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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1745733 times)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1410 on: April 10, 2015, 04:25:37 PM »
Hey Bill

Have you ever seen a grown man naked billy? (from the parody airplane) ... err wrong question... have you ever said something and in retrospect been in awe of our own words which we didn't really understand at the time they were spoken?.


What is free energy when all energy is inherently free?, at which point we might ask who owns it if we must reduce energy to the petty quite human construct of money?, does someone own the Sun?... well no that is absurd and yet all life and for the most part energy does relate to our Sun which is in fact a star. So what is Energy really?.Well if we had no Sun, our star, then there would be no life on Earth and it would be a cold,dark.dead planet so life may relate to proximity to Energy in the form of a star.


It is a strange thing Energy?, I mean I have spoken with hundreds of people about Energy but when I ask them what it is they wreak of fear because they have no conception of what it is fundamentally. Personally I have found it is easier to simply do away with this faulty construct which was never actually understood by anyone. Energy is in everything everywhere in every space we know of thus it is the norm not the exception to some misguided rule by people who obviously do not understand what it is. There s no overunity nor is there free energy bound to the misguided construct of trade relating to money. The universe outside this delusional little planet we call Earth has no conception of the construct of value, trade nor money thus the term "free" has no weight. 


Thus in the big picture one can only conclude... were all screwed up. Delusional petty little beings clinging to faulty beliefs so we don't have to deal with the truth that were just another backwater planet revolving around a slowly dying star. But were so much more than that aren't we?, all the hoopla and grandeur of people with an IQ about the same as there shoe size as we screw away our children's future.... we will simply adapt to the result of our own stupidity.


Me I want to opt out of the human race, I digress, I give up because we are a losing proposition. It has literally nothing to do with Energy because even if it was free we would find some way to screw it up. It will require a drastic change in perspective, a change in the way we see our place in this universe. It is like asking a psychopath to change their wicked ways when they have no inclination to do so. Free energy is not our salvation when it still amounts to giving a retard a loaded gun. It is what it is any way you want to spin it in my opinion.


AC

Good day AC

I don't usually post just to post something.......... but you *hit the nail on the head*.

I concur 110%.

take care, peace
lost_bro

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1411 on: April 10, 2015, 04:26:42 PM »
At least cold fusion has an unexplained and not understood hypothetical proposed mechanism for the production of excess heat.  It's not a free energy claim.  Unfortunately, Rossi is a poster boy for how to not go about making a claim.  Between the imaginary automated factories, the huge gaffe about mass-energy conversion that even a smart high school student would not make, and the total failure to let 100% independent third parties verify the claim, Rossi is seemingly just treading water.

Somebody else, not Rossi, needs to verify the claims in a 100% transparent, 100% credible manner.  I am just talking in generalities because I don't really follow LENR in great detail.  I look at it almost in a way I look at "breakthrough battery technology."  Every month there is some kind of "miracle battery" being discussed in a press release, but none of these miracle batteries ever make it into production.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1412 on: April 10, 2015, 04:34:35 PM »
The busy with lights wizard is going to have a rigor mortis when he finds out thousands of people have already shown a load/no-load watt meter reading.

Note to self: May be too much for Mr.Wizard to understand this when he cannot make out between a captor and transformer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw
JR member-your an idiot.
You have no idea as to what myself and others have been doing with this circuit.
The captor is rubbish-it's a nothing transformer. When you build one and show me the wonders hidden within,then maybe i will start to take note of your dribble. Until then cupcake,put up or shut up.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1413 on: April 10, 2015, 04:40:31 PM »
Yes, I wonder who will be the first to report a battery explosion... I hope they take a video, that will be fun to watch.
At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.
My standard battery charge put in 4 amp's @ 13.4 volts-and no bang. So 2 watts in isnt going to make fire works,i wouldnt think. :D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1414 on: April 10, 2015, 04:43:03 PM »
Tinsel
yes some get a chance to have life experience ..and others don't get the privilege of growing old.
Myself being trained in Aircraft [Just one of "your" many skills] playing next to a screaming  prop
winging by your ears ,,,well you pick up a certain mind set ,or ...?

so you do have that edge..

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respectfully

Chet

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1415 on: April 10, 2015, 04:45:41 PM »
Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...

"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement.  It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from.  We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms.

The problem is that the pitch is always, "It's not over unity, the 'open system' is just getting energy from some new unknown energy source."  That is a total cop-out because for years and years this statement is made for so many unproven alleged over unity systems.

You saw my marked up diagram showing the five points where you can measure the power flows?  Why did I do that?  It's because if you follow the power flows then you should be able to see where the "excess energy enters the system."  You don't even have to detect the mysterious elusive "unknown form of energy."  All that you have to do is measure exactly where it manifests itself in electrical form in your circuit.   You should literally be able to measure say a coil and say, "Look, here is my measurement of 50 watts going into the 'magic' coil, and here is my measurement of 100 watts coming out of the 'magic' coil, this must be the entry point for the unexplained energy.  But you never see that.  Real voltage and current waveforms, in and out.

You should be able to pinpoint exactly where this happens in an Akula or Kapanadze circuit.  But it is never shown, and likewise it is never asked for by the believers.  It's just a viscous circle, a merry-go-round of the absurd.  Essentially the same phenomenon is happening in this thread.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1416 on: April 10, 2015, 05:06:08 PM »
void, you are using the terms 'energy' and 'power' as though they are the same: they are not.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1417 on: April 10, 2015, 05:07:49 PM »
At these low power's,i dont think there will be any explosions.
My standard battery charge put in 4 amp's @ 13.4 volts-and no bang. So 2 watts in isnt going to make fire works,i wouldnt think. :D
All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.

What happens if your capacitor or bridge rectifier fails shorted?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1418 on: April 10, 2015, 05:16:37 PM »
Tinsel
yes some get a chance to have life experience ..and others don't get the privilege of growing old.
Myself being trained in Aircraft [Just one of "your" many skills] playing next to a screaming  prop
winging by your ears ,,,well you pick up a certain mind set ,or ...?

so you do have that edge..

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respectfully

Chet

Heh.. I used to run the test cells at a major overhaul facility. You know you're alive all right, when you are adjusting the fuel injection pump on a 6-cylinder Continental on the test stand, running a six-foot propeller at 2300 RPM inches away from your head and hands....

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1419 on: April 10, 2015, 05:26:40 PM »
How about 4 rows of seven .... :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_%26_Whitney_R-4360_Wasp_Major

we had these in school [military donations] ,if your head was not screwed on right
there wouldn't even be dust left...[prop testing inspection and adjustment]

but as I was telling Brad ,sometimes life gives us a little reminder to be careful
and not so cavalier when it comes to safety  [I got one  :o]

Try very hard to Keep a clear head !!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1420 on: April 10, 2015, 05:28:49 PM »
   
   quote from MileHigh:
   
"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement.  It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from.  We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms."
                                                                                                                                           end quote.
 
  Then perhaps you can explain where the "extra" energy comes from,  when a magnet is passed by a coil.
 As it's Not "coming" from the coil, nor from the magnet.  So, how can that magnetic flow be measured, to prove where the endless magnetic flux is coming from?
  As magnetic current is also the cause of electricity, or/and electric current, to begin with.
  So, please explain your thoughts on the real source of magnetic current or magnetic energy, which can also light high wattage bulbs, without being dangerous, nor being "hot electricity".

 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1421 on: April 10, 2015, 05:33:36 PM »
All you need is a tiny spark to set off a hydrogen explosion.... That's why it is always a good idea to have proper ventilation when charging LA batteries so that you don't get a buildup of hydrogen, neither inside the battery itself nor nearby outside the battery, like a battery box. And the power of the explosion will depend on the amount of hydrogen you've built up, not on the tiny spark that sets it off.

What happens if your capacitor or bridge rectifier fails shorted?
I would expect the RCD to trip,or just to have an open circuit.
As im using an SLA,there are no hydrogen fumes to go bang ;)
But i hear what your saying with the FLAB's.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1422 on: April 10, 2015, 05:42:00 PM »
So supposedly Clarence has a system were you can draw 200 watts from the mains and power a 1000 watt load.  Or, if you cascade two of them in series, you should be able to draw 40 watts from the mains and power a 1000 watt load.  Farking amazing.

Here is something that a lot of you believers without applying critical thinking, and believers without questioning, should do to give you a sense about what power and energy really are:

For starters, you can't forget that almost all of our electrical power at one stage in its generation comes from brute force mechanical power.  Just bloody brute force mechanical power, very unglamorous, like some giant ox turning a wheel.  You see a clip of overhead wires shorting out and sometimes it's a frighting and mind-blowing catastrophic explosion.  The clips are all over YouTube.  You will never take overhead wiring lightly after you see some of those clips when you see the potentially enormous amounts of power that can be liberated from those overhead wires.  That's because somewhere there is a giant 1000-ton spinning wheel that stores an enormous amount of rotational energy, but more importantly, it's like a giant inductor discharging where the discharging inductor is a literally unstoppable current source with the instantaneous power capacity of millions and millions of horsepower.

What you should do is connect an exercise bike to an alternator, and connect the alternator to a 100-watt incandescent light bulb.  Then get on the exercise bike and pedal and try to light the bulb at full power.  When you start pedaling, it seems okay.  However, when the bulb starts to light there will be some resistance in your legs.  When the bulb gets fully lit, you will be shocked at how much your legs have to work and if you are not a toned athlete with excellent cardio stamina, you will be lucky if you can keep the bulb lit at full power for one minute.

Instead of fantasizing and always gobbling up unfounded statements made by any free energy claimant that shows up on your doorstep, feel what it really feels like for your legs to put out 100 watts of continuous mechanical power for one full minute.  I am willing to bet that some of you would be shocked at this realization.  Then turn on your 1000 watt hair dryer, feel the heated air flow past your hand, and then contemplate what 1000 watts really means.

Clarence claims that with 200 watts, he can give you 800 watts of free energy.   That's eight Olympic-class runners and swimmers lined up in a neat row pumping away at their bicycle-generators - for free!  They just magically appeared out of thin air.  Contemplate the raw brute continuous mechanical power from eight Olympic athletes, and compare that to your shock when you got on the bicycle-generator yourself and you tried to keep a 100-watt light bulb lit for just one minute.

Perhaps that will help you understand, and give you some respect, for power and what it really means.  It's more than some unknown guy making text postings about some alleged clamp-on meter readings.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1423 on: April 10, 2015, 05:55:38 PM »
   
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"Somewhere" and "nowhere" are synonymous in the above statement.  It absolutely matters where the excess energy allegedly comes from.  We have all sorts of ways of detecting and measuring energy in it's various forms."
                                                                                                                                           end quote.
 
  Then perhaps you can explain where the "extra" energy comes from,  when a magnet is passed by a coil.
 As it's Not "coming" from the coil, nor from the magnet.  So, how can that magnetic flow be measured, to prove where the endless magnetic flux is coming from?
  As magnetic current is also the cause of electricity, or/and electric current, to begin with.
  So, please explain your thoughts on the real source of magnetic current or magnetic energy, which can also light high wattage bulbs, without being dangerous, nor being "hot electricity".

You have got to be kidding.  How long have you been on this forum?  If you can't answer your question yourself, then do the research yourself and teach yourself.  Since you have probably read the explanation hundreds of times, it obviously has not sunk in so there is no point in me stating it here.  Go to school, go to Google, get a book, whatever.  You have to educate yourself and then answer this question for yourself.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1424 on: April 10, 2015, 06:17:18 PM »
MH
yes Tommey Reed was doing some of that with His trike project..
also makes you appreciate just how much energy is coming from the sun.
1000 watts per square meter [ :o is it safe...???]
when a scrappy 20% efficient solar cell can do 200 watts ...

Plus we have this....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D39u9eeGG4c

its no wonder we have Bugs that can do this..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

Soo
Clarence ..hows the chores going ??

Chet K