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Pirate88179

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1395 on: April 10, 2015, 02:56:52 AM »

Hi Pirate88179. I am sorry, but what you are saying is nonsense. I am sure at some level you may
actually believe such things, but it really is just nonsense.
All the best...

Well then, we can agree that we disagree.  I have attempted, many times, to point out that a device, such as the magic computer fan motor that runs itself, is not overunity but a hoax using some button cells and a reed switch and..what do I get for my politeness?  I am called a paid shill for big oil, etc., etc.  Then, they even call me a troll and a non-believer.

So, my point is, this cuts both ways.  After many times of this type of thing happening, I probably am not as nice as I could be the next time something like this comes up.  This gets especially frustrating to myself, and many others, when we see the same devices come up...again and again as if they were new and never debunked.  Now, mostly, I just let it go...let them build it and see it does not/can not work.

Overunity is impossible.  Free energy is possible.  The energy must come from somewhere.  We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy, and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy.  That is a good goal and why I am here.

Trolls do not teach anyone anything and I have learned a lot from the fellows here being called trolls and paid shills.

Anyway, I suppose we will continue to see this differently.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1396 on: April 10, 2015, 04:09:45 AM »
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.

OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than  any other reported incident.

You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel  :P]....

we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.

It's not just the people that post that matter many people just read and do without posting, this is an open forum.

I'm fairly sure that when myself or others like Tinsel post about and show the details of potentially lethal devices we always warn of the danger and even warn each other of dangers that may go unnoticed.

I'll say again that bypassing the RCD as has been done in order to replicate the Barbosa and Leal device is very dangerous and illegal, at least in Australia it is. Doing that endangers everybody who uses electrical appliances at that address.

And similarly any high power medium voltage system ie, 120 to 240 volt system that is made to be "like the grid" as in ground connected and wires named neutral, phase and ground, should be made so that an RCD can be fitted to make it safe. It's not illegal to use an inverter without one but it should be in certain situations in my opinion. 

With a proper warning those not comfortable dealing with lethal powers most likely would give it a miss, but when people encourage others to replicate with no warnings, that's irresponsible to begin with.

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Oh by the way I've shown myself being shocked by HF HV a few times, also at medium frequencies and medium voltages, I got video of myself getting accidentally shocked by an electric fence if you want to see that, but that isn't lethal unless one has some existing problem, I've shown HF arc burns on purpose.

It's all about recognizing what can likely kill you dead instantly and what has little chance of lasting injury.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1397 on: April 10, 2015, 04:19:52 AM »
Hello everyone
I'm a freshman from
Thailand

Then I saw a very interesting circuit.
I try to do it or not.



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1398 on: April 10, 2015, 04:41:18 AM »
And here is the Wizard from Oz [TinMan] and his new movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKC4fX3XOp4

for those who may not be familiar with David Bowlings charger, ...[has a thread here somewhere
and over at Aarons place] I want to say Turion[energetic handle]???? not certain at this moment
trying to finish a motor job and three other tasks ATM...

Mr.King
Ohh How I would Love to give that Tito a nice Big Squeeeeze .something like this >> :o <<
However.. we shall see...?

The busy with lights wizard is going to have a rigor mortis when he finds out thousands of people have already shown a load/no-load watt meter reading.

Note to self: May be too much for Mr.Wizard to understand this when he cannot make out between a captor and transformer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og8Ja58Oupw

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1399 on: April 10, 2015, 07:56:21 AM »
@Farmhand
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I'm fairly sure that when myself or others like Tinsel post about and show the details of potentially lethal devices we always warn of the danger and even warn each other of dangers that may go unnoticed.

I'll say again that bypassing the RCD as has been done in order to replicate the Barbosa and Leal device is very dangerous and illegal, at least in Australia it is. Doing that endangers everybody who uses electrical appliances at that address.


My thoughts are that danger is relative and there is always a price to be paid for progress... it is not free nor is it easy. What I find very dangerous and almost painful to watch is complacency and unjustified fear mongering because the fact remains that if your not making mistakes you are not learning nor are you making progress. You know I could debate almost anything with anyone on any level but sometimes their is pure genius in absolute simplicity. My friend had one such thought which had profound meaning for me early on when he said... God hates a coward. Which was in fact odd because he was in no way a religious person and yet there it was. If you are not willing to put yourself out there and accept the risks then you will never truly succeed at anything in my opinion.


Make no mistake that I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know in this field of technology and I have paid a very great price for it. It is not free, it is not easy nor is it safe or all that productive in many cases but it was always worth the risk so many might benefit from what I have learned.


So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.


So I will tell you something which may actually save your life at some point which Nikola Tesla explained in his lectures. Keep one hand in your pocket and you know why and never touch any connection with your hands only pliers rated above the voltage you are working with. No offense but I make more hot connections in a month than most have done in their life, not a problem , not an issue, it is normal for me even if it isn't for you. It's about common sense and I consider every circuit in the same respect as a gun, I assume it's always loaded and treat it as such because assumptions kill people.


So I understand your point however unless people start putting there unjustified fears of the unknown aside were screwed... do you understand that my friend?. We must make progress and many will pay a great price for this progress while cowards sit back afraid of the risks involved. Me I'm not that kind of person, I know the risks and I have no problem with it because it was never about me it is about you and our children's future. So man up, grow a set of balls and getter done because if there is a god i'm pretty sure he/she/it does hate cowards.


AC

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1400 on: April 10, 2015, 09:10:31 AM »
Well you haven't told me anything i didn't already know either. I'll tell you a secret. You don't need one hand in your pocket, you
just need to only use one hand to touch the work. But if it's made safe anyway two hands is just fine. Don;t be scared of a device
made safe now. Or do you always work with one hand in your pocket. Does that pocket have a hole it it ? I'll bet it does.

Like I said the warnings are not for you so just ignore it. If you think I was trying to warn you or other Trained people then you
have a mental problem.

And I am fairly sure I know more than you will ever know about many things as well, and I haven't forgotten.

As I remember it your solution to finding a needle in a hay stack is to burn it and use a magnet, but what if the needle is a bone needle ?

There is nothing wrong with safety warnings. Anyone who thinks otherwise is nuts.

So tell me this at least is it OK to bypass the RCD on the house ? And in what countries is it mandatory to have one fitted ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1401 on: April 10, 2015, 09:15:48 AM »
@Farmhand

So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.


That in bold is incorrect, you are in Canada I think and I am in Australia, talk about conceited and egotistical.
It's all you and no one else hey. Very funny.

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If you want people to believe your claims you need to provide some proof. How about posting your papers so we know your not just making it all up ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1402 on: April 10, 2015, 09:41:22 AM »
Hey Bill
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Overunity is impossible.  Free energy is possible.  The energy must come from somewhere.  We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy, and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy.  That is a good goal and why I am here.


Have you ever seen a grown man naked billy? (from the parody airplane) ... err wrong question... have you ever said something and in retrospect been in awe of our own words which we didn't really understand at the time they were spoken?.


What is free energy when all energy is inherently free?, at which point we might ask who owns it if we must reduce energy to the petty quite human construct of money?, does someone own the Sun?... well no that is absurd and yet all life and for the most part energy does relate to our Sun which is in fact a star. So what is Energy really?.Well if we had no Sun, our star, then there would be no life on Earth and it would be a cold,dark.dead planet so life may relate to proximity to Energy in the form of a star.


It is a strange thing Energy?, I mean I have spoken with hundreds of people about Energy but when I ask them what it is they wreak of fear because they have no conception of what it is fundamentally. Personally I have found it is easier to simply do away with this faulty construct which was never actually understood by anyone. Energy is in everything everywhere in every space we know of thus it is the norm not the exception to some misguided rule by people who obviously do not understand what it is. There s no overunity nor is there free energy bound to the misguided construct of trade relating to money. The universe outside this delusional little planet we call Earth has no conception of the construct of value, trade nor money thus the term "free" has no weight. 


Thus in the big picture one can only conclude... were all screwed up. Delusional petty little beings clinging to faulty beliefs so we don't have to deal with the truth that were just another backwater planet revolving around a slowly dying star. But were so much more than that aren't we?, all the hoopla and grandeur of people with an IQ about the same as there shoe size as we screw away our children's future.... we will simply adapt to the result of our own stupidity.


Me I want to opt out of the human race, I digress, I give up because we are a losing proposition. It has literally nothing to do with Energy because even if it was free we would find some way to screw it up. It will require a drastic change in perspective, a change in the way we see our place in this universe. It is like asking a psychopath to change their wicked ways when they have no inclination to do so. Free energy is not our salvation when it still amounts to giving a retard a loaded gun. It is what it is any way you want to spin it in my opinion.


AC

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1403 on: April 10, 2015, 10:51:24 AM »
@Farmhand

My thoughts are that danger is relative and there is always a price to be paid for progress... it is not free nor is it easy. What I find very dangerous and almost painful to watch is complacency and unjustified fear mongering because the fact remains that if your not making mistakes you are not learning nor are you making progress. You know I could debate almost anything with anyone on any level but sometimes their is pure genius in absolute simplicity. My friend had one such thought which had profound meaning for me early on when he said... God hates a coward. Which was in fact odd because he was in no way a religious person and yet there it was. If you are not willing to put yourself out there and accept the risks then you will never truly succeed at anything in my opinion.


Make no mistake that I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know in this field of technology and I have paid a very great price for it. It is not free, it is not easy nor is it safe or all that productive in many cases but it was always worth the risk so many might benefit from what I have learned.


So please spare me your over exaggerated explanation of the risks involved because I'm the person who operates the power plants which provides the energy for people like you. Yes, I'm the guy at the other end of that line running to your house and I understand every detail involved from start to finish. It puts a little different spin on the conversation doesn't it?.... when you converse with someone who knows what their talking about because that is their profession.


So I will tell you something which may actually save your life at some point which Nikola Tesla explained in his lectures. Keep one hand in your pocket and you know why and never touch any connection with your hands only pliers rated above the voltage you are working with. No offense but I make more hot connections in a month than most have done in their life, not a problem , not an issue, it is normal for me even if it isn't for you. It's about common sense and I consider every circuit in the same respect as a gun, I assume it's always loaded and treat it as such because assumptions kill people.


So I understand your point however unless people start putting there unjustified fears of the unknown aside were screwed... do you understand that my friend?. We must make progress and many will pay a great price for this progress while cowards sit back afraid of the risks involved. Me I'm not that kind of person, I know the risks and I have no problem with it because it was never about me it is about you and our children's future. So man up, grow a set of balls and getter done because if there is a god i'm pretty sure he/she/it does hate cowards.


AC

Hello allcanadian,
For that matter if anyone mentioned risks involved in the Kapanadze thread they would be laughed out and their ploy would be outed immediately.

Good day or night whereever you are.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1404 on: April 10, 2015, 12:17:37 PM »
Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.

One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load. :)

But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...

Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you! :)



Hi Wistiti , following your nice replication attempt and constructive update above quoted , I have 2 questions :

- have you been able to solve your high current issue ?

- is it then possible consequently to make the setup working with normal toroid as the ones you used ?

Best regards

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1405 on: April 10, 2015, 12:42:10 PM »
Overunity is impossible.  Free energy is possible.  The energy must come from somewhere. 
We are stuck with the laws of nature and physics but, we can all work to find new sources of energy,
and the most efficient ways possible to use existing sources of energy.  That is a good goal and why I am here.

Hi Pirate88179. The term over unity just implies that the power being delivered to the load is greater than the
power being supplied by the system's power source. It in no way at all implies that the excess energy is
coming from nowhere. If there is excess energy in a system beyond what the power source is supplying, then
that energy most certainly would have to be coming from somewhere. That would definitely still be over unity however.
It doesn't matter where the excess energy is coming from. As long as the average output power divided
by the average input power is greater than 1 (1 = unity), then that would most definitely be over unity. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with where that excess energy might be coming from. :)
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1406 on: April 10, 2015, 02:08:17 PM »
 Yup ..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADUt3_RwFVw&feature=player_detailpage#t=55

E-Cat test results published, third party independent (32 day test) results show 3.5 times more energy out than consumed .. six professors put their reputations on the line.

they held it back for twenty years but now it's out.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1408 on: April 10, 2015, 04:16:07 PM »
i suggest that you read some comments on that demonstration on PESN and Revolution-green; Rossi's methods do not pass scrutiny. I personally think that LENR does produce excess heat - nobody has been able to come up with a reliable commercial product yet.
When I get some time and money to spend on research, I intend to do my own later this year.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1409 on: April 10, 2015, 04:18:20 PM »
Yes it can be dangerous ,these men are trained professionals do not try
this at home in your spare time.

OSHA statistic for Jobsite injuries .
** more people are injured, maimed, blinded or even killed from the miss use of a common screw driver than  any other reported incident.

You two [Tinsel and Farmhand] throw lightning bolts around the kitchen
we don't hope you fry yourself ,or hope it gets caught on camera[Tinsel  :P ]....

we know that you take precautions.. don't expect anything less from the other builders here.

How many times have you seen me working with HV or mains powered equipment using a maze of cheap Chinese clipleads all over the place, bare wires twisted together, big capacitors lying around connected willy-nilly? Yet we see that kind of thing all the time from "other builders"... some of them.... whose work is shown here.

How many times have you seen me using discharge wands to neutralize the charge on big capacitors in my circuits? How many times have you seen that precaution from "other builders" whose work is shown here?

How many people have _actually_ shown _real_ systems operating by VRSWR, who actually demonstrate good techniques in high-voltage construction and HV safety?

I can count them on half the fingers of one hand, whether the other one is in my pocket or not. Farmhand is one, and the other is...er.... me.

The point about the battery charger is this: Charging LA batteries emit hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas is explosive in the right concentrations with air, such as are present in and near LA batteries being charged. Poor connections with the typical clipleads and twisted wiring we have seen so many times by "other builder" on this forum can easily create sparks, or overheat and fuse. (Have you ever seen the tiny actual copper that's inside many of the cheap Chinese clipleads that are so popular? It's scary.) The capacitors used can short, allowing high currents to pass relatively instantly. The cat can jump on the bench (kitchen table? Bedroom floor?) and knock a cliplead loose creating a spark. I've even seen people use the charging battery as the support for their DMMs.

And house mains wiring is often misunderstood and sometimes even miswired. Are you confident that no self-taught or even professional electrician hasn't miswired an outlet or entire branch circuit,  mixing up Line and Neutral? That there isn't some leakage somewhere? Got, say, a ceiling fan running on the same branch that you are experimenting with? Guess what: Line is connected directly to Neutral through the coils of the ceiling fan motor.

Many of the "other builders" I see working on this and other forums are literally setting up for accidents waiting to happen. Some of them don't seem to be able to learn from example... perhaps if they survive, they'll eventually learn from experience, as I have.