Quote from: hartiberlin on October 18, 2006, 07:41:45 AM

Quote from: -[marco]- on October 14, 2006, 09:16:55 PM

ive been trying to upload part 4 of the experimental videos for two days almost.
but the site keeps sending an errorr message.

so i throw it on google.

enjoy
marco.

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-7082673488886245275

Hi Marco,
what did oyu do in the last 2 parts of the video ?
Is this a one wire signal that you drive the control with ?
Where is the bright shining lamp connected to ?
To the green wire (iron wire ?) coil ?

Does the lamp light up,
when you just apply to one control coil a square wave
with just one pin at it ?
Or do you drive the copper control coils
around it with a function generator and with both pins
of the control coil connected ?
What frequency and what waveforms do you drive it with ?

Many thanks.
Just trying to catch up of your latest videos..

Regards, Stefan.
P.S: Where the ruler (lineal) connected to ?
Is it out of metal ?
Please speak in your videos, what you are doing, so
one knows, what you are doing.
Many thanks.

hi
i did explain this all a while back.
in the last two parts i show that when you place a piece of aluminium paper on top of the coil and on the bottom it differs when you hit it with the sense wire.
the piece of aluminium isnt connected to anything.

the bulb is an indicator to show what happens when my hand is in the field.
its connected to the output of the amp.
the bulb lits up as the amp gets a signal from the sense wire.

the last part is to show that the coils were testing are grounded.
keep that in mind when you use generators/mosfet/tip/555/whatever.(onto ac line)

stevens coils ar not grounded so this differs a lot.
thats why one segment lits and the other not.

i drive the input with the output and between is a variabel capacitive field.
so you have a field around the coil comming from the amp.
nothing happens but when you take the input into the "output field" it picks up.

i can hardly type enlish so im not really into talking in the videos but im doing the best i can.
sorry for that i will try to use more explenation images between.

now im in a hurry gotta test some stuff.

marco

Ahh, I see,
you created just a feedback loop with the 2 coils.
But you always used the amplifier in between, so the power
for the bulb comes from the amplifier... Okay, I see..


Have you already posted any scope shots of
your iron wire output coil, if you drive one copper control coil around it
with square waves ?

Did I miss that ?

Did you also get any kicks superimposing in the iron output coil then ?

Many thanks.

Quote from: tishatang on October 18, 2006, 09:21:42 AM

Hi all,

In regards to rotation of the magnetic field, I came across this experiment relating to electrolysis of water to make hydrogen.  By placing two ceramic magnets on the sides of the cell, the electrolyte (water would rotate).

Here is the link:  http://www.geocities.com/mj_17870/mag4.html


"To make sure that it was indeed the permanent magnetic field which was causing the water to rotate around inside the cell I first removed the magnets. The water rotation slowed and within a minute or so, came to a stop. I then replaced the magnets so that like poles faced each other. No movement was observed in the water. Next, I reversed the orientation of the magnets from the way they were at first (north pole facing cathode and south pole facing anode) and the water began to spin around in the opposite direction as it had at first. Then I switched the orientation of the magnets back to their initial positions while the water was spinning and observed that the water slowed to a stop, then reversed direction and came back up to full speed. In all cases the water would accelerate up to a certain maximum speed and then maintain that speed of rotation for as long as the current continued to flow. This speed seeming to be determined by the combination of the following factors; 1) the amount of current flowing through the cell and 2) the strength of the permanent magnetic field.

 

 The question which presents itself here regards the mechanics by which the water below the electrodes is caused to spin. The electrical energy that is supplied to the cell is all accounted for within the process of electrolysis (between electrolytic conduction and heat losses) and since the amount of gas produced by  the the cell is not obviously diminished by causing the water below the electrodes to spin and because it takes energy to set any object into motion and then maintain that motion there must be another source of secondary or incidental energy that is being brought into play here by the configuration of the various components of the system and their orientation to and interaction with each other."


Sorry I can't seem to copy and paste image here and do quotes correctly.

Could it be possible that SM achieves rotation just by using the magnets as in this experiment?  Afterall, Steven did mention there were no massive electronics involved.  The electrodes would represent the verticle control coils and the collector coils would be represented by the rotating water.  There is an obvious rotating field here in this experiment.  Maybe this is a visual representation of the field of the TPU?

Hope this helps

Tishatang

I was wondering along these lines also Tishatang, so I wrote this in regards to what you have above:



"YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE.
SINCERELY,
SM."


Well, while were analyzing the above quote, look at : ""YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE ", what do you think Steven means by that, that the FIELD itself is what causes the electrons to flow in the wire? Or that a rotating field generates energy that is then used to cause a potential difference across said wire, thereby making electrons flow?

Considering Steven's quote, I might have to go with him meaning that THIS FIELD, whatever it is, is what is causing the electrons to flow. So what could this field be? Related to the KICK?

Steven says he noticed a KICK when he was experimenting with the vacuum tubes, and Steven referenced that KICK in the valve book that Jason Owens got a picture of for us.... And z_p_e so elequently spelled out all of Steven's KICK references for us in that accompanying thread....

Well, if we just look at that first KICK first, it references the earth's magnetic field causes a KICK in the filament which has an inrush current sent through it.... TO ME that means a mechanical KICK, a kick related to the Lorentz Force: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force_law

Steven called this FIRST KICK clear 'overunity'. Why would he say that?

I think this is how Steven interpreted this situation: He senses that since the magnetic field of the Earth was present and since the KICK(mechanical deflection) of the filament due to it's electrons being deflected, he rations that this apparent mechanical KICK that is so destructive on the filament is FREE. For when there is NO SHARP BURST OF CURRENT in the filament, there is no KICK, but when there is, there is a KICK!!!

So, Steven thinks some more and figures, hey, it's either the fact that there is much more current during this inrush current period that then allows for this mechanical deflection of the filament due to the presence of the Earth's magnetic field, OR that there might actually be SOMETHING ELSE involved which APPEARS due to the presence of this inrush current and this SOMETHING ELSE in addition to the Earth's magnetic field's presence causes this appearant mechanical KICK....

So, Steven then thinks, hmmm, whichever of the above two it is, who knows, but one thing he knows for sure is that THIS KICK only happens when there is a VERY SHARP DC PULSE.

So, Steven then thinks to himself, well, I see there is a KICK, but in the filament it only appears as a mechanical KICK, and it is small, how do I increase it? He figures that he can have more SHARP DC PULSES for one thing, but he also figures out right away that he could just place a PERMANENT MAGNET in the process to greatly increase the KICKS.

So, I feel that Steven does a natural progression from that first KICK, to thinking and wondering how he can use the Lorentz Force to his advantage, seeing as those this Lorentz Force action is GREATLY magnified by SHARP DC PULSES and the presence of stronger magnetic fields...

This also explains why Steven's device appear to vibrate, there are all these collective KICKS going on to "CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE" and some of the KICKING ACTION happens in places OTHER THAN the collector coils(which is their only INTENDED interaction zone), and actually Lorentz KICKS some of the control wires and what-not in Steven's devices, thereby doing the same that to these wires that happened to the FILAMENT in Steven's FIRST KICK TEST....

MORE LATER................................

The two thing below COULD relate to the KICK phenomenon and something that SM used...

Another interesting find was here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_cyclotron_resonance

"Electron cyclotron resonance is a phenomenon observed both in plasma physics and condensed matter physics. An electron in a static and uniform magnetic field will move in a circle due to the Lorentz force. "

"In addition to heating, electron cyclotron waves can be used to drive current. "


Or this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclotron

"A cyclotron is a type of particle accelerator. Cyclotrons accelerate charged particles using a high-frequency, alternating voltage (potential difference). A perpendicular magnetic field causes the particles to go almost in a circle so that they re-encounter the accelerating voltage many times."



Relating to all the above is this image:
(http://www.physics.ucla.edu/plasma-exp/beam/BeamFullOrbit200W.jpeg)
Image Note: "Fig. 4. A 100 eV electron beam injected perpendicular to a dc magnetic field. The sense of the cyclotron orbit implies that the magnetic field points into the plane. From the beam energy and the cyclotron radius the field strength can be calculated. Note that the beam light weakens with propagation distance "



What if somehow Steven setup something like the picture above, but with the electrons in the collector wire and he used multiples of these type of units around the circle(toroid). This would allow the circular electrons to not weaken with distance because they would always keep being PUSHED.

So, what if the various control coil segments are used in a situation similar to the above examples and made the free electrons in the copper collector coils to move in a distinct circular pattern, similar to the Electron_cyclotron_resonance from above. THIS WOULD MEAN THE COLLECTOR COILS DIAMETER WOULD BE CRITICAL IN REGARDS TO THE RIGHT FREQUENCIES THE CONTROL COILS WOULD OPERATE AT.

Interesting stuff...

Hi Tishatang and Tao !
Very good findings !

I guess the simple setup with the 2 magnets could have been
used by Steven Mark to really help rotating the waves in his earlier
more simple devices, also were you can see the open core.
(Where it is not taped close with tape)

In the big 1 KW device, where he said he had
3 ouput toroids with multi strand copper coil,
he probably uses the helper coil around all of the
3 output coil to setup a static DC magnetic field, so the
movement of the field would go from the top of the unit
to the lower side of the unit.

So in all 3 output coils the electrons would then rotate
from the top coil to the buttom coil and when all 3 coils
output coils are put in series it would generate an output voltage.

Now, if you reverse the unit by 180 degrees , it is clear, that also this
static helper DC magnet field is reversed and the electron then should
move from the buttom to the top of the unit,
but when the feedback control coils or the
timing is not adjusted, it will just not work in this
direction, so it is clear, that then the device will not work...

It could also be, that Steven Mark did not yet himself know exactly,
how his unit works !
As in the case of Joseph Newman, he also stumbled across the effect
of dissimular metals creating huge back current spikes at his spark gap
commutator  , which recharges
his batteries , only by incident !
This is the real functioning of his machines, but not his
magnetic particle theory, which he claimed it would work on...
I always wondered, why he did built it the way he did,
when Newman only used his magnetic particle theory.
This does not make sense at all and is not the underlying principle.

So Newman did not understand the theory,
but just stumbled across these spark gap effect back current spikes
when he did his coil experiments and then tried to build a theory
upon it, which has no real meaning to the effects really seen
there..

He totally missed the importance of the spark gap effect and
throught he could explain it with magnetic particals... but that is
just not right...

So it could be the case, that Steven Mark also does not know,
how the real function of his device is,
but at least he knows, how to scale it up...

Regards, Stefan.

hey,

just a question. i was looking for someone that might give me some additional information on toroidal induction and ran across a site for butlerwinding.com.  they seemed to be thinking that 180% was the "idea" or the half wave.  now of course you have to take everything with a grain of salt, because i think that most of the inductors and transformers that they wind are designed to prevent things like "kicks" power surges and all the other things that your typical EE theory is designed to eliminate, but they at least did give alot of information as to why they used resistors and capacitors, and rectifiers to eliminate these things.

it kind of seemed to my untrained brain that they were saying all the sam things,everyone was telling dave about his three transformer setup.  which all seemed to make alot of sense if you wanted to eliminate "kicks" and power surges and the sort instead of trying to get control of them after you finally produced them.

i hope someone takes a look at this site.  it does seem they have some really good ways to wrap toroids.  i think they know what they are talking about just may be heading in the wrong direction for what we are wanting to acomplish.

lol,keepup the good work,

sam

Hello guys,
electricity =electronsgas and plasma also,unimportant the definition hot/cold ! !
About parametric generator:Prof. Ferdinand Cap.
Cap +C.F.von Weizsaecker(worked also with Bethe):
You will enter "Nuclear physics" and time-parallel "high-fidelity philosophy":
The "GOTT/GOD " Frage/question !!!

S
  dL
p.s.: I think that all this work is L.A.S.E.R./M.A.S.E.R./P.A.S.E.R. related.

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