Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" (Read 1243103 times)

eldarion · « **Reply #2385 on:** April 16, 2007, 05:53:41 AM »

Quote from: bob.rennips on April 16, 2007, 01:39:43 AM

Quote from: weri812 on April 14, 2007, 04:09:26 AM
@eldarion

how about this

Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?

My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:

1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.

There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching off. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.

Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:

1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as the momentary collapse voltage; possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.

From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?

Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?

I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.

Cheers, Bob

Bob,

I am having the same problem.

Otto, Mannix, et al.: What is the effect supposed to be, for example, on a scope? Everything I have done has shown no anomaly. I can post some pics if you like of the coil setup. The only difference is that I am using an IRF640 which can handle higher current and shut off faster than an IRF840, so I would think that it would be better!

Is the fact that I am using speaker wire a problem? It is the same multistranded copper wire as could be found in cheap lamp wire. Do I need more copper strands in the collector wire?

I really want to get this thing working!

Eldarion

otto · « **Reply #2386 on:** April 16, 2007, 07:25:53 AM »

Hello all,

WOOOW,

things are moving!!!! Finally!!! Im happy again!!!!!

@Mr. Mannix,

you nailed it!!!!

Something from almost nothing or to say it better something from a little collector coil and hugh kicks from only 50 turns of wires, yes, you all missed it. Yesterday I was going back a lot of steps and made again my little test.

End result: depending on used frequency I had kicks over 400V on my scope. You dont trust me??? Tomorrow you will have all the nessesary pictures to make you own tests!! Of course I will try to make a photo of my kicks.

But this thes is also the evidence that we, I mean you, have to rewind your TPUs and think in another way.

@IS

this will be more and more amazing

@Dan

exactly, very nice picture

@Bob

a little question, if allowed:

What will happen if I connect my bulb not to the minus but to the plus (power supply)??

To say it in a few words: When the bulb is connected as in my picture. The oscillator is OFF. I have a bulb lighted at 12V. The oscillator is ON. I have, depending on used frequencies a light bulb shining with 12V or, when I change the frequency, a bright shining bulb with 24V. My coil acts as a particle accelerator and my 1 turn collector coil amplifies my kicks.

I hate theories but when you make my test you can see the clear evidence of my words.

Otto

otto · « **Reply #2387 on:** April 16, 2007, 07:34:28 AM »

Hello all again,

guys, please, forget the old TPUs. Forget how you wound them. It was a totally wrong way. Youre loosing your time and your hard earned money!!!!

If possible, please NO PMs and NO MAILS. I have NOT so much time to answer. Sorry.

Just make the little amazing test. This test will show you how to make your new TPUs.

They are easy to built, fast to built and extremly cheap.

Otto

bob.rennips · « **Reply #2388 on:** April 16, 2007, 07:46:47 AM »

Quote from: Mannix on April 16, 2007, 01:46:08 AM

Quote from: bob.rennips on April 16, 2007, 01:39:43 AM
Quote from: weri812 on April 14, 2007, 04:09:26 AM
@eldarion

how about this

Am I right in assuming the diagram in the above quote (need to go to the quote to see diagram) is correct, in regards to what Otto is basically doing ?

My understanding of what this circuit should do in a traditional electrical sense is:

1. The pulse is OFF, the 12volts goes through the coil and lights the bulb.
2. When pulse in ON, the lamp is shorted out, and goes OFF. Because the lamp is shorted out there is no voltage drop across the lamp so the coil sees a larger voltage across its terminals which means a larger current and hence a larger magnetic field in the coil.
3. When the pulse goes OFF, the lamp is no longer shorted out, causing a voltage drop across the lamp, which in turn means a lower voltage across the coil terminals. This means part of the magnetic field of the coil must collapse rapidly. A rapidly collapsing magnetic field will put a reverse voltage spike onto the wire.
4. The voltage spike will dissipate as a momentary high current through the lamp, causing the lamp to momentarily glow much brighter.

There will be an optimum point where the frequency is such that the OFF period is just long enough to allow the coil to reach maximum magnetic field for the applied voltage before switching off. In the same way that you don't see an AC supplied 50Hz tungstun filament light flicker, you will not see the flickering of the bulb.

Expected observations from a tradition electronics view point should be:

1. A cheap volt meter will read the voltage as the momentary collapse voltage; possibly as high as 30volts. It won't give you a correct averaged over time volts reading.
2. The persistence of image on the retina will give the impression that with the pulser the light is brighter than without the pulser.

From what you describe the theoretical observations appear to match your real world observations ?

Have you confirmed that if you keep the above circuit the same but have the coil no longer wrapped around the central wire that the observations are different ?

I do believe totally in the TPU existence but do not understand the significance you attach to this circuit and observations. I would appreciate if you could expand on your findings and thinking.

Cheers, Bob

JUST DO THE TEST ok?

Thanks Mannix your comment is true to form.

But it would have been more helpful if you could have confirmed if this is the correct diagram as per my very first question.

So is this the right diagram or not ?

Have you tried pulsing with the wire NOT going through the center of your coil.
What different effects do you observe ?

JUST DO THIS TEST.

I have now done this and there is NO DIFFERENCE.

innovation_station · « **Reply #2389 on:** April 16, 2007, 08:02:15 AM »

@ everyone i will be over time repairing some of my more important posts i would ask the newer people to have a look at after i replace it sorry for removing but i was confused at that time

@ otto i cant wait

@ everyone it seams the learning never ends

IS TEAM!!

bob.rennips · « **Reply #2390 on:** April 16, 2007, 08:15:51 AM »

Quote from: otto on April 16, 2007, 07:25:53 AM

End result: depending on used frequency I had kicks over 400V on my scope. You dont trust me??? Tomorrow you will have all the nessesary pictures to make you own tests!! Of course I will try to make a photo of my kicks.

Excellent. Look forward to seeing a photo of your setup as well so I can confirm how you have things connected. I don't see anywhere near 400 volts on my scope.

Could you show exactly where you are putting the probe and where you are connecting the reference voltage for the probe.

Quote from: otto on April 16, 2007, 07:25:53 AM

What will happen if I connect my bulb not to the minus but to the plus (power supply)??

I tried it. The light is even slightly brighter (hard to tell) than in the previous test. But this is because now when you pulse OFF, the entire magnetic field of the coil is collapsing, causing a current to flow through the lamp much like a protection diode across a solenoid.

AGAIN, you get the SAME result whether the wire is in the center of the coil or whether the coil is empty.

Have you tried this

?? How do you explain this

??

Quote from: otto on April 16, 2007, 07:25:53 AM

To say it in a few words: When the bulb is connected as in my picture. The oscillator is OFF. I have a bulb lighted at 12V. The oscillator is ON. I have, depending on used frequencies a light bulb shining with 12V or, when I change the frequency, a bright shining bulb with 24V. My coil acts as a particle accelerator and my 1 turn collector coil amplifies my kicks.

This is exactly what you'd expect from standard electrical thoery and is exactly what I said.

Like I said look forward to seeing how your setup is achieving the results you state.

But please do the test I suggest. I sincerely want to know if the center wire in the coil really is making a difference in YOUR setup. In mine it makes didley squat difference.

xilusma · « **Reply #2391 on:** April 16, 2007, 09:12:24 AM »

Hi Otto,

Hope to see your new setup.

It would be a big boost to the forum since a long time.

Regards,

p/s still doing with my TPU

Jdo300 · « **Reply #2392 on:** April 16, 2007, 09:15:16 AM »

Hi Everyone,

@Otto,

Great to hear the results you are getting. Looking forward to the info from your tests.

@Everyone else

Here's the picture again of Otto's coil setup for all the newbies that may want to replicate it.

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=7970;image)

God Bless,
Jason O

otto · « **Reply #2393 on:** April 16, 2007, 10:18:31 AM »

Hello all,

I always thought Im only a little coil winder. Now, today, after my work, I have to be a photographer or how you say it. Ha,ha.

@Bob

As we have NO minuses or ground connected to a TPU I connected my bulb to the plus from the power supply. Maybe there is a little change in brightness but this we can ignore. The point is: NO MINUS IN THE TPU. Of course my picture is NOT wrong, in this moment it is only important to have big kicks.

Or maybe someone of you folks saw in the videos that SM used a ground or minus connection and I missed it??? Of course not.
Collector outside the coil...hmmm... yes, I tried it but dont remember exactly. I will try this today again. But be sure, if this would be good I would use it. I think the kicks are not soooo big or so. Yes, yes, I will make my homework and the tests.

You have to know Im a extremly fast working guy. I make a test, see, if good, ok, if Im not satisfied, then I forget it, its canceled from my little brain.
And so I was doing in the past with your various links, patents...and all other stuff that you all guys showed us (not the posts). A quick look at the shown link or patent, saw just 1 drawing, canceled from my brain. Sorry guys.

Otto

Jdo300 · « **Reply #2394 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:23:24 AM »

Hi Otto,

That is interesting that you have the bulb connected to the positive side of the battery. What is now happening then is the whole collector has a "DC Bias" on it now. I am going to retest this again to see if I get a different result than the first test. But now I am just wondering where the minus from the Oscillator goes? Does it go to the positive of the power supply also? And just to be clear once more, the positive lead from the function generator/oscillator goes onto the coil, and the negative lead from the function generator/oscillator goes to the positive of the battery?

God Bless,
Jason O

Jdo300 · « **Reply #2395 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:39:47 AM »

Ok, that last diagram I posted makes absolutely no sense. Here's a better one. Otto can you please correct me on the connections? I know you said there are no minuses or grounds in the TPU so can you clear up for me where the minus for the function generator goes. Also, I changes the position of the bulb in the picture. Was this what you meant by the bulb being connected to the positive?

God Bless,
Jason O

otto · « **Reply #2396 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:45:00 AM »

Hello all,
@Jason

Minus from power supply AND minus of oszillator AND Source(minus) of MOSFET - connect TOGETHER.
Plus from power supply connect to 50 turns coil AND 1 turn collector. This 1 turn collector goes through the 50 turns coil.

From power supply +12V
Use a IRF 840 MOSFET!!!!

DONT MIX PLUS AND MINUS!!!!! NO WAY!!! YOU WILL BURN YOUR OSZILLATOR!!!!!

The result should be the same but the point is that we now DO NOT have a minus on our setup and in future in our TPU.

Tomorrow you will see everything.

Otto

sulake · « **Reply #2397 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:56:59 AM »

Quote

things are moving!!!! Finally!!! Im happy again!!!!!

Good for you Otto.

As I red the messages I noticed nobody even paid attention to the message of bob.rennips in this page:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.2380.html

IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m totally with Bob here. That is exactly how OttoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s coil setup would behave.
I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t see anything abnormal in here nor do I see that any excess energy would come out of this. It is just like any pulsed coil like this:
(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/coil.JPG)

Although, OttoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s and all other experiments, the documentation really sucks! Nobody can not repeat your tests or even your circuits because lack of documentation.

OttoÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s oscillators output stage has two transistors NPN & PNP? So what is the circuit of it? We can not repeat your experiments if the info is not given!

And depending on the oscillator stage output, your circuit will not add the 12V and the 5V pulse voltage! When the pulse is ON, the coil will have a voltage 12V-5V=7V so the coil is actually pulsed with 5V pulses so that the voltage goes like 12V-7V-12V-7VÃ¢â‚¬Â¦

Guys! If you have oscilloscopes PLEASE! PLEASE! show the voltages here please.

Please give all info possible of your experiment!
You can not use multimeter to measure anything when using high frequencies!
Use oscilloscope to measure the voltage of the coil and then use a small 1ohm resistor in series to calculate the current, multimeter will not give correct current/voltage when high frequency pulses are present.

1. Show us everything or it is useless otherwise.
2. Document everything including the shape of the voltage in oscilloscope

If you have digital Tectronix scope it is possible to take Ã¢â‚¬Å“screenshotsÃ¢â‚¬Â in some models, these are the best documentation with exact circuit diagram. Photos are nice too

Enjoyable experimentig to all
-jarkko

otto · « **Reply #2398 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:07:40 PM »

Hello all,

here the circuit

Otto

sulake · « **Reply #2399 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:25:48 PM »

So it's the same as this in that how it works.
Can you post some pictures of the voltages from your scope?

(http://www.jarkonkotisivu.org/temp/pulse.JPG)

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