have and it's a pompous, self-righteous pile of bullshit! The Printing press caused more strife than this will, the Automobile did. AND STILL IS TODAY.. Now there's a technology that the world wan't ready for.. PETROLEUM!
Will it be hard before it gets better? YES! We buried our selves, now, we have to dig ourselves out, and it won't be pretty. People will die, they already have. But make no mistake, the world is ready. We are long past ready. Free energy technology should have, and COULD have been introduces several times.
Hi Rich,
Please do not think that I speak out of disdain for humanity. Actually, it is quite the opposite. But unlimited energy to all can be frightening thought. Don't get me wrong: I like very much the idea of homeless people having their own portable heater. But honestly, thinking that the communist party of China who is well on its way to own ALL the manufacturing capabilities on this planet could also have ALL the energy it want scares me a little bit.
Regards,
Jacob
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GK, Sorry we don't have the specs on the specifics of the wiring of the TPU.
Rich, I am sorry to disagree with you, but some people here know EXACTLY how this device is wired INCLUDING the control circuitry and can therefore account for every single control or collector coil.
Regards,
Jacob
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And lets not forget this one also:
(and to Jacob: you can't be seriously suggesting that YOU are the block between world domination by China getting free energy IF YOU let out the secrets of free energy, lol.)(you can keep whatever it is you want to go public about)(there will be no CARROT-DANGLING around here man)(Give it up, or let it be, boasting gets you no where)
Hi Tao,
No, I am not suggesting this, neither am I dangling a carrot. I am just honestly reacting to a post that was adressed to me.
Regards,
Jacob
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some people here know EXACTLY how this device is wired INCLUDING the control circuitry and can therefore account for every single control or collector coil.
Regards,
Jacob
Well jacob :)
let me adress a question to you then....
Who would those some people be?
greetings marco.
SM for one. Certainly also the M.I.B. And maybe one or two other. But let me ask you a question. What would YOU do with this knowledge exactly? Suppose you could reproduce the TPU, wouldn't you think seriously about what to do with this information. Really put youself in this situation and think about it for a minute. Think of all the positive and the negative impact this technology can bring about. This question is worthy of a deep and serious reflection, don't you think?
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Tao,
No, I am not suggesting this, neither am I dangling a carrot. I am just honestly reacting to a post that was adressed to me.
Regards,
Jacob
Hi Jacob,
I honestly respect that. Fine, allow me to ask a question then.
Have you ever seen a Steve Mark device in person, and if not, are you basing the knowledge about which you could go public, on your personal theories which you consider facts or on the insight or knowledge of someone who knows Steven Mark's devices?
tao
Hi Tao,
The answer to your question is C (on the insight or knowledge of someone who knows Steven Mark's devices)
Regards,
Jacob
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Jacob, free energy would destroy any possiblity of Manufacturing Monopoly by China. It would mean other countries could compete because of a lowering of overhead. People were saying the same thing about Japan, and Taiwan 20 years ago. China will make enough money that their decaying communist structure will eventually collapse, and capitalism will rule the day, bringing incomes up, placing them in the same place it has placed everyone else. People will want too much money to do the jobs they did before and it will just not work. Korea has a thousand times more staying power in that arena than china does. Next it will be South American communists that fill the vaccum that china leaves when their death rattle finally subsides. Chavez is already ramping up.
It would also mean that countries who were never players on the world stage could be. Imagine what would happen if Africa could water their deserts. Imagine if NK had no excuse to build nuclear reactors.. They would have no excuse to persue ANY NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGY.. free energy would be abundant, and hence no stepladder to tactical nuclear research under the guise of energy research.
It would get worse before it got better, yes. But no solution to the worlds problems will just meander into utopia. We have to work for it. It's delusional to think that we can get out of this corner we've painted ourselves into without getting paint on our socks.
The ULITMATE good is the end goal. That's what we need to focus on, not the uncomfortable reality that a shift geopolitical concerns will take place. It will cause just as much good as bad in that arena. It will create far more wealth than poverty, and that's why it's being opressed. Energy = wealth. The powers that be do not want people printing their own money.. No matter what form it comes in.
So. I'd like to hear what you know about the device Jacob. We've posted about 200 pages this last month. I hold no hostility to you in this area. I'd just like to hear it. And who it came from.
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@Tao,
first.....
I've studied your drawings of how the tpu could work and think you might be near. Just about your second drawing i have a remark.
I think it can't work that way because the flux of the inner control coils wouldn't go back around the outside of the same coil. Instead there would be just one big flux going around the toroid (the flux from one control coil would just link up with the next one).
So, in my opinion you're first drawing makes much more sense.
second....
It seems fairly easy to test your theory by winding two (opposite) coils and put a wire (collector) through it. Pulse it, and see if you can measure anything on the collector wire. Basicly that would just be an outcut of the toroid......
Maybe someone that has the equipment can test it.....
regards Dutchy
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@marco
Hi, I went to google and saw the video. The 4th part was impressive. Just to recap can you post a schematic with the coil specs and the metals involved for the for step. I am having trouble finding iron wire here in Denver.
Thanks.
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tao,
don't get me wrong, i really like your setup!!!!
giantkiller,
i think your three d is AWSOME!!!! could you picture it with the two windings connecting in the center of the toroid, and the collector wire wrapped tirht around the inside? i think then you will have something. i am not talking tightly wound, but 1.618 larger diameter on the inside of your first looped coil to your horizontal, main collector and then 1.618 larger diamter for your outer looped coil greater than the middle. then i think you will have something. then connect your outer coil and inner coil through dave's first two parrellel transformers, and i think you will have something.
lol
sam
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@Sam,
Thanks for the i think your three d is AWSOME!!!!. The reason it has to be, is because the closer the model is to visual thought the more it makes people dream of possibilities. Which brings me to your words. I don't do words real well. But if you could use MSpaint with lines and circles and blocks with labels then post them I would have a better idea. And what does this all do? It builds the design document and publisizes each individual's thinking for review. Group think.
Pretty pictures sell more goods than anything else. They can also steal you blind.
--giantkiller
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Tao, first, I don't think Jacob was necessarily saying he knew exactly how the device works. He said he knew something about it, and was wondering if he should go public about it.
I think it's pretty shitty for you to come down on him so hard. You have contributed quite a bit to this thread, sure, but you are not the only source of wisdom around here. This is a collaborative effort.
I get just as frustrated as you that people are not testing our setups, but it's no reason to go postal.
For all we know He could have some very valuable information. I don't agree with his attitude about releasing free energy to the world, but if he has something info, I for one want to hear it, and see how it fits in to what we know of the TPU. I see no reason to come down on him like that.
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cliff,
could you please post the specs or some video footage of your previous experiments? it sounds to me like you were on to something, whether you knew it or not ,at the time. sounds interesting because it seems the outcome is the same as marcos. how did you do it? can't wait to hear.
lol
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Hi,
The goog vid post came up blank on my pc.
Tnx
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Fascinating.
I?ve always had a direction that I knew I should go.
But the meshing of Steven Mark?s posting here fits to a T .though i'm still "matrixing" it all together.
Now just how to,,,,,
>if you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain
>speed you create an electron flow which is DC
>HE said that one day in his laboratory he was noticing that there were some
>reactions on his magnetometer for no reason he could understand.
>Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory. He noticed that most of the time
>the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would
>fluctuate just slightly. however one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite
>unpredictably. It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were
>reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn't it?
I built a detector once long ago that could register your presence up to 4-6 feet away(set millivolt, FET meter). But worked much better during a thunder storm.
Was a ion detector.
a post i did a while back on my research's on another group please note ****
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I have been interested in UFO back engineering and came to some
conclusions
One of them involves the "glowing mist" that is sometimes seen around
UFO's
Either completely or on "one end" of these craft.
Another effect that seems to be prominent is charged particle beams that
extend from some of these craft that at first glance look like
ordinary light beams
But I believe are charged particle based.
****Another common effect it tingling or prickling felt be people close to
UFO's including spark discharges from metal objects near these craft.****
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interesting, isn't it :)
Cliff
Hi,
I have also posted previoulsy about the huge number of similarities between what we have seen about UFos and how that different parts of the freq range produces. Search on Hutchison effect on americanantigravity.com. If you search on Hamel Disk, Mr hamel has described what his device did but with mechanical means. Hoax or not, it does make you think. It includes high freq screaming, charged particle glow, levitation, and vertical acceleration upward into disappearance into the sky.
Another one was the 1st 'Back to the future' movie at the antigrav skateboard scene. These included 6" small rotationg fields. Even if Hollywood didn't know what they were doing it sure is a cool similarity again.
http://www.alienvideo.net/seti-makes-contact.php the smoking gun video.
http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/112/1/Hutchison-Effect-Video/Page1.html
http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Stan-Deyo-Antigravity-2005.pdf
Anyway, something for thought.
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Marco's video on U.S. Google site:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1682527236635540362&q=gravity+capacitor&hl=en
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@Marco & Kent
On Overunity site you turn off javascripting.
But you need turn it back on again for elsewhere, like for google vids. ;)
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YEAA!!!!!,
IT PROBABLY IS JUST NOTHING MORE THAN PARANOIA!!!! surely no one be trying to mess with a website like this? possibly? maybe?
you can't jump to conclussions just because someone might be!! CAN YOU?
LOL
SAM
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The day when we shall know exactly what electricity is, will chronical an event probably greater, more important than any other in the history of the human race. Then it will be a mere question of time when men will succede
in attatching their machines to the very wheelwork of nature......see the excitement coming....
Nikola Tesla
Researchers: Read about magnetic current, what it is, how it is made, what makes it, and the way it runs in the wire. Then you will know what the individual North and South pole magnets can do.
Then you will know what electricity is.
Edward Leedskalnin......
It has occurred to me that people still do not know what electricity is? Electricity is composed of 2 forces, not one! They are running against each other in a wire in a right hand twisting motion and both forces are thrown out from the wire at 90 deg to it depending on the direction it is travelling...Those 2 forces running in the wire also have a natural direction they follow around the Earth, yet people cannot understand why Steven's device lost power when turned over? This shows that nobody, including Steven, really understand what the cosmic forces are....
I used only an 18" long copper wire, a battery, and 2 needles to find out what electricity is....
I can show all here exactly what happens in a collapsing coil, pulsed with a square wave or a sine wave, and i can tell you all that there is a big difference in what happens in the wire....I know exactly how the higher voltages are made by the collapsing coil and can show it with diagrams....There are also many physical test you could do to show how it works too.
The problem is, that you all would have to throw away your text books, for they are wrong, and i find that nobody wants to do that.
Those 2 forces are so small, they can pass through anything....
Sometime next year i will have a rough draft of my work for review...then you all can test it and see 8)
Before i go i will also say that a U shaped electromagnet with a keeper bar magnetized onto the prongs, does in fact hold a small "electric" current in the metal, the same way as a copper wire carries current...
I have tested this beyond any doubt. Though everyone doubts ;)
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mannix,
i don't mean to be a pain, but, is that not just the second part of the post that you said was ,stevens, just a couple of nights ago. now it is not. i think tao already had this figured out. don't just take your toys and go home because the advertisers are having trouble keeping up with the pace on this site. trust me i know how frustrating it can be. however, i think we have more important things to do than bitch! the drawing you have posted. is just conjecture on your part or someone else. have you tested it or had any real results from it . if so do you have any video you can post? i can't wait to hear, that is if the MIB don't get you first.
oh by the way i think, marcos has found the "kicks" while you were gone. now you show up with a coil. oh first you show up with marcos coil and say steven just posted it and now you show up with the other half and say it's not stevens,duh,.
comeon get back with it. i know you have got to have more than you are giving.
lol
sam
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@Mannix
Can you post just the last pic TPxUFUNCTION.jpg (81 KB, 1657x1185 - viewed 36 times.)
looking at the loop before you post no more?
Pls, tnx.
--giantkiller
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@mannix,
never mind. It came thru.
--giantkiller
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lindsay,
sorry, if i was wrong, but i guess you to have tried to go back and find something on this web site. my real question is, how does your drawings, relate to "stevens" posts?
lol
sam
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mannix,
i hope you have not taken offence, at my frustration with this website, of late. i only wanted you to answer my question. i can't quote you personally!!! i just hope you endure untill the end with the rest of us.
i did thonk that the last post was comming from steven, i am sorry if it was not, but my question stands.
lol
sam
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argonna 369,
I DIDN'T START THAT POST!
LOL
SAM
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Chill gentlemen...
I, of all, know this rat race. At times being a Lone designer have had the pleasure of having the whole idea at my disposal.
This is a group plan. Let's play nice, kapeesh? Each one definately has value to add.
I should talk, eh?
--giantkiller.
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This is very serious!
What things are gone?
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THE WHOLE SITE!!!!! IT WAS AN ATTEMPT TO BREAKUP THIS SITE INTO AN EXPERIMENTS ONLY SITE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. EXCEPT THAT ALL OF THE OTHER SITES HERE ARE HAVING THE SAME PROBLEMS!!!!
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I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA!!!! HOWEVER IT JUST DISAPEARED!!!!
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Hello All,
I?ve just been sitting here in front of the computer for over 7 hrs just to catch up with all the exciting things happening here on this thread in the past few days! (I last left off at pg. 378). As I read through the posts, I picked a few to respond too (there were so many that I wanted to comment on but it was a long way back). I?ll start by replying to a few posts and then I have some information to offer about transverse electricity iron wire which may help to tie all of this together (assuming that iron wire is used at all). I am currently working on a document to combine all of my thoughts on the subject and will post it as soon as it is complete :)
Like Taos and Hungarian fellow. If two EM waves add and give four times the power, you can feed some back and take some out, the feedback signal will increase the output again giving another squared output. Since there is always 4 times not double you get 2 x extra energy on every feedback signal! It can start low and build up. If you dont "clip" it, it will burn itself out.
SM says multiples frequency can combine in to this kick. Perhaps here he hits same frequency and phase at random by using noise and gets Hungarian effect, or perhaps several frequencys mixing can create even higher spikes than 4x by this non-linear schrodinger wave?
By the way, good breakdown/analysis! I would comment further, but I have to leave work now to go home. Back later!
Regards,
Dave.
Dave, I have also noticed this 4X amplification effect in the little transformer I have been playing around with! When I tuned it to it's 'sweet spot' the 9.2 volt input I had going in turned into about 37 volts coming out! And the amplification was pretty stable at that value! Keep in mind that I was using a 1:1 toroidal transformer in this case which was pulsed with square waves using only one wire!!
so i guess we all know this....
it does not stay on the copper but it does on the iron coil.
thats a diffrence isnt it?
i wonder if we could do something with it.
Hi Marco, I think I know exactly what makes Iron wire soo special!!! (other than the fact that it is magnetic). I will explain the details of this soon in my writeup.
jason,
think about three collector coils, three toroids in each coil, "three in parallel, 2 in series and 1 in parallel." seems like alot of prime numbers to me. all that add to 5, 6, 8,or nine. make fun if you want.
lol
sam
Hi Sam,
Actually, I KNOW that what you are talking about is absolutely right. If you Google my screen name, Jdo300, on the net, you will see a lot of my posts from the MinatoWheel Yahoo group (magnet motors) where I talk about how Fibonacci numbers and prime numbers seem to be reoccurring patterns not only in nature but also in magnet motor designs. The idea of ?broken symmetry? relates beautifully to the idea. If you ever dive into it deeper, you find that geometrical shapes like vortices and toroids (yes toroids!) are fundamental shapes that energy likes to travel in. Check out this link here: http://montalk.net/science/71/coanda-soliton-effect. It talks about the something called the Coanda-Soliton effect which deals big-time with toroidal shapes (and strangely enough, Stan Deyo is mentioned in it too ;)).
@Everyone,
I can see that there has been a bit of ?mess? going on in this thread lately. I know many people have said this over and over again, but I?ll repeat it once more. We are all here to accomplish a common goal, that being to understand the working of Mr. Mark?s TPU. People like Lindsay, Tao, gn0stik, Dave, giantKiller, marco (and many others of course) have contributed lots of great information for us to ponder over, so please, let us put our anxieties, suspicions, and slanderous remarks aside so we can focus on our common goal. I for one have gone on an immense learning curve from keeping up with this thread and I would hate to see all of the great minds we have here go to waste.
Keep on keepin? on everyone :).
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Marco,
What brand of iron wire were you using in the videos? I see that it is green (assuming it's enamled or something). Where did you buy it from? So far, all the iron wire I have is uninsulated.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Nice idea Marco,
I'll try it ;)
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Marco,
Your a champion, thats it, lets just get on with the experiments, only way were going to findout.
Like a little kid playing in a big play yard, so many things to discover.....it helps to be a kid.
I will try it as well regarding the iron wire, ive tried copper wire before but i dont think i got much from it, will try iron wire instead,
To All the Builders out there , well done and keep up the good work
Ciao,
Dom ;D
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Dave, I have also noticed this 4X amplification effect in the little transformer I have been playing around with! When I tuned it to it's 'sweet spot' the 9.2 volt input I had going in turned into about 37 volts coming out! And the amplification was pretty stable at that value! Keep in mind that I was using a 1:1 toroidal transformer in this case which was pulsed with square waves using only one wire!!
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
Would you be so kind as to draw what you've done. I like to test that too. What exactly was the input signal (9.2 volts pulsed dc from a signal generator? What frequency?)
Does this mean that you're not drawing any power from the source since you only have one wire connected?
Regards,
Dutchy
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Hi Marco,
What brand of iron wire were you using in the videos? I see that it is green (assuming it's enamled or something). Where did you buy it from? So far, all the iron wire I have is uninsulated.
God Bless,
Jason O
That is just garden wire Jason, It's the stuff you can get at any hardware store in the garden section. It's usually used to wire up baby plants until they are strong enough to support themselves. It's also used to shape bonsai trees etc. The coating is plastic, and serves as insulation, but finding out what the insulation value is will probably be impossible, as it's just there to prevent it from rusting in the elements.
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you all should ->
grab your voltmeter.
grab a piece of wire.
place the wire beteween the measure pins of the meter.
move the magnet along the wire and look at the meter.
now disconnect one of the pins of the meter.
move the magnet again along the wire again now its only conected at one end.
watch the meter.
grab abother piece of wire.
put it to the open connector.
now move the magnet along the two open wires.
watch the meter again.
marco
Marco,
Should we use copper or iron wire?
Regards Dutchy
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"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE.
SINCERELY,
SM."
Well, while were analyzing the above quote, look at : ""YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE ", what do you think Steven means by that, that the FIELD itself is what causes the electrons to flow in the wire? Or that a rotating field generates energy that is then used to cause a potential difference across said wire, thereby making electrons flow?
Maybe it is time to expand a little bit on this subject. I have already done it briefly, but it seems to have been overlooked. So let's go over this again... This stuff is important
What are the kicks
When an EMF is applied across a circuit, the charged particles (i.e.: electrons) are set in motion in a compounded streptoidal movement. A streptoid is like a spiral. So we first have a main spiral (remember the skin effect). But if you close up on the spiralling "line", you can see that although it may look like a solid line from afar, it is itself a spiral. Then, if you look closer once again at that second spiral, you'll see a third one and so on.
This compounded streptoidal motion causes multiple synchronized rotational magnetic fields to appear within the conductor. The more important the current flow, the more of these rotational magnetic fields are produced because more particles are involved.
Now, as the speed of the particles increases (or decreases if we are interrupting the flow), the rotational frequency of these magnetic fields also increases or decreases. At some point, this rotational frequency becomes resonant with the earth magnetic field and it is at this very moment that, for a split second, energy is transferred from the earth magnetic field to the conductor. This is the kick.
Applying this to the TPU
In the TPU, we are are also creating a rotational magnetic field. The trick is simply to rotate this field at the correct frequency. When this frequency is reached, we have a state of magnetic resonance "within the space of the collector coils". Remember what SM said about the compass when the TPU reaches it's designed optimum state: its needle stops. This is similar to what can be observed when a signal generator is connected to a parallel LC circuit. The current that flows from the generator to the tank virtually stops when the resonant frequency of the circuit is reached. The same is indicated by the compass needle when the rotational magnetic field becomes resonant. And when this condition happens, bingo! You have just created a condition "WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE". Lots of current!
Regards,
Jacob
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"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE.
SINCERELY,
SM."
This is what I'm experimenting with right now, no results yet:
Visualize that experiment with a piece of wire and a magnet. Run the magnet lenghtwise to the wire and observe the voltage pulse generated in the wire.
Make the wire into a loop and run the magnet along the loop. Same effect.
Increase the magnet speed to increase the voltage. Pulse width is decreased.
Use more magnets, say four, equally spaced. You'll get four pulses in the wire loop.
Adjust the rotation speed to get pulse superposition.
Use several control coils to simulate the magnets running along the loop.
Make more loops to increase the voltage, as SM said. (Short wires in series.)
Adjust the frequency and pulse width to get pulse superposition ("bigger kicks").
Use more than one frequency to get more pulses, maybe interleaved.
Anyone doing similar experiments?
Kosh
Hi all,
I am still getting the coil driver side of my circuit working. Last step. I implemented an incorrect design at this stage. Tonight, though I move on. With my circuit I will be able to perform what you speak about. I am thinking about a 4 turn, 10cm, 12 gauge collector, with 4 segment 16 gauge controls. I am not sure if # or turns matters on the control but I will wind loosely to around 1/2 in PVC pipe to accomodate changes in the collector specs.
Does this sound good? RFC The current designs and test have been great!
@ Marco, i start out with copper and then try iron.
I also have an idea to take a length of iron pipe and cut a section out length wise to turn it into a 1 turn iron coil / jacket that has an electrical connection from both sides of the gap for freq tests?
Also part of my slow down has been I am putting in a new kitchen floor.
--giantkiller. Lets keep moving.
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Dave, I have also noticed this 4X amplification effect in the little transformer I have been playing around with! When I tuned it to it's 'sweet spot' the 9.2 volt input I had going in turned into about 37 volts coming out! And the amplification was pretty stable at that value! Keep in mind that I was using a 1:1 toroidal transformer in this case which was pulsed with square waves using only one wire!!
God Bless,
Jason O
Jason,
Would you be so kind as to draw what you've done. I like to test that too. What exactly was the input signal (9.2 volts pulsed dc from a signal generator? What frequency?)
Does this mean that you're not drawing any power from the source since you only have one wire connected?
Regards,
Dutchy
Hi Dutchy,
Yes that is right, by using only one wire from my function generator to the transformer; my understanding is that there is no current flow since there is not a complete circuit. Also my circuit is not grounded to an earth ground anywhere. (Stefan did mention something about capacitive coupling being a posable way current was transferred but I'm not sure of that). I did actually post a circuit diagram and information about the specific transformer I used a while back but it seems that people either missed the post or ignored it. I think that it is significant that I can actually get an appreciable current output with nothing but a fluctuating voltage potential as the input. I also posted some videos of my original experiment where I discovered this effect. Though I was using some diodes in a setup I was testing for something completely different (it was an accident that I even found the effect). Here are the links to my original posts about both my setups:
Post about my diode circuit:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14080.html#msg14080
Demo Videos of the circuit:
http://overunity.com/jason/
Posts about my Transformer circuit
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg12399.html#msg12399
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14087.html#msg14087
Post with the circuit diagram
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14101.html#msg14101
I can't seem to find the post where I posted the pictures of the transformer but since the upload folder is still full, e-mail me (Jdo300@sbcglobal.net) and I'll be happy to send you the pictures.
@jacob
Awesome Insights about the inrush current in a wire! This proves my circuit in a sense because if you think about it, the only thing driving the electrons forward in the wire is the potential difference created inside the wire by the EMF (aka voltage potential) produced by the moving magnet. So I can create an EMF in my wire without using a ground and still create radiant energy bursts (via. Longitudinal waves) which are picked up in the secondary of the transformer. As I stated many times in my early posts, the setup I used is very frequency sensitive; and I noticed that the *sweet spot* frequency was determined by the size transformer/coil that I used. The larger transformers worked at a much lower frequency than the smaller transformers! I also developed a simple method to find the sweet spot by looking at the scope screen. When I make my demo video of the transformer, I?ll show how the output waveform changes as the sweet spot frequency is found. It is very obvious because the voltage wave form jumps up at the frequency.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Well I've been trying to tune my main test TPU. I tried litz packed to much capacitance. My last modification is using 16 gauge wire and I have top to bottom 47.6 pF, top to center 48.3 pF, and center to bottom 48.8 pF. I hope this is close enough, I took some pics of my z-meter but I won't bore you with them. I suspect we have to learn to tune this curcuit correctly. I've been running the ends out for taps and including these measurements in my notes. I think the capacitance of the cores is an important value, I've also been carefully counting the wraps on the collectors and global wraps as well. I think each section needs to look electronically balanced. Still I haven't been able to math predict or apply math to it yet. has anyone else been able to do anything in this area yet?
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Tao, I was wondering when you were gonna break out the Rhysmonic Cosmology. I read that stuff a while ago, and then again recently, and even bookmarked it. Then forgot about it, with work, and life and all, go figure..
With RC, a lot of the stuff we've been working on are thrown out. At least, a lot of the WHY is thrown out, and you have to do a logical transform to allow for the gravitometric additition of forces. The wire's capacitance in the TPU would mean a lot more than specific frequency. Not that frequency is unimportant now, it is, just not for the same reasons. Timing is now the main drive behind finding the right frequency.
It also explains perfectly the need for a magnet to start the reaction, why we have dc, with ac "hash", why the device won't work upside down, and how the excess energy enters the system.
But is it complete? Yes, and no. There is no specific reference to a "kick" phenomena that I remember being predicted in RC. However, it can be deduced rather easily, as it would be a simple case of scalars adding when "electrons are first caused to flow in a wire."
The scary thing about RC, is that it is as close to an all encompassing explanation for EVERYONE's over unity results as I've ever seen. From PMMs, to Gravity motors, to Solid state circuits, etc. You can quickly surmise that many people who had alternate theories about what was going on in their experiments, were only partly right. Leedskalnin's sacred geometry is easily seen in the rhysmonic vectors, and planes. Teslas radiant has more going on that he thought it did, Keely's sound related stuff starts to make sense when you do the proper expansion of the logic (sound is a scalar), etc.
pretty cool stuff, I encourage everyone to read Hodowanec's stuff. Also, perform the experiments if you have the ability.
;)
Regards,
Rich
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Hello Everyone,
I am running into an annoying hitch while I'm doing some testing. I am trying to make a simple switching circuit to pulse my coils with when I realized that I am having trouble getting my MOSFET to work. I wanted to male sure I could get the switching part alone to work so I connected the Gate of the MOSFET to the positive lead from my function generator (which was set on a 4V square wave 0 to 4+), the Source lead was connected to the + terminal of my DC power supply (Set on 14 volts) and the Drain was connected to the - terminal of the battery along with the ground lead from the function generator. To see if the MOSFET was working right I disconnected the lead going to the negative side of the battery and connected the scope leads across the break to measure any changes in voltage. But for some reason the scope shows that the full 14 volts was there even though my function generator was off (and completely disconnected). When I did turn on the function generator, all it did was make a square wave ripple on the output but it didn't switch the MOSFET on or off at all.... I know it is probably something stupid I am doing here but what am I missing?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello Jdo 300,
if it is a n channel MOSFET you have to connect the Gate to your + pole of the function generator, the Drain to + of power supply, and the - from the power supply and the - from the function generator together.
Regards
Otto
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@ Otto & HMM,
Thanks guys for the correction. It never occured to me that I hooked the thing up backwards ;D :D. I'll try the test again later today so I can actually move forward, lol
God Bless,
Jason O
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@MOSfet item
Hi all,
I had a similar problem. I followed CTGlabs coil driver part of his circuit. All the drains were connected thru 1 hi-watt resistor. I have 8 drive channels and all the n-channel FET outputs stayed low while clocking. I swapped out the MOSfets with TIP41As. and same problem. I finally put all the Collectors thru their own resistors. My controller is now working. The TIPS can handle 40 volts @ 6 amps. That is ok. My avatar coil being wound of 16 gauge multistrand on iron core is too big for my current circuit. I can add higher power stage if neccessary. But now all of you that have wound smaller gauge coils are good. The drive requirements are easier. I am looking at the last SM TPU diags from Mannix and am thinking that at 10 cm diam a certain power factor is needed which requires a certain level of power to it. The diam is also part of the wavelength. I am stuck with wanting to shrink the diam to lower the wire gauge for less of a power requirement. But that might not match up with the required freqs with the wavelength of the diam. Going in circles here because I believe I am correct about the specifications. But I want, what I want, what I want. :D
Anyway, with the controller build stage out of the way I ponder coils now. I can definately see the impact of iron core saturation with what I am running. So that is the switch to Sm TPU air core/ wire core at this time.
--giantkiller 8)
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Hi everyone,
In the latest schematics Mannix sent there are squarewave pulsetrains of 150 to 900 Mhz for up to 3 overlapping wavefronts.
Does anyone know of a schematic to make these fast pulsetrains?
I guess thinking along the lines of 555 timer doesn't get us anywhere....
Regards Dutchy
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Hi everyone,
In the latest schematics Mannix sent there are squarewave pulsetrains of 150 to 900 Mhz for up to 3 overlapping wavefronts.
Does anyone know of a schematic to make these fast pulsetrains?
I guess thinking along the lines of 555 timer doesn't get us anywhere....
Regards Dutchy
Here: http://www.crystek.com/ (http://www.crystek.com/) just discrete parts. A ready made device might be expensive.
--giantkiller 8)
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@Marco, you are amazing! And humble too, naming it after Jacob.
So many questions. Schematic forth coming?
So each layer is identical and those are LEDS off to the right?
What gauge wires, turns. I see 4 segments. What are the cores? Air, wire? If you read my posts today i am ready to fire up the next rendition or for that fact any other design.
I don't wan't to waste time without specifications. Great pictures.
--giantkiller
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Hello All,
Does anyone have all the formulas that were used to calculate the resonant frequency of the toroid and a loop antenna? I saw some formulas here a while back but I can't remember which ones we though would be pertinent to the build. For those who are building coils, are you using the specs for the toroid itself to tune to a set frequency or are you basing the size on the collector coil diameter (like a loop antenna)?
As soon as I fix the booboo I made with my MOSFET I will be doing a few more simple tests with my transformer, and then I will begin to make the coil setup. I want to do a few calculations first though to get a ballpark idea of what frequency range it will work at, though I won't be all that bent out of shape over it. To construct my coil, I will be using some 122 strand, 30 gauge litz wire that I bought on eBay a while back (see picture). It will be used as the collector coil but I only have 10 feet of it to work with so I am trying to determine how many loops I will need to make for the collector coil. I am shooting for Mr. Mark's 4in TPU so I won't have to spend forever winding the toroidal coils (by the way, AWESOME COIL marco! Never would have thought to use Cat5 cable). I bought some clear vinyl plastic tubing from the hardware store to use as a former to wrap the toroidal coils onto. I will slit the tubing along its length to wind the collector coils on the inside and then I'll wrap the control coils around the outside :-). But if someone could assist me in figuring out the dimensions for this, it would be greatly appreciated.
God Bless,
Jason O
P.S. Forgot to mention that I am interested in figuring out the resonance frequency so I can roughly estimate what size wire and how many turns for the collector and control wires of the 4in TPU.
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Quote from: giantkiller on October 11, 2006, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on October 11, 2006, 02:31:17 AM
yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.
A sample toroid would be:
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
How does a poster quote a post to a message and back again? I have only been able to put 'page:xxx' in the message and then search for the page. Agh! It would be nice to take a page and post it to yourself.
--giantkiller
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@jason
page 391
Guys,
I was doing some research and came across this article at http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/re-loop-article.htm and found this to be of interest, we have been talking about tuning the collector coil to a particular frequency and this should be of help so I wanted to share this. excerpt:
Effective length (of loop antenna)
When we discussed active-antenna systems [in a prior article in the series, and which I don't have], we frequently mentioned the effective length of an antenna (often referred to as effective height). We can also talk about the effective vertical length of a loop antenna. An approximation for computing the effective length, LL, of loop antennas is
LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu)/(wavelength) [Eq. 1]
Where wavelength is in meters; n = the number of turns in the loop; A = the cross-sectional area of one turn in square meters; Mu = the effective permeability of the core material ( = 1 for air core); and wavelength = (3*(10**8))/(frequency in Hz). [That's wavelength = three times ten to the eighth power, then divided by frequency.]
Hope this is understandable.
Regards,
Carl
--giantkiller
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Quote from: giantkiller on October 11, 2006, 02:46:49 AM
Quote from: mikestocks2006 on October 11, 2006, 02:31:17 AM
yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.
A sample toroid would be:
To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core
How does a poster quote a post to a message and back again? I have only been able to put 'page:xxx' in the message and then search for the page. Agh! It would be nice to take a page and post it to yourself.
--giantkiller
What formulas did you use to calculate this? Just the normal formula for calculating resonance of a tuned LC tank? Or is there a specific one that is for use with toroids?
Also, I should bring this up again, but concerning the segmented collector coils. What is the present belief about how the rotating field is established? So far I have heard three possible setups.
1. The coils are setup like a two-phase motor (four segments) and fed independently in pares with two 90 degree offset pulses.
2. The coils are all simply connected in series and a pulse is fed into them
3. (From anonymous poster) the coils work with transistors and are self-triggering (I just might try that if I can wire it up right).
At this point, I'm going to try option 1. Though I may build in functionality for option three if someone could give me some vague idea of how to wire the setup. I know it involves using a pickup coil to trigger the MOSFETS but that?s about all I know there. The good thing about this setup is that the frequency can actually speed up whereas with option 1, I think the frequency is just determined by the pulse rate (right?).
@Stefan,
Is the upload folder issue fixed? I will be ready to post my demo videos of the transformer experiment later this evening.
God Bless,
Jason O
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http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-1776848428018799270&q=genre%3ASCI_TECH
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Hi giantkiller,
I do remember seeing that equation in the loop antenna link. But I think I am not using the formula correctly
LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu*F)/(3.0*108)
Okay, so LL is supposed to be the effective lengh of the loop antenna if it were straight?
Lets say that I have my collector coil made out of the Litz wire I mentioned before. If I use, say 5 loops of this wire, and I want to tune it to resonate at the 5000Hz spikes that I am pulsing into the control coils. I am shooting for the 4in diameter toroid so the area of my loop in meters comes out to be 0.008107m2; Mu is 1. So I plug it all into the formula:
(2Pi * 5 * 0.008107 * 1 * 5000) / (3.0*108)
and I get 4.244*10-6??
What does that mean? Apparently, I made a mistake somewhere that I'm not seeing. Or maybe I am using this formula completely wrong.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Lindsay,
Great tip :). I suppose I could just wind each control coil bifilarly with a smaller *tickle* coil to turn on the next coil. I wonder if there is any way to get a rough idea of how to tune the system to a specific target frequency? I?m guessing it would involve knowing the threshold voltage of the MOSFETs/Transistors and something with the inductance of the windings.
God Bless,
Jason O
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OK I ran into another hitch here.
The good news is I got my MOSFET to switch finally :-). The bad news is that it seems to be limiting the amount of voltage that shows up across is when it is on. I am now using a charged capacitor as the voltage source and I charged it up to 200V. I then hooked up my signal generator to the base to switch it on and off, but the output would only go as high as the voltage my function generator was applying (~12V). I know that the MOSFET can handle up to 600V so I don't understand what the problem is. Here is the datasheet for the specific MOSFET I am using: http://www.ortodoxism.ro/datasheets/SEME-LAB/IRF460.pdf.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi EMdevices ,
Great reference info!! I never ever heard of TE resonance before. Would you know of any good, introductory references to the phenomena so I could read up on it? That would answer my question about figure out the diameter of the toroid for my TPU. I suppose that if we could somehow use TE resonance to make an almost standing wave in the toroid, then we could simply run the segmented wires in series to get the 90 degree phase offsets we need to create rotation?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi guys,
I am back.
Sorry, I did only have 1/2 half hour time in the last days to read
the forum and did not read this thread, so I did not notice,
that the attachment folder was full.
Now I adjusted it and now we have another Gigabytes
of attachment file size available.
So you can upload new files.
Sometimes there is an timeout, so sometimes
larger files larger than 6 to 8 Mbytes will not upload
via the attachment.
Then please try to upload smaller files
or archive and split them into ZIP or WinRAR
files, which can be saved in several parts.
I will try to contact my webhoster and see,
if he can fix the timeout problem.
And please only post here in this thread really important
messages just only about the Steven Mark?s units.
Please open up a new thread, if you have something about a different topic.
It is really hard to catch up,
if you only have 30 minutes per day time to read all the threads.
As I have a few other projects also running, I don?t have much
in October to catch up with all of it.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(moderator)
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P.S: Every posted attachment picture is now rescaled
to 400x400 pixels.
If you want to see the original size,
just click onto the rescaled 400x400 sized picture and
you will see the bigger picture.
Hope this makes the fast browsing of the forum more easy.
Great results so far in the last days.
Marco, how did you drive your lamp
on the coils ?
Did you compare output versus input power yet ?
Many thanks !
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Jason,
connect always an about 100 KOhm resistor
from gate to source,
so you have the right potential difference between
these 2 points.
If you have a n-channel MOSFET which just does not conduct at
0 Volts but conducts at 5 to 12 Volts Gate-Source voltage
it must always have a positive Gate-Source voltage to conduct !
If you don?t wire a resistor from gate to source you might
get a different potential at the gate, which is not enough
positive versus the source, so the MOSFET does not conduct...
It really depends all the time on the Gate-Source voltage
if the MOSFET conducts.
If you don?t tie the source to ground, then there could
be a voltage difference at the source pin versus ground, so
the Gate-Source voltage is low or below zero, so the
MOSFET will not conduct...
Hope this helps.
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mannix,
hey what if when you bent the iron rod in a circle, you then needed a third coil running in parrellel, to make it resonate. then to control it you ran two over the top in series. and then ran them into one coil in parrellel. ???
i wonder if this can be tested with just simple transformers. i keep coming back to that quote in my mind and the results dave was getting before going on holiday. i don't mean for this thinking to throw anyone off a chosen experimental path. just something else to think about from all that have come before us.
heck i'm still trying to get a grasp of one in parallel.
lol, keep up the good work,
sam
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ive been trying to upload part 4 of the experimental videos for two days almost.
but the site keeps sending an errorr message.
so i throw it on google.
enjoy
marco.
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275 (http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275)
Hi Marco,
what did oyu do in the last 2 parts of the video ?
Is this a one wire signal that you drive the control with ?
Where is the bright shining lamp connected to ?
To the green wire (iron wire ?) coil ?
Does the lamp light up,
when you just apply to one control coil a square wave
with just one pin at it ?
Or do you drive the copper control coils
around it with a function generator and with both pins
of the control coil connected ?
What frequency and what waveforms do you drive it with ?
Many thanks.
Just trying to catch up of your latest videos..
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Where the ruler (lineal) connected to ?
Is it out of metal ?
Please speak in your videos, what you are doing, so
one knows, what you are doing.
Many thanks.
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Hi all,
In regards to rotation of the magnetic field, I came across this experiment relating to electrolysis of water to make hydrogen. By placing two ceramic magnets on the sides of the cell, the electrolyte (water would rotate).
Here is the link: http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/mag4.html
"To make sure that it was indeed the permanent magnetic field which was causing the water to rotate around inside the cell I first removed the magnets. The water rotation slowed and within a minute or so, came to a stop. I then replaced the magnets so that like poles faced each other. No movement was observed in the water. Next, I reversed the orientation of the magnets from the way they were at first (north pole facing cathode and south pole facing anode) and the water began to spin around in the opposite direction as it had at first. Then I switched the orientation of the magnets back to their initial positions while the water was spinning and observed that the water slowed to a stop, then reversed direction and came back up to full speed. In all cases the water would accelerate up to a certain maximum speed and then maintain that speed of rotation for as long as the current continued to flow. This speed seeming to be determined by the combination of the following factors; 1) the amount of current flowing through the cell and 2) the strength of the permanent magnetic field.
The question which presents itself here regards the mechanics by which the water below the electrodes is caused to spin. The electrical energy that is supplied to the cell is all accounted for within the process of electrolysis (between electrolytic conduction and heat losses) and since the amount of gas produced by the the cell is not obviously diminished by causing the water below the electrodes to spin and because it takes energy to set any object into motion and then maintain that motion there must be another source of secondary or incidental energy that is being brought into play here by the configuration of the various components of the system and their orientation to and interaction with each other."
Sorry I can't seem to copy and paste image here and do quotes correctly.
Could it be possible that SM achieves rotation just by using the magnets as in this experiment? Afterall, Steven did mention there were no massive electronics involved. The electrodes would represent the verticle control coils and the collector coils would be represented by the rotating water. There is an obvious rotating field here in this experiment. Maybe this is a visual representation of the field of the TPU?
Hope this helps
Tishatang
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Hi Tishatang
Yes that is the case, when i was researching the joe cell and stan meyer setups, i came across a video of a rotation or vortex when they had a ring magnet in the water, and provided current to two electrodes the water would spin, this indeed is a good way to findout what happens when we use magnets http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=2713270737018717005&q=joe+cell
Cheers All
Dom ;D
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Guys so really whatever we pickup, like white noise or schuman resonance, or the earths magnetic field, if this gets amplified due to the magnets being placed near the coil, which causes rotation or oscillation, therefore we have a moving magnetic field which will get induced into the collector coil, I reckon its that easy.......I went looking for steel wire today at local hardware store which has gardening section, i wasnt too happy about the steel wire i got as it was thin, but it was the only one they had that was insulated, im going to try and source wire from somewhere else, keep experimenting guys, your doing well ;D
Dom by the way i'm from Oz ...lol
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So jacob this coil is about your idea of the device...cause i like your view about the spirals.
as you look close to the image you can see that even the control wiring is a spiral itself.
all you have to do is tell me how to connect all and i will power it up. :)
Nice coil Marco! And I am certainly honored with its name. But you may have to leave it aside for a while. And maybe even build a new one. I am on a tight schedule this morning, so this will be a short post. But let's go over a few points.
First, a word about the spiralling motion I mentionned in my last post. This phenomena goes on within the conductor and is what causes the kick through magnetic resonance. You don't need to use a twisted pair to simulate it. What is important here is the concept of magnetic resonance. This is what has to be achieved in order to produce the desired outcome (i.e.: energy extraction). And in the TPU, this is achieved by rotating a magnetic field radially.
Secondly, TPU replication must, in a sense, be undertaken in a spirit similar to the task of putting man on the moon. When NASA decided to go ahead with this project, they didn't put everything together at once, launched the rocket and hoped for the best. Not at all. Every subsystem was tested and fine-tuned independantly before the Apollo 11 mission was launched. In other words, you can't build a complete TPU from scratch in every detail unless you know exactly what you're doing. There is a level of understanding involved here. Each coil has to be winded according to what it is expected to do. One has to consider many parameters like the frequency it will operate at, or the value of other components interacting with it. You see my point?
I wonder how many of you who have hands on access to a workbench and to some instrumentation have an LC circuit that resonates at 7.8 hz or so. This is really the first step. Power is needed to operate the device. We need to tap an energy wave. And if this energy is not available at the above frequency, where is it going to come from? So why not begin with this and try to find out the most effective wire, coil setup, and so on to tap this energy source? From that point, the next step would then be to experiment with interaction between 2 resonant circuits oscillating at different frequency. It seems EMdevices has suggested an interesting experiment in that area.
Just a suggestion, of course.
Have to go,
Regards,
Jacob.
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marco, you can determine, instead of calculate, your resonance. Use one of your toroids but only wrap a single coil on it. Lets say no more then 5 degrees of the toroid.
Then, hook it up to an osilloscope and get a 9 volt battery and quickly connected to the leads as well. It will hopefully creat a quick pulse that you can see on the scope, .... but a short time later, (micro seconds or even nano seconds, you will see another fainter pulse, its the pulse that traveled around the circumference. (or just use electronics to create quick pulses)
Use this time and realize its the period for one full trip around the toroid. If you want 1/2 wavelenth resonance, then the freqnecy is f = 1/(2T) , where 'T' is this time you measured. If you want 1/4 wavelenth resonance f=1/(4T), etc.
EMdevices,
In your opinion would we see the same effect with a stranded copper coil/core as you get with an solid iron wire core? I am sure the eddy currents would be potentially less due to the stranded wire.
Also, what is the formula to determine the wavelength of the core? would it be the same as a standard antenna? SM uses a 4" diameter coil on his smaller unit, we might be able to back into his wavelength since he mentions 5khz approx.
I am thinking the SM core is a partial wavelength (1/8, 1/4, etc...) would we need to worry about the tickler/control coil resonance or inductance as well? or would it be more important to worry about the length of the coil on the core (you mentioned 5 degrees of wrap). maybe both?
I am thinking he is using the smaller torrids for a feedback mechanism for the oscillator (air core transformer idea) thus the position to the control coils would be potentially critical due to phase relationships to the cores resonance per your comment as to leading/lagging phases. He also mentioned multiple frequencies in his larger unit, so this may relate to the 2 smaller torrids (oscillators) in the core being 180 degrees out of phase on the larger core thus providing a signal mixing in the large core providing a moving field. What do you think?
regards,
Carl
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Nice pix with arrows. The corkscrew.gif, second to the bottom is your best best for driving the coil. It creates a shifting and rocking field smoothly in the huge field we are in. The Hamel disk exhibits the same field creation. In the coils each pulse can create the kick but it seems that overall you want the fields to move effortlessly maintaining an axis wobble similar to planet earths. I have posted this previously about the Hamel disk generating the balanced magnetic wobble mechanically. We, on the other hand, are set out to achieve that in solid state. I should note that the 1st 3 Hamel disks were self destructing being they were uncontrolled operation.
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Also, what is the formula to determine the wavelength of the core? would it be the same as a standard antenna?
Its' very simular in that we need to know the velocity of the wave. Antennas deal with waves in space, hence the speed is 'C=3x10^8'. However here we're dealing with TE waves which propagate INSIDE the material or core of the toroid. Note that the toroid can support many wavelengths (or frequencies), I don't have an exact formula but I would give you this.
(time for wave travel once around loop) = (circumference) / (speed of wave in medium).
(speed of wave in medium) = (3x10^8) / 70 (m/s) its approximate for iron medium
(frequency) = K / (time for wave travel once around the loop), where 'K' can be 1,2,...,1/2,1/4,1/8....
I should say that other 'K' values will give patterns which are not stationary on the toroid but will "ROTATE" this is another area to explore.
EMdevice,
Interesting.....
Well from what you mention then it seems that experiementation with a non-standard K value would be the requirement to get a rotating field in the core. A wavelength that is not an even number that is, maybe a third??
I would hypothisize then that using a solid wire (iron) for the core using an odd wavelength torrid size to the driving frequency and flanking this core with stranded copper coils (top and bottom, in a stacked arrangement if you will) to collect the power (having the magnetic lines of flux cut the wire while rotating) would give us our power output possibly.
Your thoughts?
Carl
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ive been trying to upload part 4 of the experimental videos for two days almost.
but the site keeps sending an errorr message.
so i throw it on google.
enjoy
marco.
http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275 (http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275)
Hi Marco,
what did oyu do in the last 2 parts of the video ?
Is this a one wire signal that you drive the control with ?
Where is the bright shining lamp connected to ?
To the green wire (iron wire ?) coil ?
Does the lamp light up,
when you just apply to one control coil a square wave
with just one pin at it ?
Or do you drive the copper control coils
around it with a function generator and with both pins
of the control coil connected ?
What frequency and what waveforms do you drive it with ?
Many thanks.
Just trying to catch up of your latest videos..
Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Where the ruler (lineal) connected to ?
Is it out of metal ?
Please speak in your videos, what you are doing, so
one knows, what you are doing.
Many thanks.
hi :)
i did explain this all a while back.
in the last two parts i show that when you place a piece of aluminium paper on top of the coil and on the bottom it differs when you hit it with the sense wire.
the piece of aluminium isnt connected to anything.
the bulb is an indicator to show what happens when my hand is in the field.
its connected to the output of the amp.
the bulb lits up as the amp gets a signal from the sense wire.
the last part is to show that the coils were testing are grounded.
keep that in mind when you use generators/mosfet/tip/555/whatever.(onto ac line)
stevens coils ar not grounded so this differs a lot.
thats why one segment lits and the other not.
i drive the input with the output and between is a variabel capacitive field.
so you have a field around the coil comming from the amp.
nothing happens but when you take the input into the "output field" it picks up.
i can hardly type enlish so im not really into talking in the videos but im doing the best i can.
sorry for that i will try to use more explenation images between.
now im in a hurry gotta test some stuff.
marco
Ahh, I see,
you created just a feedback loop with the 2 coils.
But you always used the amplifier in between, so the power
for the bulb comes from the amplifier... Okay, I see..
Have you already posted any scope shots of
your iron wire output coil, if you drive one copper control coil around it
with square waves ?
Did I miss that ?
Did you also get any kicks superimposing in the iron output coil then ?
Many thanks.
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P.S. Marco,
if you speak in Netherland?s language in your video it would
also be okay, or if you try in German, if you can, I can translate
that into english text over here..
Or just put a few drawings into your videos, what you are doing
or just a Powerpoint presentation. ( This could be easily
converted to AVI movie)
Many thanks for your great experimental effort !
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Hi all,
I know some of the trains of thought are to go 'self powered' but for now one could use a difference amplifier with the coil two freqs and use that to adjust back to some expected norm.
--giantkiller
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Hi all,
In regards to rotation of the magnetic field, I came across this experiment relating to electrolysis of water to make hydrogen. By placing two ceramic magnets on the sides of the cell, the electrolyte (water would rotate).
Here is the link: http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/mag4.html
"To make sure that it was indeed the permanent magnetic field which was causing the water to rotate around inside the cell I first removed the magnets. The water rotation slowed and within a minute or so, came to a stop. I then replaced the magnets so that like poles faced each other. No movement was observed in the water. Next, I reversed the orientation of the magnets from the way they were at first (north pole facing cathode and south pole facing anode) and the water began to spin around in the opposite direction as it had at first. Then I switched the orientation of the magnets back to their initial positions while the water was spinning and observed that the water slowed to a stop, then reversed direction and came back up to full speed. In all cases the water would accelerate up to a certain maximum speed and then maintain that speed of rotation for as long as the current continued to flow. This speed seeming to be determined by the combination of the following factors; 1) the amount of current flowing through the cell and 2) the strength of the permanent magnetic field.
The question which presents itself here regards the mechanics by which the water below the electrodes is caused to spin. The electrical energy that is supplied to the cell is all accounted for within the process of electrolysis (between electrolytic conduction and heat losses) and since the amount of gas produced by the the cell is not obviously diminished by causing the water below the electrodes to spin and because it takes energy to set any object into motion and then maintain that motion there must be another source of secondary or incidental energy that is being brought into play here by the configuration of the various components of the system and their orientation to and interaction with each other."
Sorry I can't seem to copy and paste image here and do quotes correctly.
Could it be possible that SM achieves rotation just by using the magnets as in this experiment? Afterall, Steven did mention there were no massive electronics involved. The electrodes would represent the verticle control coils and the collector coils would be represented by the rotating water. There is an obvious rotating field here in this experiment. Maybe this is a visual representation of the field of the TPU?
Hope this helps
Tishatang
I was wondering along these lines also Tishatang, so I wrote this in regards to what you have above:
"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE.
SINCERELY,
SM."
Well, while were analyzing the above quote, look at : ""YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE ", what do you think Steven means by that, that the FIELD itself is what causes the electrons to flow in the wire? Or that a rotating field generates energy that is then used to cause a potential difference across said wire, thereby making electrons flow?
Considering Steven's quote, I might have to go with him meaning that THIS FIELD, whatever it is, is what is causing the electrons to flow. So what could this field be? Related to the KICK?
Steven says he noticed a KICK when he was experimenting with the vacuum tubes, and Steven referenced that KICK in the valve book that Jason Owens got a picture of for us.... And z_p_e so elequently spelled out all of Steven's KICK references for us in that accompanying thread....
Well, if we just look at that first KICK first, it references the earth's magnetic field causes a KICK in the filament which has an inrush current sent through it.... TO ME that means a mechanical KICK, a kick related to the Lorentz Force: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force_law
Steven called this FIRST KICK clear 'overunity'. Why would he say that?
I think this is how Steven interpreted this situation: He senses that since the magnetic field of the Earth was present and since the KICK(mechanical deflection) of the filament due to it's electrons being deflected, he rations that this apparent mechanical KICK that is so destructive on the filament is FREE. For when there is NO SHARP BURST OF CURRENT in the filament, there is no KICK, but when there is, there is a KICK!!!
So, Steven thinks some more and figures, hey, it's either the fact that there is much more current during this inrush current period that then allows for this mechanical deflection of the filament due to the presence of the Earth's magnetic field, OR that there might actually be SOMETHING ELSE involved which APPEARS due to the presence of this inrush current and this SOMETHING ELSE in addition to the Earth's magnetic field's presence causes this appearant mechanical KICK....
So, Steven then thinks, hmmm, whichever of the above two it is, who knows, but one thing he knows for sure is that THIS KICK only happens when there is a VERY SHARP DC PULSE.
So, Steven then thinks to himself, well, I see there is a KICK, but in the filament it only appears as a mechanical KICK, and it is small, how do I increase it? He figures that he can have more SHARP DC PULSES for one thing, but he also figures out right away that he could just place a PERMANENT MAGNET in the process to greatly increase the KICKS.
So, I feel that Steven does a natural progression from that first KICK, to thinking and wondering how he can use the Lorentz Force to his advantage, seeing as those this Lorentz Force action is GREATLY magnified by SHARP DC PULSES and the presence of stronger magnetic fields...
This also explains why Steven's device appear to vibrate, there are all these collective KICKS going on to "CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE" and some of the KICKING ACTION happens in places OTHER THAN the collector coils(which is their only INTENDED interaction zone), and actually Lorentz KICKS some of the control wires and what-not in Steven's devices, thereby doing the same that to these wires that happened to the FILAMENT in Steven's FIRST KICK TEST....
MORE LATER................................
The two thing below COULD relate to the KICK phenomenon and something that SM used...
Another interesting find was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_cyclotron_resonance
"Electron cyclotron resonance is a phenomenon observed both in plasma physics and condensed matter physics. An electron in a static and uniform magnetic field will move in a circle due to the Lorentz force. "
"In addition to heating, electron cyclotron waves can be used to drive current. "
Or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron
"A cyclotron is a type of particle accelerator. Cyclotrons accelerate charged particles using a high-frequency, alternating voltage (potential difference). A perpendicular magnetic field causes the particles to go almost in a circle so that they re-encounter the accelerating voltage many times."
Relating to all the above is this image:
(http://www.physics.ucla.edu/plasma-exp/beam/BeamFullOrbit200W.jpeg)
Image Note: "Fig. 4. A 100 eV electron beam injected perpendicular to a dc magnetic field. The sense of the cyclotron orbit implies that the magnetic field points into the plane. From the beam energy and the cyclotron radius the field strength can be calculated. Note that the beam light weakens with propagation distance "
What if somehow Steven setup something like the picture above, but with the electrons in the collector wire and he used multiples of these type of units around the circle(toroid). This would allow the circular electrons to not weaken with distance because they would always keep being PUSHED.
So, what if the various control coil segments are used in a situation similar to the above examples and made the free electrons in the copper collector coils to move in a distinct circular pattern, similar to the Electron_cyclotron_resonance from above. THIS WOULD MEAN THE COLLECTOR COILS DIAMETER WOULD BE CRITICAL IN REGARDS TO THE RIGHT FREQUENCIES THE CONTROL COILS WOULD OPERATE AT.
Interesting stuff...
Hi Tishatang and Tao !
Very good findings !
I guess the simple setup with the 2 magnets could have been
used by Steven Mark to really help rotating the waves in his earlier
more simple devices, also were you can see the open core.
(Where it is not taped close with tape)
In the big 1 KW device, where he said he had
3 ouput toroids with multi strand copper coil,
he probably uses the helper coil around all of the
3 output coil to setup a static DC magnetic field, so the
movement of the field would go from the top of the unit
to the lower side of the unit.
So in all 3 output coils the electrons would then rotate
from the top coil to the buttom coil and when all 3 coils
output coils are put in series it would generate an output voltage.
Now, if you reverse the unit by 180 degrees , it is clear, that also this
static helper DC magnet field is reversed and the electron then should
move from the buttom to the top of the unit,
but when the feedback control coils or the
timing is not adjusted, it will just not work in this
direction, so it is clear, that then the device will not work...
It could also be, that Steven Mark did not yet himself know exactly,
how his unit works !
As in the case of Joseph Newman, he also stumbled across the effect
of dissimular metals creating huge back current spikes at his spark gap
commutator , which recharges
his batteries , only by incident !
This is the real functioning of his machines, but not his
magnetic particle theory, which he claimed it would work on...
I always wondered, why he did built it the way he did,
when Newman only used his magnetic particle theory.
This does not make sense at all and is not the underlying principle.
So Newman did not understand the theory,
but just stumbled across these spark gap effect back current spikes
when he did his coil experiments and then tried to build a theory
upon it, which has no real meaning to the effects really seen
there..
He totally missed the importance of the spark gap effect and
throught he could explain it with magnetic particals... but that is
just not right...
So it could be the case, that Steven Mark also does not know,
how the real function of his device is,
but at least he knows, how to scale it up...
Regards, Stefan.
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I believe this is right on time...
You can find the diam by freq or the freq by diam, if my calculations serve me well...
Back by popular demand of previous posts:
Quarter wave theory: The outgoing field is at its zenith at the quarter wave distance. Of course so is the negative part of the wave. So maybe, that is nixed by rotating the wave. With air core the magnetic field is at a fixed position where with iron core the magnetic field would have a medium for dispersal and absorbtion. No?
At the center of all this is the collector. Hmmm...
Call me wrong if the truth isn't here.
--giantkiller
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hey,
just a question. i was looking for someone that might give me some additional information on toroidal induction and ran across a site for butlerwinding.com. they seemed to be thinking that 180% was the "idea" or the half wave. now of course you have to take everything with a grain of salt, because i think that most of the inductors and transformers that they wind are designed to prevent things like "kicks" power surges and all the other things that your typical EE theory is designed to eliminate, but they at least did give alot of information as to why they used resistors and capacitors, and rectifiers to eliminate these things.
it kind of seemed to my untrained brain that they were saying all the sam things,everyone was telling dave about his three transformer setup. which all seemed to make alot of sense if you wanted to eliminate "kicks" and power surges and the sort instead of trying to get control of them after you finally produced them.
i hope someone takes a look at this site. it does seem they have some really good ways to wrap toroids. i think they know what they are talking about just may be heading in the wrong direction for what we are wanting to acomplish.
lol,keepup the good work,
sam
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that joe thing is intresting.
there were some thing i did have a while but i didnt post them.
its about plasma stuff.
A short description of the particle orbits in a magnetic field, what a magnetised plasma is, and how electric fields give rise to collective drifts. This drift motion of the particle populations makes it possible to think of the plasma as a fluid
The orbits have a characteristic frequency, called the gyrofrequency.
small electric fields are always present even though on average the plasma is very close to neutral (note here that ``small'' can still mean 100s of volts per cm)
In the early phase magnetic reconnection is controlled by an ion kinetic effect, while an electron kinetic effect becomes dominant in the late phase.
so download the attached .txt file if you care to read all.
marco
Marco, I found this quote from your text file interesting...
"Lightning Strikes create powerful radio waves in the frequency range of 3 KHz (audio, VLF) through 10 MHz (shortwave radio). The VLF (3000 Hz to 30000 Hz) "lightning signatures" can travel around the world, allowing monitoring of world-wide lightning. The shortwave "lightning signatures can travel half-way around the Earth (the night-time side of the Earth). The best region to listen for distant shortwave lightning signatures is from 2 MHz through 7 MHz. After 3 AM local time you can listen to 3 MHz and hear the beautiful dispersion-ringing of the static as it bounces back-and-forth between the earth and ionosphere. It can at times sound like hundreds of tiny bells ringing at once!
UHF Television Signals easily reflect the electrical path ways that lightning creates! Tune your hand-held scanner (or TV) to the sound carrier frequency of a 200 to 300 mile distant UHF TV station in the range of CH 14 to CH 21 (you should NOT be able to receive the station at all under normal weather conditions!) When lightning flashes, sometimes you will hear about 1/4 second of the TV station's sound! We discovered this during an experiment by tuning a hand-held scanner to 475.750 MHz which is the sound carrier for UHF TV Channel 14 (normally "dead"here). We heard TV "sound blips" instead of the UHF lightning signatures we were looking for! Do not experiment when lightning is nearby!"
Hi Tao,
This information is amazing!!! In my transformer experiments. I always seem to hit the best resonant frequency from 1-3MHz!! I wonder if my circuit is tapping into the power from the lightning strikes?
@Tao & Tishatang,
Your ideas for the rotating magnetic field sound great! While reading through the posts on this, I was reminded of this old generator called the Gramme Generator. It uses a toroidal winding and two magnets along with two magnets outside of the toroid to produce power. There is this other toroidal motor which I can?t remember the name of but it uses a single toroidal winding to spin without alternating currents. Anywho, here is a link to some pictures of the gramme generator: http://www.uibk.ac.at/exphys/museum/en/details/mag/gramme.html
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello guys,
electricity =electronsgas and plasma also,unimportant the definition hot/cold ! !
About parametric generator:Prof. Ferdinand Cap.
Cap +C.F.von Weizsaecker(worked also with Bethe):
You will enter "Nuclear physics" and time-parallel "high-fidelity philosophy":
The "GOTT/GOD ???" Frage/question !!!
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p.s.: I think that all this work is L.A.S.E.R./M.A.S.E.R./P.A.S.E.R. related.
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Hey Dave,
Good write up, I wish I knew as much as you did, I'm new to radiant energy and therefore what it consists of.
Did you read the thread and d/l the 4 videos that i think jason did, he was just pulsing a toroid transformer with one lead only, that is pos only, he hit a sweet spot of 9.2 volts in and was getting around 37 volts out i think, this was obtained at a certain frequency, i will see if i can findit and let you know, where it was, this i reckon confirms that we have something of radiant energy.
;D
Dom
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Here it is dave:-post 458 i think
Yes that is right, by using only one wire from my function generator to the transformer; my understanding is that there is no current flow since there is not a complete circuit. Also my circuit is not grounded to an earth ground anywhere. (Stefan did mention something about capacitive coupling being a posable way current was transferred but I'm not sure of that). I did actually post a circuit diagram and information about the specific transformer I used a while back but it seems that people either missed the post or ignored it. I think that it is significant that I can actually get an appreciable current output with nothing but a fluctuating voltage potential as the input. I also posted some videos of my original experiment where I discovered this effect. Though I was using some diodes in a setup I was testing for something completely different (it was an accident that I even found the effect). Here are the links to my original posts about both my setups:
Post about my diode circuit:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14080.html#msg14080
Demo Videos of the circuit:
http://overunity.com/jason/
Posts about my Transformer circuit
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg12399.html#msg12399
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14087.html#msg14087
Post with the circuit diagram
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14101.html#msg14101
I can't seem to find the post where I posted the pictures of the transformer but since the upload folder is still full, e-mail me (Jdo300@sbcglobal.net) and I'll be happy to send you the pictures.
@jacob
Awesome Insights about the inrush current in a wire! This proves my circuit in a sense because if you think about it, the only thing driving the electrons forward in the wire is the potential difference created inside the wire by the EMF (aka voltage potential) produced by the moving magnet. So I can create an EMF in my wire without using a ground and still create radiant energy bursts (via. Longitudinal waves) which are picked up in the secondary of the transformer. As I stated many times in my early posts, the setup I used is very frequency sensitive; and I noticed that the *sweet spot* frequency was determined by the size transformer/coil that I used. The larger transformers worked at a much lower frequency than the smaller transformers! I also developed a simple method to find the sweet spot by looking at the scope screen. When I make my demo video of the transformer, I?ll show how the output waveform changes as the sweet spot frequency is found. It is very obvious because the voltage wave form jumps up at the frequency.
God Bless,
Jason O
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what does one use as a white noise generator. I have been studying Edwin Gray's circuit and Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, this sounds much like those, but without the pulsing. I hate that i have come in on page 500 i wish i could read all that was posted, it would sure help. Evan
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@Marco, Dave,
So you are going to run whitenoise into a flyback to Ignition coil?
The whitenoise does the high frequency on and off which is the drive design for an ignition coil. So with the Voltage pumped up, the whitenoise radiantly discharges as purple/blue plasma. This is burning the flamable compnents in the air. Just like lightning.
Can you post a sketch of this small circuit. Basically, once again you have multi frequency Tesla coil that needs no tuning. And this is good, because this represents a step to get to a very high frequency power source from lower power input.
@Dave,
Thanks for the white noise generator schem. I will build one.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
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Does it look like this by any chance?
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I found as I was pulsing the coil when I brought a ferrite or magnetic item close to the black coil this appeared between the face of the magnet and the length of the coil. In the previous pic I was using a hard drive disk about 3mm above the coil, laying flat. I was pulsing the coil with a high voltage automotive coil through a spark gap. <see pic>
Comster
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Hi,
Did you notice this in daylight, or only in the dark? Normally for things like that to show up in a one atmosphere pressure a long exposure camera time in darkness is required. The discharges can only be easily seen when in vacuums or with certain gases inside. Do you know what it is?
Dave.
Dave
I could see it in the light as well, it was very hard to capture with the camera. The camera only got a part of the true colours. I am at a loss to describe what this is. I think perhaps it is high voltage seeping from the wire covering. All my tests showed that this glow was attracted to magnetic bodies, but worked best with ceramic magnets and ferrite.
Comster
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@Marco, Dave,
So you are going to run whitenoise into a flyback to Ignition coil?
The whitenoise does the high frequency on and off which is the drive design for an ignition coil. So with the Voltage pumped up, the whitenoise radiantly discharges as purple/blue plasma. This is burning the flamable compnents in the air. Just like lightning.
Can you post a sketch of this small circuit. Basically, once again you have multi frequency Tesla coil that needs no tuning. And this is good, because this represents a step to get to a very high frequency power source from lower power input.
@Dave,
Thanks for the white noise generator schem. I will build one.
--giantkiller, hence the name.
Do you know what page the white noise generator schematic is on?
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I believe the voltage was around 1kv. It is hard to tell when exactly the glow was created but when pulsed slowly it seemed to appear the instance when the spark jumped the gap. It sure would be nice to get access to a high-speed camera.
Comster
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So,
I followed Marco's effort, went by Mannix's latest pic and Tao's previous pic.
I now have one of the SM coils. It took an hour with previous materials.
The collector is 4" of 4 turns of 16 gauge stranded. The 4 controllers are 41 turns of 22 gauge solid. I will hook this to my controller and see what happens.
Based on the spreadsheet I posted before, the 'Resonant frequency by core diameter', I am going to pulse it at 1.4k first. Then I will check out the other multiples.
--giantkiller
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@Mannix,
What are the patent numbers associated with Steven Mark's device?
Which UEC Corporation holds the rights? (UEC is an acronym)
It may be somewhere in the previous <500 pages, but I'll ask anyway, what makes Steve say that his device harnesses the earth's magnetic field? Has he tried shielded it to verify this?
General comment:
Coil configuration is similar to a "scorch field" generator. Would not be surprised if Steve tried one of those back in the 80's or early 90's - probably scared the hell out of him if he did...
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Dual coil configuration consisting of a inner coil with an outer coil wrapped around it. Like a typical toroid.
Apply 50vdc to inner coil and 25kvdc to outer coil. Modulate (time varying) the field that is set up in the center of device.
This was the first mentioned I've ever heard of that had a coil arrangement like this.
Also resembles Bruce Depalma's model of the universe. See Attached.
Also, if the coil stops working upside down, but NSEW direction has no effect, then it is not the earth's magnetic field, but gravitational field that is of consequence.
Puts the whole interia issue in a new perspective...
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Undetectable waves,time-effect,...
keelynet:CSE-rays,Louis de Broglie and Grebennikov
Look for his,G., flying toy: platform weight versus force/velocity
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Purple/blue colored spikes radiated in all directions along the axis of the power lines for just a moment.
i have seen this...
it was a wire on high voltage laying on the ground the whole wire was shining.
but as you grabd it then it was gone but you could not feel anything.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't think I'd grab a wire that was shining like that if I saw it.
Very interesting though.
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what does one use as a white noise generator. I have been studying Edwin Gray's circuit and Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, this sounds much like those, but without the pulsing. I hate that i have come in on page 500 i wish i could read all that was posted, it would sure help. Evan
Evan, you can read all the pertinent SM/Mannix posts at my site in the forums at www.gn0sis.com
Compiling all of the user pertinent data is a little trickier since we don't really know what is pertinent or not, but there is a lot of stuff that seems pertinent, or even dead on. I would like people here to post things to that section of my site that they feel is extremely pertinent.
Diagrams, circuits, posts, theories, etc.
Also, I should make an experiments thread there.
It's all under "steven mark related"
Regards, Rich
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what does one use as a white noise generator. I have been studying Edwin Gray's circuit and Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, this sounds much like those, but without the pulsing. I hate that i have come in on page 500 i wish i could read all that was posted, it would sure help. Evan
Evan, you can read all the pertinent SM/Mannix posts at my site in the forums at www.gn0sis.com
Compiling all of the user pertinent data is a little trickier since we don't really know what is pertinent or not, but there is a lot of stuff that seems pertinent, or even dead on. I would like people here to post things to that section of my site that they feel is extremely pertinent.
Diagrams, circuits, posts, theories, etc.
Also, I should make an experiments thread there.
It's all under "steven mark related"
Regards, Rich
Wow, i like that, thanks much for this contribution to us all. I think it is a great idea to make connections from this forum into the forum on your web page. Thanks again, Evan.
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Hi argona369,
Will it still retain the "charge" if it's flipped upside down?
Going back to the SM flipping the torroid,
The SM flipping upside down (to shut it off?) is pretty interesting.
After reading posts/pics for e.g tao and others, and translating to mechanical model, it appears to be like a ratcheting system, where in one direction the DC pulse created by the resonant unidirectional wave (geopulse at 7.8Hz?) is ratcheting up the energy into the load. But if it's flipped it works against the ratchet so no output.
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Hmm,
if you really can show an EMF pulse after 1 hour in the primary,
that is indeed mysterious,
if you just open the secondary winding !
Are you sure you did nothing else,
like moving the transformer or changing anything else ?
After one hour all the currents should have long gone
to zero due to all the resistance losses...
Okay, you might still have a remanenz fluxdensitry inside
the iron core, but that is not affected, if you just open
the winding !
Hmm, strange effect !
Yes, please try to turn the transformer around by 180 degrees
BEFORE you open the secondary coil and see, if it will
inside the primary again get an EMF voltage pulse.
How big is the EMF voltage pulse ?
Just a few millivolts or more ?
How long does it last ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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hey dave would the radiant field also have the stinging effect?
cause i do remember one time i had the wire glowing and the cat came by.....
he started walking across the wire and looking strange at it.
then the cat even started to tap the wire with its little feet.(offcourse not the copper part!)
it was a bit funny to see but he did notice something.
i think it was something static he felt because of his long hairs.
i switched it off cause i didnt want to hurt the cat offcourse :)
marco
From what i understand radiant energy can have stinging effect it depends on what frequency it is being produced at. Tesla and gray also talk about times when they can touch the field and feel no shock.
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I was thinking on how to provide the self starting capability and was thinking of a crystal radio. What if Sm is using a modified crystal radio for the signal source? This can be done using a diode for the detector. The smaller coils in the center would be the tunning coil and the control coil would be the speaker coil. The magnet being brought by the smaller torrid coil would induce the initial kick perhaps? Then the magnetic field generated by the main torrid would be picked up by the smaller torrid thus creating a feedback loop.
Here is a link to a simple circuit diagram
http://www.midnightscience.com/images/cigar/cig_circ.gif
Thoughts?
Regards,
Carl
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ok so far i have the ignition coil hooked up its not as powerfull as the one i had before but it will do.
ive already had the cd going open and closed by itself also my camera started too take pictures by itself the voltmeter freaks and the lcd display of the laptop goes crazy he also says the network cable is not connected and the mouse stops moving :)
One hell of a magnetic field from that coil eh?
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Hi Carl,
I guess he would definatly be using a tuned circuit of some kind in order to receive a starting signal. But I guess the question is, from where does the extra come?
If you fed the output of crystal radio back to the input, you still have same as you started with, where does the extra come from?
If you do this in a battery powered radio, feed the output back you will end up with a vary large signal, but in the end the power to make that was taken from the battery.
But there is undoubtably a feedback loop as you say...
Regards,
Dave.
Dave,
I'm thinking that the feedback comes from the main torrid magnetically coupled to the smaller one. The large torrid is a tuned antenna which provides the amplification which is fed back to the crystal radio, this increase in signal is then re-introduced to the main torrid/antenna thus providing the positive feedback loop. The principle of the crystal radio is just to pickup the strongest signal, the magnet provides some of the amplification I believe. This is something I am willing to check out tonight by building a simple crystal receiver and place it in the core of my coil to see if this hold any "signal" ;D.
Carl
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Hehehehe you guys are crazy, but i like it.
on with the show. It's good to see alot of people now experimenting
;D
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Hi Carl,
When you try this, take out the diode. The diode isnt needed unless you want to de-modulate the received signal. Plus these signal diodes can only handle a very very small current and will break if its too high. You can try some in parallel instead. But having a tuned circuit with an aerial will receive a signal, no need for diode unless you want to listen! Plus with diode in you will not have nice AC to feedback, but DC pulses.
Dave.
Isn't that what we want in the control coil though? sharp DC pulses?
Carl
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Hi Carl,
A DC signal will excit a tuned circuit, so I guess that can work. But if you feed it back and back still contains the original energy. I still cant see where any extra can come from?
Dave.
Dave I am thinking the magnet is providing the amplification. Remember what was said a few pages back regarding the magnet and the coils? Well I gotta try this to see if this will provide the minor amplification required to start the feedback loop.
Carl
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Marco,
Here is the signal of your tuned circuit with two opposing magnets.
It is not the signal of a charge draining, or ringing off that was left in the capacitor. It is random and spikey. I do not think this can be from the left over charge ringing off?
Can you try it again?
@Carl, perhaps the magnet can do something here ;)
Dave.
dave, thow a diode in here (on the output to the scope) and lets see what the output looks like then
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Guys, I'm not sure about everyone else but the website (or maybe this thread) is still giving me problems, maybe we should start a second part to this thread to take the load off the server, what do you think?
Carl
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HI Dave,
You may be right in that we may need to move. I really would like to remain here but we need to have a forum we can use without nagging issues.
Stephan what can you do about the java issues (if this is the real cause)?
Regards,
Carl
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It must be ringing the coil then, this can occur with an external signal being inductively picked up
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hey everyone,
i won't bore you with any crazy theory today but i did want to let everyone know that since i havn't been posting as much lately, for some reason i was about to post a thank you to stephan for getting the website fixed. i have not disabled javascript and it seems that all of the problems with the website have been fixed.
i am not experieceing any delays going anywhere on the overunity site. i can go backwards and forwards in this site and everywhere else on overunity.
just makes me wonder. ??? :o ;D
lol
sam
ps. i wonder who is watching who?
It was woirking fine the other day and all of a sudden it was acting up again. Maybe you're right and the MIB's are trying to frustrate us huh? LOL I gotta tell you the website thing will not stop me from working this solution.
carl
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Just found this site http://www.crystalradio.net/professorcoyle/index.shtml and there was this excel spreadsheet tool to detemine coil inductance and assist in calculating the resonance of the coil with a known capacitance. Thought it might be of use.
Regards,
Carl
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Hi guys,
just a quick snapshot for the album, taking only the + side of
a flashing led and only connecting to the + side of the
'line in' socket of my sound card, no contact between the led
and the pickup and no grounded wires. this was briefly discussed
a while back, but here you go.
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Hi,
Did you ever post/attach the matlab file you talked about earlier?
That would be much appreciated...
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Dear all,
Just a quick note. I guess most of you already know about the wave/particle duality of the photon. Different areas of science still call it a wave and others call it a particle. The truth being its both and neither and changes depending on your relative view point.
One thing most people overlook is that the same interference tests have been done with electrons and other particles. These tests have shown that all particles following this duality. Electrons in an interference pattern can also appear like waves or particles depending on your view point. The idea of them being small perfectly round balls is just a way of making it easy to visualise the atom, in reality its very different! Hmm, the electron is a wave, not a particle, lol, does that throw a spanner in the works or what!
Dave.
Heh, and not just any wave, but a spinning one like a micro toroid, whose magnetic flux effects give the impression of gravity waves and thus the reasoning of being a particle having mass... ;)
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Like a sand storm... or schools of ocean fish.
We see the wind because of the particles. We see the pressure wave because of the 'blowing around'. So is a sand storm, wind or sand?
Pretty silly, huh? :D
--gaintkiller
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it isnt much but hey im glad this worked :)
its a grounding issue.
whatever you do the flow will always seek the way to the ground.
if resistance to the ground becomes less the flow becomes bigger.
if resistance is too high it will jump to anything made of metal not grounded so not connected to anything.
im looking at this from the wrong side.
i am at the end of the powerline wich runs high above the ground using the earth as retour wire.
the man himself stood at the beginning of the powerline almost next to the generator.
i donk really know if he saw it with the ac or the dc but the dc system they used then differs from what we use now.
so tomorrow im going to do it the other way.
there will be not one single ac connection to the earth involved.
im suspecting too see a whole diffrent thing.
its also frequency sensetive.
i keep saying it.....stevens coils are also not grounded.
marco
It may just be this computer but that file does not seem to open.
Jason, i thought you might find this helpful... The volumetric sizes of the structures are also slightly different so that the secondary radiation emitted therefrom at resonance interfere with each other producing a beat frequency radiation which is at a much lower frequency than that of the incident radiation and which is amenable to conversion to electrical energy.
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Marco,
Try to halfwave rectify the signal source to make it pulse DC, this should improve the output. I use car ignition coils to make HV for some experiements and I use a GM control module to avoid the negative pulse from the signal generator.
Added:
I also use a small 12 car battery to power these experiements to avoid the grounding issue as well as the current requirements of some of them.
Carl
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Hi, I'm relatively new here and only up to about page 243 of this great work, and I must say I'm proud of you guys, your commitment to the work, and the discoveries you've made thus far. Congratulations on a great learning experience.
Since I haven't yet caught up to the present what I'm about to discourse on may have already been figured out and tested, i guess I'll find out in a few days.
On page 243 Duchy makes some salient points which I wish to expound upon a bit in the hopes that it might make your path a bit clearer. He said:
<As we all have read in the mails Tao received from Mannic directly, SM confirmed the use of radiant energy in the device.
Question is, is the 'kick' used to produce the radiant energy burst or is it the burst of radiant energy itself?
When we assume the kick he is talking about is a burst of radiant energy then there is no way that it can be measured on the control coils. As Tesla states radiant energy only produces electricity when it passes through copper (or other metals). This means that it would only manifest itself on a collecter.....and not in the circuit that creates them. We might need a radiant energy receiver....
Is there anywhere or anyway to determine for sure if this kick we're looking for is either electric,magnetic or radiant??>
Okay, we have three windings, wound around the circumfrence of an air coil toroid, one on top, one in the middle, and one on the bottom. Lets' call thee coils 1, 2, and 3 counting from top to bottom.
Dutchy is correct that per Tesla you cannot directly measure the radiant spike with conventional instruments, BUT, you CAN measure the result of the radiant energies effect. That effect does indeed manifest on the collector.
As I see it, the top and bottom coils 1 and 3 must be your primary collector/resonating coils/ radiant emmitters. and should be many turns of fine coil wire, tuned to resonate at the target freq. of around 5k hertz, the torus should be sized for this resonance also. I'm sure you have all pretty much established this much of the puzzle.
When either the top or bottom coil spike, the energy produced is radiant energy, that is it is a longitudnal wave that emits at right angles from the surface of the wire in the coil that produced the radiant, and most of that radiant will seek whatever conductor is in the closest proximity, which in this case is the middle coil.
The middle coil I would call the output collector coil, and when each radiant pulse from the top and bottom coil in its' turn hits it, it is going to produce a whopping magnetic field, flow of electrons, and current in that middle coil, available at the output of this coil to produce the useful work the machine is designed to do. As this coil produces a sizable current it should be wound with fairly stout wire, dependent mostly on the size of the torus which determines the the total amount of current that can be developed, along with the number of turns of this coil. Keep in mind that all bets are off if the machine is allowed to fall in perfect tune, Kaboom, no wire will contain the result. You'll know if you've produced a radiant spike in the top or bottom coils by taking conventional voltage and current measurements at the output of the middle coil, when you've got it you'll know it!
So, if you are trying to measure the occurance of the radiant spike or some manifestation of it on either coil 1 or 3, it ain't going to happen.
Other observations:
Some amount of collection of the radiant from the top coil into the bottom coil and vice versa may or may not be important to the function of this device.
In order to produce the most energetic radiant you are shooting for a squarewave form that has almost no duration, that is on the scope it will look almost like a single straight line. This is something else that needs to be looked at, examined, and played with. Bottom line, if the input wave on the primary coil is allowed to propagate into the decay side of the waveform, poof, no radiant.
Transistors behaving the way they do, you may have to set the timing of the circuit to actually ANTICIPATE each input impulse, otherwise the the impulse is going to inevitably reach the other end of the coil before the transistor goes open, and poof, no radiant. Maybe think in terms of using the actual act of switching the transitor to open the connection on the coil as the trigger to send the impulse, the impulse will likely traverse to the coil end being fed and propagate to termination before the transistor switches opens the other end of the coil.
Also, I think there is a big clue in the output of Mark's machines. The output is pure DC with a weak 5k volt AC component in it. What does this tell us? One, that what is produced in the final output coil is all DC, it could be steady or pulsed, but that is irrelevant, it is DC, the flow is all in one direction. It is also telling us that the resonating coils are operating at 5k AC, the flow is changing directions. The weak 5k AC component found on the output is due to superimposition of the magnetic field in the top and bottom coils on the middle coils, but it isn't anywhere near as strong as the magnetic field set up when the radiant hits that middle collector. Also perhaps the radiant itself has some shielding effect on the AC field in the primaries that attenuates it in the output collector. I think there are some big clues in this.
Probably I'm full of crap, but hopefully some things to think about and play with.
Now I go back into hiding and try to catch up on this massive and epic story.
Yours,
Don
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Hey all!
Just been doing some independent reseach lately and came across something I think may help you in your quest for messuring anomylous "kicks" of increasing amplitude. I was reading on J.L. Naudins site about D.L. Chungs discovery of "negitive resistance" and its incorporation in to a "negative resistance oscilator". I immediately thought of this thread, and the possiblity that Chungs device may play a key role in creating and maintaining the input frequencies.
If any of the current developers have the time and budget to replicate a NRO, I believe it will unlock many new doors in the project, and possibly establish a working theory for the input frequencies.
Good work and good luck to all!
You all restore my faith in humanity. ;D
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Hey Tao..I see you posted my little experiment...
Most people told me my meter was wrong but the other day i read this Frolov document...
http://leedskalnin.com/frolov1.htm (http://leedskalnin.com/frolov1.htm)
Down the page a bit at fig 4, i see is similar to my setup......
I also setup a pulsed transformer and 2 ignition coils to replicate that Tesla circuit you posted...single wire transmission setup.....I sent the hight volt back emf spikes into the first ignition coil and used its output (1 wire) to the second ignition coil....the output (which is actually the primary coil on the second ignition coil) was able to light a small blue flouro i have....I also noticed an ordinary 12" flouro showed some light with no connection at all when placed on the table......Tesla was so cool 8)
Remember also that Tesla saw little sparks running along copper tubes first...then, being smart he wound copper ribbon in a spiral so it was like a tube but had air gaps between the edges of the ribbon..then he saw more effects and made conclusions ect....That is why his transmitter had lumps all over it.....to stream the flow of energy into tight small paths......
Each time there is pressure in the wire, then there are particles around the wire that turn 90 deg to it. These particles are from the air...When there is no pressure in the wire then those particles jump into the wire and cling to it. When the pressure comes again then those particles are pushed along with all the currents....
That is why ac currents can run a long way in the wire.....the wire itself is a small generator each time there is no pressure in it.....I have many physical tests to show how it is done.....but they have nothing to do with "electrons and protons"....." are you sure they are not the North and South pole individual magnets?" Ed.L
Sunlight, the cores of atoms, and the metal of the perpetual motion holder, are all cores that the individual N/S pole magnets orbit......The sunlight cannot pass through rocks, but the magnets can pass through anything.
The magnets cling to the matter that the sun sends out here...and the plants absorb those three things that are the base of everything...."Today, yesterday's sunlight is neutral particles of matter" Some of those magnets that come in with the light leave and join the others around the Earth.....
Best wishes
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Hey all!
Just been doing some independent reseach lately and came across something I think may help you in your quest for messuring anomylous "kicks" of increasing amplitude. I was reading on J.L. Naudins site about D.L. Chungs discovery of "negitive resistance" and its incorporation in to a "negative resistance oscilator". I immediately thought of this thread, and the possiblity that Chungs device may play a key role in creating and maintaining the input frequencies.
If any of the current developers have the time and budget to replicate a NRO, I believe it will unlock many new doors in the project, and possibly establish a working theory for the input frequencies.
Good work and good luck to all!
You all restore my faith in humanity. ;D
What exactly is an NRO, what is it an acronym for?
also, for IMNADJA "The weak 5k AC component found on the output is due to superimposition of the magnetic field in the top and bottom coils on the middle coils, but it isn't anywhere near as strong as the magnetic field set up when the radiant hits that middle collector" are you saying that the 5k is a beat frequency of the top and bottom coils imposed on the middle coil? Evan
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"I also setup a pulsed transformer and 2 ignition coils to replicate that Tesla circuit you posted..." SCOTTY, do you know where the Tesla circuit schmeatic is in the post? Evan
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you can see the patent here.....I had no Earth wires connected though...gotta get around to that.
http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/transform.htm (http://www.tfcbooks.com/patents/transform.htm)
I just used a 12v 800ma dc transformer to test with....
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thanks scotty for the link! Evan
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Hi Kosh,
well done your experiment.
How high in amplitude are the pulses in the blue coil ?
Just a few millivolts or in the Volts region ?
Why do you get multiple spikes ?
Is this the Mark effect?
Maybe you need some more windings in
the input coils ? Otherwise you waste too much
input energy, cause the resistance is too low !
Good luck !
Regards, Stefan.
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Hey all!
Just been doing some independent reseach lately and came across something I think may help you in your quest for messuring anomylous "kicks" of increasing amplitude. I was reading on J.L. Naudins site about D.L. Chungs discovery of "negitive resistance" and its incorporation in to a "negative resistance oscilator". I immediately thought of this thread, and the possiblity that Chungs device may play a key role in creating and maintaining the input frequencies.
If any of the current developers have the time and budget to replicate a NRO, I believe it will unlock many new doors in the project, and possibly establish a working theory for the input frequencies.
Good work and good luck to all!
You all restore my faith in humanity. ;D
What exactly is an NRO, what is it an acronym for?
also, for IMNADJA "The weak 5k AC component found on the output is due to superimposition of the magnetic field in the top and bottom coils on the middle coils, but it isn't anywhere near as strong as the magnetic field set up when the radiant hits that middle collector" are you saying that the 5k is a beat frequency of the top and bottom coils imposed on the middle coil? Evan
Chung's Negative Resistance experiments
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/ (http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/)
Oscillation amplitude and energy grow exponentially with time...
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part5/page1.html (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part5/page1.html)
I've found this device today, and the phrase "like a fire that feeds its self" popped in to my head. Mr Mark had told that to Mannix once, and this device appeared to fit the discription very well. If one could dump the excess amperage in cycles timed with the resonance of the combined frequencies, I believe it would be a self running overunity device. I only know the very basics about working with electronic components, but I had a gut feeling that this was an important piece of the puzzle in some way...
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How high in amplitude are the pulses in the blue coil ?
Just a few millivolts or in the Volts region ?
Why do you get multiple spikes ?
Stephan,
You can see from the pic that that CH1 is 200mV/div.
Regards,
Dave.
Ahh, I see, so the peek to peek is already about 800 Millivolts !
Not bad for such small windings input coils !
If you will wind up some more turns for the input coils
and also with much more smaller diameter,
that would probably raise much the output power !
Also don?t drill the input coils at the end , as you can get confused,
where to put the right polarity input pulses.
All input coils must have the same turning direction also.
It would probably be okay, to have just only 4 input coils.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Stefan and Dave,
Stefan, have you truncated the posts on your site, I've noticed its half what it was, I dont want to brag too much as i dont want to add to junk posts.
Dave I read the negative resistor stuff, and Jean naudins replication of it...very interesting stuff, I wonder if we introduce this neg resist idea to lc cct, or even use it in a crystal radio setup. I found sometime ago, or someone sent a link with a free running oscillator, once started with a voltage , it would continue indefinitely, after the voltage was removed, dont know if anyone got this going. maybe combining the ndr to this, might be an interesting experiment.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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@Dom,
as we now have 10 postings per page the page count number is now halfed.
There are no missing postings.
@Dave,
well I find it astonishing that KOSH gets already 800 Millivolts
with his setup, as he drives his input coils only with 5 Volts !
If he would use more turns on the input coils, he probably could
get more output.
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It seems he is using a 5 Volts voltage regulator 7805 or something
like this to generate
the 5 Volts DC supply from the 12 Volts battery.
Maybe he is switching the coils also only with 5 Volts
pulses, then 800 Millivolts peek2peek output
is already pretty good for these input coils setup.
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Dom,
A negative resistance oscillator using a differential negative resistance region will not yeild any free energy. It just means that during a certain region, resistance will drop as voltage increases, so the current remains level.
But if Chungs TRUE NEGATIVE resistance is real, where the resistance DROPS BELOW ZERO, rather than it just being a differential negative resistance, then it results in voltage in the opposite direction. The resistor absorbs photons into the system, rather than scattering them out. This could be good, but so far I have seen only minus 0.003 ohms or something, so this is nothing to shout about. Chung claims minus 8 ohms by using them in series or parallel. But Dr Chung has been ordered to keep it shut and the university will not comment on her work or even acknowledge it now. So from this we can say its probably a real effect. No one has yet tried using this TRUE negative resistance in an oscillator as yet, just simple DC circuits where its easy to measure the effect.
What is this oscillator that remains going after the power is removed? If this is true, then surely it is already free energy since what is sourcing this oscillation?
Regards,
Dave.
When I remember correctly we ( Naudin and me and some other people) came to the conclusion,
that the CHUNG negative resistor was only a partial negative resistor but not a real negative
resistor power supply...
It only worked, when supply voltage was applied, so it could
not work as a free energy source.
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Hi Dave,
I bet they have a research facility to research the researchers...keep an eye on them so to speak.
This site would be one of them.
then they track us down like dogs and kill us.
Dom
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found this interesting http://www.vlf.it/FSR/FSR.html
A VLF receiver
EXTREMELY LOW FREQUENCIES RECEPTION :o
The frequency range below 1 kHz is affected by many specific reception problems. Here we have a lot of hum noise: normally the principal quantity of hum noise is just there. We have less sensitivity of the antenna, because at so low frequencies the intrinsic capacity of the antenna becomes a super high impedance source and the adapting with the preamplifier became critical. Natural radio signal at ULF frequencies, like Schumann resonances, represents more critical reception respect whistlers, tweaks, statics and RTTY.
Besides the rain produces a lot of local hum noise below 500 Hz, caused by static field from ground to sky: when a storm cloud passes over our heads.
Mike
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Hi Dave,
http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/oddosc.html, here's the link of that odd oscillator, that apparently is free running once started, this would be good to try with the addition of a neg free resistor:-
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/index.htm, from his simple version using off the shelf components:-http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/negosc.htm
Anyway its a thought
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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Hi Dave,
ok sorry, Your definitely alittle way ahead of me here.
I was just thinking about sm's early videos, you know how he mentions that his device acts like a jet engine, i.e it winds up.
The middle coil on his first prototype could be part of an lc cct, just curious maybe we should try placing a magnet next to the odd oscillator cct to see if it makes a difference.
Cheers,
Dom ;D
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Hmm, Quite right Dave, something else that sticks in my head about his initial videos, he says this is not a free energy device, rather a 'CONVERSION' device, so maybe all he is doing is pulsing with a simple 555 timer at a certain frequency, and possibly feeding this back into the coil setup he has. I posted a diagram awhile ago on something i found in one of my mini enginnering notebooks, and when i saw it, I was convinced in part, that what Steven marks has done can be related to this same article, only way to findout is to experiment with what we already know, Anyhow take alook at this dc to dc converter, I haven't been able to find anything on the web that comes close. If you do post me the link.
Oh also d/l this java applet i found, its got alot of cool simulations, which one of them is a lc cct.
http://www.walter-fendt.de/download/ph14dl.htm
This is all like looking for clues and trying different things, notice that the NDR from Doctor Chung was found out purely by accident
Ah yes Technology - accident....lol
Dom ;D
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So we have a mix of frequencys and rotating fields, in normal terms this still won't couple to the collector! So it cannot be normal EM interaction, its must be something else, radiant energy, longitudinal EM wave or something. And lets say you have a 90 degree coupling that works, what will make it so special that it won't be subject to the normal losses of 0 degree coupling? In other words, lets say you had a 90 degree coupling that worked, why should this be overunity? Where is the extra energy coming from?
Lets say even that some frequencys can mix and create a larger amplitude which contains more energy, like the two sinewaves adding. This still wont couple to a 90 degree collector. So what is going on?
I think its easy to get carried away with so many ideas, we need to get back to basics! How can we get a 90 degree coupling? How can this be possible? Perhaps when this is clear, the rest will become clear? The rotating frequencys and mix must in some way create a situation which allows the impossible 90 degree coupling...
Dave.
Hi Dave,
As far as it being overunity I guess there are only two options:
1. Radiant energy (overunity like Gray = abruptly interrupting the current before it reaches the end of the wire)
2. EM wave adding (4x power)
There aren't any other options of violating the law of conservation of energy are there?
So, if that's the case then SM's device has to operate by one of the above principles.....
Seeing as there is a 90 degree coupling (which is for sure as far as i can see) it could only be radiant energy,RIGHT?
I must say that the wave adding to me sounds just as promising as the whole TPU itself, but that should be something for a seperate topic i guess.
You seem to think along the same lines, reading you recent posts......
Regards Dutchy
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Hi Dave,
Yes, i have read "the secret of cold electricity" by Peter Lindemann a few times now and ther must be some truth in it because there are too many ppl claiming results with this form of energy. It is not something that someone just makes up.....
Assuming Radiant Energy:
For along time I couldn't think of a way to be able to quickly enough interrupt the current flow. BUT... an earlier post by someone put me on the right track i think. Instead of trying to interrupt the current after you fire it into a coil (and your control circuit will be far too late to interrupt it in time), we have to send off the interupter pulse (through a transistor) FIRST!! Then in the time it takes for the transistor to cut off the circuit we setup the power in the coil. We should be able to time it really well then by adjust the time between the cut off pulse to the transistor and the power being setup in the coil.
I hope you get what I mean.....
What ya think?
Dutchy
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Hi Kosh,
well done your experiment.
How high in amplitude are the pulses in the blue coil ?
Just a few millivolts or in the Volts region ?
Why do you get multiple spikes ?
Is this the Mark effect?
Maybe you need some more windings in
the input coils ? Otherwise you waste too much
input energy, cause the resistance is too low !
Good luck !
Regards, Stefan.
Stephan,
In Kosh's experiement he is ringing the large coil. I have performed the same experiement with a large collector coil and a control coil pulsing it with a 200khz 50% duty cycle squarewave and got the similar results.
I believe the signal is reflecting from the end of the wire and bouncing back and forth until it dies off (diminishing in strength). If Kosh adjusts the horizontal time base he can see just one pulse on his scope (with resultant reflections) then use his delta function on the scope to determine the period of the first cycle thus giving him the coils resonant frequency (at least a close idea of it). In my experiements I checked the first cycle of the signal and found that with a 200khz input signal the period of the first cycel of the induced induced pulse in the collector is around 3Mhz. Since I had wound my coil using 16Ga lamp cord (stranded) I had a ready made Bilfialr coil so I connected it in series and retested, the resultant frequency halved from the first.
With these results I was wondering about SM's coils and their resonant frequency, I came up with 2 possibilities, the first is the coil must be an antenna (loop) and the wavelength of the antenna must be fractional (1/8 wave or so), I need to work that out yet. Thus the collector will need to be tuned to the desired freqency with the addition of a capacitor to increase the output. The second is that SM's coils are tuned to the 3Mhz band and he is tapping the ambient pulses from Lightining strikes which exist in that frequency band to beat against.
in either case I am thinking that the collector coil is needing a capacitor to create a tuned LC tank circuit to re-enforce the signal pulses and increase its strength.
I will post some pictures of the scope results later this weekend to show the similar results to Kosh.
These results plus my idea of a simple crystal radio for the signal generation (starting signal source) using a magnet to act as a simple amplifier may provide the key to a regenerative signal source.
I came to this conclusion using the following:
1) Center smal torrid coil with a capacitor using a non conductive core
2) small coil means higher frequency reception than 5khz (possibly)
3) a small germanium diode as a detector to create positive pulses
4) Feedback loop from the large torrid coil via magnetic induction to the smaller one in the center
5) The radio theory re: loop antennas and being directional and they can be part of the input tank circuit to the crystal receiver (we can use the center winding of the large torrid as the loop)
6) The output of the receiver is linked back to the large torrid via a control coil (this is the speaker for the receiver module)
7) Even if the receiver is picking up static/noise the pulses are usable to drive the large coil arrangement (short duration pulses)
8) SM mentioned that the worst case scenario of lots of frequencies will produce better results (the output of the receiver will have noise)
9) The crystal receiver will have a small DC component in its output which can setup a small magnetic field in the control coil to help directionalize the signal rotation (this is a natural by product of the crystal receiver design)
10) The magnetic field from the magnet will increase the effective size of the receivers pickup/tuning coil (antenna theory again).
These are the facts as I see them so far, I may be off base here but I am thinking that we are looking at a simple regenerative receiver.
I am building a crystal receiver today to test some of these assumptions and goign to try the following:
1) wind a small torrid aircore coil for the input tank circuit with a large value cap to form the LC tank
2) connect a germainium diode with the appropriate bypass caps (,001 & .1 uf)
3) check signal reception/levels with and without a ceramic magnet near the tank circuit
4) if the above shows promise connect it to my existing coil to see if it has an affect
Hopefully I can get this experiement completed this weekend if family obligations do not distract.
again this is my theory and maynot hold water but I am thinking this is a valid direction.
Regards,
Carl
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Dave,
I am thinking the 90 degree coupling of the control versus the collectors is required to convert the pulses to an AC/sinewave. This seems to be the effect the 90 degree coupling has, just see the scope shots from Kosh. I think this will setup the active antenna (magnetic) field required to enhance the effective size of the loop antenna in the collector coil(s).
Added:
I was also thinking that the 90 degree coupling provides a "one way street" if you like since sinewaves cannot come back thru the coupling, my experiements show that the sinewave doesn't couple as well as a squarewave.
Hi Carl,
I was just thinking about what you said just now about beating against the lightening signal.
If we have a battery and a bulb and to this we also add a solar panel. So the panel is not charging the battery, but just giving its extra free bit to help power the bulb. Here we have COP>1, but Effeciency <100%.
If we have a battery powering an oscillator in to a transformer and try to feed 14volts back to a 12v battery, we can do this but the current drops. We loose power. But if we add a small solar panel to help power the oscillator, we can make up the small difference that we normally loose. Lets say we have a 99% effecient oscillator and transformer so when we feed it back we only loose 1%, perhaps we can get that 1% back with the solar panel and thing will charge itself with only a small panel! Again the effeciency is <100% because the transformer will loose some as heat and the panel only converts 15% of the light that falls on it, but the COP is>1.
Can this then also be done by feeding back some power you already have but just adding that little extra received from a lightening strike in to the feedback loop?!
Still, no 90 degree coupling though :-[
Dave.
Dave I think this is similar to my assumption/theory regarding the coupling and tuned loop antennas. what do you think?
Regards,
Carl
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But we have to think about this, current doesnt travel down a pipe like water, making its way to the end. Although crude, its more like a tube of marbles that is already filled up (a wire). We then push one marble in the end, so one must immediatly come out the other end, they do not make their way down. The moment it flows at one end, it is flowing at the other, how then can you cut it off before it reaches the other end?
But with a spark gap, its different, the air in the spark gap its not build in to the circuit, its open, so you could cut it off while the spark is in mid air, before it reaches the other side of the gap. Hence teslas interupted spark gap.
Dave.
All true....are we sure there isn't a way to create a radiant energy burst without a spark gap???? If there isn't doesn't that rule out this principle for the TPU?
On the other hand, if we look at the GRAY circuit he DOES spend some electrons to make the thing work. He just puts some of the gain back to the battery. So if we basically would replace the gray tube with a mosfet and spend some electrons in the process it wouldn't be such a problem, would it?
When you were testing with the transistors what voltage did you use? You need a very high DC voltage to accomplish the radiant burst!
Dutchy
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Here are a few links to some information that speaks to theory regarding antennas and powerless reception.
regarding tuning coils
http://www.crystalradio.net/professorcoyle/index.shtml
Crystal radio circuits
http://www.techlib.com/electronics/crystal.html
Regarding antennas
http://www.hard-core-dx.com/nordicdx/antenna/special/swlant.html
I have a few more but need to locate them.
Regards,
Carl
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But I believe there are other ways to acheive this using bucking fields (of a sort). I am testing something at the moment. If there are any results I will of course post. TPU could have colliding fields too, which give it the interial feel, not sure.
Hi again,
Yes, you're right. It is ppossible that way, which brings us back to Tao's drawing where the control coils are creating bucking fields. I think you still need substantial voltage for it though.
Dave, are you able to test something like that? Wrap up two coils, and lengthwise put a stout wire through it, create bucking fields and see if there is a voltage on the stout wire? This would be an outcut of the toroid..... If the TPU is based on that then this little test should work too!
Dutchy
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Hi Carl,
I can see what you are saying with the one way signal! I have tried some 90 degree coupling with square waves. You are right, because the signal in the secondary will not be square or spike, it will not have any backwards coupling! But is this of any use? Its like a magnetic diode?! It also makes the system asymetrical and as such not in equalibrium.
Kosh has just mentioned the capacitance between the coils, so the coupling we have seen so far could be electrostatic induction, since there is no magnetic interaction between the coils. This explains the weak interaction. Most of the energy is in the magnetic field. So using the electrostatic field here is not efficient?
My solar panel analogy does go with your theory, perhaps I didnt read it properly? I thought you wanted to receive a signal and feed it back. If we take that to the solar panel and we simply have a solar panel and a bulb and we feed use the light from the bulb and shine it on the panel and use that to power the bulb, it will not work. Only 15% of the light from the bulb will be turned in to electricity, so the thing will stop immediatly. I though this what you mean with cyrstal radio feedback?
But if you have the sun on the panel and use the panel to power the bulb and shine the bulb on the panel too, you can start a loop because there is always extra coming in from outside the system. So I guess what you were saying is, continually receive an outside signal and feed it back too and see if it can build up...
Regards,
Dave.
you got it Dave, outside plus inside feedback will increase overall output, even with a minor increase this will keep regenerating until it gets large enough.
There is some radio and antenna theory that speaks to regeneration and signal swamping the tank circuit (this relates to the local feedback via the large torrids magnetic field). I am thinking this is worth investigating.
Regards,
Carl
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Gad all these ads are ridiculous. I feel like I am being spammed by ads. Surely you can find a better way to make money off this site instead of bombarding us with ads.
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Gad all these ads are ridiculous. I feel like I am being spammed by ads. Surely you can find a better way to make money off this site instead of bombarding us with ads.
I agree, its a bit crazy! I can't even read german!
Dave.
Gn0sis offer to move there still stands......
www.gn0sis.com
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I agree, the time it takes to load these ads may be small but when you have to read an average of 25-50 posts it all ads up. If there were no ads there could be more posts per page. Anyway I?ll keep checking gn0sis site, I did a ping on it and it seems to be alive so he must be working on it. When I first started viewing this site a few years ago there were no ads, my how things change.
C0mster
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Simplicity leads to awareness of the obvious.
The graphics depicts what we know about current flow and magnetic fields.
The striped toroid is the mag field from the control coil 'A'.
And according to the right hand rule lets say the green arrow is the induced current flow.
When the current flows through the collector to the next control coil 'B' a new field will be induced into the next control coil 'B'.
Now the control coils are sequence pulsed in the direction of the induced current while still maintaining the right hand rule. This was put in place by the direction we wound the control coil windings.
So additively we have an induced field in the coil that we are about to pulse next.
Time this just right to reduce losses.
Now lets stack three of these ring configurations and pulse each sequence just behind the other ring at a 90d phase. I have them spread apart for viewing. Marco had a good animated gif of current flow with moving arrows on his coils posted a while back. The second one from the bottom is the one we will focus on. Square pulses incite quick fields and the smooth sequencing will get you the additive power you get from the kicks in harmonic resonancy.
If the 3 rings were adjacent in close proximity then the mag fields from each ring would also induce current in its partner. My ears are starting to ring now.
Time this just right to add pressure. I see 'push comes to shove'.
I have three rings in sequence in 1 pic and two rings in phase behind the middle ring in another pic. Hence the two frequencies, top and bottom, and the middle one. We'll call this one a 'Magnetic bulldozer'.
These revisions exemplify the need for the segmented control coils.
Now what if the center control coils were not pulsed. Then the induced current on the middle collector and the control coils could be siphoned off, no? This would lend credence to 'Some are conected in parallel and some in series'. This also looks like a magnetic Tesla coil.
Oh, BTW, The 90d coupling happens twice. Can you see it? It is not a problem.
--giantkiller
P.S. To the MIBs: we know you see and we don't care...
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So then, there is no current in the center collector wiring?
Then why pulse the controllers?
If one were to pulse the collector and read off the controller coils, that just equates to a circular step up transformer.
The thing that makes the toroid different is the segmented pulsing for the rotationg magnetic field and or the increasing and decreasing magnetic pressure in the center of the core/field.
Since this project has the rotational field by segmented control imbedded in it, there has been no mention of the consequences of magnetic center spinning around off center. Does this happen anywhere else?
There are two outcomes to this project. Electrical and magnetic. They are tightly bound together. I am concerned with both. And in both arenas there has been progress made. And it does seem that major steps can be taken by putting together the steps that don't seem to do much but quantitatively the output is phenominal. That is what Tesla's findings are. All the incremental parts of his findings are in every day life. But put them together and the sum is much bigger than the parts. You end up with devices that scare upper management.
Thanks for the critiques, RFC on my drawings. I don't want to waste time or server space.
With the added ads down the side, the 10 posts per page are longer than they should be, navigationally speaking. Be careful what we ask for. I save many posts by page number to my messages. Double them , divide by 2, more work, lost doco. The design guide has chunks missing till I decide to go back and research. My time on this site is for moving forward, not back peddling. Sigh... The post speed has the needle pegged. If one spends too much time looking back, one eats dust.
--giantkiller
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Hi Dom, I am sure the thing has a rotating field and winds up when started. The compass spins faster and faster until the field spins too fast for the compass to keep up.
I am sure there is an IC in the centre box controlling the rotating field or something.
Indeed, there is an IC in the control circuit, but it is not involved in rotating the field.
I can create a rotating field with or without ICs, I can make one that winds up by itself by using transistors and feeding one control coil to the next, etc.
All this is easy. The biggest problem to me is why there is such a large coupling at 90 degrees.
In normal terms this would be so unefficient as to be worthless. But SM seems to indicate it is an important factor, yet no conventional circuits can make use of this? We can talk about rotating fields and harmonics and any other previously known and well understood phenomenah, but none of it explains why he has such a strong coupling at 90 degrees between the contol and collector coils?
Like SM said, what we know from conventional electromagnetism may not serve us well here.
I think we are waisting our time until we understand how such a strong and efficient 90 degree coupling can exist!
Why don't you explore this avenue as we know for sure that this is how it works. Then, when you hit on the effect, you'll have plenty of time to figure it out.
But having said this the smaller see through device doesnt have this, just 4 bifilar coils, thats it!
Are we to take what we can see with our own eyes in the video, or are we to listen to so called SM emails via Mannix that we have no evidence are really from SM? I am not saying that are not, just its hard to know the wheat from the chaf.
The see through device also have this. It's just that you don't see it. And neither can you see it in the toroidal devices. But it (collector orientation) has been confirmed by SM as accurate.
So we have a mix of frequencys and rotating fields, in normal terms this still won't couple to the collector! So it cannot be normal EM interaction, its must be something else, radiant energy, longitudinal EM wave or something. And lets say you have a 90 degree coupling that works, what will make it so special that it won't be subject to the normal losses of 0 degree coupling? In other words, lets say you had a 90 degree coupling that worked, why should this be overunity? Where is the extra energy coming from?
Lets say even that some frequencys can mix and create a larger amplitude which contains more energy, like the two sinewaves adding. This still wont couple to a 90 degree collector. So what is going on?
Magnetic resonance.
I think its easy to get carried away with so many ideas, we need to get back to basics! How can we get a 90 degree coupling? How can this be possible? Perhaps when this is clear, the rest will become clear? The rotating frequencys and mix must in some way create a situation which allows the impossible 90 degree coupling...
I submit to you that the extra energy being picked up by the collector coils might not be a result of coupling, but the manifestation of another phenomena. Think about it...
Regards,
Jacob
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@giantkiller,
Someone mentioned it earlier, but you deserve it once more: your graphics are really stunning! Good work!
Marco had a good animated gif of current flow with moving arrows on his coils posted a while back. The second one from the bottom is the one we will focus on.
I must respectfully disagree with you giantkiller: Marco does have good animated gifs, but unfortunately none represent the way the control coils should be pulsed.
P.S. To the MIBs: we know you see and we don't care...
The military probably isn't overly worried either. They have certainly noticed that the only rotational movement going on here doesn't involve magnetic flux but people, going round in circle trying to figure it out. :D
Regards,
Jacob
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I submit to you that the extra energy being picked up by the collector coils might not be a result of coupling, but the manifestation of another phenomena. Think about it...
Regards,
Jacob
i think he means the extra energy is coming from the ionization of the molecules in the air.
but he wont tell us because he likes to keeps things for himself.
so no offence jacob....im just spitting out all i know to try and help the others here understand.
marco
There is no offence Marco. Actually, your theory is interesting. But it would imply that the TPU would not work in the absence of air. Do you think that's the case?
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Dave,
http://www.electricstuff.co.uk/oddosc.html, here's the link of that odd oscillator, that apparently is free running once started, this would be good to try with the addition of a neg free resistor:-
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/index.htm, from his simple version using off the shelf components:-http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/negosc.htm
Anyway its a thought
Cheers,
Dom ;)
Exactly what I was thinking!!! :)
The way I understand the NRO's funtion is the voltage drops expontialy while the amperage climbs exponetialy with no losses to resistance, like a superconducting step up transformer. If any amount of any HV open source energy (static, dry pile, radiowave) could be fed in to such a circut to stablize the voltage the circut could then supply a frequency of constantly growing amplitude. If you could then use the torriod to collect, rotate, and distribute the energy, it would seem to be a viable soluion for well tuned nongrounded oscillating power.
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I must respectfully disagree with you giantkiller: Marco does have good animated gifs, but unfortunately none represent the way the control coils should be pulsed.
Regards,
Jacob
dude i asked you how should it be connected ...... you never awnserd that.
like i said you like to keep things.
Sorry Marco, you are right, I never answered. First I didn't have the time to do so. Also, remember what SM said (or was it Mannix) about "monkey see monkey do". We all need to try to understand what is going on here. Finally, I had already answered it earlier when I published the toroidal winding diagram.
But to make your life easier, I suggest that you only work with one collector coil for now. The 2 others are not necessary unless you have control circuitry onboard. Also, if you drive the coils with a simple mosfet circuit, you wont create the favorable conditions. These coils must operate as part of a balanced LC circuit.
Regards,
Jacob
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Ok. Let's do this again.
It's been a while since I did waste server space with eflame.
We know we need a mechanical configuration and the electrical configuration.
The parameters of both are vast.
Most of the traffic volume has been in the last 2 months with more relevant information from true building and experimenting, not theory and pictures. Congrats to those of us that have put in an honest try. But, to members of this thread that have unreleased answers, I say @#@#%# to you and the horse rode in on.
@Jacob
You end every post with God bless. Every day that you withhold vital information, the poor suffer and die.
What are your beliefs?
@Mannix
what are your beliefs?
@SM
what are your beliefs?
@Tao
what are your beliefs?
@everone else
what are your beliefs?
Everyday while the experimentors slave, spend time and money, travel, buy, put together, test, win/lose,
the theorists and withholders, mentally masterbate over the control they keep(small men wanna be god):
146,000 abortions are performed worldwide daily,
10,000 innocent humans starve to death daily,
Untold millions of children goto bed hungry nightly, I was one!
Untold thousands get sold into slavery daily,
Over 1 million tons of armaments are sold monthly,
for those who read this and do not weep, then damn ya.
You think I am having fun here? I am working towards an answer like others who give a shit about the world.
It has been stated that 'we must progress to the point of knowing what this techology is or we could hurt ourselves'. Back up the truck dipshit. Let us all go to the store and buy more useless shit packaged by some 3rd world slave, payed only enough to feed one when they have a family to support. Buy your health food snack made by a cigarette company selling smokes to children in the Phillipines. So who is hurting who?
It's been 9 months since this thread opened. If this thread crosses the 1 year mark with the same results up till now then I guess it can't be done? That is one hell of an ugly thought. And I had it! A real mental scab. Tesla was such a great soul to present what he know and what is possible. If any of us go to our graves with secrets,
May God smite your lineage...
--giantkiller
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@Tao,
Thanks.
T-minus 100 days and counting...
--giantkiller
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And if SM setup the frequencies to have the worst case ineractions like is talked about Tesla above, SM would create all these mini-fireballs(KICKS) and these would HIT the collectors!
I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ANYTHING, ONLY THAT IT IS VERY INTERESTING and should be researched............[/b]
so its a balanced disaster........it hangs on the edge of destruction?
maybe i should go for a solar panel :)
:D
Jacob
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QUOTE! SORRY IM BAD AT CHOPPING QUOTES QUOTE
It will be necessary to reconstruct his statements from very fragmentary notes and a long distance memory.
Parasitic oscillations, or circuits, within the main circuit were a source of danger from this cause. Points of resistance in the main circuits could result in minor oscillating circuits between terminals or between two points of resistance and these minor circuits would have a very much higher period of oscillation than the main circuit and could be set into oscillation by the main current of lower frequency.
WHY IS IT THAT THE POINTS OF RESISTANCE WOULD HAVE A HIGHER PERIOD OF OSCILLATION? IS IT BECAUSE THE RESISTANCE IS HOLDING THE FREQUENCY THERE LONGER SO THE INCOMING FREQUENCY IS HELD THERE WITH IT WHICH GIVES IT A LONGER TIME TO OSCILATE?
Even when the principle oscillating circuit was adjusted for the greatest efficiency of operation by the diminution of all sources of losses the fireballs continued to occur but these were due to stray high frequency charges from random earth currents.
From these experiences it became apparent that the fireballs resulted from the interaction of two frequencies, a stray higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency free oscillations of the main circuit.
WHERE WAS THIS STRAY HIGHER FREQUENCY COMING FROM, HOW HIGH? POSSIBLE CASMIR FREQUENCIES?
It is but a step, from learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be produced by intent."
IF HIT AT A HARMONIC OR A RESONANT FREQUENCY WONT THIS CAUSE EXPLOSIVE SPIKES? POSSIBLY RESULTING IN EXPLOSIVE DISCHARGE?
HMM,
Steven's quotes:
"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort. They are only a means to achieve an end. The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the multiple kicks become a combined big kick." size=15pt]"Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output."
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with. The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil."
SO IF A AND B WERE OSCILATED TOGETHER TO FORM X, TAKE THE BEAT FREQUENCY (X) OF THAT AND COUPLE IT TO A THIRD FREQUENCY WHICH RESONATES WITH THE (X) TO FORM A BEAT FREQUENCY (Z) WHICH WILL THEN RESONATE WITH A OR B? IF THIS VISCIOUS CYCLE COULD BE USED IT SEEMS AS THOUGH IT WOULD PRODUCE AN EVER CLIMBING KICK.
What if the descriptions from Tesla above are what SM was producing, but on a lesser scale then Tesla, which would be created by the imposing of multiple frequencies in a certain way.
And what if one of the waves SM was using was actually naturally occuring like from lightning, space, or magnetism??
And if SM setup the frequencies to have the worst case ineractions like is talked about Tesla above, SM would create all these mini-fireballs(KICKS) and these would HIT the collectors!
I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS ANYTHING, ONLY THAT IT IS VERY INTERESTING and should be researched............
[/quote] I THINK THAT THAT POST OF YOURS WILL BE VERY HELPFUL!Evan, sorry for the caps dont know how to splice quotes.
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Ok. Let's do this again.
It's been a while since I did waste server space with eflame.
We know we need a mechanical configuration and the electrical configuration.
The parameters of both are vast.
Most of the traffic volume has been in the last 2 months with more relevant information from true building and experimenting, not theory and pictures. Congrats to those of us that have put in an honest try. But, to members of this thread that have unreleased answers, I say @#@#%# to you and the horse rode in on.
@Jacob
You end every post with God bless. Every day that you withhold vital information, the poor suffer and die.
What are your beliefs?
@Mannix
what are your beliefs?
@SM
what are your beliefs?
@Tao
what are your beliefs?
@everone else
what are your beliefs?
Everyday while the experimentors slave, spend time and money, travel, buy, put together, test, win/lose,
the theorists and withholders, mentally masterbate over the control they keep(small men wanna be god):
146,000 abortions are performed worldwide daily,
10,000 innocent humans starve to death daily,
Untold millions of children goto bed hungry nightly, I was one!
Untold thousands get sold into slavery daily,
Over 1 million tons of armaments are sold monthly,
for those who read this and do not weep, then damn ya.
You think I am having fun here? I am working towards an answer like others who give a shit about the world.
It has been stated that 'we must progress to the point of knowing what this techology is or we could hurt ourselves'. Back up the truck dipshit. Let us all go to the store and buy more useless shit packaged by some 3rd world slave, payed only enough to feed one when they have a family to support. Buy your health food snack made by a cigarette company selling smokes to children in the Phillipines. So who is hurting who?
It's been 9 months since this thread opened. If this thread crosses the 1 year mark with the same results up till now then I guess it can't be done? That is one hell of an ugly thought. And I had it! A real mental scab. Tesla was such a great soul to present what he know and what is possible. If any of us go to our graves with secrets,
May God smite your lineage...
--giantkiller
Hello giantkiller,
You bring up an interesting point here. Are you suggesting that God's intends to use this technology to save the world. Or that he wants it made public to relieve human suffering on this planet?
If you have any information about what God will is, please share it. But I am not convinced that he wants it public. You know why? Because it's all there, in front of everyone.
SM had already said EVERYTHING about it. The rest is inspiration. And God will gladly give it to anyone who humbly asks. And now, you have even more information because I have also given you valuable insight. If you put it all together, you'll have a TPU up and running in no time flat. Then you save the world with it.
Please don't curse men because you don't know it all. But please consider blessing God for what you already know.
Giantkiller, up to now, I have never ended a post with "God Bless". It is Jason who does it, bless be his heart! But maybe I should from now on...
God Bless (you and your lineage)!
Regards,
Jacob
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Hi Guys and Gals if there are any here....lol interested of course what us men folk are doing.
I've been puzzled by the first prototype for awhile now, I've already mentioned some things about lc circuits and i think this is where we should be heading, this is quote from Steven marks:- very cheaply put together, theres no mass circuitry its just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
Ok i've been adding things up here, ive seen a video of borderlands science, i think there called who made Tesla's wireless power transmitter, truly unbelievable, what if sm has made the same thing but in toroidal format, that is the coil wrappings arent all tightly wound together, one set of coils is and another isnt, which im assuming, sorry for my lack of coil knowledge, if you have coils not wound completely together and have a gap, this would make the coil act as a capacitor? right, again getting back to lc tank cct.
Look at sm's first video again, please correct me if im wrong, it looks like he has 2 segments of coils on each ring, but the coils don't seem to be wound close together, i know its hard to see, but i can tell that it isnt wound tightly,in part anyway I'm referring to the white insulated bailing wire.
Cheers,
Dom ;D
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Indeed, there is an IC in the control circuit, but it is not involved in rotating the field.
What IC is that? On what is it involved?
Fine tuning the control frequencies.
Why don't you explore this avenue as we know for sure that this is how it works. Then, when you hit on the effect, you'll have plenty of time to figure it out.
What effect is that?
Harvesting much more current from the collector than what you would expect to be there.
Magnetic resonance.
How can it be attained?
By rotating a magnetic field radially within the space of the collector coils at a rotational frequency that depends on the collector diameter.
God Bless!
Jacob
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Hello giantkiller,
You bring up an interesting point here. Are you suggesting that God's intends to use this technology to save the world. Or that he wants it made public to relieve human suffering on this planet?
If you have any information about what God will is, please share it. But I am not convinced that he wants it public. You know why? Because it's all there, in front of everyone.
SM had already said EVERYTHING about it. The rest is inspiration. And God will gladly give it to anyone who humbly asks. And now, you have even more information because I have also given you valuable insight. If you put it all together, you'll have a TPU up and running in no time flat. Then you save the world with it.
Please don't curse men because you don't know it all. But please consider blessing God for what you already know.
Giantkiller, up to now, I have never ended a post with "God Bless". It is Jason who does it, bless be his heart! But maybe I should from now on...
God Bless (you and your lineage)!
Regards,
Jacob
@Jacob, sorry about the name slippage.
Good men can do great things when great men allow good men to flourish.
There has been one intention made throughout this thread and that is 'We want this to happen'.
Some posters here have made it known that this can be a great and wonderful thing. But like anything, it can be used for evil. That is always obvious. I don't want to be great or famous. By impacting the current world infrustructure in a positive way, poverty and sickness can chipped away at. Our free will for good or evil. Doing nothing is of no gain.
To know the mind of God is use our free will for good purposes. Works without faith is dead.
On the development side:
These little gems enable the developer to measure the distance the magnetic field is from the source and the frequency.
http://catalog.sensing.honeywell.com/vsg_compare.asp?FAM=solidstateSG&ITEMLIST=873042,873057 (http://catalog.sensing.honeywell.com/vsg_compare.asp?FAM=solidstateSG&ITEMLIST=873042,873057)
Hint: If you need parts and want them for free, then google them, find the company and submit a request for samples. I have gotten tons of parts this way. The companies are glad to help. Previously Marco had told a spare parts dealer what he needed a ig-coil for. The guy's eyes lit up and handed over the part for free. This works alot with a good presentation. People are always willing to help for a good cause.
--giantkiller, sometimes the giant is within...
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Again Guys lets focus and throw away any books we may have learnt, from Steven Marks first video, I keep going back to, because I believe thats where we should be heading:-
these are conversion devices and not free energy devices, they take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inheritant frequency, which basically tuned into that and ah, take the energy that is readily available from the earths magnetic field and produce electricity from that.
again very cheaply put together, theres no mass circuitry its just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
God Bless
Dom :D
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Harvesting much more current from the collector than what you would expect to be there.
I would like to know how that could be made?
By rotating a magnetic field radially within the space of the collector coils at a rotational frequency that depends on the collector diameter.
I have rotated a neo magnet over my coil with zero effect...
Kosh
HI,
I just rethought the specs we are working for the wavelength. When SM cut the coil in half everybody said they saw three coils. What if the freqs depend in the height of the device. Meaning that the quarter wave length would fall on the collector that sits between the two transmitting coils, top and bottom. This distance, which is much smaller the diam, would account for the higher freqs suspected in some posts. This would be a new finding since the height has not been talked about before or somehow missed? But I don't want to start a mad rush in the wrong direction.
Or
I had posted an excel spreadsheet and also posted the snapshots of the sheets for a certain diam or freq.
Use the sheet to plug in your diam and you'll get a page of resultant harmonic freqs that are the quarter wave distance to the core/collector. Anyway, it's a start.
Or just tell me your diam and I'll post the results. 3,4,6 are pretty common diams.
--giantkiller
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I have rotated a neo magnet over my coil with zero effect...
Kosh
Can you please explain your setup and experiment in more details.
Jacob
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@Jacob
Why should anyone here take you seriously?
No one has to.
God Bless,
Jacob
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@Jacob, sorry about the name slippage.
Hey, don't worry! It can happen to anyone!
God bless,
Jacob
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hmmm.. jacob and SM seem to playing very similar roles ...
if i didnt know better ....
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nice save . lindsay .. whole thing could have crashed and burned .. ;)
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ps .. where did all the pages go ? .. we were getting up to 500 . have we clocked the game here ?
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dean the pages are still here, stefan just made pages longer
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Please all, can we please concentrate again on the technical site of things. Many thanks.
Kosh, your circuit is very interesting. Did you pulse all 8 coils at the same time or induvidually with a time period offset ?
How many spikes do you exactly get from each drivercoil pulse ?
Also it is interesting, that only the OFF switching of the driver pulse is producing the spikes... so what happens, if you make the duty cycle even smaller, like 2/98 % On / Off ?
If you put a load to the blue output coil, does it draw more input current ? If not, that is really a good method to violate the Lentz law ....!
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Kosh, maybe you can try your circuit with the same electronic circuit, but with a different output coil and report the difference ?
What about using instead of stranded copper wire, just normal massive copper wire or
use iron garden wire and please post again the scope shots of the output coils.
Maybe you get also much more voltage, if you have the output coil with much more turns ?
But if you could prove, that when loading the output coil with a load,does not need more input power, then it will be easy to design an overunity transformer just by scaling up this principle circuit !
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Again Guys lets focus and throw away any books we may have learnt, from Steven Marks first video, I keep going back to, because I believe thats where we should be heading:-
these are conversion devices and not free energy devices, they take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inheritant frequency, which basically tuned into that and ah, take the energy that is readily available from the earths magnetic field and produce electricity from that.
again very cheaply put together, theres no mass circuitry its just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
God Bless
Dom Cheesy
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Harvesting much more current from the collector than what you would expect to be there.
I would like to know how that could be made?
By rotating a magnetic field radially within the space of the collector coils at a rotational frequency that depends on the collector diameter.
I have rotated a neo magnet over my coil with zero effect...
Kosh
HI,
I just rethought the specs we are working for the wavelength. When SM cut the coil in half everybody said they saw three coils. What if the freqs depend in the height of the device. Meaning that the quarter wave length would fall on the collector that sits between the two transmitting coils, top and bottom. This distance, which is much smaller the diam, would account for the higher freqs suspected in some posts. This would be a new finding since the height has not been talked about before or somehow missed? But I don't want to start a mad rush in the wrong direction.
Or
I had posted an excel spreadsheet and also posted the snapshots of the sheets for a certain diam or freq.
Use the sheet to plug in your diam and you'll get a page of resultant harmonic freqs that are the quarter wave distance to the core/collector. Anyway, it's a start.
Or just tell me your diam and I'll post the results. 3,4,6 are pretty common diams.
--giantkiller
Exactly giantkiller, that what i said a few 50 posts back, there is a height difference.
@ Dave
Hi Dave,
I don't know, its what I picked up from his first video, perhaps his found something we haven't as yet. I remember you saying, that this has to come from somewhere else, either EM energy or radiant energy, I will be trying to replicate his device soon, i.e two rings with two segments on each ring which will have a space between them by 2 inches, connect them upto an inductor and place a magnet on it, sounds far fetched, but if i get even a small result, it would be something. I have to start somewhere.
Regarding all of his devices, we are missing the point that he has a space inbetween, it could be this difference that everyone here is overlooking.
cheers,
Dom :D
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Can can you post some pics with arrows point these things out? In the open view device we can see 4 bifilar coils clearly on the bottom ring only. The top ring has nothing wound on it and appears to be just part of the frame work. I popose here that this bottom ring can be seen as one layer of the larger SM device. Which means the larger one having 3 layers is just for parallel power? I looks like he has started with one layer, then another model with two, then another with three. You could probably go on. But we can see for sure that only one layer is needed.
As for the device he removed from a black case and starts with one single magnet, I cannot see anything on that one apart from a coil on top.
I always wonder that if is the earths magnetic field, it is sooo weak you can hardly even detect it. Why not use a permanent magnet for more power? This makes me think he means the schumann resonance as a natural signal generator, rather than the earths field.
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Sorry if my electronic theory on coils isnt upto scratch, the comments i made on the pic, might not be 100% right, I'm a newbie again, getting back into electronics, I'm just trying to observe the video pics, if you can correct me, i'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
Dom ;)
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oops i forgot the pic
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Dave,
I just thought of something, what if the height is what is capacitor in a tank cct, and the coils are the inductor part, when you tune these two rings to certain frequency , it will automatically oscilate....hehehe i'm probably talking out of my behinni, i just think the height has something to do with all of this.
cheers,
Domo ;D
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A clearer picture
Hi Lindsay, thats a nice pick, Man things are flying through my head about sm's device, looking at that pic you posted, theres 4 coils with magnets ontop, what if this was tuned to a certain frequency, now i wont say the earths magnetic field....lol, and then this was picked up by the bottom coils wound on the bottom ring as clearly can be seen, there might be a resonanting effect between the two rings, aka coils with magnets and this is what the bottom coils are picking up......KICKS.
I'm thinking here again about the antenna scenario, tuning in and when it is tuned in, provides power.. WOW Weeeeee
Domo ;D oh by the way thanks Marco
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Hi All,
I've been thinking along the lines of a tuning fork, you can buy these from any music shop, when you hit it in your hand, it resonates at the frequency it was made at, this is exactly along the lines of the two rings, here's pic of tuning fork, look at it and notice it is a fork, i.e TWO. Same thing as Steven Marks devices....two rings made to resonante at certain frequency, the hits are coming from the coil and magnet.
Now all I need to do is work out how to make it.
Cheers,
Dom ;D
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Yes Marco, I'm just relating it to the tuning fork concept, Im convinced of it, remember that SM says that theres a vibration in his devices, this i believe is the resonance.
were looking at IC's and things like that, but I think its even simpler than we think, it's just building it right, Someone before posted, its not the coil but the ring itself thats more critical to get right. I think Giantkiller mentioned this fact, I could be wrong, it might have been someone else, I just can't remember his name.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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Guys a thought here (more theory I know but something worth considering). I came up with this after looking at Marco's post relating to the magnetic vortexes.
My thought was to mimic the vortices on a magnet. The two control coils are a matched set (the ones without a connected signal source) while the others are the north vortices which are powered. The non connected coils are sympathetic LC circuits that produce an opposite yet weaker signal (like the magnets domains).
Regards,
Carl
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Post from Mannix with info from the Professor:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13688.html#msg13688
Kent
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In looking at the clear picture, 10in spool. SM10? It would be a plastic, Right? Pop metal or aluminum wouldn't be a good air coil. Steel, that is an RFC. We would have to hear him lay it down on something.
1 layer of coils. looks like 4, looking down through the spool you can see across another winding. All physically looks like 16g pair speaker wire, look at the one in front. Remember, he worked in audio. The coil on the right could be magnet wire, but zoom and look at the physical side pattern. It looks like the front windings. The lighting could be wrong. The one across looks the same. I would say there is another by his fingers. White leads look like they go into the windings.
Where the meter leads touch, looks like where the spool crank handle went. And underneath that one can see 2 white leads each connected to some kind of bundle. The parallel / serial connections posted earlier?
And once again, there is a lumpage inside the ring, under his thumb.
@tao, yes! a clear video would be an immense amount on formation just through things moving to change the angular perspective.
Is this a new or old picture? Is the coil(cat) finally out of the bag? Biggest question yet?
And since we see that this working device is minimal with one layer, OOOOOOwEEEEE. He did stack them then to produce more!
@everyone,
I would like to see more. I scream for more! From the post by Mannix, this proves that we are struggling unneccessarily while we learn. The answers are truly at someones disposal. Cat and mouse game i say.
I would rather work along side the inspiration than roust it out with pitch forks and torches?
Wouldn't it be great instead of competively posting small obscure findings that we be posting things like:
I got a hum so big today that is scared the cat to death. Or Holy sh*t the amperage burned a hole through the hood of my car. Or, the voltage shot up very fast and the damn thing punched a hole through my garage roof, now Norad is accusing me of a personal unlicensed missile launch threatening the very nature of world security.
NAh na, NAH na, na nah. I got purple sparks today and you only got blue. Oh man, Did ya hear what happened to --giantkiller? His truck had a green glow and he got pulled over and sent to the illegal glow jail! Well that was after Tao streaked Area 51. I heard they are still trying to catch him. Where is everybody else? On the beach making sand castles.
Could be fun...
--giantkiller, I know what I want.
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A clearer picture
Hi Lindsay,
can you please go to somebody who has a real full frame,
that means 720x576 or 720x480 video digitizer and try to digitize the
old videos in the best most possible quality?
Your old only 320x240 videograbs did not have a good quality
and you said, you hadthe originals....
So as we need your support now, please do it.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
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Guys,
while I was reading this thread awhile back, I thought of a radical new design for a coil,
now I'm not an engineer or anything, I'm just an old TV repair guy who's been in the business for 25 years, though I'm currently un-employed now. :(
I have never seen,heard or read about the kind of coil I'm about to describe (maybe because it doesn't do anything un-usual), but I figured I would throw it out there, and see what some of you think about it.
take a piece of flexible plastic tubing, and stretch it out straight....
wrap the tubing with wire from end to end...
now........ coil up the tubing !
what would be the effect of the magnetic field cutting across the adjacent coils (if any) ?
I am not sure, even though I HAVE made one, I haven't been able to pulse it, because my equipment is packed up right now.
if you want to see a picture of it, I will be happy to post it if you want, but i think you get the idea from my description .
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Hi,
So kind of like a coiled up coil! I can picture what it would look like, bit like Markovitch's later device but that uses a spiral, not a solenoid coil.
I am not sure what it may do, I will have to think about that! Probably some complex induction!
Dave.
yeah, exactly !
you could probably do it with a steel or iron core if you could bend it (carefully) lol
kind of a coil shaped like a Helix .
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my post was lost in the horrible quote i did but bassically my question is, if you have 2 coils A and B and they are resonating to create spikes, then the resulting spike resonant frequency is a harmonic of a third coil (which may be tuned to an earth frequency) which will cause a 2nd climb in amplitude. Then say that final amplitude jump is a frequency that resonates one of the original A or B's or both, it seems like this will credate a viscious cycle. sorry for the not so good description. Evan
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The tuning fork that i showed a couple of posts before, resonantes at 329.6hz, we could test this on oscilliscope.
The number is actually written on the fork itself, and is the musical letter E.
I will goto music shop today and get musical letter A, to see what the freq is and see if the spacing or the lenght of the fork makes the difference.
Again tuning into resonance freq, I think is the key here. I'll keep you guys posted on my findings.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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Kosh,
I re-did my experiement with pulsing my torrid via the control coil and observed the same results as you, a ringing waveform in the large coil. Just validating your experiement since I had also experienced this before.
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Kosh,
I have to post this seperately since the website timed out, might be due tot he size of the pix. The input frequesnct was about 200khz and the resultant ringing was close to 1.8Mhz, see pix.
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my post was lost in the horrible quote i did but bassically my question is, if you have 2 coils A and B and they are resonating to create spikes, then the resulting spike resonant frequency is a harmonic of a third coil (which may be tuned to an earth frequency) which will cause a 2nd climb in amplitude. Then say that final amplitude jump is a frequency that resonates one of the original A or B's or both, it seems like this will credate a viscious cycle. sorry for the not so good description. Evan
hi , :)
i had to read it 3 times but i think you mean,
2 coils are resonating at a frequency and the signal comming out of that is resonating with an earth frequency so the final product is the peak from 1 and 2 plus the peak from the earth so we have more than we put into.
or isnt that what you mean?
sometimes i also hava hard time expressing what i mean :)
marco.
Yes, this is what i meant, it wouldnt have to be an earth frequency neccisarily, it could be a third coil which is set to a certain frequency. Then i wonder if that 1+2+3 frequency (3 being the "earth frequency"), could be fed back into the system to somehow resonate with 1 and 2 again. then that would resonate 3 and so on, going back to the begining again except growing eachtime. is it possible to feed the 3 back in so that it resonates with the initial 1 and 2 frequecies again. Evan
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@Dave,
I started the build on the small torrid for the signal generator and ran into a snag, it seems I did not have a Germainium diode and the local radio shack doesn't carry them any longer. So it appears that I will need to wait until Monday to go out and locate some. Not many parts stores open on Sunday :D
I did snap a few pix showing the build though, I used a piece of 5/8 inch plywood cut using a hole saw (2'' dia) with a 7/8'' center hole. I wrapped it using 26 gauge magnet wire (about 11 feet of it).
I will be posting more results as I move this along.
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Hey Carl,
Nice work! Looking forward to your results.
If you cannot get OA90/91, you can try 1n4001?
What is the resonant frequency to be? If its 7.8Hz it will be many henrys or a very large cap? Or are you going for a higher frequency and supply a seperate signal with a generator for now?
Dave.
I don't know why he needs a germanium diode,
but a 1N4001 isn't the same, a 1N4001 is a silicon hi current diode and it has a higher voltage drop across it than a germanium diode does .
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@ave,
Thanks for the cudos on the work. I require a germainium since it has a very low voltage drop when detecting signals, I believe it is an IN34. I tried a standard signal diode and got something but nowhere nearly enough. The main coil was resonating around 900 hz but was jumping around a bit so I am thinking a large cap inconjunction with the small coil to get the resonant frequency lower. I am trying for 924hz for a starter then to see if I can get it down even futher to between 7 and 12 Hz.
BTW, here is a pix of the coil I am working with now.
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I require a germainium since it has a very low voltage drop when detecting signals, I believe it is an IN34. I tried a standard signal diode and got something but nowhere nearly enough.
You should try a Schottky diode like the BAT series. (BAT52, BAT65, etc...)
They have 0.2V drop.
Kosh
Kosh,
I was reading that the Schottky diodes require a bit of bias before they work properly (I may be off base on this) and I am trying to create a signal source that requires no external power this is why I am looking at a crystal radio type of design, thus the germanium since it does not require any external bias.
Do you think the Schottky would do in this situation?
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@Kosh,
But still, on the trailing edge of the square wave you get a higher amplitude on the output signal. I see that as very encouraging. what are the specs there:
collector turns , gauge, solid or stranded, length of wire.
controllers turns, gauge, solid or stranded, length of wire. And I see the winding as coming from the clockwise edge starting underneath. The way you have or the reverse? Mine are the same way as yours. What direction is true?
And I also got a collector buckle where the controllers end up at. And thanks for the 200khz. I am at the 7.xhz range and haven't noticed anything. Could your 200khz be the right freq for the gauge and turns?
Man, that is one great looking coil! I noticed that SMs are too. That is encouraging also. I would hate to have something that works be fugly.
@all coil builders...
Very, very nice work and magnificently beautiful coils!
--giantkiller
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Dr.Boren has a cogent argument that the positron is the fundamental unit of magnetic charge.
His theory thus assigns fundamentally diffrent natures to positive charge and negative charge.
In support of Dr.Boren, one should point out that the "positive" end of circuits can simply be "less negative" than the negative end.
In other words, the circuit works simply from higher accumulation of negative charges (the "negative" end) to a lesser accumulation of negative charges (the "positive" end)
Nowhere need there be positive charges (protons, positrons, etc.) to make the circuit work.
Problem with this is, that positrons are antimatter counterparts of electrons. They cannot exist in the same wire at the same time without obliterating eachother and a whole lot of mass in the direct vicinity. Therefor positrons cannot be the basic unit of magnetic charge since magnetic charge is everywhere, that would necessitate positrons being everywhere in the direct vicinity of electrons.
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To iterate on my post on tuning fork, (resonance freq) that i made on pos 261:-
check out the pdf, the frequency of tuning fork is dependant on the length, and also the spacing between the two prongs
I reckon by using this as a reference we can work out the circumference of the toroid. I havent had a chance to look on the net for tuning fork parameters. I'll look into this as well, so basically the longer the prongs the lower the frequency. 95mm length = 329.6hz and 85mm length = 440hz, you guys can buy these and see for yourselves. There cheap too.
ok working on the freq and lenght of tunning forks,:-
Music note A:-
85mm L = 440hz
Music Note E:-
95mm(L) = 329.6hz
Therefore the difference between these two are 110.4hz @ 10mm(L)
so:-
105mm(L) = 219.2hz
115mm(L) = 108.8hz
110.4hz/10mm(L) = 11.04hz, therefore:-
@ 7.28hz our length should be close to 125 mm, prob between 120 and 125mm
which is inbetween 4 and 5 inches, this is the diameter of the SM ring
I'm assuming here that the spacing will make a difference as well, but for simplistic sake we will keep that just under 2 inches.
Thats where i'll be starting anyway, now i guess I have to build a tuning cct to receive 7.28hz, or would the rings be part of that?
Cheers,
Dom :D
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuning_fork
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/music/tunfor.html
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/waves/tfl.html
This is an awesome link, once you understand this, i think SM, coil, infact i know it would become clearer, again listen to his first video that was made, and make the connection. From lesson 3:-
Lesson 3: Behavior of Sound Waves
Wave interference is the phenomenon which occurs when two waves meet while traveling along the same medium. The interference of waves causes the medium to take on a shape which results from the net effect of the two individual waves upon the particles of the medium. As mentioned in a previous unit of The Physics Classroom, if two crests having the same shape meet up with one another while traveling in opposite directions along a medium, the medium will take on the shape of a crest with twice the amplitude of the two interfering crests. This type of interference is known as constructive interference.
Dom ;D
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Post from Mannix with info from the Professor:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13688.html#msg13688
Kent
Maybe we can locate this John Sanchez and ask him questions about it ?
Or finally find a few people, who were in the other videos ?
Quote:
"With me was John Sanchez "
Who is this John Sanchez ?
Is he also from the university were
`the deceased
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
at his laboratory at the UCI campus
lived ?
Maybe someone living nearby this campus can check that out ?
Many thanks.
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I have found that the spikes at my output coil are just capacitive transfer from the control coil.
The control coils can even be left one side disconnected that the spikes remain the same.
Pulsing the control coils at 1.3MHz excites a resonance around 3x that frequency on the output coil. The power available is nothing. A 1Mohm resistor totally damped that oscillation.
So, nothing new here. We must look for something completely different...
Hmm, did you modify your control coils at all ?
only 2 windings is a bit too low I guess, so you could
not see much...I guess you would need at least 100 windings to see
something at all and over a larger surface area of the output coil.
Interestingly is your statement that all the energy
transfer is purely capacitively and that a shortout of the output coil
does not need more input power of the driver circuit.
So the next question is, how much power can you get out of the
output coil when you have optimized it and that does not reflect back onto the
needed input power...
So can Lentz law being broken with it ?
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Kosh,
I re-did my experiement with pulsing my torrid via the control coil and observed the same results as you, a ringing waveform in the large coil. Just validating your experiement since I had also experienced this before.
starcruiser,
what do you exactly show here ?
The output coil ?
At which timebase setting and is this just after the control
coil has shut off or when ?
How long was the control coil pulse ?
Thanks.
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Dear all,
I have created a page on my site which will contain any good SM details. So far it just contains the videos which you can download and keep.
More to come soon...
SM Page: http://www.ctglabs.com/stevenmark/smindex.htm
Main Page http://www.ctglabs.com
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Very nice site, I like it, hey add this video to your collection:- http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6540638039071490742&q=Electromagnetic+generator
It sounds like that guy from the elemental rods video,
I think its the same guy, by his voice.
Cheers,
Dom ;)
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New coil, same results... Have to try again with bailing wire...
Hi Kosh,
now I see, that you get about 6 Volts peek2peek output on your
output coil and the spikes now have real area under them,
so no real spikes with low energy, but real waves with
energy in them.
Is this the unloaded output coil shown ?
What about a load on the output coil ?
Can you show the difference in output scope shots with
load and w/o a load ?
Are you pulsing at the resonance frequency of the blue
output coil yet ?
What is its resonance frequency ?
Maybe put a capacitor in parallel with the output coil and
thus lower the frequency and try again.
Many thanks for your tests...
Regards, Stefan.
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Ok DAve,
Yeh theres alot of crap on the net, and its easy to make shit up. Its a real shame for people to do that, I can see no point in it, other than frustrate the people who want a better world.
Have you been reading my posts?
I believe your correct that this power source for SM device has to come from somewhere other than that we know of.
From the facts ive gathered these are the things which stand out
-2 rings
-a set of coils ...lol obviously
-magnetic field and resonance .......relate to two prong tuning fork and the fact SM devices vibrate
I've made calculation from the two tuning forks that i had, that the inner diameter should be about 125mm, for 7.8hz.
Anyway lets keep at it. Im Eager
cheers,
Dom :D
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New coil, same results... Have to try again with bailing wire...
From the picture of your setup the scope shows 5Vpp on the output of your AVR but the real voltage of the pulses across the control coils must be much less: your control coils may have about 1R resistance connected in series with 330R resistor - you get current about 15mA which gives 15mV across 1ohm control coil.
Can this be right that 15mVpp on the control coils generate 7Vpp on the collector?
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Enhanced
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"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort. They are only a means to achieve an end. The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves..."
So, what does he mean by a means to an end? That two high frequencys are used to generate a 3rd beat frequency which is much lower?
Dave.
I submit to you that the extra energy being picked up by the collector coils might not be a result of coupling, but the manifestation of another phenomena. Think about it...
Regards,
Jacob
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"The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort. They are only a means to achieve an end. The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves..."
So, what does he mean by a means to an end? That two high frequencys are used to generate a 3rd beat frequency which is much lower?
Dave.
I submit to you that the extra energy being picked up by the collector coils might not be a result of coupling, but the manifestation of another phenomena. Think about it...
Regards,
Jacob
Jacob if you have something to say, say it.
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I have just tried the same setup as before but with a sinewave input instead of a transistor and pulse.
The compass still spins with two coils and one AC signal. It will work much better with another two coils and 90 degree phase shift.
The more I think about it, it must be wired like to this to get a compass to spin. And it looks like a phase motor!
Dave.
Dave, when you get 4 spools set up, throw a speaker wire in the center, through the holes in the spools, if you have some, and see what you get out of it, if anything. Also, try DC pulses, just for grins and giggles if you get a chance.
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Some observations and thoughts so far may also be useful starting points.
From the video around minute 43-49
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=steven+mark
Some info to design by:
He measures: OD 6? ID 4? Height 2?
He mentions a gyroscopic effect. Does that mean a rotating magnetic field effect?
It appears that the larger unit is already activated inside 43-49 minute portion of the video.
Around minute 46
He picks up the unit. NOTE moves the unit 90 deg off the horizontal plane and still works without noticeable loss of power on the light bulb (light glow appears steady for that orientation)
At around minute 46:25 he mentions no moving parts just a resonant coil.
He also places the unit with the same side down as he picked it up. I followed his thumb finger as a reference while the unit was always in his left hand.
The smaller one needs a single magnet placed towards the bottom apparently at a specific area?
He flips the smaller upside down to shut it down? at the end of that part of the demonstration
Up until minute 49:30 I could not see if he turned the larger one upside down.
What might be the significance of unit orientation? And how does that relate to DCV out?
Is the collector toroid open or closed? By collector toroid I mean the one that captures and resonates the ambient energy field what ever that field might be.
What happens if the collector toroid is rectified. ?( through a diode in series or external magnet use so the filed is only allowed to spin one way?) Then when the next wve comes it gets an extra ?push? and that may also explain the reving up/down sensation?
Assuming (maybe a big assumption) that the load coil(s) are only magnetically coupled to the collector toroid and the collector toroid is rectified, would that account for the DCV out on the load coils?
Regarding frequency, he definitely mentions 7.3 Hz and also mentions again the flipping upside down effect in this video. Only 4 mins long.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark
mrd10, thx for the mechanical parallels on tuning forks. I?m also thinking along the same lines.
ctglabs nice work on the site.
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@Jacob,
Are you refering to the vector potential? Sounds more plausible than coupling with perpendicular coils...
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Dave,
My understanding is that the higher frequencies are simply used to rotate the magnetic field at just the right frequency so that the length of the collector coil(s) scanned by the rotating flux during a one second interval is a specific fractional wavelength of 7.X hz, at which point the collector somehow becomes resonant with the magnetic wave we desire to tap. And when this happens, the collector starts to do what its name implies: collecting (extra energy).
God bless,
Jacob
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@Jacob,
Are you refering to the vector potential? Sounds more plausible than coupling with perpendicular coils...
If we look at a torroidal transformer, no magnetic field exists outside the core. There is no magnetic field (B) in the region of the secondary coil. Only the Vector A potential exists outside the core and this interacts with the secondary coil. But if you have a secondary at 90 degrees inside the zero B field region, it still won't couple. It seems to obey the same law?
Dave.
Dave,
The collector must not be seen as a secondary winding. In this case, I think you have to look at it more in the context of this comment by Bill Beaty:
"Here's the interesting part. If we wish to receive power rather than signals, a critical issue arises.
Driving a tiny antenna with a large signal will create large currents and heat the antenna. Small antennas are inefficient when compared to half-wave dipoles. If we wish to maximize the virtual aperature of a really tiny antenna (e.g. make our 10KHz pie-plate coil act 10KM across,) we'll quickly be frustrated by wire heating. All the extra received energy will go into warming the copper. Possible solutions: use superconductor loops, or at low frequencies use the nearest equivalent to an AC-driven superconductor: a rotating permanent magnet or rotating capacitor plates. "
As for the field outside of the core, don't forget that this is air core. So by driving the control coils like in your video, there will be field lines in the center region of the toroid.
God bless,
Jacob
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Ok, I see what you are saying.
There is no direct coupling... It just creates a condition which allows the collector to collect energy from outside the system, but more than that, suck it in, like the imploding TV set!
Regards,
Dave.
Bingo!
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I have read some papers about a connection between gravity and the A-vector and I know that in a wound toroid core, with the magnetic field in the core, the A-vector is in the center of the ring, and that a loop of wire around the core - through the center will indicate the A-vector.
I would venture to guess that SM's device is tapping gravitational energy - hence the "upside down" issue...hmmm
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I have read some papers about a connection between gravity and the A-vector and I know that in a wound toroid core, with the magnetic field in the core, the A-vector is in the center of the ring, and that a loop of wire around the core - through the center will indicate the A-vector.
I would venture to guess that SM's device is tapping gravitational energy - hence the "upside down" issue...hmmm
Hello Jack,
Can you post a link about this?
God bless,
Jacob
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Dave,
Didn't you duplicate the Telos experiment? Wasn't part of that test a measurement with a electrostatic meter? (Maybe I'm getting you mixed up with Naudin.)
Anyway, It have been shown that the underlying vector fields of B and H (A and ?) are the "true" sources of B and H. It has also been shown that the electric vector potential (?) is the source of A and therefore B.
Can we get a quick summary on this thread to date? I don't have a month to read the entire thing and don't want to re-walk the path.
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I haven't seen this dual freq configuration posted yet.
They could be equal or different either way.
I come to this conclusion because SM had a single layer segmented coil working and I believe this is another valid configuration.
--giantkiller
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Dave,
What about longitudinal waves? (Dare I add "in a medium" to that question.)
Since when does the primary electrical field require a mass to couple to?
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Hi Dave,
I have an idea
referring to the diagram you showed me with sm's 2nd unit.
the 4 coils with magnets on it, wind iron wire in these, connect them all up to the finer wire which is wound on the bottom ring, the larger wire is the output.
Now catch is here to tune the finer wire to the 7.8hz we were talking about, like a crystal radio set.
Has anyone thought of that?
Cheers,
Dom :D
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I have read some papers about a connection between gravity and the A-vector and I know that in a wound toroid core, with the magnetic field in the core, the A-vector is in the center of the ring, and that a loop of wire around the core - through the center will indicate the A-vector.
I would venture to guess that SM's device is tapping gravitational energy - hence the "upside down" issue...hmmm
Found this site where a guy is using the A field flux to power other toroids by chaining them with thick wires. I don't know how valid it is, but it might be worth a test or two.
http://amasci.com/elect/mcoils.html
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Hi All,
@ Stefan,
Im getting hit with:-
: User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current value: 70000)
/mounted-storage/home4/sub002/sc11940-GNVW/overunity/Sources/Load.php
1962
it is becoming frustrating.
I have attached a pic of how this may work, Again, im collecting the materials together i need, then off to build it.
Oh to lindsay the clearer pic of 2nd prototype, has made me realize, anyway check pic with notes
Sincerely
Dom
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Hi All,
Does anyone know what the material of the two rings are on SM's second prototype?
Would it be soft iron?
If anyone does, I'd appreciate your help as I want to buy it, It looks about 150mm I.D to 170mm O.D
Sincerely,
Dom ;D
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Hi All,
Just found this free energy device on zpenergy.com by an anonymous poster......
Don't know if it's anything like SM's device, but might be helpful.
Regards Dutchy
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Hi Dave,
Well that drawing is literally all there is to it. There isn't any comment to it except that what's on the drawing itself.
What do you think, any chance it will work?
Robert
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yeah, and that circuit board looks like a computer monitor power supply .
that device stinks of scam ::)
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In the video he places a needle on string over the device and It moves with the magnetic field. Very strange effect if this is a fake
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OK fellas, no worries, I'm not pursuing the case version, rather SM's.
There's a place where they make transformer cores and magnets, I've sent the clear pic that lindsay sent to them,
to see what they say.
If the core is just plastic or wood even, then it would be much easier to make, A friend suggested that it might be soft iron.
Anyway I'm following it up, and on my way.
Thanks,
Dom :D
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Hi Dave,
The two coils that you have setup, could you try the same experiment, but with the coils upright, i'm thinking here that if the rings are made of magnetic material, they will travel through the ring, if we perhaps used even wire that you can buy from hardware shop and make this into a ring, and see what the effect will be on the compass. you could even put two magnets ontop of the coils to see what effect we could get. As per SM's device.
Good Work.
Dom ;)
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In looking at the clear picture, 10in spool. SM10? It would be a plastic, Right? Pop metal or aluminum wouldn't be a good air coil. Steel, that is an RFC. We would have to hear him lay it down on something.
1 layer of coils. looks like 4, looking down through the spool you can see across another winding. All physically looks like 16g pair speaker wire, look at the one in front. Remember, he worked in audio. The coil on the right could be magnet wire, but zoom and look at the physical side pattern. It looks like the front windings. The lighting could be wrong. The one across looks the same. I would say there is another by his fingers. White leads look like they go into the windings.
Where the meter leads touch, looks like where the spool crank handle went. And underneath that one can see 2 white leads each connected to some kind of bundle. The parallel / serial connections posted earlier?
And once again, there is a lumpage inside the ring, under his thumb.
@tao, yes! a clear video would be an immense amount on formation just through things moving to change the angular perspective.
Is this a new or old picture? Is the coil(cat) finally out of the bag? Biggest question yet?
And since we see that this working device is minimal with one layer, OOOOOOwEEEEE. He did stack them then to produce more!
@mrd, don't know if you saw this already. I did the best I could to rip it apart from my view.
@cliff, thanks.
--giantkiller
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Well folks the basic structure and function of my site is up and running smoothly, this forum has picked up speed over there, and it's moving along quite well. the main discussion thread is general sm-tpu discussion. There are several other threads as well relating to kicks, coils, etc. so on and so forth.
@Tao, I have reset your password to test the older user's accounts on the new forum, email me gn0stik@gn0sis.com so I can give it to you. it works fine. ;D
@ others who have been using it, I have fixed the image posting bug, the profile bug, and quote bug. All of which worked but were annoying to look at. All is well now.
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Hello all,
maybe a little help from me.
I hope you coilwinders have made your coils like Tao posted the pictures. He got this pictures from Mannix/SM.
@Dave
thanks for the wiring shematic. I have now a strong spinning magnetic field.
At low frequencies (5-10 Hz) I have on my scope pictures like J.L.Naudin in his parametric amplifiers. Also at low frequencies my power supply gets nuts. The voltage is very unstable (8-18V) because of the back EMF from the coil. Of course at higher frequencies the power supply voltage is more stable. Now I can play with frequencies.
At 8V DC on my power supply and 10 Hz from my square wave generator i have 25 Vpp on the coil that is wound all around the TPU (not collector coil). My input current from my power supply is 1,8 A.
On my radio I can clearly hear the pulsating signals (all frequencies) from the TPU all over the AM so I think I have a real good transmitter. The signal is very strong. When I shortly touch the collector coil with this 25 Vpp I have on the collector coil a really large spike. I will today play with the setup to see how to feed this 25Vpp into whatever to get something on the collector coil.
Regards
Otto
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Hi All,
I remember awhile ago, and this can be easily reproduced or replicated, If you have a home alarm system, with infrared sensors, try this, remove the cover of the infra sensor and see how far you can trigger it, I bet your bottom dollar, that it will only trigger a with your hand swaying a few inches away.
Now put the cover back on and what happens? its like a magnifying perspex/plastic, it will extend the sensor a few metres.
Now theres an anology if i ever can think of one.
we cause a rotating field with the aid of magnets = (Magnifying perspex/plastic) this field gets induced into the coil that we originally get the signal or signals from, and builds up. Once we have this rotating field with aid of magnets, were home and hosed, its as simple as that, its the kicks SM was talking about, smaller kicks being induced into bigger and bigger kicks.
All we need to do is tune the thing into a frequency, now that being schumans or earths magnetic field, or whatever you like to call it.
;D
Lets start here, i think we will be impressed on what we will find.
Dom
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Hi all
In my post I ask you a question about the smaller sm-device:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14577.html#msg14577
But nobody has answer this question, about the amount of the energy such a coil can store.
Now I do some math on this. Please take a look at it and reply if you see any mistakes.
So in theory its possible to store round about 130 Wh in this setup.
You would be able to light a bulb (180v / 100W) for round about one and a half hour.
Perhaps the sm-device is not a generator, perhaps its only very good batterie ;).
But perhaps I?m complettly wrong!! :-[
kr
2Tiger
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Hello 2tiger,
weve been making progress with this device, especially from Guys experimenting like Dave, and others. This is not a battery, it is a device which is tuned into a certain frequency and then amplified, to produce power, I don't think modern day calculations will matter here, as it delivers as much power as required, hence thats why it gets warm.
This is pretty much Teslas technology were dealing with here, remember he went against mainline science at the time, as he believed energy was all around us, all we have to do is know how to tap into it. This is what SM's device does.
Ive just been reading about crystal radio sets, there quite easy to make, note they do not require batteries to operate, they get energy from the ether. http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
Now look at his second prototype, the rings i believe are loop antenaas:-
The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.
The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies.
(*about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).
If it is required to connect the loop to a radio via its aerial input terminal then a second winding of just 1 turn of wire is wound over the main 10 turn winding. This secondary winding acts as a coupling coil that is connected to a suitable socket so that a cable can be run from the loop aerial to the radio receiver.
END,
the rings on second version i believe are no more than loop antennas which boost the signals into the 4 collector coils in side the rings, The r8ings do look plastic, so he has the coils hidden inside, and the larger coil on bottom ring is the output.
there is probably differnt ways to make this, and easier would to make a tunning cct which will accept 7.8hz, as SM mentions tuned into earths magnetic field, then magnify/induce this into collector coils which have magnets placed on them.
Once you have this understanding, its easier to start to build it, otherwise you won't know where to start.
From the data ive so far collected and watching videos again especially his first and 2nd proto, and the clear pic Lindsay sent, it all starts to fall into place, And the fact that Dave and others have done really great work with their experiments, just pieces fall into place.
KInd Rgds,
Dom ;D
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Here's the plan:-
2nd prototype, how it works:-
1) rings made of plastic, with coil wound inside the plastic to accept Long wave *about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).
read up on this link its excellent, especially on loop antennas:- http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/crystalsets1.html
2) the rings freq is tuned by cap 7.8hz and rings will resonate at earths magnetic field.
3) 4 collector coils on inside rings with magnets placed to again magnify, and these very likely wired in series as Dave has found out, will cause rotational magnetic field, within the toroid.
4) this field is induced on larger coil winding on bottom ring.
power
Thats it
Dom ;D
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I'll re-iterate further with connections, ive been thinking isolation here, like transformer
the 4 coils inside the two resonating rings are connected in series to each other, and thats it, there is no connection elsewhere, just to each other in series e.g c1----c2-----c3-----c4----back to c1
the loop antennas 2 x have these 4 coils placed inside, the induction is helped by placing the magnets on these 4 coils, think of magnet assist here. this helps in what is picked up from loop antennas into 4 coils, this gets a rotational field happening which is like jet engine, which sm mentions.
once this starts, its like starting up a generator, this in turn gets induced into larger coil, , so as you can see all coils are magnetically attached, no physical wires to each other....
brilliant
I think Tesla might be talking to my sub conscious or i have a gift....lol
Dom
;D
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here's wiring diagram
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Hi Dave,
Just reading the operation of loop antennas again:-
http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
From Url:- Ive just taken bits and pieces:-
A Loop or Frame aerial is a wonderful tool to assist longwave and mediumwave reception....
....not only will it dramatically 'boost' the signal received compared to using a portable radio's internal ferrite rod aerial ........
..... the loop will tune very sharply to the required frequency will rejecting all others........
.... The bigger the area of the loop the more signal it will collect.....
.....The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.........
END
Now this last point gets me really thinking about the function of the magnets.
I read your post again, but you've eluded me abit, anyway I just thought id post to help.
I'll have to read your post again, so to understand it better.
I'm really just going by SM's first video, its possible it could be one frequency that he is playing with, until i build the loops and stuff I wont know, but its promising.
Either way, we have some work ahead and I think we are doing quite well.
Sincerely,
Dom :D
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Dave, I forgot to mention from the loop url, this very important point:-
....The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies. .....
END
Resonate, I think this is the key, like the tuning fork:-
My Understanding:-
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/sound/u11l4b.html
The energy carried by this sound wave through the air is tuned to the frequency of the second tuning fork. Since the incoming sound waves share the same natural frequency as the second tuning fork, the tuning fork easily begins vibrating at its natural frequency. This is an example of resonance - when one object vibrating at the same natural frequency of a second object forces that second object into vibrational motion.
The result of resonance is always a large vibration. Regardless of the vibrating system, if resonance occurs, a large vibration results. This was demonstrated in class with an odd-looking mechanical system ....
Sincerely
Dom ;)
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Hi Dave,
The first video with one magnet, one that starts with chair:- http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+marks
Just reading your post again, correct me if im wrong, the loop antennas, 1 is tuned to say 5000hz and the other loop antenna
is tuned to say 5000.0078 hz when the two are put together we get the 7.8, which then resonates at that freq, this inturn is induced into the 4 coils within the ring, causing rotational magnetic field to happen.
Dave do you have any thoughts on the wiring of all these coils?
What do you think of mine?
Dom ;)
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Dave, resonance might be part of the kicks, anyway wont know until we try.
I'm trying to keep this simple for starters, If what i say don't work, go back and make slight changes and record, as you mentioned.
I think Steven would have done the same, looking for that holy grail.....lol
Sincerely, ;D
Dom
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Hello 2tiger,
weve been making progress with this device, especially from Guys experimenting like Dave, and others. This is not a battery, it is a device which is tuned into a certain frequency and then amplified, to produce power, I don't think modern day calculations will matter here, as it delivers as much power as required, hence thats why it gets warm.
This is pretty much Teslas technology were dealing with here, remember he went against mainline science at the time, as he believed energy was all around us, all we have to do is know how to tap into it. This is what SM's device does.
Ive just been reading about crystal radio sets, there quite easy to make, note they do not require batteries to operate, they get energy from the ether. http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
Now look at his second prototype, the rings i believe are loop antenaas:-
The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.
The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies.
(*about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).
If it is required to connect the loop to a radio via its aerial input terminal then a second winding of just 1 turn of wire is wound over the main 10 turn winding. This secondary winding acts as a coupling coil that is connected to a suitable socket so that a cable can be run from the loop aerial to the radio receiver.
END,
the rings on second version i believe are no more than loop antennas which boost the signals into the 4 collector coils in side the rings, The r8ings do look plastic, so he has the coils hidden inside, and the larger coil on bottom ring is the output.
there is probably differnt ways to make this, and easier would to make a tunning cct which will accept 7.8hz, as SM mentions tuned into earths magnetic field, then magnify/induce this into collector coils which have magnets placed on them.
Once you have this understanding, its easier to start to build it, otherwise you won't know where to start.
From the data ive so far collected and watching videos again especially his first and 2nd proto, and the clear pic Lindsay sent, it all starts to fall into place, And the fact that Dave and others have done really great work with their experiments, just pieces fall into place.
KInd Rgds,
Dom ;D
He used Hot Wheels track as a wire loop and trough guide! That makes it variable in size. Stinkin' genius. Thanks Dom ;)
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Hey all:
Well have been lurking in the back here for quite a while now just reading and catching up on all that has transpired. A couple of questions, a favor and then on to the bench test I did.
First I would like to know if anyone has figured out the orientation of the magnets. What pole would face the rotation.
Second the coils that are wound on the magnets of iron wire, where do they connect? If at all.
The favor is I cant seem to find the "new picture" being talked about. Could someone here tag it to an email and then I can take a go at enhancement, enlargement and lightening. Linux has a great tool for this and I have taken pictures and made posters from them with great clarity.
Now on to the bench. I was reading about the two coils in series and so wound a set of 4 200 turn coils on a 6 inch form. Then I wound a small coil paralell with a .01 cap on a 1/2X1X3 inch magnet. This was set inside the form and its output hooked to the scope. The form was driven with a sine wave gen. This would show almost a flat line until I started hitting the lower harmonics and then when I hit the resonat freq, the output would fill the scope screen. The last res freq was 29khz. Much too high but that shows the mag is definately latching these coils together. Just a coil doesnot do that.
And lastly, sore fingers and all, I could not get any bounce off the powerwire wound with smaller. I did see the signal out but not with a bunch of harmonics or such. Just a good clean signal. What did I do wrong there?
Oh well, back to the bench for some more punishment.
Sugra
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In looking at the clear picture, 10in spool. SM10? It would be a plastic, Right? Pop metal or aluminum wouldn't be a good air coil. Steel, that is an RFC. We would have to hear him lay it down on something.
1 layer of coils. looks like 4, looking down through the spool you can see across another winding. All physically looks like 16g pair speaker wire, look at the one in front. Remember, he worked in audio. The coil on the right could be magnet wire, but zoom and look at the physical side pattern. It looks like the front windings. The lighting could be wrong. The one across looks the same. I would say there is another by his fingers. White leads look like they go into the windings.
Where the meter leads touch, looks like where the spool crank handle went. And underneath that one can see 2 white leads each connected to some kind of bundle. The parallel / serial connections posted earlier?
And once again, there is a lumpage inside the ring, under his thumb.
@tao, yes! a clear video would be an immense amount on formation just through things moving to change the angular perspective.
Is this a new or old picture? Is the coil(cat) finally out of the bag? Biggest question yet?
And since we see that this working device is minimal with one layer, OOOOOOwEEEEE. He did stack them then to produce more!
@mrd, don't know if you saw this already. I did the best I could to rip it apart from my view.
@cliff, thanks.
--giantkiller
From the latest picture posted by Mannix, showing SM holding the 2 toroidal stack device, here's my observations:
1) I see the two lower quadrants are wraped with orange/reddish colored wires (I like to think the rear two quadrants are wrapped as well, to maintain symetry, and I can almost see a reddish color in the darkend area)
This arrangement resembles a 4 pole motor stator(almost) which certainly can create a conventional rotating magnetic field (like in AC motors etc..) (has anybody taken an AC motor apart and powered the stator to see if it experiences a gyroscopic effect when moved about in the air?)
2) This device has a visible toroidal ring (1 inch diameter perhaps) placed on top, right where the probe is inserted, but I don't see wires wraped around it like in other configurations. So it looks like ferrite toroids is a common theme in all the devices(perhaps not the smalles one seen on the glass top table)
3) Then there's a small gray bundle towards the rear top, some white wires go into it. Also some boxes inserved between the toroids, and lets not forget the legs underneath (to keep the device off the table so it will cool better perhaps?)
Conclusion:
This device is quite complicated but certainly shoes some interesting clues. We need more info/diagram from SM/Mannix to really understand it. When it comes to electric/magnetic systems, pictures certainly don't tell the whole story. Its not like showing somebody an airplane, where the main function of flight and lift is apparent from the shape. So without further direction its just speculation and a waste of time.
YO! I posted the similar findings before. Nothing terribly complex. I just couldn't see the collector. You need to go back read all the posts.
Nobody is wasting their time here. WE and I repeat, WE have treaded the beat of pictorial analysis to coil winding techniques to frequencies to experimentation to quantifiable results to theory and fact finding to calculations to radio and antennae sciences. Back in April Elvis mentioned loop antennaes. I had requested radio experts way back in September when I read in here the collector was a loop antennae. Other posters have have gone thru this long arduous path also. And we are gaining ground!
So let me end with to counteract the naysaying.
Tao said before the year is up, marco said very soon. And I know the other experimenters are on this same rain of thought.
Hurray to those of us who have stuck it out and are not leaving till the MIB uncoil the devices from our dead bodies.
We got the gifts and we are using them.
Damn, I did this again without my cheerleader's uniform on!
Congrats so far, gentlemen.
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He used Hot Wheels track as a wire loop and trough guide! That makes it variable in size. Stinkin' genius. Thanks Dom ;)
Hi,
Did I miss something? Please explain!
Thanks,
Dave.
Hi,
you didn't miss anything. I was just commenting on his creative use of the perfect materials at hand. It is not that what was built there was viariable, but that with HotWheels track the loops can be made easily and any size. and with the track connectors it is easy to complete the loop.
Cheap prototype and production techiques are very valuable.
--giantkiller
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Request For Comment...
--giantkiller
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ctglabs, that was directed at somebody else and they know who they are. (Sorry I don't know how you guys do the quoting boxes)
@EMdevices: just use the quote link at the top right corner of each post.
Jacob
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aha, nice!,
thank you Jacob
You're quite welcome!
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We all know the breaking magnet experiment. The lines of flux can also be looked at like bar magnets.
When they are broken or shileded then reconnected, enegry is emmitted. The rotating controller allows this to happen. Thus, there is the ac component. I did not say free energy. But the field is strong and we are small. The collector is in the right place to pickup on that interference. The axis of rotation is planet side to outer space.
The rotation arrows were not circular but eliptical denoting an angular displacement to the viewer.
I included the storm the show that fractal theory works in numerous areas where the parent force is in control. The child patterns are indicative of the greater force.
--giantkiller
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ctglabs, that was directed at somebody else and they know who they are. (Sorry I don't know how you guys do the quoting boxes)
@EMdevices: just use the quote link at the top right corner of each post.
Jacob
aha, nice!,
thank you Jacob
Hmm must be me his having ago at, well, I like to think this is simple, the black box he has with magnets ontop, have coils in em, what else could they have?
the dim toroid you mention, Emdevices, a friend told me and it does look like it, where he has his probes in, is a speaker connector, so its easier for him to put the probes in.
I know we don't know for sure how this all works, but pics do help, the combination of certain technologies help to make device work. Sum of the parts make it happen.
The loop antenna dramatically enhances reception, The experiments Dave has done with coils recently show he can make a rotating field happen, the way a tunning fork works on resonant frequency, if you make something resonante, the vibration or end product is large, Ive done my research, its time to put it into practice, things have already been mentioned like loop antennas, its just when i read on crystal radios and the link i provided should be read, they mentioned the ether.
obsevation can be a very powerful thing.
Cheers,
Mrd
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marco,
at the expense of everyones time, pleaase tell us what you are doing!
lol,keepup the good work
sam
im blowing things up at a rate that i dont have anything to blow up by next week.
marco
;D
ZANG!
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@everyone,
I am curious as to the specs of the experimentors coils.
Is it the low # of loops in the collector, is the low #of turns or high # of turns in the controllers that give the best result?
What are the winding directions? I have the suspicion of the control turns that they should be wound in the direction as the right thumb points and the direction fingers go. And the turns proceeding ccw along the collector then pulsing the 4 segments ccw? I haven't heard of any directions yet. That is what mine are. The control logic runs at 5v while the coils are driven with 12v. I see no results yet. I did notice that we are back to 5khz idea though.
@dave or marco,
any view on my mag field drawing? My idea is that at any power rating there would be an effect. The higher the power the better or just the right freq.
--giantkiller
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I had my real chance for power.
My neighbor left 7 monitors out for trash pickup. I only took 1.
But I have more coming from work.
I am collecting flybacks and jug coils.
And going back to the posts about the imploding tv? That sounds a bit like a hutchison effect. Metal things flying into the tv.
--giantkiller
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Just a tid bit, but every time I hear some one talk of the rotating magnetic field inside the torid, I think "Poly phase".
Now just for a moment, lets step into circuit board design of today. If you look at the new high speed designs, you will see trace lines that are doubling back on them selves. That is due to the need to slow down the signal a small bit so it will arrive at the correct time. Hence, a small delay line.
With that in mind, now connect the four coils around the torid in a series. When a signal is applied to the start coil in the string, it will have a small delay due to the length of wire in the coil times 4. The rising and falling sine wave will cause a reversing magnetic field in the coils. Even tho the field doesnt really revolve it acts on the surrounding to make it appear that way. That is how an ac motor works. The rotor is trying to chase this pattern but never quite catchs it.
The magnets form a set field. The rotating field will try and interupt this even if only slightly. Still is a varying magnetic field. The larger the collector, the more it will produce output.
The part that still eludes me is how to pump the input signal without using any input power.
Off on another line, the crystal radio can be made to power a speaker simply by inserting a battery in line with one side of the output to the phones and observing correct polarity. A crystal reciever tuned to 245mhz will be a direct reciever of solar activity. Use that to power a local osc set to what ever freq you need. More than one could supply the two freqs that are mentioned. Solar power can be quite high depending on exact freq and activity.
I will appologize for my rablings but this thing is giving me a case of the red ass. It should not be this hard to figure out. Yet, it illudes us all to date.
I just purchased a 5000ft roll of #20 wire so I guess on with the winding.
Thanks for the pic, I will see what all I can do with it. If necessary I will contact my friend in canada and see if he can help as well.
later
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@Sugra,
Welcome aboard. Sounds like you have a fresh approach. I hope you calculate before you wind. Just a caution. Tired fingers and all.
Most of us have coils and they all work somehow. I have tried using hall effect sensors with my coils and the coils don't produce enough field. I keep at it.
--giantkiller
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Otto
Can you post a photo or a circuit diagram of your coil? What size wire, number of turns?
Thanks,
Tishatang
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Hi,
With the figures you quote this is very possible. However that inductance is extremely high surely it would weigh more than you could lift. Also it has no iron core so the permeability will be that of air?
For 16cm radius torroid of 5000 turns, with coil diameter of 2cm, gives us 12.566cm^2 area. With a rel perm of k=150, the inductance is 5,890mH.
So, the charge will disipate in about 1 second? Or Perhaps I am talking poo! Looking forward to you reply!
This could explain the DC output, but not this RF flame discharge?
Hi Dave
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Take a look on the upper right side of my "math-sheet". There you can see that in that example IS an iron core. It could be made of isolated bailing wire, to prevent high eddy currents.
The other mistake you made the area of a circle of 2 cm diameter has a radius of 1 cm.
As long the area is calculated A=r^2 x PI the area will be => 1x1xPI= 3,1415 cm^2 and not 12,566cm^2.
And now to the perm.-factor. I don?t know where you get this factor k=150.
In my books I found ?=?0 x ?r and for ?r of "pure" iron there is a factor between 25000 and 250000. Well I realy don?t know what pure iron is, so I suggested for my calculation a ?r-factor of 150000.
Nevertheless I found myself a mistake in my calcs. The cross-sectional area of the coil is 0,00031415 m^2 and not 0,031415 m^2.
And refering to the weight I change a few values.
So the new setup of the NRJ-coil is:
-diameter of the torroid 16 cm
-diameter of the coil 4 cm -> 0,04 m
-windings of copperwire 2500 , diameter -> 1mm
-resistance of the coil 6,89 Ohm with preresistance of 28 Ohm -> total 34,89 Ohm
-charging current 5,1 A / 180V
-charging time 9,5 min
-energy stored 14,51 Wh
-coil weight 2,1 kg without the weight of the iron core
With this values you can light the bulb 180V/100W only 8 min instead of 1 and a half as I calcuted before.
If we found out what kind of "pure"-iron has a perm of 250000 we will get nearly 10 Wh more.
In the german version of Wikipedia they show a kind of "amorph metal" with a perm of up to 500000!! See the link:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeabilit%C3%A4tszahl
This "amorph metal" will increase the stored power up to 48 Wh. This means you can power the bulb for nearly half an hour.
Perhaps this is not the secret of the sm device, but with that amount of energy stored in the coil, it could be able to power one of your gravitywaves-recievers and resonant-circuits-ideas.
kr
2Tiger
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Hello all,
@Tishatang
I have 3 collector coils with 1000 (yes, one thousend) wires each and arround each collector coil 180+180+180+140 turns (this 140 turns should be also 180, ok I know) 0,22 mm wire (680 turns)of the control coils. Around all of this coils I have wound another coil with a few hundred (I forgot to count) turns 1mm wire diameter. The best thing is when I pulse my upper and bottom control coils the signal is 20Vpp on the 1mm wire coil but when I pulse the top and the, so to say, center coil, the voltage on the 1mm coil is much lower and that means for me that the diameter of the TPU AND the height are very important. On the collector coils I have, I think, 10Vpp. The freqency on the collector coils is different than that one of the control coils.
The control coils are connected as Dave showed us for the spining magnetic field and I think this is ok but I have to try to pulse the control coils in ways. 90? phase shift or one coil in one direction the other in reverse and such things.
Please look at Tesla patent no. 390 721. Very good drawings for us.
Regards
Otto
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Hi All,
Again read this url:-
http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
From Url:- Ive just taken bits and pieces, note important bits in bold:-
....The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of
7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at
different frequencies. .....
A Loop or Frame aerial is a wonderful tool to assist longwave and mediumwave reception....
....not only will it dramatically 'boost' the signal received compared to using a portable radio's
internal ferrite rod aerial ........
..... the loop will tune very sharply to the required frequency will rejecting all others........
.... The bigger the area of the loop the more signal it will collect.....
.....The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to
the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.........
Now I'm convinced that this is a very important part of SM's device, all SM's devices are based on two ring aka LOOPS
Tune this to 7.8hz earths magnetic field......has anyone tried this yet?
Sincerely,
Dom
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Heheheh a friend posted this to me:-
c=f x lambda
where c = speed of light . ie 3 x 10^8 m/sec
and f = 7.23 Hz
then what is lambda
I.e. 300000000 / 7.23 = 41493775.933609958506224066390041 meter Antenna!
41493775 meter Antenna!
Ok so then that second unit his got, maybe just solid plastic, and the fine coils on the bottom part are two tuned cct's
one is 5000hz and the other is 5000.0078hz, and when these two are combined we hit the earths magnetic fields resonante frequency.
This then is induced like a vortex within the other coils setup inside the rings.
The magnets are to a means to an end
Well I guess thats a starting point
Sincerely,
Dom
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Phew Dave,
You seem to know your stuff. I understand what you are saying about the collector coils in the centre, but what if we look at this at a different angle for the moment, now sorry for my simplistic view.
The collector coils in the inside of the rings are just there to create this jet turbine or rotational field, like what you have already demonstrated, i.e we are not concerned with that part being the tuned cct, the tuned cct is the finer windings that you can see on the bottom ring, at the bottom. I.e the coils are just there to amplify and increase the turbine effect, this then is induced into the larger winding you see just above the finer winding coils, once this all starts off it's like feeding itself.
Lets keep each system seperate and they have all seperate functions, but when used together, its like a generator,
I guess the easy way to look at it, is hydro electricity, the energy were tapping into is the running water which drives the turbine. The turbine is just one part of the system, then that turbine drives a shaft which is connected to a generator which creates electricity.
So the sum of all the parts makes it happen.
Does this make sense?
Dom
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Thats cool Dave,
I wasn't implying you knew everything, I think the best way to learn at this stage is to build on what we know so far.
1)theres a tuned cct
2)theres a rotational field
I could concentrate on rotational field for the moment, and see what happens when i inject say 7.8hz into it, like you setup with the 2 coils, I just need to wind four of them and connect them up in series, then wind another coil and place it near by to see if we get induction happening into that coil, if we do, we have part of the puzzle figured out.
The other part is the tuned cct.
To cap on what you just said, It's like my friend was trying to explain to me tonight, and i put an anology to it, its like waves in an ocean and you get hit by 7.x waves every second.
I'm sure we will findout more as time goes on. It's a learning experience
Dom ;D
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Need to add this bit of info on my last bench test.
I was using a 6" form with 4 200 turn coils of #22 wire. If considering a clock, at 3 6 9 12. The coils are in series starting at 6---12---8---3 with the sig gen pos on 3. I had a small coil around a magnet with a cap across it. Unable to read the value of the cap sadly but think its 222k at 250v.
Anyhow, as I reached its resonance point at around 190k, I could see in the scope output that the signal being passed to the coil on the mag was being modulated by "something". I turned off the light and everything that I could think of in the vacintiy. This had no effect to the signal. The modulation was very strong too. Almost like an audio signal impressed on a carrier wave. At one point I was reading 4 volts and I did check the scope setting to make sure what I was seeing. My gen is 1.5v p/p as the input directly to the coils.
I would like to hear ideas here???? I am at a loss with this one. I could put a green led on the output and get it to light up fairly good. Is there a tv channel around 190k, as I do have line of sight with big towers that have am/fm/tv on them.
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<Now I'm convinced that this is a very important part of SM's device, all SM's devices are based on two ring aka LOOPS
Tune this to 7.8hz earths magnetic field......has anyone tried this yet?
Sincerely,
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Dom, you cannot tune to a magnetic field, because it is just that, only a field with no electric component. You can only tune into an EM field, as in radio waves. A magnetic field has no oscillation.
There are a few other misconceptions going on here as well. The Shuman resonance is a mechanical resonance, not an electromagnetic resonance, not a radio wave. It is the literal physical vibration of the planet at 7.8 hertz, just like the physical ringing of a bell, and through coupling with the atmosphere, a sound pressure wave at the same frequency.
There is no RF wave at this frequency, at least not for our purposes here, there is extremely little energy in an RF wave of this length anyway, certainly not enough to even begin to power our circuit and be amplified through some self powering mechinism.
What is important is what is striking the bell and making it ring. In the case of the Shuman resonance it is lightning striking the earth, and specifically the RF produced by those strikes. A direct correspondence would be that it is exactly like applying an oscillating current to a quartz crystal which sets it to physically vibrating. We don't care too much about the frequency of the physical vibration of the Shuman resonance for our purposes here, but what produces it is very important. What IS key is the predominant frequency of the RF waves produced by the several hundred lightning strikes that hit the earth every minute. Tune your coil to that frequency, use Bill Beaty's ideas to make that coil act like one much bigger than it is, then apply that output to the input coil of your crystal radio tuning coil, which couples to the tuned LC output coil, but as you want the power and not the signal, which of course the shouldn't be any in a naturaly produced wave, just rectifiy it and go about trying to use it to power the overall circuit. I believe the RF frequency produced by lightning is in the 100 to 500 KHtz range, so your coils shoud be tuned somewhere in this range. One must be very careful though to be sure he is not tuning to some man made frequency in this range, that would be cheating. An interesting study would be to research exactly what frequencies in this range ARE being used for various communications purposes and if there exists any specific gaps that are not being used because of natural RF interference, as if so, that natural interference would be EXACTLY what we DO want to tune to. You know, just as an aside, ideally it would be better to tune a coil to a very high RF frequency, as the higher the frequency, the more energy it contains.
Anyone know how to tune a coil to receive gamma rays? Seems that would be mighty difficult as at gamma frequency the wavelength is smaller than individual atoms, but it would be ideal as there is a wallowping amount of power there and a profound density of them and they bombard us from every direction, and are not attenuated much by the atmosphere, or even the planet itself.
Other things to consider:
What do we know from Tesla about releasing the radiant energy? One, it takes a DC pulse, AC won't work, so any energy derivied from RF or AC must be rectified to DC.
Two, that the DC pulse must be repeated very, very fast in order to produce radiant energy. If I recall correctly this must be on the order of 200 MHz just to begin producing radiant which would be hot radiant like in SM's device, and over 400 MHz to produce cold radiant as in Gray's device.
Three, in order to produce Tesla's radiant you need a very high voltage, somewhere between 500,000 and a million volts.
So, if you are trying to produce a radiant with anything less than the above parameters, it ain't going to happen.
Just some things to think about.
Yours,
Don
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Hi Don,
Nice post! Regarding the voltages required for radiant discharge. I know Tesla used very high voltages, but Ed Gray's system is only 5kV? Is it not more to do with the speed, etc of the DC pulse? As long as there is a spark of course?
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Yes, and from what we know about SM's device, there is also a 5Kv component in his as well.
I was just saying that Tesla himself considered these 3 criteria important. That, of course, does not mean it is neccesarily so, just that he thought it was.
I think Tesla established for certain that the first two criteria ARE absolutely neccessary, though. And I think he made it pretty clear that the difference between a hot radiant that would kill you and hit you with a palpable pressure wave even when out of range of the spark , and a cold radiant which at the right frequency could wash right over you with no ill effect were completely dependant on the frequency. He also noted that there were a whole range of different effects dependant on the specific frequency. It is a shame that there is nothing available in the literature where he notes the specifics of what EXACTLTY all the various effects were. Then again, we should count ourselves lucky that he did note the ones he did.
I also believe that this is the fundemental reason SM's device produces a hot radiant, which in turns produces a pretty conventional electric current on the output which can hurt you, and Gray's device which produces a cold radiant which produces a very unconventional output where you can plunge wire, bulb, and hand into water without ill effect, the frequency.
Then again, it may be a matter of how the fields are decoupled to release the radiant. The difference between hot and cold radiant could just be determined by whether you decouple the inductive component or whether you decouple the capacitive component of the circuit. The mechanism by which you do one or the other is not entirely clear to me, however.
I do think for the purposes of experimentation you want to begin by getting a coiled tuned to resonate with the lightning RF. When we have something producing a measurable voltage and current no matter how feeble, then we can begin playing with how he is making this wee bit of energy into something useful.
Once you do get a measurable current, you'll want to put a detector in the circuit and listen with a set of phones to make sure you are not just picking up a broadcast wave.
I still think that once you account for all of the radio traffic in the 100 hertz to 500K hertz range that any specific narrow gaps that aren't being used would be a very telltale sign that that gap not being used is what we want. The problem is figuring out what IS being used. The militaries of the planet use all manner of obscure freq's all the way down into ELF for their clanditsine purposes and for security reasons. They are not about to make these things publc knowledge. The only way to know for sure that you are picking up a natural wave is to try demodulating it, if it contains no voice or data signal, etc., then it is fair game.
So the first thing we need to do is build a conventional crystal radio that operates in this frequency range. It might take building several different ones that operate in several different ranges, like one that operates from 100k htz to 200k Htz, then one at 200k to 300k, and so on. Put a good single wire antenna and ground on them and start tuning. Note any freqs that are all carrier with no signal in each band, and the strongest one wins, it has to be the lightning RF. Once that specific freq is known we can build our loop antenna to resonate at that specific freq and only that freq. The lightning freq should stand out like a sore thumb once it is tuned in by the amount if power it produces.
Next, assuming our signal has a sufficient voltage and current to power a conventional circuit, we design a circuit that turns it into a DC pulse somewhere in the critical freq range at 5Kv. I would expect the current to be extremely small at this point. At this point you dump it into an arrangement of coils designed to extract the radiant and dump it into an adjacent coil, producing a current , which is fed back into the system, etc.
Now this could be where the power is produced, and then again maybe not. Just as in my way of thinking the radio circut is used solely to provide an initial power source for the device and nothing else, this pulsing circuit and second set of coils may serve no other purpose than to set up a rotating magnetic field and create our vortex by rotating at MHtz velocities, and it is the energy of this vortex that is picked up by our final coil, which is designed and wound so as to intersect this rotational energy.
A few more tidbits:
In the reports that have been made public that were written by those that actuallly witnessed the SM device, the weight of them has been reported to be in the ounces range for the intermediate sized units, like 12 ounces, so no metellac iron or steel cores can be in these devices.
As an iron or metellic core torroid confines the field to the interior of the torroid, and this would directly oppose the purpose of the tuned coil antenna to act like one many times bigger than its actual size, you have a second reason why it cannot be metallic.
The third reason it cannot be metallic is the ease with which he cuts the one apart on the video. I don't care what kind of blade you put in a jigsaw, nothing metallic cuts that easy.
PVC doesn't cut that easy! Whatever, it is it cuts practically like styrofoam or cork. Likewise any steel or iron windings would put up more resistence than we see here, which indicates to me only copper windings of a single layer
SM's comment about bailing wire, is I believe, a euphanism. It means something that is cobbled together with whatever parts are at hand, not that bailing wire is literally used. While that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't use it, I seriously doubt that he did in any of these devices.
Yours,
Don
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Plans for a Lightning detector:
http://www.techlib.com/electronics/lightning.html
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Lightning flashes generate a broad spectrum of radio frequencies with especially intense emissions in the VLF band. This receiver is designed to pick up a band near 300kHz which is fairly empty except for lightning static. These radio "crackles" are picked up by the antenna with the help of the 10 millihenry choke. Short antennas (short compared to the wavelength, that is) behave as though a very tiny capacitor is connected in series and this choke resonates with this capacitor allowing current to flow into the receiver.
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so we have two loops, two horizontal vortices and two vertical vortices.
In the early 1930?s in Austria, Victor Schauberger, e.g. fabricated conical pipes of special materials, which contained a corkscrew turbine. Operated by an electric motor, the spiral turbines screwed water into a vortex flow and directed the water onto a conventional water turbine coupled to a generator.
Schauberger claimed that as the water was screwed faster and faster, it suddenly began to produce enormous amounts of energy. Coupled to a dynamo, the turbine began to produce more electricity than the input motor was consuming. The system quickly went out of control as the apparatus tore itself away from its mountings and smashed itself against the ceiling.
When Schauberger experimented with air turbines, he found the same thing happened. Regardless of the medium, vortex motion seemed to generate energy, apparently out of nowhere, and also produced a powerful anti-gravity force.
John R. Searl, a British electrical engineer, had similar experiences in the beginning of the 50`s. He constructed an arrangement of spinning discs to generate and spin an electric charge. His apparatus consisted of a segmented rotor disc, which was set spinning at great speed through electromagnets at its periphery. The electromagnets, energized from the rotor, were intended to boost the electro-motive force. The generator was about one meter in diameter.
To begin with, it produced the expected electric power, but at an unexpectedly high voltage. This quickly exceeded a million volts producing a crackling sound and the smell of ozone.
In Searl?s own words: "Once the machine has passed a certain threshold of potential, the energy output exceeded the input. From then on the energy output seemed to be virtually limitless".
Then something really spectacular happened. As the generator continued to increase in potential, it lifted off the ground and broke free of its mountings and the engine. It floated in the air, all the time spinning faster and faster. The air around it glowed pink with ionization and nearby radio receivers were switched on spontaneously due to electromagnetic induction. Then the apparatus accelerated off into space and was never seen again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
An American inventor, Joseph Newman, has also found that "free energy" could be obtained from vortex motion by electromagnetic fields spinning.
Like other vortex generators, Newman?s apparatus appeared to produce energy out of nowhere ? at least from the known dimensions, yet his version did not go out of control.
Different physicists had tested his device and confirmed that the input power in the test was 7 and 14 Watts yielding efficiencies of 700% and 1400% respectively.
In 1987 Newman had his generator operating as the engine of a car built on a Porsche chassis. Started by a battery the car ran without any input of fuel. However, the American Patent Office refused to grant him a patent for his invention on the grounds that it was, to all intents and purposes, a perpetual motion machine. Consequently the commercial development of his engine was effectively blocked.
When Trombly attempted to patent his uni polar generator, the U.S. Patent Office turned him down on similar grounds. Nonetheless, the U.S. Defense authorities took a court order against him and threatened him with a 10 years imprisonment for infringing secret government research into uni-polar generators.
Similar obstacles happened to Schauberger vortex turbines. After W.W.II the Allies thoroughly discouraged him by putting him in protective custody, and destroying his apparatus and papers. The American authorities forbade him to resume his research under threat of re-arrest.
The British authorities treated Searl in much the same way.
Other similar experiments have been opposed, ignored or ridiculed by the university establishments. If being labeled as a pseudo-scientist did not stop further research, prosecution and "accidents" in the lab did the job.
Duuuuuudes! This is exactly what David Hamel reported!
http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Physics.html (http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Physics.html) See diagrams. Spinning rings.
@ marco,
I will have another gravity field to post here shortly.
-- giantkiller, on our way back home...
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Marco, it is good if the modulation is strong! What can you blow up next trying this?
Dave.
at the moment i cannot drive @ 190 khz so im seriously thinking about getting some new equipment because if this indeed is true that would certainly clear up some clouds.
marco
I would just be satisfied if you punched a hole in the clouds like david hamel did. His wife gave hime hell for blowing a hole thru the barn roof.
--giantkiller, some where over the rainbow and beyond!
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Well things sure are hot and flying here.
I want to post a picture showing the toroidial field generator in place when working.
It is pretty simple and I wish any feedback. This is not an idea. This is how it sits in the earth's field.
Naturally, the collector would be tuned. I am guessing to some component of the interference of the rotating field against the earth's field?
Anyway, this is where we are right now. Freqs, tunings, and close.
--giantkiller, one step over the line.
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Hey I had forgotten about David Hamel!
Last I saw, was photos of his 40 foot saucer he was building, but I heard nothing more. A french guy was funding him I think, he had warehouse or hanger to build it in with plenty of space. I met this guy via forum on antigravity, who lived about 3 miles from me. He went on a 3 month trip round america and canada and spoke with David over phone. When he arrived over there he was to stay with David and bring back nice photos. I never heard from this guy again, I don't know what happened. This was a few years ago now, I just remembered.
Dave.
I posted David Hamel many, many pages back.
This what started my quest 12 years ago. Then I saw the Philadelphia experiment, then I saw Hutchison videos, then I saw two Tesla movies, and when I saw the NASA alien contact videos. I realized it was all FREQUENCIES!. My head has been reeling ever since. This is the Holy Grail of mankind's next great step. First there was the mechanical age, then the heat age, then the solid state age, and now we enter the magnetic field age.
Any arguments? Let's make history. I have so many applications for the next step. I got everything from science fiction and I want to use that as a spring board for development.
--giantkiller, and after this?
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strange things....
i was working on one too.
i compared the two and they fittet exactly :-\
I am not too sure where the energy or fields go. But this application is right on target.
I posted this before but got shot down. Thanks, marco for the affirmation and glad I was able to affirm others.
Ive seen that picture in my head for months now. I just wanted everybody to be on board. Our talents are down many paths of this project. This cohesive, symbiosis is really Yahweh cool.
--giantkiller, one small step for us and one big freakin' leap for all.
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@marco,
No brother, it is not strange. There are some simple things that just fit right in. I've constantly posted hoping somebody would catch on to the other facets. Just you wait and see. There will be others parallels happening.
Let me tell everybody what my first adventure will be. I want to build a huge levitating multifloor platform that houses a de-salination plant, cryogenic human storage, bio and hydroponic farms, atmospheric infusment, huge ionic cleaners, mass inventory transport for food and medicine. This megalith will know no political borders. Since this produces its own food, I am not reporting to anybody. I am actually going to steal the name "Time - Life" for this project. I firmly believe this technology will produce this outcome. Anybody else is welcome to join if they haven't come up their own ideas yet. But is just a matter of time before they do themselves.
--giantkiller, for such a time as this...
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His wife gave hime hell for blowing a hole thru the barn roof.
--giantkiller, some where over the rainbow and beyond!
Over here they are also complaining that i am the one thats being sucked up by this device...
i dont know how long i can hang on.
last week i thought i would be better off just forgetting the whole thing and go on and live my life with the people around me....
but hey i found some faith in tao's words this wont go over a year :)
marco
Hey, I got better than you! Not only did I read Tao's but after that you told me. Thanks many.
What is interesting is that the different posters get involved in the parts of project that aren't sovled at the right time. Right now the focus is the antennae and resonancy there. As the bigger problems are broken down into their components parts, those who know jump in. Tesla might have had all the answers but he didn't have the team work we got here. As for my controller, I am going to change out the caps on my clocks and speed them up 1k to 800k. I have the power at 12v @ 6amps. But like you, I have other issues. I am putting a new kitchen floor, to sell my house in a bad market as my employment situation downsizes. But hey. It's all good!
--giantkiller, to find the light, lest we cower in darkness.
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We've all seen stories of obsession. Obviously, we are all here.
If you have seen the movie the Butterfly Effect then you'll know where I am coming from.
I am referencing the part where the main character has two robotic arms due to upper bilateral amputation. Both arms are gone from an explosion. He is trying to eat a cookie and when he grabs it, it crumbles out of his grippers. I solved that problem by giving the industry variable, speed variable grip. The user could pick up grapes, potatoe chips, hold their child's hand. I did it on my family's kitchen table. We did not eat off it or for that matter in the kitchen for the year that it took. I was totally obsessed. Parts all over. After that I designed a robot leg that made it to testing on a human. After that I developed a amputee socket fit testing device. After that I designed a Muscular atrophy elimination product. After that I designed and developed the 'Doomrod'. ETC, ETC, ETC. Some of you reading this might interpret this a vain bragging. And believe me I am proud. But I am talking about blind ambition. Obsession is the emotional tool for that. I let massive amounts of other things slip through my fingers. I still design and develop, but now I mandate balance for myself. Or at least am aware of others needs and try to balance. What ever is in your mind becomes your god.
Careful where you tread. I thought I was becoming successful.
--giantkiller, back then my shoes were too small.
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SO,,,
Sam, how long has the window been broken? :D
--giantkiller, be gentle, but let no one stand in thy way.
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@marco,
What can I say dude?
the nasa antennae paper are the instructions.
Blows my tie back!
Cliff almost spilled his drink, but I wet my pants before I got drunk in celebration. Doesn't take much to make me happy. I will split this up further in the rmorning.
This is incredible because it also lines up with the pictures we came up with and everything all of us have been bantering about!
Didn't take long, did it?
I hope this gives clearer mathmatics to the antennae builders.
--giantkiller, if you don't dream, you're only sleeping. ;)
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have a look here:
http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/polar/polar_pwi_descs.html
Polar Sound Descriptions :o
Mike
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Dom, you cannot tune to a magnetic field, because it is just that, only a field with no electric component. You can only tune into an EM field, as in radio waves. A magnetic field has no oscillation.
this is true, there is no 7.8 hz magnetic field
There are a few other misconceptions going on here as well. The Shuman resonance is a mechanical resonance, not an electromagnetic resonance, not a radio wave. It is the literal physical vibration of the planet at 7.8 hertz, just like the physical ringing of a bell, and through coupling with the atmosphere, a sound pressure wave at the same frequency.
There is no RF wave at this frequency, at least not for our purposes here, there is extremely little energy in an RF wave of this length anyway, certainly not enough to even begin to power our circuit and be amplified through some self powering mechinism.
This is completely wrong. The 7.8hz Schumann is in FACT an ELF EM frequency that travels through the space between the earth's surface and the ionisphere, which acts as a waveguide and resonant cavity. The earth is not the "bell" as you suggest, but the atmosphere is. However, it is excited, or 'rung', by lightning.
There are in fact schumann receivers that you can build.. see www.vlf.it for the plans, I think.
You are correct however, it doesn't carry much power. But it might be enough to start an oscillation with the right setup.
Other things to consider:
What do we know from Tesla about releasing the radiant energy? One, it takes a DC pulse, AC won't work, so any energy derivied from RF or AC must be rectified to DC.
Two, that the DC pulse must be repeated very, very fast in order to produce radiant energy. If I recall correctly this must be on the order of 200 MHz just to begin producing radiant which would be hot radiant like in SM's device, and over 400 MHz to produce cold radiant as in Gray's device.
This is all good. But the next part....
Three, in order to produce Tesla's radiant you need a very high voltage, somewhere between 500,000 and a million volts.
So, if you are trying to produce a radiant with anything less than the above parameters, it ain't going to happen.
The most noticeable effects of radiant are produced at the high voltages that Tesla experimented with, yes, however, there is no evidence that the effect is completely gone at lower voltages. In fact there is more evidence, albeit circumstancial, that says that it does exist at lower voltages. The experiments of Gray for example did not use voltages anywhere near what Tesla used, yet there were strong indications of radiant energy involved. Neither did the devices of TH Moray.
Just some things to think about.
Yours,
Don
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Well I finally got a math handle on Torroids, the last mistake fixed was the dumbest as you wrap 25 wraps on a collecter core , measure the capacitance of it and divide by 25, (capacitance to low to measure 1 wrap) this is wrong because there are 24 spaces between 25 wraps. Anyway Steven was right I do not know the correct way to build a TPU yet and at that point I was still unready. Now I think I am ready to reread and build. I would like to draw your attention to the picture of the TPU with the cutaway. The cores control windings are for all purposes and effects symetric. The top core and the bottom core are in the exact same relationship with the outer shell or global windings. It would make sense then that these are in either series or parallel with each other. Both will react the same to the outermost windings and the center core. Steven said not interleaved. The center core has the same relationship with both the other 2 cores and the outer windings. One possibility I will try is the top and bottom coils are to be in parallel. I have not yet seen a way to series these to uninterlayed. I feel many posts are lost as I have found references by way of quotes that point to posts that do not exist. Also I have not been able to find anything about bifiler windings, were did that idea come from?
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it can be done with 1000 turns.
a coil antenna which uses negative resistance and negative inductance causes the antenna circuit to act as a magnetic dipole field.
significant reduction in the cilinder coil area as well as increased sensitivity could be realized.
this method and apparatus could miniaturize the size of the sensor coil to a couple of inches.
this use allows the coil to act as an atom with increased capture cross section, in which the incomming plane wave will bend toward the much smaller coil, allowing the circuit to absorb energy from a large portion of the plane wave.
Good god!!
Almost spilled my drink!
Searched negative inductance antenna magnetic dipole
http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws5.htm
http://www.unusualresearch.com/Sutton/sutton.htm
but this **NASA** paper blows me away!!
?planetary exploration, communication, wireless transmission of power, or even a
?free? energy source.?
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20040001419_2003137974.pdf
way to go marco!!
Cliff,
yes that surprised me also :)
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Hehehehe you guys make me laugh, at least while we try and build, there's humor, anyway im the simple guy again, and i asked the simple question about , if i were able to tune into 7.8hz, and then i was told by a friend and yourselves that this would require a larger, or a very large antenna, I guess my first step in all of this is to build cystal radio to get an idea what frequencies i can pick up, perhaps build one with fine copper wire, with 1000 turns. Then again this might be going in the wrong direction, and SM's device would be working on two freq of 1:-5khz and the other 5.0078khz, Actually thats what i want to ask you guys, the finer coil windings on second proto, this is on the bottom ring, would something like that give us 5khz?
Dom
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there are all kind of ways the 7.8 hz can come in.
it can even depend on "the space between the collectors"
Hi Marco,
What's that program your using? The collector coils, so were on the same page, would that be the coils where he has the magnets on? The coils we can't actually see because they are obscured in the second proto?
Perhaps by placing the magnets on those collector coils if thats what were refering to. I just want to make sure that the collector coils in our case are the ones that will cause that magnetic rotational field.
@Dave, sorry to hear about your relationships gone bad, I hope that wasnt entirely because your obsessed with free energy. I think about Teslas life, I don't think he would have had a relationship either, or i could be wrong.
His fascination with electricity never gave him the time for such things, what about Steven marks, I wonder what he sacrificed, me I'm happily married and have a supportive wife,...hhehehehe that thinks im crazy doing this, but she doesnt stop me, because i told her i wanted to dedicate at least one night a week for building and experimenting, or vice versa, I don't want to ask you why you went to prison, only if you feel free to.....hope it wasnt a really bad thing that you did.
Dom
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Shit Dave, I dread that happening, I guess what doesn't kill you in the end, makes you stronger.
I hope you didn't put that asshole in a coma or something, shit I don'tm know if its worth it.
But when it comes to family, I undestand, I guess its hard to not help them, when they are in trouble, anyway I don't want to ask anymore, Just hope your life gets much better from here on, I consider people here like my friends, I know i don't know you all personally, but i want to try and contribute to whats happening here. I believe this is the future, and like now when i watch starwars I can say, its not all Bull and this guy George Lucas was onto something....hehehehe even whether he knew it or not, at least he had the vision, then again maybe he knows something we all don't.....lol.
I hope for you and many here that we get results, I dont want to give up at all, I consider this forum the backbone of this device.
So without further ado, I wanted to ask you a question, if you don't mind answering:-
When you were testing the rotational field effect with two coils, did you place magnets near or ontop/different positions on those coils to see if the compass spun faster or slower?
I was looking at the clear pic of 2nd device again, and i noticed on bottom of the bottom ring that it looks like he has 2 sets of coils wound one ontop of the other, and this perhaps is his tuned cct, Im thinking two things here:-
#That were dealing with 3 seperate subsystems:- 1)tunning cct 2) collector coils amplify what gets collected
3) the large diam coil, just above the finer wound coil on the ring is the output.
#Or the whole thing is an antenna and the end result is this rotational field, because the whole thing when wound alltogether, resonates at 7.8hz
I just keep looking at all the angles of second proto, and it looks so damn simple, and yet im amazed at the power he is getting from it, like Marco mentioned, there might be different ways to make this resonate at that 7.8hz frequency
I hope im making myself clear, maybe by asking the simple questions , we could answer the harder ones.
Dom
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Oops sorry dave you did mention the asshole got free, just you got in the shit because of him.....
Thats farked.
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Hello all,
excuse me for this post but I have something important about the rotational magnteic field:
Dave showed us how to get a rotational magnetic field. Two coils...
With this setup my TPU consumed fron my power supply at 8V 1,6-1,8A. Too much.
Yesterday I said that you should look at Tesla patent no. 390 721. This is the right setup beacuse I pulse now a much longer coil and of course the resistance is bigger and the current I need dropped to 0,4 A.
Of course I have a rotation on my magnetic needle...
Regards
Otto
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Ah so your at work right now...hhehehehehehe thats why you respond so quickly, man do you have msn or something like that, even skype?
Yeh this device has been nagging at me also, maybe we should start simple like and try and build like the first ones he has.
I was going to start winding 4 seperate coils, I bought about .5 kilogram of fine stuff alittle while ago, its very fine, about .25mm....hehehe made in the UK, and i bought same role weight but in 1.5mm which of course is thicker.
Then ive got smaller reels with all sorts of sizes.
When you get the chance, and i know how you feel, because im in the same boat and i can't stop thinking about this device, To try magnets, im curious about this because i'm thinking here that the magnets may help in increasing the vortex speed, hence the compasses rotation. If this is so, it may be the seperate subsystem method he is using, and perhaps those two rings have coils wrapped in them to increase the intensity of the signals, and the finer stuff is the tuned cct.
I keep thinking what he says about the kicks, many small kicks make one huge kick, or was this quote made by someone else.
At least we know the shape, and can see how it looks generally, its just working out what and how he has done it.
Dom
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Hi Dave,
No I haven't as yet, just been thinking alot. I just dropped off with another project...torbays replication, if you do google video search on it, theres a video ive done. This to me is the way to go.
I will definitely upload anything i find and do to this site and yours, just let me know how and I will do it.
@when you say longer coil, do you mean more coil than was on Daves spool, Daves spools look like he had heaps
Do you have a picture, this would clear it up.
Thanks
Dom
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Helo,
@Dave
google "USPTO" > patents > search> patent number search> 390721
it works. When you see the drawings I think you will start thinking about this business with our TPUs because I now know how to connect all the wires that are going out of my TPU.
I can only say that the signals are wonderfull!!
Otto
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Helo,
@Dave
google "USPTO" > patents > search> patent number search> 390721
it works. When you see the drawings I think you will start thinking about this business with our TPUs because I now know how to connect all the wires that are going out of my TPU.
I can only say that the signals are wonderfull!!
Otto
Hi Otto,
Do you have a set of magnets? can you place them in different postions to see if the signal gets bigger , and if current draw gets smaller, also see if the roation of the compass goes faster.
@Dave were you responding to me about the coils? I'm new to this different types of coils, i'll have to check on net what the different types are. Anyway i'll be back later on to check on the posts.
Cheers,
Dom
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Helo,
@Dave
google "USPTO" > patents > search> patent number search> 390721
it works. When you see the drawings I think you will start thinking about this business with our TPUs because I now know how to connect all the wires that are going out of my TPU.
I can only say that the signals are wonderfull!!
Otto
Otto,
do you mean this patent ?
http://v3.espacenet.com/textdraw?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US390721&F=0&QPN=US390721
Regards, Stefan.
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Hello,
@mrd10
yes, I tried with magnets but so far no results but I tried something else.
I like the "Good night story" very, very much. For myself the key for the operation of the TPU is in this story. You only have to reed "between the lines".
A few days ago I tried to make my setup of the TPU like in this story and I get such results that I never expected. My output voltage is "something" and I tried to measure the frequency but i couldnt. Then i realized it is DC with a lot of everything like SM said. Of course I havent lit any light bulb. Not yet!
Otto
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@hartiberlin
yes, look only at the exiter coil and the transformer coil.
The exiter coil loosk like my control coil and this is ok. What I will try is to feed the signal from this transformer coil (my 1mm coil wrapped all over all coils) to my collector coils. I see this transformer coils as outputs. I know I will see a little spectacl.
@Dave
I did not measure anything. In this moment the coils are not in any angle. Of course I will try that. Weekend is coming and I have a lot to do with my TPU.
While I was connecting the wires like in this patent I saw my magnetic needle begins slowly to rotate. There was nothing else connected to the TPU!!
Otto
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@Dave,
yes. Sorry guys no photos because I bougt a scope and, sorry to say, no money. No need for circuit diagrams because in the patent you have is all what you need. Please, when we one day finish our TPU and the setup is different then in this patent dont blame me. Im only trying to help and for ME this patent looks promising.
Otto
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@Dave
yes, yes I could clearly see the needle was slowly spinning. Thats not a fake. Really, Im not a lyer. I dont not why but it is so.
Otto
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@Dave
yes I confirm, no input at all, just the coils and my needle is spinning slowly. Of course money in this case is not important.
For me its a good hobby and if I can help the world to be a little better then its great!
Otto
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@Dave
I have only connected only the exiter (control) coils. 2 of them. No fase shifting in this moment. The kicks are great. The frequencies are low from 2- 50 Hz, I think so and from 50kHz up. At this frequencies is the best signal and the lowest amperes. I didnt measure the frequencies yet but I will. Input from power supply is 8V/400mA and from fignal generator 4V in mA.
Otto
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Dave,
sorry. When I was connecting the wires on the collector coils there was NO INPUT at all and as I said the magnetic needle was slowly spinning!!
Dont worry I think you understand me well. Again: NO INPUT, needle SLOWLY SPINNING!!
Otto
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Otto,
congratulations for finding
a selfrunning wave in your unit without any
external power input.
Please draw a circuit diagram,
in which ou show, what you connected as the needle
was spining without power input.
Or take scope pics and post them.
YOu can already get a cheap USB webcam for your PC for 10 US$, that would be okay,
or 5 MegaPixel cams for 49 US$ or something like this from Ebay.
Many thanks for your hard work.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hello,
I will try my best to show you what Im doing. Dont worry you all will be informed. Weekends I dont post so we meet us at Monday.
Otto
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Thats good news Otto, so we have to wait till monday....damn.....hehehehehee
Just looking at that tesla patent, It looks to me that the 4 coils are connected in series, and they maybe picking up, what might be earths magnetic field.....hmmmm i wonder, connect a tuned cct to this and we should get more of this power, and probably connect the magnets to do what...hehehehehe amplify maybe...oh boy my head is starting to spin.
Otto if you have a chance to post are all 4 coild connected in series?
Thanks,
Dom
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@ mrd10
my coils are connected exactly like in this patent. Again, I will not say thats it but I like this configuration because I finally know what I have to do!!
For myself the weekend is for working on my TPU. I will only have time to eat a little and all the time I will work on this monster. As I said earlier, we all will have success!!
Otto
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Hi Otto, I already tried a patent search, but you need quicktime to view the patent. I do not have quicktime at work and the network permissions prevent me from installing software unless you are an admin, etc. So will look it up when I get home.
Dave.
http://project-ufo.com/tesla/00390721.pdf (http://project-ufo.com/tesla/00390721.pdf)
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Ok Otto,
Is it like the pic i drew? Your referring to the top toroid in the patent?
I drew the connections out of the top one, I can see that they are not connected in series
Thank you Again
Dom
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Sorry i meant they are in series but in this format
1 is connected to 3
3 is connected to 4
4 is connected to 2
Dave see if you can draw the same, from what i'm seeing.
Dom
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Shit could this be timing like pistons in a car....i better let Otto answer to make sure that he and i are talking about same toroid. I.e the one at the top of the diagram, thats connected to the exciter......yes he did mention that, so it must be that one......WOW
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Ok dave , your right, I'm jumping....just have to contain my excitement.
I'm sure thats how he has connected them, I checked patent again, and it is or looks like that way.
1 to 3
3 to 4
4 to 2
maybe thats it, get the coils firing the right way and it may build up and take off.....LOL
Damn i wish i wasnt so damn excited. If this is the case, then i wonder what the magnets have to play in all this,
perhaps they are there to push it along, this oscillation, and drive this turbine, once we plug our oscillator into it,
This could be it......damn im going to watch movie to try and get my mind of this........
Dom
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Hehehe thanks Dave,
I just read your mind, it definitely is what drives our passion for this even further.
If we lick this, this will be the best thing thats happened to me, I'd be over the moon.
I noticed something to with my drawing, look at the connections and youll notice 4 and 2 are wired opposite from 1 and 3
i mean if you pass a current in the coil you have this effect n and s
so 1 and 3 are say n---s, n----s, respectively but 4 and 2 are s---n, s---n respectively
Its like an oscillation is setup in here......Again you could correct me if im of base, just noticed it.
Cheers,
Dom
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Dave, look at this
N--coil1--s s--coil2--n n--coil3--s s--coil4--n
all the poles are connected in like fashion to each other, do you remember magnets, what happens with like poles.....
This maybe the something that was nagging you and now looks like it could be answered, the poles are all repelling like a push effect, they have nowhere else to go but each other...........hell
I dont know my ac theory to well, so i could be wrong, maybe someone else on this forum can say what im thinking
Dom
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I still say that when you jackhammer the Earth's field it responds with a vengence. I.E. If you smack water too hard it becomes a solid and rings. ;D
--giantkiller. This was great to wake up to. ;)
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I still say that when you jackhammer the Earth's field it responds with a vengence. I.E. If you smack water too hard it becomes a solid and rings. ;D
--giantkiller. This was great to wake up to. ;)
Hehehehe Giantkiller, yeh it's a wonderful thing to wakeup to, thanks to Otto:-
Yes, this could make it sensitive enough to pick whatever it is in atmosphere, magnetic or otherwise, I like your jackhammer effect, explanation, i believe we may have finally hit it, Otto has provided the spark....
Its just the coils and how they interact with each other:-
these are conversion devices and not free energy devices, they take energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth, which has an inheritant frequency, which basically tuned into that and ah, take the energy that is readily available from the earths magnetic field and produce electricity from that.
again very cheaply put together, theres no mass circuitry its just knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
Bingo.............im going to wind coils tomorrow....make a start and configure as the tesla patent shows
I have to have faith, I think Otto has provided us with a valuable answer
Ive played with magnets for awhile and i can see whats happening, this maybe the kicks SM device produces because of the way the windings are configured..........bloody beautiful, I'm sorry Dave please let me go, I have to bust in joy.
@Giantkiller or anyone else, look at my drawing, couple posts back, which i did a shabby hand drawing of and see if you come up with same result, I beleive Otto has wired coils this way, as he has mentioned.
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I drew the coil connections again, with there poles
Now going to bed
happy
:D
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I drew the coil connections again, with there poles
Now going to bed
happy
:D
I connected control coils on my 15cm (6") TPU as per Tesla diagram but nothing special have happened to the compass if no power is connected. Even tried the coils up-side down (I'm in Australia), needle didn't move a bit. Tried it in the different places of the house, outside, nothing. No magic there with my coils.
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Just a quick note to all participants/readers
This thread is possibly rewriting a portion world history are we know it.
An amazing meeting of the minds ?resonating? across the globe towards a common novel goal.
Personal life experiences, human emotions, even some squabble at times, the human nature is expressed. BUT most importantly the Genius within is been discovered and released.!!!
Thank you all.
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Warms the cockles of my heart and a tear to one's eye.
Yeah, I woke up this morning also thinking about this. The main thread was 'Is there anywhere else this world wide conglomeration of this subject resides?' I thought how unique that would be if it is and totally fanatasticand odd! Finally a set of minds meet with the right subject that looks beyond the boundaries of the status quo? I am glad that I am finally not alone with my thoughts and that this could have come about from a cohesive group no matter what the differences... Thanks for bringing this to light instead of one person fighting against the tide.
--giantkiller. What are the odds... ;)
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@Dave
yes, yes I could clearly see the needle was slowly spinning. Thats not a fake. Really, Im not a lyer. I dont not why but it is so.
Otto
Let's just hope he really meant that the needle was slowly spinning, not slightly moving, since this would be entirely different.
Jacob
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You could possibly weave yourself a straight jacket?
I am reading the Tesla patent 390,721. Where was this supposed to go?
--giantkiller. Knittin' and a grinnin'
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Hmmmm. This is strange. ???
I hope Otto survives until Monday.
Such ground-breaking experiments, with the changing of world history in the balance, and Otto will not have time to post until Monday.
Maybe someone should contact him over e-mail and get him to send the plans before they disappear, if you know what I mean. Why is he waiting when all he has to do is draw a pic and attach it to his message? Send it to any one of you by e-mail.
Call me cynical, but this is very strange.
Sorry, but I don't mean to be pessimistic or insultive. I am truly confused as to why Otto is doing it this way.
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Well ? I've read about the first fifty or so posts on this device.
Here are my thoughts.
When a sudden (short) DC pulse is passed into a wire you will get a radiant event as noted by Tesla. This radiant energy will move out radially from the wire in all directions thus super charging electrons. The intensity of the radiant event is proportional to the voltage pulse applied and its abruptness. However, you can use less voltage and more wire either wound as a coil or laid out in parallel. This, I believe, is what Mr. Mark was talking about. The thing is, the radiant event is lost if it is commingled with current flow. John Bedini noted this as did Telsa. John's device cancels out the current induction using bucking fields in coils. In other words, a DC pulse is applied to one winding to create the radiant event which then tries to induce a current in another winding, but that current is then pumped into the base of transistor through a sensor winding which then energizes a bucking coil that cancels out the magnetic field that is created by the first coil. In other words, only a small amount of current is allowed to flow in your radiant energy collector winding by induction. John is in fact invented radiant distillation process, where most of the radiant energy is allowed to get through, but very little current.
I think what Mr. Marks device does is kick out a radiant pulse which then energizes collector coils that then start to resonate at their (two) preferred frequencies. There are at least two frequencies that create a beat frequency which rotates around the toroid. Mr Mark's controller is designed in such a way so as to stay off the exact critical frequency so it won't run away.
I think to capture a radiant event you must try and avoid educing current flow in your secondary collector windings by the primary (Tesla's air core transformers did this). From what I understand I think Mr Mark does this by winding the radiant windings in a toroid but then winds the other coils at ninety degrees around the toroid windings. This would avoid inducing too much of a current flow in the secondary windings thus leaving these winding to soak up whatever they can in radiant energy. When the system is tuned to the cosmic radiant beat frequency, and is in sink with it, you then get a synergistic effect. Henry Morey tuned his system to this beat frequency using multiple stage radiant amplifiers. The system would start to amplify the oscillations until they reached an amplitude that was above a predetermined floor. Anything above that ?floor? was used to run a load. Mr Mark's device may work on this same principle.
Anyway, that's my four cents.
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Hi Gaspo,
Do you have pics of how yours is wired up? I'm in Australia also.
I'm just going back through posts, from Otto:-
yes, look only at the exiter coil and the transformer coil.
The exiter coil loosk like my control coil and this is ok. What I will try is to feed the signal from this transformer coil (my 1mm coil wrapped all over all coils) to my collector coils. I see this transformer coils as outputs. I know I will see a little spectacl.
The exiter coil to me looks like a small generator/motor
I have only connected only the exiter (control) coils. 2 of them. No fase shifting in this moment. The kicks are great. The frequencies are low from 2- 50 Hz, I think so and from 50kHz up. At this frequencies is the best signal and the lowest amperes. I didnt measure the frequencies yet but I will. Input from power supply is 8V/400mA and from fignal generator 4V in mA.
Again The exiter coil to me looks like a small generator/motor, but Otto mentions his connected ctrl coils to it.
sorry. When I was connecting the wires on the collector coils there was NO INPUT at all and as I said the magnetic needle was slowly spinning!!
Dont worry I think you understand me well. Again: NO INPUT, needle SLOWLY SPINNING!!
I guess we will have to findout what the exciter coils look like, perhaps he has like a crystal radio setup and this is the input to the one i drew.
END
Also Perhaps Otto connected the wires together, i.e the ones that look like transformer
The transformer and large looking tansformer at the top of the page are connected the same way, just that the transformer, looks like it has two sets of coils, theres finer one on bottom and what looks like a larger diam coil around it.
Again i guess we need pics and that way we can have some direction.
Dom
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@All,
Thanks for the replies.
I see in the patent 390,721 that in the transformer part he, again has opposing coils end to end and drive them in pairs across from each other. Well if we use DC pulses the BEMF from the first pair will be pushed/added with the second growing field. and them on to the next pulse. Is this thinking wrong? I am working on a graphic avi to show this.
--giantkiller. Sometimes simplicity is just too open for stupidity.
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Hi Dave,
Could you try something, do you have a function generator handy? If so could you try plugging this into your current setup and see if you can get compass spinning as it is?
My feeling on this is that Otto has some sort of coil plugged into the toroid, and this maybe picking something up and feeding it into the toroid.
Dom
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Hi Dave, Dom,
I hate to task anybody but,
I am looking at the diagram of patent 390,721. It looks pretty obvious but is everything 180d?
Thanks,
--giantkiller
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::)
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inertial effects due to "flow" through center of toriod not because of rotating magnetic field
Inertia is a property of the gravito-magnetic vector potential.
BTW - Tesla used a commutator to switch the coils on and off and and iron core.
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Shumann frequencies carry a magnetic componet not that I think it's relavent to the circuit. I think I'll try some fine strand 4 guage machine wire made by Lincoln arc welding. Maybe if we keep an inventory of materials in use in another topic heading we can create ideas and find out what doesn't work. Edison SAID " I'm getting closer to finding the solution, I now now several ways not to do it. There is an army of us we can get to a solution quicker than 1 can I think. The heaviest Litz wire I could find was 16 guage an is prone to heat failure so I believe litz wire is unusable. The TPU (Made incorrectly) I just tested was showing 304.02 spikes but any load (60 watt light bulb) and it would drop under 2 volts. My fingers are sore and I know I'm not alone, I start unwrapping and try again wondering how many of you other guys can no longer feel the keyboard.
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Hi Dave, Dom,
I hate to task anybody but,
I am looking at the diagram of patent 390,721. It looks pretty obvious but is everything 180d?
Thanks,
--giantkiller
Hi GK,
Yep they sure are, and there respective poles are the same, i.e s---n n---s s---n n---s s---n, I don't know what the outcome would be, but my guess with the coils excited someway, it might work as SM's device does. Dave is probably doing something right now, and i'm hoping we will see something.
1)stick a function gen in and see if compass still rotates,
2) then build some tuned cct and see what effect that has
Of course Otto is hard at work, so hopefully we will see some very nice results soon.
Perhaps i all of this , its like what SM says, its just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other.
Dom
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I can't find a compass that's not oil filled. Where are you guys getting yours?
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well, you can try sporting goods stores or you can get a cheap one at an auto supply store .
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Hi all,
Can hardly wait til Monday. This is exciting!
I am thinking the magnet doesn't come into play until the freq is in the 180k range. Those who have a coil setup, what if each of the 4 coils was bridged with a trimmer cap so that each would have a self resonance of 180k hertz? Then maybe a magnet would do its magic?
In regards to bifilar windings, I read somewhere that the same amount of wire wound bifilar would have 50% more inductance.
Just other variables to try.
Tishatang
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Hi Guys,
I've got a 583 page pdf on teslas patents and other pdfs as well
Goto www.mininova.org and do a search for tesla and youll get ton of stuff, this is of course for educational purposes only.
Sincerely,
Dom :D
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here's a nice pdf which is small in size, note the 583 pdf is 521megs, ive just posted a small pdf on teslas work, the larger pdf contains much much more, and has the wiring diagram of that patent, that were using.
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Guys I sugest you d/l the huge pdf, it has alot of his work in there and explanation,
I was just reading it, Tesla mentions that he placed metal filings on paper, over the transformer and notcied a whirl pool effect, he also lifted this off the transformer and then noticed the filings wanted to fly off.
Good idea to findout what effect we get with our experiments, by using metal filings on paper.
I'll read more later and get back to you on what i find.
Looks very interesting indeed
Sincerely,
Dom
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Hey everybody,
I have dug into this patent 390721 pretty deep. And thanks to emdevices, MRd, dave, jackfrost and others for the answers.
I honed in on the the transformer part and it is very bizarre.
Pic attached and stats. Web link is http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf)
K = p1 large wire, large turns output
k1 = p large wire, large turns output
m = n1 fine wire, many turns
m1 = n fine wire, many turns
The output coils are:
The K pair, each are wound sequentially in the same direction around. Serially.
The k1 pair, each are wound sequentially in the same direction around. serially.
@mrd
The input coils are:
wound in pairs opposite each other and each pair is cross coupled so you have n and s switching side to side and top to bottom. Instead of circular! Is Tesla hiding something here? Experiments will have to be made!
He also stated he prefers to drive them at very high speeds. This looks a Tesla coil powered in reverse. If you drive the smaller wire, higher density coils with high freq then that will compensate for the lower amount of windings on the output, right? But the Nx configuration is totally batty. But powered hard or fast enough wouldn't that cause vibration?
And the core looks like it is made up of strands. And yes Dom, very much SM coils! And per his quote 'Some in parallel and some in series'. More like a hint to a puzzle than what I had previously thought. And why shouldn't it be. The guy is ellusive. A game player, no? And on that note: after my last Eflame to the readers, Mannix included, we get an astonishingly clear picture of SM from Mannix. After 9 months? Twisty...
What if patent 390721 does work normally and is a diversion from what the transformer really does?
Our lives today run on only a potion of Tesla's ideas. But all of his ideas work!
--giantkiller. When will the cat catch the mouse? :'(
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Hey everybody,
I have dug into this patent 390721 pretty deep. And thanks to emdevices, MRd, dave, jackfrost and others for the answers.
I honed in on the the transformer part and it is very bizarre.
Pic attached and stats. Web link is http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf)
K = p1 large wire, large turns output
k1 = p large wire, large turns output
m = n1 fine wire, many turns
m1 = n fine wire, many turns
The output coils are:
The K pair, each are wound sequentially in the same direction around. Serially.
The k1 pair, each are wound sequentially in the same direction around. serially.
@mrd
The input coils are:
wound in pairs opposite each other and each pair is cross coupled so you have n and s switching side to side and top to bottom. Instead of circular! Is Tesla hiding something here? Experiments will have to be made!
He also stated he prefers to drive them at very high speeds. This looks a Tesla coil powered in reverse. If you drive the smaller wire, higher density coils with high freq then that will compensate for the lower amount of windings on the output, right? But the Nx configuration is totally batty. But powered hard or fast enough wouldn't that cause vibration?
And the core looks like it is made up of strands. And yes Dom, very much SM coils! And per his quote 'Some in parallel and some in series'. More like a hint to a puzzle than what I had previously thought. And why shouldn't it be. The guy is ellusive. A game player, no? And on that note: after my last Eflame to the readers, Mannix included, we get an astonishingly clear picture of SM from Mannix. After 9 months? Twisty...
What if patent 390721 does work normally and is a diversion from what the transformer really does?
Our lives today run on only a potion of Tesla's ideas. But all of his ideas work!
--giantkiller. When will the cat catch the mouse? :'(
Hi GK,
I saved the 721 patent as jpg format from that huge pdf i got, its in 4 parts, I will have to go read it myself. Just one quick question GK, what,s those rails hanging of the smaller transformer on the bottom, they got circles in the middle of the tracks
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Hi all,
Here is a link to a Moray speech. A good read!
Gives hints how radiant energy works, spilling over to next stage, and makes note of backsurge of capacitors. This was also referenced by Aspden in one of my earlier posts.
http://merlib.org/node/1673
The gems are scattered thruout that apply to our search here.
Tishatang
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@mrd
Those are two rails of light bulbs in parallel with a motor. The patent states that either can be run. See what I mean? It is almost childlike. Using a patent to retell something already done. Except the configuration of the transformer. That is the only odd thing. But I will say this that this same configuration of 3 stages of coils is in the Tesla museum in Belgrade. Only the coil configurations are straight forward. Well, from what I could see in the movie.
-giantkiller. There is a mystery afoot!
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Hi Lindsay,
You are absolutely right. The inner coils are the part of the control unit that help the other coils to collect. Does it mean vortex? Maybe, but not convinced. The absence of such control unit in some (not all) other torroidal power units in the videos makes me think that the idea is simpler. When I said ?rotating? field, I actually meant standard rotating field, like in the electrical motor. I didn?t mean vortex. Stefan reminded me that it might me a vortex. Agree with Stefan. But I don?t think the idea of the vortex is used. Even if I am wrong about the vortex I fully agree that the vortex can actually multiply the ?kicks? under some conditions.
Regards.
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Hey Guys,
The bottom one that Otto was referring to (transformer), try wiring it this way and feed a signal in both.....
Oh also check out the rotating metal egg on youtube, at the Tesla Muesem:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brNBVDCeECg&mode=related&search=
notice the 4 connections to the right.
Dom
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Guys the rotating metal egg, I dont think they are increasing the voltage, it might be winding up
hence like SM's device.
Dom ;)
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Dave, no make them inputs, go back to SM's second prototype
look at the finer winding on bottom ring, notice one winding ontop of the other, two inputs
and the larger coil wound just above collects the energy produced.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Hi Dave,
No im talking about the second video to open rings, it's the clear pic Lindsay mannix posted a while ago.
You have your coils , could you try it?
That's if your not at work. See the egg did it for me, because if there not winding that thing up and it takes off like that.....
WOWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I'm going to google tesla egg to see if there's any notes about it.
Dom
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Hi Dave,
But what if, pump two different frequencies in, or same, and they increase, like jet turbine as per SM's first device.
For people who have coils, If you could try it, and see what the effect is?
Otto said just follow the Tesla patent, so I have, but i don't have coils yet.
I did say i was going to start today, but I spent it with the family.
I read in that same patent something interesting, concerning the load, something that it matched the generators output or something like that, because of the way the transformers worked.
This could be it Dave, I can't see how many other ways to do it, unless its that 10% that got away.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Dave, google this in:--Tesla's egg, it was a great demonstration that he used:-
http://www.mdc.hr/tehnicki/en/07-velikani/07-velikani-1.htm
http://www.yurope.com/org/tesla/5e.htm
I'm trying to find more, but i think this is it, I just have a good feeling about it.
look at the connections on device and look at my last drawing showing the connections
I just get a good feeling about it.
Sincerely,
Dom :D
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Diodes are usually a uniform tube size. This is shaped like some of the old style resistors. That would make it LRC then and that spells resonate to me.
I will have to work one more night, then I will be replicating the modulating output signal I received at 190K. Going to try and inject that into an audio amp and see if its is anything recognizable.
All sure is shaping up now, The chase is on.
sugra
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Guy’s
Sorry for only butting in know, I have been following your post for some time but with very little experience in electronics and electrical I rather leave it to the people in the know.
I have a very keen interest in OU and free energy devices !
I have enlarged the photo posted and made it lighter. With 3 attempts to post it I gave up. If you guys need it lets make a plan to get it to you.
This is where my thinking comes in. I spotted this same some time ago, when going the photo’s stills of the video’s. Though came to mind that it is not a diode or resistor on top of the caps, could it be a resonator, 2 of them thus the 2 frequencies thus 2 switches. The caps are charged via the coils, this intern keeps the resonator at the required frequencies, which keeps the coils resonating. SM did mention about switching the two frequencies, maybe on and off. The pot I rather think is a small variable cap, like in a crystal radio, helping to tune the device. I think there is more parallels to this device and the crystal radio than we think.
Please keep up this excellent work.
Virus
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Guy's
Quick summary on gun diodes.
A GUNN DIODE RELAXATION OSCILLATOR
http://www.intusoft.com/nlhtm/nl52.htm#GUNNDIODE (http://www.intusoft.com/nlhtm/nl52.htm#GUNNDIODE)
Transferred Electron Devices (TEDs), widely know as Gunn diodes, are gallium arsenide (GaAs) or indium phosphide (InP) devices which are capable of converting direct current (DC) power into radio frequency (RF) power when they are coupled to the appropriate resonator. Typical applications for Gunn diode oscillators include local oscillators, voltage controlled oscillators (VCOs), radar and communication transmitters, Doppler motion detectors, intrusion alarms, police radar detectors, smart munitions, and Automotive Forward Looking Radars (AFLRs).
Lets remember what seems obvious in not always the obvious.
Dave, I have mailed you the photo’s ?
Virus
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Dave
Seams like this is going to be a hell of a learning curve. Will you guys please excuse my ignorance, but some one have said earlier, the more eyes the better.
In the centre section, front and aft of the black box, with the small coils on top. The two white cylindrical objects, seem to be old type capacitor (the waxy type) that one could find in old valve radios.
Could these maybe connected in a way with the other caps to start and maintain an oscillation.
Lets not forget all the smaller coils in the video’s also had a square like lump on them, that can hide a lot.
Virus
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hey guys,
i don't know what everyone else is seeing, but the big thing to me is i see, two coils wraped at twelve turns apiece at a center of 4'oclock and 8'oclock, and a fat coil wraped at a center of 12'oclock. with a lot of little white wires in the middle! am i just crazy or does somebody else see a different picture. there is no telling to lengths the MIB will go to BUT!
lol
sam
Supersam
You are right about the coils, there are 4 coils, 6 o’clock coil the wire’s are lighter reddish colour, the 3 o’clock and 9 o’clock coils are of a darker reddish color. The 12 o’clock coil is not visible but on Photo tx15 if you zoom in and follow the bottom curve around towards SM's trousers and his hand you will see a lump and then the curve continues, that I assume is the 12 o clock coil = the lump on the curve.
Virus
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What the hell ever happened to Tao?
He's just vanished, his emails are bouncing, and he completely incommunicado.
Anyone know what's going on with him?
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no virus,
i don't think you get what i am saying. I ONLY SEE THREE COILS!
lol
sam
supersam
Don't think it will take much to convince you, that is a wire between SM's thumb and finger?
Virus
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Right, there is four coils on the open TPU. If you watch and pause you can SEE IT. I have provided it here for you. It looks like they are all bifilar, but in any case, there are 4.
Dave
What program do you use to grab the video pictures, or how do you do it?
What is bifilar? and the purpose ?
Virus
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Right, there is four coils on the open TPU. If you watch and pause you can SEE IT. I have provided it here for you. It looks like they are all bifilar, but in any case, there are 4.
Thanks Dave for compiling this info.
So how do you think this open TPU is working now ?
Are the 2 magnets he inserted in attarction mode N-S or S-N direction,
so the electrons in the wire can run in circles ?
Are the control coils the red fine wire coils or
the bigger 8 to 10 windings coils around them ?
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Hi guys,
The pics are very revealing. I took off on the path of the Tesla patent 390721 transformer, the odd windings. I mad an html sequence. It is animated to show the fow cycles. My intent was to the NS pairs facing the sam way as it rotates. The opposing poles of the next charge cycle repel the field of the previous charge cycle. Could this be the build up?
--giantkiller. Fun with Flash 8. :D
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In the stevenew.mp4 video at 7:42:13 he puts his hand on the black box as he states "this is a solid state device, no moving parts"
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Well Christmas time is always nuts around here, our group just got a new member, he only speaks German, he just moved here his name is Clausenburger. So I am trying to teach english and learn german. I was more than invited, more or less drafted to look at a boo-boo from a group in Tennessee. They were trying to make ground penatrating radar and made this bidirectional death ray thing. But what actually put me out of business right now is the TPU blew up my function generator. Because of my wife blowing a wad on the grand daughters I can't blow money on getting me up and running again for the moment so I thought this is a good time to discribe what I think the directions on building TPU are as we don't seem to be exchanging ideas and only saying we are unsure. I took the directions as There are 3 collectors, they can be 1 parallel with 2 wound in series 2 parallel with one wound in series. Now I take that to mean the torriodal type wraps. But in case I was wrong (This is what blew my function generator) I tried taking 4 gauge thin multistrand cores 16 1/2" long and a flat copper strip. and tried putting them in 2 parallel one series by soldering them this way,
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and wrapping the collector control sections on and then wrapping them around a 5 1/8' plastic form I made from a thin plastic strip 1 1/2 X 17 1/2" Electric taping the overlapping 1 1/8 inch. Makes a short hollow tube. Then the outside wraps. I don't really think this is right but I had to try it to be sure. I got some type of high voltage crack out of it so now I'm still not sure I can rule this out. I actually took the directions to mean the control wraps on the collecter would be put in the series parallel araingment. We have to try every thing though huh.
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Hi raburgeson,
Could you take a pic of your tpu and just put arrows showing how you designed it, I can't work out the drawing.
@Dave,
Good idea about going through all the videos again to give us clues, this is vital i think and may provide the answer.
@GK,
Nice graphics on TPU operation, regarding the Tesla patent 390 721.
@Coil builders out there, has anyone tried putting two sinewaves into the drawing I made of the coils?, thats this one:-
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The video is stomped exactly the same way NASA does it (or who ever it is that does films and hands them to NASA for release any way). You make a generic smuge and create a small layer then you paste it onto every frame of the video. the smuge stays the same shape and in the relative same spot on the object. This helps fool the person viewing it that the image is simply very low quality. This has been airbrushed. I cleaned it a bit so you can see it better. Notice the base is smuged with the same technique. A part of 1 wire was all I could retreave on a first look at it, I'll work on it tonight. Probably will not come up with anything this type of buggery is easy to detect but, it does hide info well.
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@GK,
Nice graphics on TPU operation, regarding the Tesla patent 390 721.
@Coil builders out there, has anyone tried putting two sinewaves into the drawing I made of the coils?, thats this one:-
Hi Dom,
The drawing you have is the output connections. What my flash file was depicting are the N/S fields and how they are arranged when the communtators conduct, which are dc pulses.
@dave, I need verification on what I showed the fields are like. Does the swf seem plausible?
Thanks.
--giantkiller.
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I will add that Steven has said that there were many different configurations and combinations of wiring that gave a result.
Has an body considered the "interactions" between the transformers on about page 3?
Is there a possibility that the out of phase transformers have an electrical property that is not normally exploited?
It is interesting that I was thinking exactly on that interaction when I read your post...
Those bifilar windings may be a combination of control AND collector coils.
That way you would have four transformers interacting together.
Does everybody understand the implications of high voltage high current and high frequency and the effect that it has on body tissue?
I did feel that effect right on my hand more than once. It hurts...badly...
Kosh
That is what I have on my Big coil. It is also iron core. I have driven it sine I got my controller fixed. I need to up the freqs on the clocks still. Probably today.
--giantkill. Honorable mentioned.
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Right, there is four coils on the open TPU. If you watch and pause you can SEE IT. I have provided it here for you. It looks like they are all bifilar, but in any case, there are 4.
Hi Dave,
this makes sense, and where he places the magnets on are his tunning cct, I believe anyway. I'm trying to understand what bifilar means, and I have been reading from this url:-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil, looks like 4 types.
So to me he is probably using parallel, since you want to increase the magnetic field, but has probably connected them as per the Tesla transformer.
This setup is very similar to his first one which shows he places a single magnet near an inductor. And a good guess is that the finer windings that are wrapped around maybe one section of the ring is where the high voltage is collected...
Hmm this does make sense, so if where he places the magnets on are resonating at 7.8hz, and he feeds this into the ring coils, and causes a rotational magnetic field where the finer windings pick up, YES THIS DOES MAKE MORE SENSE
Interesting that the bifilar coils are quite large.
I tried enhancing several images with sw called topaz, here's one i did:-
Good work Dave
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One question I have though, to anyone that can answer it,:- If I use one copper wire and just run over and start again, would this be like parallel bifilar?, example like this link shows:- http://theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/howto/windingcoils.htm
so you start from the left, coil it till you reach the right, then put fine tape over the first coiled and then run the wire back to the left and start again.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Nikola Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of 0.1 volt between turns. A similar BIFILAR coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns.
In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages the energy in the BIFILAR will be ...
50 squared / .1 squared = 2500 / .01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil
From Teslas bifilar coils patent.
The mere fact that SM turns the coil upside down to shut it down, means that when replicating it and one winding is the wrong way round or connected wrong it won’t work.
SM understood the math’s or if you like the theory around this concept, that’s why he could built then in different arrangement’s, size, etc. and they worked.
Virus
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Ok I just worked it out, my mind answered the question, just need confirmation:-
I start winding from the left to right, And when i get to the right i cut the wire, I cover that first layer with tape.
Then I start at the left again and wrap right over the first bunch, and when i reach the end, i cut the wire.
Then i connect both ends together, i.e in parallel, and wallah i have bifilar setup with just using single copper wire.
Sincerely,
Dom :D
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Intersting virus thanks.
Dom
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If you look at Tesla he clearly shows 2 coils wound within each other. Then, if so, why did SM wind the second coil over the other if it is a bifilar coil, and not with in the other coil ?
http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php (http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php)
Virus
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If you look at Tesla he clearly shows 2 coils wound within each other. Then, if so, why did SM wind the second coil over the other if it is a bifilar coil, and not with in the other coil ?
http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php (http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php)
Virus
Hi Virus,
I'm guessing here its to amplify whats being picked up, I'm assuming your talking about the fine winding over the bifilar one?
I think Dave mentioned that this is for HV, stands for high voltage, thats why we get 91 volts.
look where the connections are, they are on the side where the finer windings are.
Oh and i think i just answered my question again.
If I get two pieces of copper wire, that are of same length, and i coil em together from left to right, then connect both ends together, in parallel fashion, this would be the same as bifilar...geeze ive got that imaginarey soccer ball friend from castaway
LOL
:D
Dom
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Hi Again Virus,
Yes you are correct, I just looked at that Tesla url, THE MAN WAS A GENIOUS
Wow I never knew that. I'm new to all this coil business, but I have been picking up alot, and I must say that in the last few posts I just gained very valuable information.
I actually have seen that diagram before, but just noticed that he has connected two wires together, in parallel.
Thanks so much again.
Dom
:D
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I don't want to tear the TPU down yet so I tried to take some pics and will try to say this a different way, keep in mind I think this is a way not to do it. Picture the single black wires as the collector core wires. The bared copper is were 2 in parallel are joined to 1 in series. in the next pic the torroidal wraps were put on the cores and the white wrapped core had the trigger sections added. At the parallel series joint the collectors were taped on a plastic form. The two in parallel clockwise around the form were the outside collectors and the series 1 (counter-clockwise) made the center collector. Wire nut the parallel collector cores together with a input wire and a capacitor. Then the series end with the other leg of the cap and a input wire. Then the top collector (1 output wire) and series hook the secound and third, the third has 1 output wire. trigger wires input 1 signal and collector core another. output from collector windings.
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mrd10
If you wind a coil like on that site, you end up with an em, electronic magnet. That guy was very please with his setup (his em’s) as I recall.
Please, I am a rookie when it comes to electrical and electronics, I would say (wild guess) if you would tie up the same end you could have used a single wire instead of two. Guessing again, bifilar first coil use a X thickness wire at Y turns, the second coil would not have the same XY values, so if either coil is pulsed, you would get a reading on the other, either higher or lower,
Right guy’s ? ? ? ? ? ?
Virus
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Dave
Non-conductive you close the one end together, this way the magnetic flux cansels each other out ? ? ? ? ?
Yes?
Virus
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Dave
So we want inductive coils, cause we want to “harvest†the magnetic flux by using another coil which will induce an electric current.
Thanks for your patience.
Virus
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Hi Dave,
I drew picture again, with Tesla's 390 721 pattern as per the way Otto says his done it, plus I've taken into account what you said, regarding the 4 coils on bottom ring. The only thing I havent drawn is the tunning part where he places magnets 180 deg apart.
Oh all bifilar windings are in parallel
Cheers,
Dom
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MRD10
Take the OP connections and connect it too IP1, do the same with bifilar coil 2 or 3, wire a OP2 over them and connect it to IP2, could this then beself sustaining, when magnets are added ? ? ? ? ?
For an out put take one connection of IP1 and IP2,
WILD WILD GUESSS ! ! ! ! !
Virus
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Dave
Thanks I get about half of it, I will read it up even more, thanks.
Even J N Labs says, “Today, I think that the TEP is "a way" to achieve a good Overunity device.â€Â
I just wish I had the knowledge you guys have, for me it’s like the blind leading the blind.
Virus
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Hi Dave,
Your right, I'm just trying to understand now more about bifilar, because really I don't, so sorry about that.
I was just reading this simple experiment:- http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm
Of course I'm trying to findout more about this, so even if you drew a pic, It would make it easier to understand what your trying to convey about how SM's second device might be configured.
So bifilar really should be wound like this, as in series:-
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Hi Dave,
I guess its a start, I'm trying to get as much as i can , so i don't go into this blind.
It would make sense for SM to do it this way, I just figured from that experiment that its a very efficient way to produce magnetism.
anyway what time do you knock off, I'll come and we'll go for a couple of drinks and talk about it........LOL
Dom
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Dave
I always had a interest in electronics/electrical but never furthered it as life and the family took up a lot of time. Know looking back, I surely miss a lot.
I will try and keep up with you guy’s. Have a bit of a brain thing, as soon as I see like table or graphs it sort off just don’t want to cope, like a 2 minute memory thing, too much input to little draws to file all the info, must be from all the coffee over the years. This after having one of the better ones around, and I don’t mind saying so, Biggest frustration in my life.
Enough said, if you don’t mind I’ll tap yours and the likes on this form, as you said, a vast number years of joint experience on this forum.
Really thanks, (with the famous phrase on over this weekend, “Waiting for Otto†)
Virus
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MRD10
Take the OP connections and connect it too IP1, do the same with bifilar coil 2 or 3, wire a OP2 over them and connect it to IP2, could this then beself sustaining, when magnets are added ? ? ? ? ?
For an out put take one connection of IP1 and IP2,
WILD WILD GUESSS ! ! ! ! !
Virus
Hi Virus,
The best thing would be to wind some coils and experiment, who really knows.
We are all here trying to figure things out. There's a Guy in this forum, that were anxiously awaiting his results, as he has said he has wired his tPU as per Teslas transformer on patent 390 721, and that he didnt have any input connected to it and the compass he placed in the middle of it was slowly spinning, but he wont post until monday.
What I did was draw the transformer windings out.
My God child came over yesterday, as he comes to visit me from time to time and loves what i do. He is a smart cookie as well, and mentioned to me to look up Tesla's egg on youtube, and i noticed the connections were 4 as per that transformer.
This transformer setup causes a rotational magnetic field, now it's quite possible that SM is tapping into some resonant frequency, like earths magnetic field, and is inducing this into the transformer setup, he mentions small kicks building to larger kicks, so its quite possible that this transformer Toroid configuration causes this effect.
Dave did do an experiment with 3 non-toroidal transformers, where if he inserted 2 exact sinwaves (in exact phase) into 2 of them and fed this to a 3rd transformer, the signal would double, so its quite possible with a toroidal unit something like this would exponentially climb.
SM did say that toroidal is a fascinating configuration, and crazy phenomenon happens.
I've been quite active in this forum, as i think this is one of the best things since sliced bread.
Dom
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Dom, are you in London?
Just a quick note, from the video we can now show that we have a thick collector at 90 degrees on the inside. Around this we have an external vertically wound coil which goes right around the entire thing. Then when the tape has been removed at the back, we can see a big empty area inside. So I guess for now this can show that the inner coils are indeed wound in sections around it, not as one hole coil around it like the outer one which we can see its shape in the back tape.
So far this confirms mostly everything we had via Mannix.
Dave.
Hi Dave,
No Im in Australia, its 10 oclock now, night time.
I catch up usually at night on this forum. Yes the larger one don't have much in them, If you look at the good quality mp4 video, on the smaller ones, youll notice to that these are emtpy rings, I could tell, even with the tape on them, freeze on the 6 inch one and youll notice that there is wires wound on the top, but if you look about 10cm down, its a different shade of black, looks like there is nothing there, think of the first two prototypes and then think about winding them with tape.
You wouldn't know really would you.
But luckily i guess those first two don't have much on them, and then when we see the larger one being cut, they look empty as well, so really these devices have to rings.
The second prototype is interesting, because all the windings are on the bottom ring, but i guess by making them smaller then he could do the same on two rings.
Dom
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Guy's
I got all this together, suppose it is not worth starting without a o-scope only have a DMM.
I need to get an o-scope, any suggestions, what must I look for, what must it can do, etc.
Virus
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Sure and I tell em to start a bomb fire.....lol....only kidding, I did wire my mums hot plate today, and was careful by tirning the power off before starting.
Hiya Lindsay, Who are the 3 your referring to? Last night the magnificent 7 were on, but i think they should rename it to the dead 7, since i think they are all dead, I'm hoping we don't all die before we findout....lol
Any comments from SM's? has he or you been corresponding? does he still see what us crazies are doing here?
HIs prob having a laugh and going.....no no no, thats not it......ah bugger em, i'll keep em in suspense......lol
Sincerely,
Dom
Oh one thing that has been bugging me, is how does the magnet work? would it cause oscillation if you just placed it ne
ar a small inductor toroid?
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Ok Lindsay, in saying that, I ve worked with 240, thats here of course in australia.
If we were to have safe gaurds set out before continuing, would that suffice, like a disclaimer
so here it goes.:-
The information provided on this site is believed to be accurate, but is not guaranteed to be free from errors. The information is provided "as is" - use at your own risk.
Several projects involve direct contact with mains electricity. You will be exposed to dangerous voltages, as well as potentially causing damage. Do not attempt these things unless you are aware of the risks.
I can not be held responsible for any consequences or outcomes after visiting this site.
END
Hows that sound
Sincerely
Dom
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If we can post a disclaimer in red on every page saying that the Sm device is potentially dangerous, know that these voltages can kill you, I think that would hammer home to most people here..........common SM, don't let it end this way.
Were your fans.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Ah thats not good for the ones that do get it, we have to strive now to work it out, oh well, thats the way of things.
Sometimes if its too good to be true, it usually is.
In the respect what im saying is that a little help would go along way here.
Oh I think i may have answered my own question before with the first two devices, ive noticed that both are been placed inside the toroid, and i believe this may start up because the toroid is oscillating already. I think Otto said that without any input the compass was rotating slowly, anyway just have to wait for him to post again.
Sincerely,
Dom
Ok everybody get this, SM's device is dangerous, i'll keep saying it......common Steve....we want Steve, we want Steve, we want Steve.....
lol
I have to laugh, sorry Lindsay.
Dom
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hehehehehehe had a good laugh on that one , didn't you Marco.
Anyway time for bed for me, its late, and goto go and pay some bills tomorrow.
Cya all soon
Dom
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Asking me, this technology will then not be safe to be mass produced for marketing. Specially to the financially underprivileged, or third world populous, as was thought of, to benefit, by some members on this form.
Suppose, in Africa for example it is then better for the 10 or 12 year old black guy to keep carrying his Ak47, even though nothing good can come out of it, maybe only a feeling of a little security. No food, no education, no future.
That guys was learned to use that AK47, you think he can not be taught how to build and respect this that can give him, food, education, and a future, life. I suggest you take a hard look at the movie Black Hawk Down.
Which is more dangerous to give a gun or life ?
The saying goes, He how controls food controls people, he how controls energy controls nations. You choose ! Are you siding with those that is the cause of suffering like the warlord’s, or to uplift.
Hey there is Mexico in USA, the kids selling cocaine (is this less dangerous), Latin American countries, India, and, and, and, and . . . (bet all you see is M O N E Y, don’t you have enough ?
Take a good and hard look at how much and what you have, compared with ?60% of the people on this planet, etc.
I suggest you rethink what you have written, and judge your own motives.
Virus over and out.
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The idea of a bifilar winding is to reduce the "leakage inductance" as far as possible by having the windings occupy as nearly as possible the same physical space. Transformers, especially HiFi output transformers do this with bi-tri- or even quad-filar windings. Small RF transformers use shielded cable for a bi-filar winding as the inner and outer nearly occupy the same space-concentrically. Leakage inductance is the extra inductance that shows up in the transformer when trying to couple power from one winding to the next. It degrades the coupling, radiating the magnetic energy into the space around the transformer.
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Hi everybody,
Some info from the theory of signals, while digging in my memory, based on University lectures many years ago.
I don?t remember all the mathematics behind it but I do remember the results. SM has mentioned about two transformers with two out-of phase signals. Many years ago there was, for a short time, a radio phase-modulated transmission. Simply saying, a single frequency with phase modulation. The funny thing about phase modulation is that the spectrum of the signal is very close to the spectrum of the frequency modulation, which means MULTIPLE FREQUENCIES. Indeed, the phase-modulated signal is easily converted to the frequency-modulated signal by using a simple RC circuit and can be applied to a very standard FM receiver.
Another thing, if you want to get a phase-modulated signal, you can use heavy electronics or you can use two frequencies where a difference in phase is not a constant. The phase difference MUST be a function itself. This can be achieved by using two different frequencies close to each other in nominal. Depending on the difference between two frequencies the spectrum of the multiple frequencies will move further or closer to the central line/base frequency on both sides from the center/base frequency.
Regards.
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Just to explain how this gyroscopic force is created because EM fields have no mass and I cannot see how. I have played with some rotating fields and I have not felt any inertia or resistance to movement through the air.
Dave,
Perhaps a better question is what is there about a spinning ring of mass that produces a gyroscopic effect? What makes it resist being moved out of the plane of it's rotation? It has mass, therefore it has inertia, if you overcome the inertia by applying mechanical energy or force to make it spin, you have momentum. What is there about that momentum that makes that ring then resist any movement that deviates from it's axis of rotation? What is there in the space around it that it is reacting against?
Now what is there about EM that compares to Mass? Does EM have inertia? Could this be what we call electrical resistence? When you apply an electromotive force against that inertia in a coil, is some type of momentum produced? In electrical terms what would this momentum be called, and how is it measured? Would that be inductance, or capacitance, or something else?
Yours,
Don
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Hi,
Its funny ... was just playing with 25m copper cable and when put small neo ring magnet on it, it vibrates and spin nicely. Check video.
coil was fed with 4.3V AC through 10ohm resistor (~0.3A)
greetings,
Marcel
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In my mind, I keep going back to the beginning, of how this started for SM.
- His boss told him of a tv imploding with a HUGE magnetic field.
- SM used magnetometer to research, it was steady EXCEPT when a thunderstorm was in area, it would go off the scale.
- SM states you could tune the magnetometer to certain frequencies and tap large magnetic waves (useable power).
- SM states he had find a circuit potential for this to be able to build TPU (vacuum tube like?)
- States that earth's magnetic field IS significant enought to draw power from.
- Television had deflection yoke (DY), coils which manipulate horizontal and vertical with magnetic field.
(what if you could spin a field two ways)
- Did the DY become a receiver?
- Became interested in interaction of AC transformers.
- Torodial transformers have some weird factors, study the weird factors.
- A magnetic field moving down a wire creates a current in the wire. More wires, more current (litz). Spin the magnetic field across a multiple wires formed in a loop?
- Weak magnetic field passing along "1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches" is how to generate significant power with weak magnetic field.
So.... is he simulating the thunderstorm with a permanent magnet placing it next to the TPU (simulated DY) which creates a huge magnetic field (that must be controlled)? Are 2 of the 3 large coils used as a DY (for tuning the horizontal and vertical, creating the vortex) and the 3rd (middle one) used for tapping the "magnetic field spinning down a wire which creates current"? Did the tv DY become a "receiver"? Did the tv DY get out of phase, like out of phase torodial transformers?
Just thinking out loud.
Kent
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In reference to tubes (cirucit potential) (like insignificant magnetic field?):
From Mannix, SM letter, post on page one: <snip>
All we have to do is tap into that energy and all our energy wishes come true.
I found the secret when I read in some books about electron tubes. I was a TV repair man as well. Back in the days of electron tubes. The good old days I think.
another Mannix post on page one, quoting from SM letter: <snip>
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc. The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.
Kent
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When water goes down the drain it spins. It does not spin sitting in a pan. Large electrostatic forces are developed between the laminar flow as they slip past each other. This interacts with the earths magnetic field, thus winding up. If the water is pumped back in to the top the spin will be limited by the frictional loss of the water. In the equivalent magnetic device there is far less friction and it can wind up to considerable speed. Radial rotation is required to get the axial rotation you are looking for.
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This is based on the Tesla 390721 patent.
We are going to used the same words that SM and everybody has been using, ok?
Focus on the transformer. Through this thread everybody has looked dead at it some time or another. But based upon the SM descriptions most everybody has taken those words into their own experiences and knowedge and has tried to apply them. Mannix has said, and others, that the answer is right in our noses. So here we go.
Back to the transformer...
@MRD,
your wiring pic is the output. Try mapping the input side. It sure is different.
@everybody, the input is what is odd. I posted a flash file showing what the fields look like when rotating. This is not theory. Look at this again.
When the term 'out of phase' is used it can point to the two pairs of coils being driven against each other. Because when we think about rotating fields it has been shown here we all think they going the same way.
When the term 'Counter rotating' is used this can be left to interpretaion. The coils them selves are driven backward every 180d. My flash script shows that.
When the term 'Two frequencies' is used it can mean a different thing. Look at the transformer again. There are 2 pairs. Each being driven at different times. A good explanation would be two frequencies, whether the same or not. A simple explanation about two seperate drives. Looking at from the coil side, a good description to the uneducated would be just that. Example, We have a guy in business clothes that grabs two hot wires and injures himself. I would have stuck a piece of wire across them if I thought I was witnessing a fraud or something incredable. We now already have our first victim. And the horse is not even out of the barn yet. Thanks Mannix.
When we look at the 4 coils we all jumped on and went down the path of firing these in sequence. The Telsa transformer is being fired in pairs 180d out, forward and backward, forward and backward, forward and backward.
Yes. Since this whole thread has been by obscurity, then try listening to the semantics instead of the technical. It paints a whole different picture. If you look at my avatar, you can see all those the posts to connect to. IT consists of 4 segment of bifilar pairs, all equal turns on an iron core. This platform can be connected by either technical instructions or reconnected/jumpered to fit any type of semantical implication. My controller has the same attributes. I can jump to the next reconfiguration at a moments notice. Nothing exotic, just flexible like any experimentation test bed is. And in following these posts it is still hard to keep up. ;)
In the Tesl 390721 patent, he mentions the output at Item 60 and mentions the motor also. He does mention the odd transformer at item 80. But only as output. Did I miss something here? As I said in my previous post, this is strange. Is he hiding something here? In patents, only pertainent items are entered. Anything in diagrams has to be fully explained. You just don't stick things in the patent documents without acknowledging them with some kind of cross reference. That is mandatory. So what is up with the transformer. The small reference at item 80 doesn't pay hommage to how that thing is fired. Especially with driving power of what the patent is stated to be about. I hope I am missing something.
@Mannix,
Your avatar shows a guy on a motorcycle tied to a hanglider or parawing with a helmet on. The helmet will do him no good. If he falls on his head he breaks his neck. If he is lucky to land upright (been there done that) he has 150lbs of metal splitting his crouch in two directions. There is one law of nature that is never advertised to the uninitiated hangglider watcher. That is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete'. Do I know you from somewhere? Or are you posting to see who can see beyond the boundaries here? ;)
--giantkiller. Do I need to put on my xray goggles? :D
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Oops. Forgot the major part.
The 390721 patent has square wave AC + and - voltage from the commutators. BEMF from what cycle. ;)
--giankiller. Post lest we roast.
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A tube "powers" up and powers down....the TPU "winds" up and winds down.
Kent
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Catching up reading last posts.
Two quick comments
Safety.
Imagine for a second, the first human who discovered the ?gift? of how to start a fire not using the gift and not telling others, fearing arson or people getting burned by misuse?. Where will we be today. Still in caves?
Gravity.
What is really the nature of gravity? We see the ?effects? of ?a phenomenon? we label gravity. But lets assume that if mass is high frequency energy slown down in ?our? reality, and an electromagnetic field is ?energy? then, it may not be far fetched that a proper configuration of an energy field can produce gravity and thus a gyroscopic effect as we understand it today.
And how do we know the "particles" and ?sub particles have mass??,Doesn't a spinning field produce similar results? We only think we measure the effects and infer as to the nature of the source?
Someone said it before. It?s all about frequencies.
Great work folks. We are witnessing history in the making.
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This is based on the Tesla 390721 patent.
We are going to used the same words that SM and everybody has been using, ok?
Focus on the transformer. Through this thread everybody has looked dead at it some time or another. But based upon the SM descriptions most everybody has taken those words into their own experiences and knowedge and has tried to apply them. Mannix has said, and others, that the answer is right in our noses. So here we go.
Back to the transformer...
@MRD,
your wiring pic is the output. Try mapping the input side. It sure is different.
@everybody, the input is what is odd. I posted a flash file showing what the fields look like when rotating. This is not theory. Look at this again.
When the term 'out of phase' is used it can point to the two pairs of coils being driven against each other. Because when we think about rotating fields it has been shown here we all think they going the same way.
When the term 'Counter rotating' is used this can be left to interpretaion. The coils them selves are driven backward every 180d. My flash script shows that.
When the term 'Two frequencies' is used it can mean a different thing. Look at the transformer again. There are 2 pairs. Each being driven at different times. A good explanation would be two frequencies, whether the same or not. A simple explanation about two seperate drives. Looking at from the coil side, a good description to the uneducated would be just that. Example, We have a guy in business clothes that grabs two hot wires and injures himself. I would have stuck a piece of wire across them if I thought I was witnessing a fraud or something incredable. We now already have our first victim. And the horse is not even out of the barn yet. Thanks Mannix.
When we look at the 4 coils we all jumped on and went down the path of firing these in sequence. The Telsa transformer is being fired in pairs 180d out, forward and backward, forward and backward, forward and backward.
Yes. Since this whole thread has been by obscurity, then try listening to the semantics instead of the technical. It paints a whole different picture. If you look at my avatar, you can see all those the posts to connect to. IT consists of 4 segment of bifilar pairs, all equal turns on an iron core. This platform can be connected by either technical instructions or reconnected/jumpered to fit any type of semantical implication. My controller has the same attributes. I can jump to the next reconfiguration at a moments notice. Nothing exotic, just flexible like any experimentation test bed is. And in following these posts it is still hard to keep up. ;)
In the Tesl 390721 patent, he mentions the output at Item 60 and mentions the motor also. He does mention the odd transformer at item 80. But only as output. Did I miss something here? As I said in my previous post, this is strange. Is he hiding something here? In patents, only pertainent items are entered. Anything in diagrams has to be fully explained. You just don't stick things in the patent documents without acknowledging them with some kind of cross reference. That is mandatory. So what is up with the transformer. The small reference at item 80 doesn't pay hommage to how that thing is fired. Especially with driving power of what the patent is stated to be about. I hope I am missing something.
@Mannix,
Your avatar shows a guy on a motorcycle tied to a hanglider or parawing with a helmet on. The helmet will do him no good. If he falls on his head he breaks his neck. If he is lucky to land upright (been there done that) he has 150lbs of metal splitting his crouch in two directions. There is one law of nature that is never advertised to the uninitiated hangglider watcher. That is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete'. Do I know you from somewhere? Or are you posting to see who can see beyond the boundaries here? ;)
--giantkiller. Do I need to put on my xray goggles? :D
Regarding counter rotating fields. We've talked about this extensively in the past. This thread is moving so fast now that it's hard to really focus on anything that's not in the last 50 pages. The problem is, at the time we were talking about counter rotating fields, nobody even had rotating fields in one toroidal segment much less two with counter rotating fields. Shortly after this marco had been conducting his stacking experiments.
We had talked about, if anyone remembers, rotating one field in one direction at a specific rpm, and in the other a bit slower, or faster, so that we would get a net unidirectional rotation in one direction, while at the same time "Squeezing the hose" in that direction, as per Lindsay's hypothesis, which came a bit later.
The frequency could be the frequency of the DC pulses, the time it takes to the pulse to make one single revolution, or it could be an actual RF frequency.. However in context, and with other other posts, as reference, it's definitely referring to an RF frequency. You simply cannot get a fire discharge like that without a significant RF component. Current + voltage is one thing, and can easily kill you with duration, as someone pointed out.. However Current + Voltage + High frequency, and burn you to a crisp while killing you.
@Mannix: I assume that poor gentleman's hand looked like it had come out of a Mc'Donald's deep fryer.
The frequency of the DC pulses (how often we pulse the coil) does matter however. It's just not what they are talking about when they say "multiple frequencies." Read the context.
Regarding the gyroscopic aspect: It's the result thousands of minute mechanical movements in the TPU while in operation... End of story, there is no other way to cause this. Period. The law of conservation of momentum is not, and has never been in question. Newton got that one right.
@Mannix: Please confirm this, so that we can move on.
Regarding your test setup giantkiller, It's a marvelous piece of engineering as far as a test bed is concerned, however, you might want to rewind it with a collector in it, instead of an iron core. If we're talking about a device that has to be sensitive to the earth's magnetic flux, we need to pay close attention to things that effect the flux of our own device, hence we need to be as close as we can gather to the original.. correct? There is no argument about the fact the SM device has the collectors as it's core. We can't even assume iron cores on his original device. Or the second one that is "open." that could easily be a plastic speaker frame, they are quite common.
About Mannix's Avatar.... He invented a flying motorcycle. Page 1.
Another thing... We keep overlooking the outer control coil that encompasses everything else. Anyone else have any thoughts toward this?
When SM is flipping the switches and says something to the effect, "It's like taking and eight cylinder car motor and running it on one cylinder."
This leads me to believe that one frequency is fed to the outer all encompassing coil, and the other is fed to inner controls. I can think of no other way to turn off all but one control coil...
Regards,
Gn0stik.
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Hi
I found a patent on searching. Ä°t is smilar steven mark's device. May be help to understand SM's secret.
(http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3979/01us20060163971ao2.jpg)
Site: http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
Full Patent: http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
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Hi Dave and All,
First of, I know while i was writing the disclaimer that SM was thinking of everyones health, so really how do we get around silly people not killing em selves? But how then are we going to move forward?
Anyway It just came to my mind, the first prototype uses a single square magnet, placed in the centre of the toroid on what looks like an inductor, So I thought, if it winds up and there's a rotational magnetic field happening, why then won'y the magnet spin off. Surely there would be magnetic interactions that would make the magnet move?
In second prototype SM uses two magnets 180 deg from each other, but it looks like he clicks them down, so to me it must mean the interaction or magnetic flux is being rotated only on the circumfrence and not in the centre of the unit.
Another thing these first two prototypes the magnets are always placed inside the toroid. Thats another thing to consider, also in SM's later designs the same thing.
Anyway, something to think about.
I'm sure alot of people here are safety conscious, does it sound like im desperate to get this going....ok im guilty on that front, damn this could be the best discovery of our time.
Sincerely,
Dom
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To GK,
I think the Tesla patent is the key also, hehehehe Tesla might have put things in as a secret code...."The Tesla Code"
For people to explore.
I say that they are the inputs rather than out, because look at the second prototype again, refer to the clear pic Lindsay sent us, at the bottom side of the pic theres a finer winding of many turns, it is this that is the output, SM, prob connected large wires oon the end of the finer coil for extracting this power. So refer to my previous post, if the magnetic field is concentrated on the circumference, then it has to be induced into something somehow, hence the finer windings.
The place where he puts the magnets on are your input, and this is connected to the two inputs of transformer.
Does this make sense?
Sincerely,
Dom
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So... The more power that's drawn from the output coil the faster the magnetic field generated by the four bifilar coils spins. As in a vortex. If the output is shorted we have a meltdown.
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Hi giantkiller,
>>>> the input is what is odd >>>>>
There is NOTHING odd about it. I don?t want to disappoint everybody but the ONLY thing SM has said is the KICK. NOTHING ELSE. The rest are appliances, including rotational filed, multiple frequencies?. Do I have to repeat SM?s words here again? READ THEM AGAIN. Those are means to achieve the final result and can be done in using unlimited number of configurations, including one without any rotational filed. I have joined this forum for the only reason; there was a direct communication with SM. Practically 99% of all the test/experiments shown in this forum I did before I have joined this forum.
In my early posts in this forum I posted a link to a web site about inrush current. The picture on that page is showing a parabolic form of the inrush current. To my surprise almost nobody paid attention to it. What does it mean? Can somebody answer how one can get a parabolic current form without generating additional energy or having a negative resistance? Negative resistance is very doubtful in this case. Additional energy remains in tact. And furthermore, the additional energy is created at a higher rate than the source energy, as simple as is. Otherwise, the inrush current MUST have a linear function but it doesn?t. If you like, what did SM say about accidents when people got injured when connecting wires to powerful generators? If you want to measure such a kick/inrush current, you won?t be able, period. I doubt that anybody in this forum have access to the necessary equipment. Let me give you one example. When I used to work in the electronic lab, our equipment, even used one, was estimated for 1 000 000 US dollars for 7 people. Does anybody in this forum have anything close to it, including myself? Probably and most obviously is not. If you want to measure any effect of the kick or inrush current, you need equipment that can work in a 1GHz range at least, including oscilloscope. You can see the effect of the kick in a really big coil, I mean REALLY big coil. You simply cannot build one in home. If you have somewhere a 60KWt electrical motor/generator for your experiments, you can use it to investigate the kick and see the real results with standard equipment. I don?t have such a motor/generator at home.
With small coils one has to find a way to extract the additional energy from the base signal and ONLY then you can say what is going on and how it can be used. Reverse engineering is very attractive, but if doesn?t work it doesn?t work.
Experiments with jumping wire when pulsed with high current are nothing new. Yes, it does that and what? What are the measurements? Any current kick caught in oscilloscope? By the way, you have the same wire jumps with a very low current but a very sharp unidirectional pulse, such a high voltage spark. Just try it, no tricks are involved. Possibly, it is an earth magnetic field influence but how one can use it? This a practical question. I don?t have a practical answer to it.
A lot of discussion seems to be going about radiant energy but nobody has presented any real example. Let me describe a real experiment, no tricks, no special adjustments are involved. Everybody is saying about Tesla experiment with unidirectional high voltage spark. DID ANYBODY TRY IT? I did and here is the description of the experiment. Take a very standard car ignition coil and pulse it whit 50?1000 Hz. At the output, connect multiple high voltage diodes in series to prevent any oscillation or back current. Use as a discharge circuit two cooper 18G wires with a 5mm air gap. DON?T use any capacitor at the high voltage wire. After about 10 or 20 seconds the ground (negative) wire is overheated like it had 20?50 amperes going through. The plastic, in my test, that was holding the ground wire was literary melted in 10?20 seconds. The positive (high voltage wire) remained cool. Do I have to go into more details? It is very simple, just try it. Is it radiant energy, second emission, eddy currents?? I don?t know. SM was saying that his device is overheated because of the eddy currents. Eddy currents where? In the coils without a magnetic core? Eddy currents in the actual wire?
Vacuum tubes. Vacuum tubes are the most efficient devices for mixing energies/frequencies. A semiconductor cannot simply do it with the same efficiency. That is why it was much easier for SM to discover the effect when using vacuum tubes. I don?t want to go into more details about vacuum tubes, it is too lengthy and I am very lazy, just do some research.
Mixing frequencies/kicks. There are two types of mixing frequencies, adding/subtraction and multiplying/division. In my opinion only multiplying frequencies/kicks can produce excess of the energy. However, the vacuum tube can add energies directly (not frequencies), which might look like additions, but it is not. It is still multiplying when you come to a close look at it.
A lot of people are saying that if a single kick (or whatever signal) doesn?t give you excess of energy there is nothing to look for. Let me tell something, THERE IS NOTHING MORE WRONG THAN SUCH A STATEMENT. Again, in my early posts I have provided very primitive mathematics showing how wrong it is, check it out. You have to look for additional energy generated and how it grows and not necessarily exceeding the kick in a single action. Very simple.
Even SM promised to provide some basic hardware diagrams; I doubt he is going to do that. If I were he, why would I show anything more if everybody doesn?t want to follow my ideas? I don?t want to say that SM is right or wrong; it is simply a case of who has the real results.
Regards.
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The vortex, is probably concentrated on the circumference of the device, thats why SM uses bifilar, so we don't have magnetic flux leakage all over the place. I don't know about this meltdown, but i guess don't keep your face to close to it, and wear eye protection.
All im thinking here is analogy..
1. we have an input, thats the magnets that are placed ontop, to get things going
2. The larger bifilar windings act as loop antenna and help with this magnetic rotational field, this might be assisting the magnets cct also, so they are gradually both building up.
3. this magnetic rotating field is being induced in the finer windings which is evidently wound around one of the bifilar windings,
but at the end of this finer winding is attached a large cable , to deal with the current the load requires.
If anyone has other thoughts that maybe i'm wrong, please correct me...
Sincerely,
Dom
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Hi z_p_e,
I don?t assume that nobody read my posts. I said that there was not enough attention to an obvious thing.
>>>> Surely it is coming from the AC mains supply, and the excessive current demand is caused by the starting conditions and saturation limits of the transformer core.>>>>>>
It is not coming from any AC mains supply and doesn?t have to do anything with any core saturation limits. Any powerful electric motor is designed to withstand an electric pulse by multiple times, far exceeding any level where core saturation can start playing any significant role. If it wasn?t a case, any streetcar won?t survive for a day. I have tested inrush current with a 10000 turns coil without any magnetic core, therefore, no saturation. It did have a parabolic form but the pulse was too short, around 1?5 microsecond (maybe that is why SM?s device takes some time before it starts operating properly) and I didn?t manage to collect it somehow in subsequent kicks.
>>>>>I also had a look at one of your earlier posts where you mentioned that 50W ZPE circuit>>>>
I did mention that circuit in a completely different meaning. Actually I tried to explain why the software used to calculate that circuit gave a wrong result. Please read my post again. What I wanted to say about that particular circuit is that ?don?t waste your time, it won?t work?.
Kames.
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kosh it are his exact words exept for the (tesla) thing i putted in.
marco
i will carefully put in some intresting additional info that has been put in by
other people.
that what is being received from the Earth?s magnetic field is not electricity
but a form of magnetic current
The magnet is necessary for several reasons.
It locks in the exact magetic frequency just like a crystal.
If you take it out, the circuit drifts and loses its resonance.
When Steven takes it out of his working device, it winds down.
This coil(refering to a coil he made...) will resonate with about any freq in the area and when amplified will pick up even the faintest magnetic disturbancies. For example, I can attach my scope to the coil with no amplification and pick up the paterns of data from my printer while it is running in the next room. When everything is absolutely quiet it will sit there and pick up a background signal around the 170KHZ freq which I always thought was caused by the earth's magnetic flux.
By placing a Neodymimum magnet inside of the coil and injecting a signal from my Wavetek signal generator into it I looked for a freq which gave me the maximum gain on the scope which turned out to be 174.925 KHZ.
Ahh yes, the old MRA replication converstations.. A lot of heavies worked on that. Bill Beaty, Norman Wootan, Joel McClain.. Good read. They seemed to discover that ferromagnetism and gravity do in fact have frequency component.
Here's the link.
http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/2mra.htm
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Hi marco,
Your attachment file "valve_amps.jpg" isn?t one that SM advised to find and read a long time ago in this forum?
Have to investigate Miller-Larson effect, never heard, at least by name.
Kames.
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so people again.... think before you post things like:
assume,I guess,I'm assuming,apparently,I assume,doesn't seem to,we don't know,but I think,one can assume,my guess,seemed,it appears,etc...etc..
cause we got lots of that going around..
try to understand the "given facts"
we will do it step by step.
as we all understand part one we can slowly move on to part two
marco.
All due respect Marco, but we have a lot of guess work to do. If we didn't we'd have figured this out by now. There are a lot of wild assumptions being made, but we always come back to center. And we are all guilty in that respect.
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Did anyone look in basic scientific publications to see any of this information? Did anyone get some sensitive measuring equipment and do this experiment? Must be too simple and beneath the dignity of those on the web. Some people just sit back and say, well that isn't very much power, we want to make much more.
In order to run you must walk first.
Thank you kames.
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Yes walk before you run.
I'll be building mine around Teslas transformer, with bifilar windings in series, check diagram and also these two urls:-
http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/experiments-built.htm
http://inductors.globalspec.com/LearnMore/Electrical_Electronic_Components/Electronic_Components_Passives/Inductors_Chokes_Coils_Ferrite_Beads
These two links above are great, for basic foundation. This setup is a guide, and based on Otto's work, who hopefully post soon with his results.
Dom
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The bottom bit was cut of, sorry, I,ve spoken to an engineer today, and he said finer windings like that on second proto, are meant for high current loads.
Cheers,
Dom
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Thanks Dom
for the diagram and links :)
Mike
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Thanks Dom
for the diagram and links :)
Mike
Mike and Others,
Mike Your most welcome,
Dave mentioned to me before that he didn't understand my diagam, which I drew a few posts ago, it was abit vague, so I thought i'd do it again. This is all based on SM's 2nd prototype, the one that shows 91 volts operation, two rings shown, bottom ring with bifilar windings.
@Marco, I'm keeping to this formula for the moment, because of Otto's post, I couldn't just wait, I was too excited and wanted to have ago, I looked again at the 2nd prototype, and thanks to Dave, for picking it out, because were only seeing one angle of the clear pic device, but with other angles it does look like the bifilar coils are populated on the whole bottom ring of the device.
Now with help from my friends like yourselves and doing alot of reading, I've come to the conclusion of the drawing posted on this page.
The issue here is that the answer was right under our noses, Tesla left his gift, I will post what I mean soon
Sincerely,
Dominic
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I have been shooting sparks into some metal.....i have an ignition coil near the metal and it has a 4" blue flouro and a 12" 8 watt normal flouro connected to its terminals...not the high volt out terminal....the pos and neg terminals...
When i shoot sparks into some metal, i see the tubes that are connected to the ignition coil light up.. ??? so only the pulse energy from the metal can go in the ignition coil :-\
The metal was not physically connected to anything....i was just playing around with sparks, zapping stuff, then i saw the ignition coil circuit light up... ;D
I got a zap too....but my meter was reading 1v @ 12ma ac and it read about 1khz.....but that was another test ;)
Can i get a good zap with that power and htz? It was a decent zap.
I won't do it again :-[ LOL.
If i can organise things a bit i'll make a clip and post it on my site....
cheers...
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Dave, Sm said you won't be able to see these kicks with normal measuring equipment.
He was talking you'd need a scope like 1gigahertz. don't know...hehehe maybe im wrong. Check what he said to Lindsay in his latest post.
Ok I have something else for you to think about, I recommend everyone here to read Teslas patent again, he mentions that this exciter which feeds his generator, gets the gen spinning at a fast rate, which he wouldnt be able to do normally. Now looking at the drawing the generator is to the right of the exciter, then theres dotted lines going down , which is another view of the toroidal generator, Tesla claims that this is a very efficient system of generating power because of the seperate coils and the fact that theres shift in the magnetic poles in the gen, read from 30 to 50 in the patent, now home into 45 and 50:-
I produce a high rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those seemed by a rapid rotation of one of the elements
Now another thing to consider, Tesla was a very ingeniuos man, and he would have known that economics and his philosophies of life would clash, don't forget he was a humanitarian.
So do you think for a moment, that he would have died, taking his inventions with him, for no one to ever know.
I doubt this very much, and I think we all should look closely to his designs, because he put his greatest works in there, and weve all been missing it.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Hello all,
excuse me for not posting earlier but I dont know what to do. Mannix said to you not to wait for me and I think he means that Im showing you the wrong way. I always said that I dont know the exact setup and the TPU I made is MY setup. After a long weekend worked all the time on my TPU Im tired and dissapointed (with my work)!!
Never mind I will go on (as always) and I will finish the TPU!!!
Regards
Otto
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Hi Otto,
Can you eloborate? what are you dissapointed about?
what happened with needle compass spinning slowly without input?
do you have pics?, maybe you have made a change that stopped it from working. talk to us we will try and help
Kind rgds,
Dom
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sorry Marco,
I've been reading too much, got my lines crossed, ah well i have enough to go on, and i wont post until i come up with something.
I'll keep reading posts here to see what goes on.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Dom , you dont need to appologize.... just make sure you know what Steven said about his device.
marco
Thanks ;)
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Hello all
Im dissapointed about what Mannix said not to wait for me until Monday. I think Im going the wrong way!!!!
Ok what I saw:
On one side of the control coils I have connected the function generator and on the other +8V. Pulsing two frequencies.
The upper coil is pulsed with one frequency and the lower with another.
We are all looking for a resonant frequency and thats ok. Now, what happens when I switch off the frequency generator? I loose my voltage and of course the frequency. Then I switch my function generator ON and what happens? Nothing!! No voltage or if I had luck the voltage is here but I have the frequency lost. So I have to tune to the resonance frequency and everything is ok. Then I took 2 magnets and placed them UNDER the TPU 180? each from other and tried the same again. I lost my frequency again and a few times again. Then I took another 2 magnets and put them on the top of the TPU and switched again the frequency generator off and a minute or so again on. What happens? The voltage rised to the resonant frequency and the current also. I tried this a lot of times and I think it was ok. It takes 10-20 seconds to establish the frequency but I saw another thing too: when I reached the resonant frequency by regulating it with hand the ampermeter showed 400mA fron the power supply but with magnets the ampermeter showed only 150mA was consumed from the power supply!!The reason the magnets are used is to start the work of the TPU at resonant frequency and i can tell you, you cant have a TPU working without magnets. I needed 4. Two under the TPU two on top. Please, dont ask me about the N-S side of the Magnets. I had no time to figure this out.
About turning the TPU 180?
I was very clever and wanted to see if the TPU would work if I turn it 180?.
What I saw: NOTHING!!!
What happens:
I was pumping the frequencies into the lower and upper control coil (as usual) and on the other end of the coils was +8V. On my power supply I have a ampermeter connected. It showed nothing and so I was looking if there any connection was loosed but nothing. I was looking everywhere but didnt see anything wrong. The function generator was ok, power supply ok but the TPU didnt work. I lost a lot of time but tht TPU wont work. Looked to me as it was blocked. I turned it then again and it worked ok.
About the spinning needle
The needle was not spinning when I had to connect the wires of the TPU and I was wondering why.
The reason was very simple. The needle was not magnetized. I dont know why or how but the needle lost the magnetization and I couldnt it magnetize anymoore. Why??
When I connect a load to the collector coil(s) the output voltage drops a few volts but of course I have not lit any light bulb.
Now I have a question to you: when i short the output of the TPU nothing happens. The voltage drops a little and nothing moore. No heating, the current from the power supply and from the function generator is stable... please answer because Im not the brightest.
Please dont ask me for drawings because I had to rewind the complete TPU and I made the drawings but they are not more relevant. Now Im using only 2 collector coils with 4 segments each.
Otto
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sorry Otto to be a pain, did you try bifilar windings for 4 segments?
Best Rgds,
Dom
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@Dave
On the scope I see the signal from the 50 Hz I think but, please help, when I short the collector coil why is nothing happen?
Another question: how many volts does the scope probe 1:1 apply to the coils?
Here are the dimensions:
outer diameter of TPU: 14 cm
inner diameter of TPU: 10 cm
height of TPU : 5 cm
collector coil:horizontal 1000 fine litz wire 0,22mm diameter of wire
control coil: each 170 turns 0,5 mm wire in 4 segments
I have now 2 collector coils not 3.
transformer coil: wound all around: I had each segment 56 turns 1mm wire, 4 segments but must today calculate again the number of turns.
@ Mannix
thanks, I will buy a kompass today. I have now a little magnet hanging over the TPU and it looks to me that it would maybe rotate but is too heavi.
@ mrd10
my coils are the regular one no bifilar but I know bifilar is much better.
Otto
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Hi otto,
Could you post some pics? If you flipped it and was not working that's a good sign, right?
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sorry Im not reading carefully
@Dave
the TPU has only the control coils connected nothing more. The collector coil is "in the air".
I dont know if it is worth to mention but when I switch my radio to AM (500-1500kHz) I hear my TPU switching. Ok, I have a really good transmitter because the signal is very strong and at all frequencies on AM.
When my TPU is disconnected (all in and outputs) on my radio on AM I can every few seconds hear a loud bang. When this happens I can see on my scope a very big kick. This is not a man maid bang and the time between the bangs waries. I dont know if this is important.
Otto
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@Mannix
you dont know how I like your good night story. I reed it every day 10-20 times. I saw that this story is the clue for me.
Otto
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@Mannix
excuse me all but im tired and not reeding carefully.
You said one frequency at a time is important. Yes, I pulsed the TPU with low frequencies at 1-10 Hz and I saw that with a little input signal from my function generator I get a big voltage at my collector coil. If 1 frequency is stopped and the other,so to say starts there is something going on.
In this two days of the weekend I saw such a lot of things going on that I cannot tell and remember.
Yes I remember the kill switch when I feeded the signal from the transformer coil to the "original wire". The signal I got was amazing!!
Otto
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@Otto,
You have MSpaint. Use it.
--giantkiller. An excuse is a lie accepted by oneself.
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..... About turning the TPU 180?
I was very clever and wanted to see if the TPU would work if I turn it 180?.
What I saw: NOTHING!!!
What happens:
I was pumping the frequencies into the lower and upper control coil (as usual) and on the other end of the coils was +8V. On my power supply I have a ampermeter connected. It showed nothing and so I was looking if there any connection was loosed but nothing. I was looking everywhere but didnt see anything wrong. The function generator was ok, power supply ok but the TPU didnt work. I lost a lot of time but tht TPU wont work. Looked to me as it was blocked. I turned it then again and it worked ok.
About the spinning needle
The needle was not spinning when I had to connect the wires of the TPU and I was wondering why.
The reason was very simple. The needle was not magnetized. I dont know why or how but the needle lost the magnetization and I couldnt it magnetize anymoore. Why??
When I connect a load to the collector coil(s) the output voltage drops a few volts but of course I have not lit any light bulb.
Now I have a question to you: when i short the output of the TPU nothing happens. The voltage drops a little and nothing moore. No heating, the current from the power supply and from the function generator is stable... please answer because Im not the brightest.
Otto,
are you saying your TPU works only one way but when you turn it upside down it does not work? I'm confused by your choice of the word NOTHING, are you saying NOTHING significant happens? or that NOTHING, no output waveform (implying there was one before)
If you've found a phenomenon that depends on direction to the earth its amazing.
Spinning compas:
you're now saying the needle does NOT SPIN, I thought you said it did?
About voltage drop:
How high is your voltage? If its 5 volts and it drops a few volts (lets assume 4.8V) then you are down to 0.2V and you can't light a lightbulb with that. But if you're voltage is 100V and it drops a few volts , then its interesting. Are we talking DC voltage here? If its AC of very high frequency, then the fillament's inductance starts to play a big role and at high frequency the impedance to current is high, so no current flow. Try using a rectifier bridge and convert it to DC and then try to see if you can draw a significant current.
1. He's saying that his TPU stops working when he flips it upside down.
2. He's saying that he ruined his compass. He's going to buy another one.
3. There's no reason to believe at this point that SM uses a rectifier bridge.
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Hi Kosh,
>>>>> Does the effect reverse...>>>>
Don't know. I have never tried to reverse the diodes, don't even know why. Good idea.
Kames.
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@gnostik,
Good call on the bottom line.
--giantkiller.
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I was somewhere reading that every electron has a spin and a north and a South Pole and "when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire" the adjustment of this poles or spin is changing and this gives the kick.
They call it Spintronic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spintronics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spintronics)
rensseak
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I was somewhere reading that every electron has a spin and a north and a South Pole and "when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire" the adjustment of this poles or spin is changing and this gives the kick.
They call it Spintronic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spintronics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spintronics)
rensseak
Actually both electrons, and protons do this, and it's called precession, and its the basis of how magnetometers, and metal detectors work.
Proton and electron precession are factors used in "spintronics", but in and of itself is not spintronics as a whole.
It also causes a burst of energy that induces eddy currents in metals. With metal detectors the idea is to "mask out" the earth's magnetic field in order detect these eddy currents..
Now what kind of energy causes eddy currents in metals even through several feet of dirt?
@EMDevices... Nice post.
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Hi EM Devices,
Very good observation on resonance, I posted about tunning forks, I suggest for people here to get one, because when they are hit in the hand they resonate quite for along time, now if a rotational magnetic field does not produce a gyroscopic effect as what happens with SM devices, its this component that would make that happen.
The large number of small kicks would to me be this resonant frequency, hence when a current in a wire or vacuum tube is first turned on, it reacts with the earths magnetic field , So in effect the earths magnetic field is the resonant frequency we are picking up.
This is a very good point and one that must not be forgotten.
Again, I say this time and time again, keep it simple, nature is simple and not complex.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Sam, your joking right? You can't be serious.. Are you seriously encouraging people to "experiment" with shocking themselves with high voltage for "experience" sake?
Why don't we all just shoot ourselves in the legs with various calibur guns to study ballistics?
Do you think we don't know what would happen? Sounds to me like you've had a few too many of these jolts.
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I'm up for the hand-cranked alternator attached to both knees for self inflicted fun.
Woo-hoo!
--giantkiller.
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giantkiller,
you must be about my age. dad used to have one the old wind up telephones in his shop when we were kids. we used to love to play with that thing.
if you really want to feel some current if you still have a push mower around, grab a sparkplug wire, (while it is not running) and pull the cord very slowly. if you do it right you shouldn't feel more than one jolt from the capasitor. DO NOT LET ANYONE ELSE PULL THE WINDER FOR THIS ONE!!!!! TRUST ME MY LITTLE BROTHER DID THAT ONCE AND I LIT HIM UP!
lol
sam
ps:they say my granddad could ground out an eight cylinder car.
by grabbing a sparkplug wire and then somebody. how can that work
Resistance. Ten people can hold hands and grab 120vac. Don't do 240! It can jump to ground!
Also it is the salt on your skin that conducts in water, not the water.
--giantkiller. 51
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Guys, So I replace the mosfet with a relay. We have a relay a wire and a resistor, nothing more. Still this kick is seen. Can anyone say what can cause inrush here? Temperature change of relay contacts or the resistor makes an increase in the resistance and drops the current? It is low power here, no heat.
Can anyone suggest how to make it even more fool proof, ie illiminate any remaining normal inrush current factors? If we still then see it after all causing factors are removed, then it has another cause. I need a 100% test.
We can see the signal spike at the instant the current flows, then it drops below the steady level, then a small spike, then it levels out. This drop below can be the relay contact bouncing apart just after they close.
Still it does not feel right. The electrons have still be taken from the battery and go to the positive side. This kick will just help to drain the battery quicker!
Dave.
You want to isolate it from the PSU right? Have you tried a spark gap? Discharge a cap at about 20kv through a sparkplug. No power coming from the psu before or after the discharge. That should give you a clean reading of only the point when "a current is first caused to flow" in the wire.
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Hi All,
It's still great to see how much is going on here in our posts. So many minds coming together.
Ok I did something today, I think alot of people here should do, because I believe, and yes I'm using that word to 99% certainty, that EMdevices is on the money with the kicks being resonance. This to me seems most plausible.
So if your looking for kicks , look for resonance.
Do this simple experiment, get two tunning forks, say the letter 'E' which is 329.6hz, and get an empty tin can, which we will be using as a medium. Now hit one of the tunning forks only, and put them both on the can, the other one you didnt hit will start resonating at its frequency.
Now the above experiment is just a simple experiment, now think of the earth as the medium, and this medium have frequencies at play 24 x 7, all we want to do is collect these small kicks that are happening all the time and magnify if you wish into larger kicks.
I can't see anything but this as the exlanation, and the toroid is the other part of the magic.
Thats what I've got to say, there's something else to while i was writing this, and maybe even simpler, Its to do with the two cans and a string we all come to know, but probably havent thought anything more from it:-
http://www.howstuffworks.com/question410.htm
Sincerely,
Dom
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This is what I want you to understand from the link i just gave you
Therefore, the bottom of the second cup should start to vibrate back and forth just like the bottom of the first cup is vibrating,
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Hi all,
In regards to the inertia and gyroscopic effects, I feel that we are talking scalar waves here. This is something I posted earlier, but this thread has become so long that I thought I would mention it again now that we have an idea about the arrangement of the coils.
I am no expert, just a retired musician, going to be 70 next month, but this may be important?
A scalar wave is a close cousin to a gravity wave. They both go thru everthing and cannot be shielded. I feel scalar waves also cause the inertia effect. I definitely felt a tug in my hand when my son energized a mobius coil he had just made. Scalar waves are supposed to be created when magnetic fields cross at 90 degree angles.
One could look up Smith coil at Rexresearch or Naudin. It is the junctions when the current returns and crosses at 90 degrees that creates the scalar wave. In the TPU, it happens when the opposite rotating field collide. It seems colliding magnetic fields somehow transfer normal everday electromagnetics into unknown scalar territory.
In a mobius coil the wire is folded in half. The looped end is placed in a vice and the other ends are placed in a variable speed drill and the wire is wound up like a rubber band until the wire is twisted into a 45 degree angle. Instead of a few cross over points like a Smith coil, the entire length of the twisted wire is capable of generating scalar waves. I don't think it is necessary to do the mobius knot. Just fold the wire in half, or two wires if you want bifilar, and twist in a drill and then wind your coil.
I don't know if SM twisted his wire coils this way. If not, this technique might produce a more powerful TPU?
Energy wants to flow in a spiral motion. Look a whirlpools and tornados. I was always amazed how dirt devils could just start up out of nowhere and then quickly die down. Something would happen to disturb the equilibrium, and they would just spring up and out of relatively calm air, their velocity would pick dirt right off the ground.
The TPU is disrupting the equilibrium the same way as a dirt devil forms. Since the energy wants to spiral anyway, once it starts, it builds and builds. We just want the keep the dirt devil nice and small and not turn into a tornado.
Otto,
I think your occasional spike on your radio is important. Your coil's resonant frequency is close to a harmonic of the elusive energy we are trying to tap. And, possibly as in a dirt devil, conditions are briefly triggered for your passive coil to energize?
I want a TPU birthday present!
warm regards
Tishatang
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EM: It was said that you do not want to zero in on resonance. That would mean that you would need to be slightly off. What would using two frequencys, one above and one below resonance. Using two harmonics of the correct resonant should make the torid then be "close to resonance"
Marco: I still keep going back to seeing this a poly phase motor minus the rotor. The rotor couldn't keep up with high frequency anyhow. The fields are there all the same.
All: This could be wired as a 3 phase with each pair of 180 degree coils being injected with one of the frequencys with the other ends tied together. This in my thinking would cause the collision of frequencys and that making them augment. Since I only have one signal gen, I have not been able to test this out. I did use a cap across the second leg and did get a reversal of the sine wave on both. When feeding both segments into one channel the scope showed double the output. It does need to be a fairly large cap, using 1uf from a microwave right now.
Now for my stumbling block. So far I use a signal gen to initiate this action, in the tpu, there is no such thing. I am still stumped on how to make an input strong enough to fire off the coils. I cant in my mind fabricate such a situation yet. It illudes me and I should be able to figure this out. An LC will oscillate whether you have anything tied to it or not. A wire 80 meters long will be picking up all the traffic in the said band whether or not its connected to a receiver or not. Yet, I cant seem to get one to oscilate strong enough to be used.???????
sugra
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This moves so fast that most here don't bother to notice what is happening in the other threads.
Someone posted a schematic of a device which seems to be very similar to the SM device. Its called the Rene-Rator
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
"Every second wave, marked red, coming from the output coils is the actuator pulse for the 'input' coils to block the magnetic field of the permanent magnets. The permanent magnetic field retracts from the core inducing a current flow in the output coils. After the input 'pulse' is gone, the permanent magnet will restore the magnetic field in the core, causing a 'back-emf' in the output coils."
The only link to this rene-rator is found here, and they claim it is based on an even older design from 1871.
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087)
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Hi tishatang,
You beat me to it, thats what Iwas going to mention next....--COILS
I'm going to build my unit around 2nd prototype, because we can see the rings and the coils. It is wound bifilar, this makes it much more powerful, and was the way Tesla did most of his windings.
Now I'm even considering doing it trifilar, and this would be even better, but I'm not sure how to connect them , so I've drawn a pic, and if any coil winders can help me in how to do it, You could use my drawing and just make the modifications, note I've added the bifilar ones, which is ok.
Sincerely
Dom
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Hi Sugra, have you been using magnets at all?
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Hello all,
@Mannix
with the transformer coil I mean the coil that is wound VERTICALLY over all coils all around the TPU. I have wound it in 4 segments. I made my TPU like Tao showed us in the pictures. I think he said you gave him this setup.
@Dave
the control coils (2) are connected to the function generator (2 frequencies) one end and the other to +8V DC.
@EMdevices
NOTHING means that I had no waveform on the collector coil but I had a signal out of my function generator and +8V from my power supply. It looked like the coils are "blocking" the signals.
About the spinning needle
Maybe the needle was spinning because of my warm body or ... I didnt like this needle because it was soooo sensitive.
@tishatang
Im working on my TPU every day from 5 in the morning but I dont know if it will be ready for your birthday.
I can now "produce" this spikes heard on my radio. I take the ground connection from my scope and touch the collector coil and I hear a very loud bang. I measured this signals and they are 20V. Touching the collector coil with a screwdriver or metal nothing to hear.
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Oh another thing Sugra, SM is most likely using very effiecient windings, and hence amplifications are possible.
@Marco, now sorry for me to use such words as 'most likely' and probably , see youve given me a complex now on using these words, so forgive me , until we definitely know, im going to use these words.
Now I like to use facts before i post, and acouple of posts back i sent a link on bifilar electromagnet, which is twice as strong, than normal windings. So my next step is to wind the coils very efficiently, so anything small gets amplified dramatically.
This I believe will answer your question Sugra.
Try abit of reverse engineering guys, those early videos are a good guide.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Ok Marco, no problem, just I got a complex when i read your post, you prob got frustrated.
So here's my research so far based on facts:-
#2 cans and a string, connect two cans with string, tighten the string and talk in one and listen in the other. Proves Resonance.
#2 tunning forks , hit one and put both on a can, and you'll see the other resonate as well, actually take the one you didnt hit, of the can, and put it near your ear, you can hear the tone.
#About coils, Bifilar is much much better than single wound coils, Here's the experiment:- http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/bifilar_electromagnet.htm
The above experiments are fact.
####About The Clear TPU that Lindsay gave us 91 volts output lighting 2 x 60 watt globes######
#bifilar is much more effective than doing single winding, and if you guys do a search on this forum you should find my drawings. I'm actually thinking trifilar, if anyone can post on how to do this, that would be great.
#Build the coil as per Tesla Patent 390 721 again you'll find my drawing which I clearly show how to wind it, and connect it.
Do a search for Tesla egg, in youtube and you'll see video demonstration in his home country. This shows the rotating magnetic field.
#The rings im going to use plastic, as I believe he is using, someone said it looks like those car set tracks, and i believe they are. They are to shiny to be metal. So to the toy store I go. To look for something similar.
#Now we build a very efficient toroidal setup, If I don't findout how to do trifilar winding, then I will just do bifilar.
#Tunning part with magnet, looks like he uses and inductor, which he places a magnet ontop of it, this isnt shown in 2nd proto, rather it is shown in his first prototype, and the inductor is toriodal.
The tunning part is something i need to experiment with, any ideas most welcome, I will try and get one to physical size he uses on the 2nd proto and first prototype.
My feeling with this is like setting up a crystal radio, with and inductor and variable cap, and output this to TPU, perhaps the magnets lock in the frequency, and gets tunning cct to resonate at the earths magnetic field, As someone mentioned.
Sincerely,
Dom
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@Mr. Lindsay Mannix
In the name of all the poor people that havent even see a light bulb nor lit one please be patient with us.
Regards
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...all we want to do is collect these small kicks that are happening all the time and magnify if you wish into larger kicks.
Dom, you need energy to amplify these kicks? From where do you plan to get the energy to amplify them?
Regards,
Dave.
Dave , the kicks Dave the kicks.....Try not to think to conventional, it may stop you from trying different things.
Crystal radios where do they get there energy from, theres no battery......It is said and so did Tesla state THE ETHER
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@Dave and Dom
You dont need or only a little extra energy to amplify these kicks and you dont need a bifilar coil (I hope so)
What you need is (I think so) to feed back the signal from your transformer coil (the wire all around everything 1 mm diameter into the control coil. You will see that the signal is really amplified. I made this and it is ok.
What I saw this morning:
Pulsing the TPU in the region at 1-10kHz (no time to measure the frequency) at one frequency the signals on my scope vibrated at around 5-10Hz. The TPU was in resonance. When I took the TPU in my hands... not confirmed yet.
By the way pulsing the TPU with frequencies at 5-10Hz my cheap digital multimeter showes that there are voltage spikes over 50V.
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@Dave
I was talking about the frequency of 5-10 Hz.
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Mannix,
I asked this question before and would like to ask again. Was the "once upon a time in a kingdom" story written by SM or by you? In researching the words of SM, it is important for me to know if those are to be included as his words. Thanks.
Kent
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@Dave and Dom
You dont need or only a little extra energy to amplify these kicks and you dont need a bifilar coil (I hope so)
What you need is (I think so) to feed back the signal from your transformer coil (the wire all around everything 1 mm diameter into the control coil. You will see that the signal is really amplified. I made this and it is ok.
What I saw this morning:
Pulsing the TPU in the region at 1-10kHz (no time to measure the frequency) at one frequency the signals on my scope vibrated at around 5-10Hz. The TPU was in resonance. When I took the TPU in my hands... not confirmed yet.
By the way pulsing the TPU with frequencies at 5-10Hz my cheap digital multimeter showes that there are voltage spikes over 50V.
Otto
Otto,
it is really hard to understand , what you are doing.
What is your first language ?
German ?
If yes, please post in German and I can translate.
Also , maybe you have a friend with a camera or camera
mobile phone, who can visit you and loan it it to you
or you can just make pics, when he is there and upload
it then over here ?
That really would help to see and help you, what you are doing.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards, Stefan.
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I hope S.M. doesn't give up on us. As for myself, I'm not trying to understand the complete operation of the T.P.U. before I start experimenting. I need to start with a fact and build on it. I've wound four air core bifilar coils from speaker cord (that's what I see in the video with the small device) and am working with them to try to better understand the rotating field and the initiating spike. Next, I'll wind a coil at a right angle to the plane of the four bifilar coils around the four coils (because that's what I see in the videos) and work with that for a few months.
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@everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nobody leave. I am not suggesting a hostage situation either. Just cool your jets, all. We are 2 types of particpants, constructive and destructive. If the constructives stay focused then the goal will be met. As time goes on, the destructives will become apparent and deemed useless. The constructives will reign. Tesla failed in the most major way possible: He got knocked down by the assholes and never got back up. It is in the movie. I guess the great men won, huh?
I refuse to back off now of what I know. This is the nexus of all I have dreamed, felt and know, for such a time as this.
Kicks, rotating magnetic fields, resonance, overunity. Anybody with me on this?
--giantkiller, hence the name.
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From where do you plan to get the energy to amplify them?
Dave.
Hi Dave,
In regards to where the energy coming from and what he says on frequencies:
He states: ?.takes the energy from the natural magnetic field of the earth which has an ?inherent? frequency?.. Basically tuning into that?.
Then he repeats
?..take the energy that?s readily available from the earth?s magnetic field and produce electricity from it.
The above within the first 50 seconds of the video.
Regarding frequency, he definitely mentions 7.3 Hz and also mentions again the flipping upside down effect in this video. Only 4 mins long.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+mark
Frame reference around 3 minutes into the video he states:
..it vibrates ever so slightly around 7.3 cycles per second...
He then flips it upside down and the output drops.
He also states in this video he doesn?t know why the flip effect.
Some more observations here from another video
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2635;sa=showPosts
I hope this helps somewhat
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Mike,
The problem is yeterday SM sent us a new email via Mannix, in which he says he assumes the energy comes from there because its logical, but really he doesnt know. Thats my point.
Regards,
Dave.
hmm ok. According to Mannix, S.M. now doesn't know where the energy comes from?
How about the statement:
Frame reference around 3 minutes into the video S.M. states:
..it vibrates ever so slightly around 7.3 cycles per second...
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Is that still valid? or that is also being negated?
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Suppose the "rotating magnetic field" is actually rotating radiant pulses. Hmm... A radiant pulse applied to one of the bifilar? windings, the power intercepted by a close wound copper wire winding surrounding the bifilar winding and converted to electron flow (this is the power out), a small coil which feeds part of the radiant pulse to the next bifilar winding. Each section of three coils is independent of the next section except for the output pulse fed in as input to the next section from the small coil. You could trigger the rotation of the radiant pulses with a magnet; the field would take a few seconds to spin up and start generating radiant pulses. So we would have rapidly rotating radiant pulses (maybe 5000 pps.) and part of the amplified power being intercepted by the output coil fed into the next section. This is the direction my research is taking me.
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Mannix,
I asked this question before and would like to ask again. Was the "once upon a time in a kingdom" story written by SM or by you? In researching the words of SM, it is important for me to know if those are to be included as his words. Thanks.
Kent
If I remember correctly, Mannix already said it was his story. Not SM.
Dave.
I went back and read all of Mannix's posts and did not find the answer.
It was a good exercise anyway, as a refresher to many things. Like Otto, I too am very interested in this "fable" and would just like to know if it is directly from SM.
Kent
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ElectroMagnetic resonant frequency, which can cause MECHANICAL vibration as well. In the end, it realy doesn't matter where the energy comes from (hopefully were not slowing down the earth or causing some disaster to our planet)
Hey guys nobody go anywhere. Everyone's opinion and observation is unique and valuable.
Agreed to the possibility.
EmDevices, Dave, macrco, all others participating.
So what are the given assumptions then? What are the solid points of quantifiable references that we can start working from?. What are the known irrefutable specifications that can be gleaned from all the available info so far.?
Attempting to use the actual videos as the most reliable source to start with I posted some of what thought to be points of reference here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2635;sa=showPosts
I?m not trying to neither encourage nor divert any line of thinking, only trying to understand what do we really have to work with as givens.
I have my own thoughts in this, I am not sure if they are right or wrong, but only based on what the videos are telling me and building up from his initial demonstrations to the later ones. Starting form the most simple ones like the one on the 4 minute video.
Thinking outloud if I may:
From the simplest device (one of the first working ones?).
A main collector circuit vibrating at or close to Shuman frequencies either tuned in, forced, coiled for 7.3Hz etc.
That is the primary first energy collection and driver part of the device (something like the outside power frequency generators many use here)
Then usage of that signal to create and capture radiant energy (that?s where the main power output comes from and would explain the ?kicks?)
Again trying to keep things a simple as possible. In that first video of a working device, the device is simplest, not fancy circuits he mentions of, a vibration of 7.3Hz now we say we don?t know where it?s coming from but nevertheless it is there. The flipping upside down stopping the output. The permanent magnet.
And of course it is working per video?s demonstration.
Any other given solid indisputable information there?
Folks thank you all for this great thread!.
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@ mikestocks2006
Frame reference around 3 minutes into the video S.M. states:
..it vibrates ever so slightly around 7.3 cycles per second...
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lots of things can vibrate, especialy if you have magnets near coils etc. Electric motors vibrate too. Some vibrations can be due to the natural MECHANICAL vibrational modes of a device, like the Tacoma Narrows bridge that colapsed, or a tunning fork for musicians. If SM says its an assumption , the energy comes from the earth, I belive it. Notice in the videos he pauses before he says where it comes from, he's not realy sure, notice the hesitation. Yes there's tuning, but not to the earth magnetic field but to the devices ElectroMagnetic resonant frequency, which can cause MECHANICAL vibration as well. In the end, it realy doesn't matter where the energy comes from (hopefully were not slowing down the earth or causing some disaster to our planet)
Hey guys nobody go anywhere. Everyone's opinion and observation is unique and valuable.
Thats exactly what I was thinking also, its like a sea of energy, it's always there, all were trying to do is tap into that.
Another thing to consider, think of a river that is always on the move, but we can't see it, then one day someone magically sticks the turbine in it, and notices we can harness great power from it. So lets try tapping into it, whatever it is. then work out what it is later.
Sincerely
Dom
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From all this magnets do play a big role, now I just had another thought, we tune to a field of some type but what if that field were more mechanical, and when we place a magnet to capture it, the magnet changes this field to electrical.....wow i amaze myself
What you think guys on that hypothesis.....
I was thinking of analogy of a generator, you have to have mechanical movement to have magnetic flux change, and this change is captured by the coils. So we have gyroscopic vibration, but this vibration is being converted by the magnet, for power.....see the similarities
I haven't built my TPU yet, but when I do im going to look for this vibration.
Also don't forget the TPU itself has something to do with this also, SM did state many times that play around with Toroidal has some interesting phenomenon....i think i spelt that word right.
Keep up the good work all
Dom
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Yes it's not free energy device, he says its a conversion device, so the magnet plays apart in this conversion process.
I'm just thinking along conventional lines to explain where and how we get this power, here i'll simplify it
Theres a river of energy we can't see
We place a magnet as part of the tapping process, and this field of energy is induced into the TPU, to provide us power.
The Magnets are the key gentleman.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Since we are talking about a sea of energy:
The secret symbol of the christians in Roman times was the IKTHUS(fish). Many put in on their vehicle bumpers to this day.
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/LeftBank/3633/ikthus.htm
--giantkiller
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Hi Dave,
Yes thats right, energy has to come from somewhere, all were doing is tapping into it. If we think along those lines it'll be easier to understand. And yes he never stated that they were free energy devices.
Hey another thought came into my head, I used to play guitar
Electric guitar has a magnet to pick up and amplify the sound being generated from the strings
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/electric-guitar.htm
The sound is produced by magnetic pickups and controlled by several knobs. If you pluck a string on an electric guitar that is not plugged in, the sound is barely audible. Without a soundboard and a hollow body, there is nothing to amplify the string's vibrations. See How Acoustic Guitars Work for details.
To produce sound, an electric guitar senses the vibrations of the strings electronically and routes an electronic signal to an amplifier and speaker. The sensing occurs in a magnetic pickup mounted under the strings on the guitar's body. A simple magnetic pickup looks like this:
I think Gents, you'll find this a very interesting read, and may stop us from going of course.
remember I said about the magnet is used to help pickup whatever is out there. What a perfect example, notice mentions vibration, resonance etc etc, all the qualities we find with the TPU.
Sincerely,
Dom
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So here's another fact Marco....lol......Electric Guitar. I'll add this to my fact list.
I think were nailing this to a T.
Makes it easier to build in the end.
Kindest Regards,
Dom
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Hi Dave,
For me, I look at what I know, and what i don't know is something i need to findout.
Look at the things we know, he uses magnets, he uses toroidal transformer of sometype
The magnets play a big part in all of this, He tunes into or if I like to call it, taps into a sea of energy.
Don't think to conventional, yes something perhaps is missing, and yet it could be right infront of our faces and we truly don't understand what we see.
Like everyone here, we pull together and tell what we know.
Maybe I had a purpose in life to tell things i know.
I know abit of electronics, I know abit of music, computers etc etc
The knowledge of what we know can help us immensely to pull through this, Yes there are forces out there we don't fully understand, it may not work the way we think. Keep this in mind Dave, it may not work the way we think it does, there's so much that we still don't understand.
So I have built my facts sheet to help me through this, as per Marco's Help
We have many minds here coming together, lets work together and make discoveries, maybe this is part of what SM wants us to do, make the discoveries with what he has already given us.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Look about this fact on electric guitars:-
Electric guitar has a magnet to pick up and amplify the sound being generated from the strings
Again vibration, resonance, sea of energy, magnets, these all play a role...hehehe like my motherinlaw always says, lets get cracking and build this thing.
To the future
Dom
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Hi Dave,
I understand where your coming from, I'm really just going on what I know, to help me through this.
discoveries are an important thing.
Anyway, will keep at it.
Dom
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Dave, I realize your not having ago at anyone, your views are valid, I for one respect that.
energy can never be created or destroyed, its always there....lol
Dom
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We are beating ourselves up here for too long a time. I haven't lost sight of the unknown. We see the SM coils doing strange things and we see the hutchinson effect being done with things we have all seen in our experiences. Can any civilians here explain what causes the witnessed effects? You can sure bet the military has this. Be Because the effects are true and witnessed! And that there is enough to make me pursue the goal. If we are pretty sure what the SM configurations are then we can provide what the magnetic fields look like in their speed and from the coils. That is where I have been. You have seen my pictures. Yeah some were wrong. But if you can't picture it, you got nothing to perceive and believe. After all, if no one saw the SM coils doing things we wouldn't be here. That is why I am stuck here...
I bet we could've reproduced the hutchison effect already. And I still contend that no matter what SM configuration is arrived at, it will be very close to a Tesla coil configuration of some type. Maybe inside out?
My controller status is:
I just put sockets in place of the caps at the 555 clocks. Like a breadboard situation I can jump large ranges now.
My logic runs at 5v. My coils are connected at 12v. I need to add an intermediate stage to drive the coil transistors from 5v to 12v at the bases.
I need to change the transistor place from (0v and +12v) to (+12v and -12v). These are still square waves. That is what Tesla used and I am staying with that.
My controller changes are slow but the kitchen floor is coming along nicely.
--giantkiller. The truth is out there and we're gonna' find it.
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I would like to tap the power that drives the ocean waves. They never stop. The Atlantic, Pacfic and Indian oceans all spin clockwise. Wow. And that is free. Who or what does that? Lighting strikes the Earth 100 times a second?Wow. And that is free. Who or what does that?
There are things we just don't have access too yet...
--giantkiller.
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You folks seen this? For those who missed it on Dave's site.
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6286598798176714592
Comster
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If anybody here hasn't seen the NASA alien contact video, Nasa is dragging a 12 mile 10mm diam wire around the earth. That means that the wire is slicing thru the Earth's field at 90d. Guess what happens? the inrush breaks the wire at the shuttle connection area. Then wire continues to glow and you can see it 77 miles away free floating in space. The glow is attributed to solar photonic evergy. NASA didn't think of this.
This ain't textbook, baby!
--giantkiller.
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@sparkman,
I am one of those who followed the wrong. I did notice, and wanted badly to speak about the things you said. My last experience was when I ask a number of those what they believed in. @Mannix was one. We then got the clearest picture we've ever gotten. I didn't know what to say. I know exactly what you spoke about. And I am not just agreeing, but....
It stinks. Your right about the long gray finger. Others have made corrective remarks too. And I don't have all the answers. I just want the one.
--gaintkiller. It is never clear.
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Dave
I was surprised with the similarities in what the presenter was presenting and experiments done here and some things mentioned by SM. I watched it twice and both times I came away with a better knowledge of why I believe SM's TPU is not a scam. The whole point about different frequencies being blocked by 2 plates, not necessarily metallic in nature and having impedance got me thinking. I wonder if the material in the SM toroidal is a material with a small spacing that causes the effect. I guess it's back to the lab and see what a pair of flat donuts and some coils produce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect
Comster
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History of the TPU. It seems it's been around for a while. Check out http://www.keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000563.htm .
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Hi Marco,
I have already tried placing a very strong NiB magnet over and on various places of the circuit and I cannot see any change in this shape.
So, should we assume from this that an external magnetic field has nothing to do with this spike. This spike can be normal inrush current? Or can it be caused by something else?
Perhaps Kames can comment on this as his post was rather stern about inrush and the earths field the other day.
Perhaps he can explain it in more detail so I can apply it to this test.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
Yes, I can comment on this. I am just too busy with everyday?s b..t and it is difficult to run after you guys.
What you are seeing is such a called ?parasitic? oscillation. It is caused, obviously, by parasitic capacitors. Those parasitic ?C? are coming from everywhere, from you relay, function generator and even oscilloscope probe. These parasitic oscillations are exactly what Tesla said one should get rid of if one wants to see radiant energy. Inrush current (pulse) won?t appear on ?top? part of the pulse. The inrush current occurs only when there is no initial magnetic energy stored in the coil and appears just a little before/earlier than the actual pulse (I mean current). However, the form of the inrush current looks very close to the parasitic oscillation with one exception, it is like a half wave/half period only and always. The inrush current pulse looks like sitting at the front edge of the pulse and starts from the very bottom/beginning of the pulse.
You won?t be able to get rid of parasitic oscillations easily. You can compensate it with other ?R? or ?C? but it always somewhat destroys the sharpness of the pulse. No way around, just a compromise.
A little more about inrush current. I tested it with small coils and big (as much as I could get). With my 50 MHz oscilloscope I couldn?t see any inrush current in small coils. This means that the frequency range (and maybe sensitivity) has to be increased by an order. This comes to a 500 MHz scope. That is why I said that one might need a 1 GHz oscilloscope. With bigger coils I managed to see inrush current a few microseconds in width. If you try to use a big coil with thin wire, you won?t see anything again. With a lot of turns and thin wire the active resistance of the coil becomes too big and ?kills? everything.
Not being able to see inrush current doesn?t mean it cannot be ?abused/extracted? somehow indirectly.
SM?s kick with simple wire. Without talking about something that I don?t know, I can see only two ?types? of kick, inrush current and the actual wire movement. When I tried to put a piece of wire in different directions (North, West?.) it still was jumping, doesn?t matter what. What if there is a way to make electrons to jump out of the wire instead of the wire jumping? Just a stupid idea.
I also have a big question about inrush current. Even so, that it appears having some energy generated, it DOESN?T have a hash signal in it. Remember, SM was saying about a lot of hash noise in his output? But again, who knows how it is being used and if this is a real kick.
Kames.
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From the archives at keelynet
RE Stevens coil
I have some info about the stevens coil and scam or not it needs to be
duplicated. While it could be battries, the people who i have spoken with
,one of whom cut it in half have seen no battries other than to start it ,
these people while financially involved are not scammers although the
possibility exists that they are fooled themselves.
this subject alone is worthy of investigation as it is at the heart of any
free energy "toogood to be true" inventions .I am not prepared to give up on
proving the stevens coils as it may be the break thru that we have all been
waiting for,this can be proved by everyone sharing what they know to be fact
and sharing their results it shouldn't take more than a few weeks to put
this matter to rest.
So here is what i have found out 22 turns of 23/0076 lamp wire around a 10
inch wood former . there are capacitors but no info on them. I have used a
14 inch wheel plastic wheel trim with 22 turns of lamp wire and ,wavin a
magnet over the coil gives a rf output which i have not been able to explain
yet.
keep searching
Lindsay Mannix
Western Australia
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@Kosh,
Beat me to it ;)
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@Dave,
Sorry to be absent but I have been engaged in work related activities that has been taking most of my time so experimenting has taken a back seat. Fortunately these distractions have been resolved and I will be hard at it again.
I am still working on the crystal receiver idea, my local electronics store did not have the diodes I wanted to use in stock and had to order them. i should have them within the next week or so. I hope to have some promising results soon. I am very encouraged by Otto and Marco's results and I am planning to wind a new torrid this weekend to see what results I can obtain as well.
On a related note:
During my absence I obtained a new inductance meter and was checking the inductance of the coil I wound (the samll one for the tickler) and found it has only .0011mH inductance, I also checked a donut magnet I wound with some 26ga solid core wire on, it is a smaller coil and form about 1/4 the size and it was showing me .0023mH. Interesting effect the dounut magnet has on the inductance of the small torrid, almost doubling the inductance with 1/3 to 1/4 the windings. I did also try bringing a strong ceramic magnet near the larger one and noted it does affect the inductance by about .0001mh (increases it).
I will be trying next to pump a signal into it and see if / how this affects the resonance of the coil alone. Hopefully we can all get back on track here and build on the positive results Macro and Otto have had.
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From http://keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000321.htm .
The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it
other than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is
established. In the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument
package. A magnet is used and a resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil. The system pulses
with a DC component.
Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio.
It appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The
converter package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a
circuit to convert the pulsed DC component to AC.
This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of
the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system
has its good and bad points....
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From http://www.keelynet.com/energy/markfake.htm .
The Stevens Device:
Energy from Coils of Wire and a Magnet
(this is the Markovitch device)...
For lack of any name, it is being called the "Stevens" device (Markovitch) .
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Marco, lets say then as an ANALOGY that my bag of coal never runs out, it is an ever lasting supply like this "energy". I still do not get more energy out than coal I put in?
IF I PLACE a water turbine generator in the sea, is it free?
Well, it doesnt cost me anything to get power. BUT I dont get more energy out than the energy of the sea wave hitting the turbine.
My point is, what kind of situation can allow more out than in?
The TPU has no input. It starts by itself. If I dont put any coal in, I get nothing. How does the turbine spin itself?
Dave.
Hi Dave,
I think it's not a case of MORE out than in. I see it as SOMETING unused by men in, and energy/electricity out, so basically it might not even be OU!! SM says that as well it's conversion not FE in the strict sence of the word......
BUT the resulting energy might be free to us because the source is all around us and unlimited.....
Dutchy
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This experiment is designed to test what SM has told us with emphasis, a battery and a wire is all you need to see a kick.
So, can we forget about vortexs and radiant discharges and focus on this? A real experiment I have posted, infact I have posted many. But they just seem to be ignored and people just go on day dreaming about fanciful things we can neither test nor proove.
Can anyone suggest how I may improve this experiment or confirm if the earths field does act upon the electrons in this wire? SM seems to confirm that this kick is present in a fillament no matter what the temperature, it is not due to change in resistance. So, can anyone comment on this for me so I can further improve this test.
Regards,
Dave.
Hi Dave,
If it is magnetic influence from the earth, we might be able to shield it in a metal cage. If the spike disappears, it is created by some influence from outside the cage/box. Makes sense?
Dutchy
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Hey folks.
There was a post here last night (US Eastern time) from a handle "Anybody" with about 100 posts under it. I haven't seen that handle before, so I made a note to read his/her posts today. However; it seems to have dissapeared along with all the posts.
Has anyone else noticed it?
Thanks.
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Below: Can this be a 9v battery which is just taped to the edge and can be easily replaced once its run out. When its started SM reachs down the inside and flips a small switch.
Dave.
@Dave: Could well be a 9v battery. Also on the left side there are two wires coming from it. I also remember reading somewhere that SM has said something along the lines: It took me a long time toget rid of the battery....
Therefore it could be he discovered the power generating effect first and afterwards added something (picking something up from shumann resonance?) to dump the battery. On the other hand the bigger units might have a rechargable battery inside so it can always be started again?
Regards Dutchy
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The post was like a riddle kinda like a small story about farm animals different colors and a person or one of them asking for help to seed some wheat and make bread.
It was a bit strange. It was the last post I read late last night in this thread right after mflynn44 posts 3230 I think.
This morning is all gone. That poster had a number of posts here in this thread But I can't seem to locate any of them.
I just looked up the handle Anybody again and now it appears to have only 24 posts some here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
Strange. He had about 100 posts under that nick last night. Maybe it was just a glitch...
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Hey folks.
There was a post here last night (US Eastern time) from a handle "Anybody" with about 100 posts under it. I haven't seen that handle before, so I made a note to read his/her posts today. However; it seems to have dissapeared along with all the posts.
Has anyone else noticed it?
Thanks.
I've even seen that post this morning. Can't remember any responses to it, pretty sure even there wasn't any comment. But the little riddle about coloured farm animals was there.... I guess he deleted it himself.....
Dutchy
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Dutchy,
So in this case. The flow of energy is like a free flowing river. Our TPU is like the water turbine. The small starting battery is just used to open the gate and divert the water, then it is left. Now the free flowing river just turns our turbine. We dont get more out than water pressure we put in, but the water is flowing "by itself" and we simply let it now convert to electricity for free. So, what can be this energy we have to open the gate for?
Dave.
My first guess would still be magnetism.
1. This is claimed for by SM (the huge magnetic field that surrounds us...)
2. All the copper coils plee for magnetic induction too.
3. There might be a link to gravity as it does not work when flipped up side down(didnt it have a link with the B or H vector?)
4. There is a preferred direction of rotation in nature which is opposite on the southern hemisphere, hence the thing works the other way around there.
Still there is a "aether" sort of option, but then it all gets very vague again...... Don't have to tell you that I guess....lol
Robert
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Hey folks.
There was a post here last night (US Eastern time) from a handle "Anybody" with about 100 posts under it. I haven't seen that handle before, so I made a note to read his/her posts today. However; it seems to have dissapeared along with all the posts.
Has anyone else noticed it?
Thanks.
I've even seen that post this morning. Can't remember any responses to it, pretty sure even there wasn't any comment. But the little riddle about coloured farm animals was there.... I guess he deleted it himself.....
Dutchy
Yep.
I scanned down the thread in the home page. And there ware many more posts from that handle in this S.M. thread. some were very relevant, so I made a note to read them today since I haven't seen that handle in this thread before but this morning it all were gone.
Strange. Anyway.
Dutchy, thanks for confirming.
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Mike,
Did you copy them before they disappeared? What subject were they about?
Dave.
Anybody is alias mannix and today there was deleted some posts because it was already 331 sites before. I ask already Stefan what is going on here but till now no response.
There was something strange going on and the last important post of mannix is also deleted.
regards
Norbert
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Hi guys, I did not delete anything...
Hmm, strange....
Maybe the persons themself deleted their postings ?
Should I set the forum this way, that each person cannot delete his own posting ?
Probably not , as then I would have to delete myself all the time some postings, when somebody wishes to delete his wrong typed postings...
Hmm, I will have another at the permissions and see, if there is something set wrong..
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Hi guys, I did not delete anything...
Hmm, strange....
Maybe the persons themself deleted their postings ?
Should I set the forum this way, that each person cannot delete his own posting ?
Probably not , as then I would have to delete myself all the time some postings, when somebody wishes to delete his wrong typed postings...
Hmm, I will have another at the permissions and see, if there is something set wrong..
ANYBODY=MANNIX
Look who started this topic (good guess ANYBODY)
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Mike,
Did you copy them before they disappeared? What subject were they about?
Dave.
Anybody is alias mannix and today there was deleted some posts because it was already 331 sites before. I ask already Stefan what is going on here but till now no response.
There was something strange going on and the last important post of mannix is also deleted.
regards
Norbert
Yes there are a lot of posts missing. This SM thread is long enough and tough enough to follow all the discussions ebbs and flows at times. But now removing posts, a great number of them, from some of the more experienced member sure makes it more difficult to follow, especially when one reads posts referring to another deleted post.
Did not mean to be too of topic, but I thought it was kind of important to the structure of the thread.
Stefan maybe a separate backup cashing of every post entered might be a good idea for situations such as this, when valuable info can be archived for future reference?
Ok onward.
Thanks
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Dutchy,
Of course we have the earths magnetic field, problem is, unlike a river its not flowing. Its more the like the river in winter is frozen solid, it doesnt move, so neither does the turbine. Otherwise we could just stick a coil in the air the earths field would induce EMF, but either the coil or the field has to be moving. We have neither, so we get nothing. So...?! :-\
D.
Ok I see what you're saying, but seeing SM is not even sure where it is coming from it might not be earths magnetic field that is contributing. Fact remains that if you add two magnetic waves (same phase etc etc.) energy is being ADDED from somewhere. So in the TPU ther is timing going on in a way that sequential pulses create magnetic waves that add up and the power is squared. some of this gain is then fed back to continue the process and to take over the battery power.
Robert
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Yes, the user Anbody
is Lindsay Mannix.
Here you can see his latest postings:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
The last one was at:
October 05, 2006, 05:08:24 AM
I still have a SQL Database backup from yeasterday,
but I firsthave to find out, how I can read the postings
from it without installing a forum around it.
Does anybody know, if there is something like a SQL content viewer program ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Guys,
Firstly how can something wound on the same core get its outputs slightly out of phase? Secondly could the fact they are wound together, rather than my experiment with two seperate ones give us a clue?
Dave.
If you would pulse the two seperate windings of a bifilar air coil, with an in phase sinus signal, will the resultant magnetic wave be squared in the way our Hungarian friend predicts?
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Yes, the user Anbody
is Lindsay Mannix.
Here you can see his latest postings:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
The last one was at:
October 05, 2006, 05:08:24 AM
I still have a SQL Database backup from yeasterday,
but I firsthave to find out, how I can read the postings
from it without installing a forum around it.
Does anybody know, if there is something like a SQL content viewer program ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
hallo hartiberlin,
ich habe das heute fr?h beobachtet und sie angemailt. so zwischen 10:15 u. 10:45 waren sie offensichtlich online und so dachte ich sie w?ren am "aufr?umen".
Und so wie es aussieht hat Mannix sich wohl nun verabschiedet, so mein eindruck.
MfG
Norbert
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Guys,
Firstly how can something wound on the same core get its outputs slightly out of phase? Secondly could the fact they are wound together, rather than my experiment with two seperate ones give us a clue?
Dave.
If you would pulse the two seperate windings of a bifilar air coil, with an in phase sinus signal, will the resultant magnetic wave be squared in the way our Hungarian friend predicts?
Dutchy,
I will try, but so far the the signals must mix in the a single wire, ie the primary of the mixing transformer.
I start to wonder if this is relevant to SM saying about the indepenant currents flowing in the same wire in his valve experiment?
Dave.
So what about say, 4 input coils and one output coil on a single toroid core?
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Guys,
Just took a quick look thru the last dozen or so pages and Mannix's posts are gone. I guess he didn't like the posts relating to the finds on Keelynet. Was he using us to further his research? Or something else? I have to ask this since he is deleting his posts now.
Stephan,
Please take the backup from the other day and create a new thread and lock it this way we have all the info as a reference before its gone. We have put too much effort into this to start losing info because someone is not liking our research directions.
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Guys not to go off to much of the topic here, but remember that sea of energy I was talking about, and remember the elemental rods, I'm not sure how i found this but look:-
Whizard wrote:
This is the same device that Don Smith said he built and is having
someone in Japan or China build and market it I believe. There are
not 73 and 74 elements on each of the rods - these are the numbers
from the Periodic table of Elements relating to the two elements used
- which are Tantalum and Tungsten - elements 73 and 74 from the
Periodic table of elements. Very interesting info as I seem to
recall knowing one of the rods was Tungsten but didn't know what the
other one was. It seems to make sense.
At 03:21 PM 8/21/2003 +0000, you wrote:
Subject: 18 to 25 watts from 2 small rods !!!
Please have a look at this and the video !
This sounds incredible, if it is no fake !
read my comments at the end !
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These are the videos http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978&q=elemental+rods
If this is true, then all we need to do is get these two metals and try it
Sincerely,
Dom
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Take a look at this. I believe this is what Steven Mark did.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
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Dutchy,
It seems the signals currents themselves must mix in a single wire, rather than all the inductions meet in a single coil. But more tests will have to be done. This SM frequencys adding in the time domain could be linked to this in some way.
Dave.
I see, although it isn't what i understood from our hungarian friend. But maybe you could have multiple input amd multiple output coils on the same aircore. You might not have somany losses then.
Robert
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Dave I tried to reply to you , but it kept saying i double posted, then when i have alook, theres nothing there. Im trying to send you zip file, showing same experiment in japan, now from the url post ive been reading 3 people have done this, so it would be worth trying
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Pulsing the collector coil with some 100mA and seeing the "kicks" on the control coils.
Ten pulses and a pause. See the scope shots. Just one pulse frequency.
That low frequency after the 10th pulse is very intriguing.
Also the rising amplitude of the kicks.
Kosh
Hmmm, and now find the right frequency so that the magnetic wave fronts add up and the output gets squared. Just like the pictures that Mannix sent a while back. It depends on the size of your TPU.
Dutchy
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Dutchy, if we assume for a moment that this is the operating principle, and it could be a good basis. However, what has this to do with kicks in a single wire and collector coils at 90 degrees?
If we send signals round and make them add with correct phasing, etc, we may have more power now, but it still wont couple in to a collector at 90 degrees. There is something else.
Regards,
Dave.
Basically we are driving TPU backwards from what we assumed sofar. This is more or less what tao came up with before he got a mail from mannix saying he had the control and collecters the wrong way round (and then mannix comes back months later with a picture where the presumed collector get pulsed.....).
If you look at mannix picture again, you'll see that there is a second horizontal coil within the pulsed coil, and that one is the output. So it shows two horizontal coils, one gets pulsed and the other is the output. Remember squeezing the garden hose?
So what are the vertical control coils for? Maybe they pickup the pulses when they go round and adjust the timing?
Anyway the timed pulses and therefore the wave adding is the only principle sofar I can imagine to gain some power. So maybe we should design our own :))
Robert
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Dutchy,
If we send a signal in the collector and take it from the control (as we have them the wrong way round!), they are still at 90 degrees and subject to the same law!
However, the open TPU clearly does not show a collector at 90 degrees, but only in the large TPU.
Does this mean it is not necessary to have it at 90 degrees, or that what ever energy it is, can couple in any direction it wishes.
You could conclude that since neither magnetic or electric fields can interact this way, that it must be something else entirely.
If you look at mannix picture again, you'll see that there is a second horizontal coil within the pulsed coil, and that one is the output. So it shows two horizontal coils, one gets pulsed and the other is the output. Remember squeezing the garden hose?
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Hey folks.
There was a post here last night (US Eastern time) from a handle "Anybody" with about 100 posts under it. I haven't seen that handle before, so I made a note to read his/her posts today. However; it seems to have dissapeared along with all the posts.
Has anyone else noticed it?
Thanks.
I noticed it last night.
It was about four farm animals.
One animal asked for help planting seeds but the other animals refused to help.
The first animal then asked for help harvesting the crop but the other animals again refused to help.
This first animal then asked for help grinding the grain but the other animals again wouldn't help.
The first animal then baked bread and told the other animals he didn't need help eating the bread.
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Dutchy,
I remember Mannix pic, what I am saying is you can clearly see in the videos that we have coils at 90 degrees. From what mannix said, thats just something he drew as an idea.
From what I can see, its just a step down transformer. 20 turns and 1 turn or something. You could have the length of the 20 turn one and send the right frequency down it to the be the right wavelength. I have already tried this using 100 meters of wire coiled up and send 3Mhz pulses down it with a single loop inbedded in it to be "squeezed". I saw nothing strange.
Dave.
To be precise he said it's not Stevens, he didn't say it was his, but that don't matter.
I think the drawings aren't from mannix at all......
3 Mhz seems far to low as a frequency to obtain waveadding. Remember those waves go round at lightspeed! If you look at the example given its more like 300-900 Mhz to achieve the wavefront adding. The wavefront adding and timing is crucial. And I agree as long as you haven't got the right frequency the wave adding doesn't happen and you will only have a step down transformer.
I'm at work, haven't got the drawing but if you do have a look at the example calculation.
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I noticed it last night.
It was about four farm animals.
One animal asked for help planting seeds but the other animals refused to help.
The first animal then asked for help harvesting the crop but the other animals again refused to help.
This first animal then asked for help grinding the grain but the other animals again wouldn't help.
The first animal then baked bread and told the other animals he didn't need help eating the bread.
Looks like Mannix way of saying BYE BYE
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I noticed it last night.
It was about four farm animals.
One animal asked for help planting seeds but the other animals refused to help.
The first animal then asked for help harvesting the crop but the other animals again refused to help.
This first animal then asked for help grinding the grain but the other animals again wouldn't help.
The first animal then baked bread and told the other animals he didn't need help eating the bread.
Looks like Mannix way of saying BYE BYE
I was looking through my rss browser and found:
There once was a little red hen who lived on a farm. The hen's friends were a little black dog, a big orange cat, and a little yellow goose. One day, the red hen found some grains of wheat. "I can make bread from this," thought the red hen.
After looking around I found the following site with the same kids tale.
http://pbskids.org/lions/help/
It basically says if you guys arn't going to help I am going to keep everything to myself. As Cartman would say, "Screw you guys. I'm going home!"
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::)
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Oh well, anyhow.
Kosh: If you would plz, I would like to know the size of your ring, wire size and how you wound it so I can check this out. I just wound a coil with old cat5 cable which had four twisted pairs in it. Sadly its worse than the rest. I need some positive here, I dont know where to go now with all my ideas spent.
sugra
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Dutchy,
I remember Mannix pic, what I am saying is you can clearly see in the videos that we have coils at 90 degrees. From what mannix said, thats just something he drew as an idea.
From what I can see, its just a step down transformer. 20 turns and 1 turn or something. You could have the length of the 20 turn one and send the right frequency down it to the be the right wavelength. I have already tried this using 100 meters of wire coiled up and send 3Mhz pulses down it with a single loop inbedded in it to be "squeezed". I saw nothing strange.
Dave.
To be precise he said it's not Stevens, he didn't say it was his, but that don't matter.
I think the drawings aren't from mannix at all......
3 Mhz seems far to low as a frequency to obtain waveadding. Remember those waves go round at lightspeed! If you look at the example given its more like 300-900 Mhz to achieve the wavefront adding. The wavefront adding and timing is crucial. And I agree as long as you haven't got the right frequency the wave adding doesn't happen and you will only have a step down transformer.
I'm at work, haven't got the drawing but if you do have a look at the example calculation.
Dutchy, it depends on the length of your wire.
Light travels at 300,000,000 meters per second. My frequency was 3,000,000 Hz so my wire is 100 meters long. How else will the wave fronts be aligned so they can add?
Mannix was the length he needed in the example for the frequency he had.
Dave.
It's not about the length of the wire but about the circumfence of the coil!!!! so instead of 100 meters it is about 1 meter (roughly), hence 300 Mhz and not 3 Mhz.
Robert
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Guy's
I have most of the later posts saved.
This what you looking for?
Virus
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Dutchy, I must be dumb!
Mannix says the wavelength of one turn is 1 meter. His chosen frequency is then of course 300Mhz because light travels at 300,000,000 m/s? What did I miss?
The max frequency my gen will go to is 3Mhz, so I made a length of 100m. The width is not important, the width is just whatever it happens to be after you coil one wavelength up.
All it means is I only get one set of wavefronts.
Read it again!
D.
At the risc of being slaughtered by your knowledge :), here is how i see it:
He's trying to put one (or more) wavelength in each loop op the coil. Not one wavelength in the whole coil. So to get a wave in each loop you need lightspeed divided by 1 meter = 300.000.000 Hz . This then needs to be very precisely timed so all those waves are on the same position at the same time to add up. That is exactly what the example shows too: a coil with circumfence of 1 meter needs 300 mhz pulsing (no matter how many loops there are and how long the wire is)
Hope I made myself clear, else have a look at the drawing.....
Robert
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Dutchy,
By the way, your comment about about sluaghtering you, derogotary or otherwise, I dont mean to appear all knowing since I certainly am not, as I have said before, I have qualifications in electronics and radio, but I am just a hobbiest, same as you, looking for FE.
Dave.
I know I was just kidding, I noticed you have a very wide range of knowledge. But on the other hand I know my share and if I wouldn't I would shut up. (unlike some others....)
Is it easy to get a 300 Mhz oscillator where you are?
Robert
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Roland Schinzinger
Ph.D.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
Dear Stephen,
... To further our discussion, the reason you can not use small transformers within or at close proximity to your unit is because of the leakage fields of magnetic flux. They induce currents into nearby circuitry and most likely cause frequency changes in the operating point of the control unit. Remember when you inject even a small frequency component into sensitive frequency dependant equipment you can have a disaster. That is exactly what I believe is occurring when you try to use a transformer close to your units. There will be all kinds of harmonics present within this field extending past the radio frequency range. If I were to compare the two I would say that toroidal transformers would be more susceptible. This may be contrary to common thought. Toroidal transformers have all their flux aligned with the grain of the steel used in them. This is the reason for their reduced size as compared with E I cores. When operated at higher flux density you can permit a smaller core. Toroids will always saturate quickly, however, E I transformers ramp up to saturation levels slowly. If anything, I would suggest you work with E I rather then Toroids. In either case I believe you will find that you will have to place the inverter well outside the collector coils.
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Hi Dave,
I found that link, information on the elemental rods:- http://jeanyves.hervouet.free.fr/JapRod/,
I don't know how i came across this, but im glad i did.
@Kosh, you used bifilar windings, great. How did you end up connecting the 4 segments? are they in series, e.g
--c1--to--c2--to--c3--to--c4--, that is there all connected, or did you connect it as per Tesla Patent --c1--to--c3--, --c2--to--c4--, which is two connected 180 degrees from each other.
So I don't get confused, the bifilar windings, they are your collector coils, and the control coil is you output right? and this is blue?
In Lindsays clear pic of second one, he has a finer coil wound around bifilar, which at this point i'm going to call that the output, and the bifilar windings going all around the bottom ring is the collector coil and the magnet coils are the control coils, Is this correct? Because in your setup then your control coil isnt there, but your using pulses.
Just want to save some confusion guys, so we understand what all the coils are named.
Dom
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sorry i just read my post i mean your control coil is what your pulsing into the toroid. that is into the bifilar
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Yes, the user Anbody
is Lindsay Mannix.
Here you can see his latest postings:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
The last one was at:
October 05, 2006, 05:08:24 AM
I still have a SQL Database backup from yeasterday,
but I firsthave to find out, how I can read the postings
from it without installing a forum around it.
Does anybody know, if there is something like a SQL content viewer program ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I use MSacces for the import the thread print to a 1 column db. Then I just do my sql that way. Slick trick that works.
--giantkiller
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Hi Kosh,
I looked at you pic again, so your control coil is the blue , because i can see that your pulsing this.
And your bifilar is your collector, hmmm
See I'm referring to 2nd prototype, the bifilar I believe in his is the one thats being pulsed, so we will call this the control coil,
The output coil is which is the finer wire is wound one segment around the bifilar, so am I correct its 180degrees, so like a transformer.
And the magnets which SM places ontop, is the ctrl coils, which are just underneath it.
Could you do me a favour and pulse the bifilar, but rig your bifilar coils 180 deg , i.e like Tesla Patent ---c1---c3--
--c2--c3--, pulse these two with different and same freq.
Wind another finer coil which is your output coil around one of the segments of bifilar coils.
Then see what results you get.
Dom
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Hi Dave,
... In Lindsays clear pic of second one, he has a finer coil wound around bifilar, which at this point i'm going to call that the output, and the bifilar windings going all around the bottom ring is the collector coil and the magnet coils are the control coils, Is this correct? Because in your setup then your control coil isnt there, but your using pulses.
Stephan and all,
... 1 metre of lamp wire(twinflex) wrapped with thin insulated wire..it takes about half an hour. you will get sore fingers!
Drive the thin wire with low frequency sinewave and check out the result from the lamp wire!
I would not have expected pulsed high frequency from this setup.
Lindsay Mannix
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Dutchy,
We seem to have come full circle. We have been talking about effects of rotating field, etc. But we again come back to basic question. What ever energy we can build up in the rotating field, how will it couple in to the collector coil, which from the video, we can now confirm is wound at 90 degrees to the excitor or control coils.
So, lets say that I find some magic mix of frequency as SM says which creates a new signal which is stronger than the some of its parts, I still cannot couple it in to the collector coil. In normal terms these coils will really act as if the other isnt even there, apart from some capacitance interaction which is really minimal.
Even if I have this single wire which a "kick", the energy will not couple in to a coil at 90 degrees.
So whats going on here?
SM says it is using things that are in normal science and can be easily shown. I know of nothing that will allow a coil interaction at 90 degrees, it goes against the most basic laws.
So perhaps this kick is this so called radiant discharge, which we have yet to proove even exists.
Or the rotating field creates some other effect which allows the collector to take energy from else where and they are not even meant to interact.
So far, none of the theorys we have talked about will allow this coil interaction, apart of course from radiant discharges, but, who can show me one?
Dave.
Hi, I am speaking kindly here...
I had previously posted the pic of the magnetic bulldozer to help show the magnetic pressures. It went against your electronic knowledge. I had posted a pic that also tried the show how the SM coils sit in the earth flux planes and how possibly those fields can be manipulated. @marco had posted positively to these. Thanks. I had a thought that the toroid field might look like a toilet flushing. Yes I know, a funny example, but electronically everybody is on this circut like 'a pitbull picnic'. Now at wits end the transition to the next level has started. Everybody is questioning what is next or what's happening. Well great aircraft mechanics aren't always involved with air dropping food to the hungry outposts. I am consistently looking at the magnetic fields. My previous posts and pix have magnified this. I believe all the circuits and tests are doing things very close to SM coils. Now it is time to look at the fields. And if I was any part of exiling anybody then I have shame.
@kosh, the kicks looks good.
@Dave, I see you are using the same 4 channel driver cicuit. That gives me hope. I am still using mine. I've come to far with one to trash it.
I am working on more field diagrams to depict was is happening.
--giantkiller. It is not the circuit but the mysterious output.
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Hi Lindsay,
Good to see you back, I was checking second proto pics again, and I could be wrong, but testing combinatins at this stage is a good thing. I was just thinking same thing.
the 2nd proto has this thin wire, so we pulse this, which is wrapped around the large bifilar, which is like your twin cable setup.
Cool.
I'm writing this for record purposes, this will be combination I will try first:-
the output/collector coil is bifilar.
the finer coil wound around this will be my control coil
Thanks Again,
Dom
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Hi Dave,
... In Lindsays clear pic of second one, he has a finer coil wound around bifilar, which at this point i'm going to call that the output, and the bifilar windings going all around the bottom ring is the collector coil and the magnet coils are the control coils, Is this correct? Because in your setup then your control coil isnt there, but your using pulses.
Stephan and all,
... 1 metre of lamp wire(twinflex) wrapped with thin insulated wire..it takes about half an hour. you will get sore fingers!
Drive the thin wire with low frequency sinewave and check out the result from the lamp wire!
I would not have expected pulsed high frequency from this setup.
Lindsay Mannix
Hi MRD10,
Sorry for the confusion. I should have "from a previous post of Lindsay Mannix" rather than "Lindsay Mannix".
When I was reading that first quote above I remembered something that Lindsay wrote and so went back and found it. I've been working with four coils for months but had forgotten about the finer coil wound around the bifilar. This gives me a new direction for research.
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Rob, as you know I am just outside london. I mean, I can buy one or build one, its just more money! Can you get those little 1cm^2 package oscillators that high? I think they dont go that high, just to about 64Mhz or something I think. Or I could tap the local oscillator in my VHF/UHF radio?
Dave.
The solid state oscillator do go that high but you cant adjust them (or very coarse)
I guess we need something easy adjustable as we need to tune near the frequency and probably not go dead on , so i would go for the radio oscillator.
So you wanna have a go at this idea then?
Robert
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Rob,
Just thought, my scope only goes to 20Mhz. I cannot afford anything more, this one cost enough as it is! So I wont be able to view these signals.
Dave.
Is it absolutely necessary to measure those fast signals, according to the theory shouldn't there be DC coming from the output coil? Just tune the oscillator and see how much dc comes out. A lot of power is my guess,just imagine a generator rotating at lightspeed. It's no wonder then that you have to stay abit away from the exact frequency.
Besides we can lower the frequency by going quarter wavelength for example. (wave adding in every fourth loop,still 75 mhz though). Or also increase the circumfence to lower the frequency.
Any other ways to slow down these waves? (will iron wire slow them down???)
Robert
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Dutchy,
I guess you are right. We can just measure the output voltage until its higest. Then make some power measurements.
We can lower the frequency, but the coil wil get too large.
So, if this is the principle, why there is 5Khz pulsed DC output? If he is using 5Khz, when on this frequency we are going to need 60 km of wire? So, something not right. Can it be two waves are send and they are slightly off so they dont add totally and over run, and they leave a difference of 5Khz. As he says the frequencys are very high and are just a means to an end.
But for waves to add, we must have 100%. But then if SM found some magic mix, who knows. I will know more once I have these two white noise generators to mix.
Dave.
Hmmm, you could be on to something there but it has to be done so that all the waves in the loops end up at the same spot on the circumfence. I have to think that through....
Well I'm gone for today.....Let you know my thoughts on that tomorrow....
cu l8ter
Robert
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I watched this video again. http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=333661567309752927&q=steven+marks
Steven says repeatably that the electricity is 6000Hz. This video also shows two rings as opposed to a solid toroid. It's to bad that home video cameras in the 90's had such a fuzzy picture.
Comster
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Dutchy,
I guess you are right. We can just measure the output voltage until its higest. Then make some power measurements.
We can lower the frequency, but the coil wil get too large.
So, if this is the principle, why there is 5Khz pulsed DC output? If he is using 5Khz, when on this frequency we are going to need 60 km of wire? So, something not right. Can it be two waves are send and they are slightly off so they dont add totally and over run, and they leave a difference of 5Khz. As he says the frequencys are very high and are just a means to an end.
But for waves to add, we must have 100%. But then if SM found some magic mix, who knows. I will know more once I have these two white noise generators to mix.
Dave.
Hi all,
nice going,
I had posted something about this long ago about the magnetic interference of the 2 toroidial fields impacting each other. I was thinking about counter rotating fields but that won't get you the vortex action that Marco was contemplating. The difference might be, in the magnetic fields, a very aggrevated effect. The closer the fields the lower the difference. If the difference is what the coils are tuned to and make it the 7.8hz arena we could get away with a small collector? And I know some of this has been stated before by @otto, @dave, @mrd. The collector is tuned to 7.8hz or a lower harmonic and that is also the difference of the two freqs. Somebody stated prior the electronics must be easy to do the get the runtime specs. SM cranked out 6? of these of different configurations and they all worked? God, we gotta be close!
I could use some outside of this to hear what everybody thinks.
If we want to put the control windings in a ring and use the right hand rule of winding. We want the north pole to point in the direction of clockwise. With this, in all cases we have the current flowing through the control wires all flowing into and down through the center. We pulse the control windings in a clockwise direction.
So what we end up with is a clockwise, rotating magnetic field with the coil current all flowing through the center from the top down. This puts the field generation in sync with what the earth is doing or can be tuned or directed to do. Like a via duct. After all we don't make water run uphill and you don't try to nail jello to the wall.
And remember all the famous sayings of the nature that 'It can't be'. If you're stubborn that was your exit cue. Henry Ford was told that 'If a person goes faster than 20 mph they will die'.
--giantkiller. I, for one, am not dead yet!
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Hi GK,
Good analogy about the jello and pushing up hill, I've got an idea which i'm going to follow, and something the mflynn44 posted last night, look at the 2 ring version, i.e 91 volts, that Lindsay gave us, then Dave eloborated on, this looks to easy to build, so im following that one.
These are the combinations, im going with, and I will be building several, so I don't have to keep stuffing around with the same one:-
--c1--c2--c3--c4-- = bifilar = output/collector coil, wrap thin wire around this, which will be control coil, i.e were pulsing into.
--c1--c3--, --c2--c4-- = bifilar = output/collector, wrap thin wire around this, which will be control coil, i.e were pulsing into
Now after looking at the clear pic, I noticed a white wire going of to the left of the bifilar coil, around the middle of the photo, this suggests to me that, the segments are wired in series, and they are only wound once around the ring, so again, I will build two as per above, now if you have image viewer and open up the image of this clear pic, zoom his hand till it matches roughly your own, then youhave a guide of how big the ring will have to be.
The thin wire that is wound wrapped in parallel with the larger bifilar winding.
Anyway hope this helps the Coil builders out there.
Sincerely,
Dom
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Hi Guys sorry,
I got this reply from Lindsay, and I hope he is still with us, again I should read my replies more often, Again I do apologies Lindsay, as I only read this recently, and please don't shoot me for sending this to everyone, If it gets us back on track, i'll be happy:-
Dom,
I think that you need to read the first half of this thread entirely and SLOWLY.
take your time ther's lots there
You are dragging impatient ,new ones like yourself over old ground and slowing the progress. I am also worried that you have no experience with high voltage rf.
Other forums have started because of this and it is not just you. If you go thru it and accept that we do not and cannot learn all at once you may realize that many people have been here for 10 months and silly questions like bifilar and drawings that are wrong do not belong in the main thread.
The only people that are responding to you are those who are late commers and have also not read the thread.
the last post that you think was stevens latest was way way back... cut and pasted, so foot off the pedal uh?
Dont just post your imaginings.. do some experiments...get in the grove .. you write well.Make it work.
any way I gave you a direction which you completely ignored.
I admire your enthuesasim but slow down then catch up. Be a part of the solution.You will see what i mean if you do it.
I also screwed up by giving otto the wrong impression.
I have emailed him as well.
We will see what happens.
I will tell you something..I think that the reason that we do not have these devices is that when the inventor tried to explain..nobody would listen. They just wanted a free energy machine.
Lindsay Mannix
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Hi GK,
Good analogy about the jello and pushing up hill, I've got an idea which i'm going to follow, and something the mflynn44 posted last night, look at the 2 ring version, i.e 91 volts, that Lindsay gave us, then Dave eloborated on, this looks to easy to build, so im following that one.
These are the combinations, im going with, and I will be building several, so I don't have to keep stuffing around with the same one:-
--c1--c2--c3--c4-- = bifilar = output/collector coil, wrap thin wire around this, which will be control coil, i.e were pulsing into.
--c1--c3--, --c2--c4-- = bifilar = output/collector, wrap thin wire around this, which will be control coil, i.e were pulsing into
Now after looking at the clear pic, I noticed a white wire going of to the left of the bifilar coil, around the middle of the photo, this suggests to me that, the segments are wired in series, and they are only wound once around the ring, so again, I will build two as per above, now if you have image viewer and open up the image of this clear pic, zoom his hand till it matches roughly your own, then youhave a guide of how big the ring will have to be.
The thin wire that is wound wrapped in parallel with the larger bifilar winding.
Anyway hope this helps the Coil builders out there.
Sincerely,
Dom
The c1-c3 combo is the config of the 390721 patent
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Yes thats right GK,
We have some experimenting to do, Looking at second proto again, he mentions that this is nothing to do with bifilar and way coils are wound, so he might be right in saying that.
I've gone back to first 20 or so posts, with correspondence between Lindsay and Steve and I will be reviewing this information again, we may have missed the point entirely here.
And I will try and listen
Dom
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@Dave
You got that right. Perhaps a rotating field is exactly whats needed. The hard part is finding the solution to the problem. I am changing gears with some of my thoughts and want to test different designs of coils. Hans Coler's device was using coils around plates that were interpreted as perhaps capacitors. When they cut apart the TPU it looks like 2 rings with filler in between. Correlation? Perhaps, only experimentation can show a result.
@Everyone
Keep up the good work.
Comster
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This moves so fast that most here don't bother to notice what is happening in the other threads.
Someone posted a schematic of a device which seems to be very similar to the SM device. Its called the Rene-Rator
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
"Every second wave, marked red, coming from the output coils is the actuator pulse for the 'input' coils to block the magnetic field of the permanent magnets. The permanent magnetic field retracts from the core inducing a current flow in the output coils. After the input 'pulse' is gone, the permanent magnet will restore the magnetic field in the core, causing a 'back-emf' in the output coils."
The only link to this rene-rator is found here, and they claim it is based on an even older design from 1871.
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087)
People don't wan't free energy it seems.
As i see it, this device works.
There is only a short pulse used to distort the magnetic field.
When the magnetic field returns to normal, the energy of it doing so, is collected. Hence, at the same time the energy is used to put a spike into the other circuit. This goes round and round. It looks like a resonating circuit which amplifies itself.
This is as simple as it can be. but nobody seems to see this?
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This moves so fast that most here don't bother to notice what is happening in the other threads.
Someone posted a schematic of a device which seems to be very similar to the SM device. Its called the Rene-Rator
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
"Every second wave, marked red, coming from the output coils is the actuator pulse for the 'input' coils to block the magnetic field of the permanent magnets. The permanent magnetic field retracts from the core inducing a current flow in the output coils. After the input 'pulse' is gone, the permanent magnet will restore the magnetic field in the core, causing a 'back-emf' in the output coils."
The only link to this rene-rator is found here, and they claim it is based on an even older design from 1871.
http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087 (http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2087)
People don't wan't free energy it seems.
As i see it, this device works.
There is only a short pulse used to distort the magnetic field.
When the magnetic field returns to normal, the energy of it doing so, is collected. Hence, at the same time the energy is used to put a spike into the other circuit. This goes round and round. It looks like a resonating circuit which amplifies itself.
This is as simple as it can be. but nobody seems to see this?
I had posted a flash file to show the rotating poles. But I realize that I need to show the fields.
I am working on the graphics right now. and then an avi.
--giantkiller.
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Hello
I'm a newbie, so patience, please.
Sorry for my bad english, also...
Making some experience with my magnet/coils/compass setup, I have noted this rotating effect of the needle of a compass with only ONE coil.
In the attached video you can see this experiment.
A pulsed signal of few Hz (2-4 Hz) in a coil does a rotating effect in a compass over
the coil. The rotating velocity increase with the frequency from 2 to 4 Hz;
beyond this freq. the needle of the compass stop with only some vibrations.
Signal: 2-3-4 Hz AC pulsed
Amplitude: from 5 to 15 volt peaktopeak
Coil: lenght 6 cm inner diam 0.5 cm outer diam.3cm copper 0.2mm iron inside
The coil's line field (magnetic) are parallel to the longitudinal axis of the coil,
like in a solenoid, so why this magnetic vortex at 90??
Now, about SM, I think this rotating compass is only an effect, not the cause.
The right answer is: why we have this rotating magnetic field ?
Icarus
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Kosh: Thanks for the info. Starting my 4 12hr nites now so will be off. Had expected the coil to be around 6" or so but hey, if it works dont fix it. ;D
This is for the group as a whole. I ask that we refrain from things like the wise crack about dissing on the guru. It brings no worth except to piss off the very one we need to have here. Remember, this is all a volentary effort on the part of Lindsay. I certainly know what 300 watts of transmit power feels like. It is a burning sensation, not a shock per se. Still hurts and makes for a serious sore afterwards. I caught myself going over wires and such checking connections and had that coil been resonating, well not good. From here on out, a test of the power output is essential for safety.
On a side note, I did have a coil setup that had 200 turns on the driven side and 12 on the output side wrapped on a magnet. Normally that would function as a down converter. At 1.5v p/p input, the output to the scope was >20. That was a definate encouragement to me. On ward.
sugra
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As we speak a friend of mine (electrical engineer) is building it. He too is convinced it works.
Let's just wait and see. :D Have you build it yet ?
What i think happens is this. The magnetic field of the permanent magnet is distorted. When the field gets back into shape, the energy from the changing field is collected. Because a permanent magnet has a constant field strenght (unlike transformers, where you create a field that you later dissipate). You should be able to draw huge currents in that single pulse, when the magnetic field gets back into shape, because the permanent magnet will rebuild his field, no matter what.
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Here's some food for thought:
I found an old reference to the SM device that mentioned that "resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil".
Read up on Lorentz forces (as i recall this is what causes transformers to "hum" - i.e. a mechanical force) and then "Laplace force" and found this:
http://science-on-stage.web.cern.ch/science-on-stage/Webcatalog/Greece/greece7.htm
What if the device itself is resonating - flexing in and out? Tuning would be a function of the coil mass, coil wire length, and cross-sectional aspect ratio (is it really round?).
Whenever the coil vibrates - it interacts with the magnetic field of the magnet. Coil output would be based on the rate of change and amount of flux. Might be preety sweet if the frequency is high enough...
Any comments?
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Hello JackFrost,
using the Lorentz-forces under Laplace-conditions:
Nikolas Christofilos(also -effect):"the Tesla of the 50?" ,
"H.A.A.R.P.-daddy"
magnet coil
A tool for the Stellarator/Betatron.
S
dL
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Here's some food for thought:
I found an old reference to the SM device that mentioned that "resonance is established using the
mechanical (Lorentz) forces developed in the coil".
Read up on Lorentz forces (as i recall this is what causes transformers to "hum" - i.e. a mechanical force) and then "Laplace force" and found this:
http://science-on-stage.web.cern.ch/science-on-stage/Webcatalog/Greece/greece7.htm
What if the device itself is resonating - flexing in and out? Tuning would be a function of the coil mass, coil wire length, and cross-sectional aspect ratio (is it really round?).
Whenever the coil vibrates - it interacts with the magnetic field of the magnet. Coil output would be based on the rate of change and amount of flux. Might be preety sweet if the frequency is high enough...
Any comments?
Where is this old reference located?
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Rob,
Waves adding and mannix diagram are different things by the way. The normal waves must be in 100% electrical and spacial phase to add. Mannix drawing was more about this squeezing effect.
Dave.
Yes but SM nevertheless talked about the interesting things about xformers out of phase. Not in phase... or connected in reverse of one another.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another. Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output
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I have to say this by the way:
I'm pretty well friggin disgusted with how this has gone. SM posts something via Mannix (WHICH WE ALL SUSPECTED BY THE WAY, PEOPLE), and we completely lose it? Chase Mannix away, and make him delete all of his posts? Luckily I have most of them saved, all the important stuff anyway.
SM came out and let it be known that he wasn't positive that it was from the EM field of the earth. BIG DEAL! It meant nothing to the development paths we were taking. It doesn't change the fact that kicks are universally attributed to the interaction with ethe earth's field. It doesn't change the fact that there's a rotational magnetic field which causes the squeezing, it doesn't change JACK SHIT about what we know about the device thus far!! NOTHING!! In fact it freed us from the logical constraints we were working under!!! We should have been thankful.
It doesn't change how we develop the kicks, or the experimenting process of discovering kicks. It doesn't change anything about it. In fact, many of us have surmised that there was a gravitational component in addition to the magnetic component, which caused the gyroscopic forces, the true cause.
When he said that the device drew energy from the earth's magnetic field, it WAS the most logical conclusion.... AND STILL IS!! If kicks are overunity, and they are attributed to interaction with the earth's EM field, it IS the most logical conclusion...
Does that mean that's all that's going on? NO WAY! Hendershott's device worked similarly and had gravitational components. T.T. Browns work dealt heavily with EM stuff, and there was a gravitational component to that as well.
Combining frequencies cause serious gravitational anomalies in John Hutchison's work...
I don't see why the HELL this was so shocking..
How fragile we are. How incredibly fragile. HE was RIGHT when he said that there was no way of confirming it at the time.. and that it was unimportant. He knew how it worked, and how to build it, and tune it. And for all we know, he was RIGHT!!
Thank you for that last post Mannix/SM, now let me squeal and bitch about leading us on like a highschool cheerleader. Those of us with equipment, and the ability to test should be exstatic that he was even still coming here. Now, when I get my equipment he will be gone.
But I will do what I can with what I have, and no hope of getting any more.... You know there was more, don't you? I mean, you guys knew that wasn't all of it that Mannix had right?
There is more in Heaven and earth then we shall ever know.
gn0stik.
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hey rich,
one more time three in parallel, two in series, "one in parallel".
lol
sam
Thanks sam, I needed that ::), but it's not quite that simple.
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Guys,
You have to look at this attached pdf file about US patent 119825 issued in... 1871. I found this thanks to a link posted by lynx2000. It is extremely interesting. Here are a few quotes from it:
"My invention relates to the combination of two or more simple or compound helices (coils - i.e.: control coils) and iron cores (collectors) or magnets in such a manner as to produce a constant electric current without the aid of a galvanic battery."
About the collector equivalent:
"The iron core may be a solid bar or a bundle of iron wire (i.e.: multi-strand wire), the latter giving higher tension..."
And guess how we start the power generation process with this setup...
"The mode of producing or starting the action in the helices consist in the use of a steel (i.e.: permanent) or electro-magnet..."
This thing can be started with a magnet!!!! And it is physically identical to the TPU : an outer coil, an inner coil, and a collector. Plus, it is easy to build, so easy to test.
Enjoy!
Jacob
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rich,
just lighten up a little, maybe steven told mannix to pull all material from this sight. heck maybe manix is steven. who knows? the facts that he put here are all still here. i'm just sorry you didn't make high priest. jees. lightenup. let's carry on. it isn't about money for me, that i havn't actually started experimenting it is about knowledge. however there is still alot of knowledge that people that post here have not experimented with yet, and some of what has already been put here could definitely be dangerous. especially when given to a bunch of newbies.
lol
sam
Actually sam, he deleted 80% of his posts. I guess you weren't aware of that little tidbit? The only ones he didn't delete are the ones he COULDN'T delete. Most of the reference material we had is gone.. He had over 100 posts when he was here, that he had built up, and now he has only 23 or something silly like that. His last post was a chastisement of us. Now, I don't know if we deserved it, or not. We didn't have all the info that he had, and he didn't share his experimental successes and failures with us, as we did openly, but I understand his anger. And frankly it pisses me off. I could care less if I'm "high priest" as you put it. I care that we preserve the resource that we had, and that we've now pissed away.
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... heck maybe manix is steven. who knows? ...
lol
sam
Sam,
You smoke too much. Or else it is very potent. :D
Jacob
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Guys,
You have to look at this attached pdf file about US patent 119825 issued in... 1871. I found this thanks to a link posted by lynx2000. It is extremely interesting. Here are a few quotes from it:
"My invention relates to the combination of two or more simple or compound helices (coils - i.e.: control coils) and iron cores (collectors) or magnets in such a manner as to produce a constant electric current without the aid of a galvanic battery."
About the collector equivalent:
"The iron core may be a solid bar or a bundle of iron wire (i.e.: multi-strand wire), the latter giving higher tension..."
And guess how we start the power generation process with this setup...
"The mode of producing or starting the action in the helices consist in the use of a steel (i.e.: permanent) or electro-magnet..."
This thing can be started with a magnet!!!! And it is physically identical to the TPU : an outer coil, an inner coil, and a collector. Plus, it is easy to build, so easy to test.
Enjoy!
Jacob
Very interesting find jacob. from the description you gave it sounds quite promising... I'll give it a read.
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Point taken sam. There are lots of quotes of SM's original stuff, sure. But it's not the same.
Although I'm not sure what you mean by the connections you are talking about in response to my pointing out what SM said about transformers in phase.. In fact, I'm not sure I've seen the particular connection setup you've mentioned at all. two in series one in parallel, sure. But not three in series first. The best he does in that direction is "or etc."
Here's the quote from SM
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc. You can run a separate frequency into each coil for better control on large power units if need be.
Also, it was more, anger at the loss of any possiblity of future SM letters. Although after talking to Mannix that may not be the case. Although, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Also, I don't believe I said I don't like you. I respect you for what you do. Iron workers amaze me to be frank. you are a rare breed. I just don't think you have much electrical knowlege. That's ok, just watch. Learn, know what you are talking about before posting. You've demonstrated that you don't really even understand the relationship between voltage and current. Again that's ok. Just learn, and watch until you get it... We don't really need a cheerleader here posting nonsense in the mean time.
Nothing personal.
If I didn't like you I wouldn't even regard you. I'd just ignore you.
Rich
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ya' know
I was reading the posts tonight about mannix / SM, when a thought occured to me.
we all know by now that one of the reasons that SM doesn't post detailed plans and instructions about his TPU is because of the danger involved with running it improperly.
well, think about it ....
wouldn't it be LESS DANGEROUS to post the ALL the info about the TPU and build it safely than let us try to figure it out in the dark like we have been trying to do ?
we aren't allowed to drive a car without some kind of driver training ...
pilots aren't allowed to fly an airplane without many hours of flight training, etc etc ...
it's true that people get killed in car & airplane accedents every day, but, I would rather get the know-how FIRST, rather than having someone throw me the keys to the car on my 16th birthday and try to figure it out for myself . lol
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Sparkman
I recall several years ago someone tried to replicate this patent and had no success. I think it was a German experimenter. I remember his pictures and the coils were not helix. I think you have uncovered a vital clue here.
Interesting things happen when you cross wires at 90 degrees.
In regards to the source of energy for the TPU, instead of the earth's magnetic field, it could be the standing wave Tesla discovered? See link below Markovich device.
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/lab/1287/markp5.html
See page 4 (also references Tesla Patent 725,605 System for Signaling)
Frequencies of 925 hertz and 500,000 hertz are commonly mentioned among FE patents
See page 6
Some more variables to play with.
tishatang
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Guy’s, Guy’s, Guy’s
@ Dave, re your post about every body riding along and only want to share in the spoils, I don’t think it’s true. Some posts back I ask for advices as what to look for in purchasing a Oscope. As you get hand held ones that can measure about 20Mhtz, and major desktop units that go way beyond, and their prices follow suet. No response.
Most people I think wont mind getting their hands dirty (sore) on winding coils, but just don’t have the means to measure anything, as mentioned a DMM will not be enough.
About 9-10 years ago I look at the Mini-Romag, it’s a device that generate it’s own electricity as long as there is a load connected to it, and is faces upwards. See Naudin’s replication attached. They use copper coated steel wires (bail wire?) wrapped around the magnets and connected to each other. Look at the way the collector coils are wired it’s series with a twist.
Gosh, I don’t know how to describe all this.
1. Can the theory or some of it not be applied to SM’s device’s.
2. Exchanged the PM for EM (coil or coil sections, 4, 6, 8, etc.), you will have a solid state device.
3. Instead of rotating the PM’s at 2100 rpm for 42 sec, use a magnet to start the EM coil, could have a startup time like SM was waiting for.
4. The EM coilS, (there are 2 rows of magnets), if they are moved to the outside of the collector, could fit the profile of the big unit in one of the SM photo’s.
5. This unit of ? 2 inches’ generates 3.5v at 7 amps.
You guy's with the theoretical know how can converm if it can work.
After watching a clip on You tube about HAARP yesterday, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IciWImOpxcI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IciWImOpxcI)I own SM and the guy’s a serious apology for mouthing of the other day, (it was more out of frustration on my side wanting to do these things and not getting any where.)
I now for once understand the implications these things could have if it is not monitored closely and kept under check and controlled responsibly.
SM and MANNIX (etc). I apologies.
Virus
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Dear all,
Please listen to the attached wav file.
I find it very interesting. You string out a piece of steel wire 30 feet long. At the end you have a magnetic pickup placed next to it. You amplfy this signal and listen.
What can it be? Lighting, the earths fieid? Vibrations in the steel wire again the magnet? Can it be used to start an oscillation? Feed some of it back?!
Some of it sounds like its in an echo chamber, but this can be the 30 foot wire moving?
Dave.
Can't listen to it here at work. Can you describe what you you make of it?
Any possibility you can scan the book and make it available?
Still reading all the old SM/mannix posts. I start to think more and more that mechanical vibration is an important part in the TPU. Why else the jumper lead experiment? That point to a mechanical kick.....
Robert
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Dave
Thanx for your response on the oscopes, is their any good in the PC scopes ? I am just thinking in lines of getting more functionality out of it for the same price ?
Did you see that Naudin got the Mini-Romag working ?
I will start shopping for a scope, looks like missing out on all the play ! Will put some mesh in front of the windows first, at least it should help a bit if my wife gets hold of it.
Virus
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KOSH, regarding McFarland COOK coil. Thanks but I already collected all the information from that site when doing my early research on the device. If you have any other references I will be happy to look at them. This person did not use compounded Helices. He used lots of turns in standard solenoid form. Creating two helices from the same wire at right angles to each other is what I am referring to. This creates the two magnetic fields at right angles. The tone of the writer of this patent is another point. He sounds like a genuine experimenter just describing what he has found to be true. He doesn't really know why it works the way it does. Sorry to clog this thread, I just thought the magnetic fields working at right angles using a compound helical method of winding a coil is unique. Thanks also to Tishatang, glad you see what I am referring to.
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People don't wan't free energy it seems.
As i see it, this device works.
There is only a short pulse used to distort the magnetic field.
When the magnetic field returns to normal, the energy of it doing so, is collected. Hence, at the same time the energy is used to put a spike into the other circuit. This goes round and round. It looks like a resonating circuit which amplifies itself.
This is as simple as it can be. but nobody seems to see this?
When I first saw the ReneRator, I thought this forum would be jumping all over it as the missing link, but they just ignored it.
The theory makes sense.
From a physical perspective, the ReneRator is closer to the SM device than anything anybody has found yet. The placements of the coils, the gap between them matches the physical pics we have of his device.
In the video of SM cutting up the coil, it seems that he was only showing one half of the device, probably so not to give too much away.
My theory - The SM devices with the black tape covering them are two coils places on top of each other, similar in design to the ReneRator with the outputs coil each collecting from the coil underneath on their particular side. And each side requires a magnet, just as in the SM videos.
The only thing that I don't understand is the theory behind why SM needed a solid state circuitry and frequency selector for his devices. Is it just to stop some sort of out of control oscillation? Or does it perform some required function that is actually needed to see energy output? Or is the circuit for just controlling the input pulses?
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Yes, Dave since the writer has already used electrical terminology to describe "inrush current", why would he use the word "kick" unless he meant some kind of mechanical reorientation. He could have said backrush current or back EMF or delayed return pulse.
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@aupersam,
hey everyone,
lots of very smart, newbies.
thanks newbies,
lol
sam
Your a stupid dipshit, you know that? That's why you will never figure it out. Some newbie can come on here an spell it out to you and you still won't be able to see the light because your head is up your arse. Just like the know it all's on the magnetic motor section of this forum - tell them exactly how to do it and they still can't figure it out, but the damn thing will keep spinning in front of me.
No wonder Mannix left. People like you have created a "ship of fools".
"Freaks of nature" like you have never even heard of a scorch field (allows direct manipulation of the phi and A fields - aka time and space), much less have the balls to create one, but you think you will create a rotating magnetic field by hacking Telsa's old motor patent - ROFLMFAO!!! Look at the SM's four coils. The coils on opposite sides from each other experience the Lorentz Force between them - stick that in your pipe and smoke on it! coils 1 and 3 attract each other, squeezing the output coil, - this "squeeze" alternates between 1-3 and 2-4.
BTW - that compass spinning in the center of a toroid with four coils on it is called a "toroidal torque motor" - been around for 100 years and it will never self-run.
So, I will say it one more time, since you are a bit thick: "mechanical oscillation"
Read all about it:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magint.html#c1
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/forwir.html#c1
Who's the newbie now, little "mr know it all"?
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Perhaps I miss something, if I have, please explain where the extra energy will come from to replace the losses?
The law of conservation of energy blah blah states that there can never be extra energy to cover the losses. If I was to insist on demanding such an explanation then I must believe free energy devices do not exist. So why would I even be on this forum?
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The other thing I was thinking of is the rumour that a battery is required to start the SM device. Don't dismiss the possibility - what if a small battery is just required to generate the initial input pulse or kick, which is then amplified through the system and kept in motion by the collapsing and expanding of the magnetic fields.
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Perhaps I miss something, if I have, please explain where the extra energy will come from to replace the losses?
The law of conservation of energy blah blah states that there can never be extra energy to cover the losses. If I was to insist on demanding such an explanation then I must believe free energy devices do not exist. So why would I even be on this forum?
Very well, I clearly know nothing at all.
Please sir, show me your working Rene device.
So, if we beleive it can run with out covering the losses, what exactly will it run on, if its not energy in one form or another?
Regards,
Dave.
You know far more than me Dave and I enjoy all your posts as I learn something. But sometimes fresh perspective is needed and not to dismiss all possiblities. Huge effort has been expended in this forum exploring routes that were in the opposite direction of SM advice.
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Hi everyone,
Think about this. We had copper and magnets before we had the water wheel. Then when we had all that, nobody put the magnets on the axils to swipe past the copper. Why? Same argument that Lister received when he talked about little creatures invading our bodies. The common cry of pomposity is "If you can't see it, it doesn't exist". And "Don't tell me! I got more power than you and I will call the shots".
Keep this thread going. Yes, let us bash our heads against our fists. Lets throw punches at others. Whatever it takes to break through our boundaries of ignorance. All of societies great achievements came from great people who had to Fight the good fight!
Hey, if it was easy, chimpanzees would be traveling in canoes!
--giantkiller. ;)
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If we look at this book SM mentions:
"The resistance of a cold fillament is one tenth that of a hot one, so the cold inrush current is ten times higher than the operating current. The inrush current through the fillament interacts with the earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick."
Now, this is the book SM tells us about and the book directly says the inrush current is caused by the resistance being lower, than its operating temperature. This is the normal cause for inrush current, which is confirmed in this book too!
It does NOT say the inrush is caused by the earths field. BUT INSTEAD it says the INRUSH IS CAUSED BY LOWER RESISTANCE IN THE FILLAMENT, WHICH THEN INTERACTS WITH THE EARTHS FIELD TO CAUSE A SMALL KICK!
So, I have been looking at this inrush issue all wrong. There is definatly something else.
Dave.
Hello All,
I just started looking at this setup SM suggested using a high voltage center tapped transformer, a separate five volt filament transformer, a full-wave solid state rectifier, and a rectifier tube with a directly heated cathode. Sometime back I had bought two old radios from e-Bay. Both were Atwater Kent (a model 37 and a model 40) for less than $US100 for both. They have high voltage center tapped transformers. I'm using a type 80 tube rectifier that came with one of the radios rather than the 5U4 SM recommends. I will experiment later with the 5U4; there are several of them around here someplace. When in operation there is a low pressure mercury plasma within the 5U4.
A related topic... My understanding is that the four bifilar coils are each loosely wrapped with another magnet wire coil and this magnet wire coil has a smaller magnet wire coil attached at one corner. This arrangement of three coils has to do with the "kick" we are searching for. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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A related topic... My understanding is that the four bifilar coils are each loosely wrapped with another magnet wire coil and this magnet wire coil has a smaller magnet wire coil attached at one corner. This arrangement of three coils has to do with the "kick" we are searching for. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Hi, I must have missed that? From what I can see we only know what we can see in the video. SM has not comment on the small device, only the large one?
If it is so, its interesting because it confirms 90 degree coupling in the small device too.
Dave.
@Dave,
Makes me think SM was using the "Collector Coil" as a TDR line and timing (or just providing more and hoping) the reflections with the next pulse to cause a "Kick", I am figuring that as the reflected pulse comes back another pulse is sent off which passes and adds to the reflected pulse. Using a feedback coil one could create a gain situation I am thinking.
This seems to be what Kosh may be experiencing now with one control coil and the collector.
I know this is more "I think" or theory but we must use this to further our experiements right?
I am also theoriziong that with a TDR line for the collector (open coil) and using the Tesla generator wiring concept along with the outter collector (the coil that is wrapped around the whole torrid) would put us in resonace. I was looking at the patent and at Tao's diagram for the coils and was thinking, isn't the TPU a modification of tesla's Generator design? Take a look, the outter coil could be the armature only stationary. In the patent Tesla says that by slowing the rotation you could increase the curent produced. What if stopping it you would still generate power since the magnetic field is rotating but it would not be AC but a DC component now? (squeezing the hose)
Take a look at the armature coil orientation to the control coils in the patent, they are orientated as we understand transformer coupling. The control coils are 90 degrees to the core of the torrid but instead of containing the field with an iron core, the wire core allows it to radiate and with the TDR effect you can increase the field. strength.
Also by adding another collector to the setup, which is isolated it might also collect or be used as a feed back pickup to the signal source??
Some thoughts is all these are, I am going to try these ideas out myself this weekend (I hope) gotta wind a new coil setup for this one.
I forgot to mention that the outer coil would be our power collector in this theory.
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Kosh,
have you tried adding in another control coil yet to the mix? Was wondering if that would increase the frequency or the kicks power.
BTW, great results, another step towards the solution!
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Dave,
Partial wavelength, we don't require a full wave tranmission line, Besides I think the transmission line will help us along here, I have pulsed in 200khz into my first coil and get back close to 3Mhz in sinewave? This is based on about 18ft of 16ga lamp cord used as the collector with 30ga for the control coil. I have a feeling we can get close with the wire length and use the audio frequencies (sweep them) to find a harmonic to use.
We are just continuosly adding more pulses to create bigger kicks, so if the partial wavelength or harmonic creates a bit more loss, so what, we are still gaining right? Combine this with multiple control or tickler coils and we get bunches of pulses (the more the merrier).
I am intersted in knowing, and will check this out also, what induction we can get between 2 collector coils? Using another as the feedback pickup to the tank circuit to generate the pulses we require to run this. Also is the term collector directed to the collection of the pulses? :) and not necessarily the actual usable output?
BTW, What do you think of the similarities to the Tesla generator patent design? I find it verrry interesting.
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Hi Carl,
We maybe adding pulses to the previous pulse, but we still had to put each pulse in, and since each one looses energy when reflected, even after 100 reflections and addings, we dont have more than we collectively put IN in total. In other words, we put in 100 pulses, and in the end, each pulse has lost 1%. So, if we put in 1000watts, we will be left with 900watts? Because each reflection looses 1 watt? We may have a great big pulse at the end, but its not more than we collectively used if we add up the energy from each pulse we put in?
There can be visual similarities between the patent. But, from where can the extra come? I dont see it myself, although I was hopeful when Otto talked about the self rotating compass.
Dave.
Well Dave I see your point, but I am not sure either, but we need to try this and see what we get I think. Besides remember your own experiement where the phase matched pulses add to more than their original values. This may play an important role in this.
My thought regarding the Tesla patent is that we are combining a few concepts here, the TDR to generate more field, the 4 control coils to create the rotating field in the collector coil(s)and the armature coil variation which is wrapped around the entire torrid (which I am thinking is the true output coil here) to generate the DC component with an AC minor component due to the induced kicks, the control coil provides these.
If we feed back some of the collector coils pulses to a tank circuit we get self running (sounds a bit like perpetual motion but we use a small 555 osc to start this puppy up and who knows???
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Hi guys,
This is my first note, but i have read all notes past back. Sorry for my poor english, but it is not my native language. First of all i want to thank to SM & LM for that amazing thing. I think they gave us everything they could do.
In my opinion the group is now little bit out of track. Allow me to quote from SM.
"...If the wires are run in series then you will get 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same...."
What do you think about it? Could we do it simultaneously? Yes, we can! If we cut the wire to small pieces, after that soldering a group parallel and the next group also parallel and the soldered group serial. In that case we will get high voltage and high current also.
Don' forget: it is LITZ WIRE! Every each fibre is insulated. It is hard work I know, but worth to do.
I hope you can use that.
Regards
Kacor
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Does anyone know what the legs are that appear on this TPU or perhaps the distance between the plates?
C0mster
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Dave
I also notice here when he puts the magnets on it to "start the device" the unit tips from the pressure of him placing on the magnet. I am wondering what the rings are really made from. One would think as he brought the magnet closer, the unit would lift just before the magnet touched. Unless the rings are not magnetic.
C0mster
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Hi Guys,
I'm still very active here, and I've learnt my lesson, I went to cocky and started saying this and saying that, without really understanding anything. And I haven't even started experimenting.
I have compiled much what Lindsay gave us and please try to take in what Steven has to say.
Now I'm starting to look at this in a different direction, It might not be bifilar and the way we think, My lesson out of all this is to start doing simple experiments first and take notes. Example look at the fatter wire that looks bifilar, look closely, It's actually the ring your seeing, its the gaps, all im saying now is, I've been told and I'm going back and thinking long and hard about it.
Again take not from Lindsay, and I take his words seriously:-
If you go thru it and accept that we do not and cannot learn all at once you may realize that many people have been here for 10 months and silly questions like bifilar and drawings that are wrong do not belong in the main thread.
I think we will benefit greatly,
Dominic
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Hi everyone,
In the accompaning video I have 4 magnetic fields generated by 4 coils driven in pairs similar to the transformer configuration in the Tesla 390721 patent.
I am showing the interaction of the fields as they charge and discharge. If you watch the corners you will see the poles matching and mismatching. This represents field compression where the match and submission where they are mismatched. That action has not been incorporated in this version. I will show that on the next video. This magnetic field visual has a follow on effect not shown. That is when the BEMF occurs, the next wave is charging up and that can add to or subtract from the pressure between the adjacent poles. Again, this will be shown in the next rendition. This is also the action that can effect a vortex or charge pump. The pressure waves at each corner vibrate back and forth.
Also supplied is a overhead map of the field action in the different cycles. The last cycle is not shown for brevity.
Have fun with this one. ;)
--giantkiller. There is another step after this one.
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Sorry what i was saying is pay attention to the coorespondence between Lindsay and Steven, my brain is moving faster than my hands
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This is crap. My avi is 1.2mg and it won't post!!!!!!!!!
Sorry about the messages.
--giantkiller.
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Guys!
If you watch the video where it is labelled UEC and SM gives give the TV demo and takes the 6 inch one outside, etc.
WELL! If you go to 4.20mins, he has an even smaller one, about 4 inches wide. He says I will activate the unit now and he reaches in the middle of the torroid with his finger and flips a switch. Now as soon as he has done this if you listen you can hear the rotating field. Having played with a few rotating fields at audio frequencys, I can tell, because the resultant wave goes up and down in shape like the attachment. It is vibrating the table and you can hear it! It sounds just like the rotating fields I have played with and the glass amplifys the sound for us! Check it out!
You can see how it is like the signal below, because it hums BUT it comes and goes! It is a low frequency hum, which fades in and out. Now I can tell you this cannot be 5Khz! Perhaps some one skilled with video and audio, can extract the sound segment, filter out the humming and run it through something to confirm the frequency for us?
What else can this confirm for us? It confirms the use of two frequencys to generate a 3rd. If we use one frequency with a phase shift, we DO NOT get the humming which FADES in and out, we simply get a continous hum!
Dave.
Yes, you are right but it is only for the first few sec. to hear.
regards
Norbert
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avi ;)
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Thanks,
Here is a brighter one.
Now, I am going task all of you. Look at the way the fields pair up. Think about how those fields are squeezed by repulsion and dismissed by attraction. It is not the way the fields show up, as in this version, but what is the pressure and release signature of the total action. That is what we tune to.
I am working on the avi of this signature next. My thought is that 'If you build it they will come'.
It is not the scan rate on the back of the glass but the knowledge seen on the other side. 8)
--giantkiller. Enjoy. I wait for replies. ;)
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Norbert, you are right. SM says it winds up! So the frequency has gone too high for us to hear? Or the camera just cannot pick it up from where it is now?
all in all I can hear it only 4 times and it sounds homogen.
Do you notice he picks up the larger one in the air and a high pitch wine is heard?
at what time do you mean?
BUT listening to it again with my eyes closed, I think I can still hear it all the way through. But its harder to hear once SM starts talking, thats all. Infact, if you go to the end of that test, after he stops talking and when he turns it upisde down, you can still hear it. I believe it is constant.
Dave.
I think it is because you still want to hear it. ;D
Norbert
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Are you guys hearing things now :D
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Dave
I also notice here when he puts the magnets on it to "start the device" the unit tips from the pressure of him placing on the magnet. I am wondering what the rings are really made from. One would think as he brought the magnet closer, the unit would lift just before the magnet touched. Unless the rings are not magnetic.
C0mster
I read somewhere the rings are plywood, cut out with a jigsaw, and painted black.
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@mflynn44
I just finished cutting out the rings with plexiglass. Now I'm trying to figure what the core would be on each coil. That is if those 4 things that look like legs are coils which I suspect are, and if so would the north and south of the core which might be magnets, be on the side of the core not the ends? Just pondering.
C0mster
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@ giantkiller:
Great video. But I am missing something here? If I remember correctly, in the Tesla patent you are referring to, opposing coils are creating fields oriented in the same rotational direction, right? However, your video shows the opposite, namely opposing coils creating opposing fields. What your video shows is exactly what goes on when the coils are wired liked the toroidal winding schematic I posted weeks ago.
But maybe your analysis of the above patent led you to see something I didn't see? Please comment.
God Bless
Jacob
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@mflynn44
I just finished cutting out the rings with plexiglass. Now I'm trying to figure what the core would be on each coil. That is if those 4 things that look like legs are coils which I suspect are, and if so would the north and south of the core which might be magnets, be on the side of the core not the ends? Just pondering.
C0mster
The rings must be made from a material that won't affect the magnetic field. Plexiglass is great. The rings are just the support structure.
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Are you guys hearing things now :D
I hear it too, the device is ramping up I guess
GK, you got the right idea with those pics, nice animation too. I should say the animation shows a different phasing then what I'm doing.
Yes. My controller runs 4 segments now also. But I can re jumper it to accomodate any configuration. My focus is on theTesla 390721 tranformer. Just the transformer. The avi name. It is driven the exact opposite of the SM coils or so we think right now. Tesla said 1.2khz was high freq! His commutators also spark heavily. I see power.
I had posted before the changes I need to make. One is Square wave +-15 ac. The BEMF is so important here. In the avi when the previous coils produces BEMF on its trailing edge, the next coil is either attracting or repulsing. This is where the additive energy comes in. This scheme can use the BEMF to its advantage. But also I need to video the pressure wave of the 8 expanding and retracting field as they warp around the phasing of the coils. There is actually 8 fields here because of the polarity change. I believe the warp is what either rotates or pressures something else.
This is not theory. The fields are shown true to their creation and by the sources we know are true. You guys working on the collector are coming up with great solutions. In fact, so many that now we have a huge bag of tricks to pull from. Like Edison, we will shortly know what works and what doesn't. The way in which the poles change in the video form a helix! And not only the N & S poles but also the edge of the fields themselves. Totally busy. The helical motion crosses the center at all angles. This one is going to be tough to do. The program I use does not do repulsion or collision detection, so I have to reproduce it correctly by art. This is not say it isn't real. I published the pictures for analysis & approval by others. If I am wrong, I look forward to being rejected. I can trust the posters here to do that. We all want to be right and not wrong. This can introduce flaws. And I know I am not the only flawed individual here. So bring it on. 8)
--giantkiller.
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Now I have 4 ceramic bars 1" * 1" that are not magnetized and 4 that are. The 4 that are are magnetized, are magnetized with north and south on the sides not the ends. I need to router out the boxes on the ring to allow these bars to go through the plates. Just like the one TPU I posted earlier. Once that is complete I need to ponder how the coils are rapped. It almost looks as if the may be rapped lengthwise as apposed to around like a traditional coil. But I have seen posts here that show a possible solution.
Any ideas?
Till next time...
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@ giantkiller:
Great video. But I am missing something here? If I remember correctly, in the Tesla patent you are referring to, opposing coils are creating fields oriented in the same rotational direction, right? However, your video shows the opposite, namely opposing coils creating opposing fields. What your video shows is exactly what goes on when the coils are wired liked the toroidal winding schematic I posted weeks ago.
But maybe your analysis of the above patent led you to see something I didn't see? Please comment.
God Bless
Jacob
The opposite coils are cross coupled so that the fields are opposite directions but the same direction visually, like away or towards you.
Post me your prior reference. I need to see.
--giantkiller. We blaze!
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Now I have 4 ceramic bars 1" * 1" that are not magnetized and 4 that are. The 4 that are are magnetized, are magnetized with north and south on the sides not the ends. I need to router out the boxes on the ring to allow these bars to go through the plates. Just like the one TPU I posted earlier. Once that is complete I need to ponder how the coils are rapped. It almost looks as if the may be rapped lengthwise as apposed to around like a traditional coil. But I have seen posts here that show a possible solution.
Till next time...
Dude! You do sweet work!
--giantkiller. Now we blaze magnetically.
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Ahh thanks giantkiller :)
All for science and science for all!
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I've been doing some experiments with rotating magnetic fields with a feedback arrangment trying to get the "kick" described by SM and Mannix. I've just about come to the conclusion that my approach will never lead to overunity. I now think a rotating field is just incidental to the operation of the TPU or maybe there is no rotating field. Dave tells us "the power has to come from someplace" and, of course, he's right. Maybe it's necessary to think further out of the box. Looking back at some of the patents that morphed into the TPU has given me some new ideas. I wonder why most of the TPU devices are taped around the oval outer coil and painted black? Is it just to hide something? Maybe the tape is an active part of the device. It could be thin copper with adhesive on one side; they sell it in arts and crafts stores. This could act as an antenna feeding the device or a converter changing the output radiant energy into potential, or both depending on the internal structure. When radiant energy is converted into electricity the potential is DC. The input from the antenna comes into an arrangement of three coils which causes phase shifts and then the signals are recombined; this is where the "kick" comes from. The kick appears at random times but you can tune the coils for more or fewer kicks. The kick triggers the release of radiant energy; we're not dealing with electricity at this point. The radiant energy is collected and converted into electrical potential in the converter.
Dave, to answer your question. No, I don't know what radiant energy is. For that matter, I don't know what electricity is; I know what some people think it is. I do know radiant energy exists. What we call electricity is a subset of whatever radiant energy is. Radiant energy can be converted into electron flow (one form of electricity). Not directly, a potential (dipole) is created, the vacuum is ordered, and we can then have a flow of electrons from the vacuum through a load.
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I think this might have been talked about before, but there is so much on this thread it is hard to remember everything (no, imposible).
Take from the Keelynet "eScribe" list from 2002:
Hi Folks!
Along the lines of aether/zpe having dual properties such as;
voltage vs current
pressure vs vacuity
and a means of focusing the omnipresent aether/zpe background energy
into 'pressurized' or collimated HIGHER density beams that can be
intercepted to induce current or voltage which can be tapped,
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Mike sent in the following excellent possibility;
HI Jerry,
I would like to point out another observation I have made which you may
have
made as well. Have you noticed that the excess energy that comes in is
pretty well always 90 degrees from the flow of the catalytic energy,
i.e.
the arc?
Now, just think, induction is electrically 90 degrees out of phase with
capacitance, i.e. the current in an inductive circuit is 90 degrees out
of
phase with the voltage of a capacitance circuit, or vice versa.
This means, when I visually see it in my mind, that one is off axis to
the other thus it is not within the same time/energy domain flow of the
other. This means that they have nothing in common and cannot affect
each other.
BUT, they can be made to do work and one can lead to the other.
For instance, suppose you wound a coil with a tightly twisted pair of
wires
which were not connected to each other at either end. What you have
just
made is a capacitor.
Now take this capacitor winding and wind it around a magnetic core. Now
take and wind another standard winding around this same core. Now pump
the capacitor winding with an AC source.
The charge and discharge of the capacasitive winding will induce a
"magnetic" field in the core and cause a current to flow in the
secondary winding, BUT the capacative winding will NOT be affected by
the back EMF of the secondary
winding because magnetic energy, as far as I know, does not affect the
electrostatic energy in a capacitor.
Basically you have a one way transformer. There are other technical
problems which have to be worked out and considered but I think you get
the gist of what I'm saying.
The reason one cannot affect the other is because they are 90 degrees
from each other from an energy prospective.
One coming down, and one going forward. One can lead to the other but
not the other way around.
I think these properties are useful and can be exploited. Remember the
Tesla flat wound bifiler coil. Well, it was a high capacitance winding
with inductive properties. One complimented the other.
Thus the coil exhibited very high voltage gain and Tesla claimed one
could start such a system and make it self running because of these
properties.
Mike
Regards,
Dan
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Hello all,
excuse me please for the next words you will reed from me but I cant be quiet.
So far we all have done a great job but we are making a step foreward and two backward or can anybody say he has a working TPU??
We have made thousand of posts, seen thousand of pictures looked at thousands of other sites that are great, but not for us.
How many of us has the equipment for this work and they are posting and wasting our time?
How many of us has made the coils for the TPU??? How many of us know what we are searching for??
We all are guessing. If, if, if...
Now you are asking what the hell..
I have 34 years expirience in electronics and I exactly know what we are searching. Im not a scientist but Im a television repair man from the good old times when we had tubes in TVs and I repaired thousands of them. Now Im in digital electronics for years, 10-12 hours every day.
Im telling you this because Mannix said Im on the right way (a little step).
Today I brought my scanner so I can post images what Im doing.
IM NOT THE BRIGHTEST BRAIN ON THIS FORUM SO PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!
I dont want to wait 10 years to have a working TPU.
Let us work together!! from the beginning!!!
Please, guys who havent a scope, a square wave generator, and a multimeter be quiet(excuse me again for this).
Because this is a international forum and I see a lot of users are only reading and not posting ( I was one of them because my English is so bad) I think it would be very good for us that our ONLY German speaking friends can also work with us. Im speaking bad English (as you see) and very good German. So my friends feel free to contact me.
NO, NO dont think I want be a leader (chief). Im not a leader at work nor at home (I have a wife). I ONLY WANT A WORKING TPU!!!!
Im not so good in theories because I dont care much of it. Im a guy for practical work.
I will post drawings from the beginning of winding the TPU until we all finish with success.
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Hello
@Dave
you have over 600 posts and I see you are very, very busy here and you are making a GREAT JOB. Thanks in the name of all us for your work. Go on.
Regards
Otto
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@Dave
as I said before forget the self spinning needle!! Maybe it reacted because of my body temerature or something else, anyway it was not a joke but I DONT CARE about it!!!
TO ALL
It would be better for us to concentrate to the TPU. Guys, we all have to share what we have. Let us focus ONLY, ONLY on the TPU.
I think you all saw that you cant get informations on other sites on the web so please dont guide us to other sites. There is NOTHING!!!!!!
This TPU is unique and you can search until your old and you will find NOTHING!!!So let it be.
I think the only relevant informations we need are in Teslas patents. Maybe Im wrong but for me are his patents the clue. Now I remember, didnt SM said that he was reading JL Naudins sites??(they are great, for me).
Let us focus on this:
How many windings, wire diameters, turns... Dimensions of Yor TPUs, how to make a rotational magnetic field, how to connect all the coils...
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I made an attempt Dave...
The humming seems to be close to 1 Hz, but the hums themselves from around 3-5 khz, who knows, look at the sprectograms.......
Thanks Tao! You are the man!
That is also my result. The humming is a difference of 0.73 hz. I tryed it with a ton generator. The attached file you can hear are four tons 100 + 100,73 +200 +200,73 hz.
regards
Norbert
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I am just learning so forgive me if this sounds stupid. Say you have a 1:1 tesla transformer set up(power in = power out). If the rotating magnetic field causes a magnet to spin in it, wouldn't that be proof of free energy?
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Hi Dave and marco,
Do you know anything about magnetic shadow casting? What is it? SM mentioned it and they used tens of thousands of dollars of magnetic material on it......
Robert
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the setup:
collector coil to scope and voltmeter.
now this is important-> switching potential to ONE of the wires of a control segment.
so the switching potential circuit is never going to be closed.
its just that the switching potential has to be "on" the control but it will never flow.
as you change the frequency you can see all kind of output waves comming out of the collector.
im going to test this a bit further.
marco
*** this only will work with pulsed dc signal , a sine or sawtooth wont do anything.
Hi Marco,
Can you take a video of what youve done or draw a hand drawn pic of how this looks, So to confirm again, you have no input whatsoever and you are getting something out? Are you placing magnets near by?
Thanks and great work.
Dom
Just i noticed to in Sm's 91volt device the wires have a gap, which must be providing this capacitance effect.
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Ok here is another thing I was thinking, say if we leave one end of a coil open, and through another coil induce a pulse, could this manifest istelf as a kick?
For this to work, in other words for the kicks to happen, wouldnt we need an open end?
I'm going along the lines that when we first turn on a electic power in a circuit, theres a kick which is induced, so this would mean we would need this condition to happen all of the time.
Am I making sense here.
Marco could you draw a pic and scan what youve done so far?
Thank you,
Dom
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@Norbert. You say the sound disappears. Well, if we mix these four frequencys that Tao has found, then we will have a new wave, but the complex wave from mixing four frequencys, can be a new wave which will increase in frequency as it goes, by just using 4 set frequencys which will have a complex phase interactions. This can be a magic "mix of frequencys within the space of the collector".
We can similate this on a PC ;D
Dave.
Hi Dave,
I think it would not possible to generate this magic mix of frequencys with a ton generator so that we can observe the kick. There are still other things going on in a wire/coil! ???
I just want to check the frequencys.
Norbert
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@Dom
there isnt much to draw..... it is 3 wires.
two from the collector and one with the pulsing dc to one segment.
@dave
im using seperate devices its not all in one.
marco
Marco,
Are your devices PC connectable? Looks like a PC based scope, right? I have been looking for another scope and function generator that I can link to the PC and the function generator to perform sweeps and FFT analysis. Could you share the models you are using?
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Thanks Marco,
Look at what I wrote about second device, the gaps are important. otherwise they would not have been wound this way.
Again can a capacitive effect stop back emf from occuring, or can anyone comment by doing this can we have kicks continiung, just a new approach to the whole deal here. I think that this is important, we may have to introduce gaps into the system. I know Tesla did same as well, I think he did this with power transmitter.
Ive attached drawing with comments
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so this would be the point were dave starts yelling THERE ARE NO MAGNETIC CORES INSIDE THE TPU. and so on.
Thanks for pointing this out guys. My first tests with my new setup will be coils with no cores.
C0mster
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Hi DAve,
Isn't this worth exploring though, we want to manifest kicks right? Thats what this is all about.
Are you 100% sure this won't change anything? can you be certain of that?
I think we should at least try this option, and elminate it, if we don't get results.
See I've gone back and had a good look at the diagram I just gave you, here's one that isnt that good but you can tell there are gaps, look at bottom ring again.
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Question?
it looks like only 2 segments are wrapped on the ring on the bottom.
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Are your devices PC connectable? Looks like a PC based scope, right? I have been looking for another scope and function generator that I can link to the PC and the function generator to perform sweeps and FFT analysis. Could you share the models you are using?
Carl hi :)
the function generator and frequency counter are not pc compatible.
i bought them toghether in a small electronics shop , i even managed to get it 100 euro cheaper. :)
only the scope is pc compatibe and its a self made kit from velleman.
marco
Marco,
I was looking at the Vellman PC scopes as well as their function generator since they claim they can be linked together (LPT port) and the software recognizes them both. I like my Sencor scope but need something I can do data logging with. So I might be grabbing one (have to order it off the web though). How is the inteface on the scope? Does it do all you would like?
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There are still other things going on in a wire/coil! ???
Agreed.
but surprisingly is that the sound is immediately to hear after he activated the unit. Spontaneously I was thinking of a self induktion coil maybe for initialising.
Norbert
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Ok Dave, I will do that. But before I go, Look at the other fat coil around the toroid, its the same one, but there are no gaps in between, It is interesting to try as it may have effects we havent fully investigated with yet, Its all about discovery.
Oh If anyone here is thinking about building this SM 91 volt version, do this, increase the image size so Stevens hand is about the size of your own, then you can estimate what size to build it.
Dom
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Question?
it looks like only 2 segments are wrapped on the ring on the bottom.
Comster, theres 4 fat coils wound around the ring, If you look back some posts back, dave actually has pointed all the different angles, and theres def 4, what gets me is the one infront, I strongly believe SM has wound it with gaps inbetween, no he may have done this to kill back emf , as we want to try and induce these kicks, so we can get an increase in power.
This makes me think of Tesla, who I'm pretty sure did the same thing, i.e he would kick a high voltage into the atmosphere and when it came back he would kick it again, but everytime it came back it would be stronger. Correct me if I'm wrong anyone, that way i can go check my facts again.
Cheers,
Dom
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Dave, that image is blurry, look at the one i posted. plus you can prob take another shot again, to see.
Notice though at the back its all black, so dont believe that one pic, take several more, at different angles.
The reason Im saying this is, if you look at Sm's first device youll notice that the wires arent all wound close nit together, it seems he has gaps in these as well.
we want fast run off, we want kicks, again a capacitive effect would do this No?
Cheers,
Dom
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Great, thanks. I will try to find that post. Are those coils aswell between the top ring and the bottom? In other words the 4 posts that hold the top and bottom ring together, are those vertical coils in relation to the coils rapped on the bottom ring?
C0mster
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This is why I think about the gaps Dave, go back and read SM's email to Lindsay:-
effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks. In themselves they are not much. But if you make enough of them fast sendoff, you get a collectible power spike that is more then the power available to begin with. The destructive heating caused by the eddy currents become the problem we face when we make a really large powerful coil. Now you understand more about the heating problem and why using a fan does not work.
Cheers,
See where he mentions fast sendof, that to me sounds like capacitance at play, I could be wrong and we all could be wrong but lets elimnate it, if we dont get the results.
Dom
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comster let me draw a pic for you, at least as a guide, then anyone here can make comments, hang 10
Dom
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COOL.... :) At this stage of building any input would be awesome. Lets call this one a open source project. Everyone can add a line and I can try it. :)
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Now comster, the fatter coils to me looks like they are all connected in series --c1--c2--c3--c4--
You'll have to experiment, let me say this though, even that I drew this for you, and anyone that wants to build this version, it's still best to start your experimenting small scale. wire some coils , put them in different configurations , even with magnets near by to see what happens.
My pic is only a reference, and should be used as such. I havent started building, rather I have been trying to understand what being said by Lindsay and Steven.
I would prob do this first, wind some fat coil on a former of sometype, this could be plastic, then wind finer wire on two segments only, i.e on the fatter coil, make one of the fatter coils with gaps, then pulse the finer coil and see what results you get at different frequencies. Also it maybe the case that the finer coils are two segments , and these are connected to the magnets, which may have coils under them.
don't worry about magnets for now, just start of with what we know, or close to what we know.
Oh and i suggest that you read from post 1 to 20, collect all with Lindsay and Steven Marks, and listen to what SM has got to say.
cheers,
Dom
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Dave, dont take this the wrong way....this device doesnt make sense yet either, and you may have to throw away what you learnt, and re write again.
cheers,
Dom
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Thanks Dom.
I am drawing a prototype in some cad software with everyones recommendations.
@Dave
Many Thanks.
I'm looking forward to some lab time this weekend to implement your experiments.
@All
Cheers
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Dave,
Maybe you can find some answers from here,
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nestedfields/
In this group we are studying open systems,that have ability to transfer energy from long distances,and from different time by phase conjugation system.
Esa
Virus,
Regarding the Mini-Romag, on my site you can see I once tried to build one, it did not work.
The coils are wired like this so as one magnet induces EMF in a coil, the next coil is wound backwards so it will be powered by the previous coil and now attracted the next one and so on. Its a kind of rotating field as you say. But there is no external energy input so it will stop.
As I say, no device can run if it is closed looped. IT MUST RECEIVE energy from ELSEWHERE.
Perpentum Mobiles are impossible. Nothing can run without outside energy to run it.
SMs device is a convertor. You are not going to be able to start a rotating field and pick it up and feed it back to the input. Its heat losses, etc plus the load alone will shut it down straight away, infact you wont even get that far.
It is a convertor. It must convert SOME OTHER energy source. So we can forget about treating it as a perpemtum mobile, as that is impossible. Free Energy has to do with converting an unknown energy source in to electricity, NOT CREATING energy from thin air, which is impossible even with un-conventional thinking!
Dave.
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http://pixerve.de/43323/pese.html
I seen here Patent of Daniel McFarland.
I have same Drawling from Stubbelfield !!
I will find the windings details (not described by Farland
Pese
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Does it do all you would like?
as it runs it runs fine, but sometimes it locks.
i bought it because it wasnt too expensive.
marco
Carl, if you can, get a 2 channel scope, otherwise you cannot do any power measurements or compare phase differences, etc. Pico do some nice PC interfacing equipment and 4 channel scope too.
http://www.picotech.com/oscilloscope.html
D.
@Dave,
I do have a nice Sencore 2 Channel analog (built in freq counter and DVM) but it has no PC capabilities so I am looking to augment my test gear. Was looking at some B&K generators as well as some PC based stuff, just trying to checkout all possibilities before I commit to buying new gear.
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Hello ctglabs-I was reading your statement
((((When the current stops, the magnetic field collapses on the wire and causes a current that flows in the opposite direction. Is this not just normal Back EMF? Since the energy that created the back emf was contained in the magnetic field that was created by the original current flow, then we have nothing more?)))).
This is not really correct and may be part of the problem, when current stops the magnetic field collapses,your scope shows a positive voltage followed by a negative voltage on collapse of the B field but current flow is always in the same direction. If you put a coil in series with a battery and a switch, you close the switch current flows-you open the switch current stops abruptly and the momentum creates an electron pile-up measured as a negative voltage but it is not, the electrons are moving in the same direction they pile-up raising voltage, creating ionization,ADG,and finally VAD or an arc discharge across the switch. Logically you can test this easily, we normally put a blocking diode in parallel with a coil to prevent switch arcing or frying switching transistors, What direction is the diode facing? the diode is letting current flow in series with the coil/transformer in the same direction as it was initially, so if the current supposedly reversed it would have nowhere to go and fry the diode? You can google -electron flow -DC switch arcing -blocking diodes to verify this, it is a common misconception that just seems to go on and on and on, the best thing I think anyone interested in this technology can do is to research (Electron Flow) because 95% of the people I talk to basically believe what modern physics has proven incorrect 60 years ago.
Here is something else to consider in your project, If current flow is always in the same direction- What would happen if you took a piece of wire 1 mile long,started current flowing for an instant then completely disconnected the source? What if the wire was a coil and you applied current only for a millisecond then switched from the source to a seperate load circuit? If current flow is forward and it cannot draw from the source-can or could it draw from a seperate external source? and if the voltage is measured as reversing but the current flow remains in the same direction as physics says it must,does this not seem to be a bit of a paradox?.
Questions are all I have
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I wonder if the TPU looks like this?
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@Dave and Marco,
If I notice something it's worth mentioning. I just noticed with some pics of the 91 volt device, look at some of the pic where it gives you a view of the bottom, and reference this from the top view It looks like the fat wire is tapped out from the centre.
There's just something about this, If it helps to pickup clues, it was worth me mentioning it.
Marco interesting about the thin wire, I can actually see it coming out of the clear pic Lindsay sent us.
I know its hard to see, but its there. So in actual fact this could be underneath the fat wire......hmmm very interesting
I'm wandering now if this wire is coming from the magnet section.
There seems to be an interation between thin and thick wires. Worth exploring this first.
Good work fellas.
Dom
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You can see the thin wire where SMs, leg is
Dom
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Good work comster, at the end of the day, we might bitch and argue, but if we all do our collective bit, it's worth every moment.
I'm a stayer, even after we acheive our goals.
Another year almost over.
Sincerely,
Dom
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What if, just saying what if, the current that is flowing through the collector wires is eddy currents themselves? Is that possible? Could the kicks themselves be eddy currents and this is why steven couldnt solve the heat issues, because if the currents are eddies then he couldnt have the free energy without the generation of heat in the copper collectors. Just an idea...
i supose so.
i mean not the kicks being eddies but becoming them.
the normal core is being replaced by a multistrand wire.
The heat is not the main problem...
The OU becomes the main problem.
The device in operation is like a bom that can explode evrey second.
if the brakes fail youre gone.
It is certainly not a regular toy.
marco
and like I said before............
we are building it without plans, or even an "Owner's Manual" !!
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Don't you guy's do any real testing......
I have many many experiments to tell you all these things you are talking about.......
I have been testing a copper wire and needles for the last 3 years..
If you balanced a rotor good then you can easily make the Earth's field turn it, as was posted earlier....it might even speed up a bit!
Then again you could just use a straight piece of copper wire to turn the rotor a little over 1/2 way and let the Earth bring it back....
By using the straight piece of copper wire the rotor will go the same way every time, and the Earth will bring it back every time....if it is balanced good.....
The magnets are everywhere and their numbers are limitless......
Does not Tesla say that sources of radiant energy are throwing off minute particles of matter with great velocity?
Those particles are not the magnets, but the magnets are the ones which are throwing out the minute matter.....some of the magnets cling to the particles and go someplace else......When the orbit of an atom is broken then there is a flash of light, but that atom while "stable" is still giving and receiving the individual n/s pole magnets....they are so small, they can pass through anything....
In the northerh hemisphere the north pole magnets are going down and the south pole magnets going up....in the southern hemisphere it is the opposite, and so it makes a difference to testing......
In a long compass that is hanging in the air and level, you will see that one end is longer...
Hang the 3 foot compass level, then reverse the polarity of the ends...it now lies in a slanted position which can be calculated ect ect....
In the southern hemisphere the south pole of a magnet can lift more filings off the ground than the north pole can....
When my notes are finished you can read all about it and repeat all the tests.....
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Your right scotty
discovery
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I was looking at comsters picture and the picture below it and this device looks like a circular parallel path device. Flynns parallel path device uses all the same components, in comsters pic the green elements between the circular plates could be permanent magnets ,one coil turns the magnetic field and because path is circular all paths turn like a domino effect, when the control coil is deenergized all coils then utilize the bemf. The trick would be to have the system act as a self regulating resonant system. Or possibly the small wire one post mentioned acts as the control and the rest are load coils, one load coil charges a capacitor which then activates the control. This seems more likely than the earths magnetic field powering a load.
any thoughs on this?
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I was looking at comsters picture and the picture below it and this device looks like a circular parallel path device. Flynns parallel path device uses all the same components, in comsters pic the green elements between the circular plates could be permanent magnets ,one coil turns the magnetic field and because path is circular all paths turn like a domino effect, when the control coil is deenergized all coils then utilize the bemf. The trick would be to have the system act as a self regulating resonant system. Or possibly the small wire one post mentioned acts as the control and the rest are load coils, one load coil charges a capacitor which then activates the control. This seems more likely than the earths magnetic field powering a load.
any thoughs on this?
Interesting concept.
I will be wrapping the prototype with wire this weekend.
Then we can hook it up to a scope an try different configurations.
Comster
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For the interested
What to Look for When Choosing an Oscilloscope -
http://www.picotech.com/applications/oscilloscope_tutorial.html (http://www.picotech.com/applications/oscilloscope_tutorial.html)
Small tutorial
Virus
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Hi Guys,
I was doing some amazing reading, I call it amazing because from it I could re-inforce what SM has said all along.
Lets not get away from the fact that, the earth has a weak magnetic field, and the unknown that this field maybe on the move, like a huge electromagnet.
What if we developed a detector so fine , that we could detect this magnetic field and amplify it= we find the river.
Now think of a compass
http://www.howstuffworks.com/compass.htm
The reason why a compass works is more interesting. It turns out that you can think of the Earth as having a gigantic bar magnet buried inside. In order
for the north end of the compass to point toward the North Pole, you have to assume that the buried bar magnet has its south end at the North Pole, as
shown in the diagram at the right. If you think of the world this way, then you can see that the normal "opposites attract" rule of magnets would cause the north end of the compass needle to point toward the south end of the buried bar magnet. So the compass points toward the North Pole.
The magnetic field of the Earth is fairly weak on the surface. After all, the planet Earth is almost 8,000 miles in diameter, so the magnetic field has to travel a long way to affect your compass. That is why a compass needs to have a lightweight magnet and a frictionless bearing. Otherwise, there just isn't enough strength in the Earth's magnetic field to turn the needle.
The "big bar magnet buried in the core" analogy works to explain why the Earth has a magnetic field, but obviously that is not what is really happening. So what is really happening?
No one knows for sure, but there is a working theory currently making the rounds. As seen on the above, the Earth's core is thought to consist largely of molten iron (red). But at the very core, the pressure is so great that this superhot iron crystallizes into a solid. Convection caused by heat radiating from the core, along with the rotation of the Earth, causes the liquid iron to move in a rotational pattern. It is believed that these rotational forces in the liquid iron layer lead to weak magnetic forces around the axis of spin.
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know note they say:- No one knows for sure,
This above came about because I was reading about radiant energy, check the urls out, you'll find it very interesting
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/pylon_ambience/index.html
Pylon Ambient Energy Lights Fluorescent Bulbs
http://pesn.com/2005/06/14/9600112_High_Power_Lines_Shock_Umbrella/
Shocking Experience Walking Under High-Power Lines with Umbrella
Now under this title, I found something interesting:-
"A Little Experiment to Try"
If the tester's needle/coil is not sensistive enough, the voltage will drop to zero and the indicator will not move.
This line above made me think of the compass scenario above.
END.
And another interesting read:-
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/pylon_ambience/index.html
Radiant Energy -- Wireless Transformer of High Power Lines?
An Electrical Engineer who was in on the interview with West, mentioned that it is known that if a barbed wire fence, of about a mile in length, with
insulators, is run parallel to a high power line that a "one-turn transformer" can be created, inductively coupling some of the power of the high-power
lines.
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Now think of this as brainstorming on my part, Remember the magnets on first and second device, and Marco or Dave spotted the very fine wire on the bottom ring of second device. We cannot see any real fine wires on the first prototype, because it maybe in the centre of the thing, right below that toroidal inductor.
Also look at the larger device, with those fine wires on the small toroids....see what im getting at.......receptors.....detectors
First we have to find the river, then we can work out how to extract the energy.
My first step, because this part has been bothering me, until, I read the above.
Good work everyone, keep at it
Dom :)
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i had a revelation .. i think that the magnets dropped into the holes are only one of a pair of magnets.
these magnets balance or float on a magnet that is seated in the bottom of the hole and as the pulses travel around the circuit the fields are disrupted and the magnets bounce generating more perturbances in the the fields. This may be why when the units are turned upside down they no longer work and also why he needs to bring a magnet into contact with the other units where the magnets are embedded and he doesnt want to be seen to be shaking it to begin the initial jitter in the magnetic fields. may also explain the vibrations etc ...
just a thought there ladies and gentlemen ....
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hence .. gravity may be playing a role in this operation afterall .....
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thinking also this may explain the washboard effect .. hmm ...
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and before everyone kicks the crap out of this idea by saying that the upside down problem is solved .. i say .. consider three magnets in the closed system stacked n-s s-n n-s ....
he pulls his magent out and runs it past the stack .... and boinggggg... equilibrium is broken for long enough to set the wheels in motion .. so to speak .. aint that the kicker ... ;)
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and before everyone kicks the crap out of this idea by saying that the upside down problem is solved .. i say .. consider three magnets in the closed system stacked n-s s-n n-s ....
he pulls his magent out and runs it past the stack .... and boinggggg... equilibrium is broken for long enough to set the wheels in motion .. so to speak .. aint that the kicker ... ;)
Hi Dean,
No it's good to brainstorm, then go out and build. The mind is a powerful thing, were too lucky in one way, that Steven has showed something so unique, It really has been getting my cogs rolling.
The magnets have something to play, In one of those links they say that, and I found this not long ago, that when you throw a magnet down a copper pipe, it falls down the pipe in slow motion.
I'm getting away with the earth just being a bar magnet...that is solid and static. No one really knows for sure, and thats my point. Its the unkown we should aim to findout. Gravity, the earths magnetic field have something to play in all of this.
When Steve mentions in his video of the 91volt version, about the magnets being placed in the receptors, im thinking compass here.
Like you said just a thought....and something here to explore, the copper wires diameter can play a big role also
Theres a guy shows a case, which he powers a light globe, 25 watts, you can find this on google video....now what if this scenario, he is doing the same with like Tesla, and notice his electromagnet uses very thin wires....
To the experiments soon.
Dom
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back again to the magnets for one second .. the earths magnetic field is diplaced by the magnet field initially created in the wire carrying the current and as the flux lines wish to resolve them selves back to a state of balance the pressure is exherted like "sqeezing the hose" on the filament hence the inrush of external force .. the kick !
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the warm or hot filament maintains a small magnetic field as a result of the alignment of the spins and hence will exert less force against the earths magnetic field
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Yes the magnet , dave has something to do with the kick.....what is it dave, It's exactly what he says it is.
You want to know, we all do, remember SM saying what you know out the window, its the unknown dave that we want to discover.
Lets explore that facet.
When columbus said the world was round, and everyone else laughed and said this guy will kill himself, because he'll fall of the edge and never be seen again....its the unkown that drives us.
How many things we don't know dave or can't be explained, and yet it works the way it does.
Throw those nasty things that are holding you back, your holding back Dave, and 10 or so years has made you a skeptic.
Another thing I called up and spoke to Lindsay the other day, He summed it up........discovery
I thank you
Dom
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isnt this supposed to be pulsed dc we are creating here ..
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ok .. here goes a quick derivation of my thoughts on this..
Q1 Upper ring
S |||||||| N =
= Q2 Lower Ring
= S |||||||| N
ok . the widing in quadrant 1 of your toroid generate a electro magnet that exherts itself on the magnet stack (that may also be wound as well to generate current which is reused) this upsets the euilibrium of the magnet stack. Now this may be small at first as introduced through the schumann resonances and should the system itself be tuned to this specific set of frequencies shouldnt it become cumulative., however as I am currently just beginning to study the literature on magnetic amplifiers provided recently
.. we may be seeing the beginings of a cascade.
Think in terms of the ball on elastic being slapped analogy reffered to many times over relating to other experiments tesla had conducted
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guys guys guys ..
let me share with you a little event from my week ...
I wasted 3 hours one day re writing 100 lines of code and rechecking every aspect of a program i am currently working on only to find out the method call had been delimited by . instead of ,
.. yep .. sometimes all the experience in the world can make you blind to what is right in front of you. It makes me no less a coder than I was the day befor or the day after the event.
but .. and heres the kicker ...
It wasnt till my graduate student i have working for me pulled up a seat and started to work on the problem, and I calmly looked over her shoulder and noticed the problem from 5 feet away, god did i feel like a fool, but shit did we laugh as the tension left the room when i pointed out to her what adumb arse i was ...
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anyhow .. back to absorbing the book on magnetic amplifiers .. a scintilating read .. almost as good as playboy ...
ps.. keep up the good work fellas .. i have been reading every post and you are all very encouraging with your efforts and your thoughts.
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Dave, what SM is getting at is, that there is an interaction between the earths magnetic field and when we first apply current into a wire.
So its a river we can't see, all we want to do is know how to tap into it. Going back to What SM says:-
Now I am you know that anytime you have a magnetic field moving past a wire you have electron flow in that wire or more precisely on the surface.
So the earth is generating the most unbelievably huge amount of power all the time and we can't tap into it?! I don't believe it! Neither did Nicola Tesla.
He found a way to tap into the earth's power potential and he demonstrated it often.
Did you know that every single one of his patents was purchased by Edison and Westinghouse? He had a very large amount of patents and they purchased all of them but only utilized one for transmitting electric power via 60 cycle AC and step down transformers, which became the standard of power transmission throughout the earth to this day.
Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory. He noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. however one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably. It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn't it?
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless.
He was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow. That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere.
Please let me make another point.
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large useable amounts of power.
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Hi every one.
I am following the development of this device and find it very interesting unfortunately I have no knowledge on electricity. I have in my possession the patent (pdf document) concerning this device and would like to know if I shall post it.
Girayrd
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Hi All, I am currently outdoors standing on a bridge in nature in Berlin Tegel Fliess and am spitting into a small river beneath me and am watching the interference pattern the two spitt droplets are generating on the still water surface.... I guess we have the same inside the big TPU were two rotating magnet fields just generate rotating interference pattern inside the big outer output coils... So the interference pattern are the real induction generating power outputs...it probably also has no drag back effect and does not load the two sources.. Regards Stefan from outdoors with my PDA.
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Nothing to do today Stefan? LOL :) ;)
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Hey guys, i'm new to the forum but i've been influenced by SM's device for some time.
I haven't had a chance to go through all the posts in over 300 pages yet but it seems there's a lot of helpful information here. I found some interesting videos while searching google that involves magnetic energy and would like your insights on them.
1: this seems to be an old video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
2: magnet powered flashlight
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6705974805322280133
i'm pretty sure you guys have seen commercials for these flashlights. My thoughts are that if one were to use something simular to this, maybe if instead of shaking them, you could use magnets to generate vibration and hopefuly get the same output.
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Hey guys, i'm new to the forum but i've been influenced by SM's device for some time.
I haven't had a chance to go through all the posts in over 300 pages yet but it seems there's a lot of helpful information here. I found some interesting videos while searching google that involves magnetic energy and would like your insights on them.
1: this seems to be an old video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-635987818295327978
2: magnet powered flashlight
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6705974805322280133
i'm pretty sure you guys have seen commercials for these flashlights. My thoughts are that if one were to use something simular to this, maybe if instead of shaking them, you could use magnets to generate vibration and hopefuly get the same output.
i just found that 2 part elemental rod video yesterday and posted it in some odd ball thread in this site because i didnt know where to put it. i dont know what to think of this device. how are the rods made of 73 diff. elements and 74 diff. elementss?
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Here is the Patent concerning this device. Hope that you will be abble to reproduce it (and help me at the same time as I am a novice in electronic)
Girayrd
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i had a revelation .. i think that the magnets dropped into the holes are only one of a pair of magnets.
these magnets balance or float on a magnet that is seated in the bottom of the hole and as the pulses travel around the circuit the fields are disrupted and the magnets bounce generating more perturbances in the the fields. This may be why when the units are turned upside down they no longer work and also why he needs to bring a magnet into contact with the other units where the magnets are embedded and he doesnt want to be seen to be shaking it to begin the initial jitter in the magnetic fields. may also explain the vibrations etc ...
just a thought there ladies and gentlemen ....
Yes! Very good catch. Just like the shaken flashlight. No reason why this is would not be a possibility.
--giantkiller.
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Mouse right click and download to your computer.
Girayrd
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hello ctglabs
I think I know what this KICK is, in that post of the book it is refering to an inrush of current followed by a kick. Tesla perfected this anomaly-google(tesla_DC_at the moment of switch closure) and you should get the article I read a long time ago. Tesla was using high current DC power to produce what he referred to as radiant energy(longitudinal static charges I think they are called), anyways these effects could only come about the exact moment a switch was closed pushing high current DC voltage into a wire, tesla used arc gap switches because the effect is only manifested for microseconds on switch closure and the rest of the time the current did nothing. I believe tesla made reference to the fact that because of the small time frame and large electrical pressure involved there was a transfer of energy before current actually started to flow. As well it was mentioned that SM was using multiple frequencies and tesla just happened to patent a multi-frequency antenna/reciever around the time he was claiming free energy.So there is a possiblity that this kick is linked to the frquency it is initiated at, and it is possible to have hundreds of seperate frequecies on one wire, so maybe as SM said each frequency on initiation of current flow but having no current flow this radiant effect is manifested on each frequency, all frequencies timed to kick(peak) at one time. maybe-maybe-baby I think im losing it! In any case all this seems to be related Steven Marks-Tesla-Floyd Sweet-Hubble-stubblefield, its been done before I think, and I believe it's over my head.
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hang on, I got it & will post jpegs ASAP !
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Mouse right click and download to your computer.
Girayrd
LIKE I SAID the firewall at work does not allow me downloads!
try opening the pdf url in a browser like IE. should open the page instead of asking to download.
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I like the moving magnetic field theory better, that patent is like a wound armature three phase generator that doesn't turn.I think this is more attainable than my crackpot theory on SM's generator. There seems to be alot of patents and concepts on stationary machines with moving magnetic fields. This is the holy grail of OU, no moving parts, no wear, I think thats the way to go.
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it is NOT the patent for the TPU
it's the Martinez "Continuious Electric Generator"
which I have seen on the net before
sorry guys :(
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Dave, what SM is getting at is, that there is an interaction between the earths magnetic field and when we first apply current into a wire.
So its a river we can't see, all we want to do is know how to tap into it. Going back to What SM says:-
Now I am you know that anytime you have a magnetic field moving past a wire you have electron flow in that wire or more precisely on the surface.
So the earth is generating the most unbelievably huge amount of power all the time and we can't tap into it?! I don't believe it! Neither did Nicola Tesla.
He found a way to tap into the earth's power potential and he demonstrated it often.
Did you know that every single one of his patents was purchased by Edison and Westinghouse? He had a very large amount of patents and they purchased all of them but only utilized one for transmitting electric power via 60 cycle AC and step down transformers, which became the standard of power transmission throughout the earth to this day.
Anyway, back to his research in the laboratory. He noticed that most of the time the magnetometers stayed relatively sedate and around the same level. They would fluctuate just slightly. however one day he noticed that the meters jumped quite unpredictably. It attracted his attention and he began to find that the meters were reacting to a thunderstorm many hundreds of miles away. Interesting isn't it?
Then he continued his experiments and found that as a thunderstorm moved closer the magnetometers would register larger and larger fluctuations until they were off the scale and useless.
He was fascinated and consumed by this. He acquired better magnetometers and his research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves. When I say large, I am referring to huge. That was useable power.
However, you had to find a circuit potential in order for the electrons to flow. That was the difficulty which he overcame to produce his famous demonstrations of power from nowhere.
Please let me make another point.
Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about... If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available. If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage. However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.
How it IS POSSIBLE to use what appears to be a weak magnetic force to generate large useable amounts of power.
Nice, that and Dave's questioning of where does the energy come from.!
I keep thinking where is the input?. The device is passive, the device is passive. Tesla did not have the power supplies, sine, square wave generators we have today. SM?s device is passive, no external power supplies.
Ok this maybe easier than we think! And it is a TOROID to boot.
Take a look at this.
It creates a field (blue lines) to invoke a response from the coin, the coin in return creates its own field (red lines) sending a response back to the coil. The coil reads the field and produces a signal. So far so good!
Now an energy input is required from the unit to create the original pulse to hit the coin and thus the requirement for external power supply (battery)
But that is only because the coin it self is not sending out anything.
Bingo!
Replace the coin with the earth. No need for external power supply to excite the earth. The earth field already pulsates even if it is weak, it pulsates (red lines). Tune the coil to that pulse and you got a passive signal generation (and thus power) with no outside power supply.
On top of that, I?m looking at all the writings. DC output. Makes sense the earth field is not reversing it just fluctuates in one direction, thus inducing a DC fluctuating current on the coil. There is no need for a full reversing wave to get amplification it doesn?t have to go negative. Fluctuations in the positive region will also do the trick.
Maybe a closer look into how these gadgets work would provide a better starting point to built on?
Does the above make sense or have I missed something major by a mile?
Take a look at this. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/detector/
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here is the first page....
(http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c157/JBomb01/temp/PART64-000001.jpg)
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isnt this supposed to be pulsed dc we are creating here ..
Yes. Many have posted the the findings of kicks. The best results have come the + / - square waves. I work on pinball machines. Every coil has a diode across it to dump the kick to ground to alleviate from damaging other components. Let's drop the creation of kicks issue and move on. They exist and we can create them. At what instance of time? We covered that before too with the tranmission wave analysis on the calulated ring diameter with the tranmission frequency with the matching the collector to that. I agree it is a rough set of specs. But we know the wheels are round, so let's slap them on the sports car and get the hell outta Dodge!
We produce the kicks. We harmonize them at the ring perimeter over the collector / antennae.
Marco and I also posted how the rings actually sit in the application over the Earth and what the fields look like. More to think about.
On a similar note,
There is an old Twilight Zone issue called 'Kick the can'. A group of elderly patients at a rest home believe they can have fun playing on the lawn. One resident refuses to believe and stays on the porch. The others play joyfully, regain their youth and run off as young children. The elderly one, left behind, sits and wonders what went wrong. If you don't believe this story has any benefit, you're still on the porch.
Please, prove me wrong.
--giantkiller. ;)
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Take a look at this. http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/electromag/java/detector/
Yep. You're right on bud! That it flow of the giantkiller/marco overlays posted a while back. Just re-emphasizing your stronger post. Keep swimming, Keep swimming! (quote by Dorie from Nemo movie).
--giantkiller
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I saw this on another site posted by someone called "VORTEX"
Couldn't sleep, up early nursing a cold (due to overwork and obsession with this project) sitting in front of the woodstove and hoping our days of having to stoke these black monsters soon be at end, the thought ocurred to me: Perhaps I'm thinking about this device all wrong. So here goes wild ass theory #2.
The coils are wound in a bifilar manner for two reasons
# 1 reason is to set up a low level plasma glow between the windings. (see JLN labs info on plasma glow) This will generate all kinds of hash and frequencies exciting the windings, similar to white noise (the worst case scenario) and it will be uniformly distributed between the windings. The latest photo clarifications of the two tier open device seem to show a familiar sight. (thanks guys for the photo clarification) A high voltage spark coil or ignition coil (to the left rear) and a toroidal transformer ( to the right rear) The large SM17 device black box looks a lot like the electrostatic HV supply pulled from a copy machine or laser printer.
#2 The coils act as tuned transmission lines that select from the hash the two frequencies for resonance. They can then be tuned (act as radio reciever). to create the difference of two high frequencies to create Schuman Resonance . They must be trimmed to exact length to produce the difference frequency. Since they are bifilar, temperature effects and capacitive loading should act the same on both and keep the difference frequency relatively stable.
A capacitor creates the 90 degree phase shift between groups of coils and with the inclusion of a magnet the ionic field is set rotating in a preferred direction. This creates a rotating ionic VORTEX (excuse me)
Ions from the ionosphere are pulled down by the rotating vortex to augment the effect. (similar to the long thin funnel from a tornado)
So two frequencies are not being generated, merely selected (like a radio reciever) from the "worst case scenario", the plasma hash generated by the electrostatic field between windings. The overall device acts as a macro-electron (as above, so below) so it may be possible to create macro electron structures that in a fractal sense act as their smaller counterparts. Tune too closely and you'll probably ionize a column of air that will bring a discharge (lightning) on your device if it doesnt vaporize before that (hence the required detuning). The device only needs a tiny battery to get the plasma going (driving the ignition coil as a HV step up ). How the DC output is derived is yet to be theorized. This is just a start in a different direction, to be tested. Perhaps bits and pieces of this theory were presented in the long thread at Overunity. To the many contributors thanks is given. SM says it is a conversion device (ions to electrons). A device for tapping the charge in the ionosphere.
The plasma is not the source of the power it is a means to an end. It is the millions of little lightning strikes in the plasma (kicks?) uniformly distributed along the transmission line that excite the tuned circuits to concrescence. An ionic rotation is what will couple to other ions nearby by vortex motion and draw down more power into the device. Of course the static plasma glow can do nothing in itself. When in rotation the ions are the means to couple to the ionosphere. The earths magnetic field will help to act on the funnel to augment the compact horizontal spin of the ionized air column. Nature always uses spin structures to couple energy between potential gradients, e.g hurricanes. Haven't you always wondered how a long thin funnel cloud maintains it's shape for long periods of time. The point is, ions are everywhere, but mostly concentrated in the ionosphere. They are influenced by magnetic fields and this is possibly the reason for the rotating magnetic field. As more energy in the form of ions is drawn into the rotating ionic field, more plasma is created and it will be converted into energy in the form of real electrons by resonant absorption in the coils. The process feeds itself.
Yes! Because on higher power levels the ion flow looks just the production of waves in the metal detector post.
Thank you for this post.
Just augmenting here to bring together relevancy:
This explanation, with the metal detector explanation, with the previous picture posts of the harmonic freak waves, with the overlay post by marco on top of my pic of the device sitting on the Earth plane with the avi about the mag fields of the 4 segment coil. Tight, really tight!
--giantkiller.
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Update from the lab: All 4 posts now cut and routered into top and bottom paltes. Next update after bottom ring coils are wrapped. btw I took this outside and if you put your hands between the plates you can feel heat.
Comster
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Let's drop the creation of kicks issue and move on.
And we wonder why Mannix and SM left us to it? SM has told us the SECRET LIES IN THE KICK.
??? THE SECRET LIES IN THE KICK! SMs OWN WORDS! WHY ARE WE LOOKING FOR OTHER THINGS TO EXPLAIN THE TPU?
PLEASE SOMEONE EXPLAIN?
Dave.
This is not an eflame!
Yes. The kicks are the heart of it. We are looking at the power and the mag fields from the kicks. Because the production of the waves via the configuration setup is what reactes with the environment, known and unknown. You can watch the wheels spin all day, but the rest of us are planning a trip. No offense intended.
We aren't on the porch anymore...
--giantkiller. We need your knowledge for the next leg.
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Hello Giantkiller
You and I may have missed the most obvious point not mentioned here. A few post ealier mikestocks 2006 reposted some statements from SM, and something seemed odd? SM makes reference to tesla's magnetometer experiments in paragraph two, why? If you read it carefully there is one statement that says" his(tesla)research found that you could tune the magnetometers to certain specific frequencies and tap directly into large magnetic waves.When I say large, I am referring to HUGE.that was useable power."
This device will never work until you hit the correct frequency that is a given, what is it? Tesla tuned his magnetometers to pick up lightning storms-not the earths magnetic field, the earths magnetic field is constant and cannot be harnessed--unless lightning which is hitting the ground continually somewhere on earth all of the time, lightning having millions of amps, resonates the earths magnetic field. There are systems now which can tell exactly where lightning hits by monitoring a small frequency band and vectoring to show the location .The weather service shows these results-every lightning hit in a defined area(north america), so what would happen if you tuned SM's machine to this frequency and multiples of that frequency? I have yet to find the exact frequency they monitor but am googling it. I think ctglabs may have had it right when he said why are we running off in every direction when SM basically spells out how to do this if you read his document and pay attention. Maybe we need to go to square one and analyse every paragraph step by step, it seems everyone, including myself has predetermined how this works in there judgement,and it seems to be going nowhere? Maybe if any one is interested we could start a new thread and analyse this as I said paragraph by paragraph, input given only on the topic at hand. These are my thoughts anyways.
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Bingo!
LDAR lightning detection ranging used in northamerica is at 66Mhz, but I don't think this is it. Here is a better option World Zues-long range lightning detection system detects radio noise from lightning at VLF frequencies 7-15 Khz from thousands of Km away. So really this deivice could be triggered by lightning hitting anywhere in north america? how many lightning strikes hit in north america per second, I would think a lot. If 7-15 Khz is the magic number that would be too cool.
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Well 2 tickle circuits and a row of zeners to drop the access and SM was wrong , internally I had the coil wrapped correctly, it's just that I had all the taps coming out in the center instead of the outside. My results have been poor to none so far. I get some voltage but no power. Drops to 2 volts as soon as it gets a 12 volt load, doesn't matter whether I pipe it through and inductor first or not. It may be that I have to many wraps in the collector cores (8 of them). Got a pic from the scope on the other puter , toss it up soon. It looks great till you put a load to it. It would be a waste to spout frequencies to you it was suposed to turn out 4" ID and 6" od like the one in the video, and it's out of whack, it's about 7" OD. I'll keep working. Probably going to have to rewrap it. The only thing I can say is I left almost and inch between coil sections. I thought that was way to much, but, maybe not. By the way that's a great idea let's start a new post and analyse this mess post by post.
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Okay,
If you break a bar magnet then each magnet's field reconnects. When you put a toroid in Earth's flux plane and turn it on you are essentially submitting a magnetic bubble into the flux field, no? And the Earth's flux lines are deflected or broken, no? And as the broken lines connect elsewhere there is energy. Now let's power down the toroid and the field collapses. The previously disconnected flux lines will not have interference and will return to the normal state. This breaking, connecting, and realigning back to normal creates a spherical magnetic wiping action in space. Lets put a wire / collector / antennae there at 90d and harness that action. I think SM coils are doing that.
In my first graphic, if shows the unpowered toroid. The blue lines represent the flux lines.
The 2nd graphic shows the powered toroid. The smaller arrows represent the flux flow across the collector.
The arrow through the center represents the path for the vortex or ionic flow previously mentioned by Vortex, Marco, Sparkman.
This only shows the first cycle.
The next step: the Twilight zone...
--giantkiller.
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supersam I believe ctglabs comments were meant for me,rehashing old news. I still do not get this though, so you have broken the earths field lines requiring x watts input, the control field is collapsed, field lines return cutting load lines, but the conservation of energy still applies here. Control input x is equal to earth field y, x=y there is no getting around that,so there is something else missing. I have problems swallowing frequency hash as well, tesla was no amature, he mastered resonance like no one else has, I think there is a missing time function here, the earth field couples to the collapsing control field so you get both back, if the working magnetic field has to circle the device like a spinning wheel then a perfectly conservative control pulse on one side of the disk opposing the earth field could turn and couple with the earth field. But then what,and why two disks, Im just not getting this.
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What if, just saying what if, the current that is flowing through the collector wires is eddy currents themselves? Is that possible? Could the kicks themselves be eddy currents and this is why steven couldnt solve the heat issues, because if the currents are eddies then he couldnt have the free energy without the generation of heat in the copper collectors. Just an idea...
;)
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We all make one brain. No man is an island.
@dave?
Your ideas and experiments were accepted. I have been both right and wrong, misunderstood. ignored, accepted, disfavored. But I didn't leave. So my ideas don't fit in with where this thread is right now. I accept that. But they will fit in where neccessary, though they are not the whole answer.
I plead to you to come back. The kicks are an integral part and an all encompassing part. We all know that. Don't just fly off the handle and fly away. The rest of us aren't ready yet to not have you here. :'( Didn't you see your value. I did and told you many times. And so did others. Which raises a question for myself. Have you put more value on the abuse than the favor and accomplishments? If a poster seems to poke fun at anybody then just blow it off. Besides, where else you gonna get this much abuse? Come on? Can't my bsh*t tirade here win you back?
Don't get feverish over an idea. Just get accomplished. If the thread takes a sidebar then just let it go by and reconnect later. I still read through the parts where I don't want to be absorbed into. The number of pages drop by half? when you deleted. If that isn't involvment then I don't know what is. I told all my concern is with the mag fields. Your concern is somewhere else. That's great. But don't let someone push you away. There is a thin line in email between heckling, sniping, comedy. I have put out comical remarks only to have them come back as sniping. But I refuse to go away. So, did this 2nd attempt at bs'ing you work?
And if others aren't jumping on the kicks bandwagon then that parade is all yours. Go for it. And your right, you mentioned it and got blown off. But the BEMF kicks are there plus something else. Lucky you.
And shame on us for not focusing on the kicks heavier. But again, others are coming into this thread from their view and need to learn the other views that are foreign to them. You are heavily focused on the right area. Come on back and party with us? Bring what ever you want. Garanteed nobody else can. They can only bring what they want.
I learned this along time ago. I didn't get sniped at so what about you makes anybody think you're a target. I for one don't see you that way. Respect is always first. You gave me answers when I asked questions. Bring your toys back and lets get moving forward again.
--giantkiller. One for and All for one.
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Arose today and still showed 358 pages of messages to catch up to. When I opened the next page, down to 237 pages I went, whats going on here???
I just lost out on 100 pages of messages.
sugra
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I didn't know you could do that-remove all your posts, that seems kind of rude. I think im outta here as well though, multiple frequencies,resonance ect... it's no easy matter. I think there are easier ways to do this OU, and your average person would have a hard time building such a machine even with perfect instructions.so best of luck
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And then there was 234 five minutes later. Guess we got too close for sure.
sugra
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To all the smart guys here,
and to all you ladies who DON'T want to think any further than their frontdoors.
I know some people directly go of wining that the SM device had no solid core(iron)
I know everyone shouts, it's about the kick's !!!
Well, everyone is wright. It IS about the kicks. It is about the kick, that a stabelising magnetic field gives as induction to a coil.
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
Looking at the renerator again, i noticed the following.
The energy collected to use and to fire up the 2nd circuit is the energy produced by the KICK of the magnetic field stabelising after the actuator pulse was given. As we all know, a magnet distributes his field lightnig fast to the surrounding it is. So after the actuator pulse was given, the magnetic field instantaniously returns, giving us the KICK !
Then, i thought about the people shouting, there is no core, there is no core.
Well, maybe that indeed is an option.
Make primary windings like in the renerator, but wind the secundary windings over the primary windings. Much like most of all you people already have done. When putting a magnet in the vincinity of the windings, it will influence them. Activating the primary coils disrupts the field. Which then rearanges. This rearanging KICK is collected in the output/secondary coils.
But ... If you wire this all up, without diodes, like in the renerator, you will (kill) the input kick in the primary coil. So it is very important to use only the regenerating magnetic field as your power source and NOT your self inducted magnetic field.
With diodes placed in your circuits like in the renerator, you will.
create a magnetic field which disrupts the permanent field. Then, when you give no power to your system, you can harnass the tremendous power of the kick that the permanent magnet field gives when restoring it's own field.
It is as simple as it can be. just give it a try.
(http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p51/renerator/freeenergy.jpg)
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Ok I don't know whats going on, has some people left and taken there posts with them?
What is unknown should be discovered, maybe we walk straight past it everyday, without giving it a second thought.
There are briliant people who pick up on this and try for a number of years to make it to there advantage, and when that happens,....WOW WEEEEE Fantastico.
Now all we have to do is LISTEN to and take note of these special peoples accomplishments, rather than say how can that be, and all that crap.
Now from SM:-
Trial and error is the best way to make new discoveries. If we rely completely on what we are told by scientists and engineers we will never make any relevant discoveries because we are told not to try, that they are impossible.
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That is a good advice
Discovery,
Again i'll post what I compiled with Lindsay and Steven Marks, save it and read it LISTEN.
Dom
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Ok folks. Maybe Stefan is cleaning out the older posts. As promised here is the work I did today. The SM prototype has some coils and now to ponder the connections.
Comster
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thanks mrd, at least most of the info got saved. Just hope stephan did the sql thing so we have it all for ref.
laters off to work on more. Then to the bench
sugra
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Anytime Sugra,
I keep reading it, until It all sinks in, The analogy to think of is You know there are people in this world that do amazing things, and you wonder, how the hell does he do that, your mind can't grasp the fact that it can be done.
The information I've compiled is very important, in the discovery process.
@Comster, good work man, looks real nice. I'm going to do it your way as well, actually im going to build several of those rings , that way I can wind the coils differently.
Just one thing I thought i'd mention, it looks like you have all fine wire, the original uses large wire, I'll give you tip, incase you havent tried it, zoom into that toroid and reference Stevens hand to your own on the screen, this will give you rough idea of what sized cable to use. It might even be multistrand, like speaker cable.
Oh did you use a jigsaw to cut the perspex?
Good work
Dom
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And then there was 234 five minutes later. Guess we got too close for sure.
sugra
it wasn't just dave's posts that disappered .
a couple of mine went away too . ???
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@Mrd10
Yes I used a jigsaw but it was not so easy. I see all of Dave's posts are gone :( I thought I would start with the thin wire first to see if I can find any thing strange. I hope somewhere in the previous posts it talks about the actual wire used and number of wraps. But I don't remember reading about it. If anybody has an idea lets lay it out. Btw Dom I seen your drawings and will be trying those.
Comster
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comster .. that is one sweet piece of work there buddy
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referencing with sm's hand
thickness of ring 5mm
fat cable between 3 to 5 mm
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Dom
Thats pretty much the size of the one I built.
Hold on I'll post the measurements.
Comster
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Ok close... OD 240, ID 190 mm.
Thanks for all the info. :)
Now to start this puppy up!
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@Sam,
Be cool or it will be just you yelling all alone. Ok? It is the europeans that left. Their primary form of communication is politeness, not buddy, buddy down and dirty. That is one of the reasons americans are seen with disdainement worldwide. We sound rude. So roll up your sleeves to contribute to bring others towards you.
You get more flies with honey.
@Those that are on board.
The ones that are left are diligent in their efforts. So to all, let those who are experimenting, be. No efforts are incorrect. Let this thread be a place where all can come and contribute in peace. If you disagree, then make it so and make it sound like your opinion is in humbleness. This ain't tag team wrestling and nobody wins by flicking matches.
It looks like the posts go when a poster deletes his account. This truly is an travesty. I will fire off to Stefan to see if a dupe blog can be put up to capture everything. I hope so. Alot of info has disapeared. But I trust in those who are staying on.
@comster,
I need a conversion of sorts. My controller puts out a digital 0-5 square wave. I would like to add a stage to make +15 -15 with the wave form crossing 0. Really specific analog is not my forte. I am a whiz in digital. My drive stage uses a bias of +5volts at the transistors bases. This drives my coils fine. But I want to higher in volts. I have a schematic of 2 555s that are synced and put out 90d out of phase square waves. I would like to use this. If I put those into dual supply opamps, what would that look like to get them zero crossing.
I see Tesla's circuits doing this with commutators. Lucky guy.
Thanks, everyone take care, tomorrow is new day. --giantkiller.
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Guys your right about perhaps needing some metallic materials. I'm starting with this design for the following reasons. When SM holds the 90V model it doesn't seem like it is made from steel or a metal just in the way he moves it around. I have read lots of information on Tesla, Ed Gray, Hans Coler and the casmere effect. I don't see Steven adding any input to his device except for the magnets he attaches. As well Hans Coler claimed by adjusting the magnets in relations to the coils a voltage became present. You could say I am starting from a different perspective. I have kept in the back of my mind the need for cores in the upright posts but tomorrow I want to see if I can rotate a compass with the flat coils. I then want to check each coil to see what frequencies they pick up and see if there is any differences. I am trying to wrap my head around all the great input on the OU sites I have read. Like one big a** brainstorming meeting. I may not be posting to much here for a while <lab time>, but I will be reading any suggestions that are posted. And if I come across anything I believe may help I will post it right away as I did with my video on "more watts out than in".
@giant
I may be off base here but I use Tina pro as a prototyping software for circuits if you send me your current setup I can draw it in Tina and see what kind of solution we can get. [qoute]I would like to add a stage to make +15 -15 with the wave form crossing 0. [/qoute] I have done this with 4, 9 volt batteries and 2 npn transistors something like this. If this is what you mean. http://www.trinary.cc/Tutorial/Transistors/Transistors.htm
Using 90d out of phase square waves may be a bit tricky with 555 timers and I haven't tried it. I understand how Tesla's rotating field works and perhaps I will come across needing to try it with my TPU but I believe the energy we seek is like the part of the spectrum we cannot see, it's there, we know we just can't see it unless we use special glasses :)
Thanks for all the great comments. I enjoy this hobby, I don't care where I am going, it's what I learn on the way there. Besides I have been doing this for so many years I don't know anything else.
Cheers
Comster
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Hi All,
PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
A person just found "q" and has left this group in fear of the uncontrolled reaction the he achieved.
He seems very scared and as many times as I have to say it ..THIS IS SERUIOUS.
Be careful THEY ARE DANGEROUS.
Controlling the reaction is vital otherwise all you have is sparks and smoke ..Dont anybody tell me "that's good". Its just the first step.
I wont answer questions on this..you can work it out for yourselves.
Its time for the non high voltage experienced to just watch.
PLEASE.. PLEASE.. Dont take this lightly YOU MUST BE ABLE TO QUICKLY BREAK THE CIRCUITS
More soon
now read it again!!!
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Hi All,
PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
A person just found "q" and has left this group in fear of the uncontrolled reaction the he achieved.
He seems very scared and as many times as I have to say it ..THIS IS SERUIOUS.
Be careful THEY ARE DANGEROUS.
Controlling the reaction is vital otherwise all you have is sparks and smoke ..Dont anybody tell me "that's good". Its just the first step.
I wont answer questions on this..you can work it out for yourselves.
Its time for the non high voltage experienced to just watch.
PLEASE.. PLEASE.. Dont take this lightly YOU MUST BE ABLE TO QUICKLY BREAK THE CIRCUITS
More soon
now read it again!!!
well, if this is true.........
I hate to say I told ya so............. but.......
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Hi All,
PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY
A person just found "q" and has left this group in fear of the uncontrolled reaction the he achieved.
He seems very scared and as many times as I have to say it ..THIS IS SERUIOUS.
Be careful THEY ARE DANGEROUS.
Controlling the reaction is vital otherwise all you have is sparks and smoke ..Dont anybody tell me "that's good". Its just the first step.
I wont answer questions on this..you can work it out for yourselves.
Its time for the non high voltage experienced to just watch.
PLEASE.. PLEASE.. Dont take this lightly YOU MUST BE ABLE TO QUICKLY BREAK THE CIRCUITS
More soon
now read it again!!!
well, if this is true.........
I hate to say I told ya so............. but.......
What is 'q' ?
--giantkiller. I think i am stupid now.
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GK , Its to do with the oscillation I think, look up Q and inductance:-
"Q" is a most important property of both capacitors and inductors although it is actually dimensionless. The "Q" of capacitors is generally so high as to be ignored however it is the "Q" of inductors we mainly concern ourselves with. All inductors exhibit some extra resistance to ac or rf, "Q" is the reactance of the inductor divided by this ac or rf resistance.
Dom
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@ comster,
I think I need a biphase motor control circuit.
I included my schematic.
--giantkiller
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ok let me correct that:- The higher the value for "Q," the "purer" the inductor is. Because it's so easy to add additional resistance if needed, a high-Q inductor is better than a low-Q inductor for design purposes. An ideal inductor would have a Q of infinity, with zero effective resistance.
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_3/5.html
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GEES!
Q in this case is fire,sparks and smoke.
DO NOT SAY THAT YOU WERE NOT WARNED!!
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Lindsay is that you = Anybody?
Good to hear from you, and again thanks for all you have done, I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm honored.
@comster, sorry I didn't write back to you, I had to rush to get out of the house...had urgently to go somewhere.
So q doesnt mean what i thought it did, Apologies
Dom
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Thats' alright. I don't get upset.
That just leads to bitchin', as B)arking I)ntensely T)o C)reate H)avoc.
--giantkiller.
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The Q effect .. how to quit, quietly and quickly .. quite quirky questionable and i shall quaff my quality bourbon quaintly as the crowd queues up to quander the quackery of it all....
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
follow the bouncing ball for the quite questionable q quatrains ....
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Hey all,
I'd just like to share my thoughts in some answers for the sparking and explosions of the replication.
First thing that jumps to mind is the high
voltage breaking the insulation - a resultant of the turns ratios of the actuator coils vs the
number of secondary turns. I believe a 1:1 ratio is acceptable for the technology to
work (amplified current) also although I'd say play with a 1:2 ratio for now.
For those more cunning, They may want to try and immerse their
replication in a bath of transformer oil (or some other oil if transformer
oil can't be found). It should further insulate the device and prevent high voltage sparking.
I hope this has been of some help. Together, we can isolate the energy
giants out of power!
Andrew Gardiner
http://www.thewaterengine.com
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I have modified this to say nothing..as what i was referring to has now gone..
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When at once we played amongst the cherry groves and soared to the highest heights, now we wallow in the droves and see frightful sights.
My time was grand, my era superb, but now my time has come to pass as I say this fateful word,
goodbye,
gentlemen,
it has been fun...au revior
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Although the Earth's magnetic field seems weak the vast area that can be drawn from can actually turn the wire to vapor. Be careful keep a fire extinguisher handy and if you are getting any kind of results set a shield over your work. It's not much but I grabbed the old ladies cake holder cover, it's stainless and heavy glass top, enough it , might help? Wear gloves, use one hand on the circuit, we know this stuff guys and I'd rather see us all leave in one piece.
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is there a post somewhere i missed .. because everyone has left and there is some kind of claim they have a working model and half the posts are missing .. can someone please explain whats happening here .. ?????????
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For Stubbelfield /Mc Farland Patent following : .
I find my datas (written from me in german 3years ago...)
Winding details are 65 to 23 windings
here my german txt with more details:
Kochs Daniels McFarland Elektromagnetische Batterie
Hundert und drei?ig Jahren vor Koch Daniels McFarland aus Mansfield,Ohio
patentierte Dieser eine "elektromagnetische enrgieerzeugemde Batterie"
Er gab an, da? DIESE:"Einen konstanten Strom ohne Fremdenergie wie,
z.B. einer galvanischen Batterie, produziert".
Sein Patent Nr. 119.825 wurde am 10-10.1871 herausgegeben.
Dieses war, acht Jahre bevor Edison die Gl?hlampe erfand.
Man vergleiche die zwei gegeneinander gekoppelten Spulen mit der Anordnung
der Testatika und des Hendershot wie Coler Generators.
Das Wicklungsverh?ltniss ist 65 Windungen und 23 Windungen
Es ist wichtig, da? die Sekund?rspule an in der gleichen Richtung
wie die Prim?rspule gewickelt werden muss.
Der Eisenkern A kann ein fester Stab oder ein B?ndel Eisendr?hte.
Je feiner die Eisendr?hte sind, um so h?her wird die Ausgangsspannung.
Die Lastwiederst?nde sollen ca. 16-30 Ohm betragen.
Die Ausgangsspannung kann bis 3 Volt betragen.
Der Generator wird durch eine externe Gleichspannung, gepulst,
gestartet
http://pixerve.de/43323/pese.html
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Well, I guess the purge is somewhat over with now. Back to the bench and to work on this. I will be a bit sporadic as I will be doing a lot of reading and then re reading. Then a bit of tinkering on the bench.
Lindsay, nice to see you are still here.
sugra
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is there a post somewhere i missed .. because everyone has left and there is some kind of claim they have a working model and half the posts are missing .. can someone please explain whats happening here .. ?????????
A single event Implosion. Suicide. The answer wern't coming fast enough? I guess the majority did not see the total value of the positive implications. I fired off a message to Stefan to put up a duplicate locked thread from a backup. We will see.
Lindsay: Thanks for the safety message. Once I saw lightning strike an oil filled tranformer up on a Tele pole. It exploded, shot into the sky maybe 75 feet and was totally obliterated. No large peices of metal fell to Earth. The flash was like a 150lb xenon bulb.
Thanks for staying on board. If I can be of any service let me know. Also, are my pix anywhere close to the solution? I don't want to head down the wrong way too head strong. And it would be nice to be affirmed.
When things breakup, those who refuse to abandon the cause at times take on remorse and guilt. It is natural to do. This post lost alot of talent.
--giantkiller. Sigh.
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For Stubbelfield /Mc Farland Patent following : .
I find my datas (written from me in german 3years ago...)
Winding details are 65 to 23 windings
here my german txt with more details:
Kochs Daniels McFarland Elektromagnetische Batterie
Hundert und drei?ig Jahren vor Koch Daniels McFarland aus Mansfield,Ohio
patentierte Dieser eine "elektromagnetische enrgieerzeugemde Batterie"
Er gab an, da? DIESE:"Einen konstanten Strom ohne Fremdenergie wie,
z.B. einer galvanischen Batterie, produziert".
Sein Patent Nr. 119.825 wurde am 10-10.1871 herausgegeben.
Dieses war, acht Jahre bevor Edison die Gl?hlampe erfand.
Man vergleiche die zwei gegeneinander gekoppelten Spulen mit der Anordnung
der Testatika und des Hendershot wie Coler Generators.
Das Wicklungsverh?ltniss ist 65 Windungen und 23 Windungen
Es ist wichtig, da? die Sekund?rspule an in der gleichen Richtung
wie die Prim?rspule gewickelt werden muss.
Der Eisenkern A kann ein fester Stab oder ein B?ndel Eisendr?hte.
Je feiner die Eisendr?hte sind, um so h?her wird die Ausgangsspannung.
Die Lastwiederst?nde sollen ca. 16-30 Ohm betragen.
Die Ausgangsspannung kann bis 3 Volt betragen.
Der Generator wird durch eine externe Gleichspannung, gepulst,
gestartet
http://pixerve.de/43323/pese.html
Translated for everyone @ http://www.humanitas-international.org/newstran/more-trans.htm (http://www.humanitas-international.org/newstran/more-trans.htm)
Cook Daniels McFarland electromagnetic battery Hundred and drei?g years before cook Daniels McFarland from Mansfield, Ohio this patented a "electromagnetic enrgieerzeugemde battery" it indicated, da?DIESE:"Einen constant river without foreign energy as, e.g. a galvanic battery, produced". Its patent NR. 119.825 one gave change to 10-10.1871. This was, eight years before Edison the Gl?ampe invented. One compares the two coils coupled against each other with the arrangement of the Testatika and the Hendershot such as Coler of generator. The Wicklungsverh?niss is 65 turns and 23 turns It is important, da?die Sekund?pule in the same direction as the Prim?pule to be on wound must. The iron core A can a firm staff or a B?el Eisendr?e. The finer the Eisendr?e is, the h?r becomes the output voltage. The Lastwiederst?e is approx.. 16-30 ohms amount to. The output voltage can amount to to 3 V. The generator by external DC voltage, one pulses, one starts
This had been posted before. Again I say this very similar to a Tesla coil. 3 coils imbedded in each other, larger wire on outside, smaller wire inside.
--giantkiller.
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There will probably be more sequencial postings by any single poster for a while till the grop builds again.
I refer to patent 119825. http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat119825.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat119825.pdf) The coil build is similar to SM coils.
I refer to patent 390721 http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf) The N/N1 coils in the transformer are crosscoupled like the Cook patent 119825. In fact the transformer N/N1 coils are dual Daniel McFarland Cook coils.
I refer to patent 382282 http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf). Figure 1 is the patent 390721 transformer. Looks like the 2 large black SM coils. And there is even 2 conncetion places for dual freqencies. This xfrmr is also crosscoupled.
So we have a iron center, small guage wrapped around that, then a large gauge around that.
I am not saying that the iron center makes our attempts with air core incorrect. I am saying that the pattern all points back to previous posts.
--giantkiller. ;)
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There will probably be more sequencial postings by any single poster for a while till the grop builds again.
I refer to patent 119825. http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat119825.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat119825.pdf) The coil build is similar to SM coils.
I refer to patent 390721 http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat390721.pdf) The N/N1 coils in the transformer are crosscoupled like the Cook patent 119825. In fact the transformer N/N1 coils are dual Daniel McFarland Cook coils.
I refer to patent 382282 http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat382282.pdf). Figure 1 is the patent 390721 transformer. Looks like the 2 large black SM coils. And there is even 2 conncetion places for dual freqencies. This xfrmr is also crosscoupled.
So we have a iron center, small guage wrapped around that, then a large gauge around that.
I am not saying that the iron center makes our attempts with air core incorrect. I am saying that the pattern all points back to previous posts.
--giantkiller. ;)
Tank GK
I have changed son misstranslated words.
Noewi its better to understand.
Pese
http://pixerve.de/43323/pese.html
[/quote]
Translated for everyone @ http://www.humanitas-international.org/newstran/more-trans.htm (http://www.humanitas-international.org/newstran/more-trans.htm)
Cook Daniels McFarland electromagnetic battery 130 years before cook Daniels McFarland from Mansfield, Ohio this patented a "electromagnetic power-producing battery" it indicated, da?DIESE:"Einen constant river without foreign energy as, e.g. a galvanic battery, produced". Its patent NR. 119.825 one gave change to 10-10.1871. This was, eight years before Edison the Lightbulb invented. One compares the two coils coupled against each other with the arrangement of the Testatika and the Hendershot such as Coler of generator. The Ratio of Wire-turns s 65 turns and 23 turns It is important, because the primair coil in the same direction as the Primair-Coil to be on wound must. The iron core A can a firm staff or a bound of ironwires . So finer the Ironwires are, so higher comes the output voltage. The Load-resistors are.. 16-30 ohms amount to. The output voltage can amount to to 3 V. The generator by external DC voltage, one pulses, one starts
This had been posted before. Again I say this very similar to a Tesla coil. 3 coils imbedded in each other, larger wire on outside, smaller wire inside.
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I think transformer gas is safe to use, but it will not solve the heating problems. The heat is internal, the reactions in an L,L circuit are almost without resistance. One problem we are having is none of us are schooled in L,L circuits and I approached this project with considerable fear to begin with. I don't think they made a convenient bail out. I think they melted a fair amount of copper very close to their unshielded faces. I can't say much on L,L except 2 inductors go 180 degrees out of phase and can produce positive feedback. They can resonate and amplify. Not even the engineers in this or any other group have a solid educational background in this. I hope noone is badly burnt and the world needs this so we must plod on. You can get fried by most of the projects on this site. Even if you quit to work on something else, be careful, under the right circumstances a car battery can stop your heart.
I used copper multi strand copper for the collector cores and my output looked promising, however even under the lightest loads the voltage fell from 84.02 volts to about 2 volts. I'm considering what was posted by Giantkiller, and others just now. I don't know about the turns ratio 65:23 but I think I might try to find insulated multistrand magnetic wire. If I can't find it I got some friends at Sun electric that might be able to make me some. Or maybe if I just re-wrap this thing. One thing seems for sure the output is from a section 90 degrees from the input. Right now I have 24 turns in each section. It would be good to look at the insulation anyway, got pretty warm. Good luck guys and don't give up.
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EM,
HOW TRUE, IF THERE WERE NO M.I.B.!!!!!!
IT LOOKS LIKE THEY GOTUM!!!!!
LOL
SAM
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:)
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EM,
DAH!!! Sorry i fell into it!!!!
i thought somebody got hurt.
\lol
sam
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THIS IS BECOMING CRAZY!
DO NOT IMMERSE THE DEVICE IN ANY LIQUID ESPECIALLY A FLAMMABLE ONE!
Looks like Mannix has become crazy! :)
Why oh why would you immerse a high voltage device into a liquid like gasoline?
Are you implying we are stupid enough and might actually do that? Or are you saying you're the stupid one and actualy tried it and got burned? Which is it?
Get a grip on yourself Lindsay!!!
There's respectable educated people on this forum. This is an INTERNATIONAL comunity here. Don't make an ass out of yourself. I don't know how old or bright you are, but if you've lost your mind, just keep quiet and watch the tread until sanity returns. I'm beginning to find you quite anoying with such odd postings. If you have discovered something you communicate that best with diagrams, experimental setup illustrations, and results obtained including any measurements you made.
Not so fast EMdevices, please, Mannix only warned people because he KNOWS the SM device developes respectful heat during its operation and may overheat the oil. I think Mannix reflected to this post when wrote his red colored warning:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg17154.html#msg17154
The first time poster, andrewg85, probably concentrated on solving the HV sparking problem with his probably goodwill suggestion.
Gyula
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Gyula, you're right. I think Mannix was replying to that other post.
My appology Mannix. Looks like I'm the ass :)
P.S. After you read this I'll revoke my posting so we keep the thread short and on track...
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In that case i think it is best that those who are dissatisfied do leave (for a while), an open mind will be the only thing that allows a for a breakthrough in this field of discovery. Impatience and intolerance (and i do not claim to be innocent of either) will only lead to failure. Maybe it will be good for those who have stepped away for the time being .. the answers may come to them now that they are shaking off their frustrations. Its good to step away from a problem that is frustrating you. Kind of like when you can't remember a name and soon as you stop trying it comes to you.
Oh well .. I wish everyone well and please keep being supportive of eachother, you really are an admirable bunch of people.
I will keep up my efforts whether they are substantiative or not, It may just help to trigger someones more educated imagination to creating a solution.
Peace and Mungbeans ..
Dean
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I'm pretty sure the others that left, all left at the same time, and have regrouped and formed there own little clan on another forum. So much for international research. They started off all good and well and as soon as they started getting somwhere, boom, secrecy and went into hiding.. So much for sharing information. Oh well, i guess the power companies are releived.
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Refering US 390721,Tesla 1888 :
CH13826,Brab 1896
and
actually: www.geminielectricmotor.com
S
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Lindsay Mannix
They are Dangerous
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moto i would be most disappointed if this is the case, though you never know, you may be right. It is their choice either way to do that. If that works for them then great.
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I think transformer gas is safe to use, but it will not solve the heating problems. The heat is internal, the reactions in an L,L circuit are almost without resistance. One problem we are having is none of us are schooled in L,L circuits and I approached this project with considerable fear to begin with. I don't think they made a convenient bail out. I think they melted a fair amount of copper very close to their unshielded faces. I can't say much on L,L except 2 inductors go 180 degrees out of phase and can produce positive feedback. They can resonate and amplify. Not even the engineers in this or any other group have a solid educational background in this. I hope noone is badly burnt and the world needs this so we must plod on. You can get fried by most of the projects on this site. Even if you quit to work on something else, be careful, under the right circumstances a car battery can stop your heart.
I used copper multi strand copper for the collector cores and my output looked promising, however even under the lightest loads the voltage fell from 84.02 volts to about 2 volts. I'm considering what was posted by Giantkiller, and others just now. I don't know about the turns ratio 65:23 but I think I might try to find insulated multistrand magnetic wire. If I can't find it I got some friends at Sun electric that might be able to make me some. Or maybe if I just re-wrap this thing. One thing seems for sure the output is from a section 90 degrees from the input. Right now I have 24 turns in each section. It would be good to look at the insulation anyway, got pretty warm. Good luck guys and don't give up.
raburgeson,
Was that Self Running? or were you pulsing it? I assume by your earlier post you were meaning that SM was wrong on the wiring? and Tao was correct?
Regards,
Carl
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Guys, I have rewound my TPU using TAO's diagram using a single collector coil for starters. I was testing this new configuration with my old RCA audio generator and got better results (higher output) but not anything spectactular. I am thinking that I need a better (adjustable) signal source so I am putting together a couple of 555 circuits to test with. I am wanting to get adjustable frequency and duty cycle so this is my goal with these.
Also, I had noticed with the new coil config the coils seem to be picking up some signals and my scope is showing a very small ringing signal in the coils. The frequency counter is telling me it is aroung the 5Khz area! Very strange yet interesting.
Current TPU construction info;
My TPU inner diameter is roughly 4.5", I used a PVC end cap (for a 4" pipe) as a form, I wrapped this with 16Ga lamp cord, about 12 turns layered (4 per x 3 layers) then used 18Ga solid core for the control coils (4 of these) spaced equally around the core, then wrapped more 16Ga lamp cord around the whole thing (about 28ft).
I have wired the control coils as in the Tesla patent using the generator wiring diagram for my initial tests. So far this has yielded better responses than my previous tests but I am needing that better signal source to futher my testing now.
Other testing ideas;
I am going to try using the outer coil for the antenna to the crstal receiver and see if this allows a signal regeneration.
Another ideas is to use the outter coil for part of a tank circuit for feed back to the control coils as well.
These are a few testing concepts I am going to follow up on and will let you all know what happens, I will post scope pix when I get these going.
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Hi All,
it seems some people have deleted their
own accounts over here, especially Tao, CTGLABS and Marco,
who were the major posters in this thread.
So as they deleted their accounts,
unfortunately the forum software seems
to have deleted also their messages, which I was not aware
of...
But I have a backup from Friday, which I will soon try to
extract and see, if I can copy their messages into a new thread...
Also I have to see, how I can avoid this with other members.
For now I have set the forum this way, that you just can
edit your posting, but can NOT delete it...
But I have to see, if I a different solution to this problem...
I wonder why they deleted their accounts.
Tao, ctglabs and Marco, please let me know by private email,
if you did not delete it yourself.
The forum software is indeed still beta and this
thread is pretty long and big, so
it could also be some other glitches or bugs...
but until now it was very stable.
Thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.(moderator)
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;D Keep good work
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Hello all,
I wanted to post pictures about what Im doing but Im blocked. I have to look whats going on!!
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Hello all,
sorry, Im an old idiot. My moderator couldnt help me, so if you can, please help me to ATTACH pictures. How? Thanks.
Otto
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Otto:
Considering the current situation, I would imagine that if you sent stephan a private post
and attached the photo there, he could post it for you.
Stephan:
If you want help in converting the sql base to text, I would be glad to help out. I would like
to have the whole piece to put back together for reference. Let me know.
sugra
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This time Numbered sections with no more than 50 pages each to make it searchable I hope, it takes to long to search 300 pages. IE; The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" 1...
Carl,
No I haven't got self running full time that's why I was thinking about zeners and a cap, to reserve the power to run on. And the statement about my wires were correct was made because I was responded to like I didn't read any of the posts. I do things weird and felt mannix stop talking to us and I thought it was all my fault. Ok I'm sorry it was inappropriate, but I felt judged, my coil looks weird because I tapped the coils on the inside diameter instead of the outside. Look at the 6" coil in the video. Observe the output is in the middle of the coil or should I say from the center collector. I'm out on the bench at the moment got a fried Function generator and am inspecting the insulation, it was running warm. I brought taps out for every section wound so I could scope every part of the coil, and that made it look double weird.
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A strange phenomenon? Similar to SM toroidal device?
"A novel principle for the directional excitation of whistler waves is demonstrated in a laboratory experiment. It is based on helicity conservation of electron magnetohydrodynamic fields in plasmas. Whistler wave packets propagating in opposite directions to a static magnetic field have opposite signs of helicity. Injection of helicity of one sign produces radiation in one direction. This is accomplished with an antenna consisting of a loop linked through a torus. Directionality of 20 dB is readily achieved. The direction of radiation is electronically reversible. Transmission between two antennas is unidirectional, hence nonreciprocal. Possible applications include secure communication, direction finding, and efficient power deposition in radio frequency (rf) heating. ?1999 American Institute of Physics. "
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=PHPAEN000006000012004450000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes
Characteristics of the SM device?
nonreciprocal transmition, directionality, efficient power deposition in radio frequency (rf) heating?
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the phenomenon of electricity and magnetism and fields is so complicated, so many modes of vibration/propagation etc. Experimentation is the answer. Thanks for posting that. I'll have to look into that.
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Hey comster, fine bit of kit you made there, im doing similar but gonna use thicker wire, and want the windings more oval in shape, im just working on a duel trip circuit for safety first !!
I guess if lots of us are doing the same concept but slightly different, then we gonna rule out lots of possabilities and narrow it down faster !
Regards
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Hi Comster,
Good to see your progress on this device and keep them photos coming.
I can see a few cross-overs between this and the MEG device that DOES have a ferrous core where the SM device does not.
I am currently building the MEG device to the spec that JLN did.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm
Some pictures I posted on this forum here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1565.70.html
I am very interested in how the results of the SM device work out as I suspect the two devices are very closely related.
I agree with Motofox about the coil shape, generally sharp corners are best avoided, but all options needs to tested to see which works best.
On the topic of pulse circuits, Texas Intruments do a whole range of pulse PWM controllers that are made for the job and the newer devices include totem-pole outputs for directly driving a power mosfet.
The UC28025 for example has 2 x 1.5A totem-pole outputs that alternate.
You can set the frequency with a pot and cap, and also set the dead time control - pulse duration (I believe, TL598 does but I think its called something else now)ÂÂ
Regards
Rob
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Hello all,
sorry, Im an old idiot. My moderator couldnt help me, so if you can, please help me to ATTACH pictures. How? Thanks.
Otto
Hi Otto,
thanks for sending the picture.
Here it is attached to this message.
It is very easy to post pictures.
Just press the
"Durchsuchen" button next to Attach formular and
then search the picture on your harddisk and press Okay.
Then when you click the
Post
button it will be uploaded with the message.
Make sure , when it is a JPEG picture, that it is not more than 300 Kbytes
in size, cause this is enough for every JPEG picture...
otherwise store your picture with more compression on your harddisk again
and use this version smaller than 300 Kbytes.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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I think I might change the coils. Just testing this setup.
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CRT scope shows coil 4 other scope shows BEMF from coil 1 dioded to coil 2 then dioded to coil 3. digital scope on coil 3. 9volt battery through pulsed npn 30khz. Nothing strange here so far.
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I think I might change the coils. Just testing this setup.
Hi Comster,
nice setup,
but how are you driving these coils ?
I think the different sized TPU of Steven Mark
probably work differently, so we have to think,
which one is most easiest to replicate.
1. The "kick" thing is highly speculative.
the only kicks I have seen so far in my
former experimentation with coils
were from the stray capacitance of the
coils.
This capacitance must be charged up,
when you apply the supply voltage to the coil
and thus you see a short current kick, until this
capacitance is fully charged and then you will see the normal
1-e^-T/tau exponential current rise typically in an RL series circuit.
So if there is still a different other kick, I have not seen it and am notaware of
it and the quite from the Valve book was also misleading, cause there the higher
current and thus the movement of the heater thread winding is only
due to low resistance at low temperature and thus high current at switchon.
Okay, the movement of the heater wire is then caused because of the deflection
because of Lentz law in the magnet field of the earth, but this does not generate
any additional current inside the wires...
2. The control coil / collector coil at 90 degrees energy transfer seems to be a
capacitive effect to be as some have found out here recently...
So in the resonance mode, could there be any additional energy being transfered
this way or is the output always smaller than the input into the control coils ?
3. As the bigger 1 KWatts TPU seems to use 2 inner rotating 4 coils toroids,
which probably are powered by an electronic circuit and a small battery and
these probably generate 2 COUNTER-rotating magnetfields like
(http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif)
and produce interference pattern inside the outer collector coils.
Due to the interference pattern moving and changing also there is
at all output generated, which also does not couple and dragg back.
4. The smaller open TPU, which Mannix posted a clearer picture of probably
works differently.
In my view it just manipulates the airgap magnetic field of the 2 used
magnets.The 2 magnets Mr. Mark inserts, are about 5 to 10 cms away
from each other.
This field in air is probably a repelling field, so this field is
easy to shift back and force with coils, which are wound onto the plastic core.
These 4 coils on the platic core probably distort the field of the 2 magnets back and
forth and maybe get it to rotate or generate something like the vortex
of a tornado. But it is not yet clear to me, how he can do it just with 2 magnets
and 4 coils.
Maybe he has more coils there, maybe also a few around the inserted magnets ?
I am sure, it all only works, if we succeed to create a vortex magnet field, which is
rotating and loop it in a feedback to drive itsself.
It probably attracts loose magnet loop fields and whirls them into this vortex and
thus attracts free magnetfields from the earth or other magnet field moving nearby
generated by natural radioactive decay particles...
As these also generate free electrons in the air, which move, there then are also
free magnet fields moving through the air and these could be captured by such a "whirlwind
vortex black hole" TPU generator.
Only this could also explain the gravitatonal effects reported...
Well Comster, then just tryto see, if you can control your 4 coils with an
90 degrees phase shifted sine generator and see, if you could get the magnetfields
to rotate and then try inserting magnets to see, what will happen then...
But to get a real vortex magnet field we also need a 3 d?mensional setup.
so the magnet field does not just rotate, but also goes from upper level down
to bottom and the superimpose both rotations, so we create a real vortex,
which might then attract free magnet waves from the surrounding and earth
magnet field.
Maybe then the earth magnet field is just locally distorted and forced to go into a vortex field.
So far my ramblings for today.
I will see, that I can try to extract the old database tommorow,
if I find the time to do it.
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Pulsing the one vertical coil at 3.5hz.
Watch the spin.
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"In order to enhance the potential for energy flow set up by a pathcurve form it is necessary to increase two or more of the component forces that set up that potential."
"The direction of this field is disturbed or ?tilted? if an external magnetic field is applied, and this tilting causes the atom or molecule exposed to vibrate."
Pathcurve Vortex Generators
www.pathcurve.com/Vortex/generators.htm
Some good reading 8)
Mike
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Folks I have set up a quick page for all to see my progress with my TPU prototype.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/sm/sm.html.
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Hello all,
@Stefan thanks, Im attaching pictures like you said but nothing happens.
What Im doing:
For the new people here
In figure 1 you can see what we are suching for: the KICK or in German Einschaltstrom.
This kick is the first moment of switching ON a DC source.
In figure 2 are shown the wires. We have a collector coil with say 23 fine litz wires. The diameter of each wire is 0,22mm. Around this collector coil are 4 control coils. In my setup each control coil has 170 turns. Wire diameter is 0,5mm.
Figure 3: When you have wound all 4 control coils on the collector coil then form a circle with the collector coil and you have a toroid with open ends.
You need three of this coils.
More comming.
Regards
Otto
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Otto,
I have collectors running sections in series also but am working on the 6" TPU. Mine will not rotate without input or I think it won't. I haven't found and outlet for air filled compasses around here. Got 3 oil filled and I think they aren't capable of following a rotating field. I went on a 24 hr. bender trying to get more than a promising looking waveform thank god for coast to coast for entertainment during the nights. No power, the voltage dies when a load is attached. I'm beat from to many hours, I've torn it down and took pics, they are not cool to look at (just a bunch of wire, I'll get them up in a while). I wonder how critical the size is at this point. Mine came out 6 1/4 OD. instead of 6". Really I think I have to be wired wrong 2 in parallel one in series.
Ok, I think your coil would be better with a wire between the 2nd and 3rd sections that can be switched to ground. We just lost several members because they didn't have a safety shut down. The coil you are building can reach high Q too. Don't tempt fate, murphy's law, or what ever you prefer to call it. We're family here so don't get mad at me for saying this. The one thing I did learn for sure is you kill the action of the collector from the center. Try it ground the center and the rotation will stop immediately.
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I don't know what all disappeared yet still looking, I got 1 pic I'll stick back up cause I didn't see it. I have been leaving the core windings open I hope that's the right thing to do. Some people were puting a cap across.
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Hello all,
in the picture you will see a wiring diagram for the control coil so you can then have a rotational magnetic field.
@raburgeson
you must on one end of the coil connect +8-12 V DC and on the other end a function generator (square wave generator with 0-5V output square waves. I dont need a compass. I have a magnetized needle or a little, light magnet hanging over the TPU. The wires of the control coils MUST be wired all in the SAME direction. In this moment no ground connection exept the bases or gates ( if you use MOSFETs) of the transistors are connected with the minus(-) of the power supply.
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Sorry, just another try
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Many thanks Otto for the wiring diagramm,
now you succeeded to post pictures ! ;)
I will study it later.
Here is another interesting thread I just compiled from new and old data:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1668.0.html
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Otto,
I have collectors running sections in series also but am working on the 6" TPU. Mine will not rotate without input or I think it won't. I haven't found and outlet for air filled compasses around here. Got 3 oil filled and I think they aren't capable of following a rotating field. I went on a 24 hr. bender trying to get more than a promising looking waveform thank god for coast to coast for entertainment during the nights. No power, the voltage dies when a load is attached. I'm beat from to many hours, I've torn it down and took pics, they are not cool to look at (just a bunch of wire, I'll get them up in a while). I wonder how critical the size is at this point. Mine came out 6 1/4 OD. instead of 6". Really I think I have to be wired wrong 2 in parallel one in series.
Ok, I think your coil would be better with a wire between the 2nd and 3rd sections that can be switched to ground. We just lost several members because they didn't have a safety shut down. The coil you are building can reach high Q too. Don't tempt fate, murphy's law, or what ever you prefer to call it. We're family here so don't get mad at me for saying this. The one thing I did learn for sure is you kill the action of the collector from the center. Try it ground the center and the rotation will stop immediately.
Hello Rub, what do you mean by lost members, your not talking about them being killed by this device?
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Sorry, just another try
Yep thats the top transformer/generator toroidal from 390721 Tesla Patent
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Otto,
I have collectors running sections in series also but am working on the 6" TPU. Mine will not rotate without input or I think it won't. I haven't found and outlet for air filled compasses around here. Got 3 oil filled and I think they aren't capable of following a rotating field. I went on a 24 hr. bender trying to get more than a promising looking waveform thank god for coast to coast for entertainment during the nights. No power, the voltage dies when a load is attached. I'm beat from to many hours, I've torn it down and took pics, they are not cool to look at (just a bunch of wire, I'll get them up in a while). I wonder how critical the size is at this point. Mine came out 6 1/4 OD. instead of 6". Really I think I have to be wired wrong 2 in parallel one in series.
Ok, I think your coil would be better with a wire between the 2nd and 3rd sections that can be switched to ground. We just lost several members because they didn't have a safety shut down. The coil you are building can reach high Q too. Don't tempt fate, murphy's law, or what ever you prefer to call it. We're family here so don't get mad at me for saying this. The one thing I did learn for sure is you kill the action of the collector from the center. Try it ground the center and the rotation will stop immediately.
Hello Rub, what do you mean by lost members, your not talking about them being killed by this device?
Rumors grow into facts which then grow into legends. Who are the members. What is their testimony. Does it have anything to do with an actual working TPU or just careless or foolish practice.
Stefan Hartmann, Congratulations on your excellent detective work. Perhaps we could be grateful if Mr. Mannix could clarify the thread of events by dating the letters as recieved from SM
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No not killed but, I bet they are doing a major make-over of the room in their home.
The heat from Q is nasty , several TVs in the past have destroyed rooms, caused
injuries and in one case death. There are documented cases. And you heard the guys that left
saying, there are safer projects to work on. Make no mistake the reality is you are working to create a power generator that can run away on you. Steven Mark and Lindsay Mannix both mention if you do not have experience
in power electronics don't play with this circuit, and install a safty shut-off switch. Seems to me one recommendation was to use a thermistor as a switch trigger. The first of the safty precausions page 7.
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hey guys,
WHAT PART OF BE CAREFUL!!DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND???
lol
sam
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No not killed but, I bet they are doing a major make-over of the room in their home.
The heat from Q is nasty , several TVs in the past have destroyed rooms, caused
injuries and in one case death. There are documented cases. And you heard the guys that left
saying, there are safer projects to work on. Make no mistake the reality is you are working to create a power generator that can run away on you. Steven Mark and Lindsay Mannix both mention if you do not have experience
in power electronics don't play with this circuit, and install a safty shut-off switch. Seems to me one recommendation was to use a thermistor as a switch trigger. The first of the safty precausions page 7.
raburgeson,
Who was this that this happened to? anyone that was a regular poster here?
carl
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safety shutoff switch, I'll look into those, there are trip fuses and saftey switches which you use in your homes, would this do?
I will really have to look at the safety aspect, even talk to engineers and electrical persons.
Thanks for the heads up, build safety into it first, is priority number 1.
Cheers,
Dom
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I would like to tell you the theory I'm approaching the six inch TPU with to see if you see something wrong with my reasoning. Trying to line up the centers of the magnetic fields I have been trying to run the top and bottom (in parallel) collectors in one rotational direction and the center in the other. I have this crazy thought that the compromise field between the top and bottom collectors will run in parallel will put the magnetic field on the same plane as the center collector. Steven said there are many ways to run 3 collectors like 2 in parallel one in series, or two in series one in parallel. I think that was a very important statement and I hope I am not interpeting it incorrectly. He can only tell us so much. He also said to imagine what happens when 2 fields collide. I tried by experimentation to learn exactly what happens and I also asked Steve and Linsay if my results were right because my equipement is very much less than the lab equipement that developed this device. I'm rereading now, I don't remember a reply to my question though. That may mean the question over stepped the legal bounds of the patented controls. I'm glad you guys are showing advancements in the first device. I'm not holding anything back I just don't have a circuit that delivers any usable VA yet, seem to be getting volts only.
It came to my attention my comment about running the sections in series was confusing. Some people in the group in the not so distant past were trying to run the sections 2 at a time across from each other, in fact the one guy had a avatar with a 2 coil X shaped thing. People kept bringing up Tesla, Gray and others. I was getting a little confused trying to sort out relative material for the TPU. If we can get all the pages back up intact you could see what I'm talking about. Well I'm waisting some of your good bench time so I'll shut up.
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I'm not holding anything back I just don't have a circuit that delivers any usable VA yet, seem to be getting volts only.
Weird question:
Does you circut involve applying a solid state magnetic field or "ramping up" in energy like the TPU's?
(I need to reread some pages)
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I have a copper nonmagnetic copper core and the only magnetic field generated comes from the inductors. Otto may have showed me my mistake, I was using pulsating dc. My top and bottom collectors were wired like Otto's and my center collector was wraped (opposite) CCW and the sections wired in reverse order. When I saw the wave form I thought it would be as easy as using a zener and a cap to keep it going because it did not run without input. I have something wrong though. The thought has entered my mind that I may have had the coil right and don't know the right way to collect the power in a usable manner. That thought hit a bit late cause I already tore it down to reconfigure it. I am off on the diameter and that might have a lot to do with it so, I'll rebuild it. My collectors are 6" OD without the outside wraps and the inside is 1/2" large. I think if I just keep going through the motions I can blunder into a solution. It may be a tuning like tuning an antenna, size may matter.
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Phase 1
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Lynx2000nl,
I'm trying to figure out what you're saying I'm not getting it. I'm also trying to figure out if all this circuitry could be hiden it the 6" and nope the 6" powers the resistive load without a special output circuit. Steven walked outside and lit the bulb straight off the coil. We're not sure how it's done yet but the output is pulsating dc with a little ac and I don't think we need diodes. Now this is just an opinion but, I believe if we get it right, the output will be DC made by the kicks. All the work I've done I still can't figure out why the kicks seem to be so frequency locked. I think maybe the output frequency is about the same for all the different types of TPUs. Somewhere I screwed up on mine and I really want to change only 1 thing at a time till I find it but decided to change 2 things on my coils at a time because there is a 100 changes to investigate. This shouldn't be patent sensitive how about Lindsay is the output frequency nearly the same for all of them?
Guys what I'm rolling over in my mind right now are the "control wires". Bandpass? This question is not for Steven or Lindsay, this is a control question and I'm asking the group to puzzle. We know from previous post it's not wise to just single wrap the collector.
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Zum Posting : Lanca4 und Kator01 vom 2. November:
Schwarze Magie und ?hnliches in diesem Forum?
...So mancher alte Ziegenbock bildet sich ein, er w?re der Teufel.
Um dann festzustellen zu m?ssen, dass er mit diesem leider NUR die H?RNER gemeinsam hat...
Gru? Mercedes
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Hi all,
can anybody tell me in what context electron tubes are faster that silicone devices?
comster,nice drawing....short pulses.
Lindsay Mannix
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Hi Mannix
Tubes are voltage amplifier,silicon devices are current amplifiers' if you are music connecer you use tube based class a amplifier. Also tubes are mach faster in low frequency responce.
MKE
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Hi all,
can anybody tell me in what context electron tubes are faster that silicone devices?
comster,nice drawing....short pulses.
Lindsay Mannix
Switching speed.
Vacuum tubes have relatively low (compared to most silicone) interelectrode capacitances.
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Propagation delay is whatever the time speed of light takes to travel from cathode to anode.
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@ comster
see your design.
1. unusal design shematics ,
2, Outup stage Transitor nust be PNP Transitors.
Give Attention to Polatiy of Supply and the Diodes
(spezially thatone that got to Emitter from Tr.
@ all
tubes aremore sensitve in receiver diagrammes, because
input is very high ohm impedance.
Microwave tubes exist before 2. War , and cannot even
replaced (anytime) with Transistors.
Pese
(Knowledge is my job about since 1955)
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@Pese
Thanks for the input. :) I'm no pro, just a hobbyist. My intention is to try to build Tesla's rotating ac wave using a dc input as simple as I can. A great learning experience to understand resonance and frequency.
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@ cOmster
Change the Design to PNP Transistor.
Emitter Arrow must go to other direction.
than is Scematic OK.
Pese
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By all hi!
One more idea,
The device of CM can represent coils(spool)
Devices http://www.borderlands.de/energy.hendershot.php3
There there is a rotated area and phase shift of 90 grades
See video http://www.hcrs.at/MININD.HTM
The condenser(capacitor) рðÑÂÿþûþöõýþóþ inside coils(spools) can execute(design)
Role of the adjuster ù of energy.
Excuse.
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I am trying to find a 1920s book on inductors and transformer design. I believe what you are trying to find by intuitive thought has been purposely left out of modern day education. All the old school were taught inductor basics way differently than we are. Look how Maxwell and Tesla used inductors in a way we would never use them with our education. Steven said there is a kick when you first pwer the wire. I had trouble with line transients once, it never occurred to me they could be useful, they damage equipement quickly and I worked so hard overtime to get rid of them. We don't know were this kick comes from, relax and let's get it running so we can study it. I had one up just long enough (as long as the function gen lasted) to find that around the top the compass did piont North all the way around. It didn't run long enough to tip it on it's side to see if the bottom was South.
http://www.rexresearch.com/prentice/prentice.htm
Everyone says, oh it works with the priciples of this device or that one. Well if it works like any device built before it, it's this one. I don't even think Steven is aware of the existence of this. It collects power from the Earth has a high frequecy, high voltage DC output and is 2 inductors. It's not practical like the TPU, it requires 1/4 mile of land in the right direction. Steven wants us to learn so let's go with him and see were he takes us.
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Hi Raburgeson
I'm currently browsing a book written in 1914 "Magnetism and Electricity"
"A Manual For Students In Advanced Classes". There are many interesting experiments in this book not found in todays textbooks. I read this book maybe 20 years ago, but need to look at it again in this context. Is there anything in particular I could look up as I have many old books such as this. I recommend all to visit their local library, there are some gems that get donated. The internet does not go that deeply into older electrical art.
Sparkman
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@Raburgeson
interesting patent, thanks for posting.
I'll have to study it in detail, but the main idea seems to be:
1) Resonate a transmission line (1/2 mile in length) formed by one wire a few inches above the ground.
2) Have a second shorter transmission line, close to the long one, and pick up its resonant fields as usable energy.
My Insight on the TPU:
The TPUs have one thing in common, they are stacked rings. What if one causes resonance, and the other picks it up. Something to think about.
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I finished the first part of the rotating field. Here is a little movie that shows the rotation.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/sm/rotate.wmv
C0mster
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http://www.frankgermano.com/blackbox.htm
Sounds like SM's device works on the same principle
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I finished the first part of the rotating field. Here is a little movie that shows the rotation.
http://cmnet.ca/projects/sm/rotate.wmv
C0mster
C0mster,
Great results! Was this result with a 4 segment control coil with them wired as the tesla patent for the generator? I ask since I am working on that particular experiement as well. I am using a 555 timer circuit with transistor driver and inverter to create the alternating pulses. It appears that you are using 28 or 30 gauge wire for the coils, is this accurate?
I am using 18gauge stranded for the control coils but have not had any real success yet. I was thinking I might need to change to a solid core magnet wire.
Also, have you tried to increase the frequency of the 555 circuit yet?
Please let me know.
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@starcruiser
Yes 4 segment coil with one wrap of 32g mag wire per segment. Same as the Tesla generator except I am using a ferrite core. I have the 555 connected to a push pull transistor setup to provide the phase 1 and I hope to get phase 2 done this week.
As I increased the frequency the BEMF spikes became very strong and cooked one of my variable resistors so I need to figure out how to stop this from happening.
Here is a movie that kinda shows the specs of the coil http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/roundcoilfull.wmv
C0mster
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@starcruiser
Yes 4 segment coil with one wrap of 32g mag wire per segment. Same as the Tesla generator except I am using a ferrite core. I have the 555 connected to a push pull transistor setup to provide the phase 1 and I hope to get phase 2 done this week.
As I increased the frequency the BEMF spikes became very strong and cooked one of my variable resistors so I need to figure out how to stop this from happening.
Here is a movie that kinda shows the specs of the coil http://cmnet.ca/projects/roundcoil/roundcoilfull.wmv
C0mster
@C0mster,
thanks, I will take a view. My new coil setup (I made a version 2 to work on the Tesla generator patent) uses a steel 18Ga solid wire core (non insulated) as a core mass with a 4 segment control coil (18Ga) wired as in the patent with a single 16Ga stranded coil over that (I call this the output coil for the lack of a better term) and noted a skewed squarewave output when pulsing on side of the control coils. I put in 10vP-P signal and was getting out roughly 5vP-P. I am working on my driver circuits as well to get the alternating pulse right. I ran into a loading issue so this is what I am working out now. The Timer as the signal source is running at roughly 600Hz as a starting point.
I am wondering if the tranmission line approach would be workable here as jason's approach. Connecting one side of the signal source to the control coils and the other to the outter coil (open ended connections) and maybe use capacitors to tune the control coils. And see what comes out on the Collector(s)Just some ideas. This idea would not require a specialized driver circuit and could be tested on a standard TPU build (my version 1). What do you think?
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Hey mrd10
Here is a link which I think steven marks has probably read, because it basically outlines what the SM device is and how it works.
http://prometheus.al.ru/english/phisik/onichelson/physics.htm
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:)
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Hi Carl,
Please do try my circuit and prove it for yourself. It does in fact put out usable power (though small using the components I had) but I know that it could easily be scaled up.
@allcanadian
I love that link that you posted! It proves the exact effect that my transformer circuit has been making. In the article, Tesla talks about how it is the conversion of other energies into potential (specifically electrostatic potential) that produces power. Though I have not tried Tesla's tricked out bifiliar coils yet, my cheesy transformer coil still showed some voltage increase when I sent the square wave through it. Also, like Tesla stated, the power transferred through the receiver needs to be high voltage low current! I am also seeing the same effect with my device (the max I got was 37V at about 40mA). This may not seem like much but I only had a 30V input coming from my function generator. If I could pulse the coils with 100V or even 1000V, I'm sure I would get more current out that could easily be stepped down to a low voltage high current output!
Stefan mentioned that my transformer might have been transferring energy via electrostatic coupling... Well, according to what Tesla talked about, Stefan is right!! But the only energy that is being expended is the heat that may be produced in the primary coils from the voltage signal oscillating in it (my guess anyway). But since that is extremely small to non-existent then for all practical purposes, the electrostatic coupling between the primary and secondary winding is allowing me to produce a measurable output on the secondary side without expending charge on the primary side!
Could someone please try the experiment and prove/disprove this. I believe it works. But if I am missing something here, please correct me.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Guys,
Great work all of you, I'm in process of building 90volt version, I will be incorporating fuses in mine, just incase I hit that magic number.
@Allcanadian
Awesome read, thanks, wow I loved the bit on displacement current, and it explains jasons experiment beautifully.
As he was using a voltage potential only.
cheers,
Dom
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Hi C0mster,
About your calculation in the movie may not be true. I designed some high power switching power supply, I have to duel with those pulses. Our goal is to smooth the pulses to be straight line DC. I know that the Volt meter and the current meter is designed to measure precisely for only AC 50/60HZ sine wave or DC straight line. Any pulse or pulse on DC measurement may have different wrong reading, even different model of meter shows different reading. I think you may have to use work done in joule to compare the value.
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@tosky
Good point. It is like an illusion, because if it was performing more work than going in I should be able to replenish the supply, and there is no way to replenish the supply even though it looks like more watts. If it was calculated to joule it would show a loss. One can be easly fooled. As I said before any OU device would have to replenish the supply or have no supply. But I do like to have an open source attitude towards my experiments. Then we all learn. :)
C0mster
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another way to spin a compass:
http://www.ussdiscovery.com/FalacoSolitonMagnetic001.htm
short video at the bottom of the page
(analog of a Falaco Soliton water wormhole)
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Sparkman,
I don't know anything you can tell us about inductor to inductor resonance. I can intuit a couple of things. It takes three caps to make a oscillator so each provides 60 degrees of phase to give the 180 degree feedback and I know inductors are 90 degrees so it would take 2 of them. Also internal reactance between wraps need to be looked at there must be some capacitance between wraps at certin frequencies. Remember Steven saying generate noise. I believe he wants us to mostly ignore this part but I think we should get a little background from somewhere. I think this is basicly where the noise comes from. I got a 1935 electrician's handbook, nothing in it, I'm still hunting, I'm trying to find a earlier collage text book. So yes please anything you can tell us. I am sorry about the amount of time it took to respond. The group I work with here drafted me for interlacing wire. I haven't been on their project because I have had bad experiences with ZPE in the past. We worked out a way to twist shrink wrap and made some very long wires. I got a feeling they are twisted to loosely 4 miles came down to 3.1 by my odometer, what do you think? Did they screw up.
cOmster,
Nice video
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Do any of you know were I can get mutistrand insulated mag-wire. I tried to get some friends at Sun Electric to make me some and they are not allowed to run anything but copper through their dies. I got a couple short pieces out of an extreamely old doorbell so the stuff has been made once upon a time... Thought you'd like hearing that.
I got 2 very large caps out of it too. Well I'm getting way off topic so. Oh, forgot to mention the little pieces I do have have insulation that's probably illegal in all 50 states.
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Do any of you know were I can get mutistrand insulated mag-wire. I tried to get some friends at Sun Electric to make me some and they are not allowed to run anything but copper through their dies. I got a couple short pieces out of an extreamely old doorbell so the stuff has been made once upon a time... Thought you'd like hearing that.
I got 2 very large caps out of it too. Well I'm getting way off topic so. Oh, forgot to mention the little pieces I do have have insulation that's probably illegal in all 50 states.
This is not clear to me. Do you want copper magnet wire of the LITZ type ? This is available by many suppliers on the net. Do you want iron "magnetic" wire. Try contacting a thermocouple supplier such as OMEGA. They sell stranded iron wire which, with Constantan as its mate is used to make a type "J" thermocouple. You should be able to purchase the iron wire separately but the individual strands will not be insulated. They may also sell single strand insulated iron wire.
Regarding oscillation, a tapped inductor or transformer gives the required 180 phase shift necessary for oscillation. When the gain of your circuit is greater than one at the frequency of interest and the phase shift equals 180 degrees, the circuit will oscillate. This includes the voltage gain of the transformer or tapped inductor. Two inductors in proximity, one driven, one as a feedback device will oscillate when the above conditions are met. They can be thought of as a loosely coupled transformer, and you may have to rotate either one 180 to get oscillation to commence.
Most homemade single transistor oscillators will find this sweet spot by themselves.
I do not know what your intentions for the twisted wires are so cannot comment.
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I was reading some Tesla again and had a thought about his analogies with energy and hydralics, and found something interesting. A paradox I believe-one we can utilize,heres the analogy I made up.
-You have a bathttub full of water and an empty gallon pail.
-Put the gallon pail in the tub and fill it, lift it just above the water line.
The work done is clear enough acording to physics- liftting 1 gallon of water 1 unit in height. But here is my problem, If removing the water requires 1 unit of work, Why do you get 2 back?
Yes 2 units- you have created a void in the water where the bucket scooped it out, the inflow to this void is 1 unit of work, and you have a bucket full of water at 1 unit height which required 1 unit to lift. The inflow plus the gallon of water you have is 2 units work.
I know it doesn't work this way- But it does if the gallon pail moved at the speed of light-Like electricity? The tub is ambient energy, the pail an inductor pulse charged, we have never recognized the void inevitably left behind a moving charge. We can harness the energy moved(water lifted)-the pail of water poured back(Bemf) but what about the space occupied by the energy we moved? wasted I think?
Very strange indeed
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91 volt version:-
-banana plugs installed, use this to configure different setups with coils, plus addition of plug in fuses.
-Frame cut in half to make it easier for winding, then attached again, bifilar windings used for now.
O.D 190mm I.D 160mm
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Actually I am trying to find multi-strand ferris wire. I found something I think, try searching helmholtz coils. There are a lot of formulas, it may be relevant. It might provide a clue to some things that have been driving me nuts. Hope this doesn't lead us astray, do your own thinking on this one.
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Inductor Design and Analysis software,
Tutorials and Information on Inductors
http://www.circuitsage.com/inductor.html
:)Mike
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Here's one you guys will love:- http://www.tesla-coil-builder.com/ ;)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6129460.stm
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nice one .. mit comes along for the big spoiler to free energy. mark my words this is a diversion folks to poo hoo the likes of the free energy community. They will show how this works so well for mr big energy company but that same resonance conept doesnt work for free energy, or as they say .. will be unsafe if not operated in the correct frequency range hence outlawing the use of certain frequencies.. hate to be a rain cloud but this is the way they are going to try and run block on us.
Just my humblest of opinions .. though the timing is rather .. convenient !!!
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@Dean
I fully agree! I think the 60hz em spike cereated by the AC grid system was engineered to prevent the research of certain tesla technologies. I have no facts to back that up except for the fact that tesla and other AC researchers at the time were inventing and using AC with a much higher frequency. I would love to ask those who funded and engineered our power systems; Why did they use the 60hz band?
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This is not to say that the SM Device is nothing more than a reciever for said transmitter and that in essence we are seeing a hoax, though I would rather believe that even if that is what is ocuring i cannot see why the reciever cannot be attuned to a free source of energy even if it is the next door neighbours transmitter .. hehehe
Which brings me back to an idea i had earlier in regards to the encoding of transmission and recieveing frequencies as a more likely profitable application. Patent that one big boys .... packeted energy tranfers that tell the next frequencie to expect to recieve on .. whaaa hahahahahahah whaa haahaahahaa ... evil aint i
;)
Good luck folks
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Mannix,
I asked this question before and would like to ask again. Was the "once upon a time in a kingdom" story written by SM or by you? In researching the words of SM, it is important for me to know if those are to be included as his words. Thanks.
Kent
If I remember correctly, Mannix already said it was his story. Not SM.
Dave.
I went back and read all of Mannix's posts and did not find the answer.
It was a good exercise anyway, as a refresher to many things. Like Otto, I too am very interested in this "fable" and would just like to know if it is directly from SM.
Kent
100% known, the fable was written by Mannix, not SM!
Do not include the fable in your excercises to understand SM's TPUs, for the words don't come directly from SM...
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hence the decision was made to stand down based on the fact that the prenise was flawed ..
nice tactical manuevre ...
where have i seen this methodology before ...
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=profile;u=1180;sa=showPosts
anyone who may have taken the time to visit this link when i posted it earlier will notice the modifications ..
Nice clean up LM ... I see you picked up on the fact that it really wasnt clear who was posting what in that thread hey ... ;)
Now if i could just get my hands on an old backup of this thread .. i have some excellent data compare utilities .. being a programmer and all .. and it might just throw a little more light on to the situation as the rodent scurries down the rope at the nearest dock ...
Will the real LM please stand up and be counted .. whaaa haahahahaaaaaa ...
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dean,
all you have to do is look at what you have done!!!!!
lol
sam
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Don't jump ship because of someone doing identity theft posts. I remember that happening before on another project. It's probably the same droid doing it. As soon as progress is being made this sucker pops up and tries to scare off everybody involved. Don't get scared he's just 1 little dweeb trying to throw in a monkey wrench. If we ignore him his superiors will take care of him for us. You guys have been making progress or he wouldn't be bothering us, so go like hell people. Some of you have been putting up great post don't stop the chatter. If you think the thief posting is bad study inductors for a bit and just ignore any questional posts. We are at the point now where we don't need the posts. We have the videos and we have many results. We are trading wiring diagrams and pictures. If we make a step backwards because of 1 bad post we only need to take 1 step backwards of our own to get back on track. We can do this and they can't stop us.
How will these ever be mass produced? 55' of wire in the outer wrap of a six inch. I have just out done myself in ugly for my new coil. (hang my head in shame) I hope it works anyway. Think there are many ways we have been limited to keep us from finding breakthroughs. Look at the FCC rules and frequency and wattage limits on componets.
What ever you do off-white is not a good fashion statement for appearance for these coils. On my new one I moved the control wrap wires to the outside because it was confusing people. Dropped to 12 wraps in the core, increased to 29 wraps in the control coils. I have been closing the outer wraps every time so this time I'll try leaving them open first run to see what that does first. Dropping to 12 wraps leaves my inside radius 1/2 inch to large.
I realise after going back through the posts I didn't answer a question well about how I was wired. I am sure I had it already torn down and couldn't send a picture so I will try to discribe in words. My top and bottom collectors were first connected in (4) parallel sections. Then wired clockwise in series. Back coil wired very like Otto did. Then The center collector was back coil wired in the counter clockwise direction in series with the other 2. I had a large cap in parallel between the input and output wire. I realised looking at Otto's arrangement that I made a mistake and the cap was providing poorly filtered dc (to low of voltage) and I should have been using pure DC. Well I already had it torn apart so.. You know how it goes. Oh, I forgot the top and bottom control wraps , left to right were clockwise, and the middle control wraps were CCW.
Only those of us that find themselves playing cats cradle with over 50 feet of wire know the real meaning of, What a tangled web we weave. On my new one they are all clockwise. (got 3 CCW collectors wound but not wrapped.
I've been checking out the formula (2 py*f) sin(wt) cos(wt) and supposably direction can be figured from the Argand Diagram.
Does it work out the space between coils for the first type TPU is the radius. In other words I'm asking if there is a relationship to Helmholtz Coils?
I'm going to place a pic of my ugly coil soon. The outside wraps need to be closed I think because I didn't get any results off it so far. When I unload the camera I'll post, but first I want to reconfigure some things and run this with the out wraps closed. Got some shots of the collector core responces with my scope. Changing to all clockwise collectors like this I think I need to analyse every last detail. Well like I said let's stay family and keep talking.
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Hi all,
Here is some more information that will be of assistance to anybody, who's intent is to apply them selves to tpu duplication / understanding.
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By the way. I have really THOUGHT about how to help you and the others. I can not tell you
too much about the design of the technology because the company who still owns the
technology is reading my every word, as you know and just waiting to cut off my pension if I
tell you too much.
BUT!
I want you to start and think of the generator principles the exact same way that passing
the sound barrier was accomplished. Read how the engineers in this country finally developed
the proper wing design to accomplish super sonic speed in aircraft. I hope it will give you
a picture of what is going on inside the generator and especially the collector.
I can only talk to you guys metaphorically because the company is threatening me constantly
and my attorneys have warned me several times this month to STOP writing to the web site or
I must face the consequences. I wonder if any of the folks realize just what I am risking
when I give them information that they just take for granted and then demand more.
The people who say that tubes are exactly the same as transistors are very, very naive. And
now I will tell you something very important. You remember I mentioned fast electron transit
time vs molasses?
Let us examine a simple audio amplifier. When you design an amplifier you try to isolate
noise, or hash from the mains power supply from getting into the B+ and contaminating the
output signal, etc. You can measure all kinds of noise from the mains in your B+ not to
mention all the noisy spikes from the solid state rectifiers giving the direct current to
the power capacitors. All of this is easily measured, or seen on a scope of most solid state
audio amplifiers. NOW design and make a good tube amplifier and you will immediately find a
dramatic difference in the B+ supply measurements and what you can see on the scope. No more
spikes from the solid state rectifiers, almost no hash from the mains power coming in!
REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal !
Now tell me? What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator
when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control
frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???
By the way, your Solid State amplifier generates so much noise that if you measure the mains
wiring you can see noise from YOUR amplifier actually getting back through the transformer
and into the mains input wiring!!!
It is obvious that most of the people reading the web site and experimenting know nothing
about reading a scope and understanding what perfect frequency is. They also have no concept
of how important the control frequencies are in order to make power from the collector.
It is obvious that most of the people trying to duplicate my experiment are not of the
intellectual caliber necessary to develop my technology or at the very least they need to
invest in some laboratory grade instruments in order to develop any progress.
I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior
knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to
control the reactions going on inside the collector.
Please place this on the web site and let them know that if they do not have a more then
average understanding of electron flow then they should not endeavor to try and duplicate my
device because they do not stand a chance. I am tired of reading their disappointments
because they do not have the education or the knowledge necessary to duplicate my
technology.
Sincerely,
SM
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Marinov and others speculated that when speed of light is broken by rotation speed of magnetic field - field can no longer diverge.
After reading Marinov information, Steven's actions make more sense.
Anything Steven gives, I can connect to rogue physicist - seriously - only terminolgy is different - theory is the same.
Holy shit, Steven, I built a two channel tube amp about 20 years ago - hmm - wonder what happened to it... tube amp is current amp - transistor amp is voltage.
I realize that you can not answer all questions. Even no answer is good information.
Questions:
1. how much crap (noise, etc) can be tolerated in the control frequency?
2. would crystal oscillator be better means than variable?
3. is there a "detector" used? crystal- natural or artificial, pyrite (Ferron), carborundum?
4. is there a coil arrangement that you did not show, but tried and was successful?
5. did you work with flat spiral coils - any results?
6. old radio attenas used only a couple of turns of wire - two or three - quote from 1921 "Principles Underlying Radio Communication", 2nd Ed. - Bureau of Standards, etc. "Coils of consisting of two or more turns of wire can be regarded as equivalent to vetical attennas of two or more times the height of the side of the coil." - what ratio would you recommend for an antenna?
7. the coil wrapped over all other coils is toroidal - it's B field lies within, but A field is active through center and around ring in direction of current (or is it opposite direction - I forget) - A-field is primary to B field and can be detected only when field is changing. HAve you ever ran a loop through the center perpendicular to the toroid? Results?
8. did you ever place a plant or leaf within the device center?
9. did you ever make early designs that were mechanical or mechanically excited (vibrated)?
10. are current and voltage in phase at output of collector? which lags? amount?
11. in the arrangement of 3 coils, wrapped with segmented coils, wrapped with one coil over - segments create one field or two counter-rotating fields? What sort of control does overwrap coil provide? Overwrap will offer large A-field in center with other fields - wouldn't this provide highly excited "direction" vector?
12. LR or LC?
13. buffer amplifier between load and oscillator
14. frequency multiplier? biased? multiple frequency or harmonic?
15. unrelated - ever work with conical coils? Tesla used this for very interesting transformer.
EDIT: 16. direction of rotation in northern hemisphere looking down? - not flipped over
We must all be careful, but I believe public forum is safer than private, so I will stay here.
To SM and LM - thanks for your time.
EDIT:
P.s. Tesla used the term "frequency" even when describing 1/4 wave pulses. Tesla also developed a multiwave oscillator and reworked the circuitry of Lakhovsky's version - fascinating!
EDIT-2:
quoting William Beaty - in this article: http://amasci.com/freenrg/audwall.html
A spike-impulse or "delta function" has an interesting frequency spectrum. It is composed of all possible sine waves of frequencies 1,2,3,4,etc. When a large set of sine wave signals are all added together, they cancel out everwhere except at the zero location (origin) of the graph. There they add up to create a large transient-spike.
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Wow some disappointing letter from SM
It is obvious that most of the people reading the web site and experimenting know nothing
about reading a scope and understanding what perfect frequency is. They also have no concept
of how important the control frequencies are in order to make power from the collector.
It is obvious that most of the people trying to duplicate my experiment are not of the
intellectual caliper necessary to develop my technology or at the very least they need to
invest in some laboratory grade instruments in order to develop any progress.
I assumed that anyone working on technology this sophisticated would have a superior
knowledge of electronics and an understanding of PURE frequency output being a Necessity to
control the reactions going on inside the collector.
Please place this on the web site and let them know that if they do not have a more then
average understanding of electron flow then they should not endeavor to try and duplicate my
device because they do not stand a chance. I am tired of reading their disappointments
because they do not have the education or the knowledge necessary to duplicate my
technology.
Well I guess we we have not found someone of intellectual intelligence the can make SM's machine.
I have never seen anyone prove OU only a bunch patents, videos, write ups and rumors none that have been proven. Maybe SM is the only man smart enough to do it. Maybe I am stupid and am just living a pipe dream. If one thinks they are going to build a OU device overnight they are wrong. If the only reason you are trying any of this stuff is to get rich or famous then disappointment will be very frustrating. To me this is a hobby, everything I learn is important regardless if I succeed. I try to share what I learn for those who might see something I do not. Perhaps it would be better if I didn't post any ideas or findings in fear I am way of base and may be just someone who is of lesser intelligence. I hope I didn't leave a bad taste in anyones mouth with this post but I am in disgust that SM thinks we are a bunch of idiots.
Cam
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Taking SM's comments about not being able to divulge too much information about his device, some may take his message as a diversion tactic to head experimenters into a safe direction away from the true working principle. Others may take this message to suggest that the device is more Homopolar in nature, totally passive picking up natural generated sine waves. The marketing of this device will be the proof that the performance claims are valid. In the meantime lets enjoy experimenting and not getting too despondent about being told that we are not educated or intelligent enough!
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c0mster:
Don't let the condescending attitude of the letter get you down. A man's mind is as good as he believes it to be. We set up our own mental barricades and beliefs about what we can or cannot do.
I believe that there is nothing made by man that we cannot understand if we have the time, patience, and a will to understand it. Lack of a willing student understanding the material points more towards either a poor teacher or one under certain constraints as may be the case here.
An ordinary TV set is hundreds of times more complex than a TPU. Yet thousands of average servicemen and engineers were able to understand this complex device through education and training.
Have fun in your hobby and remember that an amateur is "one who loves what he does". With time, the experience and finnesse of the art will come.
Let's get on with this thing !.......V
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Hey Hoppy
"Taking SM's comments about not being able to divulge too much information about his device, some may take his message as a diversion tactic to head experimenters into a safe direction away from the true working principle"
Yes, and some may take his cryptic message as that of a half-wit who has no understanding of what is at stake regarding our future. Willing to gamble possibly millions of lives so he can buy new toys, He and his kind are pathetic they have learned nothing from history. If I have one hope it is one of us finds answers, discloses the technology to everyone and sends them to the poor house. It's funny all of these people, years later, always express regrets for being so stupid and always after it is too late, we may as well live in the stone ages.
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His message may be criptic to you, but it speaks volumes to me.
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Here's my take on SM LM .. one maybe 2 guys who stumbled upon the videos with no concept at all of who really made them or how they work, frustrated that we cant quickly work it all out for them..
All the scientific credibility comes from some well qualified dead guy who can neither acknowledge or deny the information provided.
The information they provide is sketchy because it is just probably informed opinion from someone else who has had a crack at deciphering what they have been shown.
They have no more credible information to put forward so don't get sucked into the idea that they are holding back, there is just no more information to give.
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Here's my take on SM LM .. one maybe 2 guys who stumbled upon the videos with no concept at all of who really made them or how they work, frustrated that we cant quickly work it all out for them..
All the scientific credibility comes from some well qualified dead guy who can neither acknowledge or deny the information provided.
The information they provide is sketchy because it is just probably informed opinion from someone else who has had a crack at deciphering what they have been shown.
They have no more credible information to put forward so don't get sucked into the idea that they are holding back, there is just no more information to give.
Oh fun!
Perhaps you are familiar with a good phsycatrist to help me recover from my delusions?
Particle accelerators ...high speed fields.. metaphors.... save me from my confusion... oh please its people like you who contribute so much to the further understanding of complex things, and of course my on going mental recovery process!
I wish you well with your phd in disinterest....hmmm an interest in disinterest?
I do need a shrink.
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Heres the real deal Mr Mark and UEC: This device is either going to make it to market or
not... If it is coming to market, GET IT DONE! Why dick arround for over a decade?
If you are planning on never releasing this technology, why bother telling us anything?
If people are reading your words to ensure you don't give us the answer we'll never get
any useful information. If you have never recieved any money for the device why not give it away?
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Oh fun!
Perhaps you are familiar with a good phsycatrist to help me recover from my delusions?
Did someone accuse you of being delusional?
oh please its people like you who contribute so much to the further understanding of complex things...
You're one to talk. ::)
I wish you well with your phd in disinterest....hmmm an interest in disinterest?
I do need a shrink.
Disinterested partys do not post... We are all interested, but we're interested in real data. No one has delivered.
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Give it away?
and how would you do that?
Perhaps allowing an understanding of the devices would be the first step.
There are some who just want free power and do not want to understand its operation.
Those people should just be silent and watch. Its free to watch as well !They have nothing to offer the process even if they dont believe it.
In the meantime expressing your frustrations will never increase the likley hood of more information..the opposite is the case. Especially when the inventor is really tired of reading "wanna gimmeee" type stuff.
I am pretty sure that there wont be a "home made torriodal particle accelerator"
I will not respond to anything like this again Im tired of it too.
Keep well , we have a lot to learn don't... you.... think?
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Thanks DM .. but I can fall on my own sword if need be on this one.
The only thing I feel guilty about is that I may be offending some of the great minds who are here contributing to the real challenge of understanding this technology, which by the way I have no doubt is workable.
I wouldnt be still here otherwise.
And before I get accused of being some MIB detractor/distractionist/deciever/... yada yada ..
Get a grip.. read all my posts .. (they are still here .. and unmodified) ...
Therapy .. well .. don't go throwing good money after bad i say ...
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Hey Mannix
If you have the answers why wouldn't you share them? I don't get this-If your so smart you must know all credible scientific data say's global warming will screw us within 10 years-the point of no return. Mass extinctions, rising ph levels, fish stocks collapsing, rampant cancer rates biblical shit happening in our lifetime. And you say or imply you have answers but do nothing! Some gag clause I heard mentioned-will you let thousands of people die next year because this technology isn't here, but supposedly you are a scientific person and your logic say's you can't save everyone, so you do nothing. Your delusion is far more corrupt than DingusMungus at least given the means Dingus might act,you do nothing. Here is your delusion on a silver platter-go to a psychiatrist and tell them you have free energy, show them you are right-now tell them you will do nothing for ten years, when it may be too late, does this sound sane, rational or logical. If you have the answers your logic is flawed and you are delusional in the eyes of everyone here and probably the world, we have no respect in any way for persons who could do such a thing.
So why are you here?
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Give it away?
and how would you do that?
Schematic maybe? drawings? component list... I got more suggestions if needed...
Perhaps allowing an understanding of the devices would be the first step.
8 months not sufficient... maybe its the teacher...
There are some who just want free power and do not want to understand its operation.
Those people should just be silent and watch. Its free to watch as well !They have nothing to offer the process even if they dont believe it.
Sure! Let me run out and drop cash on several spools of wire... should it be: iron, copper, insulated, multistranded?
Let the builders know what they're building and I'm sure more people will quit bitching and start working.
In the meantime expressing your frustrations will never increase the likley hood of more information..the opposite is the case. Especially when the inventor is really tired of reading "wanna gimmeee" type stuff.
WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY INFORMATION YET!
I am pretty sure that there wont be a "home made torriodal particle accelerator"
I'll have to find the url later.... My friend in MN is actually building one.
I will not respond to anything like this again Im tired of it too.
What responce? You didn't answer or even retort... Your "responce" was nothing more then another verbal carrot on a stick. Example: "Keep talking like that and we wont share anymore information..."
Keep well , we have a lot to learn don't... you.... think?
Yes... Yes we do. I can't wait for it to actually begin.
Ok I'm going to disappear now. I'm sorry to those who are angered by my reply.
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"There are some who just want free power and do not want to understand its operation.
Those people should just be silent and watch. Its free to watch as well !They have nothing to offer the process even if they dont believe it."
Oh my god mannix is YODA- Question me not earthling
Dingus we must offer the almighty process an offering,a young virgin maybe, HAIL the process HAIL the process
What kind of BS is that, that's rediculous- Do you think some starving mother and dying kids in africa gives a shit about your "process". What part of people dying all over the freaking planet for power do you not understand? Power means clean water, lights to read by-education),sanitation and jobs and you would deny them all of this because they don't understand the process? Dude you need help your all screwed up-too much time in the lab with your head in the proton accelerator.
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Dingus/AllCanuck,
I agree with a lot of your comments, well, maybe not AllCanucks last one. There is a lot of beating around the bush going on. No solid information has ever been given, just little cryptic clues and a lot of reading between the lines. I was a little surprised at the comment that SM did not want to give out any information or the company will cut off his pension. I think the millions of lives this device could save would be worth more than any pension could be. But, we are not in his shoes so we shouldn't judge him so badly.
A lot of these frustrations are from months of waiting for solid information without any reply. Only more kinda clues. I don't like him implying that we are not smart enough to figure it out. With the clues he gives, it is pretty hard to put it all together. But I do think some people are getting close. What I am scared of is that if this pissing match continues, we may not get anymore clues at all. Maybe the next clue will be the one in which we say " yeah, now I see".
Hey Grumpy, The good old days of vacuum tubes. I have been repairing old (real old) radios since the late 60's. I've worked on TV's also but didn't like it, they take up a lot of room which I didn't have. I still have a couple of tube testers. One is out of a department store. I'm sure you know the kind I'm talking about. You could bring in your tubes and test them yourself. The one I have is full of tube. There is probably close to 300 of them.
Sorry for being off topic on this one.
Tim
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I know Im off topic and probably out of line with my comments but I think this is a fundamental question someone should answer. How could you knowingly let possibly millions of people die by not disclosing information? for a pension? Do these people watch television and see what is happening in Darfur? What kind of mentality is involved to do nothing? To watch Rome burn while you soak your feet in a bucket of water. I don't get this in any way, there is no circumstance which could justify this, I guess we are raised with different values.
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on the news here last night in melbourne australia ..
huge pile of mulch has the potential to burst into flames .. the funny thing is that putting water on it will just make it hotter as it will create more fuel .. ???? huh ??? .. stick some bloody thermal conversion rods in this baby and lets start powereing up on all this free energy ...
aint it funny how some people see a probelm and others an opportunity
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If SM would be smart,
he would join the forum himself as an anonymous user
and would post some hints from his "replication" effort,
so Paul Stemm and the other owner would not know it is him....
So he could do it anonymously from an Internet caffee
so not to be chaseable...
What is SM afraid of ?
He would not have to give away the exact setup,
but at least show a basic experiment ,
so one can see the real kicks and so one could
see, that more power is generated somehow via the
"kicks" than was applied to generate these "kicks".
Maybe he could just name himself as a friend of SM,
who happened to work with him or something simular...
I guess, if he was so smart to invent the TPU, he
also could be as SMART to post infos anonymously
and not just via Mannix...
do you all agree ?
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Manix and sm's whole point is that they want us to understand the technology, and i say that it would be a lot easier to understand with a basic working model to learn from, which is proving very difficult to acheive at present. Lifes to short for this crap, i guess this sm guy will just be another stanley meyers and fade away without changing the world forever. Unlike sm, stanley meyers had every intention of doing great things with his technology.
What happened to the guy that acheived Q . has there been anymore info on this? . Also i noticed that the last letter from sm is dramaticly differnt from all previous letters, the way its worded.
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The problem we face is,
that all the 3 or 4 TPUs shown in the videos
are totally different setups each and everybody is
concentrating on another one, so it is getting mixed up
all the time...
So if SM could at least point us anonymously into the right
direction how to generate these kicks in an overunity mode,
so that the kick output energy is higher than to generate them,
then we could work from thereone on our own and scale
the effect up...
But the first thing would be to generate the kicks in an overunity
mode so to speak.
Maybe the shockwave thread is a good thing to start ?
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Potential eddies are capable of a structure formation, and they spread due to their particle character as longitudinal shock wave in the area.
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Potential eddies are capable of a structure formation, and they spread due to their particle character as longitudinal shock wave in the area.
Can you please provide more info on this ?
Do you have a few links to this information and how it can be applied over here ?
Thanks !
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RE shock waves actually auto-intensify when encountering segmented objects.
The segmentation is the key to releasing the action.
This shock wave does not pass throug the windings of the coil but treats the surface of the coil as a transmission path.
The RE wave is quite diffrent from the electromagnetic field generated around a wire.
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
The reason for this arrangement is that the magnetic field component of the coils is (nearly) zero as the current flowing across the wire is flowing in opposite directions in alternate turns, and so the magnetic field produced should cancel out.
High voltage high frequency alternating current between two metal objects create a solid state "space" exhibiting the attributes of mass, inertia and momentum.
etc. etc.
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What do you mean by "RE shock wave"?
Is this the same as recompression?
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RE shock waves actually auto-intensify when encountering segmented objects.
The segmentation is the key to releasing the action.
This shock wave does not pass throug the windings of the coil but treats the surface of the coil as a transmission path.
The RE wave is quite diffrent from the electromagnetic field generated around a wire.
Some coils wil be better if they are wound as *-filar serially-connected coils, which just means that the wire used to wind them is multiplied over from certain point(s) before the coil is wound.
The reason for this arrangement is that the magnetic field component of the coils is (nearly) zero as the current flowing across the wire is flowing in opposite directions in alternate turns, and so the magnetic field produced should cancel out.
High voltage high frequency alternating current between two metal objects create a solid state "space" exhibiting the attributes of mass, inertia and momentum.
etc. etc.
Please tell us more, sounds very interesting.
What are RE shockwaves ?
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http://flux.aps.org/meetings/YR99/CENT99/abs/S5987.html
our poster is coming out of this zone and i am guessing relaxation effect shockwaves ...
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The magnetization in such FM domains has a component which is opposite to the external field direction
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do i get an elephant stamp or a gold star for this one Steve ...
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this has not been about money its about not wanting to be the next Fleischmann and Pons ...
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intellectual exile would be far worse than any death imaginable ... 8)
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google -> Nix magnetic resonance
uncanny how many nix's are involved in this field .. hmmm
ok .. now i am really stretching the lateral thinking here .. even i can recognise that ....
back in yor box deano .. ;)
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http://www.altenergy-pro.com/index.htm
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You guys are harsh the last couple of days. Steven can't tell us more. But I want you to remember this was in developement 30 years and we got 10 of that so we all new this wouldn't be simple and quick. Control questions are dangerous to Steven. Theory of magnetism and general electrical formulas and things of that nature should be safe.
Steven posts here that means he is part of our family. We'll not want him hurt or sued out of existence. This is a long haul experiment on a circuit that is a bit foreign to what any of us are used to working on. I have been relaxed at the work bench doing, I promise not to get excited or upset. Probably Steven's best bet is to go join a unrelated post here and enjoy being part of our community. I'm going to take a break from the bench and read up on scorched circuits, got a friend, and a post by grumpy elsewere's here makes me pause what I'm fighting with for the moment. There might be many ways to skin this cat. "Several signals can travel in a single wire independently." Our solution when we and if we get one could be completely alien to the patented controls owned by the company. Things are turning a little obsessive with me and this TPU anyway, almost took it with me the other day while walking the dog. I haven't had any type of intuition on this circuit yet and was thinking maybe if I just look at it a while the answer might just jump out and call me stupid. You can also rotate a field with sinewaves.
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can also reflect back on itself
more than one way to achieve the shock wave but must have very sudden change in field - by whatever means - over and over - field must never be allowed to relax and dissipate completely - nor must it be allowed to become the monster.
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Well, getting some through put from the coils. Charged up a 20000uf 50v cap and when I turned on the light, pow went the filament. So at least I am drawing "some" useable power from it. Takes a while for it to happen but on the way there.
Still trying to fathom out how to make this thing self generate yet tho. Still chaseing it.
sugra
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Hello to all,
I'm a newbie, just one of those that you say are following but not sharing anything with the few guys which are actually experimenting. Well I'm now so concerned with TPU that I find myself thinking about it also when it is supposed to do other things! So I've reached the following conclusion that I like to share. May I ask your opinion/help about this, just before starting to assemble my project?
Geometry:
Let me assume that this TPU is structured on 2 rings, one over the other, with a between distance of let us say 2 Inch. The rings are just house garden hoses. The ring diameter is 10 Inch.
Purposes:
The under ring is the continuous power generator, the upper ring is for generating auto start voltage surge for the initial powering of the under ring (actually it is my opinion that this ring could be better positioned just around the under ring itself).
Under Ring architecture:
The under ring is composed of 4 air coils at 90? plus 1 collector coil wrapped over the others and wound in bifilar way. Each of the 4 coils is simple straight windings, may be each one up to 3 segments that may be put in series or parallel...
Upper ring architecture:
The upper ring is composed by a magnetic loop Antenna tuned to .....5,0 KHz?. The antenna output is rectified with a germanium diode and properly fed back to the lower ring in series (protection circuits must be provided).
Operating considerations:
1.The TPU must have a kick generator for the auto start. This kick could be supplied by the sudden insertion of a magnet near the upper ring itself (The Antenna) . First of all I've to verify/optimize the rectified output coming from the HI Q tuned circuit. This output must not be levelled, as the voltage is transient e.g. is rich of harmonics that are what we are looking for. The voltage spikes so obtained are fed to the generator collector ring (one of the bifilar winding), may be I've to exchange polarities.
2.The generator ring has: 4 windings connected a-la-Tesla in order to obtain, when properly driven, a rotating field; a collector coil bifilar winded with purpose to obtain: a tuned circuit (5.01 KHz?) that excited with the spike pulses rich of harmonics but with a base frequency 5,0 KHz resonates and coupled to upper ring enhances the spikes there produced so increasing number and amplitude of the spikes themselves. The little frequency difference does produce, as the signal combines (+and -) in the upper loop, double size spikes so increasing in an exponential way the voltage.
Note: may be that the correct resonance frequency (of the antenna)is just provided by the presence of the starting magnet.
3.As the voltage reaches a good level (few Volts?) a passive circuit drives in quadrature the collector coil.
4.We should have now a sustained horizontal rotating field.
5.I forgot to say that I've put in the toroid centre a vertical strong Magnet.
6.As the horizontal field rotates it cuts the vertical magnet vertical field of the central magnet. This cutting is done at 5KHz and does produce a very strong auto-induction on the collector winding so should be possible to extract power from the free collector bifilar winding a-la-Marinov with all the sides effect about local ionization, gyro, plasma,?.
I intend to start building the magnetic antenna and see what kind of output I'm to find for the 5KHz resonance. Perhaps, considering the oscillator approach that I intend to use with the lower ring would be necessary fractions of Volt.
Sound interesting or I've to forget all?
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Hi,Ronotte.Germanium diode has got a maximum forward voltage drop of 0.3 Volt.
You can excite the upper antenna using a magnet,but there will be only a few milliVolts.....and harmonics will be a few microVolts.
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Give it away?
and how would you do that?
Schematic maybe? drawings? component list... I got more suggestions if needed...
Perhaps allowing an understanding of the devices would be the first step.
8 months not sufficient... maybe its the teacher...
There are some who just want free power and do not want to understand its operation.
Those people should just be silent and watch. Its free to watch as well !They have nothing to offer the process even if they dont believe it.
Sure! Let me run out and drop cash on several spools of wire... should it be: iron, copper, insulated, multistranded?
Let the builders know what they're building and I'm sure more people will quit bitching and start working.
In the meantime expressing your frustrations will never increase the likley hood of more information..the opposite is the case. Especially when the inventor is really tired of reading "wanna gimmeee" type stuff.
WE HAVEN'T GOT ANY INFORMATION YET!
I am pretty sure that there wont be a "home made torriodal particle accelerator"
I'll have to find the url later.... My friend in MN is actually building one.
I will not respond to anything like this again Im tired of it too.
What responce? You didn't answer or even retort... Your "responce" was nothing more then another verbal carrot on a stick. Example: "Keep talking like that and we wont share anymore information..."
Keep well , we have a lot to learn don't... you.... think?
Yes... Yes we do. I can't wait for it to actually begin.
Ok I'm going to disappear now. I'm sorry to those who are angered by my reply.
Steve Marks did not need anyone feeding him how to build this TPU so technically neither do you! What Mannix and Steve have provided; many lengthy videos, cutting open of the TPU, personal discussions and conversations, risking their pensions to help humanity.... they have done more than enough, now it is our turn. Evan
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@ fcpeace
Please check debate thread for response and or continued discusion.
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Hi IdentFlyObj, in fact I thought to use Litz wire (64 wire) for the Antenna in order to increase voltage...again I don't know the magnetic antenna Q I will obtain...the goal is just to break the 0,3 voltage limit or use a microwave diode. Any suggestion is welcome.
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With regards to a possible mixing of frequency.
Beat frequency experiment:
http://cmnet.ca/projects/sm/beat1.wmv
C0mster
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Did SM ever actually state that the TPU had a "rotating magnetic field"?
For all we know the four coils are chokes, spaced a quarter wave apart, to dampen the kicks.
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Hello all,
for a long time I was thinking about 22 turns I read somewhere. Mr. Mannix said a long time ago the collectors have 22 turns.
Then in a post he said in the cutted TPU we can see 3 hollows.
This hollows had no sence to me but I was thinking about it until I understand.
This 3 hollows are from 3 collectors!!
Then I remembered J:L:Naudin and the
RODIN COIL
so I builded one.
The rotational magnetic field in this coil is much stronger then in an Oridinary coil!!!
At low frequencies the Rodin coil vibrates. It is a very strong vibration!!
I will in the next days build a TPU with Rodincoils as collector coils just to see what will happen.
If you are interested in Rodin coils just google it.
Otto
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Looking over previous posts, here is a summary of features:
1. 3 seperate coils of stout stranded wire - three is important - why?
2. The control wiring is vertically wound in several segments around each of the horizontal collector coils (as in individually). Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.
3. If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and if you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you want in a given space.
4. - You create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
5. Many wires are perpindicular to the main collector. This is NECESSARY.
6. The source for the signal becomes the feed, so no amplification of power is needed.
At one moment it sounds like an antenna with loading coils - next moment it sounds like you just create pulses and collect the radiant energy.
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Hi All
I'm a newbie. I signed up after seeing the Steve Marks demo videos on youtube. Amazed isn't the word.
I haven't read all of this thread (I hope to one day, but it's so big I may be an old man by then :o) .
Anyway, after reading some of the start of the thread & some of the end....
If Steve is helping the thread with clues then why not just publish the schematics (anonymously if need be) for the sake of humanity. Once the plans are out there & everyone builds them then what can 'the powers that be' do.
Given the internet & the means to transmit data to everyone before being 'bumped off', why aren't inventors publishing them?
Also (kind of related) if Stoern does indeed have a free energy device, then why not publish the plans? If it's because they want to make money, then I'm sure they will once the oil companies buy the patents out and store it with all the rest! Such companies / inventors are part of the problem & not the solution in my opinion, greed seeming to be their ultimate motivation (except for those scared off or killed, of course).
If I was genius enough to come up with a free energy device, it'd be published on the net as soon as I'd got it working. However, as I'm not a genius (I can set my VCR clock though :o) I wouldn't hold your breath. Easy to say I know because nobody is holding a cheque for $x million in my face nor a knife to my kids neck.
But, as I said above, once the plans are out there what can 'they' do?
Sorry if I've covering old ground, posted in the wrong place or just annoyed you, but thought I'd chip in.
Anyway, I'll go & start reading from the start again now.
Cheers
Siggy
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Steven has stated that the device is hushed by the US Government. Similar to restrictions on classified information - Steven is not even supposed to talk about it to anyone without proper clearance and the need to know. If he posted certain information, they would assume it was him and possibly file charges - sieze assets - etc.
Stefan Marinov was planning to demonstrate his device at a physics symposium - only to commit suicide (fell 4 floors - backwards) just before this event.
In both devices, the fear factor is not the aspect of free energy, but the aspect of a simple, but very powerful, destructive device.
I thought at one time that the operating principles were identical, but I think now that they are only similar. Marinov left behind more information and, reportedly, duplications have been made, but none will come forward.
I think the understanding of the TPU is at the point that it is a radiant energy collector - ala Nikola Tesla or Henry Moray.
If you are unable to recreate the TPU - accept that fact.
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Can anyone tell me if they think the SM TPU's coils might oscillate by means of a tank circuit ??? Is there some small capacitors in the 90V unit ???
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Hey Freedom
You quoted Steven as saying--
'WE are not talking about a coil or a transformer or anything developing a primary to secondary flux. We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it.
This quote should make it perfectly clear that THERE IS ONLY ONE COIL. The coil is, according to my interpretation, a transmission line like a delay line. This is the approach I intend to pursue with my Transmissioline Line Oscillator Approach thread.
I think your getting very warm here!
We all know that the moment voltage and current are applied to a long straight wire, that the energy is instantaneously at the other end of the wire as well as a magnetic field encompassing the entire circuit. The problem is this is impossible! Both fields can travel at the speed of light but that is not instantaneous action, it takes time for anything to move from here to there, you cannot argue this.I think you should read a paper by floyd sweet called "nothing is something", he argue's just this point and uses electrons in a long wire as an example- It should explain many things and is a very interesting read.
He basically argues what Tesla obviously knew, that there is a moment in time when power has been applied but nothing is moving in the wire, and if this is so then what happens when once things start moving you dissconnect the wire? You can have current flowing in a wire that has been disconnected, because nothing happens instantly. You need to percieve or imagine what might happen in a circuit if time were flowing in extra slow motion. If you could see the electrons slowly moving at a snails pace, only then do things start to make sense. What would happen if a slug of energy were trapped in the middle of a piece of wire and forced to move energy from another circuit?
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Hi all, i?m new here...
Well, here is something I found surfing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...10479374903373
ONLY look for this if you have free time. A video of a Steve Mark that makes a toroid coil with magnets that will provide energy from the earth magnetic waves.
Anyone heard of this? This MPI company (though it says UEC on the video) bought it and they have a US patent pending.
Appears he sold the rights to http://magneticpowerinc.com/patent.html
Here is the patent application:
http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-...pplication.pdf
Anyone have any insite on this? Be nice.
The drawing looks like Tesla might have done them.
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Sorry, links`re:
Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373
Patent application:
http://www.magneticpowerinc.com/mpi-patentapplication.pdf
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WOW! gapo where did you get that??
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I was looking at this video the other day and noticing (at the very first) how he turns the unit on and then measures it with a tape measure that looks and sounds like a normal metal tape. The unit is on, has a vibration and slight gyroscopic effect and THEN he measures it, and yet the tape measure does not seem to be encountering any magnetic effect.
Kent
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Steven or atleast the guy in the video says the unit is 12 Oz. How much wire is 12 OZ's? Not Much.
The patent application is the Gunderson device.
C0mster
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Hi all
Since I began to read this thread, I often think about the words/hints "... like squeezing a hose...".
Have you ever heard about the skin-effekt caused by alternating current?
Quote from Wikipedia:
The skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor so that the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core. That is, the electric current tends to flow at the "skin" of the conductor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect
The skin effekt increase the resistance of an alternating current conducting wire by increasing the current desity on the skin of the wire.
So if the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core and high current means more electrons in a certain space, what is in the core of the wire, no electrons? Nevertheless it becomes high ohmic. But what is highohmic? Does it mean that there are less electrons to create current flow?
I don?t know, but let me assume that.
Now imagine a multistranded, non insulated litz wire, send high alternating current through it. The current density on ther outer litzes will increase, and the inner ones are "empty/ less or no electrons" -> high ohmic.
Connect now a DC current on the inner litzes for a very, very short time, perhaps microsenconds. In the same time switch off the alternating current
My assumtion is now that all the electrons that where collected on the outer litzes by the skin-effect will collide with the "few" electrons you put in the inner litzes by connecting the DC current.
Cann this collision be the kick we?re looking for?
Well rereading this reply I have to admit, that it is a poor theory. But I have also to admit, that I have no other idea, how this device could work.
kr
2Tiger
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RE: Magnetic Fields
Quote from SM via Mannix:
<<The meter measures anything powerful in regard to electron flow based on the strength of magnetic field.
So the meter displays that there is OBVIOUSLY a LARGE magnetic field inside the coil!!!!!
If the meter says five amps just from a contact high, that means there is one helava lot of power spinning around inside there>>
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2tiger,
At this point your theory is as good as anyones. I suggest you expand your theory and build a experimental test setup. See how many of the observed characteristics of the SM devices can conform to your theory.
Sparkman
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Hi All,
You might find this very interesting:-
http://mrsec.wisc.edu/Edetc/cineplex/NMR/index.html
Nuclear Magnetic Resonance
Oscillation frequencies of the compass needles decrease with increasing distance from the magnets on the left.
Gives you ideas doesn't it
Dom
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EMDevices - where fore art thou?
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Now that I have learned how to drive a tank circuit and make sure I see it oscillate on the scope. I connected it up to one coil on my TPU. Brought it to resonance and connected channel 2 of the scope to the second coil on the tpu. Here is a large pic that shows a definite oscillation of a different frequency in the second coil. Same in the other 2 coils. Relevant, who knows, I need to understand why it is doing this.
http://www.cmnet.ca/projects/sm/smc2.jpg
C
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Now that I have learned how to drive a tank circuit and make sure I see it oscillate on the scope. I connected it up to one coil on my TPU. Brought it to resonance and connected channel 2 of the scope to the second coil on the tpu. Here is a large pic that shows a definite oscillation of a different frequency in the second coil. Same in the other 2 coils. Relevant, who knows, I need to understand why it is doing this.
http://www.cmnet.ca/projects/sm/smc2.jpg
C
Cam,
That is the coil ringing from the pulse. (transmission line effect of bouncing pulse). It degrades due to the signal losing strength due to wire resistance.
This is the effect the coil/inductance testers use to check for shorts in coils. But a mor eintersting question is, is this an effect that SM uses?
If your scope has a delta time function you can use that to determine the period of the first cycle (the strongest pulse) and use the 1/T to determine the frequency. I believe this should be the resonant frequency of the coil or pretty close.
Have you determined the natural resonance of the coils yet? If so this could/should match the ringing signal frequency from above I believe.
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Hi,
I personally do not have the time to follow the SM threads, but I just wanted to thank everyone working on such a globally and vitally important great cause.
The technology required to make a "free energy" machine is old and has no threat to security what so ever. The governments would be amongst the last people I would trust as far as the well being of this planet. They would have billions of people burning polluting gasoline, which is destroying this planet.
This world is in DISPARATE need of global "free energy" and I BEG everyone to put forth as much effort as humanly possible to make this a reality.
The SM machine is but method example of "free energy." The best form of "free energy" is an Energy Mover. IOW, a machine that simply moves the energy in ambient temperature to the device, say a television, and the television in turn gives off heat, which returns the energy back to the environment (ambient temperature). This is an energy loop. No energy created or destroyed. It is the best form of energy for this planet. The Magnetocaloric Effect is one means of moving ambient temperature energy to usable electricity. Such technology requires Classical physics and is by no means advanced technology or a threat to any national security!!!!!!!
Kind regards,
Paul Lowrance
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Have you determined the natural resonance of the coils yet? If so this could/should match the ringing signal frequency from above I believe.
@starcruiser
You are correct. :) I checked it on the scope without the cap on the first coil and the oscillations are the same.
tks, now I get it.
C0mster
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@c0mster,
Did you find the ringing or natural resonant frequency around the 1.5Mhz area?
I keep finding this frequency range with my collectors (16ga stranded @ 12 turns on a 4.5" form).
I was looking at this website http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm and was thinking about trying a similar wiring to see what effect the TPU coils provide. What do you think?
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I want to tell you something important that may help you to understand what is going on inside the collector.
You know what a particle accelerator is... Well you can accelerate electrons to past the speed of light and you know what happens? They disappear. Does that mean that there is no speed of light ? NO, it means that the electrons go out of this dimensional plane. Scientists are not prepared to explain anything beyond this point. Neither am I. However it has been hypothesized that IF the electrons did not leave our dimensional realm, and stayed here, they would rip the fabric of time and space, possibly destroying our universe as we know it. That means that the power released would be unbelievable and totally inconceivable to mankind. But never the less, it is fact.
My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....
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I truely wish I could just agree more in this forum and not contradict so much and for that I am sorry. But I think clarifying things, based on documented facts adds to our understanding, it challenges us to rationanalize what we think.
And so Mannix
Accelerators move particles towards the speed of light not past it to some mysterious unproven dimension. As far as I know Einsteins speed of light as an absolute still holds true. If any particle should exceed the speed of light(a moving charge) it's matter fields must interact with all matter in it's vicinity with it, hence increasing mass in the particle and energy required.
As well if a cannon shot another cannon as a bullet, the second cannon has nothing to hold it in place therefore as it fired, the recoil takes some of the energy which should have moved the projectile forward. It is a paradox! The cannons get progressively smaller, and the charges required progressively larger because they are losing to recoil effect, it cannot work as explained for more than a few cycles.
I am confused with the electron analogy too, the electron(a moving charge)does not create a magnetic field, it is intrinsic to the moving charge. If two magnetic fields cancel each other this does not change the fact that an ever increasing amount of energy is required to accelerate the charge and this energy interacts with it's surroundings. I am not saying that a system could not pull energy from it's surroundings ,but entropy still apply's here and this ensures a runaway condition remains impossible.
Im sorry I just don't get this at all, too many contradictions.
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I truely wish I could just agree more in this forum and not contradict so much and for that I am sorry. But I think clarifying things, based on documented facts adds to our understanding, it challenges us to rationanalize what we think.
And so Mannix
Accelerators move particles towards the speed of light not past it to some mysterious unproven dimension. As far as I know Einsteins speed of light as an absolute still holds true. If any particle should exceed the speed of light(a moving charge) it's matter fields must interact with all matter in it's vicinity with it, hence increasing mass in the particle and energy required.
As well if a cannon shot another cannon as a bullet, the second cannon has nothing to hold it in place therefore as it fired, the recoil takes some of the energy which should have moved the projectile forward. It is a paradox! The cannons get progressively smaller, and the charges required progressively larger because they are losing to recoil effect, it cannot work as explained for more than a few cycles.
I am confused with the electron analogy too, the electron(a moving charge)does not create a magnetic field, it is intrinsic to the moving charge. If two magnetic fields cancel each other this does not change the fact that an ever increasing amount of energy is required to accelerate the charge and this energy interacts with it's surroundings. I am not saying that a system could not pull energy from it's surroundings ,but entropy still apply's here and this ensures a runaway condition remains impossible.
Im sorry I just don't get this at all, too many contradictions.
Actually C is only a limit for particles with mass. And the practical limit is far less than the speed of light.
The problem is, what they have noticed, is that electrons have simply disappeared in colliders, and to explain it, theorists have conjectured that they actually did reach and possibly exceed the speed of light, and either change into another particle, or shift dimensionally, or both.
What really surprises me, is that there is a question that nobody seems to ask. Conventional physics say that an electron has mass. How can it even approach the speed of light in the first place, since relativity says any object with mass would increase in mass, and require more energy to move the closer it gets to C. Once it hits C, it would have infinite mass, and require all the energy stored in all the detectable matter in the known universe to propel it any further.
Yet, scientists do this all the time, or at least they get them very close to C. Are we to assume then that electrons are actually massless?
The point is, don't allow yourself to be blinded by education. Studying anomaly, is the key. No scientists should ever be heard to say, when noticing something anomalous, "But that's impossible!!, it must be something else!"
As to the cannon thing, it was just supposed to be an illustration, a "best shot" at an analogy. Not to be analyzed for it's specific physical credibility. It was just an attempt to explain that there are several points within the device that accelerate the particles, beyond what you would think possible with a normal circuit and extract energy from the increased speed.
I mean if you really wanted to analyze that, you would have noted that the second cannon would add absolutely ZERO or very little speed to the projectile "stack", as the second it fired, it would drop to the ground, due to the force of the blast counteracting it's forward momentum, and the projectile would continue on at a speed determined by the second charge, if the charge was the same, it would travel slightly faster, since the second cannon's mass is smaller, and the resulting projectiles mass smaller still, far LESS energy would be resulting, since mass*velocity = kinetic energy.
Also, speed is not voltage, but current. The fatter the pipe, the lower the resistance the faster the particle. Voltage is the amount or potential for energy, current is the force, and hence speed of which it is moved, however I didn't see you having a problem with that.
We need to read through and find the message that is trying to be conveyed here, not critique every small detail of the analogies. When we do this, we get nothing from it at all.
Regards,
gn0stik.
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It's nice to meet people who know there stuff for a change. I didn't mean to criticize too harshly and usually I just keep quiet.
I just couldn't resist the post by mannix because the contradictions are so blatant and numerous, Im sure there's some meaning hidden in his words of wisdom.
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Electrons can excede the speed of light in the medium that they are traveling in, and release an interesting radiation whn this occurs:
Look up "Cherenkov radiation"
A common analogy is the sonic boom of a supersonic aircraft or bullet. The sound waves generated by the supersonic body do not move fast enough to get out of the way of the body itself. Hence, the waves "stack up" and form a shock front. Similarly, a speed boat generates a large bow shock because it travels faster than waves can move on the surface of the water.
In the same way, a superluminal charged particle generates a photonic shockwave as it travels through an insulator.
All Manix was saying is "push the electrons faster than the speed of light".
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Now that I have learned how to drive a tank circuit and make sure I see it oscillate on the scope. I connected it up to one coil on my TPU. Brought it to resonance and connected channel 2 of the scope to the second coil on the tpu. Here is a large pic that shows a definite oscillation of a different frequency in the second coil. Same in the other 2 coils. Relevant, who knows, I need to understand why it is doing this.
http://www.cmnet.ca/projects/sm/smc2.jpg
C
Hi Comster,
please supply a username and password,
otherwise we can not see it..
It is a password protected area.
Thanks.
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Im Baaaack:
I have set up a webcam in my lab. The site I host it on is not the greatest but it's free. check http://c0mster.ww.com.
C0mster
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Now thats neat... ;D
video?
live feed?
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Nice realtime display of your work on your coils there ! :D
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what cracks me up is that there are a bunch of quasi scientists here describing quantum mechanics in a newtonian framework as if an electron is some real particle like a little earth revolving around a sun .. people this is just a means for conceptualising sub atomic particles not the reality of them .. as for the poor analogy suggested by mannix for relativity .. hahaha .. keep it up you guys .. you can fool some of the people some of the time but when full disclosure comes for this parlour game .. i am harnessing myself to the front row seats so as not to hurt myself too much falling to the ground with my guts aching from laughter.
Do you want fries with that !!!!
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PS no one picked up on the fact that its amperage that will kill ya every time .. not voltage..
OHMs my god this is getting ridiculous .. sheesh
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Speaking of faster than light speeds,
Light can break its own speed limit, researchers say
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/TECH/space/07/20/speed.of.light.ap/
Faster Than Light Effect Baffles Boffins
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060411212755data_trunc_sys.shtml
This pulse "propagation? or duplication?" is pretty interesting
http://www.rochester.edu/news/photos/backward_light.mpg
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Dean,
Do you think you could say or do something constructive?
All I see is you putting everyone down and being negative all the time.
Can I ask where your work is, or your research?
So some people don't realise that as well as photons having wave particle duality, so do all the other particles. Little round balls like planets being a visualisation tool only. If people are engineers, not relativisists or with phD in QCD or something, these are things not everyone will know. You don't need to know it to be an engineer, thinking they are little round balls is sufficient for most electrical work!
If you have all the answers, why do you not try and help people rather than point out what they don't know in a negative way. Not everyone has all the answer like you apparently do. You could start with posting your own research and build attempts and show everyone else where they are apparently going wrong?
Best regards,
Dave.
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Hi Dave, just don?t care about negative postings, just skip them and don?t respond. They are are only stealing your time to explain, how your unit works...
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from Wikipedia:
Cherenkov radiation (also spelled Cerenkov or sometimes ÄŒerenkov) is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium.
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just like the shockwave in front of a power boat...
varoom... boom!
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Only the over all speed of light is slowed down. The fact that light takes longer to travel through a medium such as glass is because the light is in a state of being absorbed and then re-emitted from atom to atom. :)
Regards,
Paul Lowrance
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raburgeson,
I am trying to find a 1920s book on inductors and transformer design. I believe what you are trying to find by intuitive thought has been purposely left out of modern day education.
There is a big chapter left out as you say purposely. That is a technology known as Magnetic Amplifiers.
You can only find out about them if you buy an old book. I bought one (use amazon.com not amazon.de etc )
it is called "Non Linear Magnetic control devices" by Geyer. 1964. I recoomend this book for all interested in the topic. Note that the word transformer does not even appear in the title!
AM
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AM
There is a big chapter left out as you say purposely. That is a technology known as Magnetic Amplifiers.
Note that the word transformer does not even appear in the title!
The word "transformer" does not appear in the title because magnetic amplifiers are not transformers, they are a configuration of one or more devices known as a saturable reactor.
The company that I helped to start in 1965 would have had a magamp as a first product had not the SCR been sufficiently produced at a low cost.
As far as I know there is nothing magic about this technology, but you can check it out for yourself if you think there may be. They do not create power, they control power, just like your light dimmer.
They had their heyday in any fixed application such as fire control for big guns on ships where weight was not a problem.
They are not taught in newer books because it is rather obsolete technology since the same control function can be accomplished in a tiny fraction of the size and weight of a magamp.
They are very robust devices, practically immune to line transients, however they are not that efficient compared to semiconductors.
There was plentiful information on these devices when they were popular time has just passed them. Have fun playing with them and get your floors re-enforced if you plan to control (not create) large amounts of power.
Of course I might just be a plant to discourage your FE research ;)
At any rate there are 1,240,000 references if you google it. You could get a free old magamp book download from pmillet.com technical books online
I wish people would really do their research before creating intrigue.
Regards, Sparkman
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Actually someone posted the mangetic amplifier pdf recently .. i have not got the reference link here now though when i get home i will repost the pdf. I read it and found it very informative in terms of different windings and configurations that would be of great help to people attempting to gain a foothold understanding in this forum.
Someone else may wish to repost if they have a copy.
Regards,
Dean (attempting to be more civil)
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Dean
Good on ya!
There i was clicking you post ready for another anger up surge...and no.... I have a warm fuzzy feeling instead.
thanks
Lindsay
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sparkman
I wish people would really do their research before creating intrigue.
Yes you are quite right and that was not my intention. I believe no technology should be thought of as obsolete. And as you say, magamps are very robust and hence still used in military and aircraft industry.
After TPU, my next project: Ferrorresonce-Magnetic Amplifier-electrodes, Meyer water fracture device!
Regards
AM
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Dear AM
Just for the record, I enjoy so called "obsolete" technology and have a house full of it including magnetic amplifiers, tube Tektronix scopes (big ones), lots of vacuum tubes and older test equipment. I always find a use for it in one way or another in my experimentation.
I recommend the old tube scopes for any kind of high voltage, impulse or electrostatic work as well as good old vacuum tube voltmeters. They are rugged and can take quite a punch without giving up. Of course I also have more modern equipment especially for precision work.
I encourage you to play with magamps and anything out of vogue that you can get your hands on. There is much to be learned from these devices. You may just find something others have missed!
Someday I will be "obsolete" and find myself in the dustbin of history! :)
Best of Luck in your research efforts.
Sparkman
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Anyone using avalanche transistors for fast pulses?
op-amp quadrature geny?
Tuning the coil length to get a phase shift?
3-phase geny from op-amps?
MOSFETS?
JFETS?
I'm thinking that SM's TPU worked with a rotational frequency in the audio range, so he had the kick (pulse) the RMF to get it to speed up and charge it. RF rotation freq and he would not have needed the kicks, but hey should still be of use in either scenario.
Sparkman, I have an old tube Heathkit RF gen - works like a charm!
Too much BS an not enough tech talk around here these days...
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Now thats neat... ;D
video?
live feed?
http://c0mster.ww.com
I'll be here usually 7 - 10 pm mountain time and mostly all day on the weekends.
Drop by have a look :) You never know when you might see sparks fly.
Cam
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Anyone using ....
Grumpy,
In a way I think it is not what you've got, it is what you do with it. It was reported that SM spent around $13 in Radio shack on the parts for 1 TPU. It is easy to buy all these components you mention but are they really necessary? Because I am Newbie I have been reading a lot of people's past posts. You really seem to be bringing up lots of interesting points. But based on what you've got, have you started anything yet?
For instance I read somewhere that SM used bale wire again this could be a misdirection but on the other hand if he was utilising earths magnetic field, isn't "iron" most effected most by magnetism?
Regards
AM
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The term bayling wire here means "just some wire I had laying around". Iron/Steel wire is not important. Mixing the correct frequencys which results in an anomalous amplification effect is the key, nothing more.
D.
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AM,
I was just pointing out that everyone was digressing into bs and debunk modes rather than technical discussion.
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AM,
I was just pointing out that everyone was digressing into bs and debunk modes rather than technical discussion.
Yes,please all get back to just technical discussion about the effects involved.
Many thanks.
Stefan. (admin)
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Anyone using avalanche transistors for fast pulses?
op-amp quadrature geny?
Tuning the coil length to get a phase shift?
3-phase geny from op-amps?
MOSFETS?
JFETS?
I'm thinking that SM's TPU worked with a rotational frequency in the audio range, so he had the kick (pulse) the RMF to get it to speed up and charge it. RF rotation freq and he would not have needed the kicks, but hey should still be of use in either scenario.
Sparkman, I have an old tube Heathkit RF gen - works like a charm!
Too much BS an not enough tech talk around here these days...
Yes, vou can ask me "somes" in semeicontuctor designes.
I have worked over 40jears in "selecting , test, mesurements on
transistors and other semiconductors , for customer , industrial and mil applications. also i designed some ignition transistor coil devices,
that also must give most attention to avalanche , because back
energy (that must "undamped" must not destroy the semiconductors.)
Special , complicateinquiris ? pls use my email. (or privat messages)
Pese
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@Dean
is this attached what you are looking for?
Ciao
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YAAAAhooooo!!!!!!!
I finally made it to the end of this thread. It only took me about 3 months.
Hi to everybody. Very interesting subject. I will watch on the sidelines. I am an RF tech, so you guys are speaking my language.
One question I have for SM: Did you get your $10 million from UEC? and a question to Mannix: Do you have the know how of the TPU?
And to all....Keep up the good work!
Marflyga
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Hi all,
Remember Steven has told us that electron tubes are important.
Use them!
They have properties that are unique and are "reqiured "to "experiment" with.
Dont ask me specifically why, but they are important .
If you study their uniqueness you may find out why it would may not have been discovered by him without them.
Tesla used them too....funny that. Does anybody think that silicone devices were designed to replace all the properties of tubes or perhaps just the ones that are usefull in designing the final outcomes. It wasn't tpu's that for sure.
What you saw in turbos and x'S experiments were ways of understanding a part of teslas work. Cheeky ...yes..these guys have been on this for a long time and were influenced by the negativity that exists here. They responded in a way that they thought a few of you might wake up a bit. It worked ...on one level..but risked degrading Stevens discovery on another. Their work should be examined but in context...of studying a part of teslsa work.
They did not name the thread "replication" somebody else did that.
See how context changes things?
Happy researching and a Merry Xmas
Lindsay mannix
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@ronette
superb .. yes this is the document i read recently and thankyou for re introducing it to the forum . it is extrememely valuable for the novices in this field to help gain an understanding of the basic principals of what is to be considered.
I personally believe it is required reading.
Though others might disagree.
Regards,
Dean
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Functionally, a thermionc valve works like its semiconductor counter part but for it it work you had to have an electron cloud. Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_charge.
AM
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Hmn...Very good point Mazda!
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Has this thread been totally abandoned in persuit of the Turbo? Granted that there was a lot of good info found there but I feel the real thruth still lies here.
The more I read the last post of mannix, the more I think that the inner wire should be induced with freq1 and the four outside coils (two pairs) inject the other two freqs to cause it to speed up. As this happens there are peaks that cause the vibrations.
Have to get this sig gen working. First try failed to work right. Some sleep and then back at it.
sugra
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Not abandoned.
Everyone is hard at work.
Try pulsing outer coils and collect with inner. Let it run for a while with just pulses to build the field up on the collector.
Run pulses through a diode (or bridge) and use as trigger for switching device to make shorter.
You might even strigger several switches with one trigger pulse to pulse several coils at once.
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Don't forget to document your work/setups and test results! You will need this later when trying to duplicate it.
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Hello there, I am an independent television producer and I am very interested in the TPG. My uncle and I have been watching the videos and I do not know too much about the technical side of your process however, I noticed the poor quality of the video taken and I would like to speak with Mr. Mark regarding the production of a more professional video which may help to provide a more clear demonstration of his unit. There would be no cost to Mr. Mark and I would like to do a complete documentary around his adventure and help in providing more solid proof of SM's invention. Or which conditions he may require without question it is of monumental interest and scientific achievment that could benefit all of humanity and this should be correctly documented for future generations at the very least. Can you pass along my invite to Steven you or he can reach me either through the forum or on my email.
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ernst
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Ernst
Exactly what are we looking at? What more information do you have? I am sure we know all the Hendershot information available on the internet but do you have something new?
Regards
AM
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operating principles?
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I think it operates exactly like the Magnetic Power Patent. You have to read this, I had been working on this exact process before I saw the patent and must admit they have it nailed.
So here it is, what if you had a split magnetic path? The primary field moves from top to bottom with two paths through a magnetic material, the output coils are oriented so this primary field can move through either or both of them.The input or control field moves through the magnetic material horizontally, to the left-to the right, but since the control field is at right angles to the output coils and the primary field it cannot be affected by them. It is absolutely a one way process and this is literally the magic of this technology.
The harnessing of any primary conservative field with no reversal of power, isolating the input from the output.
So what if SM used a toroid with a magnetic field moving through it and he could turn this field with no field reversal. As the input is additive and is part of the output it is conservative, but any external field is added to the output and cannot affect the input.
Im sure this is it, the MPI patent explains this effect very well and is worth reading.
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Hi,
Would the magnetic field not stay inside the metal core and go around the holes where the wire goes through and thus not create any EMF? But I guess that is the control coil isnt it, not the collector? Will you not just move the magnets field, with proportion to the current in the control coil? Where does any extra come from?
Regards,
D.
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@CTG Labs
If you look at the patent there is a picture showing a cross section of the generator, when the control input is ON the primary field is pushed to the left we will say. You will notice that where the output coils go through the core (the hole) the field turns or wraps 3/4 way round the wire. As current is induced in the output coil this field turns 360 Deg round the hole, turning the primary field even more. Think of a tornado,you need two flows to create a turning force, Vector two fields incoming at 90 Deg, add a turning component in the hole and you have induction. To see what is really happening run this cross section on vizimag, you will like what you see.
As for OU, it should be obvious, a magnetic transistor effect. A small input turning a larger one. If the output is driven by the primary field, a PM then any work given to the output must come from the PM, which is free. The control does not drive the output, it produces a steering force on the primary. You gain when the control in on, and gain when the fields return to equlibrium.
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Boosted induction with PM's - not the same as the SM TPU - not the Holy Grail of "free energy".
For those interested, Mark Goldes mentioned on another site that the patent left out a key element that makes the device OU and that this would be added via an amendment at a later date.
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You never want to say in a patent that your device is OU or make free energy, then they either won't grant the patent or the Fed's grab it.
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World Patents actually have a classification for devices that produce "excess energy".
China will grant a patent for and OU device, but it must operate continuously for 6 months first.
In my humble opinion, free energy is not for the elite to sieze and control, but to ease the pain of the humble layman. No one that has ever attempted to bring an OU device to market has or will succeed. Only by sharing knowledge and helping each other will we overcome our demise and benefit from this technology.
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World Patents actually have a classification for devices that produce "excess energy".
China will grant a patent for and OU device, but it must operate continuously for 6 months first.
In my humble opinion, free energy is not for the elite to sieze and control, but to ease the pain of the humble layman. No one that has ever attempted to bring an OU device to market has or will succeed. Only by sharing knowledge and helping each other will we overcome our demise and benefit from this technology.
They are all dead.
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Trapped radiation / Magnetic trapping / Radiation belt.
Circling around magnetic field lines.
Electrons and ions, of the energies commonly encountered in the magnetosphere, tend to circle around magnetic field lines.
Like the motion of planets around the Sun, this motion too can sustain itself with no energy input, and can therefore (in principle) persist for a long time.
Opposite charges circle in opposite directions; around a field line pointing towards the viewer, ions circle clockwise, electrons counterclockwise.
Bouncing back and forth between "mirror points."
As such particles circle their guiding field line, the "guiding center" of their rotation generally slides up or down that line, creating a typical spiral pattern.
However, a subtle interaction causes the spiraling particle to be repelled from regions of stronger magnetic field, where field lines converge.
Because a particle is repelled as it moves into a region of stronger field, its advance along its guiding field line slows down.
Its sliding velocity finally drops to zero and then reverses, causing the particle to bounce back or "mirror."
Without this sort of "mirroring," ions and electrons would not be trapped in the Earth's magnetosphere, but would instead follow their guiding field lines into the atmosphere, where they would be absorbed and become lost.
What usually happens instead, is that every time a trapped particle approaches Earth, it is reflected back.
It is thus confined to the more distant section of the field line.
Drift around the Earth
In addition to the rapid rotation ("gyration") around field lines and the back-and-forth "bounce" motion, trapped particles also undergo a slow "drift", by which they jump from one field line onto another one nearby, similar to the original one but slightly rotated around the Earth's magnetic axis. Viewed from the north pole, a positive ion will gradually rotate clockwise, a negative electron counter-clockwise.
The Ring Current
Because positive ions and negative electrons drift in opposite directions , that motion will create an electric current that circulates clockwise around the Earth when viewed from north.
The current is aptly named the ring current.
Note how different electric currents in space are from those encountered in everyday life!
Currents we use at home--for light, to drive machinery or to generate heat--only flow if pushed by an electric pressure or voltage, against the resistance of the circuitry.
The flow of such currents is in many ways similar to the flow of water through a pipe--water, too, will only flow if pressure is available, to help it overcome the friction inside the pipe.
The flow of both water and electricity require a constant input of energy: once we click the switch and disconnect a house current from its source of voltage, it stops practically instantly.
The flow of the ring current, and of many other currents in space, is quite different.
It needs neither a driving voltage nor an energy input, but persists as long as its ions and electrons are trapped in the magnetic field.
Many aspects of such "collision-free plasmas" are quite unlike what one might expect, and are often hard to reproduce in the laboratory: that is why the magnetosphere is probably our best "natural laboratory" for studying the processes of distant space.
Magnetic Storms
The magnetic field produced by the ring current contributes (rather slightly) to the magnetic field observed at the surface of the Earth.
There are however times when the population of trapped particles is greatly reinforced.
The ring current then becomes stronger and its magnetic effect at Earth may grow 10-fold or more: that is known as a magnetic storm.
The reinforcing particles are generally of moderate energy, but can be quite numerous.
Such events can interfere with the operation of communication satellites and cause other problems.
If trapped orbits are so stable that their particles cannot be easily lost, those particles should not be able to easily enter them, either.
How then can the radiation belt and ring current arise?
The inner radiation belt, discovered by Explorers 1 and 3, turns out to be a slowly accumulating by-product of cosmic radiation, as explained in a later section.
The ring current however (its energetic part is often called the "outer radiation belt"), owes its existence to magnetic storms, which can replenish it in the matter of hours.
The process by which that happens is still incompletely understood, but it involves electric forces, combining with magnetic ones.
Electric fields are able to push trapped particles earthward, and unlike the purely magnetic motion described earlier, an electric field can also energize them.
The ultimate source of the energy and electric field must be the solar wind, and theories exist to explain how they are transmitted.
Many details are still unclear and controversial.
Deflection of a beam of Electrons in the Earth's Field
The Earth's field does bend the trajectories of electrons and ions, but not by much.
Trapped Circular Motion
The magnetic force on a moving particle is always perpendicular to the motion, as well as to the magnetic field lines.
That is why the basic pattern is motion in a circle, around a magnetic field line. In the motion of a satellite circling the Earth above the atmosphere, gravity always balances the centrifugal force. Similarly with the charged particle, the magnetic and centrifugal forces are always balanced.
Because the force is perpendicular to the velocity, it can only change the direction of motion, not its speed or energy.
Because no energy is needed to keep up the motion, it can (in principle) persist indefinitely.
Mirroring
The fact that the magnetic force is perpendicular to magnetic field lines means that when a particle spirals around a cone of converging field lines, that force is always slightly tilted backwards .
The motion of ions on coverging field lines.
By the laws of motion, any force can always be resolved into the sum of mutually perpendicular forces, each controlling the motion in its direction.
The "radial force" perpendicular to the axis of the cone keeps the ion or electron turning in a circle around that axis, and is balanced (as noted above) by the centrifugal force of that rotation.
In addition, however, there will also exist a small force parallel to the axis, repelling the particle away from the tip of the cone.
That added force gradually slows down the particle's advance down the axis and finally reverses it, causing it to "mirror" and bounce back.
G
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Sounds like Stefan Marinov's MAGVID which is an electron trap.
Anyway, where the Hell is Mannix? Did he get stuck in a scorch field or electron trap?
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Hello all,
HAPPY NEW YEAR
Its new year morning and Im online because I have a lot of work to do in the German speaking site and of course, here. I dont remember if I posted a picture about the control coil connections (Tesla Patent 390 721). I have to look.
A long time Im thinking about our MOSFETs we are useing in our TPUs.
A IRF 730 worked just fine in my setup.
A IRF 840 worked much better and in this moment Im using them but thats NOT the BINGO, to say it in this way.
Grumpy
yesterday I tried to connect the diodes as you showed us. I used first Zeners like in your shematic - nothing! Then I used fast switching diodes - nothing! Then I used oridinary diodes - nothing!
I dont want to "filter" this signals anymore. I have s... I mean hash, then let it be. I dont care. But every idea is of course welcome so, Grumpy, if you have more ideas about how I can do my TPU better you are welcome. If I can try I will do so.
Otto
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Otto,
Where did you put them and what values did you use?
It's just a noise filter - should not stop anything from working, unless you use both diodes and not the single one to pass only the positive spike.
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2007.01.30 will be a year.
30 days in the hole.
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Well after reading this thread for two days now (not wanting to miss anything) I figured I might as well register an account. Interesting... now I can see a lot of images that were not there before. Back to page one I guess. :-(
Glad to see I'm not the only one trying to get things done in this field.
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Guys,
I have something to report.
Last night I was busy pulsing my big coil with many differnt frequencies and different wave shapes...I looked at my incomplete tube amp and wondered if there would be any difference. Im using ss max308 sources.
I connected the output of the tongtail phase splitter...very low level. Then observed the wave form on the collector. I freq only. the other amps are still not quite complete.
what I saw at 30 khz was a little waver....just a tiny waver.like an impedance mismatch. I scanned up and down and found a few more that were less significant.. I did the same thing at 250 odd...and there she is again. I switched back to my ss function generator which has more output and found that I could not see this waver..no matter what level the harmonics of the function generator must masked it.
The effect is about 6 -9 hz wide and very hard to lock to with the sources that I am using.
I then switched my input to the collector itself and there it was again i switched to the feedback and nothing significant...This is like tuning into a radio signal...not like pumping a coil with spikes...I feel that it is significant.
This little waver is not energy yet it is a reaction that is due the the curcumference of the collector that happens under the conditions that the master has described.
Theres a lot more to do yet but I just thought that every body should know SINE....perfect sine. Other wise you would not see this particular reaction. Tubes! Im sorry I dont know why,Steven was a pains to explain it...perhaps,just perhaps when the resonsnce or whatever it is happens the tube responds differently to the condition and supplies more little electrons..a guess.
This could be nothing but.....it aint there with ss thats for sure.
Ever seen a radio tuner that used a square wave as the oscillator?...or the mixer ..or the if stages.
I suggest that pulsing coils with spikes may go hand in hand with bicycle wheels amd magnets.
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Mannix,
We don't see any tubes in SM's video's. Just coils and capacitors - not even anything that looks like a semiconductor. Coils and caps - like an LC or LCR circuit of some sort.
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Thats because there aren't any
the videos show advanced units....years of work!
If you are waiting for a free energy device to appear here, it already has.
If you want to understand it I have shown you a likley direction.
If you see an f16 and I show you a model aeroplane...sorry..your expectations have not been met.
Im sorry that the process is not simple
Im sorry that it looks so simple
Perhaps when it is Understood thru experimentation you will too.
adios!
Lindsay
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Some people say that there is a... "difference in harmonic content that some would say is more musical in tubes", and that they "clip more gracefully". (Thanks Wayne)
Mannix, adios para ti tambi?n!
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@ Mannix:
I have been reading and re reading a lot of old posts as of late. The why of using tubes is very simply the speed of a signal thru it. He stated that it was best to use a triode tube that way you could use the feed back to keep the source signal in line. That gives you a super clean and controlable source with runaway protection. That controlling the amplitude of the signal used.
Once you figure out the right combo's, then you can simply use LC's for the right freq. I have been playing with a pair of 1v diode tubes and have seen some really strange things so far.
Now for a quick question. Is there a possibility that you can have a bifilar outside winding and use one for the control and one for power to run what ever the osc's might be?
Have to catch the rebound via the hotel wifi as I will be on vacation but will drop in and do a bit of reading in the slow times of the convention.
sugra
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I sense another alien abduction is taking place? :'(
--giantkiller.
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Mannix,
Oh, I think I understand it just fine.
Even the heat issue can be resolved. ;)
EDIT:
Stop trying to copy and start inventing! That is the only way to do it.
Radiant Energy - What is it? How is it released? How can it be captured?
Seek it, and it will find you.
EDIT 2:
From Mannix - I suggest that pulsing coils with spikes may go hand in hand with bicycle wheels and magnets.
...works for John Bedini ;)
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Hello all,
Mr.Mannix reported us a few days ago his test results...
He sayd he saw little wavers at 245kHz and 30kHz. He has a 15" TPU. Now lets see:
15" = 245kHz : 30kHz = 8,16kHz
Most of us have a 6" TPU.
Let us see the values for a 1" TPU:
245kHz : 15" = 16,333kHz
30kHz : 15" = 2kHz
1" TPU = 16,333kHz and 2kHz
6" TPU = 16,333kHz x 6" = 98kHz
2kHz x 6" = 12kHz
If we divide 98kHz : 12kHz = 8,16kHz
That means a 6" TPU has the teoretical frequency no.1 of 98kHZ and frequency no.2 is 12kHz.
This frequencies are almost the same Im using.
Otto
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I have just learned of SM's device, I have been prototying various types of magnetic induction devices since the early 80's. I thought I was familar with most of the devices out there and I can't believe I missed this one. I have read a lot of the posts but definitely not all. There is no doubt in my mind that the TPM works and works well. The detractors posting here need to get a life, as they obviously have never created anything, or had an original idea of their own. It is unfortunate that Steve did not share this info rather than going for the money, perhaps he has his reasons. I think that there is only one way to justify going for the money, and that is if it is going to a fund to help humanity. I think it is possible to be open with a breakthrough such as this and still get the money, (full disclosure coinciding with patent filing). Unfortunately it is too late for Steve to do so, and perhaps too late now for any one else to make a difference either. This type of technology introduced effectively several years ago could have changed the world in which we now find ourselves. A world on the edge of a nuclear WW3, partially over, oil resources in the middle east.
I hope to post some info soon on a transformer I have done some experimenting with, that is excited with a PWM, 12 volts and not a lot of amperage. There is a sweet spot around 20 K where the voltage and amperage spikes, right up to 175 volts ac and about 40 amps. The trouble so far is that allthough the readings are there, the energy output is not. I have been studying Tesla and E Gray looking for some answers and I think that a copper collector maybe necessary(Tesla), or perhaps spliting the postive (Gray) or perhaps both.
Taking into consideration as well, Sparky Sweets device, I do not think that this technology has to be as complicated as SM's torroid.
An earlier post mentioned the wave/particle issue, and I can't help but offer my humble opinion on this, as I think it has everything to do with the nature of the force fields exhibited by a magnet. I only have a grade 8 education and am completely self schooled on these concepts, formulas are not my forte, nor are electronic devices such as PWM's, some one else built it for me.
I think that it is true that every thing in the universe is vibrating. Particles vibrate at very high rates of speed, they are constantly taking in and giving off energy. Due to the taking in and giving off of energy, the mass of the particle is constantly changing, as the mass changes weight it effects the particle's movement or motion. That is why a particle behaves like a wave. People have a strange notion that a magnet comtains eliptical lines of force, I do not think that this is at all true. That is just the way that iron filings align themselves to the poles. Take a compass around a magnetic field and you will see that while it indicates the eliptical shape, it is merely aligning to polarity. In my early thought experiments with how induction occurs I wondered why a current flows in one direction when entering a magnetic field and then reversed when leaving the field. I drew the end of a magnet on a piece of paper and then drew some circles on the magnet end with some arrows to indicate direction. Going into the field the arrows were all pointing down, and then when you get to the centre of the magnet there are an equal number of arrows going in oppostite directions on the conductor, just at the point where there is no current flow. When you begin to leave the field the arrows are all going in the opposite direction now. At that point I became convinced that there was a circular direction of lines of force, and not eliptical ones.
We have always thought of the north and south being of different charges, and further that opposites attract, and that is why a north pole attracts to a south. But if you dedicate a circular direction on the end of a magnetic for a north pole and indicate the opposite direction on a south pole, when you go to put them together you will see they are both moving in the same direction and that is why they will join together. So we can then deduce that there is no north and south as conventionaly understood, just one common field that has rotational lines of force. Now we must wonder why there seems to be two different force fields in a magnet. There are two force fields allright, and the only reason they appear to be of different charge is because you are using a magnet to determine these two distinct fields. If you use a piece of steel they both seem the same, they will both attract the steel.. Whether with a magnet or a piece of steel it is obvious that a circular and ball shaped field of energy exists at each end of the magnet. Try drawing a magnet and then superimpose over the whole thing a spiralling and expanding as well as contracting figure eight. If you then try to imagine a flow of particles that are continuely expanding and contracting at a very high rate of speed. You can start to picture the particle giving off energy, getting lighter, going into a larger orbit where it then takes in energy, gets heavier and as a result works down into a smaller orbit, takes in energy and goes into a wider orbit again on the other end of the magnet.
I guess that about wraps up my comments and thoughts for now. I look forward to hearing what some of you genius's out there, may have to think about about my theories. I hope they are interesting and even perhaps help somebody, with their experiments.
PS I think that there is another element of current flow that works along with the circular lines of force. Different level of energy though from a higher dimension/frequency that works in conjuction with the lower frequency/dimension. I may post more on this at a later date.
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Revelator,
BushWacker was saying the same thing, but we don't see him around for some time now.
about Magnet properties:
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/sweet.htm
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I clipped this from the previous post 'Cheniere'.
One can take the energy from the vacuum in a hundred ways, not just one. Sweet's way was indeed a very good way. There are also a hundred other good ways.
I guess we are all not so crazy or 'out there' as some would believe.
Ya gotta love that term 'Vacuum', eh?
--giantkiller. Tnx Grumpy. And of course, all the other dolphins. Keep swimming, keep swimming...
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312)
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I have read this thread for more hours than I can count mainly because I might have read some in my sleep. ???
It has been kind of like reading the encyclopedia crappanica to find one chapter of hard applicable data. My hat is off to the brave ones who have sat through the entire thing day in and day out for the last year.
The important issue is of course free energy for human kind. I am afraid it is not any closer to us as a result of this device that Steve has shown us fleeting glimpses of in his videos.
Steorn I am impressed with. Steve Mark, and UEC I am not.
Why give out these teasers on a company that is not public? Why frustrate the inquisitive and enterprising with this spoon fed drivel?
After nearly 10 years of public exposure the only reason this technology is still unknown to the world is because it never will become known in my opinion.
Not that this all is not very interesting or I would like most of you not suffered the endless reading of this thread to discover that it does not contain enough information to assemble an experiment based on the systems operating principle.
At least with Steorn in Ireland they gave the public notice. They also gave the scientific community a chance to find out about the technology and be empaneled to give it a critical revue.
As far as I can see Steve Mark and UEC are going to take this one to their graves. Perhaps in another 10 years or so they will be irrelevant as Steorn's technology will be on the store shelves and in our homes while Steve's technology sits on the shelves of some subordinate defense contractors warehouse shelves.
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Vortexentity, your frustration is understandable, but you might be missing the point.
If you've read this thread and the other recent ones you'll see that there are in fact people assembling experiments based on, or inspired by, the Steven Mark's systems operating principles (which are shared with other devices), and they are getting real results. It's all about true experimentation though, not simply replication. If you yourself have access to the proper equipment and have enough electrical engineering knowledge to be able to wire up a tpu and controller, you too can participate. (I myself have neither of those things and so have to be content with trying to understand it all in an abstract sense).
Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at you, that's not my intention. I'm just saying, in my opinion, forget about the Steven Mark's stuff, it got suppressed, and support the efforts of those (hobbyists really) who are doing what they can to 'free the energy'.
Les.
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Vortexentity, your frustration is understandable, but you might be missing the point.
If you've read this thread and the other recent ones you'll see that there are in fact people assembling experiments based on, or inspired by, the Steven Mark's systems operating principles (which are shared with other devices), and they are getting real results. It's all about true experimentation though, not simply replication. If you yourself have access to the proper equipment and have enough electrical engineering knowledge to be able to wire up a tpu and controller, you too can participate. (I myself have neither of those things and so have to be content with trying to understand it all in an abstract sense).
Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at you, that's not my intention. I'm just saying, in my opinion, forget about the Steven Mark's stuff, it got suppressed, and support the efforts of those (hobbyists really) who are doing what they can to 'free the energy'.
Les.
Vortexentity
Yes he (SM) could have been a contender.
LHW,
I believe even the information given out about TPU was probably part of a UEC marketing exercise.
If you had never seen a car and I described to you how it works would you be able to make it?
In this game I have come to notice that we all suffer from the same human fallacies.
AM
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Sphernot,
Think of rotation of the earth and it's motion along it's orbit. Here are 2 tangible forces that if utilized can produce
free energy.
On your other point, I think regular inventions are mundane and the attraction here is the challenge.
AM
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I learned more about the likely operating principle from reading the Alberto Molina-Martinez published patent application 20030168921 than anything else I guess.
I just came to the end of the thread finally last night kind of late and vented a bit of my frustration I guess. I am a hobby tinkerer myself and have a pretty nice lab set up for prototyping but I hate to waste materials until I have a working mathematical model to work from. That is missing from any information I can find including the above mentioned patent application publication.
The object of course is to provide energy to the world that does not harm the environment in any significant way.
Peace all
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One thing I am kind of confused about is that the Albert Molina-Martinez patent application of 2003 is the only published reference and it is many years after the video of this prototype was taken if the date is correct on the film. Also Steven Marks or UEC have no patent published applications I can find that would relate to this technology.
If they have filed for several patents I guess they are not yet published. If someone has a reference that I have missed please be so kind as to link it for me as I somehow missed it. Perhaps the entire technology has gone black.
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Regarding the last three posts:
I have a B.S.M.E. that whispers in my ear every day that this is not possible. Oh, yeah?
Perhaps this is why I persist; it is not like the establishment has never lied to us before.
Atoms move, planets move, stars move, galaxies move, clusters move and it is all free inside this static force generator that exists at all levels! Don't wait for another go around, grab the brass ring this time! And let's start our own revolution! Kapeesh?
And now there are 4. A coil in the circuit is worth 2 in the mind.
--giantkiller. It is a great day to live!
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Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.
I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!
Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators! If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices? So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add? Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.
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Hi tpusers,
after another TPU in the graveyard, I came back to experiments.
So, I think it's nothing important, but someone can tell me something about ?
It?s an induction effect ?
The setup:
one collector coil (soft iron, insulated, 100 mt, 17.5 cm diameter)
4 control coil (lamp wire, 30 turns for sector) as x Otto config.
Signal gen.--->Mosfet ---> one end of the control coils; the other end +5V
the output from the collector coil:
one end to a diode (1N4148) and from the diode to a cap + (200 volt 50uF)
the other end to the neg of the cap
from the + of the cap a led discharge to ground and a resistor (10K) to ground
at the frequ. about 20 KHz the led bright, with a digital voltmeter I can read -50 volt (minus !!!!) on the input of the diode;
only few volt on the + of the cap and on the scope I see a signal with 30 volt p/p
The collector coil remain cold, the mosfet the same. With upper and lower frequ. nothing happen.
I think its only an induction effect from the coil. But I don?t know the negative voltage.
Icarus
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Hello all,
@Icarus,
collector coil - soft IRON???? NO iron in the TPU!!!!!
20kHz - digital voltmeter - no way to measure.
In the TPU is no iron core, no iron at all. With a digital voltmeter you cant measure 20kHz because this is a too high frequency and your digital voltmeter is showing you wrong readings.
Induction effect - maybe, not important.
Otto
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if you wl know the negataive voltage of the peaks from your induction coils.
take anothe 1n4140 (even 2 pcs for higher voltages)
and charge also up an condensor with this "paks"
so vou val lock the voltage ober condensord with an
cheap voltmeter.
PESE
No special testequipments need . Only little knowledge
Pese
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Hello all,
since I have my MOSFETs inside the TPU strange things are going on:
1. its the first time my 24V/5W light bulb is almost at full brightness with only 1 frequency
2. Heat - there is heat in the TPU. With 12V/1A from the power supply something is heating up in my TPU. This would be around 300mA for each MOSFET. Of course the first idea was that the MOSFETs are hot but when I touched the heatsinks they were warm but not hot, the MOSFETs too. 10cm over the TPU I can also feel real warm air.
Something is going on with my TPU and I have to see what.
Otto
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Hi Otto
Am anxious for followup!!
Tishatang
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:)
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Hello all
A couple of weeks ago I was sifting through googl and I beheld a grand
vision quest in the form of a video, demonstrating, apparently, a working
device from Steven Mark, in which man has succedded in attaching his
machinery to the very wheelwork of nature..
I mean Daaaaaaang!!
Hence I found this fascinating Thread, lengthy that it is, I have a question
Where can I find otto,s wiring diagram mentioned by giantkiller?
Thanks in advance.
As for my motivation in this... I always wanted air conditioning for my tent...
Dirt
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21437.html#msg21437
It is Lords of the ring, page 1, post 2. The faint coil wiring diagrams and along with full instructions and pictures.
-- giantkiller. Enjoy.
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When using otto's wiring on my TPU control coils, I put a compass in the middle and just pulsed by hand on a 12V battery, on/off manually at a certain frequency the compass would continue turning in a clockwise rotation.
I am zero in electronics but great in mechanical and logic systems. I am wondering if you could just try to pulse on off the control coils with 1-12 volts variable at around 12,000 pulses per second and send the frequencies into the three collector coils, one frequency per collector coil and check the voltage on the collectors.
SM said the output was DC with a slight AC 5 volts component. Now were did that AC come from if it was not already pulsed into the line as a frequency? Also, where did he get that AC from.
Lastly, I have found to good links.
The first is about DC generator circuits which I think have a good parallel to what the TPU is doing, but they do not discuss OU, but it may be a good source of inspiration.
http://www.prod.sandia.gov/cgi-bin/techlib/access-control.pl/2002/022059.pdf
The second link discusses the growing importance of considering DC usage in our daily lives. I think this shows the importance of the work done on this site.
http://mydocs.epri.com/docs/CorporateDocuments/WhitePapers/EPRI_DCpower_June2006.pdf
These are long files but may have some good substance.
All the best.
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When using otto's wiring on my TPU control coils, I put a compass in the middle and just pulsed by hand on a 12V battery, on/off manually at a certain frequency the compass would continue turning in a clockwise rotation.
I am zero in electronics but great in mechanical and logic systems. I am wondering if you could just try to pulse on off the control coils with 1-12 volts variable at around 12,000 pulses per second and send the frequencies into the three collector coils, one frequency per collector coil and check the voltage on the collectors.
SM said the output was DC with a slight AC 5 volts component. Now were did that AC come from if it was not already pulsed into the line as a frequency? Also, where did he get that AC from.
Lastly, I have found to good links.
The first is about DC generator circuits which I think have a good parallel to what the TPU is doing, but they do not discuss OU, but it may be a good source of inspiration.
http://www.prod.sandia.gov/cgi-bin/techlib/access-control.pl/2002/022059.pdf
The second link discusses the growing importance of considering DC usage in our daily lives. I think this shows the importance of the work done on this site.
http://mydocs.epri.com/docs/CorporateDocuments/WhitePapers/EPRI_DCpower_June2006.pdf
These are long files but may have some good substance.
All the best.
The 5 volts AC is referring to the tube setup where Steven had a 5V AC filament supply which also showed up as a 5V AC ripple at the plate.
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Hello all,
from now on I will post here. Its the main site.
I made a new picture of my basic test. I hope its clear now how to connect the coils.
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@ otto i am from canada
ist
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@Otto,
Thank you for the diagram. I am not clear on how to create the pulses, however. Should the pulser pull the pulse input up to +12 and then drag it down to GND, or should it allow the pulse input to float during one of those cycles?
Thanks!
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Is this more than just an illustration of voltage biasing?
Am I missing something?
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Hello all,
when the oscillator is OFF you have 12V on the bulb.
When the oscillator is ON you have 12V on the bulb + additional 12V from..... my squarewaves are 5V or less.
Months ago I posted this picture because with only 50 turns of wire I had better results then with a TPU with 3 collectors and on each collector 4 control coils connected like Tesla patent....that had a weight much larger then this little coil.
@eldarion
just connect +12V on one side of your coil and on the other end of this coil the lamp wire AND an oscillator, thats all!!
This clearly showed me that something is wrong.
Otto
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Tried your circuit Otto,
I used a 555 timer switching a FET with 50 Turn coil from the Drain terminal to +10Volts.
I connected the multistrand "collector" wire from the Drain terninal on the FET to earth (0V). I can adjust pulse width and pulse repetition frequency on the 555 with a couple of pots.
Here's what I get on the CRO....
when the FET switches ON I get close to zero volts on the Drain.
when the FET swtches OFF I get a massive 50Volt positive going transient pulse which is about 10 microseconds wide with a risetime of approximately 2 microseconds when the pulse expires the level on the Drain of the FET returns to +10Volts before the next cyle occurs.
Collector was loaded with 12V 12W auto light was loaded to earth, above measurements were taken from +ve centre contact on this bulb.
Lamps lights to about 1/2 brightness with 10V and total load current into circuit is 0.9 Amps depending on pulse repetition frequency. With increased prf can go to over 4 Amps, light gets much brighter but coil gets very hot.
Height of transient pulse remains the same.
If I was to try to make a TPU maybe I'd charge capacitors off this transient and try to get it to self run?
Smoky
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@ otto
So the oscillator should NOT pull the pulse input all the way to ground? And it should be able to drive the pulse input to 12V + 5V (or whatever the voltage of the oscillator is)? I am measuring all voltages from the ground symbol in your diagram. So in the oscillator's low state, the voltage would read +12V at the pulse input, and in the high state the voltage would read 12V + [oscillator voltage]?
Thank you for answering my stupid questions; I only have a few MOSFETs and drivers left. If I blow them up through miswiring then I will have to wait several weeks to order more (I don't have a good electronics supply store anywhere near me) :(
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Hello all,
again guys: did I mention that the bulb MUST BE 24V/5W??
1. one end of the 50 turns coil to the +12V from your power supply
2. the other end of the 50 turns coil AND, again, AND 1 end of the lamp wire connected TOGETHER and TOGETHER connected to the Drain of your MOSFET.
3. Pulse this coils with various frequencies.
4. if you use lamp wire you will have 1 strand NOT CONNECTED. THIS IS OK!!!!
The point is, you should have at some frequencies a bright shining light bulb.
The next step can be pulsing the same coil(s) with 3 frequencies. In a half minute you can connect your 3 oscillators to the coils and then pulse them.
If your coils are hot use a thicker wire. For my tests I was using always a 0,5mm wire, sorry AWG...
Can we make the next little step???
Ok. Do you have a little oridinary 230V/12V transformer??? Or for my US friends a 110V/12V transformer??
Did you ever thought about what would happen if you would pulse this transformer. But in opposite way. You would pulse the 12V side and this would be the primary side and the secondary would then be the 230V or 110V side.
I must warn you. THIS IS DANGEROUS!!!! DONT TOUCH THE WIRES!!!! I DONT WANT PEOPLE TO BE KILLED!!!!! BE CAREFULL!!!! ITS YOUR LIVE!!!!!
If you have such an transformer try to pulse it. I dont know if your transformer would stay "allive" or not. The insulation between the primary and secodary coils are not so good. Ok, they should "hold" 5000V at least but.....
Now, you can play with 1 or 2 or 3 frequencies. Try to connect 1 end of the primary with 1 end of the secondary. What happens?? Whats with the voltage, current??? Change the frequencies.
Now I will receive a lot of PMs with questions about why I want to kill people??? and such things.
I can only say I DONT WANT TO KILL PEOPLE but you should know that the work on a TPU IS DANGEROUS!!!! We are working with HF voltages and currents!!! This causes burnes and will KILL YOU !!! Of course I almost burned my fingers and now Im carefull!!
Should I post this??? Hmmmm.....The people wants a TPU.....are they ready for it??...
Im just thinking ..... may God help me
Otto
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@Otto
Don't worry to much Otto. We are all adults here.... 99.99% at least. ;D
The new folks should start out by pulsing Jr. Size Xformers and inductors.
Have fun.
~Dan
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Hi all,
We are entering a very important phase of tpu research.
Otto is explaining some very basics of tpu operation. TPU's are not in theory books . Otto is not a research scientist he is a dedicated individual with the tenacity to keep experimenting, and the goodnes of heart to share it with you.
PLEASE LISTEN TO HIS WARNINGS.
Others will soon be giving the same warnings.
You will probably say wow I didnt think it would be like that.
Why wasn't I warned? YOU ARE WARNED!
Some may make bad mistakes. Learn from them! If you make one post it asap.
You have been told that there is a very powerful reaction happening in the tpu and you may not have the skill to provide for it.
Please have the sense to be able to cut off everything automatically.
Over voltage...and over temp.
If you do not have any real high voltage skills PLEASE do not mess with it. This is no place to learn basics of Rf high voltage burns.
If you think that you are going to make a practical free energy device you may soon realise that this is a research project that may have a little way to go for you. I took the Origional Team 10 years to get to the video stages that are available.
Am I trying to talk you out of it?,,,Absolutely!
You must take responsibility for your decision to continue here.
I would suggest that family men think more carefully.
As you get heat this is apparently ok ,its the one that does not get very hot that will be a potential BOMB.
It will scare the s**t out of you just before that happens.
Please Take care with this as the success relies on you being around to see this thru...It is the beginning you know.
I hope that Steven may be given permission to help us .
Lindsay Mannix
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Hello Otto, Lindsay e.t. al,
I second Otto and Lindsay's warnings here! I have in fact played around with pulsed transformers and it is true, they are nothing to mess with!!! I actually KILLED MY SCOPE trying to measure the spikes that came off of a TINY transformer!!! Don't let the size fool you. I did some reading on the subject and I learned that when you pulse a transformer it is not behaving like a transformer anymore. They say that the transformer becomes a magnetic storage device that compresses and abruptly releases the pulses that you put into it! I was able to produce 800V spikes off of a small 1:1 transformer let alone a step up one!!! If you want to see just how careful you must be, take one of those transformers that Otto mentioned and simply tap a AA battery across the low voltage side and in some cases, if the secondary wires are close enough, you can even see a spark shoot across.
My recommendation for working with this stuff is keep one hand behind your back when messing with connections. Avoid alligator clamps as your connections (use those white European terminal blocks to make solid, unexposed connections)!
Now, the one thing I haven't tried was pulsing more than one frequency into the transformers. But I imagine that when the harmonics add together, there will be even higher spikes on the secondary side. Thanks Otto for the ideas, I will (safely) do some more testing.
One more thing guys.... Please take it from me, don't connect your scope to these things. Even if you are only pulsing 1V into the transformer, remember that it is the rise and on time of the square wave that determines the voltage on the secondary. I can say that much from my experiments.
God Bless,
Jason O
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OTTO,
5v?
5v peak to peak or 10v peak to peak?
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Hello all,
guys just to show you with what we are working:
as you all, I have 3 oscillators. 2 of them are OK but the 3. is a crap. From this 3. oscillator I have arround 0,1V or a little more output and not at all frequencies.
When I pulse my coils with all my 3 oscillators I can cleary see that my crap oscillator is "working". When I change my frequencies on this crap oscillator I can see my bulb lighting much better or not so good. It depends on the used frequency.
What I will say is that there are UNEXPECTED things going on. You never know what will happen.
@Jason
when you pulse your little transformer with 3 frequencies please, be extremly carefully. I know you are clever but s..t happens. 3 frequencies in a transformer are dangerous!!!!! Dangerous???? No, they are a disaster!!!Jason, I dont think you can imagine what can happen!!! But dont mention my family and me when your transformer is in "heaven", ha,ha.
@Grumpy
Im happy when I have 5Vpp because my oscillators are self made, really complicated....cant be destroyd exept with fire or water...
Sorry again for my rusty english.
Otto
PS: more from me at Monday, I have a lot of work to do with my coils.
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Hi Otto,
What did you use to make your oscillator circuits with? 555's or some kind of LC tank? What frequencies/ frequency ranges are you working with to get the best results? In your coil test, did you ever hook the negative side of the oscillator circuit to any part of your coil or only the positive part?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello Jason,
Im using the 8038 IC, the output of this IC is connected to a LF351 IC and his output to a PNP and NPN pair of BC141/BC161 transistors.
I was NEVER able to burn this transistors not to mention the ICs. Yes, I burned EVERY day 1 or 2 MOSFETs. But as I learned to be a clever guy my MOSFETs are "alive" and Im happy.
I really dont want to discuss the frequencies because they depend on the circumference of your ring. Even a small difference of my ring and yours is a big difference in frequency.
Yes, I have my 2 or 3 favorite frequencies but dont worry, the frequencies are not the problem. When you have the right setup you will see, no problem to find the right frequency.
My oscillators are made for frequencies from 1Hz - 1Mhz. Ok, ok 1MHz is a dream. Why?? With our cheap caps you can NOT have 1MHz!!!
Of course you dont need such a high frequency. A 15" TPU has the highest frequency at 245kHz and a 6" TPU???
All my minuses are connected together: power supply, oscillators, MOSFETs, If I could I would connect myself to the minus. NO MINUS IN THE RINGS; COILS!!!
Otto
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hi otto
are we still using the diagram that gk put on the web.
if so my large 3 pc coil is ready.
is there some one out there that can pm me a diagram of a controler that i can start to build?
i have learned more in the last 15 minets than in the last 3 months.
wer
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Hi Otto,
You say there are no minus connections anywhere on the coil? wouldn't the oscillator circuit still be grounded to the coil if the power supply with the 12V input has its ground connected after the light bulb and the circuit is connected to the same ground??
It sounds like you are headed into the one-wire world with this, which is quite interesting because I have done a few tests where I managed to produce kicks on my collector with only one wire feeding into the control coils!
About the transformer stuff, how do you work that into the TPU/coil setups? are you feeding the kicks into the tpu/coil through a transformer?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Has anyone experimented with iron fillings to visually examine the magnetic flux?
http://physics.usc.edu/demolab/mg_magneticfield.html
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@Otto,
I have tried your test circuit again with the attached schematic; I could not get anything interesting to happen. Is the attached schematic correct?
I stopped blowing up MOSFETs once I tried frequencies above 100KHz; is this what you found also?
Thank you! I would really like to get this working ;D
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@eldarion
how about this
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@weri812
I'm sorry, I don't see the difference? ??? I must be missing something (not the first time!) ;)
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Hello all,
as I can see NOBODY has my results so I have to be specific:
use this:
1.IRF 840 MOSFET - only this type
2. make 50 turns with a copper wire. diameter 0,5mm!!! sorry I dont know AWG...
3. lamp wire or speaker wire or...litz wire with a plastic insulation
4.connect everything like in my picture
When you have the right results everything will be clear and then you will understand why this test is IMPORTANT!!!!
Otto
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some info i found on the IRF840 fets it seams that you can light bulbs with them
read the link i posted it is for a ampliflyer
http://www.electronics-lab.com/projects/rf/027/index.html
ist
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@weri812
I'm sorry, I don't see the difference? ??? I must be missing something (not the first time!) ;)
The difference is pictorially slight but a magtitude of difference electrically.
In the 2nd diagram the signal runs in 2 paths. A field is created around the center signal line. Any one who has achieved kicks knows this circuit. The GK4 is wired in the first step as Tesla's 390721 transformer (bucking field coils). These are the control coils. That I wrapped that configuration around iron wire which creates a configurable iron core for the control coils. Just like the second diagram. And per Otto's jumpering the iron cores become the collectors that are the internal feed of the the initial signals. But what this configuration does is feed a dissimilar frequency into the core from another control coil signal. The GK4 rendition could not reach over unity. The controller and collector masses are different.
What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close, a single frequency is all that is needed to produce resonance, hamonics and beautiful kicks with ringings. The Radiant energy component shows up also in the scope shots.
Now the GK4 is a gross example of the signal line coils fed back through its own collector (self). JDO300's, Otto's, and IS's smaller experiments show this explicitly in a less complicated format.
I will use Sauron's collector loop with all the black bobbins for this next explanation. Instead of driving all these coils seperately like a motor controller would do, we connect all these coils as a single controller but all bucking. Just like IS had done with his BLACK HOLE SUN. I think he knows what he is talking about here. If the mass is matching in that coil then it is appropriately named. You drive this with one frequency and what is impressed upon the collector must drive it crazy! Not to mention the flux collisions that are there.
Definately a Radiant energy pump. 90 degree coupling? Forget what you know. And when this thing ramps up think of the magnetic mess in the center!
And your clue for the day is: There is another musical indentifier (Soundgarden).
In diags the signal is 100khz. It probably matches up with the 50 turns.
--giantkiller.
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Hi Gk, Otto
Thank you for explaination.
nong
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What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close,
Do you mean iron and copper?
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Hello all,
@GK
just 1 question, if allowed:
Why do you use IRON?????
Otto
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@ otto this is what i have the black hole sun
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Hello IS,
I hope I see a 2 strand wire as collector.
Ok, how would you use the 16 controls??
Otto
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yes otto 2 sepreate strands collector no steel in it
8 ciols from left 8 from right 12121212 all the way around the ring
i was going to fire left then right when the opsite feilds colapase the kickback will colide
that was my thought
ist
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Did someone make a 3D design with Ansoft Maxwell software?
it is a software for electromagnetic design and simulation.
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Hello IS,
why soooooo complicated???? Come on, not sooooo much controls!!!
Have to go
Otto
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Hello all,
@GK
just 1 question, if allowed:
Why do you use IRON?????
Otto
Because SM said bailing wire. That enabled something very new to show up. The control coil became an iron core transformer. The core became a conductor that became the collector that is squeezed by the magnetic field of the control coil. Do you all see the cannon ball effect now? And that is why the coil diagram you posted is so important and that is why the effects were so profound in the GK4. Could it be done with copper? Possibly. The current focus is that infolded coil. JDO300 showed results from that same configuration months ago only the coil wasn't feed back through the middle.
SM has always posted well hidden clues if not specific opportunities blatantly. I have been very Sherlock Holmes like in my analysis with what I have seen on these threads. He's is an audio engineer. How do you think I came up with the microphones pointing in the speaker? He used a tube amp to begin with. Why? It was readily available in his pile of stuff. Did it work? You betcha. Everytime I grab a DVM do I explain how good it is? Nope. Throw it on the bench and turn it on. Remember the dolphins wave picture? They don't ride the boat, they are pushed by the effect of the boat pushing the water. It is effortless. That was the answer I got back. I have posted alot of these analogies. Some gotten, some not. This cat and mouse game is thick. I love the hunt.
I will post this over in LOTR also.
--giantkiller. Enjoy.
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i filled my collector as i think you can have as many as you want or a least as you want it does not matter to a degree!
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Hello all,
@GK
yes, SM said bailing wire....but I suppose he used it in his early TPUs and then the found a really good solution:
I have only copper in my newest TPU and thats very good. But Im using a lot of iron or aluminum in my TPU and didnt notice it!!!
No, Im not crazy.
Why must our MOSFETs be INSIDE the TPU????
Because of the MOSFETs!!!
AAAAANNNNNDDDDD!!!!
Their.....H E A T S I N K S !!!
Have a nice day.
Otto
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@Otto,
Thanks. As I looked back on all SM's TPUs it should've have been readily apparent that they are all a mixture of diferent metals.
The open TPU is an aluminum cable reel. That is why there is so little wire.
Dude, you're a genius!
The tuning fork hieroglyphic shows minimal wire and steel forks. Hello?
The tube amplifier has a steel case.
Some of us have used iron wire and gotten good results.
Looks like there are many ways to get there per Steven Mark's words.
I will have good day. You do the same. You have given me a gift of thought.
Thank you.
--giantkiller. I get it and got it.
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Hello all,
@GK
yes, SM said bailing wire....but I suppose he used it in his early TPUs and then the found a really good solution:
I have only copper in my newest TPU and thats very good. But Im using a lot of iron or aluminum in my TPU and didnt notice it!!!
No, Im not crazy.
Why must our MOSFETs be INSIDE the TPU????
Because of the MOSFETs!!!
AAAAANNNNNDDDDD!!!!
Their.....H E A T S I N K S !!!
Have a nice day.
Otto
Hi,
Just a while back i was reading the ss needs to be in the ring because the field around the torroid makes the clocks fail.
is this still nessisary ?
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Hello GK,
do you know how much wires I need??
3 "special" controls and 3 1 turn collectors. Nothing else in this moment.
Time needed to wind my coils and make a TPU: lets say 1 hour, this is more then enough.
Weight of my newest TPU: less then 100 gramms
End result: no comment in this moment!!
Wires used: ONLY COPPER!!
Cost of such a TPU: a few bucks, or euros.
Of course there will be a lot of models with iron, aluminum.... for what???
In my last post I claimed something about heatsinks. Imagine: a rotational magnetic field with a speed that is hmmm.....like a bullit from a gun. Now imagine everything in this ring is hot, the coils are really hot because of the high frequency current, and now imagine what is such a hot rotating magnetic field doing with the iron or aluminum heatsinks of your MOSFETs.
Just think about it.
Otto
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hey Otto, you said the coils untill now were all wrong design, can you describe in a few words what's wrong so we can start wrapping them right?
Thanx for all your input.
Sauron
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@ sauron
and im not trying to be rude or make anyone angry but if you look back a page or 2 in this thred i think you will find your answer i am now rewinding my BLACK HOLE SUN the right way
if i had 16 controls on my sun how many fets do i need? remember keep it simple stupid and that is where i went wrong
is team!!
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Harmonics. Or a couple of them rather :o
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giantkiller says:
"The open TPU is an aluminum cable reel."
What do you mean by this ?
When you say 'open' , what are you referring to ? The TPU that was cut up ? The larger diameter TPUs ?
When you say 'aluminium' cable reel do you mean a reel made of aluminimum or do you mean a plastic/cardboard reel wound with aluminium cable ?
All the cable reels I've seen have nothing like the proportions of the TPU, which means the cable reel must have been cut down into what ? an aluminium cylinder ?
What pictorial evidence or otherwise do you have for suggesting that an aluminium cable reel is used ? I have seen nothing on the videos or in SM descriptions that would point in this direction.
Giantkiller, in anticipation of your considered reply, many thanks.
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@eldarion
how about this
Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?
My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:
1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.
There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching ON. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.
Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:
1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as somewhere near the momentary collapse voltage - possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.
3. 1AMP @ 12volt = 12 watts is going to dissipate a fair amount of heat in the coil and bulb, if you consider the heat that comes off a 40watt bulb.
From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?
Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?
I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.
Cheers, Bob
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Otto,
I think that you may have finally resolved something Important about the collector .
Steven never said (and was not allowed to say)wether the collector was multiple turns or a single turn.
Who would have thought that hundereds of volts was available from a single turn?
That would mean that the cut TPU is could possibly be shorted at both ends and is a mass of short pieces of wire...
I always wondered why the big one seemed top have a gap where the terminals were,now it is making some sense.
I really hope that evey body here has done the first single wire"particle accellerator?"
test.
This thread will not go well for you if you have not.so go and do it NOW.
It is likley that you will be ignored by most here if you have not ...nothing personal
Thanks Otto..........we are moving foward ...
Lindsay
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@eldarion
how about this
Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?
My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:
1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.
There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching off. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.
Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:
1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as the momentary collapse voltage; possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.
From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?
Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?
I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.
Cheers, Bob
JUST DO THE TEST ok?
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@everyone this has been the best game i have ever played
it is turley amazing
i will be happy when my sun is shinging bright ;)
the best ever
IS TEAM!!
back to my work as i have much to do
the best of luck to all !!
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go is
i like your blk hole sun
wer
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@Mannix
Is this what you're saying the collector should be like. See attached drawing.
Please explain?
~Dan
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Hi Dan,
I can answer that question very easily, and everyone here please hear me out! Look at the picture of the SM17.... Look at it!
(http://images6.theimagehosting.com/SM17 (Back).6a3.th.JPG) (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=SM17 (Back).6a3.JPG) (http://images6.theimagehosting.com/Cut TPU.a23.th.JPG) (http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=Cut TPU.a23.JPG)
(Click for larger picture)
You can clearly see that the collector coils in the big TPU don't go around more than one, otherwise that gap wouldn't be there! Mr. Mark did describe the collector coil as more like a band then a coil, so that would explain that.
Look at the picture of the cut TPU. Those dots in the middle between the upper and lower part could be all the collector coil wires. Another possability is that the collector coil wires are at the top and bottom and the middle is just filler material.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Dansway,
Yes, that is what i had in my mind..
I must be careful not to be misleading ..this is My vision..and not directly from the master... but ottos test seems to confirm it...
as does mine...yours?
There could be many different ways to weave a tpu.
Lindsay
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Might it also add that it appears the two collector coils in thart TPU are directly connected to the two toroidal transformers on top of the control box...
God Bless,
Jason O
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Mannix i think I had mentioned this in an earlier post. In a tube set the plate inductance to the transformer is most important that saturation doesn't occur when it dose the electrons start flowing on the outside if the wire because the tube has no where to send them - the transformer being in the saturation state the Field in the gap gets overloaded and then the transformer gets saturated on the outside in witch a large E-Field develops ---if the power is not interrupted there could be other forces that take place . i still feel the gap in SM large TPU is an air gap of this nature.
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@eldarion
how about this
Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?
My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:
1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.
There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching off. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.
Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:
1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as the momentary collapse voltage; possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.
From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?
Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?
I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.
Cheers, Bob
Bob,
I am having the same problem. :)
Otto, Mannix, et al.: What is the effect supposed to be, for example, on a scope? Everything I have done has shown no anomaly. I can post some pics if you like of the coil setup. The only difference is that I am using an IRF640 which can handle higher current and shut off faster than an IRF840, so I would think that it would be better!
Is the fact that I am using speaker wire a problem? It is the same multistranded copper wire as could be found in cheap lamp wire. Do I need more copper strands in the collector wire?
I really want to get this thing working! ;D
Eldarion
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Hello all,
WOOOW,
things are moving!!!! Finally!!! Im happy again!!!!!
@Mr. Mannix,
you nailed it!!!!
Something from almost nothing or to say it better something from a little collector coil and hugh kicks from only 50 turns of wires, yes, you all missed it. Yesterday I was going back a lot of steps and made again my little test.
End result: depending on used frequency I had kicks over 400V on my scope. You dont trust me??? Tomorrow you will have all the nessesary pictures to make you own tests!! Of course I will try to make a photo of my kicks.
But this thes is also the evidence that we, I mean you, have to rewind your TPUs and think in another way.
@IS
this will be more and more amazing
@Dan
exactly, very nice picture
@Bob
a little question, if allowed:
What will happen if I connect my bulb not to the minus but to the plus (power supply)??
To say it in a few words: When the bulb is connected as in my picture. The oscillator is OFF. I have a bulb lighted at 12V. The oscillator is ON. I have, depending on used frequencies a light bulb shining with 12V or, when I change the frequency, a bright shining bulb with 24V. My coil acts as a particle accelerator and my 1 turn collector coil amplifies my kicks.
I hate theories but when you make my test you can see the clear evidence of my words.
Otto
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Hello all again,
guys, please, forget the old TPUs. Forget how you wound them. It was a totally wrong way. Youre loosing your time and your hard earned money!!!!
If possible, please NO PMs and NO MAILS. I have NOT so much time to answer. Sorry.
Just make the little amazing test. This test will show you how to make your new TPUs.
They are easy to built, fast to built and extremly cheap.
Otto
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@eldarion
how about this
Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?
My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:
1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.
There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching off. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.
Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:
1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as the momentary collapse voltage; possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.
From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?
Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?
I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.
Cheers, Bob
JUST DO THE TEST ok?
Thanks Mannix your comment is true to form.
But it would have been more helpful if you could have confirmed if this is the correct diagram as per my very first question. :)
So is this the right diagram or not ?
Have you tried pulsing with the wire NOT going through the center of your coil.
What different effects do you observe ?
JUST DO THIS TEST.
I have now done this and there is NO DIFFERENCE.
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@ everyone i will be over time repairing some of my more important posts i would ask the newer people to have a look at after i replace it sorry for removing but i was confused at that time
@ otto i cant wait
@ everyone it seams the learning never ends
IS TEAM!!
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End result: depending on used frequency I had kicks over 400V on my scope. You dont trust me??? Tomorrow you will have all the nessesary pictures to make you own tests!! Of course I will try to make a photo of my kicks.
Excellent. Look forward to seeing a photo of your setup as well so I can confirm how you have things connected. I don't see anywhere near 400 volts on my scope.
Could you show exactly where you are putting the probe and where you are connecting the reference voltage for the probe.
What will happen if I connect my bulb not to the minus but to the plus (power supply)??
I tried it. The light is even slightly brighter (hard to tell) than in the previous test. But this is because now when you pulse OFF, the entire magnetic field of the coil is collapsing, causing a current to flow through the lamp much like a protection diode across a solenoid.
AGAIN, you get the SAME result whether the wire is in the center of the coil or whether the coil is empty.
Have you tried this ????? How do you explain this ?????
To say it in a few words: When the bulb is connected as in my picture. The oscillator is OFF. I have a bulb lighted at 12V. The oscillator is ON. I have, depending on used frequencies a light bulb shining with 12V or, when I change the frequency, a bright shining bulb with 24V. My coil acts as a particle accelerator and my 1 turn collector coil amplifies my kicks.
This is exactly what you'd expect from standard electrical thoery and is exactly what I said.
Like I said look forward to seeing how your setup is achieving the results you state.
But please do the test I suggest. I sincerely want to know if the center wire in the coil really is making a difference in YOUR setup. In mine it makes didley squat difference.
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Hi Otto,
Hope to see your new setup.
It would be a big boost to the forum since a long time.
Regards,
p/s still doing with my TPU ;D
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Hi Everyone,
@Otto,
Great to hear the results you are getting. Looking forward to the info from your tests.
@Everyone else
Here's the picture again of Otto's coil setup for all the newbies that may want to replicate it.
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=7970;image)
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello all,
I always thought Im only a little coil winder. Now, today, after my work, I have to be a photographer or how you say it. Ha,ha.
@Bob
As we have NO minuses or ground connected to a TPU I connected my bulb to the plus from the power supply. Maybe there is a little change in brightness but this we can ignore. The point is: NO MINUS IN THE TPU. Of course my picture is NOT wrong, in this moment it is only important to have big kicks.
Or maybe someone of you folks saw in the videos that SM used a ground or minus connection and I missed it??? Of course not.
Collector outside the coil...hmmm... yes, I tried it but dont remember exactly. I will try this today again. But be sure, if this would be good I would use it. I think the kicks are not soooo big or so. Yes, yes, I will make my homework and the tests.
You have to know Im a extremly fast working guy. I make a test, see, if good, ok, if Im not satisfied, then I forget it, its canceled from my little brain.
And so I was doing in the past with your various links, patents...and all other stuff that you all guys showed us (not the posts). A quick look at the shown link or patent, saw just 1 drawing, canceled from my brain. Sorry guys.
Otto
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Hi Otto,
That is interesting that you have the bulb connected to the positive side of the battery. What is now happening then is the whole collector has a "DC Bias" on it now. I am going to retest this again to see if I get a different result than the first test. But now I am just wondering where the minus from the Oscillator goes? Does it go to the positive of the power supply also? And just to be clear once more, the positive lead from the function generator/oscillator goes onto the coil, and the negative lead from the function generator/oscillator goes to the positive of the battery?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Ok, that last diagram I posted makes absolutely no sense. Here's a better one. Otto can you please correct me on the connections? I know you said there are no minuses or grounds in the TPU so can you clear up for me where the minus for the function generator goes. Also, I changes the position of the bulb in the picture. Was this what you meant by the bulb being connected to the positive?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello all,
@Jason
Minus from power supply AND minus of oszillator AND Source(minus) of MOSFET - connect TOGETHER.
Plus from power supply connect to 50 turns coil AND 1 turn collector. This 1 turn collector goes through the 50 turns coil.
From power supply +12V
Use a IRF 840 MOSFET!!!!
DONT MIX PLUS AND MINUS!!!!! NO WAY!!! YOU WILL BURN YOUR OSZILLATOR!!!!!
The result should be the same but the point is that we now DO NOT have a minus on our setup and in future in our TPU.
Tomorrow you will see everything.
Otto
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things are moving!!!! Finally!!! Im happy again!!!!!
Good for you Otto.
As I red the messages I noticed nobody even paid attention to the message of bob.rennips in this page:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.2380.html
I’m totally with Bob here. That is exactly how Otto’s coil setup would behave.
I can’t see anything abnormal in here nor do I see that any excess energy would come out of this. It is just like any pulsed coil like this:
(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/coil.JPG)
Although, Otto’s and all other experiments, the documentation really sucks! Nobody can not repeat your tests or even your circuits because lack of documentation.
Otto’s oscillators output stage has two transistors NPN & PNP? So what is the circuit of it? We can not repeat your experiments if the info is not given!
And depending on the oscillator stage output, your circuit will not add the 12V and the 5V pulse voltage! When the pulse is ON, the coil will have a voltage 12V-5V=7V so the coil is actually pulsed with 5V pulses so that the voltage goes like 12V-7V-12V-7V…
Guys! If you have oscilloscopes PLEASE! PLEASE! show the voltages here please.
Please give all info possible of your experiment!
You can not use multimeter to measure anything when using high frequencies!
Use oscilloscope to measure the voltage of the coil and then use a small 1ohm resistor in series to calculate the current, multimeter will not give correct current/voltage when high frequency pulses are present.
1. Show us everything or it is useless otherwise.
2. Document everything including the shape of the voltage in oscilloscope
If you have digital Tectronix scope it is possible to take “screenshots†in some models, these are the best documentation with exact circuit diagram. Photos are nice too :)
Enjoyable experimentig to all
-jarkko
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Hello all,
here the circuit
Otto
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So it's the same as this in that how it works.
Can you post some pictures of the voltages from your scope?
(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/pulse.JPG)
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Hello all,
I can only hope its a little bit clearer now.
Use:
1. IRF 840 MOSFET
2. 50 turns wire is 0,5mm in diameter, sorry dont know the awg
3. 12V from power supply
4. pulses from oscillator 5 - 12V
5. lamp wire - insulated or speaker wire - insulated or ....less then 1 foot long, less then 30cm long, must NOT be a ring, just a piece of litz wire
This and NOTHING ELSE!!! And you will have my results.
Otto
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Sulake,
your joking.
Otto
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So it's the same as this in that how it works.
Can you post some pictures of the voltages from your scope?
(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/pulse.JPG)
Please do the test!!!!!
use the correct components arghhh!
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your joking.
No I'm not, but maby I misuderstand your circuit drawing.
In the Drain of the IRF840, there is a voltage of 12V that comes through the 50rounds coil?
If it is like in your drawing, IRF840 only acts like a swich that connects Drain to Source that is in Ground level?
If your pulse generator gives out some extra voltage to the coil, the drawing must be wrong then. That drawing only acts like a swich that pulls it to ground. ?????
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@Jason,
Ok...Jason! I'm ready to do the Super Otto 3-coil test! This coil should be very interesting. ;)
This is my newest addition to the tpu family.
@Otton,
Thanks for sharing! Don't worry about anyone's detractions. Just keep your compass pointed in the right direction!
~Dan
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Hello all,
here the circuit
Otto
Thanks Otto (and sulake for the clean-line version)
I've tried both this circuit and the circuit where the lamp is connected to the minus. In both cases whether the collector is within the coil or not there is no difference.
Can anyone else confirm this, with their setup ?
I assume everyone is aware that a coil has inherent self capacitance so in effect what you have is an LCR circuit. You would expect an LCR circuit to have a resonant frequency where the voltage is highest.
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@sulake
We are trying to tell/show you that there is something "added" from outside this simple circuit when it runs.
Do the test or not. :-\
~Dan
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So it's the same as this in that how it works.
Can you post some pictures of the voltages from your scope?
(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/pulse.JPG)
Please do the test!!!!!
use the correct components arghhh!
Mannix your replies are about as useful as a sponge on the titanic.
We HAVE TRIED the TESTS.
CAN YOU NOT READ.
Further more we have done another test with the COLLECTED NOT being placed WITHIN the coil and get EXACTLY THE SAME VOLTAGES AND RESULTS.
So either we're not using the correct circuit OR your interpretation of your results is hogwash.
To this end we have been trying to pin down exactly what the circuit is to ensure the difference in interpretation is not in this part.
So far we have a circuit with lamp connected to MINUS.
Latest circuit has lamp connected to PLUS.
Secondly, we have asked for other to try THE TEST, but with the collector not within the coil. ANY good experimentor devices further experiements to confirm their interpretation.
I have done this experiement, HAVE YOU ?
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Sulake,
People have been at this for some time doing their best within their financial means and abilities to interpret what they find.
Please do not complain or be demanding, just accept what people can do and have done both in testing and contributing.
Best to break out our own test gear and try to replicate and contribute ourselves than try to apply pressure to those like OTTO already doing the hard yards here.
Smoky
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Hello all,
@Bob
ok, you tried the test. What transistor have you used???
What do you see on your scope??
Please, let us know.
Otto
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Sulake,
People have been at this for some time doing their best within their financial means and abilities to interpret what they find.
Please do not complain or be demanding, just accept what people can do and have done both in testing and contributing.
Best to break out our own test gear and try to replicate and contribute ourselves than try to apply pressure to those like OTTO already doing the hard yards here.
Smoky
On the contrary, Sulake IS contributing much to the discussion.
He's pointing out that the results do not appear anomalous. He's asked for a clarification of the circuit. He's redrawn the circuit. He's also pointed out that the MOSFET as drawn by OTTO, IS acting as a switch. He's provided (I believe) what looks like a simulated out, based on traditional electrical theory, from something like SPICE.
I've tried the circuit but don't see anything in the high voltages that I wouldn't expect in standard theory. Further more as any experimentor should be doing I've devised a simple further experiment to confirm whether your conclusions are correct.
Your theory is that the collector going through the center of coil is somehow adding to the voltage spike and/or current. To test this theory of yours a simple experiment is to have EXACTLY the same wire and components and connections but NOT have the collector going through the coil.
My results stay EXACTLY the same; QED the theory of the collector in the coil is INCORRECT OR the circuit I'm using is WRONG.
It is either one or the other. Given that OTTO has now posted the defintive circuit and components I believe my circuirt is identical to those being used by others.
So what's left is for YOU ALL to do this further test and let us know if you get any difference in results. If you do then we have to start looking at what other factor makes my circuit different from yours.
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Hello,
@Bob
YOU ARE NOT USING A IRF 840 MOSFET or you are using a oridinary transistor!!!!
Otto
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Hello all,
@Bob
ok, you tried the test. What transistor have you used???
What do you see on your scope??
Please, let us know.
Otto
IRF840 by ST (Thompson)
http://www.futurlec.com/Transistors/IRF840.shtml
I note that it has a reverse voltage diode built in. I can't imagine other manufacturers wouldn't have the reverse voltage diode.
Who makes your 840 ? I'll look up the datasheet to see if there are any differences - shouldn't be.
I get a standard decay pulse after the pulse turns OFF.
As I manually move through the frequencies on my function generator, the maximum voltage of the decay pulse, goes to a maximum (about 50V) and then reduces, continuing up the frequencies the voltage rises again and surpasses the previous high voltage (about 110V). Expanding the timeline on the scope and it may be going as high as 200V but the rise and fall of the first pulse is very steep so it's hard to tell what the maximum is on the scope.
My interpretation is the first peak is a harmonic of the second actual resonant frequency of the circuit.
What are you seeing on your scope ?
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Hello,
tomorrow you will se photos of almost ideal kicks. Depending on used frequencies from nothing to over 400V.
I used almost all IRFs. In this moment I have at home 15 - 20 of them. I think from 2, maybe 3 various manufacturers, there is NO diffrernce.
We will see tomorrow.
Otto
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Hi Otto,
Are you using a bench power supply or battery?
I was wondering if the spikes you are seeing may have come from a secondary winding of your PSU. You need to scope your supply possibly.
Are you getting any kind of current to go with these 400V spikes?
Is the 400V measured across the lamp?
What frequency and duty cycle?
I am amazed you can get such a large back emf with so few turns, no ferrous core and only 12v.
Look forward to seeing your scope shots.
Regards
Rob
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Meggerman & other,
I do obtain BEMF over the scope screen size (more than 700V) in similar conditions!!
Listen to Otto...the key is in using a VERY VERY FAST & HIGH CURRENT (low input capacitance) latest generation MOSFET = IRF 840 ...... I personally do use IRFP450 because I already had a lot of them (Their are similar but the 840 has a faster rise time i.e lower input cap).
Roberto
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hello all
if i could add a few words
in ordor to even begin to understand any thing one must read everything you can! this was not at all spelled out as easyly for me or otto or others as it is now for you
we all must realize that this is far from a toy if you truly have an intrest in this research you WILL READ ALL YOU CAN many many times this is as sauron said the easy way i myself did not walk the same path you all now can we all have so verry much more to learn about this new and old alike
if for some reason you thought this would be an easy project you were wrong!!!
there is so verry much more to it
you all have just begun to walk the many many steps to the finish line
we must understand everything about this to be safe with it
if you can not understand thease few basic test you will only become confused when this starts to get tough
this is the easyest part along the way please take the time to read everything you can as i have and many others have too
but as i said i have so verry much more to learn and i am far beond many of you the learning will never end on this tech
please do not rely on otto to show you
you must discover for yourselvs please READ ALL YOU CAN!!
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Meggerman & other,
I do obtain BEMF over the scope screen size (more than 700V) in similar conditions!!
Listen to Otto...the key is in using a VERY VERY FAST & HIGH CURRENT (low input capacitance) latest generation MOSFET = IRF 840 ...... I personally do use IRFP450 because I already had a lot of them (Their are similar but the 840 has a faster rise time i.e lower input cap).
Roberto
Excellent. Now try without the collector going through the center of the coil. Everything else exactly the same. What voltage measurement do you get ?
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Hi Otto,
Are you using a bench power supply or battery?
I was wondering if the spikes you are seeing may have come from a secondary winding of your PSU. You need to scope your supply possibly.
Are you getting any kind of current to go with these 400V spikes?
Is the 400V measured across the lamp?
What frequency and duty cycle?
I am amazed you can get such a large back emf with so few turns, no ferrous core and only 12v.
Look forward to seeing your scope shots.
Regards
Rob
Good thinking. I'm using a standard sized car battery.
What are other people using for a power supply ?
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Hi Otto,
Thank you for the clarification on the circuit diagram. That definitely clears up the TON of confusion that I was experiencing :D
@bob,
I'm going to be retesting this circuit as soon as I get home and you can bet that I will post lots of scope shots and photos (I'll probe it to death).
@Otto,
Ok, one quick thing, what pulse width did you use to get your best results? I'm assuming a very short pulse as I have been able to get 350+V spikes on some of my TPU experiments with extremely short pulses.
Also, I know someone else asked this but it would help to know how much amperage you are pushing through the coils. The 25V power supply I am using is current limited at 0.5A, though a simply 9V battery will push an amp easily (but it's only 9V though). So having some idea of the current requirement will make accurate replication easier too.
Finally, having some idea of the frequency range you are working in would help. We know that everyone's coils will have a different 'sweet spot' but were you finding this in the low kHz, 100s of kHz or MHz range?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello all,
a long time ago it was said to use at least 12V.
I have a oridinary 12V, self made, power supply.
When you will work with your coils, sometimes, at some frequencies you may need 3 - 4A from your power supply!!! Of course this is not good at all but I will only show you the current. When my current from the power supply is over 2,5A I quickly change my frequencies because the MOSFETs with my heatsinks are VERY, VERY HOT!!
Pulse width always 50 - 50%.
Frequencies used: 0Hz - 1MHz but with my cheap caps in my oscillators Im not able to reach 1MHz and my 8038 IC used as oscillator cant reach this frequency and 1MHz we DONT need!!!
Everything is in the kHz range.
Otto
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http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/socratic/output/resonant_instructor.pdf
The above is a primer on resonance, for those of you that have forgotten the unintuitive effects of resonance/self-resonance in a circuit.
Take a look at question 8. 250mv AC input. Calculated voltages of over 4volts. That's 8 times input without a sniff of back EMF.
The 'Q' of a resonant circuit (see page 16) is defined as:
Voltage Across Inductor/Voltage of Source when at resonance.
You can easily have inductors with a Q of 50 to 100. Even up to 1000 with additional capacitor. That means on 12 volt input you could get observed voltage across an inductor of 600 volts with a Q of 50 at resonance. Resonance is the 'sweet spot'.
As you change frequencies the effective impedance of the coil changes from near enough 0 (high amps) to extremely high impedance (low amps). After all this is exactly the principal on which simple band-pass filter work. The principle of a cross-over network in your speakers to split bass and treble.
This is clearly what I observe with my circuit.
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What is power out? I have seen no total power out measurements yet.
Where are the scope shots?
Are there inertial effects?
Spinning compass?
@Mannix, your account name has been changed to Mannix. Your password should be the same as it was before.
Also, regarding Ronotte's post. I don't think what he did was a reproduction of Otto's setup. I think he did something else. I could be wrong. Perhaps Ronotte could clarify?
Regards,
Rich
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Hi Bob,
You make some really great points about the behavior of the circuit, and I believe that you have perfectly characterized its behavior from the standard perspective. But we must also realize that there may also be Radiant Energy effects taking place in addition to the standard electrical resonance effects.
Taking a few steps back, let?s consider what RE actually is. We know that Tesla worked with the stuff extensively with his spark gap experiments, which is all very well documented in his research papers and notes. He first noticed the effect when a switch was first tuned on and off. Now, one may play this off as simply inrush current and BEMF spikes but if you read more into the subject, you find that this oddball electrical effect does a whole lot more than make kicks.
When Tesla started doing experiments to duplicate the effect of the mechanical switching, he found that turning on and off a spark gap abruptly with ever decreasing switching time increase the intensity of the RE effect. When this occurred, he could create all kinds of effects ranging from cooling effects, to anomalous charging of nearby metal objects. He also noted that he felt pain from the discharges, which appeared to be unshieldable, even with a grounded faraday cage or led plate surrounding the discharge zone. I won?t go into further detail about all this but the point is that there could be more going on here in this simple circuit than what is predicted in the standard electrical theory. However, if you look in the physics world, there is nothing miraculous about this at all.
My understanding is that RE is simply super high-energy photons from the vacuum, or put simply, pure potential. This stuff behaves exactly in the same way as normal light photons in how it interacts with the electron. When we pulse our coils and abruptly shut off the flow of current, the radiant energy potential is ejected from the wires at 90 degrees in all directions. We can pick up a component of this discharge as an abrupt increase in the radial E-field around the wires. The intensity of this ejection is proportional to the applied power, and the speed at which the current is started and stopped. Keep in mind that all of this is in addition to the regular resonance and BEMF effects that we would expect to see.
When this high energy potential comes into contact with the electrons on neighboring metal objects, these photons increase the kinetic energy of the electrons in the wire, just like light striking a mass imparts momentum to it. There is nothing mysterious at all about this. So the whole point is that we can decouple the potential in our pulse coils from the source (transfer potential from one point to another without moving charges from the source), which is completely permitted because ultimately, the energy all comes from and returns to the same place, the active vacuum. So the more kicks, the more potential that can be transferred to our collector coil.
I have more to say but theorizing won?t get the testing done any faster. My present hypothesis is if having the collector coil inside the pulse coil makes any measurable difference in the spikes or circuit output, it will be because of the radiant events occurring from the coil. But again, this all needs to be tested rigorously and verified.
@Otto, I recommend that you bring your pulse width way down from 50%. You can get better radiant results that way and use much less current from your power supply. Just a thought.
God Bless,
Jason O
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@ Otto,
I not have at home the MOSFET you said; I tried with the two MOSFET I have.
The bulb is for 12 volt, so I use 5 volt for the coil.
The setup:
1. MOSFET: IRF 530 and NDP506A
2. 50 turns wire 0,5mm in diameter
3. 5V from power supply
4. pulses from oscillator NE555 5 - 12V; 50% on 50% off
5. trifilar inasulated lamp wire
6. bulb 12 volt 5 watt
Result:
with IRF 530:
maximum bright of the bulb at 10 KHz, with prev.neg spikes of 70 volt; great heat on the mosfet and on the coil
with NDP506A:
maximum bright of the bulb at 5 KHz, with prev.neg spikes of 70 volt; heat on the mosfet and on the coil minimum
without the lamp wire inside the coil I see spikes but no so high, not measured but I think half voltage; bulb brighty the same
If instead I use a neon lamp (18 W 70 cm lenght) I have full brighty at the righ freq. for 1/4 of the lenght of the neon and heat
Otto, and now ? Next step ?
Icarus
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Hi Icarus,
So you are saying that when the collector coil is inside the control coil, you get larger spikes? Do you have a scope that you could take picture of and post here? Did your bulb appear to have any difference in the glow when the collector was inside the coil as opposed to not.
One more recommendation. If you can get the pulse width down, you may get better effects with less current dissipation through the coil.
God Bless,
Jason O
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@Otto, I recommend that you bring your pulse width way down from 50%. You can get better radiant results that way and use much less current from your power supply. Just a thought.
God Bless,
Jason O
My second mis-replication of Otto's little coil on the Lords of the Ring topic agrees with you. I was sweeping the pulse-width when I found the sweet spot. Post frequency adjustments did not seem to move me out of this sweet spot, as I recall.
EDIT ONE: I just checked, post frequency adjustments did not move me out of this sweet spot. In fact they seem to have little effect on frequency at all. The frequency is actually oscillating; it looks like a spring on my scope bouncing back and forth.
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Hi Rosphere,
Absolutely correct! Once you get the pulse width right, the changing the frequency only gives you more pulses to work with. But when you get close to the coil's resonant frequency, the kicks will start to add into a humongous sine wave when the coil is at resonance. Unfortunately, I have not had the chance to dabble in teh coils actual resonant frequency since most of my coils' resonant frequencies were up in the MHz above my signal generator's range.
The tall kicks are a BIG key! High voltage low current.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Thanks Jason...again
For you paitence to explain as well.
Please see this effect that Jason has
Im sorry If I seem unhelpfull to some.. it has been a while now and this experiment is quite oldasfar as otto would be concerned. It demonstrates that frequencies can misbehave in a coil...Just a first step.
Please recognise just how hard it is to get to here.and this part is simple...or so it seems looking back?
Now apply this to what Steven has been saying and you will see the difficulty involved..and the patience required.
Yes mine runs out too early at times... been here a while now.
Some people who have just arrived are not aware of things that others who have been hunting for a while are.
Cheers
Lindsay
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OTTO,
Hate to ask these questions, but nit-picking engineer's need this level of detail.
How is the "50 turn" coil wound? Which direction in reference to the wire that goes through it?
Also, is this 50-turn coil just a lump of 50 turns or does is have a length - like a solenoid coil.
If it is like a solenoid coil - single layer or more than one layer?
Inner and outer dimensions of the 50-turn coil?
(Might be easier to post a picture of it or make a sketch than to describe it.)
For duplication of an effect - you need to get as close as possible to the original experiment. If you ever invent anything, this sort of detail in a lab notebook will go far to prove that you invented it. This is also good for general experimenting. Things appear one way today and then test tomorrow change your view and you can go back and compare the differences in setups. Scientist would disect you setup down to the wire length, insulation type, copper alloy, and everything else.
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@ everyone
this is simple and i have decided to help as it seams you all can use it
the coil does not matter 50 turns that is all make it short make it fat it does not matter the collector wire throught it agin it does not matter to a degree
the reasion im going to answer some of your simple questions is
it seams no one elese wants to step up
i will answer what i can as i have no scope but i have a verry good handle on this
otto is a busy guy and i will be helping him to the best of my skills
i was going to edit and repair my posts but i like it the way it is i may fix some that make me feel good but not many
a pic of what i posted with ottos test. wire it up as in his drawing
i used nothing to drive it but a 12v dc adaptor and manualy plused it and i hooked up my volt meter and as the pic shows the voltage increased by .20 volts or so in this test i used speeker wire and magwire as you can see so when you hit the right freq for the size of coil it will ring and make the kicks
IS TEAM!!
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@Otto, I recommend that you bring your pulse width way down from 50%. You can get better radiant results that way and use much less current from your power supply. Just a thought.
God Bless,
Jason O
My second mis-replication of Otto's little coil on the Lords of the Ring topic agrees with you. I was sweeping the pulse-width when I found the sweet spot. Post frequency adjustments did not seem to move me out of this sweet spot, as I recall.
EDIT ONE: I just checked, post frequency adjustments did not move me out of this sweet spot. In fact they seem to have little effect on frequency at all.
This is EXACTLY what I found! As soon as I decreased the pulse width to less than 10% (I have a custom crystal-controlled pulse generator that can generate an exact frequency with an exact duty cycle) the MOSFET stopped heating up and the light was as bright as it was without the oscillator connected. (On my setup, as soon as I turned on the oscillator the light actually dimmed.)
Just confirming this for you! ;)
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@Eldarion
This is EXACTLY what I found! As soon as I decreased the pulse width to less than 10% (I have a custom crystal-controlled pulse generator that can generate an exact frequency with an exact duty cycle) the MOSFET stopped heating up and the light was as bright as it was without the oscillator connected. (On my setup, as soon as I turned on the oscillator the light actually dimmed.)
Eldarion, I'm not bashing or flaming... but maybe you can elaborate on if the Oscillator was not connected, then it would not heat up... So reading between the lines you got the unit started with 10% less pulse width, then .... disconnected it and the tpu continued on it's own? Thus sustaining itself?
-art
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Very good info on the variation of pulse width. Otto showed a square wave. what if you use another waveform? What if you clip the wave , or clamp it, or differentiate it? What if you use positive and negative signals?
I'm not bashing or flaming either, but a voltage increase and a brighter bulb is not enough to say you have something extrordinary. No current measurements, no variations of the circuit - what if the lamp wire is outside the coil, across the coil, or far away from the coil? What if the lamp wire is ran through the coil - bifilar canceling?
Don't give me that "I am a simple person - I'm not an engineer" crap either - seek to understand what is happening - look at it from several angles - confirm your theories.
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Very good info on the variation of pulse width. Otto showed a square wave. what if you use another waveform? What if you clip the wave , or clamp it, or differentiate it? What if you use positive and negative signals?
I'm not bashing or flaming either, but a voltage increase and a brighter bulb is not enough to say you have something extrordinary. No current measurements, no variations of the circuit - what if the lamp wire is outside the coil, across the coil, or far away from the coil? What if the lamp wire is ran through the coil - bifilar canceling?
Don't give me that "I am a simple person - I'm not an engineer" crap either - seek to understand what is happening - look at it from several angles - confirm your theories.
I will try to get it right this time.
The test a step towards understanding ...you will have to actually do it..Im sorry that I have to say that but surley ,at some point there will be something incomprehensible to you..because TPU's are impossible right?
Please allow that some effects are not documented and are not in theory YET
Now bear with me here, Please it is important.
Your first introduction to maths was not long division right?
Why not? You could count already..?
Those that actually do the test Might be on the same page.and ready for the next steps.
Otherwise there will be misunderstandings.
I am not going to say "do the test again" and it is the last mention of it from me.
I am glad that some are actually doing it good for you!
Th onus of proof is not on the supplier of information..the ous is on you to do the simple experiment. Or not..please do not ask poeople to do things that you can do your self..it just shows that you have not done the test and it saddens me .
Im sure that there may be other ways to learn tpu art..its just not here right now.
I will bow out for a bit as If this has not made the situation more clear then it may be beyond my ability to convey it.
Take care of each other
Lindsay
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@Eldarion
This is EXACTLY what I found! As soon as I decreased the pulse width to less than 10% (I have a custom crystal-controlled pulse generator that can generate an exact frequency with an exact duty cycle) the MOSFET stopped heating up and the light was as bright as it was without the oscillator connected. (On my setup, as soon as I turned on the oscillator the light actually dimmed.)
Eldarion, I'm not bashing or flaming... but maybe you can elaborate on if the Oscillator was not connected, then it would not heat up... So reading between the lines you got the unit started with 10% less pulse width, then .... disconnected it and the tpu continued on it's own? Thus sustaining itself?
-art
Art,
No offense taken. :)
If this thing was sustaining itself, I would be shouting it from the mountaintops, not making one little post and dropping it! ;) There is another source of power in Otto's diagram (the 12V source); that is what is lighting the bulb when the oscillator is disconnected.
Sorry for the confusion! I will continue to experiment with this stuff, and if I find something noteworthy I will post explicit instructions on how to achieve the effect.
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Hello all,
@Jason,
I already know about pulse width. Come on guys, Im working without a break.
When you change the pulse width you get bigger kicks.... I dont have to change my pulse width!!!
Yes, Jason youre right when you say the kicks are changing into sine waves, yes.
To all,
I have a question for all of you: why are you all trying to get sooooooo big kicks????
What will you do with so huge kicks???
I can make kicks that can blow my oscilloskop and then what???
You mean if you have mega kicks you would have mega power???
Otto
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Eldarion, place a small cap from Gate to Source pins.
Tap the frequency gennie to give the circuit one pulse to start oscillation. ;)
You might have to play around with cap values a bit to get it to sustain oscillation.
Enjoy
Rich
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Hello all,
@Jason,
I already know about pulse width. Come on guys, Im working without a break.
When you change the pulse width you get bigger kicks.... I dont have to change my pulse width!!!
Yes, Jason youre right when you say the kicks are changing into sine waves, yes.
To all,
I have a question for all of you: why are you all trying to get sooooooo big kicks????
What will you do with so huge kicks???
I can make kicks that can blow my oscilloskop and then what???
You mean if you have mega kicks you would have mega power???
Otto
Jason's kicks are no bigger than your Otto.
He was inspired by you, and accidentally found another way.
I see no reason for vitriolic responses. And labels, as you have done in your new thread. We're all trying for the same thing. Are we not?
Rich
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I think that Otto is trying to make a point.
7 months ago he asked us to do his little test..
He is raising the questions because there are answers.
He knows how hard it is to get points across and is learning to be a teacher.
His primary language is not English
Lindsay
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sorry mannix
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opps
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Lets look at something that's much more down to Earth. How about building a tiny tabletop model? Our transmitter will be a flyback transformer running at 30KHZ, 30KV. The receiver will be an identical device. Give both transformers a vertical antenna. How much energy can the receiver extract from the transmitter? If the transmitter's antenna is 10pF to ground, then when charged it carries 1/2*C*V^2 Joules of energy, or 4.5mJ. The transmitter charges and discharges this antenna 30K times per second, for a "sloshing" EM energy flow of 270 watts. If the receiver could "suck" each 4.5mJ pulse out of the fields, it could extract 270 watts at most (if the flyback transformer could handle the current!) A better estimate comes from connecting the two antennas with a capacitance. Suppose the capacitance between the antennas is 1pF. If the load resistance of the receiver causes the resonant voltage on the receiver to rise to a value of 1.414 times less than the transmitter voltage, then we've got a simple voltage divider. 30KV on the transmitter antenna, 21KV on the receiver. The receiver gathers 1.7mA of high-freq current. (At such high voltages, the 1pF between the antennas becomes a significant conductor.) The receiver ends up drawing 35 watts. Actually, if there was no load on the receiver, its voltage would rise until it was near 30KV. Just wind a secondary on the core of the receiving flyback and hook up a light bulb to draw the 35 watts out of the "sky". If Tesla used a megawatt transmitter at 5KHz, he probably could light some bulbs from 100KM away. (Ideally, that gives 2500 watts received.) Suppose we transmit at 100Hz? The wavelength is 3000KM and our receiver is probably within the nearfield region of the transmitter, so it can grab a significant portion of the 10KW. Hey, didn't Tesla believe that lower radio frequencies were better than high ones? For resonant power transmission they are, since the nearfield zone of a resonant receiving antenna is larger at low frequency, yet with no less power from the transmitter, and no less power flowing past the antenna. A small low-frequency resonator coil is "larger," so it intercepts more radiation.
JUst a thought
How does that relate to a tpu?
Misdirection??
The one wire stuff was in the Turbo thread...wrong place perhaps?
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Hello All,
I'm new to this group and have been doing extensive reading and watching videos trying to get up familiar with the information given by SM.
I'm wondering if there are any vacuum tube circuits designs that have been done or is there any data available of tests using vacuum tubes. If so could you kindly point me in the right direction.
I have located some RCA resources that may be of interested. I hope this is not a duplication.
The following site has a collection of online books relating to vacuum tubes one of which is "Electron Tube Design" ( RCA 1962 )
http://triodetubes.com/content/view/5/6/
The next site relates to Early Color Television and includes documentation on a RCA Color TV Set 21-CT-7855U
You will also find a pdf file for the RCA CTC-5A deluxe chassis on this page.
http://bs.cyty.com/menschen/e-etzold/archiv/TV/rca/ctc5_e.htm
-Duff
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Hi duff.
I have messed with the tubes some time ago, Still keep them around.
Mannix and Jdo-300 are tubers. I work with Jdo. (Jason) often I will mention to him you are interested in the Tube aspect of this research. Perhapps these gentlemen will point you in the right direction. Moab,
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Thanks Moab - I'll check out those threads.
-Duff
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these setups each can be used as times 2 or 3 or 4 voltage boosters
i drawed the circut as all are used im not sure i would use all 3 together but it could work well ? .. anyway there it is
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right.
voltagedoublers
tripler
and so on
is long know in electronics-
thimk about
any doubling will be make have the amperage !
so the Power (Watt) wil NOT increase !!
Pese
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pese,
maybe you should take a closer look at that rule!! i think you will find through experimentation that the rule only aplies to a certain, atainable voltage. after that it is like a kid diving into the candy store.
check it out. do some more research. imaginary numbers is not teachable to first graders, as a whole, but in mathimatics on a higher level they are still needed.
FOR WHAT?
lol
sam
ps. justification!!!
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@supersam
possibly , i can help (something)
in beow link see please:
last 2 links (voltage doublers ...)
and in the mid air-ionizer
=voltage multipled by 12 (or more)
Pese
http://otto-gb.150m.com/p2/index.html
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If I was being threatened by the "Men in Black" over an invention I would go public via the web with the threats AND the invention! How dare they squelch important discoveries! Good thing they were not around to stop Tesla designing our AC system or we'd probably be in the Dark Ages with Edison's pathetic DC. But they obviously were around to kill his later discoveries....What a bunch of crap. And here we sit with hot soldering irons begging for the missing puzzle pieces. This discovery would be worth any sacrifice to release to the Web....and if they did kill off the inventor the World would know about it. If Stanley Meyers would have given us the secret to his electrolosizer we all would be driving water cars now....sigh.
I know one man who shared his invention with the world. (http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/articles/geet/geet.htm) His name is Paul Pantone. Thanx to this there are hundreds replications of his reactor worldwide. See some of them (click on the thumbnails):
Realizations 2004-2005 (http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/RealPMCPantone.htm)
Rùalisations 2006 (http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/Real2006SystPantone.htm)
Realisations 2007 (http://quanthomme.free.fr/qhsuite/Real2007SystPantone.htm)
If more inventors were like him we would have gotten off the grid long time ago.
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is his stuff in english anywhere?
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is his stuff in english anywhere?
Yes -- http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/articles/geet/geet.htm -- assembling instructions.
What is GEET Fuel Processor -- http://www.geet-pantone.com/self.htm
Tests of a lawnmower retrofitted with GEET -- http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/pmcjlnen.htm
Paul Pantone demonstrating his device -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5YsK3bwzPM
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About Steven Mark
A history of The T.P.U . (Torroidal Power Unit)
By Lindsay Mannix 2006
Have you ever had a dream?
Hi guys!
I do not have the time to read through all 247 pages of postings, so please tell me -- did you find any diagrams or assembling plans for T.P.U., anything doable?
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Otto,
can you please be more precise:
When you change the pulse width more narrow you get xxxxxx kicks
When you change the pulse width wider you get xxxxxxx kicks
please replace xxxxx with the words smaller or larger.
Kannst Du mehr genau sein:
Wenn Pulsbreite groesser ist, Kicks sind ??????
Wenn Pulsbreite kleiner ist, Kicks sind ??????
Thanks, Earl
Hello all,
@Jason,
I already know about pulse width. Come on guys, Im working without a break.
When you change the pulse width you get bigger kicks.... I dont have to change my pulse width!!!
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Otto
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Hi Earl,
Check this out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg33222.html#msg33222
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hello all,
A very nice story recieved from our "Edison"of tpu's
> In a little country lives a little man. He is
> sattisfied with his life. A
> time ago he was surching for a challenge. One day he
> found what he wanted: a
> master gave the people the biggest present ever
> seen: a possibility to
> change their lives in a positive way: to save their
> planet and to use the
> universum as a source of infinite energy but there
> was a little problem: the
> master was not allowed to release all the
> informations! The people had to
> rediscover the masters secrets!!!
> For the little man it was clear that this was his
> biggest challenge but he
> was a good worker, able to work day and night. After
> a short time the little
> man saw that it was not enough. He was forced to
> think in a different way
> and so he did it.
> The little man from the little country was working
> every day and a lot of
> nights. Weeks, months. He was only working and
> thinking. He lost all his
> friends. His family thought he is crazy. The little
> man worked. He was
> ignored by the people. He didnt care about the
> people. He worked. He didnt
> have the time to see the winter, the summer..the
> time was passing,.he
> worked. He didnt rest. Not one day. He was soo
> tired. He was walkig like a
> ghost. He was deeply in his thoughts. He didnt have
> the time to eat, to
> sleep, he lived only for his work.
> One day God sayd to the little man: "I see you
> worked very hard. Here is
> your reward: I will show you the Garden of Eden but
> I want you share with
> other people what you see. Maybe there would be
> other people to follow you."
> " I will do so", answered the little man.
> God opened the Garden of Eden.
> The little man from the little country finally saw
> the garden of Eden. He
> was allowed to take the forbidden fruits. He took a
> few appels As he looked
> at the appels he saw that they are changing! They
> changed slowly into
> another fruit! "Heeey, whats going on", thought the
> little man and in this
> moment it happened: a veeery bright light!! WOW!!
> The little man was amazed!
>
> God asked the little man: "Do you enjoy it?" " Of
> course", was the only
> answer.
> God told the little man: " Only good workers and
> thinkerers are allowed to
> see the Garden of Eden.Only one man before you
> entered the Garden."
> He told the little man that he has to finish his
> work. The little man
> answered: "Dont worry, I will and can finish my
> work". God was sattisfied
> and so was the little man from the little country.
> And so the little man
> continues to work every day and lots of nights until
> he will finish his
> work.
Lindsay
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Nice.
Thanks, Lindsay
I'm not sure what it says. If the analogy is speaking of things you've already done, or if something new has transpired for you. Does this mean, that you as the little man have a new mission now, that you have "seen" or, been helped to achieve success?
If so, congratulations. Also, I sent you an email, please respond, even if it's negative.
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Ohgreat, another bulls*it post...
only it's not finished.
>The master was not allowed to release information, but he did realease some...
>The result was that other people who did have friends and did see the winter and summer passing by, became obsessed.
>The only diffrence was that they did not own the right toolbox, therefore they would never be able to see the garden of eden.
>it would have been better if the master took a look at the garden of eden and never spoke a word about it to the others....
>He simply had to keep it so he would not instantly destroy the lives of the other people who got attrackted by this garden and it's fruits.
>as a result the other people changed their lives in a fashion they would one day too see the garden of eden, loosing all ,the friends , the seeing of winter,summer,time, passing by ,eventually ending up with nothing because they did simply not own the right toolbox to open the gate....
>So here we are today,i have lost all of my friends,my family thinks i am crazy, i am working verry hard ,i do not see the summer,winter,time passing by,
>but no fruit at all.
Thanks for nothing.
it's a jigsaw without a picture on the front.
Turbo.
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Thank you for sharing this Lindsay,
But this helps us how??? ???
We need our Edison to let us know if we are on the right track. Does he still read the threads? Were there any comments that might help us?
Is this story a hint that the man from Macedonia is indeed producing power?? Small country, claims today to have more power out than in...Lindsay, a little help here would be wonderful...please.....
Bruce
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Hey Mannix, thanks man, I,ll start reproducing this right away ::)
BTW- the man from the country = Otto ?
I like carrots
Dirt
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Hey Mannix, thanks man, I,ll start reproducing this right away ::)
BTW- the man from the country = Otto ?
I like carrots
Dirt
Dirtman
Yes !!! I was a surely a carrot not an onion.
Take a break if you are getting frustrated....see what happens when you clear your head ....Give up if you want. Many wont. and there is no point unless we can all have this technology available.
Marco,
It is sad to hear from you ,what sounds like the count down to a dummy spit.
Lindsay
BTW Im not on the net much lately and really pressed when I am..sorry if my responses to are intermittent
lindsay
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Ohgreat, another bulls*it post...
only it's not finished.
>The master was not allowed to release information, but he did realease some...
>The only diffrence was that they did not own the right toolbox, therefore they would never be able to see the garden of eden.
Thanks for nothing.
it's a jigsaw without a picture on the front.
Turbo.
An interesting post from someone who a year ago berated me for saying essentially the same things in this thread (the posts are deleted now).
I guess you and I have now switched viewpoints.
Darren
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Hi Lindsay and Steven,
Great story! Sadly enough, I must say that the little man's life very closely mirrors mine! I have basically dedicated all of my free time to this project, I don't go out hardly anymore (except to the store and Church on Sundays). My room has officially been converted to a mad scientist laboratory with equipment and tons of stuff that I ripped out of dead TVs, computer power supplies and Monitors. Heck, I even had dreams about winding coils the last few days! I guess I'm officially a TPU Junky!!!
But you know what. That story has a lot of truth to it. Nothing ever comes easy. In order for you to succeed, you have to put in the necessary time and effort. I have exhausted countless nights researching and experimenting. I am actually a second year EE student but have had to put in HOURS of reading time just to catch up to the level of understanding that Steven has of circuits. I've read all about vacuum tubes, different types of circuit components and configurations, from blocking oscillators to filters to switching circuits.
But you know what? the one thing that has helped me the most is all the time I spent at the bench playing with stuff. I swear I have exploded just about every kind of component and shocked myself enough times to know better. I blew up three function generators and killed an oscilloscope. But you know what? I actually LEARNED how things behave and have seen many weird things that don't fit what we would expect to see; and you know what?? I believe that I understand the kick that Steven has talked about so many times. I believe that it will not be long before I get results. It was just that I had to go on the necessary learning curve to really understand and respect what we are dealing with. Steven is right, based on what I *think* I know about it now, it is definitely not a toy by far....
So yeah, countless nights without sleep, no life. it's all there... But it's worth it in the end :). Thank you Steven for what you have taught me.
God Bless,
Jason O
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@ Steven
Thank you for the continued clues. Perhaps we are close and you have chose to prod us on in hopes we will figure it out. So, here it goes:
The little man from the little country finally saw
> the garden of Eden. He
> was allowed to take the forbidden fruits. He took a
> few appels As he looked
> at the appels he saw that they are changing! They
> changed slowly into
> another fruit! "Heeey, whats going on", thought the
> little man and in this
> moment it happened: a veeery bright light!! WOW!!
> The little man was amazed!
SM is giving us a hint about what is happening to the electrons within the TPU. How does an electron change to produce light(very bright)? This is the answer we must seek. Electrons are to SM what apples would be to others! LOL :D
Could I be wrong? Of course, but alot more fun than figuring out who the old man is!
Thank you for your time, and SM, don't give up on us! ;)
Bruce
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I hope that people are not thinking that the story was from Steven,
Joe had it straight up!
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Well Lindsay...OF COURSE WE DID!!!
WHEN YOU SAY, "Hello all,
A very nice story recieved from our "Edison"of tpu's
Who else would we think it was from?????????????
Just say what you mean and mean what you say. I for one am very sick of riddles. This is too important to be playing double speak.
Can you say, "HACKED OFF!"
The story was from Otto. He is back from his spiritual retreat, which I admire. But on your post, why not just say "Otto". Type it, it is four letters.... "OTTO" see, easy!
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@btentzer .. so much for your "hint" from SM/Mannix .. it isnt a hint to anything .. seriously, u need to take a step back and take a breather, and stop thinking that everything mannix or SM say is somehow a clue to the TPU .. these guys arent super cia agents who talk in codes ok. No analogies or metaphor is going to help u .. only your own understanding of the electronics, intuition and experimentation will do u any good.
i agree with Jdo300 .. there is a learning curve .. BUT let me ask, do all of us who use TVs, laptops, cell phones, etc, understand the inner workings of those components??? .. simply not. we use them. i simply dont buy this bullsh1t about 'you have to understand in order to use' cr@p.
the USA govt is blocking all innovation and invention that can help humanity for the sake of military superiority.
devilzangel
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I hope that people are not thinking that the story was from Steven,
Joe had it straight up!
Instead of the quaint story why did you not just write.
"Heads up everyone. Otto appears to be making great progress and has some interesting results. Please take a look at xxxx thread.".....
Too easy huh.
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@ Mr. Mannix,
I have nothing against hearing good stories .. but this is neither the place nor the time to be sharing such. .. Why am i telling u that? .. I am sure you already knew this, otherwise your wouldn't have started this wonderful project in the first place.
if u insist on posting over 50 lines of stuff that doesn't help us understand the TPU, we are most probably going to just scroll through it without reading a single line. I read through it thinking there was something important in it, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it.
lets stop with this analogy and metaphor stuff .. use those ONLY when people dont understand the concept in scientific terms. Don't use them as the actual concept itself. .. again, i feel like you already knew this.
devilzangel
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:)
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to those who made the TPU vids, I would like to thankyou for making me aware
that such a thing as this TPU can be a reality.
Dirt
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:)
Yes, Marco, I find this extremely interesting. I will absorb this.
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:)
again .. thanks turbo for your research.
devilzangel
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Everyone will enjoy this if you have not seen it, especially Marcos and Otto.
Original
http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
Reprint
http://www.magneticenergy.org.uk/Mini%20Romag%20Generator/Mini%20Romag%20Generator.htm
Some interesting things that could also pertain to the TPU.
P.S. Did you know that 245 KHz is the frequency in the Ionesphere that AC joins itself to lightning?
P.S.S. Did you know that 35.705 KHZ is the frequency in the Ionesphere for the forming of the Polaris lights?
Hmmm....coincidence? I think not. No wonder it took them "years" to find the right frequencies. Perhaps we should use these, their harmonic and intermodulation.
Cheers,
Bruce ;)
Pics of my new coil tomorrow sometime on my thread!
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You think that's interesting (it is, very much so), check out how magnetic fields store energy on the sun in rotating plasma fields. Turns out, magnetic fields can be twisted up into a helix like a rubber band and store massive amounts of energy. When they finally release, you get a coronal ejection. A small one releases more energy than all the earth's nuclear arsenal. So perhaps the tpu just plays those "rubber bands" (earth's magnetic field lines) like a banjo, and taps the vibration.
Interesting eh?
Rich
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solar flare...
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Hello People!
In my opinion the SM devices (at least the smaller units) are just a modification of the Molina-Martinez patent.The outer coil is used to get the induction from the middle rotating controllers and redirecting the energy back to them,obtaining the self running.It's just an idea that I want to try....
Anyone here has a circuit of a three phase inverter?.Thank you..
Regards,
Pegasus
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^^^ CITE the numbers
devilzangel
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There are 2 types of tpus. The one that incorporates a mechanical means and one that is frequency driven. There are a number of mechanical ones that have the same inherent mechanism and that is magnetic field shearing. The frequency driven tpu uses very fast rise and fall times which the mechanical one can not even come close to. The mechanical method has numerous differing materials. The frequency driven tpu can be gotten with copper and iron like in the GK4. One can get dangerous results while mixing frequencies. This also produces magnetic field shearing across the 3 wound layers and is extremely economical to produce.
--giantkiller.
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Hello all,
@Mr.Mannix,
thank you a lot for posting my little story.
@To all,
dont you all see it???
Cant you see that youre all wasting your time???
Cant you see that in various labaratories the TPU is already successfull replicated???
Cant you see that my "final drawing" IS A REPLICATED TPU????
Cant you imagine that I did my homework???
What are you waiting for????
Didnt I give you everything???
You are not able to spend 30 minutes to make a replication???
No problem, I will it do for you!!!
The pricelist::
1 demo version of a 6" TPU 500 Euros
1 demo version of a 15" TPU 1000 Euros
Time to deliver: 15 days. ( I have a lot of work to do)
Thank you gentlemen for your time.
Regards
Otto
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Hello all,
@Mr.Mannix,
thank you a lot for posting my little story.
@To all,
dont you all see it???
Cant you see that youre all wasting your time???
Cant you see that in various labaratories the TPU is already successfull replicated???
Cant you see that my "final drawing" IS A REPLICATED TPU????
Cant you imagine that I did my homework???
What are you waiting for????
Didnt I give you everything???
You are not able to spend 30 minutes to make a replication???
No problem, I will it do for you!!!
The pricelist::
1 demo version of a 6" TPU 500 Euros
1 demo version of a 15" TPU 1000 Euros
Time to deliver: 15 days. ( I have a lot of work to do)
Thank you gentlemen for your time.
Regards
Otto
Well done! Which thread did you explain this all one ?
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Dear Otto,
How about you post color pictures and vids of your working TPU?
A working TPU = "a self running power unit" Your TPU unit MUST power itself...!!!!!
If you can prove that, then your first TPU order will be from me.
Regards,
~Dan
P.S.
Otto, you are now put into a very unique and scary category. Good Luck!
I hope you can produce, as your very reputation and good name is riding on this!
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Here you can read the entire patent:http://merlib.org/files/pgfed/PART64.pdf
Assume that the external coil is in parallel with one of the phases and the trick is done.
Regards,
Pegasus
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@Otto
Not sure whether you're serious or half-joking? I'm pretty sure, if you're willing to wind up a working TPU, your hard work will almost certainly be flooded with "orders".
I sure would like to buy a 6" working TPU, complete with schematics and build of materials. I don't even have any equipment at home to begin constructing a TPU, despite being an electronics engineers and software developer!
Regards
ChrisC
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Hello all,
@Mr.Mannix,
thank you a lot for posting my little story.
@To all,
dont you all see it???
Cant you see that youre all wasting your time???
Cant you see that in various labaratories the TPU is already successfull replicated???
Cant you see that my "final drawing" IS A REPLICATED TPU????
Cant you imagine that I did my homework???
What are you waiting for????
Didnt I give you everything???
You are not able to spend 30 minutes to make a replication???
No problem, I will it do for you!!!
The pricelist::
1 demo version of a 6" TPU 500 Euros
1 demo version of a 15" TPU 1000 Euros
Time to deliver: 15 days. ( I have a lot of work to do)
Thank you gentlemen for your time.
Regards
Otto
1000 Euro??
Wasn't that the The OverUnity Prize !
seems like we have a winner ;D
Take some rest dude.
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What an interesting outcome to this thread.
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@OTTO & all
So, is it time to start singing ....
" Old OTTO man has a TPU ..."
Ee i ee i o
And on his TPU he had some coils
Ee i ee i o
With a kick-kick here
And a kick-kick there
Here a kick, there a kick
Everywhere a kick-kick
Old OTTO man had a TPU
Ee i ee i o
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Hi Otto,
It is great to hear that you have a working TPU. As tempting as it would be to just pay 500 or 1000 euros for one, I'm more interested in the understanding of it; and to answer your question about why nobody is replicating it. All of the details for construction are all over the forums and not in one discrete place (I'm guessing that the majority of the details are on the German TPU thread).
Otto, I believe that if you could compile a pdf with information on the coil and circuit setup along with some build photos, that would make it MUCH easier for us all to replicate. I myself have been very interested in your work as you know I have done a replication of your 50-turn coil setup and gotten some interesting results from it. I would love to make this TPU you have perfected but it would be very difficult to do since I only have one of the early diagrams of it, and no information on how to construct and pulse it.
I don't think it would be asking too much for you to clearly document your results. It will help us all build accurate replications and save you the hassle of explaining the details over and over again to people.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Define "working"...
GK's ring "worked" great for causing eye pain and headaches - great for any masochist.
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Hello all,
@Jason,
my home is more and more growing to be a international house of science where the very big thinkerers are allowed to see the first time the creation of energy in a step by step way.
The waiting list to see this phenomen is growing every day.
But when the "big" guys see this, they will never forget what they saw.
This was for them soooo unexpected that they want to buy me a scope so I can proceed to work.
I can only say again:
It is a pleasure and honour to do this work.
Thank you, our master and Mr. Mannix.
PS: Im very glad to know now that Im not allone in my work.
Otto
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Hello all,
@Mr.Mannix,
thank you a lot for posting my little story.
@To all,
dont you all see it???
Cant you see that youre all wasting your time???
Cant you see that in various labaratories the TPU is already successfull replicated???
Cant you see that my "final drawing" IS A REPLICATED TPU????
Cant you imagine that I did my homework???
What are you waiting for????
Didnt I give you everything???
You are not able to spend 30 minutes to make a replication???
No problem, I will it do for you!!!
The pricelist::
1 demo version of a 6" TPU 500 Euros
1 demo version of a 15" TPU 1000 Euros
Time to deliver: 15 days. ( I have a lot of work to do)
Thank you gentlemen for your time.
Regards
Otto
1000 Euro??
Wasn't that the The OverUnity Prize !
seems like we have a winner ;D
Take some rest dude.
Good point marco.
@otto, why not just send one to Stefan, and he can test it, send you the prize money, and give a detailed report.
Regards,
Rich
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Hi Otto,
It is great to hear that you have a working TPU. As tempting as it would be to just pay 500 or 1000 euros for one, I'm more interested in the understanding of it; and to answer your question about why nobody is replicating it. All of the details for construction are all over the forums and not in one discrete place (I'm guessing that the majority of the details are on the German TPU thread).
Otto, I believe that if you could compile a pdf with information on the coil and circuit setup along with some build photos, that would make it MUCH easier for us all to replicate. I myself have been very interested in your work as you know I have done a replication of your 50-turn coil setup and gotten some interesting results from it. I would love you make this TPU you have perfected but it would be very difficult to do since I only have one of the early diagrams of it, and no information on how to construct and pulse it.
I don't think it would be asking too much for you to clearly document your results. It will help us all build accurate replications and save you the hassle of explaining the details over and over again to people.
God Bless,
Jason O
I agree with Jason, Otto. I have followed your work as closely as possible, but there are still many questions in my head about it. If you could collaborate with Grumpy, and put together a good document, I will definitely replicate.
My equipment is in boxes at the moment, but I will go to storage and pull it all out if there is a good set of build instructions.
Currently I'm doing Kame's magnet tuning coil experiment. (I kept one function generator out of the box)
Please, If I can help you in this, with english or whatever, let me know.
I'd be happy to help.
Rich
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Hello all,
my home is more and more growing to be a international house of science where the very big thinkerers are allowed to see the first time the creation of energy in a step by step way.
Otto
The creation of energy ??
That's really funny :)
A tpu does not "create" energy it converts energy.
Pherhaps you have discoverd something entirly new....
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@marco
I don't think Otto meant "creation". His first language is German but he sure knows what he is talking about AND he has been able achieve building a working (and reproducible) TPU!
He iS WALKING THE TALK! So, please stop nit-picking words!
chrisC
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Wow, I would rather be impressed than amused.
But amusement is fun too. This is better than TV.
Well back to the bench for me
IronHead
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Hello all,
@Jason,
my home is more and more growing to be a international house of science where the very big thinkerers are allowed to see the first time the creation of energy in a step by step way.
The waiting list to see this phenomen is growing every day.
But when the "big" guys see this, they will never forget what they saw.
This was for them soooo unexpected that they want to buy me a scope so I can proceed to work.
I can only say again:
It is a pleasure and honour to do this work.
Thank you, our master and Mr. Mannix.
PS: Im very glad to know now that Im not allone in my work.
Otto
Hi Otto,
It is great to see that you are making progress in leaps and bounds. I see that you are definitely an avid experimenter (and hence the sparse documentation ;D). I tend to jump back and forth between documentation/theory mode and bench test mode. Right now I am building a tube test stand to drive my latest TPU with. It will be all analog components, No ICs whatsoever. It will be a tube blocking oscillator almost exactly like the ones in the old GE TVs (see the attached photo).
I do know how annoying it can be to spend so much time experimenting and tweaking and then have to go back and take photos and data measurements. But it is absolutely necessary in order for us all to progress with the least confusion. If you would like, I would be more than happy to compile a PDF file for you with details for construction of your TPU. If you can send me and diagrams and photos you have, I'll format it so that everyone can see step by step how to get your results. That way, you won't have to bother with all the English writing.
God Bless,
Jason O
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I thought that Otto was being sarcastic - not that he has a working TPU.
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Hmm,
I wonder if Otto still means just a TPU that he still tests
on his power supply or a selfrunning TPU, that powers
itsself ?
Otto, do you want to win the OverUnity Prize ?
Send one over, but one without a PowerSupply ! ;) ;D
Regards, Stefan.
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Hmm,
I wonder if Otto still means just a TPU that he still tests
on his power supply or a selfrunning TPU, that powers
itsself ?
Otto, do you want to win the OverUnity Prize ?
Send one over, but one without a PowerSupply ! ;) ;D
Regards, Stefan.
Does the overunity prize set no power supply as a reqirement?
I thought it just had to be 50Watts more output that input?
Closing the loop is far more difficult than proving the concept.
If a unit ran on a small amount of input voltage but produced enough power to light 3 or 4 60w bulbs to full brightness, that is enough isn't it?
Also, I thought three had to be sent to independent testers, no?
Rich
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IMHO, i agree also .. Otto, if you could please provide a PDF document that successfully explains the creation of this device, and gives step by step instructions, w/ your personal commentary .. it would really help other serious R&D experts here to replicate your device and thus scientifically prove that you do have a working device.
Steven Greer (The Disclosure Project) tells us that there are black projects that have advanced technology beyond our wildest collective imaginations .. and i believe him.
devilzangel
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Hi Otto,
It is great to hear that you have a working TPU. As tempting as it would be to just pay 500 or 1000 euros for one, I'm more interested in the understanding of it; and to answer your question about why nobody is replicating it. All of the details for construction are all over the forums and not in one discrete place (I'm guessing that the majority of the details are on the German TPU thread).
Otto, I believe that if you could compile a pdf with information on the coil and circuit setup along with some build photos, that would make it MUCH easier for us all to replicate. I myself have been very interested in your work as you know I have done a replication of your 50-turn coil setup and gotten some interesting results from it. I would love you make this TPU you have perfected but it would be very difficult to do since I only have one of the early diagrams of it, and no information on how to construct and pulse it.
I don't think it would be asking too much for you to clearly document your results. It will help us all build accurate replications and save you the hassle of explaining the details over and over again to people.
God Bless,
Jason O
I agree with Jason, Otto. I have followed your work as closely as possible, but there are still many questions in my head about it. If you could collaborate with Grumpy, and put together a good document, I will definitely replicate.
My equipment is in boxes at the moment, but I will go to storage and pull it all out if there is a good set of build instructions.
Currently I'm doing Kame's magnet tuning coil experiment. (I kept one function generator out of the box)
Please, If I can help you in this, with english or whatever, let me know.
I'd be happy to help.
Rich
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Cant you see that youre all wasting your time???
Cant you see that in various labaratories the TPU is already successfull replicated???
Cant you see that my "final drawing" IS A REPLICATED TPU????
Cant you imagine that I did my homework???
What are you waiting for????
Didnt I give you everything???
Otto,
Please do not take this wrong, as I have a lot of respect for your efforts, but your last post, in English, was on May 23rd and here is what it said:
<quote>
Hello all,
@Chris,
I dont know if you saw the video with a 15" TPU. There is a laaaarge heatsink or 2? This heatsink(s) are or is made from aluminium. And not to forget, this heatsink is oval in form to NOT to disturb, to say so, the rotating tornado as I call it.
Now if we compare the motor at the other topic with our TPUs.....
I always thought as Im better in understanding and with better results I would NOT have so much to work on my TPU but I was wrong. Now I have a million ideas what to try, how to make my coils.....
A lot of work is waiting.
Otto
<end quote>
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.msg32298.html#msg32298
This post sounded like you were still experimenting. Do you have new findings or did you go back to your "final drawing2" design? Details would be appreciated.
Thanks, Otto,
Kent
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Hello all,
It will be documented.
Otto
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@Otto
Yipee! We look forward to your new documentation!
ChrisC
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Me and my tubes will be standing by :)
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Hello all,
@Jason,
I wery well know that youre "my guy".
But I have to warn you: when you see the kicks more and more "transforming", converting into sine waves think about that youre tapping into a sea of energy, into infinite energy.
I know, that you know what I mean.
For the others:
Read what Tom Bearden says and think about.
It seems that the people today are not soooo clever as they think. This technology was a looooong time before discovered. Think what Tesla did, Hendershot, Hubbard, Coler......yes, this really big peoples. And we????
Now we finally have the chance!!!!!
My garage is more and more the garage of science, people are coming to see whats going on.....In this moment I dont want to say who was 1 week with me and who will come but they are well known here. I dont want that you attac them. Attac me.
Maybe some of you guys with the scopes and a profi oscillator want to have a TPU and find finally 30 minutes in your lifes to built it and see what only 3 people in the history saw: the CREATION of energy!!!! This 3 people are: 1. our master, 2. me 3. my guest.
Yes, gentlemen, Im speaking of the process of CREATION!!!!
The process of the CONVERSION in this case is ALSO the process of CREATION!!!!!
Remember, once, our master asked if the people would intelectuale be able to understand and build.
Sorry to say but I see only a few of you are maybe able to understand.
Dont think Im now better than you. No way. Im one of you. Im still a little man from a little country.
But please understand that I want to SHARE with you. Please be open minded. Dont even think about what you learned.
Look at the German topic at my final drawing. Dont ask, just look. Dont surch for a logic.
Google mobius band or strip, google a double mobius. See whats going on in this mobius. Imagine what my mobius is for.
Look at my fast controls.
Fast controls in this sence that my controls are speeding up my tormado or should I call my tornado a vortex???
Look finally at the video of the "big guy" - 15" TPU. You see a "heatsink".
Look at the open TPU - the black rings. What are the black rings for?? To hold the wires??
If I hear this then I will get a heart attac!!! This rings are ALUMINIUM RINGS!!!!
For what?
Think about what happens when you heat up a wire and you measure the voltages.
Think about what happens when you heat the aluminium.
Im speaking about a temperature of over 100?C!!
I exactly know your next question. I DONT WANT TO ANSWER!!!!!!
I want to force you to built it. My God, only a few minutes.
@Kent
we all know there are several patents used to control the TPU. What do you think Im doing?? You cant imagine how difficult it is to control a sea of energy.
At my 1 "success" I burned my scope..... my next scope is arriving. I dont want to burn this second scope too.
@Stefan,
yes, I really need money so I can inwest the money in my work but not the overunity price!!!
As I remember, you are also building coils, experimenting......
It would be muuuuch better if YOU could have a few minutes and do this:
make 1 control coil with the known meters for the primary and secondary.
cut 2 lamp wires at the needed lenghts.
Connect like in my final drawing.
Connect a load of a 60W bulb.
Connect a scope at the bulb
Connect 3 oscillators.
Connect a 12V supply.
Mix the frequencies and ENJOY!!!!!
Complicated??? This is the reason why I think I dont deserve the price.
I have to figure out how to control my reaction. This is soooooo a powerfull device you cant imagine.
Not once I burned my fingers. Yes, s..t happens.
You all saw the arcs of a 15" TPU in the video.
Guys, that arcs had a power of many kilowatts. The 10 bulbs was only used to show the people that power is in this TPU. Just this.
But do you really think a 15" TPU can deliver only 1kW??? I can only say HA;HA!
Just think about to tune the frequency a few Hz nearer to the "success point" - you have a loooooot more energy output.
Then think about to be more crazy and tune just again a few Hertz to the "success point". What happens?
You have again more energy output.
I dont want to continue.
Maybe now you see what present gave us our master.
Please, dont wast your time with discussions, start finally to built.
No emails, please, they will be in the same moment deleted!!!
When you see me logged then you can expect my answer because Im on vaccation 10 days.
Otto
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@Otto
Wow! I never doubted your results when you published your coils & schematics. I will study the mobius construction and yes, Erfinder also used Aluminium in his wheel structure.
Have a well deserved vacation!
ChrisC
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@ Otto,
have a good time. 8)
Still waiting for mine ;)
regards,
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But I have to warn you: when you see the kicks more and more "transforming", converting into sine waves think about that youre tapping into a sea of energy, into infinite energy.
I know, that you know what I mean.
Otto,
Yes I now know exacty what you mean.... I was about ready to slap myself after you said "converting into sine waves"!! I have already done a verry simpe expeiment MONTHs ago that proved EXACTLY what you are talking about! But at the time I didn't realize it!
In this simple test, I took a spool of 14 gauge stranded house wire about 50ft in length, and I attached the positive lead from a function generator on one end, and the scope probe on the other end. Both ground cables were left disconnected from the spool VERY important!!
Next I just set the output of the function generator to the square wave output (50% duty cycle, 0 DC offset), and I gradually swept through the frequency range from about 500 kHz up to 5 MHz. What I saw was simply amazing!! the small square waves I was putting in (20V pk/pk) multiplied up to 160V when I hit the resonant frequency of the coil! AND the output was sinusoidal!
I KNOW now that what I witnessed was eccess energy output because the reason the sine wave was so large was from harmonics showing up on the leading and trailing edges of the square waves. These harmonics did NOT appear when the coil was grounded. Now I know why SM used three frequencies in the TPU. IF you don't have a function generator that can ho up into the MHz, it's easy to simply input three frequencies in the kHz that are phase shifted closely (or harmonically shifted) so that the effective frequency is up in the MHz to tap the collector into resonance. You're right Otto, this is stupid simple.....
Now as for the rest of us. You all should try my simple coil test. It is sooo elementary you can just grab any spool off the shelf (with 50 ft or more of wire, longer wire = lower resonant frequency), connect a function generator to it, and pulse away! Also, it just so happens that I made a video of this demonstration so you all can see what Otto and I are both talking about.... There is serious voltage multiplication when the "kicks" combine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEYlmsMmyw
For those of you who haven't see my research on the 'kick' check out the following posts on the Lord of the Rings Thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32506.html#msg32506
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg33222.html#msg33222
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32895.html#msg32895
God Bless,
Jason O
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Awesome video Jason. Can you verify that this is what you are seeing Otto?
Jason, again, very nice video, and very well explained. Should be easy for anyone else to do.
Regards,
Rich
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Hi Jason,
Nice video.
Correct me if I am wrong. You want to say that the energy creation/conversion occurs at the moment when there is a sharp change in conditions, such as voltage. That energy conversion process is the actual ?ringing? (in our case). In other words, a sharp change creates fluctuations of energy, which, otherwise, is static and cannot be used. When a sharp change creates energy fluctuation it can be extracted/used as a useful power. The sharp change in voltage doesn?t require (almost) any energy spent.
Is this what was in front of everybody?s nose???
Kames.
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Hi Jason,
good to hear you again. About you simple test It seems to me that you are just extracting the fundamental resonating frequency of your coil....that of course is a sinusoidal wave. Remember that a square wave is always composed by the the sum of all possible harmonics.....or am I wrong?
Anyway hope to hear you on Skype.
Ciao
Roberto
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Hello all,
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Hello all,
finally. Since yesterday Im trying to post this picture.
You see in this picture on the top are our known kickis. The lower are the almost converted kicks. Yes, not good converted or to say its hard to see that this signals are the almost sinuswaves.
When you reach this point your equipment is in danger. The pumping of the power supply is not big but clearly to see.
Od course, this is a 2 channels picture.
Otto
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Where are the scope measurements taken at?
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Hi Jason,
good to hear you again. About you simple test It seems to me that you are just extracting the fundamental resonating frequency of your coil....that of course is a sinusoidal wave. Remember that a square wave is always composed by the the sum of all possible harmonics.....or am I wrong?
Anyway hope to hear you on Skype.
Ciao
Roberto
Hi Roberto,
Going by the book you are 100% right. However, a lot of things depend on from which prospective one looks at it.
For example, when changing duty and frequency the high frequency harmonics amplitude for a given frequency should vary substantially. If what we see in the Jason?s video doesn?t change much the amplitude of that sine wave, the things are somewhat different than just a level of harmonics in the base signal.
Kames.
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Hello Jason,
Blocking youtube here. can not see your vedio.
Pls post your pic or movie files, if possible.
Thank you.
nong,
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In this simple test, I took a spool of 14 gauge stranded house wire about 50ft in length, and I attached the positive lead from a function generator on one end, and the scope probe on the other end. Both ground cables were left disconnected from the spool VERY important!!
Next I just set the output of the function generator to the square wave output (50% duty cycle, 0 DC offset), and I gradually swept through the frequency range from about 500 kHz up to 5 MHz. What I saw was simply amazing!! the small square waves I was putting in (20V pk/pk) multiplied up to 160V when I hit the resonant frequency of the coil! AND the output was sinusoidal!
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jason,
I'd like to ask you something about this test you've done based on the following statement from SM when he is talking about kicks:
We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it.
So my question is, instead of doing your test with a spool of wire, have you tried the same thing on a straight piece of wire. Maybe if you unwind the spool (and lay it aropund the room :) )
Because SM speaks about a straight piece of wire, one would expect to see the same thing then. It would proof once and for all if these are the kicks he means. As a side effect you're also proofing it is not the coil itself that is somehow producing the kicks (harmonics or whatever it is).
Looking forward to your reply!
Robert
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I can help out here. This test is the same we do at work tho just a shorter wire. It measures the time it takes for the signal to reach the end of the test wire and back to the beginning. Our test calculates the trace size and thickness, here it is related to the size of the wire. Still the same. A coil will have impedence at a certain frequency where a straight wire will not. The specific test would need to be done to the actual coil or wire in its end state to be exact to what you need.
The coil here simply shows just how much higher the pent up voltage rises at a certain frequency. When you have the wire to the "exact" frequency length, you will have no bunch up. Get that off just a bit and you have a mess running around in the wire. Back that off to one quarter of the frequency and I think you would have the worst case situation. That being when the full negative side of the wave hits a spot, it also runs into the reflection at 180 degrees out of phase (jason help me out here). Playing with this on a piece of graph paper.
Next a coil of wire to see.
sugra
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Hello Everyone,
Thanks for all the great feedback on my post. I will definitely respond to all your comments within a day or so. I have been playing catchup for the last day or so and haven't had the opportunity to sit down and catch up on everything.
God Bless,
Jason O
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:)
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Dude! that is amazing!!!
Thats probably one of those exploding ones too.
is it from 1960 ?:)
That yoke looks very suspicious. ;D
Okay the tube is gone no big deal just fire it up and put a compass on top and start to rotate that TV.
when it starts to vibrate look out!
very nice thanks men :)
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If there is a radiation shield in front of the tube, save it.
Get it mirrored and produce over 2000 degrees from the sun for free!
Or tell your friends you have part of a UFO that produces hazardous radiation.
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Hi Guys,
I started drawing and kept going from one idea to the next. Maybe this will stimulate some more ideas.
Regards, Earl
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joe, you had a build in progress a short while ago of otto's diagram.
how did that turn out, have you had a chance to do much testing?
Regards,
Rich
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Reading Stephan MARINOV's explantion of the MAGVID and it's effects and I notice similarities with the TPU. I brought this up a long time ago.
In the MAGVID, the rotating magnetic field creates a "magnetic vortex" which will literally pull in electrons like a vacuum cleaner. Massive energy was creted just from the velocity of the rotating field. Marinov also incorporated a static DC field perpendicular to the rotating field to trap and control the incoming electrons.
Some of the effects were "time dilation (accelleration)" - why accelerate the particle when you can accelerate it's environment?
A sheet of charge is created above the MAGVID and anything in it is heated electrically - like Otto's AL plate.
Marinov cranked his vortex at 30 MHZ.
Reading all this again - it correlates nicely to SM's comments on hypersonic flight.
When I first read about this I did not have two freq generators, but I do now...
Here is my 4meg Marinov file:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1675.msg21311.html#msg21311
Animation of rotating field of 4 coil, two phase MAGVID:
(EDIT: Hey, is that magnetic reconnection?)
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:)
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@MANNIX
heheh .. i totally forgot about this thread Mannix .. sorry for posting to u in the ECD thread ..
in reference to:
By using tenacity and fortitude..just like Otto.
By reading everything and being patient.
Building it and seeking the Seed described will be essential to your understanding ..or confusion.
Thats what I am doing easy to start....hard to stop,but
this is not a race! a bit like an assignment where nobody but a bunch of looneys on the net believe in you HA!
Its better than football and hopefully, nobody gets hurt.
As to the question. We are beyond analysing video now but I do not have the answer to your 4 coil question. and yes,I have asked it..
This thread is for ECD replication..
Lindsay
thanks for asking .. please do let us know what SM answers.
i would disagree about the "beyond analy[z]ing video" part .. the fact that NONE of us has yet build one like it goes to the argument of how important those videos are. .. ONCE someone else builds a fully self-sustained prototype like SM, then we can archive the SM videos (maybe).
the thing is .. 6 months from now, if i view those videos again, i will notice something else that i didn't notice today.
for example .. i didn't hear anybody say anything about 4 coils .. so i assumed it was 3 coils (from everything i read) ... then i view the videos in detail and i find FOUR vertical coils .. i was surprised (how was this detail missed?).. 3 vs 4 coils .. big difference. ..
i could be mistaken though, obviously it could just be some taping that LOOKS like another coil .. so the video could be misleading .. but it is worth atleast questioning about it to make sure .. i am 90% sure there are 4 coils on the bottom ring though.
again, thanks for passing the question along to SM, waiting for the answer, "patiently" ;)
devilzangel
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yes devilzangel
there is 4 coils on bottom and 4 feedback coils wraped around all 3 cores. read page 1 post #2 by gk on lords of the rings http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.0.html
wer
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^^ thanks mate!!! .. I dont know if GK experimented to find out the 4 controls and 4 feedbacks helps .. or if he got that from looking at the videos.
not sure about 4 horizontal coils .. but the 15" TPU cross cut shows 2 hozirontal wires in the top section, and possibly 2 more horizontal flat wires in the bottom part of that 15" ring.
if that is the case, then the black open TPU must have those, 2 in each black ring. though the interesting part is that the controls are only on the bottom ring.
I dont know why 3 control coils is being used instead of 4 control coils in the recent otto ECD development.
devilzangel
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4 and 3.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg36590.html#msg36590
--giantkiller. Things are all over the place.
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Here it is : Turboresearch Volume 3 :)
next chapter is going to be about the out of phase transformers.
Marco.
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Good work Marco, very good work.
canceling flux, rings, blocking oscillators, magnetic field of the earth, :) It's all there isn't it.
EM
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Many thanks Marco, I added this to the sticky topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2383.new.html#new
If anybody want to have his PDF file or ZIP file archive added there,
please email me.
Many thanks.
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Good work Marco, very good work.
canceling flux, rings, blocking oscillators, magnetic field of the earth, :) It's all there isn't it.
EM
Hi EM :)
I was wondering which type of transistor you used in the awesome solar charger squeeling blocking oscillator video from last week.
if you could tell me which type it was i can build two of those and my goal is to set them up in a circulair buck boost magnetometer fashion where they are triggerd due to each other and the distance between the coils will represent the resonant frequency.
Thanks.
Marco
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I'm not sure marco, because the writing is erased on it, or I can't see it (maybe I'm going blind :)
I would say use something like NTE2343. Lot's of transistors should do the job.
EM
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Okay :) thanks.
i will take a grasp into the scrap box to see if there's anything which will do the job.
Marco.
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I just rewatched all the videos, and I noticed something.
The magnet that he uses to "stimulate" the larger and the smaller units, IS SHIELDED ON BOTH SIDES, by the iron laminations.ÂÂ
There is no field outside of it, or very little, so whether the small toroids have iron in them or not can't quite be determined.ÂÂ
I brought a small magnet close to bailing wire, and it has quite some attraction, so I don't know, hard to tell.
EM
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Here it is : Turboresearch Volume 3 :)
next chapter is going to be about the out of phase transformers.
Marco.
Thanks man, an excellent document, the circuit config you have in there is similiar
to this one. So I,m going to reconfigure and try out the one in the pdf...
Dirt
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http://scitation.aip.org/phf/gallery/2003-lorenz.jsp
Wonder what would happen with a diamagnetic material...
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hi all :)
i am going to re install my computer and when i backed up i found some screenshots.
so i will post them maybe anybody sees anything suspicious in them :)
Marco.
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:)
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some more , notice Steven always "energizes" the coils with a big magnet placing first north side to the left of the device and then placing south side to the right side.
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Any body from Sweden?
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I Haven't seen any mention here of the patent with Steve Marks' name on it. I don't know it is helpful but it may give insight into how he stumbled into the TPU concept. Check out 6015476.
Tinker
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I Haven't seen any mention here of the patent with Steve Marks' name on it. I don't know it is helpful but it may give insight into how he stumbled into the TPU concept. Check out 6015476.
Tinker
Hi Tinker.
Yeah, we've discussed that one (and others) about a million times. As close as the name and device look, it's not Steven Mark's Patent.
Darren
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@ All,
Attached you will find a FAQ that I put together regarding Steven Mark's TPU.
It is primarily aimed at newbies, but hopefully all can benefit from it.
I encourage all TPU researchers to have a read. It was given some serious time and effort, in the hopes that it will aid in the TPU quest.
Thanks go out to the gentlemen listed therein, and also thank you to Lindsay for looking it over as well.
Regards,
Darren
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I suggest that this along with all reference, and research materials that have come out be placed in the thread that Stefan created for beginners.
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Hey Darren
A great document, would have saved me a lot of time when I started out.
Keep up the great work, when I think about the times some of those questions have been asked and had to be put straight, especially the Steven Mark patent confusion.
Look forward to your up and coming Power measurement document, as you know I have had trouble proving OU. ;)
Peter
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Hey Darren
A great document, would have saved me a lot of time when I started out.
Keep up the great work, when I think about the times some of those questions have been asked and had to be put straight, especially the Steven Mark patent confusion.
Look forward to your up and coming Power measurement document, as you know I have had trouble proving OU. ;)
Peter
Thank you Peter. :D
Seldom is feedback given (esp. positive), but it certainly is appreciated when it is.
A little goes a long way.
Regards,
Darren
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@Darren
Excellent!
I too, wish it was spelled out so clearly before I started opening my mouth. Had I known so many have already spent so much time on this, my "new" ideas wouldn't be posted in the forum.
Re: your measurement doc - I had the 'apparently self charging capacitor' thing going last night. We all know it happens. What I found out was the 'charge' was coming as DVM leakage current. I let it go to max and found the voltage equaled the voltage of my DVM battery. Any load applied at all and it won't charge. Remove the meter leads and the charge stops ;D
I suspect many here already knew how that works - but just to be on the safe side.
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Thank you BEP.
I too wish I would have had this FAQ available when I got started with my TPU research!
Regarding the odd "capacitor charging effect", this certainly may explain what a few people have been observing here latlely.
Thanks for that heads-up ;)
Regards,
Darren
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Yes, I have also seen an odd capacitor charging, when I had tried
earlier some other capacitor experiments and had a grounded
scope connected.
Somehow through some leakage currents the cap charged up,
when the scope head was connected...
but it just came from the scope only, so no free energy here..
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:) :) :) :) :) :)
Here's my latest coil, it took me alot of hard work to build it...
M.
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:) :) :) :) :) :)
Here's my latest coil, it took me alot of hard work to build it...
M.
Nice coil, dude!
I see notched pvc under that too! No?
You sly fox!
--giantkiller.
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:) :) :) :) :) :)
Here's my latest coil, it took me alot of hard work to build it...
M.
Nice coil, dude!
I see notched pvc under that too! No?
You sly fox!
--giantkiller.
no :)
no notched pvc this time :)
this coil is diffrent from what we have been seeing,
it has many short pieces of wire perpendiculair to the collector.
it also has controls run in multiple segments all the way around and the collector is like a band.
it pickes up the hose and squeezes it too :)
it took me a long time to wrap it and i hope it does show some magic soon.
Marco.
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WOW. It looks so much better than my coil, mine has the center collector mis shapen and it was wired pretty hariy...ooo boy. Anything from the coil yet?
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no :)
i'm still collecting parts for the drive circuit aswellas working on other projects too.
M.
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Lumpy, bumpy. :D
What you got there under the hood of that roadster?
--giantkiller.
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many wires around wires :)
all the way around in multiple segments.
over here it's weekend so that means Experimenting :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
M.
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Could we please,
*Stop opening 5 new threads a day this is becomming verry hard to follow..
*Stop the locked topics? , i do not have much time to read the threads and now i even have to wait untill someone opens up his thread if i want to reply..
@Mannix,
i see you found the blocking oscillator.
offcource i have tried that thing manny times, even with three of them in a push pull fashion.
the magnets simply cause a change in core saturation.
But i was thinking you were playing with tubes ???
Now i realize most of us did not made much progress at all.
Like Tao, he did a nice writeup but his words sounded the same as one year ago and there is so many more we know which i did not find in his end game thread.
This is the main thread and this thread i will follow as i do not have the time to read all threads and i get lost in them too.
Marco.
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:) here is the layout for my latest experiment.
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What does the EMF tracer do in your circuit?
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it traces the emf ::)
Basicly it senses what happens at what coil and what should happen if something happens at a coil.
And then if it senses it should happen it signals the flux correction to make it happen etc.
so easy said it follows which coil is active. ;D
M.
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@Marco,
Did you notice in your set ups that the polarity effect of the external magnetic field is exactly like all the points that you have made regarding the polarity of the magnets that were used in the videos
How did you account for the polarity effect?
sorry if I missed something did you see this effect?
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Yes Mannix, the saturation of the core is diffrent in one way then it is in the other,and this is due to the external magnetic influence of the field that is already present from the earth or in a tpu generated by the coils around.
this is the basic operating principle of a magnetometer.
you saturate in two directions and then you demodulate so the only resulting output is that external magnetic field.
As you might know you need 3 of them to measure the complete external field.
M.
PS. i believe theze "center torroids" are bifilar wond coils.
i have also experimented with these having 4 coils.
and offcourse last week with the transformers in the video.
needles to say the center torroids in the tpu could be air cored which does not saturate ,so then we have a diffrent situation.
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Since this is the main thread:
Has anyone consider using a von der Pol oscillator for the third pulse (frequency?)?
It isn't useful if you want to stomp the neighbor's stereo but it might be needed to have a continuous effect.
Once the little critters are organized they probably won't stay that way unless they have the proper beat to make then stay organized.
This would follow many posted lab reports for generation of power by magnitudes and should meet the Sm description of 'variable tuning'.
I did a search and didn't see it.
If useful then it should probably be referenced off of the second frequency.
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I've had some time to work on my Tpu it's a modafied version of Ott's set up and now crossing back over to the SM type windings. If you notice in the photo the coaxl cable is inside the aluminum tube, this was quite diffacult to do with all the support plexi holding evrything in place. now the pain stakeing part of winding the coils , 3 each on , the rings. I will be testing with a cascade circut and then a duel transformer circut, and a sequential 5 to 10 hrz timer circut. what I'm looking for is takeing the secondaries and and sequence them in order and see the results of the test and speed it up useing 2 frequencies. I've read so much now i'll try it and see what the out come will be. It may not be over unity but I'm sure that i will be able to create a higher output on the finals. The small test I have done gave good results so i'll take the best of the winding and put them to work on this unit. Yes Dr Mark S. is correct neatness counts so i'm takeing my time in the winding of the primarys and secondaries. hahahaha @BEP I need one of those Vander Pol occilators , might help in the rolling boom boxes going up and down the street , ;D If there are any suggestion , -much apprciated . Mike
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It's looking great, Mike!
Keep us posted!
Warm regards,
Bruce
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I have a feeling that this device is the real deal, call it healthy optimism.
What boggles me though is why a seemingly intelligent person like Mark, knowing about the billion dollar oil interests and how they can cover-up competition since they "have the world governments in their pockets", sells the invention to some lawyer instead of giving the technology to the masses before it was buried by the greedy oil bastards. Ten years ago, the internet wasn't what it is today. But NOW he could do it. Why not share it with as many people as possible. There's power in numbers. It's bad enough that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank with no reserves and that the big bankers have been stealing our money through the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on a nation called Income Tax, which btw is unconstitutional. But now we can't even have this? Just lowers his cred me thinks, especially when he brings God and mission into the picture. But hey, I don't have anything to lose by hoping. Good luck Steven and God Speed to ya.
-Margie
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@Mike,
wonderful approach!
WELL DONE
I tried it several time but never succeed due to mechanical problems! I wonder if you would be so nice to explain us how you formed the Al rings and slided into the coax (without braid I understand').
Please let me know about your progress.
I used flat CCs around Al annular rings to take advantage of the two sides wings (particles speed increase) and got interesting results (4 Seeds instead of one ..with only one coil/1 freq applied). It will be useful to make when possible a comparison with your design as in your case all the particles will be trapped inside the Al hoose and...accelerated.
Roberto
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@ Ronotte this was difficult at first then found the aluminum rings in the bath section at Home depot they are bath towle holders :) the coaxl is rgb58 and it does have the brade and insulatin with core. It's a very tight fit and just a lot of pacients pushing it through the tube. the hardest part is getting everything alinged so as not to pinch the coax and keeping everything tight. you might want to assit me in the winding next that would be apprciated. After the coax is threaded then I bolted it down last to help in the structure , now it's ridged.  thank you Mike     Tolerence is everything so in the ring everything is uniform to size and shape.
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I have a feeling that this device is the real deal, call it healthy optimism.
What boggles me though is why a seemingly intelligent person like Mark, knowing about the billion dollar oil interests and how they can cover-up competition since they "have the world governments in their pockets", sells the invention to some lawyer instead of giving the technology to the masses before it was buried by the greedy oil bastards. Ten years ago, the internet wasn't what it is today. But NOW he could do it. Why not share it with as many people as possible. There's power in numbers. It's bad enough that the Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank with no reserves and that the big bankers have been stealing our money through the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on a nation called Income Tax, which btw is unconstitutional. But now we can't even have this? Just lowers his cred me thinks, especially when he brings God and mission into the picture. But hey, I don't have anything to lose by hoping. Good luck Steven and God Speed to ya.
-Margie
1996 was prior to the tech wreck. There were people vieing to get their retirements pumped up from the failed oil debacles of late 80s. Technology was still the panacea of the new age. This was the age of fat money and once again no boundaries. I was offered alot of money for what I do and refused. Other people's money. The question that I have always had and has not been addressed in any manner is: If you were involved in this or saw this then what would you be doing now? Who are all those other people in the videos? Do you think those people just upt and died?
--giantkiller. What is truely under the covers and at stake here?
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Gerogr toborie died at the age of 93 in berlin i beleve great play wright and insprantionist
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Hi Mike,
for CC winding there are actually two philosphies:
1 - From Otto which says that bobbined type is easier & gives better results. well I tested the bobbin way and found good results as per Otto's indications. ATTENTION: the bobbin MUST be wing shaped as per his dranwings!.
2 - From others which say that flat type is better as the coil is for this case 'like a transmission line' (if I remember well) and in this way there is more 'collector covering'. I say also that if you are planning to implement a rot mag field then the flat kind is almost mandatory as you must cover all the collector (in other words the 3 or 4 needed coils must be set one near the other).
At the moment I'm experimenting with flat coils...but for the moment I can say that I don't see better operations!.
Roberto
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Hello All,
I just thought I would pop up for a bit to give you some new (and hopefully helpful) information to assist you in your TPU experiments. I've written an article titled "Phase Relationships and Harmonics in the
Steven Mark Toroidal Power Unit" which will help us to understand how short pulses, out of phase transformers, and harmonics all contribute to the effects exhibited by the TPU. This document is by no means complete or the authoritative explanation but it is based on some recent experiments I have performed. Comments welcome :).
God Bless,
Jason O
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@Jason,
Thanks.
This reminds me of emegency power plant problems. When paralleling two or more 3 phase generators to a bus the neutral connections were always a major concern. As long as the generators were matched (same sine shape and 1/4 wave width) there was only a concern of matching voltage and phase. As long as those two were good little neutral current would flow - unless the load was unbalanced.
When two different name-brand sets were working together sine shape and 1/4 wave width was so much a concern that sometimes the neutral link had to be disconnected to prevent cross current. Cross current detracted from the load handling performance. This was usually because during manufacture the stator windings were not wound at the same pitch.
As for harmonics: I used to perform Mil standard 705B and C testing of power plants. Harmonic value recording was one of many tests. For a 60Hz system you would expect the second to be 120 and the third to be 180. They were not. The second was usually around 108 and the third about 195. There were components at 120 and 180 but were very small compared to the others.
On systems that had unusually high voltage harmonics the voltage between neutral and ground could easily exceed 200VDC with a heavy AC component. This would be on a 3 phase 480/277 WYE 60Hz generator. A generator with these results would have failed the military standard testing and be rejected.
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Hi BEP,
Thanks for sharing that info with me! One thing I'm wondering is if an increase in neutral currents reflects as increased draw from the three-phase source? Or are the neutral currents basically *free" because of the harmonics? Also you mention that they were DC with a heavy AC component? That is interesting, getting DC from three-phase AC...
The fact that the harmonics are not mathematically consistent reminds me of the musical scale, which doesn't follow the mathematical logarithmic progression of harmonics. According to this source here: http://redwood.berkeley.edu/bruno/psc129/handouts/logs-and-music/logs-and-music.html to get the frequency of a note that is one-half step higher, you multiply the first note's frequency by 1.06. I think that we need to take the musical scale into account when determining the harmonics we want to use and your example is proof of that.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi all,
Well I am rapidly running out of time -- I'll be in the US for most of next month. For those of you who think I do mostly theory and graphics I gathered up some of the coils I have lying around and took a couple of photos... sorry no photographs of the really interesting coils ;)
The elaborate coils in the benchtop collection are 1 and 3 phase counter wound coils.
cheers
Mark S.
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Your title should be "Super Coil Winder" Those are some neat and impressive coils there!
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mark you sure do nice work but when will the real coils arise?
i have an impressive stack as well but right now none of them work :(
but with a little luck that will change
is
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well i'm not that impressed, most of the coils i see are relative thick wire ,not many turns and those are easy and fast to wrap.
when we start using verry fine wire and many turns things start to take time and care.
i have build many coils myself and i almost never use thick wire because of low impedance issues.
M.
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That little stack of four toroids - decreasing in diameter - like a cone - is impressive.
I think Mark is just showing that he experiments with a variety of coils.
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Some Thoughts on SM's words.
See attached.
God Bless,
Tim.
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tubes eh!!
tim nice wrie up but
i think a circuit that runs on its self is required ;) using tubes and starts with a small small charge from a magnet
in some of the videos you see sm move the mag a tiny bit in 2 places why?
well to turn on the osclators and buld up the power each side 1 is the + and 1 is the - he flips the magnets right all we have to do to activate the tpu is pinch the tube by that i mean send a pluse of oppsit polarity to the tube 1 for each tube 1 + and 1 - from there i think the osclator will add to its self until runaway or if the proper cutoffs are installed it will quit climbing at the right level for the cutoffs
is
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One thing I'm wondering is if an increase in neutral currents reflects as increased draw from the three-phase source? Or are the neutral currents basically *free" because of the harmonics? Also you mention that they were DC with a heavy AC component? That is interesting, getting DC from three-phase AC...
Neutral current would indicate an unbalanced load or unmatched generators. You would have the same on a single phase system say.. 120/240 or 220/380. If loads on both sides were even and the same reactance there would be little or no neutral current. I never equated neutral current to harmonics. I'm not sure that would be a reason for neutral current.
As far as DC on neutral it would only happen on extreme cases where the wave shapes were very different. In effect it seemed to relocate zero with respect from one generator to another. The DC was never stable but the change was slow enough to see on an analog meter.
The fact that the harmonics are not mathematically consistent reminds me of the musical scale, which doesn't follow the mathematical logarithmic progression of harmonics. According to this source here: http://redwood.berkeley.edu/bruno/psc129/handouts/logs-and-music/logs-and-music.html to get the frequency of a note that is one-half step higher, you multiply the first note's frequency by 1.06. I think that we need to take the musical scale into account when determining the harmonics we want to use and your example is proof of that.
I'm not much into music but I believe notes are not simplex frequencies but combinations of simplex frequencies. I have been able to create a tritone with two frequencies and the amplitude is always greate than the sum of the two. This is reproducable on the java web applets also.
Harmonics and the other results of combinations never appear to be as simple as one thinks. I know you must consider the propagation speed when determining where a harmonic will appear. Speed can change with physical transmition media or field density. This is much less a problem when working with radio communications and becomes extremely important below VLF.
So the 1.06 figure is probably not usable when dealing with EMF. I suspect it will be higher but less than 2 between the fundamental and first harmonic. The number I usually use below VLF with longitudinal waves is 1.28. Hertzian would be about 1.85.
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@ IS
The TPU that SM starts with a magnet is an SS unit! You will never be able to start a tube TPU with small magnets swiped across a coil! For a start you need to generate enough power to heat up the heaters as well as generate enough potential difference to draw the electrons to the anode of the tube. This just is not going to happen. I suggest if you are really going down the tube route that you read up on the theory of opperation first. Watch out tube circuits contain lethal voltages.
God bless,
Tim.
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at tim
a question you know this because you tryed it?????
i dont think you have so how could you ever say that???
and just 1 more thing
all sm's rings that you see in the videos are ss!!!!
unless you think you have seen a tube model some where
i think that you should start ro read some old books to understand how tubes work
ist
here is a link read the books http://triodetubes.com/content/view/5/6/
i think between here at ou and this site all that is required to build many diffrent styles of tpu's is here
so i think if you all want a working tpu then start reading
this thing wont build its self but im sure it can almost run on its self if it totaly ran on its own out put then i dont think it could be controlled properly
it must have a battery so we can control it!! i just think ss has been a big waste of time the real truth seekers will start where we have been told to start!!!
study tubes and how they work!! then find 1 of the regenerative osc circuits that uses only low voltage to start to operate and just 1 pluse or 1 pinch to to produce extra current the pluse could come from a small permenant mag being swiped past coil that is all that is needed to start some of the tube oscolators and next look for an osc that only requires a 6v or a 12 v heater to be warmed to start operation of osc so then well
just read the darn books !!!!!
is
IN THE BEGINING STEVEN MARKS SAID LET THERE BE LIGHT ........................... AND THERE WAS LIGHT.........
IN THE BEGINING STEVEN STARTED WITH TUBES
NEAR THE END --------IST------------ SAYS ~~~~~~~TUBE TIME YET??~~~~~~~
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@IS
tubes eh!!
tim nice wrie up but
i think a circuit that runs on its self is required ;) using tubes and starts with a small small charge from a magnet
in some of the videos you see sm move the mag a tiny bit in 2 places why?
well to turn on the osclators and buld up the power each side 1 is the + and 1 is the - he flips the magnets right all we have to do to activate the tpu is pinch the tube by that i mean send a pluse of oppsit polarity to the tube 1 for each tube 1 + and 1 - from there i think the osclator will add to its self until runaway or if the proper cutoffs are installed it will quit climbing at the right level for the cutoffs
is
You think that it's possible to self power a tube circuit just be flicking a magnet against the TPU? What about the 300ma heater current per tube? and the delay while the tubes warm up. What about say 150 Volts minimum HT. And all from two small magnets and no batteries. I suggest before you try, you had better see if you can meet the minimum supply requirements for the heaters and HT first using only a couple of magnets.
good luck.
Regards,
Tim.
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you see ,that is exactly what i mean.
the guy just doesn't get it.
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haha, still not shuttin up I see.
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i find it funny that you all think there are no batteryies involved in the tpu there are batteries in it there has to be
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Hi I have made a quick page on Wikipedia on Steven Mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression#Steven_Mark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression#Steven_Mark)
Feel free to edit.
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@IS
tubes eh!!
tim nice wrie up but
i think a circuit that runs on its self is required ;) using tubes and starts with a small small charge from a magnet
in some of the videos you see sm move the mag a tiny bit in 2 places why?
well to turn on the osclators and buld up the power each side 1 is the + and 1 is the - he flips the magnets right all we have to do to activate the tpu is pinch the tube by that i mean send a pluse of oppsit polarity to the tube 1 for each tube 1 + and 1 - from there i think the osclator will add to its self until runaway or if the proper cutoffs are installed it will quit climbing at the right level for the cutoffs
is
You think that it's possible to self power a tube circuit just be flicking a magnet against the TPU? What about the 300ma heater current per tube? and the delay while the tubes warm up. What about say 150 Volts minimum HT. And all from two small magnets and no batteries. I suggest before you try, you had better see if you can meet the minimum supply requirements for the heaters and HT first using only a couple of magnets.
good luck.
Regards,
Tim.
Tim,
of course you are right!
Steven used tubes in the discovery process and has suggested,many times that they are easier, especially to begin with..he also says that they are faster....this has caused some debate for good reasons...BUT .. untill a lot of people are prepared to use the information provided rather than make up something new...(like all of us here have done at sometime andcontinue to do so) we will not have used the information that we have been given properly.
The reason that you are being jumped on is that most people have read the beginings of this which is 2 years ago now...
The number of people who are using tubes is VERY low...
It is not because of what you say about the magnet swipe but i supose it might as well be for all the good it does..
Lindsay
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btw i said a regeneration osc circuit the heaters are powerd by a dc battery the osc starts from a mag swipe it starts its osolation from the low voltage pluse created from the mag
but you know what you all figure it out
this is what i thought i would try
do as you think i just thought i would share my thoughts it is way to quiet around here also why feed from some one else i feed from no one
if you all wanted a tpu maybe you should have started with tubes
its not my fault nobody is working with tubes maybe some of you elete guys should!!!!!
is
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I see a new status tag here
I wonder what it takes to be a TPU-elite member?
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Haha I think the only person qualified for that group would be Steven Mark. He's the only one with a working TPU, after all :)
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It seems that most if not all folks here believe that Steven used two frequencies in one of the larger TPU's...True?
Well, IMO that is not a correct assumption. In the video SM says "first frequency...now the second" yes, but is that really what he meant?
No. Stick to what he has said in his material.
Number one clue is we know that he used at least 3 frequencies.
Number two clue is we know that he used different frequencies with each collector in the higher power units.
So what then does it all mean?
I already know the answer; will anyone here think about it and tell?
Let's see.
Darren
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@Z.E,P mmmm well this is a true statement : when you transmit a signal there has to be a recive signal , ok transmit 22kx then the recive window is 144 meg mm get the drift ,, dosen't matter what you transmitt it at as long as you use a multplyer in the recive end with out AGC mmmm what evr that is dahh ,,,Theres an answer in the answer
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It seems that most if not all folks here believe that Steven used two frequencies in one of the larger TPU's...True?
Well, IMO that is not a correct assumption. In the video SM says "first frequency...now the second" yes, but is that really what he meant?
No. Stick to what he has said in his material.
Number one clue is we know that he used at least 3 frequencies.
Number two clue is we know that he used different frequencies with each collector in the higher power units.
So what then does it all mean?
I already know the answer; will anyone here think about it and tell?
Let's see.
Darren
Ok darren !
My little toy at the moment uses one freq to energise the field ring before i introduce the other one or 2 ...which use that energy for their own fields...
its a mess really, but interesting
a way to go here ...
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it's not hard to see there are two switches,
the first one he toggles twice and this he calls the primary frequency.
the second one he toggels once and this he calls the second frequency.
now what would that mean?
M.
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I'll not muck things up more than needed so here is a link to info posted elsewhere that may be of use to this thread.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2788.0.html
Yes, I'm using tubes. Probably not the right ones yet but I'll play it by ear.
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Oh, Yes.
Starting heater current for a tube? Some tubes will conduct before the heater warms up. Not many. The ones that come to mind were the 'Acorn' series. They were'nt much bigger than a power transistor, rated for UHF/VHF and were almost 'instant on'. Some larger glass types would also do the same but I believe some were gas filled and others had a special coating on the cathode.
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The verry first glow :)
the 5u4gb was spitting out a riddicilous 893 Volts...
and i wanted to tickle it some more but i decided not to because of the cheap screwdrivers i use, they might flash thrue the insulation when reaching the 1Kv range.
It's real power here and i know i need to be carefull.
tomorrow i will disconnect the heater and put it on another transformer in which i can vary the frequency.
well actually i can vary the frequency of both transformers but this one is stabilized at 50 Hertz.
then i am going to switch in the full wave silicon rectifier circuit and the real hunt for the kicks and the interaction between the transformers will begin :)
i just have to see the verry intresting things Steven mentiones,with my own eyes...
Marco.
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Did a bit of looking around and see that this tube has a max of 550v per plate rms. You may well be driving this tube wayyyyyyy past its range of useability. Any purple haze inside or the plates getting red??? That will shorten the life of the tube drasticly.
May I suggest you check out www.pmillett.com and d/l an old ARRL hand book and look in the schematics to find the very circuit you are using. It will give you a safe setup for the use of the tube. Vintage 1959 is a great one to look at. Cheers and good hunting as tubes are still the backbone of audio far as I care. Nothing like them.
thaelin
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it's not hard to see there are two switches,
the first one he toggles twice and this he calls the primary frequency.
the second one he toggels once and this he calls the second frequency.
now what would that mean?
M.
i thing that he is starting the osc with the first flick a serge then he turns on the frist freq wich is a beat freq and second freq is another beat freq but of inverted wave and opsite dirrection so 2 beat freq humm probaly the same combo of freqs or a verry slight diffrence between them if the 2 beat freqs were the same or verry close to the same then you could use just 1 tube oscolator to generate the 2 beat freqs
is
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the transformer was ripped out of a jukebox and the tube foot was still on the wires ,it was rated 220VAC so i drove it with that and i do not know why it gave that high voltage but the specs were as if it was in it's origional state....
also its a dual rectifier so i guess that stands for two plates meaning two times 550 volt which is certainly within the limit.
M.
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Hi all,
there is a thread called Tubes that should will get interesting if people participate physically.
But for the others including, but not limited to the invisible "TPU elite"
I was out the back paddock the other day and I had a conversation with my horse..I asked him what he thought about the current state of things .this is what I think he said, as i remember it.
Remember that I said, 'We probably would never have developed the TPU without tubes". If all we had to work with was solid state devices then we most likely would have failed"...
This does not mean that you can not use solid state devices it just goes to say that tubes made it a great deal easer for the development.
We did manage to design and develop solid state control devices and we learned several tricks in order to be able to do so.
I really don't see how it would be any easier to develop a TPU today using solid state devices then it was thirty years ago... However, I read where people seem to be proving my statements and measuring strange unexplainable peaks of power greater then the sum of input. I fear however that they will spend a great deal more time perfecting the TPU for ultimate operation then would have been necessary back in the days we developed it originally. However, an engineer who worked on the project with me mentioned that I should just leave them alone because they might just discover an entirely new method of generating power that is not as involved as the basic TPU system we developed.
Perhaps he will prove to be right...
At that point the horse stopped speaking, but What would a horse know anyway?
good hunting, whatever your methods
Lindsay Mannix
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I wish my horse could talk.
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;D
lindsay im glad to hear the horse still talks cuz with out talking horses where would we be and.... without dreamers where would we be ?
please all do expect the most of me cuz i will come through tubes are the way to understand the tpu i will play with real power but i must be sure all is well first must understand tubes b4 i play with them and im in the process of learning as we all are
dont think i just run my mouth cuz i will show other wise but in the right time when i feel im ready to play with fire cuz it is fire you know and i dont wanna get burned do you ?
must learn all i can first to be safe
is
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Didn't that 6BQ7-A of yours have a six point three volt heater? ::)
I would love to play with that but unfortunatly i don't have any....
oh well guess i will have to go with what i got :)
M.
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@ all tubes are labled this way for a reason the KISS method 6 is the heater voltage , or it could be 9, 4 , 12 - BQ is the type of tube ( bias saturation plate type ) 7 is the glass envelope or enclosuer when metal is used it may be followed by an M . Heath kit made a super hetrodine 5 tube radio as a kit this tube in it is a good cannadate for this operation. it's not the 6QB7 tube you'll have to look it up it is simular. Oh by the way that horse wasn't Mr ED by any chance harhar. Oh by the way drop the voltage 1 volt on the heater it only stays on for a few seconds anyway and when the tube hits the right temp the filliment in the tube opens to stop the heater from working as the tube is running under it preformed task. The little white stuff is the barrium that is put in there to get rid of any moisture that may be present at time of manufactureing , this flashes and leaves the film and dose not mean the tube is bad. Mike ;)
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marco it is as i know a 6.3v heater thankyou mike for the break down of the tube #ing
from some of the circuits i found in the old books say only the heater is to be powered then a flick of a switch or a wave of a mag to start osc
is
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@ Inovation It's been a while sence I've played around with Tubes , There not hard to understand it's when you get in to the 60's and 70's hybred transistor stuff that gets tricky I would look at how AGC circuts work with tubes that gets intresting. In the music scales Fa is a funny resonant to play with if you have a tone generator or keyboard , hammond B6 was my fravorite.
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This is my last bit-o inspired thinking with this thing, after this, I got nutten, might
as well play a game of pool in the dark.
Three frequencies, try to make these correspond with Red,Blue, and green, reason
for this is 3 lasers, each a different color, can be combined through a prism and
create white light. I seen this experiment done in an issue of scientific american
magazine, I can,t find it on the net but this link is a good example:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/light/U12L2d.html
also a link to demonstrate that the magnets used in the video,s may not be for reed
switches only:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TwRnR2rMs0&NR=1
Dirt
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This is my last bit-o inspired thinking with this thing, after this, I got nutten, might
as well play a game of pool in the dark.
Three frequencies, try to make these correspond with Red,Blue, and green, reason
for this is 3 lasers, each a different color, can be combined through a prism and
create white light. I seen this experiment done in an issue of scientific american
magazine, I can,t find it on the net but this link is a good example:
Now your talking lasers, being in the Laser show industry for 10+ years.. and have access to very very high energy "White" lasers.. and we don't use prisms to combine.. we use dicro filters to combine colors (Reflect one wavelength pass another).. or actually use RF to difract the different wavelengths to pick off each color as a ION white light laser has as many as 6 usable wavelength coming from one tube known as a Poly-Chromatic Acousto Optical Modulator (PCAOM).
To increase the output power, Large Lasers use large magnets around the tube to "Pinch" the plasma to concentrate the excited plasma. The next step up from that is to exaust the hot gases and use fresh cold gases to get a magnitude of more power out "Flow Gas" not used in color lasers much, mostly IR CO2 lasers to put out 1000's of watts.
Fun things with High energy lasers, for example... when scanning a image (Vector) at around 20-30 frames a second.. if you walk thru the beam, paper or metal in your pocket will vibrate enough that you can easily hear it (20-30 Watt laser or more).
Two things that cross over that might be helpful
#1 I've heard in these thread of people wanting to use a sound card to generate the signal... Sound Cards are AC coupled you need a DC coupled signal so your have a signal that doesn't drift.
#2 In the Laser Show Industry we make "Abstracts" http://dabble.com/node/14522830 (http://dabble.com/node/14522830) X-Y Representations of 1-3 oscillators Y Signal usually the COS of the SIN (Inverted X Signal) same thing can be done on your scope.. put it in XY mode, invert Y input.. you got a circle with no input signal.. pump your multi-freq signal in.. makes it alot easier to see complex waveforms... you can see things like rotations of the combined waveforms.. colapsing of the waveforms.. doesn't cost anything to try if you have a 2-channel scope already
Here is a guy that convered a 8 channel turtle beach sound card to DC coupled and output to scanners http://www.akrobiz.com/laserboy/ (http://www.akrobiz.com/laserboy/) I sold him the laser projector years ago.. good guy electronic and speaker/audio tinkerer
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So it would seem the TPU discussions here have gone "underground".
So be it. I'm content helping out right here. ;)
Darren
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Pherhaps it's time for us to dissapear too ;) ;D
I have seen it before, it happens all the time.
Besides i don't need these guy's either.
M.
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:P
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look! now they are only posting smiley's :)
Hurry up guy's!!!
I am building a second unit to send it over to Stefan ;D $$$$
M.
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this "situation"need not be divisive,
Bruce said that he formed his elite group with a selected few so that it would not wreck this forum...personally I believe that his actions may have a negative effect and are unlikely to be an advantage when it comes to sharing information. people will feel put out and i expect that it will go quiet here.
of course Stefan knows this too.
I imagine the process of "selection" with some humor and wonder why the one indirect source would not be included....this is not personal. but a good part of a spy thriller...
people contact each other directly a lot any way.
However a well focused group with a disciplined approach and a commitment to produce exactly the same thing is exactly what would benifet this process..that trouble is that most people will not invest enough to achieve those goals and will only put in the time that they have....eventually it becomes pear shaped.
the tragedy here is that Bob has some excellent ideas that are not getting the attention or exposure that they otherwise would.
My situation is similar in one way so i do speak from experience here..to go underground will not work...Sure there are other groups but everything important is here ....this is the valuable asset.
I wish the invisible group the best of success but the help that they recieve from others outside the group may be tainted by what may be seen as being secretive.
just do the best with the information that you have....have i ever mentioned tubes? steven said something about them ...but we are smarter that that ay??
somebody once said here that we should learn about unity...before overunity
perhaps that is our first lesson
Lindsay Mannix
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If "they" are working on Bob's device, then it's better that be done in a separate thread anyway.
Don't worry about this thread Lindsay, I have a feeling it's soon going to get interesting around here ;)
Darren
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well as long as i am around i will be here all of my work is here so to all the eleite the best of luck i was intrested in your group but at the time you asked me to join i was a verry busy siding guy the big job has since finished and i now have more time to work on this but i am me and i work on what i choose and i "play" and i invision things b4 they are built that is how discoveries are made!!!
IST will remain public and opensource for life!!!!!! i will not sell out
:o i do this and share all of my work to try and help this crazy world!!!!!
well you all
just incase everyone does not know it all the peices are here and all spelled out for us the people that leave have compleated there rings they "graduate from tpu school "
this site is ment to teach it is "THE GAME"
the same game i figured almost all out last time but b4 i had my tools so now i am relearning
there are alreday many many working rings out there
but agin it is the "GAME"
play the game ;)
cya turbo dont make me bring you back agin ;) i personaly thought you cracked it a long time ago but i guess you did not
oh 1 more think i think this site should grow more {and it will } to cover up the real tpu's just a wee bit more cuz if you realy look hard at the right info you will find what you seek
but i seek more ;D ;D ;D seek and ye shall find!!!
i am simple and i want the simplest form of tpu no i have no working ring but i will soon im hoping
THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN THE TPU HERE YOU ALL KNOW THIS IS THE INTRODUCTION TO A OVERUNITY RADIENT ENGERY SOURCE THE LIFE WORK OF STEVEN MARKS AND TESLA AND MANY OTHERS NOW IT IS AND HAS BEEN PUBLIC FOR A LONG TIME
soooo get'er done as others say
isteam!!
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@ grumpy there no hard felings im not trying to be in the group i want to work with my ideas and thoughts and see what hapins ;) who knows what one might discover my way is to look and discover i am an inventor who has not made it big yet but in time i may
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Everyone in the group that you are referring to is working on Bob's version. Others are welcome to participate by contacting Bruce (Btentzer). The only requirement is that you act civilized, and build it. It is not some secret society or anything like that, just "separated" so that the effort stays on target.
By the way, isn't -[marco]- in that group?
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@ marco why dont you work on the gift i gave you it is your idea i just put it togather for you send it to stephen too
get the money
this is way beond money i have no money NOW i am poor and i dont plan on making any from the TPU i want to save money with the use of the tpu and teach people about the tpu when i graduate this school ;)
hey do as you wish but the DANCEING MAGNET GENERATOR may just change your way of life ;)
see what i mean about the descoveries along the way of understanding the tpu
ist
i have done no more with that project i left it. it is not my work alone but then agin rareley are things acomplished alone!!!
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Hello Everyone,
Just thought I would post some updates on my experiments and research. I have what I believe to be a whopper to share with you that may precisely explain the underlying mechanism behind the TPU; more specifically, the effects of extremely fast rotating magnetic fields. To my knowledge, no one here has really done any in-depth research into that area so I have been doing some investigations and have discovered some alarming facts about it. I will be working on a PDF document that explains all my findings and will post it as soon as I can.
On another note. I want everyone to know that though I am one of the "TPU Elite group" members, I am by no means working solely on Bob Boyce's TPU. I am actually doing a LOT of work offline on my own and I want to share with you what I have so far. I have focused my attention on experiments involving high-speed rotating magnetic fields at resonance. I have also FINALLY given in and decided to develop some tube hardware to run tests with. For the last couple of days, I have been building a universal tube test stand that will allow me to try out different tube circuits (from amplifiers to sine wave and blocking oscillators). Steven told us to start there so thats what I am now doing.
Below, I have attached some photos of my newest creation. It is a tube power supply that furnishes 262 VDC for the tubes as well as 6.3VAC and 12.6VAC outputs for tube heaters. I'm designing the power supply as a separate unit so that I can build various tube circuits and simply connect them to the supply to play with.
My next step is to construct a three-channel tube amplifier that I can drive with my function generators to feed in the frequencies. For my tests I am using single 6AU6 pentodes but can also use other tubes if needed.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Nice box Jason,
Where did you put the fuses?
- I can't seem to be able to spot them. (A transformer THAT big ;D can do pretty nasty things when shorted) ???
On a different note, Bedini seems to think the key to radiant energy lies in PWM - I'm still making up my mind :-\
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@jason it makes me happy to see you have switched to tubes to find the answers may you have the best of luck i dont think it will take you verry long to compleat this project using tubes ;)
ist
edit: just a thought after reading the below
what hapins beond the speed of light hummmmmm
time travel of course
i think the tpu is just the verry bengining to the end!!!!
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Hi Jason
What about this for a start?
If an EM field is somehow rotated extremely fast, shouldn't all matter be repelled from its center? -kgo.
How fast do you want it rotated? It's fairly simple to construct a system to produce rotating EM waves at whatever rotational velocity you wish by feeding a pair of broadside dipole arrays with quatrature phased waves. It is quite simple to construct a system that would have a rotational velocity of C within the uniform field area. It might also be fairly easy to do this with a Hemholtz coil arangement as well, but the broadside array will be much easier to do at easily engineerable frequencies. Some really interesting paradoxes come about when the rotational frequency is high enough so that the rotational velocity exceeds C within the uniform field area of the arrays or within the hemholtz coils.
Robert Shannon
What effect would there be at the boundry where the rotational velocity reached, and then exceeded the speed of light? How could the magnetic field even propogate to the center of the antenna structure if it would have to move faster than light to reach that space? If hemholtz coils were used instead of loops, the magnetic field strength would be uniform inside the structure, how could the field strenght be uniform if there is not sufficient time for the field to propogate through the space inside the structure itself? Could such an effect actually generate a wormhole like phenomena, at energy levels far below that of neutron stars and such? As the causal mechanism, the magnetic field, is in roation, would this describe a traversable worm hole as has been postulated in relationship to rotating black holes?
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I have focused my attention on experiments involving high-speed rotating magnetic fields at resonance.
Might try rotating the "potential" rather than the field. It is the potential that creates the field in the first place.
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is the rotation not set up by the way it is wound and wired that is what i thought give it a pluse and it spins give it 2 pluses oppsite and it cancles the flux give it 2 freqs that smash togather in the wire and it makes the 3rd no?
is
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Nice box Jason,
Where did you put the fuses?
- I can't seem to be able to spot them. (A transformer THAT big ;D can do pretty nasty things when shorted) ???
On a different note, Bedini seems to think the key to radiant energy lies in PWM - I'm still making up my mind :-\
Definitely got that covered, If you look at the photo of the back of the power supply, there is a fuse holder on the left next to where the power cord goes in. I have a 0.5A fuse in it at the moment but I may upgrade to a 1A later if needed.
As for PWM. I'm not sure about that. I never really bothered to look into it but if you think about it, PWM is actually the square wave form of a beat frequency, which when spaced 7.8 Hz apart *may* produce some interesting effects. Not sure though, I haven't really played with that much.
God Bless,
Jason O
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@jason it makes me happy to see you have switched to tubes to find the answers may you have the best of luck i dont think it will take you verry long to compleat this project using tubes ;)
ist
edit: just a thought after reading the below
what hapins beond the speed of light hummmmmm
time travel of course
i think the tpu is just the verry bengining to the end!!!!
Hey IS,
Thanks. I know I'll have fun with this as I have never played with a tube before. I still have yet to fire one up (still have to make the tube circuit yet).
God Bless,
Jason O
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Hi Jason
What about this for a start?
If an EM field is somehow rotated extremely fast, shouldn't all matter be repelled from its center? -kgo.
How fast do you want it rotated? It's fairly simple to construct a system to produce rotating EM waves at whatever rotational velocity you wish by feeding a pair of broadside dipole arrays with quatrature phased waves. It is quite simple to construct a system that would have a rotational velocity of C within the uniform field area. It might also be fairly easy to do this with a Hemholtz coil arangement as well, but the broadside array will be much easier to do at easily engineerable frequencies. Some really interesting paradoxes come about when the rotational frequency is high enough so that the rotational velocity exceeds C within the uniform field area of the arrays or within the hemholtz coils.
Robert Shannon
What effect would there be at the boundry where the rotational velocity reached, and then exceeded the speed of light? How could the magnetic field even propogate to the center of the antenna structure if it would have to move faster than light to reach that space? If hemholtz coils were used instead of loops, the magnetic field strength would be uniform inside the structure, how could the field strenght be uniform if there is not sufficient time for the field to propogate through the space inside the structure itself? Could such an effect actually generate a wormhole like phenomena, at energy levels far below that of neutron stars and such? As the causal mechanism, the magnetic field, is in rotation, would this describe a traversable worm hole as has been postulated in relationship to rotating black holes?
Hey Dutchy,
That guy is right about the field. One of the many things that I have heard about over and over again are time dilation effects! And there is NOTHING ODD about this at all! It's all simple relativity. Whenever something moves that darn fast, it is going to bend space. The beauty of this is that we can take advantage of this and use it to make a potential difference in the space around the coil that we can tap energy from (like a black hole really on the basic level).
God Bless,
Jason O
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I have focused my attention on experiments involving high-speed rotating magnetic fields at resonance.
Might try rotating the "potential" rather than the field. It is the potential that creates the field in the first place.
Hi Grumpy,
Thanks for the tip. I always had a gut feeling that was the way to go. This would work out quite nicely if I can come up with a one-wire tube circuit for driving the coils. Then I can create a rotating electric field and see what happens. (also adding an electric orthogonal bias).
God Bless,
Jason O
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Nice box Jason,
Where did you put the fuses?
Definitely got that covered, If you look at the photo of the back of the power supply, there is a fuse holder on the left next to where the power cord goes in. I have a 0.5A fuse in it at the moment but I may upgrade to a 1A later if needed.
I notised the fuse on the primary side, but not on the secondary side.
When you turn on the transformer the inductive load might blow the fuse if it's too small (or fast blow), but I'm sure you know that ;)
But even with a primary 0.5A fuse you can still draw amps (a lot!) on the secondary side before the primary side fuse blows. (Even with a 110V supply it's over 50W - something I wouldn't want to mess with)
I won't tell you how to wire it, just let you know my practical experiences :D
Good luck on the tube project!
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By the way, isn't -[marco]- in that group?
Stefan gave me access to this group, i never asked for it..
i think it's a stupid idea alswell as i think Bruce is stupid too but i guess you all figured that out already ;)
Marco.
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marco do we need to beat each other with rude remarks ?? are you a man or still a boy??
this thing can not be that dificult to make happin
this was suspoto be a team effort now all i see is people getting rude
perhaps the rude will never finish this project this was a gift from sm he did not have to let this out but we need it and he knows it we as in the world so maybe i add confusioin maybe i help to achive our goal maybe i dont but i DO NOT GET RUDE TO OTHERS ON THIS FOURM!!!! WELL USUALY NEWAYS ;)
PS MARCO /TURBO IF YOU DONT LIKE MY CLUTTER THAN DONT WASTE YOUR TIME READING IT :P
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By the way, isn't -[marco]- in that group?
Stefan gave me access to this group, i never asked for it..
i think it's a stupid idea alswell as i think Bruce is stupid too but i guess you all figured that out already ;)
Marco.
No more stupid than saying that someone used batteries in their TPU, or using batteries to fake a TPU, or leaving a forum because you are accused of faking results, or starting another forum because you don't like this one, or any damn thing else anyone does.
Bruce started the separate effort after Bob expressed the desire to be more private about his work - what is stupid about this? Would you rather Bob send cryptic messages through a single person? Would that be more suiting?
After over a year of cryptic crap and squabbling no one has "openly" re-created a working TPU, yet Bob comes along and offers to help and the group following his lead is stupid and secretive. Well, I don't see anyone else offering to show how their device works. I know of a few working replications and not a single one is being shared here. No, I do not know why - I assume they have their reasons.
What is "stupid" is ignoring what is right in front of you.
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Gosh I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up. I don't really care about it, just commented about it because I noticed many people stopped posting.
It's not a big deal guys!!!
If some folks want to work on things privately, that's ok, let them.
If you have been made a member of this private group withour your consent, ask to be removed, or don't bother with that thread.
It's business as usual for the rest of us here. Relax and just keep doing what you are doing.
So let's keep going...shall we?
Regards,
Darren
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It's not a big deal guys!!!
That's all it boils down to - no big deal.
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Gosh I'm sorry I brought the whole thing up. I don't really care about it, just commented about it because I noticed many people stopped posting.
It's not a big deal guys!!!
If some folks want to work on things privately, that's ok, let them.
If you have been made a member of this private group withour your consent, ask to be removed, or don't bother with that thread.
It's business as usual for the rest of us here. Relax and just keep doing what you are doing.
So let's keep going...shall we?
Regards,
Darren
Truth be know Darren, all is quiet everywhere, because many people are away on vacation or experimenting. That is why all is quiet.
Warm regards,
Bruce
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well all
im still here and will remain and i will post my expariments still so it is back to the bench for me so i can show all of you how well this square coil produces rf flames magnetic feilds and lots of kicks making the vid right now i was really impressed when i hooked up this simple coil to 12 and a neo i think it performed verry well
is
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wrong thread ;D
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G Day everyone,
Just a big thankyou to all that have shared there findings on this forum, i have been following numerous threads and gaining insight. Exciting stuff!
i will be starting experimentation and posting my results asap.
Cheers ;)
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Hello helper,
welcome on board and on this hard job.
Otto
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Yep I second that, welcome aboard helper.
btw otto I am getting some interesting things using Caduceus coils on a true mobious loop, it may amount to nothing but I will post my findings should it amount to anything significant.
So far I have got a 9.2 Mhz resonance of the coil from a 17Khz square wave source directly from my function generator. So I am tweaking it to see if I can get that 5Mhz sweet spot scalar wave. It may amount to nothing, but then again this may be possible. If so then potentially it would only require one low voltage square wave source to get the multiple side band harmonics as well as the 5mhz carrier.
I have not tried this design before so there are a lot of unknown factors. Although interestingly the scope probe only has to be within about 10cm of the device to pick up the square wave and spikes. No physical connection is required when using Caduceus coils. (which is something I have to be very careful of) Obviously with only two sections of 20 cross over Caduceus coils the output at the moment is only about 300 millivolt (with mobius loop isolated from source signal) however I did notice that if you phase the square wave that either the upper or lower become dominate it is easy to flip the output +/- in this setup (the same seems to apply to lesser degree in standard coils) Which creates another interesting scenario. If the square wave is phased in this way at say 50 or 60 hz would it still be possible to generate an output? If so it will be directly AC. Without the need for an inverter.
Interestingly with a perfect balance on the Caduceus coils of the peak and trench square waves. On the power output of the function generator there is no load power from the collector loop, but as soon as I make on more dominant than the other, power starts to flow. If you have this on the scope you can actually see two of the peaks swap places around the a central peak
May amount to nothing, but was interesting to watch.
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Hello all,
@13thHouR
If you have an idea then build a coil, test it, post your results......
Even the craziest idea can be a good idea!!!!
When I see that my power supply is starting to pump I also disconnect my scope and do the same as you: my scope probe is NEAR the coils but NOT connected. In this way I hope to safe my scope,ha,ha. My Tectronix is still waiting to be repaired.
Otto
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@13thHouR
By posting the details of your setup now you will get the benefit of experiences of many. In this work, every little helps. On the plus side you may bring some new insight to the table.
AM
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Hi Everyone,
@Helper,
Glad to have you on board with the project, the more hands working on this, the faster we will get results :).
@Everyone,
I am currently working on a sophisticated control circuit (finally) based on a microcontroller and the AD9959 DDS chip This thing is awesome, check out the datasheet here:
http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Data_Sheets/210775240AD9959_0.pdf
Now I'm trying to figure out how to make the part of the control unit that will monitor the voltage output from the collector coil. My thought is to setup an automated test setup that can sweep through various frequencies and record the voltage output. I would take the output from the collector coil, rectify it, and store that in a large capacitor with a resister on it. And then measure across the resistor to get the integrated voltage value.
Ideally, I would like to see if I can find an IC like a digital volt meter that could directly measure across the resistor and convert that into a binary value that my microcontroller can read (just like an A/D converter). The only difference is that this should be able to handle voltages up to 1000V just like a regular DVM. If anyone knows of any ICs that may be able to do this, that would be great.
The control circuit I am designing will drive the tube stage that I have been working on to find the three frequencies of conversion for my TPU.
God Bless,
Jason O
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Jason,
I would suggest a good RMS-DC converter chip, followed by a "dual-slope integrating A/D converter" chip that can interface to your processor.
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Hi ZPE,
Thanks for the tips. I'm looking around to see what is available now. Would you happen to know of any good ICs out there that would work for the voltage range I need?
God Bless,
Jason O
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Jason,
You're not likely to find any OTS chips that will handle anything higher than 10V or so, but that's no problem. In fact the way it is done is to use an attenuator stage, similar to how regular voltmeters work.
Build your own attenuator network, and if you are not too concerned about high precision, using 5% resistors will do the job.
If you want to measure the collector coil's power output as you sweep through your frequencies etc., then I would suggest you connect the coil output to a fairly heavy load of known value and of pure resistance (i.e. non-inductive). This way the output voltage is not likely to be very high in amplitude, and no attenuators or high voltage measurement necessary. All that you need do now is measure the voltage across this known load with a good RMS-DC converter, and with the known load resistance, you can calculate output power on the fly.
Or were you wanting to do something else?
Darren
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I've created a simple simulation of moving fields generated by a 2 phase system.
It's something basic which is happening in AC motors, linear accelerators, etc..
Notice in the animation the RED and BLUE waves are STATIONARY (x-axis is distance), and the GREEN wave which is the summation of the two waves is MOVING !!!
Hope you enjoy this, it might help somebody.
EM
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EM, thanks for the animation.
I suppose the same could be done with 3 phases. :)
Darren
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Sure, 3 phases would give you the same moving field if phased just right (120deg apart I believe)
But I won't bother with that simulation :)
I hope you guys can appreciate the insight Nicola Tesla had more then 100 years ago when there were no computers like we have today.  He envisioned this all in his head !!!  What a visionary !! Ha Ha  :D
Now, I believe people need to grasp such basic concepts in order to figure out the SM toroidal power unit (TPU). He talks about rotation etc, so I wouldn't doubt that he uses a simular concept albeit the field directions can be different, the phenomena could be electric/or maybe just magnetic, etc.. Lots of variables to play with.
EM
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Hello guys
Did anybody already try this?
Lenz law. ;D
regards
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Hi brnbrade,
I have tried simular concepts, but with no luck. Have you tried this concept and observed anything unusual? Is that a ring of iron or just a conductor like copper? What are you thinking?
EM
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Hi brnbrade,
I have tried simular concepts, but with no luck. Have you tried this concept and observed anything unusual? Is that a ring of iron or just a conductor like copper? What are you thinking?
EM
Hi EM
No. I no tried. It was only a thought.
Possibly works better iron .
Regards
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EM,
When you say it could possibly be electric, do you mean electrostatic (i.e pure potential)?
How would one do that? Could SM be revolving an electrostic field vs. a magnetic one?
So there are electrostatic fields, magnetic fields, and electromagnetic fields.
Is an electromagnetic field then both electrostatic and magnetic?
Also, is there a difference between a field and a wave? A field is static, and a wave propagates? Is there such a thing then as an electromagnetic field?
Sorry, I feel like asking silly questions...and I need to learn something. ;)
::)
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Perfectly good questions
electric and magnetic fields are the two fields we are dealing with, and we can do a simular 2-phase moving field with electric fields as well, not just magnetic. Electrostatic fields are static, so we can't use them :) but if they change we can call them electric and then we can do it.
How to do it? With capacitors plates lined up in a row and connected 1 3 5 7 .... for one series, and 2 4 6 8.... for the next series, and then we feed them with our 2-phase (90deg shifted) signals. I belive this is already done in specialty hardware.
You are correct, electromagnetic fields or waves have both electric and magnetic components, actualy anytime there is time variation of an electric field it produces magnetic fields, and anytime there is variation in a magnetic field it produces an electric field, so in essence we speak of EM fields in electrodynamics, because both a present.
Then there is also the Electrostatics and Magnetostatics realms, but that's 1st grade stuff :)
Is there a difference between a field and a wave? Well, a field is this distortion in space-time or aether, or whatever, and this distortion (or field) can be static or dynamic and can travel or stay put.
This 2-phase concept is very intreaging because we have two stationary patterns that look like waves and are offset from each other in distance, but they're not moving, and only when the time phasing between them is altered as well do they give rise to a moving field. Very interesting stuff !!
EM
P.S. I should add that there is a difference between this 2-phase addition concept of a wave and an EM wave. An EM wave sustains itself by shifting energy between the electric field and the magnetic field, but this 2-phase system is different yet there are simularities.
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Thanks for that EM.
Could you do a little drawing illustrating the rotating electric field using the capacitor plates?
Darren
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This is what I was thinking in a linear fashion, and to create a rotating field then you can wrap that in a circle.
P.S. Actualy I just realized that this is not quite equivalent to the magnetic setup. We need (+) and (-) plates as part of the same series (red and blue). But you get the general idea.
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kind of looks like the way i had the black hole sun wired at 1 point bucking and kind of joggs my memery at the same time insted of 90 deg what about 180 deg phase inverted in oppsite dirrections? that was the original idea with the bhs
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Hi gajos
Somebody tried to beat RF in the center of the toroide? With mag there also?
regards
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This is what I was thinking in a linear fashion, and to create a rotating field then you can wrap that in a circle.
P.S. Actualy I just realized that this is not quite equivalent to the magnetic setup. We need (+) and (-) plates as part of the same series (red and blue). But you get the general idea.
Thanks EM.
So we would need a grounded plate between each red and blue one?
The direction is determined by which phase leads the other I take it.
Darren
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That's right, leading or lagging in phase between one series changes the direction of travel. I played with that with my simulation, it's pretty neat.
EM
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how does the Muller motor generator work?
how will it relate to the tpu? this is where im looking right now it seams as he circles his magnets with the electro magnets in sequance with one another + and - powering the coils the magnet is in contact with he speaks of moving the magnets without any work being done
bill also makes mention of supercondictuve wire hummm
a question what will make copper superconductive? heat?
needs more digging
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That's right, leading or lagging in phase between one series changes the direction of travel. I played with that with my simulation, it's pretty neat.
EM
Hi EM :)
Would it be possible to do a 3 source simulation?
Something like this:
(1) A chicken pecks the leg of the Q1 man. Then Q1 ups the flag of his left hand. " The figure below shows this timing."
(2) On the next time, the chicken pecks the leg of the Q1 man again. Then Q1 downs the flag of his left hand. And then, while he downs the flag, he hits the helmet of Q2. Then Q2 ups the flag of his left hand.
(3) On the next time, the chicken pecks the leg of the Q1 man again. Then Q1 ups the flag of his left hand. And then, Q2 holds the flag of his left hand upside.
(4) On the next time, the chicken pecks the leg of the Q1 man again. Then Q1 downs the flag of his left hand. And then, while he downs the flag, he hits the helmet of Q2. Then Q2 downs the flag of his left hand. And then, while he downs the flag, he hits the helmet of Q3. Then Q3 ups the flag of his left hand.
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marco, you can actualy do that on paper and trace square waves and see what the timing is, which is what you're after anyway :)
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is the timeing not 1/4 waves and 2 of them or 3 of them
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can someone answer me a question
what was the first thred started here at overunity.com regarding the inventions of steven marks?
the verry first words here ? and i do not mean this thred!!!
im doing my final digg to find what has been missed and im sure somthing has ;)
but it all starts with the answer to my question
what are the first words posted here to do with the sm ring?
i must start at the begining as does every race we run including life
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[edit....moved to "Exploring addition of signals according to SMs TPU"]
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[edit .... moved to "Exploring addition of signals according to SMs TPU"]
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[edit .... moved to "Exploring addition of signals according to SMs TPU"]
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For people looking to get the illusive IRF7307's in America and Europe. So they can drive their IRF840 mosfets, from a function generator:
http://www.digi-key.com/
These guys supply them at reasonable prices, (even though they are a bit obsessive about the Department of Homeland Security Regulations)
I came down like a ton of bricks on them quoting Trade regulations with the United Kingdom.
As compromise I came up with this term.
Device = Standard EMF
Intended use= Public domain research in Tesla/Scalar waves.
Intended recipient= Private use, no third party.
Not strictly true, but it shuts the DHS up.
That should stop you getting 300 questions before shipment.
Just a reminder these are tiny SMT devices which you need very steady hand to solder to the pins.
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13thHourR, Why don't you start a separate thread where people can list links to electronic parts?
I'm trying to discuss theory over here.
Thanks,
EM
P.S. Never mind, I started a new thread.
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Your theory is solid enough to build it and see.
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Thank you Grumpy, I now opened up the tread for discussion.ÂÂ
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It's somewhat quiet in TPU land, so let me pose something:
Many folks have watched SM's video's and made several comments on clues that were picked up. One comment in particular I must question, as I have never believed it to be so.
That is the notion that the open 100W version SM demonstrates is a "4-pole" device.
Carrying this notion further, many have also speculated and touted that the "poles" must be configured and driven as per Tesla's patent in order to create a RMF.
I suppose these are reasonable conclusions given that SM seemed to be quite heavily influenced by Tesla, but are they in error?
I direct your attention back to the first device shown...the small sprocket-capped unit "put together with bailing wire".
Some observatons about both devices (let's call them TPU1 and TPU2):
1) TPU1 has no apparent coils at all. Not saying there are none, just that they are not visible, and surely not segmented into 4 quadrants as TPU2.
2) TPU2 does not have the characteristic yellow toroid used on TPU1 and others.
3) TPU1 must be composed of at least some wire, and this wire is most likely wound around the centre "core" area of the device. We can not see this area well, but where else could the wire be?
4) The "caps" on TPU1 and TPU2 are not evident on any other TPU versions. Do they serve a purpose? I believe in TPU1 no, but in TPU2, obviously, yes (see below for what).
5) TPU2 appears to have 4 bifilar windings in four sections on the bottom ring, which seem to correspond with 4 "coils"(?) that look similar to the coil-core of TPU1.
Reasons I do not believe TPU2 uses 4 poles:
a) Steven always talked about 3 frequencies, not 4, not 2.
b) TPU1 is the bare-bones basic concept model. Looking back from SM's descriptions, logic leads me to believe that TPU1 has only a single collector coil... one of the reasons for its relatively low power output (about 25W). TPU1 therefore uses 3 or 6 or 9 or 12 coil segments around the core, which is comprised of the lone collector coil. Each segment is driven by its own frequency. 4 frequencies fails to come into play.
c) The most logical next step to increasing output power is to bundle several devices together, and TPU2 is the result....
d) TPU2 is composed essentially of 4 TPU1's. The ferrite or iron ring used in TPU2 facilitates the role of the yellow toroid on TPU1 and others. The bifilar windings are equivalent to the windings found on the yellow toroid, one for each "section".
e) The output power of TPU2 is about 100W. Coincidently, about 4X that of TPU1.
Cheers,
Darren
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Try it.
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grumpy post a pic of your coil dude you have said it was done and you implyed it worked
@ darren did you ever think you could do all of this from 1 freq? i beleave you can
just wait till crystals work there way into this little mess
or better yet nano crystlialline to grab most of the missed power from the copper when we look at quartz is it not the second harmonic componment of the earth and it is in harmony with the earth soooooo humm now what is the third harmonic compomnent of the earth if we are going to achive overunity from this coil i think we must harness all that we can from it did sm say he worked with nickle cobalt too in his expariments muller also says about super conductive wire so just some more thoughts as it is too slow in here
william
in the first tpu i beleave it is a 4 coil unit look at the outter most edge of it there you will see 4 coils top and bottom but they are covered with alum foil also they look to be out of phase of each other by 90 deg meaning a quator turn diffrence between top and bottom coils look hard as i have to come up with this conclusion
i have been wrong lots so take thease words as you will its just what i see
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Darren,
just quiet in here ..im busy, alone in my cave !.Tpu wont be cracked with a key board (I'm not having a go at you or your sims, you are valued here).
You raise an interesting point that has plagued me a lot in the past.
It also brings up a lot of issues ..now that you have me out of my cave!!ha
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TPU1 to me, has 4 quadrants just as TPU2 has...I hope that you mean TPU1 is the one in the equipment room.
It could be that we are talking about 2 different coils. what I see as tpu1 is where he says "these are not free energy devices...they are conversion devices"...etc.and takes it out of a pilots type brief case.
The issue of an odd combination and what seems like an even number of coils does seem confusing..I agree.
It it possible that what we see on the outside is not designed to give clues as to how it operates. Perhaps there was a strategy involved at that point. I am just guessing here but the possibility exists.
I have wondered at different times if there may have been "spaghetti" involved in some of those early display units.
That would account for the discrepancy....it would also account for peoples unwillingness to use the recent information provided.Moving foward..all else
we have...TUBES
we have high speed rotational field
we have perpindicular wiring
we have 3 or so stack coils
we have a vital "harmonic perfection"
we have the possibility of two metals.
we have "they are very dangerous"
sparse perhaps..challenging i think. Not nearly enough for some BUT...
AS far as I can see there are not many people ..if any , using all of this information in their experiments. Invariably they add their own experience..we cant help it. we are smart arent we...we have better components now haven't we ?
We all want to jump 10 years ahead ahead of the discovery process, which Steven took 30 years going down . I fully understand the will to do it smarter ....but again ..what do we have that was not designed with tubes first??. then refined and perfected.
"There is no reason that using solid state now would be any easier now that it was 20 years ago"
That is why Steven is such a special person with such a special discovery that will eventually change the way that we use energy .
Its good to know that there is an alternative when the oil, eventually runs out
We may learn this process for our selves, given enough effort and time.
While I am not a radiant energy expert like some seem to be.
I certainly hope that I have the mental capacity, physical skill and the correct equipment to achieve some understanding. ...some luck wont go astray!
Many people have contributed to this research and have proved that ss is not the way to discover ....just to perfect like everything else we have ...including what you are looking at now!
Some may just want to buy these from walmart or somewhere and use our credit card. after the gas station close of course!
It would be much simpler but completely uninteresting.
Lindsay
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grumpy post a pic of your coil dude you have said it was done and you implyed it worked
I have posted my Bob Boyce version - still working on that, by the way.
I have never stated or implied that I have a "working TPU". I have only "implied" that people should seek a deeper understanding of the universe and how it works. Do that, and you can build your own device - like Tesla, Moray, Bedini, SM, Sweet, Bearden, and everyone else.
So, you see, I am not trying to copy the TPU. I am trying to understand "radiant energy", and I got a pretty good handle on it...
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Good to see that "understanding before building" hasn't completely been tossed out the window.
Try that.
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Good to see that "understanding before building" hasn't completely been tossed out the window.
Try that.
Smart Ass.
"Building" is the keyword in your statement.
Jumping from theory to theory, trying to figure it all out first, is futile.
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now when we look at tpu#2 in the garage it agin is almost the same
why?
well there is still 4 segments but they are located all on 1 ring the bottom 1 but agin 8 coils except they are bifullor just like saurons avitar the schem in it look hard in those coils there is the bailing wire in between the bifullor winds
so smak the bailling wire faster than it can conduct it will make a standing wave and cupple to the copper also sauron implyed that there were 4 square moninotor transformers in between the coils and they must feed the bailing wire as the stungun does and they will be fired 1 at atime or 2 at a time causing a bucking action with the magnetic waves that is then picked up with the transformers located at 90deg to the collector where the coils buck each other
does anyone agree
i think the transformers are the feedback and the supply for the next coil from the last coil no?
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Good to see that "understanding before building" hasn't completely been tossed out the window.
Try that.
Smart Ass.
"Building" is the keyword in your statement.
Jumping from theory to theory, trying to figure it all out first, is futile.
What have you built? Really, what have you built? If I missed it, please point me in the direction to see your build and test results. I did not see your "Bob's version" either, so pardon my oversight. Post a link my friend and I'll gladly go check it out.
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well you all here have seen what i have done
so grumpy i guess i missed your coil as well i share all my work i wish others would do the same it is called open source for a reason ;)
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but it seams to me that most donot understand the concept of open source and that is my friends what makes this world a sad place
you all can bet when i compleat my work it will be free for all excluding the work what is not mine to give away for free
but if you look hard enought you will find what is required to make it all work
just think agin what open source is all about
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I couldn't help but notice about the 2 types of posters.
Those that have built coils at whatever level and have seen what Tesla saw or gotten hurt or fried something including themselves or felt the shock waves on their body or gotten scared.
And the others. I guess that is why they are called sims.
I felt badly exhausted last night and wanted to go to bed at 9pm but stayed up till midnight testing. I saw really great results and went to bed. I woke up at 4am thinking more about the results. That is the cost of progress and the zeal of creation.
At a twenty buck investment I'd think you'ld even see homeless people winding coils.
--giantkiller. :D
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Guys we are all here for the same reason, let's try and help each other find that goal.
I want to say that if there is 1 person on this board that has help me out the most, with theory and circuit design and general chit chat and idea storming it has to be Darren Z_P_E so it really annoys me to here someone acuse him of not putting time in on this stuff. :-[
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Thanks for your support and encouragement Giantkiller. ???
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@all
I too support open source, I think I might fall under the definition of a sim? I have great respect for you guys who build the coils. However my aptitude is not building things, I have no skill their and yes when a working device is found I will build one. But I leave the experimental build to those who skill is in that area, by the time I finished my first coil you guys would be on Mars! I am more or of theory/researcher, does that make me a sim?
Do we have to put each other in little boxes, have we not been classified enough already by those in power? If we refer to others in such manners we should do so by the nature of our contribution to the collective effort, I think. Builder, Researcher etc... Sim has no meaning in a world of true individuals. There are no clones on this planet? (well apart from a sheep and bull?)
I try to find ideas like the photomultiplier post, that might link two ideas or provide some inspiration for further work, I like to think that I can help the builders this way, it is where my aptitude lies, of the mind, not of the hands. I think there is room for both, and cooperation by all is required, for without both types would progress not be slower?
However I think that a theory person has no basis on which to criticise a builder, builders build that is what they do, theory people should argue with theory people, if nothing is built that is no problem, the builders will take from the argument what they need and ignore what they don't...
Along these lines I am currently researching a rather obscure document I have been trying to obtain for 15 years and which may have some bearing on the TPU, it may prove fruitless, but if I don't look who will, and we might be worse off without it, that is my interest, and I will report back if I find any inspirational ideas or helpful clues.
Keep up the good work...
@Grumpy
Whether you are a builder or not respect the other builders, if you are not interested in sharing your ideas open source then you are in the wrong place my friend. You post a lot so I hope you have more to contribute, you are quite astute sometimes, have a heart and smile sometimes, you have your place in the scheme of things too, in this story....
@GK & Grumpy
I often burn the midnight oil in pursuit of the mission, its about the journey as much as reaching the destination and its about making friends on the way, the more who travel together the more interesting the journey!
Acerzw
Thats enough philosophy for one day... until next time... my fellow travelers...
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the message has been made quite clear
clearly a new direction is in order
will be modifying and expanding the TP900 to TP901 in favour of adjustable phase between frequencies, and F3 will be changed to F4. Experimenters with Bob's systems will be interested in this
an organized and fairly comprehensive document will be created outlining all essential information regarding Bob's TPS
if interested, pm me
folks here have dictated this is how it will be
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I been here long enuff and saw that it was getting serious so I thought I would throw something in.
I have gone back and reread some of mine and I am embarrased. But that was most of the beginning and there were alot of shots in the dark then. I've left the posts there for a reality check. Sorry for the potshots. Everything needs to be said by someone and if you don't get it out there none of it adds up to produce greater things. I was mocking the process not the diligent. It has been a year now for me and well worth it. The best year of my life. In fact the rest of reality cannot even compare for what I have experienced here with the people, electronics, physics, the building, the internet. Absolutely amazing. Ain't it? To be able to walk through and above the current status quo and know that it is woefully wrong. What a great mindset to behold as a gift for the greater good. Must be why we are all here?
There, now you know how I sound when I am serious. It's all good, my friends.
Now I go and not blow stuff up for once. :D
--giantkiller, Builder, ESQ.
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@z_p_e
I would encourage you to post on the forum openly documents you produce rather than by PM only. I think that you have taken that direction because of the unfair comments and criticism's that you and many of the other veteran posters have taken. But I would caution against that approach, for if something is not posted for all to see we may lose valuable input from people new to the forum who because of that distribution method may miss important posts to which they could add valuable information. And I do have no doubt that the content of your documents will be important, your track record makes it very likely.
I respect your views, but if everyone adopts that approach the forum will be worth nil and the collaborative effort will evaporate. Like I said before it's about the journey, there will be pot holes and hills along the way, but hey what a great view we will all get by sharing. You builders are made of sterner stuff, that is your strength.
respectfully Acerzw, researcher
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Good to see that "understanding before building" hasn't completely been tossed out the window.
Try that.
Smart Ass.
"Building" is the keyword in your statement.
Jumping from theory to theory, trying to figure it all out first, is futile.
What have you built? Really, what have you built? If I missed it, please point me in the direction to see your build and test results. I did not see your "Bob's version" either, so pardon my oversight. Post a link my friend and I'll gladly go check it out.
Pics of Grumpy's coils and such: (see attached)
@All,
Don't dare utter the damn words "open source" to me. Every damn one of you has "something" you ain't sharing with everyone else. Don't blame you at all. If people want results - let them go get them. This ain't no free ride.
Many of the things I do are with other's involved and we agree not to post blindly, if even to post at all. I don't post PM messages either. I have respect for people's privacy and code of ethics - that means things are held in confidence.
To top it all off, I connect at 28k - no DSL or sat here.
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To top it all off, I connect at 28k - no DSL or sat here.
No wonder you're so darn grumpy...
Partially finished 15" "TPU" coil. Final 360? wrap not shown, but was completed later, along with some resonance testing. Taken Dec, 2006.
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nice grumpy my fath is restored
i should have not posted my friends words i know this but look what has happened since then
action = reaction see!!!!
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I like the discussion on the TPUs seen in the videos, thanks Darren
Let's see:
TPU #1  Is indeed the first and simplest looking device.  Take a look at the pictures.
I agree, no 4-pole action necessarily, although we do see what appears to be 4 segments of wire.  This is because tape was used to hold the wires down to the edge of the spool.
I believe the main wires that produce the effect are these two Top and Bottom loops of wire, in conjunction with the ferrite toroid on top.
EM
P.S. There is a trick that can help in seeing blury images a bit clear without the use of computer software. All you have to do is squint a bit wile you view the image. Try it. Look at the photos and close your eye lids just a bit untill the eye lashes start to overlap and distort the view, and you will see that the images become more pleasant to look at and you might see things you never saw before :)
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Hi EM.
It's interesting how different things may look for different individuals. For example, this is what I came up with in my analysis. In particular, there are two things I see differently:
1) The spool or movie reel. Here I see a sprocket with teeth. Think of a bike sprocket, but with more solid centre.
2) The white wire loops. This I see as Steven's second favorite construction material; white silicone. Zoom in on that one spot you labled "tape". To me it looks like a sprocket tooth, and the silicone was used to "smooth out" the jagged teeth to avoid injury when handling the device.
Remember that Steven said it was "put together with bailing wire". It certainly looks like it was thrown together with what ever he had at hand at the moment. I hope folks realize by now that SM didn't use actual bailing wire in the build ::)
Thanks for the tip EM, and the images.
Darren
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The cut section:
Appears to be a "two collector" version.
If lamp cord was used for the collectors, no more than a few turns could have been made by the apparent size of the hole as shown.
Darren
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Darren, are you kidding me?  Are you seeing sprokets for sure? Wow, I guess perceptions can be wildly different, but I think I'm closer to the truth Ha Ha :)
EMÂÂ
P.S. The bottom coil is not yet wound, this is to just give you an idea.
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Another SM photo
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@ darren
tell me why sm would say somthing in his video that is not true?
i built my gk4 with garden wire power goes through the gardenwire and it kicks so it can be used and was used in the first 2 or 3 tpus we see but not in the big tpu's they are all copper wires
look at the wite spots in the cut away 3 of them top is collector a big square and notice the wing too the other to white spots are the tuned collectors see the 2 diffrent sized rings 1 bigger 1 smaller on the bottom of the cutaway
em i dont think it is wound that way but maybe it is it think it is the same as the gk4 4segment unit 1 layer top and 1 layer bottom twisted by a quartor turn
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oh yea i almost for got look at all the blueish purple in those pics bad cam maybe but maybe not maybe radient engery put there on porpus as a clue ya think??
now if you have a look at the sm 15 or 17 look at the wing and trace the angle to the center toroide it looks like it is around 30 deg
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EM,
I am dead serious man. Vortex and I came to this conclusion quite some time ago.
Have a look at these two shots. Zoom in further if you wish, but tell me those aren't sprocket teeth there, and they go all the way around.
Also if you look around the perimeter, you can even see where the white silicone was smeared in places. Those white areas sure don't appear to be wires in these shots.
Darren
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those were not the white spots i spoke of in the above post in the cut away and darren any thig is posible might it be they are aluminum but the white stuff covering the wires i still think is tin foil
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The smear is due to the poor video quality, I believe. Some level of reason has to be applied though, but I suppose anything is possible. If that's what you see and it fits your theory, work with that. But you're right, perceptions can be way different.
I wish Mannix had some clear photos of that one. Maybe I should start work on another "fake" Ha Ha Ha :)
EM
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One other thing I might add EM, is surely you've noticed by now that the two "sprockets" are not sitting parallel, almost as if they're somewhat fragile. Notice that SM handles this unit quite carefully while moving it from the case to the bench.
This is more likely to occur with two separate "plates" as opposed to a spool where the top and bottom are firmly connected by a cylinder tube in between.
I'm not saying I'm right on any of this, just how it appears to me. Take from it what you will.
Darren
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The smearing is definitely not from poor video quality. That's not consistent with the rest of the picture.
For example, two teeth (2 top and 2 bottom) in the second picture can clearly and distinctly be seen. 8)
Darren
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anyone know what happins to the magnetic flux when you put 2 oposing magnets togather like a homopolar generator or an n machine??
i bet 90 deg works its way into it hummm now think as the magnets as the controls and the sprocket as the copper disc you see the mags are already 90 deg to the plane or the disc pushing from the outside to the center in 4 places
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So Darren, then the sprokets have teeth bent up and down as well, so they can produce this effect seen here ???
I don't know, I still think its a wire loosely wound like in the magnetic antenna patent I posted.
EM
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I'm not sure EM. :D
To me it's blobs of silicone making that effect.
Maybe Steven is having a good laugh at our expense (and perhaps rightly so) for over-analysing the white spots in his videos ::) .
Well, we're trying the best we can Steve. The videos are of poor quality, you can't argue with that. They are this way for a reason....I know. One clear pic would go a long way to "clearing some things up" though. ;)
Cheers,
Darren
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Yes, just ONE GOOD CLEAR PIC ;)...
All I have ever wanted from the beginning of this original SM device.
I remember last year you talking about it looking like two saw blades Darren, and then I could see these. Yet, I could also see what EM is talking about, lol.
Out of all the devices, this one seems to not have anything to do with control or collector wires...
I'll have some more looks at this video lol, using EM's 'eye-trick'...
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Yes, then later Vortex set me right by pointing out that the teeth are straight, not angled like they would be for a saw blade... and I agree.
Anyway, Vortex "sees things" on the TPU2 that I simply can't, so as I said it's like looking at the clouds, everyone can see something different.
Darren
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Ah,
But alas,
There is smudging going on.
There are 2 spots where the wire paths are not to be seen.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=XsOxlu98bbU
His output looks an awful lot like SM's powerful arcing seen in his video... lol...
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JARO recently made a post on jlnlabs describing the Solfeggio scale based on numbers 3, 6 and 9:
I'm posting this here because I believe that a MIX of certain special
frequencies can vibrate Aether and so produce HIGHER-DIMENSIONAL FIELDS causing
effects like ANTIGRAVITY and TIME-REVERSAL. That'd certainly explain the
powerful effect that John Keely could produce with various sounds. The special
frequencies could be those in the ancient Solfeggio musical scale, which are
said to have been encoded in the Bible.
But when I analyzed those frequencies I've realized that it is most likely
WRONG. 5 of the 6 Solfeggio frequencies have an interval of 111Hz between them,
but not the first one. It doesn't make much sense to have the interval between
two notes in a scale only 21Hz when all the others have a 111Hz one. So I'm
PRETTY SURE that the number 396 DOESN'T belong into this musical scale. The
CORRECT first frequency should be 306, not 396.
And since it's well known that the Jews stole parts of the Bible from other
races and then claimed them as their own, it's quite likely that during all that
copying and re-writing, they made a mistake and wrote 9 instead of 0, thus
changing 306 into 396.
The Solfeggio scale is here:
396, 417, 528, 639, 741, 852
And the corrected, Jaro's musical scale is:
306, 417, 528, 639, 741, 852
And the reason why I'm quite certain this is correct, is because my musical
scale is mathematically perfect, while the Solfeggio scale is not. I've searched
the Net but haven't found anybody to list the scale with the first number 306
instead of 396.
Oh, and the numbers 3,6,9 are encoded in the scale, as can be seen when you add
up digits of each number (306 is 3+0+6=9, 417 is 4+1+7=3, etc.).
Portals to other dimensions? Sounds good to me. Here's some info about the
Solfeggio scale based on numbers 3, 6 and 9:
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/solfeggio.html
"The 3, 6, and 9
As we look at the six original Solfeggio frequencies, using the Pythagorean
method, we find the base or root vibrational numbers are 3, 6, & 9. Nicola Tesla
tells us, and I quote: "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9,
then you would have a key to the universe."
John Keely, an expert in electromagnetic technologies, wrote that the vibrations
of "thirds, sixths, and ninths, were extraordinarily powerful." In fact, he
proved the "vibratory antagonistic thirds was thousands of times more forceful
in separating hydrogen from oxygen in water than heat." In his "Formula of
Aqueous Disintegration" he wrote that, "molecular dissociation or disintegration
of both simple and compound elements, whether gaseous or solid, a stream of
vibratory antagonistic thirds, sixths, or ninths, on their chord mass will
compel progressive subdivisions. In the disintegration of water the instrument
is set on thirds, sixths, and ninths, to get the best effects."
In the book of Genesis it states that there are six days of creation. Yet many
talk about the creation week - or seven days, and the Christian Bible views the
number seven as the number of completeness. Why Seven? It is due to the
influence of the Near Eastern culture at the time in which Jesus lived, when it
was believed that there were only seven planets.
When wrestling with adding a 7th number, I was mystically drawn to an article in
Discover Magazine. In his newest book, Just Six Numbers, Rees argues that six
numbers underlie the fundamental physical properties of the universe, and that
each is the precise value needed to permit life to flourish. In laying out this
premise, he joins a long, intellectually daring line of cosmologists and
astrophysicists (not to mention philosophers, theologians, and logicians)
stretching all the way back to Galileo, who presume to ask: Why are we here? As
Rees puts it, "These six numbers constitute a recipe for the universe." He adds
that if any one of the numbers were different "even to the tiniest degree, there
would be no stars, no complex elements, no life." (From Discovery Magazine). As
some authors have speculated, could these tones have played a role in the
miraculous shattering of Jericho's great wall in six days before falling on the
seventh day? Some scientists are now stating that if we have been created, we
most likely would have been sung into existence. Is it possible that the six
days of creation mentioned in Genesis represent six fundamental frequencies that
underlie the universe? Religious scholars believe both events occurred as a
result of sounds being spoken or played.
Other scientists, including the geniuses Nikola Tesla, Raymond Rife, as well as
Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, and Chladni, all must have known about, and used the
concept of, the inherent power of threes, sixes, and nines. So we are dealing
with three powerful numbers: 3-6-9. Everyone of the six Solfeggio Tuning Forks
all add up, individually to the Pythagorean scheme of 3-6-9. In fact, because
there are two sets of 3-6-9 (anagrams) in the solfeggio, they are even more
powerful as these combinations serve as "portals" to other dimensions!"
Jaro
Note that the 3 frequencies prescribed by Steven Mark (F1, F2, F3) correspond with the 3, 6, 9, theorem.
Darren
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Re: these 'blobs of silicone'
I am certain this white material is Rob Roy ceramic encapsulation material. It was used to solidify the position of electrical wiring and components in extreme invironments. You pour it on and it hardens like a piece of fired ceramic. Also used to create space born PC boards and seal explosion proof connections. Nasty stuff.... You use it and it winds up everywhere.
The small toroids appear as center tapped secondaries to power the circuit and provide current directional signal to the control.
I see this fitting SM's patent on his pulse control circuit and comments - something about using space-age/military construction to stabilize circuit performance????
No - they are not heat sinks. I'm sure of it.
Re: Sawteeth
When I look at those I see the effect of tightly wrapping 88 (black electrical tape) around a core that has spaced turns of copper wire around it. Each peak would then be another turn of that control coil. There appear to be four different control coils.
Just my clouds?
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Hello All,
Here is some food for thought... Looks like Physicists are just now starting to see what Steven Mark discovered ages ago :).
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/5498
God Bless,
Jason O
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@jdo300
Great find, conventional science playing catchup yet again...
Acerzw
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Hello All,
Here is some food for thought... Looks like Physicists are just now starting to see what Steven Mark discovered ages ago :).
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep07/5498
God Bless,
Jason O
Hi Jdo300,
I don?t remember if the same link was posted before, but the same information was posted at least a few months back.
There is a problem with that if you want to apply it to SM?s tpu. Such a thing is possible with free charged particles, like in plasma. You can hardly do the same with electrons in the wire heavily bound to the atoms.
I have said it before. If tpu was operating on collecting or using in any way free charged particles in the air, one cannot easily just take such a device into his hands and not get cancer or heavy skin burns.
Kames.
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Thanks for that link Jason, but I woudn't put it quite like you did. Steven Mark hasn't told us how TPUs work and I agree with Kames, plasma and wire are two different things and different physics apply and I don't think the TPU uses plasmas, but maybe it does use the ELF waves, after all he says in the videos that his device taps the natural magnetic field of the earth.
EM
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whats the retail price of a TPU? ::)
Actually i give you my take on this. When anything new comes into the consumer market in recent decades the USD/EUR/GBP1000 is often an achievable price that most can afford. eg early VCR, then camcorders, CD players, PC's, digital cameras etc all hit this price tag until the market becomes saturated then the price drops dramatically. Its didnt matter that a CD player might only cost 100 to make they still sold for a 1000. In fact the price of the battery mains invertors has plummeted in the last 5 years i recall a 500 watt version costing well over 500 bucks now they are about 50.
For example i bet that the initial uptake would be staggering. Lets imagine an intro price advert. "At last the FREE power supply is here it last forever, needs no batteries or fuel of any kind and works by tapping in to the earths magnetic force. You can take it anywhere you need instant power!! Car, home, boat, caravan etc This 1000 watt version is yours for just $975.99 a saving of 25% over MSRP!
So you see it not what we think they can be sold for its how much the largest manufatures want to sell them for. Within weeks of a working design posted on this forum i think China will start banging them out for a US supplier for say 100 bucks each but will be sold and marketed as a consumer item with a big price tag. The only way for us to make money on an open source design is to buy massive Put options on gas oil and other energy stocks the day it goes public LOL.
what do you think?
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It'll never cost more than time, material, sweat and tears for any building it for themselves.
Any attempt to market it for what it is supposed to be will be wasted money.
Now if you were to put it in Wally-World as an emergency car battery charger or market it as a permanent magnet assisted air breaker operating mechanism – or better yet – as a Ultra Wide band chip the size of a dime with 40 Mbits of throughput and 30 mile range without an antenna….etc., etc.
It doesn’t matter. The only way it’ll surface is if the plans are posted right here where you can built it yourself. ;D
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Very very few are capable though are they. Same as building your own PC even if you provide full instructions. I thinks it niave to think they wont be marketed in a controlled professional manor even if you could make your own for 100 bucks. Lets not forget how dangerous these things are and after many have been killed trying to make or sell bodged designs on Ebay then governments will step in and make it an offence to build a TPU without a license! Its stands to reason the first models will be quite low powered and certainly not enough for a G8 consumer to come off the grid. Those that have next to nothing ie Africa/large parts of Asia, South America, Caribe and where a 1000 watts could be a life changer would never be able to afford one and no one will give it away for free. So only G8's will have access to them for perhaps a decade.
However, the flip side is G8's use more fossil fuel then anyone else so if in 10 years there are 100 mio TPU's thats a lot less fossil being used. The implications are simply to vast to predict what will happen though.
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bep
nice lol!!
so the plans i think are already here or just about all of them
lets just do it i was going to release somthing after i finish it but i think i will hold it back a wile for super testing and studying to fully understand it. and then explain why it works the way it does because i tryed already but that does not work {people must be showen and told how and why } befor the will understand as i have seen
but about the tpu yea i agree with bolt alot of work has gone into this round the world in many diffrent languages so i think for all given porpouses 750 -1000 per unit is cheep and that is not a lot for what it gives back in return until the market is flooded but even after all is reveiled anyone that has the skills can and should build it for them selvs for free that is what OPENSOURCE is all about
if you cant build it and must buy it then you must pay the price free does not always FREE ;)
but it is an investment in yourselvs so how would you ever loose even if it was 2000 you in time still win cuz it will give back so much more ie. charge battery banks power your house buy a tesla motors car throw it in the trunk drive for free millions of uses
so the people win that is the plan!!!!
lets make it happin it is easy to say but as we have seen it is hard to do
i was going quit this darn thing agin but I JUST CANT
IST
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Come down to Earth.
Chances are that five years from now we will still be trying to perfect a self-runner.
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perhaps some will
but not me ;)
we need dirrection the right dirrection and that has been given once in the right dirrection we have enough great minds on this fourm to compleat and perfect in a verry short time
we all just have to focous on the same goal and we will have it
it all starts with the first right step and as i think it will be verry soon
all must work togather to achive our goals
because we all have diffrent skills
ist
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@ist
You are exactly right! :)
Acerzw
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@bolt
What you say is true. However, na?ve is thinking these things haven’t already happened. There are plenty of things that could be considered as generating free energy, especially by those in this field. The point is if you market it you must avoid the term ‘free energy’. The investors will run screaming. The wrong folks will raise an eyebrow and you’ll dance the same dance that others know. It is better to give the info away for maximum use, provided you haven’t already tried the above, been bought out or shut-up.
The problem with giving it away publicly is there are those waiting for every tidbit so they can claim it. Most will dance the dance. A few will sneak it into our lives as something else, make as much money as they can before folks wake-up and drop the hot-potato.
Yes, the third world should be the first to receive the benefits.
Until then I’m investing in AC-DC conversions until the appliance folks get wind and hoping all the pieces are assembled.
So, I'm with IS. Lets put what pieces we can on the table and all assemble this beast.
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Regarding sprockets mentioned earlier by z_p_e:
Very first SM device....
Consider a pair of circular hard steel discs perhaps 6 inches in diameter joined rigidly with a central steel spindle, This would resemble a wire spool. What we have is a Chladni resonator, in essence a tuning fork rotated through 360 degrees radially. If we wind the central steel spindle with copper wire and pulse it with two or more frequencies, the magnetic attraction and repulsion of the field at the edges of the discs will cause them to produce acoustic waves with maximum amplitude at the edges. We are shock exciting our radially designed tuning fork. We can obtain standing waves and moving waves at the edges of the discs, again this is critically dependent on the frequencies involved.
Now if we were to form a wire into a sine wave and glue it vertically to the edge of the disc, we have an interesting device that can possibly rectify (by ratchet effect) phonon drag of electrons.
As the serpentine wire is acoustically vibrated up and down, visualize the electrons being accelerated and bunched at the peaks and valleys of our edgewise mounted wire. Normally this will produce no flow of electrons in the wire as they are captured at the peaks and valleys. With one more frequency however, a moving acoustic wave sweeps through the serpentine wire causing the electrons to ratchet (spill over) through succesive peaks. (garden hose visualization of S. Mark.)
The movement of the electrons would cause considerable heating effects in the serpentine wire as they are being vibrated ultrasonically at the edges of the disc.
When the correct frequencies are found, the disc will have four quadrants of standing waves, therefore four separate serpentine windings on each disc will be used and properly phased to produce the high emf output. Tuning would be sharp due to the high Q of the resonator. Besides Direct Current, at the output there would be considerable thermal noise and residual harmonics of the frequencies utilized (hash).
If one needed to test this theory quickly, one could grab a pair of bicycle sprockets, fasten them rigidly with a central spindle, wind the central exciter coil on the central spindle and weave the collector wire through the sprocket teeth in quadrants, forming the serpentine visualization of the very first SM device. Is this what SM did?
This could be a magneto-acoustic-electric generating device. SM was into acoustics.
After studying all the info for over a year now, this is my best WAG......V.
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good to see you Vortex, I see what you're saying, certainly possible. I too like the accoustic/vibratory theories for the simple fact that we can reach into the low frequencies. Try that with and LC tank circuit and dimentions become huge. However, I saw that type of spool before, just can't find a picture of it on the internet just yet. It could still vibrate, don't get me wrong, but I doubt it's a sproket like zpe and you are saying, but hey we'll know for sure when somebody produces a better photo or video.
EM
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Here's an illustration I did to explain the field vectors that play a part in the Schumann resonance, and how we can possibly tap this energy.
EM
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Regarding sprockets mentioned earlier by z_p_e:
Very first SM device....
Consider a pair of circular hard steel discs perhaps 6 inches in diameter joined rigidly with a central steel spindle, This would resemble a wire spool. What we have is a Chladni resonator, in essence a tuning fork rotated through 360 degrees radially. If we wind the central steel spindle with copper wire and pulse it with two or more frequencies, the magnetic attraction and repulsion of the field at the edges of the discs will cause them to produce acoustic waves with maximum amplitude at the edges. We are shock exciting our radially designed tuning fork. We can obtain standing waves and moving waves at the edges of the discs, again this is critically dependent on the frequencies involved.
Now if we were to form a wire into a sine wave and glue it vertically to the edge of the disc, we have an interesting device that can possibly rectify (by ratchet effect) phonon drag of electrons.
As the serpentine wire is acoustically vibrated up and down, visualize the electrons being accelerated and bunched at the peaks and valleys of our edgewise mounted wire. Normally this will produce no flow of electrons in the wire as they are captured at the peaks and valleys. With one more frequency however, a moving acoustic wave sweeps through the serpentine wire causing the electrons to ratchet (spill over) through succesive peaks. (garden hose visualization of S. Mark.)
The movement of the electrons would cause considerable heating effects in the serpentine wire as they are being vibrated ultrasonically at the edges of the disc.
When the correct frequencies are found, the disc will have four quadrants of standing waves, therefore four separate serpentine windings on each disc will be used and properly phased to produce the high emf output. Tuning would be sharp due to the high Q of the resonator. Besides Direct Current, at the output there would be considerable thermal noise and residual harmonics of the frequencies utilized (hash).
If one needed to test this theory quickly, one could grab a pair of bicycle sprockets, fasten them rigidly with a central spindle, wind the central exciter coil on the central spindle and weave the collector wire through the sprocket teeth in quadrants, forming the serpentine visualization of the very first SM device. Is this what SM did?
This could be a magneto-acoustic-electric generating device. SM was into acoustics.
After studying all the info for over a year now, this is my best WAG......V.
The turbo coil fits very close...
--giantkiller.
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supposing the inventor has been silenced, can we back engineer based on the YouTube video, get it right and get it into production? the secrecy has to be broken like a housemessing dog. this should be looked at as a military-like struggle. because apparently some of these devices are being suppressed by such means.
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Ledfut welcome to the forum as your first post but i see you went direct to page 9567 :) The inventor Steven Mark sold the IP rights lock stock and barrel to another company some 10 years ago. So he can say nothing apart from 1 or 2 cryptic clues left behind a bit over 12 months ago. The fact the device was seen by many top engineers then sold off for a nice sum means im in no doubt the device is very real. Thus our quest to rebuild it.
The problem is there are 8703 members plenty more fleeting guests of which only about 700 actually pick a soldering iron and they are involved in a hundred other projects on here too so there may be not more then 50 actively winding coils and playing with ideas. Of those 50 TPU testers some may have been and gone after getting shocked a few times and getting no where. Only 10 will get close because unless you got like 20 years of electronic DIY experience/ pretty well qualified i just don't think you will stumble on it by chance.
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sprockets and cogs? come on please. LOL
You can see clearly the 1st models were based on a cable drum dappled with glue blobs and tape nothing more. If it used sprockets and need a wave cavity why don't all the models look similar?
SM has already given a list of instructions to build it and sprockets definitively not on the shopping list. Next you be telling me the glue blobs is actually highly radioactive paint to rip the electrons from the central reactor core.
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Right, of course...
...been here barely two weeks and already you've got everything figured out.
::)
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Ledfut welcome to the forum as your first post but i see you went direct to page 9567 :) The inventor Steven Mark sold the IP rights lock stock and barrel to another company some 10 years ago. So he can say nothing apart from 1 or 2 cryptic clues left behind a bit over 12 months ago. The fact the device was seen by many top engineers then sold off for a nice sum means im in no doubt the device is very real. Thus our quest to rebuild it.
The problem is there are 8703 members plenty more fleeting guests of which only about 700 actually pick a soldering iron and they are involved in a hundred other projects on here too so there may be not more then 50 actively winding coils and playing with ideas. Of those 50 TPU testers some may have been and gone after getting shocked a few times and getting no where. Only 10 will get close because unless you got like 20 years of electronic DIY experience/ pretty well qualified i just don't think you will stumble on it by chance.
Please, Bolt, do not let the chinese whispers prevail i really need to pull you up here..you have made a few excellent and relevant posts.
I normally would not comment but others will read this too. Let me clarify.
The "falsehoods" or assumptions you make are
1. Sold out for a nice sum
He actually has made an agreement that he hopes will be successful but he feels that it is taking a longer time than it should .There is no "nice sum" that you mentioned but perhaps you may reveal your source on this if it is other than your verdict.
2. Clues are over 12 months old
there are multiple clues, many very recent, there are even specific things recommended. but only 1 or two are considered relevant by most who are attracted to this .Some specifics are ignored by about all despite the best efforts of some, including the inventor. WHY IS THAT!!?
Your second paragraph however is extremely relevant
@Ledfut
it will take you some weeks to get through and longer to absorb but read this thread from the start and see how you go..take your time ...yes, its too long. obviously it will get longer for the reasons i have explained, and as we are currently experiencing ....or so we might ASS U. ME
Please read though an make your own "assumptions" rather than rely on those of others others however well intended.Perhaps you will have something useful to contribute
cheers
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Hi all,
I have locked this thread temporarily
Lindsay Mannix
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The easiest way to discover "conversion"
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mannix you opened the thred agin
and paint half the picture why not finish the painting this is your thred
is
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Steven told me, that he was approached and harrassed by US agencies and he was told to keep his invention secret and shut up about it, 'in the name of national security'. So he had a fear to publish anything. I wonder if he had to hand over any of his tech to the agencies and if it is used now already in black projects ?
Hello
I have some large toroidal cores (6.5") that I am experimenting with and will update you all as time passes.
Michael
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Hi all,
This thread will pause for a little while so that every body has time to get up to speed.
There have been many attempts to recreate the conversion events that occour in the tpu.
The best so far have been GK's GK4 and Otto's E.C.D.
Despite their use of square waves and noisy switching devices there was still interaction happening that may lead to the discovery of the correct paramaters to have controllable conversion.
The TPU is a harmonically interactive device that is driven with pure frequencies that interact within the space of the collector circumference. This interaction is an accelerating field that causes high speed electron flow.....a particle accelerator..
Tubes are used to experiment with..because they are easier, especially to begin with!
The clues that have been given could be considered vague by some and there are very few specifics..except for One and that is to use electron tubes to begin to experiment with.
Those of you with out the capacity to use the most rudimentary of electronic devices should really not bother with the tpu at this stage, Most especially refrain form giving advice to others. however perhaps in a few years time your skills might be usefull , right now they are can only be misleading .....any thing that leads any body away from the few specifics is misleading. There are volumes of information on tubes, all of it on the net..they are not hard..they are easier ....And they dont fail!
Please do not take offence but do try to listen to what I am trying to explain here.
So you might have to learn something that you consider old technology. I ask you have you seen an electron? There have been some fantastic theories and some great work that have proven that ss devices are not what is required at first....just like the inventor said 2 years ago!
Thanks to many for helping to prove that even though the is a very,very slim chance of success if other guidance is followed which it is mostly not (centre mounted electronics)
The moment any thing unusual happens with your silicone devices...they will fail as explained to you ...in so many ways. It is not unlike a nuclear reaction in that way...go figure. If you think that you are experimenting with something safe....again don't bother.
I was hoping for some assistance with this quest but it seems that people will only pick out some of "their" easy bits and expand on those to fit their own ideas.
Im guilty if this as well in that I thought that by providing this information it would be followed as close as possible by some at least, and some of the work and all of the information would be come well known by all and open sourced.
All the information is here . It is not contained in the egotistical techno ravings of the grandiose.it is in the clues from the inventor which I have been given the honor to convey as best i could.
At this point i believe that I have failed in that regard and I offer my sincere apology to those with expectations this might succeed in the shorter term.
Many are doing really great work and I admire you for that it just sad (actually tragic)that you are not using the main clue!
There are many other great threads that will satisfy your passing interest and perhaps even have some success in some way.
Lindsay Mannix
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I was thinking if there was a way to make a coil directional
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It has been over 10 years since my first contact with the inventor and owner of the tpu technology and I want to clarify a few things for those who still find interest in the technology. Many are still trying to duplicate it with no hope whatever and it is those who will attract the most attention because understanding is not what they seek ,made obvious by their inability to comprehend what has been given out ina fashion that the inventor dictated under duress and poor health.
My onspiration was to spread the understanding that those who invent things are usually out of the picture in no time ,replaced by interests that have their own agenda . its just tha way the world works at this time and until we can stop bombing things better we will not have this technology
1. My health has deterioted to the point where i have large files in several hospitals that have medical professionals perplexed.
Chronic fatigue syndrome is on the list but only by exclusion
every day is a struggle and i was warned that i would be prevented from tpu development by means beyond my comprehension.
If this reminds you of the tv series stargate then you have some take on the basics here. Not that a government agency is directly involved but agencies protect us from things that would spiral out of control and harm us as a whole if it became common at this stage of our very young technological state.
who honestly would not at some point be tempted by the financial incentives and then allow commercial exploitation by companies whos interests would mean weapons and mayhem for all.
There are those with religious belief that could name this and be satisfied that god's work is being done here .
My emails have been hacked ,and changed and yes this one is suspect as well.
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If you do seek understanding then perhaps there is a way forward but i urge caution as all of the above has been my experience .
to resonate with something of more that 2 dimensions a process of plus and minus or push pull is essential ...just hitting domething with a hammer is a waste of time (split supply at the very least)
Consider that basic electronic devices are more impotrant than complex mosfet h bridges with poor phase response and no tollerance for out of range conditions .
nobody wants to be elecreocuted do they ?
Then wtf do you expect to find with safe voltages?
plus and minus and round and round and up and down ...kapeech?
Think what a se output stage is compared to a push pull from a magnetic perspective .
most will say I have given you nothing ...
just that same misleading rubbish that does not hand you a tpu on a satin pillow.
It is my belief that only those with true wisdom will be able to keep this technology at least available for when we do get over killing each other .
I will not engage with anybody except for perhaps one person on this.
My health is such that this my be my last word in any case.
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Steap and the TPU at Overunity Research