Well they are spending a lot of money and trouble if it's fake. Patents applied for in 198 countries.
I agree with you milehigh could be batteries,the problem is the batteries that you can get now get,are very high power.In the days of the tpu 1997,these kind of batteries did not exist or were in labs so you could rule out batteries to a point.Maybe sterling should contact these guys,I need a good laugh,we got cheated out of laughs on the motor-gen one.
The intermediate device produce 280 KW
... and the bigger device produce around 1 MW.
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???
It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???
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What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.
It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???
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B1 and B2 are negotiating with Sterling. They have developed an overunity powered banana. It needs soem funding so he can gett here ASAP
Kind Regards
Mark
Can somebody post the Patents here, or show a Link to see them.
Thank you.
Bill, the "A1" at the end of the number indicates a stage in the application process, the patent has not yet been granted (as of that publication).
Thanks for the heads-up about the SS segment on MyLOW, I'll have to listen to it. A blast from the past!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.
Thanks for the info.Ah, too bad. I don't think the chat is archived, so I guess I missed the fun.
The "Mylow discussion" took place in the chat room that runs along side the SS show. It was not mentioned on the show itself.
Bill
Here a video with a replication of the system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs)
Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no)Cheers Grum.
A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry?
Translation of the text by the video uploader: "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"
I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?Look in Patrick Kelly's latest e-book update
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)
Regards
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?This link is Patrick Kelly's latest Appendix 3 which has a translation of the patent: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Appendix3.pdf
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties? If it will make you feel better here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo)
Well suits and one tie any way .... and a bit more measuring equipment ;)
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html) the description from the patent:
The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount. Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3.
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't. It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_ actually see performed.
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?
No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.
Is this really so difficult for you to understand? It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.
Is there something really wrong with that?
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)
Regards
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings. It is brilliant! You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...
What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields? Why is that helpful?
Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent. Facinating!
Cheers,
Bruce
If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.
Figure it out. It is not hard!
Cheers,
Bruce
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't. It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?If wire conected to ground, not looped, then if energy going from ground, then input must also curent be not 0.1 A, but if load use let say 10 amps, then and input curent must be 12-10 amps, but not 0.1 amps.
Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_ actually see performed.
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not because ground electrons have no energy. They have a lot. Another point is misconception of ground ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details). Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not because ground electrons have no energy. They have a lot. Another point is misconception of ground ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details). Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully. Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ??? !!!)
No, we need to see lab coats. Without lab coats there is no credibility at all. That's just the way it is.
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.
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The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.That and there are plenty of details and diagrams in Patrick Kelly's latest update of Chapter 3 of his Free energy book as well as the text of the patent in his Appendix now maintained by Lamare at http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/ (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/) where you can download the book, chapter and/or Appendix.
Input at the top, output at the bottom.
This is clearly a criminal organization. I can imagine that they bribed a production manager at this small wood shop so he or she would let them into the shop to film. They put a sticker on an electrical box and then shot some video and put the clip up on YouTube.
Latest Barbosa leal video today.Well that video didn't last long - it's already MIA (missing). Could you give a brief description of what was in the video if there isn't another place it can be viewed?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg)
Published on 23 Aug 2013
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Generation capacity Month: 28,728 kWh
Equipment installed: Industrial application
If this is a patent investment free energy scam, it's the king of all free energy scams.
BTW I can't get it to work either.
Bruce TPU wasnt interested in the truth and deletes statements that point out errors in his thinking. This is not the path of 'scientific discovery". How many of you here actually test your theories on the bench before posting? I know what is fact because I test it all out. If you ever want to discover the truth for yourself dont wait for someone else to hand it on a platter. Do it yourself!
Happy testing!
I'm not exactly sure what is the right kind yet but I'm guessing it might be to do the 2 turn wrap with Iron wire instead of copper. Haven't tried that yet but I will.
Hey Pirate!
I have followed your posts and video's for the past few months....read the entire NS thread before joining. :o In fact, I am in the process of winding my ground coil. This looks to me like an attempt to take ground energy and amplify it using a different style of prime for "the pump". ::) Maybe what looks like junk on the surface can be combined with what we have (my ground experiments with only rods work) and reconfigured to actually produce something more. Something to at least play with.
Thanks for all of your work and posts.
Ken
Can somebody PLEASE post a WIRING DIAGRAM for this?
What good is a YouTube Video without a schematic or wiring diagram?
Even a little kid would know that. I thought we were Professional Knowledgeable Adults here, but maybe not??
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Update from 1st circuit
From the video
2 transformer primaries 1 and 2 in parallel and connected to 220 v ac supply
Tr 1 and TR2 secondary one turn each on series connected o the primry one turn to close the 6 mm copper single wire
the output of TR 3 is connected to load lamp
Battery cable is an alternative
for the new version using earth
dc to ac inverter to the above circuit
TR3 output one to load and the other to earth
this is my interpretation correct me if im wrong
Dreamyear has YT like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded)Using above schematic
Carlos schematic!
Barbosa leal replication 081013 yt totoalas using carlos schematic
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron
You mentioned earlier of using 6 mm stranded wire for the loop, did you find that the power output was higher with the larger wire?
What was your input to output power level results?
Thanks for sharing your experiment results on this very interesting design.
Cheers
Maybe :D
This is a demonstration of Nathan Stubblefield's invention, the Earth Cell Battery, patented in 1898 (patent no 600,457). It is a coil that when immersed in the earth's surface taps telluric currents of the earth that can be read with a voltimeter.Two different wires wound on coil then berried in ground, insulated copper wire and iron wire.
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
Any special ground designs used? Barbosa also had an aerial patent design that did not need a ground connection?
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
The loop cable temperature rise from 25 to 70 deg C at the termination point of the end loop cable in 5 minutes which melted the plastic in the terminal block
The reason for the heat at the termination end of the loop is it must pass to a coil to absorb the heat and not to a 2 turn coil I made ... Carlos used the third coil to close the loop.... mine used the two turn coil from same wire loop
The earth ground is another circuit thats another test
from my tests we just need to put the right size of third transformer for ex 1 kw for air conditioning never tried it yet
my set up used 3 transformers with the third as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
Is your setup with 2 transformers, or 3 like Carlos? If 2 do you plan on trying out with 3 transformers?
Maybe :D
Okay, thank you for the description. Please post a photo or video when you get a chance, as a picture is worth a thousand words :)
ps check barbosa leal replication 081013 youtube totoalas
ps check barbosa leal replication 081013 youtube totoalas
I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o)
In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys)
No earthing wire is used only carlos schematic
Thank you for posting the videos. Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire? Where did the ground wire tie to? Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU? It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter" I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.
As I said, I tried several configurations and this one in the movie does show the ground. My ground is a industrial one and I saw no difference or any residual current....Still more tests to be done.
Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire :)
I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop? What size was that wire and where did you ground it? House ground or separate ground connection outside?
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.
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Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue
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The transformer secondary to produce two equal poles should be wrapped as follows, start the first round, when you find the wire wich started the loop pass over it, down wire that is being rolled up, pass under the wire where it began coil and then all the way back to the beginning of the loop. This way you produce two equal poles. Do not forget that the other transformer all has to be exactly the opposite
Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.
Ground! :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground :) :)
This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.
Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.
Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?
So dear Shokac,
You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.
Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)
Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.
Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".
Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.
Objectives of the Invention
The present invention aims to contribute to the generation of sustainable energy, proposing electromagnetic
equipment capable of producing abundant electricity from an extremely low input of electrical energy.
The above objective and other objectives are achieved in the present invention by a device comprising at least
three sets of at least one electromagnetic field generating device (without a core or with at least one core)
powered by an electrical power source, having their cores or any extension of them, with their coils or sets of
coils, wound on at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit which is polarised by a voltage
source, and these sets of electromagnetic field generating devices are arranged with their poles in confrontation,
to promote the interaction of electromagnetic fields, and, preferably, positioned between two hollow metallic
hemispheres, in order to focus and enhance their electromagnetic fields - these interactions cause a new
technical effect - the emergence of an electric current which keeps flowing in a closed loop, with or without voltage
being applied to that closed loop, current which is capable of powering external loads - even if no load is attached
to it.
The device which is the object of the present invention operates as follows: Sets of electromagnetic field
generating devices to be powered by an electrical power source, produce an electromagnetic field which induces
an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles, and through
repeated electromagnetic attraction and repulsion, provides an endless supply of electrons to the conductive
closed loop itself.
The electrons attracted by this technique, augment the current flowing in the closed conductive loop, which
provides the current to power external loads of high power, in spite of the fact that the device itself is supplied with
only a small level of power. Thus, advantageously, the device which is disclosed in the present invention forms a
trap for electrons from space, resulting in the generation of electricity. The interconnections of the components of
the electron-trap cause, a new technical effect, namely, the appearance of an electric current which keeps circling
in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to the closed circuit, and even without a load being
connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or thermal energy, providing access
to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw (http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw)System grounded
work in progrss
my set up used 3 transformers with the third as output tothe 60 watts lampload test using above set up
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
forest :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.
Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Cheers
load test using above set up
No load
input 0.5 amps 230 v ac
loop current 140 amps
output 0 amps
with load
input 0.7 amps
loop current 120 amps
output 0.3 amps
load 1.7 amps electric drill
10 mm cable loop very hot
I will replace the insulation in my MOT since the system is is grounded blowing my 13 a fuse.... also I hit one coil and might be damaged during the cutting of the weld
Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable? Its insulated but fine strand will load the video later today
Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting. The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?
Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting. The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.
The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).
Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413 Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o
Stupify :P ::)
Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment.
How many coil turns per transformer? 2 TURNS
CW or CCW turns? TR1 CW TR2 CCW TR3 CW
NS, NS, NS coil orientation? NS SN NS
Cheers
So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??Nice find, and seems legit in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4)
truesearch
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.Link ?
Link ?Bump and please ?
Hi , Guys,
I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ??? ?
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
But if possible, I would like a summary of the group’s progress , any replication, etc
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
If you have any specific questions ? I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more information...
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.
enric@aliancaluz.org
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg) This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) . It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-) and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC (i think) Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF - not sinus?
@ enric posted Nov 7: I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment,This is either news, or a summary up;
and those sold were collected. Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probably will definitely,
"bury" the work once again. It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson, that after this date I could talk to them again and get a
diagram of the machine. Who knows?
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enric, any new news yet?
@mx1000,Since they are only selling local I though why not buy ticket there.
Thank you for keeping us informed with your above post.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert)
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This man has built the device (Earth connection).If you conect phase with ground you also get current, so he must run system from inverter. I think he just conect phase with ground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc)
You can replicate it. :D
GOOD NEWS (Thanks truongcongduc4)I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.
A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)
I checked robert 33 and found 20,200,000 hits!!!Microwave transformers test youtube electric experiments
Can you post the Link, or be more specific? Thanks.
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I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.Would be nice to get a response ;)
Except for the video, you perhaps have a building statement ?
May I ask you this question ? I think it is not simple one or two turns for the earth connection.Hi All,
One more question. Where is the best point to put the earth connection?Hi @truongcongduc4
The best point is in the centre of 2 turns coil. But you may make a mistake. Please don't forget. See these images for more detail.
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức 4 : bạn không cần thí nghiệm , tôi đã làm rồi . Kết quả đúng là dòng thứ cấp đã tăng lên gần 100 lần. Lúc đầu , tôi cứ nghĩ là do ngắn mạch . Nhưng không phải vậy. Ngắn mạch chỉ tăng được khoảng 30 lần thôi. Tôi là người Việt đang sống ở Hải Phòng. Bạn đang ở đâu vậy : Mỹ, Đức ...(ta có thể nói chuyện bằng tiếng Việt mà!)Chào Mọi Người, bạn @tonygiang
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .Hi All, @tonygiang
Bye!
@ forest
forest I'm inclined to agree with you. ;)
The other day I was reading a Russian forum a guy demystifying Kapadze device.
He built the device making use of conventional calculations using "reactive power" to produce more energy and system feedback, no "esoteric" energy or ground, and was soon criticized by his peers and even then he showed how to make and yet some people did not believe him. >:(
This situation favors the powerful guys in control of world energy. :'(
While humans do not learn to share things of value, because only share what we do not have more value to us, things remain the same. :-X :-\
Regards
Can you post a link to this please?
I try to make the experiment with this device. But nothing happen. The current in the loop does not increase. Maybe the earth connection must have more than 100 turns.Hi @ truongcongduc4
Hi @truongcongduc4,Now your talking, I like it.
Think about this: The law of conservation of energy is still present, you want to extract from the ground up charge your device (temporarily considered negative charges), you must have a corresponding positive charge to pull it up! Why? As the negatively charged surface did not (generous) to run up to you for free! So how are you (with interest) in terms of energy use??? :D
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!
Yea Iv been wanting to try the KML coils, novel ideaHi All, Hi Dave45
Hello Dave45,I have two versions. One version plus and minus in picture in primary coil is neutral and phase. Other version plus and minus is plus and minus 200 volsts DC let say. But if this versiion, then probarly we not get curent any on secondary? So this version is probarly wrong?
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?
I need to learn more. :D
I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.Tell us more about the spherical cap please.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.
Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.
At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things. ;)
And this is a little more complicated. ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same. 8)
Regards
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS.
That is the small unit on the table in the 7 minute video, the one that powers the bank of 6 one thousand watt bulbs with an 220 volt input of .1 amp which is about 22 watts! Output is 220 volts, 26 amps. The transformer must be very small as the weight of the unit is 1.5 kilos. Hard to believe... but I do not believe they are con artists.
What is the impossible dream though, is that they would be able to sell a $29.00 transformer for $5.000.00 dollars. It is a pipe dream. People will build their own unit once the secret is known. The device can never be kept secret, unless it is suppressed now before it gets out.
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)
I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.
Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.
BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.
Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.
If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.
...Using this words and patent schematics, I draw schematic.
Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post.
1. Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
2. The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction. With this arrangement, the current
circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
amount. Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
of the current in wire 3.
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But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP. So if I am reading this right, wires 4You can put, How I understand DC curent, but if you want get AC curent on output, you must put in AC curent, but must work and with DC curent, that sounds wery strange, but in pictures is plus and minus and patent speaking about DC curent.In DC version primary must have more turns.
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!
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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)
Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.
I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?
Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).If you use inverter and put one end it to ground, you not get any curent in this wire, maybe only wery small. And if you with one hand use one end of inverter, with other hand grounded cable, you not get basicly any shock, only maybe wery small. But if you use socket phase 220 volts in one hand and with other hand take cable conected to ground, then you be killed by electroshock instantly. Because you basicly put in you hands two ends of 220 volts AC.
I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?
Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching.
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.
BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:
Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)
I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.
Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
@a.king
Another possibility is that the transformer shown is not a transformer at all, I mean no iron or other metals core but air core. I understand that the smallest generator is below 2kg. If that is true then 100% there is an air core transformer, just like Kapanadze, in reality air core it the best.
All other Barbosa patents are linked to this one or WO2013104039A1 depending on the source of additional power, Earth or Air.
Best regards,
Romero
Thanks for pointing out the weight, that makes sense.
This I also not understand. But if you make trafo on DC, you get electromagnet. In secondary windings is few turns of wery tick wire, to get wery much amps, in AC wery mych amps maybe create wery strong magnetic field, who mayve atracts electrons from ground, but in DC I dont know how explain, need jus try, that will be like in my schematic. But using DC need much more windings on primary and with tiner wire, to not get chort circuit.
How can a trafo work on DC?
Great Post Romerouk,In air core you must have hight frenquency. And in patent is metal core drawed, who in perspective, but in 2D patents, no core. But you need wery much wire, to run on 50 herc on air core. Maybe 1000 meters wire.
Yeah, I too am wondering if it has an AIR CORE because just the EMPTY METAL BOX should weigh 3 or 4 pounds.
Looking at the Spec Sheet below (posted on their site) their SMALLEST UNIT weighs 1.5 KG.
http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
Here is an exciting overunity transformer, perhaps it is on another thread, but thought I would post here regardless. It is called a joule ringer. No amp meters needed to verify the efficiency of this device.Joule ringer is not overunity. It have eficienty about 80-93 precents. If it overunity, why nobody can not make selfrunning?
Not sure how to embed here on OU.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU)
This is a newer version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g)
Here is the latest, very amazing....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo)
Hi All,Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire? Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?...
Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?Hi MenofFather,
@HavuhungHi FatBird,
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?
Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?
ANSWER: The Current Probe has to be measuring current from the Patented Device BECAUSE the patent says insulated
Wire 5 is WRAPPED around Wire 4.
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They must be using high voltage in the system, thats the reason for the rubber gloves.
Must be a Kapandze setup, air core or ferrite, ground wire.
Do you think they can sell this product?
I don't think so. The dark government will stop them.
How can a trafo work on DC?
Maybe they have developed a kind of magnetic amplifier...More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.
More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.
in my opinion. the only way to achieve overunity is to use both sides of the pulsed magnetic plasma. It can be done in many ways.
Hello all,Hi All, @truongcongduc4
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg)
Enjoy.
I have a different question... What is the rule to find the direction of current in secondary of transformer ? Is that the lenz rule ? From the last video the current direction was such that the resulting magnetic field was opposite to the source magnetic flux , N to N and S to S poles. Is that correct or the video had an error ?
If such then I ask : did anybody tried the transformer in such arrangement like in the last video but with two C like cores separated physically by a very small gap by adhesive tape loosely connecting them together ? If there are opposing poles inside core then it should try to break apart two C pieces pushing them away from each other ? IS that correct ?
Sorry for offtopic but I feel it is important to know that...
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg
Enjoy.
@truongcongduc4,Yes. You are right. So I need your help.
These questions and your ideas prove that you do not have in-depth knowledge of the electricity industry class! . .
Những câu hỏi và ý tưởng của bạn chứng tỏ rằng: Bạn không có kiến thức trường lớp chuyên sâu về ngành Điện! . .
Yes. You are right. So I need your help.
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.
Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.@truongcongduc4
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??Hi @phoneboy,
Hello @havuhung,@truongcongduc4,
What will happen if the frequency is high enough to make the electrons moving faster and easier to trap? And it does not very high so that the device does not be burned.
There is some interesting info & photos at this Witness site:They wanted to go live, in terms of international sales, in January this year.
http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)
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If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering? I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'. I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
Hi @ truongcongduc4
You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )
havuhung
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..
In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.
I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably they now see they have nothing and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts, from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter, not the grid, yet they demo a different unit that produces much less power that requires a very large inverter, that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do... that is why the expertise of the observers that went down there must be questioned, they should have asked to have the inverter power the 6000 watt unit and verify the 22 watt input.
Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.
This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.
Is out intention to publicize abut this in such that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.
After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...
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The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
Here's a little advice. Just take off one part of the "90 times" amplification and feed it back to the input. Then you'll have a mere 89 times amplification... but you can disconnect from the "electrical potentials from the planet" for good, once the thing is started up.Hi All, Hi TinselKoala
There, I give you that much for nothing. If you can't figure out how to do it, please let me know and I'll tell you how. But that will cost you.
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.Wouldn't it be possible for you to buy a epoxied device, and resell -> reship it ?
This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.
I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.
Is out intention to publicize abut this in such that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.
After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...
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electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ? >:( this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ? >:( this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
@ Skribat,
Thank you for that article site. But still see if you can find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems
like just the EMPTY BOX would weigh more than that (about 3.5 Pounds). Notice their Patent Photo below shows an Iron Core.
The reason that's important is because if that 1.5 KG weight is correct, it STRONGLY IMPLIES that unit has an AIR CORE rather than an Iron Core.
Thank you.
Hello all,When watching it, I saw this video aswell (in recommended thing or something.)
I try to find on the internet and there is a video that look like Barbosa and Lead device. I believe that if he connect his device with the ground, it can supply more free energy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKykwLLHPc
Enjoy.
Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?
DaS Energy.
Use http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/
I can find the map easily.
Don't lie, no you haven't, nice try but!
Das Energy .. you are searching with the translation .. you must search Imperatz .. read the post again and look at the name on the map sk
hi.. fatbird
maybe 1.5 kg is weight without box,
hi.. dasenergy
great, if you will go there ,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers located in the city of Imperatriz - MA, Brazil "
This is my latest news which I will share with you, I cannot give the source of this and cannot prove its validity but my connection has no reason not to tell the truth.
Last news from the guys from Maranhão, is that they are
facing lawsuit against the power company.
Judge banned the sales and marketing of the equipment and those were sold, were confiscated back by the police.
I know that researchers are trying a way to not need the imput of the network, which is what stimulates the equipment.
I'll call back the guys (inventors) to see if I can get a scheme, after all the guys already have the patent. What more they can possible want?
There is a fackt that can facilitate us the access to the device, but I can not comment yet.
We are trying to get more details, please write to me soon again, for news.
As what i have predicted it's was "HUMAN ERRORS". :o
das energy you are welcome to ask more help.....
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Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change!]
Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change.
I didt say, "Town names don't change with translation"
if you still can not find the map, it's yours, anybody else can find that.
you should read all post including the link given to you.
good bye
HI guys .. this is worth watching it is not ordinary free energy videos, I think this is not a magic trick.Hi skribat,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U) TIGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4) PT2
So now we have Russian scientists saying they have used Tesla to access free energy, (cold electricity) an overunity ratio of greater than 10:1 ,, 160w input 1.6 to 2 kw output . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM)Hi skribat,
. it looks to me very similar in principle to Energia Universal (Barbosa and Lea) and Tariel Kapanadze. .. so why shouldn't we assume that they work also. I think we .. the people are very close to success, I'm not surprised the the UK government are trying to push people into 'Public Ownership') schemes of windpower etc .. they are trying to lock the people in before the people wise up to the fact that free energy is knocking on the door .. we will succeed.
Hi skribat,
It is a pity that when the device is always FE inventors concealed the true principles of its work, to come a time later it disappeared along with the inventor, but for unknown reasons!. . :(
I am just wondering is there anyone else other than myself who still prefers the CRT to the LED / plasma / LCDThey never respond to my emails or FB message(s). ???
I still use CRT for my computers also I find them more comfortable and natural, much easier on the eyes. sk
I have sent another message for news of Barbosa and Lea . Energia universal and will post it when I have it.
a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner ..
I think they have been working on this for too long for there to be nothing .. and they had working units installed in locations, why would the police be sent to confiscate them if they didn't work? and why aren't the people who had them shouting fraud .. because they are not. I think they have something the claimed overunity (6.4) is within the range of other claimed devices of the same type, anything up to 10 times.
Remember Paul Pantone the Geet inventor who was sent to jail for three and a half years when the authority said he was working a scam? .. after other people began replicating the Geet device they had to release eighteen months into his sentence. .. .. and what about Cold fusion, now a reality after the original scientist inventors were ridiculed for forty years ..
Believe, just a little .. it is only natural that after working many years and at considerable cost inventors want to try to protect the investment they have put in .. eventually like the Geet and others the design principles may become open source.
.
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering? I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'. I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
"Look at the pictures"
Five wires to the device top picture! Three wires to the device bottom picture!
Correction by page expansion! Actually five wires present both picture!!
Look this pictures!
Is this energy from ground or energy to ground without power meter? ???
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
and diagrams from the patent.
1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.
2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???
3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.
4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram
P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.
I know that with clamp meters the direction the wire goes through the clamps determines which direction you're measuring the current.
And the difference between the pictures is that all the wires do not go through the clamps in the same direction.
So he is measuring one of the wires with the current going in the opposite direction.
I don't use clamps meters so I can't tell you from the picture which way the current is flowing.
How about you just tell us in detail what you are seeing? ;D
DonL
Preparing the test........
Ari
Preparing to take apart
"A friend contribution"
Ari
Is that red/brown stuff what's inside the whole box?
That's one way to hide your secrets. >:(
DonL
Mr forest do you think Barbosa leal invention is only a way to cheat the electrical meter or is a way to generate electricity from graund?
Mr ariovaldo do you have any test and information about this invention? I hope is very real, and i have friends from brasil maybe they can live a easier life, and i hope barboza and leal make it public because thé big corporation they never will let go foward . Thank.
Mr ariovaldo the good graund can be one pole of copper and other from magnesium. What do you think?
@ Ariovaldo (or anybody else that might know)
Below is some text from their Patent, converted to English. Some of the HIGHLIGHTED words like LOOP, CLOSED CIRCUIT,
are REALLY STRANGE. Is he saying that one of the Coils is a CONTINUOUS SHORT CIRCUIT? ??? Any comments?
Another advantage of the proposed electron-trap of the present invention is that the electron-trap can transport electrons from one
point "A" to a point "B", without a voltage drop in the link - if it is polarized - regardless of the distance between the points, depending
on the strength and quantity of the electromagnetic field-generating devices. It is also possible to transport the electrons when the link
devices generating the electromagnetic field are not polarized. In this way, the electric current is conveyed without voltage but only by the
magnetic field formed between the coils. This methodology can be used in various fields.
There is the appearance of an electric current, which keeps circling in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to
the closed circuit, and even without a load being connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or
thermal energy, providing access to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.
The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4
are connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4. The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
So he used a toroid in the secondary loop ( high current with 4 turns) and 600 to 1000 T to produce load . Battery cables or welding cables used fine strand to take care of heat...
like igor moroz IT induction alternatives 8)
@ Totoalas,http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
Can you please make a little drawing or schematic and post it?
Thank you.
.
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside.
The tests that I conducted didn't show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake, but since I didn't have a good grounding system, that can be the failure cause once in their statements they say "the effects" just will appear in the ground cable looped around the secondary if the ground in good.
This is what I can say for now
Tol. Toto lahat ng device na free energy is gumagamit ng Two Ground/Earth. I can assure you that because my prototype here is running very well with burning light on the bulb. For the mean time I am already working to make a Kapanadze/Don Smith Coil design.Ive been there also Bro
My prototype here if you disconnect the HV ground, the bulb wont even light very bright but will glow a
little that is the common happening on replication of Kapanadze and Don smith there is no real power
deliverd to the Load. If the Load Transformer Ground is disconnected you will see the bulb will not even glow a little. But if everything is properly connected to the Ground the bulb will glow very bright
and very hot .
Dont be fooled by those presented which shows only 1 Wire to ground. They actually split it inside the device like Tariel Kapanadze recently did to his devices. 8) 8)
I hope that my little contribution helps some of you.
What was hidden is already seen by our eyes. It is so simple that every one will laugh. ;D ;D
Just to feed the imagination....
Best Regards
Ariovaldo
Arivaldo!
Good picture!
Can you open all secret?
Shokac
if you had that picture then no more questions on the validity.... well just wait to hear from you again thanks for sharing 8)
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
@ stupify12 or Ariovaldo,
Both of you seem to know a lot about the Captor. Looking at the patent diagram below, is this how they work?
1. The Captor outputs a LOW voltage and needs to charge a battery.
2. An invertor boosts the 12V battery DC voltage up to 230 Volts AC.
Does this sound right to you?
I am trying to figure out if the Captor can OUTPUT 230 V AC, ALL BY ITSELF, or just a LOW VOLTAGE and thus needs batteries.
Thanks.
.
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.
2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.
@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.
Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL ;D ;D ;D
Mr stupify12, What do you think about having a toroid whit 600 a 1000 turns in primary( 0.6h is most important) plus big wire for turns in secondary connected to?( other toroid, plus transformer for load all close loop whit big wire, plus earth wire connected to load transformer?.
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
OK!
Can you bay for me and for you ticket for Foudbal game of Croatia and Brazil? :-)
Picture would be better to understand... ::)
from the picture
3 meters of black cable with a green cable looped around it same size 50 mm dia
the black cable is inserted into 2 big transformers ( like 2 MOT on top of each other )
the secondary 600 to 1000 T inserted in the black cable loop for secondary output
lv secondary output goes to bridge rectifier then to battery to inverter
Loop grounding scenario
1. per stupify 2 grounds/ earth
Electric company ground . water tap / earth wrapped on the HV loop
2. electric company ground to the primary looped
water tap to lv secondary looped
earth connected to the HV loop
which is which Stupify Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)
and diagrams from the patent.
1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.
2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???
3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.
4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram
P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
There are Two Transformer. First Transformer Step UP the Low Voltage we input into HV. The HV potential then is feed to a Step Down Transformer, The Secondary output now is LOw Voltage. The Close Loop is Between the Secondary HV of the First Transformer and HV PRIMARY OF the SEcond Transformer Through Conduction of TWO Ground/Earth Points.
1. per stupify 2 grounds/ earth
Electric company ground . water tap / earth wrapped on the HV loop
2. electric company ground to the primary looped
water tap to lv secondary looped
earth connected to the HV loop
which is which Stupify Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down
Transformer.
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down Transformer.Confirmed
MOT for high amperage ???
You can drive it with simple flyback driver, mazilli driver, induction heater circuit, Tesla
Capacitor Discharge Circuit. Those drive is just actually the sustainer(kicking coil) for the oscillation to add up to
the Amplifying Coil.
Jonnydavros 1.5 v dc flyback driver 5 to 82 mA
Based on my observation on this device:
1. If ONE ground is disconnected the Load Bulb wont even light at its normal brightness.
Checked confirmed
2. If the TWO ground is proper connected to the device the Load Bulb will light very bright and very
hot to the touch.
split or single?
Can charge a battery so fast that you will get afraid the Battery will explode, the Battery readings from 12v will shoot easily to 26v.
30 V dc like reactive charger
3. I can assure that there is no harm to us who is getting near the device or handling the HV which
is the result of Secondary being induced by the Kicking Coil.
With proper connection not alligator clips
4.The main features of this device is that the Magnetic Field of the Primary is away from the Loading Transformer Opposing Magnetic Field. I think you guys called this Lenzless Transformer.
Induction??
5. This is a device Nikola Tesla disclosed boldly and clearly, I just test and replicated based on his
instruction. It is commonly seen on the internet.
6.You can add as many coils as you want on the Loading Transformer. You can add as many as you want Loading Transformer. Looping is nothing but so simple that you'll laugh.
hahahahahah like this????
That is the reason I can tell you guys that a Free energy device really needs Ground/Earth which is also the Plan of Nikola Tesla to send Currents through Ground/Earth.
Water tap, Neutral, electrical compnay ground and earth copper rod
I can assure you everything has already been disclosed by Nikola Tesla, The Energy Device is just an addition of the Looping Circuit or Looping Charger to charge your Drive Source or Battery.
Muito bom senior no more imagination obrigado 8)
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Hi ariovaldo,
As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
the big starnd in the cable is for the high amps high temperature
same as in high amps srating batteries
check igor moroz alternatives 1 and 2 using toroids in the loop to release the load 8)
Working on It.
Hello havuhung,
I find myself having that conclusion, which in some ways irks me as they built two companies around my knowledge, and the energy developments these companies have suffered a similar amount of query and mockery.
Amplification of energy is quite easy, put two wires into a tree and tap its amperage into a capacitor and you have enough power to run a house, however the duration is dependant on how long the amperage has been storing.
The inventors lay claim its straight wattage in and out yet their secrecy defies that. As for Patents there is no such thing as a world Patent, they are taken country by country, and many wont Patent unless your a citizen. The next problem is if you don't have the money to enforce your Patent its money pissed up the wall.
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.
2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.
@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.
Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL ;D ;D ;D
Happy birthday -25 years jubilee- open source :
[0040] To clarify the operation of this embodiment according to the in-vention, the following dimensioning of the transformer windings is given using Figure 17 as an example, the iron cores being dimensioned in accordance with the manner usual for transformers:
- winding 81: 100 windings, 220 V/50 Hz, 5 A at full load;
- winding 82: 1 winding, 5000 A;
- winding 84: 1000 windings, 5000 A;
- winding 85: 1100 windings, 4500 A, 220 V/50 Hz.
[0041] From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84. Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1.1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000
superconducting= super low resistance
Sincerely
OCWL
A signature campaign by Barbosa and Leil on avaaz.org reads the following :.........
CEMAR ENERGY COMPANY MARANHÃO IS IN FRANCE TO CHASE THE INVENTORS CAPTOR ELECTRON: NILSON BARBOSA Cleriston LOYAL AND ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE PRISON OF CAUSING THEM BIG Bully
A CEMAR COMPANHIA DE ENERGIA DO MARANHÃO ESTA EM FRANCA PERSEGUIÇÃO AOS INVENTORES DO CAPTOR DE ELÉTRONS:NILSON BARBOSA E CLÉRISTON LEAL A PONTO DE DETERMINAR A PRISÃO DOS MESMOS CAUSANDO GRANDE INTIM
Whats happening guys, anyone knows about this in details ??
Best,
Just an update, I'm almost ready to run my second experiment. Almost setup, unless I see something interesting I won't bother with any video.---
I've decided this test will be to use the grid neutral (which is grounded by the house ground) and the High current loop (which will be grounded to my own personal ground stake) as the output, ignoring the existing LV windings on the transformer. I'm looking at it and visualizing the circuit in operation and all I see is a small difference in potential or Phase between the two grounded points. I do not see what else could happen, both output lines are connected to the ground. I fail to see how anything unconventional will happen. The neutral line from the grid is grounded and the high current loop is grounded if both grounds are good then the potential difference should be small, a few volts at most, likely less than 1 volt. But I'll try it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense.
I've got one loop of 8 mm cable for the loop around the transformer with a air loop for measuring the current in the loop.
The circuit will go from the grid to a safety switch then the energy meter then the variac then the transformers 240 volt winding. The neutral of the grid will be one output leg and the grounded high current loop will be the other output leg as shown in the drawing in my previous post, the drawing in the red box.
Cheers
P.S. when I look at the device opened up in the pictures does it show the thick cable wrapped around the outside of the toroid core and not through it ?
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Check this.....
http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)
thanks for sharing
there was an increase of current with the load based on what youve seen in the Barbosa leal construction
8) Cheers....
Ariovaldo
Check this.....
http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)
Cheers....
Ariovaldo
Hi Ariovaldo,
I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted?
You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ... the other side of the secondary" and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains?
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase" means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right?
Thanks, Gyula
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections is very simple. The primary has between 600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.
No free energy, just one more BS..
not so fast friends, show me first 6kW output without registered on meters----- -----
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yes me too .. whenever a crook steals your wallet he runs away .. I can't believe that after working on this for several years they would throw away their business and their lives just to make a quick buck .. which they haven't done incidentally .. they are still around and not making any money from this. .. the 'elites' want you to believe it won't work .. watch this ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM OU Energy .. The movement
A good 'challange' to the inventors Barbosa and Leal would be the followings: suppose we create a totally ground independent AC mains source either by an appropiate power inverter run from a big battery bank or by using a few kW Diesel or similar ungrounded generator and ask the two guys to run their device from such AC source, then how their device would perform? 8) ;)
No working circuit diagram from Wesley. Is youtube a science fiction theatre ?? >:( >:(----
Dear totoalas,thanks fir ur analogy
I do appreciate your efforts. But in the absence of grid power, your system wont work. Arent you trying to lighten the weight of a deadbody by pulling its pubic hair out ? If you now excuse me for my analogy. Lol.
;D ;D ;D ;D
thanks fir ur analogy
why wait for free energy if u can do it hybrid while still waiting for one
in a 3rd world country where 85 percent of their hard earned money goes to utility bills instead of food
this a step in right direction
like you said to share ur formula for making gold in the lab
would that be better and ur name will be remembered which was said by you
if ur living in a free country we can do what we want
so ill settke for more tests on the barbosa leal as others are
hope you can contribute with ur own thanks
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whatever you believe you must watch this .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img ***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img ***
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nice tip Google
if you can also see why meters are installed 20 feet above ground power companies meter readers use vernacular lense to read meters on top of 20 ft poles to eliminate meter tampering
Using two bladed hook with stone as weight on a passing two wire elecrc utility cables wellla free lighting and tv at night
Slider just uploaded his 1 wire dc led lights @ 50 feet using battery so theres a chance
now back to Barbosa
lets do it
cheers 8)
Wind an ordinary heater element wire around the phase wire of the grid in your house, it should not touch the phase wire anywhere. Connect one end of the heater element coil with a cap and other end of the cap to earth. Other end of heater coil wire should be left as it it, not connected anywhere.
Have free electricity, unmetered, for as long as you want.
For better results use thick copper or silver strand.
If in your country you have neutral return wire system :
Make a deep dug earth connection, put a copper rod in it connected witha thick multistand cable as used in battery connections to inverters. Let this wire be deep buried in hole with rod. Do not remove cables insulation till atleast 4 meters deep. Fill the whole with concrete. Let it dry.
Now check the potential difference between phase wire and earth you created. If need be add an automatic voltage trafo in between, say 5kw, to power your house load.
Check energy meter reading before and one month after.
Best way to free energy for third world. ;D
Ps. Totoalas, you forgot I clearly mentioned that if Tito shares his free energy device I will tell my heavy metals to gold transmutation formula. No alchemistry, pure physical chemistry.
Best,
Have fun.
Link please ..dc single wire transmission and dc single wire - 50 ft from solar yt slider 2732 8)
Thanks
Since some time I'm doing a reflection, but it is possible that these gentlemen have spent a lot of money
to have Brazilian European and international patent for something that they were not sure that the system
works maybe the captor is just a diversion to divert those like us but the secret is it another..
Leo48
No its free energy by induction. Anyway power company has induction losses. I can sue power company to irradiate my house with unwanted radiations. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi All,
I agree with you...Why somebody will spend a lot of money with a system that looks like a scam?
I tested the equipment and it did work in my place, probably because the grounding system was not so good, but the same equipment was tested in a good grounding system before and didn't run either.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Here http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf)
Use in to 2000 W iverter [size=78%]11,72 VCC[/size]
55,4 A = 649 W (0,649 KW)
out 237 VCA x 815 A = 193.115 W (193 KW)
Energy amplification, more than 200 times.
If I good understand foreign language. :D ;D
Edit: But seems they meshure closed loop but not amps on load. :o seems they use tick iron pipe as resistance, so meashurements may be not wery correct.[/size]
Hi All,I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D
Another question is: Why is the device from the company patents were sold to customers, it is fake and it does not work?
I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D-----
Hi for all
Don't give up with Barbosa replication .I'm trying too, but still nothing .
I new in this forum but not new in free energy research .I carefully checked all Mr Ariovaldo pictures and i found that transformer have 4 wire ends so it's not single wire with 600 turns and there is different size of wire check picture .
And here could be different winding
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k)
http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/ (http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/)
May be here is the answer
where is the rest of device ? only captor was inside the box ? this is only passive device ;)
Mr ariovaldo are you planning to replicate the toroid the same way you find it, what is the best ground system do you recommend for this system?
One more picture..Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?
Thanks ariovaldo, I'll do something to replicate, I'am convince the system works (my opinion). ;D
Hi Ariovaldo . What's the max power of the device that i have seen open ? But it worked corrrectly before opens it ?
Thank in advance .
@ totoalas and all,
Technically this is not stealing from the grid.
The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)
Any comments.
Best,
@all,
Just an observation by me. There are some videos on youtube, that give a lot of insight to developing simple free energy devices, but either or they are :
1. Removed
2. Account removed
3. Private
4. Infringe copyright so removed
5. Not available in your country
6. 404
Is this deliberate suppression by the uploader and or his competitors ??
Any thoughts on this please,
Best,
@ totoalas and all,
Technically this is not stealing from the grid.
The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)
Any comments.
Best,
If I could remember what it was in 2012 ? :-\ I had so many accidental working circuits which stopped working next day :P It was probably a mistake somewhere in the circuit.
I wonder if this captor device had anything except resin sealed captor ? Any strange motor or other switching device ? ::)
@ ariovaldo, Is the below picture that you posted a Burned Out Commercial Captor or a HOME MADE unit?
Thanks.
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Did you actually managed to replicate one unit you'reself ?
It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...
Please, check your PM.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
@ Ariovaldo
I'm sorry but you can check whether the core of the toroidal transformer is earthed, if so then it could act as a capacitor between the 'primary winding for some fluctuations with the earth ... maybe ..
Leo48
@AriovaldoCt is connect direct to the ampere meter.
Excuse me . One question . In picture 17 the ct is connected to an instrument (amperometer , etc ) or something else (coil , etc ) ?
Thanks in advance
Ct is connect direct to the ampere meter.Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
With new parts ofcourse.
Thanks for the result..... 8)
Yes. Didn't work..
The red chemical is plastic, right? I think the equipment will not work in the air. Could you please analyze it?@truongcongduc4,
@totoalasI use 6mm fine stranded for mot i will use mm50mm dia battery cable same qs urge thumb for high current
Did u use copper wire as thick as the thumb? I think if we follow exactly what is in the patent we can replicate it. Maybe fine wires cant draw electrons from the earth.
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I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
Are there any results yet? I would like to see those results too. ;)No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....
No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631 (http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631)
Check this schematics....
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.Hi All,
If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4). This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.
They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
.
Hi Neo-X,
Transformer 220/110 of you are testing; What happened that you mentioned above, may be between the primary winding and a secondary winding insulating layer of paper had no good! . .
Hi Neo-X,
Maybe you have the wrong wiring is like this! . .
The source 220v, hot wire is at the top of the picture and the neutral wire at the bottom of the picture.
Nenad Savic shows a Barboza replication having a 48watt input, and 2100watt output.aaaa, yes, yes, in the video the Serb says that has repeated the scheme provided by ariovaldo :)
Anyone that can speak and write his language please invite him to come to this thread and tell us more about his circuit. Please...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.
If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4). This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.
They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
----> A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
.
There is an easy way to see if the neutral wire is being bypasses and the grid meter fooled. Simply use an in-line safetynot, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!
switch/residual current device (RCD), out of the socket being used, I did and with the active wire connected through the device
and returning the current through the ground the safety switch tripped immediately because a mismatch of current was detected
between the active and neutral lines back from the socket.
If the house is not fitted with any safety switch device it is possible to bypass the meter, however doing anything with live grid
power without a safety switch fitted to the house or without using an inline safety switch is madness.
Without seeing an in line safety switch (and test tripped) we have noway to know if there is one being used.
This is what one looks like but a single socket one can be had for about $20.00 that's a cheap second chance at life.
http://www.arlec.com.au/viewProduct.aspx?productcode=PB96&catalogueID=2&parentCatalogueID=2
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not, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!
I don't understand your post. What does the white power cord's designed power rating and "he is not calculating for 2.3 kW"well Farmhand, but let's point out that this white power cord may miss 2.5A max., This cable can not misses 10.45A (for 2.3KW), if actually the output is powered directly from the phase trough grounding
have to do with weather or not he's using a safety switch ?
Is he using a safety switch or RCD ? You tell me and show me your reasoning.
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This topic will be solve if somebody show this system from battery and power inverter.Of course, if supplied with power from a battery (through power inverter), could not be fraud, because it does not use the phase of grid
Other video from nenad. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go)A Google translation from one of his video's says: " This is a demonstration of my patent examination work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
I was give up on this. In spite of simplicity of the patent no one can replicate this. :(
DON'T GIVE UP .. it took a long time to get gold from the ground, and longer still to learn how to process it.
we need to remember that the electricity company took away the Captor to test it, they also believed it was a device which fooled the meters .. they then tested it (them) to see if they could find that they are unsafe .. when they found nothing the devices had to be returned.
Another point to remember is that the Captor was independently tested whilst running from a battery and the result verified as being six times OU (6xOU) not more as was found previously when a test measurement was found to be inaccurate. They have plans to self loop a battery powered unit .. You can be sure that the (french) electricity company would have stopped them if it could have. Just the fact that they have not been able to stop them might indicate three things, 1) it works .. 2) it needs more development before they see it as being a serious threat .. 3) it doesn't steal electricity.
Just my thoughts, as with the GEET device and developments with Plasma, people are getting closer, the only thing big business can do is to buy up the developments as they hit the market in order to keep the wraps on .. remember Genpax hydrogen (on demand) electric car developed in Japan .. now controlled by big business but exist it does .. AND IT WORKS .. as do lots of other things.
Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for “Barbosa”
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
Acca…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs)
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)"Hi wayne49s,
There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Buen trabajo Nelson. :D
hola,
Creo que es notable que es la entrada y la salida electrica del circuito en los videos publicados.
Ahora en cuanto a no tener sentido, esto es por lo que estoy haciendo estas pruebas, como usted ha dicho que no tiene sentido aparentemente.O Watt metros puede no decir bien debido a la interferencia magnética, por lo que cuando se prueba con un medidor de un proveedor que pueda verificar si relmente funciona o no.
De todas las pruebas que he hecho hasta ahora no han encontrado overunity pero una disminución real en el consumo de aproximadamente 55% en promedio que varía con el tipo de carga utilizada (inductiva o resistiva).
El único fenómeno que me hace pensar que esas son las fluctuaciones en el consumo cuando cuando utilizo algunos tipos de motores.
Voy a publicar un plan con el fin de der finalizado todas las pruebas y las conclusiones.
Debo mencionar otra nota para aquellos que recientemente comentó algunos de mis pruebas diciendo que es imposible.
Tome una lectura de amplificadores MAG Magneticos.
Si necesita puedo proporcionar documentación sobre este tema.
Mi trabajo no es un enbuste también quiere pagar menos electricidad :) pero es necesario trabajar, leer, probar.
Es una de las razones para tomar horas y horas con estas experiencias.
Aproveche esta oportunidad para agradecer a la donación hecha por uno de mis seguidores.
Sin las donaciones de materiales sería casi imposible avanzar en algunos experimentos por ello mi agradecimiento.
Gracias
Hola Alejandro guille,Hi nelsonrochaa,
Yo respondería con un 100% convencido de que funciona.
Ahora puedo decir es lo que observo con mis metros.
Así que puedo responder y decir que funciona cuando se prueba con un proveedor de electricidad mostrador.
Ahora en cuanto a circuito barbosa que han visto el internet tengo mis dudas;
amperaje que el bucle no se corresponde con la ganancia real del circuito, probada y verificada.
Sin apagar el circuito eléctrico de protección DR, la barbosa circuito
no funciona debido a que la fuga es detectada Una tierra 30mA superior que hará que el sistema realice DR.
Se puede observar algunos efectos interesantes en la onda sinusoidal de desplazamiento que muestra la influencia del flujo magnético en el bucle de corriente eléctrica que fluye en la carga.
También comprobé el circuito provoca picos negativos de largo,
actuando de forma idéntica a una forma ladrón Joule.
Lástima que no tengo oscillosopio proprio, además avariei lo que me habían prestado por un amigo durante la prueba.
Ahora tengo una certeza, y puedo garantizar que no hay ningún cambio en el cuadro eléctrico durante todas las pruebas, no hay cables ocultos ni otro tipo de broma durante mis videos.
buenas experiencias
i see and i understand what you want show, but i don't see your diagram circuit in video that's all
>:( lol another time !Hi nelsonrochaa,
>:( Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i cant sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
has i said all this tests is to comprove if work or not.===========
The values in the meeter can change be the magnetic influence of circuit.
I wll make tests with company meeter reader is the only way to know if the circuit and the values are true.
this is the point of situation.Sorry for make mess with translation.
:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw :)
Tommorow I'll try to do some tests with free static frequency energy. If I'll find it is really useable I want to continue in research. I can try to do some bigger devices. It could be very interesting to get power around kW.
From my point of view it is a legal way of getting energy. It is same as you use vapors from a chimney to get some extra heat. It just uses by-product.
What do you think?
People one post more :o ;D is weekend and im happy :)
I want to put a link of one my new subscription of youtube Gfusion Core.sa
link channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3Cw
Man if you listen me you make a great work! proving that all i say about isolate from the conventional principles of electricity if people want to advance is like this man.
I recommend i have great videos about ground system , high frequency energy and other great thinks .
bye
Hi there nelsonrochaa :)!
Thnk you for your nice comments, yes I have been doing alot of Experimenting for some years now, Have you seen my videos??
Check them out.
I did many experiments with coils and Tesla coils, Royer circuits , and other types of transformers with pulses.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw/videos
Btw I have seen that you got a Captor, was very interested to hear about this.
I also did some tests and the results are odd yet surprising.
I did replicate a small captor based on what was provided in this thread, and saw that the Fase (hotwire) works with ground very good and
depending how many grounds you connect to each other like I did, managed to pull 2.0~ amps from ground and voltage around 90V.
I connected e bulbs of 200 watts ( each 100watts )
I have 127V here on the island.
I managed to put plates in ground, 3 plates of half a meter wide and half a meter long.
Good output, but the more plates I put the more amps and maintains voltage up. But can't touch the ground haha.
But don't know if the meter can count that what I am using.
I will check your videos out, Because There must be methods of creating a a Hot wire via e inverter that can pull out amps like how I do with the mains hot wire.
Cheerz :), Hope to share more
Hi Nelson.
I've found a problem in my circuit! I have chinese supply cord where phase and neutral wires are swapped, so there was connected neutral instead phase.
Now I can achieve 185V AC without load! Thats perfect. Unfortunately output power is very poor. If I connect just one LED, then voltage drops to 33V AC @ 40uA.
So If I am correct, I need around 135-757 such devices to get 1W output :)
By the way, this device does not offer free energy. It is not static energy, but simply electromagnetic - same as in transformer but with very poor efficiency. At least it seems to me.
I can measure same amperage in input side as in output.
Probably it could fool a grid meter but thats all :(
It is probably similar principle as Barbosa & Leal device so if it is needed, you can do so rather with direct connection and more amperage with less effort.
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
Very nice work!
Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?
Thanks
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.
If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.
If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.
I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.man you cant draw current from the grid because you don't transfer by induction .
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
So I did some tests with separated ground (directly to ground) and results are same.
No free energy here. I can measure input consumption very precisely.
Even isolants are conductive to some point.
If you do same tests be sure you are measuring AC, because there is no input DC consumption of course.
My final statement for now is, its not worth to build Lorrie Matchett device, because there is no free energy at all.
But it was nice to learn something new.
One more joke??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
For people that want reproduce the circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0
Some interesting effect when pulse the dc current in the circuit with a vibrator .The gap created is green .
I thing can be any relation with Cherenkov radiation .see the video and comment. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0
Hi another test to see the gain in the output with a motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504)
This is a video in Spanish that modifies the circuit Barbosa and place a capacitor instead of a ground wire screwed. Very simple to prove.
Cheers..
I
Is this real replication?It's an interesting experiment but in his country you bypass the meter. He says it's just stealing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary?? I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.The spark is the load. Replacing the spark with an incandescent lamp (high-ohmic) will not show anything unusual. That lamp then just shines dim and flickers. Maybe connecting an arc lamp is the better choice.
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.I would only trust that method of measurement if the power drawn from the spark is greater than the quiescent no load input to the inverter. Not an easy thing to do as the capacitance of the metal object will only be a few pF.
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOTWhen I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND
and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the
world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around
125 Amps circulating in itself. EXCELLENT for fooling people though. LOL
@FatbirdWhen I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC
ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?Forest... I thought you knew me better than that.
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
Regards
Keith
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it. Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.
I can light a 25 watt bulb, here where is live, on just the one hot line from the grid, and outside earth ground. But, not a 100 watt bulb. A system that improves on that small source of power, and that could give more out than that, would be nice to know about.
Hello @ ElectricPirate and All,
Maybe this FULL INFO Kapanadze item might lift your spirits to keep looking for an answer - I know I am busy as a beaver experimenting on B & L.
whenever I get something worth showing I will show it. Cheers.
Clarence, thanks.
Hello @ ALL
Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!
It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!
my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.
Clarence
Clarence
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it. Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.
I think i found the secret of Kapanadze.......The power cord?
The power cord?
Yes, but how does Kapanadze get the power cord to the green box device in the garden and where is the supply located??When someone reproduces the claimed results without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.
When someone reproduces the claimed results without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
experiment was not done for public viewing only to test possibilities.
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4)
There are tiny wires added by Tariel on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia. The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw. I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest in the UK were 150 watt lamps.
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.
My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts. A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
It was really spooky, if you think about it.
The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.
Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.
I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?No readings were taken.
No readings were taken.
No readings were taken.
That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.
Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.
Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit.Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.
Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...
So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.
Clarence:
Hello @ ALL,
before I can send photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.
Clarence
Hi Clarence!
That's really a nice clean setup.
That green twisted wire at the inverter output is just the inverter's grounding cut off right?
I have no more questions :D
I just wish you luck with your tweaks!
Clarence: Which country do you live in?
Have you done any more tests with your setup, and if so what are the results?
Clarence: Great info and looking forward to your progress. By any chance are you from the Upper Midwest of The USA?
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1
Clarence: I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.
I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.
Clarence,
Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.
Thanks
Dear Clarence,
If you think a 120VAC Varic would be benifical to you research I just happen to have an extra unit that I would be willing to donate to a good cause.
These devices are expensive even on eBay.
Send me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com with a shipping address and I can get it right out to you.
Spokane1
Clarence,
The devices in the main loop of these systems always seem to be under a kind of stability stress they
don't experience when plugged into utility networks. Utility networks are very fast and very "stiff"
because of the way the are backed. DC to AC inverters are not so stiff. So devices used here need a
little more hold up time. But not necessarily 7Ah worth.
Ultimately the incandescent bulb will need to be removed from the circuit because it is wasting power
that should be made available to the user purposes. The variac can be helpful at doing so initially. Of course
all the variacs will be removed eventually and be replaced by fixed resources.
I was just hoping you don't let inherent circuit instability put you off when you come this far. The circuit
looks very interesting.
:S:MarkSCoffman
@Clarence Can you make some measurements (AC V&A in VS AC V&A); I tested your system, but the voltage on the battery is getting lower... Tested with a sine wave 300W inverter, and NO LOAD. Discovered something interesting about it: If you put a 20uF in parallel with the INPUT you can light the bulb between the two grounds(Neutral, ground) :)
P.S. I didn't use thickness of the cables, the windings of transformers, and just 2 grounds...Maybe this is the fault?....
Cheers,
Adrian
Clarence:
Hello xhacks,
Glad to meet you. I can make measurements on my device for you sure - however
I didn't understand what you meant in your reference about taking voltage and amperage
measurements on YOUR unit.
on your unit you need to understand that the INVERTER unit itself IS A LOAD and that is why
your battery voltage gradually drops!
Also the part about the BATT - INVERTOR - PHASE - CAPACITOR - NEUTRAL - BULB - GROUND (open loop) is
nothing new at ALL and the bulb is also a LOAD!!! another reason why the battery voltage slowly falls!
If you REALLY want to use that little small inverter system ( Please note that statement is NOT in ANY way
meant to be derogatory!) to A GREAT advantage you can get all of this information from an old DON SMITH
patent device if you will just go to your computer search engine and type in this wording : DON SMITH 2006 TESLA TECH .
after you pull it up (a you tube video from way back) scroll almost to the end and you will see him use a car battery which
he uses to power a hand held 28 WATT power zapper touched to a PLATE CAPACITOR that some one holds a GROUND WIRE
to which he states goes out side to large sized GROUND PLATE that was used for the seminar. He then explains
that the GROUND WIRE can be CUT and a LOAD placed between the two ends of the ground wire!!!
I also remember that He operated up to 2KW LOADS on this type of circuit. follows after Don's motto of KISS!
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.
Use your inverter to power a similar low watt hand held high frequency zapper and then use a small amount of
the load area output to feed back and keep your battery charged and your home free.
BTW: there are a lot more of these little trinkets floating around in the cloud data system that the world doesn't know are out there.
thanks and CHEERS,
Clarence
Hi Clarence. I have been following along on your B&L experiments. You are doing a great job mate!
Appreciate the schematic and photos you posted, as it allowed me to get a much clearer idea of what you are doing.
I am patiently waiting to see if you see any improvement once you add your improved ground rod grid. :)
All the best...
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French) but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribatSkribat, nice find!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work).
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.
Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."
Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says. He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps. That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system ..
Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I
hope he doesn't electrocute himself.
All the best...
Hi skribat. Can you elaborate a bit on the 'magnetic pulse device' you are referring to?
Is it mentioned in any of the patents, and, if so, which ones? Or where is this described?
All the best...
hi Bob .. many thanks for the translation .. your post also reminded me .. it seems that almost everyone working on replicating the captor for some reason ignores their use of the magnetic pulse device use in their system .. as with the Kapenadze system I suspect this is important .. or why would it be there. skribat ..Hi Skribat
hi Void .. as far as I recall it is in all of the patent and specs I read, right from the very first, it is a rotary magnet pulse generator, as far as I can see it serves the same purpose as the spark device in the Kapanadze generator, without this I assume it won't work, it seems to work as a wave generator .. and its frequency has to be tuned in to the system power surge I think. if you look at some of the early posts here, perhaps around page 22 ? you will find things I posted which describes this but there is not a specification for it .. may be a little hush-hush .. could just be a simple hall effect trigger .. skribat
Hi Skribat
Glad to help in a small way. My interest is in identifying the central principle(s) involved. As you say, there seems to be elements in common with TK's work, and I'm sure there are others. The patent notes that this B&L technology can be used "to trap electrons from space" as well to "extract electrons from the earth." See page 33, first paragraph here:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter3.pdf
I believe this is basically what Moray was doing - starting with pulling a charge out of the earth, then later adapting his setup to use a kind of virtual ground. Bearing that in mind then, what is it that this system is actually doing? Is it perhaps more in the nature of exciting the electrostatic environment and creating a kind of gradient of charge imbalance/separation which invites nature to supply charges to restore what the environment perceives as an imbalance?
In my mind, if we can figure out this principle and how to apply it in a variety of different modalities (solid state, mechanical and hybrid combinations), we can effectively blow open a door with huge possibilities - one that can't be closed.
Bob
FWIW,-----------
YT user Hibridor's newest video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtIdTQWkCuM
Translation:
28 sec: (Image of VLC SLIM)
- "The device is a suppressor of high tension spikes used as a "pararayos" (lightning conductor/rod). Technically, it is a spark gap."
39 sec: (Image of Kapanadze [Kapagen(?)] windings)
- "Spark gap"
"Kapanadze generator"
44 sec:
- "1. In the primary winding the tension is elevated thanks to the closed loop."
50 sec:
- " The VLC SLIM discharges the (high tension) surge towards the ground"
55sec:
- "The process repeats itself continuously generating a constant pulsing."
1:00:
- "!!!A spark gap!!! -SG- This is how power is gained.
The Kapanadze/Tesla technique."
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. It sounds like you are making good progress. Good job!
One thing you can possibly try is to use a sprinkler or spray hose to soak the ground around
your ground rods until the ground is really soaked, and see if there is any improvement. Soil type
also matters, but hopefully your soil in your area is half decent as far as ground conductivity.
Is your power supply a switch mode type power supply (SMPS) or the older linear type of power supply with
a big step down transformer? Does you power supply have built in max output current limiting?
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Ok, I looked up your power supply. I was trying to figure out why the previous one might have
blown, but I am still not sure. Don't know that much about SMPS power supplies. Maybe the power supply
regulation circuitry won't work properly when it is driven with under voltage at its power input terminals.
A heavier duty battery charger as you mentioned looking at might be more tolerant of under voltage,
depending on the type and model, and they are designed for charging batteries, so they will self regulate their
charge rate. That may well be worth a try. Also as I mentioned before, really soaking the ground rods area for several hours,
even over a whole day or night, might help as well once the water really soaks in deep, if the ground is a bit dry
around the ground rods. Surface moisture probably won't help that much, but soaking down really deep might well help.
It might be interesting to run the system longer in a loop with the small battery charger you have in place,
but with no load connected, and monitor the charge current going into the batteries, and the voltage on
the batteries, say once an hour or every half hour. If it is maintaining a full charge on the batteries,
after say 6 hours or so while running in a closed loop, that is pretty good already. You could then try adding a
low wattage bulb for a load of say 15 to 25 Watts, and see if the system can maintain that in a closed loop.
If that works, then you can increment the load up a little bit more and see what it can maintain.
Good experimenting Lawrence. I agree with you that a person really needs to test without any connection to
the grid to have any real chance of seeing if the B&L system works as claimed or not.
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Not sure if paralleling the two battery chargers will work. The two separate battery chargers will
be trying to regulate their output voltage/current separately, meaning they may be constantly trying to adjust their
output voltage/current relative to the other, and this might not give desirable results. It might work though. One somewhat
larger capacity battery charger might be better.
P.S. Ok on your ground where you have your ground rods being really soggy. I never imagined it was quite that swampy
on your property, but I have never lived in swamp country. ;)
All the best...
I think this will interest some of you .. EM, and government research
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMokLg9-eY#t=73
Clarence:
Hello Void, a.king21, & ALL,
Have not been able to finish my connections as extreme cold ( VERY unusual here!) and rain has hampered my progress.
will make effort to finish to day and get some testing done.
Patience.
thanks - working on it.
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the detailed update. Ok on your new ground rod system results.
I wasn't quite clear how you had things hooked up when you ran for 2 1/2 hours. Were you
completely disconnected from the AC mains, and were you using the small battery charger to charge the
batteries in the loop?
It appears from some of your previous replies that you don't like it much when people offer suggestions,
so just ignore the following suggestions if you like. :)
IMO, it is quite sufficient in the beginning for your testing to just have no load other than the battery charger
charging the batteries. If you can have an ammeter continually measuring the current drawn from the batteries by the
inverter, and also have another ammeter measuring the current being supplied by the battery charger to the batteries,
I think that can help give a clearer picture how the system is behaving. If the battery charger is maintaining a charge current
to the batteries at close to what the inverter is pulling from the batteries, over several hours, I think that would be a good
achievement already. As mentioned before, a smart battery charger should work well for this application because it is specifically
designed to regulate its output based on the existing charge level on the batteries. I don't know if there would be an advantage of going
to the extra expense of a UPS, since a smart battery charger and some batteries is a similar arrangement. What are you thinking the
UPS might be able to do that a smart battery charger won't provide you?
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the reply. Maybe I am misunderstanding how you have things
connected when you are running your tests. I was thinking that you are always leaving your
battery pack inline, with the battery pack running the inverter. The battery charger is constantly
charging the batteries to close the loop. This way the battery pack acts as a regulator to give the
inverter a fairly steady input voltage. By a smart battery charger, I mean just a battery charger that
automatically regulates its output current based on the battery's charge level. If the battery is fully charged,
the smart battery charger's output current is very low or zero. Is this what you were doing? See the
attached diagram for how I was thinking you are connecting in your circuit components.
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...
HE DESERVES A BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE AND A BIG THANKYOU for all his efforts and for sharing with the rest of us I'm sure that we will all soon recognise that making this open source will be seen to be a big step forward in the development of this type of energy system. He deserve a big hooray and at dinner tonight I will raise my glass and propose a toast to Clarence, for he's a jolly good fellow, and deserves our support and encouragement for the successful completion of this project. well done. .. skribat.
Hi Clarence. Ok, I see. I am sure you will figure something out.
You are doing a great job.
All the best...
Hi Clarence. Ok on your latest tests. I'll be watching to see how you make out if you
do further tests.
All the best...
Hello Void, & ALL,
the upsize equipment is coming in but it will take me a medium while to set up the new foot print on the platform for the build.
when its completed I will test and share the results as usual.
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Ok on the ground rod grid layout.
Take your time mate. There's no hurry. This sort of thing takes lots of trial and error. :)
All the best...
Clarence, thanks for the info on the ground rod quantity and spacing. This was news to me and could invalidate their patent. If it works, you could file an improvement to their patent.
Clarence:
Hello Void & ALL,
My Xantrex smart charger won't be in until sometime between Monday 16th - Wednesday 18th.
I am more than ready to get back on the trail!
foremost on my mind is to establish the veracity of the device as the self powered unit system as it was claimed to be.
time will tell and i will post as usual!
thanks and cheers.
Clarence
Clarence:Clarence:
Hello Void & All,
I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!!
at present I have found out today that my present 20 rod return grid is not cutting it! I have 10 more rods coming in tomorrow and
I will be installing these soon to bring my rod total to 30. after that I will test and post some info about both the components ID and
where to get them, etc.
I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
ok ,did any of you read what is Marc Belanger commenting in this video
Clarence's Set-up definitely gets the Good Houekeeping Seal of approval for being a medium power stable OU loop design.
We will withhold judgment on where the power really comes from in detail, but in many ways the OU gain reactor
could be any device. This loop circuit is something that is seldom seen, but should be everyone's goal and that should
be appreciated. His battery charger can handle up to 256VAC so this should handle most spikes and will probably fold-back
if it can't
I recommend that during some early La. thunderstroms that he watch the captor output voltages carefully, as they can really stir things
up. A small radio receiver is available that can detect local lightning storms and could be used to take circuits offline, if need be.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Awesome work Clarence! I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road. It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables. :)
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir!
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.
aaron5120
Have you looked at the phase relationship between voltage and current with a 'scope? I suspect that you are creating a massive phase difference, which appears as a power gain; the power companies will not like a load like that and the rods have little or nothing to do with it all.@ memoryman:
IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input - 56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!! and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits. the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.
example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........
KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts. about an 80/20 relationship.
Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.
This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.
Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.
All the best...
"its WAY past "scope " time" Why? are you afraid of what it may tell you?@ memoryman:
"and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!" How do you KNOW that without accurate measurements?
"go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private )." PESN is not known for its scientific accuracy; SA has no clue about measuring.
"Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!" Of course it was; SA will always believe claims of OU, no matter how ridiculous.
"I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all the members on this thread combined!" again, how do you KNOW that?
Hi Clarence and all!
Thank you very much for sharing your great work with us! :)
I have a question about the ground 'inducer' (see image) Does it is 'open ended' as shown on the schematic or it is connect on itself? i ask cause it seem to be on the photo of your unit...
Thank you for the eventuel answer. And apologise if for someone it is seem evident...
ps: dont worry about the septic one; if they whant the best answer about their question, they just have to build it!
Hi Clarence. Those are interesting results for sure. However whenever the mains is connected into this sort of circuit
which makes use of earth ground connections, there is always a chance that ground loops back to the
mains are a factor. There should be a simple way to test this exact same setup however without the mains
being in the picture at all. If you get a chance sometime, I'd be really interested to hear what you get
for power measurements in Watts, and also the Power Factor (PF) reading if possible, on both the input and output
power kill-a-watt meters, when connected in as shown in the attached connection diagram. If you can
get the same sort of readings when using your battery and inverter to power the circuit, that should take
ground loops back to the mains right out of the picture. Please note that the input power meter is connected before
the input ground connection to the neutral, so as not to have the ground wire looping around the kill-a-watt meter.
All the best...
by word I can say that the #6 AWG ground return is looped around the Captor black wire loop
2 1/2 turns and then continues on while being reduced to #10 AWG size straight to the terminal strip
that acts as the load point for whatever loads may be placed.
Hello void,
your testing diagram would NOT be correct in the manner that I would test it!
where you show an open ended dangling wire with the wire effect being diverted at a point prior to the ground return loop is not valid.
the induced effect has to continue STRAIGHT through the circuit to have the maximum effect intended and that is the way I will test
it in order to prove the point you desire.
I have learned the hard way not to take short cuts as they will always come back to bite you.
take a look at the photo I sent to wistiti a short while ago.
Again Void THANK YOU for your extreme VALUABLE help Sir!!!!
thanks and cheers!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. I can see where the confusion is, as when I look at your attached photo it looks like
'config 1' in my attached drawing, but it sounds like from your description that you are actually
doing as shown in 'config 2' in my attached drawing? Or is it neither? ;D
Edit: Actually taking a closer look at your picture, I guess it is wired as 'config 2'? I had to look more closely... ;)
P.P.S.
I have attached pics of how B&L showed it in their patent drawing, and how you showed it in your
own hand drawn schematic. It would be good if we can clear this up. If you are doing 'config 2', then
that actually seems to make more sense to me, and it may be that B&L obscured this on purpose in
their patent drawing to try to hide the details of how they are actually doing it.
All the best...
Hi folks!THIS IS OK!
Just to make shure i understand it well; does this drawing is ok Clarence?
thank you!
Hi guys!
One other question.
What is the spect of the ground rod (lenght, diameter and material...)
Thank again!
Hello old man Clarence :)
What a nice copper rods for primary of Big Tesla Transformer. :)
Why don't you build one, and make Lahovsky coil for health treatment !!
You are really prospecting for Tesla Telluric Currents isn't you?? Is it your case i think you shoud break symmetry of equidistant potentials in Iowa ground. Simple - spark it up - spark ground - strike it strongly !!
Make a strong arc sparks using welding machine and see yourself. This is a real setup of professional welder with his experiment in which he was shocked with very high current keeping in one of his hands heavy amps welding cable well insulated while sparking transformer with other hand(glove) with welding electrode. Current shock has blocked his arm long time after strike. He has lucky and his both arms are OK.
In my oppinion Barbosa and Leal for sure have some kind of spark gap/s and for sure did high voltage or high current sparking of their Tor transformer. Try it maybe you have a luck !!
ps: Don't keep heavy amps cable in your hands !!
Regs from Russia.
Enjoykin
Hello wistiti,
glad to answer sir,
the rods are called copper bonded ground rods.
they are 8 foot long.
they are 5/8 inch diameter.
any local hardware should stock them.
you will need to get one of the brass oblong 5/8 diameter wire clamps to go with each rod.
I have attached a photo to show what I am doing with them.
cheers
Clarence
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for sharing such clear information about your test setup. I have been following this thread closely and with great interest. I plan on testing this setup myself as soon as I can find the time. The information you have provided will be very helpful.
Best Regards,
LS
Hi Clarence
Great job. Thanks for all your explanations.
Do you think that we can use 750W microwave oven transformers instead of your toroids ?(300W)
HA! HA! HA!
1. their is absolutely NO spark gap nor ANY necessity for one in this build.
2. I have SUCCESS in this build their is no need for any waste such as so called luck.
3. I am presently using my build to power some of my common house hold appliances that I choose!
NUFF
Clarence
Hello cheors & ALL,
to be blunt - NO! been there done that!!!! P-POOR results!!!!!
The BEST AND ONLY GOOD RESULTS nowdays strictly come from using ferrite toroid transformers.
I have noticed on this thread that MANY members want to try to use a heapy-cheapy way real quick to try and "GET SOMETHING DONE" .
all they accomplish is shooting themselves in the "FOOT"!!!!!!
It is NOT " my way or the highway attitude " is simply a case of reality!!!!
the INHEIRENT values within the ferrite toroid IS what produces the RESULTS everyone is looking for!!!!
I just can not seem to get the point across to members for some reason.... its beyond me why? ???
B&L THEMSELVES used a TOROID even though at first it was a salvaged IRON core toroid they then wound themselves!!!!!
PURPOSELY I have stayed as exactly as close as I could get to B&L's desisgn so I could achieve like results!! AND I have.
stay as very close to my unit and you will have their same results!!!! deviate as you will and know you are going to have the effect of SHOOTING
YOURSEL IN THE FOOT!!!!!
Whatever! HOWEVER I am mindful that you ASKED! and that is the reason I have been BLUNT! I would ALWAYS rather try to HELP someone who asks for help.
thanks to you sir and cheers!
Clarence
hi enjoykin, in great mother russia they didnt teach good manners?
Hi Clarence!
Thanks for updating us on you build, and I hope you will proceed no mater
what will be written on the forum. :D
I have I question, can you provide more detail data in you transformer cores,
so it can be ordered from Europe, the shiping from Usa is very expensive! ;)
Regards 8)
The best thing to do is what Clarence has done. Keep the utility ground and the array ground as totally separate
entities.
If you have developed your system totally separate and let's say you want to use a grid interconnection inverter to sell
this power back to the utility, you would put a one-to-one turns transformer of lets say 4KVA rating (large) between the two
systems for galvanic isolation purposes. The utility would then buy back all the power available 24/7 from the intertie
inverter. By recording how much power you sell back you have an excellent record of what your system is capable of
doing at maximum power on a continuous basis.
If you plan to continue selling power back to the utility in the long term, you will need an agreement. And as has been
suggested it makes sense to keep these Captor systems "low profile" relative to your local utility. These type devices
may be fun to play with, but they really don't "solve" anything. As you will notice what happens to the IR bulb when there
is a wide spread power outage affecting your location.
:S:MarkSCoffman
Hi Clarence,
Thanks for your quick answer.
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can’t find any power ferrite ones.
The one mentioned in your invoice seams to be ordinary laminated toroid transformer ( core 60Hz).
Nothing special about them, or I’m missing something? :o
I just want to be clear on the captor part and don’t get it in the leg, like you mentioned. ;D
transforem link TD 300:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html (http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html)
have a nice day ;)
Clarence: re Void's and Hoppy's comments.
There is one thing you have to watch out for.
Most inverters DO NOT have an isolation transformer between battery input and mains output.
This means that if you plug into your household appliances, you have to make sure that they are independent of your house mains. IF you simply hook your inverter into your mains wiring, it will cause a ground loop with your grounding rods.
I know because I inadvertently looped my inverter in one experiment.
Anyway congratulations, and remember, that having gotten this far, you are bound to get more attention from the community.
Hi Clarence!
Strange they dont understand you run it completly out of the grid... Only with a 12v lead acid battery and a 120vac inverter ...!
Anyway, i have (again) some question!
With the setup you have now (near 60 ground rods) when it is running in loop , what is the max load you can put on it?
Other question, the ground "captor" seem to be the key. But do you think we must have a high power inverter or just adding ground rod will be find? (Meen nead 100w inverter to drive 100 w load + selfloop or we can drive bigger load than the "inverter driving part" is rathing for??)
Again, thank you!
Hello a.King21,
whenever I use one of my household appliances as a test load it is totally unplugged from ANY source of mains all together!
my unit is not connected in ANY way to a mains source and never will be FOREVER! with the completion of all of my new ground rods
any need for such a connection totally vaporized!!! and will remain that way!
I understand what you are saying completely AND I DO APPRECIATE your concern AND support. we go forward together in like minds.
Thanks again and cheers!
Clarence
If there is no such thing "free energy" - why than so many brilliant researchers and inventions were killed by oil-barons mafia ?? 8) List of names is so long......Do you have proof that anyone was killed because they had a free energy device?. You first have to prove they had a free energy device-->that now puts a stop to that-dosnt it.
I bet - next oil-barons move will be "Copper Rod Bill" for every copper rod pricked in ground. 8)
and than "Sun Bill" for every Sun Ray Light...... 8)
Clarence,
You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?
Clarence,
You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can’t find any power ferrite ones.
Hi Void,
In the same way as the ground loop situation you describe may well apply to Clarence's device, I also think this may well be the basis of Kapanadze's 'box' setups.
Clarence
I power the XANTREX TRUE CHARGE 2 by the OUTPUT of the Captor!
the charger KEEPS the battry charged and thus self powers the unit!
So to be clear,you are saying you have a self running device?.
Hello tinman,Sounds great.
It is the unit that says YES. the unit says so by it's performance.
Clarence
Hi Hoppy. To be clear, the mains ground loop issue should only be an issue for the B&L device if it
is being powered from the mains. If it is being powered from a battery and inverter then
the mains should not be a factor at all in the power that the device is producing.
The only way that I can see that Kapadnadze could have been making use of the mains is if he had
a hidden wire from his device to the mains hot wire, but people who have seen Kapadnadze's device
up close seem to have confirmed that there are no hidden wires. Just the earth ground wire(s). If you
just have one wire running to earth ground from the device as in the 'aquarium' device, I can't see any way
that you could be powering from the mains.
All the best...
Hi Void,
Of course you are right in the case of Kapanadze, assuming there is only one wire to the system and that being from earth ground. However, that is a big assumption, given that any other wire would have been very well concealled. ;)
I would like to know what voltage Clarence measures between his mains neutral and earth ground, with his device totally disconnected from earth ground.
HELLO Hoppy,
It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GRIP!!!!
Clarence
Yes, I am fully aware that you have made it very clear that your system is not in any way connected to the grid. However, I am still interested in the voltage measured between your ground earth array and your grid neutral.
Hello Hoppy,
thats simple. its the same as the rms voltage across the phase/neutral of the captor output.
they balance. at present it only reads 120.4 with just the 30 rods. more rods equal higher voltage.
that why I am bring up my rod total to 60 rods to get it up to the inverter rms of 122.2 and still have
LOADS of potential left to carry loads and not drop voltage any more.
measurements mean the world to measurementalists but they do NOT interest me. RESULTS do.
if i were going by measurements I would still be back blowing in the wind instead of where I am.
Clarence
Haha, I like it - measurementalists! Not needed if you are looped! I think what some here are still wondering is whether you have enough load running off grid that it is not just the battery providing the power. With the single battery you have I can't imagine that lasting long at all without being charged a lot if you have even a few appliances going. I've got a 4000 watt programmable Trace/Xantrex Inverter running off a bunch of batteries and it won't last much more than a day or two without getting the batteries recharged (a few big golf cart batteries but many others are marginal). That inverter I have says it is 96% efficient and in my experience it is at least that. It has a built in charger so I'm not sure if I could use it for this setup - might need an external one. Biggest problem for me is getting time away from the other half's plans for us - which always seem to take priority over any building projects :( But this is on top of my project build priority list as of now ...
Thanks for your reply.
So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.
Wrong again!
Clarence
HELLO Hoppy,
It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET A GRIP!!!!
Clarence
OK, so what voltage do you have between mains grid neutral and your earth ground array?
Hi, Clarence
Could you do the following measurements please, with everything unplugged?
1 voltages between some adjacent ground rods.
2 Voltages between ground rods furthest away if in series.
These figures would be most helpful.
Thanks
Thanks for your reply.
So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.
If it works why not draw it and videotape it thoroughly while working for the benefit of mankind ?You know the answer to that as well as i do FarmHand.
I am trying to eliminate the last possible conventional explanation.
As you stated before, many farmers use electrified fences in your area.
Also the known system of Single Wire Earth Return (SWER) is common in rural areas.
It is a little known fact, but the earth is an excellent conductor. I have for instance re-routed a spark gap through
2 earth rods, and it worked just fine. I have also used very low power ie an ne2 bulb powered by a capacitor and routed it
through 2 earth rods. There is usually a little resistance to current flow at first then (I assume) the earth forms an ionic pathway.
So BOTTOM LINE:
It may work in your area, but it may not work in other countries or in urban areas.
That's what I am trying to figure out.
By measuring voltage between earth rods with your system switched off, you should have no electrical flow to speak of - maybe half a volt or so.
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
WHAT A SAD SAD JOKE!!!!Looking forward to your video of your self running device. ;)
Clarence
Clarence: Wow. That's a result. Very encouraging.
Keep up the good work.
We will have to figure out how it works however.
Some of us want to build a smaller system to check out the technology before we spend thousands of
dollars.
If you have a small 75 watt inverter it would be fantastic if you could duplicate your system on a smaller scale.
I know it may seem like a step backwards, but just the opposite will be the case as more and more of
us replicate and figure out what is going on.
Anyway, congratulations on the breakthrough.
Hello a.King21,And away we go when crunch time is at hand.
thanks for your support Sir!
I am going to be off of the forum for awhile in order to catch up on all of my to dos.
I believe while I am off that it would be better to finish the 120/240 adaptation for this KW module I started with.
proving all of its merits would then remove the risk for those who desire to duplicate it.
also it will give all of those coming out of the wood work time to drown themselves in their own juice which they most certainly will.
if at any time you need anything else just post and I will see your I D pop up on my PC and I will look and see.
again - many thanks.
Cheers.
Clarence
I understand your desire to replicate at a smaller design level but I don't think it would work out for many reasons.Of course it wont work out,and we also will never see a video of this device self running-->the chicken has flown the coop,as the to do's are far more important than showing the world the first self powered/self running device with excess energy.
Hoppy
if Clarence is not connected to his neutral or mains "in any way"
why would that be a problem for this completely isolated experiment??
[all other obvious concerns aside if its truly reading a phase in the house]
??
respectfully
Chet K
And away we go when crunch time is at hand.
Of course it wont work out,and we also will never see a video of this device self running-->the chicken has flown the coop,as the to do's are far more important than showing the world the first self powered/self running device with excess energy.
Yes-->WHAT A JOKE.
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
Dang man. There's no need for that sort of nonsense at all.Hi Void
Clarence is just building the device based on his best understanding of how it is supposed to be done,
and running tests to see if it works as claimed. He doesn't have to share any info here.
I personally am very cautious about considering drawing conclusions about whether some device or effect I am
testing might really be over unity or not, but in regards to Clarence's testing, we don't know much details of what all specific
tests Clarence has done so far. For myself, over the last several years of experimenting in this area, I have seen some interesting effects,
but with more in depth testing I usually come to a better understanding of what is happening and determine that it is not actually
over unity, even though it can sometimes look like it at first without investigating much deeper and carefully into what is going on.
In the case of Clarence's B&L device, we simply don't have enough info about how it is performing so far to be able
to draw any conclusions one way or the other, as Clarence hasn't posted much in the way of details about his tests so far.
Clarence did say a short time ago that he has connected his device to the mains and powered things like his
microwave, and some others here were also posting some info about similar devices that were powered from the mains,
so that is why I posted the info about potential mains ground loops when using mains power and connecting a device to earth ground.
Once Clarence gets all his new ground rods installed and connected in, if he can make his device self run using the battery and inverter
and charger (no mains connection) while powering a small load like a light bulb, and leave it running steady for say a couple of days, if the battery is
still maintaining around a full charge under those operating conditions after running steady for a couple of days, then that should be a pretty good test.
Clarence is pretty busy however, so it may take him a while to get that all ready and do that sort of testing.
All the best...
Hi Void
Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self ??? .
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
The ground rods are nothing more than resistors in the circuit,and the more he adds,the less the resistance in the neutral line.
How many people are going to waste there hard earned cash on this one i wonder?. I see what it is,and it is nothing but a battery to inverter to load to charger to battery loop. This means nothing more than a system full of losses by way of heat.
Do you believe that you will ever see this device running in a self sustained mode while driving a load?.
Some times the truth is the hardest to hear,but none the less,it is the truth.
The battery under this direct looping will not be in the best of health!
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.
---
If you try to understand how it works using the rules studied in school
can not be in when they are incomplete.
Leo48
Hi Void
Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self ??? .
Hi Tinman. Belief doesn't factor into it for me. All that needs to be done is to do a practical and reasonable testI agree with you .. 'remove the resistance' assume it can be done .. even if it couldn't self-run .. wouldn't you be happy if it just halved your electricity bill .. I think Clarence is an honest guy with every intention of sharing the results of his hard work . .. this is no time to be standing on the guy's face when he is trying to drag us up off the ground. .. Let's not argue OU it doesn't matter if it is or not at this point, let's just see how much progress has actually been made and be grateful for it. Little by little we are moving forward, it often takes a while. It took ants five years to undermine my gatepost but it eventually fell down. Let's all get behind Clarence and give him as much support as we can. if it were to fail we lose what .. nothing, if he succeeds we have a lot to gain. Other people in the past have failed because they didn't have enough support to prevent big business taking them out of the game, we can't let it happen again.
and see what the results are. If Clarence can get the device to self run with a battery for two days straight
while powering a small load like a low wattage light bulb (say 15W to 25W), that should be a pretty good test. If the
battery keeps the light shining for two days straight and maintains close to a full charge throughout the two days, then
we can say that that it appears to be able to self run. A longer test can then be tried such as say one week, to confirm.
If the battery voltage drops down lower and lower over time while running, then we can say that it looks like it doesn't self run.
All the best...
I agree with you .. 'remove the resistance' assume it can be done .. even if it couldn't self-run .. wouldn't you be happy if it just halved your electricity bill .. I think Clarence is an honest guy with every intention of sharing the results of his hard work . .. this is no time to be standing on the guy's face when he is trying to drag us up off the ground. .. Let's not argue OU it doesn't matter if it is or not at this point, let's just see how much progress has actually been made and be grateful for it. Little by little we are moving forward, it often takes a while. It took ants five years to undermine my gatepost but it eventually fell down. Let's all get behind Clarence and give him as much support as we can. if it were to fail we lose what .. nothing, if he succeeds we have a lot to gain. Other people in the past have failed because they didn't have enough support to prevent big business taking them out of the game, we can't let it happen again.
And iron boats will never float. Everyone knows that.
Like i said in other occasions : testing and observation is the best way to achieve something not only wait for the gold fall to people.
Why most people only see the word overunity like a unique objective ? And improve the actual system conversion that exists ? Is not important ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUiDqaTOWg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UUiDqaTOWg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7acRk8Z6-U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7acRk8Z6-U)
I see you are experienced with such setups...Did you checked some kind of BEMF supression circuit ? I wonder if a transil or zener diode plus resistor connected in shunt to the choke coil will limit the spike generated when coil is disconnected ?
P.S. of course you are correct
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.secondYes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.
Yes-electricity is not energy,it is a potential energy source. Like you stated in your own reply,it must be converted into either heat,light,sound-->and magnetic force-eg.the electric motor.
Well it seems that i have become the bad guy here-->UFOpolotics said the same thing once.
Well this bad guy is trying to save you guys from wasted time,money and that trip up the garden path full of dead flowers.
So,i will ask only one thing from Clarence-->a test that is so simple that nothing more than a volt meter is needed.
Clarence
Can you please run your system in loop mode for say 2 hours(disconected from the grid of course)with a light load of say 50 watts-i dont even require a battery voltage reading at the start of the test. When the 2 hour run is up,place a volt meter on your battery,and remove the battery from the system. Dose the voltage on your battery drop or rise-->the test is that simple.
Clarence
I definitely do NOT need any instructions from YOU as to how to conduct tests! I am NOT your mongoloid kindergarten pet by INFINITE MILES!Indeed-->in fact,it seems the device just running is your test protocal so far :D
Your bad guy - good guy scenario pretension to SAVE THE WORLD is enough to make any intelligent person want to PUKE!No,not save the world-->just try and save people time and money on building an unworkable device. This is what i do,and i dont really care if you like it or not. Your attitude toward conducting a simple test is proof enough you intend on bleeding this nonsence device to the very end.How much of your time would be taken up by the simple test i asked you to carry out?. We see it time and time again,when crunch time come's,there is always an excuse as to why the test cant be carried out.
I will be testing and providing results as usual in about a weekI must have missed these provided test result's some where. Could you quote the post number these usual test results were provided? I remember one test where you ran the device(unloaded) for a couple of hours,and noted no change in battery voltage. Are you not aware of the tricks LAB's can play when it comes to the voltages they show?. Place your battery in the sun with a volt meter across it-->bugga me,the voltage rises-->must have inbuilt solar cells ;)
plus or minus whatever it turns out. I don't follow any clock and do other work the same as you WHICH I know you are already aware ofAs you dont sleep at all(apparently),then time shouldnt be an issue for you. I feel the plus or minus is going to be a very long time.
Void... Normal you short circuit it.
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.Void
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
@Void
Try with only 1 or 2 turns.
Hi cheors. With one turn for the secondary, the input power to the transformer measured around 250 Watts
on the inline wattmeter, and the current on the one turn secondary measured around 380 to 400 Amps.
The 4 AWG wire became very hot after about 20 seconds or so.
All the best...
Hey oldman :D
People in U.S. does not want FreeEnergyCAPTOR -want to pay for everything - to show own significance !! 8)
Don't mess them the fun !! Same is everywhere !! ;D ;D
Reg. and takecare !!
enjoykin
EnJoyKin
You keep calling Clarence an old man, You see that post hole digger he's using
to make all those holes in frozen ground, and driving eight foot 5/8 [16MM] rods
down into frozen Iowa Tundra ...I know that I'm not getting anything in this Frozen
Connecticut ground for a few more weeks.
he could probably Crack walnuts between his thumb and forefinger :o
never mind the handshake he must have [like a vise I am certain]
I'd be careful with that "Old Man" stuff.
And to be certain people here and everywhere are interested in this claim.
Very much so....
ChetKremens@gmail.com
I can feel the satisfaction of some people put dislikes in my you-tube videos since i put the link in this topic, but i open to listen about their doubts if want .
I know to some people are obvious and frustrating when the results do not appear but if people have time to put dislike ,I assume they do not agree with what I show. try to leave some comment and will be more constructive .
Thanks
@ Clarence
Back to the toroids wiring:
I understand that they are identically wired : primaries in phase and secondaries also in phase. Right ?
Theorically the output current should be null.
You get 1.3A because components are not ideal (number of turns, ferrite compound , ...)
If i forget the 10 AWG "polarizing" wire connected to one side of the secondaries.
OK or i have missed something ?
Regards
Hey nelsonrochaa !! :DHi Enjoykin,
I was watching many your videos and i think you are great researcher and smart man which think with own mind. I like your quality for sure !!
About likes and dislikes - solve the problem with easy. Just inhibit comments. Put a link/s on file/s and site/s. Will be enough. Who want to take informations he will - trolls sure will not.
Use OU-principle - Take it or leave it.
ps: people usually work like PID controllers. If the some system is lot sensitive to feedback - they will do everything to make the system out of work. Simple your reactions are feedback for them. Solver is simple: take control over the feedback and filter all like PID controllers do. :D
Reg.
Enjoykin
Clarence
take ALL of the theoretical ideas in your head -rip them out-andThats tha ticket-throw out all common sense before continuing with this project :D
set them aside for awhile or they will just keep defeating you.
like I told void, you get TWO feritte toroids with primaries only and then YOU wind the secondaries as I have shown in photos I haveAnd so it begin's-->Yes-go spend your money,and use your time to build a device that the inventor refuses to explain or show working until you do so.This is where you throw out common sense-->this is where you pay for your new car before you even know if it runs or not-->even the salesman refuses to start it for you.
posted before, exactly as shown ( stop trying to guess about something), and then connect them exactly as have SAID to do it and then
post a photo of your completed CAPTOR LOOP assembly and THEN I will explain in detail WHY it works AND HOW it works......but
NOT until you do YOUR PART!!!!
the first one that completes the simple Captor loop set up and sends an ACTUAL photo of it completed will get to be LEADER OF THE PACKThis is where the leader of the pack must know he has the rest of the sheep following him,and doing what he says before you get to eat that nice green grass in the next paddock.
and I already KNOW they are going to be Spitting out result values like pennies because they have tried it!!!Well i dont know about spitting out result's,but you will certainly be saying goodbye to some pennies.
My advise is to also get one of the KILL-A-WATT meters to put in between the mains and the primaries of the toroids.You will also need a hydrometer to measure the pacific gravity value in your battery,as the most accurate and direct way to test the state of charge of a battery cell is to determine the specific gravity of the battery electrolyte,as floating voltage of a battery is no measure of stored energy within that battery.
they are SO easy to use to see what you are doing. just a FINGER TOUCH ACTION. delightful!
..
he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground.No point in planting potato's that wont grow. First let's see the crop grow before we go planting some more.
you have to build on foundationsWhat foundations?. That is what we want to see first-solid foundations on which to build on.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done. .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chancesWhy dose anyone have to take chance when Clarence could quite easly remove all doubt of unwarranted chances-->remember,this is people's money and time you are playing with here.
and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything.And this is what we are trying to avoid-undue mistakes.
Clarence isn't forcing anyone,Really?. He is saying-->spend money and time first,then i will tell you how it work's. So you are forced to build first if you want any answers as to how(and if) it works.
if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.And as we have seen time and time again,there are those that actually win the lotto-->it's not a maybe or unknown,it is a fact.
what you need to understand, and young people often don't, Clarence is a wise old man, I also am an old man .. he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground. you have to build on foundations, it also sorts out those who will commit themselves from the 'here today gone tomorrow' guys. .. There are lots of young kids out there talking hot rods, fuel injection and nitrous and they don't now how to change a fuel pump .. it's just time wasting and the older we get the less time we have to waste.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done. .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances .. and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything. Clarence isn't forcing anyone, if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.
Hi void , i test with only transformer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ob1GY6dXs
hi Tinman .. what you say is quite true, the arguments you put forward are perfectly valid I don't have a problem with that. I think Clarence wants to start with a blank sheet of paper. Often the things we have already been taught and preconceived ideas get in the way of our following simple instructions. Do you remember when you first started working with computers? for me it was the early 1970's, remember how illogical much of it seemed to be, and 'Logic' .. it took me a while to get my head round that, I thought it all seemed totally illogical. young children learn fast because they know nothing, they take what they are given and accept it, it's the fastest way forward at that time in their development. .. ... I think Clarence wants us to start with a blank sheet and put to one side what we already know because it will get in the way of achieving the objective, it's his game, he makes the rules, we decide if we want to play.I agree-not all what we are taught are correct. But there comes a time when you will come across devices that are nothing out of the ordinary-->and this device fits that bill. Would you really buy a car without first seeing it run,and taking it for a test drive?. And why oh why is it a must that ferrite cores are used in sted of laminated steel cores at these low frequencies. Infact,steel laminated cores would be far better in this situation and at these low frequencies--Clarence will not even provide a reason for having to use ferrite cored transformers.It is things like this that should start the alarm bells ringing. I have tested steel laminated and ferrite toroid transformers of the same size side by side up to 7.5KHz,and the steel ones win hands down up until that frequency--so why the ferrite insistance?.
What he is proposing to start with costs just a little but will provide the 'hands-on' understanding for what is to come. If we already understood what he wants us to know we would be doing it instead of talking about it. I include myself in this .. we are all guilty at some time of not seeing the elephant in the room. Just like you I am putting forward the other side of the argument. Let everyone choose which path to take maybe one of them will be good, nothing ventured nothing gained, good luck to all.
i am an old man too.
Hello everyone :)
Run out from the maze is simple. Buy ticket to Iowa and check device from the first hand.
The TRUTH will show herself.
Reg,Enjoykin
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown. :)
All the best...
try looking!
all the best!
Clarence
Hi Clarence. Thanks, but I don't see any transformer in that photo you posted.
Does anyone have a link to a video or photo that shows how the secondary on the B&L single transformer
arrangement is wound? I have an idea of how this might have been done, but I wonder if there are
any photos or videos that show any of B&L's transformers and their winding arrangement at all?
All the best...
LOOK AGAIN!
this is the unit that was covered by the plastic in my previous post!
Clarence
If it will run my household necessities for a day or two before it runs down that 1 battery, well that would be just fine with me.
I don't care if this gizmo won't run 24/7 at 100% non stop. Nothing made by man will do that.My clock on the wall runs 24/7 at 100%,and thats man made.
Mack
Hi Clarence. OK, I see that Ariovaldo apparently did some tests with an actual B&L single transformer device.
I don't know why you couldn't have just said that. ;)
I will go back and read through Ariovaldo's posts here when I get a chance and review what he was able to
find out in his tests.
P.S. It looks like Ariovaldo could not get the device to work and came to the conclusion that the device was
most likely a scam? Ariovaldo, are you out there?
All the best...
ps @Void: Before make own conclusions - first do clear experiments with all initial condicions settled. Make short circuit with two wire everybody can do including kids.
This job need Clear Head, Sharp Mind , lack of emotions of anykind. And need systematic research not jumping ahead from one fake schematic to another.
These are very simple and objective rules. Take it or leave it. We need here constructive dialog not playing football game and fault starts.
Reg,Enjoykin
Crikey. :o It often reminds me of the movie 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' in these forums... ;)
Crikey be constructive like I am !! :D
Enjoykin, spamming various threads here with all sorts of nonsense without having any idea
what you are talking about is not at all constructive. ;)
All the best...
OK folks - let's go from the begining
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
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hi .. the device (arrowed) pointed to in the diagram you posted was refered to in the B&L patent description as the 'magnetic pulse generator' and as far as I can see serves the same purpose as the spark gap used in other devices. this appears to be used to set the circuit frequency, this seems to be important, I have seen demonstrations of coils being tuned electronically to their optimum frequency to reach maximum potential, Kapanadze did this by adjusting the length of wire/ number of turns on the coils. for the high tech approach to tuning, frequency, and coils I think you need to search for Akula .. (if I remember correctly) I would need to search my library. sk
TinmanCould you elaborate just a bit on what sort of battery charger you have that needs not electrical or mechanical input? Maybe that slipped by others here but that sounds of considerable interest and while it may or may not be on topic if what you have is of interest we can start a separate message thread.
non-stop = forever.
@all
Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.
I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
Tinman
non-stop = forever.
@all
Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.
I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
Void - Why do you think I am spamming?.
Hi Void !!
Thank you for replay. :D
If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!
Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.
Let's rotate viewing perspective.
What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.
Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.
That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!
Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.
I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems and start device working - if he didn't sold it.
Thank you
Enjoykin
who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !!
Milehigh: You come into this thread dismissing it . Yet you admit you haven't read it all.
That's just damned disrespectful and dishonest.
Hi ,
Enjoykin i left my opinion about the spark gap subject , and the subject of toroidal transformer without the hv coil secondary.
The transformer toroid should have only the original primary in my case is 230v 50hz only the main primary.
about the "spark gap" :
Surge protector mechanism act like a pulse or spark gap. the effect can be achieved with diodes too.
This discharge will do the work of pulsing .
See :
Primary coil generate a pulse of voltage higher then source , so the surge protector discharge to ground. but we have a small coil around the closed loop that go to ground in series with load . This will generate a reversed high voltage because secondary is low turns so the induced voltage in primary will be very high, and the surge protector will discharge the excess again .
And the process will be repeat. but this is not a overunity is only a more efficiency process .
The closed loop is only to maintain the core of thyroidal transformer saturated. This is a MAG with feedback. Or saturable reactor with feedback.
Thanks
Well since were all throwing junk together-->here is the Tesla reactor. :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVffZOnerUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVffZOnerUk)
I am interested in this thread from the point of view of current amplification.
ie current transformers.
If the Don Smith devices work with HV why not with HA ie High amps.
Nice junk yard project Tinman, complete with your unique brand of humour. :) Given that you've labelled it as a Tesla reactor, as opposed to a normal reactor, now wait for the 'is it overunity' questions! ;DHey,the OU bit is comeing for sure lol.
Hey,the OU bit is comeing for sure lol.
Here is the second video,and we have moved a bit of bedini in there now. We are also running on batteries,and now ready for the big loop system setup. :D Note how the run battery voltage has climbed,even though we are drawing power from it,and not returning any ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPJXqUFD4o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWPJXqUFD4o)
Well... that's impressive! You've got nearly all the requirements for an electrical OU device: A maze of colored clipleads, a handful of DMMs, and of course.... batteries !!The bulbs are comeing TK,and LED's at that :P
But where are the light bulbs? Gotta have light bulbs.
SSsssoo
I get the feeling that Clarence may have left the building, I surely hope this is NOT the case,
however I would greatly appreciate it if those who are not interested in replicating or experimenting would allow those who are interested to continue .
To whom it may concern
next time a commercial comes on during your SpongeBob Squarepants show go visit another thread....
Please leave this one alone.
thx
Chet
Chetkremens@gmail.com
Morris allegedly injected the victim with a combination of cement, mineral oil, Fix-a-Flat tire sealant and super glue, then sealed the incision with more super glue, police said.
Most of EM theory and the books written on it are worthless paperweights.
Chet:
If Clarence is real he will do just what you are hoping for. But, if he presents amateurish junk data then that should be stated by someone. Don't blame me for "scaring him away" either. I believe he claims he is a 77-year-old grown man, correct?
BringDown:
I can only assume that you are stating that from a position of ignorance. Your computer, your cellphone, and your multi-megabit home wireless network, and your 19-megabit per second over-the-air local digital television stations are all working just fine, correct?
MileHigh
Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ? :)
[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ? :)
[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8)
This joule thief works much better when the ferrite core is shorted with a wire - a magnet or a capacitor. I adjust the trim capacitor for the best resonance.
First, that is no where near "10 times more light' as claimed. Second...what is so special about what he is doing? He is using a variable air cap and is changing the capacitance of his circuit. His inductor was changed by the addition of the magnets to the ferrite. (We all did this 7 years ago in the JT topic) Then he added a ceramic cap to the inductor. Where is the short?
Let me know when he can light 400 leds from his single AA battery like I did 7 years ago, and then we can talk. Every one of my 400 leds were brighter than his "10 times brighter" leds
Bill
MileHigh,
Sorry mate but the computer, cellphone and the wireless networks are worthless heaters and you know it. Don't know if you know how they work or if you are claiming that it is the only way to work with electric circuits but you should take another good look at the claims in the books.
Well, it's hard to state exactly why when just looking at that clip because there are no scope traces to be found.
The guy says this:
He says "better" meaning "brighter." Notice that he doesn't even discuss the fact that the draw from the battery has increased. He says "best resonance" but the problem is that a Joule Thief doesn't even resonate.
A possible short answer is that the effective inductance of the toroidal transformer is reduced a lot, causing higher frequency operation and increased current draw from the battery. But without a proper bench analysis you are flying blind. However, without some kind of agreed upon metric like Lumens per watt of power draw, "better" is not even defined.
It's very hard to respond to that. I don't think you think that your computer or cellphone are useless heaters.
What is your level of exposure to "the claims in the books?"
Take another good look inside your computer and let me know if you think its the best electrical circuit because it ain't. If you cannot understand why the fan is needed and how it relates to EM theory then I think you are not worth teaching anyways.
I know from experience that I am probably wasting my time stating this, but the topic of discussion here in this thread is about B&L devices...
There once was a time long before the advent of the internet that common courtesy was, well, somewhat common.
Not so much any more it seems... ;)
All the best...
That's fake drama in my opinion. The B&L claim is more than a year old. Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps the only thing that Clarence's claim had is in common with B&L's claim is the alleged requirement for a ground connection. By some force of magic the ground is supposed to "supply the electrons to power the device."
Threads can't possibly stay on topic for something like a year and a half. They wander around, especially if no great proof or demo happens after the original claim.
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.
One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
MileHigh,
Before you claim its some form of magic, you'll need to have basic understanding of what is going on in the circuit. I'm afraid you don't cut it.
Can you link to a schematic and a description of how the circuit allegedly works? Alternatively, a link to a schematic and your description of how the circuit allegedly works.
I would have thought you knew how it allegedly works. It's not the biggest mystery in the world come to think of it.
The thread is 86 pages and I would not be surprised if in the last 15 pages a dozen different circuits have been discussed. So I am requesting a link. You did not address the issue of an explanation for how it allegedly works.
Actually it is one of the biggest mysteries in the world. Hundreds and hundreds of claims of excess energy based on various types of electronic circuits, and no definitive proof that any claim is true based on serious testing and measurements done by multiple impartial third parties. Heck, almost all the time the claimant doesn't even present credible data.
He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input.Where?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.
What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
Hi Clarence!Like i said a few pages back.
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
Here is the same crap we hear all the time.QuoteClarence asked you for nothing
Clarence has given no proof other than--trust me,it works,it's a self runner. You will go and buy the parts i specify,and build if you want to know how it works -->then i will tell you how it works.<---These are his words.Quotesome of you guys sitting around chewing the fat with the intention perhaps of trying to make someone look bad? .. first comes the ridicule, then the denial and afterwards the acceptence ..
Some one looks bad when they claim to have a self runner,and ask that others buy and build before he show's and tells you how it works.QuoteMaybe it was just his lucky day but eventually got it to work. It is still his aim to replicate the device, 'proof of concept' but ignoring the 'smoke and mirrors trcks'
Where is this working device?-->we have seen nothing working at all that shows a self runner.
Why dose he have to replicate his own !self running! device?.QuoteWhat Clarence said is that if anyone wants to copy what he has built he is prepared to share what he has learned and help them to do this, however he doesn't have time for 'bullshit'
Bullshit is making claim to a self runner,and asking people to spend money and time on building it before he shows a working prototype-->thats bullshit right there.Quoteif you don't want to do it don't .. this is not some 'computer check-up scam' where you have to hand over your credit card details then claim back your money .. HE ASKED YOU FOR NOTHING ..
He has claimed a self runner,and he has asked you to build it before he backs up his claim.This build will cost you money. Sure ,it's your choice to spend the money to build it,but you will be doing so under faulse claim's.QuoteWhile some of you here are sitting around bad mouthing he's gone off to get the job done ... there are those who do and those who don't.[/quote]
And those that know better,and are only trying to save others money and time.QuoteIf you don't agree with what he says, if you have a different opinion fine but what has been going on here is not so very different to trolling.
Since when has asking for proof of a claimed self runner been trolling?.QuoteThere are many of us here who want to see this project carried through to the end. If you just look around at previous projects which have been successful they all have one thing in common .. they were bought up by big money to deny the people access,
Biggest load of horse shit i have ever heard. Please show just one device that was a self runner that was bought up by big money. just like the rest that make this claim over and over,you will not present one device,as there has been no OU/self running devices bought by any one,because one has never been made.Quotehere you have an opportunity to share in something, maybe before it too disappears.
The self running device wont disappear,as there isnt one. But Clarence will do a runner any time now__>that will be the only self runner you see on this thread.QuoteWhat we should say is good luck to all of those who try, what they do they do for us.
Good luck ;)
Where?
Here is his data on the device from the link you provided.
Quote:-->I attached the new block schematic of my improved unit.
It will remain in this form for a long time As it is very simple! It has way less components and is therefore more cost effective!
It also Has produced a unit that IS SELF POWERING!!!!!
Quote:-->I will get into the self powering aspect later also. for now just KNOW THAT IT IS VALID!
I suspect the !gettin into the self powered bit later will be much much later ::)
Where is this data you keep speaking off?-->that is all we want from Clarence,not his house or car-->just some reliable data.
Please show passive OU device.
Tinsel also said that Arivaldo's unit did not work..I was told he purchased it knowing it was "broken"
and chose to disassemble it for investigation.
There are two types of people: Those who encourage and those who discourage.
The title of this site is overunity.
Those who do not like it should find another site, instead of annoying people here.
We are all big boys on this site and know that we do things at our own risk -
and we do not need baby sitters.
Certain members have come on to this site dismissing it without even bothering to find
what is going on. That is just disrespectful.
Clarence: Why don't you just pm the good guys with your results. It's easy enough.
That way we get away from the garbage on this thread.
MH, This is the Clarence circuit you were looking for?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.
He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input. What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810)
What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.
Well, I looked through all of Clarence's postings. Does anybody remember IST? This guy has some shades of IST in his presentation. On this thread, he is like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips, playing his ukulele and teasing you all with impish delight and a twinkle in his eye. Technically, he is not credible, period. You are supposed to sink something between 40 and 60 ground rods over a large area of your back yard, bury the return wires, and throw in some batteries and inverters and toroidal transformers and get free energy power like that? Give yourselves a break.
Is he hiding? Here is one possible explanation: He posts his follow-up post as promised, and he gets some questions from myself and others that he simply can't answer properly. He knows that he won't get away with playing any more Tiny Tim games. The illusion is broken and he doesn't get his kicks anymore doing this. Does he even have a scope?
Or, if he has been posting for four months, talking all about his system and making promises of really delivering the results and data this week, what is stopping him from going forward? If he really believes in his results and data, why should anybody stop him? Why should text on a screen from another person stop him? Really, if you claim that you have what you say you have, why should anybody's comments stop you? You should be able to respond to all questions about your alleged system with confidence and also have the data to back up your confidence. There is no valid reason for you to not continue with your claims if you are real.
my supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.
The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.
This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.
Void:
Thank you for the summation. That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings. However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.
This is a quote from Clarence:
120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts. Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?" My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.
MileHigh
Yes, Clarence is using 300VA power toroids, so that is what the 300 stands for in the product code for his toroids.
All the best...
The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage. The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential. So where do you get the much-needed voltage? You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box. The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points. No (potential + loop) and you have got squat. The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else. That somewhere else also has to have a ground return. That is the reality that you have o work with.
And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself. Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.
Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device.
A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.
Here is a different kind of heat pump: You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy. You switch the power on for the electric motor. The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off. You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.
Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?
This is (always) putting the cart before the horse. There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work. Real life doesn't work like that. You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.
In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement. Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.
the plot thickens
In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk. Very similar to Tito. It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.
I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens. The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts. I realize that for one at least English is not his first language. Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics. Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works. The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself." It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.
So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills. It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd. If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this. How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.
There are a lot of flakes on this forum. I know for a fact some of these are paid agents for globalist zionist cartels. One of the earliest paid agents was the flake called Einstein.Oh here we go.
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies. Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared. Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions. Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon. Done with this nonsense.
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while. As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum. Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off. In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore. Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test. I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on). Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old. He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage. This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies. Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared. Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions. Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon. Done with this nonsense.
Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it, regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load.
All the best...
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it, regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load.
All the best...
On the technical level, anybody have any comments about my comments on the simplified schematic from Clarence? Have you been looking at that diagram for weeks or perhaps even months and nobody commented that the sine wave inverter is connected directly to the smart battery charger? If nobody mentioned this then what does that say?
You guys have been "talking tech" about this for months, anybody have anything to say?
"The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking." no, the only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is because it does not exist in the sense of 'multiplication, amplification or creation of energy'.
Not that we need it in the first place: look up Thorium and liquid fuel reactors, a.k.a. LFTR.
There is no shortage of energy as such; only specific forms in specific places.
Clarence has not demonstrated anything; so far claims, nonsensical schematics and vague statements.
There is a chance that he (or others) will hurt themselves by poor practices.
To me it is amazing how easily and quickly people will believe claims and videos. Are they that desperate? Is their inner insecurity that bad? To me the energy companies are no different than any other business: selling a product or service while making a profit. If they commit illegal acts while doing so, they should be held accountable.
Lighten up, this site is entertainment, nothing less, nothing more.
My question is still valid: secondaries are in phase but primaries are or are not ?
-First case: no secondary current
- second case : infinite current (theory)
Hi cheors. If wistiti swaps the connections around the other way on the secondaries and the current
on the secondaries goes way down to around 1.3 Amps or so with no load, then that should be right according
to Clarence's comments. Clarence has described the way he set up the transformer connections
in the following post if you want more details. You can also look at the pictures that Clarence posted
previously of his device to help sort out the windings, if you are still not sure.
Clarence's description of his transformer wiring connections:
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg445001/#msg445001
All the best..
Mile High: No one denies your right to an opinion.
However, there is also something called common courtesy.
If someone is having a good attempt at a replication then they should be encouraged,
even if they fail. After all no-one has made a serious attempt at replicating Barbosa and Leal before.
Free speech does not include the right to insult someone.
If someone insulted your family you would not like it.
This is a forum for adults, not people behaving like immature children.
as a result of my experiences in life I chose not to speculate or assume and I always treat a man as if we were sitting at the same table.
I do regret the comments and they could have been stated in a better way. I suppose it was partially due to a sense of righteous indignation. However, one year from now when this goes nowhere and chances are Clarence will be forgotten, you can thank me for at least being 100% correct about this situation. Just like I have been right before.
MileHigh, you obviously see yourself as some sort of great savior coming to all the lowly stupid
people's rescue, and saving them from their own folly with your great and superior intellect. ;D In actuality
much of the things you are saying are very obvious, and as I have mentioned, even a child could see through
your false reasoning and extremely simplistic point of view. Give it a rest already. I think most reasonable
people already know that the chances are that any given claimed over unity device will probably not
work as claimed. You may think that is a great revelation, but it is just very obvious stuff. Of course even
a child will realize that this doesn't mean that over unity is necessarily impossible. ;) Some of the devices
out there may possibly work as claimed.
Some people just enjoy investigating and experimenting with such things as a hobby, and we certainly don't
need a delusional megalomaniac like yourself going on and on about how much smarter you think you
are than everyone else, when in reality all you are doing is just proselytizing your blind belief that all
over unity is impossible. ;) That is about the furthest from a scientific approach that a person can get.
I blame the latest insanity here on the recent very strong full moon. That is about the only way
a person can explain yours and a few others very irrational behavior here. ;)
Mile High: If you have a system which legally reduces your power bills by 80%You need to go and reread the post.
then I and I am sure many others would like more details please.If Clarence has discovered the same thing then it is surely a vindication of his work.
He may not exactly understand how. But he certainly has achieved something.
He may not exactly understand how. But he certainly has achieved something.
Hi ramset. That is exactly it. MileHigh most certainly wouldn't be behaving the way he is behaving if he wasn't
hiding behind his internet account. ;)
All the best...
"The only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is not looking." no, the only thing preventing anyone from achieving free energy is because it does not exist in the sense of 'multiplication, amplification or creation of energy'.
Not that we need it in the first place: look up Thorium and liquid fuel reactors, a.k.a. LFTR.
There is no shortage of energy as such; only specific forms in specific places.
Clarence has not demonstrated anything; so far claims, nonsensical schematics and vague statements.
There is a chance that he (or others) will hurt themselves by poor practices.
To me it is amazing how easily and quickly people will believe claims and videos. Are they that desperate? Is their inner insecurity that bad? To me the energy companies are no different than any other business: selling a product or service while making a profit. If they commit illegal acts while doing so, they should be held accountable.
Lighten up, this site is entertainment, nothing less, nothing more.
Oh here we go.
Are you brave enough to name those who you believe-sorry,know for fact are paid agent's for the global zoinist cartels lol-or are you just all talk?.
Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic. I marked it up and attached it.
Look, I see this:
Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.
The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.
I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter.
The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger. The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away. This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.
It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you. That sounds like something you would say to me, no?
MileHigh
Void:I have no problem with someone calling for data to support a claim. I really enjoy the way that Gyula & Mags do this. They are polite and in my experience try to point out potential measuremnet errors without being arrogant or disdainful or abusive. Not pointing fingers! I just think we lose a lot of constructive discussion here as so many threads end up in abuse on all sides. I guess it would be nice if we could just be respectful of each other and avoid feeding any troll like behaviour.
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby. I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that. What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so.
Bill
Hey, Did you figure out the magnet is causing the oscillation? Change the magnet and you'll get another frequency. Here's your chance to change the title of the video from 'unknown source' and actually do something useful ;DLol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.
Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.
Lol-no,incorrect-->but who am i to spoil your fun.
Lol,you get a big induction heater,as one person here that has built the wonder transformer found out lol.
Void:
I would agree with your posting about some folks here just want to experiment as a hobby. I do not recall any posts of MH calling anyone down for doing that. What gets folks like him, TK, MarkE, myself, and many others perturbed is when someone makes a claim of self-running, O.U., free energy, etc with no basis for doing so. Then, when someone asks for some data, or dare I say "proof' of these claims, the insults start flying. Your hobbyist experimenter is now really put out that anyone might dare ask for such a thing. So put out, in fact, that they pack up their marbles and go home. Then, others claim that world would now have free energy if only such a question were not asked. The inquisitor is now blamed for depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
I have seen this happen waaaay to many times here...following exactly the script as written above.
Void:
So do you now feel empowered with some sort of license to bash me? Does it make you feel good? Should Chet check you and explain the error of your ways? Those are just rhetorical questions.
I can't find the hatchet anywhere.....?
But we gotta bury something around here ??
maybe a few ground rods? :o
Void
maybe we can draw a line in the sand and move forward....
Tooo much nasty been floating around ,...while I have seen much worse
its time to turn the page .
PLEASE ??
lets prepare a feast for Clarence the Great ...?
FESTIVAS...
for his return !!
Typical very dishonest response. You come in insulting and making all sorts of arrogant and condescending
statements, and when someone points it out and asks you to stop, you claim you are just so innocent and
are being unjustly attacked. Sorry, but you are not fooling anyone except the foolish.
Connect a shorted coil across a toroid and see for yourself. If you cannot understand the basics you won't be taken seriously.
Hey, if you want to be a bunch of grown men led around by somebody that clearly and plain-as-day doesn't know what he is talking about, then that's your choice.
But the stark reality was pointed out to you and you can take it or leave it. It's not being arrogant or condescending on my part, I am just telling you the truth,
even if it is a bit harsh.
MileHigh
Your comment is laughable Bringdown. You have tried a few times to pretend that I don't know anything. The problem is that I have been around for a long time and my "technical street cred" is fully established.
You have nothing to show yet again. You are talking about a device which you know nothing about. What a waste of time you are. It's a good thing Clarence is not responding to your questions.
Are you going to go ahead and make a replication? If you do, can you measure the five power flows under different loading conditions as per my marked-up schematic? Start with a fully recharged battery in each case. You can expect shorter run times as the power draw from the load increases.
FYI, all the necessary readings and loading conditions have already been completed by Clarence and posted on these pages.
The latest re-discovery of the Emme patent is a case in point.
Here is an earth/chemical battery which produces 3 kw.
The funny thing about it is that it needs less and less chemical input as time goes on and the current lasts longer and longer.
It's in the latest update of Patrick Kelly's book and I alerted him to it after a posting on this site.
Mr.King
I believe we are about to turn a page in history....
Chet K
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.Yeah, you have to be careful at those frequencies.
OK,so some of you think im all against what is being presented here by Clarence. Well the fact is,i am not against the idea,im against there being claims made without proof to back it up.
Anyway (MH lol)-seems that this device needs only a ground wire(thats ground,not neutral from home grid)to work. How ? i dont know yet,but i will work it out soon.
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHhgYW3GDI
Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense.
All the best...
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.
OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than any other reported incident.
You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel :P]....
we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.
And here is the Wizard from Oz [TinMan] and his new movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4
for those who may not be familiar with David Bowlings charger, ...[has a thread here somewhere
and over at Aarons place] I want to say Turion[energetic handle]???? not certain at this moment
trying to finish a motor job and three other tasks ATM...
Mr.King
Ohh How I would Love to give that Tito a nice Big Squeeeeze .something like this >> :o <<
However.. we shall see...?
I'm fairly sure that when myself or others like Tinsel post about and show the details of potentially lethal devices we always warn of the danger and even warn each other of dangers that may go unnoticed.
I'll say again that bypassing the RCD as has been done in order to replicate the Barbosa and Leal device is very dangerous and illegal, at least in Australia it is. Doing that endangers everybody who uses electrical appliances at that address.
@Farmhand
So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.
Overunity is impossible. Free energy is possible. The energy must come from somewhere. We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy, and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy. That is a good goal and why I am here.
@Farmhand
My thoughts are that danger is relative and there is always a price to be paid for progress... it is not free nor is it easy. What I find very dangerous and almost painful to watch is complacency and unjustified fear mongering because the fact remains that if your not making mistakes you are not learning nor are you making progress. You know I could debate almost anything with anyone on any level but sometimes their is pure genius in absolute simplicity. My friend had one such thought which had profound meaning for me early on when he said... God hates a coward. Which was in fact odd because he was in no way a religious person and yet there it was. If you are not willing to put yourself out there and accept the risks then you will never truly succeed at anything in my opinion.
Make no mistake that I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know in this field of technology and I have paid a very great price for it. It is not free, it is not easy nor is it safe or all that productive in many cases but it was always worth the risk so many might benefit from what I have learned.
So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.
So I will tell you something which may actually save your life at some point which Nikola Tesla explained in his lectures. Keep one hand in your pocket and you know why and never touch any connection with your hands only pliers rated above the voltage you are working with. No offense but I make more hot connections in a month than most have done in their life, not a problem , not an issue, it is normal for me even if it isn't for you. It's about common sense and I consider every circuit in the same respect as a gun, I assume it's always loaded and treat it as such because assumptions kill people.
So I understand your point however unless people start putting there unjustified fears of the unknown aside were screwed... do you understand that my friend?. We must make progress and many will pay a great price for this progress while cowards sit back afraid of the risks involved. Me I'm not that kind of person, I know the risks and I have no problem with it because it was never about me it is about you and our children's future. So man up, grow a set of balls and getter done because if there is a god i'm pretty sure he/she/it does hate cowards.
AC
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.
One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)
But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...
Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)
Overunity is impossible. Free energy is possible. The energy must come from somewhere.
We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy,
and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy. That is a good goal and why I am here.
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.
OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than any other reported incident.
You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel :P ]....
we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.
Hey Bill
Have you ever seen a grown man naked billy? (from the parody airplane) ... err wrong question... have you ever said something and in retrospect been in awe of our own words which we didn't really understand at the time they were spoken?.
What is free energy when all energy is inherently free?, at which point we might ask who owns it if we must reduce energy to the petty quite human construct of money?, does someone own the Sun?... well no that is absurd and yet all life and for the most part energy does relate to our Sun which is in fact a star. So what is Energy really?.Well if we had no Sun, our star, then there would be no life on Earth and it would be a cold,dark.dead planet so life may relate to proximity to Energy in the form of a star.
It is a strange thing Energy?, I mean I have spoken with hundreds of people about Energy but when I ask them what it is they wreak of fear because they have no conception of what it is fundamentally. Personally I have found it is easier to simply do away with this faulty construct which was never actually understood by anyone. Energy is in everything everywhere in every space we know of thus it is the norm not the exception to some misguided rule by people who obviously do not understand what it is. There s no overunity nor is there free energy bound to the misguided construct of trade relating to money. The universe outside this delusional little planet we call Earth has no conception of the construct of value, trade nor money thus the term "free" has no weight.
Thus in the big picture one can only conclude... were all screwed up. Delusional petty little beings clinging to faulty beliefs so we don't have to deal with the truth that were just another backwater planet revolving around a slowly dying star. But were so much more than that aren't we?, all the hoopla and grandeur of people with an IQ about the same as there shoe size as we screw away our children's future.... we will simply adapt to the result of our own stupidity.
Me I want to opt out of the human race, I digress, I give up because we are a losing proposition. It has literally nothing to do with Energy because even if it was free we would find some way to screw it up. It will require a drastic change in perspective, a change in the way we see our place in this universe. It is like asking a psychopath to change their wicked ways when they have no inclination to do so. Free energy is not our salvation when it still amounts to giving a retard a loaded gun. It is what it is any way you want to spin it in my opinion.
AC
The busy with lights wizard is going to have a rigor mortis when he finds out thousands of people have already shown a load/no-load watt meter reading.JR member-your an idiot.
Note to self: May be too much for Mr.Wizard to understand this when he cannot make out between a captor and transformer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...
At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.
My standard battery charge put in 4 amp's @ 13.4 volts-and no bang. So 2 watts in isnt going to make fire works,i wouldnt think. :D
Tinsel
yes some get a chance to have life experience ..and others don't get the privilege of growing old.
Myself being trained in Aircraft [Just one of "your" many skills] playing next to a screaming prop
winging by your ears ,,,well you pick up a certain mind set ,or ...?
so you do have that edge..
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respectfully
Chet
All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.I would expect the RCD to trip,or just to have an open circuit.
What happens if your capacitor or bridge rectifier fails shorted?
quote from MileHigh:
"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement. It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from. We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms."
end quote.
Then perhaps you can explain where the "extra" energy comes from, when a magnet is passed by a coil.
As it's Not "coming" from the coil, nor from the magnet. So, how can that magnetic flow be measured, to prove where the endless magnetic flux is coming from?
As magnetic current is also the cause of electricity, or/and electric current, to begin with.
So, please explain your thoughts on the real source of magnetic current or magnetic energy, which can also light high wattage bulbs, without being dangerous, nor being "hot electricity".
JR member-your an idiot.
You have no idea as to what myself and others have been doing with this circuit.
The captor is rubbish-it's a nothing transformer. When you build one and show me the wonders hidden within,then maybe i will start to take note of your dribble. Until then cupcake,put up or shut up.
Tinwizard, For all the noise you make you haven't realized Clarence has already shown a working build of the captor simple and straighforward. It's your colossal ignorance that is preventing you from anything of substance. Keep tinkering with your tinker toys and let others like Clarence work on real meaningful projects.
You look like you've lost grip on reality with your transformer crackpottery and misdirections about the captor.
Don't get so upset when others ask you for data slowpoke.
Just for the record: Clarence may or may not have something meaningful, but he never showed it.
I strongly suggest that you learn some elementary electronics, as you don't have a good grip on the subject.
EVERYTHING you see and use in this world was designed and manufactured by people who understand what they are doing; not ONE product exists that uses longitudinal waves, quantum fields, Bedini/Lindemann principles or other esoteric ideas.
void, you are using the terms 'energy' and 'power' as though they are the same: they are not.
I'm assuming you know elementary electronics. If you can, name me electronics reference that predicts the values of this setup. I don't have to tell you it's a simple device.
Tinwizard, For all the noise you make you haven't realized Clarence has already shown a working build of the captor simple and straighforward. It's your colossal ignorance that is preventing you from anything of substance. Keep tinkering with your tinker toys and let others like Clarence work on real meaningful projects.Junior
You look like you've lost grip on reality with your transformer crackpottery and misdirections about the captor.
Don't get so upset when others ask you for data slowpoke.
Please explain how Clarence's 'simple' device works in your own words. I am not asking for one or two sentences. If you claim that it's all so obvious and so simple, then please give us a detailed four or five paragraph explanation for how it allegedly actually works. No links or big quotes please, just explain how it works in your own words.MH
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...
Heh.. I used to run the test cells at a major overhaul facility. You know you're alive all right, when you are adjusting the fuel injection pump on a 6-cylinder Continental on the test stand, running a six-foot propeller at 2300 RPM inches away from your head and hands....
Likewise, if two months ago you said to Clarence , "Please tell us the change in resistance between the two grounds as you add more posts, but please don't use the multimeter because it was not really designed for this," I think that would have stumped him.
Still waiting for Mr. Bringdown to share his wisdom with us and explain how the circuit works.
MileHigh
What interests me about the Clarence experiment is the possibility of creating Telluric currents.
Ionic flow underground is a much under researched area.
The forerunners like Stubblefield and their technology has been lost in the mists of time.
Quote from: tinman on April 04, 2015, 03:35:59 AM
I have removed the captor loop transformer from the circuit,so as you can see a little more clearly what you have. As you can see,the ground rods are nothing more than a resistor on the neutral side. The more ground rods you add,the more you decrease the resistance-the more power avaliable to complete the loop.
WHAT A SAD SAD JOKE!!!!
Clarence
You did good Clarence. The ground is not a resistance as it's made out to be by people who have little grasp on reality. The earth as resonant cavity with is well know to people who actually do work on this. Tesla demonstrated this in his lectures all over the planet and was using it in his transmission of electricity through the earth.
First chance to bring up the Schumann resonance and away we go!
I swear to God, the Schumann resonance is the most misunderstood dirty mirror in space.
Zog Beater
yes please do, I will go after you...
Ramset, What's that ?
Clarence has shown it works. It will not be necessary to prove it.
Clarence has shown it works.
Are you deaf? Or, I suppose I should ask...can you read?
Bill
PS How has Clarence "shown" that it works without "proving' it? This makes no sense at all.
Ramset, What was that again ?
Clarence has provided the details of the setup if you need it and shown it to people with picturesSo now pictures = proof of a working device lol.
Please explain how Clarence's 'simple' device works in your own words. I am not asking for one or two sentences. If you claim that it's all so obvious and so simple, then please give us a detailed four or five paragraph explanation for how it allegedly actually works. No links or big quotes please, just explain how it works in your own words.
So now pictures = proof of a working device lol.
The palava runs deep within you junior.
When do we get to see the proof you keep saying was shown?
And can you answer MH question?-->not a hope in hell.
Well I can confirm that using a mutimeter on Ohms setting is not an accurate way to measure the resistance between two ground rods or arrays. And I'm fairly sure I know why because I've tried it and the reason became obvious to me very quickly. :)No-you cant just use a DMM to measure resistance between two ground rod's,as the earth between the two ground rods will also have capacitance-much the same as a HHO cell. Your two ground rods act like the plates in a capacitor,and the earth as the dielectric.
I'll leave it at that. If someone asks I'll explain what I think and we can then see if the trained guys agree with me. I would prefer either bringdown or Clarence to say why though.
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No-you cant just use a DMM to measure resistance between two ground rod's,as the earth between the two ground rods will also have capacitance-much the same as a HHO cell. Your two ground rods act like the plates in a capacitor,and the earth as the dielectric.
http://cgiss.boisestate.edu/~billc/dielec.html (http://cgiss.boisestate.edu/~billc/dielec.html).
You can how ever use a DMM if done correct. You will need 2 DMM's,a stable voltage source of known value,and a know value resistor. 1 DMM measures voltage across the known resistor,and the other DMM measures current from known voltage source to ground rod A. Then using ohms law,you can now calculate the resistance through ground rod A and B,as you have a known voltage source for the circuit,a known current flowing through the circuit,and a known voltage value across your known value resistor.
I wonder where you get your information sometimes. Telluric currents are just Lenz's law applied on a global scale with the power source coming from changes in space weather. Just like the Schumann resonance is absolutely useless in terms of designing a free energy system, telluric currents are also pretty much useless also.I get my information by analysing 19th century patents.
The fact that he had 0.1 volt between his earth rods was good scientific information to me, because it confirmed a measurement I had recently made between my two earth rods.
You killed scientific investigation.
Congratulations. Job well done.
Bringdownthezog, you remind me of a person that used to post at Energetic forum in the Don Smith devices too good to be true thread. With your plucking random schematics off the web and claiming they are Free Energy devices. Others will know the "Handle" I'm talking about.
Here is the code of conduct most of adhere to. You make the claim you provide the proof.
The schematic is in Russian or something so you'll need to translate that as this is an English speaking forum.
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I can get 2 volts between my 2 earth rods and you can see this in my many videos where I light a floro tube, 400 leds, and run a motor.
Total BS on your part and you know it.
Bill
Clarence was reporting his findings. Now he is not.
Maybe because he was asked for data he could not provide?
Did you consider this?
If you really had "something" would you let a few questions stand in the way of your getting this info to the world?
Well, neither would I.
Bill
Every hour each square meter of the upper atmosphere receives 1.367kWh of solar Energy. There is around 120 trillion square meters of atmosphere above us. 120 trillion x 1.367kWh per hour :D
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
@a.king21, I agree I cannot understand these idiots they have no Idea how upsetting this can be. I rarely post for this reason. Remember the donut when people were slicing and welding parts together and having difficulty finding parts, the unit next to me makes these parts and spin up the two halves all day long. Within an hour I had the parts to wind and construct a donut , when I posted the fact all hell let loose and I was called a liar, trolls said it would take days to order, let alone slicing one in half. (mine were made in 2 parts already). It is difficult to know what to do about it, I am playing with clarence circuit and I am getting promising results I did however forget to turn off unit in correct order and back fed my inverter which just went up in flames . Just took delivery of 5k sinewave new one so will start again this weekend. PS. I am not using mainspower at all to experiment
Regards
Keith
Usually two separated grounds will have a potential difference between them, so If you try to measure the resistance between the two rods in that case, the reading will be different depending on which way the meter is connected. Therefore other ways need to be used. The way Tinman describes sounds like it would work to me.1 zink and one copper-->you have a galvanic cell. The wetter your soil between the two,the more current you will get across a load between the two stakes. The voltage should be around 1.2 volt's.
I've been meaning for a while to determine the resistance between two ground rods I have, one is a zinc coated steel picket 6 feet deep and the other is a copper jacketed ground stake "regulation house ground type". They are about 8 meters apart. I haven't measured the voltage between them or scoped anything as yet.
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Ah ha, another heater burns up. Tinman is correct.It's a good transformer that captor loop transformer :D. Well as long as these guys keep having fun burning up there equipment,then all is well and good. ::)
Bill
Maybe because he was asked for data he could not provide?
Did you consider this?
If you really had "something" would you let a few questions stand in the way of your getting this info to the world?
Well, neither would I.
Bill
Here's a simpler device for you to try and build. It's very common around the world and makes free energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw)
Well there you go Bringdown. Perhaps three or four times you addressed me in this authoritative and condescending way saying things like, "You simply don't understand this circuit, you are incapable of understanding how it works, etc." The implication being that you understand the circuit and you can explain how it works. Then when I explicitly ask you to explain the circuit in your own words and I explicitly ask you to not link to anything as part of your explanation.... And you link to a completely different circuit with a video clip that is in Russian, and you are pretty damn sure that I don't speak any Russian. So much for your "explanation." The closed captions for the clip are in Russian.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
So, now we know the truth. You are just a fan boy and a "pretend enforcer" here and you have no clue how this circuit allegedly works and you are incapable of explaining anything about how it works. You haven't made a single posting with any technical merit since I have been reading this thread.
I have advice for you: Stop faking it. If you always post with a fake persona pretending to be someone that you are not, that causes extra mental exertion. Eventually you become mentally exhausted.
MileHigh
It would have been nice if you had let Clarence carry on without upsetting the guy.
The fact that he had 0.1 volts between his earth rods was good scientific information to me, because it confirmed a measurement I had recently made between my two earth rods.
You killed scientific investigation.
Congratulations. Job well done.
We don't need babysitters.
If you want to do a scientific investigation then be scientific about it. You both measured 0.1 volts, hence it is "confirmation." Confirmation of what? That's the scientific part - "what?"I can get .6 volts just holding a DMM's probes in each hand.
We were getting on fine till the disruptive element came in.
Go back and read the posts.
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
So I understand how Clarence feels.
People have feelings, even if they are hiding behind an internet name.
So Clarence, if you are reading this, if you could pm me, I'm interested in your findings.
BTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?
This is not correct at all in my opinion. If what you are saying were true, then all solar cells would be overunity...same with wind turbines and water wheels and AV plugs, etc. I have never, ever heard anyone seriously consider any of them overunity.
Since we agree that "the energy must be coming from somewhere", then we must also agree that overunity is not possible. You just made my argument for me.
There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.
What is is is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy.
Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.
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a.king21How else could I talk with Kapanadze? It was when he spoke Georgian with my interpreter that I may as well
Did you learned Russian language ? :o
They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)
I have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.
I would like for all members to know that this device will simply NOT work with out the needed ground rod set up. It just wont!
another thing to keep in mind is that this unit is not cheap to build. I would estimate that about 2000.00 (dollars) went into mine possibly more.
also the location that the member is in will determine how well the unit performs and how many ground rods he will need. that's also a lot of physical work to be done.
Chet:
MileHigh
You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.
Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse. Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.
There is a conundrum for you to contemplate: Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me. You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts." But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake. It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is. Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.
You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.
Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times. GDS Technologies comes to mind right away. The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September. There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals. Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.From our point of view-yes,but from Chet's perspective-->man has been wrong many time's before,and it's just a matter of time before he is wrong again.
So it's going to work. It will cost you $2000. You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence. Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?
I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card. If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.
The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.
However, eventually things will change. Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.
And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."
Aaron should have a book out in no time-->the secrets of the Captor Loop Transformer :P
here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html.
Chet K
Many so called experts said heavier than air machines could never fly
Tinman:
Great reply to my long posting and I pretty much agree with most of what you said.
This is off-topic, but I wanted to respond to this:
In essence, this is not true.
Everybody uses it to argue everything from magic energy from the ground, to super-luminal scalar waves, to magic resonating batteries, to Dini motors being over unity, the list is nearly endless.
However, it is not true. It's one of the great gaffes that is used to justify any speculative cockamamie wonder stories that you can read on the forums. All of those justifications for "believe my unfounded, no-evidence, crazy speculative theory" stories fall flat in a way because they are using a sample story that is not true. It can get tiring to read it all the time!
When you have a free hour, I suggest that you research the subject and see what you find!
MileHigh
I have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.
I read the OUR forum thread on this. Someone said that Clarence hasn't made any real measurements yet and he hasn't done any serious longer-time testing on the device.
If this is true, then what the hell is this statement from Clarence then?
We are back in La La Land, and I suppose that the enthusiasts will be in denial until the bitter end.
Why would you spend $2000 and dig up your back yard if no measurements have been made and no proof has been offered? Instead of that, why not buy old P4 computers for $40 and fix them up and donate them to underprivileged children in your local area? (Like I have done.)
Shaking my head....
Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo
Sorry, but I'm in the middle of a big plant start up, with a lot of big medium voltage motors, vfd's, softstarters, plc and etc, and I don't have to much time to the forum.[/size]
As we guys know, I had my hands on Barbosa device. I tested it, I made measurements and I dissembled it as well. Probably I'm too DUMB to find how the device works, but something caught my the attention.
Why they installed a tc in the secondary to show high amps, other than lead people to get this high " amps" and multiply this value by the income voltage and say from there, that the device can "generate" high power?
I used a very good grounding system, close to a lake, several rods and very big cable. Also, through a friend, I drew some circuits ( PWM's and oscillators) that was sent to Nilson.
Ariovaldo
From a member over at EF.
Quote: Hello Clarence. Thank you for all the info on your build setup. I see that you mentioned you have run your build for about 4 hours, and I guess you mean with the battery and inverter and battery charger in a loop, as shown in your schematic drawing? I think you said your build was around $2000 or so, so it would be helpful if you can provide some more details here about how your build is performing.
What is the longest you have run your build in self looping mode with the battery, and what specifically did you have connected as a load for those tests while it was self running, and what was the battery voltage at the end of the run before you switched everything off? As you no doubt know, you have to measure the battery voltage while everything is still running and the battery is still under load at the end of the test, before you switch anything off, because the battery voltage can start to climb back up once it is no longer under a load. I am sure I am probably not the only one who would like to hear some more details about how long you have run your build in self looping mode, and what kind of battery voltage is maintained throughout the test runs while the battery is under load. You must have no doubt run your build in self looping mode with the battery for much longer periods than just four hours to confirm that it can self run for a long length of time without the battery voltage starting to drop?
Clarence has answered every other question others have asked except this one-->interesting.
MHCan't see the images unless you are a member and logged in. "Open source" at EF is a secret, open only to a select few, remember?
Just paying attention .
@ TinMan
sums it up nicely. [on another note yah shuddah Gone fishin Too... :-X
here is the link for the new dedicated thread [which I will most definitely be contributing to]
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details.html).
Chet K
MH:
Wait. Someone on EF actually asked (demanded) for measurements? Well, that will be the end of that. Clarence will most likely pull out of there as he did here. We can not have folks asking for proof or measurements. All that does is drive these inventors to other forums where this info is not asked for. Worse case, it might make the inventor burn all of his notes and give up thereby depriving the world of yet another free energy device.
This is really sad. I thought that EF banned those types of questions years ago.
What will Chet think about this?
Bill
What is the longest you have run your build in self looping mode with the battery, and what specifically did you have connected as a load for those tests while it was self running, and what was the battery voltage at the end of the run before you switched everything off? As you no doubt know, you have to measure the battery voltage while everything is still running and the battery is still under load at the end of the test, before you switch anything off, because the battery voltage can start to climb back up once it is no longer under a load. I am sure I am probably not the only one who would like to hear some more details about how long you have run your build in self looping mode, and what kind of battery voltage is maintained throughout the test runs while the battery is under load. You must have no doubt run your build in self looping mode with the battery for much longer periods than just four hours to confirm that it can self run for a long length of time without the battery voltage starting to drop?
Clarence has answered every other question others have asked except this one-->interesting.
What is the deal on the captor?
MileHigh
Do you think we can use capacitor insted of battery?? It may have a longer lifespan...
my experience is just to use the Captor output to power the charger and let it keep the battery at a constant top voltage charge and keep the whole system operating continually and use it.
Picowatt:
You read my mind. I was just whipping up a "drawing for the drawing challenged" about that issue.
To All:
Have a look at the attached diagram. The voltages in the ground due to a SWER system or due to telluric currents are on the order of microvolts per meter (or something comparable to that). Telluric currents are intermittent and change direction very slowly. So how could putting a bunch of ground rods in your backyard be of any benefit in terms of picking up power from the ground alone?
MileHigh
Mile High,
Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.
.S.MarkSCoffman
my experience is just to use the Captor output to power the charger and let it keep the battery at a constant top voltage charge and keep the whole system operating continually and use it.
What a pleasant surprise it would be to find that a certain ground "array"
under "certain" conditions could harvest energy in this way.
I don't even see the fat lady around here yet......
Time will tell.
Since you asked..
Yes, I can explain how the captor transformer works in a few words.
"It is a saturable magnetic power regulator designed to tap into the utility power company
environmental ground return power circuits using a limited but independent ground rod array
design specially by Clarence."
(o) Once working, for power companies return current, it can seamlessly work for supposed
Telluric currents.
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We need the ability to discuss problems ahead of time (because we are smart), make a
document, and have one person perform a test as to what the group wants to see, and to distribute
the back the desired test results. This is the path to group learning and understanding of function
by principles. Simple construction techniques of post application of more "good ideas" doesn't work.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Well
I just spoke with Clarence again ,and he reiterated the unit reaches a point where it will self run the batteries and then adding more of an array brings in more energy.
Chet K
Soooo
No shovel time at all ??
Even some light "worming experience"
no ??
NEXT !!
Mile High,
Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.
.S.MarkSCoffman
Everyone should review the radio engineering concept of the "mixer" a mixer is a multiplier, but changes the actual
numbers on the voltage and current in such a way as it multiplies physical power. One form of a mixer is a non-linear
magnetic amplifier which we are using. There is also a radio frequency form of mixer which is probably what Karpenzy is using.
So the captor transformer *is a mixer*. The carrier or IF intermediate frequency is the inverter which is physically multiplied
by the power waveform of the other signal. I think that makes sufficient sense to stop right there.
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The only other thing is the availability of the ground array to intercept the required power.
I have come up with a good analogy - the Tsunami. The Tsunami is only about one meter deep in the open ocean
and the fish there don't even feel it. This is equivalent to large numbers of mobile electrons, but the low impedance
between ground points keeps shorting the voltage out. The ground array is as if the ocean bottom is rising right
before landfall and the Tsunami is busy converting itself to high energy "scrubbing bubbles". Most likely the array
functions becomes the difference of the conductivity of copper rods in the array vs the conductivity of the ground
to generate additional voltage rise.
I'm sure the math for this would be covered on some book on utility electronics.
To me this should be enough to justify moving to the next set of targets.
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By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked except it probably had a dynamic range
of 100KW! I suspect it was *haywired* then *potted* to prevent people from easily analyzing its function.
.S.MarkSCoffman
By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked
Man you are a curious person... What is your idea with this speech so corrosive? The hunt is over do not you understand?
People asked not only for testing, but criticized a less correctly, this is what i see in this topic .
Your speech shows well what your intentions.
Note that these not contribute to appease this topic, only to flare were more nap know?
You need attention? Work for it! but not with these derogatory remarks. Maybe you need to feel involved in some kind of project like
LED flip flop circuit or something this genre. You will able to make lots of measures .... in your home and show to your friends that like this kind of game !
Flip flop flip flop
So, someone is faking a fake device and now many folks are going to waste over $2,000 each to attempt to replicate and you think that is OK but you have a problem with my post?
To me, that is derogatory, and so is your post if you just sit by and watch this happen.
Perhaps you don't have the background to know any better? Fine, that is understandable. But, I do know better.
This is fake and does not/can not work.
It is as simple as that. If you do not like my saying that, I suggest that you do not read my posts.
Good day,
Bill
Indeed TK, here is my spin on it, I marked up the main schematic with some annotations.You got the wrong schematic MH. The little few turn coil dosnt loop back onto it self. One end go's to the ground rod's,and the other to the neutral side of the load.
A lot of you experimenters out there that are supporters of this proposition need to learn basic circuit analysis. Stop pretending that electronic circuits act "differently" just because somebody told you so. They don't.
@tinman, thank you for pointing that out I thought it was just me, now the circuit might work as intended.No the circuit will not work as described by Clarence-sorry Keith,but that is a fact.
Regards
Keith
You got the wrong schematic MH. The little few turn coil dosnt loop back onto it self. One end go's to the ground rod's,and the other to the neutral side of the load.
When you look at the schematic below,you will see why i said the ground rods are nothing but a resistive path in the neutral side of the circuit. And this is why when Clarence puts in more ground rod's,he gets more power to the load. So now he thinks he is making more power with more ground rod's because more power gets to the load--when in actual fact,he is only reducing the resistance in the neutral side of the circuit when he adds more ground rod's.
and the GEET is a fake .. and Stan Meyers (hydrogen/ Plasma) is a fake .. GENEPAX is a fake .. Rossi / Industrial Heat E-Cat is a fake .. Steorn is a fake .. Kapanadze is a fake ??? ?? (and Tesla was a madman) all proven if not quite fully understood andYou should be ashamed of yourself for mentioning Tesla in the same sentence along with those fakes and frauds. "All proven"... not hardly. Look around you: You are literally surrounded by technology that can be traced directly back to Tesla's inventions, patents and scientific research. Those clowns you mention... where is anything good or practical or proven from any of them? Nowhere, that's where, and there never will be, either.
energy from the ground will be just another added to the list. These things often take a long time to understand and develop, and as soon as it is the money comes in to snatch it away. Governments around the world are sitting on thousands of patents in the
interest of 'National Security' (protecting power and taxation). It's the people playing with the fakes who get the job done.
maybe your motives are good and well intentioned. Like maggie thatcher it is usually the people who most believe they are right who are not .. advise people to be cautious yes, be constructive and guiding if you have something to contribute but the 'crusades' are over and can now be seen for what they were .. wrong.Yes, you are right about one thing: B&L and Clarence will be added to the list of false claimants, which includes Kapanadze, Rossi, Meyer, Pantone, Steorn, and the rest of that lot. Of the names you mention only Tesla has ever contributed anything to our knowledge and our technology.
As for B&L and Clarence .. soon we will all know and it can be added to the list with the others.
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Mr. Coffman will you be replicating ?? or gathering a group so as to diminish personal investment
and maximize minimal public resources for this project ??
we can pick a builder and ship equipment to minimize expense??
Chet K
Originally Posted by citfta (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-post273723.html#post273723) Can you explain what you mean by Magamp. I am asking because I see a lot of confusion on this forum about what a magamp really is and what it really does. I worked as an industrial maintenance electronic tech for over 25 years and worked on several magamps. A magamp (magnetic amplifier) as used in industry is a special transformer that allows you to control a large current by using a very small current to control the saturation of the transformer. They will put out exactly the same kind of signal you put into one. They do not produce a sine wave unless the control current is a sine wave. And they do not produce any extra power. They are just like a water faucet that controls the flow of water. You have to supply the large current but it can be controlled by a small current.
Hello @ ALL,
The transformer winding remains the same standard wiring that bridgeport magnetics uses. however after the wire extends so far out of the primary as to be practical I stepped it up to a #10 awg tinned multistrand wire.
Now why do you suppose ole sneaky Clarence would do something like that?
PRACTICAL!
that word is my second name in life! after a short period during building
the SMALL wire leads would BREAK off at their terminals AND they wern't LONG ENOUGH to reach where I needed to CONNECT THEM!!!!!!!!! ALSO #10 has less resistance.
Get a grip people! Anything I do is ALWAYS PRACTICAL!
Thanks for listening!
Clarence
Ha, this is hugely entertaining: Had me rolling around laughing yesterday.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-4.html)
VS http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/new/#new (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/new/#new)
Best free energy soap opera yet.
BTW I'm NOT taking sides!
Yes, on some levels it is a comedy. In fact on one level it's a black comedy like the movie "Dr. Strangelove."
On OUR you have a "mad scientist" character named Duncan that claims he is an engineer but when he talks about electronics he sounds like he is from Planet Whack-a-Doo. Then to advance the "technical discussion" you throw in the "kitchen sink" - two 9/11 conspiracy clips.
And of course the "alternative thinkers" that accuse the people with common sense of being the "sheeple" are the real sheeple because their peer group pressure prevents them from breaking ranks and expressing some doubt. If Clarence said that you had to squirt mayonnaise all over the grounding rods and hop on one foot to make it work most of the believers would not question that. Instead you would be discussing a bulk purchase of mayonnaise so you could all split the costs.
Slim Pickens. What a classic photo!
Hey! You are exposing the PSYOP. 8)
Now I have to get another face transplant! I want to look like a big saxophone player this time.
There is more than a few of us waiting to replicate, if proper proof is shown, and, which can also be trusted.
Scientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.
The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm.
THAT WAY each time A LOAD is placed on the output of the CAPTOR an incremental additional increase is added to the LOOP without quickly OVERHEATING IT!!!!!!
NickZ, the status of membership here is a matter of # of posts; not knowledge.
Since you are the one making the statement that such devices exist, I would expect you to be able to point me to a real world example; years of searching on my part shows zero.
MileHigh:
I'm also quite familiar with all of Itsu's test on the Akula/Ruslan replications. Which were not an exact replication of any of the two mentioned devices. Just look at the bulbs that he used. Are they similar to what Akula is using, or Ruslan. No? Why not? If I use those same wattage bulbs I wouldn't be able to light those bulbs to anywhere close the same lumin levels as when using 100 watt bulbs, or even higher wattage bulbs. As mentioned previously, I burnt out a 150 watt bulb, while 40 to 60 watt bulbs are barely lighting.
I don't have all the answers, and I'm still working on it, but I do feel that there is a relation between this thread and the Dally thread.
I also feel that Itsu was very close to hitting on it, but instead of continuing on, he left it all up in the air, at least for now. I do wish that he would get back on that project, I do miss his input, and love his clean and tidy work.
Yes, I will do some more tests even knowing that in the original equipment didn't work with the original owner and didn't work with me. The original owner had a good grounding system but I didn't see how was the tests and connections. When I tried, my grounding was not good like they use to ask for.
The excuse that Barbosa gave to the original owner was the inductance in the primary was not right. The inductance was 0.21 Henries and was suppose to be between 0.6 and 0.8 Henries as I told before.
Hello Clarence. No offense intended at all, but frankly, as I have mentioned before, all indications from what you have said previously here are that your system is not working as a self running device, so that is why I am throwing out some ideas, in case anyone who still wants to try to build and test with one of these setups wants to try some different arrangements to see if they can get the device to self run, since we don't really know how your own setup is actually performing.
You have actually provided very little test results information so far that anyone can look at to try to determine how your device is performing. If your setup was able to self run, I see no reason why you would not be willing to share some long term test results with everyone here, since all you would have to do is connect in a light bulb and then switch on the device and leave it running for 24 hours or more, while measuring the battery voltage periodically. Since you have so far ignored requests for such a simple test, I can only conclude that your setup doesn't self run. A simple test or two like this would help others here to see exactly how your setup performs in self loop mode for a reasonable duration of time. You should understand that until you provide these sort of performance details, there is no reason for anyone to think your setup is over unity.
So, it is not that people are not getting what you are saying. It is that you haven't provided important details about how your setup actually performs for anyone to try to assess if your device actually performs any better than if you just connect the battery and inverter alone to a light bulb and leave that running for a few hours. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/wink.gif) People often make mistaken claims about free energy devices in these forums. We have probably all seen that many times. I am not saying I think you are definitely mistaken. I am saying that without you at least presenting some longer duration test results as described above, we have very little to go on. So that leaves you as just another guy saying he has a 'working' free energy device, but not giving anyone any practical test information that they can then evaluate.
Now, BroMikey or others, before you jump all over me, think about what I am saying. I don't think anything I am saying is too unreasonable at all. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/thinking.gif) For those of us who don't know Clarence personally, we have no way of evaluating what he is saying unless he at least provides some practical performance test results. That is just a fact of the situation of communicating in forums of this type. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/peaceflag.gif) Yes, Clarence could just make up some test results, but that is something we would have to look at and try to evaluate. (http://www.energeticforum.com/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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level
At 2:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time on Friday April 17th, Clarence is on EF, and the request for hard data that was made by Level (for the second or third time) was probably posted a few hours ago.
Nick this is the Barbosi Thread
Oh my! level, you have done it now! You dared to ask for some proof a device does what it is claimed it does. Haven't you learned by now you can't do that on this forum? I can now predict exactly what will happen next. Instead of getting an answer about the technical questions you have raised you will be attacked on a personal level. Oh, sorry about the pun. It wasn't intended. But I have learned that when someone on here can't or doesn't want to answer a technical question they resort to personal attacks instead. That always makes me wonder what they are trying to hide. Are they hiding the fact they don't really know the answer or do they know but don't want anyone else to know because the answer is not good.
Good luck on getting a real answer. And remember when the personal attacks get boring, like the ranting of a 5 year old, you can always use the ignore button.
Sincerely,
Carroll
I am not offended, just wondering how you can equate your evaluation
of Clarence statement that his machine is a "self runner" as misinformation.
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Let's look at the data PLUS your statements. Your statement demands Clarence do other things that you think are absent in a way that has called him basically a liar.
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Fact three, each time you do this Clarence does not respond to you.
Are we catching on yet? Clarence is the authority here. You are challenging
that authority, okay fine. You want Clarence to show more data because otherwise you don't believe him.
Now I ask you, if you were the one giving this gift to your fellow experimenter friends and Clarence came along calling your gift a lie,
would you favor him? Would you go out of your way to see to it that even after the insults, that Clarence be treated as a special student?
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Okay IF Clarence did run 4-5hrs off his system and IF it is a self runner I need more data. Do you listen to yourself?
I am not worried about Clarence, he is a real man so fire your questions
but for goodness sakes listen to yourselves so you can talk rigth next time.
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What about it Clarence? Can you offer this young man any words of wisdom?
and here I thought this was the Barbosa and Leal thread. ;)
Not that anyone could tell either way at this point... ;D
All the best...
@ MileHigh, TK, and All:That's pretty funny.
Well, that's interesting, that 276 watts is coming from the "ground" or from somewhere.
Or, coming from the surrounding ambient, as Tesla mentions, and GOING to ground, instead???
Here (below) is an interesting quote from my friend muDped at the Energetic forum,
with whom I fully agree with, (most of the time anyway). Except on some religious matters,
which we all are have a right to have an opinion on, and don't always need agree on, or disagree with what
we can't prove, as yet.
muDped,
quote:
"Most manifestations of anomalous energy have no
Scientific explanation and in fact come from a source
which Science is unable to deal with. Scientific
instruments are unable to measure it even though its
effects are plainly visible and often felt.
The vast majority are not ready to admit that the source
of this mysterious energy is from outside our physical realm."
end quote.
We will be playing with Alexander Parkhomov's Work right here and elsewhere [in a dedicated thread] ,the average experimenter will be hard pressed to spend 50.Bucs when all is said and done.Let me remind you that Lithium Aluminum Hydride (LiAlH4) is not only dangerous to work with (when it contacts water, or even moisture in the air, it rapidly evolves lots of hydrogen and lots of heat....) but also is a _Special Surveillance List chemical_ in the USA, monitored by the DEA since it is commonly used as a reducing agent in the manufacture of many illegal drugs.
would love for you and others to join in.
respectfully
Chet K
If someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory
Reality check time.
Some people having a giant ego is not the same as being a giant.
Some people stating the most obvious things over and over as if what they are saying are great profound revelations, is actually just run of the mill trolling.
Some people imagining they are saving the world with their constant trolling and thread derailing attempts, is not really saving the world at all, no matter how much they may try to make them self believe it. ;)
All the best...
Dang man... :o
;D
If someone is adamant that the captor system can not work. I suggest that they build a version in the laboratory-----------------------
where they use a high wattage dummy load resistance and a variac power supply to be the varying array input signal.
When wired correctly the various device input signals will slowly track voltage rises and current signals will match the
demand as translated from the battery charger and the inverter.
Approximate Goal to wire captor correctly...
If one inserts a ground system of the type that Clarence has into a utility ground
return path, one should expect *something* will happen. One would not expect
"nothing" to happen. That is some voltage and some current, i.e. some power,
at the internal impedance of the ground array will make itself available from the
array. By using a purpose built self adjusting ferrite transformer (aka ferorresonant
transformer) the circuit attached can become a (a)voltage regulator that is hold its
internal voltages relatively constant while the internal devices (battery charger + inverter)
can set their input current based on a function of their internal need. and (b) a mixer
that can modulate the 60hz reference signal carrier from the inverter onto slower
voltage waveform signals being received from the ground array independent of
source (telluric vs utility tail power) and can use these simultaneously if available.
I doubt if Clarence designed his successful captor but there are so few components
that a evolutionary circuit design could easily have taken place.
.S.MarkSCoffman
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I would say that sounds quite reasonable, and as for 'evolutionary (design) development', that is exactly what Clarence claims. .. I really can't imagine any of the nay-sayers attempting to disprove the captor by getting 'hands-on'
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Hmm you keep mentioning my posts....
Well this is just for you:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm)
-----------------------I'll tell you what. You buy the parts and send them to me, and I'll do a complete and full and honest test and evaluation for you and report it here. For free, no charge to you, for the testing and evaluation. And if it works as Clarence claims, "self running" on power from the ground, I'll reimburse you for your outlay. (That will be easy because soon I'll be rich.... IF it works as claimed.)
I would say that sounds quite reasonable, and as for 'evolutionary (design) development', that is exactly what Clarence claims. .. I really can't imagine any of the nay-sayers attempting to disprove the captor by getting 'hands-on'
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I updated the CAD schematic again and added the dots to the two toroidal transformers. The dots are configured to show maximum AC current in the secondaries of the transformers.Hi ,
I may not have mentioned this before in a definitive way so I will mention it here.
Look at the secondary captor loop. What do you see? You can see that the current will be very high, but what else do you see?
What you should see is that effectively both of the toroidal transformers have short-circuited secondaries.
What use is a transformer with a shorted out secondary?
The answer is that the only use is as a glorified heater, because the only thing it is doing is burning off the power that is being fed into the primary. ..
Hi ,
A shorted transformer could be more use than a "glorified heater". without heating..... but if you say so ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpsK6EMPQM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFpsK6EMPQM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs)
MileHigh@
Output should be more than 3kW. So this analysis is worth nothing,
if you wont to get some results, then change the perspective. This is not accurate. Maybe in your thoughts. Maybe you are unconsciously avoiding some important things, or you're just not aware, or something. A guess you just analyze this, without any practical approach. So it's imagination. But in wrong direction , if I may say.
Please note that the E-Cat is not an OU generator, it's supposed to be a design that is a nuclear generator. The jury is still out and although there are observed anomalies, there is no definitive proof yet. Look it up for more information.
Dear MH as usual you are a little behind the curve .. Controlling interest in the E-Cat Rossi device has now been sold to 'Industrial Heat' it has been independently tested for a continuous period of 32 days and found to produce energy in the order of one magnitude .. you won't have too much difficulty verifying this.
Nelson, I tried to watch your clip but honestly I was very tired. Your clips have no narration and but they have text annotation. What are you trying to show in your clips? Did the setup you showed have any relation to this thread?
How about you write a few paragraphs in here where you explain what you did, and what your results were, and what your conclusions were? If you have a point to make that is relevant I am certainly willing to listen to it.
Also, if you are not comfortable writing in English, then make a posting in Portuguese. Everyone can then use their favourite translation software to translate it into English.
Please note that the E-Cat is not an OU generator, it's supposed to be a design that is a nuclear generator. The jury is still out and although there are observed anomalies, there is no definitive proof yet. Look it up for more information.
Nelson:You think that has nothing to do with the B & L circuit because basically you have a circuit idea in your head so you do not understand ...
So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Nelson,
Please go ahead and explain to all of us how you believe that the B&L circuit works. Discuss the input, the output, and the mechanism for producing free energy. Please tell us what the pair of toroidal transformers is supposed to do in the circuit.
MileHigh
Meanwhile, you completely ignored my second request to you to define "efficiency" when you talk about the captor.
MileHigh
i only see a improvement not free energy
i did my own tests to months ago , is not a overunity circuit like people want
A reach a 80% less consumption in inductive loads to 50% by resistive loads.
Sorry for the delay on getting back to you,
Ok, my take on the efficiency of the captor. First, I wanted to show that Barbosa and Leal
are not "green warriors", if you will, because there is no way that a suburban housing
development could each house have an operable ground array captor supplying
its power. The captor is an elite power unit as it were.
Secondly, I wanted to show you, that even the transformer version of the captor is not
that efficient so a resistive version could be made to work. The is typical of a set of
devices known as a ballasted electronic circuits. Meaning the internal impedance of a
circuit is being used as an advantage towards operation of the device as a whole even
though steps were never take to reduce the devices internal impedance.
The captor has to at times step up voltage between 1 or 2 to 100 so I use those numbers
as 1 or 2 percent. The whole population of users electrons supports the a single users
captor electron adaptation adjustment. I agree that numbers are somewhat hokey
but my belief is that some kind of estimate is better than no estimate at all.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Oh well now that I see it a picture is worth a thousand words. The way i
explain it now in words is like this.
Stand the two toroids upward as shown in the diagram. Starting on the far left side of the first toroid go to the top going behind the core first and then around toward the front in the CW (Clockwise) rotation winding direction going downward to the bottom where the winding stops. This winding is approx 180 degrees of the circle.
Now moving over to the other half of this first toroid core use a 4awg
wire starting from the upper portion of the right side where no winding
is present. Going behind the core again coming back around in the CCW (Counter Clockwise) looking straight down on the standing cores.
If I sound like babbling fool I completely understand. It really does take
time to wrap your head around this. It feels good to know I do understand.
Nelson:
Some quotes from you:
So you agree that this thing doesn't work. What is the reason for even building it then?
In some of your posts I think you are stating that this device could act like a power factor corrector. So what!? There are already power factor correctors that you can purchase.
I have a comment for you about this:
You have to learn to be scientific. To say "50% less consumption by resistive loads" does not make any sense. You have to discuss input and output parameters and all of your voltage, current, phase, and power in and power output measurements if you want to make sense. Or something similar to that.
Like I already posted, the phrase, "My pulse motor is very efficient" is total bullshit because the efficiency is not being defined.
Everyone needs to learn to present data in a credible, logical, and comprehensible manner. And that especially applies to the replicators of Clarence's version of the B&L system on the Energetic Forum.
MileHigh
Lol You are the Guy ! The only person that you heard that do not work, it was you!
Does not give me the words that did not.
I not support what you say. end of story
You think I'll waste my time explaining whatever it is and try to be scientific to you? lol Why do it with you ?
Do not even have a constructive discourse, moreover have nothing to prove to you.
I have proven who had to prove now is time to continue.
Please let the topic run PLEASE!
Well, you can go ahead and eat your own words.
Nelson:
I am not going "mad." I simply quoted you where you stated that you don't believe this system is OU. Now you are saying that you believe it is OU. You are the one that became "mad" in your previous posting.
The problem with this thread is there is no generic technical discussion, or any technical discussion about all of the technical points that I have made. For example, how does the captor output power? Do you see any connections between the captor and the output of the device? Talking about wire gages and how many copper rods to put in the ground is not a technical discussion. I posed several marked-up schematics to try to stimulate a real technical discussion but there are no comments. Many people "play" and pretend that they are having a technical discussion when the reality is it's not true. They talk about how to build it pretending that it works. They are afraid to talk about how they believe it actually works - they have nothing to say. They know who they are.
When Clarence talks about adding copper rods and "getting a higher voltage measurement" do you know where he is measuring that voltage? I don't know. I would not be surprised if nobody knows.
People accuse me of "dominating the thread." Do you think I have the power to stop people from posting? I don't. They are afraid to discuss the real issues: Let's look at the schematic and discuss how the system is supposed to work - discuss what is going on on the schematic and where you think the free energy is coming from - in the schematic.
The same thing is happening on the Energetic Forum thread. It's a fantasy discussion about where to buy cores and how many turns for your coils. They are not discussing the possible mechanism for generating free energy at all, or how and where to make measurements to confirm or deny that the hypothetical free energy process is taking place. That is the reality.
MileHigh
Nelson
I completely understood your Not OU explanation ...
not the tenth time you explained ...or the 6th time ...
I got it the first time...
and its VERY SPECIAL [at least your DC results...similar to Clarence apparently ??]
When you find a 60hz core forsale GET the "VOLTS/TURN" number.
Thank you for being patient. Let me think about my drawing some more and I will be back to show you what I think I am doing wrong. The biggest problem I am having is with the statement that both toroidal are wound the same.
Vamos ter algum divertimento real.Now that there be free energy if i've ever seen it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9p7ToiJ5Q9o
Nelson,Hi ,
Here is a slightly cleaned up Google Translate: (I may also make some mistakes in the clean up.)
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It may be easier to translate Portuguese to English for you to understand without translation errors.
On the subject I believe that B & L circuit is an overunity circuit.
I say with conviction the current loop is not measured in the output current. I have explained what is its function.
Without going into detail, it only serves to saturate the core of the toroidal transformer. for this reason as always said
for me is not a overunity circuit. However I did not hear anyone say they did not notice curious and positive behaviors during the tests I did based on my interpretation of the circuit operation.
In the tests we have conducted with my circuit 220V 50Hz AC, I observed that the use of inductive loads dropped about 80% and purely resistive loads 50% to 55%. Not being "scientific" in my conclusion and in my explanation is clear that these are very small results, when the important thing is overunity.
Regarding tests on AD, I even using an identical configuration of equipment.
Different but converging paths.
In my country the houses are built from the ground to the roof and not the opposite.
I have no interest in dwell into details even by professional issues. Do not miss "Gurus" to explain what ever seen, talking than ever tested but with a certainty, Novela not lacked.
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I still don't know what you mean by the drops of 80% and 50% to 55% for inductive or resistive loads. It is not important. I will just repeat something to you that I posted a few weeks ago. I have 38 years of direct and indirect experience in electronics. From my experience and knowledge I am telling you this is a scam and the replicators are chasing after a false dream.
Esta é uma farsa.
MileHigh
Why would it matter if some one from EF is reading here?
Level
Why the grave concern ??
the boys are having a good time and you seem like your not ??
is this the tenth time you have stated this ?
twelve times ??
You jumped in to start this thread, now you are trying to embarrass Clarence
into doing something for You ??
Do you feel some one might spend 2 thousand dollars and not read the thread??
It is fine that you are not replicating ,perhaps the adults here should decide what they will do for themselves too??
Chet K
I have heard these claims in many different ways and if there is some way that this is tricking the grid with out being attached to the grid that is important to find out.
Your concerns are perfectly legit. After many years of Milows disapointments I have seen clame after claim and nothing came out of it. I would presume that interested experimenter can see trough the smoke and inuendos. For newcomers it is valuable expiriance if thay finally get to build something. Who says it has to work first time. As for the Clarence I commend him for sticking out whit all the occasional poking and bagering. In time we all are going to see the the results of his work. Only than we can judge him as being honest and respected gentlemen or som fly by night soon to be forgotten. Personally I think he owes us nothing.
It is his claim an it is up to us grownups to decide if we are willing to except his lead or not. If it turns to be working device I think it is wort to go trough the expiriance. Finally who says that he has to spell it out with all the data. Perhaps he cannt. Would you be so brave to stick your neck out and risk big brother messing out with your last supper. Power is in numbers. Info is out and that is enough for now. Coach is here, use ocasion to replicate any way you can. Tomorrow he may be gone and with him all he knows. Instead of bagering ask valid questions and let the time do its dance.
Here is the big profound thought of the day for our friends on the Energetic Forum thread:
I have a toroid and the primary winding on the coil is "clockwise."
If I reverse the two wires I have connected to the "clockwise" primary coil, then it looks exactly like a counter-clockwise wound coil even though it is wound "clockwise."
Hence: It does not matter if the primary or the secondary windings are "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise." All that you have to do is make the proper connections to the coils with your two wires to get the results you are looking for.
That's why for transformers we use the "dot convention." The dot convention eliminates the mass confusion.
P.S.: You don't have to be a rocket scientist to know this. All that you have to do is apply the right-hand rule.
Ha ha Bill, you forgot to mention that you have to also jump up and down and rub your belly at the same time to get OU from the white wire.
MileHigh
So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:
Who mows his lawns?
I've experimented with ground energy for quite a few years now - 2 grounds, one 60ft (N) approximately 55 sq ft of area into the aquifer and the second (S) 30ft away 8ft deep with an area of 15 sq ft. Resistance between them is 5 ohm. On an earlier page someone mentioned using a meter to measure ground resistance - not going to happen - the best way is to use a battery and an amp meter then calculate it.
Dear MH,
Kapenadze' device now has financial backing which has taken it forward into production of 'high output' devices and we should all expect that this will also be kept 'out of reach of the people' who must continue to pay.
Clarence asks for no Money and is sharing ALL the details..no secrets..
Void
When I said there are no secrets ,I meant regarding the "how its done"....
performance secrets are another issue .
Take a look at Dragon's post here for some serious science.I've read every post on that page and I must have missed Dragon's because I don't see any by such a person. I do however see several quite reasonable and polite posts from people asking for data, photos, etc. who are not being answered, but instead are being insulted in the most childish way by this "BroMikey" character, in colored bold large type yet.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-8.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20091-barbosa-leal-devices-info-replication-details-8.html)
I've read every post on that page and I must have missed Dragon's because I don't see any by such a person. I do however see several quite reasonable and polite posts from people asking for data, photos, etc. who are not being answered, but instead are being insulted in the most childish way by this "BroMikey" character, in colored bold large type yet.
He's deleted his post.
If I can help with that, in the future, just let me know. I'm not banned from EF, as yet.Single Wire Earth Return power systems, as in Brazil:
No, I didn't download it in time, either before he "dumped" it, maybe someone else did though.
There may be some people, like in Brazil, that are using similar type of systems to tie into the grid, run earth grounds, and are able to extract enough power from their set up, that it reduces their power meter bills. OR NOT?
Can someone confirm this? Especially if it has to do with what may be going on in this thread.
I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.
..S..MarkSCoffman
I think Telluric ground currents would give the electric utilities some legal pause, since they overlap
in the ground loop and you would be receiving these too in parallel. You may be able to
get a partial waver to extract a percentage of power you receive from the captor loop.
..S..MarkSCoffman
Grum bought some more grounding rods. If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated. I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.You may be interested in a whole set of experiments we both did on Tuesday/Wednesday
Could you show us the evidence for this please?
Tesla's little secret. testing the Kapanadze coils .. power increase.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z-QvHSyHOuQ#t=647)
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you .. either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.
Grum bought some more grounding rods. If he can get around to doing a resistance measurement (using a battery) between two ground rods placed something like a meter apart that would be appreciated. I recommend putting a 10-watt 10-ohm resistor in series in case the resistance is very low, you don't want to short out the battery.
MH
you are entitled to your opinions.
ENERGY FROM THE GROUND .. is an intriguing Prefix, regardless of the suffix .
Betwixxed your"" On Topic"" Fairy's nancing and prancing posts
can you Please site one example where I have ever asked you not to post.
I don't have to do better than anything .. .. .. and that isn't the way to get me to give up my free time to go searching things for you .. either you would like to see it or you wouldn't as things are at the moment I really don't give a damn. .. so take it or leave it .. go search for it yourself.All right, let me put it this way.
Grum:
Thank you very much for doing the tests. That shows a very high resistance. I don't know much about ground rods but I will make a few guesses. I think I read somewhere that a standard grounding rod is about eight feet long. I am going to assume that in most areas that are not in very dry climates it allows the grounding rod to make it down to the water table. Perhaps not the water table but something like a region where the soil is permanently moist and just a few feet above the actual water table. One assumes that then the resistance between two grounding rods one meter apart would be quite low.
I am absolutely NOT asking you to do that, I am more than content to guess at this point in time. I can always do the research myself if needed.
MileHigh
Chet:
Thanks for reposting Dragon's information and allowing the blind to see the images. It's fun and interesting stuff, a good learning experience for hobbyists. The power levels are very low, probably less than one-tenth of a miliwatt.
The problem is that it has nothing to do with Clarence's alleged system. That's always a danger with threads. People start to run out of ideas and before you know it everything but the kitchen sink starts getting discussed.
MileHigh
Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with Small LED'sI have no doubt that some of the circuits Dragon posted will light up an LED or two. That is not in dispute. What I am disputing is that specific non-connection to ground as shown in the B&L patent and reproduced in the last diagram above. Let's see some demonstrated effect, some significant power transfer, from _that specific setup_.
Not microwave ovens.
Yes this is quite true [NO CONNECTION} ..and He also recommends starting with LED's
Not microwave ovens.
and to look for a means to this
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the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...
Should be noticed that Dragon has said this about enclosed schematic
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It's simply my interpretation of the patent drawings and could very well be wrong or incomplete to some degree.
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Also I am not quite certain what Dragon implies by "Ferro resonance"
I will ask him...
** And here is the response from dragon
ferroresonance is a condition that occurs in a system where there is a non linear inductance in series with a capacitive link. If the system is being driven by a frequency, such as a 50/60 hz line, and the inductance shifts to a level that makes the capacitive link resonant then it creates a short circuit or a switch of sorts. This can cause high voltage conditions to occur and/or over current situations that can damage components.
When the current in the loop varies the inductance of the coil changes based on the saturation of the core. If the conditions are right this forms a resonant series LC in which case has only the resistance of the conductors to deter transfer - basically a dead short
It is correct wrt the "ground" non-connection as claimed by B&L and also as appears in the first sketches attributed to Clarence, I believe. It is not correct with respect to the circuit allegedly used _now_ by Clarence, where this non-connection now connects to the mains input, turning the ground rod array into a big resistor.
So how anyone could call Clarence's circuit a "replication" of the B&L claims is beyond me, since this fundamental element of the "captor" circuit is completely different.
Sounds like he's at least read the documents I linked up above, even if not fully understood them. Now let's see if he can explain how this condition could possibly occur in the B&L circuit or the one Clarence is allegedly using-- especially without blowing the inverter and/or battery charger.
I'd also like to know why one rod should be deeper than the other. Was it the "North" rod that is supposed to be deeper? Is this the case in the Southern Hemisphere as well? Where is some actual data that I can examine, comparing the results from ground rods sunk to various depths? Is it possible to see an image of the original laboratory notebook where the original data on ground rod depth was recorded?
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Those are great results Bill, but I'm wondering if you did any control experiments to determine if it was indeed some kind of magnetic field effect, or was more "earth battery" electrochemistry in action. For example, did you try two ground rods that were east-west instead of north south, to see if you got no or greatly reduced output power? There are a handful of other control experiments that come to mind that would test the hypothesis that the Earth's magnetic field, or "telluric currents" have something to do with the power output you found. But without some kind of control comparison, we have a demonstration, not an experiment, and causality cannot be determined from demonstrations.
Did you try different depths yourself? I am afraid I don't trust much Russian reporting if it's not in peer-reviewed journals, and sometimes not even then. There are some great Russian scientists of course, but there are also more than their fair share of hoaxers, misinterpreters and simple false claimants.
It's not completely off-topic, since Clarence allegedly isn't using the non-contact ground wire any more. But then it isn't really a B&L replication any more, either, is it.
Brad:
Thanks for the correction but it doesn't make any difference. Having the earth ground wire loop a few turns around the secondary high-current captor loop is really nothing more than electronics quackery that doesn't mean anything. It's just like other parts of the circuit are electronics quackery. To tell the truth I was aware that there were three or four variations on the CAD-based schematic and I wasn't willing to spend 10 or 15 minutes trying to figure out which one was a perfect match.
Your comments about the number of grounding rods is not necessarily true. It's just as easily arguable that the number of rods in the setup is never really an issue and it is not a "choke point" for the current flow at all. You can make a reasonable assumption that it's possible that no matter the number of rods, the conductivity through the ground remains very high. For example, if the soil resistance between the two sets of grounding rods varies let's say between 0.4 ohms and 0.8 ohms depending on the number of rods, then it's not going to really make any difference at all. I am making an assumption about the resistance because it never occurred to Clarence to make that measurement, plus he wouldn't know how to make the measurement anyway. As far as Clarence saying that he got more power to the load, I take that all with a huge grain of salt. It's possible that it's a "good story" for the narrative and leave it at that. Even if he did observe more power to the load, it could have been because of another factor, which most likely Clarence would not have been able to distinguish.
There are several caveats here. Firstly, I don't know what the typical resistance would be between sets of grounding rods. I am making an assumption that the rods are at least one meter in length, and the lower parts of the rods make it down to very moist or even water-logged soil. Under those conditions I am making an assumption of less than one ohm, and for all I know it might even be less than 1/10th of an ohm. I really don't know. It's a pretty strange measurement to make, so it might be very hard to find that information, I didn't try. Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth. I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself. However, we can't forget that two sets of grounding rods in soil are at the EXACT SAME GROUND POTENTIAL, and that means they are as dead as a doornail with respect to "extracting power from the ground."
MileHigh
Secondly, I have no idea what kind of soil there is where Clarence is, how wet the soil is, how long his rods are, when did it last rain, and so on and so forth. I read that they said those variables were discussed among the EF members, but not Clarence himself.[/b]
I will attempt to coin a term, "The Housewife-iPad factor."
I worked in computer graphics 25 years ago. A long time ago, but look at something like the iPad. It's just a computer, a graphics subsystem, and a display. Without ever having read about the guts inside an iPad, I still have a pretty good idea about how it works. For me, an iPad is not just a "black box," I have a good feeling for what's inside the box. What applied 25 years ago, still applies today. The chips inside a graphics computer from 25 years ago are very similar to the chips inside an iPad. The chips in the iPad and the underlying processes are just more modern.
But what about a "housewife" that never studied or read about technology? For her, the way an iPad works is so far removed from her experience, that it is almost magic. She hasn't the slightest clue about what's inside an iPad and she has no understanding about how the underlying software works. For her, the only thing she knows is that it works. She doesn't have to know how it works. For her, the inside of the iPad is just "grey mist." The software in the iPad is just "grey mist." Her mind has no frame of reference for even conceptualizing about how the iPad works.
That is the Housewife-iPad factor.
And for many so-called "free energy researchers" and replicators, the Housewife-iPad factor comes into play. It's happening for this replication. BroMikey is seriously affected by the Housewife-iPad factor. Even Clarence is suffering from the Housewife-iPad factor. There is no demonstrated capability to understand or analyze this circuit.
For them it's like the blind leading the blind. For me it's like the Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.
So, anybody that is considering doing a replication has to seriously consider all of these factors. And even more importantly Clarence has to answer the questions. Or just continue sleepwalking...
He didn't have the right light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.
Quote from Ariovaldo:
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.
Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
MileHigh
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.Your libelous fantasy is a truly scurrilous slur. There is not enough money in the universe to pay me to take your Karma.
He didn't have the right light bulb?? You have got to be kidding.
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
Then we have "Phase II." Clarence has some psychological issues and he loves telling big stories and being the center of attention. He can lie about all sorts of things, but when asked to produce hard data that's a line he can't cross. You see, there is "colourful story" lying which in his mind is not really lying at all, and then there is outright lying where you state that you ran tests and recorded hard data but that did not take place. So he can't psychologically cross that line and make an outright lie, hence he avoids the question.
Then you have a real victim, the EF user Totoalas that is going to buy grounding rods and travel in Asia to get parts for a replication. What if he is just a guy of modest means and this is sucking all his money away from his family? Most of the people on EF are reading here. I don't for a second believe that all of you believe Clarence. Yet not a single one of you is advising caution to Totoalas, or even telling him publicly on the EF thread that you don't believe that Clarence's system works. I will remind all of you that it's 100% clear to me that Clarence knows next to nothing about electronics. That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
MileHigh
I will give you a possible explanation for all of this. Barbosa and Leal are criminals. They spent some money to make an advertizing banner and a promotional video clip. The method of operation was to get bank transfers with 100% up-front payment before delivering the device. They live near a junkyard where there are hundreds of old electric motor stators available. When they got an order they would get an old stator, wrap some wire around it, and then put it in a box and then power concrete and gravel into the box like some kind of "lead boot" potting compound.
That makes a lot of you stupid spineless bitches in my book.
Nelson:
So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Enjoykin:
I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.
Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread. You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.
All:
What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?
I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.
What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?
Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?
Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.
Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.
I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars. I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."
And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition. Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.
So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it. Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.
So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about. Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.
This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.
MileHigh
So Clarence has 60 ground rods pushed... not BEATEN, but pushed... into the ground in his yard? I just have one question:
Who mows his lawns?
(That map is interesting. Do you want to be where the field is strong? Then the Upper Peninsula of Michigan looks like where you want to be. I've heard the mosquitoes there are the size of small sparrows. And I do believe it gets rather cold in the winter. But the ice fishing is supposed to be good.)
I think this one has ground rod's :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUZO1v8c7lU
Well, Tink, you seem to have a common problem with the other professional naysayers around here: you don't waste your valuable time to actually read the news. To your obvious total lack of knowing, commonly said, in your ignorance, his lawn mowing is no problem. Clarence ground rods and their wiring are all under the surface of the ground, after installation, according to rules of the land-owner, as plainly written early in this Thread, as any fool could have clearly seen. If literate. :) And if having the common human courtesy of actually reading the Thread before blustering into it like a drunk African bull elephant.
CANGAS 165
And would galvanism explain this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x__NQOtrzf0
Cheers Grum.
Excellent experiment of your son Grum.
What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.
In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.
What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.
Reg.
Enjoykin !!
There are no "longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground" because if that was true we would have heard about it a long time ago.
heard from whom ?? From your grandpa !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Dear Cangas 162 . I'm pleased to see that you also noticed that his attention span appears to be failing .. he is still remembering what he read 20 years ago instead of properly evaluating things put before him. he has become abusive and a lost cause, a complete waste of time and now people don't wish to communicate with him. Most of the questions he asks have been deal with several times, the information is out there and he is too lazy to properly read the posts. sk
tHANK you for thanking me.
My desire here and now is that the Clarence system be given a fair hearing. The facts can show if it is a good thing or a bad thing. I really don't know yet if it is good or bad.
But I do know a lynch mob when I see it, and I dam sure don't like a lynch mob.
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CANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
Skribat: You are the sidekick of wonder.
Both of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"
If you both believe in this quackery, then why don't both of you GO AHEAD AND BUILD IT?
You both are probably on EF also? Why don't you ask Clarence where you put your multimeter probes on his schematic to verify the measurements he talks about? Look at post #1741 to see Clarence's instructions.
You want more information from another high technology free energy company that also leverages battery and inverter technology? They may be able to help you with your builds:
www.magnacoaster.com (http://www.magnacoaster.com)
CANGAS ONE-SIXTY: You are one firey aggressive animal of a man.
Both of you: Have you noticed that Clarence's stock has been sinking fast on EF? If you want to be ahead of the game you should short-sell him. Explain to us how this contraption works? How does it actually work? Please annotate a schematic and post some timing diagrams. There are synchronous AC power supplies in the GROUND? Something like, "There's juice in them thar hills?"Jack, you piqued my interest not because I am convinced of the validity of the Clarence system (I do not know if it works or not), but because you have acted in such a fabulously neurotic and illogical manner to apparently unjustly try to prevent him from fairly airing out his message. I have not been following EF. Unlike you, I am not obsessed with an immature groupie star-fuc*er mind-set. I just want the man and his message to have a fair hearing.
Well, leaving aside the usual script you are following where people who have no evidence for their claims just insult their questioners rather than providing the evidence.... you've answered the question: He has no need to mow because he must have no lawn left! 60 ground rods "pushed not POUNDED" into the ground with tops below the surface, holes drilled by water-drilling, all connected with buried wires linking them to each other and to his "captor" system..... Let's see a photograph of this great muddy mess.
You're hilarious, with your insults and personal attacks. Here's the response you deserve for your eighth-grade insults: "I'm rubber you're glue, bounces off me and sticks to you, nyah nyah nyah..."
If you are having trouble decoding that, it means that your silly insults affect the facts not at all, affect me not at all, and only reflect badly upon your own character.
Nobody is stopping Clarence from saying whatever he wants. Based on his recent behaviour, he would probably have a freak-out if you asked him where to put his multimeter probes to make the measurements that he himself specified.
Reading between your lines, I don't think you believe him either. I think you have enough common sense to know it's crap.
If you could just step back for a second and realize that if he got five people to replicate and rip up their back yards for his bullshit and throw a lot of money away, you might have the guts to say what he is doing is wrong. This is not some guy asking you to build a pulse motor with a junk VCR helical head bearing, it's considerably more than that. It's ultimately just an attempt at social engineering.
You do realize that some people get off on watching other people jump through hoops for a twisted psychological pleasure.
Beyond that, you know that I know enough about this stuff to call it for what it really is - crap. And you know there is a long history of crap around here.
So, you can doubt Clarence, hate me, and respect me all at the same time, silly boy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1zgmM2lalo)
So, you can doubt Clarence, hate me, and respect me all at the same time, silly boy.
Yeah rock on Cangas!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtAsaDKB0eY)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51A6bcMeDY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B51A6bcMeDY)
Channelling Captain Zero now, are you? How does it feel to be a useless sock puppet that can't do his own work, can't provide cogent arguments and can only insult people instead of providing something of substance? I laugh at you.
Well, Tink, you have convinced ME that you really have a silly bitch-mouth! You must be really impressive to all the silly bitches you normally associate with.
Obviously your present silly bitch-mouthing is a ploy to divert from the fact that you completely overlooked the fact that Clarence explained his situation, you completely missed his message, you complained about his lack of information, and now, your pitiful bloated narcissistic ego is desperate to focus attention on something other than your own failure.
G'day
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Channelling Captain Zero now, are you? How does it feel to be a useless sock puppet that can't do his own work, can't provide cogent arguments and can only insult people instead of providing something of substance? I laugh at you.
You cannot refute me with _facts and evidence_ so you follow the same script as all the rest of the False Claimants: you descend into pottymouth playground insults that would sound silly coming from an eighth-grader, but merely sound hilariously pitiful coming from you.
Cangas:
So you are a big tough guy, is that it? Defender of the Universe and all that stuff? Are you fearless?
Do you possess basic electronics common sense, yes or no?
Have a look at the attached graphic. You see the coiled neutral wire that wraps around the captor secondary where I have it labeled, "This coiled wire is electronics quackery."
Do you agree with that statement? Will you show us your manhood and step up to the plate and speak your mind fearlessly?
MileHigh
Experiment triumphs over theory EVERY SINGLE TIME.
I became interested in the B&L device primarily because I was looking for a current source, the basics of this is current. I wound up a toroid and with a little experimentation I found I could generate 400 amps with a mere 15 watt input - beautiful - with some nichrome strands I should be able to heat water with very little energy.
MH
Quote
if Truly Know what you are doing.....
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reminds me of the Kentucky farmer when I asked for directions
""Son you Can't get there from here""
in this case quite true..they don't teach this today so "Knowing what your doing"
is a matter of great interpretation...
Doing stupid stuff like using Bamboo [GEEESE]... well personally
I would never say never.....
and we all know that we don't live in the clouds so harvesting energy from there is a bit ruff
however we all walk on the other side of that big circuit potential the Ground.
never say never...
I also have to differ with you as regards Bedini motors. My successful Bedini Cole window motor ran continuously on the same single battery for 3 months. The battery in question was a nearly " Knackered " Yuasa 12 V 7 ah Gel cell. It never lost a millivolt, stayed at 8.6 V continuous!! For me though, it did not serve any useful purpose other than to rotate. There was no free lunch !!
@Grum:
You may find this page of interest:
http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html (http://lygte-info.dk/info/Internal%20impedance%20UK.html)
Also, as you must surely know, the open-circuit or lightly loaded terminal voltage of a battery is _not_ a good indicator of the state of charge of the battery. It's too bad you didn't perform a real load-test of your Bedini battery, before and after running the motor (A True Experiment, instead of just a demonstration.)
I already provided the figures for my particular experiment. At 20 vdc we had a current of 0.07 A, which by ohms law gives a value of 285.7 ohms.
Nap Time...... 8)
Does anybody have any suggestions on a signal generator that can do what this one doesAny function generator capable of over 20MHz output will be similarly pricey. For a 100MHz 2-channel AWG this is actually surprisingly cheap.
[or better]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596)
the above is a bit over present budget.
used or otherwise?
all suggestions welcome [it would be going to the UK]
thanks
Chet K
Does anybody have any suggestions on a signal generator that can do what this one does
[or better]
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rigol-DG4102-Signal-Arbitrary-Waveform-Generator-AWG-100MHz-2Channel-LCD-Display-/201081553596)
the above is a bit over present budget.
used or otherwise?
all suggestions welcome [it would be going to the UK]
thanks
Chet K
While Dragon has surprised me by posting even that much, it should be clear that the circuit diagram above is _not_ complete. There is no indication of the turn count on the "primary" of the toroid. Nothing about toroid material. Nothing is indicated about the _input_ to the inverter, the inverter type (make and model), or how the input and output power measurements were done.
One of the basic requirements of the scientific reporting of "experiments" or even patent applications is that the information should enable someone "skilled in the art" to reproduce the experiment or device and (potentially, no pun intended) to get the same results as claimed. There isn't enough information in Dragon's diagram to do that.
I'd like to know the make and model of the inverter. Is it possible that the measurements are of _reactive power_ circulating in the output loop?
Worse I think, you might find the 400 amps is just the measured current circulating in a shorted few turns, and I think the primary would be the 120 volt input winding of a step down transformer, just like in the B&L setup. Anyone can do that.
..
Chet:
I have been looking at this one for a while: ($125.00)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20Mhz-Dual-ch-DDS-Function-Arbitrary-Waveform-Signal-Generator-sweep-Software-/121478479995)
I might have to get the 12 Mhz one for $60.00 as money is still tight over here.
TK can check the specs and tell you if it is any good. Obviously Chinese but today, what isn't?
Bill
I can show you 400 amps with only about 8 to 10 watts input. But the 400 amps isn't output is it ? If it was it would be associated with voltage and power value, the 400 amps is just a measured value in the setup. If anyone puts a couple of turns of thick wire around a toroid that has a 220 to 240 volt primary winding on it they can also see some 400 amps or so of current on the wire. It doesn't mean anything. The output power or the energy dissipated in/from the load compared to the input power is what matters. 400 amps so what ? What of it ? What was the load and what was the voltage across the load ? Not to mention those things is leading people up the path.
Speaking of Zero Milehigh.
that's about how much experience you have looking for ways to harvest energy from
the ground.
My money is on the experimenters finding something long before the fellows that don't even look.
2 Turns, 1/0 gauge, watt meter on the inverter. Xantrex prowatt SW 600. Lets see, aprox 1 ft of 1/0 on the torroid and 16 ft of 1/0 on the coil form making 8 turns. 400 amp reading on the 1ft 2 turn shorted, With the 8 turn connected to the secondary a 50 amp reading on the wire, 50 amps x 8 turns = 400 Amp/T
I don't understand the trivial questions.... ?
And I bet a lot of you that bitch and whine about me actually "secretly" want to read me, perhaps some of you are even serious and avid readers. Part of that is because a big "let's always agree with each other" club gets boring pretty damn fast.
Endless discussions of the mechanics of how to build a hypothetical Clarence setup with not a single shred of evidence that it even works first is silly, and farking boring. Not to mention I called you guys out because you were "skipping" trying to probe Clarence about how it actually works first. And some of you may have been in denial, claiming that you were having a valid productive discussion when you weren't. What's the point of talking about how to build something when you don't even know how it allegedly works. Some of you may try to claim that you were having a technical discussion with Clarence. I call bullshit, you were having nothing more than an anecdotal technical discussion with Clarence with only skimpy, vague details. Did any of you ask him where to put a pair of multimeter probes to verify "the effect." I am willing to bet you the answer is no. From multiple sources now, including me, you have been told that Clarence is not capable of having a legitimate technical discussion.
When somebody disagrees for a valid reason and starts a real debate, then it gets interesting - admit it.
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You really do sound so foolish .. what do you think gives you the right to sit in judgement on others and at the same time be so blind to your own failings ... as for ' how his device actually works' .. he did indeed explain how it actually works, just as others have ..maybe that was your 'day off' in fact the device is actually being analysed and explained in other places by people far more knowledgable than yourself, the conclusion .. that it is perfectly feasable and has been known about for a long time. It does however cover subject matter about which on your own admission you have little or no knowledge.
As for getting on Clarence's case because in your opinion he doesn't speak your technical language ... the same might apply to Tesla .. there was not the technical language in his time, no ohms law or multimeter .. and let's not leave out Tesla's other great failing, his autism. ... and of course he was a bum living on the streets, he didn't have a pot to P**ss in and he died in poverty. There have been others like Tesla a more modern equivalent Dollard, another incompetent underdog who had everything and threw it all away I suppose .. he also has spent much of his life not being able to hold a technical discussion with people on your level .. maybe .. if you spent a little more time away from your cupboard and your keyboard you might be a little more successful in keeping up .. although you have toned down your language a bit you are still bad-mouthing someone because you don't understand what they are doing .. perhaps you should sit back and reflect on the situation a little more .. you are not god's gift to humanity .. and putting yourself on a pedestal will not gain you the adoration of the people. you need to get out a bit and see what's going on. just because YOU don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there.
the conclusion .. that it is perfectly feasable and has been known about for a long time.
...he doesn't speak your technical language ... the same might apply to Tesla .. there was not the technical language in his time, no ohms law or multimeter .. and let's not leave out Tesla's other great failing, his autism. ... and of course he was a bum living on the streets, he didn't have a pot to P**ss in and he died in poverty.
In the 1850s, Ohm's law was known as such and was widely considered proved, and alternatives, such as "Barlow's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barlow%27s_law)", were discredited, in terms of real applications to telegraph system design, as discussed by Samuel F. B. Morse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_F._B._Morse) in 1855.[11]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm%27s_law#History
The first moving-pointer current-detecting device was the galvanometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanometer) in 1820. These were used to measure resistance and voltage by using a Wheatstone bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheatstone_bridge), and comparing the unknown quantity to a reference voltage or resistance. While useful in the lab, the devices were very slow and impractical in the field. These galvanometers were bulky and delicate. The D'Arsonval/Weston (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Arsonval_galvanometer) meter movement used a fine metal spring to give proportional measurement rather than just detection, and built-in permanent field magnets made deflection independent of the orientation of the meter. Instead of balancing a bridge, values could be directly read off the instruments's scale, which made measurement quick and easy. By adding a series or shunt resistor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shunt_resistor), more than one range of voltage or current could be measured with one movement.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimeter#History
Multimeters were invented in the early 1920s as radio receivers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_receiver) and other vacuum tube (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_tube) electronic devices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_device) became more common. The invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention) of the first multimeter is attributed to British Post Office engineer, Donald Macadie (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donald_Macadie&action=edit&redlink=1), who became dissatisfied with having to carry many separate instruments required for the maintenance of the telecommunications (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunication) circuits.[1] Macadie invented an instrument which could measure amperes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amperes) (amps), volts and ohms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm), so the multifunctional meter was then named Avometer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avometer).[2] The meter comprised a moving coil meter, voltage and precision resistors, and switches and sockets to select the range.
Macadie took his idea to the Automatic Coil Winder and Electrical Equipment Company (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Automatic_Coil_Winder_and_Electrical_Equipment_Company&action=edit&redlink=1) (ACWEEC, founded in ~1923).[2] The first AVO was put on sale in 1923, and many of its features remained almost unaltered through to the last Model 8.
Pocket watch style meters were in widespread use in the 1920s, at much lower cost than Avometers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avometer). The metal case was normally connected to the negative connection, an arrangement that caused numerous electric shocks. The technical specifications of these devices were often crude, for example the one illustrated has a resistance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance) of just 33 ohms per volt, a non-linear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear) scale and no zero adjustment.
Starting in 1934, the Westinghouse Electric & Manufacturing Company began paying Tesla $125 per month as well as paying his rent at the Hotel New Yorker, expenses the Company would pay for the rest of Tesla's life.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Later_years_.281918.E2.80.931943.29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla#Later_years_.281918.E2.80.931943.29)
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On 7 January 1943, Tesla, 86, died alone in room 3327 of the New Yorker Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Yorker_Hotel). His body was later found by maid Alice Monaghan after she had entered Tesla's room, ignoring the "do not disturb" sign that Tesla had placed on his door two days earlier.
It is true that this is being investigated at a much higher level than this prestigious establishment.
It is also true that MH has Done absolutely No experiments here and has no knowledge whatsoever of what would or would not cause energy to inter from a ground array.
perhaps this will be the example which will be "sited" in the near future ,one thing is certain
there is a TREMENDOUS amount of potential energy beneath our feet.
have Tariel . B+L, Clarence or others figured a simple method to put it to work at little or no cost ??
Who Knows ..of one thing I am certain MH
you certainly don't .
And I am also of the opinion that it would probably look ridiculous to the text book when it does happen
Rosch is a complete fake. See Overunity.DE. See Stefan's comments to Sterling.
MH
You have real issues calling people LIARS with out Hard evidence.
I've often told you this is quite Risky and dangerous behavior .
and you retort that saying such is a threat...??
not at all a threat ,just very risky behavior...we can't even write Bedini's name at
OUR Forum because Peter was threatened with a lawsuit because of mostly your Risky
behavior .
how many times you gonna throw those dice in somebody elses house.
where THEY have to pay for YOUR risky behavior..?
that One example should have been a big wake up call....
and similar things have happened here with other "Risky business"[lawsuits threatened]
And Grum seems to be a really nice guy. But he is not "doing experiments about energy coming up from the ground" or however you worded that. He is just making observations that you can measure a voltage when you stick some metal rods into the ground.I am not making this posting to start a brawl. Just giving you things as I see them. It doesn't mean that there are not any more possible discoveries or innovations, it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
Let me put it this way: Without ever having done it, and without ever having given it much thought, and without ever having seriously contemplated doing it, I would expect to measure some voltage if I stuck two similar metal rods in the ground.
it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.
MileHigh
Electrons will love this system. Send a few down the hole setting up more or less a static field and as the system is called upon not only will the electrons you sent down the hole come back, but more will piggy back from these processes.
I do not know what the value is by proportion but the requirement is to send a small amount down the holes to stimulate the cultivation of electron collection.
Hartmann grid: http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html (http://erdmagnetfeld.pimath.de/global_grids.html)
Another stupid thing to say, with a stupid nonsensical link.
The Royal Commission concluded that five of the major fires that it investigated were started
by powerlines
2
. In its July 2010 Final Report, the Royal Commission concluded that
3
:
The SWER and 22kV distribution networks constitute a high risk for bushfire ignition,
along with other risks posed by the ageing of parts of the networks and the particular
limitations of SWER lines.
The Royal Commission made 67 recommendations, of which eight (Recommendations 27 –
34) relate to reducing the likelihood of powerlines starting catastrophic bushfires. These
recommendations have been accepted by the Victorian Government.
Pop quiz no Googling: If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?
Bzzzzzt!
You can only dream that if you had Manuela on your side...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsyEMFYsus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmsyEMFYsus)
Farmhand:
That is a very unfortunate story. Note that regular power lines could also short with trees and cause fires.
The real issue is that it was a design and/or implementation or verification or maintenance failure and a person or persons could be legally liable and subject to criminal prosecution. Somebody signed off on a drawing and then it was implemented in the field. Presumably this was a civil or electrical engineer. They also had to visit the site and approve the construction and sign off on that also. Then there is a maintenance log book somewhere.
I am just making assumptions and I am not going to look up the story. But people were the true source of the problem.
MileHigh
Pop quiz no Googling: If there is a break in a long distance transmission line, how do you find it?
The way I see it, the earth return is adding energy to the load. It's coiled around the #4 AWG to modulate and attract energy from the ground.
At the most this coiled earth return could be thought of as a current transformer but it would be wrong in this device because its working with a different form of current called the B-EMF. The B-EMF current behaves not at all like the current we know.
I connected a 100 Watt light bulb between the secondary loop wire, which is connected directly to the inverter hot wire, and the inverter neutral. The inverter output power went up from 20 Watts to about 117 Watts. I could not measure or see any difference at all whether I had the earth ground wire connected or not. It seems to do absolutely nothing, which when wired in the way it is shown in the patent doc it is not really surprising that it has no effect.
So when everything was connected exactly as Barbosa and Leal showed as one possible configuration in their patent diagram, it just doesn't seem to do anything out of the ordinary.
BUT I did set the G3 aside in favor of the much more impressive effect that he demonstrated in "G1 load test #2" video. In which G1 system was demonstrated as being 'self looped' to power an LED from the BEMF PLUS system voltage was RISING from 13vdc to 13.1, 13.2...
This was a VERY impressive demonstration and I bought a G1 SPECIFICALLY to REPLICATE that effect...
Only to discover MUCH later the lithium battery pack he mentioned in the video (and he said would be replaced with another capacitor) was NOT merely wired in parallel with the capacitor power supply. It was set up to operate as a portable regulated power supply.
Which of course, in itself is quite capable of causing system voltage to rise and it does appear that not only did I spend a lot of money to replicate an effect that was false and misleading; this endeavor has wasted ALL of our time and placed me in a VERY difficult position after I have already defended Mike on the OU forum and all those people there as well.
See: Gyroscopic Inertia Generator
And as soon as I discovered this fact (hidden regulated power supply) I realized that my trust in this company had been totally betrayed and broken.
And when I started asking the hard questions about these things; he decided to become 'offended' and is now concealing the video evidence from our view...
Then I subsequently discovered that an Itallian has had similar experiences with not being able to replicate the effect in the video and who also received negative responses in Mike's email and who also produced his own G1 video-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzVd4d130c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmzVd4d130c)
And now here you are talking about similar experiences at which point we now have three witnesses and I do wonder how many more are there?
Performance of 4 rods yielded 114 volts to bulb
Performance of 3 rods dropped voltage to 108
Performance of 2 rods dropped voltage to 82
Performance of 1 rod dropped voltage to 47.
MH
EXACTLY
See these days you would never be able to bring a such a wonderful product like that to market...
safety this and safety that.. heck most of the products I grew up
with would be out lawed today...[I even think their trying to outlaw Bazooka Bubble gum...
SOooo
did you field test it yet ?
does it come with a remote control [I'll press the button for yah... ;D ...]
incase your Chicken..
I triple Dog dare yah
What should Clarence do? If we were in the driver's seat and we were in project management, what should we have him do?
For me the answer is very obvious. He is in North America, he has 120 VAC mains. All that he needs to do is connect one 100-watt incandescent light bulb to the output and run a one-month test. I have already mentioned this before. He can record basic data while he runs the test. His experience and skill level is low, so just have him record some simple stuff. The battery voltage, the AC voltage across the light bulb, the date and time, etc. Take pictures of the setup, and the setup in operation. Take pictures of the grounding rod array.
@MH: I think your switch is in backwards. Hint: When switch is ON, bulb should be LIT.
Try plugging the cord into one of the outlets, maybe it'll work right then.
what happened with tread ,why stop from 30.4
Perhaps something to hope for and get some talk started about this !? ;)
R-Walker Free Energy Self-sustaining Electric Motor Bike from Mexico
https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs (https://youtu.be/z_dxUgOTVOs)
After 5 months running time off of the same battery? So, when does it become not self sustaining?
"Notice that the students said they have gone five months without discharging the battery."
The rest is speculation. As that also means, that they ran it for that long without ever having to do any additional charging.
Time will tell.
But, why do we need to assume something doesn't work as shown, until it's proven that it does.
Can't we just take it with a grain of sand until proven one way or the other?
Thank you all for the replies, highly appreciated ;)
I will stick to my old idea using compressed air that seems to be for the moment realistic and as you can see in the link already proven to work although not by not using electricity but powering it directly witch is OK but then you have to buy their motor and it is not a bicycle !
http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html (http://media.drive.com.au/cars/car-news/motorbike-that-runs-on-air-2797531.html)
I would like to use AIR as temporarily storage capacity for electric energy as there is an enormous amount of energy available for example going downhill and mostly lost ! Yes I know regenerative braking but it is only a small amount that go's back because batteries are to slow unless they will release this new aluminum batteries !
In terms of my bike project will try to use a small combination of lithium batteries & capacitors (boostcap) & a small compressed air motor-generator that provided more then 1KW electric power on demand in real time using previous mentioned setup that will only be used as buffer to run a 5KW HUB motor ! Hoping to have some budget for this by selling my Jeep ;D as it is here just standing most of the time ! These days a carbon FAT-BIKE are not that cheap even getting the frame from China!
Anyway will be posting my findings here that's for sure. carpediem :)
https://twitter.com/thevoice4you_
One way of using air is by providing a weather forecast that allows the bike to charge air when air temperature
is in the cold part of the day then recharge the battery when air temperature is high the difference in
temperature translates to a difference in pressure. This method was in use in mining air powered trains
during late 1800's
..S..MarkSCoffman
"Notice that the students said they have gone five months without discharging the battery."
The rest is speculation. As that also means, that they ran it for that long without ever having to do any additional charging.
Time will tell.
But, why do we need to assume something doesn't work as shown, until it's proven that it does?
Can't we just take it with a grain of sand until proven one way or the other?
You ever wonder how long it will take before even Tesla car/house batteries are a thing of the past? And, no batteries needed, becoming the thing of the present.
Hi all this might be the real deal ! 8)
https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug (https://youtu.be/mB1Wtve7aug)
Hah, you're funny. THE BATTERIES ARE NEVER DISCONNECTED. So we have Yet Another "Looping" Free Energy Device that won't work unless it has two big BATTERIES connected to it! And as usual the claimant Marc Belanger is making all kinds of false claims in the video. In a seven minute video taken with a cellphone.
Sit back, Marc, and let's see if the thing is still running after 24 hours. It won't be, the batteries will be flat and it won't continue to run.
The guy is another blowhard "Saviour of Mankind" with his "PELEX" device that he won't be releasing to the public. How nice of him to worry about the billion people his device would put out of work. Of course he's not worried at all about the thousands of innocent children who starve to death or die from dysentery EVERY DAY because they can't get access to clean water or good food. People like this make me sick.
guys, did anyone succeed in replicating this?
if yest , i would need their help in my project feel free to contact me thru pm or here
Let's do a short-circuit the loop to set its current equal to 100A.
In this case, in the core is formed three fluxes.
In accordance to Lenz's law the fluxes Ф3 and Ф2 acts against the each other but also flux Ф3 is consistent with the flux Ф1 and besides Ф3>>Ф2.
It is ALL.
We cheated Lenz's Law.
Let's do a short-circuit the loop to set its current equal to 100A.
In this case, in the core are formed three fluxes.
In accordance to Lenz's law the fluxes Ф3 and Ф2 acts against the each other but also the "magic" flux Ф3 is consistent with the flux Ф1 and besides Ф3>>Ф2.
It is ALL secret of Barbosa.
We cheated Lenz's Law. without a ground connection.
I have cheated third Newton's Law in 2011 :)
The trafo alone also 15 real watts power factor allways 1.Hi,
From the hot phase ('+') to the neutral?
I have problems opening the file DSC00304.zip
Can you explain why you think there is a third flux.
Where would we connect the load in your diagram?
Hi,My pics:
I faced with a similar situation at the beginning of my research.
I have some question to You.
1) How much consumes trafo without the shorted loop?
->1.09 Watts / 1.37 VA with 232Volts primary
2) What is the current value in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
-> I= 'VA' / Volts = 0.0059 A
3) What is the power factor in idling mode of trafo (without the shorted loop)?
-> cosPhi = 1.09 Watts/ 1.37 VA = 0,79 (bad core material ?!)
4) What is the value of the core area (in cm2)?
-> 3,2cm * 3,4cm = 10,88 cm^2
5) What is the current value in the shorted loop ?
-> clamp meter mot available , but I ordered one today
6) How many turns are in pimary coil?
-> 2199/6 = 232 / 0,633 -> 2199 prim wind.
7) Where is placed the shorted loop on the core?
-> see DSC00304_orig.JPG
All these factors are essential.
At first You should get a "roaring" transformer without a load (but with a shorted loop).
Best regards.
The trafo can be disassembled and rewound, but the trafo steel is pretty bad .
CosPhi should be closed to zero ?!
hy Yuri what s the special ou can get I have try for months winding and rewind nanocristal amourfus core Hitachi ,with good driver all frequency , not really lot ou coming were is the cat ?
Dear TheCell
There is below the picture of my first OU-trafo that I was tested a month ago.
As You can see it is almost as in yours case (maximum power) BUT
You need to reduce turn number of the inductor.....
I received the clamp meter yesterday.
In the shorted loop I have measured 125A.
<You need to reduce turn number of the inductor...>
is the cable loop just like a battery cable and what size thanks
Size is defined by the temperature that should be not more than 40-50oC
To understand how this "magic-loop" creates “Anti-Lenz effect”, I offer to redraw the "BarboGen" ones more time with no shorted loop - Fig.6.
As you can see into the core, there are two fluxes Ф1 and Ф2 directed toward each other.
Flux Ф1 is equal to Ф1 = u*I1*400 (turns)*S/L
Flux Ф2 is equal to Ф2 = u*I1*1 (turn)*S/L
where u - magnetic permeability;
S - core section (cm2);
L- the length of the magnetic circuit.
Clarence:
In the realm of circuits an alleged over unity systems, measurements are king. No measurements and you have nothing. But whenever anybody asks you to make measurements you just scowl and then run away.
So, there is no "HA! HA!"
MileHigh
Yall are STILL dwadling along with NO results!!! SO here's another HA! HA! for you!!!!!
I am not dwadling about anything at all. You are just being infantile, trying to pretend that I have to build something. The fact is that I don't have to build something.
You are being non responsive about your lack of measurements when measurements are king and mean everything. No measurements and you've got nothing.
HA! HA! AGAIN ! SLAP a meter on that one!
measure-ments are NOT king-ONLY RESULTS! HA! HA!
Hello, I'm trying to replicate the Barbosa Leal (energy from the ground) circuit, but I've a problem. When I try to switch on the load connected to the output of the circuit, the automatic protection circuit from home switches off like when you do a short-circuit.
What can be causing this?
Here there is the schematic I'm using
But in the beginning you are correct, use 60 rods was the instruction
and the output was enough to power many things. If you look back in
the record you will see that the refrigerator ran for about 5 hours at
times and the battery would begin to discharge some. He would stop
the system and charge it so he didn't destroy the battery and repeat
the process over and over again getting excellent runtime powering
devices all day. No grid power, only a battery and sinewave inverter
as the source and I am sure you knew that.
User2718218 (https://www.youtube.com/user/User2718218) 4 months ago
Djarno, I am MileHigh on overunity.com.
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He has YouTube channel account that hides his Mile High Identity,
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What is in that pic THAT IS WRONG !!
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I do not know if you have seen this video in youtube. See the picture please. It is in spanish (i know spanish). This guy saysthat the schematic needs a capacitor to make possible to work, and the output is about 600 ampers.Frank,
Analysis of Electron Capture Apparatus Barbosa/Leal
by Wilson RoaTrans. Bob Smith
Below is my Spanish-to-English translation of explanation by YT user Hibridor (Wilson Roa) of the B&L Electron Captor posted with his YouTube video entitled, Análisis Captor de Electrones Barbosa/Leal - Wilson Roa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQEqzJmSsY
My document research and experiments bring me to the conclusion that Barbosa and Leal’s “Captor of Electrons” is based in the technology of Tesla’s spark gap and in the short circuit winding of William Barbat. I have also concluded that this setup performs three functions to deliver the final result:
1. ELEVATE THE VOLTAGE,
2. RAISE THE FREQUENCY,
3. LOWER THE VOLTAGE AND DELIVER WORKING ELECTRICITY FOR USEFUL OUTCOMES.
1. ELEVATE THE VOLTAGE: The setup that we see in the form of a transformer, referred to as an Electron Trap, is precisely this: a simple transformer. This same [transformer] accomplishes the function of Raising the Voltage of the System.
A first inductor winding is coiled in the transformer, both terminals of this winding are connected to the cables for Current Entry from the power utility. A second winding of very thick multi-stranded copper is coiled in the transformer with very few turns (from 1 to 3 turns). The terminals of this second winding are connected with one another in short circuit fashion, forming a closed loop.
Upon being supplied, the transformer, by way of the induction winding (Primary), there is generated in the Closed Loop (Secondary) a notable increase in amperage (Not in its voltage). This increase will depend on various factors: the quantity of turns in the inductor winding, the size of the transformer core, the thickness and material comprising the closed loop cable.
All the electron current which transits the short circuited winding or Closed Loop is kept in permanent circulation, an action which backfeeds the magnetic field of the transformer, and at the same time, generates a return induction (Self induction) to the same inductor winding (primary), provoking a raising of voltage in the primary winding.
2. RAISING THE FREQUENCY.
To take advantage of the high voltage generated, a High Tension Suppressor (VCL-Slim) is inserted into the Line cable (also called Potential or Positive) at the entry of the circuit.
This mechanism discharges the High Tension to a Thick Ground Cable (not obligatory to run cable to ground as Nikola Tesla explained in his patent 462,418), when the High Tension voltage exceeds the nominal capacity of the VCL-Slim, in the same way that a Spark Gap performs when the circuit voltage exceeds the dielectric capacity that separates its two points.
Given that the Closed Loop generates a stable Self-induction, the High Tension in the primary winding is stable as well. If the High Tension in the primary winding is stable and furthermore exceeds the nominal capacity of the VCL-Slim, then the discharge to ground will be constant and of high frequency.
In this system, the VCL-Slim is no longer a Passive mechanism (which is eventually activated to discharge a high tension which appears once in a while). Now it is an Active mechanism which discharges into a high tension in a Constant manner. This is an active component of the system, and in addition one of its fundamental key parts.
3. LOWER THE VOLTAGE AND DELIVER WORKING ELECTRICITY FOR USE.
To complete this action, one must measure the existing voltage between the Line cable (also called Potential or Positive) at the transformer input and the ground cable. We will take note that there is a high voltage (the same which generates the high tension). To continue, - with the system shut off – a third cable is connected (in the case of the BL Captor, consisting in various lines) to the input line to the transformer (potential or positive) and winds itself around the transformer to lower the desired voltage level. The far end of this cable will be connected to the output hookup [socket] together with another cable connected to the ground.
End of story.
“Knowing that relative truths exist, I recognize that I am a relatively mistaken man. Starting from this same fact, I seek the truth in everyone who claims to possess it.”
Hi everybody!!
Could somebody of you tell me if the barbosa and leal device is overunity???
I do not know if somebody of you could sucessful replicate it
THE WHOLE SOB DOES WHAT IT WAS SAID IT COULD DO!The following is a quote from a short 10 page PDF document I put together called 'A historical account of Clarence’s replication of the B&L devices.pdf'
I have Had it pulling energy from the ground up tp 9.8AMPS.
all of this while the KAW meter only shows 0.07 amps supplied from the mains and at 5.4 watts.
At first I thought it was a faulty KAW so I dug out the others and tried Four more of them - they all read the same.
I have run a floor fan, my microwave, my smart charger charging my battery banks, all at the same time - still NO CHANGE ON THE INPUT FROM THE MAINs- 0.07 amps at 5.4 watts.
I was just standing there dumbfounded.
All this time the # 12 wraps on the toroid only showed .5 amps with never changing!.
Mains Performance:Shouldn't we all be retracing Clarence's steps from HERE?
#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - ‘18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!’
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - ‘loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip’
#1746 10-21-2017, 10:05 PM - ‘I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter was ALWAYS very low. Be it Known AS LUC said that even the MINIMAL system Resistance WILL drop the system voltage as more loads are added.’
Current setup for 120 Vac. using 5 watts input from utility, (0.04 amps) and getting 2000 watts output, (24.5 amps) from the device, then the input plug circuit breaker trips open. To go over +20 amps output will need a higher rated circuit breaker.
I have put up to 37 AMP LOAD on a 20 amp wall
socket for the unit I am still using DAILY. The watt reading shown on the KAW meter
was ALWAYS very low.
#1549 08-07-2017, 11:34 PM - ‘18.8 amps out for .07 amps in is quite an increase!’
#1551 08-08-2017, 12:55 AM - ‘loaded my setup with loads equaling 26 + amps on a
wall plug outlet only rated for 20 amps MAX - no breaker trip’
#1559 08-08-2017, 06:41 AM 'this thing will blow your mind away! I had even considered going to my sons shop and dragging his small AC welder over to my house and adding it to the loads I was running. I wanted to get to 30 amps or more to push the limit but I only reached 26 + amps from the Ground.'
#1584 08-09-2017, 06:37 PM
My ground grid is only 4 grounding rods which I'm hoping is the problem. In the past(as a test) I've used 14" galvanised nails to add to the grid (with alligator leads) to see if energy increases with more rods. Well it does add more energy as I added more nails.
So my ole friend help me out here. Should I add more grounding rods to my grid? That's the only difference in our setups. I remember you had 60 or so rods. Are you using that many now?
#1585 08-09-2017, 08:20 PM
Yes, that probably is the problem ole friend. After all this is an energy from the ground devise.
Also, I am using the 60 ground rods.
Here is an important note for all members , ... Barbosa and Cleriston Leal ... about the ground rods ... answered by sayingthe the minimum shoudbe somewhere around 26 rods
#1570 08-08-2017, 06:43 PM:)
First, it is an (Almost) exact duplicate of Ariovaldo's schematic. I even followed the color code on the wires as close as possible.
Second, most people would just say that's only a damn ground loop to avoid the meter. In a way it is and in a way it ISN"T.
...Any way, each member can look at it the way they want and make their own decision.
#1610 08-10-2017, 11:07 PM
Yeah, the only thing the Utility grid powers is the Two toroids, and that only amounts to .07 Amps. Every thing else does come from the ground.
#1728 10-20-2017, 04:25 AM
The load Amperage comes via ground - It is NOT provided by the
HOT connection through the 20 amp rated wall socket - that is why
HIGH AMP loads can be achieved WITHOUT going through the Mains
METER.
it is pure Tesla
Not sure
Maybe, Nikola Tesla electric car is powered by this battery electrons Captor from the Air? Who knows
This is the most plausible, cost effective home free energy setup to me.
Anyone messin about with this?