Hi All,

Again read this url:-

http://www.arar93.dsl.pipex.com/mds975/Content/aerials1.html
From Url:- Ive just taken bits and pieces, note important bits in bold:-

....The circuit for a loop aerial could not be simpler, being a spiral loop consitsting of 10 turns* of

7/0.2mm 'hook-up' wire wound on the 40cm former, and a tuning capacitor to resonate the loop aerial at

different frequencies. .....

A Loop or Frame aerial is a wonderful tool to assist longwave and mediumwave reception....
....not only will it dramatically 'boost' the signal received compared to using a portable radio's

internal ferrite rod aerial ........
..... the loop will tune very sharply to the required frequency will rejecting all others........
.... The bigger the area of the loop the more signal it will collect.....
.....The radio is simply placed in the middle of the loop and the signals collected are transferred to

the radio via its internal ferrite rod aerial.........



Now I'm convinced that this is a very important part of SM's device, all SM's devices are based on two ring aka LOOPS

Tune this to 7.8hz earths magnetic field......has anyone tried this yet?

Sincerely,

Dom

Phew Dave,

You seem to know your stuff. I understand what you are saying about the collector coils in the centre, but what if we look at this at a different angle for the moment, now sorry for my simplistic view.

The collector coils in the inside of the rings are just there to create this jet turbine or rotational field, like what you have already demonstrated, i.e we are not concerned with that part being the tuned cct, the tuned cct is the finer windings that you can see on the bottom ring, at the bottom. I.e the coils are just there to amplify and increase the turbine effect, this then is induced into the larger winding you see just above the finer winding coils, once this all starts off it's like feeding itself.

Lets keep each system seperate and they have all seperate functions, but when used together, its like a generator,

I guess the easy way to look at it, is hydro electricity, the energy were tapping into is the running water which drives the turbine. The turbine is just one part of the system, then that turbine drives a shaft which is connected to a generator which creates electricity.

So the sum of all the parts makes it happen.

Does this make sense?

Dom

Need to add this bit of info on my last bench test.

I was using a 6" form with 4 200 turn coils of #22 wire. If considering a clock, at 3 6 9 12. The coils are in series starting at 6---12---8---3  with the sig gen pos on 3. I had a small coil around a magnet with a cap across it. Unable to read the value of the cap sadly but think its 222k at 250v.

Anyhow, as I reached its resonance point at around 190k, I could see in the scope output that the signal being passed to the coil on the mag was being modulated by "something". I turned off the light and everything that I could think of in the vacintiy. This had no effect to the signal. The modulation was very strong too. Almost like an audio signal impressed on a carrier wave. At one point I was reading 4 volts and I did check the scope setting to make sure what I was seeing. My gen is 1.5v p/p as the input directly to the coils.

I would like to hear ideas here?  I am at a loss with this one. I could put a green led on the output and get it to light up fairly good. Is there  a tv channel around 190k, as I do have line of sight with big towers that have am/fm/tv on them.

sugra

Hi Don,

Nice post!  Regarding the voltages required for radiant discharge.  I know Tesla used very high voltages, but Ed Gray's system is only 5kV?  Is it not more to do with the speed, etc of the DC pulse?  As long as there is a spark of course?



Regards,


Dave.

Hi Dave,

Yes, and from what we know about SM's device, there is also a 5Kv component in his as well.

I was just saying that Tesla himself considered these 3 criteria important.  That, of course, does not mean it is neccesarily so, just that he thought it was. 

I think Tesla established for certain that the first two criteria ARE absolutely neccessary, though.  And I think he made it pretty clear that the difference between a hot radiant that would kill you and  hit you with a palpable pressure wave even when out of range of the spark , and a cold radiant which at the right frequency could wash right over you with no ill effect were completely dependant on the frequency.  He also noted that there were a whole range of different effects dependant on the specific frequency.  It is a shame that there is nothing available in the literature where he notes the specifics of what EXACTLTY all the various effects were.  Then again, we should count ourselves lucky that he did note the ones he did.

I also believe that this is the fundemental reason SM's device produces a hot radiant, which in turns produces a pretty conventional electric current on the output which can hurt you, and Gray's device which produces a cold radiant which produces a very unconventional output where you can plunge wire, bulb, and hand into water without ill effect, the frequency.

Then again, it may be a matter of how the fields are decoupled to release the radiant.  The difference between hot and cold radiant could just be determined by whether you decouple the inductive component  or whether you decouple the capacitive component of the circuit.  The mechanism by which you do one or the other is not entirely clear to me, however.

I do think for the purposes of experimentation you want to begin by getting a coiled tuned to resonate with the lightning RF.  When we have something producing a measurable voltage and current no matter how feeble, then we can begin playing with how he is making this wee bit of energy into something useful.

Once you do get a measurable current, you'll want to put a detector in the circuit and listen with a set of phones to make sure you are not just picking up a broadcast wave.

I still think that once you account for all of the radio traffic in the 100 hertz to 500K hertz range that any specific narrow gaps that aren't being used would be a very telltale sign that that gap not being used is what we want.  The problem is figuring out what IS being used.  The militaries of the planet use all manner of obscure freq's all the way down into ELF for their clanditsine purposes and for security reasons.  They are not about to make these things publc knowledge.  The only way to know for sure that you are picking up a natural wave  is to try demodulating it, if it contains no voice or data signal, etc., then it is fair game.

So the first thing we need to do is build a conventional crystal radio that operates in this frequency range. It might take building several different ones that operate in several different ranges, like one that operates from 100k htz to 200k Htz, then one at 200k to 300k, and so on. Put a good single wire antenna and ground on them and start tuning.  Note any freqs that are all carrier with no signal in each band, and the strongest one wins, it has to be the lightning RF.  Once that specific freq is known we can build our loop antenna to resonate at that specific freq and only that freq.  The lightning freq should stand out like a sore thumb once it is tuned in by the amount if power it produces.

Next, assuming our signal has a sufficient voltage and  current to power a conventional circuit, we design a circuit that turns it into a  DC pulse somewhere in the critical freq range at 5Kv.  I would expect the current to be extremely small at this point.  At this point you dump it into an arrangement of coils designed to extract the radiant and dump it into an adjacent coil, producing a current , which is fed back into the system, etc.

Now this could be where the power is produced, and then again maybe not.  Just as in my way of thinking the radio circut is used solely to provide an initial power source for the device and nothing else, this pulsing circuit and second set of coils may serve no other purpose than to set up a rotating magnetic field  and create our vortex by rotating at MHtz velocities, and it is the energy of this vortex that is picked up by our final coil, which is designed and wound so as to intersect this rotational energy.

A few more tidbits:

In the reports that have been made public that were written by those that actuallly witnessed the SM device, the weight of them has been reported to be in the ounces range for the intermediate sized units, like 12 ounces, so no metellac iron or steel cores can be in these devices.

As an iron or metellic core torroid confines the field to the interior of the torroid, and this would directly oppose the purpose of the tuned coil antenna to act like one many times bigger than its actual size, you have a second reason why it cannot be metallic.

The third reason it cannot be metallic is the ease with which he cuts the one apart on the video.  I don't care what kind of blade you put in a jigsaw, nothing metallic cuts that easy.
PVC doesn't cut that easy!  Whatever, it is it cuts practically like styrofoam or cork.  Likewise any steel or iron windings would put up more resistence than we see here, which indicates to me only copper windings of a single layer

SM's comment about bailing wire, is I believe, a euphanism.  It means something that is cobbled together with whatever parts are at hand, not that bailing wire is literally used.  While that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't use it, I seriously doubt that he did in any of these devices.

Yours,

Don

so we have two loops, two horizontal vortices and two vertical vortices.

In the early 1930?s in Austria, Victor Schauberger, e.g. fabricated conical pipes of special materials, which contained a corkscrew turbine. Operated by an electric motor, the spiral turbines screwed water into a vortex flow and directed the water onto a conventional water turbine coupled to a generator.

Schauberger claimed that as the water was screwed faster and faster, it suddenly began to produce enormous amounts of energy. Coupled to a dynamo, the turbine began to produce more electricity than the input motor was consuming. The system quickly went out of control as the apparatus tore itself away from its mountings and smashed itself against the ceiling.

When Schauberger experimented with air turbines, he found the same thing happened. Regardless of the medium, vortex motion seemed to generate energy, apparently out of nowhere, and also produced a powerful anti-gravity force.

John R. Searl, a British electrical engineer, had similar experiences in the beginning of the 50`s. He constructed an arrangement of spinning discs to generate and spin an electric charge. His apparatus consisted of a segmented rotor disc, which was set spinning at great speed through electromagnets at its periphery. The electromagnets, energized from the rotor, were intended to boost the electro-motive force. The generator was about one meter in diameter.

To begin with, it produced the expected electric power, but at an unexpectedly high voltage. This quickly exceeded a million volts producing a crackling sound and the smell of ozone.

In Searl?s own words: "Once the machine has passed a certain threshold of potential, the energy output exceeded the input. From then on the energy output seemed to be virtually limitless".

Then something really spectacular happened. As the generator continued to increase in potential, it lifted off the ground and broke free of its mountings and the engine. It floated in the air, all the time spinning faster and faster. The air around it glowed pink with ionization and nearby radio receivers were switched on spontaneously due to electromagnetic induction. Then the apparatus accelerated off into space and was never seen again.

An American inventor, Joseph Newman, has also found that "free energy" could be obtained from vortex motion by electromagnetic fields spinning.

Like other vortex generators, Newman?s apparatus appeared to produce energy out of nowhere ? at least from the known dimensions, yet his version did not go out of control.

Different physicists had tested his device and confirmed that the input power in the test was 7 and 14 Watts yielding efficiencies of 700% and 1400% respectively.

In 1987 Newman had his generator operating as the engine of a car built on a Porsche chassis. Started by a battery the car ran without any input of fuel. However, the American Patent Office refused to grant him a patent for his invention on the grounds that it was, to all intents and purposes, a perpetual motion machine. Consequently the commercial development of his engine was effectively blocked.

When Trombly attempted to patent his uni polar generator, the U.S. Patent Office turned him down on similar grounds. Nonetheless, the U.S. Defense authorities took a court order against him and threatened him with a 10 years imprisonment for infringing secret government research into uni-polar generators.

Similar obstacles happened to Schauberger vortex turbines. After W.W.II the Allies thoroughly discouraged him by putting him in protective custody, and destroying his apparatus and papers. The American authorities forbade him to resume his research under threat of re-arrest.

The British authorities treated Searl in much the same way.

Other similar experiments have been opposed, ignored or ridiculed by the university establishments. If being labeled as a pseudo-scientist did not stop further research,  prosecution and "accidents" in the lab did the job.

Duuuuuudes! This is exactly what David Hamel reported!
http://www.world-famous.com/DavidHamelStuff/Hamel-Physics.html See diagrams. Spinning rings.

@ marco,
I will have another gravity field to post here shortly.

-- giantkiller, on our way back home...

Well things sure are hot and flying here.

I want to post a picture showing the toroidial field generator in place when working.
It is pretty simple and I wish any feedback. This is not an idea. This is how it sits in the earth's field.
Naturally, the collector would be tuned. I am guessing to some component of the interference of the rotating field against the earth's field?
Anyway, this is where we are right now. Freqs, tunings, and close.

--giantkiller, one step over the line.

strange things....

i was working on one too.
i compared the two and they fittet exactly

I am not too sure where the energy or fields go. But this application is right on target.

I posted this before but got shot down. Thanks, marco for the affirmation and glad I was able to affirm others.
Ive seen that picture in my head for months now. I just wanted everybody to be on board. Our talents are down many paths of this project. This cohesive, symbiosis is really Yahweh cool.

--giantkiller, one small step for us and one big freakin' leap for all.