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### Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1187769 times)

#### otto

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##### Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2310 on: January 19, 2007, 01:24:29 PM »
Hello all,

Mr.Mannix reported us a few days ago his test results...
He sayd he saw little wavers at 245kHz and 30kHz. He has a 15" TPU. Now lets see:

15" = 245kHz : 30kHz = 8,16kHz

Most of us have a 6" TPU.
Let us see the values for a 1" TPU:

245kHz : 15" = 16,333kHz
30kHz : 15" = 2kHz

1" TPU = 16,333kHz and 2kHz

6" TPU = 16,333kHz x 6" = 98kHz
2kHz x 6" = 12kHz

If we divide 98kHz : 12kHz = 8,16kHz

That means a 6" TPU has the teoretical frequency no.1 of 98kHZ and frequency no.2 is 12kHz.

This frequencies are almost the same Im using.

Otto

#### Revelator

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« Reply #2311 on: January 28, 2007, 05:01:15 PM »
I have just learned of SM's device, I have been prototying various types of magnetic induction devices since the early 80's. I thought I was familar with most of the devices out there and I can't believe I missed this one. I have read a lot of the posts but definitely not all. There is no doubt in my mind that the TPM works and works well. The detractors posting here need to get a life, as they obviously have never created anything, or had an original idea of their own. It is unfortunate that Steve did not share this info rather than going for the money, perhaps he has his reasons. I think that there is only one way to justify going for the money, and that is if it is going to a fund to help humanity. I think it is possible to be open with a breakthrough such as this and still get the money, (full disclosure coinciding with patent filing). Unfortunately it is too late for Steve to do so, and perhaps too late now for any one else to make a difference either. This type of technology introduced effectively several years ago could have changed the world in which we now find ourselves. A world on the edge of a nuclear WW3, partially over, oil resources in the middle east.

I hope to post some info soon on a transformer I have done some experimenting with, that is excited with a PWM, 12 volts and not a lot of amperage. There is a sweet spot around 20 K where the voltage and amperage spikes, right up to 175 volts ac and about 40 amps. The trouble so far is that allthough the readings are there, the energy output is not. I have been studying Tesla and E Gray looking for some answers and I think that a  copper collector maybe necessary(Tesla), or perhaps spliting the postive (Gray) or perhaps both.

Taking into consideration as well, Sparky Sweets device, I do not think that this technology has to be as complicated as SM's torroid.

An earlier post mentioned the wave/particle issue, and I can't help but offer my humble opinion on this, as I think it has everything to do with the nature of the force fields exhibited by a magnet. I only have a grade 8 education and am completely self schooled on these concepts, formulas are not my forte, nor are electronic devices such as PWM's, some one else built it for me.

I think that it is true that every thing in the universe is vibrating. Particles vibrate at very high rates of speed, they are constantly taking in and giving off energy. Due to the taking in and giving off of energy, the mass of the particle is constantly changing, as the mass changes weight it effects the particle's movement or motion. That is why a particle behaves like a wave. People have a strange notion that a magnet comtains eliptical lines of force, I do not think that this is at all true. That is just the way that iron filings align themselves to the poles. Take a compass around a magnetic field and you will see that while it indicates the eliptical shape, it is merely aligning to polarity. In my early thought experiments with how induction occurs I wondered why a current flows in one direction when entering a magnetic field and then reversed when leaving the field. I drew the end of a magnet on a piece of paper and then drew some circles on the magnet end with some arrows to indicate direction. Going into the field the arrows were all pointing down, and then when you get to the centre of the magnet there are an equal number of arrows going in oppostite directions on the conductor, just at the point where there is no current flow. When you begin to leave the field the arrows are all going in the opposite direction now. At that point I became convinced that there was a circular direction of lines of force, and not eliptical ones.

We have always thought of the north and south being of different charges, and further that opposites attract, and that is why a north pole attracts to a south. But if you dedicate a circular direction on the end of a magnetic for a north pole and indicate the opposite direction on a south pole, when you go to put them together you will see they are both moving in the same direction and that is why they will join together. So we can then deduce that there is no north and south as conventionaly understood, just one common field that has rotational lines of force. Now we must wonder why there seems to be two different force fields in a magnet. There are two force fields allright, and the only reason they appear to be of different charge is because you are using a magnet to determine these two distinct fields. If you use a piece of steel they both seem the same, they will both attract the steel.. Whether with a magnet or a piece of steel it is obvious that a circular and ball shaped field of energy exists at each end of the magnet.  Try drawing a magnet and then superimpose over the whole thing a spiralling and expanding as well as contracting figure eight. If you then try to imagine a flow of particles that are continuely expanding and contracting at a very high rate of speed. You can start to picture the particle giving off energy, getting lighter, going into a larger orbit where it then takes in energy, gets heavier and as a result works down into a smaller orbit, takes in energy and goes into a wider orbit again on the other end of the magnet.

I guess that about wraps up my comments and thoughts for now. I look forward to hearing what some of you genius's out there, may have to think about about my theories. I hope they are interesting and even perhaps help somebody, with their experiments.

PS I think that there is another element of current flow that works along with the circular lines of force. Different level of energy though from a higher dimension/frequency that works in conjuction with the lower frequency/dimension. I may post more on this at a later date.

#### Yamanashi Jr

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« Reply #2312 on: January 28, 2007, 08:05:27 PM »
Revelator,
BushWacker was saying the same thing, but we don't see him around for some time now.

http://www.cheniere.org/misc/sweet.htm

#### giantkiller

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« Reply #2313 on: January 28, 2007, 08:25:52 PM »
I clipped this from the previous post 'Cheniere'.
One can take the energy from the vacuum in a hundred ways, not just one.  Sweet's way was indeed a very good way.  There are also a hundred other good ways.

I guess we are all not so crazy or 'out there' as some would believe.
Ya gotta love that term 'Vacuum', eh?

--giantkiller. Tnx Grumpy. And of course, all the other dolphins. Keep swimming, keep swimming...

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312

« Last Edit: January 28, 2007, 09:09:09 PM by giantkiller »

#### vortexentity

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« Reply #2314 on: February 01, 2007, 06:39:31 AM »
I have read this thread for more hours than I can count mainly because I might have read some in my sleep.

It has been kind of like reading the encyclopedia crappanica to find one chapter of hard applicable data. My hat is off to the brave ones who have sat through the entire thing day in and day out for the last year.

The important issue is of course free energy for human kind. I am afraid it is not any closer to us as a result of this device that Steve has shown us fleeting glimpses of in his videos.

Steorn I am impressed with. Steve Mark, and UEC I am not.

Why give out these teasers on a company that is not public? Why frustrate the inquisitive and enterprising with this spoon fed drivel?

After nearly 10 years of public exposure the only reason this technology is still unknown to the world is because it never will become known in my opinion.

Not that this all is not very interesting or I would like most of you not suffered the endless reading of this thread to discover that it does not contain enough information to assemble an experiment based on the systems operating principle.

At least with Steorn in Ireland they gave the public notice. They also gave the scientific community a chance to find out about the technology and be empaneled to give it a critical revue.

As far as I can see Steve Mark and UEC are going to take this one to their graves. Perhaps in another 10 years or so they will be irrelevant as Steorn's technology will be on the store shelves and in our homes while Steve's technology sits on the shelves of some subordinate defense contractors warehouse shelves.

#### lwh

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« Reply #2315 on: February 01, 2007, 11:12:29 AM »
Vortexentity, your frustration is understandable, but you might be missing the point.

If you've read this thread and the other recent ones you'll see that there are in fact people assembling experiments based on, or inspired by, the Steven Mark's systems operating principles (which are shared with other devices), and they are getting real results.  It's all about true experimentation though, not simply replication.  If you yourself have access to the proper equipment and have enough electrical engineering knowledge to be able to wire up a tpu and controller, you too can participate.  (I myself have neither of those things and so have to be content with trying to understand it all in an abstract sense).

Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at you, that's not my intention.  I'm just saying, in my opinion, forget about the Steven Mark's stuff, it got suppressed, and support the efforts of those (hobbyists really) who are doing what they can to 'free the energy'.

Les.

#### AhuraMazda

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« Reply #2316 on: February 01, 2007, 12:19:53 PM »
Vortexentity, your frustration is understandable, but you might be missing the point.

If you've read this thread and the other recent ones you'll see that there are in fact people assembling experiments based on, or inspired by, the Steven Mark's systems operating principles (which are shared with other devices), and they are getting real results.  It's all about true experimentation though, not simply replication.  If you yourself have access to the proper equipment and have enough electrical engineering knowledge to be able to wire up a tpu and controller, you too can participate.  (I myself have neither of those things and so have to be content with trying to understand it all in an abstract sense).

Sorry if this sounds like I'm having a go at you, that's not my intention.  I'm just saying, in my opinion, forget about the Steven Mark's stuff, it got suppressed, and support the efforts of those (hobbyists really) who are doing what they can to 'free the energy'.

Les.

Vortexentity
Yes he (SM) could have been a contender.

LHW,
I believe even the information given out about TPU was probably part of a UEC marketing exercise.

If you had never seen a car and I described to you how it works would you be able to make it?
In this game I have come to notice that we all suffer from the same human fallacies.

AM

#### Spherenot

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##### Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2317 on: February 01, 2007, 01:40:57 PM »

« Last Edit: February 06, 2007, 05:30:10 AM by Spherenot »

#### AhuraMazda

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« Reply #2318 on: February 01, 2007, 02:30:57 PM »
Sphernot,
Think of rotation of the earth and it's motion along it's orbit. Here are 2 tangible forces that if utilized can produce
free energy.

On your other point, I think regular inventions are mundane and the attraction here is the challenge.

AM

#### vortexentity

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« Reply #2319 on: February 01, 2007, 04:30:38 PM »
I learned more about the likely operating principle from reading the Alberto Molina-Martinez published patent application 20030168921 than anything else I guess.

I just came to the end of the thread finally last night kind of late and vented a bit of my frustration I guess. I am a hobby tinkerer myself and have a pretty nice lab set up for prototyping but I hate to waste materials until I have a working mathematical model to work from. That is missing from any information I can find including the above mentioned patent application publication.

The object of course is to provide energy to the world that does not harm the environment in any significant way.

Peace all

#### vortexentity

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« Reply #2320 on: February 01, 2007, 05:07:42 PM »
One thing I am kind of confused about is that the Albert Molina-Martinez patent application of 2003 is the only published reference and it is many years after the video of this prototype was taken if the date is correct on the film. Also Steven Marks or UEC have no patent published applications I can find that would relate to this technology.

If they have filed for several patents I guess they are not yet published. If someone has a reference that I have missed please be so kind as to link it for me as I somehow missed it. Perhaps the entire technology has gone black.

#### giantkiller

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« Reply #2321 on: February 01, 2007, 05:51:54 PM »
Regarding the last three posts:

I have a B.S.M.E. that whispers in my ear every day that this is not possible.  Oh, yeah?

Perhaps this is why I persist; it is not like the establishment has never lied to us before.

Atoms move, planets move, stars move, galaxies move, clusters move and it is all free inside this static force generator that exists at all levels! Don't wait for another go around, grab the brass ring this time! And let's start our own revolution! Kapeesh?

And now there are 4. A coil in the circuit is worth 2 in the mind.

--giantkiller. It is a great day to live!
« Last Edit: February 01, 2007, 08:17:02 PM by giantkiller »

#### Mannix

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« Reply #2322 on: February 18, 2007, 07:17:02 AM »
Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.

I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in  the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the  project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices?   So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add?  Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2007, 11:05:10 AM by Mannix »

#### icarus

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« Reply #2323 on: February 20, 2007, 02:03:37 PM »
Hi tpusers,
after another TPU in the graveyard, I came back to experiments.
So, I think it's nothing important, but someone can tell me something about ?

It?s an induction effect ?

The setup:
one collector coil (soft iron, insulated, 100 mt, 17.5 cm diameter)
4 control coil (lamp wire, 30 turns for sector) as x Otto config.
Signal gen.--->Mosfet ---> one end of the control coils; the other end +5V

the output from the collector coil:
one end to a diode (1N4148) and from the diode to a cap + (200 volt 50uF)
the other end to the neg of the cap
from the + of the cap a led discharge to ground and a resistor (10K) to ground

at the frequ. about 20 KHz the led bright, with a digital voltmeter I can read -50 volt (minus !!!!) on the input of the diode;
only few volt on the + of the cap and on the scope I see a signal with 30 volt p/p
The collector coil remain cold, the mosfet the same. With upper and lower frequ. nothing happen.

I think its only an induction effect from the coil. But I don?t know the negative voltage.

Icarus

#### otto

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« Reply #2324 on: February 20, 2007, 02:21:38 PM »
Hello all,

@Icarus,

collector coil - soft IRON? NO iron in the TPU!!!!!

20kHz - digital voltmeter - no way to measure.

In the TPU is no iron core, no iron at all. With a digital voltmeter you cant measure 20kHz because this is a too high frequency and your digital voltmeter is showing you wrong readings.
Induction effect - maybe, not important.

Otto