Hi all,
Just recieved this.
Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 
December 1, 1995
 
Dear Steven,
 
Thank you for dinner the other night. I truly enjoyed the experience and the ride home together. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
 
When you get to be my age Stephen you have learned how not to ruffle feathers. If I were in your shoes I would do exactly what we discussed.
 
I have talked to my associate about the problems as you see it involving the heat created by your unit when generating power. He is willing to assist us in finding a solution and he does not feel it is an insurmountable problem.
 
The current involved no matter how slight must be a contributing factor, regardless. We must first consider all the working principles and decide how to go about solving the problem.
 
I look forward to seeing you and your unit at my laboratory around eight thirty on Saturday morning.
 
I will have only one observer and we will be otherwise alone.
I promise you that we will give an honest evaluation of everything we observe and will attest to what we find.
 
If you need to talk to me first you may leave a message for me at my office at the University of California Irvine.
 
Sincerely,
 
Roland
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Roland Schinzinger
PhD.
29 Gilman St. Irvine, CA 92715-2703, Phone & FAX: (714) 786-7691
 

Second report on Energy Device
 
At the request of Steven Mark I agreed to thoroughly test his invention of an energy device “toroid” at my laboratory at the UCI campus.
With me was John Sanchez who will act as an observer and Mr. Mark who will operate his device for the tests.
 
The device is reported to develop measurable amounts of electric power beyond any known battery or storage device. In fact the inventor claims that his device will create electric power indefinitely as long as it is permitted to cool at intervals.
 
Mr. Mark arrived promptly at 8:30 AM and wasted no time in permitting my examination of two units.
The first unit was roughly shaped like a large donut. It measured approximately 4.72” across with an inside diameter hole of 3” making a core width approximately 1” thick
The unit was exactly 2” tall, resembling a “Toroid”. I did not measure the weight however the unit was extremely light when held in the hand.
 
Mr. Mark connected the unit directly to a 100 watt 120 volt incandescent light bulb and caused the unit to operate. It did in fact illuminate the incandescent bulb quite brightly. I measured the voltage at 137 volts D.C. exactly, (ObS). See note*
I then measured the current flowing through the wires to the bulb at a steady one-ampere, (ObS).
We noted the time at 9:06 AM.,(ObS).
We next measured the light output from the bulb with a luminescence meter and noted that it read2.5, (ObS). Next we measured a similar incandescent bulb placed in a socket powered from the main 120 volt (as measured) AC power provided to the laboratory. It measured 2.4 on the luminescence meter. This can probably be accounted for because the voltage as measured from the Toroid device is 137 volts and therefore 12 volts greater, generating a slight increase in light output over the incandescent light powered by the laboratory main power supply system.
The toroid device did indeed provide the standard voltage and current necessary to provide electric lighting for a 120-volt circuit.
The inventor then asked us for another bulb, which we provided him and he set about connecting the second bulb along with the first.
The second bulb was connected in parallel to the first and did indeed light just as brightly as the first.
I measured 137 volts now across the output just as before although the load had doubled and the impedance halved (ObS).
I measured the current flowing to the two bulbs at just less then 2-amperes, (ObS).
The inventor stated that the unit would provide the two amperes at 137 volts for several hours, if not indefinitely. We were cautioned that the unit while in operation would generate heat leading to self-destruction if not shut down and permitted to cool. He claimed that after cooling the unit could be restarted and used again over and over.
We permitted the first unit to remain in operation and provide power for the two incandescent bulbs while we turned our attention to the second larger unit the inventor brought with him for testing.
 
The second unit was again toroid shaped with a large hole in the center. It was approximately 15” at the outside and 13 “ inside with a core thickness of approximately 1”.  The unit was 4” tall. The unit was not measured in weight but could be easily lifted with one hand, (ObS).
 
The inventor started the second larger unit in operation and cautioned myself and Mr. Sanchez not to touch the output leads from the device as they were at lethal potential. The time was 9:39 AM.
The inventor measured the output leads and told us there was 600 volts potential at several amperes.
He connected the unit to five 120 volt 100 watt incandescent light bulbs as provided by myself. The larger second unit did indeed brightly light the five incandescent bulbs brightly. These bulbs were wired in series.
I measured the current through the wire connected to the 5-bulbs at 1.1 ampere, (ObS). I measured the voltage at 614 volts D.C., (ObS).
 
The inventor then connected another five 120 volt light bulbs along with the first five making a total of ten 120 volt, 100 watt incandescent light bulbs lighting at equal intensity.
I measured the light output with a luminescence meter at 2.43 each light bulb, (ObS). I did not measure the current but calculated it to be 2 amperes at 614 volts.
I asked the inventor if this was the limit of the unit and he replied, “by no way.”
He provided a quick blow fuse rated at 50 amperes.
With two large electrical clamps and wiring, he shorted the fuse across the output terminals of the toroid and destroyed the fuse, (ObS). There was only a slight flickering of the ten incandescent bulbs as observed although there was a tremendous discharge of sparks from the output terminals of the toroid unit.
The inventor then gave me the fuse for examination. It was warm to the touch and smelled acrid, (ObS). It was a large 240 volt AC air conditioner disconnect fuse and designed for severe service duty, (OsS).
The inventor’s claim that the large toroid output terminals were at lethal potential was no longer in question.
 
The time was 11:20 AM when the inventor removed the small toroid unit from operation because of heat build up.
I examined the small toroid unit and it was indeed quite hot to the touch.
 
The unit had been in steady operation for exactly two hours and fourteen minutes.  Noted: 2-hours and 14 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 2- amperes at 137-volts did not change through the test period.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 

The time was 12:47 when the inventor removed the large toroid device from operation.
It had been in constant operation for three hours and eight minutes.
Noted: 3-hours and 8 minutes, (ObS).
 
The load of 10-amperes and the voltage of 614 volts did not change throughout the test with the exception that the voltage did began to fluctuate at 12:03 and began a slight decline to 598 volts by the end of the test. This could be due to heating of the unit while in operation.
 
I can personally state that I do not know of any battery or storage device of this size or weight with this capability.
 
I cannot determine how many hours the toriod units could potentially operate because of our limited time available for testing.
I can however state with relative certainty I believe the tests show great potential for this Toroid technology.
 
 
 
December 12, 1995                                                      Roland Schinzinger

Hello all,

tao

I?m looking at your pictures and the second reminds me on my TPU!
Today I?ll try to close one of the collector coils so I?ll have one closed ring and the coils (two of them) around the ring will be pulsed. I think it will be interesting to see what will happen.

Regards

Otto

Things are really heating up here. Last night I was doing some testing with my ferrite core see http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13486.html#msg13486 post for the description of the core setup. I connected A1 to negative and then skipped A2 continued the negative through A3 and A4 at the end of A4 I connected the positive. I connected my listing device to B3 to listen to the signal in the secondary coil. I pulsed the negative on A1 with a 555 driving an npn transistor. I noticed at certain frequencies I could hear something slowing down. Like a hum when it seem to stop moving I got the best measurements. This is what I got: The circuit was using 10ma to drive the coil on the core I connected the A2 coil to the amp meter through a diode --|>--, the amp meter showed 29ma. When I connected the amp meter to A2 the sound changed, became sharper. Now I connected a 6v 75ma light in between the positive driving A1-A4 and I also connected a 6v 75ma light to the A2 coil. The light on A2 lit about half brightness and the light between the driver did not light at all. I then placed a resistor in place of the driver light and also placed a resistor of the same on the A2 coil. The driving resistor showed 1.2 volts across the resistor but the second resistor on A2 only showed .8 volts. Thus looks like I am still using more watts to drive the circuit than I am getting out  . What surprised me was that all my BEMF tests have never shown a 3x gain in ma, nor have I seen a 3x gain in ma when using 2 coils wrapped on a ferrite rod. Keep on keeping on folks.

C0mster                   

Sorry to drop this in as I will be the one to hate for a bit..  GK needs a target.  Also, take this in the right light.

Has someone posted a CLEAR detailed how to make/wrap the coils that work (or seems to be close)?  Everyone has coils made that are offering infomation on their projects.  Maybe a link to what they are doing (not others site)?  Does anyone agree on a coil type, wraps, guage, core, etc.  I see the one type most think are it, but that is just the type of coil.  And the video looks like this is the one SM is using?

What to wrap them on (or what seems to be close)?  What shape (OK we have the shape)? 

How to arrange them?  How to connect them?  What to drive them with? 

I am reading everyday and feel like I have a couple hours a night I am not using.  I can do the driving part (not expert in the other areas).  But with no coils and arrangement it means nothing.  And I have scopes and meters (way too many).  But some people are not up on what others are.  Maybe more detail will get more people in the project.

I see people argue about direction, etc.

If you are close (in what you think is is right), share more detailed information.  If you are not close, share more information.

It looks like everyone is running in different directions and never totally agree.  And from a very old looking video.

Tao looks like the winner from where I sit.  I would like to get my hands in it, but I would need coil info and arrangement.

No hate Mramos, is that Mr. Amos? or M. Ramos? You are correct, we don't have the exact coil set up nailed down yet. We haven't even tested all of the theories that we have bout the coil arrangements. It's rather frustrating I bet being someone who wants to work on the drive circuitry and not having any coils to work with.

The specifics we do know about the coil (as far as I understand it are attached... corrections are welcome folks), I decided on this route as opposed to trying to explain it, as it just got too complicated, the more I went on. This is a visio drawing, so I have the vsd if anyone has visio and would like to modify it.

Hope this helps mramos, the more the merrier.

BTW if you have any extra equipment laying around and wouldn't mind getting rid of it for a song, let me know...

Quote from: mramos on October 05, 2006, 02:09:25 AM

I see people argue about direction, etc.

If you are close (in what you think is is right), share more detailed information.  If you are not close, share more information.

Hi,

I created a yahoogroups site for us all to share information on, where pics, diagrams and data can be freeley uploaded by anyone and easily accessed without searching pages of thread.

Also I will create a page dedicated to this on my website where I will store all my experiments, readings, etc and make it all as clear as possible.



Regards,


Dave.

I also have a website with forums, blogs, image sharing/uploading etc. Rather like yahoo groups but a bit less clunky if anyone would be interested in starting up some stuff over there. It's pretty bare right now, and needs people to populate it with info etc. anyway. You will need accounts though. Also I'm looking for people to upload info and keep the site popping, as I don't have time. I tried this once before but it was too buggy. Most bugs are worked out now however.

www.gn0sis.com

Finer tuning on the LC trap circuit with a diode path after. This will catch the kicks and not let them escape. With the Dc gone the device should run cooler than above the DC potential?

Marco makes a good point.  A resonant circuit for 7.8Hz is going to require a very very large coil of many henrys and large capacitor.  More than is present in the SM device.

Logically though it is likely the 7.8Hz is the product of something, ie rather than he purposely generates 7.8Hz.  It is the result of some interaction with this natural waves.  7.8Hz is too precise a figure otherwise and I guess we are coming back to Tesla MT!

But it is possible to wire a telsa coil in reverse and extra energy from the air in this mannor as our friend posted earlier - http://www.keelynet.com/energy/device.htm

Waiting for Taos post!



Regards,

Dave.

Dave,

Remember the sum/difference of signal mixing

try a 5khz mxed with a difference signal of 5.007.8khz. Those signals are far more achivable than the 7.8 directly.


Carl

Would this be enough milliheneries?

The white centers are PVC. Coils are air core. The coil spools just slide on and are connected together.
The gold centers are the  3 inner coils. I will use 1/2 copper pipe. This gives me twice the electron flow surface area.
The bronze cans are prewound coils interconnected center wire to outer wire. These constitute the inner containment windings for field compression.
The Green cans are prewound coils interconnected center wire to outer wire. This could be 12 gauge romex.These constitute the outter containment windings for field compression. These coils are wired in series per layer and in parallel by layer or the other way.

I connect all corresponding corners together and power this just like the SM devices. The idea here is I will not have to wind any coils. This give me an expediant production model. I can make this any size.
Totally atomic, dudes!

@Marco: I can wire this like yours.

Any comments?