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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1437367 times)

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #840 on: July 20, 2014, 07:57:25 PM »
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?
If there is no load, then there is no input and output amperage. It is very clearly visible on my meter.
True, well if it works with static energy, it could be a very normal HV capacitor with very small capacitance.
It drains power from input so unfortunately it is not free energy device :( Or am I wrong?

how can the circuit drain if in the circuit don't have any connection of the electric phase with the ground ?
Review the circuit because something is wrong.
if you put a circuit open you cant draw current ok ?    and in original circuit the primary coil have one leg  disconnect .
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #841 on: July 20, 2014, 08:05:40 PM »
Indeed, circuit is open, one leg is not connected and nothing is connected to phase wire to make circuit.
But if you imagine it is really a capacitor, so you can put there some input power and then you can discharge it...
Each capacitor draws some small current until it is charged.

Well, there could be a problem in our house wiring which is quite old. There is PE and N connected together. So it could be a issue.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #842 on: July 20, 2014, 08:34:25 PM »
Good here I leave the last tests ;) but for now is what I can show.
I hope you all take some conclusions of these tests like me.  :o

  

I'm a little sick  :-[  so not complain to the sniffles ... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaHXLZ6QJss

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #842 on: July 20, 2014, 08:34:25 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #843 on: July 20, 2014, 10:01:15 PM »
Very nice work!

Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?

Thanks

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #844 on: July 20, 2014, 10:10:00 PM »
Very nice work!

Tommorow I will try to change Ground from the grid to real Ground and see the difference.
Have you tried to make this device too? Did you measure any consumption between phase input and brass rod?

Thanks

Hi yes i make a model too, long time ago and works ,  but in my circuit the phase can have any consumption because is open so no current can travel . The phase is only for give de frequence alternations .
Is very easy make a model with parallel units but you need to understand the concept first. see another time in detail the circuit. I another chance of your house have a old ground connection joined with neutral.
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #844 on: July 20, 2014, 10:10:00 PM »
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #845 on: July 20, 2014, 11:15:57 PM »
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #846 on: July 20, 2014, 11:24:17 PM »
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)

It make me very happy see you achieve your purpose :) You have a scope is a bit more easy to confirm some things i don't have scope , i use a radio to listen the variation of frequency.
Now you can go for other type of project . did you understand what i say ;)
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #847 on: July 20, 2014, 11:27:40 PM »
We will see in another tests.
All in all it is quite good for LEDs at least.

If its really free energy, then I am very happy with result :)

or can make one of this to use the circuit with more efficient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmlpV1MWm40

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #848 on: July 20, 2014, 11:44:48 PM »
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.

I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #849 on: July 20, 2014, 11:54:05 PM »
First from all I want to check if it is free energy or not.
If so, I can make much bigger prototypes and try to do other constructions.
Yes, I have scope.
At the moment I am 90% sure it is not free energy.
Brass + shrink tube + copper wire is just normal capacitor except output power is captured from different wire.
It is same as with electrolytic capacitors where there are +, - and 0.
Charge is coming over a capacitor core.
Whats more, there must be some resistance, but very very big.
This capacitor is very weak so it is reason why max output power is very poor.
If I am wrong I will be happy :)
But this theory just confirms my measurements.

I've tried more projects right now but I can't find one with real free energy phenomenon.

Ok if act like a cap so is electrostatic agree ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #850 on: July 20, 2014, 11:59:54 PM »
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.

Well, even it is electrostatic energy and you use it in any way, it has to add current in the source.
If not, it is overunity and you can catch as much electricity as you want without affecting a grid - physics law should be broken then.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #851 on: July 21, 2014, 12:05:19 AM »
Yes, it could be. I can feel with my fingers there is some charge on the coil even it is unplugged for a while.
I swapped ground from the grid to central heating (it is grounded too) and it works too, input consumption is same - currently around 70uA.

ok 70ua on input it seems like a ambience electrostatic interference .You use a analog or digital meter? .did measure the output ?

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #852 on: July 21, 2014, 12:14:12 AM »
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #853 on: July 21, 2014, 12:38:24 AM »
Output consumption is always cca 3uA lower than input, so input is for example 73uA and 70uA output.
It is clearly visible that if I add some load to output consumption on both sides is changing proportionally.
For example I added just LED, then there is 40uA consumption (on both sides nearly equal). Then I throw it away and there is 0.002uA which is 0 + measurement error.
It is digital meter.
man you cant draw current from the grid because you don't transfer by induction .
If you put a lamp connected to phase and nothing in other side you can consume anything now if you connect the lamp in phase and in ground , then you can measure and will consume.
the circuit don't have direct connection to phase or magnetic coupling .
When i have some time i will make a model for compare my results with yours.
try to make reverse engineer of the circuit.
try measure the circuit without the ground and with the ground . the measure you make are in phase cable or in ground cable ? 

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #854 on: July 21, 2014, 12:58:08 AM »
Thank you very much.

I know there is no connection, there is at least 1mm isolation layer.
Still, if I connect some load then circuit is closed if you consider brass with phase and coil (output wire) is together capacitor.
It is closed because load (for example LED) acts as diode and has its resistance.
Then electrons must pass just 1mm thick shrink tube and because there is always EM emmision (or whatever it is) it passes this layer, but of course in very bad shape.
Voltage drops barely but only 1:(big number) of electrons (or whatever it is) passes this barier - so output power can't be good.
With higher voltage transmission should be much better I guess.

Do you know pencil-like indicator can show you where is main grid in the wall without any connection? It detects voltage even for few cm distance, because there is always some emmision.

I am sure that without ground cable there should'nt be any consumption. I have already tried to start it without ground without success, I'll try to measure it too.
Input consumption was measured in the phase cable.

 

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