Hi everybody,

Some info from the theory of signals, while digging in my memory, based on University lectures many years ago.
I don?t remember all the mathematics behind it but I do remember the results. SM has mentioned about two transformers with two out-of phase signals. Many years ago there was, for a short time, a radio phase-modulated transmission. Simply saying, a single frequency with phase modulation. The funny thing about phase modulation is that the spectrum of the signal is very close to the spectrum of the frequency modulation, which means MULTIPLE FREQUENCIES. Indeed, the phase-modulated signal is easily converted to the frequency-modulated signal by using a simple RC circuit and can be applied to a very standard FM receiver.
Another thing, if you want to get a phase-modulated signal, you can use heavy electronics or you can use two frequencies where a difference in phase is not a constant. The phase difference MUST be a function itself. This can be achieved by using two different frequencies close to each other in nominal. Depending on the difference between two frequencies the spectrum of the multiple frequencies will move further or closer to the central line/base frequency on both sides from the center/base frequency.

Regards.

Hi,

Its funny ... was just playing with 25m copper cable and when put small neo ring magnet on it, it vibrates and spin nicely. Check video.

coil was fed with 4.3V AC through 10ohm resistor (~0.3A)

greetings,
Marcel

In reference to tubes (cirucit potential) (like insignificant magnetic field?):

From Mannix, SM letter, post on page one: <snip>
All we have to do is tap into that energy and all our energy wishes come true.
I found the secret when I read in some books about electron tubes. I was a TV repair man as well. Back in the days of electron tubes. The good old days I think.

another Mannix post on page one, quoting from SM letter:  <snip>
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.  The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

Kent

This is based on the Tesla 390721 patent.
We are going to used the same words that SM and everybody has been using, ok?
Focus on the transformer. Through this thread everybody has looked dead at it some time or another. But based upon the SM descriptions most everybody has taken those words into their own experiences and knowedge and has tried to apply them. Mannix has said, and others, that the answer is right in our noses. So here we go.
Back to the transformer...
@MRD,
your wiring pic is the output. Try mapping the input side. It sure is different.

@everybody, the input is what is odd. I posted a flash file showing what the fields look like when rotating. This is not theory. Look at this again.
When the term 'out of phase' is used it can point to the two pairs of coils being driven against each other. Because when we think about rotating fields it has been shown here we all think they going the same way.
When the term 'Counter rotating' is used this can be left to interpretaion. The coils them selves are driven backward every 180d. My flash script shows that.
When the term 'Two frequencies' is used it can mean a different thing. Look at the transformer again. There are 2 pairs. Each being driven at different times. A good explanation would be two frequencies, whether the same or not. A simple explanation about two seperate drives. Looking at from the coil side, a good description to the uneducated would be just that. Example, We have a guy in business clothes that grabs two hot wires and injures himself. I would have stuck a piece of wire across them if I thought I was witnessing a fraud or something incredable. We now already have our first victim. And the horse is not even out of the barn yet. Thanks Mannix.
When we look at the 4 coils we all jumped on and went down the path of firing these in sequence. The Telsa transformer is being fired in pairs 180d out, forward and backward, forward and backward, forward and backward.
Yes. Since this whole thread has been by obscurity, then try listening to the semantics instead of the technical. It paints a whole different picture. If you look at my avatar, you can see all those the posts to connect to. IT consists of 4 segment of bifilar pairs, all equal turns on an iron core. This platform can be connected by either technical instructions or reconnected/jumpered to fit any type of semantical implication. My controller has the same attributes. I can jump to the next reconfiguration at a moments notice. Nothing exotic, just flexible like any experimentation test bed is. And in following these posts it is still hard to keep up.
In the Tesl 390721 patent, he mentions the output at Item 60 and mentions the motor also. He does mention the odd transformer at item 80. But only as output. Did I miss something here? As I said in my previous post, this is strange. Is he hiding something here? In patents, only pertainent items are entered. Anything in diagrams has to be fully explained. You just don't stick things in the patent documents without acknowledging them with some kind of cross reference. That is mandatory. So what is up with the transformer. The small reference at item 80 doesn't pay hommage to how that thing is fired. Especially with driving power of what the patent is stated to be about. I hope I am missing something.

@Mannix,
Your avatar shows a guy on a motorcycle tied to a hanglider or parawing with a helmet on. The helmet will do him no good. If he falls on his head he breaks his neck. If he is lucky to land upright (been there done that) he has 150lbs of metal splitting his crouch in two directions. There is one law of nature that is never advertised to the uninitiated hangglider watcher. That is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete'. Do I know you from somewhere? Or are you posting to see who can see beyond the boundaries here?

--giantkiller. Do I need to put on my xray goggles?

A tube "powers" up and powers down....the TPU "winds" up and winds down.

Kent

This is based on the Tesla 390721 patent.
We are going to used the same words that SM and everybody has been using, ok?
Focus on the transformer. Through this thread everybody has looked dead at it some time or another. But based upon the SM descriptions most everybody has taken those words into their own experiences and knowedge and has tried to apply them. Mannix has said, and others, that the answer is right in our noses. So here we go.
Back to the transformer...
@MRD,
your wiring pic is the output. Try mapping the input side. It sure is different.

@everybody, the input is what is odd. I posted a flash file showing what the fields look like when rotating. This is not theory. Look at this again.
When the term 'out of phase' is used it can point to the two pairs of coils being driven against each other. Because when we think about rotating fields it has been shown here we all think they going the same way.
When the term 'Counter rotating' is used this can be left to interpretaion. The coils them selves are driven backward every 180d. My flash script shows that.
When the term 'Two frequencies' is used it can mean a different thing. Look at the transformer again. There are 2 pairs. Each being driven at different times. A good explanation would be two frequencies, whether the same or not. A simple explanation about two seperate drives. Looking at from the coil side, a good description to the uneducated would be just that. Example, We have a guy in business clothes that grabs two hot wires and injures himself. I would have stuck a piece of wire across them if I thought I was witnessing a fraud or something incredable. We now already have our first victim. And the horse is not even out of the barn yet. Thanks Mannix.
When we look at the 4 coils we all jumped on and went down the path of firing these in sequence. The Telsa transformer is being fired in pairs 180d out, forward and backward, forward and backward, forward and backward.
Yes. Since this whole thread has been by obscurity, then try listening to the semantics instead of the technical. It paints a whole different picture. If you look at my avatar, you can see all those the posts to connect to. IT consists of 4 segment of bifilar pairs, all equal turns on an iron core. This platform can be connected by either technical instructions or reconnected/jumpered to fit any type of semantical implication. My controller has the same attributes. I can jump to the next reconfiguration at a moments notice. Nothing exotic, just flexible like any experimentation test bed is. And in following these posts it is still hard to keep up.
In the Tesl 390721 patent, he mentions the output at Item 60 and mentions the motor also. He does mention the odd transformer at item 80. But only as output. Did I miss something here? As I said in my previous post, this is strange. Is he hiding something here? In patents, only pertainent items are entered. Anything in diagrams has to be fully explained. You just don't stick things in the patent documents without acknowledging them with some kind of cross reference. That is mandatory. So what is up with the transformer. The small reference at item 80 doesn't pay hommage to how that thing is fired. Especially with driving power of what the patent is stated to be about. I hope I am missing something.

@Mannix,
Your avatar shows a guy on a motorcycle tied to a hanglider or parawing with a helmet on. The helmet will do him no good. If he falls on his head he breaks his neck. If he is lucky to land upright (been there done that) he has 150lbs of metal splitting his crouch in two directions. There is one law of nature that is never advertised to the uninitiated hangglider watcher. That is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete'. Do I know you from somewhere? Or are you posting to see who can see beyond the boundaries here?

--giantkiller. Do I need to put on my xray goggles?

Regarding counter rotating fields. We've talked about this extensively in the past. This thread is moving so fast now that it's hard to really focus on anything that's not in the last 50 pages. The problem is, at the time we were talking about counter rotating fields, nobody even had rotating fields in one toroidal segment much less two with counter rotating fields. Shortly after this marco had been conducting his stacking experiments.

We had talked about, if anyone remembers, rotating one field in one direction at a specific rpm, and in the other a bit slower, or faster, so that we would get a net unidirectional rotation in one direction, while at the same time "Squeezing the hose" in that direction, as per Lindsay's hypothesis, which came a bit later.

The frequency could be the frequency of the DC pulses, the time it takes to the pulse to make one single revolution, or it could be an actual RF frequency.. However in context, and with other other posts, as reference, it's definitely referring to an RF frequency. You simply cannot get a fire discharge like that without a significant RF component. Current + voltage is one thing, and can  easily kill you with duration, as someone pointed out.. However Current + Voltage + High frequency, and burn you to a crisp while killing you.

@Mannix: I assume that poor gentleman's hand looked like it had come out of a Mc'Donald's deep fryer.

The frequency of the DC pulses (how often we pulse the coil) does matter however. It's just not what they are talking about when they say "multiple frequencies." Read the context.

Regarding the gyroscopic aspect: It's the result thousands of minute mechanical movements in the TPU while in operation... End of story, there is no other way to cause this. Period. The law of conservation of momentum is not, and has never been in question. Newton got that one right.

@Mannix: Please confirm this, so that we can move on.

Regarding your test setup giantkiller, It's a marvelous piece of engineering as far as a test bed is concerned, however, you might want to rewind it with a collector in it, instead of an iron core. If we're talking about a device that has to be sensitive to the earth's magnetic flux, we need to pay close attention to things that effect the flux of our own device, hence we need to be as close as we can gather to the original.. correct? There is no argument about the fact the SM device has the collectors as it's core. We can't even assume iron cores on his original device. Or the second one that is "open." that could easily be a plastic speaker frame, they are quite common.

About Mannix's Avatar.... He invented a flying motorcycle.  Page 1.

Another thing... We keep overlooking the outer control coil that encompasses everything else. Anyone else have any thoughts toward this?

When SM is flipping the switches and says something to the effect, "It's like taking and eight cylinder car motor and running it on one cylinder."

This leads me to believe that one frequency is fed to the outer all encompassing coil, and the other is fed to inner controls. I can think of no other way to turn off all but one control coil...

Regards,
Gn0stik.

Hi Dave and All,

First of, I know while i was writing the disclaimer that SM was thinking of everyones health, so really how do we get around silly people not killing em selves? But how then are we going to move forward?

Anyway It just came to my mind, the first prototype uses a single square magnet, placed in the centre of the toroid on what looks like an inductor, So I thought, if it winds up and there's a rotational magnetic field happening, why then won'y the magnet spin off. Surely there would be magnetic interactions that would make the magnet move?

In second prototype SM uses two magnets 180 deg from each other, but it looks like he clicks them down, so to me it must mean the interaction or magnetic flux is being rotated only on the circumfrence and not in the centre of the unit.

Another thing these first two prototypes the magnets are always placed inside the toroid. Thats another thing to consider, also in SM's later designs the same thing.

Anyway, something to think about.

I'm sure alot of people here are safety conscious, does it sound like im desperate to get this going....ok im guilty on that front,   damn this could be the best discovery of our time.

Sincerely,

Dom

So... The more power that's drawn from the output coil the faster the magnetic field generated by the four bifilar coils spins. As in a vortex. If the output is shorted we have a meltdown.