Hi,  I'm relatively new here and only up to about page 243 of this great work, and I must say I'm proud of you guys, your commitment to the work, and the discoveries you've made thus far. Congratulations on a great learning experience.

Since I haven't yet caught up to the present what I'm about to discourse on may have already been figured out and tested, i guess I'll find out in a few days.

On page 243 Duchy makes some salient points which I wish to expound upon a bit in the hopes that it might make your path a bit clearer.  He said:

<As we all have read in the mails Tao received from Mannic directly, SM confirmed the use of radiant energy  in the device.
Question is, is the 'kick' used to produce the radiant energy burst or is it the  burst of radiant energy itself?
When we assume the kick he is talking about is a burst of radiant energy then there is no way that it can be measured on the control coils. As Tesla states radiant energy only produces electricity when it passes through copper (or other metals). This means that it would only manifest itself on a collecter.....and not in the circuit that creates them. We might need a radiant energy receiver....
Is there anywhere or anyway to determine for sure if this kick we're looking for is either electric,magnetic or radiant??>

Okay, we have three windings, wound around the circumfrence of an air coil toroid, one on top, one in the middle, and one on the bottom.  Lets' call thee coils 1, 2, and 3 counting from top to bottom.

Dutchy is correct that per Tesla you cannot directly measure the radiant spike with conventional instruments, BUT, you CAN measure the result of the radiant energies effect.  That effect does indeed manifest on the collector.

As I see it, the top and bottom coils 1 and 3 must be your primary collector/resonating coils/ radiant emmitters. and should be many turns of fine coil wire, tuned to resonate at the target freq. of around 5k hertz, the torus should be sized for this resonance also. I'm sure you have all pretty much established this much of the puzzle.

When either the top or bottom coil spike, the energy produced is radiant energy, that is it is a longitudnal wave that emits at right angles from the surface of the wire in the coil that produced the radiant, and most of that radiant will seek whatever conductor is in the closest proximity, which in this case is the middle coil.

The middle coil I would call the output collector coil, and when each radiant pulse from the top and bottom coil in its' turn hits it, it is going to produce a whopping magnetic field, flow of electrons, and current in that middle coil, available at the output of this coil to produce the useful work the machine is designed to do.  As this coil produces a sizable current it should be wound with fairly stout wire, dependent mostly on the size of the torus which determines the the total amount of current that can be developed, along with the number of turns of this coil.  Keep in mind that all bets are off if the machine is allowed to fall in perfect tune, Kaboom, no wire will contain the result.  You'll know if you've produced a radiant spike in the top or bottom coils by taking conventional voltage and current measurements at the output of the middle coil, when you've got it you'll know it!

So, if you are trying to measure the occurance of the radiant spike or some manifestation of it on  either coil 1 or 3, it ain't going to happen.

Other observations:

Some amount of collection of the radiant from the top coil into the bottom coil and vice versa may  or may not be important to the function of this device.

In order to produce the most energetic radiant you are shooting for a squarewave form that has almost no duration, that is on the scope it will look almost like a single straight line.  This is something else that needs to be looked at, examined, and played with.  Bottom line, if the input wave on the primary coil is allowed to propagate into the decay side of the waveform, poof, no radiant. 

Transistors behaving the way they do, you may have to set the timing of the circuit to actually ANTICIPATE each input impulse, otherwise the the impulse is going to inevitably reach the other end of the coil before the transistor goes open, and poof, no radiant.  Maybe think in terms of using the actual act of switching the transitor to open the connection on the coil as the trigger to send the impulse, the impulse will likely traverse to the coil end being fed and propagate to termination before the transistor switches opens the other end of the coil.

Also, I think there is a big clue in the output of Mark's machines.  The output is pure DC with a weak 5k volt AC component in it.  What does this tell us?  One, that what is produced in the final output coil is all DC, it could be steady or pulsed, but that is irrelevant, it is DC, the flow is all in one direction. It is also telling us that the resonating coils are operating at 5k AC, the flow is changing directions.  The weak 5k AC component found on the output is due to superimposition of the magnetic field in the top and bottom coils on the middle coils, but it isn't anywhere near as strong as the magnetic field set up when the radiant hits that middle collector. Also perhaps the radiant itself has some shielding effect on the AC field in the primaries that attenuates it in the output collector.  I think there are some big clues in this.

Probably I'm full of crap, but hopefully some things to think about and play with.

Now I go back into hiding and try to catch up on this massive and epic story. 


Yours,

Don

Hey Tao..I see you posted my little experiment...
Most people told me my meter was wrong but the other day i read this Frolov document...
http://leedskalnin.com/frolov1.htm
Down the page a bit at fig 4, i see is similar to my setup......
I also setup a pulsed transformer and 2 ignition coils to replicate that Tesla circuit you posted...single wire transmission setup.....I sent the hight volt back emf spikes into the first ignition coil and used its output (1 wire) to the second ignition coil....the output (which is actually the primary coil on the second ignition coil) was able to light a small blue flouro i have....I also noticed an ordinary 12" flouro showed some light with no connection at all when placed on the table......Tesla was so cool 
Remember also that Tesla saw little sparks running along copper tubes first...then, being smart he wound copper ribbon in a spiral so it was like a tube but had air gaps between the edges of the ribbon..then he saw more effects and made conclusions ect....That is why his transmitter had lumps all over it.....to stream the flow of energy into tight small paths......
Each time there is pressure in the wire, then there are particles around the wire that turn 90 deg to it. These particles are from the air...When there is no pressure in the wire then those particles jump into the wire and cling to it. When the pressure comes again then those particles are pushed along with all the currents....
That is why ac currents can run a long way in the wire.....the wire itself is a small generator each time there is no pressure in it.....I have many physical tests to show how it is done.....but they have nothing to do with "electrons and protons"....." are you sure they are not the North and South pole individual magnets?" Ed.L
Sunlight, the cores of atoms, and the metal of the perpetual motion holder, are all cores that the individual N/S pole magnets orbit......The sunlight cannot pass through rocks, but the magnets can pass through anything.
The magnets cling to the matter that the sun sends out here...and the plants absorb those three things that are the base of everything...."Today, yesterday's sunlight is neutral particles of matter"  Some of those magnets that come in with the light leave and join the others around the Earth.....
Best wishes

"I also setup a pulsed transformer and 2 ignition coils to replicate that Tesla circuit you posted..." SCOTTY, do you know where the Tesla circuit schmeatic is in the post? Evan

thanks scotty for the link! Evan

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on October 21, 2006, 02:40:34 AM

Hey all!

Just been doing some independent reseach lately and came across something I think may help you in your quest for messuring anomylous "kicks" of increasing amplitude. I was reading on J.L. Naudins site about D.L. Chungs discovery of "negitive resistance" and its incorporation in to a "negative resistance oscilator". I immediately thought of this thread, and the possiblity that Chungs device may play a key role in creating and maintaining the input frequencies.

If any of the current developers have the time and budget to replicate a NRO, I believe it will unlock many new doors in the project, and possibly establish a working theory for the input frequencies.

Good work and good luck to all!
You all restore my faith in humanity.

What exactly is an NRO, what is it an acronym for?
also, for IMNADJA "The weak 5k AC component found on the output is due to superimposition of the magnetic field in the top and bottom coils on the middle coils, but it isn't anywhere near as strong as the magnetic field set up when the radiant hits that middle collector" are you saying that the 5k is a beat frequency of the top and bottom coils imposed on the middle coil? Evan

Chung's Negative Resistance experiments
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/cnr/

Oscillation amplitude and energy grow exponentially with time...
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/RadCom/part5/page1.html

I've found this device today, and the phrase "like a fire that feeds its self" popped in to my head. Mr Mark had told that to Mannix once, and this device appeared to fit the discription very well. If one could dump the excess amperage in cycles timed with the resonance of the combined frequencies, I believe it would be a self running overunity device. I only know the very basics about working with electronic components, but I had a gut feeling that this was an important piece of the puzzle in some way...

Hi Stefan and Dave,

Stefan, have you truncated the posts on your site, I've noticed its half what it was, I dont want to brag too much as i dont want to add to junk posts.

Dave I read the negative resistor stuff, and Jean naudins replication of it...very interesting stuff, I wonder if we introduce this neg resist idea to lc cct, or even use it in a crystal radio setup. I found sometime ago, or someone sent a link with a free running oscillator, once started with a voltage , it would continue indefinitely, after the voltage was removed, dont know if anyone got this going. maybe combining the ndr to this, might be an interesting experiment.

Cheers,

Dom   

It seems he is using a 5 Volts voltage regulator 7805 or something
like this to generate
the 5 Volts DC supply from the 12 Volts battery.
Maybe he is switching the coils also only with 5 Volts
pulses, then 800 Millivolts peek2peek output
is already pretty good for these input coils setup.

Hi Dave,

I bet they have a research facility to research the researchers...keep an eye on them so to speak.
This site would be one of them.

then they track us down like dogs and kill us.     

Dom