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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1059697 times)

Offline bob.diroto

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #270 on: June 16, 2006, 03:09:45 PM »
I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.

The idea is that a battery is connected across A and B but when doing so deliberately create sparks at both connections and then disconnect the battery. This should send some nice sharp pulses into the wires to get things going.

The idea is that a pulse travels down the wire to say kick unit (green) number 1, it then travels down 100's of thin litz wire. This generates a 'kick'. It is my theory that the kicks are electrostatic extremely high frequency high energy pulses that are 'electron' based i.e. negative. This electrostatic energy gathers on the copper tube and will then generate a larger pulse in kick unit 2 and then onto 3 and then onto 4. The wiring is done in such a way that on each reversal of the resonant circuit there are at least 4 kick units (1,2,3,4) or (5,6,7,8) that will be connected to a +ve potential. A +ve potential is necessary in order to get the electrons that are collected on the copper tube moving back through a kick unit to generate more kicks. The cross over at 4 and 8 is so that as current reverses (in LC resonant fashion) the electrons on this copper pipe will contribute to a much higher current on the reverse swing.

I've added a light bulb (25watt!) more for the resistance than any expectation of high current. It will also act as a fuse if unexpected volts or amps appear.

The capacitor and coil are only their for some resonance. Not particularly critical at this point perhaps do a few calcs to get 6khz. Capacitor should be high voltage 1000V minimum.

Sizing of the copper pipe will be critical. As I've mentioned before Tesla noted that size of metal changed how much energy was present on the metal. I believe this is due to a standing wave effect. My instinct says a square is better than a rectangle. For the copper pipe this means the height must be the same as the circumference. Or Height = diamater x pi. (0.5 inch diameter pipe should be easy to get hold of I think)

I think it is important to keep to imperial measurements (i.e. inches and 1/16 and 1/32 of an inch). My reasoning for this is imperial measurements are somewhere along the line, going way back, derived from arc measurements. Distance measured by 1 second of arc on the earth is equivalent to so many inches. Which is why degrees, minutes (') and seconds('') use the same abbreviation for feet(') and inches(''). There is a historic connection somewhere. And since the kicks are linked to sizes of things which in turn is linked to the ionesphere which in turn goes round the earth we might as well pick a unit that was derived from the dimensions of the earth.

Also note that the vertical position of the wire connection to the pipe may be critical to effective working. The Chladni virbratating sound demos/videos vividly showed the effect of how wavelength against size affected things. Perhaps the charge can only be tapped off at certain nodes as per a tesla coil.

The idea is to start in motion a series of experiments in order to get a working cascade unit.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #270 on: June 16, 2006, 03:09:45 PM »

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« Reply #271 on: June 16, 2006, 08:24:16 PM »
Initial power is my main problem too. There is so much of what BillB was saying in his papers that coincides with what SM's device does that it's scary, however..... All of Bill's papers talk about a power INPUT. There is no power input that we can see on SM's device. Somehow, the magnets provide this. Also in Bill's papers the power input was AC to power the antenna. The frequency of the current was set to the frequency of the LC circuit. This created the superposition of fields, or "worst case scenario". This is how the frequency is "set up" on the device in Bills papers. Since the TPU's LC is tuned to the resonant frequency of Magnetism itself, the magnets are used to "set up" the frequency, and get the ball rolling. It seems to me, that from what we know, it would take more than a momentary wave of a magnet to create enough current to set up the frequency. But perhaps the earth's magnetic field does the rest of the work?


The following is from the first paper we looked at.

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How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #272 on: June 17, 2006, 01:52:17 AM »
I've put together a plan to test out the generation of cascading 'kicks'. I have NOT tried it out yet! But I'm getting the pieces together. Just thought I'd share.

Looks good, I am just curious to see what that thing will do ;).

When done right, the KICKS will manifest themselves as HIGHER voltage than the input that created the KICKS, and those kicks will NOT inherently contain ANY CURRENT.

These KICKS are INSTANTANEOUSLY GENERATED and on a oscilloscope they will appear are large needle lines, hence you could call these KICKS somewhat of a static electricity.

The CURRENT will manifest once that HIGHER voltage KICK is APPLIED to AN INDUCTIVE LOAD, hence a coil/inductor with a resistive load connected to it.

This is not quite how I understand it. I guess the experiment will sort out what actually happens. As I understand, there are two parts to the kicks. When you suddenly apply any potential across a wire. i.e. a square wave with a sharp rise time, when viewing the voltage on an oscilloscope, yes, you will see the needle lines but this is an exact counter to applying the voltage, it is in effect a back emf, it's directly created and uses the power from the just applied current and voltage. The excess power never appears in this circuit. The circuit is completely balanced. Energy in = energy out. BUT a secondary affect of generating this kick is that the wire sends out rays of 'waves/particles'. Any metal objects near by of the correct shape are given a large charge. This 'problem' is designed away. Iron cores absorb this charge, metal parts are earthed. As Steven Mark says you short circuit the power. For this charge to be of any good to us, you need a mechanism of as Steven Mark, says, of "finding the potential". By connecting the copper pipe, which contains this freely generated charge, back to one side of the circuit via another kick generator you now have 'charge' flowing along a wire to the +ve side of the circuit. This IS the CURRENT. The current comes first not the high voltage. But we are immediately using this current flow to generate more kicks. But note the appearance of this charge and thus the current is instant. i.e. A VERY fast rise time. This is exactly what we want for even bigger kicks. This is the cascade in immediate action BEFORE any rise in voltage.

This extra charge ends up on the plate of the capacitor. Extra charge on a capacitor plate is the higher voltage. And hence as the LC resonant circuit reverses current direction, it does so at a higher voltage and thus more current flows than the pevious time. And hence bigger kicks.
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I know exactly how to make the KICKS, I just want to know how Steven is getting his INITIAL POWER that he uses to MAKE THE KICKS and power the solid state electronics.

Anywhere where there are solid state electronics you need to have a good reference voltage - realistically this has to come from a battery. A small 9Volt would be perfect. (You could use capacitors but why bother when a small battery will do and provide reliable consistent operation?) Consider a camara flash driven from a battery. You can easily generate 1000V in a capacitor for discharge. Once the pulses are going if it's a nicad battery you could feed some of the current back into the battery.

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Knowing that there is a wind up period in his unit I would have to say that there definitely is a feedback mechanism in his unit and that as the KICKS are reapplied to the input they continually RISE in VOLTAGE/POWER and this then produces larger kicks, perhaps THIS is why Steven said that the control circuitry had to be there so that the unit wouldn't destroy itself??

I think the control circuitry replaces most of the natural positive feedback mechanism. i.e. You put some solid state electronics in the feedback part of the mechanism and then you can control whether you allow the feedback to go round the system again. For instance, take my experiment. In theory as I loop round the finally kick, from kick-unit-4 and kick-unit-8 back to the beginning of the circuit there is nothing stopping the kicks from getting larger and larger other than the resistance of the lamp. If however you break that final kick. You can be back in control. The control unit would put out a large 'kick' hence the 1000V poly caps we can see. Inside the actual coil there could be a series of kick units cascaded. Hence 1 kick could generate 10 kicks if there were 10 units. Have a hundred units and you get a 100 kicks. If the 100 kicks generate more power than the cost of generating 1 kick you have over unity but now you are in control. The control unit kicks out 50 pulses a second (50hz) and 100 cascade units effectively convert this to 5000HZ.


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Then again, for me thats all the easy part, MY PROBLEM IS where does Steven get the INITIAL POWER to make that FIRST KICK and WHY does the units stop WHEN the permanent magnet is taken away?
Natural positve feedback requires a magnet ? I'll have to try my experiment with some magnets positioned around to see what happens.

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Does the units with the SPST switches EVEN HAVE MAGNETS??
Probably not if he's not looping round the kicks.

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Does he use the power from some distant AM radio station, just for those INITIAL KICKS?
I'd say he uses a battery. Perhaps the small units are very sensitive to the freq. of magnetism and start oscillating. I'm going to try and get the thing runnning from batteries first so I can understand the parameters of what is happening. I suspect once we know this we'll have a better chance of creating a non battery standalong device.

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Does he use the inherent frequencies of magnetism at about 175Khz taken from imbedded permanent magnets or the magnetism of the earth?
I'm going for 175kHz. After all we know the output is high frequency.





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #272 on: June 17, 2006, 01:52:17 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #273 on: June 17, 2006, 04:34:57 AM »
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This fact was proven by the experiment in which Peter Lindemann and another person stood near one of Eric Dollard's Tesla Magnifying Transmitters he built and each man stood perpendicularly outward from the device while it was in operation. Each man held a different electrode of a common light bulb and the bulb lit brightly while in their hands! Ask Peter if you don't believe.

Hi Tao, I do believe!

This is fascinating stuff. I wonder if each person was at a slightly different negative potential to each other. In other words the bulb lit by only partial transfer of the available charge!!

Do you have any good web references on Eric Dollard (I'll give google a whirl in the meantime) ?

I used to have an excellent book by Peter Lindemann with the picture of a tesla coil with an unconventional spark coming from the top of it, on the front of the book. The book got way layed in one of my moving house. Do you by any chance know of this book, and the name of the book ? As i'd like to purchase it again.

Excellent stuff tao. I think we're really motoring now.

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« Reply #274 on: June 17, 2006, 04:55:20 AM »
The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?

Hmm, my guess is, that he just uses these magnets to switch on the circuit
via a hidden reed relay switch and he has hidden a small 9 Volts block battery to generate
the right pulses for the coils !

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« Reply #275 on: June 17, 2006, 05:34:25 AM »
@Bob,
where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?

@tao,
how would you generate your kicks and feedback them positively back ?

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« Reply #276 on: June 17, 2006, 12:16:39 PM »
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where is the iron wire in your schematics in kicksv1.gif ?
Do you really think you can use copper Litz wire for this effect ?

No iron wire at present. My understanding is that the effect occurs when a current first tries to flow in a wire. Using enamelled litz wire is an easy way of applying a current to many wires at once. I think there is going to have to be a fair amount of experimentation to get the kick unit right. I've got a car ignition coil set up to give me a high voltage pulse. Time is my only issue at the moment. Litz wire might prove to be too thin, could just burn up. I'm hoping the large bundle of parallel litz wire will prevent this. Otherwise I'll be moving to a higher gauge wire, and no doubt will try iron wire.

To start with I'm going to try and nail down an effective design for one kick unit and will use a spark plug with a magnet to blow out the spark as fast as possible. The spark plug being used as a diode. Once I have a measureable and consistent effect I'll move on to trying to eliminatie the spark plug. I'm hoping a fast enough pulse train will eliminate the need for diodes. (My schematic is based on this assumption. As Steven Mark doesn't seem to have used diodes in his earlier designs).


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« Reply #277 on: June 17, 2006, 05:07:52 PM »
Bob - You're on the right track with the ignition coil and spark plug... and the disruptive discharge.

If I might interject here... what the disruptive discharge does is release plasma.  That's not going to run in wire - but you might catch it on a plate.

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« Reply #278 on: June 17, 2006, 05:42:38 PM »
I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.

@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?

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« Reply #279 on: June 17, 2006, 06:04:57 PM »
In the aerial generator patent that I uploaded, iron wire was used around the magnets.  I believe it's purpose was to 'set up the frequency' between the on board magnets and with the magnetic field of the earth.  I gathered the idea that the device would not produce power unless iron wire was used in that part of the circuit...  Perhaps a small winding of iron wire around the magnets was being used in the TPU?

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« Reply #280 on: June 17, 2006, 07:23:40 PM »
I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.


Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.

Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?

Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.

Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......


*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....

Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.

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« Reply #281 on: June 18, 2006, 03:24:13 AM »
In reference to the 'kick' - if you are generating any current in a wire... then it will come at the standard cost... and you will see no overunity.

If you plan on using disruptive discharge to get overunity, then you need to understand that any current on the 'other side' of the gap is not free.  It will come at a cost - which is more than just running current through the wire... some of the energy is lost to heat.

What you can do with the spark gap is freeing plasma... and you can step that up, and then convert it to current to create more energy than you started with.


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« Reply #282 on: June 18, 2006, 04:19:55 AM »
@ bob: Looks to me like your test setup is a modified tank circuit, nice use of the light bulb. I assume you plan on tuning your coil there, if so, how do you plan on getting your coil tuned to the same freq as your ingnition? Or does the coil symbol there represent your ignition coil?

Yes, it is a modified tank circuit. I'm assuming Steven Mark's device works using two principles. Firstly a cascading of 'kicks' and secondly pulsing the energy formed by these kicks so that these is some resonance with the ionesphere. Now obviously these two principle can be combined together if you know both the frequency for the kicks and the frequency for pulsing the resultant energy. In arbitrary units if you have an ideal frequency of 40 for kicks and an ideal frequency of 50 for pulsing ionesphere then a frequency of 200 will work OK as 40 and 50 are both factors of 200 but a frequency of 100 will not. Much easier to nail down one frequency first and then move up in multiples of this frequency to find out how to pulse the ionesphere.

The schematic is only intended to generate cascaded 'kicks'. The important part is the capacitor which provides a +ve plate to which the collected charge from the copper pipe can move towards thus generating the current. I've added the air coil in order to provide some additional impedance into the circuit in order to bring the resonant frequency down to a reasonable level so that I can observe on the basic oscilloscope that I have. I'm imagining that the 'kick' units will not have a high impedance because they are not really coils.

Totally separately as a test bed I'm proposing using an ignition coil driven by a mosfet circuit which in turn is turned on/off via a signal generator. That way I can give a big walloping charge to just one kick unit in order to get the geometry of the kick unit correct. i.e. To get the size of the collector plate correct. To do this I'll be trying different diameter copper pipe at different heights. As mentioned I'll be starting at a 1 to 1 ratio of height to circumference. So the ignition coil is just there for the test bed and not part of the schematic.

To make things slightly more complicated I've started reading Eric Dollard material as hightlighted by Tao (thanks Tao - it is certainly interesting). Eric believes that there is a difference 'quality' (as in the characterisitcs of the charge) of charge coming from a collapsing magnetic field and one coming from a capacitor... So I might have to scrap my ignition coil test bed idea for that of having a capacitor charging circuit for the capacitor and then organising for this capacitor to dump it's charge across a kick coil at regular intervals. This is more inline with what Tesla was doing with his Wireless Energy Transmission Coil stuff except he used a resonant circuit to charge a capacitor which then dumped across a spark gap into his main tesla coil.

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« Reply #283 on: June 18, 2006, 05:09:21 AM »
yes you can pick up the charge that's radiated.  But unless you have done something to it, then you are only capturing what you have put in.  of course this may or may not be true... but this whole thread is speculation at this point.
How the marks device implements this is something that everyone is guessing at... but if we have decided that it is based on what Tesla did - then you must consider the details of the Tesla coil.  Between the Tesla coil and the marks device... we know more about Tesla's work at this point.

Using bob's ignition coil and spark plug - the next step, per Tesla's work - would be to place a coil over the gap.  The coil would step up the plasma 10,000 times per foot of coil and radiate that energy - which could then be captured in the form of a charge on a metal plate within range of the coil.
And that's what my comments are based on - the fact that he was using the setup to test the principle of disruptive discharge providing some sort of energy that could be transformed and used without adding load to the primary circuit.

How the marks device does this would be the next step after understanding what exactly is occuring with the disruptive discharge.

And yes - the output is cold electricity... but there is a primary circuit connected to a spark-gap... and yes there is heat at that spark - the cold electricity is the radiant energy.

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« Reply #284 on: June 18, 2006, 11:46:33 AM »
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

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