found this interesting   http://www.vlf.it/FSR/FSR.html

A VLF receiver

EXTREMELY LOW FREQUENCIES RECEPTION 

The frequency range below 1 kHz is affected by many specific reception problems. Here we have a lot of hum noise: normally the principal quantity of hum noise is just there. We have less sensitivity of the antenna, because at so low frequencies the intrinsic capacity of the antenna becomes a super high impedance source and the adapting with the preamplifier became critical. Natural radio signal at ULF frequencies, like Schumann resonances, represents more critical reception respect whistlers, tweaks, statics and RTTY.

Besides the rain produces a lot of local hum noise below 500 Hz, caused by static field from ground to sky: when a storm cloud passes over our heads.
  Mike

Hi Dave,

ok sorry, Your definitely alittle way ahead of me here.

I was just thinking about sm's early videos, you know how he mentions that his device acts like a jet engine, i.e it winds up.
The middle coil on his first prototype could be part of an lc cct, just curious maybe we should try placing a magnet next to the odd oscillator cct to see if it makes a difference.

Cheers,

Dom 

So we have a mix of frequencys and rotating fields, in normal terms this still won't couple to the collector!  So it cannot be normal EM interaction, its must be something else, radiant energy, longitudinal EM wave or something.  And lets say you have a 90 degree coupling that works, what will make it so special that it won't be subject to the normal losses of 0 degree coupling?  In other words, lets say you had a 90 degree coupling that worked, why should this be overunity?  Where is the extra energy coming from?

Lets say even that some frequencys can mix and create a larger amplitude which contains more energy, like the two sinewaves adding.  This still wont couple to a 90 degree collector.  So what is going on?

I think its easy to get carried away with so many ideas, we need to get back to basics!  How can we get a 90 degree coupling?  How can this be possible?  Perhaps when this is clear, the rest will become clear?  The rotating frequencys and mix must in some way create a situation which allows the impossible 90 degree coupling...


Dave.

Hi Dave,

As far as it being overunity I guess there are only two options:

1. Radiant energy (overunity like Gray = abruptly interrupting the current before it reaches the end of the wire)

2. EM wave adding (4x power)

There aren't any other options of violating the law of conservation of energy are there?
So, if that's the case then SM's device has to operate by one of the above principles.....

Seeing as there is a 90 degree coupling (which is for sure as far as i can see) it could only be radiant energy,RIGHT?

I must say that the wave adding to me sounds just as promising as the whole TPU itself, but that should be something for a seperate topic i guess.

You seem to think along the same lines, reading you recent posts......

Regards Dutchy

Hi Kosh,
well done your experiment.

How high in amplitude are the pulses in the blue coil ?
Just a few millivolts or in the Volts region ?

Why do you get multiple spikes ?
Is this the Mark effect?

Maybe you need some more windings in
the input coils ? Otherwise you waste too much
input energy, cause the resistance is too low !


Good luck !

Regards, Stefan.

Stephan,

In Kosh's experiement he is ringing the large coil. I have performed the same experiement with a large collector coil and a control coil pulsing it with a 200khz 50% duty cycle squarewave and got the similar results.

I believe the signal is reflecting  from the end of the wire and bouncing back and forth until it dies off (diminishing in strength). If Kosh adjusts the horizontal time base he can see just one pulse on his scope (with resultant reflections) then use his delta function on the scope to determine the period of the first cycle thus giving him the coils resonant frequency (at least a close idea of it). In my experiements I checked the first cycle of the signal and found that with a 200khz input signal the period of the first cycel of the induced induced pulse in the collector is around 3Mhz. Since I had wound my coil using 16Ga lamp cord (stranded) I had a ready made Bilfialr coil so I connected it in series and retested, the resultant frequency halved from the first.

With these results I was wondering about SM's coils and their resonant frequency, I came up with 2 possibilities, the first is the coil must be an antenna (loop) and the wavelength of the antenna must be fractional (1/8 wave or so), I need to work that out yet. Thus the collector will need to be tuned to the desired freqency with the addition of a capacitor to increase the output. The second is that SM's coils are tuned to the 3Mhz band and he is tapping the ambient pulses from Lightining strikes which exist in that frequency band to beat against.

in either case I am thinking that the collector coil is needing a capacitor to create a tuned LC tank circuit to re-enforce the signal pulses and increase its strength.

I will post some pictures of the scope results later this weekend to show the similar results to Kosh.

These results plus my idea of a simple crystal radio for the signal generation (starting signal source) using a magnet to act as a simple amplifier may provide the key to a regenerative signal source.

I came to this conclusion using the following:

      1) Center smal torrid coil with a capacitor using a non conductive core

      2) small coil means higher frequency reception than 5khz (possibly)

      3) a small germanium diode as a detector to create positive pulses

      4) Feedback loop from the large torrid coil via magnetic induction to the smaller one in the center

      5) The radio theory re: loop antennas and being directional and they can be part of the input tank circuit to the crystal receiver (we can use the center winding of the large torrid as the loop)

      6) The output of the receiver is linked back to the large torrid via a control coil (this is the speaker for the receiver module)

      7) Even if the receiver is picking up static/noise the pulses are usable to drive the large coil arrangement (short duration pulses)

       SM mentioned that the worst case scenario of lots of frequencies will produce better results (the output of the receiver will have noise)

      9) The crystal receiver will have a small DC component in its output which can setup a small magnetic field in the control coil to help directionalize the signal rotation (this is a natural by product of the crystal receiver design)

     10) The magnetic field from the magnet will increase the effective size of the receivers pickup/tuning coil (antenna theory again).

These are the facts as I see them so far, I may be off base here but I am thinking that we are looking at a simple regenerative receiver.

I am building a crystal receiver today to test some of these assumptions and goign to try the following:

    1) wind a small torrid aircore coil for the input tank circuit with a large value cap to form the LC tank

    2) connect a germainium diode with the appropriate bypass caps (,001 & .1 uf)

    3) check signal reception/levels with and without a ceramic magnet near the tank circuit

    4) if the above shows promise connect it to my existing coil to see if it has an affect

Hopefully I can get this experiement completed this weekend if family obligations do not distract.

again this is my theory and maynot hold water but I am thinking this is a valid direction.


Regards,

Carl

But we have to think about this, current doesnt travel down a pipe like water, making its way to the end.  Although crude, its more like a tube of marbles that is already filled up (a wire).  We then push one marble in the end, so one must immediatly come out the other end, they do not make their way down.  The moment it flows at one end, it is flowing at the other, how then can you cut it off before it reaches the other end?

But with a spark gap, its different, the air in the spark gap its not build in to the circuit, its open, so you could cut it off while the spark is in mid air, before it reaches the other side of the gap.  Hence teslas interupted spark gap.

Dave.

All true....are we sure there isn't a way to create a radiant energy burst without a spark gap? If there isn't doesn't that rule out this principle for the TPU?
On the other hand, if we look at the GRAY circuit he DOES spend some electrons to make the thing work. He just puts some of the gain back to the battery. So if we basically would replace the gray tube with a mosfet and spend some electrons in the process it wouldn't be such a problem, would it?
When you were testing with the transistors what voltage did you use? You need a very high DC voltage to accomplish the radiant burst!

Dutchy

But I believe there are other ways to acheive this using bucking fields (of a sort).  I am testing something at the moment.  If there are any results I will of course post.  TPU could have colliding fields too, which give it the interial feel, not sure.

Hi again,

Yes, you're right. It is ppossible that way, which brings us back to Tao's drawing where the control coils are creating bucking fields. I think you still need substantial voltage for it though.
Dave, are you able to test something like that? Wrap up two coils, and lengthwise put a stout wire through it, create bucking fields and see if there is a voltage on the stout wire? This would be an outcut of the toroid..... If the TPU is based on that then this little test should work too!

Dutchy

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