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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1478703 times)

Offline FatBird

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #300 on: January 01, 2014, 04:29:26 PM »
Well put EE (EarthEnergy).  I agree 100%.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #301 on: January 01, 2014, 04:31:54 PM »
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.


BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.


If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #302 on: January 01, 2014, 04:39:29 PM »
In the previous link I posted is the following information about the grid system in Brazil:

Lloyd Mandeno OBE (1888-1973) fully developed SWER in New Zealand around 1925 for rural electrification. Although he termed it “Earth Working Single Wire Line” it was often called “Mandeno’s Clothesline”.[9] More than 200,000 kilometres have now been installed in Australia and New Zealand. It is considered safe, reliable and low cost, provided that safety features and earthing are correctly installed. The Australian standards are widely used and cited. It has been applied in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, Brazil, Africa, portions of the United States' Upper Midwest, and SWER interties have been proposed for Alaska and prototyped.




Use by developing nations


At present, certain developing nations have adopted SWER systems as their mains electricity systems, notably Laos, South Africa and Mozambique.[8] SWER is also used extensively in Brazil where it is termed “Redes Monofilares com Retorno por Terra” or “MRT”. There are detailed standards and drawings available in Brazilian Portuguese that would be transferable to other Portuguese speaking countries such as Angola and Mozambique.[16]


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #303 on: January 01, 2014, 04:57:36 PM »
earthenergy: Good luck with your replication attempt.
I have 2 points to make re Barbosa Leal.
1 Their patent is totally invalid. Anyone who discovers the real secret can patent it and get all the rights.
2 Investment scam. They can claim they genuinely believed they were getting earth energy, until proved otherwise.


BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


Finally I had a good look at their other patents.
One is a Figuera copy, another is a mechanical Bedini copy without the switching. Even the patent you quote claims it works on DC. All this makes me very suspicious indeed.


If they are genuine, then as you say, just one engineer opens the box and posts a youtube video and anyone can replicate.
In my opinion you need pulsing for any free energy device to work.
But I cannot ignore that the Brazil electric grid uses single wire earth return for much of their territory.
So once again good luck with your replication attempt.

Thanks a.king.... I just updated my post about loading to ground, it can be done with single phase, or with swer, it doesn't seem to matter, as I have done it with isolated square wave from a rectifier. It does show up on the meter. Are they pulling a meter scam? I doubt it.

I was not aware they have been using wording and or schematics from other patents, if that is true, it is not a good indicator, but is still not proof they are scamming, I do hope that scamming is not taking place, and I still do not think it is.

Not a pulsed input, just a moving field, Sweet proved that.

People also need to realize that we have always gotten an endless supply of free energy from magnetic fields. The force/energy applied to a generator shaft is not the force/energy coming out the other end. The energy applied to the generator shaft is used up to fight back emf from the induced field, it is not the energy that is converted into the electrical power that is coming out of the generator. It only appears that way. The electrical output of the generator is coming from the supplied magnetic field, over and over and over. That is in reality, a free energy pump that is restricted by back emf.

Regards

Further thought......  I would have to assume that that if they were stealing power the Utility company that came and took their meters back, and confiscated the boys transformers, would have also had them arrested for stealing power and trying to scam people in the process, it does not make any sense that the utility personnel would not level that accusation

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #304 on: January 01, 2014, 04:59:18 PM »
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).


I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #304 on: January 01, 2014, 04:59:18 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #305 on: January 01, 2014, 05:13:48 PM »
 if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ?


Forest, I have been able to take one lead of a DC to AC inverter to ground and light a bulb. Therefore any ac current, whether it is swer, single phase, or inverter supplied AC current, will run to the ground with just one lead from the ac source.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #306 on: January 01, 2014, 05:40:38 PM »
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Below is some of the patent wording I copied out for this post. 

1.  Here, the earth wire 5 is wrapped around the continuous loop wire 4, feeding it additional electrons captured from the ground. The ends of wire 4 are connected together to form the loop,
     and that connection also forms the positive side of the output (where a DC output is being produced). The magnetic field produced by the current flowing in wire 3, acts on the electron flow
     coming from the earth, but it does not provide any of the electric power flowing in wire loop 4.  The current flowing in wire 3 can be tiny, without affecting the power output.

2.  The earth wire (5, shown in blue) which is merely wrapped around wire 4 and not directly connected to it as the electron-transfer link is by induction.  With this arrangement, the current
     circulating in the closed loop wire 4, attracts more electrons from the ground, flowing through the wrapped connection of wire 5, into wire 4, increasing the current flow there by a major
     amount.  Wire 3 (input) can have an alternating voltage applied to it in order to get alternating current in wire 4 (output), but understand that the current flowing in wire 4 is not the result
     of the current in wire 3.
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Using this words and patent schematics, I draw schematic.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #306 on: January 01, 2014, 05:40:38 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #307 on: January 01, 2014, 05:50:23 PM »
Answering to this piture question ansver is yes. http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/131386/image//
Ground always is positive. Hight voltage always is negative. Ground is like warm, hight voltage is like cold.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #308 on: January 01, 2014, 06:06:19 PM »
But after I re-read the patent wording several times, he keeps referring to THE LOOP.  So if I am reading this right, wires 4
are SHORTED TOGETHER and together they form 1 wire of the output!!


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In the latest video they appear to connect the ground to the bare copper of the closed loop. It must have proven to work better. (wondering why they didn't test that before filing a patent)

Yes you can get an output connecting one lead of the load to the closed loop and one to either side of the primary. I have done that and it will light a bulb, the ground must be connected, but I do not see any magic happening. It appears to be current going to ground from the primary. I may be missing something though.

I have also been testing off grid with a square wave inverter. Their setup may now require pure sine wave as they talk about working with the hydro company rather than eliminating them. It also seems that their first success and demos were with a battery/rectifier/inverter setup and now they are plugging into 220 from the wall instead, so that seems out of place.... is the single phase 220 pure sine wave being supplied to the primary where the very high efficiency begins to happen?

Also beginning to wonder if the primary coil and/or the closed loop coil have to be tapped midway/halfway
You can put, How I understand DC curent, but if you want get AC curent on output, you must put in AC curent, but must work and with DC curent, that sounds wery strange, but in pictures is plus and minus and patent speaking about DC curent.In DC version primary must have more turns.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #309 on: January 01, 2014, 06:30:39 PM »
There is one thing I cannot understand, maybe I'm dumb. If you look at Kapanadze green box video they measured over 20 amps flowing from or to ground via cable connected to water pipe (ideal ground if all pipes are long metalic underground).


I know that it's common to use ground connection as safety factor for breakers and sometimes ground is connected to neutral (here in Europe in case of badly planned installation or just right near the meter connection). I'm not EE and I'm curious : if I get DC-AC inverter of say 5kW and ground one end so it become neutral while the other become hot terminal - is there any current flowing to ground when inverter is loaded or unloaded ? Is there any case when this current is flowing ? What if someone disconnect this ground connection and take the bare wire into his hand while inverter is still powering load ?
If you use inverter and put one end it to ground, you not get any curent in this wire, maybe only wery small. And if you with one hand use one end of inverter, with other hand grounded cable, you not get basicly any shock, only maybe wery small. But if you use socket phase 220 volts in one hand and with other hand take cable conected to ground, then you be killed by electroshock instantly. Because you basicly put in you hands two ends of 220 volts AC.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #310 on: January 01, 2014, 06:37:57 PM »



BTW meters prove nothing. Put an amp meter near a plasma ball and you'll get tens of amps. It's easy to fool clamp meters
with a bit of circuitry.


A.King,  I am wondering now if they are clamping the meter on the lead that is not going to ground... that would explain the .1 amp reading

Also now wondering now if the devices were taken because the utility figured out they were loading to ground.... could be the case!!!!!!!



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #311 on: January 01, 2014, 07:12:12 PM »
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #312 on: January 01, 2014, 08:43:22 PM »
Hi a.king21
If simply conclude that (Barbosa and Leal device) does not work, will not convince everyone!
 
With the ingenious tricks that will make anyone look and will talk, that equipment is working!!!  Example : Device effectively collect energy from the ground to receive it : ( But please you read : I just gave an example to look wide and I do not take any responsibility if someone that this self-realization and self risk you take ) . You have to find somewhere to the ground wire from power transmission towers high voltage (>22,000 voltage), in a foggy weather conditions , rain , wet ground ! Leakage power safety devices on the transmission line will connect the ground wire to a voltage ( pretty high ) . And from a metal bar deep into the ground near the tower grounding wire , connect the ground wire from the metal bar to your device will get power! ;D

Why, it was working before your eyes???

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #313 on: January 01, 2014, 10:57:21 PM »
It looks like all of his units have a LOOP out in front for checking current.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #314 on: January 01, 2014, 11:50:02 PM »
Metters show corect, but then meashured Leal curent 0.1 amp, then is not good, that he meashure only one cable going from socket with clamp metter, he must meashure ant other cable, maybe if he meashure and oher, then we see 25 amps?

That is correct, the meter clamp should be put on both leads, one lead first, and then the other, just measuring one side is not proof. The current could be going through the other side, through the load, and then to ground.

It seems unusual that they have not been 'called on that' prior to making the video and would already know to demonstrate current flow in both leads, not just one.  It would also seem that, at one point or another, they would have seen the current flowing through the other lead and would then realize they were getting their power from the utility and not the ground.

You would also think they would be called out by someone at the trade show and made to put the clamp on both leads.....

The responsibility is certainly on them to produce a better video with a first class demonstration of loading. Only one, 1000 watt bulb is necessary, and it should be up on the table where all wires can be seen and identified.

To their credit however, they do clamp the meter on both sides of the input of the  large device and show the load going into the large device as identical on both leads. So if the smaller box is wired in the same manner, it would also show identical loads on both input leads. So the jury is still out.

 

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