And away we go when crunch time is at hand.
Of course it wont work out,and we also will never see a video of this device self running-->the chicken has flown the coop,as the to do's are far more important than showing the world the first self powered/self running device with excess energy.
Yes-->WHAT A JOKE.

Dang man. There's no need for that sort of nonsense at all.
Clarence is just building the device based on his best understanding of how it is supposed to be done,
and running tests to see if it works as claimed. He doesn't have to share any info here.


I personally am very cautious about considering drawing conclusions about whether some device or effect I am
testing might really be over unity or not, but in regards to Clarence's testing, we don't know much details of what all specific
tests Clarence has done so far. For myself, over the last several years of experimenting in this area, I have seen some interesting effects,
but with more in depth testing I usually come to a better understanding of what is happening and determine that it is not actually
over unity, even though it can sometimes look like it at first without investigating much deeper and carefully into what is going on.
In the case of Clarence's B&L device, we simply don't have enough info about how it is performing so far to be able
to draw any conclusions one way or the other, as Clarence hasn't posted much in the way of details about his tests so far.

Clarence did say a short time ago that he has connected his device to the mains and powered things like his
microwave, and some others here were also posting some info about similar devices that were powered from the mains,
so that is why I posted the info about potential mains ground loops when using mains power and connecting a device to earth ground.

Once Clarence gets all his new ground rods installed and connected in, if he can make his device self run using the battery and inverter
and charger (no mains connection) while powering a small load like a light bulb,  and leave it running steady for say a couple of days, if the battery is
still maintaining around a full charge under those operating conditions after running steady for a couple of days, then that should be a pretty good test.
Clarence is pretty busy however, so it may take him a while to get that all ready and do that sort of testing.
All the best...

Dang man. There's no need for that sort of nonsense at all.
Clarence is just building the device based on his best understanding of how it is supposed to be done,
and running tests to see if it works as claimed. He doesn't have to share any info here.


I personally am very cautious about considering drawing conclusions about whether some device or effect I am
testing might really be over unity or not, but in regards to Clarence's testing, we don't know much details of what all specific
tests Clarence has done so far. For myself, over the last several years of experimenting in this area, I have seen some interesting effects,
but with more in depth testing I usually come to a better understanding of what is happening and determine that it is not actually
over unity, even though it can sometimes look like it at first without investigating much deeper and carefully into what is going on.
In the case of Clarence's B&L device, we simply don't have enough info about how it is performing so far to be able
to draw any conclusions one way or the other, as Clarence hasn't posted much in the way of details about his tests so far.

Clarence did say a short time ago that he has connected his device to the mains and powered things like his
microwave, and some others here were also posting some info about similar devices that were powered from the mains,
so that is why I posted the info about potential mains ground loops when using mains power and connecting a device to earth ground.

Once Clarence gets all his new ground rods installed and connected in, if he can make his device self run using the battery and inverter
and charger (no mains connection) while powering a small load like a light bulb,  and leave it running steady for say a couple of days, if the battery is
still maintaining around a full charge under those operating conditions after running steady for a couple of days, then that should be a pretty good test.
Clarence is pretty busy however, so it may take him a while to get that all ready and do that sort of testing.
All the best...

Hi Void

Clarence has said that he has had the device running in loop mode without a load for 2 1/2 hours,and the battery maintains it's voltage. I only asked what test and/or measurements he had done,and all i got back was-->the device speaks for it self .

I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.

The ground rods are nothing more than resistors in the circuit,and the more he adds,the less the resistance in the neutral line.

How many people are going to waste there hard earned cash on this one i wonder?. I see what it is,and it is nothing but a battery to inverter to load to charger to battery loop. This means nothing more than a system full of losses by way of heat.

Do you believe that you will ever see this device running in a self sustained mode while driving a load?.
Some times the truth is the hardest to hear,but none the less,it is the truth.

The battery under this direct looping will not be in the best of health!

While for historical purposes you are most probably correct, you are not taking into account that
the correctly designed battery charger can compensate for this situation. Batteries do not like
to charged and discharged "at the same time". But the charger could let the battery "breath" by
integrating a charging time then integrating a discharging time, so that it doesn't have to "switch" modes
instantaneously, and it can do this without using too much power. My tendency is to always have
a battery in charge mode or discharge then swap it to the other, but this violates the depth of
discharge restrictions. Millions of motors vehicles use floating batteries apparently ok.
Clarence is not using a deep cycle battery so we should soon know.


The real question is when you have new technology should the person using it have to prove OU loop
function with older technologies - I think not.


   

I also sepperated the captor loop transformer from the circuit to show others clearly what you have-->and that is a simple looped system. The captor loop transformer is a nuthing device,and serves no purpose at all to the system,except for maybe draining a bit more power from the battery,and turning it into heat.


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If you try to understand how it works using the rules studied in school
 can not be in when they are incomplete.

Leo48

I agree with you leo48. It appears to me that the Captor and ground array is actually a vacuum tube but built with
ground inside rather then a vacuum.

The tube filament is the moving electrons primarily generated by the utility power return path. Electrons physically move at the speed
of sound while the electronic wave fronts moves at the speed of light. The reason I am saying this is that energy comes out
in synchronism with inverter power, so they are likely buffered.

The tube grid is the grid of ground array.

The problem is that Telluric currents are most likely to be found pointed downward in 3D, while utility currents are most likely
vectored horizontally. I suspect you may be able to image these with a carefully designed "tube".
 

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi Tinman. Belief doesn't factor into it for me. All that needs to be done is to do a practical and reasonable test
and see what the results are. If Clarence can get the device to self run with a battery for two days straight
while powering a small load like a low wattage light bulb (say 15W to 25W), that should be a pretty good test. If the
 battery keeps the light shining for two days straight and maintains close to a full charge throughout the two days, then
we can say that that it appears to be able to self run. A longer test can then be tried such as say one week, to confirm.
If the battery voltage drops down lower and lower over time while running, then we can say that it looks like it doesn't self run.
All the best...

I agree with you ..  'remove the resistance'  assume it can be done ..  even if it couldn't self-run .. wouldn't you be happy if it just halved your electricity bill ..  I think Clarence is an honest guy with every intention of sharing the results of his hard work . .. this is no time to be standing on the guy's face when he is trying to drag us up off the ground. .. Let's not argue OU  it doesn't matter if it is or not at this point,  let's just see how much progress has actually been made and be grateful for it. Little by little we are moving forward, it often takes a while.  It took ants five years to undermine my gatepost but it eventually fell down.  Let's all get behind Clarence and give him as much support as we can. if it were to fail we lose what .. nothing, if he succeeds we have a lot to gain. Other people in the past have failed because they didn't have enough support to prevent big business taking them out of the game, we can't let it happen again.

There is a difference between being deliberately obstructive and making comments that might appear to be negative but given with the best intention, so as to help Clarence to determine if his device is truly self-running. I consider this to be valid support.

And iron boats will never float. Everyone knows that.

Hello a.king21 

Why don't you take some trip to Iowa and do some measurements ?? Give old man 5 000- 6 000 bucks and make a tests - but not like you did in case of Kapanadze - 20 000 bucks for 2 hours show and nothing ??

About oldman setup - honestly what is for me particulary very interesting is Partnered Toroid configuration. Drawn schematics are not correct because secondaries of Toroid transformers are in antiphase with crosspoint virtually grounded via captor. As a matter of fact it is the only configuartion which is able to produce powerfull scalar field. All of that is Tesla Technology. Two coils at same wavequide lambda/4 resonance  both in antiphase (180 electrical degrees) both grounded on cold end with heavy copper conductor. Same configuration many people made like in Clarence case. For mighty power extraction Tesla scalar need very big mass of copper (or other good conductors). When we strike two B-fileds (with opposite propagation vectors) we can't destroy both but we transform them in powerfull Scalar (longitudinal wave) with own power as sum of both B-fileds. What we do is Scalar reconnection of field lines at both vector fileds. Two very strong B-fileds (opposite each other ) when collide - transform in Scalar field. Keep in mind Scalar field haven't electrical nature and can't be meassured directly with known tech.equipment. Cold currents and other anomalies are direct Scalar filed aftereffects.

Looking from Tesla world outlook -  currents as electrical temperatures - we have two temperatures. Hot ( vector currents) and Cold (Scalar currents). Crosspoint of two B-fileds behave as very Cold point while all other ponts like copper rods in ground are very Hot. As much as we can cool down crosspoint (rising Scalar potential) automatical we rise all Hot points (vector potential of cooper rods). To balance this anomaly Hot temperature will start flow in mighty stream to Cold point. This massive impulses of free electrons (energy waves) come from the ground to crosspoint and warm up (balance) anomaly. It affect reciprocally as rising electricity (hot temperature) in system and we see it as Over Unity.


ps: Properly tunned Tesla Transformers cold down when operarte, Floyhd Sweet VTA cold down etc.. Interesting facts isn;t it

ps2: Don't consider Tesla "electrical temperatures" as adiabatic "thermodynamic" temperatures. They are not the same nature. (for example like solid ice and plasma)

Reg.
Enjoykin !!

Recently on one of the other forums or Blogs there was a fellow that shredded an OU claim as BS,
quite eloquently I might add, another Gentlemen came back a few weeks later and
made an equally eloquent post which highlighted the fact that when we do find the unusual
it will probably be a very unorthodox method which is used, Way outta the box...

I applaud Clarence and his investigation here, I also understand the Tenacious Tinman and others who have spent  thousands or tens of thousands in time and money for the benefit of others,
and how as time goes by these things can be a sore spot for them [the open source replicators].

These replicators have come to heavily rely on a measurement protocol to expedite this process
thereby saving the community as a whole.. fortunes in wasted time and money.

@ EnjoyKin
to be clear we do have very trusted and respected members that are in neighboring states
who could assist in proper measurements .

respectfully
Chet