Hi Dave,
using your 2 transformer to double the amplitude of the sinwave
is probably energywise not right,
as you also double the inner resistance of this
sine wave power source, as you put 2 transformer output coils
in series and thus the inner power source resistance is also
doubled.
So if you apply an ohmic load to the output, you can only
draw the maximum power out,
when Rload=Rsource.

An example.
YOu have 2 battery sources with 2 Volts DC and each has a power supply inner resistance as 1 Ohm.
Now if you short them each out, you can draw from each source
4 Watts ( 2 Volts x 2 amps), so 8 Watts in total.

Now put both batteries in series.
Now you have 4 Volts and a total inner resistance
of 2 Ohm, so if you now short the output,
the 2 batteries deliver 4 volts and 2 amps, so also 8 Watts !

So you see, the same applies here with the AC setup of Dave by just using
transformers.
You add up source inner resistance and thus the output current
is lower and thus the energy conservation always applies...

But it could be different , if you look at pulses traveling from
both sides to a center point on a transmission line or a coil wire !

I will have a deeper look now into this.

Regards, Stefan.

I get what you are saying about the battery sources and the power outputs and resistive doubling, but Dave's setup seems a bit different, for instance...

First off, I can't get any simulations going that produce the output that Dave's scopes are showing. It's a very simple setup, why aren't the sims working.

Probably, because they already count in the source and load resistance ?

Another thing, the output he is seeing in volts across the resistor is double the amplitude of the two sine waves. It certainly seems like superposition.

One thing is for sure in all this, is you are inputing two sine waves with 1V pk-pk and they somehow combine with no energy input by you, and at the output they are now 2V pk-pk, that then is a for sure 2 times energy gain. A 2V pk-pk sine wave has 4 times the energy of a 1V pk-pk sine wave...

This only applies for open output and no load resistor or
very high ohmic load resistor !
So in real world application when you want to draw
power from it, just calculate the load resistor,
where you get the most power out and you find:
Rload=Rsource.
As Rsource is doubled you must also double
Rload, so your current is 4 times less and
thus you will not draw more power out !

If this would be this simple, it would
have been discovered long ago !

Regards, Stefan.

P.S. As my hobby is music I tried to design in earlier time
harmonizer circuit for music electronics, etc...

There is an analog circuity, that can half the frequency
of a sine wave.
it works by switching the polarity of the sine wave,
when the sine wave is at the center of the lower hill (valley).
Then the sine wave is inverted at this level and will
continue down for another period,
so the frequency is halfed.
(Okay, the half frequency sine wave
then looks a bit distorted, but the principle works,
only has a bit of harmonic distortion in it)

ALSO THE AMPLITUDE IS DOUBLED this way, so it seems this new
halfed frequency has more power in it !

Maybe we can do it this way also with the SM devices, if we tune
the output coils to half the frequency of the input kick
pulses of the control coils wrapped around the output coils !

Ok I have a very simple question.

Let's take a closed end toroid e.g. 1000 turns 10 cm radius with a base harmonic for 3.5 MHz

Mark the turn at 12 o'clock as 0
and let's say the turn at 3:00 o'clock as 250 (going clock wise)

Next splice a wire on the 0 turn and a wire at the 250 turn

Next apply a jolt of potential to those 2 wires

Do we have 2 sets of currents going through the toroid?
One current from turn 0 to turn 250 clock wise ( through consecutive  turns 0, 1,2, ? 248,249,250 for a total of 250 turns and ? of the toroid)?

The other current from turn 0 to turn 250 counter clock wise (through consecutive  turns 0, 999, 998,?252,251,250 for a total of 750 turns or  the other ? of the toroid)?

Do we have 2 standing waves rushing through the toroid at opposite rotations at different frequencies and effectively amplifying each other when the amplitudes are in sync?

Shouldn?t there be splice location where max amplification at max freq results?

Possibly at exact opposites?, or some harmonic multiple divisor of 1000 (in the example above 1000 turns were used)
I keep thinking closed toroid since in that video the simplest design about 5" dia (the one he placed on the glass table) there seemed to be no outside power sources driving the toroid
Or maybe use a pm to kick start the proccess intead of an outside VA source.

Any insights will be appreciated. Thx

Well, judging by what SM has said, it's possible to do what you are describing, but, by other descriptions of his layout this is probably not what he's doing, at least in the larger device. The counter rotating fields could easily be accomplished in two separate sets of controls rather than the same wire.

By splicing, do you mean simply soldering a lead at the 250 point?  Or closing it completely, and soldering two on? At any rate, there's really no way to know exactly what would happen without actually doing it. Basically, correct me if I'm wrong, but you would just get a hot toroid, as you've just made a big heating element if it's completely closed. You have to have output somewhere, and if you have two input and two out put, you might as well just make a bifilar toroidal xformer and feed it different signals in opposite directions. I may be missing something here, or simply dind't understand you, however.


Rich

Hi Jason,
seems to be "Avramenko plug",
what you have created there.
One wire electrical energy transfer
done by the Russian inventor Mr.Avramenko.

I also already tried something like this.
Works nicely, the only question is, if you can
extract some "free" electrons from the metal
and have more output this way.

The circuit is closed back to your function generator
capacitively, so what does your circuit draw
from the function generator ?

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan, this looks nothing like an AFEP to me. At least the diagrams are completely different than the ones on naudins site.

@Dave, what happens when you feed t3 directly with the two signals? Without going through t1 and t2 first?
Do you have the ability to do that?

Hey Stefan,

I can't seem to upload my videos directly to the forum here. So if you can download them from me and post them here, that would be great.

In the mean time, here is some information about my second circuit:

I used a simple 1:1 toroidal transformer (encapsulated in ferrite) along with a full wave rectifier I made out of Germanium diodes and a large cap to store the output power. I noticed that when you connect one lead from the function generator onto the primary of the transformer, and connect the rectifier circuit to the ends of the secondary, that when tuned, the output voltage amplitude can be almost 4 times the amplitude of the input.

Unlike the first circuit, this one ran at a much lower frequency, from 500-600 KHz but the power output was much greater than before. With a voltage input of about 9V from the frequency generator, I was able to produce 37 volts DC from the bridge rectifier at about 11mA which equates to 0.41Watts DC. This power output was achieved with the ground of the function generator connected to the secondary coil of my transformer. I included circuit diagrams of the setup so you all can test and verify the results for yourself. I also took pictures of the actual transformer I used in the experiment if anyone wants to get the exact one I used. All the specs for it are printed on it so I took multiple images of the transformer from different angles to capture all the information written on it. I'm not sure where to get these from since I got mine from the tech guy at my college. As soon as I get a chance, I make another set of videos showing the transformer circuit charging a cap and running a small DC motor. As a note, I marked one connection of the circuit as Optional. The ground lead from the function generator does not need to be connected there but I found that the capacitor charged faster with it connected.

What do you think of having one lead of the function generator connected to each side of the transformer? Does current still flow from the function generator with it connected in this fashion or is it still considered an open circuit?

God Bless,
Jason O

Hey Stefan,

I can't seem to upload my videos directly to the forum here. So if you can download them from me and post them here, that would be great.

In the mean time, here is some information about my second circuit:

I used a simple 1:1 toroidal transformer (encapsulated in ferrite) along with a full wave rectifier I made out of Germanium diodes and a large cap to store the output power. I noticed that when you connect one lead from the function generator onto the primary of the transformer, and connect the rectifier circuit to the ends of the secondary, that when tuned, the output voltage amplitude can be almost 4 times the amplitude of the input.

Unlike the first circuit, this one ran at a much lower frequency, from 500-600 KHz but the power output was much greater than before. With a voltage input of about 9V from the frequency generator, I was able to produce 37 volts DC from the bridge rectifier at about 11mA which equates to 0.41Watts DC. This power output was achieved with the ground of the function generator connected to the secondary coil of my transformer. I included circuit diagrams of the setup so you all can test and verify the results for yourself. I also took pictures of the actual transformer I used in the experiment if anyone wants to get the exact one I used. All the specs for it are printed on it so I took multiple images of the transformer from different angles to capture all the information written on it. I'm not sure where to get these from since I got mine from the tech guy at my college. As soon as I get a chance, I make another set of videos showing the transformer circuit charging a cap and running a small DC motor. As a note, I marked one connection of the circuit as Optional. The ground lead from the function generator does not need to be connected there but I found that the capacitor charged faster with it connected.

What do you think of having one lead of the function generator connected to each side of the transformer? Does current still flow from the function generator with it connected in this fashion or is it still considered an open circuit?

God Bless,
Jason O

Jason,
this way you have a capacitive coupling between
the primary and secondary coil of at least a few pico
to nanofarad.
At around 500 Khz square wave this is a low resistance ,
so the power comes almost all from your function generator.
See, how much light it will produce more,
if you connect bigger alufoils instead of the coil and
hang them high isolated into the air.

You can transfer the videos to my
FTP site at:

ftp://hartiupload:ftp@ftp.servage.net

or via an FTP Program like Smartftp.com

Server:
ftp.servage.net
user: hartiupload
password: ftp

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,

I am uploading the videos now. As for the issue with the capacitive coupling, this can occur rather the ground is connected to the circuit or not? If so, how do I measure the power consumed by the circuit. I have a multimeter to measure the current but since the frequencies I am working with are too high > 20KHz, my meter is no good. I can monitor the input voltage with my scope though. What would you recommend?

God Bless,
Jason O