Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" (Read 1242997 times)

starcruiser · « **Reply #705 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:37:01 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on September 22, 2006, 09:30:12 PM

i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.

I believe that effect is caused by ionization of the air molecules which makes it easier to bridge the gap and the spark rises due to thermal heating.

Regards

Carl

gn0stik · « **Reply #706 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:43:45 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on September 22, 2006, 09:30:12 PM

i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.

This device is called a "jacobs ladder", another Tesla invention. The reason the arc moves upward is because it's powered in very rapid pulses of electricity. The heat of the last strike creates more resistance in the same spot, so it finds the spot with the next least resistance, which is farther up the gap, this along with ionization are the cause.. When the lower area cools enough the spark begins at the bottom again. At least this is my understanding of it.

Regards.
Rich

Edit: oops looks like carl got to it before I did.

Dingus Mungus · « **Reply #707 on:** September 22, 2006, 09:49:46 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on September 22, 2006, 09:30:12 PM

i have seen a device once it was two iron like standing things with a spark between them.
these things were in a V shape from each other.
now with low power the spark was low in the V and little but as this guy pushes power up the spark would move up and get bigger.
so the more power the point of discharge true the air was moving upwards.
i find that kinda weird because logical the spark should take the shortest way and that is below in a V shape.

The device I believe you are descibing is a "jacobs ladder" the reason the arc moves up is the air acts as a conducter a byproduct of this effect is heating of the air which makes it a better conducter but the hot air rises. With enough voltage the arc will jump from the widest gap at the top lose its ionized heat pocket and reset to the closest arc point to start again.

starcruiser · « **Reply #708 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:18:18 PM »

gn0stik,

I just couldn't recall the name of the device, thanks

Carl

hartiberlin · « **Reply #709 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:22:31 PM »

Quote from: ctglabs on September 22, 2006, 09:25:24 PM

Just out of interest I have tried pulsing a coil from different ends and the wave shape is quite different, why is this?

Regards,

Dave.

Dave, it depends also of the emitter potential !
If you pulse the transistor ALWAYS between emitter and
basis this should be equal !

Try it as you have a floating scope your groundlines
should not influence..

P.S: Also only attach a picture.
You don?t need to press the imagelink in your posting,
just attach the file, otherwise there will be a missing picture be displayed which is
confusing...

hartiberlin · « **Reply #710 on:** September 22, 2006, 10:56:49 PM »

Hi Tao,
nice ideas with the 2 different flows.

You can see exactly here:
http://overunity.com/newman/arcing2.JPG
as the current is broken by the mechanical switch the DC input current
into my coil at 33 mA is broken and then a spark jumps across the switch wich
brings this negative current spike into the battery back.
Also the coil itsself has a huge radiant impulse in it and it is
radiated away from the coil and interferes all radio reception in the neighbourhood !

hartiberlin · « **Reply #711 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:05:59 PM »

Here you can see the circuit diagramm,
but the switch in it should then be better at the negative side of the battery.

http://overunity.com/newman2/newman1.gif

hartiberlin · « **Reply #712 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:10:56 PM »

Here you can see a 2 trace scope shot.

http://overunity.com/newman/voltrise.jpg

The upper trace is the capacitor supply voltage at my
voltage doubler supply, ( low capacitance, so you still see the 50 Hz
supply ripple)

and the lower trace is the input current into the coil.
You see the 33 mA at around 620 Volts input current there
due to the ohmic resistance of the coil.
Now if the commutator opens, a spark occurs and a back current pulse
back to the capacitor supply occurs, which in fact does recharge the caps
so you see it in the upper trace the voltage rises over the 620 Volts input during
the back current pulse !

P.S: If I would have taken a 620 Volts battery instead of a voltage doubler feeded from the
grid the upper trace would have shown a flat voltage line and only during the back current
pulse the voltage would have risen....!

hartiberlin · « **Reply #713 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:16:41 PM »

Quote from: ctglabs on September 22, 2006, 11:13:25 PM

Stefan,

Regards to Newmans and noise, have you ever tried applying white noise signal to a transistor which pulses a large coil as marco has said?

Regards,

Dave.

No, not yet, what should be the effect ?

hartiberlin · « **Reply #714 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:20:58 PM »

Check out these 5 videos:

http://overunity.com/newman/spike1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/arctest1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/arctest2.avi

and this is my Newman machine I tried it on:

http://overunity.com/newman/newmanmotor1.avi
http://overunity.com/newman/newmanmotor2.avi

and this is the circuit for it:

http://overunity.com/newman/NEWMCIRC.JPG

hartiberlin · « **Reply #715 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:24:31 PM »

Quote from: ctglabs on September 22, 2006, 11:20:16 PM

Hi Stefan,

As the newmans coil works by noise created in the commutator, I wondered if white noise transistor pulse may be able to create the same affect by with solid state? Or is an acutal spark the only answer?

Regards,

Dave.

It only works, when you have the right spark at a mechanical commutator !
Or you need at least to have a gas discharge when the current is broken with it,
so I had this idea, which I did not yet try:

http://overunity.com/newman/newman_battery_charger.jpg

hartiberlin · « **Reply #716 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:27:56 PM »

Well at least the negative current pulse which has some RF bursts superimposed
back to the batteries does NOT occur, if you only use transistor switching.

But there would probably still be the radiant pulse inside the coil.

So to use the Newman setup as a battery charger you need to have mechanical
switching, also with the right materials at the contacts, best copper and graphite
so far...
There must be this glow discharge at the spark to get this negative current spike.

With pure transistor switching this never occurs !

hartiberlin · « **Reply #717 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:31:57 PM »

In this diagramm:
http://overunity.com/newman/NEWMCIRC.JPG

"Spule" means the Newman coil
and there is just shown its electrical compensation circuit.

In real it is just a big coil !

I used the right coil in this picture for as the Newman coil ( Spule).
http://overunity.com/newman/2coils.jpg

hartiberlin · « **Reply #718 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:36:33 PM »

Quote from: ctglabs on September 22, 2006, 11:11:06 PM

Tao,

From my two scope shots, are you saying the first one with high peaks are actually radiant kicks?

And the second one which is symmetrical is symmetrical because in that one the transistor is in the positive end of the coil?

Thanks,

Dave.

Dave , please try to drive in both cases with the function generator being connected
between base and emitter directly and not between ground and
base and try again. Then there should be no difference....

hartiberlin · « **Reply #719 on:** September 22, 2006, 11:39:27 PM »

Quote from: -[marco]- on September 22, 2006, 10:14:09 PM

when i was a litte boy i found in an old bag from my dad inside some thing they use in a car for ignition.....
i connected the thing to the output of my hifi stereo set and the result was EXTREME for me that times.
especialy as i putted in "white noise" from the reciever.
that same thing i used later when i was older for putting on my sigarette boy i scared the shi* outa my frends

Okay, Marco,
but you used white noise on the primary of the ignition coil transformer
to get a high voltage spark jump at the secondary , right ?

This is different to pulsing the primary with DC pulses.

You have more voltage changes per second, so you surely will get more
output at the secondary !

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