Quote from: Mr_Video on September 30, 2006, 08:00:14 PM

well, post the link to the story, I would like to read it,
I have an open mind, and maybe it would change my mind

The whole account of this is in the post you quoted from

Jacob

ok, sorry
I thought you were referring to another story from somewhere else.

I did read the story that was posted here, I'm just saying that lightning shouldn't be ruled out because it didn't behave like the way you or me or the Chicago Fire Dept. would expect lightning to behave, lightning can & does do some very strange things .

that post did mention that a CRT "explosion" can kill people, and it no doubt can,
I have seen the result of a CRT implosion in a TV from the 1950s (before they used implosion protection) & the pieces were thrown out to 20 feet away (big pieces) !

my point is that I don't know how they determined if the whole TV EXploded or IMploded .

maby he is using conditioned magnets as oscillators

Floyd Sweet's VTA or SQM "The Space Quantum Modulator".

http://www.hyiq.org/Library/Floyd_Sweet.html

Mike

... you guys because you all seem to be set on the rotational magnetic fields as the operating point of SM's devices.

Absolutely. This is the way to go.

... These control wires/coils are pulsed with DC via the dumping of a capacitor through these control wires/coils...

Tao, the TPU starts without any power at all. and as you quote yourself from SM:

Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver.

The incoming signal in a radio receiver is picked up by a resonant circuit. Such a circuit produces a sinewave. No pulsed DC here!

 
You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.

As he says:  "the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source". We are definetively dealing with a sinewave here.

Now, what about the collector coils you say? Glad you asked. Since the magnetic field that is flying around the toroid is PARALLEL to the HORIZONTAL collector wires/coils, there can't be any induced current in the collectors, because a magnetic moved along a copper wire parallel to it induces NO current.

If the magnetic field was parallel to the collector wires, you would be right: there wouldn't be any induced current in the collector. However, that is not the case. Maybe there is a misconception about this. The rotating magnetic field is PERPENDICULAR to the collector. This creates a field within the torroid center, pretty much like the rotor of a turbine. Therefore the field is similar to the simulation seen on the attached picture below. A field parallel to the collector would be entirely confined inside the torroid.

Ok, now, here are some quotes from Steven's MANY postings on overunity.com that relate directly and support the above theory:

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My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to dissipate into a load.

NOTE HERE THAT HE IS SAYING THAT THE COLLECTOR WIRES/COILS ARE THE WIRES THAT DIRECTLY CONNECT TO THE LOAD, NOT THE CONTROL WIRES, THIS SUPPORTS THE THEORY OF THE HORIZONTAL COLLECTOR WIRES BEING LOOP ANTENNAS...

If the load was connected to the control coils, they wouldn't be control coils. And vice-versa for the collector. But you are right when you say that the power from the collector is feed back to the control coils. This is why we need 3 collector coils. Two are these are feed back to a different set of control coils, the third one is for the load. Alternatively, it would also be possible to use only only 1 collector coil for feedback, but the control coil circuit would have to be wired differently.

The addition/change is that instead of simply creating a SIMPLE rotational magnetic field in ONE direction, you instead must create TWO rotational magnetic fields in opposite directions. When you have two THINGS rotating on the same axis in opposite directions you create a GYROSCOPE.

Perhaps. But most gyroscope you'll encounter are unidirectional. Plus, keep in mind that if there were 2 counter-rotating fields, the TPU would works perfectly when placed upside down. This is not so.

YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES  PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR.  THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.

Seems to me as evidence that the rotating field is perpendicular to the collector, not that the magnetic field is bi-directional.

Yes, I agree, why does everybody assume that magnetic fields are so single dimensional?

Two counter-rotating fields move in the same plane. What SM is saying here relates to the spiraling effect of the energy wave being tapped. Pretty muck like the nails shaped like corkscrews in the imploding tv set incident.

The basics of the matter are, if you have two counter-rotating fields moving about, say on next to the other, or one above the other, the AREA BETWEEN these counter-rotating fields will have a STANDING WAVE(or rotating STANDING WAVE if the frequencies are not 100% matched) setup, a sort of interferance wave setup which is the result of those two opposing-rotating magnetic fields.

Yes, and that is most probably what is happening in the TPU: a standing wave is created. But you can achieve the same result with 2 different signal going in the same direction.

One interesting thing to add is that in the videos of those first two models of Stevens, the ones unlike the later toroidal models, they both have an upper and lower 'ring', the first one having those saw blades, and the other having those ring cores, my theory fits perfectly in with those models because in both of those you have two distinct rings(the upper and lower) where you could place two distinct rotational magnetic fields...

Yes, the videos show 2 different architecture for the TPU: one uses regular coils grouped by pair on 2 different axis, the other use the torroid approach. These 2 are equivalent. More about this later if you want...

Now, in regards to the SM17 device lets think about the control electronics that we can see...

The two capacitors with resistors attached near the edge of the inner toroid could be the FREQUENCY GENERATORS that go into the CONTROL WIRING, which also create the ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD STANDING WAVES which are then picked up in the two LOOP ANTENNAS(the collector wires) in the SM17.

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Oh, and all the electronics you see in the middle, the two small toroidal transformers with the two caps,

THESE ARE THE RESONANT CIRCUITS!,

they EACH HAVE a 1:1 simple toroidal transformer with a matching capacitor to capture energy from the LOOP ANTENNAS via the TWO rotating magnetic fields, and note that the smaller devices DON'T have TWO of these transformers with caps, but only ONE, thereby coinciding with the above theories nicely.

SM3 and SM6 are passive devices in a sense: they use only one resonant circuit per frequency, and the control coils are the L part of such circuit. SM17 on the other hand is an active device, in the sense that the the signal fed to the control coils is produced by primary oscillators closely integrated with control electronics to prevent the device from "tuning in too closely".

Regards,

Jacob

I have been trying to simulate this (reverb) stacking effect shown in your simulations for two days now, and have missed the last 25+ pages of posts. My results have been inconclusive so far, so I would still like to know the name of the application you used to plot this waveform...

Were all frequencies pure sine (+/-) or was one absoulte sine (0/+)?
Can you explain the exact proccess you used to simulate this waveform?
Can you PLEASE tell me the name of this app?

Dingus,

You have to ask Marco what program he used. But also be aware that since then, Marco said that the results were flawed.

Regards,

Jacob

Further info on older TVs.
I have a 2 foot diam glass? dish from a vintage 50s tv that I use as a parabolic concave mirror for focusing sunlight into a highly focused point of light. It works exceedly well because the glass appeared semi opaque before I mirrored it. That makes the inside of the glass darkened, which gives the silver side  better reflection. Who I received this from told me that it was impregnated with lead. I asked this person what it's function was in the tv. He replied 'It's a radiation shield'. TVs back then put out alot of high powered freqs. The picture is attached.

Hello all,

Just thought this could be useful. To help everyone understand how you get a rotating magnetic field with 2 sinewaves, I have attached 2 drawings, one for each TPU architecture. This illustrates what happen when we have 2 similar frequencies that are 90 degrees out of phase. These drawings are not as nice as Tao's cad rendering of the TPU windings, but they should do the job.

The aligned winding architecture is easier to understand than the torroidal architecture, but corresponding phases of each architecture represent a similar field orientation. And they both  produce a magnetic field similar to the one shown on the animated gif below. A similar rotation will be obtained even with dissimilar frequencies or varying phases.


Regards,

Jacob

A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents. However, in practice such a system would be supplied through a three-wire arrangement with unequal currents. This inequality would cause serious problems in standardization of the conductor size and so, in order to overcome it, three-phase systems are used where the three currents are equal in magnitude and have 120 degrees phase difference. Three similar coils having mutual geometrical angles of 120 degrees will create the rotating magnetic field in this case. The ability of the three-phase system to create a rotating field, utilized in electric motors, is one of the main reasons why three-phase systems dominate the world's electrical power supply systems.

Thanks for bringing this up Marco, its very accurate. But we don't want to supply the grid with industrial grade electricity able to power 3 phases ac motors, we're just rotating a magnetic field exactly like a deflexion yoke would do. And we're doing it with 4 wires, not 3. So this is no feat at all. Now don't forget: a deflexion yoke is magnetically identical to a TPU.   

Marco, remember we were told to avoid mainstream ideas. We have to stay open minded if we want to achieve our objective: we want to build this thing! 

Regards,

Jacob