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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1437399 times)

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #900 on: December 17, 2014, 03:30:42 PM »
When someone reproduces the claimed results  without the wires being obvious then at least one method will be identified.

Agreed but I don't see anyone bothering to do this and revealing the method, just to prove its easy to fake.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #901 on: December 17, 2014, 05:02:08 PM »
Hello ppl,

to some people in this forum all is fake ! :) It seems that the world joined to create circuits that serve only to deceive ...  lol
How is it possible to do analysis as targeted enforcement just looking a circuit through a video? I would also like to rely on this divine power!
There is no room for doubt! Only half a dozen people who seem to know everything!
Without observing the behavior of a circuit directly and yet is liable to be misled, we can not be so sure that is fake or not, Furthermore experimentation is part of the learning process.
People were expected to Kapanadze show all the details?
He also with the majority seeks his comfort zone $ most people feel the same!
Nicolas Tesla also did not specify to detail their work, and therefore their work is so misunderstood. How could it be possible now that people have learned some of his concepts if not through the trial? YES  WE NEED OBSERVE ! AND TRY ! and not let a formulated law can not be questioned and reformulated in favor of human good.There are no absolute truths!
I realize that people can defend points of view based on scientific facts, but history has shown us that these same acts has been revised at present, but that is part of the intellectual growth of man, learn from mistakes. The laws were made to be questioned and reformulated! After all we are human, and make mistakes when we try to do it the best!
I think it will be possible to say that even with the limited information that Kapanadze let out, most people in this forum along grew up and learned the expense of several attempts, and today ware 8 or 9 years after appear the first information I am sure that we all improve our knowledge or not?
And the cost of what ?                experimentation!                               This is called-have a purpose !!!.
OVERUNITY ? Forget for now !
We do focus on increasing the efficiency of existing energy conversion methods, because the energy is free and available in various forms and is present everywhere. A house does not begin to build the roof!
We have not even completely mastered the phenomenon of electromagnetism the more the electrostatic and see people only worry with Overunity! ?
Have you ever thought why the science of areas such as electrostatic was never properly exploited?
For ... is not measurable, and collectible $ as conventional electricity ... maybe yes maybe not ?
to think of ... Tesla, Moray and others thought ....

I wish everyone a Merry Christmas and good :) tests for everyone!


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #902 on: December 17, 2014, 05:26:29 PM »
Hello @ NelsonRochaa,

WELL SAID SIR!
it is as if you were reading my mind.
thank you again!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #902 on: December 17, 2014, 05:26:29 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #903 on: December 17, 2014, 05:26:45 PM »
knowledge was used to create radio without saying it can be used to fix more important problems
120 years of shame  :-[

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #904 on: December 17, 2014, 05:28:49 PM »
now they try to stop climate change with chemtrails
building on sand is looking for disaster always

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #904 on: December 17, 2014, 05:28:49 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #905 on: December 17, 2014, 11:54:10 PM »
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
 people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
 based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
 fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the  output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
 experiment was not done for public viewing  only to test possibilities.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #906 on: December 18, 2014, 10:08:32 AM »
There is no cord it may be real,its not obvious how it is faked ,if it is,the green box video.
The theory of a possible way is the big gauge wire ground cable,connected to the water pipe
is one side of a grid connection to a hard line skeptic thats enough.To me its not
enough is there an alternate explanation,rather than focus on how it powers up lights I focused on
the strange effects in the video,Tariel had trouble measuring the ac voltage across the lights,
the huge ground current is impossible unless its a fake.I posted this experiment before however
 people simply go back to its a fake or its a Tesla invention,goes nowhere but in circles.In the experiment it was assumed
 based on the video the output of the device is line frequency 50 HZ,220vac,fed thru a Tesla interface(coils,hv spark gap,ground)
the ac goes thru a coil thats surrounded by a larger coil connected to a spark gap,thats arcing,inducing pulses into the
coil outputting the ac,the ac is mixed with high level pulses,the source of the ac in the device is hidden.I used an isolation transformer as my ac source,I
 fed this thru a Tesla interface(coils,spark gap,hv,ground), the ground went to an outside water pipe,the  output ac was connected to a 71 watt incandescent light.
I used a clampmeter made by the same company that made Tariels cheap clampmeter,sold at harbor freight in the US.When I attempted to
measure the ac voltage across the light,I got the same effect as in the video,when I measured the ground current
I got a huge ground current reading,when a different clampmeter was used I got zero.Based on this I believe Tariel uses this to fake out
people to make them believe its a Tesla invention.
There is an unknown factor in this video, that is the wattage of the lights,the claim is there a 1,000 watts,seems much too high to me
I live in the US and don't know about what wattage bulbs they sell in Georgia.
There also wasn't enough time running to rule out batteries,and exact lamp wattage is not known.As for how he looped the device
all consistent , it will work if real,also if fake.
This video and 2004 video are useless because its whats hidden thats the secret, Tariel told a.king21 theres one component
that he makes thats needed to make this work.Tariels device to me is a low tech device,with a hidden active component, its presented as a Tesla invention
rediscovery,in my opinion it has nothing to do with Tesla its a smoke screen to throw people off.In the pictures
the clampmeter shows a phantom reading,this creates the illusion its a heavy ground current
,it creates a strong belief,to the hard line skeptic, its an obvious fake,a hidden grid wire ,to the believer its a Tesla invention.
On the looping,my battery that I use for experiments went bad, so I supplied the energy by a 12 volt dc supply,the point was that
it is looped like in both the 2004 video and green box video,Tariel did a measurement from the battery to the inverter,I also did that,but didn't record it as this
 experiment was not done for public viewing  only to test possibilities.

Yes, we do round in circles but although you did not show a video of your experiment, I think your results show that its more than likely that TK was passing current through the earth wire and grounding at the water pipe. Watsup was the first to point out the strange demeanour of the bearded man clutching the coil of cable throughout the green box video and even described how the power supply was probably connected to the coil. I've not seen a more plausible explanation and certainly nothing that gets anywhere close to convincing me that his device was a genuine self-runner. I guess that's how things will remain.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #906 on: December 18, 2014, 10:08:32 AM »
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Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #907 on: December 18, 2014, 12:25:49 PM »
Hello @ ALL

am waiting on materials to revise my OFF GRID battery - inverter- captor - rectificator B & L system.
while waiting I need to perfect my inverter neutral grounding system to a WORKING ground system.
Since the Utility Company Energy grid systems in most all countries DO ground their so called neutral leg to earth
at their origin Generating site, It is  also necessary for me to ground my inverter system to a totally separate earth
ground grid system of my own to be independent from their site. I already KNOW that my ground system has to be
a satisfactory distance AWAY from my mains system so as NOT to be directly influenced by it. you will notice I said DIRECTLY!
the earth is actually a pool resource for Many types of entities, oh well.

my inverter ground rod will be physically separate from my Captor ground rods, just as Mains grounding is distanced
from its generating site.

I want my results to rise or fall on their own merits so as not to have to keep correcting errors in order to get some good results.
just info to say where I am heading.
as they become available I will post the good results. I wont waste your time with any bad results.
Cheers!

Clarence 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #908 on: December 18, 2014, 08:15:09 PM »

hello friends


     in this video I wanted to show the first curious experience I discovered when trying to


Barbosa replicate the system and Leal


    I have noticed that placing a driver shorted outside the nucleus of a


microwave transformer, the intensity in the non-power transformer


increased the least.


      SIN intensity Loopback is 2.27 amperes


  intensity WITH shorted loop is the same 2.27 amperes
 
  as you can see in the video I was putting different conductors shorted and


different sections, neither increase nor input amperage in the neutral or


either in phase


       All amperage increase to 147 amperes


      I think the voltage of each driver must be at zero volts when in


short, so if we calculate the volts by amps we Watts


   0 x 147 = 0 watts. the funny thing is that we have a current of 147 amperes


         I remember Don Smith said the voltage came out cheaper, after this


experiment could say that the current also has good price, lol




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE










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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #908 on: December 18, 2014, 08:15:09 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #909 on: December 19, 2014, 10:27:31 AM »
to Hoppy
I know wattsup real well, I was in a tpu thread for years with him, he has a tendency
if he can't figure out some device,he calls it a fraud,and thinks up a way to explain it,as a fake.
In the past he would enlarge pictures of tpu's and explain things from fuzzy pictures,the other members would tell him
 your seeing more than there is.
The point of the experiment was to see if there is another explanation for the clampmeters high current reading
if you stop the hv arcing the reading drops to zero,this was not recorded ,its a defect in the circuitry of this particular clampmeter
and Tariels clampmeter.
its very clear that high level pulses are induced into the coil carrying the ac in the greenbox video this
causes a digital voltmeter to cycle its reading  and it will effect the clampmeters ground current reading ,creating a false current reading.
I believe Tariel is aware of this and uses this in hes show to make people believe its a Tesla invention.As I told you before
 this video(greenbox) and 2004 video are useless
to figure out anything,theres also no information of the exact wattage of the lights used.
This experiment was not to show its a self runner,there is too little information for that,he could have done the demo with hidden batteries.
If there was no strangeness with the clampmeter then wattsup's explanation would be valid, however there is,so its unlikely a hidden grid connection
is how its done in my opinion,it could be hidden batteries.Most of the other devices Tariel made are useless to help in figuring out how they work if real, with the exception of the aquarium 2,the green transformer in combination with the blue coil form a special circuit and there are other details missed,I believe it holds the answer to all hes devices operation and construction.This is the direction of my investigations,I have got a few of the green type of transformers from Russia,they were extensively used from 1970's to 1980's,very different construction from the standard ones used in the US.
A certain amount of people will believe its real,a certain amount of people will believe its fake.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #910 on: December 19, 2014, 02:32:16 PM »
@ismael_34, thanks for info from UK, Merry Christmas. I will get experimenting.

Regards
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #911 on: December 19, 2014, 04:35:03 PM »
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #912 on: December 19, 2014, 04:37:56 PM »
Cheappower2012:
Take a look at this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg9O3vCg_Q4


And then look up Thane Heins and Melnichenko.  It could be the answer.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #913 on: December 19, 2014, 10:44:11 PM »



         captainkt  ;)




                   equally friend happy Holidays for you and your family




                   Greetings from Spain  ;)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #914 on: December 20, 2014, 11:21:34 AM »
To a.king21
 I seen the video,looks possibly correct,on Thane Heins
when I originally came to overunity.com,I replicated the thane device exactly
it is not overunity,but interesting,learned of it from the peakoil.com web site they carry all sorts of stories
related to oil and sometimes free energy.On Melnichenko this guy is super rich,I don't know on hes device,however
when a device differs from a certain direction I'm suspicious of it or if it employs high frequencies,Tariel's devices use low frequency,line frequency,
this uses much higher frequencies.Tariels devices generate massive amounts energy,so it may be real or maybe fake,no in betweens,when a device generates a small
 apparent increase over unity,it always turns out to be a mistake in measurements,I have seen at least a hundred cases of this.
When you set the conditions on the aquarium 2 device's construction,it forced to Tariel to design a device in a different way
than past devices.When I asked if you had a HR picture taken of the green transformer from directly above it,here is the reason.There are tiny wires added by Tariel
on the green transformer they perform an important of the devices operation,In the other device's Tariel has made
the feed back to self run is done thru one active device this also powers the load, in this one 2 are employed,this may have been done to power the 2kw load
with only one by its self due to the power level needed to light the heater,and use the other for feedback looping ,it maybe because of conditions you specified.
Heres a picture, keep in mine this is a speculation or guess,however this is the first step to figure out how this device works or if its fake.
Pay attention to where one wire appears to connect to the part of the transformer where the blue wire connects,thats the transformer winding,its 78 ohms,
If its fake its a very strange fake.

 

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