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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1437382 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #930 on: December 22, 2014, 01:47:16 PM »
The green coloured 3-phase trafo shown has an iron core, so would not work efficiently at very high frequencies as its designed for grid frequency working. High frequency transformers of the type used in switched-mode power supplies have ferrite cores. The size is not the governing factor, its the core material. Having said that, TK may have discovered or been told about a way of using this 3-phase transformer in an unconventional way.


Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #931 on: December 22, 2014, 01:58:52 PM »

Agreed. It's the lack of heat from the aquarium 2 that is puzzling. I think it's a big clue.

I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #932 on: December 22, 2014, 04:57:24 PM »
I'm not sure whether the following question has already been answered: Did the investigating team clamp meter the braided earth wire and if so what reading did they get?
No readings were taken.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #932 on: December 22, 2014, 04:57:24 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #933 on: December 22, 2014, 05:34:27 PM »
No readings were taken.

Thanks for your reply.

This is a very interesting link just posted on the Dally thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I

Might make some sense of the use of a 3-phase transformer.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #934 on: December 22, 2014, 09:40:19 PM »
Here the one and only three-phase capacitor is hard-wired in delta-formation. So there is not too much choice in the method of connection. All three secondaries of the transformer next to it are open (N/C) but configured in star-formation. Hence there is a certain chance that the three connected primaries are also in star-formation. That leads to the wiring assumption below.

Now connect the remaining transformer (two cable lugs here are also N/C) and maybe a few diodes (Avramenko plugs) to that arrangement.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #934 on: December 22, 2014, 09:40:19 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #935 on: December 23, 2014, 09:21:20 AM »
No readings were taken.

That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #936 on: December 23, 2014, 02:15:39 PM »
That's jogged my memory as I think you said way back that TK would not allow your team to take measurements. Its a pity but quite understandable because a clamp reading along the entire length of the braided earth lead would have likely revealed a lot about how the device was operating. In consequence, we are left to endlessly speculate.


The "not allowing measurements" bit related to the second device we commissioned. This was either 10 kw or 20 kw I cannot remember which. (I did not specify it, which is a pity). Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #937 on: December 23, 2014, 06:48:14 PM »

Anyway the team turned up with a heap of state of the art technology which spooked Tariel.

Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit. After all, he had no problem allowing one to be used on the green box device setup. Maybe there was no electric field strong enough to interfere with an accurate reading taken off the earth cable.  ;D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #938 on: December 24, 2014, 03:50:10 AM »
Not surprised! I doubt he had ever used anything like it but its interesting to wonder why he would not even allow a clamp meter which does not even involve breaking into a circuit.
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.

Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...

So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #938 on: December 24, 2014, 03:50:10 AM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #939 on: December 24, 2014, 10:20:24 AM »
Because the Aquarium II braid is not a braided earth lead but an antenna.

Now guess what: According to my tests with some Avramenko plugs, a plug collects more energy when the antenna is made of braid not ordinary wire of the same length. Don't know why. Investigating ...

So that seems to be the reason why Kapanadze needed coaxial cable: to strip and use the braid. Having the same problem currently.

I doubt that TK used the braid off the coax-cable. Looks too intact. He probably used a tubular braid supplied in rolls.

Yes, I suppose it could be an antenna connected to a powerful radio TX.  ;D

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #940 on: January 06, 2015, 09:29:48 PM »
Clarence:

@ ALL,

just  some GOOD news about my B&L replication. I decided awhile back to use the 00 diagram from our site
since it MOST agreed with the patent specs and info and also information from Utopia Now on his Prezi site.
after implementing the 00 diagram in my build I did encounter several problems with the diagram that kept
it from working. after several days of thought and testing I was finally able to get the complete build working!
AND it DOES work JUST like B&L said it would !!!!!

Before I send any photos of it working (I dont and wont have any YOU TUBE videos - not my bag! all I do is photos!)
I have two small issues to tweak on the Ground Grid System. YES I said ground grid SYSTEM! which is the same thing
B&L said and PJK said in his explanation of their device on his site. fortunate for myself I REMEMBERD those words.
I have attached the corrected version of the 00 diagram (BTW many and great THANKS to him- he deserves it for all
of his help and efforts!) as it shows EXACTLY how I constructed that part of the working device.

just brief info of items in the build:

a Tripp Litte P-15 (rectificator) power supply 13.8V
4 ea 7AH 12v F1 batt as a battery bank
an AIMS 1000Wconstant/2000Wsurge inverter ( going to change to 2000W like B&L used)
2 ea 300D Toroid 120V-2A Primary ONLY (winding covers only 160 degrees area of toroid)
2 ea #4 AWG self wound coils on toroid as secondary (joined correctly as CAPTOR loop)
3 ea 1/2 inch copper ground rods
2 ea 50 ft rolls #6AWG ground wire
22 ft #2 AWG (household insulated stranded) for ground wire
50 ft #10 AWG tinned stranded for circuits and batt harness etc.
a few large sheilded terminal strips for circuit connections
4 ea #4 split bolt connectors

I tested so far with a 250 watt - 8.3 amp red heat lamp. plus it operated the rectificator and
the system batt array at a constant 12.4 v plus the Invertor and toroids of the Captor loop.
as long as the batt array was kept in the closed circuit the system DID maintain itself,
however when I switched the battery array out of the system the system did die. so far it is
not a self runner. I believe I know how to cure that, but that will part of my tweaks I will be
making.

cheers to all,
Clarence

By The Way: just click on the jpg shown and you can see a smaller view of the attachment.

I just had to correct the attachment points from the input toriod  to the  output toriod - the
#4 AWG wires cannot cross from one side of the toroid to other side of the next toriod.
sorry for the missdrawing! you can get dizzy just looking!

sorry all!
« Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 12:12:04 AM by Clarence »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #941 on: January 07, 2015, 09:40:12 PM »
Hello Clarence!

I have a few questions if you could please answer:

1: do you mean you are running the setup isolated from the power grid, only on batteries?

2: is your system looped - batteries -> inverter -> 2 toroids and ground system -> power supply -> back to batteries?

3: what kind are those batteries VRLA?

4: for how long did you run the setup?

5: did you measure the voltage at the 250Wred heat lamp?

6: how big are your torroids?

7: could you please make a better scheme as I can't figure out where (and how) the load is connected, and the power supply also...

Sorry for so many questions, I just want to get it right (along with all the others on the forum) hopefully you will have the time to answer.
Can't wait for the pictures!

Wish you good luck and happy experimenting!

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #942 on: January 08, 2015, 03:46:43 AM »
Clarence:

Hello madddann,

I will answer your questions by your numbers:

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. PowerSonic PS1270 12volt 7Amp hour - sealed lead acid, from E-Bay.
4. 1 hr.
5. Input voltage to the system from the inverter was 116.2 but the voltage back
    from the Ground Grid was lower at 90 + volts which is why my system is down right now
    so I can tweak the input wire size to the Ground System to match the return wire size of #6 AWG.
    I had used a #10 wire size on the input which I believe caused a resistive  difference and caused
    the difference in voltage. I intend to do whatever it takes to overcome the difference.
    However it did not really dim the light as far as I could tell nor the heat - was hot as hell and
    could not be touched.
    also the lower voltage did not affect the operation of the rectificator (power supply) as far as I could tell.
6. the toroids were termed 300D by the supplier. OD = 4 1/2", ID = 2 1/2", H = 1 1/2".
7. When I send the photos after tweaking you can see exactly how the system is wired and you
can easily draw your own schematic -  its very plain to see.

As I said before this system has NOTHING to do with a Commercial Utility Grid at all. It is totally
separate unto itself.

cheers,

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #943 on: January 08, 2015, 01:07:41 PM »
Clarence:

Hello @ ALL,

before I can send  photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters  like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #944 on: January 08, 2015, 01:47:19 PM »
Clarence:

Hello @ ALL,

before I can send  photos of my replication I need to KNOW how to send the photos on this site
so that they don't show up as the Giant monsters  like in my previous B&L 00 diagram posting.why is the page so wide on this site also?
thanks.

Clarence


Import your photos into windows paint. Remove any borders and save as a jpeg. Then you can attach these photos and upload them to this site. 
You can also alter the size of the photos in windows paint if necessary.  Try to keep the photos less than 200k.
You can check your new photos in windows photo gallery. If they look OK there then they will be fine on this site.


Good luck.

 

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