We were getting on fine till the disruptive element came in.
Go back and read the posts.
I wouldn't tell some people on this thread If I was getting a billion kilowatts free.
So I understand how Clarence feels.
People have feelings, even if they are hiding behind an internet name.

So Clarence, if you are reading this, if you could pm me, I'm interested in your findings.

Here is a recent typical comment from Clarence:

BTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
          Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?

That's not scientific, that's a person getting off on being a tease and being the center of attention.

If you were scientific you would be talking about power measurements and run times and posting simple charts and tables where you track different variables over time, etc, etc.   The discussion was mainly a "pseudo technical" discussion although you A.king21 mistakenly believe that you were having a technical discussion.  However, if you examine the discussion with more objectivity you see it for what it really was.

And the key phrase above is "run time."  Think of a typical newbie Bedini motor builder.  They get all excited because they charged a dead battery with their motor.  They believe that it is being done with "radiant energy."

What's the "hidden secret" that all Bedini motor builders share?  The "secret" is that every now and then, perhaps even under cover of night, they have to go and charge their main battery by plugging it into a battery charger that is connected to mains power.  They might recharge a target battery with their motor and put 50,000 Joules of energy into it.  But they don't want to think about the fact that it took 150,000 Joules of energy from their main battery to do it - a huge net loss in energy.

In this thread I think that occasionally people have mentioned the dreaded term "run time" with respect to the circuit that Clarence built.  So that's the "dirty secret" that it looks to me like you all want to avoid discussing.

The "magic" circuit that Clarence built will run a battery down to zero every single time you test it.  It's just a question of how long it takes.  The circuit has an inescapable run time associated with it - the soothsayer of battery death is always there.  Clarence has to sneak into his lab at night and recharge the main battery in his "self-looping with excess energy" circuit.

That's what I think some of you are in denial of.  You can do clamp meter readings and make voltage measurements until you are blue in the face - but the amount of energy in the battery continues to go down, down, down and there is nothing that you can do about it.

There is no energy "coming up from the ground" and real measurements will prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.  However, the caveat is that you have to actually know what you are doing.

MileHigh

Void:

I hate these stupid debates about what over unity is.

For starters, let's completely remove all discussions about renewable energy sources like solar, wind, etc.

Then, if a device is putting out more power than it is drawing from its power supply, and there is no internal energy store in the device, then the device would be an over unity device.

That implies that the device is getting power from "some unknown place that we can't explain" or the device is "magically manufacturing power by itself."

That's an over unity device, and there is no reason to get bogged down in semantics as if you were having a philosophical discussion about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

Power in 10 watts --->  [black box]  ----> power out 20 watts.

That's it, plain and simple.

a.king21


Did you learned Russian language ? 

There's nothing philosophical about it MileHigh, it's pure logic. 10 Watts input..... Black box..... 20 watts output is only OU if the extra 10 Watts remains from an unknown source and if we already know energy can not be created then we know the extra energy is coming from somewhere so it doesn't really matter where it's coming from because once the extra energy source if found the device was never OU at all ever. It can't be OU for a while just until the source of the extra energy is discovered. That's not how it works nor is it logical.

What is is is an amount of so far unexplained extra energy.

Either that or any device with more out than in in OU. Or there is no such thing as OU.

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That is exactly the point I had been trying to make in 2 of my above posts.  That is why I mentioned the solar cell because, once the "unknown" energy source is "known", then the O.U. device is no longer O.U. and is no different than a solar cell. Ergo, O.U. is not possible.

For some reason, Void can not understand this very simple and logical fact.  So, I will give up on trying to educate him.

Thanks for putting it more succinctly than I did Farmhand.

Bill

They seem certain that they are putting 1 kw in plus boiling water at 1 kw and getting  a further 6 kw out.
(Those famous 1 kw Soviet era light bulbs again)

It's very difficult to judge light power in a video.  However, you can at least make an estimation.  I also have some experience with 1 kW incandescent light bulbs from doing the lighting in our auditorium in high school.  1 kW incandescent light bulbs are also quite large.

In that clip, the bank of light bulbs looks to me like they are 100 to 150 watt light bulbs.  Only four or five are powered up.

Now, if there were six 1 KW incandescent light bulbs in that clip, the light would be blindingly bright and it would be ridiculously hot.  Think of being in front of two open electric oven doors with all four heating elements on, the two bake elements and the two broil elements.  It would be a time where you "can't stand the heat in the kitchen" for sure.

MileHigh

Chet:

You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.  Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse.  Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.

There is a conundrum for you to contemplate:  Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me.  You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts."  But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake.  It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is.  Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.  You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.  Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times.  GDS Technologies comes to mind right away.  The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September.  There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals.  Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.

Choice quotes from Clarence from EF:

I have attached the HOW, WHY, AND METHOD information I spoke of. please remind the members that there in no need for experimentation with this unit. if they will just look at the latest photo I have attached and do just like what they see it will work without a hitch.

I would like for all members to know that this device will simply NOT work with out the needed ground rod set up. It just wont!
another thing to keep in mind is that this unit is not cheap to build. I would estimate that about 2000.00 (dollars) went into mine possibly more.
also the location that the member is in will determine how well the unit performs and how many ground rods he will need. that's also a lot of physical work to be done.

So it's going to work.  It will cost you $2000.  You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence.  Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?

I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card.  If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.

The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.  However, eventually things will change.  Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.

And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."

MileHigh

Chet:


MileHigh

You are obviously a very nice man with a good heart.

Indeed he is,and has gone out of his way on many occasions to help other's.

Unfortunately you can become very misguided at times when you endorse something that is clearly the wrong thing to endorse.  Perhaps "endorse" is not the right term, perhaps "facilitate and support" would be better.

I think it's more-->leave no stone unturned. Look into and follow up on every possibility that may help man kind.

There is a conundrum for you to contemplate:  Often you heap praise and respect on people like MarkE, Poynt99, TK, Picowatt, Gyula, and others, sometimes even me.  You respect education and knowledge and experience a lot, and you often defer to the opinions of "the experts."  But then something comes along.... It looks like an obvious fake.  It's so fake sometimes that even an astute kid in high school would recognize it for what it really is.  Then, if you back the obvious fake you will refuse to listen to MarkE and others.

Here i would say he is more like me. Listen to those that have the best chance at knowing what is going on,but always wait and see what the outcome is. We have seen this mistake many times in history. Many so called experts said heavier than air machines could never fly,when all they had to do was look into the sky and see heavier than air birds flying all over the place. Man could not travel at speeds in excess of 50MPH ,as he wouldnt be able to breath. Always listen,but let the results speak for them self. Unfortunately,Clarence refused to show result's,and this is when all the trouble started. The fact is,if you make a claim of OU-self running devices,then you have to be prepaired to back up those claims with accurate data.

You just sick your head in the sand and you simply won't listen.

I dont think this is correct. It's more as i stated above-->listen ,but let the results speak for them self.-->All we need now is results

Hey, that's your right, but it really can be baffling at times.  GDS Technologies comes to mind right away.  The guy is a glorified "Photoshop criminal" but I am assuming that you are waiting to see what happens in September.  There is more than enough material out there to qualify GDS as a bunch of criminals. Clarence has nothing in common with GDS on the criminality side, but what he does share in common with GDS is that there is more than enough material out there to qualify this proposition that he has adopted as nonsense, a fake.

From our point of view-yes,but from Chet's perspective-->man has been wrong many time's before,and it's just a matter of time before he is wrong again.
You have to ask your self MH,is a !so called! OU device going to make any sense to those that know modern day physics ?.

So it's going to work.  It will cost you $2000.  You are going to have to bury ground rods and based on your location and some unknown secret decoder ring magic, exactly how many ground rods you need to bury will be determined presumably by Clarence.  Why not throw spaghetti at the wall?

I am smelling that the "location factor" will be Clarence's "get out of jail free" card.  If it doesn't work then he can always say that the replicator was in the "wrong" location.

This seems to be inline with all the other devices that have a specific location factor that is required for the device to opperate as shown.

The replicators on EF and possibly here will at first be all excited with "good results" because they will not be factoring in how much energy can be stored in a fully charged car battery.

And this very thing i just presented in my last two day long experiment with a 12v battery that was in ver poor condition. 12 to 13 watts of output for 36 hours at a voltage between 7&8V on a 12v 12 AH battery that wouldnt even hold a charge of more than 12 volts due to being badly sulphated.

However, eventually things will change.  Ultimately no replicators will be successful in reproducing the claimed results from this piece of electronics quackery.

And that's when all of the so-called educated people with years and years of experience can say, "We told you so."

So far that has been the case.
But the day will come when the educated will learn something new.

MH
I know you think I'm silly

But when I sit and ponder that I live on a giant magnet  with Lightning Bolts flying all around me and a sun pumping 1 KW per square meter onto the Mix ...
and then I read things live this

MH
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For starters, you can't forget that almost all of our electrical power at one stage in its generation comes from brute force mechanical power.  Just bloody brute force mechanical power, very unglamorous, like some giant ox turning a wheel.
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and I read that and I feel silly to think there is not a much much simpler way.

since the dawn of flight and power generation [in modern times]
Flight has gone from Kites and toes running along the beach ..to Pluto and beyond..

And Power generation [in the same time line] at 100 plus  year old Niagra power plant ??
just open the door  at Niagra and have a look ...Ox tied to wheels...

Yes I do feel quite silly