Hi EMdevices ,

Great reference info!! I never ever heard of TE resonance before. Would you know of any good, introductory references to the phenomena so I could read up on it? That would answer my question about figure out the diameter of the toroid for my TPU. I suppose that if we could somehow use TE resonance to make an almost standing wave in the toroid, then we could simply run the segmented wires in series to get the 90 degree phase offsets we need to create rotation?

God Bless,
Jason O

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Great results so far in the last days.

Marco, how did you drive your lamp
on the coils ?

Did you compare output versus input power yet ?

Many thanks !

Regards, Stefan.

mannix,
hey what if when you bent the iron rod in a circle, you then needed a third coil running in parrellel, to make it resonate.  then to control it you ran two over the top in series. and then ran them into one coil in parrellel.

i wonder if this can be tested with just simple transformers.  i keep coming back to that quote in my mind and the results dave was getting before going on holiday.  i don't mean for this thinking to throw anyone off a chosen experimental path.  just something else to think about from all that have come before us.

heck i'm still trying to get a grasp of one in parallel.

lol, keep up the good work,
sam

Hi all,

In regards to rotation of the magnetic field, I came across this experiment relating to electrolysis of water to make hydrogen.  By placing two ceramic magnets on the sides of the cell, the electrolyte (water would rotate).

Here is the link:  http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/mag4.html


"To make sure that it was indeed the permanent magnetic field which was causing the water to rotate around inside the cell I first removed the magnets. The water rotation slowed and within a minute or so, came to a stop. I then replaced the magnets so that like poles faced each other. No movement was observed in the water. Next, I reversed the orientation of the magnets from the way they were at first (north pole facing cathode and south pole facing anode) and the water began to spin around in the opposite direction as it had at first. Then I switched the orientation of the magnets back to their initial positions while the water was spinning and observed that the water slowed to a stop, then reversed direction and came back up to full speed. In all cases the water would accelerate up to a certain maximum speed and then maintain that speed of rotation for as long as the current continued to flow. This speed seeming to be determined by the combination of the following factors; 1) the amount of current flowing through the cell and 2) the strength of the permanent magnetic field.

 

 The question which presents itself here regards the mechanics by which the water below the electrodes is caused to spin. The electrical energy that is supplied to the cell is all accounted for within the process of electrolysis (between electrolytic conduction and heat losses) and since the amount of gas produced by  the the cell is not obviously diminished by causing the water below the electrodes to spin and because it takes energy to set any object into motion and then maintain that motion there must be another source of secondary or incidental energy that is being brought into play here by the configuration of the various components of the system and their orientation to and interaction with each other."


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Could it be possible that SM achieves rotation just by using the magnets as in this experiment?  Afterall, Steven did mention there were no massive electronics involved.  The electrodes would represent the verticle control coils and the collector coils would be represented by the rotating water.  There is an obvious rotating field here in this experiment.  Maybe this is a visual representation of the field of the TPU?

Hope this helps

Tishatang

Guys so really whatever we pickup, like white noise or schuman resonance, or the earths magnetic field, if this gets amplified due to the magnets being placed near the coil, which causes rotation or oscillation, therefore we have a moving magnetic field which will get induced into the collector coil, I reckon its that easy.......I went looking for steel wire today at local hardware store which has gardening section, i wasnt too happy about the steel wire i got as it was thin, but it was the only one they had that was insulated, im going to try and source wire from somewhere else, keep experimenting guys, your doing well   

Dom   by the way i'm from Oz    ...lol

marco, you can determine, instead of calculate, your resonance.    Use one of your toroids but only wrap a single coil on it. Lets say no more then 5 degrees of the toroid.

Then,  hook it up to an osilloscope and get a 9 volt battery and quickly connected to the leads as well.  It will hopefully creat a quick pulse that you can see on the scope,  .... but a short time later, (micro seconds or even nano seconds,  you will see another fainter pulse, its the pulse that traveled around the circumference.  (or just use electronics to create quick pulses)

Use this time and realize its the period for one full trip around the toroid.   If you want 1/2 wavelenth resonance, then the freqnecy is  f = 1/(2T) ,  where 'T' is this time you measured.  If you want 1/4 wavelenth resonance f=1/(4T), etc.

EMdevices,

In your opinion would we see the same effect with a stranded copper coil/core as you get with an solid iron wire core? I am sure the eddy currents would be potentially less due to the stranded wire.

Also, what is the formula to determine the wavelength of the core? would it be the same as a standard antenna? SM uses a 4" diameter coil on his smaller unit, we might be able to back into his wavelength since he mentions 5khz approx.

I am thinking the SM core is a partial wavelength (1/8, 1/4, etc...) would we need to worry about the tickler/control coil resonance or inductance as well? or would it be more important to worry about the length of the coil on the core (you mentioned 5 degrees of wrap). maybe both? 

I am thinking he is using the smaller torrids for a feedback mechanism for the oscillator (air core transformer idea) thus the position to the control coils would be potentially critical due to phase relationships to the cores resonance per your comment as to leading/lagging phases. He also mentioned multiple frequencies in his larger unit, so this may relate to the 2 smaller torrids (oscillators) in the core being 180 degrees out of phase on the larger core thus providing a signal mixing in the large core providing a moving field. What do you think?

regards,

Carl