Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (Read 1741924 times)

tinman · « **Reply #1305 on:** April 08, 2015, 05:36:26 PM »

Quote from: a.king21 on April 08, 2015, 01:32:26 PM

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There are two types of people: Those who encourage and those who discourage.

No-there is not,not here on OU.com.
Here there are those that believe blindly,and those that seek truth through carfull measurements-->which must be supplied by the claiment.

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The title of this site is overunity.

Indeed it is. Do you have proof of an OU device?.

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Those who do not like it should find another site, instead of annoying people here.

What you mean to say is-if you dont go along with what we say,and believe blindly like we do,then p*ss off.

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We are all big boys on this site and know that we do things at our own risk -
and we do not need baby sitters.

So you would buy a car without taking it for a test drive?.

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Certain members have come on to this site dismissing it without even bothering to find
what is going on. That is just disrespectful.

Certain members can look at a schematic and know that it just wont work. I went to the trouble off sepperating the captor loop transformer from the rest of the circuit,and explained what 2 things could happen
1-if wound in phase,you would have a big nothing transformer.
2-if one coil is wound out of phase,you have a big heater
-->and guess what,the first person who built the captor loop transformer is now here asking why everything is getting hot and melting-->aint that a hoot.

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Clarence: Why don't you just pm the good guys with your results. It's easy enough.
That way we get away from the garbage on this thread.

The good guys are actually the ones trying to tell you that the device wont work as per the schematic. You dont only learn from your mistakes a.king21,you also learn from those that know,so as you can limit mistakes. This is why you go to school-is it not?

You(and others-including myself) need to see this forum as a school as well as a place to come see and try some interesting things. I was once the same,but in time you can actually start to see the forest through the trees.

Here is a little something for you. Tonight-not 3 hours ago,i finished my new magnetic asisted coil. So i set it up in an inductive kickback circuit to see how well it would charge batteries,and when i disconected the battery that runs the device so as i could try looping it back to the run battery,the bloody thing kept on running-->without the battery hooked up. So what do you think the first thing i done was?-->thats right,i grabed the video camera and filmed it running with no battery conected. That video is uploading now,and i will post it here as soon as it's done. BUT-do you see me making a thread telling everyone to start building this (what appears to be)self running device?-->no,and until i know where or what the power source is that is feeding it,i will make no OU claim of any type,even though it appears to be running it self. The energy has to be coming from some where,and until i find out where,then no one should rush off to build this device.

truesearch · « **Reply #1306 on:** April 08, 2015, 05:39:41 PM »

@tinman:

Looking forward to seeing you project

truesearch

MileHigh · « **Reply #1307 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:06:07 PM »

Quote from: bringdownthezog on April 08, 2015, 09:18:18 AM

MH, This is the Clarence circuit you were looking for?
I cannot understand your frustration on serious testing. There is no better test than having it running for days and collecting data like Clarence has.

He has been providing clear data on this device like measurements on the input. What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.

http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg442810/#msg442810

Okay so I looked at the simplified schematic. I marked it up and attached it.

Look, I see this:

Battery -> Inverter -> (load and smart charger) -> back to the battery.

The conductivity between the "Ground Grid Input" and the "Ground Grid Return" is going to be very high and you can treat it as a short circuit.

I have no clue what the pair of toroids is supposed to do and the connections are "strange" but it doesn't really matter. The output of the sine wave inverter is directly connected to the input of the smart charger. The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away. This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.

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What exactly is your claim ? That passive circuits cannot make overunity? That's just absurd.

It's only absurd if your preconceived notions have blinded you. That sounds like something you would say to me, no?

MileHigh

Void · « **Reply #1308 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:12:10 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 05:30:00 PM

Well, I looked through all of Clarence's postings. Does anybody remember IST? This guy has some shades of IST in his presentation. On this thread, he is like Tiny Tim tip-toeing through the tulips, playing his ukulele and teasing you all with impish delight and a twinkle in his eye. Technically, he is not credible, period. You are supposed to sink something between 40 and 60 ground rods over a large area of your back yard, bury the return wires, and throw in some batteries and inverters and toroidal transformers and get free energy power like that? Give yourselves a break.

Is he hiding? Here is one possible explanation: He posts his follow-up post as promised, and he gets some questions from myself and others that he simply can't answer properly. He knows that he won't get away with playing any more Tiny Tim games. The illusion is broken and he doesn't get his kicks anymore doing this. Does he even have a scope?

Or, if he has been posting for four months, talking all about his system and making promises of really delivering the results and data this week, what is stopping him from going forward? If he really believes in his results and data, why should anybody stop him? Why should text on a screen from another person stop him? Really, if you claim that you have what you say you have, why should anybody's comments stop you? You should be able to respond to all questions about your alleged system with confidence and also have the data to back up your confidence. There is no valid reason for you to not continue with your claims if you are real.

MileHigh, there are people who have been participating in or following this thread who
are fully capable of determining what are sound results and what are not.

All of a sudden
recently several people jumped into this thread without really having any idea what was
being discussed here recently, and after one started going on about 'lack of evidence'
and people 'blindly believing' and 'people throwing away their money on nonsense', this then of
course got other people going on about the same sort of stuff, without any of them really having
any idea what was actually going on here in the last while.

In actuality, Clarence has been doing some testing and posting a bit of info about his setup and tests. The few of us
that were following along were for the most part just waiting to see if Clarence got any notable results using a battery
and inverter. We left off with Clarence saying he was going to install more ground rods and try some more tests
once he got the ground rods all installed. Clarence can sometimes not post for several days or even much more because he
is busy, or has nothing new to report.

I have followed all of Clarence's posts here, and he has not posted any info so far that I personally
would consider to be indicative that the device can self run for any considerable length of time from the battery, without the
battery starting to discharge. However, Clarence has not really posted much details about any such tests he has done so far,
so there really is not much to go on yet in that regard. As I mentioned however, we were waiting for Clarence to get around to doing
more tests along this line. There was no conclusions having been drawn about the device either way, although Clarence
was enthusiastic that it would be able to self run on a 12V battery with his setup and the extra ground rods.

Clarence also did kind of go off the deep end a bit in the last couple of days however. I posted a comment on a very basic test I did
with a single transformer B&L arrangement, as shown in their patents, and Clarence started going on about how he was going to stop
posting here if people didn't follow exactly what he was doing and saying and that sort of thing, and that people were just not getting what
he was doing at all, etc.

The test I did however had nothing to do with what Clarence has been testing with. I just did a basic test to see what
kind of power consumption was involved, and how much current would flow in a shorted 3 turn and 1 turn secondary on a toroidal power transformer I have,
as I was curious about what the current levels would be, etc.

Clarence's comments didn't really make any sense. There does appear
to be some issues there, there is no denying that. I personally think it is reasonable that people who are thinking about shelling out
a bunch of money for the device should at least wait to see if Clarence posts some specific info on actual run times with his new ground rods
installed, using the battery and inverter with no mains connection. It is quite an expensive setup that Clarence has been experimenting with.

All the best...

MileHigh · « **Reply #1309 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:25:45 PM »

Void:

Thank you for the summation. That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings. However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.

This is a quote from Clarence:

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my supplier refers to it as a 300 toroid whatever that could mean.
the primary is wound to specs for 120 volts at 2.5 amps.

120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts. Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?" My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.

MileHigh

ramset · « **Reply #1310 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:26:53 PM »

MH
I have a question ,I went back to read a link you posted above and this post was underneath it
you know anything about that??
aside from being funny its obvious he's talking about Prof Savic which I replicated and suspected a groundloop was responsible,[Now I'm not so sure]
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

« Reply #1044 on: March 19, 2015, 08:24:21 AM »
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Haugh Big White Iowa Man !!

Tell us, did you achieved SELF POWERING in your schematic ?

I have watched tube video, replication BARBOSA-LEAL machine, from some Whie Man Savic where he shown 2.3 kWatts ouput at Water Heater with only one Torus Power Transformer. Why do you need two ?? Where is interrupter in your schematic

Why don't use Counter Face windings on one big Torus Power Transformer

?. He said BARBOSA-LEAL machine is the scalar reverse Tesla coil that draws free electrons from the soil and using Tesla resonance multiply their number and regulate output power. Make scalar reverse Tesla coil on big Torus Power Transformer. Windings should be Counter Face. But first put both of your transformers in Laundry Stack Antenna manner with Counter Face Windings.

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Void · « **Reply #1311 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:32:37 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 06:06:07 PM

The funky toroids may as well not even be there. Anybody that truly understands electronics would see this right away.
This is the old tired, "battery connected to the charger connected to he battery" nonsense.

MileHigh, it is actually you who keeps making the same argument over and over, from what I have seen.
If we analyze a circuit/device making the starting assumption that it is impossible for a given device to pull
in extra energy beyond what the power source is supplying then, yes, over unity is impossible. That goes
without saying if a person is going to hold to such an assumption. However some people here allow for the
possibility that some of these devices may be able to pull in energy from an outside source somehow, which
of course throws the standard circuit analysis off, as there is then the possibility of energy entering into
the circuit through some unknown means. Sure, most over unity devices turn out to not work as claimed,
but that doesn't mean they all necessarily don't work. Those who are here out of interest in the possibility of
over unity look for actual evidence before deciding that some device is definitely a hoax or can't work.

The B&L device is claimed to be able to draw excess energy through the ground through its 'electron captor'
arrangement, so that is where the excess energy is supposed to come from in this device. It is not looking so good
that the device really does work, but until proven a scam or hoax, there is nothing wrong with people wanting
to do their own experiments to see if any given device arrangement might actually work as claimed or not.

Yes, the odds
are high against coming up with a working device, but if people want to spend their free time experimenting with
such things that is their business. We really don't need reality police launching a full out assault every time
someone starts doing some experimenting and starts posting here about it.

Many of us here really are capable of
evaluating results for our self.

All the best...

Void · « **Reply #1312 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:34:11 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 06:25:45 PM

Void:

Thank you for the summation. That's pretty much what I picked up by skimming through Clarence's postings. However, he does make occasional claims that his system is generating free energy.

This is a quote from Clarence:

120 volts x 2.5 amps is 300 watts. Whatever could it mean for the supplier to call it a "300 toroid?" My conclusion is that that is their standard toroid size for making your own 300 VA toroidal transformer.

MileHigh

Yes, Clarence is using 300VA power toroids, so that is what the 300 stands for in the product code for his toroids.
All the best...

MileHigh · « **Reply #1313 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:38:45 PM »

Chet:

Sorry don't know anything about that.

The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage. The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential. So where do you get the much-needed voltage? You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box. The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points. No (potential + loop) and you have got squat. The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else. That somewhere else also has to have a ground return. That is the reality that you have to work with.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1314 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:42:45 PM »

Quote from: Void on April 08, 2015, 06:34:11 PM

Yes, Clarence is using 300VA power toroids, so that is what the 300 stands for in the product code for his toroids.
All the best...

And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself. Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.

Void · « **Reply #1315 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:46:09 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 06:38:45 PM

The problem with "power from the ground" is that electrons are nothing without voltage. The ground is not at any kind of voltage, it's at.... ground potential. So where do you get the much-needed voltage? You get it from some kind of device, that is sitting above the (physical) ground - a black box. The entire premise for getting "power from the ground" is false because you need a potential difference between two points, and you need a current loop that goes through those two points. No (potential + loop) and you have got squat. The "ground" in the physical ground is just a lost sea of electrons with no useful potential between their current position in the physical ground and somewhere else. That somewhere else also has to have a ground return. That is the reality that you have o work with.

Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device. Certainly if the device
is really over unity, then it is pulling in extra energy from somewhere. Regarding energy from the ground,
from what I understand a heat pump pulls in energy from the ground beyond what is being supplied from
the power source powering the heat pump. If it can be done in that way, energy may also be able to
be extracted in other ways as well that we as yet haven't discovered yet. Not everything has been invented
or discovered yet in this world. Not by a long shot... There are certainly new and amazing discoveries coming
in the future.
All the best...

Void · « **Reply #1316 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:48:23 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 06:42:45 PM

And for you out there thinking about this concept, you have to wonder why Clarence did not already know this or could not simply connect the dots and figure out what it meant himself. Alternatively, since he has been singing about this stuff for four months, you would think that he would want to find out.

That doesn't seem that important to me. I think Clarence must have understood the capacity of the
toroids he was ordering based on the voltage and current rating of the primary winding, even if he maybe
didn't fully grasp the significance of the VA rating.
All the best...

ramset · « **Reply #1317 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:56:43 PM »

HMM
the plot thickens
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

« Reply #705 on: May 30, 2014, 01:42:01 AM »

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Ok guys, as you know I have a video in YouTube showing my finds in the Barbosa device. Its a very simple video and even getting some "different" results, I stopped my tests to work in others projects..
Check my video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5qw76Ay7kg

Yesterday, Carlos my friend from Brazil, send me the link about one replication made by Nenad Savic using what my schematics and looks like that he got a "good results"

Check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I5o4FUAfmg\
Today, he put another video...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARkj5ee7NT8

Cheers
Ariovaldo
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OK I see the vids are gone ,maybe somebody saved them??

Now when things warm up [frozen ground]I will be pulling the Savic heater back out and hooking it to ground rods.
I will also be reaching out for Ariovaldo thru some contacts.

respectfully
Chet

MileHigh · « **Reply #1318 on:** April 08, 2015, 06:58:03 PM »

A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.

Here is a different kind of heat pump: You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy. You switch the power on for the electric motor. The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off. You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.

Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?

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Sure, but then again until a given device is fully understood we can't really say what all could be making it
work, assuming we actually were able to come up with a working over unity device.

This is (always) putting the cart before the horse. There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work. Real life doesn't work like that. You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.

In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement. Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.

Void · « **Reply #1319 on:** April 08, 2015, 07:09:12 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 08, 2015, 06:58:03 PM

A heat pump simply displaces heat energy from point A to point B, it's doesn't "pull in" energy or create energy in any way.

Here is a different kind of heat pump: You have a big container of burning hot coal on a motorized buggy. You switch the power on for the electric motor. The buggy moves over 12 feet and then you switch the motor off. You measure how much electrical energy the motor consumed and compare it to how much the heat energy increased at the spot where the buggy stopped.

Do you see anything special or something suggesting "harvesting energy from some unknown source" or some kind of over unity process going on there?

This is (always) putting the cart before the horse. There is no evidence that it works so there is no point in trying to figure out what could make it work. Real life doesn't work like that. You need proof that it works, and only then try to figure out what could make it work.

In this case, this guy wants you to spend a thousand or more dollars and dig around your back yard inserting ground rods like some kind of dancing chicken for his amusement. Let the dude prove that he is real first, but like you said, it's not looking good.

Sorry MileHigh, now you are just talking in circles, going back to your basic assumption
that energy can not be drawn into a system beyond what the power source is supplying.
Whether the term of 'pulling in' or 'drawing in' or 'displacing' is used, is neither here nor there.

In all cases it is clear what is meant. I won't be drawn into any such circular argument approaches.
We get there are various members here who believe strongly that over unity is impossible,
but not everyone here takes that for granted. The possibility of over unity remains a possibility
regardless of what some people believe and say to the contrary.

All the best...

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