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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1732035 times)

mrzlica

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1095 on: April 02, 2015, 06:23:39 PM »
     Hi Clarence!
 
Thanks for updating us on you build, and I hope you will proceed no mater
what will be written on the forum. :D
I have I question, can you provide more detail data in you transformer cores,
so it can be ordered from Europe, the shiping from Usa is very expensive! ;)
 
Regards 8)
 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1096 on: April 02, 2015, 06:33:32 PM »
hi enjoykin, in great mother russia they didnt teach good manners?

Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1097 on: April 02, 2015, 06:35:58 PM »
Hello mrzlica

How do you know ?? How can you be sure ?? You even did not seen or tested his buid.

And what about if some @Man in Black@ has visited him and give him a hint "shoot up your mouth -delete all videos and don't make similar mistakes or ..........".

Open your mind and free widely and freely !!

ps: You can't be sure never. Only if you buid it and want to say a TRUTH !!

reg.
Enjoykin



Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1098 on: April 02, 2015, 06:42:17 PM »
hi enjoykin, in great mother russia they didnt teach good manners?

hi pedroxime

maybe your great mother U.S. didn't teach your governement good manners - to not steal and classify more than 5 600 FREE ENERGY patents ? Ask about your great papa NSA - maybe he told you ! 8)

mrzlica

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1099 on: April 02, 2015, 06:43:54 PM »
Yes we agree on something,
we have to build it our self to know for sure. ;)
Sorry to all on the forum for this unnecessary posts from me.


regards, to all



Enjoykin

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1100 on: April 02, 2015, 07:03:17 PM »
Hey mrzlica no need to be sorry - this is an open forum and friends conversation !!  :)


Why i have shown snapshoot of that Tor transformer and winding directions ??

Some time ago - maybe month or more i have uploaded some pictures of Russian OU builder with almost exactly Tor transformer configuration on old TV ferrite-core and same opposite winding directions. Man has got more than 360 Watts free energu on output. And he shown it. He gave schematic and hints how to wind. So many people used same ferrite cores and same kind of winding and they got OU. This is not simple coincidence - i would tell a OU-RULE.  :D

overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy






Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1101 on: April 02, 2015, 07:42:22 PM »
     Hi Clarence!
 
Thanks for updating us on you build, and I hope you will proceed no mater
what will be written on the forum. :D
I have I question, can you provide more detail data in you transformer cores,
so it can be ordered from Europe, the shiping from Usa is very expensive! ;)
 
Regards 8)

Hello mrzlica,

the transformer cores are ferrite round toroids as you can see by past photos.
they are 4 5/8 inch outside diameter.
the inside diameter is 2 1/2 inch.
the wall thickness 1 inch.
the wall height is 1 5/8 inch.

my supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.
I specified that the primary windings ONLY COVER 160 degree area of the outside circular area.
this was to assure that there was no interference between the primary circuit operation
and the Captor circuit operation and they have ALWAYS performed greatly.

again as always ---valid question will be answered.

Cheers.

Clarence

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1102 on: April 02, 2015, 08:45:23 PM »
I have mentioned that for any type of OU device which makes use of the mains AC supply
and which also uses an earth ground connection at the load or elsewhere as an important part
of achieving 'over unity', that a very real possibility exists for having a ground loop from
the earth ground on the device back to the mains. This is because the mains neutral wire is
connected directly to earth ground at the service box, and possibly also at the power pole in
many countries.

In the B&L device which Clarence has been testing with, the hot (L) wire is connected directly to
one side of the load, and the other side of the load is connected to earth ground. If you are powering
using the mains, then you will have a ground loop from the mains hot (L) phase wire, through
the earth ground connection on the load, and then back through the soil back to the service panel where
the neutral wire is connected directly to earth ground. For this reason, for the B&L device Clarence has been testing
with and for any similar sort of device setups using earth ground, you really have to test with a battery and inverter
for the AC power source.  If you have a really good earth connection at the load, and good soil conductivity,
you can actually supply a lot of power to the load from the mains, and it may not show up on your power meter.
This can be very misleading if you aren't aware of the potential for mains ground loop issues, but this problem can
be easily avoided by using a 12V battery and inverter instead of powering from the mains.
Also, with this particular B&L design, you actually have an earth ground connected to the neutral wire at the input of the
device as well, so that will make a much shorter path back from the load earth ground to the neutral through the soil.

See the attached drawings for clarification. It will depend on what country you live in, and how they run the
power wires to houses and buildings in your area, but this warning about ground loops back to the mains
will likely apply to many countries. A good rule of thumb is if you are making use of earth ground as an important
part of an 'OU device' for trying to produce OU, then use a battery and inverter for the power source 
if you need to power with 120/240 VAC, and you can avoid this ground loop problem altogether.

Basically for the B&L device with the hot (L) wire connected directly to the load, if you are powering with the mains
you can't determine anything in regards to over unity for the device because of the ground loop issue.
Using a battery and inverter as the power source will avoid this problem.

All the best...
« Last Edit: April 03, 2015, 12:20:37 AM by Void »

mscoffman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1103 on: April 03, 2015, 02:56:39 AM »
The best thing to do is what Clarence has done. Keep the utility ground and the array ground as totally separate
entities.

If you have developed your system totally separate and let's say you want to use a grid interconnection inverter to sell
this power back to the utility, you would put a one-to-one turns transformer of lets say 4KVA rating (large) between the two
systems for galvanic isolation purposes. The utility would then buy back all the power available 24/7 from the intertie
inverter. By recording how much power you sell back you have an excellent record of what your system is capable of
doing at maximum power on a continuous basis.

If you plan to continue selling power back to the utility in the long term, you will need an agreement. And as has been
suggested it makes sense to keep these Captor systems "low profile" relative to your local utility. These type devices
may be fun to play with, but they really don't "solve" anything. As you will notice what happens to the IR bulb when there
is a wide spread power outage affecting your location.

:S:MarkSCoffman


Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1104 on: April 03, 2015, 04:07:33 AM »
The best thing to do is what Clarence has done. Keep the utility ground and the array ground as totally separate
entities.

If you have developed your system totally separate and let's say you want to use a grid interconnection inverter to sell
this power back to the utility, you would put a one-to-one turns transformer of lets say 4KVA rating (large) between the two
systems for galvanic isolation purposes. The utility would then buy back all the power available 24/7 from the intertie
inverter. By recording how much power you sell back you have an excellent record of what your system is capable of
doing at maximum power on a continuous basis.

If you plan to continue selling power back to the utility in the long term, you will need an agreement. And as has been
suggested it makes sense to keep these Captor systems "low profile" relative to your local utility. These type devices
may be fun to play with, but they really don't "solve" anything. As you will notice what happens to the IR bulb when there
is a wide spread power outage affecting your location.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hello MarkSCoffman,

MY intent is NOT or EVER to sell one D... amp BACK to ANY utility company. I despise them all.
I do NOT get ANY current or voltage from them AT ALL!!!! to start with!!!!
I am NOT so called" tapped " into them in ANY manner whatsoever and you NEED to get over that delusion!!!!!

"fun to play with , but they really don't "solve" any thing " is RIDICULOUS to say the least!!!!!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1105 on: April 03, 2015, 07:21:53 AM »
Hi Clarence!
Strange they dont understand you run it completly out of the grid... Only with a 12v lead acid battery and a 120vac inverter ...!


Anyway, i have (again) some question!
With the setup you have now (near 60 ground rods) when it is running in loop , what is the max load you can put on it?

Other question, the ground "captor" seem to be the key. But do you think we must have a high power inverter or just adding ground rod will be find? (Meen nead 100w inverter to drive 100 w load + selfloop or we can drive bigger load than the "inverter driving part" is rathing for??)

Again, thank you!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1106 on: April 03, 2015, 09:24:45 AM »


Hi Void,

In the same way as the ground loop situation you describe may well apply to Clarence's device, I also think this may well be the basis of Kapanadze's 'box' setups.

mrzlica

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1107 on: April 03, 2015, 09:35:03 AM »
 Hi Clarence,
 
Thanks for your quick answer.
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can’t find any power ferrite ones.
The one mentioned in your invoice seams to be ordinary laminated toroid transformer ( core 60Hz).
Nothing special about them, or I’m missing something? :o
I just want to be clear on the captor part and don’t get it in the leg, like you mentioned. ;D
 
transforem link TD 300:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html

have a nice day ;)
 

a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1108 on: April 03, 2015, 10:14:40 AM »
Clarence:  re Void's and Hoppy's  comments.


There is one thing you have to watch out for.
 Most inverters DO NOT have an isolation transformer between battery input and mains output.
 This means that if you plug into your  household appliances, you have to make sure that they are independent of your house mains. IF you simply hook your inverter into your mains wiring, it will cause a ground loop with your grounding rods.
I know because I inadvertently looped my inverter in  one experiment.


 Anyway congratulations, and remember, that having gotten this far, you are bound to get more attention from the community.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1109 on: April 03, 2015, 10:44:52 AM »
Hi Clarence,
 
Thanks for your quick answer.
I was checking the company which produce your transformers, but I can’t find any power ferrite ones.
The one mentioned in your invoice seams to be ordinary laminated toroid transformer ( core 60Hz).
Nothing special about them, or I’m missing something? :o
I just want to be clear on the captor part and don’t get it in the leg, like you mentioned. ;D
 
transforem link TD 300:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_designs_117v_60hz.html

have a nice day ;)

Hello mrzlica'

I have attached again the copy of my invoice from Bridgeport Magnetics for the type and design of the toroid transformer that I use from them.
it will definitely help when you speak to them to use the old invoice number shown AND the complete description of what is shown as listed in the
wording of the part description.

when you say laminated that implies that is a METAL toroid made of laminated sheets of METAL and not ferrite material as mine are.
I know from experience that sometimes it is hard to get across to these people what you are wanting. I also experienced that scenario too way back at the beginning.
that is why I say to give the description and my old Invoice number because they ALREADY have this data on file within their records and they can just CLICK to it!

hope that helps.

thanks and cheers!

Clarence