Okay Jason,
put a 1 or 10 or 100  Ohm resistor into the groundline
from your function generator before going to the transformer
and measure with your scope the voltage at it.

Don?t ground the scope, as this will shut away the free electrons
to ground.

Hi Stefan,

I'll try adding the resistors to the setup when I goto take the next video. Does the circuit still draw power from the function generator even when the ground lead is not connected?

God Bless,
Jason O

Yes, surely,
capacitively.
Okay, I will move the videos now to a webpage directory.

Hi Dave,

That?s an awesome setup you have there! I will be testing your setup to verify the results you are getting. By the way, does this work at any frequency or just a select range? By looking at the three-transformer setup, this got me thinking about how SM uses three collector coils, each with their own rotating field coils. If we were to go with a single-frequency design. One could easily see how the top and bottom control segments could function as the two transformers, and the one in the middle could be the third. That way they are constantly feeding each other, and maybe the feedback could be achieved by inductive coupling between them?? If this is even somewhat true, then I see the importance of tuning off the exact coupling frequency a bit so that the voltages in the system won't multiply exponentially.

By the way, I forgot to include the diagram and pictures from my transformer circuit. Here they are.

God Bless,
Jason O

Quote from: mikestocks2006 on October 08, 2006, 10:30:19 PM

Ok I have a very simple question.

Let's take a closed end toroid e.g. 1000 turns 10 cm radius with a base harmonic for 3.5 MHz

Mark the turn at 12 o'clock as 0
and let's say the turn at 3:00 o'clock as 250 (going clock wise)

Next splice a wire on the 0 turn and a wire at the 250 turn

Next apply a jolt of potential to those 2 wires

Do we have 2 sets of currents going through the toroid?
One current from turn 0 to turn 250 clock wise ( through consecutive  turns 0, 1,2, ? 248,249,250 for a total of 250 turns and ? of the toroid)?

The other current from turn 0 to turn 250 counter clock wise (through consecutive  turns 0, 999, 998,?252,251,250 for a total of 750 turns or  the other ? of the toroid)?

Do we have 2 standing waves rushing through the toroid at opposite rotations at different frequencies and effectively amplifying each other when the amplitudes are in sync?

Shouldn?t there be splice location where max amplification at max freq results?

Possibly at exact opposites?, or some harmonic multiple divisor of 1000 (in the example above 1000 turns were used)
I keep thinking closed toroid since in that video the simplest design about 5" dia (the one he placed on the glass table) there seemed to be no outside power sources driving the toroid
Or maybe use a pm to kick start the proccess intead of an outside VA source.

Any insights will be appreciated. Thx

Well, judging by what SM has said, it's possible to do what you are describing, but, by other descriptions of his layout this is probably not what he's doing, at least in the larger device. The counter rotating fields could easily be accomplished in two separate sets of controls rather than the same wire.

By splicing, do you mean simply soldering a lead at the 250 point?  Or closing it completely, and soldering two on? At any rate, there's really no way to know exactly what would happen without actually doing it. Basically, correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just get a hot toroid, as you've just made a big heating element if it's completely closed. You have to have output somewhere, and if you have two input and two out put, you might as well just make a bifilar toroidal xformer and feed it different signals in opposite directions. I may be missing something here, or simply dind't understand you, however.


Rich

Yes I meant soldering a wire at 0 turn and another wire at 250 turn. The toroid is closed it self also.
Thanks for the reply.

Dave, that's what I meant, feed t3 with two in phase sine sources to replace t1 and t2.

This is all very interesting, and you may have stumbled upon something here, but the problem I have with it, is, where are the kicks? Have we stopped looking for them? If this is the true operation of SMs TPU, then why all the talk about kicks? Why did we look for them for so long. I guess we would be using one signal from the earth, and one man made one, and relying on chance superposition to create kicks?

If that's the case, why not just do this instead. It's much more controllable.

Also, although your set up was odd, and it could be posited that science would have over looked it because they would see no point in making a circuit like this; If you simplify it by removing T1, and T2, and Pumping T3 with two sine waves, and they still add, then science probably WOULD have stumbled upon this by now. See what I mean?

I'm not trying to rain on the parade, I just think we really need to perform due diligence here.

Also, have we thought about closing the loop? Or wiring the output of this to another similar device? Feeding T1 and T2 of another setup with T3 of your current device, and seeing if it continues to rise? If so, throw a fuse between the two, and close the loop, so it can't runaway. (I know it's not quite that simple)

My mind is kind of reeling at the moment, between being giddy, and skeptical, and bummed out that we are not seeing any SM type phenomena. No earth's magnetic field, no kicks, etc.

Also at some point we'll have to try this with toroidal xformers.

Regards,
Rich.

Quote from: Jdo300 on October 09, 2006, 10:42:04 AM

Hi Dave,

That?s an awesome setup you have there! I will be testing your setup to verify the results you are getting. By the way, does this work at any frequency or just a select range? By looking at the three-transformer setup, this got me thinking about how SM uses three collector coils, each with their own rotating field coils. If we were to go with a single-frequency design. One could easily see how the top and bottom control segments could function as the two transformers, and the one in the middle could be the third. That way they are constantly feeding each other, and maybe the feedback could be achieved by inductive coupling between them?? If this is even somewhat true, then I see the importance of tuning off the exact coupling frequency a bit so that the voltages in the system won't multiply exponentially.

By the way, I forgot to include the diagram and pictures from my transformer circuit. Here they are.

God Bless,
Jason O

Hi Jason,

It can work on many frequencys, once you get too high >>1Mhz it doesnt work but thats just because the transformer cannot work at such high frequency.

I have just tried with 100 ohms load and 10 ohms load.  The effect remains.  Is this load low enough for you guys?

I see what you are saying about the 3 coils!  But it doesnt expalin 90 degree coupling to the collectors?

Also it wouldnt be DC with AC hash?  (if the effect is real at all).



Regards,

Dave.

Hi Dave,

From what I understand, the 90 degree coupling is not a direct phenomena but a result of the rotating magnetic field created by the control coils. The only way to directly couple two 90 degree coils is with the kicks. I've been thinking about this for a while (and about the comments Stefan made about my setup) and it occurred to me that the capacitive coupling created by the abruptly changing voltage is what creates the spikes and current flow. SO, if you can imagine the wire acting like a capacitor that you are tapping, and this cap is part of a resonant circuit, then you can essentially tank it up for free?

This is all purely speculation but at this point, I am trying to determine if I can create a pulsing voltage signal in a coil using the one-wire technique and induce oscillations in another coil without expending any power from the source. I plan to accomplish this simply by charging a large capacitor to a high voltage (100-200V, and use a MOSFET to switch the cap on and off into the primary of my transformer. Since I would only have one wire from the coil attached to the switching circuit, My guess is that the cap won't get drained from the pulses, but since I am creating large static voltage spikes in the coil, I can  induce oscillations in the second coil (if this is a transformer) via capacitive coupling, and run the circuit. I have already experimentally determined that the voltage gain can be as much as 4, so if I rectify the voltage to DC, I can use it to charge my cap to a higher voltage and pulse the coil at higher and higher voltages! But at the moment, I am at a loss trying to figure out how to make a good switching circuit for this. I have a bunch of 555 timers to use but I'm not sure how to correctly connect them to drive the MOSFETS to pulse the cap into my primary. What do you think?

God Bless,
Jason O

As SM told, he used a silicon rectifier BETWEEN the power transformer and the tube plates.

Besides, without the tube it seems to be impossible to analise the interaction between the heater AC and the rectified voltage.

well, all ya need to do, is connect a low ohm resistor to the filiment windings, and the doides between the plate & one side of the filiment windings in the transformer as you said & it SHOULD work the same way, but if Dave is getting the 5U4 anyway then there is no problem .

Quote from: gn0stik on October 09, 2006, 03:56:36 PM

Dave, that's what I meant, feed t3 with two in phase sine sources to replace t1 and t2.

This is all very interesting, and you may have stumbled upon something here, but the problem I have with it, is, where are the kicks? Have we stopped looking for them? If this is the true operation of SMs TPU, then why all the talk about kicks? Why did we look for them for so long. I guess we would be using one signal from the earth, and one man made one, and relying on chance superposition to create kicks?

If that's the case, why not just do this instead. It's much more controllable.

Also, although your set up was odd, and it could be posited that science would have over looked it because they would see no point in making a circuit like this; If you simplify it by removing T1, and T2, and Pumping T3 with two sine waves, and they still add, then science probably WOULD have stumbled upon this by now. See what I mean?

I'm not trying to rain on the parade, I just think we really need to perform due diligence here.

Also, have we thought about closing the loop? Or wiring the output of this to another similar device? Feeding T1 and T2 of another setup with T3 of your current device, and seeing if it continues to rise? If so, throw a fuse between the two, and close the loop, so it can't runaway. (I know it's not quite that simple)

My mind is kind of reeling at the moment, between being giddy, and skeptical, and bummed out that we are not seeing any SM type phenomena. No earth's magnetic field, no kicks, etc.

Also at some point we'll have to try this with toroidal xformers.

Regards,
Rich.

Rich,

I see what you are saying.  I have found it essentially impossible to use one transformer with two sine inputs.  The frequencys have to match 100% to the dot and the phases have to be 100% perfect or they will not add.  I have not been able to do this with two sine sources its too precise for what I have.

Thus I devised a way to create this perfect frequency and phase match by splitting it and adding back again.

I have not forgotten about the kicks or anything, I was lead somewhere and I thought it worth posting.

Everyone seems against it so I suggest we just drop it.  Maybe its too far off topic of maybe I am just talking crap?  After all I am just a hobbiest, Im not an engineer by trade.  In my working life I work for an international medical rescue company co-ordinating rescue of injured British Citizens abroad.  I have done this for 12 years, before this I studied electronics and have taught myself from then onwards.

So, back to the kicks, I have tons of test equipment so if anyone has any ideas on how we can create them I am all ears for ideas I can test for the group and post back.

Kosh is building the valve and power supply that SM started with, perhaps he can post this diagram and we can build this too?



Regards,

Dave.

Well, I think you took this entirely the wrong way.

I'm not saying to throw the baby out with the bathwater, your results speak for themselves. And no we're not all sying your crazy, or it's impossible.

There is a burden that any FE researcher must carry. Once you have achieved results, you have to confirm it with every possible test, that is all. You have to TRY to invalidate it with every means necessary to prove that it's valid. If it cannot withstand our own scrutiny, how will it ever withstand the scrutiny of mainstream science? We have to be our own toughest critics. How many designs have you seen that it is eventually discredited due to bad measurement.

If we have accidentally discovered another type of FE while trying to back-engineering the SM device.. . Thats FINE.. It's just not the specific thing we were looking for. If in fact you have discovered something here. Something that is so straight forward, that someone can build with PC power supply parts, and bits of wire, PERFECT. AWESOME.

Let me explain something about your setup.

It's easier to build than SM's device.
It's easier to control than SM's device.
It's easier to maintain operation than SM's device.
It's easier to cool than SM's device.

So do not mistake my saying that I was skeptical, and bummed out, that I meant it's impossible, and off topic.

I just meant that it seemed to be not very SM like, and that it needed further testing.. Does that mean it's useless in this discussion?

If it works... HELL NO.

Rich.