Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" (Read 1242985 times)

sparkman · « **Reply #2265 on:** December 05, 2006, 02:43:31 AM »

AM

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There is a big chapter left out as you say purposely. That is a technology known as Magnetic Amplifiers.

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Note that the word transformer does not even appear in the title!

The word "transformer" does not appear in the title because magnetic amplifiers are not transformers, they are a configuration of one or more devices known as a saturable reactor.

The company that I helped to start in 1965 would have had a magamp as a first product had not the SCR been sufficiently produced at a low cost.

As far as I know there is nothing magic about this technology, but you can check it out for yourself if you think there may be. They do not create power, they control power, just like your light dimmer.

They had their heyday in any fixed application such as fire control for big guns on ships where weight was not a problem.

They are not taught in newer books because it is rather obsolete technology since the same control function can be accomplished in a tiny fraction of the size and weight of a magamp.

They are very robust devices, practically immune to line transients, however they are not that efficient compared to semiconductors.

There was plentiful information on these devices when they were popular time has just passed them. Have fun playing with them and get your floors re-enforced if you plan to control (not create) large amounts of power.

Of course I might just be a plant to discourage your FE research

At any rate there are 1,240,000 references if you google it. You could get a free old magamp book download from pmillet.com technical books online

I wish people would really do their research before creating intrigue.

Regards, Sparkman

dean_mcgowan · « **Reply #2266 on:** December 05, 2006, 03:53:33 AM »

Actually someone posted the mangetic amplifier pdf recently .. i have not got the reference link here now though when i get home i will repost the pdf. I read it and found it very informative in terms of different windings and configurations that would be of great help to people attempting to gain a foothold understanding in this forum.

Someone else may wish to repost if they have a copy.

Regards,

Dean (attempting to be more civil)

Mannix · « **Reply #2267 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:05:48 AM »

Dean
Good on ya!
There i was clicking you post ready for another anger up surge...and no.... I have a warm fuzzy feeling instead.
thanks
Lindsay

AhuraMazda · « **Reply #2268 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:13:05 AM »

sparkman

Quote from: sparkman on December 05, 2006, 02:43:31 AM

I wish people would really do their research before creating intrigue.

Yes you are quite right and that was not my intention. I believe no technology should be thought of as obsolete. And as you say, magamps are very robust and hence still used in military and aircraft industry.

After TPU, my next project: Ferrorresonce-Magnetic Amplifier-electrodes, Meyer water fracture device!

Regards

AM

sparkman · « **Reply #2269 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:28:12 AM »

Dear AM

Just for the record, I enjoy so called "obsolete" technology and have a house full of it including magnetic amplifiers, tube Tektronix scopes (big ones), lots of vacuum tubes and older test equipment. I always find a use for it in one way or another in my experimentation.

I recommend the old tube scopes for any kind of high voltage, impulse or electrostatic work as well as good old vacuum tube voltmeters. They are rugged and can take quite a punch without giving up. Of course I also have more modern equipment especially for precision work.

I encourage you to play with magamps and anything out of vogue that you can get your hands on. There is much to be learned from these devices. You may just find something others have missed!

Someday I will be "obsolete" and find myself in the dustbin of history!

Best of Luck in your research efforts.

Sparkman

Grumpy · « **Reply #2270 on:** December 05, 2006, 04:44:50 AM »

Anyone using avalanche transistors for fast pulses?

op-amp quadrature geny?

Tuning the coil length to get a phase shift?

3-phase geny from op-amps?

MOSFETS?

JFETS?

I'm thinking that SM's TPU worked with a rotational frequency in the audio range, so he had the kick (pulse) the RMF to get it to speed up and charge it. RF rotation freq and he would not have needed the kicks, but hey should still be of use in either scenario.

Sparkman, I have an old tube Heathkit RF gen - works like a charm!

Too much BS an not enough tech talk around here these days...

c0mster · « **Reply #2271 on:** December 05, 2006, 06:36:30 AM »

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on December 04, 2006, 03:08:12 AM

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AhuraMazda · « **Reply #2272 on:** December 05, 2006, 01:04:25 PM »

Quote from: Grumpy on December 05, 2006, 04:44:50 AM

Anyone using ....

Grumpy,
In a way I think it is not what you've got, it is what you do with it. It was reported that SM spent around $13 in Radio shack on the parts for 1 TPU. It is easy to buy all these components you mention but are they really necessary? Because I am Newbie I have been reading a lot of people's past posts. You really seem to be bringing up lots of interesting points. But based on what you've got, have you started anything yet?
For instance I read somewhere that SM used bale wire again this could be a misdirection but on the other hand if he was utilising earths magnetic field, isn't "iron" most effected most by magnetism?

Regards

AM

CTG Labs · « **Reply #2273 on:** December 05, 2006, 01:48:27 PM »

The term bayling wire here means "just some wire I had laying around". Iron/Steel wire is not important. Mixing the correct frequencys which results in an anomalous amplification effect is the key, nothing more.

D.

Grumpy · « **Reply #2274 on:** December 06, 2006, 12:46:06 AM »

AM,

I was just pointing out that everyone was digressing into bs and debunk modes rather than technical discussion.

hartiberlin · « **Reply #2275 on:** December 06, 2006, 01:54:52 AM »

Quote from: Grumpy on December 06, 2006, 12:46:06 AM

AM,

I was just pointing out that everyone was digressing into bs and debunk modes rather than technical discussion.

Yes,please all get back to just technical discussion about the effects involved.

Many thanks.
Stefan. (admin)

pese · « **Reply #2276 on:** December 06, 2006, 09:49:56 AM »

Quote from: Grumpy on December 05, 2006, 04:44:50 AM

Anyone using avalanche transistors for fast pulses?

op-amp quadrature geny?

Tuning the coil length to get a phase shift?

3-phase geny from op-amps?

MOSFETS?

JFETS?

I'm thinking that SM's TPU worked with a rotational frequency in the audio range, so he had the kick (pulse) the RMF to get it to speed up and charge it. RF rotation freq and he would not have needed the kicks, but hey should still be of use in either scenario.

Sparkman, I have an old tube Heathkit RF gen - works like a charm!

Too much BS an not enough tech talk around here these days...

Yes, vou can ask me "somes" in semeicontuctor designes.
I have worked over 40jears in "selecting , test, mesurements on
transistors and other semiconductors , for customer , industrial and mil applications. also i designed some ignition transistor coil devices,
that also must give most attention to avalanche , because back
energy (that must "undamped" must not destroy the semiconductors.)
Special , complicateinquiris ? pls use my email. (or privat messages)
Pese

ronotte · « **Reply #2277 on:** December 07, 2006, 11:27:23 AM »

@Dean
is this attached what you are looking for?
Ciao

marflyga · « **Reply #2278 on:** December 07, 2006, 09:49:58 PM »

YAAAAhooooo!!!!!!!

I finally made it to the end of this thread. It only took me about 3 months.
Hi to everybody. Very interesting subject. I will watch on the sidelines. I am an RF tech, so you guys are speaking my language.
One question I have for SM: Did you get your $10 million from UEC? and a question to Mannix: Do you have the know how of the TPU?

And to all....Keep up the good work!
Marflyga

Mannix · « **Reply #2279 on:** December 08, 2006, 09:29:06 AM »

Hi all,
Remember Steven has told us that electron tubes are important.

Use them!

They have properties that are unique and are "reqiured "to "experiment" with.

Dont ask me specifically why, but they are important .

If you study their uniqueness you may find out why it would may not have been discovered by him without them.

Tesla used them too....funny that. Does anybody think that silicone devices were designed to replace all the properties of tubes or perhaps just the ones that are usefull in designing the final outcomes. It wasn't tpu's that for sure.

What you saw in turbos and x'S experiments were ways of understanding a part of teslas work. Cheeky ...yes..these guys have been on this for a long time and were influenced by the negativity that exists here. They responded in a way that they thought a few of you might wake up a bit. It worked ...on one level..but risked degrading Stevens discovery on another. Their work should be examined but in context...of studying a part of teslsa work.

They did not name the thread "replication" somebody else did that.
See how context changes things?

Happy researching and a Merry Xmas

Lindsay mannix

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