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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1478131 times)

Offline Magnethos

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #285 on: December 31, 2013, 08:27:05 AM »
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.

Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.

At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #286 on: December 31, 2013, 01:49:15 PM »
Excellent Points Earthenergy.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #287 on: December 31, 2013, 03:59:36 PM »
Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?

I need to learn more. :D

I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #287 on: December 31, 2013, 03:59:36 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #288 on: December 31, 2013, 05:31:06 PM »
Hello Dave45,
Could you please test them? Because I have no idea with the "pump" or the KML coils.
Or could you please share me some documents? Or how to build them?

I need to learn more. :D

I have a question with the positive charged surface in the loop. (See the image)
Because it is "loop" and the voltage is very small.
So we need a special thing to extract free elections from the ground (or in the air) then supply them to the loop??
I have two versions. One version plus and minus in picture in primary coil is neutral and phase. Other version plus and minus is plus and minus 200 volsts DC let say. But if this versiion, then probarly we not get curent any on secondary? So this version is probarly wrong?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #289 on: December 31, 2013, 07:41:37 PM »
Capturing electrons from the air can be more useful than obtaining them from the ground.
As far I know, Don Smith also created a device for capturing electrons from the air.

Barbosa is using a spherical capacitor in one of the circuits to capture free electrons in the ambient and convert them into useful energy. As seen in the picture I've attached to this post, the piece number 14 is the spherical capacitor. This is the part that captures electrons from the air.

At least 4 different inventors have used the same technique to capture electrons from the ambient. It has been documented.
Tell us more about the spherical cap please.

I have not had any luck pulling electrons from the ground but still working to that end.

Im still searching like everyone else if I find it you will know and how.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #289 on: December 31, 2013, 07:41:37 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #290 on: December 31, 2013, 10:53:27 PM »
Just want to remind everyone that the device has evolved, the "Captor" now also capture electrons from the air.
So not only is the earth leaving things.  ;)
And this is a little more complicated.  ;D
In my opinion all these devices work on the same principles, if you discover how one works, will know how they all work.
And it should be a very simple thing indeed, for all the masters in the art, ancient and modern say the same.  8)

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Agreed... I believe the capture of the electrons is just a part of what is going on. I think the real essence of this breakthrough is that a gateway is being opened into the ether, or into the dimension if you will, that  actually supplies a magnetic field with it's power. Look at a permanent magnet. One shot of electricity into a magnetic material and you have a circulating flow of electronic activity that keeps going and going and going.

In trying to replicate the Barbosa/Leal device it may be helpful for people not to not focus solely on the electron capture, it is probably only part of the process, there is probably energy coming in from somewhere else. Floyd Sweet tapped into the ether without a ground, so did Marks, and I believe EV Gray as well. Tapping into the ether with a pulsating field would seem to be what is taking place. It would also seem that the voltage is somehow sourced through the primary and the current is somehow sourced from the closed loop secondary.

Someone should be able to nail it soon enough, if not, we all wait for the Barbosa/Leal device to hit the market. ( If they are not taken out first that is, it remains a possibility as long as no one has replicated. They also seem to want to make a killing on the device at 5k a unit, so they may get bought off right away)

I believe they have the real deal, the best one yet, the cheapest and simplest to build, and one that is ready for implementation. 


 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #291 on: December 31, 2013, 10:57:48 PM »
The PDF Patent is below for downloading.  This is really STRANGE, because I "assumed" that wires 4 were the output WIRES.  But after I re-read the patent several times,
he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So I "assumed" he meant the word loop INCLUDES the Load.  But apparently NOT.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4 are SHORTED TOGETHER
and together they form THEIR OWN LOOP in the Core, AND is 1 wire of the output!!  So if the Wires 4 are SHORTED to form 1 Output Wire, where is the OTHER OUTPUT WIRE??

Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post. 

1.  Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
     and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
     coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.

2.  The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current
     circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
     amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
     of the current in wire 3.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #291 on: December 31, 2013, 10:57:48 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #292 on: December 31, 2013, 11:19:14 PM »
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!


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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)

Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.

I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?

Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #293 on: January 01, 2014, 01:00:11 AM »
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS, and weighs ONLY 4 Pounds (1.5 KG).
That's a paradox too because I would think the box would weigh more than that.

The biggest one they advertise is 282,700 WATTS.
That could run a small TOWN.

http://energiauniversal.eco.br/
         

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #294 on: January 01, 2014, 01:12:36 AM »
The SMALLEST unit they sell is 12,100 WATTS.

That is the small unit on the table in the 7 minute video, the one that powers the bank of 6 one thousand watt bulbs with an 220 volt input of .1 amp which is about 22 watts!  Output is 220 volts, 26 amps. The transformer must be very small as the weight of the unit is 1.5 kilos. Hard to believe... but I do not believe they are con artists.

What is the impossible dream though, is that they would be able to sell a $29.00 transformer for $5.000.00 dollars. It is a pipe dream. People will build their own unit once the secret is known. The device can never be kept secret, unless it is suppressed now before it gets out.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #295 on: January 01, 2014, 01:20:01 AM »
Good points Earthenergy.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #296 on: January 01, 2014, 02:48:11 AM »
Fatbird the diagram you posted was not the right one, the text you posted was for the schematic below which is for their direct current generator which I find very interesting. I am going to test shortly. Thanks for your post you started me thinking. I had to go double check the source and discovered the DC schematic.

Hard to go wrong with this Direct Current version.  If it works, it is just as exciting as the AC unit, and one can hardly go wrong in testing the design. It seems pretty straightforward and one would think they tested the set up to see if it works before submitting the info.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #297 on: January 01, 2014, 06:16:35 AM »
Hi All,
                                                         Happy New Year for All

I think that this device works in a completely different principle, not exactly what they talked about. Two Brazilian inventor who had created their own devices a legend (extract energy from the ground) to be patented!. . Read it carefully and test equipment on their principles announced, will surely have the answer.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #298 on: January 01, 2014, 06:16:50 AM »
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:


Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return


I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.


Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #299 on: January 01, 2014, 04:05:46 PM »
I've never trusted Barbosa leal ever since I spent 2 weeks on an unsuccessful replication attempt.
You can't get a trafo to work on dc. It has to be at least pulsed DC.


BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY:


Brazil uses a system of single wire earth return.
In these countries with SWER you can put 2 earth rods into the ground and steal the grid's electricity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-wire_earth_return


I know someone who did it in New Zealand and he told me how the experiment was conducted. It's better
if the earth rods are far apart.


Sorry to upset you, but truth is better than false hopes.

You may be right about the DC design, I am going to test anyway.....to be sure.

On the AC demonstration if the current was coming from the grid and going to the ground it would seem that the current would have to show up on the amp meter clamped on the feed. I have not been able to see any mention of Brazil using swer, all references are for 220 single phase utilities in Brazil. That being said however, it is possible to run isolated single phase to the ground, and power a load in doing so.

Your failure to replicate cannot be considered as proof that it does not work. As someone once said, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Kapandaze aptly demonstrated to a group of onlooking professional skeptics that 5KW was possible with a small device, with a ground hook up, and then to really blow their minds, he disconnected the battery.  The Kapandaze device has also been replicated on a smaller scale, also with a spark gap, and also disconnected from the battery. So no one can claim there is not an over unity principle being demonstrated.

So yes, I do believe Barbosa and Leal have probably also achieved success in a similar fashion, with a design that is a lot less complex.

The box is closed because they do not want people to know how they are doing it. The motive is no doubt, that it is very simple and very inexpensive to replicate once you see how it is done. Thus the fancy digital instrumentation to dress it up and make it look more sophisticated, and more expensive, than it really is.

If they wanted people to know how it is done they would open the box and show the circuitry, but that would spoil their plans to charge 5K for something that anyone could build with a discarded microwave transformer. Hence the plan to license manufacturers to charge the public exorbitant prices on their behalf.

Their plans will never pan out because at some point it has to be known what they are doing. One has to assume their newer patent filings will now disclose exactly what they are doing, because that is how patents work, you have to be able to replicate. From the looks of the dates on the existing patent work it may be another 6 months before that happens.

There is still plenty of time for suppression to take place. Really, they need to wake up from the pipe dream, show people what they are doing, and then charge a reasonable price for the device and get it on the market. They have no other choice IMHO.

Alternatively, if they are indeed stealing power, they will get absolutely nowhere, except to a jail cell, and very quickly so. They have to know that......

 

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