Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (Read 1745749 times)

TinselKoala · « **Reply #1260 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:12:17 AM »

Quote from: ramset on April 08, 2015, 12:40:37 AM

SSsssoo
I get the feeling that Clarence may have left the building, I surely hope this is NOT the case,
however I would greatly appreciate it if those who are not interested in replicating or experimenting would allow those who are interested to continue .

To whom it may concern
next time a commercial comes on during your SpongeBob Squarepants show go visit another thread....
Please leave this one alone.

thx
Chet

Chetkremens@gmail.com

Skeptic Power! Just asking questions (like "where's the data?") or making demands (like Show Me The Data) drives the sensitive OU inventor back into the woodwork Yet Again. Shame on you, Skeptics, don't you know that people who have OU devices have very thin skins? No criticism, no questions, no demands for data are allowed, you don't want to scare them away. Remember EMJunkie!

And of course pointing out what's wrong with the original claims of Barbosa and Leal... that's just trolling, isn't it? Like the Brazilian single wire earth-return electrical distribution system, the failure of Arivaldo's purchased system to work, the criminal convictions of B&L .... none of that is relevant. Clarence says he has self-running OU, therefore he has it, QED, no arguments from the peanut gallery please.

Or maybe... just maybe.... his batteries finally ran down after all.

wistiti · « **Reply #1261 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:22:26 AM »

Hi Clarence!
Here is our replication of your device. As i said before here the ground outside is still deeply frozen so we improvise with the grounding part... The neutral of the the primary goes to sewers cast iron pipe and the return ground came from the main house ground copper water pipe.

One other thing different of your setup is the primary of the 2 toroidal transformer are wound all over the toroid... they are factory made transformer (primary 120vac, sec 12vac removed)
The system work! it seem to charge the battery while runing and ligh a 50w load.

But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...

Can you help me with this issue??
Thank you!

ramset · « **Reply #1262 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:32:54 AM »

Wistiti
can you make that image smaller ,it made the whole page HUGE.

Milehigh and Tinsel
I really could have waited a few days [7] to read what Clarence
had to say, Much better than this "throw the Bum out" tactic from
fellows who are not the least bit interested in his claims.
a Passing thought from MH "oh I just dropped By to tell you guys
your idiots for watching whatever it is your watching.
And Tinsel I honestly have no idea what Clarence was
going to show us ,but it would have been much better
than this...{nothing]

Yeah we learned a lot here........
I have personally been burned by groundloops I really wanted to
understand just what Clarence was seeing.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1263 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:38:19 AM »

"Oh I just dropped By to tell you guys your idiots for watching whatever it is your watching."

Making a straw man argument does not help anything. I never said that.

ramset · « **Reply #1264 on:** April 08, 2015, 03:49:36 AM »

Mh
Yeah that's how your post reads....

I personally was very interested in How Clarence was making this claim
I have been burned By groundloops many times ,you showing up and giving
this NASTY potty mouth comment to what you felt was happening to a room full
of fellows trying to understand exactly what he was doing is completely inappropriate.

not good at all.
I could see how the Chris thing got out of hand ..the man was rude
here you were rude.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1265 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:06:15 AM »

Sorry, but the rude guy is the guy that refuses to offer up any proof of his claims and wants people to go out and spend time and money to build it anyways.

Beyond that, all that you have to do it look at the schematic and pass judgment on it. No combination of passive and active electronics components can be configured to produce free energy. That means you can play with resistors, capacitors, MOSFETS, transistors, spark gaps, and coils coils coils until you are blue in the face and you will not be able to extract a single drop of free energy from any circuit.

Yes, I know that people play with electronic circuits all the time in search of free energy. However, what I stated above is true and is holding true. Once in a while I make a comment. Clarence had a lot of attitude and swagger, so I felt it would be appropriate to comment here.

Hey, he can come back and act with the minimum expectation for normal behaviour when it comes to this subject matter: Explain your alleged technology and show your well documented experiments and well documented data and demonstrate competency in electronics.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/11/19/police-fake-doctor-injected-cement-super-glue-into-womans-buttocks-for-enhancement-procedure/

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Morris allegedly injected the victim with a combination of cement, mineral oil, Fix-a-Flat tire sealant and super glue, then sealed the incision with more super glue, police said.

bringdownthezog · « **Reply #1266 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:12:17 AM »

There are folks here who claim they know ALL of electricity?

I got news for you. Don't buy everything you read in textbooks about electricity. Most of EM theory and the books written on it are worthless paperweights. I would encourage people to go out and actually make something rather than just sitting here and commenting on what Clarence has written in these pages. If you have a objection to what Clarence has written then I'd like to hear it. The only person who has thrown a technical objection is Tinman and I can see where he is coming from.

Clarence has done a mighty fine job documenting the results of his Captor setup. Let him continue.

ramset · « **Reply #1267 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:12:19 AM »

MH
I'm really not interested in your mantra ,I could probably recite it from memory by now
I am interested in what Clarence was doing and how he was taking his measurements
which he said he would share when he had time.[next week]

it would have been a good thing to know ,for all concerned.
have a good night

Chet

MileHigh · « **Reply #1268 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:18:37 AM »

Chet:

If Clarence is real he will do just what you are hoping for. But, if he presents amateurish junk data then that should be stated by someone. Don't blame me for "scaring him away" either. I believe he claims he is a 77-year-old grown man, correct?

BringDown:

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Most of EM theory and the books written on it are worthless paperweights.

I can only assume that you are stating that from a position of ignorance. Your computer, your cellphone, and your multi-megabit home wireless network, and your 19-megabit per second over-the-air local digital television stations are all working just fine, correct?

MileHigh

bringdownthezog · « **Reply #1269 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:36:54 AM »

Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ?

[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8

bringdownthezog · « **Reply #1270 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:43:45 AM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 04:18:37 AM

Chet:

If Clarence is real he will do just what you are hoping for. But, if he presents amateurish junk data then that should be stated by someone. Don't blame me for "scaring him away" either. I believe he claims he is a 77-year-old grown man, correct?

BringDown:

I can only assume that you are stating that from a position of ignorance. Your computer, your cellphone, and your multi-megabit home wireless network, and your 19-megabit per second over-the-air local digital television stations are all working just fine, correct?

MileHigh

MileHigh,

Sorry mate but the computer, cellphone and the wireless networks are worthless heaters and you know it. Don't know if you know how they work or if you are claiming that it is the only way to work with electric circuits but you should take another good look at the claims in the books.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #1271 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:44:35 AM »

Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 04:36:54 AM

Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ?

[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8

First, that is no where near "10 times more light' as claimed. Second...what is so special about what he is doing? He is using a variable air cap and is changing the capacitance of his circuit. His inductor was changed by the addition of the magnets to the ferrite. (We all did this 7 years ago in the JT topic) Then he added a ceramic cap to the inductor. Where is the short?

Let me know when he can light 400 leds from his single AA battery like I did 7 years ago, and then we can talk. Every one of my 400 leds were brighter than his "10 times brighter" leds

Bill

a.king21 · « **Reply #1272 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:53:45 AM »

Void · « **Reply #1273 on:** April 08, 2015, 04:57:44 AM »

Quote from: wistiti on April 08, 2015, 03:22:26 AM

But there is something wrong with it. The big 4 awg secondary became way to hot!!! the plastic around the conector melt after 2 min. ...

Hi Wistiti. From Clarence's description of having very low current (around approx. 1.3 to 1.5 Amps or so) in his secondary loop
(with no load connected, I think), it sounds like he may well have the two secondary windings connected to each
other as phase opposing. Try connecting the connecting wires on the secondaries the other way around, and see
if that reduces the current in the secondaries.
All the best...

MileHigh · « **Reply #1274 on:** April 08, 2015, 05:01:55 AM »

Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 04:36:54 AM

Forget Barbosa and Leal for a moment because that would be too much for you to handle. Who can tell me the theory and what is going on with this simple circuit ? Anyone ?

[Joule Thief Shorted.10 times more light]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFowJ-SqEi8

Well, it's hard to state exactly why when just looking at that clip because there are no scope traces to be found.

The guy says this:

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This joule thief works much better when the ferrite core is shorted with a wire - a magnet or a capacitor. I adjust the trim capacitor for the best resonance.

He says "better" meaning "brighter." Notice that he doesn't even discuss the fact that the draw from the battery has increased. He says "best resonance" but the problem is that a Joule Thief doesn't even resonate.

A possible short answer is that the effective inductance of the toroidal transformer is reduced a lot, causing higher frequency operation and increased current draw from the battery. But without a proper bench analysis you are flying blind. However, without some kind of agreed upon metric like Lumens per watt of power draw, "better" is not even defined.

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