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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1732227 times)

nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1185 on: April 05, 2015, 11:50:24 AM »
"Electricity is not energy" Really? Since when? One of the units of energy (Joule) is equivalent to one Watt.second
For example, electricity can be converted TO and FROM: heat, light, sound.

Hi Memoryman,
I suggest that you think with more time about power and energy because is very important understand .

It is not that difficult to distinguish between Energy and power but can do some confusion if is not clearly understood.

 While energy is the ability to do work, Power is its measurement, which calculates the time by which the energy has been used.
Power is the capacity of energy, which is being used. In more simple terms, power is defined as the rate of doing work. Power finds it use in mechanical applications, heat applications, electrical applications and several other areas.
Another difference is that energy can be stored whereas power cannot be stored.Energy changes form but power doesn't change form.

Thanks


nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1186 on: April 05, 2015, 12:07:26 PM »
Void
The clamp meter reads current by the strength of the magnetic field around the wire. If your clamp meter is to close to the transformer,then it may be reading the magnetic field around that transformer as well,which would be extreemly strong with your shorted 3 turn coil. Even then,1000 amps should fry that wire in no time flat. If we look at an arc welder,we can melt 2.5mm steel rods with only 60 amps,so something is amiss with your clamp meter.

Yes is true what tinman say , the amp meter will do wrong measures because the nature of the high magnetic field, i see myself this in tests that i do.

We don't need to have 1000amp in secondary loop  is a nonsense. because the "amps measured" will don't be the output power! I say that to much times.
The loop secondary is only to maintain  the core material saturated,  is not need to waste the power in heat, because with high amps will heat all coil system, make nothing then more consume ! I suggest to people that like to learn that read this pdf
and i have sure that will be helpful to people.

thanks
http://web.ornl.gov/adm/partnerships/events/power_electronics/presentations/T2-C-Power_Flow_Control.pdf

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1187 on: April 05, 2015, 03:51:03 PM »
Hi wistiti. No, greater than 920 Amps measured on the 3 turn secondary seems very high to me.
Why the current is measuring so high on the 3 turn secondary, I don't know.
I also don't know what the winding turns count is on the primary winding, for turns ratio calculation purposes.
The other question is exactly how are B&L intending the secondary on the single transformer arrangement to
actually be wound? Anyone have any idea or details on that?
All the best...

HELLO VOID & ALL,

Since at present it seems that NONE OF YOU have ever YET comprehended what is happening or what to do about it or HOW TO ACHIEVE IT!!!!!!!!!! I am going to tell you for one last time what YOUR
SELF CREATED PROBLEMS ARE!!!!!!!  I presented this information WAY BACK AT THE BEGINNING!!!!!! but it just BLEW RIGHT OVER YOUR HARD SKULLS!!!!!!  This time you PAY ATTENTION or I'm
done with you! I have tried to freely share with ALL of you but you have begun to annoy me to no end with your D>>> unwillingness to just pay attention! I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD AND DON'T CLAIM TO but the VITAL things pertaining to a build of this nature I DO KNOW!           
                                                                                                                    PAY       ATTENTION!

1. VOID your shown ATTEMPT is an attempt at another LARGER TYPE POWER MODULE which I have not shown YET! and was defeated because it was totally incorrect.
    every one needs to build the basic unit I have built      FIRST!!!!!!!!  my build is the FIRST small unit they used in their first demonstration!! when a person builds IT
    THEN the WHOLE WORLD IS JERKED OPEN to them because they will have comprehended everything that is involved in all the REST!
2.For all of you HURRY UP WANNABES I am going to tell you how to complete the basic TWO TOROID SETUP with NOTHING ELSE BUT IT!!!!! no rods , no batteries, none of the other needed items.
   if you don't want to use TWO ferrite toroids then forget it all. just go lock yourself in a small closet somewhere and stay there forever so you don't contaminate the rest of the world!
  A.the toroid MUST ONLY have a primary winding---nothing else!!!!!!!  YOU  are going to MAKE the secondary winding  of -----2 1/2 turns of # 4 AWG TINNED stranded wire.!!!!
  B.BOTH of the toroids have to be wound EXACTLY as I have shown in the previous photo i posted. go back there and sit and study it for an hour or two!  after you have MADE the winding and placed it on the
      toroid ---both the position of the toroid and the position of the secondary winding had better EXACTLY match my photo!!!!!
      set both of the completed toroids in front of you with the # 4 AWG wires pointing straight at you! now spin one of them so the # 4 wires are pointing towards each other! the two top wires CONNECT TO       
      EACH OTHER!!!!!     then the two bottom #4 wires CONNECT TO EACH OTHER!!!!!!
      Join each of the primary neutrals TOGETHER!          then join each of the primary phase wires TOGETHER!   
  C. now JUST FOR TEST PURPOSES ONLY connect mains power to the primary leads. there should be NO smoke! NO heat! you should be able to take a clamp meter on AC amp setting and find an amp
       reading of some where around 1.3 amps +-.

If you have success in ALL of this then you can move forward to the rest of the build!


TA! TA!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1188 on: April 05, 2015, 04:59:30 PM »
Some extended patents useful information  ;)

qwekw

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1189 on: April 05, 2015, 05:04:07 PM »
Some extended patents useful information part 2  :D

qwekw

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1190 on: April 05, 2015, 05:06:16 PM »
Some extended patents useful information part 3  :D

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1191 on: April 05, 2015, 05:13:26 PM »
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown.   :)

All the best...

nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1192 on: April 05, 2015, 05:38:19 PM »
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application(s) to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown.   :)

All the best...

Hi void , i test with only transformer  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ob1GY6dXs

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1193 on: April 05, 2015, 05:57:52 PM »
@Clarence, in my test described above, I wasn't trying to test with the two transformer B&L configuration that you are experimenting with. ;)
As I stated in my comment above, I was trying a very basic preliminary test with the one transformer configuration shown in B&L's patent,
to just get an idea of what sort of power draw and current magnitudes would be involved with a 3 turn secondary, since I
don't have specific info on what sort of turn count B&L may have used on the secondary, if they even ever actually did experiment
with a one transformer variant of their device. Sometimes in patent applications people will describe other 'embodiments' of their
'invention' that they may not have actually tried, but they want their patent application to cover as many bases as they can in case
some of the other variations might actually work. Anyone know if B&L actually demonstrated a one transformer configuration?
I guess if they kept the transformer hidden in a box in their demos then that may be unknown.   :)

All the best...

Hello Void,

To put an end to your doubts about their ONE toroid module...........YES I have built it WITH PERFECT SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!
the AC clamp meter amperage was about a consistant 126-7 amp reading!!!!!!!!
They ONLY used this SINGLE toroid device as a LARGER OUTPUT module BECAUSE IT REQUIRES A ........LARGER.........WIRE GUAGE OR IT WILL BURN UP!!!!!!
to be able to use the toroid you showed you NEED to unwind the secondary coil windings AND GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!!      THEY WILL KILL WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO!!!!!!
there is a DEFINITE WAY the secondary needs to be wound OR IT WONT WORK!!!!!!!
I will purposely NOT show ANYONE HOW IT IS WOUND  at this time because you would just be cheating your self of MUCH VALUABLE EXPERIENCE AND COMPREHENSION if you do not build the TWO
TORID LOOP as I just previosly posted!!!!

After you make that TWO TOROID LOOP and achieve the 1.3  measured amps on the loop THEN I will explain to you IN DETAIL how you have achieved that success!!!!!  KNOW that once you have
achieved that success there is NOT ONE DAMN THING in the world that can stop you from having success with ALL THE REST of the program AND THE LARGER MODULES!!!!!!
                                                                                                                ITS JUST THAT SIMPLE PEOPLE

                                                                           BUT I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO KNOWINGLY LET YOU TAKE TAKE A SHORT CUT!



Void I also would require a photo of your plain TWO toroid loop set up!!!! in this case YOU can be the leader of the pack for a change!!!!!  wont that be nice. 


Thanks and Cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1194 on: April 05, 2015, 06:25:13 PM »
@Void
Try with only 1 or 2 turns.

Hi cheors. With one turn for the secondary, the input power to the transformer measured around 250 Watts
on the inline wattmeter, and the current on the one turn secondary measured around 380 to 400 Amps.
The 4 AWG wire became very hot after about 20 seconds or so.
All the best...


nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1195 on: April 05, 2015, 06:29:14 PM »
I can feel the satisfaction of some people put dislikes in my you-tube videos since i put the link in this topic, but i open to listen about their doubts if want .
I know to some people are obvious and frustrating when the results do not appear but if people have time to put dislike ,I assume they do not agree with what I show. try to leave some comment and will be more constructive .
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Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1196 on: April 05, 2015, 07:00:59 PM »
Hi cheors. With one turn for the secondary, the input power to the transformer measured around 250 Watts
on the inline wattmeter, and the current on the one turn secondary measured around 380 to 400 Amps.
The 4 AWG wire became very hot after about 20 seconds or so.
All the best...

Void

I just kicked on my unit for a quick look and reminder.
My TWO toroids at 119 v just draw 0.05 amps at 6 watts
the ac amps on the loop # 4 wire with my Fluke clamp meter measured 1.7 amps
which was above the idle normal of 1.3 amps. this because my unit was powering
my charger as A LOAD. which rise also demonstrates that the CAPTOR is doing what it is
SUPPOSED TO DO!             OH HOW I LOVE IT!


LOVIN IT!


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1197 on: April 05, 2015, 07:33:56 PM »
Hey oldman  :D

People in U.S. does not want FreeEnergyCAPTOR   -want to pay for everything - to show own significance !!  8)

Don't mess them the fun !! Same is everywhere !!  ;D ;D

Reg. and takecare !!
enjoykin

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1198 on: April 05, 2015, 07:43:21 PM »
Hey oldman  :D

People in U.S. does not want FreeEnergyCAPTOR   -want to pay for everything - to show own significance !!  8)

Don't mess them the fun !! Same is everywhere !!  ;D ;D

Reg. and takecare !!
enjoykin

seems that way!
take care also!


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1199 on: April 05, 2015, 07:48:35 PM »
EnJoyKin
You keep calling Clarence an old man, You see that post hole digger he's using
to make all those holes in frozen ground, and driving eight foot 5/8 [16MM] rods
down into frozen Iowa Tundra ...I know that I'm not getting anything in this Frozen
Connecticut ground for a few more weeks.

he could probably Crack walnuts between his thumb and forefinger  :o

never mind the handshake he must have [like a vise I am certain]

I'd be careful with that "Old Man" stuff.

And to be certain people here and everywhere are interested in this claim.

Very much so....

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