HELLO Hoppy,

It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET A GRIP!!!!

Clarence

Yes, I am fully aware that you have made it very clear that your system is not in any way connected to the grid. However, I am still interested in the voltage measured between your ground earth array and your grid neutral.

Yes, I am fully aware that you have made it very clear that your system is not in any way connected to the grid. However, I am still interested in the voltage measured between your ground earth array and your grid neutral.

Hello Hoppy,

thats simple. its the same as the rms voltage across the phase/neutral of the captor output.
they balance. at present it only reads 120.4 with just the 30 rods. more rods equal higher voltage.
that why I am bring up my rod total to 60 rods to get it up to the inverter rms of 122.2 and still have
LOADS of potential left to carry loads and not drop voltage any more.
measurements mean the world to    measurementalists   but they do NOT interest me. RESULTS do.

if i were going by measurements I would still be back blowing in the wind instead of where I am.

Clarence

Hello Hoppy,

thats simple. its the same as the rms voltage across the phase/neutral of the captor output.
they balance. at present it only reads 120.4 with just the 30 rods. more rods equal higher voltage.
that why I am bring up my rod total to 60 rods to get it up to the inverter rms of 122.2 and still have
LOADS of potential left to carry loads and not drop voltage any more.
measurements mean the world to    measurementalists   but they do NOT interest me. RESULTS do.

if i were going by measurements I would still be back blowing in the wind instead of where I am.

Clarence

Thanks for your reply.

So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.

Thanks for your reply.

So, you have 120.4V between your earth ground array and your mains grid neutral! That would suggest to me that what you take as a grid neutral connection is in fact live - a phase! Your grid neutral to earth ground voltage measurement should be very low.

Wrong again!

Clarence

HELLO Hoppy,

It is beyond me WHY? people cannot get it through their HEADS that my unit IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY MAINS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GET A GRIP!!!!

Clarence

The Same story's came  measurementalists!
I put some months ago some of my tests about this subject and ear the same things, putting all the problems with measurements,
 people forget that kind of tests need expensive equipment and actually, for the most is only a hobby and some curiosity , so the fact of share their experiences without anything $ involved is to be welcomed.

Actually i thank to Clarence by their experiments with ground , because i live in apartment and is impossible make some this tests , so i thank for the tips about yours tests with ground disposal.
 
Clarence did a good job with their tests and only share to help people that want study this circuit (Barbosa) .
People have only to learn with their experience and evolve with that to make better and better.
Of course some people will achieve some results but much of people will fail ! Because only try to copy ideas from others without lead by own practice observation. This is the most important !
Lot people even know or understand the main concept of the circuit so only by luck or grace of God will achieve something.
Without observation and practical study the people never will go far .
I will give you a tip Clarence , about two things that i observed in my own tests:

About the Ground rods:
If you improve the contact area of ground like a radiator or a large sheet you will see how results will improve.You need a large contact to balance The distributed capacity in circuit, because ground and the connection act like a capacitor plate , think about that !

The other thing is about the dc ac invertor process:

You have a good equipment actually like the dc ac invertor  , but to improve the output result  you need to raise the frequency of the commutation process and that is limited in your dc ac invertor in mosfets and frequency main circuit, because the main frequency circuit have 2 states in commutation of inductor transformer:

 positive pulse and negative pulse but is needed to be only a positive pulse square wave .

You need a "home made special dc ac inverter" in input , that will work in main resonance with their "transformer" generating only a positive pulse that will generate two pulses in main coil  . You can use your 50 or 60hz in final output stage to load your normal "hot" appliances. I know that you see results , with your schema but i assure that this Two points will help improve your results.
 
   Thanks

OK, so what voltage do you have between mains grid neutral and your earth ground array?

There is absolutely nothing that says the inverter is going to be in any particular phase
relative to the utility line. In fact it's probably all over the place. The inverter has responsibility
for setting it's own frequency clock. If you want to know the difference of voltage it should be
rectified and compared as DC or measured by an ac meter or scope and peek values subtracted.
That the average value would be different then ground = 0v would be somewhat anomalous.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi, Clarence


Could you do the following measurements please, with everything unplugged?


1 voltages between some adjacent ground rods.
2 Voltages between ground rods furthest away if in series.


These figures would be most helpful.


Thanks

I am trying to eliminate the last possible conventional explanation.
As you stated before, many farmers use electrified fences in your area.
Also the known system of Single Wire Earth Return (SWER) is common in rural areas.


It is a little known fact, but the earth is an excellent conductor. I have for instance re-routed a spark gap through
2 earth rods, and it worked just fine. I have also used very low power ie an ne2 bulb powered by a capacitor and routed it
through 2 earth rods. There is usually a little resistance to current flow at first then (I assume) the earth forms an ionic pathway.


So BOTTOM LINE:


It may work in your area, but it may not work in other countries or in urban areas.
That's what I am trying to figure out.


By measuring voltage between earth rods with your system switched off, you should have no electrical flow to speak of - maybe half a volt or so.