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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1045272 times)

Offline SMC

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #315 on: June 21, 2006, 05:14:23 AM »
Gotta agree with Rich...Sure I got the scope, meters, power supplies, wire, components and the extreme desire to replicate the TPU. But it sure would be nice to have a solid starting point.....even if all it did was power a damn LED. But NOOOOOOO...we get to play the guessing game for MONTHS OR YEARS and still get nowhere. We all have families and jobs to deal with too! It's almost to the Now or Never scenario...cause if things go to s#it like I'm assuming they will....good luck getting the needed components.

Steven Marks- if your listening and aren't blowing smoke up our ass- WE NEED SOME HINTS HERE.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #315 on: June 21, 2006, 05:14:23 AM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #316 on: June 21, 2006, 05:47:19 AM »
Steven didn't have to give anyone ANYTHING.

He gave us MORE than enough background on his thought processes leading up to his invention.

We should be so lucky.

Now the time is nearing and we are closing in on the exact way his devices work, OF OUR OWN ACCORD and via LISTENING TO STEVEN'S WORDS.

If this doesn't make sense, re-read EVERYTHING that Steven wrote!

I agree.

I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular.  Ridicule??? I could care less.  But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel.  And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes.  I've built two different versions but nothing worked.  My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.

Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS.  Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out?  That's teaching???

Rich

So let me get this straight. You did experiments on the TPU before we had any tips, and now that we have something to go on you are unwilling?

When you were working on the TPU before, why didn't you opt to work on something that had far more information available on it? We've uncovered a great deal here, and now is not the time to quit over sour grapes.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2006, 06:48:12 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #317 on: June 21, 2006, 08:44:47 AM »
Hi all,
Well, I studied electronics in 1956.  Then I discovered cars.  After 50 years of working on cars, my body said no more.  Since discovering this site, I have acquired a scope, some meters, some wire, and background of reading on the net.  I hope my hand is steady enough to solder?

I have been dealing with other personal issues, but hope soon to learn how to use the scope and do some experiments.

Tishatang

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« Reply #317 on: June 21, 2006, 08:44:47 AM »
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Offline bob.diroto

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #318 on: June 21, 2006, 04:23:49 PM »
Some observations:

Ignition coil to provide high voltage pulses

I wanted a source of high voltage pulses to try out various 'kick units. I thought an ignition coil would do the job. The problem with an ignition coil is you need to apply power to the primary for long enough to build up the magnetic field in the primary so that on cutting power to the primary the field quickly collapses and induces a high voltage into the secondary. This works well up to around 1000Hz (which is to be expected 4 cylinders @ 7000rpm is less than a 1kHz). I can get 1 inch sparks without a problem. With higher frequency pulse rate, it looks like the magnetic field of the primary is not fully expanded and therefore on removing the power the voltage in the secondary is vastly reduce and not sufficient for sparking.

I used this circuit here, a kit which I had knocking around the garage.
http://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/illustrated/illustrated_assembly_manual_k2543.pdf
Instead of points a function generator was used.

I'm using a spark lead and spark plug, with the spark plug acting as the first spark gap, I then run a wire from the earth of the spark plug which was going to feed my kick units. However, there is significant ringing (observed on scope) on this wire from the spark plug which has time to fully decay before another pulse arrives.

I'm assuming I need to a get the pulse rate higher so another pulse appears before this pulse has fully decayed ? Your thoughts on this please.

I noticed that on pulling a short spark, the spark was coloured the traditional blue/violet, but on making the spark longer, by moving the wire further from the strike point, at a certain point the spark changed to pure white with no blue/violet overtones whatsoever. There was a distinct crossover. A bit further from this point and the spark was extinguished.

For those that aren't aware, sparks contain a high ultraviolet component, so keep viewing to a minimum and use good quality sunglasses.

Mannix, you'll probably know the answer to this one. If the primary is being pulsed but the spark gap is too wide to cause a spark, what actually happens to the energy that was induced into the secondary ?

1. Does it just 'ring' away with the natural impedance and capacitance of the wire ?
2. Converts to heat ?
3. Induces back into the primary ?

A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?

Has anyone tried creating an air coil + capacitor that is resonant to 174.9Khz, and then placed in a magnetic field from a permanent magnet ? I've not tried this yet.

Anyone got a circuit based on capacitors for generating high voltage pulses up to 200Khz ?

jake

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #319 on: June 21, 2006, 07:08:43 PM »
Quote
A question: Why do spark plug leads have a high resistance ?
Wouldn't this cause a massive voltage drop as soon as current flows ?

The resistance of the wire is still much lower than the resistance of the gap where the spark occurs, and there is relatively little current flow to produce the spark.  It is almost "static" electricity.

I don't know for sure why the wires are high resistance.  It might be to limit the current to the spark to keep the coil from discharging any farther than is necessary to create the spark.

I know the capacitor is in the circuit to keep the spark from occurring at the distributor.  The cap limits the dv/dt at the distributor end so the discharge spark occurs at the spark plug.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #319 on: June 21, 2006, 07:08:43 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #320 on: June 21, 2006, 09:12:48 PM »
Hi all,

The resistance in the plug wires is to cut down radio interference when the plug fires.  In the early days of solid plug wires, if you had a buzz in your radio, you used resistor spark plugs.  They stopped using
resistor plugs when all the cars required high resistance carbon coated string instead of solid wire to the plugs.  The capacitor in the circuit is also to cut down radio interference from the sparks.

If the resistance is to high (too large a gap to fire) the coil will arc internally across its secondary winding, burning it out after a short time.

I have some 5 strand #26 litz wire I plan to wind many turns around so that it is at least 1/4 wavelength of 175K hertz.  I figure I can solder the ends together to add effective length.  This is to get the effect of standing waves ala a Tesla coil.

Somewhere I read about an old energizer design which had miles of wire on it.  I think it worked by switching it off before the the currant reached the end.  Something like Mannix's parable.  If I can find it, I will post the link.

Tishatang

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #321 on: June 21, 2006, 09:46:06 PM »
the wire resistance IS NOT NEED !

Car (Germany ) was up 1955 without any resistance ! (only insulated wires)
Some drivers , want to by special (additional) resistors, OR
Spark - Plugs with (build-in"resistor")
to DEGREASE , noise (trouble) in Car-AM-RADIOs.
Thats all .
Nothing "mystery"

D.P.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #321 on: June 21, 2006, 09:46:06 PM »
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Offline bob.diroto

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #322 on: June 22, 2006, 07:46:50 AM »
Hi all,

I found a site which may help us visualise what happens when different waveforms combine. Opposite of an FFT on a waveform.

This is where all the java applets to run can be found:
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2481

This one demonstrates how any complex waveform can be broken down into it's component sin waves of different phase AND different amplitude.
http://www.educatorscorner.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=2487

Now imagine on the coils that instead of sine waves we applying pulses to each coil. Each waveform could have a different frequency and amplitude and possibly 90 phase change via a capacitor.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2006, 08:13:58 AM by bob.diroto »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #323 on: June 22, 2006, 10:47:13 AM »

Steven Has said that electron tubes were better,especially when first experimenting because of their ability to handle transients better than semiconductors . Can any body see the relevance of this?

Lindsay Mannix

At a guess, with semiconductor diode you're going to get reverse current if the transient is greated than the breakdown threshold of the diode. Whilst a rectifier electron tube will not have this problem ??

If all coils are commoned on one transformer and you're driving each coil with a different frequency square wave (especially if the square wave isn't well shaped) you're going to get transients ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #323 on: June 22, 2006, 10:47:13 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #324 on: June 22, 2006, 11:05:11 AM »
Been having a discussion with gnostic on this one. Can we have votes (A,B or C) in as to what the likely arrangement is:

Steven says the coils are "one on top of the other" :

Would this be:

Version A
A horizontal cross section from the side would look like this, to my understanding.

c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c1c1c1c1c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c1c1c1c1c1
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c2c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c2
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3
c3c3c3c3c3c3xxxxxxxxxc3c3c3c3c3c3c3


Version B

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c3c2c2c2c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c2c2c2c2c3
c3c2c1c1c2c2xxxxxxxxxc2c2c1c1c2c2c3
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Version C

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c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
c3c3c2c2c1c1xxxxxxxxxc1c1c2c2c3c3
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gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #325 on: June 22, 2006, 04:00:05 PM »
@bob.diroto

I see you added one to the mix. I like A or C.. For some other reasons specified in the letter from steven.

The wording of his emails says not "interleaved", which to me sort of eliminates  B. He says there are two collector coils towards the botoom of his message, To me this seems to indicate A or C.

With A or C, either would work in my estimation. They could also be run in parallel, series, two in series, one parallel to those two, etc. I think the arrangement would be the two collector coils in series, and the "kick" coil, parallel to them in the middle.  Collectors being c1, and c3, and the Kick coil being c2. Going back to look at the old vids and pics it seems that on the smaller one, A is used and C may be used on the larger one.

If I had to pick one, I'd pick A.

I need to find some Litz wire. Diroto was right about that all along it seems. All I have is solid, shielded wire of various gauges.

Radio Shack?
« Last Edit: June 22, 2006, 04:16:53 PM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #326 on: June 22, 2006, 04:08:37 PM »
Here is an interesting quote from Tesla, look closely, it's exactly what Steven has been saying about what happens when the frequencies and kicks come together:
"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray
higher frequency wave imposed on  the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
 
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave
to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously
great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released
into surrounding space with inconceivable violence.
 
It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower
frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be
produced by intent."   -N. Tesla


By the way, I printed off EVERYTHING Steven EVER said in this thread and spent 2+ hours reading all 15 pages and underlined everything of importance, even the very subtleties. I suggest everyone look over what Steven has said AGAIN.

Tao you read my mind.....I also cut & pasted ALL SM/Mannix comments into a MS Publisher file....but added a few insightful posts from Tao, Tishang, and several others that Mannix said were on the right track. Oh and Mannix- Thanks for the PM- will be a big help!

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #327 on: June 22, 2006, 04:17:55 PM »
How about using 3 microcontrollers to generate frequencies amped by MOSFETs and sent into the 3 coils......you could also then use Hall Effect sensors to monitor EM field outputs from each coil as well. You could then set them to automatically scan thousands of combinations and log any magic combos.....

But it is easier to do non-squarewave with the MAX038. If you're looking for a decent schematic check out:
http://www.web-ee.com/Schematics/Function%20Generator/function%20generator.htm

I found some MAX038's here: http://www.futurlec.com/
They have no phone # to double check stock, but the site accepted my order. Get 'em while you can- this chip is very hard to find.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2006, 08:14:24 PM by SMC »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #328 on: June 22, 2006, 10:00:22 PM »
For the European experimenters:
There is a complete MAX038 experimental board kit available at www.elv.de
If you search for kit Part No.: 60-272-60 on that side you will be lead to the kit- description where you also can download the whole article from their magazine inclusive circuit diagram and circuit board.
But unfortunately written in German.
But Easier to understand for me this time. ;)

Best regards,
Christian

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #329 on: June 23, 2006, 12:22:21 AM »
Hi all,

Reading some Tesla material and it says the most pronounced affects occured when the mass in the disrupter circuit equalled the mass in the metal object/coil over which the huge 'electrostatic' like, energy flowed around.

Would the mass in the disrupter circuit be the mass of the wire from where the spark occurs but not including the mass of the wire from the pulse source to where the spark occurs ?

Cheers,
 Bob

 

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