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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1732160 times)

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1110 on: April 03, 2015, 11:05:53 AM »
Clarence:  re Void's and Hoppy's  comments.


There is one thing you have to watch out for.
 Most inverters DO NOT have an isolation transformer between battery input and mains output.
 This means that if you plug into your  household appliances, you have to make sure that they are independent of your house mains. IF you simply hook your inverter into your mains wiring, it will cause a ground loop with your grounding rods.
I know because I inadvertently looped my inverter in  one experiment.


 Anyway congratulations, and remember, that having gotten this far, you are bound to get more attention from the community.

Hello a.King21,

whenever I use one of my household appliances as a test load it is totally unplugged from ANY source of mains all together!
my unit is not connected in ANY way to a mains source and never will be FOREVER! with the completion of all of my new ground rods
any need  for such a connection totally vaporized!!!  and will remain that way!

I understand what you are saying completely AND I DO APPRECIATE your concern AND support. we go forward together in like minds.

Thanks again and cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1111 on: April 03, 2015, 11:30:06 AM »
Clarence

I had not realized you are completely running off grid with these setups.
You have given me a great pause to think about  past experiences which I disregarded as mistakes.
thank you for all you are doing, I am quite close to the supplier in CT and will be
collecting the bits and pieces for a replication.

Thank you

Chetkremens@gmail.com




Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1112 on: April 03, 2015, 11:42:37 AM »
Hi Clarence!
Strange they dont understand you run it completly out of the grid... Only with a 12v lead acid battery and a 120vac inverter ...!


Anyway, i have (again) some question!
With the setup you have now (near 60 ground rods) when it is running in loop , what is the max load you can put on it?

Other question, the ground "captor" seem to be the key. But do you think we must have a high power inverter or just adding ground rod will be find? (Meen nead 100w inverter to drive 100 w load + selfloop or we can drive bigger load than the "inverter driving part" is rathing for??)

Again, thank you!

Hello Wistiti,

when I have adapted the unit to 120/240 volt mode I expect a 12 KW load usage or larger. time will tell.

as I see it you need a fairly large inverter to assist in implementing the voltage from the earth along with the amperage supplied through the
captor loop to power loads. I would expect the ratio to be somewhere around  80/20,  earth/captor : inverter.
again time will tell and the OU community will have the answer as well. that's what I keep working towards and for my personal use as a first.

The whole world keeps looking for free energy! actually there's no such thing!
my unit , with rods and all components wasn't free at all . it cost money AND a hell of a lot of effort and TIME. the components wont last forever
so there will be up keep to consider over time also!
its called LIFE and it keeps ticking along with OR without us!!  HA! HA!

thanks and cheers!

Clarence

Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1113 on: April 03, 2015, 12:00:30 PM »
Hello a.King21,

whenever I use one of my household appliances as a test load it is totally unplugged from ANY source of mains all together!
my unit is not connected in ANY way to a mains source and never will be FOREVER! with the completion of all of my new ground rods
any need  for such a connection totally vaporized!!!  and will remain that way!

I understand what you are saying completely AND I DO APPRECIATE your concern AND support. we go forward together in like minds.

Thanks again and cheers!

Clarence

Clarence,

You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?

Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1114 on: April 03, 2015, 01:16:08 PM »
If there is no such thing  "free energy" - why than so many brilliant researchers and inventions were killed by oil-barons mafia ??  8) List of names is so long......

I bet - next oil-barons move will be "Copper Rod Bill" for every copper rod pricked in ground.  8)

and than "Sun Bill" for every Sun Ray Light......  8)

 

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1115 on: April 03, 2015, 02:41:40 PM »
If there is no such thing  "free energy" - why than so many brilliant researchers and inventions were killed by oil-barons mafia ??  8) List of names is so long......

I bet - next oil-barons move will be "Copper Rod Bill" for every copper rod pricked in ground.  8)

and than "Sun Bill" for every Sun Ray Light......  8)
Do you have proof that anyone was killed because they had a free energy device?. You first have to prove they had a free energy device-->that now puts a stop to that-dosnt it.

Will any accurate power measurements be taken soon by !anyone! that is working on this B&L contraption?,or are we all racing off to buy copper rod's ::)

Sorry guy's,but WTF.
Havnt you all been through this before--->buy,buy,buy,,build,build,build-->end result  0
So far i see another lightbulb OU device-->im waiting for the super bright LED's to show up any time soon.

mscoffman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1116 on: April 03, 2015, 03:42:00 PM »
Clarence,

You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?

If Clarence wants to talk about the battery he is using, I would be interested hearing. Automobile sized batteries are from 50Ah to 80Ah
and go up to 120Ah to 150Ah for larger size all at 12VDC. Ah = "ampere hours" when you multiply Ah 12.0Vdc you get units of watt hours.
Battery voltage is variable though, so this conversion is only approximate. So you are talking in the area of ~1KWH total per battery.

One of the secrets of Clarence's success is that his new battery charger is really smart and can float a battery that is being charged
from a second source without damaging it. Lead/Acid batteries hate deep discharges and they hate being left in a partial state
of charge and so his battery charger will attempt to resolve those conditions as fast as possible. Acid/Lead hate these conditions
much more than Lithium batteries and these can really shorten the Acid/Lead batteries lifetime.

Batteries are manufactured as classes for a certain fixed duty, so for this service you want...if your battery
wears out prematurely try...

 "120AH"
 "Deep Discharge capability"
 "Non-Engine starting battery (rated in CCA)"
 "12Volt, Golf Cart service"

 use "flooded acid/lead" with the caps or use VLRA/AGM sealed batteries not Gel Cells
 
Golf cart service sounds anomalous but being able to handle mechanical impacts and having
the internal lead parts be very robust is important. Plus these batteries are often abused during
recharging so if you don't abuse them they will work out well.

Most Battery chargers are designed to handle supercapacitors, so if you don't care about
hold-up after main power failure you can use those in place of batteries. Again it the behavior
of the super battery charger that saves the day, it is really the DC supply to be using in this
instance.

:S:MarkSCoffman


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1117 on: April 03, 2015, 03:51:29 PM »
Clarence,

You say you are running completely off the mains (no connection to live or neutral). What ampere rating are your batteries that power your inverter?

Hello Hoppy,

I only use ONE battery at present and it is an AC DELCO brand #48PG  -770 cold crank amps - 70 AmpHour  . I power the XANTREX TRUE CHARGE 2 by    the    OUTPUT     of    the    Captor!
the charger KEEPS the battry charged and thus self powers the unit!

Thanks and cheers.

Clarence

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1118 on: April 03, 2015, 04:11:19 PM »
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can’t find any power ferrite ones.

Hi mrzlica. I summarized the info on the toroid and inverter and battery charger in the following post.
There is a link to the webpage which has the info on the toroids that Clarence is using as well.
Reply #1058:
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg444124/#msg444124
All the best...

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1119 on: April 03, 2015, 04:21:10 PM »
Hi Void,
In the same way as the ground loop situation you describe may well apply to Clarence's device, I also think this may well be the basis of Kapanadze's 'box' setups.

Hi Hoppy. To be clear, the mains ground loop issue should only be an issue for the B&L device if it
is being powered from the mains. If it is being powered from a battery and inverter then
the mains should not be a factor at all in the power that the device is producing.

The only way that I can see that Kapadnadze could have been making use of the mains is if he had
a hidden wire from his device to the mains hot wire, but people who have seen Kapadnadze's device
up close seem to have confirmed that there are no hidden wires. Just the earth ground wire(s). If you
just have one wire running to earth ground from the device as in the 'aquarium' device, I can't see any way
that you could be powering from the mains.
All the best...

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1120 on: April 03, 2015, 04:40:16 PM »

Clarence
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I power the XANTREX TRUE CHARGE 2 by    the    OUTPUT     of    the    Captor!
the charger KEEPS the battry charged and thus self powers the unit!

So to be clear,you are saying you have a self running device?.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1121 on: April 03, 2015, 04:57:01 PM »
So to be clear,you are saying you have a self running device?.

Hello tinman,

It is the unit that says YES. the unit says so by it's performance.

Clarence

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1122 on: April 03, 2015, 05:32:24 PM »
Hello tinman,

It is the unit that says YES. the unit says so by it's performance.

Clarence
Sounds great.
How are you measureing the units performance?.

Hoppy

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1123 on: April 03, 2015, 06:06:24 PM »
Hi Hoppy. To be clear, the mains ground loop issue should only be an issue for the B&L device if it
is being powered from the mains. If it is being powered from a battery and inverter then
the mains should not be a factor at all in the power that the device is producing.

The only way that I can see that Kapadnadze could have been making use of the mains is if he had
a hidden wire from his device to the mains hot wire, but people who have seen Kapadnadze's device
up close seem to have confirmed that there are no hidden wires. Just the earth ground wire(s). If you
just have one wire running to earth ground from the device as in the 'aquarium' device, I can't see any way
that you could be powering from the mains.
All the best...


Hi Void,

Of course you are right in the case of Kapanadze, assuming there is only one wire to the system and that being from earth ground. However, that is a big assumption, given that any other wire would have been very well concealled.  ;)

I would like to know what voltage Clarence measures between his mains neutral and earth ground, with his device totally disconnected from earth ground.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1124 on: April 03, 2015, 06:27:26 PM »

Hi Void,

Of course you are right in the case of Kapanadze, assuming there is only one wire to the system and that being from earth ground. However, that is a big assumption, given that any other wire would have been very well concealled.  ;)

I would like to know what voltage Clarence measures between his mains neutral and earth ground, with his device totally disconnected from earth ground.

HELLO Hoppy,

It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET A GRIP!!!!

Clarence