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2tiger

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1575 on: October 25, 2006, 11:55:42 AM »
Hi all
In my post I ask you a question about the smaller sm-device:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg14577.html#msg14577

But nobody has answer this question, about the amount of the energy such a coil can store.

Now I do some math on this. Please take a look at it and reply if you see any mistakes.

So in theory its possible to store round about 130 Wh in this setup.
You would be able to light a bulb (180v / 100W) for round about one and a half hour.

Perhaps the sm-device is not a generator, perhaps its only very good batterie  ;).
But perhaps I?m complettly wrong!! :-[
kr
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1576 on: October 25, 2006, 12:16:48 PM »
Hello 2tiger,

weve been making progress with this device, especially from Guys experimenting like Dave, and others. This is not a battery, it is a device which is tuned into a certain frequency and then amplified, to produce power, I don't think modern day calculations will matter here, as it delivers as much power as required, hence thats why it gets warm.

This is pretty much Teslas technology were dealing with here, remember he went against mainline science at the time, as he believed energy was all around us, all we have to do is know how to tap into it. This is what SM's device does.

Ive just been reading about crystal radio sets, there quite easy to make, note they do not require batteries to operate, they get energy from the ether. http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html

Now look at his second prototype, the rings i believe are loop antenaas:-
The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.

The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies.

(*about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).

If it is required to connect the loop to a radio via its aerial input terminal then a second winding of just 1 turn of wire is wound over the main 10 turn winding.  This secondary winding acts as a coupling coil that is connected to a suitable socket so that a cable can be run from the loop aerial to the radio receiver.

END,

the rings on second version i believe are no more than loop antennas which boost the signals into the 4 collector coils in side the rings, The r8ings do look plastic, so he has the coils hidden inside, and the larger coil on bottom ring is the output.

there is probably differnt ways to make this, and easier would to make a tunning cct which will accept 7.8hz, as SM mentions tuned into earths magnetic field, then magnify/induce this into collector coils which have magnets placed on them.

Once you have this understanding, its easier to start to build it, otherwise you won't know where to start.

From the data ive so far collected and watching videos again especially his first and 2nd proto, and the clear pic Lindsay sent, it all starts to fall into place, And the fact that Dave and others have done really great work with their experiments, just pieces fall into place.

KInd Rgds,

Dom   ;D


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1577 on: October 25, 2006, 12:56:51 PM »
Here's the plan:-

2nd prototype, how it works:-

1) rings made of plastic, with coil wound inside the plastic to accept Long wave  *about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).
read up on this link its excellent, especially on loop antennas:- http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/crystalsets1.html

2) the rings freq is tuned by cap 7.8hz and rings will resonate at earths magnetic field.
3) 4 collector coils on inside rings with magnets placed to again magnify, and these very likely wired in series as Dave has found out, will cause rotational magnetic field, within the toroid.
4) this field is induced on larger coil winding on bottom ring.

power

Thats it

Dom    ;D

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1578 on: October 25, 2006, 01:12:25 PM »
I'll re-iterate further with connections, ive been thinking isolation here, like transformer

the 4 coils inside the two resonating rings are connected in series to each other, and thats it, there is no connection elsewhere, just to each other in series    e.g  c1----c2-----c3-----c4----back to c1

the loop antennas 2 x have these 4 coils placed inside, the induction is helped by placing the magnets on these 4 coils, think of magnet assist here. this helps in what is picked up from loop antennas into 4 coils, this gets a rotational field happening which is like jet engine, which sm mentions.

once this starts, its like starting up a generator, this in turn gets induced into larger coil, , so as you can see all coils are magnetically attached, no physical wires to each other....

brilliant

I think Tesla might be talking to my sub conscious or i have a gift....lol

Dom

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1579 on: October 25, 2006, 01:39:05 PM »
here's wiring diagram

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1580 on: October 25, 2006, 02:02:28 PM »
Hi Dave,

Just reading the operation of loop antennas again:-

http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
From Url:- Ive just taken bits and pieces:-

A Loop or Frame aerial is a wonderful tool to assist longwave and mediumwave reception....
....not only will it dramatically 'boost' the signal received compared to using a portable radio's internal ferrite rod aerial ........
..... the loop will tune very sharply to the required frequency will rejecting all others........
.... The bigger the area of the loop the more signal it will collect.....
.....The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.........

END

Now this last point gets me really thinking about the function of the magnets.

I read your post again, but you've eluded me abit, anyway I just thought id post  to help.
I'll have to read your post again, so to understand it better.

I'm really just going by SM's first video, its possible it could be one frequency that he is playing with, until i build the loops and stuff I wont know, but its promising.

Either way, we have some work ahead and I think we are doing quite well.

Sincerely,

Dom   :D


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1581 on: October 25, 2006, 02:14:32 PM »
Dave, I forgot to mention from the loop url, this very important point:-

....The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies. .....


END

Resonate, I think this is the key, like the tuning fork:-

My Understanding:-
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/sound/u11l4b.html

 The energy carried by this sound wave through the air is tuned  to the frequency of the second tuning fork. Since the incoming sound waves share the same natural frequency as the second tuning fork, the tuning fork easily begins vibrating at its natural frequency. This is an example of resonance - when one object vibrating at the same natural frequency of a second object forces that second object into vibrational motion.

The result of resonance is always a large vibration. Regardless of the vibrating system, if resonance occurs, a large vibration results. This was demonstrated in class with an odd-looking mechanical system ....


Sincerely

Dom ;)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1582 on: October 25, 2006, 02:29:35 PM »
Hi Dave,

The first video with one magnet, one that starts with chair:-  http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-8435800732540412467&q=steven+marks

Just reading your post again, correct me if im wrong, the loop antennas, 1 is tuned to say 5000hz and the other loop antenna
is tuned to say 5000.0078 hz   when the two are put together we get the 7.8, which then resonates at that freq, this inturn is induced into the 4 coils within the ring, causing rotational magnetic field to happen.

Dave do you have any thoughts on the wiring of all these coils?

What do you think of mine?

Dom   ;)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1583 on: October 25, 2006, 02:33:30 PM »
Dave, resonance might be part of the kicks, anyway wont know until we try.

I'm trying to keep this simple for starters, If what i say don't work, go back and make slight changes and record, as you mentioned.

I think Steven would have done the same, looking for that holy grail.....lol

Sincerely,   ;D

Dom

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1584 on: October 25, 2006, 05:35:07 PM »
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« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 06:56:37 AM by EMdevices »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1585 on: October 25, 2006, 05:39:19 PM »
Hello 2tiger,

weve been making progress with this device, especially from Guys experimenting like Dave, and others. This is not a battery, it is a device which is tuned into a certain frequency and then amplified, to produce power, I don't think modern day calculations will matter here, as it delivers as much power as required, hence thats why it gets warm.

This is pretty much Teslas technology were dealing with here, remember he went against mainline science at the time, as he believed energy was all around us, all we have to do is know how to tap into it. This is what SM's device does.

Ive just been reading about crystal radio sets, there quite easy to make, note they do not require batteries to operate, they get energy from the ether. http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html

Now look at his second prototype, the rings i believe are loop antenaas:-
The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.

The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of 7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at different frequencies.

(*about 40 to 50 turns for Long Wave).

If it is required to connect the loop to a radio via its aerial input terminal then a second winding of just 1 turn of wire is wound over the main 10 turn winding.  This secondary winding acts as a coupling coil that is connected to a suitable socket so that a cable can be run from the loop aerial to the radio receiver.

END,

the rings on second version i believe are no more than loop antennas which boost the signals into the 4 collector coils in side the rings, The r8ings do look plastic, so he has the coils hidden inside, and the larger coil on bottom ring is the output.

there is probably differnt ways to make this, and easier would to make a tunning cct which will accept 7.8hz, as SM mentions tuned into earths magnetic field, then magnify/induce this into collector coils which have magnets placed on them.

Once you have this understanding, its easier to start to build it, otherwise you won't know where to start.

From the data ive so far collected and watching videos again especially his first and 2nd proto, and the clear pic Lindsay sent, it all starts to fall into place, And the fact that Dave and others have done really great work with their experiments, just pieces fall into place.

KInd Rgds,

Dom   ;D



He used Hot Wheels track as a wire loop and trough guide! That makes it variable in size. Stinkin' genius. Thanks Dom ;)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1586 on: October 25, 2006, 06:05:05 PM »
Hey all:
   Well have been lurking in the back here for quite a while now just reading and catching up on all that has transpired. A couple of questions, a favor and then on to the bench test I did.

   First I would like to know if anyone has figured out the orientation of the magnets. What pole would face the rotation.
   Second the coils that are wound on the magnets of iron wire, where do they connect? If at all.

   The favor is I cant seem to find the "new picture" being talked about. Could someone here tag it to an email and then I can take a go at enhancement, enlargement and lightening. Linux has a great tool for this and I have taken pictures and made posters from them with great clarity.

   Now on to the bench. I was reading about the two coils in series and so wound a set of 4 200 turn coils on a 6 inch form. Then I wound a small coil paralell with a .01 cap on a 1/2X1X3 inch magnet. This was set inside the form and its output hooked to the scope. The form was driven with a sine wave gen. This would show almost a flat line until I started hitting the lower harmonics and then when I hit the resonat freq, the output would fill the scope screen. The last res freq was 29khz. Much too high but that shows the mag is definately latching these coils together. Just a coil doesnot do that.

   And lastly, sore fingers and all, I could not get any bounce off the powerwire wound with smaller. I did see the signal out but not with a bunch of harmonics or such. Just a good clean signal. What did I do wrong there?

Oh well, back to the bench for some more punishment.

Sugra


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1587 on: October 25, 2006, 06:24:59 PM »
In looking at the clear picture, 10in spool. SM10? It would be a plastic, Right? Pop metal or aluminum wouldn't be a good air coil. Steel, that is an RFC. We would have to hear him lay it down on something.
1 layer of coils. looks like 4, looking down through the spool you can see across another winding. All physically looks like 16g pair speaker wire, look at the one in front. Remember, he worked in audio. The coil on the right could be magnet wire, but zoom and look at the physical side pattern. It looks like the front windings. The lighting could be wrong. The one across looks the same. I would say there is another by his fingers. White leads look like they go into the windings.
Where the meter leads touch, looks like where the spool crank handle went. And underneath that one can see 2 white leads each connected to some kind of bundle. The parallel / serial connections posted earlier?
And once again, there is a lumpage inside the ring, under his thumb.
@tao, yes! a clear video would be an immense amount on formation just through things moving to change the angular perspective.

Is this a new or old picture? Is the coil(cat) finally out of the bag? Biggest question yet?
And since we see that this working device is minimal with one layer, OOOOOOwEEEEE. He did stack them then to produce more!


@mrd, don't know if you saw this already. I did the best I could to rip it apart from my view.

@cliff, thanks.

--giantkiller


From the latest picture posted by Mannix, showing SM holding the 2 toroidal stack  device, here's my observations:

1) I see the two lower quadrants are wraped with orange/reddish colored wires  (I like to think the rear two quadrants are wrapped as well, to maintain symetry, and I can almost see a reddish color in the darkend area) 

This arrangement resembles a 4 pole motor stator(almost) which certainly can create a conventional rotating magnetic field (like in AC motors etc..)  (has anybody taken an AC motor apart and powered the stator to see if it experiences a gyroscopic effect when moved about in the air?)

2) This device has a visible toroidal ring (1 inch diameter perhaps) placed on top, right where the probe is inserted, but I don't see wires wraped around it like in other configurations.  So it looks like ferrite toroids is a common theme in all the devices(perhaps not the smalles one seen on the glass top table)

3) Then there's a small gray bundle towards the rear top, some white wires go into it.  Also some boxes inserved between the toroids, and lets not forget the legs underneath (to keep the device off the table so it will cool better perhaps?) 

Conclusion:
This device is quite complicated but certainly shoes some interesting clues.  We need more info/diagram from SM/Mannix to really understand it.   When it comes to electric/magnetic systems, pictures certainly don't tell the whole story.  Its not like showing somebody an airplane,  where the main function of flight and lift is apparent from the shape. So without further direction its just speculation and a waste of time.

YO! I posted the similar findings before. Nothing terribly complex. I just couldn't see the collector. You need to go back read all the posts.
Nobody is wasting their time here. WE and I repeat, WE have treaded the beat of pictorial analysis to coil winding techniques to frequencies to experimentation to quantifiable results to theory and fact finding to calculations to radio  and antennae sciences. Back in April Elvis mentioned loop antennaes. I had requested radio experts way back in September when I read in here the collector was a loop antennae. Other posters have have gone thru this long arduous path also. And we are gaining ground!
So let me end with to counteract the naysaying.
Tao said before the year is up, marco said very soon. And I know the other experimenters are on this same rain of thought.
Hurray to those of us who have stuck it out and are not leaving till the MIB uncoil the devices from our dead bodies.
We got the gifts and we are using them.
Damn, I did this again without my cheerleader's uniform on!
Congrats so far, gentlemen.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1588 on: October 25, 2006, 06:30:10 PM »

He used Hot Wheels track as a wire loop and trough guide! That makes it variable in size. Stinkin' genius. Thanks Dom ;)
Hi,

Did I miss something?  Please explain!


Thanks,

Dave.

Hi,
you didn't miss anything. I was just commenting on his creative use of the perfect materials at hand. It is not that what was built there was viariable, but that with HotWheels track the loops can be made easily and any size. and with the track connectors it is easy to complete the loop.
Cheap prototype and production techiques are very valuable.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #1589 on: October 25, 2006, 07:50:22 PM »
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