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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1741299 times)

Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1200 on: April 05, 2015, 08:35:26 PM »
Hey Chet what's wrong with 'oldman' term ??

Clarence said - he is 77years old man from Iowa and for me  it's quite OK and respectable !!

I don't know for U.S.  -  but in Russia any old man is RESPECTFUL and HONOURED !!

Does it strange for West world ??  :o

Reg.
Enjoukin



ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1201 on: April 05, 2015, 08:51:36 PM »
Well
I grew up in and around The NYC USA  melting pot, so I know that we all have different
traditions ...
However "Old Man" would usually get you a VERY stiff Hand shake from the
the "Old Man" on the other side of the greeting...

usually would let go when your knees hit the ground and you were begging for mercy....
[happened to me as a Kid ,and several attempts in years since , I'm no kid anymore  ;).

Clarence seems quite Young to me, I hope to be in that kind of shape when I get to his age.

but to be clear ...over here  Old man is not a compliment. however I suspect Clarence has no problem with friends saying this. some try to use the term with affection ..
and then get the crushing hand shake afterwards  ???

respectfully
Chet


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1202 on: April 05, 2015, 08:53:23 PM »
EnJoyKin
You keep calling Clarence an old man, You see that post hole digger he's using
to make all those holes in frozen ground, and driving eight foot 5/8 [16MM] rods
down into frozen Iowa Tundra ...I know that I'm not getting anything in this Frozen
Connecticut ground for a few more weeks.

he could probably Crack walnuts between his thumb and forefinger  :o

never mind the handshake he must have [like a vise I am certain]

I'd be careful with that "Old Man" stuff.

And to be certain people here and everywhere are interested in this claim.

Very much so....

ChetKremens@gmail.com

Hello ramset,

your post about "the old man" gives me a laugh, thanks. however I am 77 yrs going on 150 as  I say.
I do also believe as you say that there are those every where that are interested in desiring to do better for
themselves and the environment also at the same time which gives me encouragement.

I was drawn to this device in the first place because it is so simple when you think about it. low voltage for direct input to any ones
circuit breaker panel box, higher and higher amperage as you load it ability, 50 HZ or 60 HZ which ever you need, all of that at first is amazing.
maybe that is why people find it hard to receive when they hear results. B&L must have REALLY had a hill to climb for sure, my hats off to THEM for THEIR perseverance
indeed.
any way as I receive info so shall I post.

thanks again and cheers!

Clarence

Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1203 on: April 05, 2015, 08:56:11 PM »
I can feel the satisfaction of some people put dislikes in my you-tube videos since i put the link in this topic, but i open to listen about their doubts if want .
I know to some people are obvious and frustrating when the results do not appear but if people have time to put dislike ,I assume they do not agree with what I show. try to leave some comment and will be more constructive .
Thanks

Hey nelsonrochaa !! :D
I was watching many your videos and i think you are great researcher and smart man which think with own mind. I like your quality for sure !!

About likes and dislikes - solve the problem with easy. Just inhibit comments. Put a link/s on file/s and site/s. Will be enough. Who want to take informations he will -  trolls sure will not.
Use OU-principle - Take it or leave it.

ps: people usually work like PID controllers.  If the some system is lot sensitive to feedback - they will do everything to make the system out of work. Simple your reactions are feedback for them. Solver is simple: take control over the feedback and filter all like PID controllers do.  :D

Reg.
Enjoykin


 
 

cheors

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1204 on: April 05, 2015, 09:45:24 PM »
@ Clarence
Back to the toroids wiring:
I understand that they are identically wired : primaries in phase and secondaries also  in phase. Right ?
Theorically the output current should be null.
You get 1.3A because components are not ideal (number of turns, ferrite  compound , ...)
If i forget the 10 AWG "polarizing" wire connected to one side of the secondaries.
OK  or i have missed something ?

Regards


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1205 on: April 05, 2015, 11:43:18 PM »
@ Clarence
Back to the toroids wiring:
I understand that they are identically wired : primaries in phase and secondaries also  in phase. Right ?
Theorically the output current should be null.
You get 1.3A because components are not ideal (number of turns, ferrite  compound , ...)
If i forget the 10 AWG "polarizing" wire connected to one side of the secondaries.
OK  or i have missed something ?

Regards

Hello cheors,

it is still the same as I told void in my previous post to him. take ALL of the theoretical ideas in your head -rip them out-and
set them aside for awhile or they will just keep defeating you.
also you are still trying to"JUMP AHEAD" so to speak , without doing anything.
like I told void, you get TWO feritte toroids with primaries only and then YOU wind the secondaries as I have shown in photos  I have
posted before, exactly as shown ( stop trying to guess about something), and then connect them exactly as have SAID to do it and then
post a photo of your completed CAPTOR LOOP assembly and THEN I will explain in detail WHY it works AND HOW it works......but
NOT until you do YOUR PART!!!!

I am simply NOT knowingly going to let any one take a short cut!!!!!!

the first one that completes the simple Captor loop set up and sends an ACTUAL photo of it completed will get to be LEADER OF THE PACK
for a change. and I already KNOW they are going to be Spitting out result values like pennies because they have tried it!!!
My advise is to also get one of the KILL-A-WATT meters to put in between the mains and the primaries of the toroids.
they are SO easy to use to see what you are doing. just a FINGER TOUCH ACTION. delightful!

Thanks and cheers!

Clarence

nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1206 on: April 06, 2015, 01:39:18 AM »
Hey nelsonrochaa !! :D
I was watching many your videos and i think you are great researcher and smart man which think with own mind. I like your quality for sure !!

About likes and dislikes - solve the problem with easy. Just inhibit comments. Put a link/s on file/s and site/s. Will be enough. Who want to take informations he will -  trolls sure will not.
Use OU-principle - Take it or leave it.

ps: people usually work like PID controllers.  If the some system is lot sensitive to feedback - they will do everything to make the system out of work. Simple your reactions are feedback for them. Solver is simple: take control over the feedback and filter all like PID controllers do.  :D

Reg.
Enjoykin


 
Hi Enjoykin,
Thanks for the tip ,  and for compliment.
If i put fakes all people will like and put positive vote, but i don't lie in anything that i show the people dislike  lol.
The ignorance can blind people .
wish Luck for everyone.   

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1207 on: April 06, 2015, 06:04:01 AM »


Clarence
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take ALL of the theoretical ideas in your head -rip them out-and
set them aside for awhile or they will just keep defeating you.
Thats tha ticket-throw out all common sense before continuing with this project :D

 
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like I told void, you get TWO feritte toroids with primaries only and then YOU wind the secondaries as I have shown in photos  I have
posted before, exactly as shown ( stop trying to guess about something), and then connect them exactly as have SAID to do it and then
post a photo of your completed CAPTOR LOOP assembly and THEN I will explain in detail WHY it works AND HOW it works......but
NOT until you do YOUR PART
!!!!
And so it begin's-->Yes-go spend your money,and use your time to build a device that the inventor refuses to explain or show working until you do so.This is where you throw out common sense-->this is where you pay for your new car before you even know if it runs or not-->even the salesman refuses to start it for you.

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the first one that completes the simple Captor loop set up and sends an ACTUAL photo of it completed will get to be LEADER OF THE PACK
This is where the leader of the pack must know he has the rest of the sheep following him,and doing what he says before you get to eat that nice green grass in the next paddock.
This is your chance to a claim to fame.

 
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and I already KNOW they are going to be Spitting out result values like pennies because they have tried it!!!
Well i dont know about spitting out result's,but you will certainly be saying goodbye to some pennies.

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My advise is to also get one of the KILL-A-WATT meters to put in between the mains and the primaries of the toroids.
they are SO easy to use to see what you are doing. just a FINGER TOUCH ACTION. delightful!
You will also need a hydrometer to measure the pacific gravity value in your battery,as the most accurate and direct way to test the state of charge of a battery cell is to determine the specific gravity of the battery electrolyte,as floating voltage of a battery is no measure of stored energy within that battery.
You will also need a 3 or 4 channel scope that has simultaneous voltage and current waveform acquisition capability along with analysis functions.You can also use the NI PXI-4070 FlexDMM along with NI LabVIEW analysis function software. This is to measure the reactive power value that Clarence's meters will be missing.

So to bring back some of that common sense,you must ask yourself these questions.
1-Why do you have to use ferrite core toroids at these low frequencies?
2-Why dose Clarence insist that you buy and build before he has shown any sort of measurements of P/in and P/out?.
3-Why dose he refuse to explain or even do a loaded run for a couple of hours before you go and spend your cash,and use your time to build the device?.

What the hell,i have some cash to burn-->im going to build this wonder device.
Chet,i'll be in touch soon-may need some !!ferrite!! toroids if i cant locate them here in OZ.

https://www.sleepio.com/articles/sleep-science/what-happens-if-a-person-does-not-sleep/



cheors

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1208 on: April 06, 2015, 08:53:00 AM »
If you really want to share with us : explain, first and show your device running ,two.
I don't understand why you want that people replicate without sufficient informations.
I have not enough money to start copying without a very well undestanding of how it works.

Cheers

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1209 on: April 06, 2015, 09:15:40 AM »
what you need to understand, and young people often don't, Clarence is a wise old man, I also am an old man ..  he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground.  you have to build on foundations, it also sorts out those who will commit themselves from the 'here today gone tomorrow' guys.  ..  There are lots of young kids out there talking hot rods, fuel injection and nitrous and they don't now how to change a fuel pump .. it's just time wasting and the older we get the less time we have to waste.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done.  .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances ..  and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything.  Clarence isn't forcing anyone,  if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.

cheors

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1210 on: April 06, 2015, 10:05:39 AM »
i am an old man too.

tinman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1211 on: April 06, 2015, 10:38:05 AM »
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he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground.
No point in planting potato's that wont grow. First let's see the crop grow before we go planting some more.

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you have to build on foundations
What foundations?. That is what we want to see first-solid foundations on which to build on.

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I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done.  .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances
Why dose anyone have to take chance when Clarence could quite easly remove all doubt of unwarranted chances-->remember,this is people's money and time you are playing with here.

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and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything.
And this is what we are trying to avoid-undue mistakes.

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Clarence isn't forcing anyone,
Really?. He is saying-->spend money and time first,then i will tell you how it work's. So you are forced to build first if you want any answers as to how(and if) it works.

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if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.
And as we have seen time and time again,there are those that actually win the lotto-->it's not a maybe or unknown,it is a fact.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1212 on: April 06, 2015, 01:58:09 PM »
what you need to understand, and young people often don't, Clarence is a wise old man, I also am an old man ..  he wants people to know how to plant the potaoes, .. not just to be there to put them in their baskets after he has dug them out of the ground.  you have to build on foundations, it also sorts out those who will commit themselves from the 'here today gone tomorrow' guys.  ..  There are lots of young kids out there talking hot rods, fuel injection and nitrous and they don't now how to change a fuel pump .. it's just time wasting and the older we get the less time we have to waste.
I'm a sceptic, but .. procrastinatiing doesn't get the job done.  .. either do it or don't do it, sometimes you have to take chances ..  and the guy who never made a mistake never made anything.  Clarence isn't forcing anyone,  if you want a shot at the lotto you buy a ticket.

Hello skribat,

Sir you are 1000% on point! I enjoy being able to pass information on to valid fellow members as it become available. for whatever reason a few are nothing but impatience in totality and I consider the source and simply ignore it. I am retired and don't work for anyone. I help my family members on this farm which keeps me occupied time wise. sometimes it eats into my project time but oh well I get there!
I hear some whine about money and I can ALMOST understand. I am on a very low retirement rigid budget but if you recall my unit photos HERE I AM. wasn't by accident. the LORD has provided me. I
I used some of it to help myself and some of HIS other children. simple.

as soon as I FINISH the last connections of all the latest rods I will be able accomplish some results and make a post. however all the HURRY bugs will simply have to wait due time!

by the way; I will have to admit the feature of the rod installation (which is indeed necessary ) is QUITE a physical chore! one that may actually cripple B&L sales in Brazil (hopefully not for their sake)!
enjoyed your post!

thanks again.

BTW: the SECRET information everyone has been wanting has been right in front of your noses for months!
          Hmmmmmm? wonder where that could be?

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1213 on: April 06, 2015, 01:59:21 PM »
hi Tinman .. what you say is quite true, the arguments you put forward are perfectly valid I don't have a problem with that.  I think Clarence wants to start with a blank sheet of paper. Often the things we have already been taught and preconceived ideas get in the way of our following simple instructions.  Do you remember when you first started working with computers? for me it was the early 1970's, remember how illogical much of it seemed to be, and 'Logic' .. it took me a while to get my head round that, I thought it all seemed totally illogical.  young children learn fast because they know nothing, they take what they are given and accept it, it's the fastest way forward at that time in their development. .. ... I think Clarence wants us to start with a blank sheet and put to one side what we already know because it will get in the way of achieving the objective, it's his game, he makes the rules, we decide if we want to play.
What he is proposing to start with costs just a little but will provide the 'hands-on' understanding for what is to come.  If we already understood what he wants us to know we would be doing it instead of talking about it.  I include myself in this .. we are all guilty at some time of not seeing the elephant in the room. Just like you I am putting forward the other side of the argument. Let everyone choose which path to take maybe one of them will be good, nothing ventured nothing gained, good luck to all.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1214 on: April 06, 2015, 02:16:06 PM »
Hi void , i test with only transformer  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-ob1GY6dXs

Hi, Thank you for your video you can give us the plan of your experiment pleased