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Author Topic: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal  (Read 1745827 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1515 on: April 13, 2015, 07:51:20 PM »
What a pleasant surprise it would be to find that a certain ground "array"
under "certain" conditions could harvest energy in this way.

I don't even see the fat lady around here yet......

Time will tell.

Let's suppose that 10 people replicate and spend $2000 each.  Let's suppose we say that the labour that they put into digging up their backyards and building the setup is worth $2000 each.

That's $40,000 USD poured down the drain for bullshit, very possibly just to stroke somebody's ego.

How many DSOs can you buy for $40,000 assuming $500 total cost for each one?

Answer:  You can buy 80 digital storage oscilloscopes.   That's about one brand new DSO for every single known and active experimenter across all three main forums.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1516 on: April 13, 2015, 09:08:59 PM »
Leaving aside for the moment the issue of SWER systems like are used in Brazil... (Which, by the way,a.king21 brought up a long time ago, on Page 20 of this thread ...)
http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/msg381197/#msg381197

Here's the answer to MH's question. The Magic Non-connection that is the heart of the "Captor": a few loops of insulated wire looped around another insulated wire, and connected back to itself without actually making actual connections between the two insulated wires.

I would love to see some experimental examinations of such a system, showing some kind of measurable effects of such a "connection" or rather non-connection. Particularly showing transfers of high power through the non-connection, using DC from the "ground" applied to the loop. Anyone?

@MH: You forgot to put the "dots" in on this Magic NonConnection Captor Coil !!




MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1517 on: April 13, 2015, 09:44:10 PM »
Indeed TK, here is my spin on it, I marked up the main schematic with some annotations.

A lot of you experimenters out there that are supporters of this proposition need to learn basic circuit analysis.  Stop pretending that electronic circuits act "differently" just because somebody told you so.  They don't.

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1518 on: April 13, 2015, 10:03:50 PM »
Here is some more information using the CAD version of the schematic.

Time for you guys to wake up.

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1519 on: April 13, 2015, 10:14:44 PM »
Choice quotes from Clarence:

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the last time during rain time I ran it for over 4 + hours and it went from 13+ to 12 so i removed the loads and let it charge.
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I did not under stand your question about earth resistance (between the two sets of ground rods) with regard to my arrangement? I have not made any resistance test at all to date.
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Wake up boys and save your time and your money for a better project!

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1520 on: April 13, 2015, 10:18:28 PM »
Since you asked..

Yes, I can explain how the captor transformer works in a few words.

"It is a saturable magnetic power regulator designed to tap into the utility power company
environmental ground return power circuits using a limited but independent ground rod array
design specially by Clarence."

(o)  Once working, for power companies return current, it can seamlessly work for supposed
        Telluric currents.     
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    We need the ability to discuss problems ahead of time (because we are smart), make a
document, and have one person perform a test as to what the group wants to see, and to distribute
the back the desired test results. This is the path to group learning and understanding of function
by principles. Simple construction techniques of post application of more "good ideas" doesn't work. 
 
..S..MarkSCoffman

Look at my analysis, it's nothing more than a useless resistor.  You have to start dealing with electronics from a basis anchored in reality, not fantasy.

ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1521 on: April 13, 2015, 11:32:47 PM »
Well
I just spoke with Clarence again ,and he reiterated the unit reaches a point where it will self run the batteries and then adding more of an array brings in more energy.
I'm away helping Grammy  ATM [Motherinlaw] and will be stopping at the Core Vendor on the way home to get all the info and specs they have.

Mr. Coffman will you be replicating ?? or gathering a group so as to diminish personal investment and maximize minimal
public resources for this project ??
we can pick a builder and ship equipment to minimize expense??

Chet K


MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1522 on: April 13, 2015, 11:44:24 PM »
Well
I just spoke with Clarence again ,and he reiterated the unit reaches a point where it will self run the batteries and then adding more of an array brings in more energy.

Chet K

Well, I have 38 years worth of playing with, dabbling in, breadboarding, designing, debugging, selling, and manufacturing electronics and I am telling you that that statement from Clarence is not true.

ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1523 on: April 14, 2015, 12:05:50 AM »
Soooo
No shovel time at all ??

Even some light "worming experience"

no ??

NEXT !!


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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1524 on: April 14, 2015, 12:12:23 AM »
Just to comment on the latest posting in the EF thread from the user "totoalas":

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Clarence and Level,
 thanks for the swift replies and flow of info..... at least we know its working....
 we dont need an ou ... what we need  is how to lessen our burden of electric bills to food in the table ..... thats what matter in my country where power rates is the no 1 highest in Asia for a 3rd world country with some oil and gas and hydro / geothermal plants.......
[Translation:  Okay, I understand that the setup is not over unity, it's under unity.]
 
 Battery voltage drop can be topped off with solar/ sg and ssg  / cap dump by Mickey's beasty sssg   lots of possibilities   rain or shine .....
 now back to the drawing board..... theres a lot of DIYers out there  that can join in
[Translation:  I will plug my battery charger into the mains, then charge up my SSG main battery.  Then I will use the SSG to charge up the B&L system battery where the charging efficiency is only about 30% for a huge net loss in energy.  Or, I can spend a lot of money on a huge solar array to charge up the B&L system battery and then run that hugely inefficient system.  No matter how I do it, I am losing lots of energy and/or money.]
 
 I remember in my test the 10 mm cable in the captor went to 90 deg C in an instant    and also the Barbosa first video showed a 90 to 120  mm captor cable
 but in your case ur case  how is the heat in the captor ??? ??
[Translation:  This is confirmation that the captor is noting more than a glorified heater that wastes energy just like MileHigh stated on OU.]

ramset

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1525 on: April 14, 2015, 12:18:46 AM »
Translation Translation

others have seen an un tuned Captor and its heating issues ...

who's word is that "captor" where did it come from ??
the Brazilian's ?

MileHigh

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1526 on: April 14, 2015, 12:23:31 AM »
Soooo
No shovel time at all ??

Even some light "worming experience"

no ??

NEXT !!

And I am a graduate electrical engineer and I worked for about five years as an electrical engineer, then I went into engineering sales.  Something I don't say very often because crazy people might want to harm me.

This thing is nonsense, don't waste your time and money no matter what Clarence says.

You guys on the Energetic Forum:  Ask Clarence for hard data, pictures, and video clips.  Get him to put a Kill-a-Watt meter on the captor like I show in the diagram.  Then let's assume one of you talks privately with him and lives close enough to him for a weekend visit.  Run the thing all weekend non-stop.  Find out what battery he is using.  Determine the amount of energy in the battery.  Pick a load that will drain the battery in eight hours, and observe what happens over the course of your weekend 48-hour continuous test.  Take a sleeping bag and sleep next to the device while it runs.

Chances are Clarence would never agree to this, it would expose his fraud.

Save your time and money for your family or for a better project.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1527 on: April 14, 2015, 12:45:17 AM »

Mile High,

Signal voltage levels are microvolts per meter required to drive the system. But electron currents are the *real deal*
all the electrons flowing for all voltage levels to transmit all power used in the "US" or whatever. This is a heavy duty
thing. You just need a way to bias the electron flow to flow around the toroids and then you step the current down
and the abject voltage up and you've captured it. By the way the captor multiplies real good at a DC current level
as well.

.S.MarkSCoffman


Everyone should review the radio engineering concept of the "mixer" a mixer is a multiplier, but changes the actual
numbers on the voltage and current in such a way as it multiplies physical power. One form of a mixer is a non-linear
magnetic amplifier which we are using. There is also a radio frequency form of mixer which is probably what Karpenzy is using. 

So the captor transformer *is a mixer*. The carrier or IF intermediate frequency is the inverter which is physically multiplied
by the power waveform of the other signal.   I think that makes sufficient sense to stop right there.

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The only other thing is the availability of the ground array to intercept the required power.

I have come up with a good analogy - the Tsunami.   The Tsunami is only about one meter deep in the open ocean
and the fish there don't even feel it. This is equivalent to large numbers of mobile electrons, but the low impedance
between ground points keeps shorting the voltage out. The ground array is as if the ocean bottom is rising right
before landfall and the Tsunami is busy converting itself to high energy "scrubbing bubbles". Most likely the array
functions becomes the difference of the conductivity of copper rods in the array vs the conductivity of the ground
to generate additional voltage rise.

I'm sure the math for this would be covered on some book on utility electronics. 
 
To me this should be enough to justify moving to the next set of targets.

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By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked except it probably had a dynamic range
of 100KW!  I suspect it was *haywired* then *potted* to prevent people from easily analyzing its function.

.S.MarkSCoffman



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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1528 on: April 14, 2015, 01:25:39 AM »

Everyone should review the radio engineering concept of the "mixer" a mixer is a multiplier, but changes the actual
numbers on the voltage and current in such a way as it multiplies physical power. One form of a mixer is a non-linear
magnetic amplifier which we are using. There is also a radio frequency form of mixer which is probably what Karpenzy is using. 

So the captor transformer *is a mixer*. The carrier or IF intermediate frequency is the inverter which is physically multiplied
by the power waveform of the other signal.   I think that makes sufficient sense to stop right there.

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The only other thing is the availability of the ground array to intercept the required power.

I have come up with a good analogy - the Tsunami.   The Tsunami is only about one meter deep in the open ocean
and the fish there don't even feel it. This is equivalent to large numbers of mobile electrons, but the low impedance
between ground points keeps shorting the voltage out. The ground array is as if the ocean bottom is rising right
before landfall and the Tsunami is busy converting itself to high energy "scrubbing bubbles". Most likely the array
functions becomes the difference of the conductivity of copper rods in the array vs the conductivity of the ground
to generate additional voltage rise.

I'm sure the math for this would be covered on some book on utility electronics. 
 
To me this should be enough to justify moving to the next set of targets.

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By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked except it probably had a dynamic range
of 100KW!  I suspect it was *haywired* then *potted* to prevent people from easily analyzing its function.

.S.MarkSCoffman

Then please go ahead and sketch out the various voltage, current, and power waveforms for the input and output for the captor device.  Explain the waveforms and how everything works.  Explain the math.  Explain how it integrates into the full system.

Amplifiers require a power source to work, they don't just magically "amplify."

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By the way this is the same method that Brazilian captor worked

Please cite multiple credible references that show that the Brazilian captor worked.

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Re: Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal
« Reply #1529 on: April 14, 2015, 02:10:28 AM »
Man you are a curious person... What is your idea with this speech so corrosive? The hunt is over do not you understand?
People asked not only for testing, but criticized a less correctly, this is what i see in this topic .
Your speech shows well what your intentions.
Note that these not contribute to appease this topic, only to flare were more nap know?

You need attention? Work for it! but not with these derogatory remarks. Maybe you need to feel involved in some kind of project like
LED flip flop circuit or something this genre. You will able to make lots of measures .... in your home and show to your friends that like this kind of game !
Flip flop flip flop

So, someone is faking a fake device and now many folks are going to waste over $2,000 each to attempt to replicate and you think that is OK but you have a problem with my post?

To me, that is derogatory, and so is your post if you just sit by and watch this happen.

Perhaps you don't have the background to know any better?  Fine, that is understandable.  But, I do know better.

This is fake and does not/can not work.

It is as simple as that.  If you do not like my saying that, I suggest that you do not read my posts.

Good day,

Bill