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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #390 on: June 28, 2006, 11:51:58 PM »
Hi Tao,
could you please post a few screenshots of your Bryce5 model ?
I am not at home, so I can?t look at Bryce models, maybe just a few JPEGs
would be great.

2. I guess the kicks could only come from the Barkhausen noise inside
the bailing ( iron) wire and it really needs this wire, in copper wire we don?t have
Barkhausen kicks.
Why it is around 5 to 6 Khz and not around 180 Khz is puzzling to me...
Maybe his LC resonance frequency is just around 5 to 6 Khz and
this is a beat frequency or a lower octave frequency of the Barkhausen
noise kicks at 180 khz ?
The open core TPU unit looks so easy to build, probably just about 4
coils and a few caps and the core, that is all...
He also said, it depends mainly on the setup of the coils
and phase relationship, so the feedback loop is very important
from the intial magnet induction and magnetisation of the iron
wire coils...

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #390 on: June 28, 2006, 11:51:58 PM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #391 on: June 29, 2006, 01:28:28 AM »
SM told something about mumber of waves / frequencies around the device?
I am not reading all the discussion,but i have some information related to this on my web-site

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #392 on: June 29, 2006, 02:00:17 AM »
Here it was..

"He has also said the frequency is related to the circumference. To get a wavelength within the length of wire in one of the coils would mean frequencies in the gigahertz range ?  Or perhaps this is a way of saying standing waves are required ? Or perhaps this is a cryptic way of saying that resonant circuits must be used as the diameter of a coil affects the impedance of a coil which in turn affects the resonant frequency. Parallel resonance is an effective open circuit on the power source (infinite resistance). Serial resonance is an effective short on the power source (no resistance). I?ve been thinking whether these two effects can somehow be combined to good use. Parallel resonance for the input coils as it would use very little current to drive the circuit and serial resonance for the output coils in order to have very little resistance."

I have an Excel table, free to download from my web-site,select sheet MEC bifilar coil and you can get needed circumference dimensions and frequencies to have nested cylindrical field formation around the device.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

Esa




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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #392 on: June 29, 2006, 02:00:17 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #393 on: June 29, 2006, 03:29:28 AM »
Quote from: stefan
If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !

They make metal cutting blades for those things.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #394 on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:19 AM »
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If it would be wound around the center axis of this wood core
(like cylindrical onto the surface) , he would have to cut many more wires
and could not saw through it with a wood sawing unit !

They make metal cutting blades for those things.

Esa, nice info on your site. I'll be reading through it soon.

@tao where did you find that barkhausen effect stuff?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #394 on: June 29, 2006, 03:30:19 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #395 on: June 29, 2006, 08:27:11 AM »
An interesting article, generation of electromagnetic fields but not directly from current.

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/cfa/

From this beginning Hately and Kabbary report they were able to produce direct synthesis of the electromagnetic field using two large capacitor plates and two large cylinders of short length. The capacitor plates, called "D plates" for the term "D" in the Poynting theorem, were positioned parallel to one another to form a capacitor. The cylinders, called "E plates" were positioned one above and one below the D plates. When the cylinders were driven by a radio frequency power source, they produced high?frequency E?fields, thus the designation "E plates".

Crossing effect

To synthesize the electromagnetic wave, radio frequency power is fed through a power divider / phasing network to the D and E plates. The resulting electric and magnetic fields are cross?stressed in phase to synthesize the Poynting vector and produce radiated power within the small area surrounding the antenna. This effect is what gives the Crossed?Field Antenna (CFA) its name.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #396 on: June 29, 2006, 10:57:01 AM »
If there are nested cylindrical EM field created around SM device,this can be a way to collect / compress zero point energy.ZPE is a carrier medium for all EM fields,and if it`s density is changed rapidly around the collector coil,it can lead to coil induction to create electricity.

To get correct values by my Excel table ( bifilar coil sheet ) with this SM device ,we must also add the lenght of the wire to the table for wave number calculations around devices circumference.We must also know permittivity value for the wire that was used used.

You can download this table from my web-site,
Password for the table edit is PADI1234

http://www.kolumbus.fi/esa.maunu/

Esa

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #397 on: June 29, 2006, 03:12:44 PM »
In addition, the article also states this as a characteristic of the Barkhausen pulses:

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Any Barkhausen effect transitions will induce weak pulses in the coil wound onto the core material, L1. These pulses are in the low microvolt range, and have a sharp spike profile.


SMALL KICKS, anyone?? It appears we have found the SOURCE of the SMALL KICKS, which when combined through the many COILS' INERACTIONS can generate LARGER KICKS. Interesting isn't it?


Right or wrong, this is cool stuff, and not to be disregarded, without some introspection, as it fits PERFECTLY WITH WHAT STEVEN HAS SAID THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


No one even address the post below please!, lets stay on track..........

My reading of this is that the core magnetic material is selected so that very small changes in magnetic field translate to larger changes in voltage than would normally be expected, but it's still in the microvolt range. An oscilloscope set to the microvolt range will display thousands of spikes when connected across any passive coil due to lights being clicked on and off, light dimmers, lawn mowers, cars, lightening, etc. etc. If you're wanting microvolt spikes you've got thousands of them right now. Not to mention reradiation from the main wiring in the house. I've also noticed the electronic dimmers which use wave chopping dumps loads of crap onto the mains wiring. My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!

I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.

I haven't been successful in generating 'collectable' kick energy, even with a car battery. I've gone back to finding out first principles on the three things we know about the wire: The wire is copper wire, iron wire/baling wire. And this research has been revealing - putting a post together now.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #398 on: June 29, 2006, 03:28:30 PM »
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My latest coil even picks up some FM radio signal!

Very nice bob! Your coil is receiving energy. I would go back and read the amasci.com links on Bill Beaty's site.
If you can generate power from that, you just need to tune it to a different frequency!

snip snip

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #398 on: June 29, 2006, 03:28:30 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #399 on: June 29, 2006, 03:42:34 PM »
As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...

which lead to this:

"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.

Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.

But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".

Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.

On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm

That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.

This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf

Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm

Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.

In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.

Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
OR
Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?






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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #400 on: June 29, 2006, 04:19:33 PM »
I think you may be right about the iron wire. This device has been about using the the supposed negative factors of electronics to the benefit of the device. In the case of iron we're using it's higher resistance to cause a slower relaxation time.

I think this may be the key to controlling the overheating problem too. Even though we arent even close to this point yet. Fine tuning this material might be beneficial, finding the perfect relaxation time by trying different conductive wires would create a balance between the number of kicks generated, and how much heat the device puts off. I'm heading out the door right now, so this might not make sense.

At any rate, steel wire, siSteel wire, etc etc. might be beneficial to the device once we get to the point of making it work.

I still can't figure out if he ever insulated the bailiing wire before putting it in the device or not. I assume he did, but there's a lot of unconventional stuff about the tpu.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #400 on: June 29, 2006, 04:19:33 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #401 on: June 29, 2006, 04:45:37 PM »
I think that Steven is not using one of the iron wires as a conductor.
Could you explain your thinking/reasoning on this a bit more ?

Are you saying he is using it as a conductor but is also using it as say a collector tube.
Or
Are you saying he is not using it as a conductor at all ?

Cheers


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #402 on: June 29, 2006, 06:35:05 PM »

I know you really want to understand how the very first kick was generated, and if we understood this it would obviously help us to understand the device. But we do know that kicks are required. So at this stage using a battery to generate the first kick and create an avalanche of kicks would be fine by me.

Your right, I have been trying to figure this all out based on the whole magnet thing. :P

The whole fact that taking a magnet off stops the device from working.

Perhaps part of his kick generation circuitry relies on a small iron core transformer which needs to be semi saturated. A saturated core will generate plenty of higher frequency harmonics. By only being semi saturated, the saturation will only occur during high voltage peaks, thus clustering the harmonics ? If you somehow wrap the input to the output perhaps the effect is higher and higher harmonics. Perhaps even having harmonics in the gigahertz territory, which would then make sense of his comment that the circumference is linked to the frequency, as the wavelength of a gigahertz wave is a few inches as opposed to hundreds of feet.

Take the magnets off and the core doesn't saturate as much and the harmonics die down.




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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #403 on: June 29, 2006, 06:38:51 PM »
As you know I haven't got past the stage of being to produce collectable kicks. So I went back to basics and reviewed the physical and electrical characteristic differences between copper and iron/baling wire. Of which relaxation time was one characteristic...

which lead to this:

"First, suppose the input potential is instantaneously applied across a conducting pair connected to a load, so that a difference of potential exists around the external circuit. The electrons cannot respond immediately, so for just a moment the potential flows freely down the circuit, without any electron current. Then the electrons start to move, overshoot a bit as they accelerate, then oscillate back and forth a bit.

Also, recall that electrons move longitudinal down the wire only with a drift velocity -- typically a few inches per hour. Most of the electron movement is laterally in the wire.

But for all this to get started after that instantaneous application of potential, the time delay occurs -- and a certain measure of that is known as "relaxation time".

Unfortunately, in a copper conductor it is so short a time that essentially one can make little or no use of the fact that the potential energy of the circuit can be freely changed without work (i.e., simply "regauged") while the electrons are not yet moving. So for normal copper conductors, one can forget it for any power applications.

On the other hand, something like an alloy of 1% Fe in the copper, as an alloy, has a relaxation time that can reach a millisecond. So that is plenty of time for the potential, moving through space outside the wire, to move an appreciable distance along the wire, changing much of the potential energy of the circuit "for free"...
http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/030304.htm

That to me is the essence of the kick ?
I also looked up the relaxation time of iron, guess what, the relaxation time of iron is 6.5 times longer than copper.

This explains relaxation time:
http://local.eleceng.uct.ac.za/Courses/EEE355F/lecture_notes/Chapter_5.7_relaxation_time.pdf

Longer relaxation times go to metals with lower levels of conductivity which leads to this table here:
http://www.wisetool.com/designation/cond.htm

Note that lead, steel, iron and titanium all have much lower conductivity than copper.

In short the iron wire MUST be used for the kick generation coils as well as the collector coils.

Which leads to another question anyone got a source for insulated iron wire ?
OR
Are these coils wound with uninsulated iron wire but not closely spaced? I would imagine high voltage spark over would mean we would have to have insulated iron wire ?




Bob, didn't you see my post a while back on this??

Seems you missed it entirely!!!

LOL :)






I don't think the Iron Wire had much to do with the effect, it was just convenient material at the time. Perhaps I'm wrong though, Iron would have the effect of retaining some of it's magnetic properties when charge was absent during pulses. This, in most applications would be undesirable. But in perhaps the "worst case scenario" applies to this as well. As Bob said we can try it both ways in the experiments. However, if it is beneficial, I doubt we'll see any benefits of it, until we've got some coils wound.


Having looked up baling wire myself, it appears it's most common form is galvanized steel or black annealed steel.

Looking up the resistivity of steel, it is at least 10 times as much as copper. Why is this of any importance?

Well, if you are sending a sharp pulse down this baling wire as opposed to copper, the pulse will find much more resisitance to flow than through the copper wire and allow you a little more time to STOP THE PULSE before it gets too far down the wire.

Just a thought, just something I noticed is all, who knows if Steven in intended this or not......


*As a side note, Stan Meyer used Stainless Steel wire in his pulsing unit to 'restrict amp flow' to his 'water capacitor'--According to his large technical brief....

Electricity doesn't travel any slower based on resistance.

What I meant to portray was the electron gas relaxtion time difference from copper as opposed to steel.

In steel the electron gas relaxation time is longer, and hence, when electricity is first applied to the wire, it takes longer for the electrons to START to propagate down the wire, as opposed to copper.

This would mean, any material that has a longer electron gas relaxation time will be better to use as the KICK GENERATING WIRE.


http://www.ece.mcmaster.ca/faculty/nikolova/EM_downloads/LectureNotes/Lecture13.pdf
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Consider an isolated conductor whose initial total charge is
zero. If it comes into a contact with charged source, it will
accumulate charge. The Coulombic forces due to the excess
charge in the conductor?s volume will push the highly mobile
charged particles away from each other until they reach the
conductor?s surface. They will accumulate there because they
cannot leave the surface. In a perfect conductor (which is an
idealized case), this process happens immediately. In real
good conductors, it takes some finite time, typically 10^-19 s.
This process is called charge relaxation, and the time
required for its completion is called relaxation time. We will
now give a more rigorous definition of the relaxation time.


http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tbfrenrg.htm
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when a Source ( a dipole ) is connected to a resistive load, the most important part of the principle is the information transfered to the load at the speed of light by the S-Flow. The S-Flow is pure EM energy which flows through the space and outside the conductor. This energy is Free and only this part must be used as a "free lunch". Just after this very short time, after that the switch is closed ( the transient phase ), the current begins to flow in the circuit. This transient phase is named the Relaxation Time. In copper, the relaxation time is incredibly rapid, it's about 1.5 x 10-19 sec. When the current flows ( the permanent phase ), the circuit consumes power from the Source and dissipates energy by Joule's Effet, this phase must not be used in our case.

I ONLY refereneced that source to EXPLAIN what I meant about the difference in using copper as opposed to steel for our KICK generation wire, don't get lost in what the articles say.

;)


Tao, you are so right!

I do remember reading your posts and the articles but the significance at the time went right over my head.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #404 on: June 29, 2006, 07:24:30 PM »
Again: Steven is telling us in the video, that HE IS USING  BAILING (IRON) WIRE,
so don?t confuse other people by telling, he is not using it, please !

The interesting part will be, what happens, if you
put a current through iron wire, that is alreday magnetized
by a permanent magnet almost at the point, where it
toggles the Barkhausen spikes back and forth.

Normally you do this with a iron core with a copper
coil wound around it to see the Barkhausen jumps...

Now if the iron core is also a coil and the Barkhausen
jumps superimpose the current put through to it,
it could probably feedback to another coil and
start selfoscillate and increase the amplitude
so it will wind higher and higher..

 

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