All well and good....
But the toroid has an emmission face that points inward towards itself, the center. And that is where the compression comes in.
When you apply a square wave, on the front side of the pulse the magnetic field ramps up, but on the trailing edge, the force slams back to normality exceedingly faster than the up start due to not only the earth's magnetic force but the magnetic force of the compression. Huge back-emp. On the scope you see the current pulse as that happens. Nature abhors a vaccum.
That is the 'Kick', and the harmonic buzzing and the gyroscope leveling effect. Plus the fact that the first lines of flux generated break apart from the center and envelope the unit spherically, more potential built up. Again, on the trailing edge these outer flux lines break, unleashing more power, back to enveloping the toroid and decease through the windings. A sine wave can't produce this effect as great.
It slowly relaxes and looks like the generated freqency. But again, the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. All this work is very dependent on how the unit impresses force and vibration to create interference against the earth's magnetic field. Tesla talked about this.

Did you even bother to read it? Honest, I'm absolutely positive you'll be impressed. Everything you are saying agrees with it. Aside from the square wave part. I'm not sure if it specifically spoke about that.

However, as I said, before, it explains a lot about how the TPU interacts with the earth's magnetic field, ideas for frequencies to tune coils to, how to make coils more sensitive to the magnetic field, how they behave when perturbed by strong LOCAL field.. Good data here. I'm not saying we start building magnetometers, but there's a lot we can learn from them. SM's device does the same thing as a magnetometer, but on a MUCH LARGER SCALE. This specific Magnetometer is a proton precession magnetometer, which utilizes hydrogen electron spin for accuracy in detection, it's basically a toroid circumferencially wound around a WATER core.. bizarre.. Most are simple toroidal coils with a secondary wrapped around the outside diameter, with a ferrite core... Some have 4 coils wound vertically, and then have one wound around the diameter... Air core (kinda remenicient of something eh?)...

Again, i'm not suggesting that we completely chase this rabbit, Just use what applies to what we are doing.. Skin it so to speak.. There is useful information here.

I attached another example of a different magnetometer setup, this one is a "fluxgate".

Let's kick some ass, boys! It's about to get real cool!

I agree.

 
Rich

MARCOS,

just keep playing it and the eventually, if you take your surge protectors out, you will see the kick.  damn and i thought you were getting close.  have you tried turning on the air conditioner. seriously.  the best two ways to get a power surge, "kick", is to either wait or create an electrical high pressure system, such as with lightning, or to upset the flow of electrons, by switching!  does your setup take either one of these into consideration?  most likely, and correct me if i'm wrong, your using a computer system of some sort and the weather is fine.

lol
keep up the good work, i really did think you were about to get the "kick".  it deffinately looked like you had on a harmonic coupling that had a growing wave.

sam

tao,

nice graphics.  i think everybody should be taking a look at those:dude!  have you got any coments on what has happened today so far, or, is it tomorrow already? 

seems like a fairly active day.  have you seen the shot, Marcos gave us of the 7.8hz, 7.4hz, and the 5kh frequencies combined into a note?

  intereting how the wave started to propogate.

what are your thoughts on that?

glad the MIB hav'nt gotten you,lol
sam

tao,

i think of the horizontal wire or wires in stevens coil can truly be the collector coils.  if you think about winding a loop of wire around any other wire you can induce a current on it by simply initiating a current through the wire wrapping the first wire.  with the current in the wire you wraped around the first wire, you are inducing a moving magnetic force! now since the first wire is also a loop, what is going to happen?

it seems to me that you should deffinatly be able to see why the first wire loop is the collector. now if a current is running in the first and second wire loop assemblies, what does that do to the current or voltage in the first?  answer these correctly and mabe we can move on to joining coils.

lol
sam

Quote from: -[marco]- on September 30, 2006, 06:20:14 AM

@ tao

what would be big?

i cant make verry much of the image... but i do have some 6mm wire.
do you think its that fat?

if you do ill role another one

No, no...

I am not suggesting that you or anyone else at this stage make bigger collector coils.

I was mearly referencing that video, which I admit is hard to see, I will try to make better images, regardless, in the video, what everyone was thinking was just some black cork material or something in the cut portion of the TPU, now appears, after some review, to have three embedded multistranded coils. If I am right about my video analysis, then it certainly confirms for sure that Steven was indeed using 3 horizontal multistranded collector coils. I was just saying they were big so that people might be able to more easily see them in that short video...

Now, the reason BIGGER MUTLISTRANDED wire, i.e. more diameter,  is better is due to the Tesla radiant energy and it's production and collection...

The way in which Tesla/Gray collected this 'radiant energy discharge' was to have COPPER, must be copper, at 90 degrees to the DISCHARGING(KICK GENERATING) WIRE. Now, the MORE COPPER you have in this AREA that is 90 degrees to the discharging wire, the MORE 'radiant energy' you can COLLECT! Its a function of mass and area in terms of copper. The more copper the more reception.......

Why need it be multistranded wire then? This has to due with how Steven made the device work and he found that there was a lot of eddy current side effects and using multistranded copper wires lowered the adverse eddy heating of the copper collector coils........

For now, any amount of copper for the collectors is fine, don't go making the collector coils BIG, UNTIL we get the KICKS working .

It seems to me that the collector wiring is just 3 or 4 turns for each coil, of a large diameter multistrand, like speaker wire or something. Is that what you are seeing? You can even make out the vague ovals of the inner vertical coils, it's just a faint outline. I cannot see the overall outside coil, but I'm assuming that's because of the tape. The entire thing seems to be held to gether with some form wood on top and bottom. This would be good for mounting transistors etc, as you could just cut little holes in the wood, and tape over them to keep them in place, and accessible, for maintenance.

So, now, I need to ask if anyone read the first PDF I posted about magnetometers.

I know Tao will, he's a reader. And he knows the value of the amasci.com stuff. It's a mind blower man. READ IT. If you read it, I know it won't go away without some serious consideration. It wont' change our coil setup I don't think, but it's defenitely going to help us figure a lot out, and answer a whole LOT of questions. There's too much in common. But what would we expect from another device that generates electrical current from the earth's magnetic field?

@sam, yes we know it's the collector coil, we gathered that from description sent to us from SM in PMs a while ago, made a drawinging of it, and it's posted more than once in this thread. There is a lot of stuff we've already been through, perhaps a good read of all the stuff we were up to might be a good idea to avoid redundancy. You threw the bunching effect out earlier today as if it was something new too. Really man, go read up, knowlege is your friend..

Sam,

I don't really understand how your loops are positionned one from another. If your seconth loop is just around the first one, you won't achieve much except regular induction.

...using the same facts as the current producing a magetic field in the first wire as guide can anyone tell me which way it would be best to have the magnetic field in the second loop of wire flowin?  i really don't know.  my theory is that it would be best to have the current of the second wire also running counter clockwise, so that the manetic field would be "kicking along" the current in the first wire loop.  but that is just a theory.  other things to ponder are if you have a current running in the second wire loop auond the first wire loop can the magnetic field created by the current induce a current on the first wire loop (collector)?

Hi GiantKiller,

That is the 'Kick', and the harmonic buzzing and the gyroscope leveling effect. Plus the fact that the first lines of flux generated break apart from the center and envelope the unit spherically, more potential built up. Again, on the trailing edge these outer flux lines break, unleashing more power, back to enveloping the toroid and decease through the windings. A sine wave can't produce this effect as great.
It slowly relaxes and looks like the generated freqency. But again, the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. All this work is very dependent on how the unit impresses force and vibration to create interference against the earth's magnetic field. Tesla talked about this.

You are right: the square wave has infinitely more frequencies and harmonics. And this is why the square wave is able to produce the kicks. However it requires circuitry to generate, and thus, power. And SM device has no battery, remember? But if we are already tuned to the frequency responsible for the kicks, the square wave is not needed.

Regards,

Jacob

So from and what Bedini says about it all being about fast rise times, the coil is only responding to the fast rise signal, the rest of the resonance signal is normal if you see what I mean?  We should just focus on the start of the signal, its purley the fast rise pulse that couples, the rest can be ignored...

Hi Dave and everyone,

You might be right there. Is it possible for you to try the same again with a very low duty cycle squarewave (few percent, the lower the better). I would like to see if you get the same level spike at the beginning and if the ringing wears off much quicker. If that's the case then that might be the way to generate the kicks.
Also, I was thinking of the kicks and what exactly they should be. Seeing as the kicks are the beginning of the whole proces they can't be radiant, because for the radiant pulses to be created you need elektricity to begin with, right? The only way as far as i know to start generating energy from "nothing" is through induction. The induction is either caused by the earth magnetic field or the insertion of the magnet. So is it right to conclude that first induction is needed and with that the radiant pulse are created which in turn are picked up by the collectors?
Does this reasoning make sense to anyone?

regards dutchy