Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal (Read 1741915 times)

MileHigh · « **Reply #1635 on:** April 19, 2015, 07:16:13 PM »

Nelson:

So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Enjoykin:

I don't follow LENR, and it has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

Anybody is welcome to contribute to this thread. You can forget your "OU poster conspiracy theories" also.

All:

What if I say to you that the government is lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that the big corporations are lying to you?

I suppose that you will get all upset and say that it is wrong.

What if I say to you that Barbosa and Leal are lying to you?

Oh..... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

What if I say to you that Clarence is lying to you?

Oh.... You don't have much to say, you become sheep.

Okay, not all of you become sheep, but some of you clearly become sheep.

I am offended that Barbosa and Leal are liars. I am offended that poor Clarence is a liar and can't admit that he never made a long-term test of his replication, and now he plays the "guru that doesn't know how to tie his own shoes."

And I feel dismay that very few people around here are able to have an honest discussion about the merits or the lack of merits for a given free energy proposition. Even people with very basic electronics skills should be able to recognize how silly and stupid it is to have a device that includes two short-circuited toroidal transformers.

So I made my points about this silly project and had a serious technical discussion about it. Nobody has tried to argue my technical points at all.

So let's all sit back and watch the people struggle with their replication attempts while Clarence struggles and tries to navigate himself through a world of electronics he knows very little about. Clarence is just a victim of Barbosa and Leal, pretending he knows what he is doing, and ultimately creating more victims when people try to replicate his unproven nonsense.

This is a classic case of reality being stranger than fiction.

MileHigh

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #1636 on:** April 19, 2015, 07:40:27 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 07:16:13 PM

Nelson:

So your example has absolutely nothing to do with this B&L device.

You think that has nothing to do with the B & L circuit because basically you have a circuit idea in your head so you do not understand ...
But i will not waste time with you because you do not need to.
You say things, and then when someone argues say that is off topic lol

You affirm that a closed loop in the secondary of the transformer was not more than one resistance or am I invent?.
And in the B & L circuit loop that would only behave as a resistance useless, you're the one that you claim you!
After that point you want to be? The talk alone to try to convince others of your beliefs? Or leave the topic proceeding smoothly as it should be happening instead of pass to be center of attention for all the wrong reasons.

thank you

MileHigh · « **Reply #1637 on:** April 19, 2015, 07:50:31 PM »

Nelson,

Please go ahead and explain to all of us how you believe that the B&L circuit works. Discuss the input, the output, and the mechanism for producing free energy. Please tell us what the pair of toroidal transformers is supposed to do in the circuit.

MileHigh

NickZ · « **Reply #1638 on:** April 19, 2015, 08:32:40 PM »

I think that MileHigh has a point. And that until more proof is shown, especially by members of this forum,
it may be better for everyone to just wait and see what results will actually be obtained in the future. As I doubt we've heard the last of Barboza, Leal, or anyone else, with replications or similar projects. Or, some jail time... if his magic box is just a hoax.
However, they didn't need to use all those expensive ground rods.

Good advice: To not go buying all those rods, and placing them in the back yard, just YET.
Time will tell, it always does.

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #1639 on:** April 19, 2015, 08:44:51 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 07:50:31 PM

Nelson,

Please go ahead and explain to all of us how you believe that the B&L circuit works. Discuss the input, the output, and the mechanism for producing free energy. Please tell us what the pair of toroidal transformers is supposed to do in the circuit.

MileHigh

I talk about this subjects months ago , and put diagram and videos and so on ,and i talk a little bite on some posts ago too.
I will not talk about Clearance circuit because this topic is not about Clearance circuit.
I only will resume because as you see my english is a bit bad .

1- The current measured in loop that is show in videos B&L is not any power gain.
If the loop have to many turns it will heat like you say , but if the loop are correct it will not even warm.
It will be used only to saturate the toroidal core. If you have some Gauss Measure instrument you will see that correct loop will maintain the core with high magnetic flux . This is only a saturable reactor with feedback. With some diodes you get a Mag amp.

About this circuit generate free energy :

I say to many time that original circuit have some bad interpretations and people need to read all the patents associated at B&L patent.
But basically in my circuit tests i only see a improvement not free energy. A reach a 80% less consumption in inductive loads to 50% by resistive loads.Many people in this forum merely say that simply the meter was wrong and I was stealing electricity power grid

I decided to go to study the effect of circuit on DC away from the power grid.
But actually i know i´m not wrong because with DC i achieve very good results in my tests.
So, for me is interesting see the results of Clarence

and for much people:) seems to .

I have been able to see and test that there are several ways to get the same main "objective" .
So many inventors report the same results but with other configurations .
Basically has all to do with all matters of conversion efficiency.
I think this circuit is not a generator , only a converter or a "pump" .
Energy is free in Nature but the conversions process not

.

I will not talk much more , because if you have interest you can search the old posts to see what i think about other things like the input and output in circuit .

Thanks

mscoffman · « **Reply #1640 on:** April 19, 2015, 10:16:21 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 18, 2015, 05:14:32 PM

Meanwhile, you completely ignored my second request to you to define "efficiency" when you talk about the captor.

MileHigh

Sorry for the delay on getting back to you,

Ok, my take on the efficiency of the captor. First, I wanted to show that Barbosa and Leal
are not "green warriors", if you will, because there is no way that a suburban housing
development could each house have an operable ground array captor supplying
its power. The captor is an elite power unit as it were.

Secondly, I wanted to show you, that even the transformer version of the captor is not
that efficient so a resistive version could be made to work. The is typical of a set of
devices known as a ballasted electronic circuits. Meaning the internal impedance of a
circuit is being used as an advantage towards operation of the device as a whole even
though steps were never take to reduce the devices internal impedance.

The captor has to at times step up voltage between 1 or 2 to 100 so I use those numbers
as 1 or 2 percent. The whole population of users electrons supports the a single users
captor electron adaptation adjustment. I agree that numbers are somewhat hokey
but my belief is that some kind of estimate is better than no estimate at all.

..S..MarkSCoffman

MileHigh · « **Reply #1641 on:** April 19, 2015, 10:28:16 PM »

Nelson:

Some quotes from you:

Quote

i only see a improvement not free energy

Quote

i did my own tests to months ago , is not a overunity circuit like people want

So you agree that this thing doesn't work. What is the reason for even building it then?

In some of your posts I think you are stating that this device could act like a power factor corrector. So what!? There are already power factor correctors that you can purchase.

I have a comment for you about this:

Quote

A reach a 80% less consumption in inductive loads to 50% by resistive loads.

You have to learn to be scientific. To say "50% less consumption by resistive loads" does not make any sense. You have to discuss input and output parameters and all of your voltage, current, phase, and power in and power output measurements if you want to make sense. Or something similar to that.

Like I already posted, the phrase, "My pulse motor is very efficient" is total bullshit because the efficiency is not being defined.

Everyone needs to learn to present data in a credible, logical, and comprehensible manner. And that especially applies to the replicators of Clarence's version of the B&L system on the Energetic Forum.

MileHigh

MileHigh · « **Reply #1642 on:** April 19, 2015, 10:32:18 PM »

Quote from: mscoffman on April 19, 2015, 10:16:21 PM

Sorry for the delay on getting back to you,

Ok, my take on the efficiency of the captor. First, I wanted to show that Barbosa and Leal
are not "green warriors", if you will, because there is no way that a suburban housing
development could each house have an operable ground array captor supplying
its power. The captor is an elite power unit as it were.

Secondly, I wanted to show you, that even the transformer version of the captor is not
that efficient so a resistive version could be made to work. The is typical of a set of
devices known as a ballasted electronic circuits. Meaning the internal impedance of a
circuit is being used as an advantage towards operation of the device as a whole even
though steps were never take to reduce the devices internal impedance.

The captor has to at times step up voltage between 1 or 2 to 100 so I use those numbers
as 1 or 2 percent. The whole population of users electrons supports the a single users
captor electron adaptation adjustment. I agree that numbers are somewhat hokey
but my belief is that some kind of estimate is better than no estimate at all.

..S..MarkSCoffman

Well, you actually did not define efficiency at all, and I barely can make any sense of what you just posted.

We can leave it at that.

MileHigh · « **Reply #1643 on:** April 19, 2015, 10:41:15 PM »

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Oh well now that I see it a picture is worth a thousand words. The way i
explain it now in words is like this.

Stand the two toroids upward as shown in the diagram. Starting on the far left side of the first toroid go to the top going behind the core first and then around toward the front in the CW (Clockwise) rotation winding direction going downward to the bottom where the winding stops. This winding is approx 180 degrees of the circle.

Now moving over to the other half of this first toroid core use a 4awg
wire starting from the upper portion of the right side where no winding
is present. Going behind the core again coming back around in the CCW (Counter Clockwise) looking straight down on the standing cores.

If I sound like babbling fool I completely understand. It really does take
time to wrap your head around this. It feels good to know I do understand.

BroMikey..... Just surrender yourself to the power of the dots.....

Repeat after me:

The power of the dots....

The power of the dots....

The power of the dots....

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #1644 on:** April 19, 2015, 10:55:07 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 10:28:16 PM

Nelson:

Some quotes from you:

So you agree that this thing doesn't work. What is the reason for even building it then?

In some of your posts I think you are stating that this device could act like a power factor corrector. So what!? There are already power factor correctors that you can purchase.

I have a comment for you about this:

You have to learn to be scientific. To say "50% less consumption by resistive loads" does not make any sense. You have to discuss input and output parameters and all of your voltage, current, phase, and power in and power output measurements if you want to make sense. Or something similar to that.

Like I already posted, the phrase, "My pulse motor is very efficient" is total bullshit because the efficiency is not being defined.

Everyone needs to learn to present data in a credible, logical, and comprehensible manner. And that especially applies to the replicators of Clarence's version of the B&L system on the Energetic Forum.

MileHigh

Lol You are the Guy ! The only person that you heard that do not work, it was you!
Does not give me the words that did not.
I not support what you say. end of story
You think I'll waste my time explaining whatever it is and try to be scientific to you? lol Why do it with you ?
Do not even have a constructive discourse, moreover have nothing to prove to you.
I have proven who had to prove now is time to continue.
Please let the topic run PLEASE!

MileHigh · « **Reply #1645 on:** April 19, 2015, 11:13:26 PM »

Quote from: nelsonrochaa on April 19, 2015, 10:55:07 PM

Lol You are the Guy ! The only person that you heard that do not work, it was you!
Does not give me the words that did not.
I not support what you say. end of story
You think I'll waste my time explaining whatever it is and try to be scientific to you? lol Why do it with you ?
Do not even have a constructive discourse, moreover have nothing to prove to you.
I have proven who had to prove now is time to continue.
Please let the topic run PLEASE!

Well, you can go ahead and eat your own words.

Szy · « **Reply #1646 on:** April 20, 2015, 09:11:09 AM »

Hello Everyone!
I read all the posts here, from start to end! I have only one suggestion: ignore this guy and continue doing what you were doing. I am sick of this person who is always negative. Just don't answer his posts. Just ignore him! That's it!

nelsonrochaa · « **Reply #1647 on:** April 20, 2015, 07:44:18 PM »

Quote from: MileHigh on April 19, 2015, 11:13:26 PM

Well, you can go ahead and eat your own words.

Man dont go mad only because this "change" of point of view.
Man, do not be upset to have contrary ideas.
Relax a little, I am just exchange ideas, you do not need to do tantrum.
I respect your opinion, and just like that you may know that the purpose of all people is the same or should be.
No resentments.

thank you

MileHigh · « **Reply #1648 on:** April 20, 2015, 08:58:35 PM »

Nelson:

I am not going "mad." I simply quoted you where you stated that you don't believe this system is OU. Now you are saying that you believe it is OU. You are the one that became "mad" in your previous posting.

The problem with this thread is there is no generic technical discussion, or any technical discussion about all of the technical points that I have made. For example, how does the captor output power? Do you see any connections between the captor and the output of the device? Talking about wire gages and how many copper rods to put in the ground is not a technical discussion. I posed several marked-up schematics to try to stimulate a real technical discussion but there are no comments. Many people "play" and pretend that they are having a technical discussion when the reality is it's not true. They talk about how to build it pretending that it works. They are afraid to talk about how they believe it actually works - they have nothing to say. They know who they are.

When Clarence talks about adding copper rods and "getting a higher voltage measurement" do you know where he is measuring that voltage? I don't know. I would not be surprised if nobody knows.

People accuse me of "dominating the thread." Do you think I have the power to stop people from posting? I don't. They are afraid to discuss the real issues: Let's look at the schematic and discuss how the system is supposed to work - discuss what is going on on the schematic and where you think the free energy is coming from - in the schematic.

The same thing is happening on the Energetic Forum thread. It's a fantasy discussion about where to buy cores and how many turns for your coils. They are not discussing the possible mechanism for generating free energy at all, or how and where to make measurements to confirm or deny that the hypothetical free energy process is taking place. That is the reality.

MileHigh

ramset · « **Reply #1649 on:** April 21, 2015, 01:11:39 AM »

Nelson
I completely understood your Not OU explanation ...
not the tenth time you explained ...or the 6th time ...
I got it the first time...
and its VERY SPECIAL [at least your DC results...similar to Clarence apparently ??]

@ EnjoyKin, yes the Rossi replication is old news..some peeps break out in a rash when the word "Rossi" is used in a sentence ...however that does NOT diminish the results.
NOR DOES IT DIMINISH EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO THE WORLD !!

@Tinsel
a pixy sprinkling of LAH is a long way from a meth lab..and to be clear you go on the "list" in some states for buying cold or allergy medicine .

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