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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #675 on: September 22, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »
Hi dave, that's tao's drawing from earlier in the thread.

The key to the magnet motion is not in the drawing, but what I think the drawing missed.

A. The individual control windings have several segments around each collector winding. several.. multiple.

B. Iron, or some other slow relax-time control wiring. This maximizes the kicks, via the bunching effect, and prolongs the magnetic field they give off. Fine tuning this material, I believe is the answer to the heating problems too. Even though the heating most likely takes place in the copper antenna(collector) winding, and not the control wiring.

There was a post around here somewhere with a diagram about a possible way to connect all of those collector windings... I can't find it anywhere.  At any rate, tesla accomplished this too. I would look for patents information on how this was done.

Again, there are 4 control wiring sections, one section around each collector, then they are all wound by a larger one. The internal segments around the collectors are made of several smaller control windings.

How many all together? he didn't say. It's quite a few though.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #675 on: September 22, 2006, 03:47:11 PM »

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« Reply #676 on: September 22, 2006, 05:40:05 PM »
Guys, isn't this what Otto has done?

It appears from his posts that he is using the steel braid from some COAX to form his colletors. He stated in his last post his collector coils are formed from 95 strands of the shielding wire x 8 lengths which give him 760 wires all in parallel. He also stated he used a single control winding at first then added another collector over that and connected it to his control circuit output transistor which increased his output. I think we really should examine Otto's work and see if this provides us some insight.

Some outstanding questions I have are:

Are the collectors (horizontal coils) wound multiple times around or just once?

Will we get the same reaction/ouput if there is one colletor coil (wound multiple times, say 20 or so) using 16gauge stranded copper wire instead of the braid from the COAX?

Is his control coil using solid core or stranded wire?

Is the modification he made by adding that additional coil providing a positive feedback loop?

I am thinking that the orientation of the coils is the key here as well as the tickler circuit to drive the coils (the feedback mechanism)

Just some thoughts, I might be off base but I think this is worth pursuing.


Best regards,

Carl

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« Reply #677 on: September 22, 2006, 05:50:17 PM »
I agree, I don't think the kick is dependent on the the control wiring configuration. And kicks are what we should be working on at this point.

When the time comes to suss out the rotational magnetic piece of the puzzle, we can approach it like this.

The best way to find out how they are connected, IMO, is to wind just one collector coil circumferencially, around a cardboard tape center perhaps. Then wrap a few, say, three, 120 degree control coils around it vertically, through the axis. Connect those in series, apply a current, and see what happens. Then connect them in parallel and apply a current and see what happens. You will see different properties of the magnetic field generated when doing this, guaranteed. At that point see which is more beneficial. I don't think this is an insurmountable obstacle.

When we get to circuits, then we will have some difficulty. This is not the hard part.

Another way to look at it is to see how an electric motor works, since those utilize rotating magnetic fields to operate. here's a snippet from wikipedia.

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The rotating magnetic field is a key principle in the operation of alternating-current motors. A permanent magnet in such a field will rotate so as to maintain its alignment with the external field. This effect was utilised in early alternating-current electric motors. A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems.

Because magnets degrade with time, synchronous motors and induction motors use short-circuited rotors (instead of a magnet) following the rotating magnetic field of a multicoiled stator. The short-circuited turns of the rotor develop eddy currents in the rotating field of the stator, and these currents in turn move the rotor by the Lorentz force.

In 1882, Nikola Tesla identified the concept of the rotating magnetic field. In 1885, Galileo Ferraris independently researched the concept. In 1888, Tesla gained U.S. Patent 381968 for his work. Also in 1888, Ferraris published his research in a paper to the Royal Academy of Sciences in Turin.

Here is a link to tesla's patent related to this concept, and work, it's his ac electric motor, and there is a lot of talk of rotating magnetic fields, and even a few wiring diagrams. Rotating magnetic fields is nothing new. ;)

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/0381968.pdf

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« Reply #677 on: September 22, 2006, 05:50:17 PM »
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gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #678 on: September 22, 2006, 06:37:50 PM »
Guys, isn't this what Otto has done?

It appears from his posts that he is using the steel braid from some COAX to form his colletors. He stated in his last post his collector coils are formed from 95 strands of the shielding wire x 8 lengths which give him 760 wires all in parallel. He also stated he used a single control winding at first then added another collector over that and connected it to his control circuit output transistor which increased his output. I think we really should examine Otto's work and see if this provides us some insight.

Some outstanding questions I have are:

Are the collectors (horizontal coils) wound multiple times around or just once?

Will we get the same reaction/ouput if there is one colletor coil (wound multiple times, say 20 or so) using 16gauge stranded copper wire instead of the braid from the COAX?

Is his control coil using solid core or stranded wire?

Is the modification he made by adding that additional coil providing a positive feedback loop?

I am thinking that the orientation of the coils is the key here as well as the tickler circuit to drive the coils (the feedback mechanism)

Just some thoughts, I might be off base but I think this is worth pursuing.


Best regards,

Carl

Carl,
I agree we need to get more info on what Otto is doing, so we can verify, and replicate, he seems like he's really gotten a ways down the road with his TPU, however it would be great if he posted some sketches or pictures of his device, so that we can more accurately determine what's going on.

Well see what happens.

Rich

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« Reply #679 on: September 22, 2006, 06:44:48 PM »
gn0stik,

Yes I agree that Otto should post a few Pix of his setup so we can see what he has been doing.

I had a thought what if the rotational effect is a result of a delay line effect? Pulses traveling down the wire takes so long to get to the end and and before it reaches the end another is induced, then another etc...

What do you think?

regards,

Carl

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« Reply #680 on: September 22, 2006, 07:07:52 PM »
Well Dave, there's no way to be sure, really, unless we try different materials. My educated guess is that it is necessary, and after going back and reading through the thread a bit I can see where we were coming from on that.

The reasoning is two fold. Iron wire will have a higher resistance, hence lower levels of voltage will be needed to create the "bunching' effect that causes radiant to explode off the surface at 90 degrees to the winding. (see Tao's post about the SM communications). The higher the resistance, the lower the voltage, that will be necessary for creating the effect. Tesla used hundreds of thousands of volts, and literally vaporized copper wire, which has much lower resistance than soft iron.

For us, the iron gives us the ability to do this with lower voltage, a few hundred or .5 kv, say.

The second reason is the slow relaxation time of the magnetic field in ferrous material, this will allow us to control the motion of the magnetic field more easily, and hence control the kicks, and give us both a more powerful and more CONTROLLABLE device. Read the comments about the kill switch, made by SM via Mannix. This device is DANGROUS, and that's the primary reason SM hasn't just posted a step-by-step. If we understand it, we'll know it, and we'll know the dangers, and take precautions.

The jet turbine comment made by marco, is a recurring theme brought up by Mannix, and SM. With anything dealing with motion of a magnetic field, preserving imbalance is critical to operation. Good eye. I have no idea how that slipped by us. I have to take a closer look at videos and pics.

Rich

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gn0stik,

Yes I agree that Otto should post a few Pix of his setup so we can see what he has been doing.

I had a thought what if the rotational effect is a result of a delay line effect? Pulses traveling down the wire takes so long to get to the end and and before it reaches the end another is induced, then another etc...

What do you think?

regards,

Carl


That seems to be the case Carl, have you read Mannix's "parable" also in this thread? The one with the king etc, etc?

Regards,
Rich

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #681 on: September 22, 2006, 07:37:35 PM »
Hi All, great teamwork so far. Nice brainstorming. But let us first try the simple experiments to understand one step by the next one. As 3 output coils and 4 control coils have many possibillities to be put in series or parallel, it would be good to just first understand the effect from One control coil to One output coil !

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« Reply #682 on: September 22, 2006, 07:39:56 PM »
Dave did you verify the effect, that, if you turn your output coil upside down the pulses are different, or was this an experimentation error ?

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« Reply #683 on: September 22, 2006, 07:43:55 PM »
Otto, thanks for posting your schematics. A bit smallsize, but you did get it done.Great. Well you definately need a parallel diode to the coil at the collector of your transistor, otherwise you will blow up all your transistors. Put the diode with the cathode to plus 12 volt and with the anode to the collector of your transistor. This will help.

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« Reply #684 on: September 22, 2006, 07:48:13 PM »
Dave ,I have to watch again the movies, but I think you are right, that the magnet Steven holds in his hands and touches with it the big toroidal ring seems not to stick to it, so you would be right, that the toroid does not contain any iron coils or materials. Great observation!

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« Reply #685 on: September 22, 2006, 07:52:14 PM »
do the math guys!
i keep seeing 5's and 6's popping up everywhere!  there are also the musical variences of 8's and 13's: talk about placements of your control wires?
has anbody tested these placements of phi and pi? 

look at these numbers and you should find in every case they are divisible to whole numbers, they are divisible to infinite numbers, and they are divisible to repeating numbers!

what does this mean, i havn't got a clue?  just thought it must be important since my mind came to it in a dream. 

stranger things have happened to me before.

maybe putting the control wires at the 5 and 6 points on the circle and slightly offsetting them on the third with the 8 and 13 points will get the best effect because it seems to be where the "kicks" ARE occuring.

hmm ;D


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« Reply #686 on: September 22, 2006, 07:55:19 PM »
Jason, if you get 70 volts at 35 mA already out, that is already about 2,45 Watts. Do your LEDs also suggest, that it is this much of power ? Can you already run a small inc. bulb with it ?

How much is then the input power? if you don?t connect the earth from your function generator, you probably still draw current capacitively from the function generator. Try to insolate him from the groundline and try again. At high frequencies you already have RF effects playing a role!

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« Reply #687 on: September 22, 2006, 07:59:43 PM »
Hi Otto,

I saw the image of your circuit setup. I just wanted to verify a couple of details in the diagram.

1.From what I see, you have the collector of your transistor connected to the positive terminal of your DC voltage source, and the negative terminal of the voltage source is grounded? Or just disconnected?

2. The piece of wire pictured that goes from +12V to the transistor, is that a resister, a coil, or just a straight piece of wire?

Thanks!

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« Reply #688 on: September 22, 2006, 08:05:17 PM »
When Steven said, 3 output coils are important and he said it will spin like a jet engine, then I think we have a vortex here, as the 3 coils are ontop of each other and are probably 120 degrees out of phase, so the magnetic field will go up and down in them.

Now if the 3 control coils around them are also all 120 degres out of phase, we have a magnet field which rotates in a circle. Now if you superimpose that all, you will get a vortex field. Now the question is, for what reason is there the oter last coil, wrapped around all the other coils ?
Is it there to give the vortex the right direction or be any feedback coil ?

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« Reply #689 on: September 22, 2006, 08:12:47 PM »
Here's another "blast from the past"

Earlier in this thread mannix posted a parable or "bed time story" for us to elucidate upon.

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Hi all,
Just a part of "the master of magnetics" That i thought I would share ...just for fun and entertainment purposes  a bed time story!





Wunce upon a time in a microsecond far away in a land under the noses of all, there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home but they were sent the longest way possible. Their king told them that it was  so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way . They were told  that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit. So their king gave them a big kick to send them on their way and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them. "See you at the arranged time, back here" he said and off they went!

Some short time later the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey,down another wire . He did this a few times . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together and crash int each other. The king was worried about this  so he disconnected the return wires before any of them arrived home ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.

Meanwhile the electrons were still on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened? they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was. They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends. Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much more room . They told their friends and  almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home the short way. The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and their friends and their friends as well, and they just kept on  comming .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come. . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other big wire that was not for his travellers. the king was  relieved that they had taken the shortcut  ..but when he saw all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the main return wire was a bad mistake. He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the  others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire that led somewhhere else and joined them together. he managed to get most othe uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.. told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumpung and pushing.  It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by  that he had no way of dealing with them  so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whizz by . He would tell some of them that the pary was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster.  He even sent some of them down the bing weavy wire to let the others know that the party was over, but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and  left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice ..Im told that he went to a power generator where none of this sillynes could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.   

One day in a land under the noses of all the kings there were some electrons which were sent on a trip around the world by their king. Their destination was a place near their home but they were sent the longest way possible ,it was so that they could meet as many friends as possible on the way . They were told  that if they were lucky enough to meet some friends they could have a big party and celebrate with them and invite a few back for a visit. So their king gave them a big kick and arranged to meet them back where they started, he showed them the other end of the wire just behind them. See you at the arranged time back here he said and off they went!

Some short time later the king sent some more groups of his favourite electrons on a similar journey.down another wire . After a while he lost track of how many he had sent and was worried that they all might arrive back at his castle together  so he disconnected the return wire before any of them arrived home ..he wondered wether they might get lost but was more worried about them colliding with each other in his castle on their return home "Oh dear!.. What Have I done?" he said.

Meanwhile the electrons were on their merry way twisting and turning ..round and round when they noticed that their end connection was somehow ,gone ...What had happened? they also saw some other electrons nearby that they recognised and so they met up and had a party. What big party it was. They all met and danced and sang and in the process many more electrons joined in the party, even ones that were not sent by the king. this created a few fights and some confusion but all the other electrons from all around heard about the party and sent messages to all their friends. Obviouisly the place was not big enough, but as it happened ,just nearby there was a wonderful piece of wire which seemed to have an even better way home and it was a bigger wire with much for room . They told their friends and  almost the whole party jumped over to the other piece of wire so that they might get home.The uninvited guests were really getting out of hand at this point so It really was a case of either jump or be pushed so they jumped..the only trouble was that all the uninvited guests followed them and they just kept on  comming .Nobody told any one that the party was over and not to come. . When all the kings electrons came rushing home thru the other.new found wire that was not for his travellers. the king was  relieved ..but when he saw all he other uninvited guests he realised that disconnecting the return wire was a bad mistake. He grabbed a few of them and put them to work ...he was able to send some of the  others back down the origional wire in the hope that they would find another king to annoy But there were too many of them so he quickly found another big wire that led somewhhere else and joined them together managed to get most othe uninvited guest to go down that one, away form his kingdom.. told them tell the others that the party was over but they were having such fun ,weaving and winding ..jumpung and pushing.  It did not take long for the king to have so many electrons passing by  that he had no way of dealing with them  so he would sometimes go down to the big wire and watch all the free loaders whizz by . He would tell some of them that the pary was over but they just kept whizzing by faster and faster.  He even sent some of them down the ling weavy wire to let the others know that the party was over but it didn't work. He gave up after a while and  left them to it and went off somewhere else hoping that nobody would notice ..Im told that he went to a power generator where none of this sillynes could happen to him again an all the electrons had things to stop them from being so silly.   

There you go.

 

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