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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1745817 times)

Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1320 on: April 08, 2015, 07:11:20 PM »
the plot thickens

Hi ramset. Ariovaldo did say that about his tests, but in other comments he also said he did more testing
and said he wasn't seeing anything unusual. I think at first he maybe didn't fully grasp
the significance of ground loops when powering from the mains, and later he realized this
when some people pointed it out.
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1321 on: April 08, 2015, 07:14:32 PM »
Viod
yes I understand ,I will be reaching out for Prof Savic too, been awhile
since we last corresponded,it is the Savic replication which I am most curious about
since I did spend MUCH time experimenting there.
although to be clear ..I suspected a ground loop .

Chet K


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1322 on: April 08, 2015, 07:16:27 PM »
There are a lot of flakes on this forum. I know for a fact some of these are paid agents for globalist zionist cartels. One of the earliest paid agents was the flake called Einstein.


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1323 on: April 08, 2015, 07:29:04 PM »
OK,so some of you think im all against what is being presented here by Clarence. Well the fact is,i am not against the idea,im against there being claims made without proof to back it up.
Anyway (MH lol)-seems that this device needs only a ground wire(thats ground,not neutral from home grid)to work. How ? i dont know yet,but i will work it out soon.
Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vHhgYW3GDI

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1324 on: April 08, 2015, 07:31:56 PM »
In reading the last few pages of this thread (I don't really follow this thread) I can see that Clarence and Enjoykin are engaging in fantasy talk.  Very similar to Tito.  It's just silly and assuming that they are both grown men, you wonder why they do it.

I have found over the years there are some common traits that you see when this happens.  The fantasy talkers usually are not able to describe circuits with proper commonly known and understood technical concepts.  I realize that for one at least English is not his first language.  Even with that factored in, you can still see the "baby talk" when they talk about electronics.  Hence, my assumption is that both of them are just bluffing with respect to their alleged electronics knowledge and the claims that this thing allegedly works.  The other trait is the silly game of hints and teases and excuses for not showing any real data and the idea that you have to build it yourself to "prove it for yourself."  It's the usual nonsense talk that we have all seen hundreds of times before.

So, don't hold your breath expecting someone to show anything special with Clarence's box, no matter how many earth grounds he drills.  It's all some kind of strange theater of the absurd.  If you want to be a bit tougher you can argue that both of them are getting some kind of mental masturbation with this.  How they get satisfaction from doing a charade like this is beyond me.
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while.   As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum.   Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off.   In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore.   Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test.   I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on).   Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old.   He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage.    This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.   
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies.   Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared.   Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions.   Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon.   Done with this nonsense.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1325 on: April 08, 2015, 07:50:56 PM »
There are a lot of flakes on this forum. I know for a fact some of these are paid agents for globalist zionist cartels. One of the earliest paid agents was the flake called Einstein.
Oh here we go.
Are you brave enough to name those who you believe-sorry,know for fact are paid agent's for the global zoinist cartels lol-or are you just all talk?.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1326 on: April 08, 2015, 08:01:08 PM »
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while.   As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum.   Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off.   In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore.   Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test.   I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on).   Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old.   He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage.    This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.   
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies.   Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared.   Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions.   Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon.   Done with this nonsense.

:( sad news...
So again the same little bunch of member came to a tread with thier destructive attitude and suceffuly put it down... It is a bad thing for the much larger bunch of member how follow and try to learn...

:(

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1327 on: April 08, 2015, 08:03:25 PM »
I had been in private communication with Clarence for a while.   As I shared with Chet ( ramset ) recently by PM Clarence has left the forum.   Not only garbage like the above post but some others who just came in a couple days ago is what drove him off.   In his words he didn't want to deal with the 'Knuckleheads' anymore.   Before telling me he was leaving he had said in a previous PM he was going to do a week long test.   I know that would have left any reasonable person with little doubt this works but as I've said in the past the disbelievers will always find a reason to disbelieve no matter how much proof you show ( oh that video must have been faked - oh he is just lying and on and on).   Think about it - Clarence is 77 years old.   He doesn't want to waste his time he has left dealing with all this garbage.    This nonsense is infuriating and one of the reasons I have largely quit posting here.   
I really don't know is some of the people here are intentionally disrupting threads like this or if they can't understand that by the nature of their posts they chase people off and thus their posts become self fulfilling prophecies.   Then they say 'See he must have been full of BS' or couldn't provide proof so they disappeared.   Some of you remind me of some of the worst little kids I knew in grade school so long ago who would fabricate total lies to manipulate people with absolutely no conscience or regard for others and the consequences of their actions.   Like Clarence I won't be back either - at least not anytime soon.   Done with this nonsense.
Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1328 on: April 08, 2015, 08:10:57 PM »
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it,  regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load. 
All the best...


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1329 on: April 08, 2015, 08:23:36 PM »
Tinman I've seen a similar thing from a transformer with only the negative of the battery connected to the circuit but in my case
I had another battery next to that battery that was powering an inverter.

So I would say maybe your picking up a signal from the ground caused by a local switch mode power supply or something, the new
power meters have a switch mode power supply which some say makes the supply noisy, but I would say it is something else.

Some people can light a neon by holding one leg and touching the other leg to the ground line.
Most equipment has filters on the inputs nowadays I think, scope power supply ect. But some things might make the ground line
noisy. All I can think of at the moment. Maybe a transfer from a wire laying on a wire ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1330 on: April 08, 2015, 08:36:30 PM »
Thats just MH,and i to have been quite demanding on measurements from Clarence. But when some one makes claim to a self runner,then before others go spending any money or time on this device,isnt it right to ask for some sort of evidence that the device dose as claimed?. You are dealing with leathal voltages and power here,and we have a forum full of novilist here. One wrong move,and your days are done. Was it a 600 watt inverter he was using and recomended?-the human body wont handle 600 watts for to long. I really dont think some of you realise just how dangerous some of these devices can be.

Especially when people bypass RCD's and stuff. I use inline RCD's where possible, and it tripped every time I tried the ground loop.
One guy I seen squatting over a grid connected transformer with a water heater and stuff going and exposed wires while bypassing the RCD and he was claiming it was a working Barbosa and Leal replication. It is possible he is dead now, it would
not surprise if he was. He could easily have overbalanced and fell on the setup spilling the hot water and electrocuted himself.
I almost couldn't watch it. And an inverter is probably more dangerous than the grid if the grid has a working RCD fitted.

Some people get lucky and take hits from the grid without an RCD and live, rarely without damage though.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1331 on: April 08, 2015, 08:37:13 PM »
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it,  regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load. 
All the best...

Thank you void yes i see it but now Clarence is gone im neither interested to post here... My desire is to share with other builder not to argue with  destructive people...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1332 on: April 08, 2015, 08:44:51 PM »
Ok wistiti. Good luck with your experimenting!
All the best...

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1333 on: April 08, 2015, 08:48:28 PM »
wistiti, I posted this earlier, but in case you missed it,  regarding your problem of having too much current on
your secondaries, you can try swapping the wire connections around between the secondaries, to see if that reduces the current.
Clarence said he was measuring around 1.3 Amps or a bit higher on his secondaries with no load connected, so
the current should not be very high when the secondaries are connected correctly, with no load. 
All the best...

My question is still valid: secondaries are in phase but primaries are or are not ?
-First case: no secondary current
- second case : infinite current (theory)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1334 on: April 08, 2015, 08:49:40 PM »
Clarence is welcome to come here and present his data and make his case.  As a grown 77-year-old man he shouldn't be playing the wounded dove.

If you assume that he has nothing and it has all been bluff, then he is clearly the bad guy.

I have said it before and I will say it again:  You can't bluff your way through pretending that you know all about electronics.  It's simply impossible.  I think a lot of you want to suspend your disbelief when yet another person comes along, and yet you can feel there is something that is not right.  You won't ask questions and just gobble everything up that you are told.  You don't have to be an electronics expert to get the feeling that what you are reading is "play electronics talk" being used as a camouflage trying to hide the person's true knowledge level.  EMJunkie takes the cake on that one.  If you feel that is happening, then what possible conclusions can you arrive at about the intent of the person you suspect?

Free energy is here, Clarence allegedly has it, but now he is too upset to reveal it.  Therefore in 18 months there will not be portable free energy generators shipped out to the poorest billions of people in the world that are desperately in need of it for their food, sanitation, access to potable water, and warm shelter.

Allegedly improving the lot of literally billions of people in the world vs. poor Clarence's ego.  I am sure that Richard Branson, Warren Buffet, and Bill Gates would be willing to donate billions to help the billions - if it was real.  I am not impressed.