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Title: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 14, 2013, 02:01:16 AM
Hi all,

In this link you can search for Barbosa or Leal to find a very simple device which seems easy to replicate.

http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)

The device allegedly capture electrons from the ground (Energia da Terra) by a very simple and novel design. The inventors state that it can be self looped and the device shows a COP over 100. The inventors have filed 5 PCT patents which have been recently published ( WO2013104042, WO2013104039, WO2013104041, WO2013104043, WO2013104040). The inventors are brasilian and the patents are wirtten in portuguese.
http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en)

The main advantage of this generator is its simplicity. Here a video ( INPUT: 22 W , OUTPUT: 6000 W) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2013, 05:02:08 AM
Sounds like an earth battery.  I will check out the links.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2013, 05:07:37 AM
Is there a version of that video with English subtitles?  I don't have a clue as to what was going on there.  Do you have a translation?  Or, if you understand what they were saying...could you give me a short summary of what it was?

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tinman on August 14, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
Oh there are those test lights again-defently an OU setup with that many light's.
And yes- a translation would be great.
The link you posted for the solid state fancy transformers,have been tried many time's. This was one of Tom Beardens miracle machines-the MEG. But Tom is getting on in age,and he still isnt sitting on the snow white beaches of the bahama's,sipping on his pina colada,being faned by sexy girls in bikini's.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2013, 01:53:35 PM
Don't you just love it when people spend all this money on devices, video production and promotion, and then they "prove" their "overunity" with a couple of cheap clampon meters and a bank of lights... and maybe an electric fan or drill motor, and of course the 1500 Watt heater.

What you _never_ see is someone testing their devices with a proper integrating power meter, or using an oscilloscope with math capability to go all the way through to computing an energy integral.

Well, almost never....

 ;)

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 14, 2013, 07:28:31 PM
Well they are spending a lot of money and trouble if it's fake.   Patents applied for in 198 countries.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2013, 08:19:35 PM
Well they are spending a lot of money and trouble if it's fake.   Patents applied for in 198 countries.

Oh really? There are only 193 members and two observer states in the United Nations, for a total of 195. There are some other places that claim sovereignty, but let's face it, if they aren't in the UN, who cares if they have a patent there or not.

But don't claimants usually just file a single WIPO application, that then covers a lot of countries?

And of course all those patent APPLICATION numbers listed in the OP are just that: applications, not granted patents.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 14, 2013, 08:26:13 PM

Hi,
I have checked the patents and they are not yet extended to any specific country. They have just filed the 5 PCT, and they have time to extend the patents to other countries until July in 2014.

By now they have expent some money in patents 5 X 5000 $ aprox. each PCT . I have read that they did a public demo of their generators.

I only understand portuguese partially: in the video the explain that thier generators take the charge form the earth by the grounding wire. They just have to excite the generator with a small current and the output is much bigger. The first device produce 6 KW (and the do a demo with the lights while the input was just 22 W (0.1 A at 220 V). The intermediate device produce 280 KW , and the bigger device produce around 1 MW.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on August 14, 2013, 10:44:01 PM
Lets say for the hell of it,its real, I'm not fully convinced it is,it could still be a trick.
It looks sort of looks like the Tariel Kap device made in turkey most of the parts in that video are non functional,
only whats in the metal boxes is real.If this device can produce large amounts of current as claimed it could power an electric car,at least 70% of
oil is used for transportation,it could cause an oil price crash.The inventors will guard the information to replicate it,
as its too simple, anyone could build it.I don't expect it to go too far as it will be bought up and disappear or the inventors will disappear,that is if its real.
Any patent or patents will be fake and will not give enough information to replicate it because it is too simple as was done with the Tariel Kap applied patents.
An electric car with unlimited range,no batteries to charge up,the supply voltage is independent,you can adjust it to the electric motor needs,
as this amplifies current only,ac power makes it easy to control,it will never be allowed.Lets say that a much smaller device can be made,it could keep a drone
flying 24/7,it has too many military applications,it will never be allowed.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MileHigh on August 14, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
Permit me to do a Darth Dansie here.

I watched the clip and could more or less follow it.  They stated in Portuguese pretty what you can imagine they would have said in English just like Hanon posted above.

Notice they spent a few hundred dollars on the roll-up sign.  It's about 20 feet wide also, which would be for a 20' x 10' or 20' x 20' trade show booth.  Then you have two nice looking clean-cut presenters.

The problem is that it looks like there are batteries in the boxes.  It's trivial to up the voltage to be able to drive all of the lights.  As a reminder, batteries store quite a bit of energy and they can output high power levels.  So everything in the clip could be explained by good old batteries.

So it looks to me like you are looking at a semi-professional con.  It's a study in human nature.

MileHigh

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on August 14, 2013, 11:58:54 PM
I agree with you milehigh could be batteries,the problem is the batteries that you can get now get,are very high power.In the days of the tpu 1997,these kind of batteries did not exist or were in labs so you could rule out batteries to a point.Maybe sterling should contact these guys,I need a good laugh,we got cheated out of laughs on the motor-gen one.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 15, 2013, 05:52:27 AM
I agree with you milehigh could be batteries,the problem is the batteries that you can get now get,are very high power.In the days of the tpu 1997,these kind of batteries did not exist or were in labs so you could rule out batteries to a point.Maybe sterling should contact these guys,I need a good laugh,we got cheated out of laughs on the motor-gen one.

Sterling is probably on his way over there as we speak.  (Paid for by someone else, of course)  Possibly, he will get one of these units too so he can really, really get off the grid at his home.  Pretty soon, Sterling will be making so much power (for free ) in his neighborhood that the power companies will ask him to provide them with some.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: markdansie on August 15, 2013, 07:58:07 AM
@MH
I want some of that Magnetic bathing fluid
Mark
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2013, 01:02:17 PM
MH said,
"Then you have two nice looking clean-cut presenters."

That's pretty funny, as I was thinking pretty much the opposite. I want to see FE devices presented by people wearing white labcoats over dress shirts with ties, and they should be carrying or have close at hand a clipboard, which should be referred to occasionally. Black hornrimmed safety glasses are optional but highly recommended for credibility.

This casual, open collar, shirttail untucked, hands in pockets style is an affront to my sensibilities.

Here is the test I'd like to see. Get yourself a great big huge Frankenstein three-bladed double-throw knife switch and some heavy cables and clamps. That is the only bit of test kit you need! Take the device around to the place where the building is supplied with power from the national grid, the meter or main distribution box. Get a qualified electrician to put the knife switch in the circuit so that you can select the building to be powered by either the mains, or the Device Under Test.

From this point the test procedure should be obvious to anyone, and also the pass-fail criteria!

Ideally the "building" mentioned should be the claimant's home. After all, he already has an installation going on there, right, complete with a mains disconnect, because he's been powering his house with one for some time.... right?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on August 15, 2013, 09:38:38 PM
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???


It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???


.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tinu on August 15, 2013, 10:07:02 PM
The intermediate device produce 280 KW

 Now that’s what I call a decent power density for those little boxes.
I wonder what kind of 2N3055 they use there… It must be pretty good ones, right?  ;)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLVhyVI1WM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pLVhyVI1WM)
http://www.circuitbreakerstore.com/circuit-breakers/abb/air-breakers/k-line-breakers-600-volt/parts-circuit-breaker/gould-shawmut-current-limiting-fuse-a4by1600/ (http://www.circuitbreakerstore.com/circuit-breakers/abb/air-breakers/k-line-breakers-600-volt/parts-circuit-breaker/gould-shawmut-current-limiting-fuse-a4by1600/)
 
... and the bigger device produce around 1 MW.

 :o Yup, it surely does.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on August 16, 2013, 10:09:54 AM
My bet is it is a deception, I see no reason whatsoever to believe that the current measured at 2:50 minutes in the video is that input current while the lamps are being powered,
or any reason why it would be considered an accurate measurement. considering the fluctuations and the still shot taken at the lowest point of the fluctuation, however the accuracy is not
such a concern as is weather or not the load is powered while the measurement is taken or is it is even the actual input that is being measured.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q

They look like a pair of better dressed Kapanadzes.

I don't consider the video to have any proof of anything.

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 16, 2013, 10:16:03 AM
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???


It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???


.


They do show you how to make one. They have 5 detailed patents.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tinman on August 16, 2013, 12:36:31 PM
What good are these things if they DON'T show us how to make one? ??? ???


It's like a guy BRAGGING about his FAST CAR, but how does that help POOR people WITHOUT any electricity? ???


.
And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: markdansie on August 16, 2013, 01:35:04 PM
B1 and B2 are negotiating with Sterling. They have developed an overunity powered banana. It needs soem funding so he can gett here ASAP
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on August 16, 2013, 03:07:08 PM
Can somebody post the Patents here, or show a Link to see them.


Thank you.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 16, 2013, 03:51:19 PM
B1 and B2 are negotiating with Sterling. They have developed an overunity powered banana. It needs soem funding so he can gett here ASAP
Kind Regards
Mark

It seemed that Sterling was confronted with the Mylow situation in the chat room on The Smart Scarecrow show last night...about his mass ban of anyone that thought Mylow was a fake.  I pointed out his abuse of the fellows here on OU.com...the actual guys that proved it was a fake.  He did not appear to be happy about that.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 16, 2013, 03:57:31 PM
Can somebody post the Patents here, or show a Link to see them.


Thank you.

Their 5 patents are in portuguese. You can download the original text of one of them (WO2013104042) here:
http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000021792590.pdf?download (http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000021792590.pdf?download)

A translation into english:  http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 16, 2013, 04:07:45 PM
Hanon:

Thanks for the translation link.  It this one still an application or has it actually been granted?  I could not really tell from a fast skim....heading off to work now.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 16, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
Bill, the "A1" at the end of the number indicates a stage in the application process, the patent has not yet been granted (as of that publication).

Thanks for the heads-up about the SS segment on MyLOW, I'll have to listen to it. A blast from the past!

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on August 16, 2013, 10:14:58 PM
Can somebody Post some Patent Application PHOTOS, or where we can view them?

.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 17, 2013, 01:44:40 AM
Bill, the "A1" at the end of the number indicates a stage in the application process, the patent has not yet been granted (as of that publication).

Thanks for the heads-up about the SS segment on MyLOW, I'll have to listen to it. A blast from the past!

Thanks for the info.

The "Mylow discussion" took place in the chat room that runs along side the SS show.  It was not mentioned on the show itself.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on August 17, 2013, 02:54:57 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)



Yeap, it tends to be epidemic. Stage some boxes producing electricity, take a good scietific sales'man attitude and promise FE and mayhaps you get some hype and followers and maybe some naive investors fall to your little trick and chew them their money.


Dont even bother explaining anything.. but i must admit its amusing.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hoptoad on August 17, 2013, 09:05:45 AM
And here they are pictured with there first big investors. The 75kw system is being promoted in the pic.

Wow, I bet a whole BUNCH of investors will get on board now!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 17, 2013, 08:02:31 PM
Thanks for the info.

The "Mylow discussion" took place in the chat room that runs along side the SS show.  It was not mentioned on the show itself.

Bill
Ah, too bad. I don't think the chat is archived, so I guess I missed the fun.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Liberty on August 17, 2013, 08:25:00 PM
Has anyone had a chance to test the patent app, as to whether there is a new novel effect to generate power?  I have read the patent and put together what I understand would be a suitable test circuit below.

It appears that one would want to limit the power input side, due to the closed loop on the transformer, will tend to smoke the primary without a current limit on input.  It would also seem necessary to extend the 2 coil winding to another transformer so power could be extracted from the circuit in the second transformer at a proper voltage output. 

220v @ .1A
 22wInputac     !-------------  output ac (should exceed 22w if it works)
   ! -)))))-!       !-)))))--------
      ===            ===
    ---))------------))--
    !                           !
    -----------------------___
                                      =   ground
                                      _
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 17, 2013, 11:42:25 PM
Here a video with a replication of the system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs)

Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Liberty on August 18, 2013, 12:58:04 AM
Here a video with a replication of the system:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs)

Liberty, I can not see your sketch because it seems to be moved by the formating of the text

From what I can see in the video, the replication only has a shorted loop.  You have to extract energy from the loop to see if it is more than what was supplied from the input circuit.  I can't tell that the video really shows any excess output at all, but it looks like his loop has a bad solder joint. 


Here is my schematic drawing of a test circuit.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 01:07:57 AM
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Liberty on August 18, 2013, 01:15:44 AM
Does that video show a connection to an earth ground? If so, I didn't see it. Can someone draw out the schematic of the video?

I didn't see a schematic diagram either.  It would have been very helpful.  It appears to me that the primary on both transformers were being used for input.  I didn't see an earth ground either.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 18, 2013, 06:36:36 AM
Translation of the text by the video uploader:  "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 06:54:51 AM
Three Hundred Amps.

Are we talking about the same video, the one just above here with the two transformers and the power strip, and the tangle of wires, none of them larger than #12 AWG?


Three hundred amps. For a change, I find myself without adequate words to express my utter LOLLING.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 18, 2013, 07:02:12 AM
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no)Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
High amps
from the Kapanadze thread:
Dear Zeitmaschine.This is my interpretation of your recent post's. Please advise any direction that you see fit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHkqn2cG-no)Cheers Grum.

A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry? At least his heavy wires look a bit more plausible for heavy current, but a thousand amps for any length of time would vaporize that heavy cable just as surely as it would a smaller one.

Don't believe me? Then take that heavy cable and hook it directly across the poles of a fully charged car battery. You'll see what a kiloamp of Real Current can do. But please wear safety glasses and stand well back.

Let's say the resistance of that two feet of heavy cable is 0.001 ohm. It is probably much higher than that but let's use one millOhm. The power dissipated in that cable, then, is I2R, or (1000 x 1000) x 0.001, or One KiloWatt. It would be glowing red-hot in moments. If the resistance of the cable/connectors is only 0.01 ohm, one hundredth of an ohm.... you then have TEN KILOWATTS of dissipation in your cable.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on August 18, 2013, 01:59:53 PM
A thousand amps now! Or is it zero amps like the meter showed just before the camera panned away in a hurry?

I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on August 18, 2013, 02:26:23 PM
Translation of the text by the video uploader:  "A brief example of how it would be possible to produce 100x more power using the new technical effect, generated by electro-magnetism that generates current by an electromotive force. This current keeps constant in the conductor's captor. I make it clear that I am skeptic and did not believe it was possible. But to my surprise I appears 300A using 2.3 amp consumption. Other experiments have already got 55 amp which would be more sensible to a residence. There is technically Induction respect to Lenz's Law. Now the amount of electrons which joins the driver where it comes?"


Can someone explain to that person that the hundreds amps (if correct measured) of the thick looped inductor is due to transformer turns ratio plain induction?


The weird would be if considerable amps would flow to the system, via one wire (as Kapanadze suggests) from ground to device.
But this is not the case is not it?

:)

Where is the "inventor" to show us the principle? Instead every newbie tries to verify it.. sighh
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2013, 02:59:00 PM
I think he switched the power on then off fairly quickly before removing the clamp for the reasons you highlighted.

And I think a very good and impressive demonstration of real power would have been for him NOT to have switched it off, and let it start glowing from the heat.

I've deliberately blown components to illustrate my points in videos.... and you can bet I would have supported a claim of a thousand amps with something other than an unstable meter reading from an unknown uncalibrated instrument. But that's just me, nobody pays attention to me, because I don't make claims I can't support with real data.

Here's a challenge: Put a 30 amp fuse in series with that cable and repeat the experiment. Or if you are really confident, use a 100 A fuse.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tinman on August 18, 2013, 03:41:30 PM
Mmm,im not sure on that one TK,it almost seems doable. I believe that cable could handle a 1000 amps for a brief period. Acording to the National Electric Code,you only need AWG 4 for 250 amp's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQYFII5ESME
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: crazycut06 on August 18, 2013, 05:13:10 PM
The video above is like a spot welding mod, high amps low voltage.... ???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on August 18, 2013, 05:50:38 PM
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 18, 2013, 09:09:46 PM
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
Look in Patrick Kelly's latest e-book update
Just startpage:  Patrick Kelly free energy
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 18, 2013, 09:33:50 PM
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 18, 2013, 10:14:27 PM
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)

Regards

Here is a translation of the video info from Youtube:

"Theory about the captor Electron Earth.
Well folks another little evolution in the sensor circuit. I got close to 400 AP put without voltage, current flows u can feel the vibration in the fingers and heats up very fast in short, when you add another inductor to give this current flow suddenly boom! Appears tension with chain and lights the Lamp! Logical that my last inductor can handle only 200 mA output, so I can not use high loads. This is my next challenge. Thanks for everybody who signed up on my channel and give me some support. Thank you!"

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 18, 2013, 11:17:15 PM
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties?   If it will make you feel better here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo
Well suits and one tie any way ....   and a bit more measuring equipment   ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 18, 2013, 11:20:31 PM
Can anyone know to Barbosa and Leal transformer input put is DC or AC current? And can someone translate most inportant things in patents they?
And then shorted secondary wire, why consumption in his divice is 0,1 W? Current must increas with shorted secondary winding. And from were going output in they divice?
This link is Patrick Kelly's latest Appendix 3 which has a translation of the patent:  http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Appendix3.pdf

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 18, 2013, 11:44:38 PM
Was it TK that wanted suits and ties?   If it will make you feel better here you go:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo)
Well suits and one tie any way ....   and a bit more measuring equipment   ;)

No, we need to see lab coats.  Without lab coats there is no credibility at all.  That's just the way it is.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on August 19, 2013, 02:18:52 AM
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)   the description about patent WO2013104042 :

"The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3".
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2013, 02:25:15 AM
Forget the suits and ties. I want to see the "1000 amp" circuit blow a 100 Amp fuse.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2013, 02:31:10 AM
From this link: http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapt3.html)   the description from the patent:

The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount.  Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3.

Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 19, 2013, 02:44:14 AM
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2013, 03:26:31 AM
Well this is the crux of the whole patent. They claim to have found a new effect. So you should be quite capable of disproving this yourself and putting out a video. - Seeing as you are KING of the nay-sayers. So prove to us all that it doesn't work !
Will you?

No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Liberty on August 19, 2013, 04:38:04 AM
No! I don't claim the effect, I don't know how to make it, my failure would prove nothing! And I know enough about the subject matter to know that the explanation given is bogus under our present knowledge. So it does no good at all for me to try anything at this point, except to try to get people to think a little bit.
I have indeed worked with real kiloampere currents, and I have indeed seen devices powered by groundloops involving Earth grounds and a phase of the mains supply. So I am proposing a couple of simple tests _that can only be done by someone who has such a device that "works"_ that would demonstrate the correctness of the claims.

Is this really so difficult for you to understand?  It is in no sense required that a skeptic prove the device wrong.... what is required is for the claimant to prove that the device is _not_ wrong. I don't believe the meter readings are accurate because of my prior experience with meters and with high currents and with oscillating currents, so I am asking for a more believable test: Blow a 100 amp fuse with the "1000 amp current". How unreasonable is that?
And I have seen deliberate and inadvertent cases where mains power leaked into a circuit through a "ground wire". In this case it is supposed to be leaking in that way, through an "inductive connection" but the sketch shows a single turn. Once again, because I have some little experience with inductive power transfer, I don't believe it, so I am giving the claimant a simple and easy couple of experiments that would go a long way towards convincing _me_ that the claims are true.

Is there something really wrong with that?

I may agree with the power (electron) leak through the ground scenario from TenselKoala as a possibility.  If you look at the electron trap picture, it taps into the power input and connects to the electron trap ground circuit, which would create a possible circuit from the power company neutral/ground, to the device (if the power company neutral/grd is close enough).  It might have the effect of bypassing the power meter, pulling power through the ground circuit.  The patent did specify that power could come from AC power.  If DC power was used, they may have put a diode in the circuit from the AC source which would create a DC current path.  There is room for question in my opinion.  Like was said above, a working unit would have to run on a battery for a power source to eliminate power coming from a power company ground circuit, bypassing the power meter.  More testing should be done.
 
 The other electron trap picture has the electron trap isolated from direct connection to input power.  But there is a plus sign connection point on the trap.  I don't know if a positive voltage is placed there, since it doesn't say on the patent?  If so, it may create another possible circuit through the ground path?  Lots of questions, not many answers at this point.  Not to be negative, just realistic.
 
 Liberty
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 19, 2013, 05:02:35 AM
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: crazycut06 on August 19, 2013, 05:17:51 AM
Hi,
Another video with a replication. I don´t understand clearly but he seems to try to convert the high amperage he got into voltage to apply it to external devices:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w)

Regards


In this video this setup is merely an inverter type setup, where low volts high amps converts high voltage to low amps, he did not check consumption on the input side if he was consuming the same amount of power with the light versus connected directly on mains....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 19, 2013, 05:42:49 AM
To those interested, I have spent hours pouring through the patents and drawings.  It is brilliant!  You will not be able to make it work until you can answer the SM question that I have asked on my thread...

What are the ramifications of dual rotating fields?  Why is that helpful?

Barbosa knows the answer and boldly states so in his patent.  Facinating! 

Cheers,

Bruce


If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 19, 2013, 05:59:14 AM
No-one on this thread is claiming the device works, but I disagree with the idea that it cannot work. I know Melnychenko (who Kapanadze states on occasions as being close) has a patent which I machine translated.
The gist of Melnychenko's patent is that a  transmitted signal  picks up static from the earth's electromagnetic field and this has a FE effect. Well, the  L1 of a transformer is also a transmitter, so I can see the possibility of a new source of energy. Nothing OU about it just FE, which is just as good.  OU is impossible, because you can't have more than 100%  of anything by definition.
Kapanadze also told me that his secret is "so simple you will laugh" (and then he cheated me and my partners, of course.) The Barbosa stuff qualifies as a suitable effect to substantiate Kapanadze's comment.
Even if something does not work, it is worth posting, because it saves useless "replication attempt" time.
Science takes no sides. It's just science.
And remember, we only have to be right ONCE!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Bruce_TPU on August 19, 2013, 06:04:14 AM

If you know the answer, then why don't you tell us. And what has this to do with the simple electron trap from the earth?

It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

Figure it out.  It is not hard!

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2013, 06:30:21 AM
"Energy from the ground" is a common misconception that comes around every now and then.  Even the notion that a supply of electrons from the ground "supplies the current" for the "extra power" in the circuit does not even make any sense.

No circuit needs electrons from the ground to support higher currents, none!  All circuits are closed-loops that the current circulates through.  Connecting a "ground pipe" to the circuit will do nothing.

Here is the crux of the matter:  Somewhere in the circuit there has to be a mechanism to up the pressure (voltage) to get the current to flow.  That device that ups the pressure needs a power source to run.  Any connection to the ground is not a power source in any way, nor is it even needed as explained above.

So, you are back to the question:  Where is the power source that feeds the device in the circuit that ups the pressure to create the current flow?  Somewhere in the circuit the voltage goes up, and that device that ups the voltage does not do it like "magic," there has to be some kind of mechanism that takes some form of supplied power and converts that into the upping of the voltage.

There is "pump" somewhere in the circuit to make the current flow, there simply has to be.  Where is it and what is it?  What kind of power source connects to the "pump" and where does the power come from?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2013, 06:34:38 AM
Quote
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

If by the "electron trap" you mean the ground connection, that's a non-starter, see my previous posting.

We are all waiting for you to spill the beans Bruce.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on August 19, 2013, 09:50:46 AM
It has EVERYTHING to do with the electron trap.

Figure it out.  It is not hard!

Cheers,

Bruce


Figure it out huh? You are the one supposed to have assembled a OU device (called TPU) and solved the energy problem?
Now you give hints and tips?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on August 19, 2013, 10:20:26 AM
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on August 19, 2013, 10:49:21 AM
Is there anyone anywhere that actually believes this? I sure don't.  It would be very easy to demonstrate this, if it were true. Me doing it, or not, will have no value. So let's see someone else, please, just perform this "principle experiment". Show a current in the Wire 5, which is merely wrapped around but not connected to Wire 4, separated by insulation as the sketch shows. Show how the final output of the device depends on whether or not the blue wire is connected to an earth ground or not. Further, power the input by AC from an inverter connected to batteries, and go pull the house mains breakers or service disconnect, all three phases. Does the device still operate as claimed?

Three simple, quick tests that would take at most an hour to perform and video, and that would actually provide some real proof of something unusual and interesting. Three tests we will _never_  actually see performed.
If wire conected to ground, not looped, then if energy going from ground, then input must also curent be not 0.1 A, but if load use let say 10 amps, then and input curent must be 12-10 amps, but not 0.1 amps.
Если даже земляной провод не обкручен, а с медью соединён со 4 проводом, том несколько витков толстым, высокоамперным, всё равно тогда получаеться что ток идёт напрямую от фазы с землёй, но тогда токовые клещи бы и должны показать 10-20 ампер, сколько там нагрузка, а не 0,1 ампер. Но нужно оба провода выходные из розетки проверить и если у обоих будет около 0,1 ампер, а нагрузка будет 1 киловатт к примеру, то уже есть свободная энергия и не важно, повторяюсь идёт ли к земле напрямую или нет, да это в какой-то мере не честно, но это всё равно мизер эта нечестносьт, потому что такого не должно быть даже если это нечестно.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on August 19, 2013, 11:01:17 AM
How I understand output is 26 amps and 220 volts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q) 2:34. It 5720 watts. Input is 22 watts.
But it only meashure neutral 0.1 A. 2:54
 He must measure and fase. Blue wire usualy is neutral. If in fase be 26-27 amps, then it means that were no free energy. Если он бы померил не неутраль, а фазу и там будет 26 ампер, тогда тут нет свободной энергии.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on August 19, 2013, 11:13:38 AM
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)


The  frenchman discovered Kapanadze method for lighing lamps? In other words, talking, showing junk and use of a ground wire?
OMG, i must go in business with those setups. It seems to be plenty of fools around. I guess my first steps would be to get viewers and then followers!


ops... i compromised my plan!


ps: seems i have too much free time since in vocations :P
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tagor on August 19, 2013, 07:22:26 PM
Hmm, I think the Truth is no so easy.Electron trap is kind of trick to avoid correct answer , while of course it's partially correct....it's hard to explain without going into details. However it's not  because ground electrons  have no energy. They have a lot.  Another point is misconception of ground  ,it is not the same ground concept you think of.
The closest to the answer is Fabrice Andre (sure he is still silent about the details).  Watch his video and see the answer (if you can catch it, because it's not obvious)

I am sure that fabrice andre does not understand electronics ... so it is a scam ... or
it is the device of another guy and so : it could be "the closest to the answer"
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on August 20, 2013, 12:04:21 AM
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully.  Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most  scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ???!!!)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Liberty on August 20, 2013, 12:26:31 AM
This link to WO2013104041 Electromagnetic device for capturing free space electrons to generate electricity (http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/WO2013104041)  seems to be a much more complete description with better drawings than the WO2013104042 A1 link.  (Click on the options to translate to your language).

Thanks zeitsmachine for the link,

Liberty
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tagor on August 20, 2013, 07:45:08 AM
Fabrice Andre knows the answer , which doesn't mean he has a working device (which I do not know). Just watch video and read carefully.  Simple scientific fact is used...which is the most  scientifically avoided task for research (they knew the answer and cover it ??? !!!)

do you speak french ? do you speak with fabrice andre ?
fabrice has no answear  , he is speaking and speaking ... and nothing !
he said to open the device ... but nothing and nothing
so what are you waiting for ?

after 100 lectures with FA , what do you learned ? nothing !!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: gauschor on August 20, 2013, 05:33:36 PM
No, we need to see lab coats.  Without lab coats there is no credibility at all.  That's just the way it is.

And the lab coats must feature some dirt. If it's too sober it looks like fake, and if it's too messy, it looks like a hobbyist who is sloppy in his  experiments (and therefore mostly a non working device).
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on August 21, 2013, 02:26:13 AM
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 21, 2013, 04:00:36 AM
Is there ANYBODY that can post a SCHEMATIC or Circuit Diagram about this circuit??


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The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.
Input at the top, output at the bottom.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 21, 2013, 04:42:24 AM
The circuit diagram is on page 4 by Hanon.
Input at the top, output at the bottom.
That and there are plenty of details and diagrams in Patrick Kelly's latest update of Chapter 3 of his Free energy book as well as the text of the patent in his Appendix now maintained by Lamare at http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/ (http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/)  where you can download the book, chapter and/or Appendix.   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 21, 2013, 04:55:55 AM
I gave this a quick and dirty half hearted try.  I think I spent a whole 15 minutes on it.  I don't want it to discourage anyone from trying as it was a one shot quick try.   I used an outside ground rod separate from the house electrical ground rod (although they are both close to the house) that is 8 foot long completely in the ground, copper clad type.   I used a big MOT that was being fed from an isolation 1:1 transformer into the MOT secondary (high turns of fine gauge wire).   I tried the primary of the MOT with the ground wire (12 gauge) wrapped around it.  I also tried running a separate wire around the secondary with just 2 turns and tried the ground wrapped around it.  Initially I was getting about 0.2 volts but I then reversed the input wires (think neutral and hot in house wiring) and I then got about 2 volts.  I then tried hooking the ground directly to the 2 loop wire and saw 12 volts but not enough current to even light a little 5mm LED.   I couldn't see any amps on my meter but I think when I went to the Fluke microamp scale I saw 1/10 of a microamp.   So that should be enough to run my house  ....   LOL.
   

I could see there would be a lot of other ways to go about this and a whole lot of things I didn't try yet so don't let my quick test discourage anyone.   It's really a simple device if there IS anything to it.  I'm not sure I have all the details right and there is also the possibility that like most patents they hide something to make it less likely to be copied.   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 21, 2013, 05:07:18 AM
e2:

Wow, my earth battery outputs more than that  and I have been able to light 400 leds, a 48" floro tube and also run a Bedini motor from it.  (Not at the same time)  I still don't see where these guys say the power is supposed to be coming from?

Thanks for reporting your tests.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on August 23, 2013, 07:48:31 PM

Latest Barbosa leal video today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg




Published on 23 Aug 2013
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Generation capacity Month: 28,728 kWh
Equipment installed: Industrial application


If this is a patent investment free energy scam, it's the king of all free energy scams.
BTW I can't get it to work either.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on August 23, 2013, 10:06:00 PM
Friends, please have hope but do not push hard . Do you think those sharks looking around are ready to give the goods people need ?  Hmm...I really hope Barbosa can fix problems for poor people in Brasil giving them jobs and better dreams but what do you see ? An electric cooker for a poor family ? A home heating system for those burning everything around to get a bit af warm air ? Or maybe an air conditioner ?


No, just another meter.  Like in late Kapanadze videos, when money took the soul of good man....Recall now the ealier Tariel videos and Ismael Aviso both talking about fixing local community problems....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MileHigh on August 23, 2013, 10:40:20 PM
This is clearly a criminal organization.  I can imagine that they bribed a production manager at this small wood shop so he or she would let them into the shop to film.  They put a sticker on an electrical box and then shot some video and put the clip up on YouTube.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lightningengineer on August 24, 2013, 02:16:27 AM
This is clearly a criminal organization.  I can imagine that they bribed a production manager at this small wood shop so he or she would let them into the shop to film.  They put a sticker on an electrical box and then shot some video and put the clip up on YouTube.

Totally agree

At worst it is what you state.  At best, an 'electron trap' can be used to steal power from the grid.  What it definitely is NOT is OU!  If this were OU, you could take a AA battery and step up watts to anything you like.  But no, you always see these scammers plugging into mains wall outlets and using sleight of hand with 9 volt batteries.  LOL

Steven Mark was a con, Kapanadze and Bruces TPU is foolishness also.  LOL @ schumann resonance.

Bruce TPU wasnt interested in the truth and deletes statements that point out errors in his thinking.  This is not the path of 'scientific discovery".  How many of you here actually test your theories on the bench before posting?  I know what is fact because I test it all out.  If you ever want to discover the truth for yourself dont wait for someone else to hand it on a platter.  Do it yourself!

Happy testing!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 24, 2013, 03:16:11 AM
Latest Barbosa leal video today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb_xrj2y7Vg)




Published on 23 Aug 2013
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Generation capacity Month: 28,728 kWh
Equipment installed: Industrial application


If this is a patent investment free energy scam, it's the king of all free energy scams.
BTW I can't get it to work either.
Well that video didn't last long - it's already MIA (missing).   Could you give a brief description of what was in the video if there isn't another place it can be viewed?   
BTW a helpful PM suggested I was using the wrong kind of wire in my test.  I'm not exactly sure what is the right kind yet but I'm guessing it might be to do the 2 turn wrap with Iron wire instead of copper.  Haven't tried that yet but I will. 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Qwert on August 24, 2013, 03:40:27 AM
Bruce TPU wasnt interested in the truth and deletes statements that point out errors in his thinking.  This is not the path of 'scientific discovery".  How many of you here actually test your theories on the bench before posting?  I know what is fact because I test it all out.  If you ever want to discover the truth for yourself dont wait for someone else to hand it on a platter.  Do it yourself!

Happy testing!

Oops!! I must come and defend Bruce_TPU. In my opinion, he is not a con and his real intention is just to build the SM's TPU replica or something alike that will work. I see him as a dreamer with strong willpower but (unfortunately) SM fanatic. The Bible and SM are equal truth for him (unfortunately). Yes, I have the privilege to watch his present work through my (small) contribution, so, this is my conclusion.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 24, 2013, 03:59:08 AM

I'm not exactly sure what is the right kind yet but I'm guessing it might be to do the 2 turn wrap with Iron wire instead of copper.  Haven't tried that yet but I will.

Iron wire? Copper wire?  If wound bifilar then this sounds a lot like the work of Nathan Stubblefield with his earth batteries.  Of course, if it is not real than the relationship does not matter.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 24, 2013, 04:18:24 AM
Don't forget the insulation. Different colors of insulation have different effects.

That is what screws people up when they start working with electronic circuits and house wiring. In electronic circuits the black insulation always means Ground, and in house wiring the black insulation always means Death. So it's no wonder people get confused -- not to mention the electrons.

And don't get me started about the red insulation.

That's why I always use bare wires whenever possible. A coil wound with completely bare wire has some very interesting OU effects, you should try it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on August 24, 2013, 04:31:19 AM
I take it that's a bit of sarcasm TK but true on the color of wiring insulation.   I agree it was a bad choice someone made along the way to have white for ground or neutral in house wiring with black the hot side considering standard battery or electronics is black for ground or negative with red for positive.   And of course there is the other hot leg in 240 VAC house wiring being red normally.   I started with electronics when I was very young but later wired 2 houses completely so I got used to both systems but still think it's something that could have been done differently when deciding on NEC wire colors.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 24, 2013, 04:39:22 AM
I grew up playing with dc.  (car stereos, etc)  Then, I got into house wiring.  I asked the electrician i was working with if the white was the ground.  He said no, it was the neutral and has no relationship to ground whatsoever.  Fine.  What did I see at the breaker box?  All the white wires went to a bus bar that was....yes....tied to ground.  I agree the colors could have been handled better.  Then I got into 240 3 phase at our machine shop...that is really weird.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 24, 2013, 06:35:19 AM
Sarcasm? Moi?

The problem with ill-specified, or no, testable hypotheses and hand-waving explanations and so on is that it is always possible for the claimant to claim your "replication" failed to produce the needed results because you didn't duplicate some essential feature. What, your TPU doesn't work? Maybe it's not exactly the right diameter. Your MyLOW replication won't spin on its own? Well you can see that the magnets need to be precisely located to the hundredth of a millimeter. Your Brazilian selfpowered energy from the ground doesn't work even though you followed the patent exactly? You are clearly on the wrong side of the planet, it only works in the Southern Hemisphere.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: markdansie on August 24, 2013, 06:57:43 AM
TK, you should know things work better in the southern hemisphere because everything is upside down. For instance they all have blood rushing to their heads down there.


Good to see your back with all your wit, humor and surgical precision.


Kind Regards


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tinman on August 24, 2013, 07:05:43 AM
@TK
Over here the black insulated wire is neutral.
Red,Brown and white are hot.
Black and blue are neutral
Green,green with yellow stripe are ground.
So here you can hold the black,blue,green and green with yellow stripe wires,and nothing will happen-provided the house is wired correctly lol.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: markdansie on August 24, 2013, 07:33:19 AM
@ tinman
well actually they adopted the European System Australia but as  kid I remember we had red, black and green. You made a good point....provided they wired the house correctly.
Mark
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on August 24, 2013, 09:09:46 AM
That is pretty scary, I didn't know that the wiring colors were different "down under". All kidding aside, I've heard of people being electrocuted because somebody wired an outlet incorrectly and the wrong wire was actually hot.
The moral being: Know your local codes, use a meter to confirm your wiring, and be careful!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on August 24, 2013, 02:20:38 PM
Just make sure the breaker is off then still test it with a meter, be very very careful snaking a wire into the main panel (hot box)
I burnt a snake into sparks everywhere scared the daylights out of me, lucky Im still here.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on August 28, 2013, 11:17:32 AM
Dear all!
I'm a new member of this forum. My English is bad , but will try. I'm reading a document of Vladimir Utkin then saw Barbosa and Leal's diagram same like Utkin's which he was description (pages 5-29,30,...). So, what is your think ??
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2013, 04:08:50 AM
Tony:

Welcome to the forum.  Can you post a link to Vlad's document?

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on August 29, 2013, 04:58:06 AM
Hi Bill!
Vladimir Utkin has article call is "Nicola Tesla's secrets for everybody" which Patrick J.Kelly mentioned in "Practical guide to free energy devices" ,too . Overunity has 1 directory of "Vladimir Utkin" and many other thread too (I'm searching agains).

I'm sorry! Correct is here:

www.overunity.com/solid state devices/62 pages of Vladimir Utkin by Patrick Kelly Everything we have been searching

Hope that you reading thorough. I think that Barbosa and Leal were copy all from Tesla's diagrams.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ecKen on August 29, 2013, 06:36:44 AM
Hey Pirate!

I have followed your posts and video's for the past few months....read the entire NS thread before joining. :o In fact, I am in the process of winding my ground coil. This looks to me like an attempt to take ground energy and amplify it using a different style of prime for "the pump".  ::) Maybe what looks like junk on the surface can be combined with what we have (my ground experiments with only rods work) and reconfigured to actually produce something more. Something to at least play with.

Thanks for all of your work and posts.

Ken
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2013, 01:42:08 AM
Hey Pirate!

I have followed your posts and video's for the past few months....read the entire NS thread before joining. :o In fact, I am in the process of winding my ground coil. This looks to me like an attempt to take ground energy and amplify it using a different style of prime for "the pump".  ::) Maybe what looks like junk on the surface can be combined with what we have (my ground experiments with only rods work) and reconfigured to actually produce something more. Something to at least play with.

Thanks for all of your work and posts.

Ken

Ken:

Thank you for all of your kind words.  I really appreciate that.  Welcome to OU.com.

I mentioned early on in this topic somewhere about this possibly being related to Stubblefield's work.  I am not sure if it is or not as I am still not sure as to what these guys are actually doing, if anything.  I am in a sort of wait and see mode on this one.

I look forward to seeing some of your experiments.

Thanks again,

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ecKen on August 30, 2013, 05:46:55 AM
Bill,
Thanks for the welcome. I too am in watch mode here. I will post all data from my experiments...probably here as it seems closely related to the NS stuff. The high amperage fits with my thoughts on the ground power; except that I think it has to be load specific. If you recall, NS had arc lamps working 24/7 on the "hills" around him. To me that means that once the pump is primed and delivering power he did not want to turn it off. Superstition or maybe it was too hard to actually hit the right combination of voltage / frequency / whatever to get the electricity to flow? Who knows. Maybe that's our enigma.  :o Still fun to have something to play with. ::)

Thanks again,

Ken
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: powerranger19863 on August 30, 2013, 05:53:29 AM
Energy from the ground?? what a cool idea!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Johan_1955 on September 03, 2013, 01:21:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIF8J-Wj8fs
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Johan_1955 on September 03, 2013, 01:24:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBtqPN_l5w
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on September 03, 2013, 02:19:45 AM
Can somebody PLEASE post a WIRING DIAGRAM for this?

What good is a YouTube Video without a schematic or wiring diagram?
Even a little kid would know that.  I thought we were Professional Knowledgeable Adults here, but maybe not??
.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on September 04, 2013, 11:57:06 PM
Another test posted in Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A)

According to the descrition: Input: 127 V, 0.5 A ; Output: 165 V , 4A . Again, the schematic is missing.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 02, 2013, 11:46:55 PM
Hi guys.
Has anybody actually tried as stated in  http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/PJKBook.html - page 196 ?

I tried to use the microwave oven transformer and low DC voltage (24V, also pulsed) . The transformer has couple turns of heating wire in middle which I used as closed loop and I hooked up the earth wire on it. With my DC I didn't get what I expected. I will try the 12V battery and AC inverter tomorrow.  Finger cross :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on October 04, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
According the Brazilian newspaper, yesterday the owners of Evoluçoes Energia was taken the policy headquarters in Imperatriz, Brazil to explain why they had  2 electric meters normally use by electric concessionary in their lab.
Also, they confiscated every equipment that they had. This include one that a friend of friend bought and  was supposed to be installed today.
Very awkward


http://oprogressonet.com/noticiario/14822/policia/2013/10/4/empresarios-sao-presos-acusados-de-receptacao/ (http://oprogressonet.com/noticiario/14822/policia/2013/10/4/empresarios-sao-presos-acusados-de-receptacao/)

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 05, 2013, 07:54:20 AM
Google Translate from the link so kindly provided above:

Entrepreneurs are arrested for receiving stolen

    ( Nilson Barbosa talking about the case to the press )
    PROGRESS

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Investigations of the Department of Defense Service Delegates ( DDSD ) , an agency of the State Superintendent of Criminal Investigations ( SEIC ) , started from a complaint of Companhia Energetica do Maranhao ( CEMAR ) .
The delegate Paulo Roberto Medeiros Carvalho chaired the inquiry opened to investigate the allegations of Justice and had the determination to carry out search and seizure of equipment to capture energy from the earth .
Would be made at the place where the search and seizure , we found three energy meters , which entrepreneurs and Cleriston Nilson Barbosa Leal had borrowed the Cooperative Rural Electrification . However , these meters had been seized by the Labor Court for payment of labor claims . It is noteworthy that the meters are proprietary Cemar .
Therefore , entrepreneurs and Cleriston Nilson Barbosa Leal were charged for receiving . Nilson said PROGRESS equipment that have been approved by an engineer Cemar , that even did a report that is on the internet . " This invention is patented and we are doing nothing hidden . Everything is being openly . Already had contact including the Minister Lobao days ago and we exposed our invention in Fecoimp , " Nilson said Barbosa .
The two entrepreneurs took corpus delicti and were at the Regional . The lawyers filed yesterday with bail application , which in this case can only be awarded in the judgment , and the two businessmen would be set free by the judicial duty .
- See more at :Google Translate for Business:Translator ToolkitWebsite TranslatorGlobal Market Finder

Thank you Ariovaldo for posting this info.

Bill
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 06, 2013, 11:44:36 AM
Can somebody PLEASE post a WIRING DIAGRAM for this?

What good is a YouTube Video without a schematic or wiring diagram?
Even a little kid would know that.  I thought we were Professional Knowledgeable Adults here, but maybe not??
.

From the video
2 transformer primaries   1 and 2 in parallel and connected to 220 v ac supply
 
Tr 1 and TR2 secondary  one turn each on series connected o the primry one turn to close the 6 mm copper single wire   
the output of TR 3  is connected to load lamp
Battery cable is an alternative   
 
for the new version using earth
dc to ac inverter to the above circuit
TR3 output one to load   and the other to earth
this is my interpretation  correct me if im wrong
 
Dreamyear has YT like this
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on October 06, 2013, 06:51:27 PM
Everyone is working up a good ground connection right  ;)

8 ft rod with 10 ga stranded, a water pipe may be better  :-\
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 06, 2013, 06:57:51 PM

From the video
2 transformer primaries   1 and 2 in parallel and connected to 220 v ac supply
 
Tr 1 and TR2 secondary  one turn each on series connected o the primry one turn to close the 6 mm copper single wire   
the output of TR 3  is connected to load lamp
Battery cable is an alternative   
 
for the new version using earth
dc to ac inverter to the above circuit
TR3 output one to load   and the other to earth
this is my interpretation  correct me if im wrong
 
Dreamyear has YT like this
Update  from 1st circuit
Using 3 identical transformers   220 v  to 24 v ac   10 watts        and a 220 v ac 50 hz 10 watts bulb
Input current   0.4 amps       output current to lamp is 0.2 amps
Will try to modify the  24 v ac coil into a stranded  6 mm  wire   tomorrow
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 06, 2013, 08:43:40 PM
Is there any simple method to measure ground reistance ? I know there are specialized meters but I couldn't afford buying one....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on October 07, 2013, 12:38:25 AM
  Ground resistance can be improve by imitating what TK showed in his back-yard video, by adding salt water to the grounding rod and surrounding areas. Or if you have a water well, the ground can be inserted into it. Which is similar to what Akula 0083 is doing, instead. But, he is also using a thick 10 meter long ground cable, to get to it, which is not an option. Shorter ground connections won't work, at least that's what he said. So, it may be acting as an antenna, as well as a ground.  Interesting ideas that still need some testing, by us.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 07, 2013, 02:31:57 AM
we add salt to galvanized plates / earth rod  in our 11kv substation
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 07, 2013, 07:38:57 AM
So a well with a 5 meters of iron pipe underground system is a good electrical ground ? how good is it ? That's the problem. In case of Kapanadze green box video ground had to be able to sink 23Amps.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on October 07, 2013, 09:13:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded
Carlos schematic!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 07, 2013, 07:51:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8JMkWxoj1A&feature=player_embedded)
Carlos schematic!
Using above schematic
220 v    ac   0.4 amps   input    loop current   120 amps    load    60 w lamp       w/o load is 68 amps
the loop cable is a 5 mm stranded wire     its too hot after 2 minutes you cannot touch it
I think that s why they used big size cable for the ampacity rise
In the video he used solid copper wire used in earthing  for the loop
two transformer is enough   the other transformer must have no modification  like for example  1 kw   transformer if you used it for air conditioner      my next test?????
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 07, 2013, 08:07:05 PM
Did anybody tried  with one transformer as on the picture from their patent application?  They use 2-3 windings of closed and polarized (+) loop   with the grounding wire hanging on it (not electrically connected). Also I do not think they use complete transformer . In one of their video there is possible to see that one of the coils is missing?   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 08:09:38 AM
Barbosa leal replication  081013  yt  totoalas      using carlos schematic 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 09:34:09 AM
Barbosa leal replication  081013  yt  totoalas      using carlos schematic


You mentioned earlier of using 6 mm stranded wire for the loop, did you find that the power output was higher with the larger wire?
What was your input to output power level results?
Thanks for sharing your experiment results on this very interesting design.
Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on October 08, 2013, 01:53:56 PM
Is the energy coming from the ground or the long transmission line, if you notice their ground line is long as well.
Would a long bifilar connected to ground work  ;)

Are we seeing a common denominator here with all these devices.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on October 08, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
Maybe  :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 05:08:40 PM

You mentioned earlier of using 6 mm stranded wire for the loop, did you find that the power output was higher with the larger wire?
What was your input to output power level results?
Thanks for sharing your experiment results on this very interesting design.
Cheers
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet   but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 05:42:55 PM
Maybe  :D


Talking about windings on an earth ground  ;)


Here is a youtube on
Stubblefield Earth Cell Battery Demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNoLfjIEac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNoLfjIEac)
Quote
This is a demonstration of Nathan Stubblefield's invention, the Earth Cell Battery, patented in 1898 (patent no 600,457). It is a coil that when immersed in the earth's surface taps telluric currents of the earth that can be read with a voltimeter.
Two different wires wound on coil then berried in ground, insulated copper wire and iron wire.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 05:51:07 PM
Yes on the loop only .... never measured on the light bub yet   but the loop cable surely will melt with this current just like touching a hot iron


Any special ground designs used? Barbosa also had an aerial patent design that did not need a ground connection? 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 06:31:19 PM

Any special ground designs used? Barbosa also had an aerial patent design that did not need a ground connection?
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
The loop cable temperature rise from 25 to 70 deg C at the termination point of the end loop cable in 5 minutes which melted the plastic in the terminal block
The reason for the heat at the termination end of the loop is it must pass to a coil to absorb the heat and not to a 2 turn coil I made   ...  Carlos used the third coil to close the loop....   mine used the two turn coil from same wire loop
 

The earth ground is another circuit   thats another test
from my tests   we just need to put the right size of third transformer  for ex   1 kw for air conditioning   never tried it yet
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 06:56:26 PM
Output current measured on the bulb is 0.3 Amps
The loop cable temperature rise from 25 to 70 deg C at the termination point of the end loop cable in 5 minutes which melted the plastic in the terminal block
The reason for the heat at the termination end of the loop is it must pass to a coil to absorb the heat and not to a 2 turn coil I made   ...  Carlos used the third coil to close the loop....   mine used the two turn coil from same wire loop
 

The earth ground is another circuit   thats another test
from my tests   we just need to put the right size of third transformer  for ex   1 kw for air conditioning   never tried it yet


Is your setup with 2 transformers, or 3 like Carlos?  If 2 do you plan on trying out with 3 transformers?



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 06:59:52 PM
my set up used 3 transformers with the third   as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
 
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
my set up used 3 transformers with the third   as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore


Okay, thank you for the description. Please post a photo or video when you get a chance, as a picture is worth a thousand words  :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on October 08, 2013, 07:09:50 PM

Is your setup with 2 transformers, or 3 like Carlos?  If 2 do you plan on trying out with 3 transformers?


I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o


In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on October 08, 2013, 07:22:07 PM
Maybe  :D


Good. Thinking out of the box.....
I tried that with copper. I will try using different material...Copper and iron for example....


Best Regards



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 07:31:10 PM

Okay, thank you for the description. Please post a photo or video when you get a chance, as a picture is worth a thousand words  :)

ps check barbosa leal replication  081013  youtube   totoalas
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 07:41:42 PM

ps check barbosa leal replication  081013  youtube   totoalas


Thank you for posting the videos.  Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire?  Where did the ground wire tie to?  Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on October 08, 2013, 07:42:08 PM

ps check barbosa leal replication  081013  youtube   totoalas


Good job my friend.
Thanks for sharing.



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 07:51:41 PM

I tried several configurations and none of them got OU. I got some others ideas and I share with you guys.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yp57lgCXc4I)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Y3E5gLvc25o)


In the first video, 2 transformers having 110 volts input in the primary ( transformer 1) and one 100 watts light bulb in the secondary ( transformer 2). The amps in the primary is 4.8A.
In the second video, the same 2 transformer but I put one of them in the top of the other. The amps drops to 2.4 A. The voltage in the secondary still the same.
This was just a test. I connect 3 transformer as my friend Carlos did and I had the same results.
By the way, using 1 transformer ans put 2 turns in the secondary in short circuit, the current goes to more than 100 Amps....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=x8Fo-rjD1ys)


Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire  :)


I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop?  What size was that wire and where did you ground it?  House ground or separate ground connection outside?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 07:52:56 PM

Thank you for posting the videos.  Was there a separate ground wire connection (loops?) to your added large closed loop coil wire?  Where did the ground wire tie to?  Building ground wire system or separate ground rod outside?
No earthing wire is used only carlos schematic
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 08, 2013, 08:02:46 PM
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU?  It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact  with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter"  I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 08, 2013, 08:39:09 PM
I am not sure about all this. Did you actually get OU?  It looks to me just like messing with active and reactive component of power and it is very normal the wire gets very hot because the electromagnetic induction. Barbosa and Lea they say the electron trap works on the principle of inducting electrons from the grounding wire which has no electrical contact  with the loop. To be honest with you I can't imagine how the small hook of wire can induct so much power into the loop. "The surface matter"  I can imagine the grounding wire wrapped all around the loop. I will try it as soon as I will get the transformers.


Here is Barbosa and Leal original video demonstration:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)


Is that the small green wire the grounding wire loop, which looks to be at least 1 turn on the large loop cable, the main grounding wire ? 


That green wire looks like a 12 awg next to that 0000 awg wire?  No way it could push 1000 amps. 


Something else is happening with that ground wire than just pushing amp?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on October 08, 2013, 08:39:38 PM

Thank you for sharing your experiment results. Yes, 100 amps needs that big wire  :)


I didn't see the ground wire connected to the loop?  What size was that wire and where did you ground it?  House ground or separate ground connection outside?
As I said, I tried several configurations and this one in the movie does show the ground. My ground is a industrial one and I saw no difference or any residual current....Still more tests to be done.
By the way, the loop current, as you can see in the video, goes to 1000 Amps at the starts and drops to 900 Amps. I could't keep on for more than 30 seconds. cable is 4/0.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 08, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) .  It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-)  and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC  (i think)  Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF  - not sinus? 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 08, 2013, 11:46:21 PM
I think they used the ground / loop induction and transformer secondary one  open line to limit the increase of current in the loop
the electron trap is in the loop cable   
using 3 transformers with 2 turns each   the third to the  220 v ac / 12 v dc converter  back to the 12 v dc battery that supplies the 2 parallel primary of transformer 1 and 2
the loop in the third transformer is extended and closed by a 4th coil  primary  400 / 220 v ac   and secondary open line to one leg of load     
earth to another leg of load
Now you have a self generating power supply    hope somebody will try this 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on October 09, 2013, 12:59:04 AM
   John.K1:
   I'm not sure about any of this, either.  Maybe Toto can try it and let us know if he ever obtains any positive results. 

 "The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+)" .
  Can you explain what is meant by having a "POLARIZED LOOP", in this case.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 09, 2013, 09:54:21 AM
I guess POLARIZED LOOP simply means to connect it to the positive terminal? As on the picture I posted before? That's what I read in their patent application? Have to experiment with that. And to be honest with you I do not believe it is so simple as they state. If yes - is here anybody who proved OU on that simple device? Sorry my pessimism 8) I have no transformers to mess with that at the moment. I am just winding the E core and will try to use pulsed DC , 3 loops of pickup wire and grounding wire winded on that.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 10, 2013, 01:42:17 AM
Leonardo bezerra has an interesting analysis of Barbosa diagram         you can check out on my YT channel
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truesearch on October 10, 2013, 02:14:46 AM
So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4)


truesearch
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NTesla on October 10, 2013, 11:05:43 AM
I attempted a replication using 3 large toroid transformers, 4 turns each for the center wire loop, using a variac for input (~100 to 230VAC @ 50hz), with the ground connection as per the patent. Nothing out of the ordinary occurred. I measured the voltage on the output end and it was ~50VAC at about 200VAC. At 230VAC it was enough to light a 75W incandescent light bulb as a load, however the input wattage was not OU (or even close to it).

My ground wire was looped around the center wire - I also tried it connected, and also forming a loop like a 1 to 1 air core transformer.

Note that I did not use my household ground - instead I used a seperate grounding rod I use for HV stuff that consists of thick copper wire connected to a large fencing hinge buried in the ground which I water prior to use.

As is to be expected with so few turns of wire as the secondary, the center wire loop did heat up quickly.

Assuming the patent is valid in terms of producing OU via ground fed electrons, it may be that more sophisticated electronics/configuration is required for resonance etc. The patent mentions both AC and DC input are applicable however this may simply be a statement to maximise the scope of the patent.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: John.K1 on October 10, 2013, 01:23:10 PM
Truesearch:  Thanks for link. It looks very similar to Kapanadze. I understand a little bit what he say and the point was again to get right resonance. His device we can see is around 1 KW and he attempt to make a device 2-3 KW. Even if this is a fake I still believe it is possible to make something like that.  I think, point is to not think the resonance only but also capacitance,rotational magnetic field and the property of copper ( transmutation ability - kicking effect)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on October 10, 2013, 02:14:41 PM
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 11, 2013, 06:54:42 AM
Following the suggestion in yt
Instead of copper tube o wrapped .6mm magnet wire around 6mm cable
I cannot make a loop due to increase in diameter so i just inserted the cable in 3 secondary transformers and then connect the earth to magnet wire
I used 12 v battery inverter  and consumed 900 ma dc    to light a load of one 5 watt led lamp and no more light will light up
Direct 220 v ac produced the same cause no turns made in the 3 transformer

To control the avalanche current  loop cable must be onserted into a cpper or aluminum  tubing
Next test will be with microwave ovem transformer
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on October 11, 2013, 07:10:30 AM
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.


Dear King,


Besides patents and rights etc ect, IMO Barbosa - Leal patent as well as Kapanadze device as has been depicted, fall short of a scientific fact besides the energy generation.
How a device can constitute such a huge capacitance so that working in a relative slow frequency (50 Hz etc) can oscillate from ground to device such ridiculously high currents as 10 20 or 30 amps.


Even a huge Tesla coil, with a gigantic topload (say 200pf) operating at increadibly high voltage 200Kv of smooth resonance (not spiked) having an inductive impedance of 10mH operating at 100Khz plus, will oscillate at this high frequency an average 9 amps.


How a small device, not even showing signs of electrostatic charge, one wire to ground connected and oscillating a current of 10,20,30 amps can exist?
Its not a small detail. Its an impossibility according standard methodologies and should be treated with skepticism.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 10:29:25 AM
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on October 11, 2013, 12:12:14 PM
I too have failed to replicate the Barbosa-Leal patent.
Under international patent law a patent is only valid if it contains sufficient information for an operative
skilled in the art to replicate the device.
Therefore these guys do NOT have a valid patent and anyone who discovers the secret
can patent their discovery.
Simple as that.
That goes also for Kapanadze.
Under patent law you are legally allowed to make a replication for your own personal use.

Skilled in what art! - faking / skulduggery? More than enough information to do that!!  ;D

You still seem convinced the Kapanadze hangs on to the secret of how his devices self-run. Surely now is the time for you to make him a final monetary offer before someone else discovers his secret, if they have not already done so. If he has any head for business, then he will surely take your offer as he knows time is running short. Its got to be a win-win situation with Tariel sitting on a wad of money and you with the device that you know is a self-runner and can make you a richer man. What's holding you back?
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 11, 2013, 01:40:25 PM

These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.

So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Leely on October 11, 2013, 02:17:31 PM
These patents actually has made me think that for all these years we have been taught wrong. The energy flows out of the earth/ground and not in.

So when we stick a metal pole in to the ground we are encouraging the energy to flow out and not current to be returned in to the ground.
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on October 11, 2013, 02:24:36 PM
@leely,

First seek how a "one terminal oscillator" can oscillate such currents in-out from the ground. Milestone one..

ps: I realy need Verpies contribution on the subject
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 11, 2013, 02:37:01 PM
And this pipe must be connected to earth ground . In the patent Barbosa Leal said the ground wire should be connected to the thick wire through magnetic induction . I believe also that the loads are not placed on the thick wire circuit but the circuit ground wire.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on October 11, 2013, 02:46:24 PM
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?

If we knew the answer to this, the Kapanadze thread would not be 1297 pages long!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MasterPlaster on October 11, 2013, 03:06:18 PM
So how do we draw the energy from the ground?

I am so frusteraited I have forgoten the name of the Russian guy doing an experiment. Picture a car ignitian coil connected in the middle of two diodes connected in series.

Also I am beginning to think of the output coil of a Tesla coil differently.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on October 11, 2013, 04:21:54 PM
All are eager to replicate Barbosa, Kapanadze or the frenchman's device that sucks energy from the ground in terms of oscillating current but nobody gives a sh...t IF its even possible via one wire to achieve that.


I have thought this in the past and tried unsuccessfully to just make it happen. You are all fond of Tesla's work but you do not even aknowledge this.. little bothering issue.
Actually indeed Tesla has suggested that and its found in his notes.


:)


ps: we are not talking about free energy, just one terminal oscillator large capacitance
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 11, 2013, 04:43:57 PM
This is may first test of Barbosa device. It is very interestingly.


Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 11, 2013, 04:55:14 PM
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  Good afternoon , I've been studying the patent Barbosa Leal and realized I : 1 - The secondary windings of the transformers do not seem to be conventional , 2 - There are two transformers , one he calls the coil and the other inducer . The transformer coil believe this is wrapped in a conventional manner ( the counterclockwise ) . The transformer inductor should be wound this the opposite of the first ( clockwise ) . be continue


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The transformer secondary to produce two equal poles should be wrapped as follows, start the first round, when you find the wire wich started the loop pass over it, down wire that is being rolled up, pass under the wire where it began coil and then all the way back to the beginning of the loop. This way you produce two equal poles. Do not forget that the other transformer all has to be exactly the opposite
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Yes, the Barbosa-Leal patents shows North-South poles in transformers and lining them up NS-NS-NS in several configerations.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on October 11, 2013, 05:57:04 PM
  In my work and testing of the Exciter circuits "energy from thin air", as in the different Dr. Stiffler type of oscillators, I had placed a diode (or AV plug) on the earth ground, and found the the energy is "flowing" into the direction of the device, from the ground, and not to the ground, as in normal "grounding" operations. And this extra energy can be measured with a meter, and is also accumulative into capacitors, and batteries.
  Now, could it be that there is no actual "flow" going on, neither into, nor out of, the Earth itself? But, instead there is a polarization effect that is happening. Possibly, not of electrons, but more similar to Ions? Which are also similar to how photons can create light. And that this polarization effect is causing a polarity of this "static current", which can be tapped into, and utilized to make useable electricity. And,  it's this polarization process, and not a flow, as we are currently assuming, that is what is causing the bulbs to light. Without any "flow" at all, but with a polarity, similar to a magnet. As there are no electrons flowing in a magnet, yet most all known sources of electricity production are using magnets to create and manufacture electricity.

  Just as lightning can light the sky, yet, without traveling as we are being taught, still. 
A polarization effect,  without any actual "movement", at all.  Static polarization.
  Think about it, don't let what we have been "taught" catch us with our pants down.

  If we are to figure out the cause and effect of free energy, we need to think differently, outside the "BOX", as it's not going to come from the same concepts as we have been taught, as when we are connected to a closed loop grid source.

  My contribution here is to instigate the idea, that, there is no movement going on, at all, but a "polarization process and effect" similar to a magnet, instead.
  Magnets don't run out of energy, because they are not the source of it. Although in time, their ability to create this useable polarity diminishes. 
 
  Don't argue the point, please.  Just think about it...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on October 11, 2013, 07:02:59 PM

Where do you place the connections for output loads? Use any ground connection?

I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 11, 2013, 07:48:54 PM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.


Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable  :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 12, 2013, 01:08:27 AM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.

Wrap the short circuit in a tesla coil bifilar  cw  n ccw  to connect both ends to load  as in slayer  ckt

Wrap the
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on October 12, 2013, 07:43:35 AM
I must first find the phenomenon to drive current from a short circuit.

Ground!  :) :)
No need ground, no need air. Energy from ground  :) :)

This is bullshit in Barbosa device.
This wire (grounding) use only for connect secundary winding of two or three transformer secundary.

Ground wire is the same like N-wire from Grid. Ground and N-wire from grid is the same potential.

So dear Shokac,

You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.

Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on October 12, 2013, 08:11:59 AM

Interesting, so don't need ground, that would make this design portable  :)
How many turns did you wind on your transformers with the new heavy gauge wire, wire size, photo of your setup?

Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.

Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".


Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on October 12, 2013, 08:26:55 AM
So dear Shokac,

You dismissed all the indications that barbosa and Kapanadze device as well SR etc that need a solid one wire ground and say that free energy can be achieved without.

Why you not dismiss in the same manner the free energy fact as well? :)

The first question.
Why ground?
Testatika no need ground... Barbosa in 3 patent not mentioned ground. Akula in his first video no need ground (Device work the same with ground and without ground).
Tesla use ground for second wire in his air transmision device.

Ground is use only for safe, because the N-wires in places poorly grounded.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: baroutologos on October 12, 2013, 04:16:12 PM
Energy from ground... without ground.. right :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 12, 2013, 08:42:32 PM
It depends what you need. If you need electrons then take it from ground or if you want to protect device from burning then dump excess energy to ground. Edwin Gray used deep cycle batteries but they often exploded....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 13, 2013, 08:00:14 AM
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw (http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw)
 
work in progrss
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 13, 2013, 07:31:59 PM
Secundary must have min 2 turns, max 4-5. With one turn can not get the poles. Wire...... the thicker wires, higher currents will be induced.

Barbosa says that electricity must induce opposite poles from preset multiple windings.
Read all 4 patents, especially the one with the "air".


Fig.9 shows the circuit diagram of the device, indicating the effect of electromagnetic field.


Yeah the "air" patent translated from Pat Kelly's A Practical Guide to ‘Free-Energy’ Devices


ELECTROMAGNETIC DEVICE FOR CAPTURING FREE 
SPACE ELECTRONS TO GENERATE ELECTRICITY

 
 
Application Number:  BR2013/000014 
Publication Date:  07/18/2013 
Filing Date:  01/11/2013 
Assignee:  EVOLUÇÕES ENERGIA LTDA (Rua Santa Tereza 1427-B Centro - Imperatriz -, MA - CEP -470 -
Maranhão, 65900, BR) 
 


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Objectives of the Invention 
The present invention aims to contribute to the  generation of sustainable energy, proposing electromagnetic
equipment capable of producing abundant electricity from an extremely low input of electrical energy. 

The above objective and other objectives are achieved in the present invention by a device comprising at least
three sets of at least one electromagnetic field generating device (without a core or with at least one core)
powered by an electrical power source, having their cores or any extension of them, with their coils or sets of
coils, wound on at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit which is polarised by a voltage
source, and these sets of electromagnetic field generating devices are arranged with their poles in confrontation,
to promote the interaction of electromagnetic fields, and, preferably, positioned between two hollow metallic
hemispheres, in order to focus and enhance their electromagnetic fields - these interactions cause a new
technical effect - the emergence of an electric current which keeps flowing in a closed loop, with or without voltage
being applied to that closed loop, current which is capable of powering external loads - even if no load is attached
to it. 

The device which is the object of the present invention operates as follows:  Sets of electromagnetic field
generating devices to be powered by an electrical power source, produce an electromagnetic field which induces
an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles, and through
repeated electromagnetic attraction and repulsion, provides an endless supply of electrons to the conductive
closed loop itself. 

The electrons attracted by this technique, augment the  current flowing in the closed conductive loop, which
provides the current to power external loads of high power, in spite of the fact that the device itself is supplied with
only a small level of power.  Thus, advantageously, the device which is disclosed in the present invention forms a
trap for electrons from space, resulting in the generation of electricity. The interconnections of the components of
the electron-trap cause, a new technical effect, namely, the appearance of an electric current which keeps circling
in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to the closed circuit
, and even without a load being
connected to it.  The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or thermal energy, providing access
to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.



This design reminds me of the stove cook-top induction heating units of pots and pans to cook food. Here they use the transformers induction with an added closed loop coil to also create an electrical current loop to then tap free electrical energy. This also looks like the electrical version of Edward Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder with magnetic circuit.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 13, 2013, 07:49:20 PM
Here is Fig. 12 from the "air" patent that shows their theory of the "electron trap" and how the electrons being repelled and attracted without resistance in a closed loop perceptual electric current flow.
Could it really be this simple to extract "free" electrical energy?
Back in Tesla's time there was common talk of free energy electrical devices to power homes and industry that were to be available to the public marketplace within a years time.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 13, 2013, 08:07:27 PM
More similarities of the Barbosa/Leal "air" coil patent with Mark Steven and Tesla designs.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 13, 2013, 10:47:53 PM
vrand


 ;) ;D ;D ;D


Something to consider : read statements by Harry Perrigo (electrical engineer!!! working in power plant for years!!!). You would understand something about "the problems".


I would say you a story (harrsing it with my simple english) .It is a  story of the son of great sheikh.Son who had fallen in love in ordinary poor girl.
His father told him : why you bother with this poor girl ?, I have 1000 in my harem, go and check them....
Son was a man with great intellect so he convinced himself that father is right. The next 5 years he "poked"  another women in harem each night and then he realised it is all in vein because he can't stop loving this poor girl. The point is - it was far too late to change the way he lived.... and so is for the elite....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 14, 2013, 07:36:51 AM
forest  :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.


Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Cheers







Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 14, 2013, 03:43:23 PM
http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw (http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw)
 
work in progrss
System grounded   
Will remove the iron core on all 4   and replace with ring magnets in insulated paper
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 14, 2013, 06:48:27 PM
my set up used 3 transformers with the third   as output tothe 60 watts lamp
Carlos has confirmed the set up and in the right direction and explore
load test using above set up
No load
input   0.5 amps  230 v ac
loop current   140 amps
output  0 amps
with load
input   0.7 amps
loop current   120 amps
output   0.3 amps
load    1.7 amps   electric drill
10 mm cable loop   very hot
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 14, 2013, 08:11:43 PM
forest  :)
Harry Perrigo also had an interesting invention Etheric Wave Accumulator that never made it to the marketplace, in that case it looked really complicated and labor intensive to build and also difficult to get it working.


Another excellent Info package from Rexresearch http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Cheers




Go, dig that info, eliminate dust and find one embarrasing comment (remember Perrigo was  qualified EE) which should open your eyes. The same Tom Bearden is talking for years but using unnecessary complicated theories.
You should understand why it is not possible to pop up with "energy from ground".
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on October 14, 2013, 08:12:36 PM
btw .... there is no other way , it is all connected to that single truth
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 14, 2013, 08:15:29 PM
load test using above set up
No load
input   0.5 amps  230 v ac
loop current   140 amps
output  0 amps
with load
input   0.7 amps
loop current   120 amps
output   0.3 amps
load    1.7 amps   electric drill
10 mm cable loop   very hot


Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 14, 2013, 11:41:56 PM

Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?  Its insulated but fine strand   will load the video later today


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
I will replace the insulation in my MOT since the system is is grounded blowing my 13 a fuse....  also I hit one coil and might be damaged during the cutting of the weld
1. I will try to test without e core and replace with magnet     ..... the loop I will insert a galvanized spring to see if the temperature will stabilize
Temperature control is one factor or you can connect the end of the loop with
a. heating elemet from an oven,  induction cooker coil, oil soaked radiator heater , water heater ,  copper tubing with running water
b. bigger transformer / capacity to suit the loading   
c.  in the video of Barbosa  the wire size does matter
 
 
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on October 15, 2013, 09:22:10 AM
This circuit is my next try.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 15, 2013, 11:51:29 AM
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on October 15, 2013, 04:09:37 PM
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.

The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL  two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).

Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413  Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o

Stupify :P ::)


Thank you for the update.
10 mm cable is good to 239 amps for transmission (Maximum 328 amps for chassis wiring) and typically the insulation is rated to 200 C temperature.
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)


Does your 10 mm cable have insulation on it or is it bare cable?


Have you also tried the Shokac circuit diagram that he posted up this page, it looked interesting.  The Barbosa/Leal circuit looks simple but must be some special kind of hookup to made it work.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 15, 2013, 06:05:59 PM
http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs (http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs)


Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment. 
How many coil turns per transformer? CW or CCW turns?  NS, NS, NS coil orientation?
Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: vrand on October 15, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
If the so called Energy from the Ground is Toroid Transformer as you showed on the picture. I know exactly how this Electro Dynamic Induction Machine=Rotating Transformer=Rotating Magnetic Field. In simple term it is the Lenzless Generator/Converter of Nikola Tesla which produce DNA like Waveform=means all loads will be in PHASE with the two Primary. TPU is another variation.

The converter only works with 2 Phase Alternating Currents for the Transformer has TWO sets of windings ( PRIMARY), 4 wound coils is connected in a manner that they fix the magnetic lines of field in 90 degrees.. The Converter/Transformer is powered with TWO Primaries on the toroid, the 4 coils is wound in a Asymmetrical Manner, Look for Patent Illustration of Nikola Tesla that you can clearly see the Windings e.g. 390,413 Figure 2 and 3. is a simple version which use only 3 TERMINAL  two different input of two Primaries with Common Grounding. This Transformer/Converter works like a Normal Transformer on any MERALCO Power Line which is Line to Ground(Earth).

Im about to build the Royer ZVS Oscillator to build the 390,413  Tesla Converter/ Transformer. The one you showed with 4 Terminal is power by DC input, with a special design of Commutator that will feed the 4 Terminal with a DNA like Squarewave. This design had long been documented and analyze together with my cousin when we have time to hang out. Read the patent but you will have a hard time to dig it out or understand the concept about that Converter/Electro Dynamic Induction Machine/Rotating Transformer/Egg of Columbus/4 Wound Coil Induction Motor of Nikola Tesla I think I already give you the origin of this device if im not wrong on what you mean. :o :o

Stupify :P ::)


Interesting, looking forward to experiments results  :)
"Hidden in plain sight" ?!
Over simplification take on my part, the shape and coil arraignments all looked similar to each other.  Some toroidal researchers have found that their is a VORTEX above the coil that can effect weather over-head, light sucking in clouds on a clear day and cause lightning to strike, yikes!
Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on October 15, 2013, 09:55:50 PM

Thank you for the video of your latest Barbosa/Leal replication experiment. 
How many coil turns per transformer?   2 TURNS
 
CW or CCW turns?   TR1 CW   TR2 CCW    TR3  CW
 NS, NS, NS coil orientation?   NS  SN   NS
Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: slotinnn on November 07, 2013, 12:26:17 AM
I have read all the topics and none of you follow the schetces in the patent. I think then you will not achieve the results made by leal and barbosa. Ground wire how do you connect? a simple close loop ? or an open loop? like a spring?


how do you fulfill  the figure 6 in your tests? For the moment I have no ideea and no explanations.
 
He states in the first part of the description that the key of the invention is aditive induction in both cicles of the oscilations. Kind a tricky because in the same time he states it work in DC .


Don t even think this invention is not true.


Has anyone tried the patent as it is written? as it is shown in the figures? Results?


Theree problems
1 iduction connection
2. wiring of the second coil - those 2-5 rounds of wire
3. possible anything not shown.
We have the results- well shown.
We have some clues and figures...
We have to find the path to the final and good result

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on November 07, 2013, 12:56:12 AM
Balbosa Test 2   100+amps  hot to touch  061113     youtube     just playing around   :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: BANDI on November 07, 2013, 12:16:54 PM
I tried the patent  as it is shown in the figures.
It dosen t work.
Bazicly is equal to put the load and the whole transformer in paralell and connect to the grid (specially in the poarized version).

Pin =Pout

No??
The magic is the ground connetion .
Enybody knows how it really is?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: enric on November 07, 2013, 03:15:23 PM
 Hi , Guys,
 
I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
 
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and  get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ????
 
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
 
But if possible, I would like a summary of the  group’s progress , any replication, etc
 
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
 
If you have any specific questions ?  I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more  information...
 
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.

enric@aliancaluz.org
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on November 08, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
thanks for the offer and support
you can throw in all the info you can get and we can start from there
ok  we can start with
size of transformer   input  and out put
size of secondary loop / current to for a 2 kw set up
any electronics  for a self loop
thanks
Sterling Allen has been updating also on the recent round up of the balbosa machine    PESN    and Mark Dainse Revolution - green    so your input is a welcome development in this thread    thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2QvjB0dx1l4
Smartscarecrow 2013 PMBO winners    check also in IAEC forum
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on November 09, 2013, 01:27:53 AM
I don't see the problem.

If people actually have found a overunity device working (Invented/reinvented/replicated) that doesn't even matter.
And they want to put it onto market or anything but its being hold by people/instance/government/whatever to make money.

Why they don't do this :

Open growshop (to dump the gangja).
Power 600.000 watts of light bulps.
Under that grow gangja (indoor obv).
Have safe(clean) water trough electrolyse.
Make every 9 weeks a netto profit of ATLEAST 937.500 euro's.

But since the size of it you need to pay the workers more, and 'lock' them for atleast 10 weeks.
Hey don't worry, they get paid more then working regular work !
(Though you need like 1700 square meters place).

This is a totally of the grid option !


Now that makes u settle for life, after a year for sure!

Now comes the best part.
You rinse/clean the planet of CO2.
You introduce oxygen in the world.
You have profit, to do whatever you want.
You published you're how-to so other people can do what u do.
People can get of the grid and be as close as possible government free.
You have the possibility to eliminate poor at all. (clean water trough electrolyze, a lot of free power everywhere).

So tell me, why does Barbosa and Leal not release the diagrams if you have come in contact with them ?
If there scared they also can go release on TOR anonymous.

Perhaps bring them contact with me ?

Sincerely.

So is this video possibly showing the same idea? Or is it just a fake??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIJjIBVJgU4)


truesearch
Nice find, and seems legit in my opinion.
Although it seems the lights don't shine too brightly ?
I have a re look on it tomorrow with YT/Google subtitles if the video supports is.

EDIT no subs support, anyone mind translating it ? I only understand 3 words.
1 being Battery.
2 being Tesla.
3 being Device.

English subs under it would be nice, any Russian volunteers ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on November 09, 2013, 02:27:22 AM
Hello all,
I ask "toto alas" and he said that the primary coil is:

"for the input  I used the original primary of the 50 watts 220  tp  24 v ac transformer"

This is his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cibqtywpLSI

I think this device is very easy to replicate. I will try it.

Thanks for all.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on November 09, 2013, 04:40:08 AM
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on November 09, 2013, 12:37:22 PM
China is well in front. 100,000 units per year. Ground Heat. 10KW CO2 turbine.
Link ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on November 10, 2013, 08:06:41 AM
Link ?
Bump and please ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on November 10, 2013, 12:01:56 PM
Hi , Guys,
 
I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment, and those sold were collected.
 
Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probaly will definitely, "bury" the work once again.
It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and  get a diagram of the machine. Who nows ??? ?
 
I am willing to cooperate here in São Paulo Brazil.
 
But if possible, I would like a summary of the  group’s progress , any replication, etc
 
If you already have any schematics extracted from the patentes ?
 
If you have any specific questions ?  I am gona call back the inventors in December, if any questions can be answered ... I can try to get some more  information...
 
Grateful....
Better send me direct email , i cant visit regulary this forun.

enric@aliancaluz.org

Hi,

Please, ask them, with how much money were satisfied with so that all together we obtain that money to tell us the secret.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on November 10, 2013, 09:40:14 PM
We've seen this time after time, where inventors do not give full disclosure in a patent and yet expect patent protection.
You can not have patent protection if you do not disclose everything.
Once you disclose everything, those skilled in the art can replicate and verify the device.
Patent law ALLOWS  anyone to make a working copy of a device.
What you are not allowed to do is make millions and not pay the inventors a royalty.
Payments to inventors are between 6 and 10 percent.
This protects both the inventors and the manufacturers.
When will inventors ever learn?
Title: So my first post in the forum after read much of your tests
Post by: Neofln on November 27, 2013, 08:29:59 AM
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.
Title: Re: So my first post in the forum after read much of your tests
Post by: Shokac on November 28, 2013, 11:26:12 AM
I think the earth ground connect to the loop, like u call the connection 5, to the wire 4, is done like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGSI_Zc2iP8&list=LLbcaIfmxRZhnnYVqG81kCZg) This guy used an induction transformer, maybe this is the right way. where one wire go to earth and the other used as neutral in pair with the wire 4 in closed loop and polarized. Another observation is that, in their patent, they talk that the loop wire envolves the main coil. This can be done of many ways. Imagine a simple coil compressed without core, now imagine the thicker wire, passing through this main coil, now that all is done u can put a core inside the first core, like ferrite or iron. I wanna test this so much but dont have any cores or awg wires in hands to do that :/ If someone can test this and show the results i will be a happy guy. I am a computer technician with some notion in eletronic from Brazil, not one expert but... This is how i will do the test, when i have the components in hands, maybe this take a while. Good luck for all. ;D By the way, that induction transformer can be seen in youtube looking for "strange russian transformer", the guy show exactly how one can be done, and i imagine that the electrons from ground are attracted by the polarized cable by this one, and one time there is electrons in the wire, is used like the neutral of the load circuit, after done the electrons inductance in the thicker coil. I dont have praticed my english for a long period but i think that u can understand me, if not msg me.

This is not the same!
This guy use current transformer for light bulb
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neofln on November 28, 2013, 01:14:17 PM
i know its not the same, this is just the first video that i remembered to show the current transformer... ;D
Title: a image say more than 1000 words...
Post by: Neofln on November 28, 2013, 01:31:39 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on November 28, 2013, 03:39:38 PM
OK  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: To Forest this, to the others sorry by this.
Post by: Neofln on November 29, 2013, 05:11:03 AM
 ;)
Forest... So you wanna make fun with me? No point of view is wrong until

it is refuted( you never tried to refute mine ). To reach results that

others have failed to get you must think different and  follow another

path. The greatest sign of wisdom is humility. Who is not wise is a

foolish, not a hero, and now you can laugh a lot. ;D The circuit that i

proposed, "IF" it works, dont close the cicle of energy meter, this will

reduce drasticaly your light invoice but probably not be over unit, maybe

this is what Barbosa and Leal got, a method to cheat the meter. I dont

know your place, dont know what type of meter the light company of your

place uses, but here in much places the companys still using the

eletromechanical meter. Have you know how a meter like this works? A

eletrical ac motor is connected in serie with the out of meter, when you

consume energy, the motor spins, Increasing the number on the meter, if

you dont close the circuit using phase and neutral, the meter can't

measure properly your consume because an ac motor needs phase and neutral

to work. This is the reason the phase from current transformer goes to

ground in the proposed circuit, just to have a new neutral to use with

load. This circuit was taken from interpreting the patent of Barbosa and

Leal in original, text and language. Remeber that u can ever translate a

text and replicate things but without information about how and where the

thing was made, and by who, you will never understand the thing that you

have replicated.

They can be genius or cheaters, by the way the second is more probably. In

their patent they don't talk about tests and measurements of over unity,

in their videos they show us, only that, with a small current of the light

company, they can measure much more in a cable, and get powered 6000w of

incandescent bulbs. So... The clip current meter that was used in the

vídeos will really get bigger current in the secondary of a step down transformer with only

two turns of thicker wire, if u get it closed in itself doing a loop, and

if u get it closed, the tension goes to zero, so u can polarize like any

other wire, without getting the two diferent tensions destroying each

other. Now that u have big current polarized the current will flow trough

the closed circuit and the current transformer will work, u already have a

good phase to use in load, comming from energy company, so put that new

phase generated by current transformer in the ground, and use the new

neutral in pair with the energy company phase to the load.

Talking about heater version, its just a simple transformer with shorted

secondary, more the voltage in the thick wire more the heat in the core

and in the wire, so two more laps of thick wire. This one really can be

used to generate steam and move a turbine like in nuclear usines, but i

don't think that have any economic advantages.

Maybe that two guys don't know more than anyone and really don't know what

they are doing. I wanna test this to know if this is a cheat, or if is

over unity.

Next time u have something to test, first try to know the simplest way,

the simple way is 99% of times the right direction.

If you wanna talk about my bad english remeber first, that i can be

understood in 3 languages and understand other people in 4.
I had tried my first eletromechanical moto-continuous 24 years ago when i

had 8yo. This is my obsession and i have thinked many ways and years to do

something like this work.
I'm not an authority, but for sure I'm a newby only in the forum, and not

a clown. I come here to try help, and to get help, to learn, and share my

insignificant knowledge about the things, so at least I expect some

respect. If u found a error, show me, like I showed the foundations of my

thinking.

And if such conduct is permitted in this forum like you done, here is my

replica to your joke.
Who is the joke now? Regards from the monkey, foolish.
Remember that You is not MY hero, and to don't mess with me.
 ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on November 29, 2013, 06:43:09 AM
Hello Neofln.

Don't be put off by that so few say, sometimes only one.  Usually a quick check confirms they have contributed nothing and pretend they are a somebody by writing shit as to why yours not work.  This is because they lacked the brains to suck and mother had to squeeze the tit or they'd die.  Now they so desperately want to be a somebody they pretend they have the intellect to knock others work. They want you to respond which is why they word things as they do. Then if you do their response discusses nothing said and comes out a complete new load of shit. They do this till your sick of replying.  On the plus side many many who agree with you not respond but take on board what you say.

Regards

Peter
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ARMCORTEX on November 29, 2013, 04:13:45 PM
Neo plz.... That paint drawing is just that, a botched paint drawing.

dont write such long text its bad manners for forums, if you have an idea make it and see, no arguing necessary over a paint drawing.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: enric on December 04, 2013, 12:40:16 PM
Neofln (http://www.overunity.com/profile/neofln.80419/),

Guy, please contact me. We, at The Light Alliance, are trying to replicate that Barbosa Patent, and we would like to talk to you.
Please , include my skype or email me !
"enrictoledo" enric@aliancaluz.org

Grato!!!!

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 04, 2013, 05:24:27 PM
Neofln


It was not joke. Good job. ::)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Bob Smith on December 05, 2013, 01:11:23 AM
Something I posted on the ENERGY AMPLIFICATION thread:
This involves drawing energy from the ground. I think it might be scaleable, and he says a few words to my suggestion about it.



Thought I'd share Janost's observations about mosfet behaving 'like' a spark gap, FWIW.http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-308.html#post230300 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4864-donald-smith-devices-too-good-true-308.html#post230300)Bob
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: RMatt on December 05, 2013, 06:44:56 AM
I'm no expert at all  :) , but there was mention of high temp's before. Could some of this be solved with non conductive fluids? Emerse(?) the main parts into a system with non cunductive fluids. Or, is there too much current? Too much voltage? Or, has anyone tried it?? ;)
Just a drunken thought, LOL. Would be cool 8).
Bob
PS Please remember that not all of us have a Doctorits Degree or what ever the GOV says is required to do or understand this stuff, we like to do it for fun and to help others, EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT ARE ONLY!!!! AFTER  PROFIT
!!! ANY AND ALL POLICTICALS!!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: solarismagnes on December 06, 2013, 12:59:45 AM
I am also a little bit confused with using the AC. The condition was to have POLARISED LOOP (+) .  It is quite logical as the grounding potential is (-)  and with the help of magnetic field can be free electrons attracted or pushed in to the loop. But this is not case of AC  (i think)  Also , I could imagine better functionality with very sharp ON/OF  - not sinus?

I believe that it shows in the patent drawing schematics that they are polarizing the loop via a connection to the negative supply terminal
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 06, 2013, 04:19:44 PM
Has anybody had any success with this?

Here is a video I found of one guy trying something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYNtx-2am0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYNtx-2am0)

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 09, 2013, 01:18:56 AM

@ enric posted Nov 7:  I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment,
    and those sold were collected.  Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probably will definitely,
    "bury" the work once again. It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and get a
     diagram of the machine. Who knows?
===================================================================================================================

enric, any new news yet?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on December 09, 2013, 02:47:47 PM
@ enric posted Nov 7:  I’ ve been in personal contact with the inventors, and on behalf of the lawsuit they are suffering right now, they can no longer sell the equipment,
    and those sold were collected.  Unfortunately they brought the equipment to validate on the university of “UNICAMP”, which means that they probably will definitely,
    "bury" the work once again. It seems that a new patent comes out in December and I was told by Nilson,  that after this date I could talk to them again and get a
     diagram of the machine. Who knows?
===================================================================================================================

enric, any new news yet?
This is either news, or a summary up;

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert

Source; http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 09, 2013, 03:39:50 PM
@mx1000,


Thank you for keeping us informed with your above post.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert)
                                                                                                 .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 10, 2013, 06:35:48 AM
The English full document is on free-energy-info.com. Chapter 3. Barbosa and Leal generator.
The relevant Barbosa and Leal patents in Portuguese can be downloaded here:
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa1.pdf
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa2.pdf
www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Barbosa3.pdf.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on December 10, 2013, 11:24:03 AM
@mx1000,


Thank you for keeping us informed with your above post.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.niburu.nl/innovatie/5555-braziliaanse-uitvinders-komen-met-apparaat-dat-vrije-energie-levert)
                                                                                                 .
Since they are only selling local I though why not buy ticket there.

But cheapest ticket is 3.800 euro. I call him later and perhaps I can buy with a track-and-trace option.

I even over pay for that.

I quote from there site, google translated;
Examples prototypes obtained by

1) - Consuming only 21 W 220 V the sensor generates an output 12.1 KW to feed a load of 6000 W 220V

Weight: 1.5 Kg

Measurements: 20x30x15 cm

2) - Consuming only 2000 W 220 V the sensor generates an output of 282 700 W 220V

Weight: 40 Kg

Measurements: 60x40x20 cm
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 11, 2013, 06:44:42 AM
This man has built the device (Earth connection).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc

You can replicate it. :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on December 11, 2013, 10:08:49 AM
This man has built the device (Earth connection).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc)

You can replicate it. :D
If you conect phase with ground you also get current, so he must run system from inverter. I think he just conect phase with ground.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 12, 2013, 04:58:29 PM
                                                                                                                                                .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 13, 2013, 06:51:36 AM
BREAKING: Inventors Harness Free Energy with New Device

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4

I hope that this device will be available for everyone.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 13, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
GOOD NEWS  (Thanks truongcongduc4)

A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 15, 2013, 02:12:48 AM
                                                                                                                                           .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on December 16, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
GOOD NEWS  (Thanks truongcongduc4)

A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)
I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.

Except for the video, you perhaps have a building statement ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 16, 2013, 01:59:48 PM
Does anybody have any IDEAS or HUNCH how they WIRED this to make it work?

Is it possible he MODIFIED a Microwave Oven Transformer?  If yes, What do you think he did?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microwave+oven+transformer&sm=12 (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=microwave+oven+transformer&sm=12)

                                                                                                                                    .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 16, 2013, 02:15:16 PM
HERE ARE 2 PARAGRAPHS FROM PAT KELLY'S PAGE 29, CHAPTER 3 PDF:

=================================================

The inventors describe their device like this: “this electromagnetic-field-generating device, powered by a power source, produces an electromagnetic field
which induces an electric current in a closed conductive circuit, creating an interaction between the magnetic poles of the equipment and the magnetic poles
of the earth - through both electromagnetic attraction and repulsion. An endless supply of electrons is drawn from the earth into the conductive closed loop,
which is connected to the ground through a conductive interconnected grid. The attracted electrons add to the current already flowing in the conductive
closed loop, making power available for driving high-power loads, although the device itself is supplied with only a small amount of power.”


One very interesting feature is that the continuous-loop coil formed by wire 4 in the diagram above, is literally, only two turns of wire. The power-gaining
mechanism, amazingly, is the earth wire (shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link
is by induction. With this arrangement, the current circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped
connection of wire 5, into wire 4, augmenting the current flow there by a major amount. Wire 3 can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get
alternating current in wire 4, but please understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result of the current in wire 3. If the current in wire 3 is DC,
then the current in wire 4 will be DC as this is not a conventional transformer, but instead, it is an electron trap, operating in an entirely different way.

The PDF is Below for DOWNLOADING:
.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 16, 2013, 02:22:57 PM
They advertise 22 Watts in, and 6000 WATTS OUT.

                                                                                                                                              .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on December 16, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
The 2 turns wire used fine strand in the 6kw  box  the earth  is only 6mm  dia
By iinduction   chk robert 33  yt   using 2 mots core connected only but has 1000 w lamp lit
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 16, 2013, 03:09:18 PM
                                                                                    .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on December 16, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
I checked robert 33 and found 20,200,000 hits!!!

Can you post the Link, or be more specific?  Thanks.
                                                                                                                     .
Microwave transformers test   youtube  electric experiments
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Brazilianguy on December 17, 2013, 12:10:46 AM

Totoalas whats happen with your videos?

http://youtu.be/fJLfIrxYiBs

http://youtu.be/jeNtqfmV4bw 

How about Leonaldo Bezerra the Brazilian guy who was replicating the experiment to? 

Could you show us what you know about the system, for sure you know something.

many thanks 

 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: infringer on December 17, 2013, 04:33:47 AM
hrmmm I'm missing something here I guess I don't fully understand how to replicate the device... Or has there been a full replication diagram available yet?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on December 17, 2013, 06:29:06 PM
I can't find any source about them selling it, or aiming to, sell it internationally in January.

Except for the video, you perhaps have a building statement ?
Would be nice to get a response  ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lancaIV on December 17, 2013, 06:56:52 PM
http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/ (http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/)
The problem (independently from the confiscation) : not minimal UL-or TUEV -equal approvement .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePvn34JkelY

Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: 6000W output and 1,5Kg total equipment material weight( light/lite version).
        6Kg(1KW/Kg) would be wundervoll, 1,5Kg is : wundersam ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoneboy on December 17, 2013, 07:23:53 PM
@fatbird, that loop in the image reminds me of something I saw at this link, he was using the loop to control current
http://sparkbangbuzz.com/corona-osc/corona-osc.htm (http://sparkbangbuzz.com/corona-osc/corona-osc.htm)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lancaIV on December 19, 2013, 11:48:52 AM
                     Happy birthday -25 years jubilee- open source :
[0040] To clarify the operation of this embodiment according to the in-vention, the following dimensioning of the transformer windings is given using Figure 17 as an example, the iron cores being dimensioned in accordance with the manner usual for transformers:
- winding 81: 100 windings, 220 V/50 Hz, 5 A at full load;
- winding 82: 1 winding, 5000 A;
- winding 84: 1000 windings, 5000 A;
- winding 85: 1100 windings, 4500 A, 220 V/50 Hz.

 [0041] From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84. Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1.1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000                                   

                                                                 superconducting= super low resistance

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: RMatt on December 20, 2013, 02:28:20 PM
Hi lancaIV,

Could not find figure 17. Can you give more detail about the wire guages (#AWG ?) for the different windings? And maybe a picture of figure 17.

Thank you,

Bob
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lancaIV on December 21, 2013, 07:49:41 AM
From the Herbert Adolf Zielinski list:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=adolf+zielinski (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=adolf+zielinski)
taking out this one:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881212&CC=FI&NR=885754A&KC=A
and there are the coil-winding informations-for 900KW output- bringing down to 5KW output: Kg ?
listend above also the superconductor producing process -thermal shock-


Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nightlife on December 23, 2013, 12:42:40 AM
 They say their device will power homes and automobiles. With that said and it being noted that it is a mobile device, where does getting electrons from the earth come into play when it is portable and not attached to the earth?
 Something sounds fishy about this. I can see someone being able to build a device that would attract a vibrance that would multiply a vibrance being used to create more power output then input but I dont think this is it. Atleast not as presented. The pending patent does not explain enough. Atleast not for me.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 23, 2013, 07:09:06 AM
May I ask you this question ? I think it is not simple one or two turns for the earth connection.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 23, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
May I ask you this question ? I think it is not simple one or two turns for the earth connection.
Hi All,
My idea is likely to be an large surface, thus absorb more charge transfer from the ground up, and see if the idea is reasonable, there will be composed almost a capacitor, not just a few turns of wire!
                                           
Regards.   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 23, 2013, 03:08:54 PM
I think you are right, that it will take more than 5 or 10 turns.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on December 23, 2013, 04:18:54 PM
A secondary encased in a copper or aluminum tube for induction
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 24, 2013, 04:53:30 PM
One more question. Where is the best point to put the earth connection?
The best point is in the centre of 2 turns coil. But you may make a mistake. Please don't forget. See these images for more detail.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 24, 2013, 06:38:11 PM
One more question. Where is the best point to put the earth connection?
The best point is in the centre of 2 turns coil. But you may make a mistake. Please don't forget. See these images for more detail.
Hi @truongcongduc4
Drawing on patent never shown true for all: They kept the (secret technology)! . .

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 25, 2013, 05:40:06 AM
Just make the experiment to test this case. :D Think it simple.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 08:12:36 AM
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức , bạn đang ở đâu vậy?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 08:20:06 AM
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức 4 : bạn không cần thí nghiệm , tôi đã làm rồi . Kết quả đúng là dòng thứ cấp đã tăng lên gần 100 lần. Lúc đầu , tôi cứ nghĩ là do ngắn mạch . Nhưng không phải vậy. Ngắn mạch chỉ tăng được khoảng 30 lần thôi. Tôi là người Việt đang sống ở Hải Phòng. Bạn đang ở đâu vậy : Mỹ, Đức ...(ta có thể nói chuyện bằng tiếng Việt mà!)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 25, 2013, 09:03:19 AM
tonygiang



xin lỗi, chúng tôi không thể nói tiếng Việt, chúng tôi chỉ có thể sử dụng tiếng Anh
nhưng nó rất thú vị những gì bạn nói
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on December 25, 2013, 10:48:10 AM
Hi all!
I'm sorry , but I think he was Vietnames and love mother tongue .
So, and I don't like Barbosa's design however very high its COP . I think Thane's design best. It undependence to the Earth.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 25, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Gửi bạn Trương Công Đức 4 : bạn không cần thí nghiệm , tôi đã làm rồi . Kết quả đúng là dòng thứ cấp đã tăng lên gần 100 lần. Lúc đầu , tôi cứ nghĩ là do ngắn mạch . Nhưng không phải vậy. Ngắn mạch chỉ tăng được khoảng 30 lần thôi. Tôi là người Việt đang sống ở Hải Phòng. Bạn đang ở đâu vậy : Mỹ, Đức ...(ta có thể nói chuyện bằng tiếng Việt mà!)
Chào Mọi Người, bạn @tonygiang

Gặp nhau trên diễn đàn này rất ít người Việt. Bạn đã thực hiện thí nghiệm thiết bị này? kết quả đạt đến mức khã quan thế nào rồi? Bạn hãy chia sẻ cho mọi thành viên cùng biết. Nói thực ra tôi vẫn luôn nghi ngờ thiết bị này không thực sự  làm việc như lời của nhà sáng chế !

Chúc sức khỏe.

havuhung
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 25, 2013, 03:32:54 PM
Hello @tonygiang;
Please share us your result.
Thanks,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tonygiang on December 26, 2013, 04:43:48 AM
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 26, 2013, 09:16:33 AM
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!
Hi All, @tonygiang
Well, thank you tips! I know they will choose to read the documentation! the only problem is: Read to understand and will do anything practical! . . You file a patent soon, we will be happy to have more people (talent) effort devoted to green energy and FE.

Vâng, cảm ơn lời khuyên! chúng tôi sẽ tự biết chọn lựa tài liệu để đọc! vấn đề chỉ là: Đọc để hiểu được và sẽ làm được những gì thực tế! . .  Bạn hãy sớm nộp bằng sáng chế, chúng tôi sẽ rất vui khi có thêm người (tài năng) cống hiến công sức cho năng lượng xanh và FE.

            Happy Merry Christmas

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ramset on December 26, 2013, 10:55:15 AM
Tony
Filing a patent HUH?
 
An old friend used to tell me ,
Never hand a man a stick to beat you with .
 
thx
Chet
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 27, 2013, 01:45:42 AM
This O-U invention looks like it is the SIMPLEST EVER in the history of the world, BUT it looks like this thread is DYING OUT.
NO transistors, no IC chips, no 555 chips, no diodes, no capacitors, no SCRs, no motors, no Gravity Wheels, no moving parts, etc, etc.  How much more simple can it get?

BUT it looks like NOBODY CARES because nobody has any ideas or hunches how to wire it up.  What a shame.  Oh well.

If you use the CHROME BROWSER, it will TRANSLATE their Portugese SITE into whatever language you want.
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AsdB4vUOpSciPW94UA0.Q.GbvZx4?p=download+chrome+browser&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900 (http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AsdB4vUOpSciPW94UA0.Q.GbvZx4?p=download+chrome+browser&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-900)

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)

You can Download the Patent from the attached PDF file, and it starts on Page 28:
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 27, 2013, 02:15:41 AM
This could change the world if they would just let it out.
It will eventually go the way of all the others.
Thanks for the link.
dave
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hartiberlin on December 27, 2013, 04:56:59 AM
Well, if we try to analyze their video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q

a bit more, you can see, that they are using such a green wire which comes
from the big black cable where they just fitted the green cable onto, so this seems to be the ground
wire where they say they extract all the power from.

I wonder, why this green ground wire is relatively small in diameter. It seems to go to all the 3 boxes there
and every box seems to have a bigger power output.

At least they show us 6 x 1000 Watts lamp being powered by one of the devices and also the amp
readings fit with about 27 Amps at 220 Volts gives about 6 KWatts.

Also the input Watts correspondens to the claimed 22 Watts, by being 220 Volts x 0.1 Amps.

Now the questions is, how do they wind the green cable onto their transformer core as shown
already here from their patents..
Maybe the patents are just not too revealing in telling the full story ? Maybe they did not publish all
the secrets inside the patents ?
The patents seem to not show any connection from this ground wire to anyof the transformer coil wires,
but claim that the wire is only wound around the other coil wires... Hmm.
maybe then the ground is also wound at least a few windings onto the core to have at least some
kind of magnetic induction effect onto the transformer maybe via standing waves, if it is open ended.

How could that provide any potential where induction current could be drawn from otherwise ???
Very mysterious... probably does not work directly at 50 Hz, must be some kind of RF induction input from the ground,
although the transformer hum is at the the typical 50 Hz tone.
Hmm...hope we will soon hear more about it from the inventors...
If anybody wh speaks Portugeasian language could post a transcripition of the video, that would be great,
would be interesting to know what they are saying in this video.

Many thanks.

Regards. Stefan.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 27, 2013, 07:07:02 AM
 Hi Stefan, Hi All
The drawing of the patent, only one wire from the ground and wrapped around the open end of the outer insulating the wire loop to which we see. Little to analyze a reasonable power principle: With the frequency of the electrical current in the loop is running 50/60 Hz corresponding to the working frequency of the primary coil is powered from the grid area, one wire wrapped around the outside of this open-ended what ineffective, the result will be quite sure!

It's just symbolic, purpose distract those who are looking into it.

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Schiko on December 27, 2013, 08:19:01 AM
Full transcript would be wasting time.
They do not talk about operation of the device, only data input and output power and yield of the devices.
About the green wire, 10mm flex cable, it says it is related to the load (6 KW) if load is greater wire has to follow.
The machine does not pull from the ground 6 KW, the ground just a little help (if you ask me if I believe it, I say, only seeing with my own eyes)   ::)
The third box (larger) can feed up to 200 KW load, ground wire is 240mm, and this value would be to the ground if the load was 200 kW (his words).
The rest just propaganda, we Brazilians are also very curious to know for work, but we all know when we can only see an open device ... unfortunately we have to be more patients, there is no other way.
I am pretty sure that the patent does not say anything relevant about the functioning of the "Captor" ...

Regards

ps: mas enfim vamos esperar os caras, eles tem o benefício da dúvida até prova em contrário!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 27, 2013, 11:32:45 AM
Stefan,
Guessing on any device without knowing the correct theory of operation is USELESS. I learned that hard following "free energy" last 14 years.
They are now is stalemate situation as always. Here is the real problem : it is very simple with very simple theory behind, but based on simple principle which almost everybody is taught to immediately dismiss ; that Earth magnetic field is HUGE energy coming from space and powering the rotation of our planet. The wheelwork of nature.... They can't explain it in detail because their effords to commercialize invention would be destroyed as for every inventor during last 120 years, however in such situation they are also at the power of commercial regulations controlled by elite who controls energy market..... They should not act this way, by direct opposition to the multibillion dollars bussiness...don't get me wrong - I like the idea, but direct opposition without any remedy it's like
Bolshevik Revolution -  may be a disaster without social changes...[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Schiko on December 27, 2013, 05:34:17 PM
@ forest

forest I'm inclined to agree with you.  ;)
The other day I was reading a Russian forum a guy demystifying Kapadze device.
He built the device making use of conventional calculations using "reactive power" to produce more energy and system feedback, no "esoteric" energy or ground, and was soon criticized by his peers and even then he showed how to make and yet some people did not believe him.  >:(
This situation favors the powerful guys in control of world energy.  :'(
While humans do not learn to share things of value, because only share what we do not have more value to us, things remain the same.  :-X  :-\

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 27, 2013, 06:09:15 PM
@ forest

forest I'm inclined to agree with you.  ;)
The other day I was reading a Russian forum a guy demystifying Kapadze device.
He built the device making use of conventional calculations using "reactive power" to produce more energy and system feedback, no "esoteric" energy or ground, and was soon criticized by his peers and even then he showed how to make and yet some people did not believe him.  >:(
This situation favors the powerful guys in control of world energy.  :'(
While humans do not learn to share things of value, because only share what we do not have more value to us, things remain the same.  :-X :-\

Regards


Can you post a link to this please?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Schiko on December 27, 2013, 06:53:58 PM

Can you post a link to this please?

Of corse my friend, here are the links ...

1 - http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze/47235-rabochaya-sxema-generatora-kapanadze.html

2 - http://realstrannik.ru/forum/39-kapanadze.html

have fun!

Happy new year to all!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 27, 2013, 07:38:04 PM
Hi Schiko,

Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 29, 2013, 03:32:57 AM
I try to make the experiment with this device. But nothing happen. The current in the loop does not increase. Maybe the earth connection must have more than 100 turns.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 29, 2013, 04:59:06 AM
I try to make the experiment with this device. But nothing happen. The current in the loop does not increase. Maybe the earth connection must have more than 100 turns.
Hi @ truongcongduc4

You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )

havuhung
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on December 29, 2013, 04:47:40 PM
Increase the induction conductivity in the secondary loop with ground
 :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 30, 2013, 06:41:58 AM
Think about this image. Extract free electrons from the ground base on the high current in the loop. How to make the current in 5 increase ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 30, 2013, 12:23:10 PM
Hi @truongcongduc4,
 Think about this: The law of conservation of energy is still present, you want to extract from the ground up charge your device (temporarily considered negative charges), you must have a corresponding positive charge to pull it up! Why? As the negatively charged surface did not (generous) to run up to you for free! So how are you (with interest) in terms of energy use??? :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 01:37:07 PM
If I were working on this I would bifilar the secondary one end to ground through diode, pump energy out of the ground.
There's lots of options using bifilar coils on both the primary and secondary, ground connections, antenna connections, outside coils to draw power in, capacitors to bounce energy.
Pump the bemf(positive energy) from a coil into a ground wire and see what you get back.
Im not saying any of this works but open up the system let it breath give yourself options to work with.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 01:43:39 PM
Hi @truongcongduc4,
 Think about this: The law of conservation of energy is still present, you want to extract from the ground up charge your device (temporarily considered negative charges), you must have a corresponding positive charge to pull it up! Why? As the negatively charged surface did not (generous) to run up to you for free! So how are you (with interest) in terms of energy use??? :D
Now your talking, I like it.
Use pos to attract neg
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 01:57:56 PM
Setup a simple device where the coils are easy to change out, build a pump
The maid thats me needs to clean up  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 02:07:11 PM
Lets toast some transistors blow up some capacitors,
Lets get this energy revolution going  ;D
Play safe boys and girls roflmao
seriously be careful this stuff can kill.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 02:31:44 PM
Im gonna cut the outer coils and replace them with a bifilar or maybe even a trifilar wound on ferrite rods to increase capacitance and self inductance.
pull energy out of the environment, or at least thats the goal,
I have the secondary setup bifilar as well, will be adding external coils and trying ground connections, antenna connections on that side too.
Its time to get serious, if they can do it we can too.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on December 30, 2013, 03:53:13 PM
Yes we can  Dave
The gap in the ferrite and a neodyne in between the gap.... please test also....  the KML you can add a telescopic antenna as well
 :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 30, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Yea Iv been wanting to try the KML coils, novel idea
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on December 30, 2013, 09:22:42 PM
Has anyone seen this replication from a fellow in Brazil, he has a couple of recent vids up. He has everything but the kitchen sink hanging off of it. He does however, seem to be achieving moderate success with a claim of 275 % efficiency. A ways to go yet... but this cannot be that difficult to figure out.  Apparently somewhere in the patent it mentions two ground rods placed at least ten feet apart, it must be where this fellow got the idea to use three. (multiple rods does not make much sense to me...)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoneboy on December 31, 2013, 02:01:41 AM
Trying to wrap my head around this, its got to be about charge/potential, the output is giving me trouble, if wires 4/5 are interwound then the output is due to interwinding capacitance?? Anyway, check out the section on Induced Electric Fields, if 5 wire is wrapped between coil 6/7 shouldn't the induced E create a diff between the open end and ground?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on December 31, 2013, 05:23:00 AM
I'm very busy now for my design. I will be post my result to this topic when after filed to uspto and wipo. You should be careful read Tesla's patent and relativety documents (examples Vladimir Utkin) .
Bye!

Tony you are wasting your time filing patents, you might as well show everyone what you have learned, that is if you have actually figured it out. How do you know that you have done anything unique? They never put everything in their patent to begin with, and are now figuring out no doubt, that they made a mistake in not doing so. If people cannot replicate, the patent is not enforceable.
 
They are also doing things differently now as they are connecting the ground to the bare wire of the secondary. There are also technical improvements added to their patents that no one knows the details of. There is also talk they have filed a new patent.

If Barbosa and Leal do not wind up dead before this hits the market, it will immediately be available to anyone who can wind a transformer with a closed loop secondary. They cannot continue to hide the simplicity of this device in a box.

Their plans right now are to license manufacturers. Manufacturers will wind up showing everyone how it is constructed. You cannot put a product like this on the market and keep it's design secret, this is not a bottle of coca cola. Their plans of charging 5000.00 for a one hundred dollar device will never work, never in a million years!  Nor will yours. You are not going to be able to enforce a patent on a simple device that anyone can build from scrap parts and sell to their neighbor.

This technology is a freebie for everyone once the design gets out! Wise up and share what you have learned, free energy does not belong to anyone.

P.S. Would you have figured anything out without Barbosa and Leal?



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on December 31, 2013, 05:42:49 AM
Yea Iv been wanting to try the KML coils, novel idea
Hi All, Hi Dave45
Thank you, I have two ideas towards point, you look at the positive direction is OK, the other point is the conclusion for two creators of the legendary Land Brasil... :D


                         Happy new year to you and yours


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Schiko on December 31, 2013, 06:45:06 AM
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things.  ;)
And this is a little more complicated.  ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same.  8)

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Magnethos on December 31, 2013, 08:27:05 AM
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.

Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.

At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 31, 2013, 01:49:15 PM
Excellent Points Earthenergy.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on December 31, 2013, 03:59:36 PM
Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?

I need to learn more. :D

I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on December 31, 2013, 05:31:06 PM
Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?

I need to learn more. :D

I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
I have two versions. One version plus and minus in picture in primary coil is neutral and phase. Other version plus and minus is plus and minus 200 volsts DC let say. But if this versiion, then probarly we not get curent any on secondary? So this version is probarly wrong?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on December 31, 2013, 07:41:37 PM
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.

Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.

At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Tell us more about the spherical cap please.

I have not had any luck pulling electrons from the ground but still working to that end.

Im still searching like everyone else if I find it you will know and how.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on December 31, 2013, 10:53:27 PM
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things.  ;)
And this is a little more complicated.  ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same.  8)

Regards



Agreed... I believe the capture of the electrons is just a part of what is going on. I think the real essence of this breakthrough is that a gateway is being opened into the ether, or into the dimension if you will, that  actually supplies a magnetic field with it's power. Look at a permanent magnet. One shot of electricity into a magnetic material and you have a circulating flow of electronic activity that keeps going and going and going.

In trying to replicate the Barbosa/Leal device it may be helpful for people not to not focus solely on the electron capture, it is probably only part of the process, there is probably energy coming in from somewhere else. Floyd Sweet tapped into the ether without a ground, so did Marks, and I believe EV Gray as well. Tapping into the ether with a pulsating field would seem to be what is taking place. It would also seem that the voltage is somehow sourced through the primary and the current is somehow sourced from the closed loop secondary.

Someone should be able to nail it soon enough, if not, we all wait for the Barbosa/Leal device to hit the market. ( If they are not taken out first that is, it remains a possibility as long as no one has replicated. They also seem to want to make a killing on the device at 5k a unit, so they may get bought off right away)

I believe they have the real deal, the best one yet, the cheapest and simplest to build, and one that is ready for implementation. 


 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 31, 2013, 10:57:48 PM
The PDF Patent is below for downloading.  This is really STRANGE, because I "assumed" that wires 4 were the output WIRES.  But after I re-read the patent several times,
he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So I "assumed" he meant the word loop INCLUDES the Load.  But apparently NOT.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4 are SHORTED TOGETHER
and together they form THEIR OWN LOOP in the Core, AND is 1 wire of the output!!  So if the Wires 4 are SHORTED to form 1 Output Wire, where is the OTHER OUTPUT WIRE??

Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post. 

1.  Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
     and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
     coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.

2.  The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current
     circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
     amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
     of the current in wire 3.
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on December 31, 2013, 11:19:14 PM
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!


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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)

Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.

I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?

Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 01, 2014, 01:00:11 AM
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS, and weighs ONLY 4 Pounds (1.5 KG).
That's a paradox too because I would think the box would weigh more than that.

The biggest one they advertise is 282,700 WATTS.
That could run a small TOWN.

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
         
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 01:12:36 AM
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS.

That is the small unit on the table in the 7 minute video, the one that powers the bank of 6 one thousand watt bulbs with an 220 volt input of .1 amp which is about 22 watts!  Output is 220 volts, 26 amps. The transformer must be very small as the weight of the unit is 1.5 kilos. Hard to believe... but I do not believe they are con artists.

What is the impossible dream though, is that they would be able to sell a $29.00 transformer for $5.000.00 dollars. It is a pipe dream. People will build their own unit once the secret is known. The device can never be kept secret, unless it is suppressed now before it gets out.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 01, 2014, 01:20:01 AM
Good points Earthenergy.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 02:48:11 AM
Fatbird the diagram you posted was not the right one, the text you posted was for the schematic below which is for their direct current generator which I find very interesting. I am going to test shortly. Thanks for your post you started me thinking. I had to go double check the source and discovered the DC schematic.

Hard to go wrong with this Direct Current version.  If it works, it is just as exciting as the AC unit, and one can hardly go wrong in testing the design. It seems pretty straightforward and one would think they tested the set up to see if it works before submitting the info.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 01, 2014, 06:16:35 AM
Hi All,
                                                         Happy New Year for All

I think that this device works in a completely different principle, not exactly what they talked about. Two Brazilian inventor who had created their own devices a legend (extract energy from the ground) to be patented!. . Read it carefully and test equipment on their principles announced, will surely have the answer.


Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 06:16:50 AM
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:


Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)


I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.


Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 04:05:46 PM
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:


Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)


I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.


Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.

You may be right about the DC design, I am going to test anyway.....to be sure.

On the AC demonstration if the current was coming from the grid and going to the ground it would seem that the current would have to show up on the amp meter clamped on the feed. I have not been able to see any mention of Brazil using swer, all references are for 220 single phase utilities in Brazil. That being said however, it is possible to run isolated single phase to the ground, and power a load in doing so.

Your failure to replicate cannot be considered as proof that it does not work. As someone once said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Kapandaze aptly demonstrated to a group of onlooking professional skeptics that 5KW was possible with a small device, with a ground hook up, and then to really blow their minds, he disconnected the battery.  The Kapandaze device has also been replicated on a smaller scale, also with a spark gap, and also disconnected from the battery. So no one can claim there is not an over unity principle being demonstrated.

So yes, I do believe Barbosa and Leal have probably also achieved success in a similar fashion, with a design that is a lot less complex.

The box is closed because they do not want people to know how they are doing it. The motive is no doubt, that it is very simple and very inexpensive to replicate once you see how it is done. Thus the fancy digital instrumentation to dress it up and make it look more sophisticated, and more expensive, than it really is.

If they wanted people to know how it is done they would open the box and show the circuitry, but that would spoil their plans to charge 5K for something that anyone could build with a discarded microwave transformer. Hence the plan to license manufacturers to charge the public exorbitant prices on their behalf.

Their plans will never pan out because at some point it has to be known what they are doing. One has to assume their newer patent filings will now disclose exactly what they are doing, because that is how patents work, you have to be able to replicate. From the looks of the dates on the existing patent work it may be another 6 months before that happens.

There is still plenty of time for suppression to take place. Really, they need to wake up from the pipe dream, show people what they are doing, and then charge a reasonable price for the device and get it on the market. They have no other choice IMHO.

Alternatively, if they are indeed stealing power, they will get absolutely nowhere, except to a jail cell, and very quickly so. They have to know that......
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 01, 2014, 04:29:26 PM
Well put EE (EarthEnergy).  I agree 100%.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 04:31:54 PM
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.


BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.


If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 01, 2014, 04:39:29 PM
In the previous link I posted is the following information about the grid system in Brazil:

Lloyd Mandeno OBE (1888-1973) fully developed SWER in New Zealand around 1925 for rural electrification. Although he termed it “Earth Working Single Wire Line” it was often called “Mandeno’s Clothesline”.[9] More than 200,000 kilometres have now been installed in Australia and New Zealand. It is considered safe, reliable and low cost, provided that safety features and earthing are correctly installed. The Australian standards are widely used and cited. It has been applied in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, Brazil, Africa, portions of the United States' Upper Midwest, and SWER interties have been proposed for Alaska and prototyped.




Use by developing nations


At present, certain developing nations have adopted SWER systems as their mains electricity systems, notably Laos, South Africa and Mozambique.[8] SWER is also used extensively in Brazil where it is termed “Redes Monofilares com Retorno por Terra” or “MRT”. There are detailed standards and drawings available in Brazilian Portuguese that would be transferable to other Portuguese speaking countries such as Angola and Mozambique.[16]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 04:57:36 PM
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.


BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.


If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.

Thanks a.king.... I just updated my post about loading to ground, it can be done with single phase, or with swer, it doesn't seem to matter, as I have done it with isolated square wave from a rectifier. It does show up on the meter. Are they pulling a meter scam? I doubt it.

I was not aware they have been using wording and or schematics from other patents, if that is true, it is not a good indicator, but is still not proof they are scamming, I do hope that scamming is not taking place, and I still do not think it is.

Not a pulsed input, just a moving field, Sweet proved that.

People also need to realize that we have always gotten an endless supply of free energy from magnetic fields. The force/energy applied to a generator shaft is not the force/energy coming out the other end. The energy applied to the generator shaft is used up to fight back emf from the induced field, it is not the energy that is converted into the electrical power that is coming out of the generator. It only appears that way. The electrical output of the generator is coming from the supplied magnetic field, over and over and over. That is in reality, a free energy pump that is restricted by back emf.

Regards

Further thought......  I would have to assume that that if they were stealing power the Utility company that came and took their meters back, and confiscated the boys transformers, would have also had them arrested for stealing power and trying to scam people in the process, it does not make any sense that the utility personnel would not level that accusation
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 01, 2014, 04:59:18 PM
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).


I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 05:13:48 PM
 if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ?


Forest, I have been able to take one lead of a DC to AC inverter to ground and light a bulb. Therefore any ac current, whether it is swer, single phase, or inverter supplied AC current, will run to the ground with just one lead from the ac source.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 05:40:38 PM
...
Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post. 

1.  Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
     and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
     coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.

2.  The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current
     circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
     amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
     of the current in wire 3.
.
Using this words and patent schematics, I draw schematic.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 05:50:23 PM
Answering to this piture question ansver is yes. http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/131386/image//
Ground always is positive. Hight voltage always is negative. Ground is like warm, hight voltage is like cold.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 06:06:19 PM
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!


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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)

Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.

I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?

Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway
You can put, How I understand DC curent, but if you want get AC curent on output, you must put in AC curent, but must work and with DC curent, that sounds wery strange, but in pictures is plus and minus and patent speaking about DC curent.In DC version primary must have more turns.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).


I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
If you use inverter and put one end it to ground, you not get any curent in this wire, maybe only wery small. And if you with one hand use one end of inverter, with other hand grounded cable, you not get basicly any shock, only maybe wery small. But if you use socket phase 220 volts in one hand and with other hand take cable conected to ground, then you be killed by electroshock instantly. Because you basicly put in you hands two ends of 220 volts AC.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 06:37:57 PM



BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


A.King,  I am wondering now if they are clamping the meter on the lead that is not going to ground... that would explain the .1 amp reading

Also now wondering now if the devices were taken because the utility figured out they were loading to ground.... could be the case!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 01, 2014, 07:12:12 PM
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 01, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
Hi a.king21
If simply conclude that (Barbosa and Leal device) does not work, will not convince everyone!
 
With the ingenious tricks that will make anyone look and will talk, that equipment is working!!!  Example : Device effectively collect energy from the ground to receive it : ( But please you read : I just gave an example to look wide and I do not take any responsibility if someone that this self-realization and self risk you take ) . You have to find somewhere to the ground wire from power transmission towers high voltage (>22,000 voltage), in a foggy weather conditions , rain , wet ground ! Leakage power safety devices on the transmission line will connect the ground wire to a voltage ( pretty high ) . And from a metal bar deep into the ground near the tower grounding wire , connect the ground wire from the metal bar to your device will get power! ;D

Why, it was working before your eyes???

Regards

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 01, 2014, 10:57:21 PM
It looks like all of his units have a LOOP out in front for checking current.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 01, 2014, 11:50:02 PM
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?

That is correct, the meter clamp should be put on both leads, one lead first, and then the other, just measuring one side is not proof. The current could be going through the other side, through the load, and then to ground.

It seems unusual that they have not been 'called on that' prior to making the video and would already know to demonstrate current flow in both leads, not just one.  It would also seem that, at one point or another, they would have seen the current flowing through the other lead and would then realize they were getting their power from the utility and not the ground.

You would also think they would be called out by someone at the trade show and made to put the clamp on both leads.....

The responsibility is certainly on them to produce a better video with a first class demonstration of loading. Only one, 1000 watt bulb is necessary, and it should be up on the table where all wires can be seen and identified.

To their credit however, they do clamp the meter on both sides of the input of the  large device and show the load going into the large device as identical on both leads. So if the smaller box is wired in the same manner, it would also show identical loads on both input leads. So the jury is still out.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on January 01, 2014, 11:53:34 PM


Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching.


@a.king21,

Hi, Could you explain the similarities that you have found between the Figuera´s patent and the one by Barbosa and Leal ?

Thanks,

Hanon
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 02, 2014, 02:25:46 AM
Figuera has a 4 trafo at right angles patent. It's not the one we normally look at it's an earlier one.
Barbosa Leal have a similar one.
Just my opinion.
I am not a nay sayer, just a realist. I was hoping they had the Kapanadze secret, but  I don't think so.
However if someone provides some experimental evidence that proves ou I am all ears.
Look, we are all experimenters. Their patent applications will not hold up.
How can a trafo work on DC?
Would you pass such a patent without evidence?
Also their motor generator patent is nonsense.
If anything Bruce De Palma and Bedini have precedence.
I am just being realistic.
But I am also interested in anyone's experimental results, if meaningful.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on January 02, 2014, 03:24:54 PM
Watch this video in 1:38 and 2:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsPeceaPTUo

Current loop in hoot wire and neutral wire. ????
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 02, 2014, 06:47:22 PM
I am afraid you just cannot trust clamp meters. Dave 45 made a classic mistake with one on the energy amplification
forum just today. It happens to the best of us.
That's one reason why Verpies is designing a foolproof test circuit on the Dally thread.
Of course, a clamp meter is enough to fool would be investors. That is the problem.
Barbosa Leal have also not shown any convincing evidence of a device self running for any length of time.
If someone can post just one piece of independent experimental evidence
then I will be the first to replicate.
There are plenty of patents that have been replicated.
One is by Carlos Benitez.
Another is a Tesla variation on the igniter patent by Tito Oracion.
Another is the TPU by the late Otto
Another is the Colorado Springs variation by the Old scientist.
Then there are the many Bedini replications where individuals are up to COP > 2 at present.
Then there is Angus Wangus who is putting Bedini energy back into the grid - although the jury is still out on that one.
And we have the Akula Kapanadze variations which are self runners.
Also Leedskalin's pmh has been replicated. (I've done 2 myself)
Not to mention the water HHO Stanley Meyer replications by people like Dave Lawton.
Please don't ask me to provide links. I am not a librarian.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: romerouk on January 03, 2014, 01:11:37 AM
@a.king

Looking to patent WO2013185198A1 we must understand that they are referring to a component of a system not the entire generator (Electromagnetic Equipment Capturing Electrons and Generating an Electromagnetic Field)
The transformer shown is not powered with a continuous DC power. Below I am attaching a picture with my view about this part of the generator.
Another possibility is that the transformer shown is not a transformer at all, I mean no iron or other metals core but air core. I understand that the smallest generator is below 2kg. If that is true then 100% there is an air core transformer, just like Kapanadze, in reality air core it the best.
All other Barbosa patents are linked to this one or WO2013104039A1 depending on the source of additional power, Earth or Air.

Best regards,
Romero
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on January 03, 2014, 01:17:55 AM
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:


Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return)


I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.


Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.

This is the most significant post in this thread.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 03, 2014, 01:37:23 AM
Great Post Romerouk,

Yeah, I too am wondering if it has an AIR CORE because just the EMPTY METAL BOX should weigh 3 or 4 pounds.

Looking at the Spec Sheet below (posted on their site) their SMALLEST UNIT weighs 1.5 KG.

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 03, 2014, 02:54:47 AM
@a.king


Another possibility is that the transformer shown is not a transformer at all, I mean no iron or other metals core but air core. I understand that the smallest generator is below 2kg. If that is true then 100% there is an air core transformer, just like Kapanadze, in reality air core it the best.
All other Barbosa patents are linked to this one or WO2013104039A1 depending on the source of additional power, Earth or Air.

Best regards,
Romero

Thanks for pointing out the weight, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 03, 2014, 04:38:16 AM
Here is an exciting overunity transformer, perhaps it is on another thread, but thought I would post here regardless. It is called a joule ringer. No amp meters needed to verify the efficiency of this device.

Not sure how to embed here on OU.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU

This is a newer version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g

Here is the latest, very amazing....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 03, 2014, 06:42:35 AM
I have a question. Is there any difference between 2 circuits ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 03, 2014, 06:57:28 AM
Hello all,
Could you please translate these videos to English please? (Full translate)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fujfam9GAQI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11OHuYleYQ4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk

Maybe we will understand how they can extract free electrons from the ground.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 03, 2014, 08:01:14 AM
Nowadays patenting is a tricky process - for example why not just a simple spark gap to ground instead of "captor" ?  :o  Maybe because it was in 1000 patents before ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: romerouk on January 03, 2014, 12:49:10 PM
More pictures and info about Barbosa generatorThe Electron Captor should use pulsed DC or AC. Best candidate for a quick test is an MOT using the high voltage coil as primary and a secondary loop coil made of coax cable.
In the patent WO2013104043 the system is powered from batteries this way we can eliminate the idea of stealing power from the grid.
What if the plus and minus signs are actually pointing to phase and neutral?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 03, 2014, 01:10:10 PM
@Romerouk

Great post disclosing the Jumper connection between Coil 3 and Coil 4.
Maybe that's one of the secrets for electrical operation they accidentally disclosed?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on January 03, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
Look patent with capturing electron from space. And this picture.

In presentation captor from ground, Barbosa have 3 box connect with ground cabel?!?!?

Secret is in the air captor patent?



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 03, 2014, 06:26:35 PM

How can a trafo work on DC?

This I also not understand. But if you make trafo on DC, you get electromagnet. In secondary windings is few turns of wery tick wire, to get wery much amps, in AC wery mych amps maybe create wery strong magnetic field, who mayve atracts electrons from ground, but in DC I dont know how explain, need jus try, that will be like in my schematic. But using DC need much more windings on primary and with tiner wire, to not get chort circuit.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 03, 2014, 06:41:28 PM
Great Post Romerouk,

Yeah, I too am wondering if it has an AIR CORE because just the EMPTY METAL BOX should weigh 3 or 4 pounds.

Looking at the Spec Sheet below (posted on their site) their SMALLEST UNIT weighs 1.5 KG.

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)
In air core you must have hight frenquency. And in patent is metal core drawed, who in perspective, but in 2D patents, no core. But you need wery much wire, to run on 50 herc on air core. Maybe 1000 meters wire.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 03, 2014, 06:45:13 PM
Here is an exciting overunity transformer, perhaps it is on another thread, but thought I would post here regardless. It is called a joule ringer. No amp meters needed to verify the efficiency of this device.

Not sure how to embed here on OU.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=homZvbKZHlU)

This is a newer version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g)

Here is the latest, very amazing....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3YWB-noPNo)
Joule ringer is not overunity. It have eficienty about 80-93 precents. If it overunity, why nobody can not make selfrunning?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 03, 2014, 08:37:57 PM
Hi All,
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?  Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?...


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on January 04, 2014, 03:37:03 PM
Hi All,
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?  Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?...
Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 05, 2014, 06:41:39 AM
Direction you can not know. I can ask you or water cold makes water warm colder, or water warm makes water cold warmer?
Hi MenofFather,
Thank you, for your hint is: Should the next step is to determine the voltage measured at a point in (Barbosa and Leal device) and earthing points.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 05, 2014, 12:46:06 PM
@Havuhung
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?
Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?

ANSWER:  The Current Probe has to be measuring current from the Patented Device BECAUSE the patent says insulated
                 Wire 5 is WRAPPED around Wire 4.
                                                                                                                   .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 05, 2014, 02:54:37 PM
@Havuhung
How to know the direction of the electric current is measured in ampere clamp from a piece of wire?
Is to determine the current power line from the device is being run into the ground, either from the ground up equipment?

ANSWER:  The Current Probe has to be measuring current from the Patented Device BECAUSE the patent says insulated
                 Wire 5 is WRAPPED around Wire 4.
                                                                                                                   .
Hi FatBird,
What To prove that attracted the Wire 4 electrical grounding wire from Wire 5, the measurements do not have here?. .


Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 06, 2014, 01:23:05 PM
Here they light up 6,000 Watts of Bulbs.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on January 06, 2014, 03:47:46 PM
They must be using high voltage in the system, thats the reason for the rubber gloves.
Must be a Kapandze setup, air core or ferrite, ground wire.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 06, 2014, 04:34:31 PM
They must be using high voltage in the system, thats the reason for the rubber gloves.
Must be a Kapandze setup, air core or ferrite, ground wire.


Dave, you are becoming more and more sharp... ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 08, 2014, 12:24:35 AM
A TV NEWS program says their Free Energy Device will go on SALE NEXT MONTH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 08, 2014, 02:37:34 AM
Do you think they can sell this product?
I don't think so. The dark government will stop them.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on January 08, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
Do you think they can sell this product?
I don't think so. The dark government will stop them.

maybe they will sell in digital media such as pdf or vidio.   ???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on January 09, 2014, 12:37:52 AM

How can a trafo work on DC?


Maybe they have developed a kind of magnetic amplifier...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on January 09, 2014, 12:46:16 AM
Maybe they have developed a kind of magnetic amplifier...
More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 09, 2014, 01:51:06 AM
More than likely its rectified ac that would mean without smoothing caps its pulsed dc.


Dave. is that to say a trans will work using pulsed DC ?

Regards

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 14, 2014, 07:19:27 AM
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lokke on January 14, 2014, 08:08:25 AM

in my opinion. the only way to achieve overunity is to use both sides of the pulsed magnetic plasma. It can be done in many ways. And Barbosa and Leal device is one of them.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on January 14, 2014, 08:58:28 AM
in my opinion. the only way to achieve overunity is to use both sides of the pulsed magnetic plasma. It can be done in many ways.

can you descript  that
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: lokke on January 14, 2014, 11:12:45 AM

Yes.
using the magnetic flux on both sides of a spark gap
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 14, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg)

Enjoy.
Hi All, @truongcongduc4
Connected devices such as the video display: If success is an illusion! . . :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 18, 2014, 10:18:27 AM
Hello all,
I have an idea and I need some experts to help me. Please think about this case.
More comments, more fun. :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 19, 2014, 06:47:08 AM
I think these videos will help you to understand my idea. Is it possible? I don't know.

Motion of Free Electrons in a Metal Wire => You can think about "motion of free electrons in the 2 turns coil".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIJVB9oFP8

How transformers work => When the input increases but you withdraw the current in the secondary coil, what will happen?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjwzpoCiF8A

Please correct me if I do something wrong.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 19, 2014, 11:26:19 AM
I have a different question... What is the rule to find the direction of current in secondary of transformer ? Is that the lenz rule ? From the last video the current direction was such that the resulting magnetic field was opposite to the source magnetic flux , N to N and S to S poles. Is that correct or the video had an error ?
If such then I ask : did anybody tried the transformer in such arrangement like in the last video but with two C like cores separated physically by a very small gap by adhesive tape loosely connecting them together ? If there are opposing poles inside core then it should try to break apart two C pieces pushing them away from each other ? IS that correct ?
Sorry for offtopic but I feel it is important to know that...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 19, 2014, 11:36:09 AM
Hello all,
More pictures to show you what I'm thinking. Remember that it is just an idea. And I don't know that: does it work or not ?
Please check it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 19, 2014, 12:06:59 PM
I have a different question... What is the rule to find the direction of current in secondary of transformer ? Is that the lenz rule ? From the last video the current direction was such that the resulting magnetic field was opposite to the source magnetic flux , N to N and S to S poles. Is that correct or the video had an error ?
If such then I ask : did anybody tried the transformer in such arrangement like in the last video but with two C like cores separated physically by a very small gap by adhesive tape loosely connecting them together ? If there are opposing poles inside core then it should try to break apart two C pieces pushing them away from each other ? IS that correct ?
Sorry for offtopic but I feel it is important to know that...

The last video just shows you "how the transformers work" in a very simple way. Please try to find another documents to understand the theory carefully if you think it is not correct.

My idea just talks about the loop, the coil (connect to the ground) and put them in the frame of transformer.

And you need to think out of the box. What will happen?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 19, 2014, 03:03:53 PM
@truongcongduc4,
These questions and your ideas prove that you do not have in-depth knowledge of the electricity industry class! . .
Những câu hỏi và ý tưởng của bạn chứng tỏ rằng: Bạn không có kiến thức trường lớp chuyên sâu về ngành Điện! . .

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: earthenergy on January 19, 2014, 05:06:55 PM
Hello all,
There is a man. He has succeeded with Barbosa and Leal device. (I hope so).
Please watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIu6tSoMh1Y&feature=c4-overview&list=UUVBBorUYaXxOd0gpdnwfDDg

Enjoy.

He posted the video several months ago and said he would update. He has not posted another word since. The video looked impressive at first with the ground wire looped around the closed loop windings but upon closer observation it also looks as though the ground may be connected to the copper as well. There is such a mess with the wiring you cannot easily see what is really going on. I believe he probably discovered he was running the load to ground, taking energy from the grid, and not getting anything extra. Otherwise he would probably have an improved device up and running by now and showing it to everyone. It is hard to believe it is a replication, unless he is doing a Tony Giang.....

IMO if Barbosa and Leal really wanted to impress the people they would use a small, pure sinewave inverter, to power the device, after all they are claiming 22 watts input and 6000 out, why would they want to use the grid to power the device? It does not make sense.

Time will very soon tell. If they can begin to sell devices and also manage to sign up manufacturers who have checked the device out, they will prove themselves to be legit.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 19, 2014, 05:32:54 PM
earthenergy: I agree with every word.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoneboy on January 19, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced  e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 19, 2014, 10:51:54 PM
Click on the Link below to see some guys working on this at a different site:
Maybe we can get some FRESH IDEAS to post here?

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php)


The Thread Title there is:   Overunity With NO Diodes, No Transistors, No Chips, No Gravity Wheels.
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 20, 2014, 01:58:50 AM
                                                                                                                                              .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 20, 2014, 02:24:30 AM
There is one thing we are all missing and it is staring us in the face.
The diagram is NOT an ordinary trafo.
I know of no trafo with so much space around the coil.
Could that be the "secret"?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 20, 2014, 02:33:14 AM
@truongcongduc4,
These questions and your ideas prove that you do not have in-depth knowledge of the electricity industry class! . .
Những câu hỏi và ý tưởng của bạn chứng tỏ rằng: Bạn không có kiến thức trường lớp chuyên sâu về ngành Điện! . .
Yes. You are right. So I need your help.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 20, 2014, 10:49:08 AM
Yes. You are right. So I need your help.


Don't give up. Edison has no formal education , ...me too..... ::)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 20, 2014, 04:13:57 PM
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced  e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 20, 2014, 06:29:23 PM
Yes, that's what I want to tell you. Please think about it.
@truongcongduc4
With a power transformer primary winding and secondary curricula simply refer to electricity is done. (No need to consider in which electrons do! Because generally we've inherited the master formula retransmission.)
With a FE device you look objectively reasonable if it is or not! for example: You stand on the shore of a lake, holding your hand alone (that is not a force any) a tube dipped into the water in the lake, you will guide your hand above the head tube in a cup of water to flow into the ly for you! Same thing for you to extract electrical equipment from the ground! Let's try a little thought about this.

Với một biến thế điện có cuộn sơ cấp và thứ cấp chỉ cần tham khảo giáo trình điện là xong.(Không cần phải xem xét electron chạy trong đó như thế nào! vì  nói chung ta đã được thừa hưởng công thức của các bậc thầy truyền lại.)
Với một thiết bị FE bạn hãy nhìn khách quan xem nó có hợp lý hay không! ví dụ: Bạn đứng trên bờ một hồ nước,tay bạn cầm yên(có nghĩa là không bất kỳ một lực) một chiếc ống nhúng sâu vào nước trong hồ, bạn sẽ hướng đầu ống phía trên tay bạn vào một chiếc ly để nước chảy vào chiếc ly cho bạn !!! Điều tương tự cho bạn với thiết bị trích xuất điện từ mặt đất ! Hãy thử một chút suy nghĩ về điều này.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 20, 2014, 07:05:57 PM
@havuhung, just musing so don't shoot me on this. The single loop "secondary" has an induced current in it resulting in a magnetic field, the grounded conductor/coil wrapped around it is parallel to the magnetic field/perpendicular to the induced  e-field and experiences charge separation. These charges are influenced by the magnetic field of the loop causing them to spin like in a cyclotron, emitting radiation?? Maybee that's the emission there are showing in one of the illustrations??
Hi @phoneboy,
With the frequency of the loop diagram indicates it will be equal to the frequency of the regional electricity grid (50/60 Hz). With this frequency will not happen effects you're talking about!  :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neofln on January 20, 2014, 10:05:55 PM

"IMO if Barbosa and Leal really wanted to impress the people they would use a small, pure sinewave inverter, to power the device, after all they are claiming 22 watts input and 6000 out, why would they want to use the grid to power the device? It does not make sense." earthenergy

Sorry friend, but like they, i live in Brazil, use the grid to power the device is the unique way to do something like this work and get some money, without die.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 21, 2014, 01:44:09 AM
@ Neofln,

Since you live in Brazil, is there any way you could take a camera photo, or cell phone picture of the inside of their smallest unit?
Maybe tell them you want to make sure there aren't any batteries in there??

Thanks.


                                     
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on January 21, 2014, 02:29:56 AM
Those boxes has epoxy all the way over :-X .



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 21, 2014, 12:09:29 PM
I wish that Barbosa and Leal will sell their products in this month and we can discover their secret.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 24, 2014, 05:11:30 PM
Does anybody have any new news, or new ideas?

                                                                                     .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 24, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
There must be something wrong with this site,
because photos aren't showing up anymore.


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: SolarLab on January 24, 2014, 10:55:07 PM
Hi Fellows,

I'm finding your chat on this thread quite "entertaining" (for lack of a better term) and the subject matter quite interesting. There have been far too many reported successful fabrications of Aether-Electric producing devices of late to seriously doubt the concept's authenticity.

In an effort to contribute a small bit here; please technically consider the following:

Dr. Harold Aspden's two latest patents [UK Patent # 2,432,463 May 23, 2007 and #2,390,941 January 21, 2004] both relating to "Electrical power generating apparatus."

Here are several related links, not only to the patent information but Aether Electric theory in general.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Harold_Aspden (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Harold_Aspden)
Scroll down to the PATENTS heading.

http://haroldaspden.com/ (http://haroldaspden.com/)
http://haroldaspden.com/reports/index.htm (http://haroldaspden.com/reports/index.htm)     
Aspden's "Reports," especially No. 1 and No. 6; you may find provide a fresh prospective (???).

Also, Dr. Peter Linderman did a presentation regarding his opinion on some of Nikola Tesla's patents regarding, to some extent, Radiant Energy. Although I personally believe that many of Peters conclusions are not fully correct; he does provoke some interesting thoughts!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPK5sGKdBMQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPK5sGKdBMQ)

Regards...

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: wistiti on January 25, 2014, 03:12:17 AM
Great intervention my freind!
:)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 25, 2014, 03:47:55 PM
Hello all,
I have a question. What will happen if I put the loop inside of the Tesla coil with high frequency? What do you think?
Regards,
DucTC
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 25, 2014, 04:16:32 PM
@truongcongduc4,
Cannot be implemented this!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 26, 2014, 03:26:50 AM
Hello @havuhung,
What will happen if the frequency is high enough to make the electrons moving faster and easier to trap? And it does not very high so that the device does not be burned.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on January 26, 2014, 05:35:18 AM
Hello @havuhung,
What will happen if the frequency is high enough to make the electrons moving faster and easier to trap? And it does not very high so that the device does not be burned.
@truongcongduc4,
If you just want to test, the technique using frequency converter, you can easily adjust the desired frequency. Tesla has a lot of patents, but often referred to as the high voltage is not compatible for your purposes!
One thing you do not understand is: You will spend a lot more energy to get a small amount of energy from the earth! . .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on January 29, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
@truongcongduc4 .
I have seen that you have uploaded The jaison' s video about the captor energia da terra . Have you tried   to replicated it ? If yes any results ? .Thanks in advance .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on January 31, 2014, 07:01:24 AM
A Captor witness report:

http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 31, 2014, 11:06:41 AM
Sorry @andrea_bor, I did not succeed. I just backup their videos.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on January 31, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
I repaint the picture. What do you think?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on January 31, 2014, 05:16:38 PM
There is some interesting info & photos at this Witness site:

http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on February 02, 2014, 01:49:41 PM
There is some interesting info & photos at this Witness site:

http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)

                                                                                                  .
They wanted to go live, in terms of international sales, in January this year.
Its now February. Anyone has news ?

Their site isn't updated with any information regarding this.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 03, 2014, 02:30:32 AM
Hi All,
I remember a time before news of the allegations (which steal electricity Brazilian authorities are questioning them!) Was unknown until now resolved yet? . . There are those who know about this?. .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 03, 2014, 09:57:02 AM
FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT.. try this link for some later information, look two thirds down the page,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
read especially the part about negotiations with the Brazillian electricity company, this seems to be the holdup, maybe they are trying to stop them.
check the new readings and save the PDF page ..

On January 9, 2014, we were informed that the new Captor test results from December 12 were flawed, as one of the Amp meters they used was faulty, giving false readings for the battery's DC current. The above table reflects the "corrected" readings.

Previously, we reported: On December 12, 2013, Evolucoes Energia showed results from hooking their "free-space electron captor" to a battery, drawing 252 Watts, while powering a load of 1610 Watts -- which is 6.4 times overunity, showing the environmental free energy harvesting effect without being hooked to the grid.

- - - -

In November, 2013, Mr. Nilson said that he had an electrical engineer check the workings of his equipment, but it was not an independent examination. Additional validations are being scheduled.

here is a complete description and discussion of their invention .. very interesting ..
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm

 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 03, 2014, 01:48:12 PM
Here are some things I copied from their Patent, translated into English:
The patent can be downloaded and starts on Page 28.

The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are
connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.

The power coil 3 can be energized by any source of electrical energy such as a power grid. The electron-trap can be configured to produce
alternating current or direct current. So, if the external power supply is alternating electrical current - AC, then the electron-trap provides
an alternating electrical current output. If the power supply is DC, then the electron-trap provides an output of continuous electrical current - DC.

The coils, each have at least one turn, and if the objective is to generate electricity, then preferably two turns, and if the objective is thermal
energy, then four turns. The coils 3 may have various different shapes. The number of turns in the coil are directly related to the amount of
current to be generated, and the connecting links may be either a single conductor or more than one conductor, the cross-sectional area of
conductor being selected to carry the current which is to be generated.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 03, 2014, 07:48:44 PM
I am not convinced that the witnesses had the necessary skills to validate the tests.

They do not tell us if both conductors coming from the grid were metered during the tests. It may still be just the one conductor amp-metered that we have seen in the video, which of course may only be showing trace amounts of the load. For a proper demo the meter has to be clamped on each of the conductors independently, not just the one.

They have not yet demonstrated self running, and they should be able to do so. Battery discharged after 4 hours? An inverter powered by a battery will run power to ground, albeit only on one of the inverter outputs, I have done it with a modified sine wave inverter. (Only one wire of the two coming from the inverter will load to ground, not sure why.) (Not a 'SWER' locale)

The 1600 watt load sounds impressive enough, but... is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.

Why are they not able to self run the unit with the inverter as an intial source and then just rectify the output to close loop the system? Same question with the grid as an initial  source?

Why are they hiding the unit in resin? The details are supposed to be in the Patent. A diligent business man will not license a technology unless the patent lines up with the product and can protect his product.

That they are building their own inverter to reduce costs does not make any sense. The market is saturated with inverters and it would be impossible to compete and why would they want to? Their unit has an extremely high mark up, why try and save a few bucks by building your own inverter?

They are willing to travel to demonstrate? Why not do a proper demonstration at home with qualified observers and independent test equipment?

It is also curious why they would have two meters from the power company. What measurements were they not sure of and double checking? If there was only 22 watts coming from the grid, and both conductors were metered, why the concern with grid meters? Something does not add up with that.

"The Captor with the 213,416 W output was hooked to a 3/4" iron pipe that worked as resistance. The Amp reading was 1002 A and the voltage reading was 213.6 V."

Loading a piece of steel pipe and heating it with high amperage is not an appropriate load test at all. Anyone who has tried to replicate their unit knows the high amp closed loop will produce a lot of heat very quickly with minimal input... and besides, who would have the nerve to short 1000 amps at 220 volts to a piece of pipe. You would have to be insane... i can guarantee you there was only half a volt, not 220. They may have measured 220 across the primary and the closed loop secondary but there is no way it was 220 going through the pipe, it would have blown up.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 03, 2014, 09:00:52 PM
' .. is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.'

and that was my first thought ... my second was .. if I can get it to power half a dozen storage heaters does it really matter ..  lol

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29  PAGE

http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm  discussion and details of invention
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on February 05, 2014, 11:09:13 AM
OK Guys, I have a replication of this setup below. and will produce a video to show how it "works" or more to the point doesn't work.

I have it set up to show several effects of the arrangement, I also have my own separate ground stake which is as good or better than the house ground stake. I'll be using an in line safety switch on the grid input so any discrepancy in the current on the Lines A<>N over 30 Ma will shut off the power. However once isolated current can be sent through the ground. Something to consider, Also they say the ground wire is just wrapped around the closed loop which would give a capacitive coupling to the loop, they also show the active line from the grid connected to the loop (in one iteration) and then the power is drawn from between the loop and the Neutral line, or in other words the power is drawn as normal.

Now if the current is measured through the closed loop and the voltage is measured between the closed loop and the Neutral line the "power" figure would be enormous but it is not a power value. I'll show why, I intend to use a step down transformer so that it has a "grounded neutral" of it's own as well as a coupled connection from that ground to the loop. And a direct connection from the active of my "LV line" to the loop.

In order not to melt the 10 Amp Auto wire I made the loop from I will need to vary the input voltage with a variac.

I'll be back with a video !.

Cheers

P.S. The last picture shows on the left one iteration as shown in the patent, on the right is how I have mine setup so as to get isolation from the grid but recreate a grounded neutral AC system. AS well in the bottom right hand corner I show how I will test using an actual capacitor as a coupling to the loop from the ground. Without connecting the active line to the loop I don;t see how it can work except for transferring through the capacitor to complete the load loop of current.

ALSO: I am fairly sure they do show the AC input half wave rectified in one arrangement but I also think they say it is not necessary and normal AC can be used. I can try rectified as well.

Can anyone confirm that last statement ?

..

 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on February 05, 2014, 04:45:07 PM
Glad Farmhand  you joined in   
My understanding of the circuit  is the 2 turn loop of the secondary is connected to another transformer with 2 turns as well
the input can be dc or ac ...... the loop is wrapped or encased in copper tube connected to ground  to dissipate the heat.... 
 If he used a rectifier   ac to dc   one leg of ac to live   the other leg is to ground  not the neutral   this for input
for output is the same in reverse  to produce ac

Ive tried this on reactive capacitor charger  and it works but tripped my cb  several times...... without the ground and just Neutral  my 7ah battery is humming out like it will explode ( 165 v dc   injection)  but with the  ground   the charge
climbed at a steady rate  :)

either he used three transformers   in a loop   two for input 2 turns in the secondaries    the third transformer same  2 turns in the secondary  and primary as output
my tests stopped from there abruptly and waiting for some other development  from this thread......
 :) 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on February 05, 2014, 08:24:33 PM
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 05, 2014, 10:26:46 PM
hi I think you are right, from memory when I first read about it there was mention of a magnetic field oscillator, that is/ was said to be the key to accessing the extra energy, it is the timer for the switching between the a/c d/c it is referred to but not detailed.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on February 06, 2014, 01:53:54 AM
OK here is two video's, the first one shows the setup I arranged to make a lower voltage "grounded neutral AC system" just like the grid is, as well as some of the actual arrangement. The second video shows the experiment and such. I made a slight editing error and the last minute or so of the first video might be repeated in the second, I got tired. Seems like with the active line connected to the loop the power is drawn as normal (paid for) and the shorted loop simply shows a huge current and dissipates some power as heat and not much else. And without the active line connected to the loop there is no way for output power to be drawn. There is no reason to measure the current in that loop to determine output power, it's the current through the load we need to measure to get the output power to the lamp, but my AC clamp meter is not accurate enough, (it works good on DC amps). I could use the scope and a CSR to measure the current.   Most telling is the grid power meter.

I'm open to trying some other methods of applying this setup and I only say this is what happened when I did it this way. I do admit there is other aspects to the different iterations of this device, so I keep an open mind.

Just watching some of the first video to get the gist of the setup is enough, the main experiment is the second video.

Part 1 (setup ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMDna8FbNQ

Part two (experiment ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPeMHH8KgE

Cheers

 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: slotinnn on February 08, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.




Hello e2matrix ! I think with a X ray we can makes photographs even they have filled all that box with epoxy .... It very simple... But we must have at leas one functional unit to do that
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 08, 2014, 09:40:55 PM
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..  perhaps they will go the same way as Genepax . the japanese car which runs on water and which initially went into negotiations with Toyota. The technology is out on the street undergoing further trials and development (for the last four years) with the power units in coaches and electrical generators, they are even building units for testing in railway engines and shipping. Unfortunately for us the plebs, the future still looks rather bleak and no doubt we will have to continue to pay for energy on a unit consumed basis. .. but then again .. we could just put on an extra jumper and eat cold food .. they wouldn't like that would they.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 09, 2014, 01:39:52 AM
@Slotinnn

BRILLIANT about using an X-Ray to make photos right through the red epoxy.

Now if only we lived down in Brazil so we could buy one to X-Ray.  LOL


                                                                                                                 .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nmarfara on February 09, 2014, 12:06:13 PM
Hi @ truongcongduc4

You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )

havuhung


I am Brazilian, and I'm already annoyed with dicking around about how we are bastards, not all Brazilians are the way you guys say is the same thing I talk about that all the Americans and British are killers, mass murderers, thieves, and fools, not that is not true, then I guess you guys (American and English) as well stay quietly because you guys should be ashamed of what they are, caring for the life of you, because Brazil and Brazilians do not steal other peoples oil or precious metals , much less gets life in other countries ......
take shame in the face of life and take care of you jerks her.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MileHigh on February 09, 2014, 05:11:54 PM
This one is not going to have a happy ending.  I checked the PESN article about the very high power output and it's not credible.  My instincts are telling me it's a con and one year from now in 2015 there will still be nothing.  The longer these guys can play their game the more chance they have of finding an investor.  Once they find an investor they can use that money to pretend that they have a company and live off the money as freeloaders.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 09, 2014, 05:42:09 PM
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..

Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on February 09, 2014, 06:15:13 PM
I think it's a con as well, I think they measure the current in the loop and the voltage across the lines.
And to hide that they use the epoxy filler. Simple. If it can't be replicated from the patent application then the patent application is invalid in my opinion.

In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.

Many people have patent applications that have no chance of working so we
ought to keep that in mind.

Patent applications from folks like Barbosa and Leal, Tariel, and some Russian guys are very suspicious/dubious.

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 09, 2014, 08:03:36 PM


In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.



I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably now see they are wrong and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter yet they demo a different unit that requires a large inverter that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 09, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably they now see they have nothing and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts, from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter, not the grid, yet they demo a different unit that produces much less power that requires a very large inverter, that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do... that is why the expertise of the observers that went down there must be questioned, they should have asked to have the inverter power the 6000 watt unit and verify the 22 watt input.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on February 09, 2014, 09:53:05 PM
I have checked the filing date of their patents, january 2012, and they have time to extend the PCT patent to other international countries until august 2014. So, I think that in august we will know for sure their credibility: if the patents are extended then it will mean that they have something great in their hands. If not extended then , or it is not great , or they have been paid a lot to bury the technology....Time will tell.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MURF077 on February 10, 2014, 07:24:37 AM
There is something with the grounding loop, I take it the dotted lines represent a magnetic field. what if you continued to loop that hundreds of times insulating it from the "secondary wire" and induce a magnetic field onto the "secondary wire" causing electron flow…But its not a complete circuit you will say. you re ground the  coil a distance from the original coil ground and SWER could be the supplier or not
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 10, 2014, 10:52:41 AM
Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....

here are some of the links I saved, I think it is here but won't have time to search through today, sk

energia .. links

http://diretodaaldeia.blogspot.fr/2013/10/empresarios-denunciam-perseguicao-por.html

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29

http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm

http://www.libertariannews.org/2013/11/05/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-of-powering-two-average-size-houses/

http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 13, 2014, 04:30:34 PM
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.

This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..

The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.

I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.

Is out intention to publicize abut this in such  that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.

After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...

.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on February 13, 2014, 10:49:17 PM
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.

This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..

The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.

I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.

Is out intention to publicize abut this in such  that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.

After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...

.

If they cannot disconnect from the grid, they do not have anything IMHO. They cannot demonstrate self running with an inverter as the battery dies. They show self running with an inverter in the patent, but cannot demonstrate it. It is very hard to believe they have anything. They will not sell the product, they will not show what is in the resin. Too many things do not make any sense.

The Pacific ocean is dying from Fukushima and there are many more of those reactors that will fail in earthquakes and tsunamis. Anyone at this point in time who would put personal gain over open sourcing is a greedy and selfish person, and also dumb...

PS read God's warnings at http://revelation12.ca
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 13, 2014, 11:09:53 PM
@ Skribat

Thank you for keeping us informed with your nice post.
Please continue to let us know what's going on with their invention down in Brazil.

.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on February 14, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
Quote
The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.

Here's a little advice. Just take off one part of the "90 times" amplification and feed it back to the input. Then you'll have a mere 89 times amplification... but you can disconnect from the "electrical potentials from the planet" for good, once the thing is started up.

There, I give you that much for nothing. If you can't figure out how to do it, please let me know and I'll tell you how. But that will cost you.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 14, 2014, 08:56:14 AM
just-sayin

I have to agree with you but .. like everyone else 'I want to believe' ..  if they have found a way to recover from the earth that which has been lost from the grid .. by connecting to the grid .. and in the end resulting in an increase in power available for use, then that for the consumer would be a net gain .. wherever the extra power comes from if we can use it without it costing us more money then that would be a good thing.

At the moment it seems the cold fusion plasma devices are the most successful and that maybe the first to flood the market will be that of Andrea Rossi,  it seems they have the distribution network in place, we get nothing for nothing though it seems ..  It is the intention that through a worldwide network of manufacturing and dealerships they will operate a leasing system, this of course means they will collect taxes for the governments of the countries involved. Because of the ability to effectively tax customers for use, .. on an ongoing basis, there is a greater possibility of it succeeding.   follow the money .. it's all about the money when it comes to success.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 14, 2014, 10:53:28 AM
Here's a little advice. Just take off one part of the "90 times" amplification and feed it back to the input. Then you'll have a mere 89 times amplification... but you can disconnect from the "electrical potentials from the planet" for good, once the thing is started up.

There, I give you that much for nothing. If you can't figure out how to do it, please let me know and I'll tell you how. But that will cost you.
Hi All, Hi TinselKoala
I want to know is how does what you say, if you can share.

Regards
Havuhung
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on February 14, 2014, 11:12:32 AM
I asked for news to see if everything was ok, it seems they are under some pressure but I cannot be specific.

This is a reply I have just received from a close contact of the inventors .. I don't give the name of the contact because I was asked not to. ..

The device is called Captor as it amplifies electrical potentials from the planet. One need to give some electrical power at this is amplified about 90 times.

I have been talking with them and at next May they will be here where i live to demonstrate the technology. I And our NGO will buy one to be donated to a philanthropic institution.

Is out intention to publicize abut this in such  that the inventors can not anymore be treated and the technology can not be suppressed.

After this point a new vision about energy will emerge here in Brazil and we hope that this will spread...

.
Wouldn't it be possible for you to buy a epoxied device, and resell -> reship it ?
I would gladly pay up to 500 euro more on that.

Also doing that to some key people around the world should resolve the 'pressure' problem on that right ?
If you have interest in this, feel free to respond/pm me.

Sincerely.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on February 14, 2014, 11:14:28 AM
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ?   >:(  this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 14, 2014, 11:43:32 AM
Hi forest,
Yes.
Thank you
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 14, 2014, 12:07:48 PM

Fact does not need years of bullshit! And its all bullshit this device!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 14, 2014, 12:19:04 PM
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ?   >:(  this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy

but most of us did't see what is waterfall nor how it's look like,  can you show us?
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: RMatt on February 14, 2014, 12:57:45 PM
electrons are like water, you do not have energy in water, you need energy to pump water but if you had energy from outside which pump water on the hill then you get free energy by falling water , got it ?   >:(  this captor is a misleading to hide the principle behind capturing electrons, exactly like in Kapanadze devices there is no energy in dormant electrons, they are just a workhorse doing work by external energy

I believe there is energy in water. You seperate the hydrogen and oxygen, and use the hydrogen for things like hydrogen fueled vehicles, and other stuff ;D
Have fun all.
Bob
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 14, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
@ Skribat,

Can you find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems like just the EMPTY BOX
 would weigh more than that.

Looking at the Spec Sheet below, it says the 12 KW unit weighs 1.5 KG.  Something seems wrong about that weight.


http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
                                                                                                                      .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 14, 2014, 03:07:33 PM
fat bird .. hi ..
everything I have read says 1.5kg, it does seem light but 6kw output is not really a lot, it might be right.  can I direct you here  http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blogs/brazilian-firm-goes-to-market-with-free-energy-generator-capable-    for further information, you might find this interesting .. sk
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 14, 2014, 03:25:49 PM

@ Skribat,

Thank you for that article site.  But still see if you can find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems like just the
EMPTY BOX would weigh more than that (about 3.5 Pounds).  Notice their Patent Photo below shows an Iron Core, which IMPLIES SIGNIFICANT WEIGHT
for a 12,000 Watts Output.

The reason that's important is because if that 1.5 KG weight is correct, it STRONGLY IMPLIES that unit has an AIR CORE rather than an Iron Core.



http://energiauniversal.eco.br/

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 14, 2014, 03:29:54 PM

Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 14, 2014, 03:38:23 PM
hi..  fatbird 
maybe 1.5 kg is weight without box,

hi.. dasenergy
great, if you will go there ,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29

"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers located in the city of Imperatriz - MA, Brazil "
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 14, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
@ Skribat,

Thank you for that article site.  But still see if you can find out if the WEIGHT of 1.5 KG (for the 12 KW Unit) is wrong, because it seems
like just the EMPTY BOX would weigh more than that (about 3.5 Pounds).  Notice their Patent Photo below shows an Iron Core.

The reason that's important is because if that 1.5 KG weight is correct, it STRONGLY IMPLIES that unit has an AIR CORE rather than an Iron Core.

Thank you.


The 12 Kw device weitht 45 KG
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on February 14, 2014, 04:29:45 PM
Hello all,
I try to find on the internet and there is a video that look like Barbosa and Lead device. I believe that if he connect his device with the ground, it can supply more free energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKykwLLHPc

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on February 15, 2014, 12:58:16 AM
Hello all,
I try to find on the internet and there is a video that look like Barbosa and Lead device. I believe that if he connect his device with the ground, it can supply more free energy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRKykwLLHPc

Enjoy.
When watching it, I saw this video aswell (in recommended thing or something.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvspL4kMY54

Applying the same principles we should be able to create a over unity right ?
Or atleast a statiska generator ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 06:21:28 AM
Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?

DaS Energy.

Use     http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/       
I can find the map easily.   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 15, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
For those who missed it first time round here is my first post again ..  going to the peswiki link will give you the revised test results showing 6.4 times over unity .. there is also a map showing the location of the inventors in Brazil .. skribat


FOR THOSE WHO MISSED IT.. try this link for some later information, look two thirds down the page,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29
read especially the part about negotiations with the Brazillian electricity company, this seems to be the holdup, maybe they are trying to stop them.
check the new readings and save the PDF page ..


[ EXTRACT]
On January 9, 2014, we were informed that the new Captor test results from December 12 were flawed, as one of the Amp meters they used was faulty, giving false readings for the battery's DC current. The above table reflects the "corrected" readings.

Previously, we reported: On December 12, 2013, Evolucoes Energia showed results from hooking their "free-space electron captor" to a battery, drawing 252 Watts, while powering a load of 1610 Watts -- which is 6.4 times overunity, showing the environmental free energy harvesting effect without being hooked to the grid.

- - - -

In November, 2013, Mr. Nilson said that he had an electrical engineer check the workings of his equipment, but it was not an independent examination. Additional validations are being scheduled.

here is a complete description and discussion of their invention .. very interesting ..
http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm

 
« Last Edit: February 03, 2014, 01:24:20 PM by skribat »
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 15, 2014, 10:09:07 AM
DaS Energy.

Use     http://maps.nationalgeographic.com/       
I can find the map easily.


Don't lie, no you haven't, nice try but!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 10:43:14 AM

Don't lie, no you haven't, nice try but!

hey...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 15, 2014, 10:47:33 AM

"Cant find the town of Empress-MA in any search engine. Can you please give country and location of town?"
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 15, 2014, 11:13:07 AM
Das Energy .. you are searching with the translation  .. you must search Imperatz .. read the post again and look at the name on the map sk
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 11:34:24 AM
Das Energy .. you are searching with the translation  .. you must search Imperatz .. read the post again and look at the name on the map sk

As what i have predicted  it's was "HUMAN ERRORS".  :o

das energy you are welcome to ask more help.....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 15, 2014, 11:40:38 AM

Quoting the English translation of FatBird in the picture accompanying the post.

"At this moment the equipment being sold only  to customers in the town of Empress-MA."

Having sold one if any the inventor could get them to vouch for the honesty that one has been sold and it does as claimed!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 15, 2014, 11:45:36 AM
hi..  fatbird 
maybe 1.5 kg is weight without box,

hi.. dasenergy
great, if you will go there ,
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29

"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers located in the city of Imperatriz - MA, Brazil "

dasenergy,

>>>                 Imperatriz - MA, Brazil                   <<<               
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 15, 2014, 01:12:32 PM
Read the post again and had it translated.

Electron Transducer generator of the Earth



"Product: Sold

Installed equipment: industrial application
Power: 39.6 kW 220V
Total generation capacity/month:

28,728 kWh
Total electric energy consumption/month:

316.8 kWh
Operating Regime: Uninterrupted
Temperature: 60° C
Noise level: 0 dB
Degree of protection: IP66
Insulation: 120° C "


Supposedly they are selling them!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on February 15, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Then why can't we talk to a customer? Why can't you or I buy one? Why can't Sterling Allan run his home and pay his bills?

I know why.... and so do you.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 15, 2014, 01:55:21 PM
Genepax .. Stan Myers water car, Geet devices and Cold fusion are now all proven .. it's good to be sceptical but in order to succeed you must believe.  ' removing the resistance '  is also a proven formula for success .. once people think that something previously impossible has been done they will find a way to replicate it.   ..  I took these posts from another forum ..  also I have emailed another contact of theirs to see if there is more news.

 Juca Mario Marq
• 3 months ago

The first time that I talked with Nilson he said that everything was OK
and he had no problem with CEMAR (Maranhão state electric supply). At this time
I had some concern. One week after that he was arrested. The reason for that
was 2 kilowatt-hour meters they found in their lab. Those meters were borrowed
for test and they had the paperwork to prove that. Nilson is OK now, but he is very upset with “Brazil”.
He is a good and simple guy…


Stuart Campbell Mod Asterix
• 3 months ago

I think that question is on everyone's mind somehow Asterix. Some would be more interested in the beer than a device !

I am not saying it will work, but then again I am not saying it won't work.
The one thing that does give me some hope that it does work, is that I cannot see the local power company rushing in to remove the units if they weren't working.
Also why would they get a court order to ban the sale of the units under the basis of not being certified, if they weren't in fact working.
Something had to be there for them to act the way they did
.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 15, 2014, 02:49:38 PM

"Also why would they get a court order to ban the sale of the units under the basis of not being certified, if they weren't in fact working."

cer·ti·fy  (sûr′tə-fī′)
v. cer·ti·fied, cer·ti·fy·ing, cer·ti·fies

a.  To confirm formally as true, accurate, or genuine.
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 15, 2014, 04:37:08 PM
This is my latest news which I will share with you, I cannot give the source of this and cannot prove its validity but my connection has no reason not to tell the truth.

Last news from the guys from Maranhão, is that they are

facing lawsuit against the power company.


Judge banned the sales and marketing of the equipment and those were sold, were confiscated back by the police.

I know that researchers are trying a way to not need the imput of the network, which is what stimulates the equipment.

I'll call back the guys (inventors) to see if I can get a scheme, after all the guys already have the patent. What more they can possible want?

There is a fackt that can facilitate us the access to the device, but I can not comment yet.

We are trying to get more details, please write to me soon again, for news.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 16, 2014, 12:51:22 AM
Thank you Skribat for the news update.

Please Post more updates as you find them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4
                                                                                       .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on February 16, 2014, 06:51:36 AM
This is my latest news which I will share with you, I cannot give the source of this and cannot prove its validity but my connection has no reason not to tell the truth.

Last news from the guys from Maranhão, is that they are

facing lawsuit against the power company.


Judge banned the sales and marketing of the equipment and those were sold, were confiscated back by the police.

I know that researchers are trying a way to not need the imput of the network, which is what stimulates the equipment.

I'll call back the guys (inventors) to see if I can get a scheme, after all the guys already have the patent. What more they can possible want?

There is a fackt that can facilitate us the access to the device, but I can not comment yet.

We are trying to get more details, please write to me soon again, for news.

They have a patent application which anyone can file even if the device works or not, what they really need is an actual granted Patent, not just an application, there is a huge difference.

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 07:05:24 AM
As what i have predicted  it's was "HUMAN ERRORS".  :o

das energy you are welcome to ask more help.....
[/quote

Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change!]
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on February 16, 2014, 09:11:30 AM

Nice of you to show your cunning repeatedly. Town names don't change with translation, your shit may be called poo and your urine lemonade but town names don't change.


I didt say, "Town names don't change with translation"
if you still can not find the map, it's yours, anybody else can find that.
you should read all post including the link given to you.

good bye
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 09:45:52 AM
I didt say, "Town names don't change with translation"
if you still can not find the map, it's yours, anybody else can find that.
you should read all post including the link given to you.

good bye

Town names don't change with translation!

"At this moment the equipment being sold only to customers in the town of Empress-MA."

The map you provide shows Imperatriz - MA, Brazil, no mention of Empress-MA!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 16, 2014, 09:53:29 AM
CAN'T FIND ON THE MAP?  click this link for map, look down the page,

 http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29

see also for new test results showing  6.4 times overunity .. you can download PDF file of test, look for the link PDF

or try viamichelin.com  and search for   IMPERATRIZ  Maranhao, you should find it ok
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 10:08:46 AM

Its Empress-MA! that I look for. That's where the inventors claim to be selling it!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: magpwr on February 16, 2014, 10:32:05 AM
hi everyone,

Have anyone seen Barbosa Leal replication videos.I'm new to this topic.I have just watch the video which shows the connection details to a certain extend.Do watch the drill test video.I think this video contain the most details.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRBySqA7Aw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHRBySqA7Aw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSTteYaztGk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHIvvfxb8w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oHIvvfxb8w)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIv4tA3eLg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwIv4tA3eLg)

I hope someone can verify this videos.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 16, 2014, 10:43:59 AM
hi Das energy .. You won't find Empress, I think it is a translation, I have checked the address and the map the good place is Imperatriz ..  some times people use the Town name, the Region or even the district, for the postal address try the inventors website which I seem to remember was changed but not updated (if that makes sense) I mean they built a new website and then it seems not to be maintained with new information, but you can give it a try,  sk

maybe there is a misunderstanding somewhere, empresa (empress)? means company if translated from Portugese.   you can send me a private message if it is important ..  I have a recent email from them which says that they are not selling at the moment but they are responding to applications for licencing to manufacture, (written in Portugese).
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 10:48:20 AM

Those they already have sold to, must be seeking a refund! They have excuse after excuse after excuse. Really its quite tedious leaving no doubt they are liars!.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 16, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
HI guys .. this is worth watching it is not ordinary free energy videos, I think this is not a magic trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U  TIGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4  PT2

I'm not ready to write-off Barbosa and Leal, they seem like good guys, I have two contacts in Brazil who tell me the devices which have been confiscated by police were working units and there is nothing written on blogs etc about them not being real, you can see in the video which I posted links to several times of the working unit in the fabrication workshop. Time will tell if it is true or not. At this time I think the authorities would like us all to believe that it is a fraud then we would forget all about it ... bad news travels fast.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 16, 2014, 01:26:15 PM
Hi DaS Energy,
Well, I guess they do not have these devices actually work.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 16, 2014, 01:32:41 PM
HI guys .. this is worth watching it is not ordinary free energy videos, I think this is not a magic trick.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVvZzeDe5U)  TIGER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTWKHoncK4)  PT2
Hi skribat,

 This is just a magic show, these as Realstrannik.ru forum topics have been discussed respectively...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 16, 2014, 01:44:51 PM
Hello havuhung,

I find myself having that conclusion, which in some ways irks me as they built two companies around my knowledge, and the energy developments these companies have suffered a similar amount of query and mockery.

Amplification of energy is quite easy, put two wires into a tree and tap its amperage into a capacitor and you have enough power to run a house, however the duration is dependant on how long the amperage has been storing.

The inventors lay claim its straight wattage in and out yet their secrecy defies that. As for Patents there is no such thing as a world Patent, they are taken country by country, and many wont Patent unless your a citizen. The next problem is if you don't have the money to enforce your Patent its money pissed up the wall.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 16, 2014, 02:11:01 PM
Hi DaS Energy,
Principles that their patent refers to (extract energy from the ground), not logical to have a device running properly as what they are yet, they can try to hide a different principle if the device they are real! . . :D

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 18, 2014, 01:23:54 PM
Here is some wording from their PATENT that sounds like their CAPTOR unit Charges a BANK of BATTERIES.
It looks like the FINAL OUTPUT comes from an INVERTER UNIT which gets powered from the Bank of Batteries.
My point is that it APPEARS the advertised 12 KW output comes from the INVERTER and NOT directly from the Captor.
Is it possible that the Captor charges the batteries ALL NIGHT so the inverter can power the house during the day? ??? ??

Why is this important?  Because maybe that explains why their Spec Sheet rates the 12,000 WATTS unit at 1.5 KG (less than 4 pounds).
Just the EMPTY METAL BOX must weigh at least 3 or 4 pounds!  So What's Going On Here??

Here are some words Directly From The Patent (which can be Downloaded below):

ABSTRACT:
The present invention relates to electric energy generation equipment comprising a basic circuit formed by a rectifier (10),
for example, an AC/DC converter connected in series to an inverter (12), for example, a DC/AC converter, and a bank of batteries (13)
connected in series between the rectifier (10) and the inverter (12). An electron-capturing element (14), which can be either a
free space electron-capturing element or, alternatively, an earth electron-capturing element, is connected in series to the basic circuit
formed by the rectifier (10), the inverter (12) and the battery assembly (13). The bank of batteries (13) powers the basic circuit because
it is connected to the system. Consequently, the inverter (12) converts direct current into alternating current and supplies this current
to the electron-capturing element (14). After receiving the electric current from the inverter (12), the electron-capturing element (14) starts
capturing electrons from the alternating current and powering the rectifier (10), which converts the alternating current into a direct current
in order to recharge the bank of batteries (13) and power the inverter (12) which powers the electron-capturing element, closing the feedback loop,
and also providing electric energy for consumption by external loads.

Click on this Link to see the Full Spec Sheet:   http://energiauniversal.eco.br/ (http://energiauniversal.eco.br/)

Comments Welcome.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on February 18, 2014, 07:26:38 PM
FatBird


Don't you see ?? It's Tito schematic.  ;) 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 19, 2014, 01:16:59 PM
                                                                                                                                                                              .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 19, 2014, 01:48:38 PM
So now we have Russian scientists saying they have used Tesla to access free energy, (cold electricity) an overunity ratio of greater than 10:1 ,, 160w input 1.6 to 2 kw output .  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM

. it looks to me very similar in principle to  Energia Universal (Barbosa and Lea) and Tariel Kapanadze. .. so why shouldn't we assume that they work also. I think we  .. the people are very close to success, I'm not surprised the the UK government are trying to push people into 'Public Ownership') schemes of windpower etc .. they are trying to lock the people in before the people wise up to the fact that free energy is knocking on the door ..   we will succeed.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 19, 2014, 04:31:33 PM
So now we have Russian scientists saying they have used Tesla to access free energy, (cold electricity) an overunity ratio of greater than 10:1 ,, 160w input 1.6 to 2 kw output .  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJimMDrmwrM)

. it looks to me very similar in principle to  Energia Universal (Barbosa and Lea) and Tariel Kapanadze. .. so why shouldn't we assume that they work also. I think we  .. the people are very close to success, I'm not surprised the the UK government are trying to push people into 'Public Ownership') schemes of windpower etc .. they are trying to lock the people in before the people wise up to the fact that free energy is knocking on the door ..   we will succeed.
Hi skribat,
It is a pity that when the device is always FE inventors concealed the true principles of its work, to come a time later it disappeared along with the inventor, but for unknown reasons!. . :(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 19, 2014, 06:36:28 PM
Hi skribat,
It is a pity that when the device is always FE inventors concealed the true principles of its work, to come a time later it disappeared along with the inventor, but for unknown reasons!. . :(

hi .. In countries all around the world people are coming up with new ideas and modifications of old energy systems,  ... Geet .. works,   Myers plasma spark .. works,  Genepax hydrogen splitter/ electric ..works,  Hydrogen gas generators (on demand)  works,  Papp engine, plasma .. works,  Rossi Plasma generator works ..  and there are many others, hybrid systems already in operation. Eventually THEY .. won't be ably to stop it and that really frightens them.

Remember the Government reads your emails ..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 21, 2014, 02:06:53 PM
I am just wondering is there anyone else other than myself who still prefers the CRT to the LED / plasma / LCD
I still use CRT for my computers also I find them more comfortable and natural, much easier on the eyes.  sk

I have sent another message for news of Barbosa and Lea . Energia universal and will post it when I have it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: kpannic on February 22, 2014, 12:27:55 AM
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)

and diagrams from the patent.

1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.

2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???

3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.

4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram

P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on February 22, 2014, 02:56:45 AM
I am just wondering is there anyone else other than myself who still prefers the CRT to the LED / plasma / LCD
I still use CRT for my computers also I find them more comfortable and natural, much easier on the eyes.  sk

I have sent another message for news of Barbosa and Lea . Energia universal and will post it when I have it.
They never respond to my emails or FB message(s).  ???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 22, 2014, 06:52:11 PM
hi mx1000 .. I don't know them but I had emails from them in december .. I have two contacts in Brazil who can contact them by telephone, I email for news then must wait until I receive a reply, there is still the accusation of possessing the electric meters and they are defending this case in the court, at the moment I don't have any more news but I am waiting for a reply to my last email.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 23, 2014, 01:40:53 AM
@ Skribat


THANK YOU for keeping us up to date with the Brazil news.


                                                                                                 .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 23, 2014, 11:02:56 AM
a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner .. 
I think they have been working on this for too long for there to be nothing ..  and they had working units installed in locations, why would the police be sent to confiscate them if they didn't work?  and why aren't the people who had them shouting fraud .. because they are not. I think they have something the claimed overunity (6.4) is within the range of other claimed devices of the same type, anything up to 10 times.
Remember  Paul Pantone the Geet inventor who was sent to jail for three and a half years when the authority said he was working a scam? .. after other people began replicating the Geet device they had to release eighteen months into his sentence. .. .. and what about Cold fusion, now a reality after the original scientist inventors were ridiculed for forty years ..

Believe, just a little .. it is only natural that after working many years and at considerable cost inventors want to try to protect the investment they have put in .. eventually like the Geet and others the design principles may become open source.
.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 23, 2014, 12:14:27 PM
a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner .. 
I think they have been working on this for too long for there to be nothing ..  and they had working units installed in locations, why would the police be sent to confiscate them if they didn't work?  and why aren't the people who had them shouting fraud .. because they are not. I think they have something the claimed overunity (6.4) is within the range of other claimed devices of the same type, anything up to 10 times.
Remember  Paul Pantone the Geet inventor who was sent to jail for three and a half years when the authority said he was working a scam? .. after other people began replicating the Geet device they had to release eighteen months into his sentence. .. .. and what about Cold fusion, now a reality after the original scientist inventors were ridiculed for forty years ..

Believe, just a little .. it is only natural that after working many years and at considerable cost inventors want to try to protect the investment they have put in .. eventually like the Geet and others the design principles may become open source.
.



" a true sceptic is one who qeustions the questionner .. "


Nailed it !


I hope the boys from Brazil soon realize that their best move right now would be to open source their work, and derail the corrupt global elite's plans for human domination.

They would be heros around the world, and be well taken care of wherever they traveled on the planet.

Regards...

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on February 23, 2014, 01:36:07 PM
@ Cap-Z-Ro


Excellent point about how they should just Open Source everything.


                                                                                                                      .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 23, 2014, 01:43:54 PM
And what better way to respond to the repression they are experiencing FB.

If but a small fraction of people receiving 'freedom' energy from their technology were to donater a dollar to them, they would be rich beyond their wildest dreams...without havin g to lift another finger on production and marketing.

Sure hope they see this and see the wisdom in taking this action.

Regards...


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on February 24, 2014, 07:36:44 AM
Hi All,

Well, I always agree with the point about the OU community will join hands to buy Open Source Products, inventor FE devices actually have it for sale. With a large community development in many countries, not a force of any government can suppress this energy source. . .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 24, 2014, 11:38:39 AM
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.

if you listen to the video ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=SvcrqODpDY4#t=40

it works like this .. after an initial power up from an external source a magnetic sensor begins to rotate creating what is known as over-unity power ..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on February 25, 2014, 11:34:58 PM
This guy call Djeson from brasil did advance a lot in barbobasa leal replica this is the link   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mAWlAODvxc&list=UUzmFHz5VoNAdTBcNHlYrZVg&feature=share enjoy.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on February 27, 2014, 01:30:58 PM
Look this pictures!

Is this energy from ground or energy to ground without power meter? ???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: DaS Energy on February 27, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
"Look at the pictures"

Five wires to the device top picture! Three wires to the device bottom picture!

Correction by page expansion! Actually five wires present both picture!!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on February 27, 2014, 02:22:28 PM
"Look at the pictures"

Five wires to the device top picture! Three wires to the device bottom picture!

Correction by page expansion! Actually five wires present both picture!!

I see that you do not understand what I'm saying!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: dllabarre on February 27, 2014, 08:07:35 PM
Look this pictures!

Is this energy from ground or energy to ground without power meter? ???

I know that with clamp meters the direction the wire goes through the clamps determines which direction you're measuring the current.
And the difference between the pictures is that all the wires do not go through the clamps in the same direction.
So he is measuring one of the wires with the current going in the opposite direction.
I don't use clamps meters so I can't tell you from the picture which way the current is flowing.

How about you just tell us in detail what you are seeing?   ;D

DonL
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 27, 2014, 10:05:33 PM
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)

and diagrams from the patent.

1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.

2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???

3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.

4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram

P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.


I agree with you...There is a big chance to be a SCAM
Since I watched theirs videos, I raised my hopes to have something simple and cheap to help us, but it looks like that is one more BS. I still need to do some more tests and I’m planning to do that until the end of next month using a good ground system as the say that we need to have. As far I know, there is a test scheduled to be done until the middle of next month in Campinas (UNICAMP) to attest or not this “new effect” that is not more than the grounding cable looped around the secondary coil as they show in patent.

 
Ari
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered g enerator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on February 27, 2014, 11:12:32 PM
I know that with clamp meters the direction the wire goes through the clamps determines which direction you're measuring the current.
And the difference between the pictures is that all the wires do not go through the clamps in the same direction.
So he is measuring one of the wires with the current going in the opposite direction.
I don't use clamps meters so I can't tell you from the picture which way the current is flowing.

How about you just tell us in detail what you are seeing?   ;D

DonL

OK
In the first picture we see 22Amps in the lamp and 0Amps in blue wire (neutral from grid or inverter)
In the second picture we see 21,5 Amps to or from ground and 21,8Amps in black wire (hot wire from grid or inverter)

Electric circuit is close from hot wire, lamp, and ground, not from hot wire, lamp, and neutral wire.

This is secret of free energy or is cheating Electric company and close circuit before power meter? ??? ?

Shokac
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 28, 2014, 05:25:58 PM
Preparing the test........


Ari
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 28, 2014, 08:47:22 PM
Preparing the test........


Ari



Preparing to take apart

"A friend contribution"



Ari



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: dllabarre on February 28, 2014, 09:01:18 PM



Is that red/brown stuff what's inside the whole box?
That's one way to hide your secrets.  >:(
DonL



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on February 28, 2014, 09:29:54 PM
http://amasci.com/graphics/tes_radpat3.gif   ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 28, 2014, 09:37:56 PM


Is that red/brown stuff what's inside the whole box?
That's one way to hide your secrets.  >:(
DonL


They used epoxy and gravel to make it cheap..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on February 28, 2014, 09:43:30 PM
Mr forest what do you mean whit the link you post?.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on February 28, 2014, 09:47:10 PM
possible principle  ::)  just think widely
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on February 28, 2014, 09:54:43 PM
Mr forest do you think Barbosa leal invention is only a way to cheat the electrical meter or is a way to generate electricity from graund?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on February 28, 2014, 10:03:46 PM
Input and output


Ari
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: dllabarre on February 28, 2014, 10:30:31 PM
Mr forest do you think Barbosa leal invention is only a way to cheat the electrical meter or is a way to generate electricity from graund?


Please! - Let's let ariovaldo finish his analysis of the device before we start jumping to conclusions that it's a fake.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on March 01, 2014, 10:47:49 AM
it's not fake  :)  IMHO
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 01, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
Mr ariovaldo do you have any test and information about this invention? I hope is very real, and i have friends from brasil maybe they can live a easier life, and i hope barboza and leal make it public because thé big corporation they never will let go foward . Thank.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 01, 2014, 04:16:52 PM
My initial  tests  showed low input in the primary   high current on the loop secondary
If igor  moroz  latest video  can be merged on the loop  to produce power
Then r
The earth wire should boost it  .?
A simple test i made long time ago
Single wire by milovitz forget his name
Wra p a heating element on an open live wire without contact  then  use this heating wire to connect with fluoro  tube  the other end  to a radio   antenna
Another way is heating element on neon lamp  plus neutral
Now with barbosa 
Wrap a wire in the primary without contact and connect to the loop without contactplusus earth on end of loop
Increase in induction
NOW DO TRY THIS WITH SAFETY FIRST   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 01, 2014, 05:30:32 PM
Mr ariovaldo do you have any test and information about this invention? I hope is very real, and i have friends from brasil maybe they can live a easier life, and i hope barboza and leal make it public because thé big corporation they never will let go foward . Thank.


I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside.
The tests that I conducted didn't  show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake, but since I didn't have a good grounding system, that can be the failure cause once in their statements they say "the effects" just will appear in the ground cable looped around the secondary if the ground in good.
This is what I can say for now

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 02, 2014, 12:58:38 AM
@ ariovaldo

Thank you for your nice post.  Please tell us more when you learn more.

Thank you
                                                            .


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 03, 2014, 06:33:17 PM
Mr ariovaldo the good graund can be one pole of copper and other from magnesium. What do you think?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 03, 2014, 07:06:20 PM
Mr ariovaldo the good graund can be one pole of copper and other from magnesium. What do you think?


They use just one grounding cable.
Take a look in the picture: The grounding cable is the green ticker one.


Cheers.
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 03, 2014, 09:21:25 PM

@ Ariovaldo   (or anybody else that might know)

Below is some text from their Patent, converted to English.  Some of the HIGHLIGHTED words like LOOP, CLOSED CIRCUIT,
are REALLY STRANGE.  Is he saying that one of the Coils is a CONTINUOUS SHORT CIRCUIT? ???  Any comments?

Another advantage of the proposed electron-trap of the present invention is that the electron-trap can transport electrons from one
point "A" to a point "B", without a voltage drop in the link - if it is polarized - regardless of the distance between the points, depending
on the strength and quantity of the electromagnetic field-generating devices. It is also possible to transport the electrons when the link
devices generating the electromagnetic field are not polarized. In this way, the electric current is conveyed without voltage but only by the
magnetic field formed between the coils. This methodology can be used in various fields.

There is the appearance of an electric current, which keeps circling in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to
the closed circuit, and even without a load being connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or
thermal energy, providing access to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.

The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4
are connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 03, 2014, 09:52:57 PM
@ Ariovaldo   (or anybody else that might know)

Below is some text from their Patent, converted to English.  Some of the HIGHLIGHTED words like LOOP, CLOSED CIRCUIT,
are REALLY STRANGE.  Is he saying that one of the Coils is a CONTINUOUS SHORT CIRCUIT? ???  Any comments?

Another advantage of the proposed electron-trap of the present invention is that the electron-trap can transport electrons from one
point "A" to a point "B", without a voltage drop in the link - if it is polarized - regardless of the distance between the points, depending
on the strength and quantity of the electromagnetic field-generating devices. It is also possible to transport the electrons when the link
devices generating the electromagnetic field are not polarized. In this way, the electric current is conveyed without voltage but only by the
magnetic field formed between the coils. This methodology can be used in various fields.

There is the appearance of an electric current, which keeps circling in a closed circuit, even without any voltage being applied to
the closed circuit, and even without a load being connected to it. The present electromagnetic equipment generates electricity or
thermal energy, providing access to this new source of energy through the use of an electromagnetic field.

The earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4
are connected together to form the loop, and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced).
The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the
electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.


Yes, the secondary has the leads in short circuit. The secondary pass through the toroid just once, but has 4 tuns.
Get 10 feet of thicker and flexible cable, type those one used in welding machine and make 4 turns. Before to close it a short circuit, pass thought once the toroid coil with 600 to 1000 turns ( it depends the core type and size) with 0.6 henries of inductance ..


This is what I can say for now
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 03, 2014, 10:59:20 PM
So he used a toroid in the secondary loop ( high current with 4 turns)  and 600 to 1000 T  to produce load .  Battery cables or welding cables used fine strand to take care of heat...
 
like igor moroz IT induction alternatives  8)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 03, 2014, 11:31:47 PM
@ Totoalas,

Can you please make a little drawing or schematic and post it?

Thank you.


                                                                                     .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 03, 2014, 11:46:27 PM
So he used a toroid in the secondary loop ( high current with 4 turns)  and 600 to 1000 T  to produce load .  Battery cables or welding cables used fine strand to take care of heat...
 
like igor moroz IT induction alternatives  8)


The toroid is the primary...that is feed by the F and the N from the grid...
So you we have a primary with a high amps secondary.....



Best Regards
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 12:23:33 AM
@ Totoalas,

Can you please make a little drawing or schematic and post it?

Thank you.


                                                                                     .
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 04:26:59 AM
Tol. Toto lahat ng device na free energy is gumagamit ng Two Ground/Earth. I can assure you that because my prototype here is running very well with burning light on the bulb. For the mean time I am already working to make a Kapanadze/Don Smith Coil design.

My prototype here if you disconnect the HV ground, the bulb wont even light very bright but will glow a
little that is the common happening on replication of Kapanadze and Don smith there is no real power
deliverd to the Load. If the Load Transformer Ground is disconnected you will see the bulb will not even glow a little. But if everything is properly connected to the Ground the bulb will glow very bright
and very hot .

Dont be fooled by those presented which shows only 1 Wire to ground. They actually split it inside the device like Tariel Kapanadze recently did to his devices. 8) 8)

I hope that my little contribution helps some of you.

What was hidden is already seen by our eyes. It is so simple that every one will laugh.  ;D ;D


http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689 (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg372689/#msg372689)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 05:00:45 AM
There will not be approved I can assure you that because this device is running very well on the Concept of Nikola Tesla. The description on their patent does match on the picture they showed. Haahahaha. I think I will just laugh. The patent description of this Two Guys just look it with NIKOLA TESLA that is the real secret here. The description which they call Electron Captor which actually means CHARGE FUNNEL of Nikola Tesla. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA   ;D ;D


I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.
I'm from Brazil and tested the equipment by myself and I know exactly what the equipment has inside.
The tests that I conducted didn't  show good results, and I'm 95% sure this equipment is fake, but since I didn't have a good grounding system, that can be the failure cause once in their statements they say "the effects" just will appear in the ground cable looped around the secondary if the ground in good.
This is what I can say for now
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 06:16:04 AM
Tol. Toto lahat ng device na free energy is gumagamit ng Two Ground/Earth. I can assure you that because my prototype here is running very well with burning light on the bulb. For the mean time I am already working to make a Kapanadze/Don Smith Coil design.

My prototype here if you disconnect the HV ground, the bulb wont even light very bright but will glow a
little that is the common happening on replication of Kapanadze and Don smith there is no real power
deliverd to the Load. If the Load Transformer Ground is disconnected you will see the bulb will not even glow a little. But if everything is properly connected to the Ground the bulb will glow very bright
and very hot .

Dont be fooled by those presented which shows only 1 Wire to ground. They actually split it inside the device like Tariel Kapanadze recently did to his devices. 8) 8)

I hope that my little contribution helps some of you.

What was hidden is already seen by our eyes. It is so simple that every one will laugh.  ;D ;D
Ive been there also   Bro
Exploding a 5 watt bulb just as Tito said means Im in the right direction
Work was distracted when I hit an Hv on the arm and cause me to dismantle it
Not in a hurry im doing well with my solar lighting small power all with low amps consumption   lol
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: blaze_power on March 04, 2014, 09:10:49 AM
Guys this is not fiction don't laugh at these guys they have the PRINCIPLE but screwed up the design my company Blaze Power Corporation is in a legal battle with the DOJ Department Of Justice to the tune of EUR 500 Billion for lost revenue (Read the news section on our site and guys spread the word we are under heavy attack). We have been IT attacked and intimidated by EVERY badge in the book. We have a Mark 1 which works similar to what these guys are trying to do and a Mark 2 which is still in development our site has been taken down REPEATEDLY http://www.blaze-power.eu and today again it is down a talk with the host they say DDOS attack for 2 weeks? Yeah right I think they have a gun to their head. Now we have switched to a secondary "Backup" domain http://www.blaze-power.org check it out guys and keep an open mind PATENTS DO NOT WORK they will rig everything and try to make you look stupid. Anyone that wants more info or a demo of how this works email contact@blaze-power.eu and cc contact@blaze-power.org guys do you know what the energy market is worth? Do you know who pays for a lot of these presidents and politicians campaigns EXACTLY BIG ENERGY so we are their BIGGEST enemies this is not a joke guys Google Economic Hitman and see just to what lengths they will go to make sure free energy NEVER happens
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 01:58:37 PM
Just to feed the imagination....






Best Regards


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 04, 2014, 02:24:32 PM
@ stupify12   or   Ariovaldo,

Both of you seem to know a lot about the Captor.  Looking at the patent diagram below, is this how they work?

1.  The Captor outputs a LOW voltage and needs to charge a battery.
2.  An invertor boosts the 12V battery DC voltage up to 230 Volts AC.

Does this sound right to you?
I am trying to figure out if the Captor can OUTPUT 230 V AC, ALL BY ITSELF, or just a LOW VOLTAGE and thus needs batteries.

Thanks.
                                                                               .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 04, 2014, 02:49:16 PM
Mr ariovaldo can you show more picture? I'm afraid you despaired from site and keep the information hidden. Thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on March 04, 2014, 02:50:41 PM
Just to feed the imagination....






Best Regards


Ariovaldo

Arivaldo!

Good picture!
Can you open all secret?

Shokac
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 03:27:38 PM
Arivaldo!

Good picture!
Can you open all secret?

Shokac


As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect". 


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 06:33:39 PM

As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
if you had that picture  then no more questions on the validity....  well just wait to hear from you again   thanks for sharing 8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 07:08:26 PM
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.

2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of  DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.

@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails  because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.

Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL  ;D ;D ;D

@ stupify12   or   Ariovaldo,

Both of you seem to know a lot about the Captor.  Looking at the patent diagram below, is this how they work?

1.  The Captor outputs a LOW voltage and needs to charge a battery.
2.  An invertor boosts the 12V battery DC voltage up to 230 Volts AC.

Does this sound right to you?
I am trying to figure out if the Captor can OUTPUT 230 V AC, ALL BY ITSELF, or just a LOW VOLTAGE and thus needs batteries.

Thanks.
                                                                               .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 07:20:59 PM
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.

2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of  DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.

@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails  because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.

Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL  ;D ;D ;D


Ok, you are right, I don't understand...
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 04, 2014, 08:06:21 PM
Mr stupify12, What do you think about having a toroid whit 600 a 1000 turns in primary( 0.6h is most important) plus big wire  for turns in secondary connected to?( other toroid, plus transformer for load all close loop whit big wire,  plus earth wire connected to load transformer?.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on March 04, 2014, 08:47:08 PM
There are Two Transformer. First Transformer Step UP the Low Voltage we input into HV. The HV potential then is feed to a Step Down Transformer, The Secondary output now is LOw Voltage. The Close Loop is Between the Secondary HV of the First Transformer and HV PRIMARY OF the SEcond Transformer Through Conduction of TWO Ground/Earth Points. 

With the Two Ground/Earth Points the Oscillation we input on the First Transformer is being Tranmitted to the Second Transformer which at the same time the Electron they say is being suck up /Charge Pump/ Charge Funnel. The real reason why so many replicator failed to build a
This Transformer is the output seem to be no power delivered because all people think that this guys who posted circuit or diagram really tells them the exact and correct diagram.

For example the Picture which Barbosa and Leal showed on their Patent is not actually the working circuit compared to the Description I have given you on this Post.

We all know that there is a mass and very great energy stored on the Ground/Earth we only need to input a small amount of energy to disturb this Energy.

The Two Transformer is resemble like a AutoTransformer with STEP DOWN and STEP UP COmbination. More like what we have on our Electrical Distribution Line.




Mr stupify12, What do you think about having a toroid whit 600 a 1000 turns in primary( 0.6h is most important) plus big wire  for turns in secondary connected to?( other toroid, plus transformer for load all close loop whit big wire,  plus earth wire connected to load transformer?.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on March 04, 2014, 09:03:31 PM

As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".

OK!

Can you bay for me and for you ticket for Foudbal game of Croatia and Brazil? :-)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 09:16:58 PM
OK!

Can you bay for me and for you ticket for Foudbal game of Croatia and Brazil? :-)


Sorry, but I'm living in Florida.


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on March 04, 2014, 09:25:35 PM
Picture would be better to understand...  ::)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 09:47:28 PM
Picture would be better to understand...  ::)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 04, 2014, 10:53:22 PM
Thanks stupify12, can be a microwave transformer or need modification?,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 04, 2014, 11:02:18 PM
from the picture
3 meters of black cable  with a green cable looped around it same size   50 mm dia
the black cable is inserted into 2 big transformers ( like 2 MOT on top of each other )
the secondary  600 to 1000 T  inserted in the black cable loop for secondary output
lv secondary output goes to bridge rectifier then to battery   to  inverter
Loop grounding scenario
1. per stupify  2 grounds/ earth
    Electric company ground  . water tap /  earth wrapped on the HV   loop
2. electric company ground  to the primary  looped
   water tap  to  lv secondary   looped
   earth   connected to the HV  loop
which is which Stupify  Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
 
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 04, 2014, 11:13:40 PM
@ Ariovaldo,

Since that is a junk Captor, can you take it apart more and post some photos?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
from the picture
3 meters of black cable  with a green cable looped around it same size   50 mm dia
the black cable is inserted into 2 big transformers ( like 2 MOT on top of each other )
the secondary  600 to 1000 T  inserted in the black cable loop for secondary output
lv secondary output goes to bridge rectifier then to battery   to  inverter
Loop grounding scenario
1. per stupify  2 grounds/ earth
    Electric company ground  . water tap /  earth wrapped on the HV   loop
2. electric company ground  to the primary  looped
   water tap  to  lv secondary   looped
   earth   connected to the HV  loop
which is which Stupify  Ariovaldo? ??? 8)





No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 11:51:00 PM
Hi, first excuse my English. I looked carefully this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRSP7h73u-Q)

and diagrams from the patent.

1. They say in patent: the ground not a direct contact with the device. Take a look of the pictures with ground. I do not think that thick cable could do looping inside over the secondary looping. It's the same cable where measures the amps.

2. It measures only a single cable (blue) with that clamp meter. why not the black wire? see pic. Only the first device have input wire with two colors the rest not? Why the power cable have two color and the guy watch carrefuly when connect the plug???




3. At the last device, they show as the input 10amps (2200Watts) without loading and the looping wire with 128amps...again without loading.

4. My conclusion is that it is a scam. See my diagram and make the experiment on your risk. Look the diagram

P.S. Now I hope not as I think and is really a good invention.




What I found until now, is not more than this, but once again, as I said, a need a good grounding system to test it.
My partner from Brazil just finished the grounding net, with 40 rods with 3 meters each one in a square lot measuring 20 X 30 meters....
Capisce??


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 04, 2014, 11:54:32 PM

No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....


The toroid core...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 05, 2014, 12:15:27 AM
There are Two Transformer. First Transformer Step UP the Low Voltage we input into HV. The HV potential then is feed to a Step Down Transformer, The Secondary output now is LOw Voltage. The Close Loop is Between the Secondary HV of the First Transformer and HV PRIMARY OF the SEcond Transformer Through Conduction of TWO Ground/Earth Points. 

Two transformers? This reminds me on something like that (Stepanov transformers) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs) in three-phase version:
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 05, 2014, 12:15:28 AM
thanks ariovaldo great contribution,  can you make a small schematic for all of us? Brigado.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: stupify12 on March 05, 2014, 04:28:43 AM
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down
Transformer.

You can drive it with simple flyback driver, mazilli driver, induction heater circuit, Tesla
Capacitor Discharge Circuit. Those drive is just actually the sustainer(kicking coil) for the oscillation to add up to
the Amplifying Coil.

Based on my observation on this device:

1. If ONE ground is disconnected the Load Bulb wont even light at its normal brightness.

2. If the TWO ground is proper connected to the device the Load Bulb will light very bright and very
hot to the touch. Can charge a battery so fast that you will get afraid the Battery will explode, the Battery readings from 12v will shoot easily to 26v.

3. I can assure that there is no harm to us who is getting near the device or handling the HV which
   is the result of Secondary being induced by the Kicking Coil.

4.The main features of this device is that the Magnetic Field of the Primary is away from the Loading Transformer Opposing Magnetic Field. I think you guys called this Lenzless Transformer.

5. This is a device Nikola Tesla disclosed boldly and clearly, I just test and replicated based on his
instruction. It is commonly seen on the internet.
6.You can add as many coils as you want on the Loading Transformer. You can add as many as you want Loading Transformer. Looping is nothing but so simple that you'll laugh.

That is the reason I can tell you guys that a Free energy device really needs Ground/Earth which is also the Plan of Nikola Tesla to send Currents through Ground/Earth.

I can assure you everything has already been disclosed by Nikola Tesla, The Energy Device is just an addition of the Looping Circuit or Looping Charger to charge your Drive Source or Battery.




1. per stupify  2 grounds/ earth
    Electric company ground  . water tap /  earth wrapped on the HV   loop
2. electric company ground  to the primary  looped
   water tap  to  lv secondary   looped
   earth   connected to the HV  loop
which is which Stupify  Ariovaldo? ??? 8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: dllabarre on March 05, 2014, 05:07:39 AM
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down
Transformer.


Are you going to provide us with replication information for your device?

Either way - Thank you for your work on this,
DonL
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 05, 2014, 06:44:14 AM
I posted what I have observe on the prototype device which I replicated from the works of Nikola Tesla. I was using 2 Ground/Earth for the device to deliver proper power output at the Step Down  Transformer.   
MOT for high amperage ???

You can drive it with simple flyback driver, mazilli driver, induction heater circuit, Tesla
Capacitor Discharge Circuit. Those drive is just actually the sustainer(kicking coil) for the oscillation to add up to
the Amplifying Coil.
Jonnydavros  1.5 v dc   flyback driver  5 to 82 mA

Based on my observation on this device:

1. If ONE ground is disconnected the Load Bulb wont even light at its normal brightness.
Checked  confirmed

2. If the TWO ground is proper connected to the device the Load Bulb will light very bright and very
hot to the touch.
split or single?
 
 Can charge a battery so fast that you will get afraid the Battery will explode, the Battery readings from 12v will shoot easily to 26v.
30 V  dc  like reactive charger

3. I can assure that there is no harm to us who is getting near the device or handling the HV which
   is the result of Secondary being induced by the Kicking Coil.
 
With proper connection  not alligator clips

4.The main features of this device is that the Magnetic Field of the Primary is away from the Loading Transformer Opposing Magnetic Field. I think you guys called this Lenzless Transformer.
Induction??

5. This is a device Nikola Tesla disclosed boldly and clearly, I just test and replicated based on his
instruction. It is commonly seen on the internet.
6.You can add as many coils as you want on the Loading Transformer. You can add as many as you want Loading Transformer. Looping is nothing but so simple that you'll laugh.
 
hahahahahah   like  this????

That is the reason I can tell you guys that a Free energy device really needs Ground/Earth which is also the Plan of Nikola Tesla to send Currents through Ground/Earth.
Water tap, Neutral, electrical compnay ground  and earth copper rod

I can assure you everything has already been disclosed by Nikola Tesla, The Energy Device is just an addition of the Looping Circuit or Looping Charger to charge your Drive Source or Battery.
Confirmed
 
Thanks  Bro    thats more like it  Pinoy way :)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 05, 2014, 09:40:37 AM
Hi ariovaldo,
Thank images.
Epoxy composites mixed with pebbles are hard to break! . .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 05, 2014, 10:49:13 AM

No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....
Muito bom   senior   no more imagination    obrigado  8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Shokac on March 05, 2014, 10:57:22 AM

No high voltage...Just the primary that is a toroid with 600 turns and the secondary with 3 meters. The secondary pass just once inside the toroid....
The ground is not connected to the secondary high amps loop.
They used as a toroid core a electric motor stator.....

Thanks!

Where the load is connected?
My assumption is that it is connected to the loop and the ground!?

Why secundary is 3m long?



Shokac
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 05, 2014, 01:28:06 PM
What ariovaldo is showing is only a toroid whit 600 to 1000 turns in primary(0.6h) using a stator for it, plus 4 turns clockwise around the toroid exterior whit big wire passing only one turn inside (this is the secondary) closing tho loop, take from the connection one output, and the ground cable around one point the 4 turns the secondary, also connect to second output, if I am  wrong correct me please. Thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 05, 2014, 02:26:52 PM
@ Stupify12

Thank you for your GREAT details post.  Can you please post a Photo and a Diagram (or schematic).

Thank you.
                                                                                                             .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: GCNG on March 06, 2014, 05:36:33 PM
In your opinion stupify12, what would it mean if in grid tests of Captors utilizing 3 phase power, one of the 3 phases is returning a large amount of power back to the grid while the other 2 phases are not returning power?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 12, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
Hello mr ariovaldo, thanks for sharing, do you have any picture or schematic for all of us? Good work keep up.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 16, 2014, 01:25:30 AM
NEW NEWS on this:


http://www.earth-heal.com/news/news/112-inventions/1472-brazil-free-energy-device.html (http://www.earth-heal.com/news/news/112-inventions/1472-brazil-free-energy-device.html)
                                                                              .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 16, 2014, 02:30:38 AM
OK going by one of the pictures on the webpage linked in the above post the ground wire is bared copper wrapped around a Bared copper section of the shorted thick conductor of a few turns which is wrapped around the transformer.

I will now have to try that.  ;) As it is shown in the small schematic.

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 16, 2014, 04:22:16 AM
the big starnd in the cable is for the high amps high temperature
same as in high amps srating batteries 
check igor moroz alternatives 1 and 2  using toroids  in the loop to release the load 8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on March 16, 2014, 07:45:44 AM
Please do it before the World War III comes. :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 16, 2014, 08:55:50 AM

As I said, I'm 95% sure the device doesn't work, but there is one more test that needs to be done and I'm waiting to build a good grounding system to test the "grounding loop effect".
Hi ariovaldo,
I'm still waiting for your test results on this device.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 16, 2014, 10:46:32 AM
the big starnd in the cable is for the high amps high temperature
same as in high amps srating batteries 
check igor moroz alternatives 1 and 2  using toroids  in the loop to release the load 8)

several experimentors/ inventors have said it is better to use a solid copper than a multi-strand if you can get it.  also most of these devices have two earth connections, water pipe and another ground wire ..  ie the galvanised  (zinc) water pipe, and the copper cable, these are two of the more efficient materials used in the ' earth battery ' .. I think this is a clue to the way it works.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 16, 2014, 11:27:15 AM
So has no one tried this with bared conductors to make electrical contact between the high current loop and the ground wire ?

I guess not but I must ask why are people not trying this ?

I'll do the same as last time and create a LV 24 volt AC system which is a grounded neutral just like the grid is, by using a step down transformer to get the 24 volts, I will ground one LV leg to make it neutral then use the transformer to wrap the couple of loops of thick cable on to get a LV set up as it is shown in the diagram in the red square.

The last test I did I did not bare the wires. I used only my ground stake not the house ground system. This time I will try both, my experiment hut is a mess but I will video the setup to show the results anyway, as I think it is important to show just what it does do. I may need two days. I think there is a hand drawing back in this thread showing my last arrangement and how the LV grounded AC system is done.

I may also try using the grid 240v neutral and the grounded loop on my ground stake. I think I'll try that first, seems the most likely to show the biggest potential difference.

I think I might get their thinking. Some one needs to try it.  :)

Cheers

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 16, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
1 wire charger an alternative to solar panel    yt     I used induction from a wall adaptor   in switched off position  and water tap  ... my caps charged up to 338v dc in 9 hours.....   that means the potential is there ....  either put this volatge in a coil / cap   and use the loop as in Barbosa
lots of possibilities   ... Farmhand s test ....   well see what happen.......
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 16, 2014, 06:00:35 PM
Working on It. Actually removed electrical tape and changed for tissue tape much better.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 16, 2014, 06:01:14 PM
Working on It.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 17, 2014, 12:42:25 PM
Working on It.


It looks good !


I had the tests done and the results were not so good. I hope I'm missing something, if not, the equipment is really FAKE.


Check the pictures !!!!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 17, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Hi ariovaldo,
Thank you.
The same thing happened with the energy-saving equipment and it is made from China!!!

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 03:19:41 PM
Hello havuhung,

I find myself having that conclusion, which in some ways irks me as they built two companies around my knowledge, and the energy developments these companies have suffered a similar amount of query and mockery.

Amplification of energy is quite easy, put two wires into a tree and tap its amperage into a capacitor and you have enough power to run a house, however the duration is dependant on how long the amperage has been storing.

The inventors lay claim its straight wattage in and out yet their secrecy defies that. As for Patents there is no such thing as a world Patent, they are taken country by country, and many wont Patent unless your a citizen. The next problem is if you don't have the money to enforce your Patent its money pissed up the wall.

Dear Das Energy,

How to get power from a tree to charge a capacitor to run a house ? As said by you in this post quoted above.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 17, 2014, 03:25:19 PM
Mr ariovaldo don't give up  ;).
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 03:28:57 PM
A signature campaign by Barbosa and Leil on avaaz.org reads the following :

CEMAR ENERGY COMPANY MARANHÃO IS IN FRANCE TO CHASE THE INVENTORS CAPTOR ELECTRON: NILSON BARBOSA Cleriston LOYAL AND ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE PRISON OF CAUSING THEM BIG Bully

A CEMAR COMPANHIA DE ENERGIA DO MARANHÃO ESTA EM FRANCA PERSEGUIÇÃO AOS INVENTORES DO CAPTOR DE ELÉTRONS:NILSON BARBOSA E CLÉRISTON LEAL A PONTO DE DETERMINAR A PRISÃO DOS MESMOS CAUSANDO GRANDE INTIM

Whats happening guys, anyone knows about this in details ??

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 17, 2014, 04:28:50 PM
1. The Electron Charge Funnel(Electron Captor) was design to be step down transformer into a usable Voltage, but the resulting Voltage is still High Frequency on my set up. If they had much more enough imagination they wouldn't need any battery at all ;D they needed only some high value Capacitor Bank as replacement of the Battery.

2. They filter the output into FWBR to charge those battery. The purpose of  DC output is to filter the HF AC that is very difficult to lower the
frequency. They had used the already made device for simplicity.

@ Ariovaldo. Why does your test fails  because you don't understand clearly what is the purpose of the Earth Grounding.

Kapanadze Quote: " The secret is so simple that you'll laugh" LOL  ;D ;D ;D

Dear stupify12,

We all shall be very much obliged to you if you can please tell us in simple words, how to replicate the Barbosa and Leil generator, maybe for 100 to 200 watt output only.

You seem to be quite knowlegeable about Tesla patents and its applications in building free energy devices.

Please make a simple schematic, where we can buy radio shack parts and make a small working prototype with proper earth grounding etc.

Please make a schematic in which we can use a capacitor bank instead of a battery.

Awaiting your kind response.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 17, 2014, 10:37:10 PM
Hello ALL,

The truth is, I believe this device to be a "dead end".  BUT there is something to be learned when playing with closed current loops as it pertains to S.M. Kicks and the TPU is what I will tell you.

I have had over 200 amps in my current loop.  It will not go to ground.  Resistance of any sort kills the effect.  there is NO WAY to use the amperage, but ONLY the magnetic field associated with it.  Or the heat.  That IS the truth of the matter.

Once the current is in the loop, caused by Lenz's Law, it is not coming out.  YOU must think of HOW to use the magnetic field of said current.  That is all I can say.

Ground from the current loop is a WASTE of time.  In my humble opinion after MUCH experimentation in two labs.

Play with closed current loops and think for yourselves.  Tedious, but not hard.

Cheers,

Bruce

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Olivegus on March 17, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
                     Happy birthday -25 years jubilee- open source :
[0040] To clarify the operation of this embodiment according to the in-vention, the following dimensioning of the transformer windings is given using Figure 17 as an example, the iron cores being dimensioned in accordance with the manner usual for transformers:
- winding 81: 100 windings, 220 V/50 Hz, 5 A at full load;
- winding 82: 1 winding, 5000 A;
- winding 84: 1000 windings, 5000 A;
- winding 85: 1100 windings, 4500 A, 220 V/50 Hz.

 [0041] From the above example it is evident that, with a coil 82 having 5000 ampere windings, a flux variation of 5000000 ampere windings can be generated with the superconducting coil 84. Accordingly, a generated power of 990 kW can be drawn from the terminals 89 for a power supplied to the connecting terminals 88 of 1.1 kW, and this corresponds to a power gain of approximately a factor of 1000                                   

                                                                 superconducting= super low resistance

Sincerely
              OCWL


hi, do you have a video of this please / and can you prove these findings? thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 02:22:20 AM
Dear Bruce,

Can you suggest a simple circuit schematic to make a current loop to generate high magnetic field. Actually most of us are sort of dumb and do not understand riddles. And there are already enough people who have been talking in riddles on the overunity forum since many years.

Entire humanity shall be grateful to you if you could free us from the shackles of energy elites ruling the world. Your name shall be written in golden words in the history of energy generation.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 18, 2014, 09:30:28 AM
A signature campaign by Barbosa and Leil on avaaz.org reads the following :

CEMAR ENERGY COMPANY MARANHÃO IS IN FRANCE TO CHASE THE INVENTORS CAPTOR ELECTRON: NILSON BARBOSA Cleriston LOYAL AND ABOUT TO DETERMINE THE PRISON OF CAUSING THEM BIG Bully

A CEMAR COMPANHIA DE ENERGIA DO MARANHÃO ESTA EM FRANCA PERSEGUIÇÃO AOS INVENTORES DO CAPTOR DE ELÉTRONS:NILSON BARBOSA E CLÉRISTON LEAL A PONTO DE DETERMINAR A PRISÃO DOS MESMOS CAUSANDO GRANDE INTIM

Whats happening guys, anyone knows about this in details ??

Best,
.........


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I have a little news which I am not happy to hear .. ... ... my contact says ..
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The news i have are not so good at all.

A man i know little has been in contact with with Barbosa by cellphone. After some talks this man reached the conclusion that the Barbosa´s  device is just a way to fool the meters and not a really energy amplifier as seem to be the Kapanadze.

Anyhow we will invite him to be  here at our city to the Free Software event at May. It he comes and if he bring with him a Captor we will have the opportunity to really exam this piece of equipment.

By the way, do you know any reposts about people trying to replicate the Kapanadze´s device ?

That report by  Jean-Louis Naudin about Kapanadze was not so good at all as he reached only COP < 1.

Best
Thomas .... ....  [ remember they ran the device from a battery also, fool the meters?]
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My personal feeling is that they do have something, if they just wanted to take the money and run they would have gone by now they are getting a lot of agro .. also I think the same of Kapanadze and the other devices, there is something.  Maybe they are using the energy source as an earth battery or a capacitor and by using a pulse generator they are magnifying the natural frequency to pump it out or release it. Imagine the device as a water pump taking water from the ground, for example the heat pump like the ' Thermo-Syphon '  it is not over unity or perpetual but it is very useful, note it does not use a common energy source.   I am thinking that people such as the Brazilians, Kapanadze and others are using the same principles lets say magnifying natural frequencies to cause flow in one direction for example, a/c current. translation of pendulum movement into rotational etc. the principle is always there use of an outside energy source to magnify a resonant frequency. one more example  remember when you used to go swimming and make waves in the pool with your pals? .. a few people can move an enormous amount of water which splashed out of the pool and you were only a few kids (an outside energy source) 

I think they have something which they don't fully understand yet, I also think there are people who will try to make them look ridiculous so that people won't believe what is happening and won't take it seriously.  It was said when the motor car was invented that if you were to travel faster than 20mph you would not be able to breath and would die .. they said man would never be able to fly, and that if you walked too far you would fall off the edge of the earth.  We are explorers, whatever we can dream has the potential to become possible one day .. remove the resistance.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 10:38:34 AM
Just an update, I'm almost ready to run my second experiment. Almost setup, unless I see something interesting I won't bother with any video.

I've decided this test will be to use the grid neutral (which is grounded by the house ground) and the High current loop (which will be grounded to my own personal ground stake) as the output, ignoring the existing LV windings on the transformer. I'm looking at it and visualizing the circuit in operation and all I see is a small difference in potential or Phase between the two grounded points. I do not see what else could happen, both output lines are connected to the ground. I fail to see how anything unconventional will happen. The neutral line from the grid is grounded and the high current loop is grounded if both grounds are good then the potential difference should be small, a few volts at most, likely less than 1 volt. But I'll try it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense.

I've got one loop of 8 mm cable for the loop around the transformer with a air loop for measuring the current in the loop.

The circuit will go from the grid to a safety switch then the energy meter then the variac then the transformers 240 volt winding. The neutral of the grid will be one output leg and the grounded high current loop will be the other output leg as shown in the drawing in my previous post, the drawing in the red box.

Cheers

P.S. when I look at the device opened up in the pictures does it show the thick cable wrapped around the outside of the toroid core and not through it ?

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 18, 2014, 10:56:56 AM
Just an update, I'm almost ready to run my second experiment. Almost setup, unless I see something interesting I won't bother with any video.

I've decided this test will be to use the grid neutral (which is grounded by the house ground) and the High current loop (which will be grounded to my own personal ground stake) as the output, ignoring the existing LV windings on the transformer. I'm looking at it and visualizing the circuit in operation and all I see is a small difference in potential or Phase between the two grounded points. I do not see what else could happen, both output lines are connected to the ground. I fail to see how anything unconventional will happen. The neutral line from the grid is grounded and the high current loop is grounded if both grounds are good then the potential difference should be small, a few volts at most, likely less than 1 volt. But I'll try it anyway. It just doesn't make any sense.

I've got one loop of 8 mm cable for the loop around the transformer with a air loop for measuring the current in the loop.

The circuit will go from the grid to a safety switch then the energy meter then the variac then the transformers 240 volt winding. The neutral of the grid will be one output leg and the grounded high current loop will be the other output leg as shown in the drawing in my previous post, the drawing in the red box.

Cheers

P.S. when I look at the device opened up in the pictures does it show the thick cable wrapped around the outside of the toroid core and not through it ?

..
   ---

Hi at the moment we are experimenting so anything goes if it seems to be safe yes .. did you try reversing the ground connections. and did you try dissimilar materials/ metals for the earthing rods,  maybe as with the earth battery it makes a difference, eg one copper and one zinc (galvanised) this is what Kapanadze used (a copper radiator buried in the ground and the galvanised steel water pipe. if you look at the best metals for the earth battery electrodes there is a list of best pairs/ combinations to use. maybe it won't make a difference unless somebody tries it we won't know. just another possibility, I assume also it requires and oscillator or as with Kapanadze again a spark device and a load, it seems to not produce current unless you are drawing it off in use.  maybe you have already thought of all this.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 11:20:18 AM
Yes, well my ground stake is a 6.5 foot galvanized steel fence picket all the way in the ground but the house grounds are copper rods, the house wiring system has two ground stakes, one at the house by the fuse box and one at the work shed by the circuit breaker box there. My ground stake is in permanently moist ground about 10 meter from the closest house ground. My electric fence for the animals has two gal. steel pickets it is about 50 meters from my ground stake, I can pick up the electric fence impulse by scoping my ground stake connected to a coil.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 12:25:12 PM
WOWEE, With only 100 volts to the 240 volt winding the input goes to 33 Watts and the single loop of 8mm cable has 188 amperes of current flowing in it and it gets quite warm. Usual idle power input for the transformer is a couple of Watts. In my opinion if I took it to 240 volts input it would hit the current limit of the 8mm copper cable, not sure what that would be, any idea's ? The input would be fairly high as well, maybe 80 to 100 Watts. Maybe I need thicker wire or two of them paralleled. Anyway I'll continue and see if the insulation melts or not. hehehehe

I think it's a fire hazard.  :(

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on March 18, 2014, 12:28:12 PM
Farmhand: I am finding it hard to visualize what you are experimenting with. Any chance of a schematic?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
OK I think I might video tape this, with about 50 volts into the transformer 240 volt winding I'm getting a small voltage 1.7 to 1.8v which seems to have some impedance behind it because when I tried to short the grid neutral line to my ground the safety switch tripped open and cut the grid power, the active line was not touched, this means there was at least 30 mA of current that went between the grid neutral and my ground stake,either out of the house current loop or into it, which in turn caused a current mismatch on the house wires and this trips the safety switch. Which is not a good sign for the device if a safety switch is used, I cannot tell which way the current went though. My intuition says it went from house neutral to my ground, if it went the other way that would be interesting. Thinking...... Maybe an isolation transformer would stop the safety switch from tripping but also negate the effect.

AKing, It's exactly as Barbosa and Leal drawing on the previous page, the small schematic with the red paint square I put around it. I will post a schematic soon, hand drawn to make it quick, but it will be clear, and if I do make a video clip it will show the entire setup. please bear with me.  :)

If anyone experiments with the grid power without proper caution the risk is death, please, everyone stay alive. I don't recommend it, but I am nobody's boss. reminders to be careful cannot happen too much in my opinion, sorry to ramble about safety. I know were risk takers but getting dropped by the grid is not fun.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
Dear farmhand,

Please be careful of what you are doing. You are actually playing with official gridline and earthing.

We need you on the forum, please take all the safety precautions. If barbosa and leil are clandestinely stealing grid power, not many people will be interested in buying their product, IMHO.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ramset on March 18, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
Google
It would seem from your comment that you have not been following Farmhands work on this, nor his opinion on the topic and their claims.
 
Chet
 
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 18, 2014, 01:28:37 PM
The comment is only as a well wisher. No undertones in it please.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ramset on March 18, 2014, 01:36:08 PM
Google
I infer no "undertone" whatsover,I just read the thread .
And as a result am quite aware of Farmhands opinions on this as well as the purpose of his experiment.
thx
Chet
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 01:41:20 PM
No offence, safety first.  ;D

This time I tripped the house safety switch as well as my portable one, If I didn't warn the other humans of the possibility I would be in trouble for interrupting their TV programming session. hehehe And it did it while not even driving the transformer, I had the active line disconnected.

I guess I need to look at a variac schematic to make an accurate drawing and analyse it, there was 1.7 volts potential between the house neutral and my ground stake it's enough to force over 30 Ma of current out of the neutral line into the ground by the looks of it, I think the house grounds are sus, they need checking by an electrician, I think my ground stake is much better.  :)

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 02:38:49 PM
OK, now it's obvious why the safety switches tripped. See drawing below. If the variac was not there it might not have tripped the safety switch. If there is any current mismatch over 30 mA between the active and neutral lines the safety switch trips to save lives. This disallows any electrical connection to the grid and so an isolation transformer would need to be used, so that takes me back to my original experiment using an isolation transformer and my ground stake, except this time the ground wire will have an electrical connection to the high current loop.

The drawing below will not work with safety switches for obvious reasons.

Cheers

P.S. With 100 Volts applied to the transformer about 30 Watts is consumed and the single loop red cable has 188 amperes flowing in it. The ground wire is not connected to the loop in the photo.

..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 18, 2014, 03:47:56 PM
Hi Farmhand
thanks for the test results
I did not use the neutral on the output.....  only a step down transformer  220 v  to 24 v    and the 24 v   winding removed with 2 turns
the loop end connections I can touch  with a clampmeter reading of 190 amps   .  this one I discovered while I accidentally touched the ends of the loop
the  60 w lamp is dim  maybe due to the winding   must have used the 220 v winding as output.....
the toroid used by Igor Moroz i think is more suitable to insert in the loop
the cable in the loop heats up very fast to 85 degrees Celsius  with 220 v ac  input
Beside earth connection   we can use a flyback hv  to inject on the loop ends   and the toroid within the loop can pick up the induction for the load.....
I think the Neutral you used and the Induction in the loop are the ones to be used for loading and will not trip the upstream fuse
Another way to increase induction in the loop is wrap the earth wire or copper tube and reduce heat at the same time 8)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 18, 2014, 04:14:31 PM
I'm not finished yet, looking at the drawing it has a + and a - so I think I'll rectify the output of a transformer (so it's isolated from the grid) and feed the "device transformer" with lumpy DC, that will give me a setup more like the Barbosa and Leal drawing. Meaning there will be a positive and a negative at the input to the transformer with the loop on it, and I will be able to try a load between the grounded loop and the negative side of the transformer input, as it is shown in their schematic. I'll see what happens with that.

Cheers
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 05:30:46 PM
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg








Cheers....
Ariovaldo

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: gambadjao on March 18, 2014, 06:03:52 PM
@ariovaldo Thank you for the video. Now you succeed replicating Barbosa device, please can you share a schematic or a simple how-to for the noobs like me ? For example, I don't understand what is the white ring, so I don't know how to build it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 18, 2014, 06:22:30 PM
Thanks ariovaldo. :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 18, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)
thanks for sharing
there was an increase of current with the load  based on what youve seen in the Barbosa leal construction









 8) Cheers....
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 18, 2014, 06:25:58 PM
Hi ariovaldo

Very Good Video.


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: gyulasun on March 18, 2014, 08:00:18 PM
Check this.....




http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg (http://youtu.be/B5qw76Ay7kg)



Cheers....
Ariovaldo

Hi Ariovaldo,

I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted? 

You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ...  the other side of the secondary"  and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains? 
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase"  means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right? 

Thanks,  Gyula
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
Hi Ariovaldo,

I understand that one turn out of the four goes through the primary coil's core but I ask how the 4 turn secondary is connected: is it in series with the primary or the 4 turns are shorted? 

You say in the video that "one side of the phase goes to ...  the other side of the secondary"  and I ask: does "the phase" mean the Live wire from the 110V mains? 
I understand also that the industrial ground wire is looped through i.e. coupled to one of the turns of the secondary coil and if your word "phase"  means the Live wire from the mains, then the 100W lamp is connected between the industrial ground and the mains Live wire, right? 

Thanks,  Gyula


Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections are very simple. The primary has between  600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: gyulasun on March 18, 2014, 09:23:21 PM
Caro Ariovaldo,

Obrigado pelos esclarecimentos, tudo é compreendido agora.

Saudações,
Gyula
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on March 18, 2014, 09:28:50 PM

Hey Gyula!
Sorry about my drawings (parece um cú), but the captor connections is very simple. The primary has between  600 to 1000 turns, it depend the core diameter, and a secondary has 4 turns. The phase feed one side of the primary and is connected to the secondary before the secondary pass through the primary. The phase output is connect in the secondary after it pass through the primary.... ( in the other side of the primary) They use the N from the grid just to feed the primary coil. In another words: The load is connected using the grid and the grounding, made of a very thicker cable ( 35 to 50 mm) plus a lot of rods.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 10:10:59 PM
To everybody that is following this post.
Think about that:
The pictures that we can find in the internet show us that there are two meters, one circuit break and 2 voltage surge protection in the door. I found out the meters are connect like that:
1)      Volts meter has 2 wires and is connected strait from the grid.
2)      Amperes meter has 4 wires: 2 wires from the grid to feed it and 2 wires from the ct. The ct IS LOCATED IN THE SECONDARY….
Now the big question: Why somebody do that if is not just to trick  and to fool the people? I read some people calculating the output, multiplying the volts from the primary by the amps from the secondary….Results: A BIG OUT OUTPUT….
Do you know guys, I’m not happy about that, but it is the true.[/font]
 
Cheers
 
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 18, 2014, 10:13:37 PM
You can put lamp betwen phase and ground and lamp lights, but here no free energy.
And if you run you divice from inverter, your lamp not lights.


No free energy, just one more BS..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on March 18, 2014, 10:26:44 PM
Farmhand: I believe that some parts of Australia still use SWER.
Also some remote parts of the USA still use SWER.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 19, 2014, 12:53:52 AM
Finally works good to fool electric meters but no really free energy , not overunity, not captor de electrons from ground.  >:(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 02:28:56 AM

No free energy, just one more BS..

Boils down to clandestine stealing of grid power by fooling the energy meter ?

Sigh of relief !! One more faker debunked without much wastage of time and energy of forum members. Thx to Ariovaldo and farmhand.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 19, 2014, 04:01:33 AM
Hi All,
Thank you  Ariovaldo.

Legends of energy extracted from the ground by two inventors had to end. Perhaps threaded discussion will be closed! :( :( :(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on March 19, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
not so fast friends, show me first 6kW output without registered on meters
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 19, 2014, 08:50:36 AM
not so fast friends, show me first 6kW output without registered on meters
  ----- -----

yes me too ..  whenever a crook steals your wallet he runs away .. I can't believe that after working on this for several years they would throw away their business and their lives just to make a quick buck ..  which they haven't done incidentally .. they are still around and not making any money from this. .. the 'elites' want you to believe it won't work .. watch this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM OU Energy .. The movement
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 09:19:43 AM
 1 wire charger as alternative to solar panel yt
the 470 uf  450 vdc cap  was charged up to 4oo v dc  using induction and ground only in 3 hours 
 8)
while others do the talk   lets all do the walk as in Akula 30 w
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 09:56:59 AM
  ----- -----

yes me too ..  whenever a crook steals your wallet he runs away .. I can't believe that after working on this for several years they would throw away their business and their lives just to make a quick buck ..  which they haven't done incidentally .. they are still around and not making any money from this. .. the 'elites' want you to believe it won't work .. watch this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbeseiPPCeM OU Energy .. The movement

No working circuit diagram from Wesley. Is youtube a science fiction theatre ??  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 10:01:58 AM
Dear totoalas,

I do appreciate your efforts. But in the absence of grid power, your system wont work. Arent you trying to lighten the weight of a deadbody by pulling its pubic hair out ? If you now excuse me for my analogy. Lol.

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: gyulasun on March 19, 2014, 12:12:48 PM
A good 'challange' to the inventors Barbosa and Leal would be the followings:  suppose we create a totally ground independent AC mains source either by an appropiate power inverter run from a big battery bank or by using a few kW Diesel or similar ungrounded generator  and  ask the two guys to run their device from such AC source,  then how their device would perform?     8) ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 19, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
A good 'challange' to the inventors Barbosa and Leal would be the followings:  suppose we create a totally ground independent AC mains source either by an appropiate power inverter run from a big battery bank or by using a few kW Diesel or similar ungrounded generator  and  ask the two guys to run their device from such AC source,  then how their device would perform?     8) ;)

the captor has been tested running from a battery, for 4 hrs I believe before it was switched off. there was still charge in the battery, the demonstration was public and included a representative of Sterling Alan.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 19, 2014, 01:32:07 PM
No working circuit diagram from Wesley. Is youtube a science fiction theatre ??  >:( >:(
----

hi google I think there is a schematic at the end of the part two video which you might find very interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9UKBEEKx4w
.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 02:28:10 PM
Dear totoalas,

I do appreciate your efforts. But in the absence of grid power, your system wont work. Arent you trying to lighten the weight of a deadbody by pulling its pubic hair out ? If you now excuse me for my analogy. Lol.

 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
thanks fir ur analogy 
why wait for free energy  if u can do it hybrid   while still waiting for  one
in a 3rd world country where 85 percent of their hard earned money goes to utility bills instead of food
this a step in right direction
like you said  to share ur formula for making gold in the lab
would that be better and ur name will be remembered which was said by you
if ur living in a free country  we can do what we want
so ill settke for more tests  on the barbosa leal as others are
hope you can contribute with ur own   thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 19, 2014, 02:32:37 PM
I agree with you folks about things looking very SUSPICIOUS, and it sure looks like the Captor is just
FOOLING the meter by pulling Juice from the Wall HOT WIRE to the Earth Ground, thus fooling the meter.

HOWEVER, looking at the Spec Sheet, how could a Home Captor Unit draw 12,000 WATTS from
the WALL OUTLET without BLOWING a Fuse or house Circuit Breaker?  See what I mean?

Does anybody know the FUSE or Circuit Breaker Size in an average Brazil home that uses 220 Volts?
                                                                  .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 19, 2014, 02:34:24 PM
thanks fir ur analogy 
why wait for free energy  if u can do it hybrid   while still waiting for  one
in a 3rd world country where 85 percent of their hard earned money goes to utility bills instead of food
this a step in right direction
like you said  to share ur formula for making gold in the lab
would that be better and ur name will be remembered which was said by you
if ur living in a free country  we can do what we want
so ill settke for more tests  on the barbosa leal as others are
hope you can contribute with ur own   thanks
[/quote

whatever you believe you must watch this ..  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img   ***
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e92yz5Y1img   ***

.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
Wind an ordinary heater element wire around the phase wire of the grid in your house, it should not touch the phase wire anywhere. Connect one end of the heater element coil with a cap and other end of the cap to earth. Other end of heater coil wire should be left as it it, not connected anywhere.

Have free electricity, unmetered, for as long as you want.

For better results use thick copper or silver strand.

If in your country you have neutral return wire system :

Make a deep dug earth connection, put a copper rod in it connected witha thick multistand cable as used in battery connections to inverters. Let this wire be deep buried in hole with rod. Do not remove cables insulation till atleast 4 meters deep. Fill the whole with concrete. Let it dry.

Now check the potential difference between phase wire and earth you created. If need be add an automatic voltage trafo in between, say 5kw, to power your house load.

Check energy meter reading before and one month after.

Best way to free energy for third world.  ;D

Ps. Totoalas, you forgot I clearly mentioned that if Tito shares his free energy device I will tell my heavy metals to gold transmutation formula. No alchemistry, pure physical chemistry.

Best,
Have fun.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 03:41:27 PM
Still better way, make a tunable RLC circuit with natural resonance at 50 or 60 hz and suck free wireless power from the grid.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Formulas available all over the internet. Put the recieving coil on you roof.  ;D ;D ;D

Make multiple FM crystal radios tuned to your local FM station, use tuned dipole antenna with good earth and dump their out put to a cap and charge batteries with it.  ;D ;D ;D ;D Free energy from thin air.

Wear shoes fitted with piezo speakers at the bottom, all connected to a super cap. In the night switch on small LED lamp headlights mounted in front of your shoes. Free energy. Shoes with headlights and red tail lights.  ;D ;D ;D  ;D

Not joking.  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 03:52:20 PM
Anogher bright free energy idea : Order meter jamming remotes from China or bribe your friendly meter reading man to put a slow moving meter on your line.

Another clever hybrid overunity way of free energy. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 04:11:13 PM
nice tip Google
if you can also see why  meters are installed   20 feet above ground power companies meter readers use vernacular lense to read meters on top of 20 ft poles  to eliminate meter tampering
Using two bladed hook with stone as weight on a passing two wire  elecrc utility  cables   wellla   free lighting and tv at night
Slider just uploaded his 1 wire dc led lights @ 50 feet   using battery    so theres a chance
now back to Barbosa
lets do it     
cheers 8)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:21:07 PM
nice tip Google
if you can also see why  meters are installed   20 feet above ground power companies meter readers use vernacular lense to read meters on top of 20 ft poles  to eliminate meter tampering
Using two bladed hook with stone as weight on a passing two wire  elecrc utility  cables   wellla   free lighting and tv at night
Slider just uploaded his 1 wire dc led lights @ 50 feet   using battery    so theres a chance
now back to Barbosa
lets do it     
cheers 8)

http://blogs.dunyanews.tv/?p=6991
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
Link please ..
Thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 19, 2014, 04:32:40 PM
Wind an ordinary heater element wire around the phase wire of the grid in your house, it should not touch the phase wire anywhere. Connect one end of the heater element coil with a cap and other end of the cap to earth. Other end of heater coil wire should be left as it it, not connected anywhere.

Have free electricity, unmetered, for as long as you want.

For better results use thick copper or silver strand.

If in your country you have neutral return wire system :

Make a deep dug earth connection, put a copper rod in it connected witha thick multistand cable as used in battery connections to inverters. Let this wire be deep buried in hole with rod. Do not remove cables insulation till atleast 4 meters deep. Fill the whole with concrete. Let it dry.

Now check the potential difference between phase wire and earth you created. If need be add an automatic voltage trafo in between, say 5kw, to power your house load.

Check energy meter reading before and one month after.

Best way to free energy for third world.  ;D

Ps. Totoalas, you forgot I clearly mentioned that if Tito shares his free energy device I will tell my heavy metals to gold transmutation formula. No alchemistry, pure physical chemistry.

Best,
Have fun.

Hi Google,
If someone's done according to what you said above, he would be the power supply company accused of: (electricity theft)!  ;D ;D ;D
                                   PS: Free energy in this way is not okay!!!


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 04:50:00 PM
Link please ..
Thanks
dc single wire transmission   and  dc single wire  -  50 ft from solar     yt     slider 2732 8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:51:33 PM
No its free energy by induction. Anyway power company has induction losses. I can sue power company to irradiate my house with unwanted radiations.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 19, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
Thx 4 d link tots,

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on March 19, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
Since some time I'm doing a reflection, but it is possible that these gentlemen have spent a lot of money
 to have Brazilian European and international patent for something that they were not sure that the system
 works maybe the captor is just a diversion to divert those like us but the secret is it another..

Leo48
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 19, 2014, 06:35:27 PM
Since some time I'm doing a reflection, but it is possible that these gentlemen have spent a lot of money
 to have Brazilian European and international patent for something that they were not sure that the system
 works maybe the captor is just a diversion to divert those like us but the secret is it another..

Leo48


I agree with you...Why somebody will spend a lot of money with a system that looks like a scam?
I tested the equipment and it did work in my place, probably because the grounding system was not so good, but the same equipment was tested in a good grounding system before and didn't run either.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Groundloop on March 19, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
No its free energy by induction. Anyway power company has induction losses. I can sue power company to irradiate my house with unwanted radiations.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Google,

If you do, then the power company may install a meter like this. ;D ;D ;D ;D

GL.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 19, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
 ;D ;D ;D  GL and Ariovaldo   
Another way is the Bedini wheel sending back spikes and slowing down the meter .....   lol  8) 8) 8)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 20, 2014, 04:24:12 AM

I agree with you...Why somebody will spend a lot of money with a system that looks like a scam?
I tested the equipment and it did work in my place, probably because the grounding system was not so good, but the same equipment was tested in a good grounding system before and didn't run either.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Hi All,
Things on my mind and I have also found an answer is: There are some people they like and in any way that they tricked you, if successful with these actions, they are delighted and says, 'I've tricked it really stupid when guys listen to us!

Well, they always cheat people and are proud of what they've done! :(

Havuhung








Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Collapsingfield on March 20, 2014, 02:07:09 PM

http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/:

"They hooked the Captor to a 90 Amp-hour battery with a DC/AC inverter that drew 21 A at 12 Volts DC that, in turn, fed the Captor with 252 W at 230 V. They then hooked a 1,000 W lamp and a 600 W heater with a total load of 1,610 W. That comes to a ratio of nearly 6.4 times the power drawn from the inverter -- not as good as what they observed at a higher power level from the grid, but definitely an overunity effect of a very significant level."[/size]
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on March 20, 2014, 02:20:25 PM
Here http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf)
Use in to 2000 W iverter [size=78%]11,72 VCC[/size]
55,4 A = 649 W (0,649 KW)
out 237 VCA x 815 A = 193.115 W (193 KW)

Energy amplification, more than 200 times.
If I good understand foreign language. :D ;D


Edit: But seems they meshure closed loop but not amps on load.  :o  seems they use tick iron pipe as resistance, so meashurements may be not wery correct.[/size]
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 20, 2014, 03:28:41 PM
Here http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/TESTE_BATERIA.pdf)
Use in to 2000 W iverter [size=78%]11,72 VCC[/size]
55,4 A = 649 W (0,649 KW)
out 237 VCA x 815 A = 193.115 W (193 KW)

Energy amplification, more than 200 times.
If I good understand foreign language. :D ;D


Edit: But seems they meshure closed loop but not amps on load.  :o  seems they use tick iron pipe as resistance, so meashurements may be not wery correct.[/size]


That isn't true. The amps they are getting is in the secondary. If take a look in the movie that I made, I got 80 amps in the secondary, so 80 X 110 volts will be 8.8 kw and that isn't true...

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 20, 2014, 06:51:12 PM
its like a welding machine as shown by Thomas kim video
my 6mm pvc sheath  melt only after 5 minutes so maybe there is still a use for this in heating application
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 20, 2014, 09:04:01 PM
Don't give up, maybe something surprise us.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: reniukas on March 20, 2014, 09:46:10 PM
Hi for all
Don't give up with Barbosa replication .I'm trying too, but still nothing .

I new in this forum but not new in free  energy research .I carefully checked all  Mr Ariovaldo pictures and i found that transformer have 4 wire ends so it's not single wire with 600 turns and there is different size of wire check picture .
And here could be different winding 
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k
http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/
May be here is the answer
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 21, 2014, 12:12:31 AM
Here is a NICE site from a WITNESS.  You can even DOWNLOAD a ZIPPED file of 18 Hi RES photos.


http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/ (http://pesn.com/2014/01/30/9602431_PESN-rep_witnesses_Evolucoes-Energia-Captor_off-grid-overunity/)

                                                                                          .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 05:39:42 AM
Hi All,

Another question is: Why is the device from the company patents were sold to customers, it is fake and it does not work?   ( Here we have a device Ariovaldo of which he spent much effort to decode secret to us ).

Is it a scam plans of this company? or an individual that is also the inventor ? >:(

The tricks used to conceal, witnesses peered into the device's performance they will have a lot of ways and they can hire individuals to speak flattering words for their fake products.

It's really hard to get the insight to avoid being fooled!!!  >:(

Havuhung
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on March 21, 2014, 05:55:32 AM
Hi All,

Another question is: Why is the device from the company patents were sold to customers, it is fake and it does not work?   
I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 21, 2014, 08:44:19 AM
I think, they probarly getting energy from ground and phase and they bealeave, that here is free energy, so patented this divice. Because then they use energy from inverter, then get amplification not 100-200 times, but only about 6 times if also they good meshure, maybe and not one times. :D
-----
does it matter where the energy is coming from if it was lost energy which is being recovered? .. even if the output is only twice the input that can be a 50% saving .. if you could halve your heating bill would you be happy? .. yes me too.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on March 21, 2014, 10:13:46 AM
where is the rest of device ? only captor was inside the box ? this is only passive device  ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 12:08:12 PM
Hi for all
Don't give up with Barbosa replication .I'm trying too, but still nothing .

I new in this forum but not new in free  energy research .I carefully checked all  Mr Ariovaldo pictures and i found that transformer have 4 wire ends so it's not single wire with 600 turns and there is different size of wire check picture .
And here could be different winding 
Check this links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BprAyIU6n7k)
http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/ (http://www.videomix.cz/video/-y8GifVM6WA/)
May be here is the answer


You are sharp.
Yes, the coil had more than one connection, but my assumption was that is not so easy to winding by hand 660 turns in a toroid, so this was done in parts. It was connect in series anyway. Different sizes of wire? Yes, 60 turns with a 20 AWG magnetic wire….

Cheers

Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 12:12:19 PM
Some more pictures


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
One more picture..




Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 12:16:12 PM
where is the rest of device ? only captor was inside the box ? this is only passive device  ;)


Totally passive....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 12:58:04 PM
Hi ariovaldo,
Can you tell more about the schematic meter amperage was connected how?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 21, 2014, 01:05:29 PM
Mr ariovaldo are you planning to replicate the toroid the same way you find it, what is the best ground system do you recommend for this system?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 01:15:56 PM
Hi fer123,

This device it is not working, replicate to do?  :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on March 21, 2014, 01:22:42 PM
Hi Ariovaldo .  What's the max power of the device that i have seen open ? But it worked corrrectly before opens it  ?


Thank in advance  .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: reniukas on March 21, 2014, 01:37:19 PM
Hi
i found some links .It could be help full
http://maybaummagnetics.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/68-71-27-2.pdf
http://avstop.com/ac/apgeneral/magneticamplifiers.html
http://www.chooseindia.com/engineering/Understanding-Transformers.htm


Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 21, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
THIS IS INTERESTING .. replication of Kapanadze device ..  6th march 2014

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Russian_replications_of_Kapanadze_solid_state_circuit
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on March 21, 2014, 02:00:32 PM
Totally passive? Same as the Stepanov device (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs). Can anyone see more than two transformers and a capacitor connected to a disk saw via two power meters? I can't.

Taking a closer look at the carpenter transformers. The three-phase transformer (white) next to the three-phase capacitor (dusky pink) is not fully connected. It looks like a step-down transformer but the secondary low voltage high amps coils (thick white wires) are all open. Hence my guess is that the primary coils of that transformer are working as three-phase chokes in resonance with the three-phase capacitor next to it.

Then what's the second transformer for? Does this transformer perhaps provide high voltage? Just 2 to 5 KV, not real high voltage? So could it be important to have an electric field of a few KV 50Hz sine wave in resonance with the LC circuit formed by the chokes and the capacitors? Could it be that the cable 4 is the HV cable coming from the HV transformer and the cable 3 provides the primaries of that HV transformer with 380V? 

What could happen if an electrostatic field of one transformer (HV) is mixed with an electromagnetic field of a second transformer (LV)? Could the calculation »electromagnetic field times electrostatic field« be responsible for the generation of those strange observed ground currents?

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 02:23:46 PM
Mr ariovaldo are you planning to replicate the toroid the same way you find it, what is the best ground system do you recommend for this system?


Yes, I will do some more tests even knowing that in the original equipment didn't work with the original owner and didn't work with me. The original owner had a good grounding system but I didn't see how was the tests and connections. When I tried, my grounding was not good like they use to ask for.
The excuse that Barbosa gave to the original owner was the inductance in the primary was not right. The inductance was 0.21 Henries and was suppose to be between 0.6 and 0.8 Henries as I told before.


The grounding system that they asked for is 40 rods using 35 or 50 mm.
Area 30 X 50 meters.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on March 21, 2014, 02:28:08 PM
One more picture..




Cheers


Ariovaldo
Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on March 21, 2014, 02:32:59 PM
Thanks ariovaldo, I'll do something to replicate, I'am convince the system works (my opinion). ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 02:35:21 PM
Maybe they getting energy from cureent transformer, like Arkadiy Stepanov?


The ct is installed in the secondary loop and is connected direct in ampere meter...
strange, very strange.....


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 02:38:18 PM
Thanks ariovaldo, I'll do something to replicate, I'am convince the system works (my opinion). ;D


Good...I still have some hopes. Thumbs up!!!


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 04:11:50 PM
Dear totoalas,

Free energy idea : forest is already probably using it.  ;D ;D

Check this post of his   

http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg345908/#msg345908

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 04:16:50 PM
Hi Ariovaldo .  What's the max power of the device that i have seen open ? But it worked corrrectly before opens it  ?


Thank in advance  .


No, didn't work.
The device are suppose to be suitable for 13 KW.


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on March 21, 2014, 04:25:30 PM
Thank you , Ariovaldo .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 04:27:24 PM
@all,

Just an observation by me. There are some videos on youtube, that give a lot of insight to developing simple free energy devices, but either or they are :

1. Removed
2. Account removed
3. Private
4. Infringe copyright so removed
5. Not available in your country
6. 404

Is this deliberate suppression by the uploader and or his competitors ??

Any thoughts on this please,

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 05:02:18 PM
@ totoalas and all,

Technically this is not stealing from the grid.

The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM

Any comments.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 05:08:12 PM
@ totoalas and all,

Technically this is not stealing from the grid.

The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)

Any comments.

Best,


It didn't open...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 05:19:49 PM
@all,

Just an observation by me. There are some videos on youtube, that give a lot of insight to developing simple free energy devices, but either or they are :

1. Removed
2. Account removed
3. Private
4. Infringe copyright so removed
5. Not available in your country
6. 404

Is this deliberate suppression by the uploader and or his competitors ??

Any thoughts on this please,

Best,



Dear Ariovaldo, please refer to my quoted post.

Actually this is posted by     totoalas = imtotob = infini tum

You can request him to "desupress" the video and let everyone watch it.

All the best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 06:22:21 PM
@ totoalas and all,

Technically this is not stealing from the grid.

The grid neutral and ground connected to the 12 volt leads of a 12 to 120 volt Radio Shack transformer lighting a 120 volt bulb off 70 millivolts between the grounds! The bulb is apparently pulsing the transformer.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lwm0r0bk8dM)

Any comments.

Best,

Hi All,
I think this one: In the process of power transmission always leaks and energy loss are an accepted ratio between electricity suppliers. You somehow use energy which had been removed the power supply, this can not be attributed to you is theft on the grid! 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on March 21, 2014, 06:52:42 PM
Google


If I could remember what it was in 2012 ?  :-\  I had so many accidental working circuits which stopped working next day  :P  It was probably a mistake somewhere in the circuit.
I wonder if this captor device had anything except resin sealed captor ? Any strange motor or other switching device ?  ::)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 07:00:37 PM
Google


If I could remember what it was in 2012 ?  :-\  I had so many accidental working circuits which stopped working next day  :P  It was probably a mistake somewhere in the circuit.
I wonder if this captor device had anything except resin sealed captor ? Any strange motor or other switching device ?  ::)

Lol, did you make something based on controlled snowball effect and one kick multiplying to many bigger kicks ??
 ;)

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on March 21, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
Hi Google,
Video clips you can upload to a shared server to another?

Regards

Havuhung
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 21, 2014, 08:07:34 PM
 ;D
Good night !!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 21, 2014, 09:55:27 PM
@ ariovaldo,  Is the below picture that you posted a Burned Out Commercial Captor or a HOME MADE unit?


Thanks.
                                                                                       .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 21, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
@ ariovaldo,  Is the below picture that you posted a Burned Out Commercial Captor or a HOME MADE unit?


Thanks.
                                                                                       .


It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...


Please, check your PM.


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on March 21, 2014, 11:05:04 PM

It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...


Please, check your PM.


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Did you actually managed to replicate one unit you'reself ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 22, 2014, 02:15:23 AM
ariovaldo,  how this unit got burnt  ;D

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on March 22, 2014, 05:31:14 AM
The video is open now  Google
In the middle of my tests on Carlos schematic  some guys from .brAZIL  EXTEND THEIR HELP
BUT IT'S ONLY ME who stopped the test to concentrate on my solar assemblies to support my experiments
Start using mots  and pick up the pcs from stupifyi  and arriovaldo    the output can be had by vigor moron torrid technique

Guy luck
Totoalas  8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Google on March 22, 2014, 07:10:21 AM
Hello toto,

Thanks and congratulations for open sourcing your work to forum.

I would request to open all your videos on the imtotob channel so that we people can come up with improvements over it and since its open source, no one can expolit it to patent the idea.

As it would be an already existing artwork in public domain of internet.

Thanks again for your spirit of openness.

Best,
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 23, 2014, 01:16:41 AM
@ Ariovaldo

Can you please post more photos from the SIDES and the BOTTOM?

Thank you

=====================================================

It is a brand new unit that was taken apart...

Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 23, 2014, 01:17:43 AM
                                                                                           .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 23, 2014, 11:13:01 PM
@ ariovaldo

1.  Approximately, how much does that captor weigh?
2.  Which is the Ground Wire, the Green, Blue, or Black wire?

It looks like they wound the wire on a circular torroid core.

Thanks,
                                                                                       .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on March 23, 2014, 11:56:15 PM
My Guess is

Blue - neutral, Red - Active, Black - HC loop, Green - earth connection.

I hope ariovaldo can confirm that.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on March 24, 2014, 01:51:25 PM
Thank you Farmhand for the color code deciphering.


                                                           
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on March 28, 2014, 09:24:14 PM

@ Ariovaldo
I'm sorry but you can check whether the core of the toroidal transformer is earthed, if so then it could act as a capacitor between the 'primary winding for some fluctuations with the earth ... maybe ..

Leo48
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 28, 2014, 09:38:56 PM
@ Ariovaldo
I'm sorry but you can check whether the core of the toroidal transformer is earthed, if so then it could act as a capacitor between the 'primary winding for some fluctuations with the earth ... maybe ..

Leo48


It is not grounded....


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on March 29, 2014, 02:31:42 PM
this is INTERESTING READING ..

http://prezi.com/5u4p81mxrstx/no-lenz-but-resonance/
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on March 29, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
@Ariovaldo

Excuse me . One question . In picture 17  the ct is connected to an instrument (amperometer , etc ) or something else (coil , etc ) ?

Thanks in advance 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on March 31, 2014, 02:13:12 AM
I like to replicate this. I wonder if it is possible use the common 220-110 stepdown transformer?  ???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on March 31, 2014, 02:44:45 AM
@Ariovaldo

Excuse me . One question . In picture 17  the ct is connected to an instrument (amperometer , etc ) or something else (coil , etc ) ?

Thanks in advance
Ct is connect direct to the ampere meter.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mx1000 on March 31, 2014, 11:36:32 PM
Ct is connect direct to the ampere meter.
Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
With new parts ofcourse.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: truongcongduc4 on April 01, 2014, 05:26:48 PM
The red chemical is plastic, right? I think the equipment will not work in the air. Could you please analyze it?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on April 01, 2014, 05:42:49 PM
Did you actually managed to rebuilt one ?
With new parts ofcourse.


Yes. Didn't work..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on April 01, 2014, 05:57:04 PM

Yes. Didn't work..
Thanks for the result.....    8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on April 01, 2014, 09:43:57 PM

As you think I can not figure out how to work the captor of electrons, as far
 as I know the magnetic field does not attract electrons but also makes them
 deviate if they are on the move .... so I do not understand how it can work ... :o

Leo48
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on April 02, 2014, 04:38:42 AM
@totoalas
Did u use copper wire as thick as the thumb? I think if we follow exactly what is in the patent we can replicate it. Maybe fine wires cant draw electrons from the earth.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on April 02, 2014, 09:28:02 AM
The red chemical is plastic, right? I think the equipment will not work in the air. Could you please analyze it?
@truongcongduc4,
Epoxy resin filled into the device, only with the intention of making it difficult for those who want to find out which device structure how! or hide the details in it! ;D   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on April 02, 2014, 01:21:23 PM
@totoalas
Did u use copper wire as thick as the thumb? I think if we follow exactly what is in the patent we can replicate it. Maybe fine wires cant draw electrons from the earth.
I use 6mm fine stranded    for mot  i will use mm50mm dia   battery cable same qs urge thumb  for high current
I think it's not the fine wires but the induction  on the core  plus earth  will boost the output

In my e core with ring magnet in the center  i use the hv from ignition coil to connect to the e core with and an extra coil in the primary to boost the mac from ignition137 to boost
Mac from 137 to boost340 v a.c.   
From erfinder   he says
Recover the recovered energy back to primary  to double kick  which i did with ignition coi

A gap surely help   a spark gap using hv arc instead of relay   
Now try that simple  test     
Capture the v from the loop and an1 wire from the earth  and let us know urge result 8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: blaze_power on April 19, 2014, 05:46:29 PM
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: AquariuZ on April 19, 2014, 07:13:46 PM
1) Open a NEW thread in the appropriate section instead of spamming threads
2) Demonstrate your technology in schematics and video
3) Answer the skeptics and provide solid evidence of your technology

Then you may have a chance you will get some attention.

From what I can see this is nothing but an elaborate hoax. e-bank.si pffff. Really?


Hello gentlemen (and ladies)

Just to let you know that we have made extensive progress at Blaze Power and we have also landed a new contract for EUR 25 million to construct a 100MW power plant using FREE Energy technology which "they" said was impossible but we actually building several plants in Africa both large and small and you are FREE to VERIFY any and all of the facts which I aver here. I want to congratulate you all on the remarkable work you are doing and trying to do however I stress that we have perfected the coil design (Mark 2) and the original energy loop cycle design (Mark 1). We also stress that it is not the laws of physics that are the problem but the blasphemous interpretation of the laws of physics for "personal" and "corporate" gain and greed there are MANY variables that are DELIBERATELY omitted to lull us into the belief that free energy is impossible. As you can see on the contract we are helping get FREE energy where it is needed most i.e Africa. ALSO we have good news Blaze Power is scheduled for an IPO thus for all those that complained about the steep Billion EURO license prices to invest in this technology we want to let you know that you can now buy shares in the Blaze Power Corporation for as little as EUR 1,000.00 and for all those that are clever I need not remind you that like Google and Microsoft all the Million dollar shareholders of today (Warren Buffet included) at the current rate now bought their shares for a couple of thousand dollars before or at the IPO thus gentlemen YOU ALL understand the value of FREE energy thus DO NOT waste time. We are working with an offshore bank that understands "Our common enemy" i.e Big Energy and the "Big" governments that promote their interests thus to invest in this future technology and receive a FREE energy generator in the process with an OPEN LICENSE because we believe that Energy is FREE otherwise we would not be on this forum now would we? To invest not only in your future but the future of your kids and future generations as well as the planet visit http://www.e-bank.si they will even accept BitCoins for your added peace of mind and anonymity and YOUR PRIVACY is their main concern. And for all those that have just joined the thread you can read about the FREE energy breakthrough at http://www.blaze.technology or you can visit the public awareness website at http://www.blaze-power.org where you will also find further information on the pre-launch share buy we wish you all the best of luck and a bright future. Again accept my apologies for the long post but as usual I always have much to say

Best regards

Blaze Power
http://www.blaze-power.org
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MenofFather on April 19, 2014, 07:20:29 PM
Hello gentlemen (and ladies)

Just to let you know that we have made extensive progress at Blaze Power and we have also landed a new contract for EUR 25 million to construct a 100MW power plant using FREE Energy technology which "they" said was impossible but we actually building several plants in Africa both large and small and you are FREE to VERIFY any and all of the facts which I aver here. I want to congratulate you all on the remarkable work you are doing and trying to do however I stress that we have perfected the coil design (Mark 2) and the original energy loop cycle design (Mark 1). We also stress that it is not the laws of physics that are the problem but the blasphemous interpretation of the laws of physics for "personal" and "corporate" gain and greed there are MANY variables that are DELIBERATELY omitted to lull us into the belief that free energy is impossible. As you can see on the contract we are helping get FREE energy where it is needed most i.e Africa. ALSO we have good news Blaze Power is scheduled for an IPO thus for all those that complained about the steep Billion EURO license prices to invest in this technology we want to let you know that you can now buy shares in the Blaze Power Corporation for as little as EUR 1,000.00 and for all those that are clever I need not remind you that like Google and Microsoft all the Million dollar shareholders of today (Warren Buffet included) at the current rate now bought their shares for a couple of thousand dollars before or at the IPO thus gentlemen YOU ALL understand the value of FREE energy thus DO NOT waste time. We are working with an offshore bank that understands "Our common enemy" i.e Big Energy and the "Big" governments that promote their interests thus to invest in this future technology and receive a FREE energy generator in the process with an OPEN LICENSE because we believe that Energy is FREE otherwise we would not be on this forum now would we? To invest not only in your future but the future of your kids and future generations as well as the planet visit http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si) they will even accept BitCoins for your added peace of mind and anonymity and YOUR PRIVACY is their main concern. And for all those that have just joined the thread you can read about the FREE energy breakthrough at http://www.blaze.technology (http://www.blaze.technology) or you can visit the public awareness website at http://www.blaze-power.org (http://www.blaze-power.org) where you will also find further information on the pre-launch share buy we wish you all the best of luck and a bright future. Again accept my apologies for the long post but as usual I always have much to say

Best regards

Blaze Power
http://www.blaze-power.org (http://www.blaze-power.org)
If is you technolagy and you don't want be egoistic, then you must share you knowlege.  ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on April 20, 2014, 04:37:43 AM
This site is for share information, can you share your coil design, like you toll before is for better result share it, this what the site is all about, thanks anyway, hope if you are really  whit this invention you will help all of us, this is another proof the barbosa leal generation works. Good luck everybody.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on April 20, 2014, 02:14:59 PM
Hello blaze_power,

I think, not ambition a few kilowatts free device just a few hundred watts really working for poor people really needed practical energy in their lives! You can do this???

Regards

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: blaze_power on April 20, 2014, 03:05:25 PM
Firstly I will respond to the negative comments about Spam. My dear friend I am not here for YOUR AMUSEMENT but for the good of ALL MANKIND thus I am not interested in your opinion and methodology of what you "assume" should be the right manner to conduct myself in the forum. The purpose of a forum is for like minds to deliberate and find common ground. This is an active forum pursuing something that we have ALREADY perfected and thus the right stage for my comments. Further unlike you I don't tinker in a shed worrying about conspiracies and gaining a volt or two. Searching for FREE energy has ACTUALLY cost me over $2million USD and at times my freedom to move the proof is on the website http://www.blaze-power.org do something for once besides slander and displaying your ignorance. As for the other posts that I should share my knowledge I have done just that and including MY OWN WALLET hence the IPO at http://www.e-bank.si another rebel revolutionary ant-monopoly banking power house and every subscriber gets an ACTUAL Free 5.5KW FREE Energy generator NOT PLANS! Who in the FREE energy community has invested as much as I have MY OWN MONEY at that and NO GRANTS from ANYONE! Not to mention what these CIA morons stole from me over $2million USD all documented see the website! I am not your regular paranoid I am a man of sound integrity with MY OWN means I am not begging ANYONE for ANYTHING I seek ONLY for the COMMON good. I also posted this below elsewhere it should help answer most of your questions otherwise refer to the site

Listen you CIA and NSA MISFITS that trawl these forums & stole $2million USD from me in broad daylight! All the proof is on the website my name is Kevin Blaze unlike you I DON'T HIDE at Langley behind a bunch of computers using MITM (Man In The Middle Hacks) I am out in the open and the process on my site is simple you are FREE to call the African governments in question INCLUDING their intelligence and presidential envoys that witnessed history you guys know that FREE energy exists and that is what you experiment with at Area 51 NOT ALIENS (That is just your propaganda cover) and that is why you get paid to come to these forums and post negative comments. From your spying you know the weaknesses of those you attack and that is what you use to fight your propaganda wars like the EUR 25 million contract we have now with the African Country in quo ONLY the CIA would know that it is in the implementation phase from you bugging my internet connection and phones with your cronie 3rd world government buddies that you entice with your dirty dollars because IT IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE on any of our sites as to the status of construction and funny enough you would query it here (You are getting sloppy). We know the tactic forum people Google "Economic Hitman" and you will understand how these criminal CIA agents work. They have moles in EVERY ENERGY strategic government office in EVERY nation around the globe but Mr Langley we have a work around the presidents of these nations CANNOT be bought and your little buddy in the ministry of energy will be fired shortly (Yes I know he is one of yours) well I taught you how to secure your Langley computers after Edward Snowden and you can see all AC/DC tricks coming to light now where do you think the inspiration is coming from? And coincidentally AFTER my successful demo! You stole $2million from me and I am not afraid of you. I have openly declared a righteous legal war against you thus UNTIL someone PROVES ME WRONG that our devices don't work I suggest you shut your mouth because ANYONE with ANY sense knows that accusation WITHOUT basis is SLANDER & IGNORANCE this is the basis of ANY democracy which invokes itself as "Innocent UNTIL proven guilty" I have demonstrated PROOF to the world WHAT RIGHT OR EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE to DARE discredit me with your empty FACTLESS & BASELESS talk? COME HERE for a FREE demonstration WITH ALL YOUR TEST GEAR and if this DOES NOT WORK THEN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT to talk. Until then you are just a disrespectful individual that just enjoys insulting other people to build your OWN ego. Just as I challenged the DOJ in GODD LAW and exposed them for the legal INCOMPETENTS that they are I also CHALLENGE YOU to COME HERE and prove that my machine DOES NOT WORK. I WILL PERSONALLY NOT CHARGE YOU ESCROW just come here to my island together with a VERIFIED MODERATOR from this forum and let us SHUT EVERYONE UP once and for all INCLUDING those thieves at the DOJ Department Of Justice as well as the CIA & NSA. For ALL true Christian believers 666 form revelations has a uncanny coincidence with USD in terms of the letters UNITED (6) STATES (6) DOLLARS (6) mark of the beast THAT CORRESPONDS TO HIS NAME i.e UNITED STATES (The world's LARGEST consumer of OIL). Keep an open mind people I have NOTHING against America I ONLY advocate TRUTH and why did they steal from me then if they are so righteous? Liberty Reserve was NEVER the target if it was then a claims process would be open by now and Liberty Reserve closes AFTER the $2million goes through my LR account coincidence? I don't think so 10 years Katz living in Brooklyn nothing done to him until then ha ha ha. Blaze Power WAS the target and we have proven it. Now Mr CIA web dis-informer go tell the director at Langley that KB is still a problem for the agency and let me die of an aneurism or have an unfortunate accident since I drive my cars like a lunatic then let it be testament to the world like the Hydrogen free power car engineer you murdered. You criminals are the ones that need to be locked up deceiving the world for your own profit, polluting the sea you murdered COUNTLESS people in Nagasaki ONE Bomb was enough to end the war if it really was about Pearl harbour why did they drop 2. As the bible states YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORKS, do grapes grow on thorn trees? I rest my case let the jury deliberate! ;)

NB*: Why is it ALL FREE Energy inventors in the media are scammers? Is it because scammers like to use FREE energy as a conduit to scams or is it because there is a hidden vendetta against anyone that DARES uncover this TABOO of free energy. Food for thought people.........Blaze Power TRUE POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

Tip of the Day: Close your bank account today and open a Bitcoin account and be YOUR OWN BANK and weaken global dominance on oil and financial markets and empower YOURSELVES!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on April 20, 2014, 04:30:20 PM
  We need to see documented proof of operation, not more socio-political lectures. Where is your proof???
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: blaze_power on April 20, 2014, 05:26:51 PM
NickZ I have NOTHING TO PROVE to YOU or ANYONE trust me look at my sites ask all those that know me including the CIA misfits that spy on me on my island question to you is would they do that and steal $2million USD from me and shut down Liberty Reserve THE WHOLE COMPANY if I do not have what I say I have? I am not one to be suckered by that what proof have you got reverse psychology BS trust me I am way above your pay grade literally and mentally (No offense just the facts). I am only here to help those that REALLY want to be helped not ho hum skeptics that want to discredit for profit. And DON'T tell me political BS because ALL I have stated is TRUTH & FACT thus UNLESS you have FACTS to contradict my statements DO NOT decide for the community what is political BS and what is NOT just stick to your point because ANYTHING on the contrary is a PERSONAL ATTACK which last time I checked is AGAINST FORUM RULES, but that's not the point. You see posting proof here ONLY allows people like you to use it as a PROPAGANDA PLATFORM to make people like myself look stupid to the community with your second hand knowledge of what you dub the "Laws of physics". First problem is that THESE so called "Laws" are not ACTUALLY LAWS because these are "consensus" agreed observations of certain individuals in history that lived at a time when technology and advanced electronics did not exist and their OBSERVATIONS are not WITHOUT VARIABLE. Today you have mistakenly interpreted these observations as DE FACTO doctrine or "Laws" as you most eloquently put it and this is the reason why you continue to stumble YOU NEED TO WIPE THE SLATE CLEAN and be original NOT A Doctrine follower remember you can only pour 2 liters into a 2 liter bottle NOTHING MORE so if you start your research within the boundaries of the so called "laws of physics" how then will you create what those so called laws deem to be impossible? You are defeated BEFORE you even start. Jesus yet wisdom is vindicated by her own effect. Amen to that! I DO NOT give ELECTRONIC proof but PHYSICAL proof I have offered a VERIFIED forum moderator a FREE demonstration on my island ANYTIME that's my proof when you are ready prove who you are and come for a FREE demo ZERO COST FREE comprende? Oh and I am also giving away FREE 5.5KW FREE energy generators just to spite the CIA if you think I am out for profit I am SELF funded and that is TRUE POWER TO THE PEOPLE! http://www.blaze-power.org Click on "Get Involved" and scroll to Option 3 to get your very own PHYSICAL Generator NOT PLANS and that is more than proof though I have nothing to PROVE to you or ANYONE because I DID NOT come here to PROVE but to help people and it is common cause that help is only given to those that need it and from what I can see from your comments that excludes you! Good Day NickZ & don't poke let the jury decide what are you afraid of?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on April 20, 2014, 06:29:52 PM
  We ask for proof of operation of your device, and get back more political BS. 
This is an OPEN SOURCE FORUM,   NOT for advertisement of your product. Which so far, sound like SPAM to us.
  So, don't tell me what I can say, or can't say. I will do as I please, you are free to do as you like.
  If you are not going to post any proof, you are likely to get nowhere, with us here.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on April 20, 2014, 07:07:12 PM
Self-funded? FREE generator give-away? Yeah.... right. Here's what the website says:

Quote
OPTION 3 (Share Buy in from only EUR 1,000.00)
 
For a LIMITED time only we are selling shares in the company offshore through a bank that we believe has the muscle and attitude to deal with our many detractors and protect your investments. The bank is run by fully competent lawyers and the most upright and trustworthy and above all credible individuals of the most impeccable integrity. Visit http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si) and click on "Invest in FREE energy today" then follow instructions onscreen. BitCoin as the Blaze Power certified new global money is also accepted for it puts the power in the right hands that of the individual. You will also receive a FREE Energy generator rated at 5.5KW for your home with every share buy worth EUR 1,000.00 (Or currency equivalent) or more. This means your home will be grid power free meaning you will have FREE electricity in your home. This is testament to the fact that we are for the people and for saving the planet not for profit as you will see we have many contracts now in Africa worth billions and counting and we are even financing cash strapped governments at 0% interest and low deposits to pay true to our ethos. Find more information on the bank website http://www.e-bank.si (http://www.e-bank.si)
 
Take cognisance of the fact that with Blaze Power Plants the returns on investment are immediate because once the Power Unit is started and "Full Optimum Operational Threshold" (the "FOOT") is achieved which takes under 20 minutes or less depending on the size of the installation. The machine continues generating electricity WITHOUT need for fuel neither a drive system, sun, water, steam, coal or uranium nor production of ANY waste in the process whatsoever. This device runs itself and will continue to do so for 200 years+ thus the ONLY overhead is the initial principal and then you have FREE energy running forever and thus return after return everyday for 200 years. This then effectively means that Blaze Power Plants have absolutely ZERO running costs up until the Power enters the national grid which then after becomes the responsibility of the owner of the grid with ZERO cost to the Energy Producer utilising the Blaze Power Reactor(s).

Good luck getting your FREE free energy generator! LOL!

Kevin Blaze won't even +pretend+ to give you any proof of his assertions and claims!


Watch. Instead of supporting his claims with data and evidence, verifiable and OPEN SOURCED.... he will just continue to insult and make up paranoid delusions about his critics and people who expect proof of "free energy" claims.




Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on April 20, 2014, 07:22:13 PM
   Haven't we heard this all before?...
   
   "For a LIMITED time only we are selling shares in the company offshore through a bank that we believe has the muscle and attitude to deal with our many detractors and protect your investments.|"

  Right!
  Good luck then.... Are You going to hit up the other forums as well?   No need to answer that.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on April 27, 2014, 01:25:18 PM

I got wait 3 or 4 more weeks before to release what I know about this equipment. This waiting time is because they have scheduled a thirty part test that will be conducted by Universidade de Campinas, Brazil and I would like to see the results.

Are there any results yet? I would like to see those results too. ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 04:35:10 PM
Are there any results yet? I would like to see those results too. ;)
No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....
Check this schematics....

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on May 01, 2014, 08:55:53 AM
No good results at all. Probably I'm missing something.....
Check this schematics....
http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631 (http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg400631/#msg400631)
Maybe related tp the pdf file
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: qwekw on May 04, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
like this
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on May 04, 2014, 02:16:20 PM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.

If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).  This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.

They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.

However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL


---->   A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
                                                                                                                                        .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on May 04, 2014, 03:23:09 PM
Hello mr, according with your conclusion how you polarized ground wire to become neutral and extract  12.1kw electricity? Thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on May 04, 2014, 05:40:09 PM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.

If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).  This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.

They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.

However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL


---->   A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
                                                                                                                                        .
Hi All,
This can happen with the right kind of old electrical kWh meters. But with a new type of meter, power consumption devices in your home, you are not connected to the neutral wire phase, kWh meter is still running!!!
Perhaps the kWh meter in Brazil are a bit above cons. Well the evidence is convincing: They suggest you to perform multiple grounding rods in your home area!!!

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on May 07, 2014, 11:55:57 AM
I tried to replicate this using 220-110 volt stepdown transformer. I plugged the transformer to the outlet then i put the tester probe to the transformer output. It read the normal 110v but when i add the wire to one of the output of the transformer connected to the ground, the voltage suddenly goes up to 150v and the transformer heats up very rapidly. Its like it shorted out so i discontinued the experiment. How is it shorted out when im using an isolation transformer?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on May 07, 2014, 12:29:55 PM
Hi Neo-X,
Transformer 220/110 of you are testing; What happened that you mentioned above, may be between the primary winding and a secondary winding insulating layer of paper had no good! . .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on May 07, 2014, 12:45:07 PM
Hi Neo-X,
Transformer 220/110 of you are testing; What happened that you mentioned above, may be between the primary winding and a secondary winding insulating layer of paper had no good! . .

I dont know how it happen. I was thinking the transformer is not really an isolation but a stepdown auto transformer.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on May 07, 2014, 01:18:34 PM
Hi Neo-X,
It is an auto stepdown transformer, you draw a wiring diagram  transformer, how to connect the ground wire from the transformer  you've done? 'll see why Increasing voltage 110 up! . .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on May 07, 2014, 02:34:23 PM
Heres the circuit...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on May 07, 2014, 03:33:31 PM
Hi Neo-X,
Maybe you have the wrong wiring is like this! . .
The source 220v, hot wire is at the top of the picture and the neutral wire at the bottom of the picture.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on May 08, 2014, 02:33:45 AM
Hi Neo-X,
Maybe you have the wrong wiring is like this! . .
The source 220v, hot wire is at the top of the picture and the neutral wire at the bottom of the picture.

I test the primary and secondary with multi tester if there is a connection between two and there is current flow so meaning it was really an auto transformer. Luckily i put the ground wire to the top end of the transformer if its on the other end it will explode high a huge spark.  ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on May 30, 2014, 01:42:01 AM
Ok guys, as you know I have a video in YouTube showing my finds in the Barbosa device. Its a very simple video and even getting some "different" results, I stopped my tests to work in others projects..
Check my video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg)


Yesterday, Carlos my friend from Brazil, send me the link about one replication made by Nenad Savic using what my schematics and looks like that he got a "good results"

Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\)
Today, he put another video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8)


Cheers
Ariovaldo









Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on May 30, 2014, 04:13:19 AM
Hi All,
It is wrong to consider more about some of the meters, when measured on the transformer and the cable loop, the secondary winding current is when we have high ambient magnetic field and they have not been covered by metal shielding, the magnetic fields acting on the meter sensor measurement errors caused by showing results! . .                   ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on May 30, 2014, 05:02:32 AM
Thanks ariovaldo, obrigado to carlos, keep us up to day.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ALTECHLAB on May 30, 2014, 05:34:58 PM
We do some the same projects and we have some results even...it's mean the "terra effect" exist...Barbosa model is good enough for start up but need some upgrade.
Details by web contacts: www.altechlaboratory.com
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 03, 2014, 07:04:21 PM
ariovaldo, display the schema of your experiment, thanks in advance
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on June 03, 2014, 08:16:26 PM
  Nenad Savic shows a Barboza replication having a 48watt input, and 2100watt output.
  Anyone that can speak and write his language please invite him to come to this thread and tell us more about his circuit. Please...
 Edit: I had not seen that the links had already been posted.
 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 03, 2014, 08:25:35 PM
  Nenad Savic shows a Barboza replication having a 48watt input, and 2100watt output.
  Anyone that can speak and write his language please invite him to come to this thread and tell us more about his circuit. Please...
 
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8
aaaa, yes, yes, in the video the Serb says that has repeated the scheme provided by ariovaldo :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 03, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.

If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).  This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.

They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter.

However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.
The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL

---->   A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic (see 3 posts above).
                                                                                                                                        .

There is an easy way to see if the neutral wire is being bypasses and the grid meter fooled. Simply use an in-line safety
switch/residual current device (RCD), out of the socket being used, I did and with the active wire connected through the device
and returning the current through the ground the safety switch tripped immediately because a mismatch of current was detected
between the active and neutral lines back from the socket.

If the house is not fitted with any safety switch device it is possible to bypass the meter, however doing anything with live grid
power without a safety switch fitted to the house or without using an inline safety switch is madness.

Without seeing an in line safety switch (and test tripped) we have noway to know if there is one being used.

This is what one looks like but a single socket one can be had for about $20.00 that's a cheap second chance at life.
http://www.arlec.com.au/viewProduct.aspx?productcode=PB96&catalogueID=2&parentCatalogueID=2

..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 04, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
There is an easy way to see if the neutral wire is being bypasses and the grid meter fooled. Simply use an in-line safety
switch/residual current device (RCD), out of the socket being used, I did and with the active wire connected through the device
and returning the current through the ground the safety switch tripped immediately because a mismatch of current was detected
between the active and neutral lines back from the socket.

If the house is not fitted with any safety switch device it is possible to bypass the meter, however doing anything with live grid
power without a safety switch fitted to the house or without using an inline safety switch is madness.

Without seeing an in line safety switch (and test tripped) we have noway to know if there is one being used.

This is what one looks like but a single socket one can be had for about $20.00 that's a cheap second chance at life.
http://www.arlec.com.au/viewProduct.aspx?productcode=PB96&catalogueID=2&parentCatalogueID=2

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not, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 04, 2014, 12:51:57 AM
not, you are wrong!, in a first video, white power cord is designed for a 2.5A, he is not calculated for 2.3KW!

I don't understand your post. What does the white power cord's designed power rating and "he is not calculating for 2.3 kW"
have to do with weather or not he's using a safety switch ?

Is he using a safety switch or RCD ? You tell me and show me your reasoning.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 04, 2014, 01:36:02 AM
I don't understand your post. What does the white power cord's designed power rating and "he is not calculating for 2.3 kW"
have to do with weather or not he's using a safety switch ?

Is he using a safety switch or RCD ? You tell me and show me your reasoning.

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well Farmhand, but let's point out that this white power cord may miss 2.5A max., This cable can not misses 10.45A (for 2.3KW), if actually the output is powered directly from the phase trough grounding
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on June 04, 2014, 02:06:12 AM
He is talking from video replication the power cord will not resist 2.3 kw, the current is coming from earth.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on June 04, 2014, 02:09:15 AM
This topic will be solve if somebody show this system from battery and power inverter.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 04, 2014, 02:38:03 AM
This topic will be solve if somebody show this system from battery and power inverter.
Of course, if supplied with power from a battery (through power inverter), could not be fraud, because it does not use the phase of grid
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on June 04, 2014, 02:48:30 AM
Last night i made another replication attempt of this. This time im ensured that i use isolation transformer and i follow the patent of barbosa exactly but still i cant detect any voltage and current in the output. Then i discover that one of our power line is grounded outside near in the post when i test its voltage it gives 225 volts when i connect one of the outlet to the multi tester and to the ground. I test the outlet voltage and it gives only 220 volts. Now why it has an excess of 5 volts? Is it possible that the ground give extra voltage? What if i increase the frequency will the ground give more voltage like teslacoil?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 04, 2014, 04:57:04 AM
here's the scheme on a Serb, from video on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg), sorry for ugliest drawing, but I could not on a better :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on June 04, 2014, 07:16:51 AM
    How I wish that the above diagram were true and that it's that easy to implement. But I find it hard to believe...
  Maybe one of us can replicate it, and obtain the same results as Mr. Savic.
  Possibly a tv yoke can be used instead of the big toroid core.

   Hopefully he will continue on with this, get rid of the basket, clean up the connection wires and connect more bulbs to show what more it can actually do. Who knows what potential it really has.
   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: geee07 on June 04, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
I think, that the primary is not so normal, if you look closer you see that the transformer windings are intersected clock and counter clock direction.  ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: geee07 on June 04, 2014, 12:45:55 PM
This is very interesting:

prezi.com/5u4p81mxrstx/no-lenz-but-resonance/

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on June 05, 2014, 07:39:27 PM
iS THE BROWN WIRE lIVE   AND BLUE  nEUTRAL   ???   THANKS
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tadejstenta on June 05, 2014, 09:04:37 PM
In Serbia is standard brown/black=live, blue= neutral, yellow=ground.


IN comments profesor is talking something about you must know tesla fizic and mathematic for calculate and bringing  resonance in several stages.   (IMHO turns and thicknes of wires)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 05, 2014, 09:31:27 PM
Good question Totoalas, The convention in Australia is live-brown, neutral blue, earth green, but I think the drawing is color coded wrong.
In this case it is especially important to be clear which wire is which. If people wire up their own cables it would be easy to wire them
up however and in a lot of cases it might work ok until death or problems occur if the brown is wired as neutral in the plug and
connected as live in the device.  Here looking at a socket the left lead is the live and the right the neutral, then looking at a plug
about to be inserted the same rule applies but if we look at the plug from the pins side the right one is live and the left one is neutral.

Having said that if the device output is neutral and Earth there would be little to no potential difference to cause current as the
neutral is connected to the ground, if not it is hardly "neutral".  The possibility that leaves, is that the output wires consists of a
connection through to the live wire of the grid and the ground wire which is connected to the neutral wire on the other side of the
meter/fuse box.

 Now if a current can be maintained between the live wire and the ground, the entire system is extremely dangerous as is any
device connected to the house wiring system also potentially dangerous.. It means there is no residual current device or safety
switch as some call them, the RCD/safety switch will shut off current if a mismatch of current between live and neutral occurs over
the rated 30 mA or so.

Now if the energy meter is seeing only 50 Watts or so at 240 volts then that's 0.208 amps, if any difference of current over 30 mA
is detected between the live and neutral lines then the RCD/safety switch will trip to save lives, if one is fitted. If no RCD/safety
switch is fitted I suggest getting one fitted.

The neutral wire should be held at or about ground potential, so there should be no possibility of any currents flowing between it
and the Earth, the only other possibility is that the live is using the ground as a return and bypassing the meter.

A 2.5 amp rated cable can take significantly more current than 2.5 amps for some time. The cable containing the wires for my
vacuum rated at 2000 Watts is quite small, the cable gets warm, very warm with use, it pulls 8.3 amps at 240 volts.

Along with any claim there should be clear information about the actual wiring of the device ( with clear labeled drawing ).


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Looking at the video of the guy squatting down near the grid connected device with boiling water and connections everywhere,
then seeing him nearly fall over made me wonder how long he will live if he continues to experiment in that way.

Safety switches save lives. We can't use stuff if our body is dead. It also upsets loved ones and others if people die in silly ways.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: x_name41 on June 05, 2014, 10:25:24 PM
yes, better would be if the Serb had made measurements of the current on the input with current clamp :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on June 05, 2014, 10:35:33 PM
Thanks Farmhand for the SAFETY First   reminder//////
in 66 KV system Im working on,  the step down transformer  has 3  66 kv / 11 kv   each phase
and 3 separate 11 KV Neutral  transformers   the size half of a car  directly burried and connected to ground
Altechlabs circuit using two input frequencies on both ends of a bifilar coil  and placed on top of a bifilar coil out to step diode rectifier  parallel with cap  i think is like a jln induction cooker experiment
My experiment with aluminum foil wrapped supply cord on an a/c 1 hp 220 v ac 50 hx load  has some effect on the digital power meter   one cycle is 58 seconds without foil  and 157 seconds with  foil.....  just sharing....

totoalas
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on June 11, 2014, 11:05:48 PM
Other video from nenad.  :)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on June 12, 2014, 02:00:03 AM
Other video from nenad.  :)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KGWNQJO-go)
A Google translation from one of his video's says: " This is a demonstration of my patent examination work.
My electron pump from the planet takes the free electrons and is powered by six bulbs. Input power to the device is 20W and 410W output, ratio of output power to input power to the device is 20 times. Ipitivanje performed electrical engineer prof.Emil Peić"
It looks like he has a replication of Barbosa and Leal's concept.   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: jaypal on June 13, 2014, 08:43:38 AM
Hi Guys,

Can anyone share all the images posted by Mr.Ariovaldo of Electron capture assembly. Looks like some interested thing i found &  i can disclose once it's confirmed by looking at all the images.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: jaypal on June 13, 2014, 08:47:47 AM
check out 3 layers wound of toroidal core . More explanation in detail once i view the images. Request guys to share image
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: c.pinheiro on June 13, 2014, 05:26:33 PM
I did some tests trying to emulate the barbosa device. This device, under my tests, did not generate more energy than it spends.
When doing the measures, please check the phase current, because this device in getting the current from the grid ( input phase wire ) and sending the current to earth. The neutral current from input is almost zero, than if you get the wattmeter measuring the current from neutral, you will measure a huge gain. This device appears be fooling the wattmeter, Savic needs to publish the current from phase, not from a wattmeter that we don't know how works.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on June 14, 2014, 11:51:48 AM
Prof Nenad Savic has removed all Barbosa's video ........
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on June 14, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
this is the greyscale which is a little easier, but really gives very little new.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: xhacks on June 14, 2014, 02:07:06 PM
Can someone upload Nenad Savic's videos to another place, please.


Cheers,
Adrian
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on June 17, 2014, 08:28:37 PM
This is the latest news I received from my contact in Brazil about the Captor progress ..  9th May 2014
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They are negotiating a deal with investors outside Brazil. Yesterday i had a long talk with the Brazilian middleman of this, but he is under a NDA... Anyway those investors have intentions to open the technology very close of a Open Source style.
Much will happen until the end of this year... And next year it is absolutely certain that we will have here at the www.fisl.org.br a Captor powering a portion of the event.
Tomorrow we will have the lecture of Sterling Allan, you can find the schedule at

http://papers.softwarelivre.org/papers_ng/public/new_grid?day=7

Today will happen a lecture about Barbosa technology but it will be in Portuguese.

Out live streaming are at

http://softwarelivre.org/fisl15/ao-vivo

Best
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: xhacks on June 25, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 25, 2014, 05:11:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4

That's a good video showing exactly whats going on, note he mentions he had to bypass the RCD (safety switch) because it kept tripping open.

At the end we clearly see the grid is supplying 2.4 amps from the active (phase) wire and that current is caused to pass through
the ground back to where the neutral is connected to the ground stake near the fuse/meter box, thus bypassing the measuring
arrangement in the meter and fooling it. Weather or not the meter on the house is being fooled is neither here nor there, if t is
fooling the house meter the power is being stolen, if it isn't fooling the house meter then the power is being paid for.

Seeing the around 80 volt drop on the load when the current is forced through the ground makes sense and someone with the
ability could determine the ground resistance that way maybe.

Maybe someone with knowledge of exactly how a meter box is wired could make a drawing to show the current loop in the
"captor" mode and in the usual mode of power use.

Bypassing the RCD could be very dangerous, that is why they exist, many people died so a safety fix was needed. Here they are mandatory.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on June 25, 2014, 07:57:56 PM
I also enjoyed the video but I don't remember any reference anywhere to the A/C-D/C  conversion as in the Captor units? .. I must assume that the coils and connections have been replicated, but why did Leal and Barbosa include a/c-d/c converters and a magnetic pulse sensor unit if they aren't necessary?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 26, 2014, 12:19:53 AM
It would be necessary for one reason because of the huge voltage drop, he isn't getting 240 volts AC powering the hair dryer,
he's getting way under 200 volts and a lot of household appliances would reject that. SO the drop could be fixed by using a AC to
DC converter then converting back to AC at the proper voltage. The voltage drop makes the 160-180 volts almost unusable for a
lot of things.

Seeing the huge voltage drop we can clearly see that the arrangement is very inefficient, the voltage drop represents a big loss of
power due to the ground resistance.

Basically if the house meter is fooled (which is the goal of the device) then power is being stolen and it is being used very inefficiently.
More or less the missing voltage is consumed by the ground resistance.

Going by the drawings in the patent the only drawing that works is the one with the active grid line directly connected to the High
Current loop
and it is obvious what the result of that would be. Which is the voltage across the load is the potential between the
active grid wire and the ground, the ground taking the place of the neutral line (return line), this is how the meters cannot
measure the power because there is no return current through the meter.

EDIT: The system can never operate in that iteration with a working RCD (safety switch) in place and that is hard evidence that
the entire thing is a scam.

Trying to say the output is free from the ground is ridiculous. The power is supplied by the grid and the meters are bypassed.

My own experiments showed this if you looked.

I'll consider the device valid if the current from the active line does not feed the load with a return through the ground.

Barbosa and Leal should be in Jail as well if they are in fact trying to develop and distribute for use a system that bypasses the
meters, and most importantly bypasses the RCD (safety switch), because people will die. And they will be to blame if their device
is the cause of a death.

Think about it, a Death, a persons life cut short due to a knowingly dangerous device. Imagine it to be your own much loved relative.

Unless we are electricians and trained with an assistant present we should not be messing with the grid power at all
behind the socket.

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Many electricians do work alone on dangerous power systems, but they should take all the proper precautions. If I was an
electrician I would feel better if I had an assistant working with me in case I was rendered unconscious.

Being a boilermaker (metal fabricator) I run the risk of high current electrocution as well as other things that could render me
unconscious if care and precautions are not taken. I refuse to work in potentially dangerous situations without an assistant, an
apprentice with first aid training or an observer with first aid training. As with many other industrial occupations people get killed
and maimed, so we undergo a lot of on the job safety training and are instructed in electricity basics as apprentices in college,
those of us that took notice learned a bit about the dangers of electricity and how it can do odd things.

ie, arc drift in DC arc welding. For years I spent a good portion of the day watching an arc through a lens and dealing with power
cables around rail wagons ect. and around very dangerous stuff, I've seen people get electrocuted and have been electrocuted
myself more than once by 240 volts from the grid, even if it doesn't kill you it will do damage, I've also been electrocuted by
hundreds of amps output arc welders at low voltage with sweat from working as a conduction aid. Low voltage high current
electrocution is slow and I felt myself fading to black before falling and luckily pulling the Earth cable from the job. This happened
over 20 years ago. Safety is now much better mostly because of people demanding it because of seeing people harmed or
maimed. People cut off fingers and do all kinds of things.  :o

I can assure you if you survive a hit from the 240 grid you are lucky and will endeavor to never do it again while giving stern
warnings to those who do not take care as it is a matter of duty of care for anyone witnessing unsafe practices.
I would hope if someone seen me doing something very dangerous they would warn me of the danger immediately.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Mancha on June 26, 2014, 08:29:44 AM
Farmhand wrote: Basically if the house meter is fooled (which is the goal of the device) then power is being stolen and it is being used very inefficiently.
More or less the missing voltage is consumed by the ground resistance.

my respond:
I am not sure that house meter is fooled.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on June 26, 2014, 10:18:50 AM
I was give up on this. In spite of simplicity of the patent no one can replicate this.  :(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on June 26, 2014, 10:37:26 AM
DON'T GIVE UP ..  it took a long time to get gold from the ground, and longer still to learn how to process it.
we need to remember that  the electricity company took away the Captor to test it, they also believed it was a device which fooled the meters .. they then tested it (them) to see if they could find that they are unsafe .. when they found nothing the devices had to be returned.
Another point to remember is that the Captor was independently tested whilst running from a battery and the result verified as being six times OU  (6xOU) not more as was found previously when a test measurement was found to be inaccurate.  They have plans to self loop a battery powered unit .. You can be sure that the  (french) electricity company would have stopped them if it could have.  Just the fact that they have not been able to stop them might indicate three things, 1)  it works .. 2)  it needs more development before they see it as being a serious threat .. 3) it doesn't steal electricity.

Just my thoughts, as with the GEET device and developments with Plasma, people are getting closer, the only thing big business can do is to buy up the developments as they hit the market in order to keep the wraps on .. remember  Genpax hydrogen (on demand) electric car developed in Japan .. now controlled by big business but exist it does .. AND IT WORKS .. as do lots of other things.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 26, 2014, 02:11:34 PM
Hi to all, I make my simple replication and one thing i can tell , something strange happens.
See the video   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsnEchKlc8.
In the moment i prepare a improved version to test.
Any suggestions :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on June 26, 2014, 08:43:27 PM
@Farmhand, in the UK the earth is the neutral and I can assure you 100% that running a load/house with live to earth will not alter your meter reading one jot, it is the same as running live to neutral. PME system look up on wikipedia. I tried it for 6 months when my earth leakage trip blew so bypassed the neutral. Readings and bill stayed the same.
Regards
Keith       
PS. I guess I am one of those people that mess with 240V mains and more all the time, even survived a full 440 3 phase mains shock at work from one hand to the other, although it did render me unconscious for a few minutes.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 26, 2014, 10:37:15 PM
Which meter the House meter or the energy meter showing a few watts just before the device.

Yes it all depends on how the residence is wired, every house in the world is not wired the same way.

The guy showed the meter being fooled right on video, the neutral was bypassed and the ground became the return no doubt
about it. I seen the video and it was clear. If one meter can be fooled so can two.

As I said weather the house meter is fooled or not is neither here nor there, if the house meter is not fooled the power is paid for
anyway, if the house meter is fooled the power is stolen.

It's not up to me who messes with what, as long as I give warnings, I'm satisfied.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 26, 2014, 10:40:08 PM
I was give up on this. In spite of simplicity of the patent no one can replicate this.  :(

In order to replicate this the RCD must be bypassed as in the last video, that was a replication and it was a successful one. It just
didn't show what Barbosa and Leal claimed, instead it showed the real picture.

Take it or leave it and replicate it your self. Just don't die trying please.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 26, 2014, 10:59:53 PM
DON'T GIVE UP ..  it took a long time to get gold from the ground, and longer still to learn how to process it.
we need to remember that  the electricity company took away the Captor to test it, they also believed it was a device which fooled the meters .. they then tested it (them) to see if they could find that they are unsafe .. when they found nothing the devices had to be returned.
Another point to remember is that the Captor was independently tested whilst running from a battery and the result verified as being six times OU  (6xOU) not more as was found previously when a test measurement was found to be inaccurate.  They have plans to self loop a battery powered unit .. You can be sure that the  (french) electricity company would have stopped them if it could have.  Just the fact that they have not been able to stop them might indicate three things, 1)  it works .. 2)  it needs more development before they see it as being a serious threat .. 3) it doesn't steal electricity.

Just my thoughts, as with the GEET device and developments with Plasma, people are getting closer, the only thing big business can do is to buy up the developments as they hit the market in order to keep the wraps on .. remember  Genpax hydrogen (on demand) electric car developed in Japan .. now controlled by big business but exist it does .. AND IT WORKS .. as do lots of other things.

Yes well if the setup does not steal power and is not dangerous in itself, the energy company can do nothing.
It's only when people disable their RCD and use the actually "fooled" energy meter reading before the device to claim OU that
there is a problem
. And if power is not being stolen then it's none of their concern. Why would they even care if no power is
actually being stolen.

The energy company can do nothing about a con man and a stand alone energy meter being fooled. Nothing

But how do you explain the fact that the only iteration of the device that works is the one that does trip the RCD open. And if it
does trip the RCD then it cannot be used as a permanent house installed device. And it is using the ground as the return, which is
inherently very dangerous for household appliances.

If you encourage people to experiment with a device knowing it is dangerous and one of those people you encouraged gets killed by the
device then you ought to take some responsibility for that. Think about that. What are your qualifications skribat ?

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 27, 2014, 02:25:36 AM
Hello, I would say that after making tests with 12v dc without being connected to the electrical network realized that something strange was happening because the same circuit in my opinion behaves as a "joule thief". I observed that with only one pulse one 12v battery the voltage gain would quickly close to a capacitor 70v.
I repeat the circuit is not connected to the mains.
I'll try to make a circuit to pulse dc current.
I'm not here trying to prove anything because it is all in the name of science :)
The electric installation of my house has all electrical and fire protection if the phase is connected with the earth however the circuit works without the differential protection shoot.
I think that the patent does not specify how exactly is the circuit.
I will continue with my tests and will post new videos soon.
thank you
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on June 27, 2014, 10:00:36 AM
If there is a working RCD (safety switch) installed at the meter box if a current mismatch between the Active (phase) wire and the Neutral wire of more than 30 mA occurs as shown in the video, then the RCD will trip open. That is what they are designed to do to
save lives, if it doesn't then it's faulty or not installed correctly, or the connecting of the phase to ground does not cause a current
mismatch of 30 mA or greater. In the video there is 2.4 amps on the phase and zero on the neutral, but there would be some due to the 40 or so watts measured. Just the meter probably cannot read that small of a current.
Are you sure you are connecting the Phase and not the neutral to ground ?

Video clip showing meter fooled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4

It is also possible to use an "inline" RCD (safety switch) I have one and use it, cost only 25 dollars or so. They should protect the
user from electrocution between Phase and ground when using grounded neutral inverters and detect when a mismatch of current between the Phase and neutral occurs.

Using an isolation transformer without the output neutral connected to ground won't work as the isolation transformer cannot exert a potential difference between the isolation transformer output and the ground, so no current flows through the ground and virtually no output will be got from between one leg of the isolation transformer and the ground. Another pointer to the grid supplying the energy.

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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 27, 2014, 01:11:36 PM
greetings, after doing some tests with pulses 12v dc transformer barbosa as thought behaves with a joule thief.
I have no oscilloscope to analyze the output but it would be interesting to observe the wave.
I made some changes in the original configuration because as I said the patent for this barbosa not tell everything.
Who would bother to patent something that is a fraud? ;)
Thank you for your comments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYbMfbeQMZ4
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on June 27, 2014, 03:35:04 PM

I live in Italy and the meter set by the company making the distribution of
electricity  is electronic type with permanent digital connection with the mainframe
electric company and also has the built-in 'switch for maximum power and
differential of the earth, not by-passable and every malfunction is noted
on the bill as attention.
Therefore it is impossible for me to do these tests ...

Leo48
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 27, 2014, 03:45:13 PM
I live in portugal and in my home i have the same electric protection . 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 27, 2014, 04:33:08 PM
Best regards,
These are the tests with ac network.
So far the best results are obtained.
I recall that the intent of these tests are not cheating or putting people in danger but to promote answers questions about the functioning of captor.Os results are not considered reliable because the magnetic field influences the readings.
But I will continue to study the results of further tests.
My interest has always gone to use the equipment outside the network electrica.Não there any legal issue with justice ... I suppose :)
Good vibes for everyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czdXl2FJ8_8
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Dave45 on June 27, 2014, 05:20:46 PM
Nelson can you give us a schematic of your setup.
Thanks
dave
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 27, 2014, 05:44:55 PM
Hi dave i reproduce the circuit based in patent.
This is only a transformer and i think is just a based joule ring circuit.If you see the video test with dc you see clearly that little magnet when activate the reed switch and pulse the dc 12v e acts like a joule thief.
The loop secondary is made with 3 cables stranded (I don't have lots of resources) i think it can change the result because e acts like a bifilar coil like other energy devices like kapanadze etc.
See and reed very well the patent because the small details make a lot off difference :)
I will out the weekend and rest with my family . soon i will continue , and wait other tests because my resources are low to make lots of different tests.I pretend to buy a ups or a inverter to make other tests :) i cant wait.
greetings   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 30, 2014, 07:47:40 PM
Good afternoon, I found that the circuit generates large amounts of reactive power  when an inductive device is connected.
My watt meter measures the power factor and noticed that when I connect an inductive load directly to the power grid power factor varies depending on the equipment but always below 1 always 0.75 to 0.79. When I turn on the same charge through the circuit power factor is always 1 which tells us that the efficiency of the equipment is the best, all the energy supplied by the source is consumed by the load and reactive power is not needed.
  but when I disconnect the capacitor from the circuit (output) power factor goes to 0.1, 03 ranging.
For example, to get 1 kW of real power when the power factor is unity (equal to 1), 1 kVA of apparent power will necessarily be transferred (1 kW ÷ 1 kVA = 1). Under low values ​​of power factor, to transfer a greater amount of apparent power to obtain the same active power is required. To get 1 kW active power with power factor 0.2 will need to transfer 5 kVA of apparent power (1 kW = kVA 5 × 0.2).
Apparent power is the product of the current and voltage of the circuit. Due to energy stored in the load and returned to the source, or due to a non-linear load that distorts the wave shape of the current drawn from the source, the apparent power will be greater than the real power. A negative power factor occurs when the device which is normally the load generates power which then flows back towards the device which is normally considered the generator.
When power factor is equal to 0, the energy flow is entirely reactive.
I think this matter is a starting point to understand some details of circuit operation.
I think the reactive power generated is stored in the condenser and fed to the load causing not consume active power in phase.
I think this matter is a starting point to understand some details of circuit operation.
I think the reactive power generated is stored in the condenser and fed to the load causing not consume active power in phase so the meeter dont count real power W.

Capacitive loads such as capacitor banks or buried electrical cables produce reactive power with advanced power compared with voltage. Both types of load absorb energy during part of the AC cycle, only to return back to the energy source for the remainder of the cycle.

sorry for my english :) some the notes a copy from wiki to explain this.
I would greatly appreciate your opinions, soon I will make a video to illustrate this explanation.
May also see some tests I published some time about inductive reactive energy with my youtube channel that can be useful loads.
Thank you

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on June 30, 2014, 07:50:51 PM
One note :
In Portugal only the industrial market pay reactive power not the domestic consumer.
I say that because in this tests you create a great reactive power and if your provider charges you ...;) €$
bye
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: isam on July 01, 2014, 10:26:55 AM
Hello All,

I replicated Barbosa  and Leal circuit yesterday using the schematics shared on overunity.com.  Following are my findings.

I used Toroidal transformer  220V, 500W as primary coil and powered it up from Grid using 236V AC. I used the secondary coil( black 50mm copper cable) with one loop through Toroidal with closed circuit.  I connected the Phase(Line) from grid to the secondary loop too for polarity.   My Ground seem to be very good showing 0.245 Volts between Neutral and Ground.  I created 6 loops of ground cable around Secondary coil.  Then I powered up my primary coil and  immediately the secondly coil with little humming shows about 80 amps of current in. I measured volts between Secondary and ground to be 236V.

Then I put load connected to Secondary and Ground and my 500W lamp lit perfectly.   Now the interesting part is here.

I measured my input current(from grid) and my output on to the (Phase on load)  but they were both same as 2.1 amps.   The secondary coil was still showing 80amps current.  So where is OverUnity?  Did I do anything wrong in the circuit?

Please advise if anyone has replicated it with success.  If someone is successful, then please share the exact details of primary coil and secondary( cable length, no of loops, gauge of the cable...etc)  and how to connect ground of capturing electrons from ground. This may help.

The test I did leads lead me to the conclusion till now that there wasn't any Overunity in the circuit.

Thanks to all.



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on July 03, 2014, 01:42:50 PM

You may need to measure the phase angle    ;D


Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on July 03, 2014, 04:25:37 PM
@ isam, I have tried all ways to connect this circuit, if you look at it all that is happening is the live goes almost direct through the load to earth and lights the bulb the rest of circuit is not used.

Regards
Keith       PS secondary amps around 100 in my circuit but has no effect on load up or down.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 03, 2014, 08:23:02 PM
Hi is my last video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs.
I will no post more videos about this circuit  because i have other projects in my mind and in develop.
I see many people trying to replicate a patent barbosa and interestingly not seen at the beginning of the patent references stanley Mayer patent. It's just a tip not everything that glitters is gold, everyone just eyes in barbosa patent ignoring any description of Farady not referring to the bibliography used for the construction of the patent.

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Acca on July 03, 2014, 11:44:24 PM
 Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for  “Barbosa”
 
 
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
 
Acca…
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs)
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: zcsaba77 on July 04, 2014, 06:21:18 AM
Thanks to NelsonRochaa on overunity thread for  “Barbosa”
 
 
Barbosa power generator video clip(s) on Youtube below..Duplicators !!!
 
Acca…
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAtRv6PneNs)

Hi Acca

This device is truthfully?

regards zcsaba77
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: penno64 on July 04, 2014, 12:57:09 PM
What would be most interesting to know is -

what does nelson's electricity meter (power provider meter) do/show when he connects the motor and soldering
iron to his device ?

Penno
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 04, 2014, 04:08:48 PM
Hi Penny  is pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When i have a chance i try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.

In my opinion the circuit is not returning energy to the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit and.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
  You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values ​​of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usuis pertinent to your inquiry. My counter is digital it works with pulses. When you have a chance try to verify analog but I could see that the numbers of pulses in the counter does not increase when the circuit is connected to load.

In my opinion the circuit is not returning the electrical power network but to consume reactive power that the engine generates during operation called reactive power displacement.
This phenomenon is caused by the harmonics created by the circuit.
Any device that bind to the circuit always will have a power factor of 1.
  You can do a test with an inductive or capacitive and resistive load.
The three have different values ​​of power factor. 1 is the most efficient and usually resistive load is usually 0.98.
But inductive loads in the case is different. Forehead and takes your findings.
Besides being the power factor of the circuit always mean that one is not using reactive power from power network.
thanks and good tests.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: wayne49s on July 04, 2014, 11:10:23 PM
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)"


There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 05, 2014, 12:57:57 AM
Hello wayne rightly so, in the video you describe
the phase of the electric network is being conducted by grounding doubt that anyone has doubts. That's not the idea.
The neutral is in use as the grounding and your protection in my circuit.
you can verify that consumption increases  the loads used by varying their behavior depending on the type of cargo ex (inductive, capacitive or resistive). Thus the effect is different from that which you speak.
thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on July 05, 2014, 11:34:53 AM
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)"


There's no over unity here. The phase line has 2.4A, which is returning to grid source through the ground back to the network ground, bypassing the neutral line. In order for over unity, the phase current after the secondary loop should be greater than the phase current before if the secondary loop is contributing to the current flow to the load. I don't see the current loop doing anything.
Hi wayne49s,
The loop device is only to fool the observer! . . This device has no power to effect capture from the ground, in fact it is a device used to deceive kWh meters, use ground bar to replace the neutral wire of the power supply area. . . You can be electric shock by touching electrical appliances and device connected to the safety ground with metal casing!!!    :(
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 05, 2014, 02:15:49 PM
Man you are so smart ! I don't have copper ground bar in my home i live 9º floor !  And sure a will show the circuit working and i will measure in other socket ground and neutral to you see the danger that you talk ...lol
Or if you like a can put my hand in the ground.
Not talk about the things that you can understand .If you want to help give suggestions to improve the tests not only talking.
bye   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Farmhand on July 06, 2014, 01:16:30 AM
Nelson, can you post a schematic drawing of the arrangement you have ? I looked but I couldn't find one posted by you.
If I missed it I apologize.  :-[

We need a drawing of the circuit to be able to follow what you're actually doing.

..
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: wayne49s on July 06, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
Hi Nelson,
I didn't comment on your post because, like Farmhand, I am not totally clear on your circuit details without a schematic.  I notice in your earlier video. that you have something like a capacitor that is connected even with the AC test that you did. Also in the video, it looks like you are using the power cable to form the current loop. You don't seem to have a separate ground beyond the neutral which the power company presumably connects to ground. [size=78%]So a schematic would be very useful for readers of your posts.[/size]


In your conclusion, you are claiming ou and somehow the circuit converts reactive power to real power? That itself would be useful from an ou point of view as it is readily possible to generate much more apparent power VAR then watts. 


Any clarification would be appreciated.


/Wayne
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: viejo loco on July 06, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
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loe traduzido no google, desculpe não Inglês, boa llebo tempo você sigiendo este tema, mas sempre o mesmo, quando algien algo consige ou criar consegirlo, em seguida, desaparece ou excluir todos paraque esforço fardo pessoas, então se não for compartilhado se asin você quer ter um mundo mejoreso é impossível, devemos primeiro aprender a ser o nosso melhor e para que partilhamos, que bale dizer que você sabe o segredo de alguma coisa, e depois não compartilhá-lo, como você sabe se é verdade o que você diz, por que iria implorar motibo que colocar esquemas :-X
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 06, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
Hello Wayne.
It is important to differentiate the active power (watts) the apparent power (volt per amp), for what we pay is the active power Watts.
In some countries the energy returned to the network (reactive power VAR) is also charged.
Always said that the vessels of generic measure such as ammeters and multimeters only measure apparent powers except in true rms measuring devices.
Meters (such killwatts) measure the active and apparent power because are true rms.

It is known that the reactive power generated in the operation of a motor or transformer which is usually returned to the network is not able to produce active power according to current science explains and generating large amounts of heating in inductive loads and in all circuit.
  When the power factor is corrected and that the optimal value (1 is best) all the reactive load does not return the network being used less active power to make the job because the apparent power reactive power is reused at the source.

Now think with me:
If the reactive power causes heating of the electric circuit in the unit that generates and causes distortion of the sine wave AC making companies apply charges based on the power factor forcing the user to maintain maximum values ​​close to 0.78 (depending on supplier) what do you think if all inductive and capacitive devices have an ideal behavior which is always 1? This will be great ok ? 

If the reactive loads do not produce active power (Watts) because it is so unwanted by the companies?
Because heat conductors requiring the use of larger conductors? The harmonics created that distort the quality of the grid ?
Heat on drivers is synonymous with? Joule effect. :)
But they say it can not be harnessed and converted to active energy! For they say, and many other dubious explanations.

Never mention that my circuit is overunity. Never
And so I can do other types of tests, will share results. Currently has several contacts in order to sell the device (These people are crazy lol) and for that reason I can not dissect the circuit in detail.
I think later and in order to finance my tests I can put up for auction on EBAY the prototypes.

Always said that the original patent had important data, including the bibliographic references made ​​sources used in the preparation of patent barbosa.
I can not say much more about this project.
And say something clearly:
I've seen many circuit diagrams to run the internet and only serve to confuse even more people.
Do not copy! Recreate and abstracts them from the real world and  of laws imposed.
Know very well what has happened to the most notable inventors who wanted to change the system. Were abandoned by the scientific community, were murdered, were persecuted and most other things that are common domain.

Never assert publicly that the system works for free energy ! and I'll never tell.
How  say Scolari:
And I'm dumb?
Its a joke made by Scolari when train Portugal football team to a reporter. :)
Man good luck in your experiments
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: TinselKoala on July 06, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 06, 2014, 10:10:41 PM
Wayne see this video and see the question about powerfactor. bye.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hR0Ak2vsyg
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 07, 2014, 04:16:16 AM
See this videos too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoc_9h4vCKs

thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: viejo loco on July 07, 2014, 09:40:01 PM
muchas gracias nelsonrochaa  pero pon esquemas que nos tienes en un estado de crisis nerviosa :o
esquemas muito obrigado nelsonrochaa mas você nos colocar em um estado de colapso nervoso  :o
many thanks nelsonrochaa schemes but you have put us in a state of nervous breakdown :o
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 08, 2014, 02:51:03 PM
Hola viejo loco
todo mi trabajo se comparte vídeos en mi canal de youtube.
Algunos tienen meses sin que nadie se preocupa por.
Mi punto con esto es que la mayoría de la gente sólo quiere resultados inmediatos.
Este tipo de circuitos y requiere mucha paciencia para interpetar analizar los resultados y si son válidos.
He tenido algunos comentarios del género:
¡Eso es imposible! debe existir en una pila .. oculto condensador blalalal.
Mi trabajo es serio para mí por lo menos.
No lucro € nada para compartir mis vídeos mis esfuerzos con la comunidad.
Lo hago por gusto.
Tengo mi oportunidad y sólo puedo prometer que voy a seguir para publicar mis vídeos.
  No fuerce a nadie a ver mis videos.
saludos
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: viejo loco on July 08, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
GRACIAS NELSON, pero recuerda que si pusieras algún esquema, para que lo pudieran probarlo por ellos mismos, tendrías mas visitas ya que la gente para creer necesita comprobarlo por ellos mismos, ya que hay muchos estafadores por estos mundos.
pero yo te sigo y no solo los miro, sino que tan bien los grabo,. jejejejejej.
perdón si te molesta pero cuando se consigue algo lo borran o lo hacen desaparecer, pero si quieres mi correo es viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ en esta pagina tienes a gente como yo que seguro que te sentirás cómodo, pásate por contacto y pica en cima, y luego pica en foro GTEL ESPAÑA, y te saldrá donde dialogamos y compartimos las experiencias, un abrazo de un seguidor tullo, y por favor sigue que hay gente que te sigue en silencio. ;D ;D ;D ; ;D
OBRIGADO NELSON, mas lembre-se que se você colocar algum esquema, para que eles pudessem provar-se, teria mais vistas e levar as pessoas a acreditar que você precisa ver por si mesmos, pois há muitos scammers estes mundos.
mas eu ainda não vai apenas olhar, mas como bem gravado,. jejejejejej.
Desculpe se isso incomoda você, mas quando algo excluído ou que eles fugir, mas se você quiser meu email é viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ nesta página pessoas como eu que certeza você se sinta confortável, pare por contato e picadas em cima, e depois afundar no fórum GTEL ESPANHA, e você vai chegar onde discutimos e experiências compartilhadas de Tullo abraço de um seguidor, siga e há pessoas que te seguem em silêncio. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
THANKS NELSON, but remember that if you put some scheme, so they could prove themselves, would have more views and get people to believe you need to see for themselves, as there are many scammers out these worlds.
but I still will not only look, but how well recorded,. jejejejejej.
sorry if it bothers you but when something deleted or do they get away, but if you want my email is viejoloco@hotmail.com.
http://gruposenergialibre.com/ on this page have people like me who sure you feel comfortable, stop by contact and stings on top, and then sink in GTEL SPAIN forum, and you will get where we discussed and shared experiences a tullo embrace of a follower, please follow and there are people who follow you in silence. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: viejo loco on July 08, 2014, 08:07:52 PM
nelson tu no me has hablado por correo pero la pagina me a mandado 4 mensajes que me dicen lo siguiente lo copio y pego todos lo mismonelson você não tenha falado comigo por e-mail, mas me mandou para a página 4 mensagens me dizendo isso eu copiar e colar tudo a mesma coisa


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Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 08, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Another test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQhRQVGOM2Y.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: fer123 on July 09, 2014, 03:15:54 AM
Buen trabajo Nelson. :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on July 09, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
@nelsonrochaa, good work, please post rough circuit diagram, I have tried a few circuits that have been posted but no joy.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Thestone on July 10, 2014, 11:30:10 PM
Buen trabajo Nelson. :D

Bueno esto parece otro video sin ningún sentido real, miles de personas han echo esto, ocultar cables, sin saber cual es la entrada o la salida y menos se puede hacer nada con esto sin ningun diagrama para ver si es algo real....

Estoy cansado de ver videos que realmente no muestran nada.... una pérdidaa de tiempo. :-\

TheStone.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 01:36:46 AM
hola,
Creo que es notable que es la entrada y la salida electrica del circuito en los videos publicados.
Ahora en cuanto a no tener sentido, esto es por lo que estoy haciendo estas pruebas, como usted ha dicho que no tiene sentido aparentemente.O Watt metros puede no decir bien debido a la interferencia magnética, por lo que cuando se prueba con un medidor de un proveedor que pueda verificar si relmente funciona o no.
De todas las pruebas que he hecho hasta ahora no han encontrado overunity pero una disminución real en el consumo de aproximadamente 55% en promedio que varía con el tipo de carga utilizada (inductiva o resistiva).
El único fenómeno que me hace pensar que esas son las fluctuaciones en el consumo cuando cuando utilizo algunos tipos de motores.
Voy a publicar un plan con el fin de der finalizado todas las pruebas y las conclusiones.

Debo mencionar otra nota para aquellos que recientemente comentó algunos de mis pruebas diciendo que es imposible.
Tome una lectura de amplificadores MAG Magneticos.
Si necesita puedo proporcionar documentación sobre este tema.
Mi trabajo no es un enbuste también quiere pagar menos electricidad :) pero es necesario trabajar, leer, probar.
  Es una de las razones para tomar horas y horas con estas experiencias.

Aproveche esta oportunidad para agradecer a la donación hecha por uno de mis seguidores.
Sin las donaciones de materiales sería casi imposible avanzar en algunos experimentos por ello mi agradecimiento.
Gracias
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: RMatt on July 11, 2014, 04:34:09 AM
English please, can not understand anything you are saying.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: alejandroguille on July 11, 2014, 04:57:05 AM
hola,
Creo que es notable que es la entrada y la salida electrica del circuito en los videos publicados.
Ahora en cuanto a no tener sentido, esto es por lo que estoy haciendo estas pruebas, como usted ha dicho que no tiene sentido aparentemente.O Watt metros puede no decir bien debido a la interferencia magnética, por lo que cuando se prueba con un medidor de un proveedor que pueda verificar si relmente funciona o no.
De todas las pruebas que he hecho hasta ahora no han encontrado overunity pero una disminución real en el consumo de aproximadamente 55% en promedio que varía con el tipo de carga utilizada (inductiva o resistiva).
El único fenómeno que me hace pensar que esas son las fluctuaciones en el consumo cuando cuando utilizo algunos tipos de motores.
Voy a publicar un plan con el fin de der finalizado todas las pruebas y las conclusiones.

Debo mencionar otra nota para aquellos que recientemente comentó algunos de mis pruebas diciendo que es imposible.
Tome una lectura de amplificadores MAG Magneticos.
Si necesita puedo proporcionar documentación sobre este tema.
Mi trabajo no es un enbuste también quiere pagar menos electricidad :) pero es necesario trabajar, leer, probar.
  Es una de las razones para tomar horas y horas con estas experiencias.

Aproveche esta oportunidad para agradecer a la donación hecha por uno de mis seguidores.
Sin las donaciones de materiales sería casi imposible avanzar en algunos experimentos por ello mi agradecimiento.
Gracias

Hola Amigo, entonces es probable que funciona este aparato verdad ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 10:31:07 AM
Hola Alejandro guille,
Yo respondería con un 100% convencido de que funciona.
Ahora puedo decir es lo que observo con mis metros.

Así que puedo responder y decir que funciona cuando se prueba con un proveedor de electricidad mostrador.
Ahora en cuanto a circuito barbosa que han visto el internet tengo mis dudas;
  amperaje que el bucle no se corresponde con la ganancia real del circuito, probada y verificada.

Sin apagar el circuito eléctrico de protección DR, la barbosa circuito
no funciona debido a que la fuga es detectada Una tierra 30mA superior que hará que el sistema realice DR.

Se puede observar algunos efectos interesantes en la onda sinusoidal de desplazamiento que muestra la influencia del flujo magnético en el bucle de corriente eléctrica que fluye en la carga.

También comprobé el circuito provoca picos negativos de largo,
  actuando de forma idéntica a una forma ladrón Joule.
Lástima que no tengo oscillosopio proprio, además avariei lo que me habían prestado por un amigo durante la prueba.

Ahora tengo una certeza, y puedo garantizar que no hay ningún cambio en el cuadro eléctrico durante todas las pruebas, no hay cables ocultos ni otro tipo de broma durante mis videos.
buenas experiencias
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on July 11, 2014, 03:32:23 PM
Hola Alejandro guille,
Yo respondería con un 100% convencido de que funciona.
Ahora puedo decir es lo que observo con mis metros.

Así que puedo responder y decir que funciona cuando se prueba con un proveedor de electricidad mostrador.
Ahora en cuanto a circuito barbosa que han visto el internet tengo mis dudas;
  amperaje que el bucle no se corresponde con la ganancia real del circuito, probada y verificada.

Sin apagar el circuito eléctrico de protección DR, la barbosa circuito
no funciona debido a que la fuga es detectada Una tierra 30mA superior que hará que el sistema realice DR.

Se puede observar algunos efectos interesantes en la onda sinusoidal de desplazamiento que muestra la influencia del flujo magnético en el bucle de corriente eléctrica que fluye en la carga.

También comprobé el circuito provoca picos negativos de largo,
  actuando de forma idéntica a una forma ladrón Joule.
Lástima que no tengo oscillosopio proprio, además avariei lo que me habían prestado por un amigo durante la prueba.

Ahora tengo una certeza, y puedo garantizar que no hay ningún cambio en el cuadro eléctrico durante todas las pruebas, no hay cables ocultos ni otro tipo de broma durante mis videos.
buenas experiencias
Hi nelsonrochaa,
Please, a complete circuit diagram that you test to lead you to believe and conclude 100 percent that it worked! . . This will help convince people to believe in your statement above.    :D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 06:42:21 PM
Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i can sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 06:44:18 PM
 >:(  lol another time !
 >:( Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i cant sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on July 11, 2014, 06:56:55 PM
  Nelson:
   Are you sure that this device works, or not???
   Estas %100 seguro que fuciona, or no?
   Yo tampoco entiendo lo que quieres decir.

  Even if this thing only works connected to the grid source, but not being detected by the power company meter readings, then that would be really, really advantageous.
                                                                     NickZ
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 07:04:50 PM
has i said all this tests is to comprove if work or not.
The values in the meeter can change be the magnetic influence of circuit.
I wll make tests with company meeter reader is the only way to know if the circuit and the values are true.
this is the point of situation.Sorry for make mess with translation.
:)   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoebus33 on July 11, 2014, 07:31:59 PM
hello
in your videos you can tell, show and test, but if you don't say what you show and test ... this is not interesting
why you don't put diagram circuit ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 11, 2014, 08:25:06 PM
Man, if with this videos you cant see what i want show :) without wanting to belittle you i think this theme is not for you .... but i respect your opinion.
thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoebus33 on July 11, 2014, 08:37:46 PM
i see and i understand what you want show, but i don't see your diagram  circuit in video that's all
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: dllabarre on July 12, 2014, 12:00:53 AM
i see and i understand what you want show, but i don't see your diagram  circuit in video that's all


There are a few schematic diagrams just 5-6 pages back in this thread.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: havuhung on July 12, 2014, 05:37:26 AM
>:(  lol another time !
 >:( Sorry for the translation. What i want to say is i cant sure that device work 100% .Is the reason for tests.
Goggle translate make mess.lol :)
Hi nelsonrochaa,
I also used google translate, and has faced very funny translation errors due to negligence and not checking back!    ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on July 12, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
has i said all this tests is to comprove if work or not.
The values in the meeter can change be the magnetic influence of circuit.
I wll make tests with company meeter reader is the only way to know if the circuit and the values are true.
this is the point of situation.Sorry for make mess with translation.
:)
===========

It is easy to understand the translation, thank you for your contribution to the forum. sk
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 14, 2014, 11:50:41 AM
I did some tests with ground electricity and captured indirectly (without any connection except the ground) ambient voltage around 20V AC 50Hz. I was able to turn on a LED.
From the ground and me I can measure cca 1V, from wall there is even around 5V, from something matallic I can get much more voltage.
I am very interested if this energy (even it is unusable for practical use) is counted by electro meter.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 14, 2014, 09:46:06 PM
Hi pavqw,
What you have capture in ground are static electricity caused by a autoinduction of earth ground and phase the cables of grid.
You can make nice circuit see this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXeCL3yse7E.
bye and good tests.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 15, 2014, 04:16:32 PM
Wow, big thanks!

It seems it could work. Question is, if it is really free energy or it just fooling a meter. If it is free, it could be easy to get more and more power.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 15, 2014, 05:55:57 PM
Hi , the circuit that i past links don't absorb energy from grid because is static energy.
 for this reason you can sure that wont count in your grid meter.
thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 15, 2014, 10:05:05 PM
That's perfect. So I don't understand why it is not used widely? Well it seems as you can get theoretically unlimited power or am I wrong? There should be a limit.
Do you think there is some negative property so it can't be used to supply more devices in home?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 15, 2014, 11:31:08 PM
hello pavqw,
The basic problem is that energy can not be charged $ :)
For this reason it is not widespread.
Yesterday I read an article that left me wondering where someone wise and excellent ability to scan said the following:
On the day the power is free the world had collapsed.
And he has every reason, society as we know it, is deeply dependent on the silicon, electrons and electrons ... this makes with all the economic and social foundations that support society are directly dependent on electrical power.
From one day to another would be the global source of a strong global collapse of all financial structures that would eventually reflect on all of us.
However it is just a theory :).
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 15, 2014, 11:53:31 PM
Indeed it could be true.

By the way, just small idea comes to my mind.
If previous device will work, and it seems it will, then if we can generate for example A/C voltage and supply with it our free energy device (so we swap the grid line to self generated power), we should get self looping behavior.
Generator should be powered from Free Energy device.
Free energy device can't drain power from the generator, so it must work. But I am afraid it is not so easy and we can't achieve overunity here. Generator has to be very efficient and probably with specific characteristics and maybe some load attached?

If I am correct, it seems the higher load is in grid the more free energy from the device. So if nothing is connected to grid we can't get free energy from this device.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 16, 2014, 01:54:03 AM
Well, we can say that it is a difficult task to achieve overunity .....
at least the explanations of conventional science.
But we also have proven for more eccentric people in this branch of science that 1 +1 does not equal 2 :).
What I mean is all very questionable depends on the person's perspective. There are people who are completely formatted and do not even bother to test and question why some phenomena visible in our day to day happen.
Regarding your reasoning on the fact that the electrical network connection does not exist and the circuit does not generate power as soon not be overunity,
makes sense in this particular case because the circuit only compensates the local load used reducing the power consumed in the power grid however the effect is there, this is the most important! Now if the circuit is designed to store the surplus somehow allowing self-circuit power will have to be designed differently than what I'm trying to do now DC pulsed.
Never intended to prove that the circuit causes the electric meter misread the consumer's favor but rather to demonstrate the effect and works very well :).
As I said today to a subscriber of my channel this is just a drop in the ocean.
Still so much to understand, test, in this matter.
One thing I can guarantee:
In my humble opinion it all boils down basically the same.
Everything depends on the back-emf and resonance, something that is not easy to attain as they are not visible phenomena in everyday life.
The people in your life period of time have less time to be attentive to the smallest details; everything has apparent explanation :) so why try?
No, we buy buy .... The great lords of money keeps us busy and distracted to consume and work.
This is the system:)
man i work in my own researches about 15 years and i see every time new  phenomenas and i learn with that.)
bye and good mad science ;)

 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on July 16, 2014, 08:58:35 AM
how right you are, the secret of mind control is distraction ..   we don't even need to get over unity,  just 100% efficiency would be a giant leap forward, .. cut out the loss.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 17, 2014, 01:29:34 AM
Hi
Yes I fully agree, if there is 100% efficiency was already very good.
Efficiency = total utilization of input power without the waste load, of course there will always lose, resistance, Joule effect ......
But the resistance might be overcome :) what happens when a circuit is in resonance mayor?
It will be reactive energy or BMF has the same behavior of conventional energy in a electric circuit? maybe not. I think these are the most important factors to achieve maximum levels of efficiency.
Too bad our conventional measurement devices do not measure these manifestations of energy as would be faster to draw conclusions.
And because our measuring devices not properly measure these types of energy? hummmm. These phenomena were only discovered now? Or have already been discovered over 1 century by brilliant minds neglected by science? Makes you think
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on July 17, 2014, 08:08:15 AM
'makes you think'   ..  yes making people think is good.   We now have devices which only a few years ago consumed many watts of energy which now consume only micro-watts. Maybe for the moment this is the way to go and it might open the doors to other developments.  The evolutionary process is usually the best way to go.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on July 17, 2014, 08:48:01 AM
Hi , Nelson . Only a question , if you can . Have you tried also with an Inverter ? . I can't remove The safe protection RD , and i am trying with a pure sine wave inverter . But at the moment with no results . Thanks in advance .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: phoebus33 on July 17, 2014, 09:40:07 AM
I also try with battery and ac converter for more than a month without success either
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 17, 2014, 11:02:47 PM
Hello, andrea_bel
not tested with an inverter because I have no money to buy one :) but I have in mind to make a test.
Once you have opportunity publish the video.
I have not had much time unfortunately to move because he was unemployed and got a job now. Unfortunately I'm working 10 to 11 per day which prevents me move as fast as it was happening.
Another thing, do not hang the RD system.
You can innocently create an accident at home ... and it is not the way.
I mentioned several times that my RD system is connected.
I also have plans to post a video where the RD system will test before and after connecting the circuit so that they can verify that it is active and it is not necessary that it be turned off until for safety.
When I finish all my tests I will publish the circuit.
Publish the circuit, so that people do not think that I want to share or that I'm fooling anyone, but I will not publicly .... just in particular. I do not want trouble with the law and I say this because never accept the use of this circuit, and for this reason the way forward will be to use the circuit outside power grid. But I have to take time and money to outfit :) thing that currently do not have abundance.
One step at a time.
Good tests.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 17, 2014, 11:06:28 PM
The providers of electricity will never accept the use of this circuit by obious reasons.
Sorry for the mistakes in translation continue to fail as the € 500 notes in my wallet lol.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 17, 2014, 11:44:01 PM
Tommorow I'll try to do some tests with free static frequency energy. If I'll find it is really useable I want to continue in research. I can try to do some bigger devices. It could be very interesting to get power around kW.
From my point of view it is a legal way of getting energy. It is same as you use vapors from a chimney to get some extra heat. It just uses by-product.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on July 18, 2014, 09:07:19 AM
Thanks Nelson for you answer . Excuse me , i haven't understand that the safety switch was on (probably my translator ) . Thanks for your great job that are you doing , also for us that are enyoiing with this tests . I am compariing  your great job with prof nenad savic . It seems that the toroidal core , was more insensible to loads . Perhaps because it has more primary power than your toroidal core  ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: totoalas on July 19, 2014, 02:43:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Marsing on July 19, 2014, 12:36:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw :)


Wow...    They start the system using batteries and  seems without wire to the ground. comment ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 12:48:08 PM
Hi Andrea bor ;
 
In my setup i use a conventional primary coil 220v ac transformer but i think that if increase the turns will reveal changes in result, but in my setup a use a conventional toroidal core without original secondary layer .
I try another cores like a MOT but i think is not so efficient to make the secondary.
I have planes to make a new video with a MOT and DC pulse test because i want to explore the dc effect.
I wait for ebay some mosfets to make a oscillator, (i don't have a inverter) to test the pulsed DC.
I have curiosity because the effect that i observed when i make basic tests was very interesting.
I could fill 15mf cap with 400v in a single touch of fraction of a second . using the secondary coil and colect in primary coil, or using only  primary coil and without secondary coil connected, the cap fill up in the 2 situations.
I have shure that with a video is more clear what a want to say. need to make the video:)
Basically is like the  video that i make with dc test.
good work and thanks very muck for your donation man
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 01:16:51 PM
Hi Marsing like i say before in other posts is obvious that Barbosa not reveal the real details of circuit work in  the patent i say this million times!:) Is a maneuver diversion. The patents are based on other people work and Barbosa understand how it works so compile there patents.
 Reading the original barbosa patents you could find the numbers of other patents that is used in there patent,
and you ask you: what a fuck? barbosa make a puzzle with a 10 difference patents ? yes!
The effects are similar to ismael project or QEG or akula .Basicly is tesla work .. understanded .
People like akula have the intellect and the material resources so are in the top of run is simple.
In this last barbosa video you can see that i have problems in 1 point of circuit : batteries basically the same problem that ismael have ,  ;). The are much evidences and connections in all this circuits but the principle is all the same EMF , or REACTIVE ENERGY DC or AC and resonance.
Man i am a only curious  man and when i talk i based everytime in testing and observation i read a lot and see ramifications in all circuits and is all the same the only think that change is method to obtain the effect.
Tesla use a spark gap or rotated gap, now we use silicone so what is the difference of resistance when you pulse dc or ac in mosfet or in a spark gap ?
hap it make lot of difference . this is the point.
thanks       
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 01:25:38 PM
Hi greats,
Shure you can do a bigger device and think that is very interesting. The static have much potential, you can see works like lasersaber with free electric  static motor http://laserhacker.com/?p=356.
There are lots of projects like testatika that only us free static energy.
I wll follow you and your tests :)
thanks



Tommorow I'll try to do some tests with free static frequency energy. If I'll find it is really useable I want to continue in research. I can try to do some bigger devices. It could be very interesting to get power around kW.
From my point of view it is a legal way of getting energy. It is same as you use vapors from a chimney to get some extra heat. It just uses by-product.
What do you think?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 01:34:00 PM
People one post more  :o ;D is weekend and im happy :)
I want to put a link of one my new subscription of youtube Gfusion Core.sa
link channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3Cw
Man if you listen me you make a great work! proving that all i say about isolate from the conventional principles of electricity if people want to advance is like this man.
I recommend i have great videos about ground system , high frequency energy and other great thinks  .

bye
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 01:35:14 PM
 the link is wrong :) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw
this is!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 19, 2014, 06:03:09 PM
I dont know what I am doing wrong, but static free energy does not occur in my case. I built my device as described in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
but it does not work for me. I can measure cca 0,5V only. When I put my lamp close to this device I can measure around 1.5V.. Thats not much.
Here are some photos. I guess there is something missing or our grid is different. Maybe I have to connect some load?

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 06:10:07 PM
man where is the rectifier ? 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 19, 2014, 06:17:23 PM
Hmm, it is not connected yet, because I can't get any A/C voltage. Do you think I'll get D/C voltage with connected rectifier?

Thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 06:23:38 PM
I gave you 100% guarantee that will work with rectifier.
bye 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 19, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
I am afraid, but rectifier (Gretz) does not helped at all. Voltage is cca 1V DC.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 19, 2014, 08:26:37 PM
I've double checked everything and it seems its OK but it does not work as expected.
Interestingly when wire from a lamp is very close I can get higher voltage but thats all.
It seems when I turn on the device, voltage drops even lower.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 19, 2014, 08:38:50 PM
make  a photo with the bridge connections to see .
Confirm if the - is grounded and one leg ac bridge ground too.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 19, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
OK, I think it is OK. I have tried both ends of coil with same results too.
It is all grounded as in schematic. Rectifier is just simple full wave bridge.
I guess there should be AC voltage coming from coil/ground.
I am not sure but without neutral from the grid I can't measure any voltage.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: GeoFusion on July 20, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
People one post more  :o ;D is weekend and im happy :)
I want to put a link of one my new subscription of youtube Gfusion Core.sa
link channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3Cw
Man if you listen me you make a great work! proving that all i say about isolate from the conventional principles of electricity if people want to advance is like this man.
I recommend i have great videos about ground system , high frequency energy and other great thinks  .

bye

Hi there nelsonrochaa :)!

Thnk you for your nice comments, yes I have been doing alot of Experimenting for some years now, Have you seen my videos??
Check them out.
I did many experiments with coils and Tesla coils, Royer circuits , and other types of transformers with pulses.
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw/videos

Btw I have seen that you got a Captor, was very interested to hear about this.
 I also did some tests and the results are odd yet surprising.
I did replicate a small captor based on what was provided in this thread, and saw that the Fase (hotwire) works with ground very good and
depending how many grounds you connect to each other like I did, managed to pull 2.0~ amps from ground and voltage around 90V.
I  connected e bulbs of 200 watts ( each 100watts )
I have 127V here on the island.

I managed to put plates in ground, 3 plates  of half a meter wide and half a meter long.
Good output, but the more plates I put the more amps and maintains voltage up. But can't touch the ground haha.
But don't know if the meter can count that what I am using.

I will check your videos out,  Because There must be methods of creating a a Hot wire via e inverter that can pull out amps like how I do with the mains hot wire.
Cheerz :), Hope to share more
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: andrea_bor on July 20, 2014, 11:53:12 AM
Hello Nelson . Thanks for your answer . I'll try it .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 12:19:36 PM
Hi there nelsonrochaa :)!

Thnk you for your nice comments, yes I have been doing alot of Experimenting for some years now, Have you seen my videos??
Check them out.
I did many experiments with coils and Tesla coils, Royer circuits , and other types of transformers with pulses.
 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyZZNOLvFRlSMnloejp3FCw/videos

Btw I have seen that you got a Captor, was very interested to hear about this.
 I also did some tests and the results are odd yet surprising.
I did replicate a small captor based on what was provided in this thread, and saw that the Fase (hotwire) works with ground very good and
depending how many grounds you connect to each other like I did, managed to pull 2.0~ amps from ground and voltage around 90V.
I  connected e bulbs of 200 watts ( each 100watts )
I have 127V here on the island.

I managed to put plates in ground, 3 plates  of half a meter wide and half a meter long.
Good output, but the more plates I put the more amps and maintains voltage up. But can't touch the ground haha.
But don't know if the meter can count that what I am using.

I will check your videos out,  Because There must be methods of creating a a Hot wire via e inverter that can pull out amps like how I do with the mains hot wire.
Cheerz :), Hope to share more

Hi Geofusion,
yes I've seen most of your videos, and for this reason I recommended your work as it is very interesting.
I also do experiments more than 15 years :) is the hobby of my life;)
The first time I did tests with BMF was 8 years old, and did not understand how he could take advantage of the BMF of the coil of a relay, I saw that there was a discharge but  did not understand that purpose and was addicting me more and more tests, but in there time  there was no internet as now exists to ask questions :) now everything is more accessible, so there is too much information (bad information).

Regarding the "captor" I understood that you do not have the active DN system, therefore
you have done more than one connection to earth and I'm sure that the effect is quite different.
In my case it is impossible to do this kind of test because I live in a 9 floor of a building;)
  I have to use the grounding of electrical building with active protection DN, and it was this problem that made ​​me understand something more about this system.
I think the circuit is no more than a variant of other circuits that make use of back emf or reactive power in ac.
In your latest videos you use the same principles to achieve the effect of feedback
by the ground. (Nice coil).
I appreciate the fact that you visited my channel because otherwise would not have known your work that I recognize is very interesting.
I'm trying to see if I could put a video today with some basic tests in DC
to demonstrate some important points.
Thank you and good experiences

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
Hi Nelson.
I've found a problem in my circuit! I have chinese supply cord where phase and neutral wires are swapped, so there was connected neutral instead phase.
Now I can achieve 185V AC without load! Thats perfect. Unfortunately output power is very poor. If I connect just one LED, then voltage drops to 33V AC @ 40uA.
So If I am correct, I need around 135-757 such devices to get 1W output :)

By the way, this device does not offer free energy. It is not static energy, but simply electromagnetic - same as in transformer but with very poor efficiency. At least it seems to me.
I can measure same amperage in input side as in output.
Probably it could fool a grid meter but thats all :(
It is probably similar principle as Barbosa & Leal device so if it is needed, you can do so rather with direct connection and more amperage with less effort.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 07:41:19 PM
Hi Nelson.
I've found a problem in my circuit! I have chinese supply cord where phase and neutral wires are swapped, so there was connected neutral instead phase.
Now I can achieve 185V AC without load! Thats perfect. Unfortunately output power is very poor. If I connect just one LED, then voltage drops to 33V AC @ 40uA.
So If I am correct, I need around 135-757 such devices to get 1W output :)

By the way, this device does not offer free energy. It is not static energy, but simply electromagnetic - same as in transformer but with very poor efficiency. At least it seems to me.
I can measure same amperage in input side as in output.
Probably it could fool a grid meter but thats all :(
It is probably similar principle as Barbosa & Leal device so if it is needed, you can do so rather with direct connection and more amperage with less effort.

Hi im happy for you :)  This circuit work with static electric . you do not transfer by induction because  if you measure you don't have resistance in primary coil because one leg of the coil is open (fase) .
Think if you simple change the diameter of the brass with more mass . ;)
and more copper. You can improve the output with regulated simple circuit in the output.
good experiences
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 07:51:07 PM
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 07:57:25 PM
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?

how can the circuit drain if in the circuit don't have any connection of the electric phase with the ground ?
Review the circuit because something is wrong.
if you put a circuit open you cant draw current ok ?    and in original circuit the primary coil have one leg  disconnect .
bye
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 08:05:40 PM
Indeed, circuit is open, one leg is not connected and nothing is connected to phase wire to make circuit.
But if you imagine it is really a capacitor, so you can put there some input power and then you can discharge it...
Each capacitor draws some small current until it is charged.

Well, there could be a problem in our house wiring which is quite old. There is PE and N connected together. So it could be a issue.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
Good here I leave the last tests ;) but for now is what I can show.
I hope you all take some conclusions of these tests like me.  :o

  

I'm a little sick  :-[  so not complain to the sniffles ... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaHXLZ6QJss
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 10:01:15 PM
Very nice work!

Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?

Thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
Very nice work!

Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?

Thanks

Hi yes i make a model too, long time ago and works ,  but in my circuit the phase can have any consumption because is open so no current can travel . The phase is only for give de frequence alternations .
Is very easy make a model with parallel units but you need to understand the concept first. see another time in detail the circuit. I another chance of your house have a old ground connection joined with neutral.
bye   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 11:15:57 PM
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 11:24:17 PM
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)

It make me very happy see you achieve your purpose :) You have a scope is a bit more easy to confirm some things i don't have scope , i use a radio to listen the variation of frequency.
Now you can go for other type of project . did you understand what i say ;)
bye 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)

or can make one of this to use the circuit with more efficient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlpV1MWm40
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 11:44:48 PM
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.

I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 20, 2014, 11:54:05 PM
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.

I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.

Ok if act like a cap so is electrostatic agree ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 20, 2014, 11:59:54 PM
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.

Well, even it is electrostatic energy and you use it in any way, it has to add current in the source.
If not, it is overunity and you can catch as much electricity as you want without affecting a grid - physics law should be broken then.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 21, 2014, 12:05:19 AM
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.

ok 70ua on input it seems like a ambience electrostatic interference .You use a analog or digital meter? .did measure the output ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 21, 2014, 12:14:12 AM
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 21, 2014, 12:38:24 AM
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
man you cant draw current from the grid because you don't transfer by induction .
If you put a lamp connected to phase and nothing in other side you can consume anything now if you connect the lamp in phase and in ground , then you can measure and will consume.
the circuit don't have direct connection to phase or magnetic coupling .
When i have some time i will make a model for compare my results with yours.
try to make reverse engineer of the circuit.
try measure the circuit without the ground and with the ground . the measure you make are in phase cable or in ground cable ? 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 21, 2014, 12:58:08 AM
Thank you very much.

I know there is no connection, there is at least 1mm isolation layer.
Still, if I connect some load then circuit is closed if you consider brass with phase and coil (output wire) is together capacitor.
It is closed because load (for example LED) acts as diode and has its resistance.
Then electrons must pass just 1mm thick shrink tube and because there is always EM emmision (or whatever it is) it passes this layer, but of course in very bad shape.
Voltage drops barely but only 1:(big number) of electrons (or whatever it is) passes this barier - so output power can't be good.
With higher voltage transmission should be much better I guess.

Do you know pencil-like indicator can show you where is main grid in the wall without any connection? It detects voltage even for few cm distance, because there is always some emmision.

I am sure that without ground cable there should'nt be any consumption. I have already tried to start it without ground without success, I'll try to measure it too.
Input consumption was measured in the phase cable.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pavqw on July 21, 2014, 07:59:28 PM
So I did some tests with separated ground (directly to ground) and results are same.
No free energy here. I can measure input consumption very precisely.
Even isolants are conductive to some point.
If you do same tests be sure you are measuring AC, because there is no input DC consumption of course.
My final statement for now is, its not worth to build Lorrie Matchett device, because there is no free energy at all.
But it was nice to learn something new.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 22, 2014, 11:15:12 PM
So I did some tests with separated ground (directly to ground) and results are same.
No free energy here. I can measure input consumption very precisely.
Even isolants are conductive to some point.
If you do same tests be sure you are measuring AC, because there is no input DC consumption of course.
My final statement for now is, its not worth to build Lorrie Matchett device, because there is no free energy at all.
But it was nice to learn something new.


Hi pavqw , soon has i can i will try to make a model to compare some notes with you.
Thanks for the tips .;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ariovaldo on July 31, 2014, 09:27:22 PM
One more joke??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw)


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on July 31, 2014, 11:21:49 PM
One more joke??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFY4PqcSAAw)


Cheers


Ariovaldo





Ola Ariovaldo ,
este video já tem algum tempo (1mês) ,a não apresenta grandes novidades , aparentemente.
Ainda não entendi o porque de tanto segredo por parte deles.O meu inglês é péssimo e por isso vou postar em português já que ainda não tinha tido oportunidade de falar contigo dado que tinhas ido de ferias :) Espero que tenham sido boas , sabem sempre a pouco.

Aquilo que pude constatar em todos os testes que fiz (Alguns não foram publicados) é que o efeito é similar a outros projectos baseados em energia livre como por exemplo Ismael Aviso,kapanadze, akula etc.
Todos estes projectos tem algo em comum :ressonância, BACKEMF e ground  .
Após alguns testes que fiz com DC pulsado , pude observar alguns efeitos interessantes e que continuarei a explorar, dá uma vista de olhos no ultimo video que publiquei.
Existe um efeito de "swing" ou ressonância no circuito que mantém o circuito a oscilar . Vê e da-me a tua opinião .   
Em relação a testes na rede ac :

O circuito que demonstrei no video , não esta apenas a enganar o medidor como muita gente aqui referiu.
A razão para o qual apresenta aqueles valores é simples :
O circuito esta a devolver energia a rede e o medidor apenas mede entre os seus terminais a energia real que é consumida mas quando o circuito gera um excedente de energia (Reactiva) a mesma é absorvido no loop criando um acoplamento indutivo com o primário devolvendo energia para a rede  .
Inicialmente o fluxo magnético gerado no loop pelo primário cria um fluxo magnético fixo e sempre referi que a amperagem medida no loop não é a disponível tal como quer dar a entender o Barbosa ,mas o efeito magnético criado pelo  loop é importante para gerar o efeito observado .
 O medidor que uso é true rms, ele mede corrente aparente,real e também factor de potencia.
O circuito tem uma redução em geral de 58% em relação ao consumo normal das cargas que testei variando consoante o tipo de carga , pois no caso de cargas indutivas geradas em motores eléctricos o efeito é mais visível , pelo facto de criarem energia reactiva e essa é necessária para criar o campo magnético entre o loop e o primário do transformador dado que o fluxo magnético é invertido no sentido da rede.
Já testei com várias fontes de medição inclusivamente com um contador da fornecedora eléctrica que tem os dois medidores disco e digital por impulsos , e o que é curioso é veres o disco realmente andar muito mais lento , ou em pulsos :) e as vezes parar e não existir os pulsos.
No entanto se a mesma carga fosse ligada directamente a rede o contador alem de aumentar os pulsos (dez por cada volta da roda analógica) era visível que a roda analógica rodava de forma uniforme. algo esta a acontecer ..
Quero assinalar que o meu sistema de Protecção DN do quadro eléctrico esteve sempre ligado ao contrario do que vi em alguns testes feitos por outras pessoas. È muito imprudente desligar o sistema de Protecção DN e por esse motivo assim que puder vou publicar um video exactamente a demonstrar, que o meu sistema DN esta activo e funcional e que não faz sentido desligar o mesmo .

 Volto a referir que a patente de Barbosa é apenas uma mescla ou mistura de patentes.
Se leres as referencias que usaram para conseguir fazer a patente , são todas já conhecidas e essas sim são importantes para perceber o efeito.
Vou receber um osciloscópio :) uma doação feita por um subscritor que vai possibilitar outro tipo de analise .

Eles (Barbosa) apenas criaram uma manobra de diversão para desviar a atenção das pessoas daquilo que realmente é importante . É possível que eles saibam já algo mais e por razões óbvias não querem difundir .
Eles apenas descobriram um efeito mas precisam de $ para poder avançar nas suas pesquisas e parece que não o têm por isso criaram este show para captar as atenções de alguém capaz $ garantir financiamento um investidor , tal como kapanadze.
Eu dedico-me a este hobby com muito poucos recursos e sei que é complicado quando queremos avançar em algo e ficamos parados porque não existe $ para os equipamentos para material etc.
Aguardo uns mosfets de ultra baixa resistência para testar os pulsos em DC  :) assim que puder publicarei resultados.

Boas experiências   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 10, 2014, 12:25:57 PM
For people that want reproduce the circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 26, 2014, 01:08:08 PM
For people that want reproduce the circuit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paJeF8TxjB0


Some interesting effect when pulse the dc current in the circuit with a vibrator .The gap created is green .
I thing can be any relation with Cherenkov radiation .see the video and comment. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 28, 2014, 01:12:47 PM

Some interesting effect when pulse the dc current in the circuit with a vibrator .The gap created is green .
I thing can be any relation with Cherenkov radiation .see the video and comment. Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxEAQNOjp0

Hi another test to see the gain in the output with a motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on August 29, 2014, 01:37:31 AM
Hi another test to see the gain in the output with a motor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_qUlwSZl0

Another test with a resistive load https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9daYU4JBMu4
thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: xhacks on November 28, 2014, 08:55:52 AM
Any news?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ILLATIKSI on December 02, 2014, 01:52:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504

This is a video in Spanish that modifies the circuit Barbosa and place a capacitor instead of a ground wire screwed. Very simple to prove.

Cheers..

I
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neofln on December 02, 2014, 10:53:28 PM
Like i said to @Enric Toledo in a private email some time ago, u have the wire of closed loop the thicker one, when u put the ground cable around the thicker wire what u get? A primitive capacitor, two metalics surfaces separated by a isolator... Right?
But our friend Ariovaldo got one of these "captor de elétrons da terra" disassembled and nothing special in the connection if i remember right...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 04, 2014, 09:10:52 PM
@ ALL

new to the forum - but I started a the first post and covered everything to present - IMHO the material that was stated to be gravel in the "junk captor" photos appears to be quartz crystal fragments which can be purchased globally. these crystal fragments can give out a piezzo electric effect - they supply the electric spark to fire starters and most cigarette lighters nowadays. since I see a heavy concentration of them poured in the primary toroid area before the resin was added it could be possible to have an extra effect on both the primary and the heavy wire loop in that area. If the other areas of the resin did not have them it would be somewhat of a confirmation.  just a thought.

also why was the captor a " junk captor" ?

LOL Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: hanon on December 08, 2014, 11:22:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUtRFSqj504)

This is a video in Spanish that modifies the circuit Barbosa and place a capacitor instead of a ground wire screwed. Very simple to prove.

Cheers..

I

I have found really interesting this modified design with a capacitor instead of the turns done with the ground wire, and connecting the secondary to the primary from the outlet instead in the inlet.

The input is not affected when adding a load. Please watch the video.

Regards
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Kator01 on December 09, 2014, 05:53:04 PM
Hanon,

this design only demonstrates  a mag-amp-effect. The small shorted coil ( 160 t0 200 A) has the effect of saturating the torus-core.
Because of this the reluctance of the big coil is reduced drastically. Without shorting the loop-coil the reluctance of the big primary coil is so high ( 1- 2 Henry) that no active current is flowing but only reactive current. Without load and the small coil shorted the clamp-meter thus shows 0.9 A but what the clamp-meter does not show is the phase-shift between voltage and current. In this phase still only reactive power is oscillating although the inductance of the primary has dropped down ( by saturation) to about 0.1 Henry . Without the capacitor this would come close to a short circuit-situation.
Once you put on a load a respective active power ( and current ) is flowing into the load but still the clamp-meter can not distinguish between active and reactive current. You have a mixture of active and reactive power which does not exceed 115 Watt ( 115 V * 1 A )
There is no overunity effect here and certainly no current drawn from the ground.

I myself have done extensive continuous testing ( more than a year) with this kind of setup ( even without the capacitor) in order to dim loads up to 1 KW. Standard transductor technique dated back to 1930.
This guy has no clue what is going on in his setup

Regards

Kator
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Neo-X on December 10, 2014, 09:02:51 AM
Is this real replication?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Kator01 on December 10, 2014, 05:39:00 PM
Neo-X,

yes this guy demonstrates the principle which is not easy to discover because the complicated transformer and coil-setup obfuscates this.

It is stealing power and dangerous

I am not the moderator of this thread but I would close it.


Kator01
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 10, 2014, 06:46:08 PM
Hello @ ALL

Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the  gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!

It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal  system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator  closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!

my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.

Clarence

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 10, 2014, 07:17:05 PM
Is this real replication?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4)
It's an interesting experiment but in his country you bypass the meter. He says it's just stealing.
It does not work in the UK.  (I've tried it). In the UK the neutral is clamped to the earth.
He also did not show his earth rods at all.  It proves what I've suspected all along, that the
Barbosa Leal system is abstracting energy from the Brazilian grid, and the Brazilian government does not
want publicity about this fact or every shanty town in Brazil will steal energy.
If you want immediate free energy get yourself solar panels for now. They are free energy and coming down in price.
Or keep experimenting....
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheors on December 10, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
What happens if you separate earth from neutral with an isolation transformer ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pedroxime on December 10, 2014, 09:13:26 PM
Hi, I have been in Brazil several times and steal energy from the grid is the second most popular sport after football :D . They dont need an electron captor to steal , just a CAT-tor, they call to steal " to make a CAT" (fazer um gato in portuguese).
So its stupid to think someone (Barbosa-Leal) invented something to steal electricity cause it has been done without any captor. I think half of the population or more steal regularly energy ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 11, 2014, 06:14:10 PM
@cheors, as a.king21  said, in the UK the earth is the neutral the neutral is the earth clamped at both ends. There is only one live wire from grid, often a concentric cable is run to houses which has only one red conductor in the center then the outside is armoured  steel earthed, neutral is connected to this at the house and at the power station. Called PME.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 15, 2014, 02:00:04 AM
Time for new experiments. This is about a very strange behavior of a simple electric circuit. High voltage with nearly zero current attracts electrons from ground and passes them through a spark gap (that plasma jet melts ceramic). I don't think this behavior is completely in accordance with the textbooks.

Captor De Elétrons Da Terra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprHLd0tfZc)

It works also without the antenna, but then the spark is not that strong. Ground is not really necessary because there are a lot of free electrons already in the wires. Also there is not this violent sparking when the diode is shorted or the connected capacity is too high.

The high voltage transformer actually consists of ten small 230/24V transformers connected together. When that transformer is connected in step-down mode, a primary voltage of 234V generates 19.5V secondary voltage. Hence the ratio of that transformer is 1:12. So in step-up mode 302V input should generate 3624V RMS, that's 5110V peak-to-peak.

The length of the spark is 4 to 5mm, that implies a voltage of 4 to 5KV. This matches the roughly 5KV p-p coming from the transformer. What not matches is the high current obviously going through the spark gap. The 12V DC current coming from the battery is 3A without spark and around 4A with spark. This calculates to 4A times 12V equals 48W total power consumption.

Since the high voltage at the spark gap is around 3624V RMS this then calculates to 48W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.013A (13mA) at best. Not considered any power dissipation of the inverter and the transformer itself.

Now you decide if the current going through that ear-deafening spark gap is just around a maximum of 13mA or not rather a lot higher.

If we calculate just the 1A DC difference between spark and no spark, the calculation looks like this: 1A times 12V equals 12W. 12W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.0033A (3.3mA).

Now the counter calculation: Shorting the secondary of that high voltage transformer via a 270KOhm resistor (or even directly) in series with a spark gap means 3624V RMS divided by 270000 Ohm equals a current of 0.013A (13mA). That's the same 13mA value like calculated above, but I have to dim the lights in the room to see that faint tiny spark (almost noiseless) which is created by that 13mA/3624V RMS.

As it looks, this setup consists of a capacitor that provides high current with low voltage and a transformer that provides high voltage with low current. The result of this seems to be a mixture of high voltage with high current (amplification of power).

Any questions and suggestions?

Further readings:

The Work that is Created by Means of Potential Field - Alexander V. Frolov (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145171/)
Advanced Energy and Propulsion Systems based on Chronal Reaction Method - Alexander V. Frolov (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145172/)

By the way: Figure 5 seems to be the theory about the Perendev Magnet Motor; Figure 6 the theory about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG).
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pomodoro on December 15, 2014, 08:00:54 AM
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary??  I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 15, 2014, 02:42:24 PM
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 15, 2014, 03:50:20 PM
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary??  I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.

Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
The spark is the load. Replacing the spark with an incandescent lamp (high-ohmic) will not show anything unusual. That lamp then just shines dim and flickers. Maybe connecting an arc lamp is the better choice.
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: FatBird on December 15, 2014, 04:10:37 PM
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose
EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL


---->   A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic.
                                                                                                   .
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: pomodoro on December 15, 2014, 04:26:20 PM
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.
I would only trust that method of measurement if the power drawn from the spark  is greater than the quiescent no load input to the inverter. Not an easy thing to do as the capacitance of the metal object will only be a few pF.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: allcanadian on December 15, 2014, 06:13:33 PM
@Fatbird
Quote
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT
wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND
and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the
world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around
125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL
When I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 15, 2014, 08:46:27 PM
@FatbirdWhen I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC


ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: allcanadian on December 15, 2014, 11:44:22 PM
@Forest
Quote
ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?
Forest... I thought you knew me better than that.
AC
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 15, 2014, 11:54:28 PM
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.

Regards
Keith


Mine too - which my makes me think we're on to something, especially since my spark generator used little noticeable power to create.  ps Are you any good at fixing blown inverters? I've at least half a dozen.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: NickZ on December 16, 2014, 02:17:48 AM
  Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it.  Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.

  I can light a 25 watt bulb, here where is live, on just the one hot line from the grid, and outside earth ground. But, not a 100 watt bulb. A system that improves on that small source of power, and that could give more out than that, would be nice to know about. 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ElectricPirate on December 16, 2014, 03:16:28 AM
Guys dont waste your time on Barbosa and Leal patent. This is no difference in Kapanadze patent, full of words but have no detailed instruction and diagram how to build their device. If they really want to share their device to the people, they will make an instructional video or tutorial how to make one. Although they patented this in my opinion it is not yet fully disclosed. They patented this for their own interest. What they really want is to spread to the world that they built this amazing invention to capture the attention of many investors and help them to mass produce their device then sell it to the public. They dont really like anyone to replicate their device because if anyone can replicate it, who will buy they their product. This is all about money and not helping people.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 16, 2014, 04:51:58 AM
  Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it.  Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.

  I can light a 25 watt bulb, here where is live, on just the one hot line from the grid, and outside earth ground. But, not a 100 watt bulb. A system that improves on that small source of power, and that could give more out than that, would be nice to know about.


I did this experiment and found I had to wait for the ionic ground pathway to be formed. It was weird, watching an incandescent  light bulb flicker into life. After that I succeeded  in powering a 2 kw kettle. The ground needs to be wet though.  It was not free energy, and I found I was using half power. Weird.  I suspect it is because the neutral is grounded in the UK so I was using half the wave.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 16, 2014, 05:35:16 AM
Hello @ ElectricPirate and All,

Maybe this FULL INFO Kapanadze  item might lift your spirits to keep looking for an answer - I know I am busy as a beaver experimenting on B & L.
whenever I get something worth showing I will show it. Cheers.

Clarence, thanks.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ElectricPirate on December 16, 2014, 06:17:51 AM
Hello @ ElectricPirate and All,

Maybe this FULL INFO Kapanadze  item might lift your spirits to keep looking for an answer - I know I am busy as a beaver experimenting on B & L.
whenever I get something worth showing I will show it. Cheers.

Clarence, thanks.

That diagram is not 100% correct as this is only made by Jean Louis Naudin and not by Kapanadze.

This is the real Kapanadze patent and see how small information you can get http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Electromagnetic/Kapanadze/Kapanadze_Patent_WO_2008_103129_A1.pdf
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on December 16, 2014, 12:13:14 PM
Hello @ ALL

Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the  gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!

It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal  system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator  closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!

my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.

Clarence

Clarence

Clarence you have right , the base system work with DC and as i say in other posts the Barbosa patent only show Schematic concept like other inventors did.
People have to see the references in their patents to another inventors to understand how can possible capture electrons,and I can guarantee that it is possible but not like the Barbosa Schematic show.

About to ban this type of topic to be dangerous, seem at all naive to think that there are no serious risks associated with this type of circuits that are shown in this forum.
Everyone certainly are aware of this type of risk.
I could list more than 10 potentially dangerous topics that are currently discussed in this forum.

Thanks

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 16, 2014, 12:55:08 PM
@a.king21, I once powered my house for 6 months without neutral, used live to ground.  My earth leakage trip neutral connection burnt out (loose terminal) so I was busy and did not have a new box or time to change it.  Everything worked as normal including the meter readings.
PS. Large farmhouse and granny flat on the side both to a single phase 100 amp meter
PS. PS. I also have a dozen duff inverters

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2014, 02:45:15 PM
Maybe what is needed to avoid problems with the inverters, is to make your own step down transformer, connected too a full bridge rectifier, using the proper diodes, and some caps to filter it.  Or repair and improve the inverters that you already have.

This setup will also create a plasma bolt in the spark gap. The inverter is completely isolated from the high voltage. It was my first setup. So it is a little bit overcomplicated.

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ElectricPirate on December 16, 2014, 03:07:10 PM
I think i found the secret of Kapanadze.......
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MarkE on December 16, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
I think i found the secret of Kapanadze.......
The power cord?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 16, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
@ElectricPirate, interesting as I have heard it said that it is important to go from large diameter to small diameter with Tesla coils so the way the rod and tube is wired that is what is shown here, in Kapanadze device the thick copper earth wire could be acting as the rod,  thank's

Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 16, 2014, 04:42:49 PM
The power cord?

Yes, but how does Kapanadze get the power cord to the green box device in the garden and where is the supply located??
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 16, 2014, 07:52:49 PM
Hello @ ARIOVALDO
& ALL,

at the time of your excellent post of the Captor full info schematic with its beautiful and colored wiring details (magnificent job)
you stated that the toroid  details were still under investigation. I was wondering if you have possibly had time to complete that
investigation and maybe what the wiring details were. hope I didn't accidentally miss it. thanks again!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: MarkE on December 16, 2014, 08:20:42 PM
Yes, but how does Kapanadze get the power cord to the green box device in the garden and where is the supply located??
When someone reproduces the claimed results  without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 17, 2014, 03:30:42 PM
When someone reproduces the claimed results  without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.

Agreed but I don't see anyone bothering to do this and revealing the method, just to prove its easy to fake.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: nelsonrochaa on December 17, 2014, 05:02:08 PM
Hello ppl,

to some people in this forum all is fake ! :) It seems that the world joined to create circuits that serve only to deceive ...  lol
How is it possible to do analysis as targeted enforcement just looking a circuit through a video? I would also like to rely on this divine power!
There is no room for doubt! Only half a dozen people who seem to know everything!
Without observing the behavior of a circuit directly and yet is liable to be misled, we can not be so sure that is fake or not, Furthermore experimentation is part of the learning process.
People were expected to Kapanadze show all the details?
He also with the majority seeks his comfort zone $ most people feel the same!
Nicolas Tesla also did not specify to detail their work, and therefore their work is so misunderstood. How could it be possible now that people have learned some of his concepts if not through the trial? YES  WE NEED OBSERVE ! AND TRY ! and not let a formulated law can not be questioned and reformulated in favor of human good.There are no absolute truths!
I realize that people can defend points of view based on scientific facts, but history has shown us that these same acts has been revised at present, but that is part of the intellectual growth of man, learn from mistakes. The laws were made to be questioned and reformulated! After all we are human, and make mistakes when we try to do it the best!
I think it will be possible to say that even with the limited information that Kapanadze let out, most people in this forum along grew up and learned the expense of several attempts, and today ware 8 or 9 years after appear the first information I am sure that we all improve our knowledge or not?
And the cost of what ?                experimentation!                               This is called-have a purpose !!!.
OVERUNITY ? Forget for now !
We do focus on increasing the efficiency of existing energy conversion methods, because the energy is free and available in various forms and is present everywhere. A house does not begin to build the roof!
We have not even completely mastered the phenomenon of electromagnetism the more the electrostatic and see people only worry with Overunity! ?
Have you ever thought why the science of areas such as electrostatic was never properly exploited?
For ... is not measurable, and collectible $ as conventional electricity ... maybe yes maybe not ?
to think of ... Tesla, Moray and others thought ....

I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and good :) tests for everyone!

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 17, 2014, 05:26:29 PM
Hello @ NelsonRochaa,

WELL SAID SIR!
it is as if you were reading my mind.
thank you again!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 17, 2014, 05:26:45 PM
knowledge was used to create radio without saying it can be used to fix more important problems
120 years of shame  :-[
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 17, 2014, 05:28:49 PM
now they try to stop climate change with chemtrails
building on sand is looking for disaster always
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on December 17, 2014, 11:54:10 PM
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
 people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
 based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
 fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the  output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
 experiment was not done for public viewing  only to test possibilities.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 18, 2014, 10:08:32 AM
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
 people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
 based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
 fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the  output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
 experiment was not done for public viewing  only to test possibilities.

Yes, we do round in circles but although you did not show a video of your experiment, I think your results show that its more than likely that TK was passing current through the earth wire and grounding at the water pipe. Watsup was the first to point out the strange demeanour of the bearded man clutching the coil of cable throughout the green box video and even described how the power supply was probably connected to the coil. I've not seen a more plausible explanation and certainly nothing that gets anywhere close to convincing me that his device was a genuine self-runner. I guess that's how things will remain.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on December 18, 2014, 12:25:49 PM
Hello @ ALL

am waiting on materials to revise my OFF GRID battery - inverter- captor - rectificator B & L system.
while waiting I need to perfect my inverter neutral grounding system to a WORKING ground system.
Since the Utility Company Energy grid systems in most all countries DO ground their so called neutral leg to earth
at their origin Generating site, It is  also necessary for me to ground my inverter system to a totally separate earth
ground grid system of my own to be independent from their site. I already KNOW that my ground system has to be
a satisfactory distance AWAY from my mains system so as NOT to be directly influenced by it. you will notice I said DIRECTLY!
the earth is actually a pool resource for Many types of entities, oh well.

my inverter ground rod will be physically separate from my Captor ground rods, just as Mains grounding is distanced
from its generating site.

I want my results to rise or fall on their own merits so as not to have to keep correcting errors in order to get some good results.
just info to say where I am heading.
as they become available I will post the good results. I wont waste your time with any bad results.
Cheers!

Clarence 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ismael_34 on December 18, 2014, 08:15:09 PM

hello friends


     in this video I wanted to show the first curious experience I discovered when trying to


Barbosa replicate the system and Leal


    I have noticed that placing a driver shorted outside the nucleus of a


microwave transformer, the intensity in the non-power transformer


increased the least.


      SIN intensity Loopback is 2.27 amperes


  intensity WITH shorted loop is the same 2.27 amperes
 
  as you can see in the video I was putting different conductors shorted and


different sections, neither increase nor input amperage in the neutral or


either in phase


       All amperage increase to 147 amperes


      I think the voltage of each driver must be at zero volts when in


short, so if we calculate the volts by amps we Watts


   0 x 147 = 0 watts. the funny thing is that we have a current of 147 amperes


         I remember Don Smith said the voltage came out cheaper, after this


experiment could say that the current also has good price, lol




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE









Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on December 19, 2014, 10:27:31 AM
to Hoppy
I know wattsup real well, I was in a tpu thread for years with him, he has a tendency
if he can't figure out some device,he calls it a fraud,and thinks up a way to explain it,as a fake.
In the past he would enlarge pictures of tpu's and explain things from fuzzy pictures,the other members would tell him
 your seeing more than there is.
The point of the experiment was to see if there is another explanation for the clampmeters high current reading
if you stop the hv arcing the reading drops to zero,this was not recorded ,its a defect in the circuitry of this particular clampmeter
and Tariels clampmeter.
its very clear that high level pulses are induced into the coil carrying the ac in the greenbox video this
causes a digital voltmeter to cycle its reading  and it will effect the clampmeters ground current reading ,creating a false current reading.
I believe Tariel is aware of this and uses this in hes show to make people believe its a Tesla invention.As I told you before
 this video(greenbox) and 2004 video are useless
to figure out anything,theres also no information of the exact wattage of the lights used.
This experiment was not to show its a self runner,there is too little information for that,he could have done the demo with hidden batteries.
If there was no strangeness with the clampmeter then wattsup's explanation would be valid, however there is,so its unlikely a hidden grid connection
is how its done in my opinion,it could be hidden batteries.Most of the other devices Tariel made are useless to help in figuring out how they work if real, with the exception of the aquarium 2,the green transformer in combination with the blue coil form a special circuit and there are other details missed,I believe it holds the answer to all hes devices operation and construction.This is the direction of my investigations,I have got a few of the green type of transformers from Russia,they were extensively used from 1970's to 1980's,very different construction from the standard ones used in the US.
A certain amount of people will believe its real,a certain amount of people will believe its fake.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 19, 2014, 02:32:16 PM
@ismael_34, thanks for info from UK, Merry Christmas. I will get experimenting.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 19, 2014, 04:35:03 PM
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 19, 2014, 04:37:56 PM
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4)


And then look up Thane Heins and Melnichenko.  It could be the answer.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: ismael_34 on December 19, 2014, 10:44:11 PM



         captainkt  ;)




                   equally friend happy Holidays for you and your family




                   Greetings from Spain  ;)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on December 20, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
To a.king21
 I seen the video,looks possibly correct,on Thane Heins
when I originally came to overunity.com,I replicated the thane device exactly
it is not overunity,but interesting,learned of it from the peakoil.com web site they carry all sorts of stories
related to oil and sometimes free energy.On Melnichenko this guy is super rich,I don't know on hes device,however
when a device differs from a certain direction I'm suspicious of it or if it employs high frequencies,Tariel's devices use low frequency,line frequency,
this uses much higher frequencies.Tariels devices generate massive amounts energy,so it may be real or maybe fake,no in betweens,when a device generates a small
 apparent increase over unity,it always turns out to be a mistake in measurements,I have seen at least a hundred cases of this.
When you set the conditions on the aquarium 2 device's construction,it forced to Tariel to design a device in a different way
than past devices.When I asked if you had a HR picture taken of the green transformer from directly above it,here is the reason.There are tiny wires added by Tariel
on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 20, 2014, 11:51:03 AM
Cheappower2012: Thanks for your input, I will check my files to see If there's more detail on the green trafo.
I would like to point out however that Tariel uses very high frequency in his devices.
The only way I think he could have faked it is if he used Tesla's transmission of energy patents and applied them to a scaled down version.
Tesla also recommended high frequencies.
Meanwhile Naudin claims a successful replication of Thane Heins here: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE03en.htm)
 
I must admit this device looks a bit like one of Figuera's coil systems.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: captainkt on December 20, 2014, 12:14:07 PM
@all, some wires must be there to confuse as on the left side of green trafo all 3 coils are strapped with red wires and strapped again with white wire.

Regards
Keith
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 20, 2014, 01:08:39 PM
There are tiny wires added by Tariel on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.

Its certainly very strange even if its not a fake. Its bold of you to suggest that these thin black wires are there to perform an important function, when we don't even have a shot to show if they go anywhere, other than just stuck onto the casing to act as decoys. The whole think looks more like a joke to me!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 20, 2014, 06:40:21 PM
If we fiddle around a bit with Frolov's (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145171/) Avramenko plug illustration, then what do we have? A source of potential changes (a HV coil) with two Avramenko plugs, one on each side, one acting as antenna for the other? Hmmm ...

So this results in having four diodes. Four diodes makes one diode bridge. A diode bridge generates pulsed DC out twice the frequency of the AC in. The modulation frequency of a parametrically excited oscillation should be twice its natural frequency. Hmmm ...

Just considering ...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on December 21, 2014, 12:11:51 PM
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
 it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.
I have built a hardware model of 2 of the transformer sections,its a depiction of the operation of  this device,
 the electrical operation only,it works,its easy to simulate,not so easy to figure out,this sets
some conditions the device needs to operate,I will try to post a more advance model sometime in the near future simulating
all sections with details why and how.
You have to keep in mind there are two things here ,one is the electrical construction of the device,second the
process creating the overunity effect.You are correct a top view of the transformer is needed,however one may not exist so I have to guess where
the wires connect based on the simulation and other information I have.The present goal is to
 gather enough information to attempt a replication of a
simple version of the device, there is no construction information about Tariels device to replicate anything,the construction
information here ,comes from members trying to replicate other peoples devices that claim they figured out Tariels secret,totally crazy and silly.The members here attempting to replicate these fake devices are not silly or crazy,its the people that made the claim that they were real that are.

Tariel does not want any one to figure this out,hes aware
that people will simply steal it and claim they invented it,under the delusion they will make
a billion dollars.There are a few hard line skeptics in here that have no moral compass and
would steal the information to profit from instantly if they could.
 Its a very low tech device,
you simply can't sell it,patent it or make money from it,Tariel is fully aware of this.
I know your highly skeptical and you should be given the vast number of phony devices
that keep coming up.At one time I believed Tariel was simply a conman pushing a fake device
I still believe hes a conman of sorts,but I believe hes devices could be real
and its very important to investigate hes devices.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on December 21, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
there is nothing magical about this methods
explained many times by Tesla
by Tom Bearden
by Tito here on forums


you take a capacitor charge and discharge that's all
look at Bearden degenerative semiconductor circuit picture, replace it with low esr electrolytic capacitor and that's your device
however the engeneering job, experience in building , adjusting, fixing, controlling output voltage, current, protecting from overload , from overcurrent ,from overvoltage,from broken parts (it can explode capacitors for example) is precious ! I really don't understand Georgia people. Give Tariel comfortable life and future for his family and him teach you and will be fine. You have so incredible talented person there and what you did !? that's the greedy world
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 21, 2014, 03:31:19 PM
To Hoppy
If I got into how exactly I believe Tariels device works
 it would be too much,far too crazy.I have a crude model of the operation of the device on how the overunity effect
is created,which I'm refining,it does work,it explains other devices Tariel has made,its going
to be used as a guide in replicating a simple version.Keep in mind its not a free energy device,
but an energy converter,a solar panel is an energy converter,it converts light energy into
electrical energy,the difference in this device is
the energy source is unknown, the energy density is much greater,how the conversion to electrical
energy is done is very different.


Cheappower, thanks for your added comments.

I will hazard a wild guess based on what a.king21 told us about TK's device operating at very a high frequency and high voltage, that it may be possible that he discovered a way to illuminate the lamps using a plasma effect created by high voltage and high frequency, making the lamps look bright at a relatively low energy level derived from batteries and an inverter. This being much the same as compact flouro lamps give high light output at low power consumption. I suggest this is only applicable to the box devices because I firmly believe that the Aqua2 device was faked because TK had to build with conditions set by a.king21 and could not have powered a 2KW fire with the method I'm guessing he used for his box devices. This would render the box devices as virtually useless for commercial production. Anyway, whatever method he used, probably did not rely on energy derived directly from the grid, for the valid reasoning you gave in an earlier post, so a battery operated device would be more likely, albeit offer no real interest commercially. More information on the type of lamps used would be of help here. I have found that halogen lamps can be driven effectively at HV / HF.

What I think we can be reasonably sure of, is that as you suggest, an energy conversion applies here and that the source energy level is considerable and very likely not free.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 21, 2014, 04:50:16 PM
If we want to measure the amperes of pulsed DC (e.g. output of a diode bridge) then should the clamp meter be set to AC or to DC? Hmmm ...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: free power 777 on December 21, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Hello everyone.

Concerning this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qsnEchKlc8&index=13&list=PL86OtVC_1KJHeRn0zvSfnNrtOOh02zOYD

look closely at the connections on the output of the PWM and what is  passing in the ampmeter ...  ::)

Sorry for the translation !

best regards.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 21, 2014, 08:57:25 PM
Hoppy:  I once teased Tariel that his device used high voltage and high frequency. His reply was that he agreed with me regarding the high frequency but NOT the high voltage.
Upon investigating his devices I think he was telling the truth. I am becoming more and more convinced that any sparks was and is eye candy designed to throw us off. If he had used high voltage in the aquarium2 my team would have surely sensed it in the earth braid, which was uninsulated. High voltage  also may have interfered with their mobile phones. There was no interference at all.
When the earth lead was disconnected there were no sparks either. The highest voltage the device goes to is in over voltage protection and that is probably in the 1 kv range.  In my experiments with spike back emf I noticed that the higher the frequency, the lower the voltage.
In the 2004 video, the spark gap could have been produced with something like European mains voltages ie no higher than say 350 volts at peak.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 21, 2014, 09:01:42 PM
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia.  The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw.  I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest  in the UK were 150 watt lamps.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: cheappower2012 on December 22, 2014, 12:06:33 AM
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch  possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
 are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
I asked a Georgian friend about the type of lamps in use in Georgia.  The were at that time mostly old Soviet incandescent lamps rated at 1 kw.  I was surprised at that, but I was assured that they are quite common in that part of the world.
The highest  in the UK were 150 watt lamps.

Thanks for this info which I think rules out my wild guess that the lamps a bit special.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 01:19:16 PM
To a.king21
Good going on the light bulbs,this sets the power generated by the 2004 and green box devices.
I believe you on the bulbs,they must have a lot of fires caused by this of type bulb,they must get very hot.
Heres a question on the aquarium 2,video,in most Kapanadze video's,it shows the start up of the device.
In the aquarium 2, the video is started after it turns on,there appears to be 2 push button type of switches
and another switch  possibly a turn on/off switch.What sequence is the starting.I believe he uses
two of the 12vac windings on the transformer to start.One way would be the the son/off switch is turned to on,and the push buttons
 are pushed at the same time,until it starts.Also is there any HR pictures with a side view of the transformer
this would show if he glued the small wires or drilled a small hole or slipped them under the frame of the top.


The device was started with a 9 volt pp3 type battery. He simply touched it onto the terminals and then the device started.
I've had a look at those  black "wires" and conclude that they are the result of poor manufacturing, and could well be shadows.
I'll see if I've a side view.
My gut is that TK uses  a BITT type of device at high frequency to deliver the output. Even if he was wiring in (cheating) I cannot account for the lack of heat or lack of ventilation holes to deliver 2 kw for 4 and a half hours without a break.
We have to be scientific here and figure out the size of trafo you need.
My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts.  A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
 It was really spooky, if you think about it.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 01:41:38 PM

My understanding is that the size of trafo is dependant on the frequency. ie 50 hz equals European standards, but you can power a resistive load at any frequency provided you have the watts.  A high frequency would therefore lower the size of the trafo you need.
This "proves" what Tariel said to me to be correct ie that his device uses high frequency and not high voltage.
When the team looked at his device at the end there was no heating on the aquarium 2 box whatsoever.
 It was really spooky, if you think about it.

The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 01:47:16 PM
The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.


Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 01:58:52 PM

Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.

I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 22, 2014, 04:57:24 PM
I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?
No readings were taken.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 22, 2014, 05:34:27 PM
No readings were taken.

Thanks for your reply.

This is a very interesting link just posted on the Dally thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I)

Might make some sense of the use of a 3-phase transformer.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 22, 2014, 09:40:19 PM
Here the one and only three-phase capacitor is hard-wired in delta-formation. So there is not too much choice in the method of connection. All three secondaries of the transformer next to it are open (N/C) but configured in star-formation. Hence there is a certain chance that the three connected primaries are also in star-formation. That leads to the wiring assumption below.

Now connect the remaining transformer (two cable lugs here are also N/C) and maybe a few diodes (Avramenko plugs) to that arrangement.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 23, 2014, 09:21:20 AM
No readings were taken.

That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on December 23, 2014, 02:15:39 PM
That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.


The "not allowing measurements" bit related to the second device we commissioned. This was either 10 kw or 20 kw I cannot remember which. (I did not specify it, which is a pity). Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 23, 2014, 06:48:14 PM

Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.

Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit. After all, he had no problem allowing one to be used on the green box device setup. Maybe there was no electric field strong enough to interfere with an accurate reading taken off the earth cable.  ;D
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 24, 2014, 03:50:10 AM
Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit.
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.

Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...

So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Hoppy on December 24, 2014, 10:20:24 AM
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.

Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...

So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.

I doubt that TK used the braid off the coax-cable. Looks too intact. He probably used a tubular braid supplied in rolls.

Yes, I suppose it could be an antenna connected to a powerful radio TX.  ;D

Merry Xmas
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 06, 2015, 09:29:48 PM
Clarence:

@ ALL,

just  some GOOD news about my B&L replication. I decided awhile back to use the 00 diagram from our site
since it MOST agreed with the patent specs and info and also information from Utopia Now on his Prezi site.
after implementing the 00 diagram in my build I did encounter several problems with the diagram that kept
it from working. after several days of thought and testing I was finally able to get the complete build working!
AND it DOES work JUST like B&L said it would !!!!!

Before I send any photos of it working (I dont and wont have any YOU TUBE videos - not my bag! all I do is photos!)
I have two small issues to tweak on the Ground Grid System. YES I said ground grid SYSTEM! which is the same thing
B&L said and PJK said in his explanation of their device on his site. fortunate for myself I REMEMBERD those words.
I have attached the corrected version of the 00 diagram (BTW many and great THANKS to him- he deserves it for all
of his help and efforts!) as it shows EXACTLY how I constructed that part of the working device.

just brief info of items in the build:

a Tripp Litte P-15 (rectificator) power supply 13.8V
4 ea 7AH 12v F1 batt as a battery bank
an AIMS 1000Wconstant/2000Wsurge inverter ( going to change to 2000W like B&L used)
2 ea 300D Toroid 120V-2A Primary ONLY (winding covers only 160 degrees area of toroid)
2 ea #4 AWG self wound coils on toroid as secondary (joined correctly as CAPTOR loop)
3 ea 1/2 inch copper ground rods
2 ea 50 ft rolls #6AWG ground wire
22 ft #2 AWG (household insulated stranded) for ground wire
50 ft #10 AWG tinned stranded for circuits and batt harness etc.
a few large sheilded terminal strips for circuit connections
4 ea #4 split bolt connectors

I tested so far with a 250 watt - 8.3 amp red heat lamp. plus it operated the rectificator and
the system batt array at a constant 12.4 v plus the Invertor and toroids of the Captor loop.
as long as the batt array was kept in the closed circuit the system DID maintain itself,
however when I switched the battery array out of the system the system did die. so far it is
not a self runner. I believe I know how to cure that, but that will part of my tweaks I will be
making.

cheers to all,
Clarence

By The Way: just click on the jpg shown and you can see a smaller view of the attachment.

I just had to correct the attachment points from the input toriod  to the  output toriod - the
#4 AWG wires cannot cross from one side of the toroid to other side of the next toriod.
sorry for the missdrawing! you can get dizzy just looking!

sorry all!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: madddann on January 07, 2015, 09:40:12 PM
Hello Clarence!

I have a few questions if you could please answer:

1: do you mean you are running the setup isolated from the power grid, only on batteries?

2: is your system looped - batteries -> inverter -> 2 toroids and ground system -> power supply -> back to batteries?

3: what kind are those batteries VRLA?

4: for how long did you run the setup?

5: did you measure the voltage at the 250Wred heat lamp?

6: how big are your torroids?

7: could you please make a better scheme as I can't figure out where (and how) the load is connected, and the power supply also...

Sorry for so many questions, I just want to get it right (along with all the others on the forum) hopefully you will have the time to answer.
Can't wait for the pictures!

Wish you good luck and happy experimenting!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 08, 2015, 03:46:43 AM
Clarence:

Hello madddann,

I will answer your questions by your numbers:

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. PowerSonic PS1270 12volt 7Amp hour - sealed lead acid, from E-Bay.
4. 1 hr.
5. Input voltage to the system from the inverter was 116.2 but the voltage back
    from the Ground Grid was lower at 90 + volts which is why my system is down right now
    so I can tweak the input wire size to the Ground System to match the return wire size of #6 AWG.
    I had used a #10 wire size on the input which I believe caused a resistive  difference and caused
    the difference in voltage. I intend to do whatever it takes to overcome the difference.
    However it did not really dim the light as far as I could tell nor the heat - was hot as hell and
    could not be touched.
    also the lower voltage did not affect the operation of the rectificator (power supply) as far as I could tell.
6. the toroids were termed 300D by the supplier. OD = 4 1/2", ID = 2 1/2", H = 1 1/2".
7. When I send the photos after tweaking you can see exactly how the system is wired and you
can easily draw your own schematic -  its very plain to see.

As I said before this system has NOTHING to do with a Commercial Utility Grid at all. It is totally
separate unto itself.

cheers,

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 08, 2015, 01:07:41 PM
Clarence:

Hello @ ALL,

before I can send  photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters  like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 08, 2015, 01:47:19 PM
Clarence:

Hello @ ALL,

before I can send  photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters  like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.

Clarence


Import your photos into windows paint. Remove any borders and save as a jpeg. Then you can attach these photos and upload them to this site. 
You can also alter the size of the photos in windows paint if necessary.  Try to keep the photos less than 200k.
You can check your new photos in windows photo gallery. If they look OK there then they will be fine on this site.


Good luck.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 08, 2015, 03:22:17 PM
Clarence:

Hello a.king21,

thanks greatly for your kind info.
I will do as suggested.

Thanks again!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 09, 2015, 05:16:12 AM
Clarence:

Hello madddann & All, this is an attempt at getting a photo copy thru as an
attachment. parts have not come in to finish tweaking my B&L build so in the meantime
I thought I would try to get a photo thru without the unit in operation anyway.
LOL hopefuly.

Clarence

AGAIN: Just click on the JPG number and it will download a smaller picture you can look at also.
I should show up for you to click to open on the bottom left of you computer screen. LOL
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 09, 2015, 06:35:36 AM
Downsized file. Open in paint,  click on image, change to 25% vertical and 25% horizontal then do a save.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 09, 2015, 07:51:42 AM
Wow! It looks so much like Don Smith pictures from old times  :o
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 09, 2015, 11:57:36 AM
Clarence:

Hello @ a.king21,

thanks again! I did like you said before but everytime I tried something in paint it just wound up screwed up.
my actual real photos are in my (which are really nice) are in my Windows live Photo Gallery but I couldn't
find a way to extract them from there as an attachment to ANY site so I just gave up and printed a COPY
which is what you see and saved that to my desktop and sent that to get on with it!

now if I can extract my real photos from Windows live Photo Gallery to paint I will do the 25% thing and save
as you say and post the other views.
Hopefully!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 09, 2015, 07:54:22 PM
Clarence:

Hello @ All, just a test to see if this actual photo shows up correctly

LOL!

Clarence


HOORAY NOW I know how to send the rest of photos later!!!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 11, 2015, 08:32:25 PM
Clarence:

@ALL

Just another try at another actual photo.
LOL

Clarence

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: madddann on January 12, 2015, 12:14:03 AM
Hi Clarence!

That's really a nice clean setup.
That green twisted wire at the inverter output is just the inverter's grounding cut off right?
I have no more questions :D

I just wish you luck with your tweaks!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: e2matrix on January 12, 2015, 01:05:35 AM
Clarence,  Nice work!   PM sent.   For anyone having issues on the occasional 'too wide' pictures that show up in threads I suggest you get Opera Browser in the older version 12.17 or there abouts.  Install,  click on small triangle in the lower right corner of the browser and when the little menu pops up click "Fit to Width"  - DONE!   It all fits on your screen without making the text smaller and wraps all the text that went off screen so it fits nicely on your page along with the picture being resized down to fit your screen.   
A high efficiency inverter may be of help in this setup for tweaking the best out of it.  The Trace / Xantrex I've got is spec'd at 96% efficient and from some results I've seen with it over the years may be even better than that.   
On looking at the claimed specs for the AIMS inverter I see it's not bad if it achieves what it claims.   One I looked at (not sure if it's the same used here ) 1000 watt Aims has 95% efficiency at 1/3 load but only 90% at full load.   Not too bad but I'll bet a Trace inverter will be higher. 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 12, 2015, 02:46:23 AM
Hi Clarence!

That's really a nice clean setup.
That green twisted wire at the inverter output is just the inverter's grounding cut off right?
I have no more questions :D

I just wish you luck with your tweaks!

Clarence:

Hello madddann,

You are correct sir -  later I will re-learn haw to safety ground my inverter APART from my replication GROUND GRID SYSTEM.

thanks.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 04:00:19 PM
Clarence:  Which country do you live in?
Have you done any more tests with your setup, and if so what are the results?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 12, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
Clarence:  Which country do you live in?
Have you done any more tests with your setup, and if so what are the results?

Hello a.king21,

I live in USA. my larger # 6AWG ground wire hasnt come in yet - probably by Jan 14th, so I
havn't done any more testing yet. maybe more testing by end of this week. rest assured
I will post results. I'm as anxious as everyone else!
thanks to all!

BTW: I have built the single toroid Captor unit and just ran it by batt-invertor-toroid at idle only
and it uses .41amps on the toroid at 34 watts at 116.2 volts from the inverter. on the #4AWG captor 
4 ea windings (only one winding passes through the toroid center) the clamp meter amp measure
initially shows 126.9 but after about 5 minutes settles down to 115+ amps. was running a little warm
so I tried something I remembered from my past observations of this past many months!
I knew the "Gravel" Alvarado talked about was actually Quartz crystal fragments and I had obtained some
so I set the built unit in a clear large Glad type container and covered it completely with the quartz
fragments. the temperature on the windings cooled down. I guess it works as a convienient heat sink.
I know that ORGONE followers use the crystals to thwart the presence of unwanted EMF s to help negate them
LOL for now.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 12, 2015, 08:48:46 PM
Clarence: Great info and looking forward to your progress. By any chance are you from the Upper Midwest of The USA?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 12, 2015, 09:19:02 PM
Clarence: Great info and looking forward to your progress. By any chance are you from the Upper Midwest of The USA?

Hello a.king21,

Clarence:

No - I am an old 77yr white bearded Coon Ass from Iowa, Louisiana! HA HA.

BTW: I just had to cancel my ground wire order - they were out of stock and wouln't have any for 2 to 3 wks so I canceled
and found some Green #6 AWG at PacerGroup Wire Co. out of Florida- should be here by end of week. thats life!

Thanks!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tesletic on January 12, 2015, 10:07:11 PM
Hi Clarence, your doing a great job, any link to get schematics and or a part list ? Best regards, Gery  ;)  http://tesletic.com/
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Spokane1 on January 12, 2015, 10:48:28 PM
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Spokane1 on January 12, 2015, 10:51:36 PM
jpg version of the same circuit
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 12, 2015, 11:39:57 PM
Here is a schematic that you can mark up and I shall then correct so that we can all properly archive your fine work.
My focus is on the Gray technology, however I find some very interesting correlations with the B & L circuit. These are:
1. A "Captor Loop" configuration
2. A source of mobile charge carriers (Gray's team used batteries)
3. Two independant opposing taps from seperate transformers driven in parallel
4. High COP at high power densities (This was verified at Cal-Tech for Gray's circuit)
5 Very similiar kinds of components (However Gray did employ a spark gap)
Gray's team used higher voltages and were working in pulse mode
Spokane1

Clarence:

Hello Spokane1,

You did excellent! Go for it! by the time you get through with your build you will have an outlay of
approx a 1000.00 usd. I am using the 1000 watt Aims inverter now but I am going to replace it with an
Xantrex 2000 watt inverter because thats the size B&L themselves used in their 6000 watt demo and they
 also used a BOSCH S4 12vbattry! I used 4 0f the 12v 7AH batt because for the time being it was cheaper
 and LIGHTER! the Bosch batt weighs about 40 lb! but it is definitely a high AH unit. good luck and cheers!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: tesletic on January 13, 2015, 12:14:31 AM
STAR SISTEMA TRANSFORMADOR DE AMPLIFICACION RESONANTE HIBRIDOR ! Has anybody tried this one !? It looks a bit crappy setup but never the less it is working ! 

http://youtu.be/E0bOK7ChwbQ (http://youtu.be/E0bOK7ChwbQ)
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 13, 2015, 12:34:54 AM
Clarence:  I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.


I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 13, 2015, 01:50:42 AM
Clarence:  I checked the power system for Iowa Lousiana and it appears to be a conventional 3 wire system which is encouraging.
In other parts of the USA they use SWER, which is discouraging for obvious reasons.


I think you should repeat your experiments to ensure consistency, if possible.
Great work so far.

Clarence:

Hello a.king21,

Yes I know my rural residential mains system is not SWER. Also working with grounded systems
on this 64 acre cattle farm I manage for my son and daughter in law speaking with respect to fence
hot wire systems which will power up to 50 miles of fence hot wire - their explicit systems TELL YOU
not to ground ANY hotwire system CLOSER THAN 20 ft to ANY MAINS ground rod as it would be
possible to pickup the mains voltage with its higher amperage and add to the 10,000v @ 0.020amp
fence charger circuit and KILL the live stock that came in touch with the fence hot wire! having that
knowledge before hand I knew that I had to keep my Inverter SWER System as FAR as possible from
my residential mains ground rod! I did locate my inverter SWER system 45 ft away from my mains ground!
so I feel that I am not picking up relatively anything from my mains system! there's that word again ---RELATIVELY !
as I said before there are MANY entities that are involved in the earth as a ground! Lightning-Commercial
power Utility Companies- Solar systems- fence hot wire systems (lots in this part of the country)-ETC.
I believe my inverter SWER Ground Grid System is as much a separate system unto it self as possible!
I intend to retest with the 250 watt heat lamp as soon as I have my ground system updated. I am down until then.
I intend to run all my tests for an hours length of time for consistency as you say.
Thanks again a.king21. I do appreciate your encouragement and posts!

Cheers,LOL

Clarence 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 17, 2015, 06:58:14 PM
Clarence:

Hello a.king21 & all,

I received my new 6AWG wire and installed in the input ground rod leg and it did not make any difference
in the voltage available to the system with no load at idle. still only 90 volts before system looped. however
when I looped the system as batt-inverter-toroids-power supply-back to batt  the batt voltage went
from 12.4 to 12.1 volts and the load system voltage to the power supply dropped from 90 volts to 77.1 volts
when the 250 watt light was was plugged in. the batt voltage went down to 12 volt also. after 10 minutes into the run
withe the 250 watt light fully lit the batt voltage droped to 11.9 volt and the voltage supply for the power supply dropped
under 77.1 volts and the power supply shutdown by itself!

I immediately pulled the bulb and the power supply came back on with the batt voltage at 11.9 volt and
I let the looped system run the rest of the hour period to see if it would at least maintain itself - and it did - but unloaded.
the batt voltage remained at  11.9 volts.

I asked my self what to hell was different this time from the last time I tested and the 250 light ran at 12.4 volts
with the system looped. the only thing I keep coming up with is the fact that it has rained a lot here for the last two weeks
 and this last Monday they put up a oil rig just a little over a quarter of a mile from my house and have been drilling!
A drill casing and drill pipe are one gigantic ground rod and the drill stem actually becomes radioactive in the process.
all of that would definitely play hell with my three little ground rods.

All of this experience has SHOWN me that this basic build as I have it DOES work! the FACT that it DOES maintain itself unloaded
is its own evidence! the fact that it maintains itself at a STEADY batt voltage shows that it is harnessing some extra energy from the GROUND!
Though at the present time the amount harnessed is SMALL ---so is my GROUND GRID SYSTEM!!!!! and that has made itself clear to me.

the Grid system that B&L recommended was a 40 rod 30 meter by 50 meter lay out! not my puny little 3 rod attempt. but it has been a
learning event and I know which way to go! I need a larger Inverter (2000/4000surge) - I need a larger AmpHour batt 12volt (93AH) -
and I need to have a better and more productive GROUND GRID SYSTEM.
And isn't that what this system is supposed to be about-----ENERGY FROM THE GROUND!

Thanks to all members for your attention and kindness!!!!

Onward,  Clarence!

BTW: when I have achieved a better working GROUND GRID SYSTEM I WILL post to you all those results! Thanks Again!
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: leo48 on January 17, 2015, 07:09:57 PM
Hello Clarence

 If you have a low output voltage tries to increase one wound
 a secondary coil of the first transformer maybe too but you
have a reference ..

 Leo48
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 17, 2015, 09:36:40 PM
Clarence:

Hello leo48,

I don't want to change any of the balance in my two toroids with their two windings on each of their secondaries.
prior to putting ANY load on the circuit to the power supply which IS a load the circuit to the power supply
shows 116.2 volts which is exactly the same as the inverter is putting out. its when you attach a Load of any type that the
circuit having its neutral leg supplied by the return from the ground grid that the voltage drops to 90 volts (about +-).
that's an indication to me that the Ground Grid System with just the three ground rods just doesn't have enough bang for the buck!

But while thinking it over- the return ground wire which is wrapped around the looped secondary is just looped 
once as shown in all theirpatent info drawings-I might just loop it twice or three times just for the hell of it and see
if it makes any difference. that would be easy to do and undo it it doesn't make any improvement. Ill try!

Cheers,

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: forest on January 18, 2015, 12:57:30 PM
Hello Clarence


I've heard that ground may be replaced by car battery. It may be interesting to check if you have old sulfated batteries. Just be careful, Edwin Gray used deep cycle marine battery and he mentiond they often exploded.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 18, 2015, 01:35:16 PM
Clarence:

Hello forest,

I follow your thinking. THANKS much!!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Spokane1 on January 20, 2015, 11:05:26 PM
Dear Clarance,
I have explored the Gray technology extensivly and forest brings up a good point about the idea of using a battery to replace the grounding network. He is correct in reporting that the Gray team had problems in the early 70's with exploding batteries. However that issue was resolved by 1976. The risk you face with your system and a battery is probably very minimual since the Gray technology was applying 1 mS 600Amp pulses to their battery array.
I have read in the Tesla documents theat the master stated that either the negative of a battery or a grounding system could be used to connect the low end of his radiant energy transmitter. He said that a ground was easier.
If the Barbosa & Leal technology requires an extensive grounding network that is composed of 30 to 40 grounding rods then I doubt that their work would find much application in the Western world. If it proves to be technically viable then it might be a god-send for 3rd world countires with low population densities and lots of land.
I would certainly love to hear about the impact of the grounding system being replaced with a wet-cell battery. I have attached my best guess as to how this would be connected to your system. Other topologies are possible as well. Didn't the B&L team already produce a video on this same subject?
By the way, the Gray technology employed two (somethimes three) battery banks from the very beginning. One was for the excitation power supply while the other served some vital part in the non-classical conversion process. The "Backend" battery was discharged in the process of operation and needed to be recharged from an external source. The OU of this system was torque and not a direct electrical output.
Spokane1
 
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 21, 2015, 05:06:38 AM
Clarence:

Hello Spokane1,

If anyone wants to try a battery instead of a ground system go ahead!
their safety will not be impaired if they take whatever battery they want to use
(900 cold crank- high amp hour automotive suggested)
and convert it from a lead acid battery which could explode to a ALUM CRYSTAL BATTERY that John Bedini
perfected which would not explode! the electrolyte is just plain old grocery store ALUM in the spice area!
It is mixed with distilled water from the grocery store also! You can type in to your search engine this wording--:
Conversion Of A Dry-Charge Lead Acid Battery To An Alum Crystal Cell Battery  John Bedini  . his video gives
all the necessary information to accomplish this! When I purchase my new LARGER battery to replace my array
of 4 small 7AH batteries that is what I intend to do. they Charge faster than regular batteries so my
Tripp Lite power supply should be able to handle the job for sure.

tommorrow I will obtain all the rods with clamps (9 of each) to enlarge my Ground Grid System.
I will also buy 100 ft of direct burial #10 - 2 -with gw  wire to connect everything as necessary.
the three wires in the cable I will lump together as three #10 AWG strands. and should serve the purpose.
totals about another 200.00 USD. oh well !

what I intend to construct will be a 16 foot circle diameter having 8 rods in its perimeter ( the #8 rod NOT being
connected back to the #1 rod so that the system stays open ended )  for the return side and 1 (one)
rod at the very center for the input.  this will give approximately 6 feet between each perimeter rod. being space limited
this will give me a 9 rod system for my first increase in my system.
If I need to increase further - I can keep going in the same direction and add 1 or 2 or 3 more circle units as need for
a total of 64 feet.  5+ meters by 21+ meters.

I have done a lot of testing and retesting of my whole system. I have determine that the actual input to the ground
system IS 116.2 volts.The voltage across the input rod to the two return rods is 0.10 volts. at present that is all that
is coming back through the return ground system leg!!! that is why the voltage across the LINE PHASE and the GROUND NEUTRAL
falls drastically when ANY LOAD is placed across THAT CIRCUIT. one leg is supplying 116.2 volts and the other leg is only supplying
0.10 volts. I would fall on my ass too if one of my legs was normal and the other was an INCH short and had to carry a load - even
just my own body.

So its back to the name of the game AGAIN!  ENERGY FROM THE GROUND _GROUND _ GROUND!
ONWARD, Clarence!   
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Cadman on January 21, 2015, 02:34:27 PM
Clarence,

Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.

Thanks
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 21, 2015, 05:08:57 PM
Clarence,

Could you tell us if the high amperage current in your captor loop is an AC current? I know it can't be used directly but that isn't what I have in mind.

Thanks

Clarence:

Hello Cadman,

I use a Fluke 323 true rms meter and yes the current in the loop system is AC!
To answer your question I just restarted my system with the 250 watt bulb plugged in
and the current on the loop was 1.4 amps AC.
the voltage on the powered circuit TO THE 250 watt BULB was 84.2 volts at 1.58 amps
(with full voltage  the amperage would be around 2.2 amps +-) showing on my Kill -a- Watt meter
the bulb was plugged into. at idle with NO load the LOOP AC VOLTAGE reads normally 1.4 AC amps
anyway - so the bulb load on its powered circuit DID NOT INCREASE the LOOP AC amperage!

Glad to help.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mscoffman on January 21, 2015, 08:11:30 PM
Hi Clarence,

Here are some suggestions I have in helping you tune up your system.

(1) You say your circuit: "It works with batteries but doesn't work closed loop"
This is not correct because closed loop means: "contains suffient electrical storage
capacity to overide any loop instability". Your batteries provide this but you need
additional storage when the batteries are not present, so what you should
do is provide a supercapacitor always on the circuit between your inverter
and your 12VDC power supply. A 16Vdc supercapacitor would be available
at an automobile audio shop where they install high power 1KW audio amplifiers into
car audio systems. The supercapacitor has much more capacity then the electrolytics
in the powersupply but much less capacity then the batteries have.

(2) I would recommend a 120VAC Variac Variable autotransformer before your 12VDC power
supply so you can adjust the input voltage to the power supply up or down. This will allow
allow you to manually tune the system to optimal voltage levels and give yourself more
running margin.

Variac looks like  this, the red device in this farmhand picture from post #527:

http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/135206/

Farmhand's variac is 240VAC you may want a 120Vac Variac for your system.


(3) A second variac could be used as a power spliter where you divide the total systems
power between two different AC pathways. The second pathway might be used to power
a second 12VDC supply to run a grid intertie inverter. Variac transformers because of the
way they are wired do not provide galvanic isolation. But you could purchase a 1:1 120VAC
input 120VAC output turns ratio transformer of adquate Kvar rating to ground isolate the
second pathway so the grid intertie inverter would have it's own seperate ground system
in the intertie (shouldn't influence other parts of the circuit).

Thus, it would really be sweet to see extra power actually going out to the grid from your
ground tuned up system. You would manualy set the second Variac just high enough so that
the supercapacitor voltage isn't discharging.

---

In effect your system would be a rather rare example of a self running system ouputting
all extra power to the grid, sort of independent of where the energy comes from. Once
started by batteries they are switched off and don't contribute to system energy.

Good Luck!

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Spokane1 on January 21, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
Dear Clarence,
If you think a 120VAC Varic would be benifical to you research I just happen to have an extra unit that I would be willing to donate to a good cause.
These devices are expensive even on eBay.
Send me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com with a shipping address and I can get it right out to you.
Spokane1
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 21, 2015, 09:54:11 PM
Clarence:

Hello mscoffman,

I know what closed loop IS and what it isnt!
what I said was that the system would not work CLOSED LOOP because the Tripp Lite power supply
which was supposed to be getting FULL voltage to it to make it operate properly was not happening!!!
The lack of FULL voltage was due to the GROUND GRID RETURN not supplying its leg of full voltage as this system is supposed to do.
the rest of the information was meant to convey the the fact that I could operate the TRIPP Lite power supply separate from the system
by means of my mains household voltage and doing this then in conjunction with the -  battery array - inverter - toroids - as an
open ended system to be able to operate everything and test the system to see what was happening and or not happening!
when I get the Ground supply problem solved then I will go back to configuiring it as a closed loop again

I do know what a variac is and I have the same RED type unit and have been using it for years.

I also know Member Farmhand as I was and still am a member of the ENERGETIC FORUM for many years working on Don Smith devices.

I do appreciate your thoughts and considerations and I appreciate also the information on the source for the super capacitors!
I am going to continue with this B&L build exactly as it was stated and shown in the patent info and their demos if it doesnt stay close
to their device then I wont persue it farther.

@ Spokane1 ,
 thanks for the offer!

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 21, 2015, 10:02:38 PM
Dear Clarence,
If you think a 120VAC Varic would be benifical to you research I just happen to have an extra unit that I would be willing to donate to a good cause.
These devices are expensive even on eBay.
Send me an email at mmckay@simplexgrinnell.com with a shipping address and I can get it right out to you.
Spokane1

Clarence:

Hello Spokane1,

Again I thank you for your generous offer sir!
I do already have the exact same type variac and have used it for years.

Blessings and Cheers,

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: mscoffman on January 22, 2015, 05:00:52 PM
Clarence,

The devices in the main loop of these systems always seem to be under a kind of stability stress they
don't experience when plugged into utility networks. Utility networks are very fast and very "stiff"
because of the way the are backed. DC to AC inverters are not so stiff. So devices used here need a
little more hold up time. But not necessarily 7Ah worth.

Ultimately the incandescent bulb will need to be removed from the circuit because it is wasting power
that should be made available to the user purposes. The variac can be helpful at doing so initially. Of course
all the variacs will be removed eventually and be replaced by fixed resources.

I was just hoping you don't let inherent circuit instability put you off when you come this far. The circuit
looks very interesting.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 22, 2015, 08:35:12 PM
Clarence,

The devices in the main loop of these systems always seem to be under a kind of stability stress they
don't experience when plugged into utility networks. Utility networks are very fast and very "stiff"
because of the way the are backed. DC to AC inverters are not so stiff. So devices used here need a
little more hold up time. But not necessarily 7Ah worth.

Ultimately the incandescent bulb will need to be removed from the circuit because it is wasting power
that should be made available to the user purposes. The variac can be helpful at doing so initially. Of course
all the variacs will be removed eventually and be replaced by fixed resources.

I was just hoping you don't let inherent circuit instability put you off when you come this far. The circuit
looks very interesting.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Clarence:

Hello again,

you miss the point in the use of the 250 watt heat lamp! I simply use it as a test LOAD.
at times I use other bulbs such as a 4 watt nite light or a 13 watt CFL or a 24 watt CFL so the point about
wasting energy is mute. Everyone by now should have recognized that my ONLY purpose with constructing
this B&L device EXACTLY as CLOSE AS POSSIBLE to the way THEY DID IT is to use it as a PROOF OF CONCEPT.
If it doesnt work by their instructions and patent info then its a FARCE. I intend to go to whatever limits I need to
to prove whether the device works or not!

BTW: the next size bulb I intend to use is a 1000 watt Halogen bulb. I already have the materials and rack to plug
them in IF the results warrent going that far.
I am also aware of the instability of the performance of several of the components in the system and would work
on that latter- not now. and I definitely wont be using a VARIAC now or later.

at present I am in the process of increasing the size of my GROUND GRID as B&L call it. I'll see what that does and
it will determine my next steps.

Thanks and Cheers,

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: xhacks on January 23, 2015, 05:24:28 PM
@Clarence Can you make some measurements (AC V&A in VS AC V&A); I tested your system, but the voltage on the battery is getting lower... Tested with a sine wave 300W inverter, and NO LOAD. Discovered something interesting about it: If you put a 20uF in parallel with the INPUT you can light the bulb between the two grounds(Neutral, ground) :)


P.S. I didn't use thickness of the cables, the windings of transformers, and just 2 grounds...Maybe this is the fault?....


Cheers,
Adrian
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 23, 2015, 07:56:41 PM
@Clarence Can you make some measurements (AC V&A in VS AC V&A); I tested your system, but the voltage on the battery is getting lower... Tested with a sine wave 300W inverter, and NO LOAD. Discovered something interesting about it: If you put a 20uF in parallel with the INPUT you can light the bulb between the two grounds(Neutral, ground) :)


P.S. I didn't use thickness of the cables, the windings of transformers, and just 2 grounds...Maybe this is the fault?....


Cheers,
Adrian

Clarence:

Hello xhacks,

Glad to meet you. I can make measurements on my device for you sure - however
I didn't understand what you meant in your reference about taking voltage and amperage
measurements on YOUR unit.
on your unit you need to understand that the INVERTER unit itself IS A LOAD and that is why
your battery voltage gradually drops!

Also the part about the BATT - INVERTOR -  PHASE - CAPACITOR - NEUTRAL - BULB - GROUND (open loop) is
nothing new at ALL and the bulb is also a LOAD!!!  another reason why the battery voltage slowly falls!

If you REALLY want to use that little small inverter system ( Please note that statement is NOT in ANY way
meant to be derogatory!)  to A GREAT advantage you can get all of this information from an old DON SMITH
patent device if you will just go to your computer search engine and type in this wording : DON SMITH 2006 TESLA TECH .
after you pull it up (a you tube video from way back) scroll almost to the end and you will see him use a car battery which
he uses to power a hand held 28 WATT power zapper touched to a PLATE CAPACITOR that some one holds a GROUND WIRE
to which he states goes out side to large sized GROUND PLATE that was used for the seminar. He then explains
that the GROUND WIRE can be CUT and a LOAD placed between the two ends of the ground wire!!!
I also remember that He operated up to 2KW LOADS on this type of circuit. follows after Don's motto of KISS!
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Use your inverter to power a similar low watt hand held high frequency zapper and then use a small amount of
the load area output to feed back and keep your battery charged and your home free.
BTW: there are a lot more of these little trinkets floating around in the cloud data system that the world doesn't know are out there.

thanks and CHEERS,

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 24, 2015, 03:48:40 AM
Clarence:

Hello xhacks,

Glad to meet you. I can make measurements on my device for you sure - however
I didn't understand what you meant in your reference about taking voltage and amperage
measurements on YOUR unit.
on your unit you need to understand that the INVERTER unit itself IS A LOAD and that is why
your battery voltage gradually drops!

Also the part about the BATT - INVERTOR -  PHASE - CAPACITOR - NEUTRAL - BULB - GROUND (open loop) is
nothing new at ALL and the bulb is also a LOAD!!!  another reason why the battery voltage slowly falls!

If you REALLY want to use that little small inverter system ( Please note that statement is NOT in ANY way
meant to be derogatory!)  to A GREAT advantage you can get all of this information from an old DON SMITH
patent device if you will just go to your computer search engine and type in this wording : DON SMITH 2006 TESLA TECH .
after you pull it up (a you tube video from way back) scroll almost to the end and you will see him use a car battery which
he uses to power a hand held 28 WATT power zapper touched to a PLATE CAPACITOR that some one holds a GROUND WIRE
to which he states goes out side to large sized GROUND PLATE that was used for the seminar. He then explains
that the GROUND WIRE can be CUT and a LOAD placed between the two ends of the ground wire!!!
I also remember that He operated up to 2KW LOADS on this type of circuit. follows after Don's motto of KISS!
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID.

Use your inverter to power a similar low watt hand held high frequency zapper and then use a small amount of
the load area output to feed back and keep your battery charged and your home free.
BTW: there are a lot more of these little trinkets floating around in the cloud data system that the world doesn't know are out there.

thanks and CHEERS,

Clarence


Clarence:  Do you mean like this?
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 24, 2015, 11:44:10 AM
Clarence:

Hello a.king21

The high voltage he is putting into his side of the capacitor plate is AC.
the voltage that is being picked up on the other side of the plate and that is going to ground is
pulsed DC. purposely for demonstration purposes he is using a car battery and it is powering a
DC to AC converter which was originally used to test Dielectric values of different wire insulation
and other things etc.It could be adjusted up and down to different voltage and amperage settings.
the settings he chose basically amounted to a total of 28 watts and was delivered by the hand held
probe that he used. all in all just a high voltage module as you illustrated. the ground wire that is used
went to an outside ground of whatever sort. you could drop the voltage and frequency by any of
several means to match your needs whether it be AC or DC.
energy that went in on the input side did not pass to the other side. The energy that was received
on the output plate was harvested from the ambient energy background and was delivered to ground.

the input energy was simply the excitation means.
He showed two different demos of the same load to ground  process, I gave you the search engine wording
for the demonstration in 2006 now here is a better and more informative demonstration of harvesting to ground
of a previous year - type in -   Don Smith 2005 Part 4 - youtube.
a lot more information and explanation with all the witnesses gathered around.

I prefer my B&L device For all the different ways you can configure circuits more easily and accomplish basically the some thing.

thanks and Cheers.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Void on January 24, 2015, 04:20:19 PM
Clarence, a.king21:
I'll try to keep this fairly short, since this is drifting off topic.
I am not trying to put down Don Smith in any way, but I have tested a fair bit with some of the things Don Smith
has talked about or shown, and I have found in my tests that things do not end up working like Don Smith describes it.

Regarding his capacitor plates driven by a high voltage AC driver, the first thing most people will probably notice is that
capacitors are used all over the place in AC circuits and they of course most certainly do draw energy from the driving device.
Don's premise seems to be that since you are drawing an arc from the HV driver to Earth ground, and Earth ground is
isolated from the HV driver (in the 2006 demo he used a battery powered power source for the HV driver), that no energy is
being drawn from the HV driver when the second capacitor plate is arcing to Earth ground. However, in my tests where I monitor
the input current to my HV driver from a 12V battery, the input current to the HV driver increases from about 350mA at idle to
about 420mA to 450mA or more when arcing to either Earth ground or even just to a completely insulated screwdriver tip.
This shows that any arcing (even to the insulated screwdriver tip) is drawing its energy from the HV power source to
cause the arcing.

With Don Smith's stuff it seems that it comes down to Don Smith either leaving out key info which you would need to
make his stuff work, or he was just plain wrong about certain things. Maybe Don Smith's use of an aluminum plate and a
copper plate makes some sort of difference, as I just tested with a normal HV pulse capacitor. It is probably worth a test
to see if there is any difference at all however. Also, in my tests, the voltage waveform on the Earth ground side
of the setup is identical to the voltage on the HV driving side, i.e.; if you are using a sine wave in, then you will see
a sine wave on the output ground discharge side as well. That's what I saw in my own testing anyway. If there is a way to get that 
sort of setup to pull in extra energy from the ambient to power a load without drawing its energy from the HV power source,
I personally haven't figured it out (yet) anyway. I am still experimenting away... :) Anyone can experiment for them self to see
if they can get different results, but make sure you know what you are doing first when experimenting with high voltage.
Good luck with the experimenting.
All the best...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 24, 2015, 05:16:13 PM
Clarence:

Hello Void, & All,

correct on all points Void - I know the experiences from past history personally also!

As I said I prefer my B&L device and am working to prove it as a proof of concept for my own personal interests
and am indeed willing to share the good points that I find and also point out some of my goof ups as well
 when I discover them.

It is good to share what I find as this device build is NOT CHEAP (about 1200.00 so far). sharing helps others
from having to put out those expenses when it might not be possible to do so but allows them to obtain
the advantage of the information anyway.  Lovin it!

I am building my ring type Earth Grid System that I mentioned earlier (16 ft ring type with 8 copper clad rods
in the perimeter for the return from earth ground connected in series and left open ended. 1 copper clad rod in the exact center
as the input rod to earth ground). all of the connecting wire will be #6 AWG tinned battery cable wire..

all of this takes time and effort (lots) and add to this my farm duties (which come first) the time to complete
is made even even longer.
so hang on everybody! I'll get there.

thanks and Cheers.

Clarence
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Void on January 24, 2015, 05:39:49 PM
Hi Clarence. I have been following along on your B&L experiments. You are doing a great job mate!
Appreciate the schematic and photos you posted, as it allowed me to get a much clearer idea of what you are doing.
I am patiently waiting to see if you see any improvement once you add your improved ground rod grid. :)
All the best...

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on January 29, 2015, 08:39:02 PM
Hi Clarence. I have been following along on your B&L experiments. You are doing a great job mate!
Appreciate the schematic and photos you posted, as it allowed me to get a much clearer idea of what you are doing.
I am patiently waiting to see if you see any improvement once you add your improved ground rod grid. :)
All the best...

Hello Void & ALL, 

Clarence:

Just an update on progress on Ground Grid System:
had laid out perimeter and rod marks and had to posthole spots down into earth 12 inches so that they could be
covered over after assembly. at my site I could NOT leave the rods exposed above ground at all and the wire has
to be trenched also so that nothing interferes above ground level. definitely work involved.

will have the last of the rods in the ground by tonight and will start wire trenching tomorrow.
saturday and sunday I should have all the wire in and connected  and the connections sealed and wires covered over.

will not be able to start any testing until sometime tuesday or thursday as I just lately observed that my
tripp lite power supply was FRIED!!
at sometime when I was last testing and as the ground system wasn't feeding enough voltage back through the ground
return system only giving enough system voltage in the amount of 84 to 90v---this under voltage caused my
tripplite PR 15 to overheat severely and I did not catch this fact until after the damage had already been done!!!
it is factory designed the run on 120 volt AC and not 84 volt AC!  MY GOOF UP!

I have a NEW Tripp Lite PR 30 that should arrive monday thru wednesday sometime.
for testing the system THIS TIME I will be powering the PR 30 with mains voltage until I can see if the Ground
Return Leg is performing as it should or if I still have to increase the size of my Ground Grid a bit more.

as with all things time will tell!

Thanks, Later.

Clarence

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Void on January 29, 2015, 09:58:52 PM
Thanks for the update Clarence. Sorry to hear about your power supply. These sort of
experiments we do here can be very hard on electronics! I blown more than my share of components
and equipment over the years. :)  Your ground rod expansion sounds like a pretty big job. Hope you
can get a farmhand or two to help you. ;)
All the best...
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: a.king21 on January 29, 2015, 10:44:21 PM
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: skribat on February 03, 2015, 10:02:50 PM
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French)  but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Clarence on February 04, 2015, 04:54:00 PM
Clarence: Sorry to hear about your equipment. Lots of us are quietly keeping an eye on this thread and hope you succeed.

Clarence:

Hello a.king21, void, & ALL,

the weather here has NOT been favorable at all  to finishing the wire connections to the ground rods and sealing the connections
(since they had to be below the surface by about 4 inches and could not be protruding above ground level at all- property
owners demands). I deemed the moisture sealing of connections and keeping dirt, etc. completely away from bare wire and clamps
as necessary to ensure no type of resistance sources between earth - rod - wire - and device. I want to keep everything clean and
unhampered to give a reliable result to the outcome of this revised GROUND ROD RETURN SYSTEM.

I have the background of the previous TWO rod system results at 84v to 90v to compare results against.
my new Tripp Lite PR 30 is in and in place ready to go ( hooked to mains supply this time until I determine that it IS or IS NOT safe to
to include it in the system.

I thought it was humorous about me getting a farmhand to help me put the rods in the ground!
This is a 64 acre farm alright but the ONLY FARMHAND HERE IS M E E E!!!
meanwhile back at the farm - working on getting it done, the weather clearing hopefully ( Louisiana is a little swampy!) .
Will give new info as it happens.

Thanks , cheers!

Clarence



Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Void on February 04, 2015, 06:13:55 PM
Hi Clarence. Thanks for the update. Ok on you being the only farmhand. ;)
Take your time mate. Rushing at this sort of stuff does not help anything.
If it is kind of swampy out in your neck of the woods then that may mean that
you should have quite good potential conditions for getting a really good earth ground.
All the best...

Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Bob Smith on February 04, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
hi guys .. Spanish isn't my language ( a little Spanish and basic French)  but this looks VERY interesting, was sent to me by a friend in Brazil .. all you Spanish speakers this is your chance to shine .. good luck with the translation .. skribat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lUtRFSqj504
Skribat, nice find!
Only had time to watch the first video (over lunch at work). 
He's basically saying that the B&L schematic people have been working with are not producing the desired effects. He then shows another schematic that doesn't produce the effect either. Then, he shows one that does seem to produce abundant amps from the ground, starting around 7:20.

Here's what he says at 18:15:
"I believe B&L haven't told us the whole truth. If we input direct current without this capacitor (see right side of diagram), there is no substantial raising of current. To capture the electrons from the ground, there needs to be a means that permits, by induction, for them to be generated. And this instrument (means of induction) is still the capacitor, one of the great protagonists of electricity and electronics."

Note, the negative input remains hanging or "in the air" as he says.  He's showing 115V, 0.0-1.0A in, and at each winding of his transformer, he's getting around 168 amps.  That's a lot of juice. The mains amperage draw continues to be around 1A even as he's running lights and some other gizmo (didn't catch what it was) off the output. It would seem the extra electrical charge is coming from the ground.

Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.
Title: Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
Post by: Void on February 04, 2015, 08:27:58 PM
Looks like pretty impressive results.
I wonder how we could scale that back to a simpler level.
Looking at his schematic, I see an open system (with open neg lead), and with the capacitor, I'm reminded of Tesla's apparatus for collecting radiant energy.
Hope this helps.
Back to work Bob.

Hi Bob. I watched that guy's videos a couple of weeks ago. He doesn't seem to understand
even the basics of doing proper power measurements, and he also seemed not to be aware
that neutral is usually earth grounded at the electrical panel (not sure about in his country however).
In the last video of his I watched he was showing what appeared to be way more input power consumption than
he was delivering to his load, and he seems oblivious that this is actually indicating quite a bit less than unity.
Someone pointed this out to him in a comment to his video, and the guy replied that "he was excited". He seems
to have not understood the significance of the relation between input power compared to output power. Also
his measurements are completely inadequate. It appears that he doesn't really know what he is doing. I