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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1437360 times)

Offline Kator01

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #870 on: December 10, 2014, 05:39:00 PM »
Neo-X,

yes this guy demonstrates the principle which is not easy to discover because the complicated transformer and coil-setup obfuscates this.

It is stealing power and dangerous

I am not the moderator of this thread but I would close it.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #871 on: December 10, 2014, 06:46:08 PM »
Hello @ ALL

Whether this Forum covers the Barbosa and Leal device or not will NOT stop individuals from attempting to replicate their device.
It would seem more appropriate for the members to lead wisely to all potential replicators advising them of harmful methods and practices
as they become apparent to the  gracious experienced and knowledgeable members of this forum.
As a recent member I made it a point to cover all posts from #1 to present and I did observe the many PAST warnings of quite a few valuable
experienced members who were certainly ON POINT!

It is my own personal thought that ANY replication attempts should NOT be tied to a Corporate Commercial Energy Grid system whatsoever!
The Barbosa and Leal  system within their patents EVEN shows that it was intended to be a Battery - Inverter - Captor - Rectificator  closed loop system
independent from other systems entirely!

my own replication effort has been thru a battery powered inverter system from the getgo and will remain that way. all IMHO.
thanks.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #872 on: December 10, 2014, 07:17:05 PM »
Is this real replication?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbNvUZT4NC4
It's an interesting experiment but in his country you bypass the meter. He says it's just stealing.
It does not work in the UK.  (I've tried it). In the UK the neutral is clamped to the earth.
He also did not show his earth rods at all.  It proves what I've suspected all along, that the
Barbosa Leal system is abstracting energy from the Brazilian grid, and the Brazilian government does not
want publicity about this fact or every shanty town in Brazil will steal energy.
If you want immediate free energy get yourself solar panels for now. They are free energy and coming down in price.
Or keep experimenting....

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #872 on: December 10, 2014, 07:17:05 PM »
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Offline cheors

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #873 on: December 10, 2014, 08:39:07 PM »
What happens if you separate earth from neutral with an isolation transformer ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #874 on: December 10, 2014, 09:13:26 PM »
Hi, I have been in Brazil several times and steal energy from the grid is the second most popular sport after football :D . They dont need an electron captor to steal , just a CAT-tor, they call to steal " to make a CAT" (fazer um gato in portuguese).
So its stupid to think someone (Barbosa-Leal) invented something to steal electricity cause it has been done without any captor. I think half of the population or more steal regularly energy ;D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #875 on: December 11, 2014, 06:14:10 PM »
@cheors, as a.king21  said, in the UK the earth is the neutral the neutral is the earth clamped at both ends. There is only one live wire from grid, often a concentric cable is run to houses which has only one red conductor in the center then the outside is armoured  steel earthed, neutral is connected to this at the house and at the power station. Called PME.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #876 on: December 15, 2014, 02:00:04 AM »
Time for new experiments. This is about a very strange behavior of a simple electric circuit. High voltage with nearly zero current attracts electrons from ground and passes them through a spark gap (that plasma jet melts ceramic). I don't think this behavior is completely in accordance with the textbooks.

Captor De Elétrons Da Terra

It works also without the antenna, but then the spark is not that strong. Ground is not really necessary because there are a lot of free electrons already in the wires. Also there is not this violent sparking when the diode is shorted or the connected capacity is too high.

The high voltage transformer actually consists of ten small 230/24V transformers connected together. When that transformer is connected in step-down mode, a primary voltage of 234V generates 19.5V secondary voltage. Hence the ratio of that transformer is 1:12. So in step-up mode 302V input should generate 3624V RMS, that's 5110V peak-to-peak.

The length of the spark is 4 to 5mm, that implies a voltage of 4 to 5KV. This matches the roughly 5KV p-p coming from the transformer. What not matches is the high current obviously going through the spark gap. The 12V DC current coming from the battery is 3A without spark and around 4A with spark. This calculates to 4A times 12V equals 48W total power consumption.

Since the high voltage at the spark gap is around 3624V RMS this then calculates to 48W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.013A (13mA) at best. Not considered any power dissipation of the inverter and the transformer itself.

Now you decide if the current going through that ear-deafening spark gap is just around a maximum of 13mA or not rather a lot higher.

If we calculate just the 1A DC difference between spark and no spark, the calculation looks like this: 1A times 12V equals 12W. 12W divided by 3624V RMS equals 0.0033A (3.3mA).

Now the counter calculation: Shorting the secondary of that high voltage transformer via a 270KOhm resistor (or even directly) in series with a spark gap means 3624V RMS divided by 270000 Ohm equals a current of 0.013A (13mA). That's the same 13mA value like calculated above, but I have to dim the lights in the room to see that faint tiny spark (almost noiseless) which is created by that 13mA/3624V RMS.

As it looks, this setup consists of a capacitor that provides high current with low voltage and a transformer that provides high voltage with low current. The result of this seems to be a mixture of high voltage with high current (amplification of power).

Any questions and suggestions?

Further readings:

The Work that is Created by Means of Potential Field - Alexander V. Frolov
Advanced Energy and Propulsion Systems based on Chronal Reaction Method - Alexander V. Frolov

By the way: Figure 5 seems to be the theory about the Perendev Magnet Motor; Figure 6 the theory about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG).

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #877 on: December 15, 2014, 08:00:54 AM »
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary??  I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #878 on: December 15, 2014, 02:42:24 PM »
Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #879 on: December 15, 2014, 03:50:20 PM »
Are you really, REALLY, sure that a spark to the metal in the last drawing draws no current from the primary??  I'd check that with an oscilloscope on the primary before believing Frolov.
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.

Hi zeitmaschine, where are you putting load in your captor circuit, across the spark or in series with the spark or somewhere else? Also I am not sure how long inverter will last with high voltage up against output, When I try to mix voltages in my circuits inverter blows.
The spark is the load. Replacing the spark with an incandescent lamp (high-ohmic) will not show anything unusual. That lamp then just shines dim and flickers. Maybe connecting an arc lamp is the better choice.
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #880 on: December 15, 2014, 04:10:37 PM »
This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose
EXCEPT to show around 125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL


---->   A VERY SPECIAL THANKS goes to Mr Ariovaldo for BUYING a Captor, taking it apart, and Drawing the SUPER GOOD Professional Schematic.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #881 on: December 15, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »
Absolutely SURE. The primary should be connected to an inverter and a 12V battery. So the 12V DC (!) ampere measurement is accurate to the mA. Don't measure the AC on the primary directly, it is completely messy due to the sharp spark pulses.
I would only trust that method of measurement if the power drawn from the spark  is greater than the quiescent no load input to the inverter. Not an easy thing to do as the capacitance of the metal object will only be a few pF.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #882 on: December 15, 2014, 06:13:33 PM »
@Fatbird
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This Brazil Captor unit is just FOOLING THE METER.If you Follow the Mains HOT
wire (wire 1) down you can see that it exits the OUTPUT (wire 4).
This is the SAME MAINS HOT WIRE.They Fool the Meter because the Output uses the EARTH GROUND
and NOT the Mains Neutral, thus FOOLING the Meter
However, I suspect that their units CANNOT fool the New SMART Meters being installed around the
world.The coiled Black Wire serves NO useful purpose EXCEPT to show around
125 Amps circulating in itself.  EXCELLENT for fooling people though.  LOL
When I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #883 on: December 15, 2014, 08:46:27 PM »
@FatbirdWhen I first saw the patent that is the first thing I noticed, I thought they do know the neutral conductor is bonded to the ground plane don't they?. I seemed very obvious and this is the standard in North America I believe...is it in Brazil?.
AC


ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #884 on: December 15, 2014, 11:44:22 PM »
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ha ! allcanadian, did you lost hope ?
Forest... I thought you knew me better than that.
AC

 

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