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Take it With a Grain of Salt

On Oct. 13, 2006, Mark Goldes, CEO of Magnetic Power, Inc, said:  

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I would take this with a very great grain of salt. Our team has looked carefully at this technology claim. We can't see anything in the videos that can't be faked (via batteries or wireless transmission of power). We also are privy to a person from Sweden who lost $80,000 to an individual (now deceased) in Perth, Australia, who said he had the authority to represent the technology. Furthermore, there has to be something seriously wrong if all these years later -- nearly a decade -- there still is nothing in the marketplace. There has not been any further news of prototyping and testing.

Anyone is entitled to his own idea about this technology. But one's opinion about something can't change reality. For instance, the fact that one believes in God or not has absolutely no impact on His existence.

I am sorry to be so uncompromising, but the TPU is as real as the air we breathe or the water we drink. And anyone who is not convinced of it should not waste his time here. As for why the device is not yet on the market, I think the answer is pretty obvious, isn't?

Regards,

Jacob

P.S.: Sterlinga, please do not take this personally, you are welcome here. And by the way, your wife is very beautiful. What a lucky guy you are!

Quote from: giantkiller on October 14, 2006, 04:29:01 AM

We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.

--giantkiller, hence the name.

Giantkiller, you are 100% right! We are still barbarians! In fact I am not sure the world is ready for this technology. It is a shame to keep it aside because so many people could benefit from it. However, within the wrong hands, it could do much harm... So what shall we do? Personally, I don't know.

As for the dead scientists, some of them died from natural causes, like Nikola Tesla for instance. But let's think about it for a moment. Why has his name been carefully barred from just about every mainstream scientific litterature despite his formidable technical contribution to the world? Simply because he had the secret of free energy and wasn't greedy enough to withold this information. He wanted to share it with the world, free of charge! It is said that his plan for the magnifying transmitter was to build a huge version of it and locate it on a remote island in order to supply the whole planet with electrical energy. Now I wonder: where on a desolated island, away from everything, do you find so much electricity?

Regards,

Jacob

GAHHHH!!!! THE WORLD IS READY. I hate this friggin disdain for humanity... Leedskalnin thought the world wasn't ready for his technology, Bruce Perreault has said crap like that. That's the attitude that the friggin MIB's have and it's a pompous, self-righteous pile of bullshit! The Printing press caused more strife than this will, the Automobile did. AND STILL IS TODAY.. Now there's a technology that the world wan't ready for.. PETROLEUM!

Will it be hard before it gets better? YES! We buried our selves, now, we have to dig ourselves out, and it won't be pretty. People will die, they already have. But make no mistake, the world is ready. We are long past ready. Free energy technology should have, and COULD have been introduces several times.



@Z_P_E: according to my understanding of Tesla's and Gray's technology, does not involve magnetic fields, nor opposing fields. Like to see the references* as you have indicated.

Not perhaps, tesla, and gray's technologies, but check out Metal Detectors. They work on a principle similar, but opposite in application. They work by cancelling colliding magnetic fields, and detuning to cancel out the earth's field, so that they can detect eddy currents in metals.

I tink Tao, intended to post a link to a reference, but forgot. He wouldn't have starred it like that if He didn't.

@Tao, That's basically how I thought it worked too. (the second picture), but Marco's results, and That Mannix post are tripping me out. We just need someone to test our hypotheses that we've worked up over time, to put the question to rest once and for all. Are we on the right track.

Thanks Jacob...

I am posting regurjatative material for sole purpose of asking the same questions again.
Do we or are we going to get the wiring specs on the coils as in the diagrams and the frequencies:

The wire gauges of all, the inner & outter coils windings diameters and each coil diameter.
The number of turns of the collector.
I have derived that the inner and outter coils are pulsed and the collector is used for listening. Right? This loop stills looks like directional attennae.

3 coils are mentions. But the 1st great picture posted by Tao shows 3 collector, 3 inner, 1 outter. But the last picture truley shows 3 total. Based on that last one I've attached more 3d pix. Which diagram should we go by.

But the most important question now is do these things matter. If we go haphazardly winding then do any configurations work as long as the magnetic fields are generated and captured in the fashion by Tao's last description.
A number of experiementers here have gotten results that seem to add up to the big design.
I submit for your approval.

--giantkiller

GK, Sorry we don't have the specs on the specifics of the wiring of the TPU.

We know that the innermost circumferentially wound wire, that we are calling the collector is composed of a few turns of Stout, Multi-stranded wire. In the screengrabs I've seen, and the image manipulation we've done of those, it looks like no more than 3 or 4 turns..

The inner controls are wrapped around each of these collectors in "several segments", how many segments? We don't know. I would assume however it's an even number. However, If it's a triphase approach, then it's got to be divisible by thee, however it could be six, depending on how these are wired together. I have posted a diagram with four. A rotating compass however could indicate that the coils on either side of the toroid are wired in series to eachother since the south pole would have to be opposite the north one, or the compass would not spin. How many turns for each segment? Nobody knows. The gauge? Again nobody knows, but the smaller devices show bifilar windings around the upper disk on the part we can see that is exposed, and it's not a terribly heavy gauge.

The outer control coils encase all of the above.. On all three toroids. How are the toroids connected together? Two in parallel one in series? Two in series one in parallel? We don't know. If SM's remarks are to be taken as hints it would seem the former. Which would also line up with CTGLab's (Dave's) results with his transformers in phase. However, Steven talks about the interaction between coils connected OPPOSITE(inphase?) eachother, or out of phase which would mean they are not additive according to Dave's experimentation. Something else is in play. What we have not tested is the OPPOSITE eachother, whatever SM meant by that.

How is the outer winding around all three connected? Again, I don't know. We have only theory that needs to be tested by experimenters like yourself. It would seem to me that it's connected to the inner coils on one end, and the cap/resistor pairs on the other to form resonant LCs. But that's just speculation.

BTW.. does anyone know which page the hose analogy is on? I can't find it anymore.

Regards,
Gn0stik

Quote from: jacob on October 14, 2006, 06:48:16 PM

Quote from: giantkiller on October 14, 2006, 04:29:01 AM

We are still barbarians... We so speedily stand behind doubt and avarice and kill the dreams of visionaries so quickly.
I will not be condemned by the status quo. Sorry to defile this thread.

--giantkiller, hence the name.

Giantkiller, you are 100% right! We are still barbarians! In fact I am not sure the world is ready for this technology. It is a shame to keep it aside because so many people could benefit from it. However, within the wrong hands, it could do much harm... So what shall we do? Personally, I don't know.

As for the dead scientists, some of them died from natural causes, like Nikola Tesla for instance. But let's think about it for a moment. Why has his name been carefully barred from just about every mainstream scientific litterature despite his formidable technical contribution to the world? Simply because he had the secret of free energy and wasn't greedy enough to withold this information. He wanted to share it with the world, free of charge! It is said that his plan for the magnifying transmitter was to build a huge version of it and locate it on a remote island in order to supply the whole planet with electrical energy. Now I wonder: where on a desolated island, away from everything, do you find so much electricity?

Regards,

Jacob

GAHHHH!!!! THE WORLD IS READY. I hate this friggin disdain for humanity... Leedskalnin thought the world wasn't ready for his technology, Bruce Perreault has said crap like that. That's the attitude that the friggin MIB's have and it's a pompous, self-righteous pile of bullshit! The Printing press caused more strife than this will, the Automobile did. AND STILL IS TODAY.. Now there's a technology that the world wan't ready for.. PETROLEUM!

Will it be hard before it gets better? YES! We buried our selves, now, we have to dig ourselves out, and it won't be pretty. People will die, they already have. But make no mistake, the world is ready. We are long past ready. Free energy technology should have, and COULD have been introduces several times.

Hi Rich,

Please do not think that I speak out of disdain for humanity. Actually, it is quite the opposite. But unlimited energy to all can be frightening thought. Don't get me wrong: I like very much the idea of homeless people having their own portable heater. But honestly, thinking that the communist party of China who is well on its way to own ALL the manufacturing capabilities on this planet could also have ALL the energy it want scares me a little bit.

Regards,

Jacob

And lets not forget this one also:
(and to Jacob: you can't be seriously suggesting that YOU are the block between world domination by China getting free energy IF YOU let out the secrets of free energy, lol.)(you can keep whatever it is you want to go public about)(there will be no CARROT-DANGLING around here man)(Give it up, or let it be, boasting gets you no where)

Hi Tao,

No, I am not suggesting this, neither am I dangling a carrot. I am just honestly reacting to a post that was adressed to me.

Regards,

Jacob

Quote from: jacob on October 14, 2006, 08:55:55 PM

Hi Tao,

No, I am not suggesting this, neither am I dangling a carrot. I am just honestly reacting to a post that was adressed to me.

Regards,

Jacob

Hi Jacob,

I honestly respect that. Fine, allow me to ask a question then.

Have you ever seen a Steve Mark device in person, and if not, are you basing the knowledge about which you could go public, on your personal theories which you consider facts or on the insight or knowledge of someone who knows Steven Mark's devices?

tao

Hi Tao,

The answer to your question is C (on the insight or knowledge of someone who knows Steven Mark's devices)

Regards,

Jacob

@Tao,

first.....
I've studied your drawings of how the tpu could work and think you might be near. Just about your second drawing i have a remark.
I think it can't work that way because the flux of the inner control coils wouldn't go back around the outside of the same coil. Instead there would be just one big flux going around the toroid (the flux from one control coil would just link up with the next one).
So, in my opinion you're first drawing makes much more sense.

second....
It seems fairly easy to test your theory by winding two (opposite) coils and put a wire (collector) through it. Pulse it, and see if you can measure anything on the collector wire. Basicly that would just be an outcut of the toroid......

Maybe someone that has the equipment can test it.....

regards Dutchy

tao,

don't get me wrong, i really like your setup!!!!

giantkiller,

i think your three d is AWSOME!!!!  could you picture it with the two windings connecting in the center of the toroid, and the collector wire wrapped tirht around the inside?  i think then you will have something.  i am not talking tightly wound, but 1.618 larger diameter on the inside of your first looped coil to your horizontal, main collector and then 1.618 larger diamter for your outer looped coil greater than the middle.  then i think you will have something.  then connect your outer coil and inner coil through dave's first two parrellel transformers, and i think you will have something.

lol
sam