Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark" (Read 1242988 times)

giantkiller · « **Reply #1710 on:** October 29, 2006, 02:14:29 AM »

Quote from: mrd10 on October 29, 2006, 02:55:47 AM

@GK,

Nice graphics on TPU operation, regarding the Tesla patent 390 721.

@Coil builders out there, has anyone tried putting two sinewaves into the drawing I made of the coils?, thats this one:-

Hi Dom,
The drawing you have is the output connections. What my flash file was depicting are the N/S fields and how they are arranged when the communtators conduct, which are dc pulses.

@dave, I need verification on what I showed the fields are like. Does the swf seem plausible?
Thanks.

--giantkiller.

giantkiller · « **Reply #1711 on:** October 29, 2006, 05:10:12 AM »

Quote from: Kosh on October 29, 2006, 03:45:56 AM

Quote from: Mannix on October 29, 2006, 03:22:51 AM
I will add that Steven has said that there were many different configurations and combinations of wiring that gave a result.
Has an body considered the "interactions" between the transformers on about page 3?
Is there a possibility that the out of phase transformers have an electrical property that is not normally exploited?

It is interesting that I was thinking exactly on that interaction when I read your post...
Those bifilar windings may be a combination of control AND collector coils.
That way you would have four transformers interacting together.

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Does everybody understand the implications of high voltage high current and high frequency and the effect that it has on body tissue?

I did feel that effect right on my hand more than once. It hurts...badly...

Kosh

That is what I have on my Big coil. It is also iron core. I have driven it sine I got my controller fixed. I need to up the freqs on the clocks still. Probably today.

--giantkill. Honorable mentioned.

mrd10 · « **Reply #1712 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:35:42 AM »

Quote from: ctglabs on October 28, 2006, 09:28:39 PM

Right, there is four coils on the open TPU. If you watch and pause you can SEE IT. I have provided it here for you. It looks like they are all bifilar, but in any case, there are 4.

Hi Dave,

this makes sense, and where he places the magnets on are his tunning cct, I believe anyway. I'm trying to understand what bifilar means, and I have been reading from this url:-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil, looks like 4 types.

So to me he is probably using parallel, since you want to increase the magnetic field, but has probably connected them as per the Tesla transformer.

This setup is very similar to his first one which shows he places a single magnet near an inductor. And a good guess is that the finer windings that are wrapped around maybe one section of the ring is where the high voltage is collected...

Hmm this does make sense, so if where he places the magnets on are resonating at 7.8hz, and he feeds this into the ring coils, and causes a rotational magnetic field where the finer windings pick up, YES THIS DOES MAKE MORE SENSE
Interesting that the bifilar coils are quite large.

I tried enhancing several images with sw called topaz, here's one i did:-

Good work Dave

mrd10 · « **Reply #1713 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:42:38 AM »

One question I have though, to anyone that can answer it,:- If I use one copper wire and just run over and start again, would this be like parallel bifilar?, example like this link shows:- http://theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/howto/windingcoils.htm

so you start from the left, coil it till you reach the right, then put fine tape over the first coiled and then run the wire back to the left and start again.

Sincerely,

Dom

virus · « **Reply #1714 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:48:10 AM »

Nikola Tesla explains that a standard coil of 1000 turns with a potential of 100 volts across it will have a difference of 0.1 volt between turns. A similar BIFILAR coil will have a potential of 50 volts between turns.
In that the stored energy is a function of the square of the voltages the energy in the BIFILAR will be ...
50 squared / .1 squared = 2500 / .01 = 250,000 times greater than the standard coil

From Teslas bifilar coils patent.

The mere fact that SM turns the coil upside down to shut it down, means that when replicating it and one winding is the wrong way round or connected wrong it wonÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t work.

SM understood the mathÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s or if you like the theory around this concept, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s why he could built then in different arrangementÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s, size, etc. and they worked.

Virus

mrd10 · « **Reply #1715 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:52:41 AM »

Ok I just worked it out, my mind answered the question, just need confirmation:-

I start winding from the left to right, And when i get to the right i cut the wire, I cover that first layer with tape.

Then I start at the left again and wrap right over the first bunch, and when i reach the end, i cut the wire.

Then i connect both ends together, i.e in parallel, and wallah i have bifilar setup with just using single copper wire.

Sincerely,

Dom

mrd10 · « **Reply #1716 on:** October 29, 2006, 08:58:21 AM »

Intersting virus thanks.

Dom

virus · « **Reply #1717 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:08:18 AM »

If you look at Tesla he clearly shows 2 coils wound within each other. Then, if so, why did SM wind the second coil over the other if it is a bifilar coil, and not with in the other coil ?

http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php

Virus

mrd10 · « **Reply #1718 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:14:15 AM »

Quote from: virus on October 29, 2006, 09:08:18 AM

If you look at Tesla he clearly shows 2 coils wound within each other. Then, if so, why did SM wind the second coil over the other if it is a bifilar coil, and not with in the other coil ?

http://www.magnetricity.com/NeoG/Bifilar.php

Virus

Hi Virus,

I'm guessing here its to amplify whats being picked up, I'm assuming your talking about the fine winding over the bifilar one?

I think Dave mentioned that this is for HV, stands for high voltage, thats why we get 91 volts.
look where the connections are, they are on the side where the finer windings are.

Oh and i think i just answered my question again.
If I get two pieces of copper wire, that are of same length, and i coil em together from left to right, then connect both ends together, in parallel fashion, this would be the same as bifilar...geeze ive got that imaginarey soccer ball friend from castaway

LOL

Dom

mrd10 · « **Reply #1719 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:21:10 AM »

Hi Again Virus,

Yes you are correct, I just looked at that Tesla url, THE MAN WAS A GENIOUS
Wow I never knew that. I'm new to all this coil business, but I have been picking up alot, and I must say that in the last few posts I just gained very valuable information.

I actually have seen that diagram before, but just noticed that he has connected two wires together, in parallel.

Thanks so much again.

Dom

raburgeson · « **Reply #1720 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:35:33 AM »

I don't want to tear the TPU down yet so I tried to take some pics and will try to say this a different way, keep in mind I think this is a way not to do it. Picture the single black wires as the collector core wires. The bared copper is were 2 in parallel are joined to 1 in series. in the next pic the torroidal wraps were put on the cores and the white wrapped core had the trigger sections added. At the parallel series joint the collectors were taped on a plastic form. The two in parallel clockwise around the form were the outside collectors and the series 1 (counter-clockwise) made the center collector. Wire nut the parallel collector cores together with a input wire and a capacitor. Then the series end with the other leg of the cap and a input wire. Then the top collector (1 output wire) and series hook the secound and third, the third has 1 output wire. trigger wires input 1 signal and collector core another. output from collector windings.

virus · « **Reply #1721 on:** October 29, 2006, 09:53:45 AM »

mrd10

If you wind a coil like on that site, you end up with an em, electronic magnet. That guy was very please with his setup (his emÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s) as I recall.

Please, I am a rookie when it comes to electrical and electronics, I would say (wild guess) if you would tie up the same end you could have used a single wire instead of two. Guessing again, bifilar first coil use a X thickness wire at Y turns, the second coil would not have the same XY values, so if either coil is pulsed, you would get a reading on the other, either higher or lower,

Right guyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s ? ? ? ? ? ?

Virus

virus · « **Reply #1722 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:02:36 AM »

Dave

Non-conductive you close the one end together, this way the magnetic flux cansels each other out ? ? ? ? ?

Yes?

Virus

virus · « **Reply #1723 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:14:04 AM »

Dave

So we want inductive coils, cause we want to Ã¢â‚¬Å“harvestÃ¢â‚¬Â the magnetic flux by using another coil which will induce an electric current.

Thanks for your patience.

Virus

mrd10 · « **Reply #1724 on:** October 29, 2006, 10:17:55 AM »

Hi Dave,

I drew picture again, with Tesla's 390 721 pattern as per the way Otto says his done it, plus I've taken into account what you said, regarding the 4 coils on bottom ring. The only thing I havent drawn is the tunning part where he places magnets 180 deg apart.

Oh all bifilar windings are in parallel

Cheers,

Dom

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