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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #240 on: June 15, 2006, 02:55:55 AM »
?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?

Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?

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« Reply #241 on: June 15, 2006, 03:10:51 AM »
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!

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« Reply #242 on: June 15, 2006, 03:17:09 AM »
Thanks hartiberlin for your reply describing the magnetic vector potential.

Also found this document, with a few diagrams for visualising, if this helps other people. It helped me!

http://abacus.bates.edu/~msemon/thoughts.pdf

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« Reply #242 on: June 15, 2006, 03:17:09 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #243 on: June 15, 2006, 03:31:38 AM »
Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?

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« Reply #244 on: June 15, 2006, 03:46:46 AM »
Wow....Bill Beaty's stuff is intense...anyone considered inviting him to join our little group?
No, he'd make us all look like idiots. :) ;D

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« Reply #245 on: June 15, 2006, 04:01:08 AM »
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!

Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.

Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.

If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.

Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.

This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.

Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.

This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.

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« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2006, 04:03:48 AM »
oops, double post

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« Reply #247 on: June 15, 2006, 04:54:19 AM »
Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.

http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm

The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.

Series LC  http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html

As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.

With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series... 
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
 
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.



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« Reply #248 on: June 15, 2006, 05:00:03 AM »
Oh yeah... putting all this in frame with the marks device... there was a discussion about his circuit being resonant with the frequency of magnetism... which would explain how the "kick" of the magnet approaching would start something that would grow...  *see the links above about resonant LC circuits*

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #249 on: June 15, 2006, 05:09:50 AM »
thanks gnostic, your summary of Bill's ideas has suddenly clicked with me. Going off to reread Bill's stuff again...

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« Reply #250 on: June 15, 2006, 06:33:58 AM »
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.

I enjoyed the last amazing  unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the  "evil government supression" , the  air force's  secret experiments with the "technology"  He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine.  Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits.  It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)

I do wish he had finished  that story, it was quite entertaining.  For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html

Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style.  What ever you's do, do NOT give money.  Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)


You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of  Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf  (Supposedly  ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". )  A very interesting Study.)

I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and  how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.

I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near  cities, or other communities.  It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines.  That's quite a punch.  It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me?  I work for a power company as an engineer. You  can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml  and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf   I'm sure you will find this quite informative.  Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer,  You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)



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« Reply #250 on: June 15, 2006, 06:33:58 AM »
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« Reply #251 on: June 15, 2006, 06:45:24 AM »
Here's a good link to start thinking about antennas for schuman-range frequencies.

http://www.vlf.it/looptheo7/looptheo7.htm

The best way to power such a beast may be to make it part of a resonant LC circuit... if the LC circuit is resonant with the frequency of input, you will see some gains that I won't discuss here for fear of starting a flame war... but here's a couple of links - take you pick.

Series LC  http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html

Parallel LC http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/2.html

As to getting the power out of the circuit, I would propose experimenting with a secondary winding, wound bifilar, and connected to another circuit.

With one of those resonant LC circuits (forgive me for not remembering which one) inductance on the coil will be near 0 and the coil behaves like capacitors in series... 
It makes sense then that the secondary would pick up potential this way... and it might not add load to the circuit as it does with induction (as with a regularly wound secondary when the power is passed inductively)
 
There's also another thread somewhere that mentions a "C-stack" - which is a cap with more than two plates.
Since other layers of the atmosphere are also plates in this capacitor... or circuit... that is out solar-system... this might be something to look at to predict how it all works.




Thanks for the detail, and the links, we already read about the LC circuits in the www.amasci.com links. But the detail is very welcome. The gains that might start a flame war are well discussed in those articles. In fact the gain is only limited by the Q. So it only depends on how much power you want, and you build the circuit to match your needs. It's out there for the taking. The thing is.... You can take this power from ANY radiant power source within our atmosphere. If there's a particular radio station you hate, feel free to tune your circuits to their frequency and siphon what you need.

So yeah, fun stuff. Crazy thing is, look at the dates of these articles. They line up very well with when the SM device came to light.

gn0stik

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« Reply #252 on: June 15, 2006, 06:59:50 AM »
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.

I enjoyed the last amazing  unlimited power generation system he "designed", out of a copper "doughnut" that he snagged off his dads' truck. (There were gaskets for second stage booster rockets) The story is complete with the  "evil government supression" , the  air force's  secret experiments with the "technology"  He discovered. (on his fathers computer; Guess what his father's name is? )
Soon, he'll be telling you how to build a levatation machine.  Of course, be very careful of super high voltage shocks, and the strange green plasma it emits.  It may have radioactive properties, (he just doesn't know for sure)

I do wish he had finished  that story, it was quite entertaining.  For those that haven't read it, you can find it here: http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Howard_Johnson_Motor/Mikell/index.html

Now, I may be wrong, but there are just too many simularities of style.  What ever you's do, do NOT give money.  Thre are plenty of serious people trying to find a solution to OU, And of those who truly want open source of their idea's they do not hide things and play games like this person(s)


You will quickly discover the simularity of style. No doubt, this person is a (younger) rival of T.E Bearden, In fact with a little more polish, will easily surpass his fertile imagination. Perhaps one day, like Bearden, he will even suffer from the delusion that he deserves a nobel peace prize. ( For a casy study of  Beardens Psychosis:
http://www.nuscam.com/pdf/case_study.pdf  (Supposedly  ceo and President of a fictional R+D company called "CTEC". )  A very interesting Study.)

I noticed on page 4 of this thread, someone mentioned the 'evil establishment" and  how if it wasn't for Tesla, we wouldn't have AC powerlines carrying power over long distances, and instead, we would have Edisons 'evil "DC" current.

I really hate to break it to you, but most all long distance power transmission is by HVDC. It's only stepped down and converted by large transformers to voltages of 66 kV, 33 kV or 24 kV AC when it reaches near  cities, or other communities.  It's typically transmitted via +/- 450-500KV bipole lines.  That's quite a punch.  It's far more efficient that transmitting via AC. Don't believe me?  I work for a power company as an engineer. You  can examine the technology here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/ts_nelson.shtml  and here: http://www.hydro.mb.ca/our_facilities/cs_dorsey.pdf   I'm sure you will find this quite informative.  Feel free to check out the entire site. If you are looking for work and have electrical experience or are an enginer,  You may expecially find this informative. (You don't need to be Canadian, jst willing to work in some of the most beautiful wildernss in the world. (But it's cold in the winter)




Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science. Please tell me, is it possible to draw power directly out of the thin air? Turns out, SM isn't the inventor or even conceiver of these principals at all. He's simply a very creative implementer of it.  Of course, you being an engineer, will pooh pooh, the source, or even the source's sources. However, keep this in in mind. If radiant energy was an impossible concept.... crystal radios wouldn't work.. BTW what was your first electrical project? I bet a crystal radio was one of your first 10 at least, eh mr. engineer?

If mannix or mark annoys you. ignore them. frankly, mannix's presentation is quite annoying. But you can join us, if you'd like, in trying to figure this thing out. We're pretty much there on theory, now we need to implement. Just think, if nothing happens, you'd get to be there to say "told you so".

Oh, and nobody here invests in these things. If someone actually came up with a device that could go over unity, and didn't freely share it with the world, he would automatically be placed on the "suspicious" list. At least for most of us. We've seen a lot come and go, man.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #253 on: June 15, 2006, 07:23:51 AM »
So if I wanted to couple a coil of wire to the ionsephere/magnetisphere using the magnetic vector potential A, how would this be done ?

Bearing in mind that the earth appears to be a rotating armature and the magnetosphere is the stator of a generator or would that be a motor!

Well, according to Bill's stuff, you need to think of the ionosphere as one plate in a capacitor, and the ground as the other. The area between there is where we're drawing the power from.

Now you need to understand his resonant circuit stuff. Basically a circuit with resonant coil in it, is going to draw more power from the capacitor than one that doesnt.

If you think of the resonant coil as an antenna (steven marks does), then you need to think, how can I make this antenna "electrically larger", basically fool the local b field into thinking it's running into a HUGE antenna. Simple, you power it.

Powered antennas are nothing new, high gain antennas have been around for a long while. However if the antenna in question is resonant with the frequency you are trying to receive, as far as the wave is concerned, that's the place to dump all of it's energy. Or to paraphrase mannix, that's where all the local electrons will go to party with the ones the king sent down the wire.

This can be tested by putting a resonant circuit between the ground and antenna of a crystal radio. The power source in this case, would be a radio tower somewhere, instead of the magnetic field of the earth.

Once you have a proof of concept, scale your coils and frequencies to what you want to draw your power from. Afaik, it's just that simple. Of course there's a bunch of sciency stuff you need to know so you don't explode your coil and pump yourself full of copper shrapnel in the process. Or make sure it doesn't go all corona on you, so you can't turn it off.

This is where the frequency control circuitry comes in. This is where you want to create the "worse case scenario" If you are too close to the exact frequency, and don't know how to control the build up, bad things happen. So there are two things you can do, create some creative circuitry to control the build up, or keep it resonating just off the exact frequency. The main point is to make the circuit superpose, which is usually a no-no.



Have you ever seriously sat down and asked yourself, reseached as to how it's even possible for the earth to generate a magnetic field?

Lets examine this a little closer.

Most earth scientists believe that the earth, as well as having a high density, the  core, unlike the mantle, must be metallic in order to generate the geomagnetic field. According to the dynamo theory, fluid motion in the earth's outer core moves conducting material (liquid iron) across an already existing(how?), weak magnetic field and generates an electric current. The electric current, in turn, produces a magnetic field that also interacts with the fluid motion to create a secondary magnetic field. Together, the two fields are stronger than the original (a transformer) and lie essentially along the earth's rotation axis.

The main characteristics of the geomagnetic field includes short-term and long-term fluctuations in intensity, reversals of polarity at irregular intervals (ranging from tens of thousands to tens of millions of years), an 11? offset between the geomagnetic axis and spin axis, and the drift of the magnetic poles around the geographic poles in an estimated period of several thousand years. Scientists assume that the dynamo theory can explain these features, though a detailed understanding is lacking. There are competing dynamo models, and a great deal of fudging is required to get the numerical models to reproduce some of the features of the actual magnetic field.

To explain the offset between the earth's geomagnetic axis and the spin axis, some scientists believe that the earth's overall Magnetic field may be a combination of a central, dynamo-created dipole field, aligned with the rotation axis, and several variable dipole fields located in the outermost portions of the core. But other scientists argue that there is no physical mechanism to generate dipoles near the core's surface [2]. Some planets have even greater and more puzzling tilts between their magnetic and rotation axes: 46.8? in the case of Neptune, and 58.6? in the case of Uranus.

 Even assuming that an outer core of liquid iron exists (which isn't likely for a variiety of reasons), there are major problems with the dynamo theory.

 Scientists are somewhat vague as to how a magnetic field could extend 2,000 miles beyond an electric current. It requires a very powerful current to produce even relatively weak magnetic effects a very short distance above the flow. The electrical resistance of iron, at the alleged temperatures of the core(moleten), would be staggering. A steady flow of electricity requires constant potential differences. How are such potential differences produced and maintained in this hypothetical core?

The magnitude, width, and depth of such currents would have to be unbelievable to extend the magnetic field even a small fraction of the distance required, and the EMF [electromotive force] required to produce it would be even more incredible. Where could such an EMF come from? So far, scientists are reluctant to explain this, especially since these currents are confined to a ball and would therefore follow closed paths.

V.N. Larin [Hydridic earth, 1993, pp. 199-200.] questions whether a mechanism exists to maintain strong electric currents in the earth's interior during its entire evolution, and argues that the very existence of active convection in the core is dubious. If convection is of thermal origin, then the source of heat in the iron core is incomprehensible. Another possibility is radioactivity, but no mechanism is known which might have segregated radioactive elements together with iron and nickel. Some scientists think that the heat source of convection may be the ongoing growth of the core. In this case, the heat would come from the potential energy of heavy particles settling in the gravity field, but this is unlikely to have lasted several billion years .

An alternative theory has been proposed by J.M. Herndon, [Substructure of the inner core of the earth', pp. 646-8] who suggests that the earth's magnetic field is largely produced by electric currents generated by a self-sustaining nuclear fission reaction in a uranium (and thorium) subcore at the centre of the earth, having a density as high as 26 g/cm? . However, the existence of such a subcore is entirely hypothetical. It also destroys the entire theory of inner earth structure. (It shows how little we really know about this planet)

 Given their belief in the generation of magnetic fields by convection currents of electrically conducting liquid iron in a planet's core, scientists were puzzled by the discovery that the Moon and Mercury had significant magnetic fields, since the Moon's core is believed to be entirely solid and Mercury's core nearly so. Venus is believed to have an entirely liquid core and was expected to possess a strong magnetic field, but no significant self-generated field has been detected. The magnetic fields of Jupiter and Saturn are believed to be generated by electric currents within a layer of liquid metallic hydrogen inside them, while the fields of Neptune and Uranus are thought to be produced in their superheated liquid mantles -- but all this is little better than guesswork  Clearly the present dynamo theory cannot explain the magnetic fields detected around some asteroids.

I think someone who posted that our magnetic field is produced by the sun is probably closer to the truth than he knows. 
It's really impossible for the earths core, 5000 or more miles below the surface to generate such a giant magnetic field.  Especially since the core is thought to be solid, as is the outer core.   It would also have to be spinning on it's own separate axis.

We are coming to a time where we need to update these age old models of what and the earth is constructed., no matter how much it hurts the establishment.



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« Reply #254 on: June 15, 2006, 07:48:49 AM »
It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

Dude quit trolling, Also, you should check the last 15 pages or so, we've actually found coroboration to "his" principals in conventional science.


I have read the entire thread before I posted.

I gave my reasons why I  think these people are playing games with you.  If you choose to continue,  that's just fine with me.  But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.





I second what gn0stik says and would like to add this: Please don't post anything more in this thread unless you intend to contribute, for it you don't contribute all you are doing in taking up space and hindering our creativity.

You made your statements and tried to make your points and I respect your theories, as I do everyones'.

So please leave it and us alone now.

We have better things to do than read about how we are 'being suckered' and 'all wrong' about what we are doing. OK? Fine, its over now.


I have read the entire thread before I posted.

I gave my reasons why I  think these people are playing games with you.  If you choose to continue,  that's just fine with me.  But, at the very least you should do a little checking and see where this is all coming from.

It's rather rude of you to suggest I'm "trolling".   I would contribute, but Now I don't think I'll bother.
Have fun.   I'll just read along and laugh.  You aren't the first people this guy has played.  He's quite good at it.   

Make sure your wire is pointing north when you hold it in the air. (Think about that for a moment as well)

And think about the first statment on page one. Does a 100 hp car engine run and put out 100 HP at all times and all RPM? Or does it have a throttle?   Ask him to show the math which shows how much HP is required to maintain this car of his @ 60MPH. Cruising speed.  The truth of the matter, is that his 25 hp 2 cycle engine is far less efficient than the 100 hp 4 stroke.   @ strokes do not have any torque, they make up for it via RPM, they gobble gas because they are a simple pump with no valves, just ports.   Ask him how he determined this 2 strokes exaust system design for the load and weight of the car, and for "charging"  batteries?   It makes no sense to use a 2 stroke for charging batteries.

And no "DUDE",  you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science. 

In fact, you can't even provide a diagram.  he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet  not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.

have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"? 
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see"  the light.


 

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