Hey guys,

Still trying to find answers to life's most pressing questions?   

Regards,

Jacob

Hi all,

@gnostic,
I am still in the loop, seriously.  The flu wasted my weekend, but I still made progress in four days. And thanks for including me. I thought I burned some bridges.

@everyone
As you could see from previous controller & coil pix I posted, I have parts on board and now the boards are connected and everything is up and running.
Only one bug remains, as I am in the finally stages debugging. I got dead pin on the 74139. Little thing, but with a fever, had to  shutdown. Anyway.

These are the docs and specs
Coil logistics on page 157
Schematic on page 211
Control design on page 269
boards on page 379

I don't have the turn  ratios as high as dave's. The highest  I can get is like comsters, some combinations of the 4 segments. He has more turns than I do.
But look at the coil logistics and see if the turns and the segmentation configurability would be usable in comparison with the kind of suggestion going to Dave.
For those that are not builders, Print the pix off and and make connections from controller to coil to coil and post it. Add components too. We can all then feed on it.
'Gimp' is a free open source 'Photoshop'.

--giantkiller

Those pages referenced are the overunity post pages.
As everyone, no doubt, has tried to speed navigate this site, it's tough. But that is how it is setup.
I had mentioned it before... The way around this is to print and save the html, then open that file do a ^end then do ^f find, set it up. In the find box put in 'Post by: giantkiller', no quotes. and press the find button. This puts the found string at the top of the page. When you find the post, copy and paste some of the content to the search block in the overunity forum. The post should show up. This speeds things up. I wish there was a better to do this.

I found the error in my circuit and fixed it. I am now connecting the coil to it.

Thanks, --giantkiller.

Quote from: hartiberlin on October 10, 2006, 09:46:36 PM

Hi Dave,
I meant to do it all in ONE transformer.
I wanted to know, if you can achieve the same
as Graham Gunderson with his scalar ray beam.

Also the saturation of the core plays a role in it probably,
so it makes no sense, just to feed only MilliVolts levels.
YOu must feed it at least with a few volts of amplitude...

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Stefan,

My noise circuit only produces 0.5v max.  I will need to amplify it first!




Dave.

Or he could do it himself.

Guys,

I was doing some research and came across this article at http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/re-loop-article.htm and found this to be of interest, we have been talking about tuning the collector coil to a particular frequency and this should be of help so I wanted to share this. excerpt:

Effective length (of loop antenna)

When we discussed active-antenna systems [in a prior article in the series, and which I don't have], we frequently mentioned the effective length of an antenna (often referred to as effective height). We can also talk about the effective vertical length of a loop antenna. An approximation for computing the effective length, LL, of loop antennas is

LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu)/(wavelength) [Eq. 1]
Where wavelength is in meters; n = the number of turns in the loop; A = the cross-sectional area of one turn in square meters; Mu = the effective permeability of the core material ( = 1 for air core); and wavelength = (3*(10**)/(frequency in Hz). [That's wavelength = three times ten to the eighth power, then divided by frequency.]

Hope this is understandable.


Regards,

Carl

@Starcruiser
We know that loop antennae when facing the source of emmisions will show the strongest signs of reception. Our source now just happens to be in the center. The diameter or radius of the loop has to, in our case, matche the effective wavelength of the harmonic freak wave of the 2 freqs harmonizing together. The freak wave being made up of the spikes off the square waves. Geez, they would be huge. Then connected to the loop you would have an lc tank tuned between the 2 starting freqs to pass on the captured freak wave power. Or why not just a diode bridge and extract it all. So 3 things have to match, the 2 freqs for the harmonic wave, the distance of the loop antennae, and the loop coil windings. What if one would use exite the top coil with one freq and the bottom coil with the other freq and the collector just sits in the middle. That way instead of trying to match 2 electrical freqs you actually are letting the magnetic freqs do the work. Oh, sh*t! especially if they are counter rotating? The interference would be larger across the collector/antennae.

Do I have log in my eye or isn't anybody else seeing this?

We still have 3 things to contend with:
1.) Self starting or not (I don't know what's here, but if you solve #3 the rest will probably solve themselves by working backwards.)
2.) The toroid having rotational and gyroscopic qualities (segmented air( for not saturation, total field collapse) coils)
3.) Immense power out (the product of the square wave bemf harmonic tuned antennae/circuit)

@Starcruiser
We know that loop antennae when facing the source of emmisions will show the strongest signs of reception. Our source now just happens to be in the center. The diameter or radius of the loop has to, in our case, matche the effective wavelength of the harmonic freak wave of the 2 freqs harmonizing together. The freak wave being made up of the spikes off the square waves. Geez, they would be huge. Then connected to the loop you would have an lc tank tuned between the 2 starting freqs to pass on the captured freak wave power. Or why not just a diode bridge and extract it all. So 3 things have to match, the 2 freqs for the harmonic wave, the distance of the loop antennae, and the loop coil windings. What if one would use exite the top coil with one freq and the bottom coil with the other freq and the collector just sits in the middle. That way instead of trying to match 2 electrical freqs you actually are letting the magnetic freqs do the work. Oh, sh*t! especially if they are counter rotating? The interference would be larger across the collector/antennae.

Do I have log in my eye or isn't anybody else seeing this?

We still have 3 things to contend with:
1.) Self starting or not (I don't know what's here, but if you solve #3 the rest will probably solve themselves by working backwards.)
2.) The toroid having rotational and gyroscopic qualities (segmented air( for not saturation, total field collapse) coils)
3.) Immense power out (the product of the square wave bemf harmonic tuned antennae/circuit)

Guys,

I was doing some research and came across this article at http://users.netonecom.net/~swordman/Radio/re-loop-article.htm and found this to be of interest, we have been talking about tuning the collector coil to a particular frequency and this should be of help so I wanted to share this. excerpt:

Effective length (of loop antenna)

When we discussed active-antenna systems [in a prior article in the series, and which I don't have], we frequently mentioned the effective length of an antenna (often referred to as effective height). We can also talk about the effective vertical length of a loop antenna. An approximation for computing the effective length, LL, of loop antennas is

LL = (2*pi*n*A*Mu)/(wavelength) [Eq. 1]
Where wavelength is in meters; n = the number of turns in the loop; A = the cross-sectional area of one turn in square meters; Mu = the effective permeability of the core material ( = 1 for air core); and wavelength = (3*(10**)/(frequency in Hz). [That's wavelength = three times ten to the eighth power, then divided by frequency.]

Hope this is understandable.


Regards,

Carl

nice find carl,

guys i think everybody should go back and review this article and let's all see if we can track down the graphics.  but even without the graphics, one of the things i noticed, were several similarities and oddities that we might want to check out.  one of which was the fact that loop antenaes work off of earthfield magnetic waves.  that there was alot of interference that could affect there designed function just by being near metal, or wires.  huh, i bet a magnet right up against one would really mess with it's designed functioning.  especislly if it was designed spesifically for lets say 7.8hz.

marco,
 you might have the most experience with these things.  what do you think.?

dave, or tao,

has anybody done the math on what it would take to wind a toroidal coil to hit this 7.8hz earthfield.  i know it is weak, at it's designed use as a receptor, however, i can't stop but think if it was effected by a much mor powerful close proxcimty strong magnet, what would it do then.  the article also gave ways for calculating these loop anteneas (toroidal coils) for  certain frequencies , but also gave ways of balancing and fine tuning that i have been searching for, everywhere except radio anteneas.  i think before we will ever get this we will will all be ready for phd's in physics, electronics, radio, and tv, as well as mechanical and electrical engineering. 

i for one am learning alot.

thanks for your patience.

lol
sam

yes, I had also posted something similar here for the 7.8Hz geofield frequency.

A sample toroid would be:

To get to 7.8 Hz and with use of an external capacitor
An example configuration, calculates
External C approx 39mF
Toroidal radius 10 cm
Coil radius 4 cm
Number of turns 1000
Air core

Whould that do it? Using a permanent magnet to start the first oscillation and then let the geofield take over?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13840.html#msg13840
and
formulas here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.msg13779.html#msg13779

Seems like this would be the obvious starting point. That would explain again why when the device is turned sideways 'it don't work'.
The loop is not pointing at the source...
Thanks guys,

Pigs fly!