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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1422583 times)

Offline Just..Sayin..

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #390 on: February 03, 2014, 07:48:44 PM »
I am not convinced that the witnesses had the necessary skills to validate the tests.

They do not tell us if both conductors coming from the grid were metered during the tests. It may still be just the one conductor amp-metered that we have seen in the video, which of course may only be showing trace amounts of the load. For a proper demo the meter has to be clamped on each of the conductors independently, not just the one.

They have not yet demonstrated self running, and they should be able to do so. Battery discharged after 4 hours? An inverter powered by a battery will run power to ground, albeit only on one of the inverter outputs, I have done it with a modified sine wave inverter. (Only one wire of the two coming from the inverter will load to ground, not sure why.) (Not a 'SWER' locale)

The 1600 watt load sounds impressive enough, but... is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.

Why are they not able to self run the unit with the inverter as an intial source and then just rectify the output to close loop the system? Same question with the grid as an initial  source?

Why are they hiding the unit in resin? The details are supposed to be in the Patent. A diligent business man will not license a technology unless the patent lines up with the product and can protect his product.

That they are building their own inverter to reduce costs does not make any sense. The market is saturated with inverters and it would be impossible to compete and why would they want to? Their unit has an extremely high mark up, why try and save a few bucks by building your own inverter?

They are willing to travel to demonstrate? Why not do a proper demonstration at home with qualified observers and independent test equipment?

It is also curious why they would have two meters from the power company. What measurements were they not sure of and double checking? If there was only 22 watts coming from the grid, and both conductors were metered, why the concern with grid meters? Something does not add up with that.

"The Captor with the 213,416 W output was hooked to a 3/4" iron pipe that worked as resistance. The Amp reading was 1002 A and the voltage reading was 213.6 V."

Loading a piece of steel pipe and heating it with high amperage is not an appropriate load test at all. Anyone who has tried to replicate their unit knows the high amp closed loop will produce a lot of heat very quickly with minimal input... and besides, who would have the nerve to short 1000 amps at 220 volts to a piece of pipe. You would have to be insane... i can guarantee you there was only half a volt, not 220. They may have measured 220 across the primary and the closed loop secondary but there is no way it was 220 going through the pipe, it would have blown up.

« Last Edit: February 04, 2014, 01:25:30 AM by Just..Sayin.. »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #391 on: February 03, 2014, 09:00:52 PM »
' .. is the 'grid' supplying part of the power through the ground? It would be nice to see someone in a "SWER' location, who has the meters, run some tests with an inverter hooked to the 'captor transfo design' and see if the extra energy is being siphoned out of the grid through the ground wire. It would put this to sleep right away.'

and that was my first thought ... my second was .. if I can get it to power half a dozen storage heaters does it really matter ..  lol

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Evolutions_in_Energy_%28Company_in_Brazil%29  PAGE

http://www.rexresearch.com/barbosa/barbosa.htm  discussion and details of invention

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #392 on: February 05, 2014, 11:09:13 AM »
OK Guys, I have a replication of this setup below. and will produce a video to show how it "works" or more to the point doesn't work.

I have it set up to show several effects of the arrangement, I also have my own separate ground stake which is as good or better than the house ground stake. I'll be using an in line safety switch on the grid input so any discrepancy in the current on the Lines A<>N over 30 Ma will shut off the power. However once isolated current can be sent through the ground. Something to consider, Also they say the ground wire is just wrapped around the closed loop which would give a capacitive coupling to the loop, they also show the active line from the grid connected to the loop (in one iteration) and then the power is drawn from between the loop and the Neutral line, or in other words the power is drawn as normal.

Now if the current is measured through the closed loop and the voltage is measured between the closed loop and the Neutral line the "power" figure would be enormous but it is not a power value. I'll show why, I intend to use a step down transformer so that it has a "grounded neutral" of it's own as well as a coupled connection from that ground to the loop. And a direct connection from the active of my "LV line" to the loop.

In order not to melt the 10 Amp Auto wire I made the loop from I will need to vary the input voltage with a variac.

I'll be back with a video !.

Cheers

P.S. The last picture shows on the left one iteration as shown in the patent, on the right is how I have mine setup so as to get isolation from the grid but recreate a grounded neutral AC system. AS well in the bottom right hand corner I show how I will test using an actual capacitor as a coupling to the loop from the ground. Without connecting the active line to the loop I don;t see how it can work except for transferring through the capacitor to complete the load loop of current.

ALSO: I am fairly sure they do show the AC input half wave rectified in one arrangement but I also think they say it is not necessary and normal AC can be used. I can try rectified as well.

Can anyone confirm that last statement ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #392 on: February 05, 2014, 11:09:13 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #393 on: February 05, 2014, 04:45:07 PM »
Glad Farmhand  you joined in   
My understanding of the circuit  is the 2 turn loop of the secondary is connected to another transformer with 2 turns as well
the input can be dc or ac ...... the loop is wrapped or encased in copper tube connected to ground  to dissipate the heat.... 
 If he used a rectifier   ac to dc   one leg of ac to live   the other leg is to ground  not the neutral   this for input
for output is the same in reverse  to produce ac

Ive tried this on reactive capacitor charger  and it works but tripped my cb  several times...... without the ground and just Neutral  my 7ah battery is humming out like it will explode ( 165 v dc   injection)  but with the  ground   the charge
climbed at a steady rate  :)

either he used three transformers   in a loop   two for input 2 turns in the secondaries    the third transformer same  2 turns in the secondary  and primary as output
my tests stopped from there abruptly and waiting for some other development  from this thread......
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #394 on: February 05, 2014, 08:24:33 PM »
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #394 on: February 05, 2014, 08:24:33 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #395 on: February 05, 2014, 10:26:46 PM »
hi I think you are right, from memory when I first read about it there was mention of a magnetic field oscillator, that is/ was said to be the key to accessing the extra energy, it is the timer for the switching between the a/c d/c it is referred to but not detailed.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #396 on: February 06, 2014, 01:53:54 AM »
OK here is two video's, the first one shows the setup I arranged to make a lower voltage "grounded neutral AC system" just like the grid is, as well as some of the actual arrangement. The second video shows the experiment and such. I made a slight editing error and the last minute or so of the first video might be repeated in the second, I got tired. Seems like with the active line connected to the loop the power is drawn as normal (paid for) and the shorted loop simply shows a huge current and dissipates some power as heat and not much else. And without the active line connected to the loop there is no way for output power to be drawn. There is no reason to measure the current in that loop to determine output power, it's the current through the load we need to measure to get the output power to the lamp, but my AC clamp meter is not accurate enough, (it works good on DC amps). I could use the scope and a CSR to measure the current.   Most telling is the grid power meter.

I'm open to trying some other methods of applying this setup and I only say this is what happened when I did it this way. I do admit there is other aspects to the different iterations of this device, so I keep an open mind.

Just watching some of the first video to get the gist of the setup is enough, the main experiment is the second video.

Part 1 (setup ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eMDna8FbNQ

Part two (experiment ect.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNPeMHH8KgE

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #396 on: February 06, 2014, 01:53:54 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #397 on: February 08, 2014, 07:33:05 PM »
If it is all this simple as shown in their patent then why do they fill their units with red epoxy to hide their device from reverse engineering?   I think they have left something out of the patent as many inventors do and that is the secret of their 'energy Captor'.    I would suspect some fort of oscillator using high power MosFets.




Hello e2matrix ! I think with a X ray we can makes photographs even they have filled all that box with epoxy .... It very simple... But we must have at leas one functional unit to do that

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #398 on: February 08, 2014, 09:40:55 PM »
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..  perhaps they will go the same way as Genepax . the japanese car which runs on water and which initially went into negotiations with Toyota. The technology is out on the street undergoing further trials and development (for the last four years) with the power units in coaches and electrical generators, they are even building units for testing in railway engines and shipping. Unfortunately for us the plebs, the future still looks rather bleak and no doubt we will have to continue to pay for energy on a unit consumed basis. .. but then again .. we could just put on an extra jumper and eat cold food .. they wouldn't like that would they.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #399 on: February 09, 2014, 01:39:52 AM »
@Slotinnn

BRILLIANT about using an X-Ray to make photos right through the red epoxy.

Now if only we lived down in Brazil so we could buy one to X-Ray.  LOL


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #400 on: February 09, 2014, 12:06:13 PM »
Hi @ truongcongduc4

You will accomplish a lot wrapped wire loop on it! or any other idea. Just testing! . . ( You are traveling to the legend in the fantasy world created by two authors Land BRASIL! )

havuhung


I am Brazilian, and I'm already annoyed with dicking around about how we are bastards, not all Brazilians are the way you guys say is the same thing I talk about that all the Americans and British are killers, mass murderers, thieves, and fools, not that is not true, then I guess you guys (American and English) as well stay quietly because you guys should be ashamed of what they are, caring for the life of you, because Brazil and Brazilians do not steal other peoples oil or precious metals , much less gets life in other countries ......
take shame in the face of life and take care of you jerks her.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #401 on: February 09, 2014, 05:11:54 PM »
This one is not going to have a happy ending.  I checked the PESN article about the very high power output and it's not credible.  My instincts are telling me it's a con and one year from now in 2015 there will still be nothing.  The longer these guys can play their game the more chance they have of finding an investor.  Once they find an investor they can use that money to pretend that they have a company and live off the money as freeloaders.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #402 on: February 09, 2014, 05:42:09 PM »
it is claimed to have passed the safety tests carried out by the Brazilian electricity generating company with whom they are presently negotiating a contract, the commercial law firm negotiating on their behalf is reputed to be the best in their field. The negotiations are what is thought to be holding up progress and further news of developments ..

Can you provide a link to this information please? I have not seen it....

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #403 on: February 09, 2014, 06:15:13 PM »
I think it's a con as well, I think they measure the current in the loop and the voltage across the lines.
And to hide that they use the epoxy filler. Simple. If it can't be replicated from the patent application then the patent application is invalid in my opinion.

In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.

Many people have patent applications that have no chance of working so we
ought to keep that in mind.

Patent applications from folks like Barbosa and Leal, Tariel, and some Russian guys are very suspicious/dubious.

Cheers

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #404 on: February 09, 2014, 08:03:36 PM »


In my opinion it just goes to show that people may well lodge patent
applications knowing full well the devices do not work. It could be for reasons of
gaining funding or for selling the idea for quick profit. Or other reasons.



I think in the beginning they may have just been inept. Probably now see they are wrong and do not want to admit it. They should be able to run that 6000 watt 'captor' they claim is only consuming 22 watts from a very small 'pure sine wave' inverter yet they demo a different unit that requires a large inverter that will only run for four hours. They have some explaining to do...

 

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