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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1395871 times)

Offline MadMack

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1230 on: April 06, 2015, 07:51:07 PM »
Tinman

non-stop = forever.

@all

Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.

I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1231 on: April 06, 2015, 08:06:37 PM »
OK folks - let's go from the begining

1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!

2 nd. Search on Tube videos with name UPWARD LIGHTING which is GIANT ELECTRON SUCKER OR CAPTOR OR WHATS SO EVER CALL IT.

3 rd. TELLURIC CURRENTS EXIST - GENIUS TESLA PROOVE IT.


ps @Void: Before make own conclusions - first do clear experiments with all initial condicions settled. Make short circuit with two wire everybody can do including kids.
This job need Clear Head, Sharp Mind , lack of emotions of anykind. And need systematic research not jumping ahead from one fake schematic to another.
These are very simple and objective rules. Take it or leave it. We need here constructive dialog not playing football game and fault starts.


Reg,Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1232 on: April 06, 2015, 08:16:08 PM »
ps @Void: Before make own conclusions - first do clear experiments with all initial condicions settled. Make short circuit with two wire everybody can do including kids.
This job need Clear Head, Sharp Mind , lack of emotions of anykind. And need systematic research not jumping ahead from one fake schematic to another.
These are very simple and objective rules. Take it or leave it. We need here constructive dialog not playing football game and fault starts.
Reg,Enjoykin

Crikey.  :o   It often reminds me of the movie 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' in these forums... ;)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1232 on: April 06, 2015, 08:16:08 PM »
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Offline Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1233 on: April 06, 2015, 08:19:25 PM »
Crikey.  :o   It often reminds me of the movie 'One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest' in these forums... ;)

Crikey  be constructive like I am !!  :D

Thanks
Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1234 on: April 06, 2015, 08:23:35 PM »
Crikey  be constructive like I am !!  :D

Enjoykin, spamming various threads here with all sorts of nonsense without having any idea
what you are talking about is not at all constructive. ;)
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1234 on: April 06, 2015, 08:23:35 PM »
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Offline Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1235 on: April 06, 2015, 08:24:38 PM »
OK let's talk about CAPTOR !!

Watch - very slow motion upward lightning

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnvMddYUrhg

What we need to replicate this real event in much smaller proportion and how ??

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1236 on: April 06, 2015, 08:35:41 PM »
Enjoykin, spamming various threads here with all sorts of nonsense without having any idea
what you are talking about is not at all constructive. ;)
All the best...


Void  - Why do you think I am spamming?. I haven't made any cheap experiments with two wires short circuited and I haven't made new phasical hypothesis.

I was presented my point of view and gave all of you some great ideas how i thnik its working. See my posts about Scalar Fields. I think simply and try to speak simply - so everybody can catch a sence of my ideas. This is main reason why i have not presented any formulas and equatons. KEEP IT SIMPLE - THIS IS A TIP FROM ALL GREAT PEOPLE,

Reg.
Enjoykin

ps: All similar conversations going all of us in blind-alley !!

Thank you
Enjoykin



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1236 on: April 06, 2015, 08:35:41 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1237 on: April 06, 2015, 09:33:15 PM »
OK folks - let's go from the begining

1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!
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hi ..  the device (arrowed)  pointed to in the diagram you posted was refered to in the B&L patent description as the 'magnetic pulse generator' and as far as I can see serves the same purpose as the spark gap used in other devices. this appears to be used to set the circuit frequency, this seems to be important, I have seen demonstrations of coils being tuned electronically to their optimum frequency to reach maximum potential, Kapanadze did this by adjusting the length of wire/ number of turns on the coils.  for the high tech approach  to tuning, frequency, and coils I think you need to search for Akula  ..  (if I remember correctly)  I would need to search my library. sk

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1238 on: April 06, 2015, 09:36:50 PM »
Tinman

non-stop = forever.

@all

Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.

I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.
Could you elaborate just a bit on what sort of battery charger you have that needs not electrical or mechanical input?   Maybe that slipped by others here but that sounds of considerable interest and while it may or may not be on topic if what you have is of interest we can start a separate message thread.   

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1238 on: April 06, 2015, 09:36:50 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1239 on: April 06, 2015, 09:48:09 PM »
Tinman

non-stop = forever.

@all

Since Clarence has already given the information for the parts to build this I intend to do so. It might not need a small fortune in ground rods. It might just need 20 square feet of surface area. But if it does take 60 ground rods to work then so be it.

I already have an earth ground battery charger that requires no electrical or mechanical input and it works just fine, so I'm not as skeptical about this device as some folks.

Hello Mad Mack,

You are going to be delighted! all the warblers are buried in disbelief but that's their problem. be sure and have all your meters ready from the get go! as you go from stage to stage your fascination
is going to grow by leaps and bounds! as you stated all the explicit directions you need are already there.
if I can help in any way, other than measurements as you are not needful in that department since you will be doing your own on site, just say so and I will be glad to do it.

the man that will be looking back at you in the mirror is going to have a BIG smile on his face!

My best!

Clarence



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1240 on: April 06, 2015, 10:40:17 PM »
1st. This circuit (original Barbosa Leil or whatever who made Electron Captor - Electron Sucker or call it like you want WILL NOT WORK WITHOUTH
HV. GOT IT !! ABSOLUTELY CAN'T WORK !!

Void  - Why do you think I am spamming?.

Hi Enjoykin.  Ariovaldo has stated that the device he took apart and analyzed does not make use of high voltage, it just uses the mains voltage,
or the voltage from an inverter, if you are using an inverter. The component you see in the schematic created by Ariovaldo may
be for voltage spike protection. Since Ariovaldo created that schematic, if he is around maybe he can explain what he intended there.
Your speculation about the device using high voltage is at complete odds with an actual device made by B&L. I doubt that will stop
you from continuing to state your unfounded speculations as 'fact' here however.  ;)

The B&L single transformer device uses a shorted secondary winding. Ariovaldo tested and
then disassembled an actual device built (and sold, I presume) by B&L, but both Ariovaldo and the previous owner
of the device could not get it to work as it was claimed to work, even though Ariovaldo stated that the previous owner
had a very good ground system in place. Ariovaldo stated that Barbosa then made the excuse to the previous
owner of the device that the primary was not wound with the right amount of turns, and that is why he couldn't
get it to work. Why on earth would B&L make and sell a device that has the primary wound wrong? That sounds very suspicious...
Also, the current meter on the device panel is reading the current from the shorted secondary, which is completely
meaningless in regards to determining either the input or output power of the device. Ariovaldo noted that this
is very strange, and it is indeed a very odd thing to do. Also looks very suspicious.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1240 on: April 06, 2015, 10:40:17 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1241 on: April 07, 2015, 12:05:20 AM »
Hi Void !!

Thank you for replay.   :D


If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!

Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.

Let's rotate viewing perspective.

What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.

Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.

That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!

Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.

I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems with our (people from this thread) help and start device working - if he didn't sold it.  :D

Thank you
Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1242 on: April 07, 2015, 01:03:49 AM »
Hi Void !!

Thank you for replay.   :D


If Ariovaldo story is TRUE than it means he is a second hand owner and device did not worked in his hands. Facts !!

Now suppose first hand owner story is a TRUE and he did not fixed any thing in device so he just took and sold non working device to Ariovaldo.

Let's rotate viewing perspective.

What if a manufacturer - Barbosa, Leal or somebody third who stand undercover in shadow, simple took and removed high voltage module from device - which is main part and without him device doesn't work. You can't be sure - never because you don't know. Looking logically something is missing in that box and my oppinion is "HIGH VOLTAGE PULSING MODULE".
Thinking from that perspective all story has a great sence - because manu OU devices like Kapanaze, Akula, Roman Karnouhov etc. used HV pulsing to get OverUnity. Right !!
So Barbosa-Leil (or somebody unknown) device is not a simple transformer box but COMPLEX PULSED DEVICE.

Barbosa has simple SOLD story about wrong primary or similar mistakes. It's lie. Why he has potted complete device if primary or secondary were wrong ?? Nonsence. Some UDERCOVER forces were stopped spreading this technology in world.

That "spark gap" should not be there if device is not using HV module !!

Void think logically - who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !! But if the main function of spark-gap is to pulse transformer with HV it is some other story and i think in right direction.

I want to see Ariovaldo original schematic from his hands and if is possible to make short conversation with him. I think he can try to fix the problems and start device working - if he didn't sold it.

Thank you
Enjoykin

Hi ,
Enjoykin i left my opinion about the spark gap subject , and the subject of toroidal transformer without the hv coil secondary.
The transformer toroid should have only the original primary in my case is 230v 50hz only the main primary.

about the "spark gap" :
Surge protector mechanism act like a pulse or spark gap. the effect can be achieved  with diodes too.

This discharge will do the work of pulsing .
See :
Primary coil generate a pulse of voltage higher then source , so the surge protector  discharge  to ground . but we have a small coil around the closed loop that go to ground in series with load . This will generate a reversed high voltage because secondary is  low turns so the induced voltage in primary will be very high, and the surge protector will discharge the excess again .
And the process will be repeat. but this is not a overunity is only a more efficiency process .
The closed loop is only to maintain the core of thyroidal transformer saturated. This is a MAG with feedback  . Or saturable reactor with feedback.
Thanks

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1243 on: April 07, 2015, 01:03:55 AM »
In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk.  Very similar to Tito.  It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.

I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens.  The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts.  I realize that for one at least English is not his first language.  Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics.  Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works.  The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself."  It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.

So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills.  It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd.  If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this.  How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1244 on: April 07, 2015, 01:43:01 AM »
who normally put "Spark Gap" for voltage spike protection in low voltage high current devices ?? Complete Nonsence !!

Hi Enjoykin. As I said, it was Avrioaldo who created that schematic based on the B&L device
that he had. What you are calling a spark gap may be voltage spike/surge suppressor for protection
against voltage spikes caused by lightning and that sort of thing, just like many power bars have these days.
If Ariovaldo is still around he can maybe provide more details on what he was indicating there in his schematic drawing.
All the best...


 

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