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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1581000 times)

Offline a.king21

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1050 on: March 24, 2015, 10:03:38 PM »
In the UK, if you pump the ground with  hot electricity and attempt to complete the circuit through   the ground, the circuit breakers will trip. If you bypass the circuit breakers with your own system you will power your device.
However the electric meter is smart enough to see the current drain.
In my experiments I powered a 2 kw kettle through the ground loop but it appeared to be drawing only half the power. It also took twice as long to boil the water.
I did not bother to go any further as the only way to really test the Barbosa Leal idea is to use batteries and an inverter.
When I tried that, I failed to gain any extra energy.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1051 on: March 26, 2015, 08:56:30 PM »
Clarence's Set-up definitely gets the Good Houekeeping Seal of approval for being a medium power stable OU loop design.
We will withhold judgment on where the power really comes from in detail, but in many ways the OU gain reactor
could be any device. This loop circuit is something that is seldom seen, but should be everyone's goal and that should
be appreciated. His battery charger can handle up to 256VAC so this should handle most spikes and will probably fold-back
if it can't

I recommend that during some early La. thunderstroms that he watch the captor output voltages carefully, as they can really stir things
up.  A small radio receiver is available that can detect local lightning storms and could be used to take circuits offline, if need be.

:S:MarkSCoffman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1052 on: March 26, 2015, 10:39:44 PM »
Clarence's Set-up definitely gets the Good Houekeeping Seal of approval for being a medium power stable OU loop design.
We will withhold judgment on where the power really comes from in detail, but in many ways the OU gain reactor
could be any device. This loop circuit is something that is seldom seen, but should be everyone's goal and that should
be appreciated. His battery charger can handle up to 256VAC so this should handle most spikes and will probably fold-back
if it can't

I recommend that during some early La. thunderstroms that he watch the captor output voltages carefully, as they can really stir things
up.  A small radio receiver is available that can detect local lightning storms and could be used to take circuits offline, if need be.

:S:MarkSCoffman


Hello :s:MarkSCoffman & ALL,

Clarence:

thanks for your gracious support Sir. I have really enjoyed being a member of this forum and this thread. your protective thoughts and also those
of member Farmhand awhile back are not lost. I have incorporated into my circuitry a known
commercial available Lightning Arrestor-surge device known as SDSA1175  series 002  surge protective device  120/240 V , 3-WIRE  by SQUARE D .

At present I am in the process of installing 30 more ground rods to achieve the needed continous voltage being received from the Ground in the
amount of 120v -123.1v to balance the phase voltage of the same amount the larger Aims inverter puts out. this amount of CONTINOUS voltage
out put is necessary to be able to handle many loads at the same time by the OUT PUT of the Captor circuit.

the last ten ground rods I just put in raised the output level of the RETURN Ground Grid system by a total of 11.1 volts giving a present total useage of
111.1 volts. enough to lite the heat lamp and power the charger enough to keep the battery at a steady voltage of  12.2 v DC. all of this (even at this lower voltage)
POWER is  being SUPPLIED BY THE CAPTOR OUTPUT!  If you can comprehend what I am trying to say it is this: this unit IS an OU unit and it IS self powering ITSELF!

I am going with the 30 more rods ( for a total 0f 60 rods ) to finally get out of the game of having to play catch up to have ALL the potential necessary to run
several large loads at the same time.
presently I have run an extension cord and powered my microwave (small cup of water heated), my high power blender machine ( at 500 watts), and just briefly my refrig.

I had by being a dumb ass WAY to small leads from the charger to the batt and they would get warm! too much resistivity!  so I ordered and received the proper
LARGE ring connectors and soldered them with the #4 AWG size wire leads and changed out the small leads!  now the charger JUMPS into action when
the Captor powers it.  ( that is REALLY a NICE unit! )

I will be back in about a week with more news after I finish the new rods!

I am getting down to the end of this build and when I do then maybe some of you can replicate it! all the relevant info is in the -  say last 5 pages.
thanks and cheers for now!

Clarence

Offline turbogt16v

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1053 on: March 27, 2015, 08:12:42 AM »
Congratulation is in order
I truly believe that you manage to get OU.

It would be great if someone would make some nice scheme with specs,for others to replicate easy.

btw,kapanadze used salted water to moist the ground near the rods

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1054 on: March 27, 2015, 04:36:45 PM »
Awesome work Clarence!    I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road.   It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables.    :)

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1055 on: March 27, 2015, 05:37:03 PM »
Awesome work Clarence!    I'm not sure what sort of amps your charger is putting out but if you want to really maximize what gets to the battery you might want to pick up some 4/0 or 2/0 welding cable sometime down the road.   It might be overkill but you won't loose anything on cables.    :)

Clarence:

Hello e2matrix, & ALL,

appreciate your thoughts Sir. in about a week when I post my final info for my build I will include a final schematic which will match to the final photo for everyone's ease
of building their own unit.
also I will give an exact list of all the components I used and the source I obtained them from. that way all who are in ernest about building their own unit can do so with ease
and reap the rewards of their efforts. after this last posting I will be out and down from posting! it has been a GREAT ride! I appreciate the forums thread with its ability to share with ALL the interested members
along the way. now that spring is here I have TONS of work to catch up on the farm. I will still receive my regular notification when some one makes a new post so I will always monitor those Items
and if someone has a question I will answer gladly.

BTW: the charger has an out put ability of 20 amps. and they have the same type unit with larger amp outputs also!

Later! Cheers!

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1056 on: March 28, 2015, 04:03:43 AM »
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir! 
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.

aaron5120

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1057 on: March 28, 2015, 06:58:20 AM »
Hi Clarence,
I have been following your research and progress in this project since weeks ago, and I am glad you have archieved finally success with the modified B&L circuit. Congratulations to you, Sir! 
In my effort of initiating the replication of your build, I came up with a question, and after reviewing the last 5 pages of posts I could not find the corresponding answer, so I will place it here. Please help me as I am very interested in installing the system to power some appliances at my home, and thus reducing my electricity bill statement!
I have found toroidal cores for Audio Amplifiers in the market, are they suitable for this circuit? Or is it necessary to have toroidal transformer cores for this purpose? If I scale up the watts outputs of the circuit, say to 5KW, do I need bigger toroidal cores, and more windings?
Thanks in advance for your help, Clarence, and we appreciate very much your interest in publishing the information you have gotten so far.

aaron5120

Clarence:

Ill be blunt . you did not find it because as I said I would not post ALL of the final info until next week!
However you have requested and I will answer.
you will need EXACTLY what you see in my last photo. go any other route and you will just shoot yourself in the foot!
I am attaching the photos of the toroids (SPECIAL ORDERED BY ME IN THE PAST) they will handle it ALL!
When you speak to the people at BridgePort Magnetics, INC ask to speak with  MICHAEL KHARAZ . give him the toroid description in the attachment
as it is shown. he will have this information on file from my past orders. you WILL need TWO of them!!!
I have attached the photos of the tool you will need to PREWIND the secondary coil.
after you have prewound the coils then slide roll them thru the center and around the toroid. PAY ATTENTION to the PHOTO attachment of the
completed secondary wound toroid! if it is not EXACT like the photo shows you shot your self in the foot again! both toroid HAVE to be identical!!!!
then when you SPIN ONE of them to face the other they will line up correctly!!! the two top wires will connect to each other by a split bolt connector
of #4AWG size.  the two bottom wires will connect to each other with a #4AWG split bolt connector of #4AWG zize. you should be able to get COPPER
split bolt connectors at your local hardware store. Co to PACERGROUP.com site in Florida   and click on the battery cable by the Ft catagory. Get 7-8 ft
of the BLACK #4AWG tinned battery cable wire. it takes 3 1/2 ft to prewind each secondary coil.

I have attached a photo of what the toroids will look like when you receive them from Bridgeport Magnetics ready for YOU to wind the secondary on each one!
I have attached a picture of how to make the wood tool for prewinding . I used scrap 2 x 4 wood.

this size unit will handle whatever your needs are I believe. however you and others will find that there is some DEFINITE work to achieving the final end results!!!
however the completion of the two looped toroids IS a MAJOR step. all it takes to power these toroids at idle is about 0.06 amps at about 7.4 watts and that doesn't deviate very much
whenever the unit is operating loaded or unloaded.
The amperage on the #4 AWG loop is about 1.3 amps on mine at idle and then climbs slowly as new loads are added. the rise should get to about 60 amps  only after MAJOR loads at the same time have been added.and 60 amps is not hard on A #4AWG wire in my opinion. if you want to go to #2AWG just do it . its not a major event at all. the procedure is the SAME!

IMPORTANT UPDATE: aaron5120 no one to date has grasped the fact that this unit with just the toroids in looped secondary coil  format and the full SIXTY ground rod installation (4 rods input  -  56 rods return ) can simply be powered LEGALLY by plugging the toroids and the phase / neutral as shown in a  previous schematic into any mains outlet receptacle and get the SAME type of results B&L
demonstrated in their first you tube video ( which has now been taken down ). THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!!!  and I have recently done the same thing MYSELF!!! you CANNOT DO IT WITHOUT  THE GROUND RODS IN PLACE FIRST!!! I verified my results with my KILL-A-WATT meters I always use in my circuits.  the results were stunning to say the least. you get about 80% useage power through
the GROUND system to whatever load you place but ONLY USE ABOUT 20% power consumption through the mains  system you use!!! so until you can get enough funds to obtain the battery and charger and the inverter you can just use the mains method and reduce your mains bill by about 80% as soon as you build. however do NOT bragg about it to your utility Company because you will be reducing their revenue from you by 80% and they sure won't like it ! in the mean time you can complete your build and finally get free.

example - I powered my unit (without charger, Battery,inverter attached at all) and plugged my microwave unit into my build output to load .........KWM meter read 15.5 amps at 1604 watts and the mains KWM SHOWED 2.2 amps at 268 watts.  about an 80/20 relationship.
 Cheers!

enough for now!
Later!

Clarence
« Last Edit: March 28, 2015, 05:25:48 PM by Clarence »

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1058 on: March 28, 2015, 06:01:25 PM »
To try to save Clarence some typing and drawing, I am including some info on the main components
that I believe Clarence is using in his current setup (although this could change), and I am also including
a schematic drawing.
Any errors in the following info and drawing are my own.
@Clarence, when you get some time, can you let me know if there are any errors in this info and drawing?

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Toroids:
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Bridgeport Magnetics
Website:
http://www.tortran.com/standard_isolation_transformers.html
Contact:
Michael Kharaz
E-mail:    sales@bridgeportmagnetics.com
http://www.tortran.com/contact.html
Custom ordered toroid (2 required):
TD300-1120-P, 300VA, 60Hz, Primary 120V, 160 degrees winding on toroid surface, no secondary winding - $125 USD each
==========================

==========================
Smart Battery Charger:
==========================
Xantrex TrueCharge2 Battery Charger - 20Amp model
Website:
http://www.xantrex.com/power-products/battery-chargers/truecharge-2-2.aspx
Xantrex Dealers list:
http://www.xantrex.com/contacts/where-to-buy.aspx

Available from Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Xantrex-804-1220-02-TRUECharge2-Parallel-Stackable/dp/B001G7CZRM
Looks like the price is around $260 to $300 USD - depending where you order from.

Minimum recommended battery bank size for use with the 20Amp Charger model: 40 Ah
==========================

===========================
12V Pure Sinewave Power Inverter
===========================
AIMS POWER 3000 Watt 12VDC Pure Sine Wave Power Inverter -  Model: PWRIG300012120S
Website:
http://www.aimscorp.net/3000-Watt-Pure-Sine-Inverter.html

Available from:

InvertersRUs - $699 USD
http://www.invertersrus.com/aims-pwrig300012120s.html

Amazon - $799 USD
http://www.amazon.com/AIMS-Power-PWRIG300012120S-3000W-Inverter/dp/B00IQHT8UM/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1427550722&sr=8-2&keywords=Aims+3000W+pure+sine+wave+inverter
==========================

Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1059 on: March 28, 2015, 07:35:41 PM »
Hello Void,

How do I get hold of you to send a schematic correction to you?

Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1060 on: March 28, 2015, 07:53:24 PM »
Hi Clarence, I sent you a PM.  All the best...

Offline aaron5120

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1061 on: March 29, 2015, 05:35:21 AM »
Hi Clarence,
Many thanks for your detailed reply, and I apologise for interrupting your farm job! Now we have enough info for advancing the replication of your build.
Regarding your suggestion of being low profile to the utility company and being progressive in substituing the mains power supply step by step, I will do it like you said, since I do not want any legal problem with the local power company either.
Thanks again for giving us this precious information from your experimentation. God speed, and we look forward to having more ideas to be shared here in the future from everybody.

aaron5120

Offline memoryman

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1062 on: March 29, 2015, 05:46:05 AM »
Have you looked at the phase relationship between voltage and current with a 'scope? I suspect that you are creating a massive phase difference, which appears as a power gain; the power companies will not like a load like that and the rods have little or nothing to do with it all.

Offline Clarence

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1063 on: March 29, 2015, 06:18:02 AM »
Have you looked at the phase relationship between voltage and current with a 'scope? I suspect that you are creating a massive phase difference, which appears as a power gain; the power companies will not like a load like that and the rods have little or nothing to do with it all.
@ memoryman:

its WAY past "scope " time !  and your statement about the rods is NOT true or accurate either!
go back to page 40 and reread the PESN evaluation  which is a RECOGNIZED international organization (not private ).

Their evaluation was POSITIVE in ALL areas!
I'm sure that their evaluation equipment included a lot more than just a SCOPE and was of a higher quality than all
the members on this thread combined!

NUFF.

Clarence

Offline Void

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1064 on: March 29, 2015, 07:09:30 AM »
Hi all. Ok, I discussed with Clarence, and the attached schematic should match
Clarence's current circuit wiring setup. If you have any questions on the schematic, you
can direct them to Clarence and he should be able to help you out, if he is not too busy.

This new revised schematic shows the inverter's AC output divided into two sets of wires from two plugs,
(or you can also use terminal strips), but I believe Clarence's inverter is only producing one phase, so it is
still just one phase out of the inverter, but just divided into two sets of wires to match the way Clarence has it wired.
You can see Clarence's hand drawn schematic posted recently to see how he wired into terminal
strips on his actual test board, and other specific details to his build.

Maybe when Clarence gets his ground rod grid finalized, Clarence can post a drawing to show
exactly how he has laid out all the ground rods and connected them together.
 
All the best...